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phenolred
04-19-2007, 09:18 AM
This case has always haunted me because the victims were found really close to my home...

They have never caught the persons responsible

Burger Chef Murders of 1978
.http://www.noveljustice.com/clipart/images/frames/chromeTabletBlue.jpg.Friday, November 17, 1978
Sometime after 11:00pm when the Burger Chef at 5725 N. Crawfordsville Road closes, four employees are
robbed of less than $600. The robbers may have entered through a back door as one of the workers took out
the trash. Some or all of the four may have then been forced into assistant manager Jayne Friedt’s white 1974
Chevrolet Vega. Her purse and that of cashier Ruth Ellen Shelton are left behind at the restaurant.
Shortly after midnight, an off-duty employee comes by the Burger Chef and sees the back door ajar, the cash
registers open and the restaurant vacant. Both female employees as well as two cooks, Daniel Davis and Mark
Flemmonds are gone. Speedway Police are dispatched. Officers find the store manager’s office in disarray, two
empty currency bags are missing but rolls of change are left behind. An empty roll of adhesive tape is found
nearby, as well as Shelton’s jacket.
.After sunrise, police find Jayne Friedt’s car abandoned in the 5500 block of West 15th Street, a block and a
half from the Speedway Police Department. The driver’s side door is locked, but the passenger door isn’t.
The keys are missing. A police chaplain is sent to the home of Friedt’s parents.

A miscommunication leads employees to clean the Burger Chef restaurant for re-opening, potentially
removing critical evidence at the robbery scene. Management decides to keep the store temporarily closed
after all.

As word of the apparent kidnapping spreads, a 16-year-old Westside boy calls police to say that he saw two
suspicious men in a car outside the Burger Chef just before closing on Friday night. Both were white and in
their 30’s. One man had a beard and the other was clean-shaven with light colored hair. The bearded man
told the teenager and his girlfriend to leave the area because there’d been “lots of vandalism going on.”
While he talked, the bearded man held a handkerchief to his mouth and kept his head low in the car.

Sunday, November 19, 1978
.]Two Johnson County residents walking through their wooded property on Stones Crossing Road just east of
State Road 37 find the bodies of the four employees. Daniel Davis and Ruth Ellen Shelton had been shot
multiple times execution-style. Jayne Friedt had been stabbed twice in the chest. The handle of the knife
had broken off and was missing; the blade was recovered at autopsy. Mark Flemmonds had suffered a blunt
force head injury, possibly from running into a tree while trying to escape. It is later determined that he had
been beaten prior to his death.
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MidnightMyst
04-19-2007, 04:05 PM
I vaguely remember that. I was 13 years old in 1978. Used to live in Indianapolis until about 3rd grade, then moved 20 miles south to Franklin, IN. Now I'm even further south in Kentucky.

docwho3
04-20-2007, 03:04 AM
I remember a bit about the case because I was researching another case where someone disappeared while taking out the trash and this led to my researching crimes that occurred while taking out the trash. I wanted to see if this was a common thing and also to learn if there were any trends such as similar crimes happening alot in one area.

I learned that it is not rare to have employees attacked or a store robbed when an employee takes out the trash. Infact robbers seem to know you have to go take out the trash eventually and they seem to wait for it, much like a predatory animal waits for prey by the watering hole.

ihadcabinfever
04-20-2007, 03:16 AM
I think these predators watch people working and know what shift they have.
I believe this is a pattern for a few girls missing from Pa. Some of the girls went out to make a phone call , others left the store they worked at on break. I don't think these relate to robberies. I think it's just opportunity.

my girls 1716
05-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Yes, I remember the Burger Chef murders I was just thirteen years old at the time. The thing about it is I was at work talking to my coworkers,employer and asked if they remembered the murders. One of them did remember, we thought that the police and other officals had solve the crimes I was shocked to go on the web and find out that the case had not been solved.

Cilene
05-12-2009, 04:16 PM
November 3, 2003

There are new developments in an unsolved murder mystery.

The 1978 kidnappings and murders of four Burger Chef employees form a cold case that is nearly 25 years old.

I-Team 8 has learned that state police plan to take a new, fresh look at this murder mystery. Investigators who've worked the case before will meet with today's detectives to compare notes. They're anticipating new interest because the 25th anniversary of the Burger Chef murders is now just two weeks away.

One of the Indiana's most notorious unsolved murder cases will get a fresh look from investigators.

“We are reevaluating where the investigation has gone over the past 25 years. We are going to develop a new strategy which will be a combination of old fashioned detective work and 21st century technology,” said Detective Bill Vann, Indiana State Police.

In November 1978, four employees were abducted from the Speedway Burger Chef at closing time. They'd been robbed of less than $600. They were missing for a day and a half.

One of them was Northwest High School junior Ruth Ellen Shelton. “If Ruth Ellen could get loose at all, she'll call home, and she would have. But it didn't happen,” said Rachel Shelton, Ruth Ellen’s mother.

The bodies of the four were found in a wooded section of Johnson County. Shelton’s coworker Mark Flemmonds had been beaten. Jayne Friedt had been stabbed. Both Daniel Davis and Ruth Ellen Shelton were shot to death. Jayne Friedt's abandoned car was found not far from the Burger Chef. It yielded no clues. Police could find neither motive nor murder weapons. Months went by, with promising leads turning to empty promises.

“You learned not to get your hopes built up in it. Kind of like the first telephone call after she was missing. We were both in the living room and we ran to the phone. Later we learned to walk,” said Rachel Shelton.

“I've said many times, down through the years, unless someone confesses, or some policeman proves differently, I'll go to my grave still believing that they killed those kids,” said Detective Ken York.

York was a state police detective on the case from the start. After witnesses helped create composite drawings and clay busts of two men seen at the restaurant just before closing, a tip from an informant led York to a group of men who'd been robbing fast food restaurants. Facing unrelated robbery and firearms charges, the two most likely Burger Chef suspects were offered a deal.

“Total immunity if they would tell what they knew about the Burger Chef case and take a polygraph to back that up, if either one of them could say that neither one of them inflicted a killing injury on one of the victims. Both of them went to prison rather than take a polygraph test or talk about it,” said York.

There were anonymous tips and false confessions before the case came to a dead end.

Today, that wooded area is now this subdivision. Over the years there was simply not enough evidence in this case to convict anyone. Tips still do trickle in, but few have any substance.

“Part of me must still want to see it solved, but part of me doesn't want to see it. I don't want to go through it again,” said Shelton.

Ever since the day her child and three others were buried, Rachel Shelton found comfort in one place. “’As the Book of Job suggests: the righteous do not always triumph in this life, and the wicked do not always fail,’” she said, quoting the Bible.

Ken York doubts that families could find comfort without a conviction. “If that were my child I think it would bother me more that there's such strong indications, but not to a level of trial or conviction. That these guys have walked free and clear for 25 years while my kids lie in the grave. It'd be no comfort to me,” he said.

“The Indiana State Police has not forgotten their loved ones and we will do everything, we will follow up on every lead possible until those responsible for the murders of these four young people are brought to justice,” said Vann.

I-Team 8 will continue to stay on this story and bring you developments as they come in.

If you have information about this case, contact Sgt. Bill Vann at bvann@isp.state.in.us

Indianagirl
05-12-2009, 04:39 PM
These murders happened before I was born, but I remember seeing some local news coverage on it a few years ago. I would love to see this case solved.

gaia227
05-12-2009, 04:44 PM
I was actually reading about these murders a couple months ago.

debbyjo812
05-13-2009, 08:10 PM
I'm collecting whatever information that I can find on this. I live only minutes from where the victim's bodies were found and have taken a recent interest in the Burger Chef Murders. I do know that law enforcement has not given up on this one. Donald Forrester who confessed to the murders (most likely a false confession) is now deceased, so obviously law enforcement didn't take his confession seriously or believe that he didn't act alone.

kline
05-14-2009, 01:59 PM
I'm collecting whatever information that I can find on this. I live only minutes from where the victim's bodies were found and have taken a recent interest in the Burger Chef Murders. I do know that law enforcement has not given up on this one. Donald Forrester who confessed to the murders (most likely a false confession) is now deceased, so obviously law enforcement didn't take his confession seriously or believe that he didn't act alone.
I remember hearing about it on the news,I was in High School.Viscous crime.
It would be wonderful to see this resolved.

OilPainter
05-21-2009, 09:08 AM
I remember hearing about the Burger Chef murders and am so glad it's not forgotten. Maybe someday there will be some sort of closure (whatever that means) for the remaining family members. They'll never forget but I hope there's some sort of peace for them.

There was another restaurant murderer maybe ten years later in the Castleton area of Indianapolis. I can't remember the specifics but if my memory serves correctly there were similarities between the two. I'm also pretty sure that they caught the murderer(s) of that one and the restaurant was shut down immediately after.

Whoever coined the phrase 'senseless act of violence' knew what they were talking about.

Cincinnati Kid
11-02-2009, 06:09 PM
I remember seeing a poster about this in a Burger Chef in this area after it took place. Apparently whoever did this must have really paniced. Normally those who rob a business at closing time are just looking for money and not involving themselves in kidnapping and murder. As multiple employees were taken from the premises, you would think it was the work of more than one person. Too bad the young person who saw the two males parked in the lot close to closing time didn't get their license plate number.

Sleuthster
11-02-2009, 07:44 PM
Interesting case. IMO though, the only way they will solve this after so many years is a)they have dna or other material evidence (which I have seen no mention of)
b) Someone comes forward.

B seems more logical. I have found in many cases that these perps, especially where robbery was the prime motive, brag to at least 1 person in their life. It's a fact. These pos like to boast, it increases their ego that they have gotten away with something at least once. It makes them feel above the law, invinceble.

So my guess is that someone out there knows something and with renewed interest in the media with this case maybe they will come forward.

Cincinnati Kid
11-02-2009, 09:46 PM
Unfortunately, over 30 years has gone by since this took place. You would think that if someone was going to come forward, it would have happened. This time frame also effects memories of the events of that night as well as information such as vehicle registration, etc.

annie1958
11-22-2009, 03:19 PM
I have known the family for years, jayne was in my wedding, they (state police)know who did this but unfortunately so many departments were on the scene and the evidence was contaminated at the Burger Chef and where there found jayne, it is hard to bring charges. A Indiana state police detective admitted this to me and the family years ago. i have faith they will be able to solve this case officially eventually.

believe09
11-22-2009, 04:48 PM
I have known the family for years, jayne was in my wedding, they (state police)know who did this but unfortunately so many departments were on the scene and the evidence was contaminated at the Burger Chef and where there found jayne, it is hard to bring charges. A Indiana state police detective admitted this to me and the family years ago. i have faith they will be able to solve this case officially eventually.

Welcome Annie and I am so sorry for the loss of those you knew to such a violent crime. I wonder if the state police know the whereabouts at least of those who perpetrated the crime-were they locals and are they still there? Are they sitting in a federal pen for other crimes???

Cilene
07-28-2010, 04:49 PM
Here's a link from WTHR 13
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=1522446&

Burger Chef murders, a 25-year-old mystery

Scott Swan/Eyewitness News

Indianapolis, Nov. 12 - Who did it? Who robbed the Burger Chef restaurant? Who murdered four employees?

"That ended up, as of today, the only unsolved major case in my career." Ken York, former detective with the Indiana State Police, is one of the original investigators on the Burger Chef murder case.


And now, two top investigators are very interested in a video found in the Eyewitness News tape library.

A man walking over to the Burger Chef a few days after the crime was committed is heard saying, "You don't want to take my picture." After peering inside the restaurant, he leaves.

Police are interested for a couple of reasons. On red van there's mud near the driver's door. Investigators think, perhaps a van was used to take the victims to that field in Johnson County.

And York and the Speedway police chief say the man really looks like the "bearded man." They're not calling him a suspect. They're calling him a "person of interest."

They want to know his name, where he lives, what he was doing at the Burger Chef so soon after the murder.

Cilene
07-28-2010, 04:54 PM
Burger Chef victims Jayne Freidt, Mark Flemmonds, Ruth Shelton, Daniel Davis

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=999980817006

Poobah90
07-29-2010, 12:13 AM
Thanks Celine

CrimeSolver
08-03-2010, 08:54 PM
And now, two top investigators are very interested in a video found in the Eyewitness News tape library.

A man walking over to the Burger Chef a few days after the crime was committed is heard saying, "You don't want to take my picture." After peering inside the restaurant, he leaves.

Police are interested for a couple of reasons. On red van there's mud near the driver's door. Investigators think, perhaps a van was used to take the victims to that field in Johnson County.

And York and the Speedway police chief say the man really looks like the "bearded man." They're not calling him a suspect. They're calling him a "person of interest."

They want to know his name, where he lives, what he was doing at the Burger Chef so soon after the murder.
Hmm, I don't suppose that video has been released, has it?

Cilene
08-04-2010, 02:25 AM
It aired on WTHR 13 news the year of the 25th anniversary. I did not see it but a friend of mine told me the other day that she remembers seeing it. There does not seem to be a link online to the video.

OilPainter
11-17-2010, 04:15 PM
The Indianapolis Star has an article about the murders. I tried to copy the link but I'm not having much luck.

Try www.indianapolisstar.com

Cilene
11-17-2010, 05:34 PM
I didn't realize that today was the anniversary date. Thank you for thinking of these young, innocent victims. God be with their families.

Dreamnine
04-21-2011, 11:03 AM
Bumping the case.

Fukiyama
04-21-2011, 12:17 PM
If a mod could edit the first post and put in some line breaks for those super long lines that are causing side scrolling, that'd be awesome! Thank you.

Kimster
04-25-2011, 07:56 PM
Our featured Cold Case from 4/24/11 to 4/30/11

May this generate the clue to solve the case!

:rose:

oceanblueeyes
04-28-2011, 10:48 PM
I had never heard of this case but it is one that grips the heart that is for sure.

We have had murders in our area from time to time over the years that happened at a fast food place and when the suspect or suspects were caught most all of the time the perps were past employees who would know the layout and know when the trash is usually taken out. Those murders too happened later in the night like these did.

This has to be so terrible for the families to endure for decade after decade Not only have they lost so much ........they have never even seen the perp(s) brought to justice.

I hope one day someone snitches. Someone knows something. It has happened before. I saw a case on A&E where a woman finally told who a murderer was and she had held that secret for 26 years.

Since the victims were killed by different methods I think there was more than one killer. A group of maybe 3.

IMO

marycarney
04-29-2011, 02:58 AM
I remember this case.
Speedway Indiana is a small town completely surrounded by the city of Indianapolis. (BTW- the Indianapolis Motor Speedway - home of the 500 - is actually in Speedway, NOT Indianapolis)
The Indy metro police solved a VERY cold case which happened just a few blocks from the Burger Chef murders. Marion County has a pretty good cold case squad - here's praying they solve this ghastly crime someday soon.

Cincinnati Kid
09-12-2011, 09:57 AM
Since authorities speculate that several individuals may have been involved in this horrible act, you'd think after all of these years that one of them may have talked about it. I'm referring to a person admitting his involvement to a fellow inmate or someone having too much to drink and bragging in a bar, etc.

A good clue is that the victim's bodies were left some 40 minutes away from the Burger Chef location; as though one or more of the killers knew that area as opposed to somewhere closer to the restaurant.

Another is the theory that one of more of the employees recognized the individuals which led to the incident turning to kidnapping and murder rather than just robbery. Could any of the family members of the victims been able to indicate those people the deceased may have known who may have had previous trouble with the law, etc.?

Cincinnati Kid
09-13-2011, 02:33 PM
This is a back-to-back reply here, but in reading the story of the incident, I've been wondering about the assistant manager's car being found away from the restaurant. The initial report indicated it was a block and one-half from the police station. How far was that from the restaurant? Was this vehicle initially taken and then ran out of gas, broke down or otherwise have become undriveable? Was it ever checked to determine if it was driveable or not? Was the vehicle checked for finger prints, blood or similar evidence? Who had driven it to that location - the assistant manager or one of the abductors? It's interesting to read that the driver's side door of the car was locked, but the passenger side was unlocked. Could the assistant manager have used it to try and escape and alert the police only to have been overtaken, stopped and taken by the killers? Could those responsible have used that vehilce to transport the victims and then driven it back to town and just abandoned it there? A lot of questions. What are the answers?

keystothekiller
10-06-2011, 03:24 PM
I'm new to this Website and I would like to thank all members for following this thread and posting updates in order to see that these victims are not forgotten. This was truly a horrific crime and all persons involved should/could be brought to justice. I say "could" because I believe as "annie1958" stated that they already know who the perpetrators are but are afraid they don't have enough evidence. Yes, the crime scene was contaminated or should I say decontaminated ,so what! Let a jury decide if there's enough evidence. I know they have some evidence, including the gun used in this crime and the name of the persons who had possession of it during the time of this crime ( that has never been made public.) The police stated that they tried to get them to sign a confession but they refused. Well, that was 30 years ago. How about trying to get a confession from one of them now, now that he's been setting in jail on unrelated charges for 30 years and will probably never see outside his jail cell again. He might be willing to deal. How about a lifetime supply of cigarettes!

keystothekiller
10-08-2011, 02:00 PM
This is a back-to-back reply here, but in reading the story of the incident, I've been wondering about the assistant manager's car being found away from the restaurant. The initial report indicated it was a block and one-half from the police station. How far was that from the restaurant? Was this vehicle initially taken and then ran out of gas, broke down or otherwise have become undriveable? Was it ever checked to determine if it was driveable or not? Was the vehicle checked for finger prints, blood or similar evidence? Who had driven it to that location - the assistant manager or one of the abductors? It's interesting to read that the driver's side door of the car was locked, but the passenger side was unlocked. Could the assistant manager have used it to try and escape and alert the police only to have been overtaken, stopped and taken by the killers? Could those responsible have used that vehilce to transport the victims and then driven it back to town and just abandoned it there? A lot of questions. What are the answers?
I Google mapped the location of the restaurant at 5725 N. Crawfordsville Rd. and 5500 blk. of W. 15th street the location that Jayne' 1974 Chevrolet Vega was found. According to the satellite view the perpetrators drove down Crawfordsville rd. and took their first right, then drove two blocks down and took another right. From the satellite view it seems to be a ballpark there now. Not sure if that was there 30 years ago. I Also think It may have been a dead end rd. At that hour of night it would have seemed vacant and secluded. It was obvious to me that the perpetrators were familiar with the area. My theory is this, the group of men who the gun traced back to (see my post) were at that time, also stealing vehicles from Ky. and bringing them back to Indiana to change VIN#. Jaynes car was fairly new. Why not take the car too since they got less than $600 from the robbery. One of them probably drove the car to this location( with the van following) in hopes that they would come back later and change the VIN #. Unfortunately for them the police located the vehicle first. In hindsight, the police should have staked out the vehicle to see if one of the perpetrators would return to claim it!

keystothekiller
10-08-2011, 06:48 PM
Since authorities speculate that several individuals may have been involved in this horrible act, you'd think after all of these years that one of them may have talked about it. I'm referring to a person admitting his involvement to a fellow inmate or someone having too much to drink and bragging in a bar, etc.

A good clue is that the victim's bodies were left some 40 minutes away from the Burger Chef location; as though one or more of the killers knew that area as opposed to somewhere closer to the restaurant.

Another is the theory that one of more of the employees recognized the individuals which led to the incident turning to kidnapping and murder rather than just robbery. Could any of the family members of the victims been able to indicate those people the deceased may have known who may have had previous trouble with the law, etc.?
A 16 year old witness reported seeing two men in a car outside the Burger Chef the night of the robbery. One of the men covered his face with a bandana and ask the boy to leave the area. It is logical then that the robbers came in wearing bandanas, ski mask etc... It was November. I believe at some point an altercation did take place causing one of the perpetrators to lose his mask/bandana revealing his face. Autopsy records show that Mark was beaten earlier in the evening. This may be the reason why the crime escalated so violently. Could this also be the reason that a man was later seen peering thought the restaurant windows, was a bandana or ski mask left behind in the scuffle. Unfortunately, the day shift cleaned the restaurant before police realized it was a crime scene. Employees probably thought a customer lost his hat/bandana and threw it in with the lost and found!

Gatesareopen
01-02-2012, 09:41 PM
The FBI needs to thoughly question past Detective Jim Cramer of the Indiana State Police about his family's involvement in this case. As it appears now, There were three men involved initially in this crime. I say initially, One of the men was driving a 73-75 Green Van with bubble windows and was seen arguing in the parking lot,with another person , The bearded man, I believe graduated or went to Avon high school with Jane Friedt. The third man is possibly a close relative to Det. Cramer and the gun used, came from this mans' father. I believe he was who moved Jaynes car. He may have worked at that Burger King and had tried to date Jane, the story is, she told him to take a hike. Police comprise the other two if there were not more. All are still alive. The bearded man is also a suspect in the I-65 murders/rapes at the Days inn, Merrillville and Remington Rape and attempted abduction at Columbus In, And the murder/ rape of a hotel clerk in Elizabethtown Ky.

bam
01-02-2012, 09:56 PM
Gatesareopen, Have you thought of going to our local TV Stations WRTV or WishTV to do some story?

Gatesareopen
01-02-2012, 11:05 PM
The first 11 years, I either called the State Police or went to the Post Road ISP every year asking if they wanted the information. I was told by people at Indy star and all the news stations that if they wouldnt talk to me, the info was probably no good. When I suspected ,in 1989 the Remington and merrillville rape /murders were committed by the bearded man, I called because at the time ,I had a suspect for them. 1 or 2 days prior to the 11th year anniversary of the BC killings. Det Jim Cramer, contacted me. I thought it was about at that point the remington /merrillville suspect. He refused to take any info I had on the Bearded suspect. He only wanted to know about Burger Chef. I drove around with him and he taped and asked mundane questions about what I saw that night at the Burger Chef. But , he refused to ask about the I-65 murders. About three days later, the man who drove the Green van started approaching me asking about ,Why was I talking about him, to the police."? At that time, in all those years I had only mentioned his name to Det .Jim cramer. He had infomation that only was on the tape Jim cramer had taped at the time in the police car. I know two of the men ,the other I just happen to run into , in Nov/89 The Ky state police was also offered this info when I found out the Elizabethtown murder was related, to this day there has been no calls or emails from them either. And, that is the basic facts of the story

Etilema
01-02-2012, 11:18 PM
I was on high school in Indianapolis at the time and do remember this crime. Kind of assumed it was eventually solved, or maybe didn't expect it would necessarily be solved, so forgot about it.

However, I did remember that this was one case that pointed out the danger for teens working alone at night. Thankfully, security cameras today are a deterrent.

keystothekiller
01-10-2012, 12:12 PM
The first 11 years, I either called the State Police or went to the Post Road ISP every year asking if they wanted the information. I was told by people at Indy star and all the news stations that if they wouldnt talk to me, the info was probably no good. When I suspected ,in 1989 the Remington and merrillville rape /murders were committed by the bearded man, I called because at the time ,I had a suspect for them. 1 or 2 days prior to the 11th year anniversary of the BC killings. Det Jim Cramer, contacted me. I thought it was about at that point the remington /merrillville suspect. He refused to take any info I had on the Bearded suspect. He only wanted to know about Burger Chef. I drove around with him and he taped and asked mundane questions about what I saw that night at the Burger Chef. But , he refused to ask about the I-65 murders. About three days later, the man who drove the Green van started approaching me asking about ,Why was I talking about him, to the police."? At that time, in all those years I had only mentioned his name to Det .Jim cramer. He had infomation that only was on the tape Jim cramer had taped at the time in the police car. I know two of the men ,the other I just happen to run into , in Nov/89 The Ky state police was also offered this info when I found out the Elizabethtown murder was related, to this day there has been no calls or emails from them either. And, that is the basic facts of the story
Gatesareopen, It sounds like we need to compare notes. Please check your messages.

keystothekiller
01-11-2012, 06:51 PM
Gatesareopen, I've sent you a new private message.

Cilene
03-24-2012, 02:27 PM
Gatesareopen, I've sent you a new private message.
I wish you would come back and share your notes with the rest of us. Thousands of people still care about these victims and want this crime solved.

keystothekiller
03-27-2012, 10:19 AM
I agree with you Cilene. Even though the police and the local news station did not want to listen to your story Gatesareopen, thousands of people still care about these victims and are eager to listen. Your information no matter how old or minute it may seem, will help to corroborate statements made by other citizens and could contain a missing piece of information that can help solve this crime!

Sidney
03-28-2012, 05:29 PM
I agree with Keystothekiller and Cilene , I would like to hear more from Keystothekiller and gatesareopen on this case. Please dont hold back any information that could help this case go forward. These victims and there families deserve closeure.

Ven
06-04-2012, 04:38 AM
I know Jayne's sister and her family, she's a very nice woman. So sad that this case has never been solved. Bump for justice.

I was also born in Speedway and my family was from there. My parents grew up in that area in the 70's and I remember years later my mother often talked about the BC murders and the Speedway bombings. The two most notorious crimes in Speedway's history both happened within 2 months of each other in the Fall 1978.

My mother's friend's father was the man maimed in the Speedway bombings and he later committed suicide. My mother has always believed Brett Kimberlin, convicted in the bombings, was involved in the BC murders as well. Why she believes that, I'm not sure, but her and her friend apparently believe that Kimberlin was involved in the BC murders.

That's their opinion, I'm not sure how that fits in with the theory of the beared man, fair haired man, and the others. I've seen several places online where essentially LE believes they know who is responsible but cannot convict at trial.

Jayne's sister ... I've never spoken to her about all of this and never would bring it up, I've actually known her for many years and only recently learned of the connection. So I don't have any inside information there, but I really feel for her. I hope the scum who committed these acts are brought to justice, and one day we know they will have to answer to God.

Ven
06-04-2012, 04:54 AM
From this thread Gates seems to have a clear suspect in mind, he goes into a very detailed description of this person in the thread he started on the I-65 Motel killer.

I65, Days Inn , Mary Gill, Jean Gilbert, Vicki Heath, 1989 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community



Add:
and link from AMW

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=76669

Ven
06-04-2012, 05:33 AM
Here is another online source:

It claims the bearded man died of a heart attack, the man who tipped off police to the bearded man committed suicide, and the shotgun man and fair haired man are still alive and living in Indiana, according to this source.

http://expandyourmind.hubpages.com/hub/-Cold-Case-Fast-Food-Murders-in-Home-of-Indy-500

Ven
06-04-2012, 05:59 AM
OK one last post before I go to bed. This from another online poster:

Anonymous:

It is never to late for justice! Here is what I know about the Burger Chef Murders. A guy named Ford*****(last names not revealed)owed drug money to two brothers John & Daniel***** Because of this the brothers stole from Ford****** a green custom van and 38 revolver that was later used in the murders.The van was later torched. The 38 revolver was supposed to be thrown in the river but was instead sold to Jim *****. Jim ***** sold the gun to two brothers from Wanamaker named********The two brothers from wanamaker then used it to rob a bank and were caught. The bullistics traced the gun back to the Burger Chef Murders! The two brothers from Wanamaker were never convicted of the bank robbery because the police lost the gun in their custody! Losing the gun was either a cover-up or total embarrassment for the police department, either way the police never tried to convict John & daniel *****

http://www.tchowe.com/MessageBoards/GeneralDiscussion/879765903244?b_start:int=20

keystothekiller
06-04-2012, 08:20 PM
I've heard a similar story through the grapevine, but some of the names and places were different. There are so many stories, leads, suspects and theories that as a layman I don't know who to believe. No wonder the police have never solved this one.

Gatesareopen
06-24-2012, 08:31 PM
I stand by my statements and the people were convicted and in jail long before March of 1989. This man who I believe was involved was out and on the move.

SyraKelly
06-25-2012, 12:15 AM
Can someone tell me-who is still alive in case?
fair haired guy
shotgun guy

keystothekiller
06-30-2012, 10:54 AM
I dislike the use of the terms fair-haired man, shotgun man and bearded man. Those terms probably generated thousands of useless leads for the police to follow because it describes everyone's shady friend and neighbor. The police should now name their potential suspects by using the politically correct term "Persons of Interest."

keystothekiller
08-21-2012, 06:39 PM
A 16 yr. boy and his girlfriend reported they had seen two men parked outside the Burger Chef and gave descriptions to the police but does anyone remember if there was ever a description of the vehicle?

keystothekiller
03-23-2013, 06:31 PM
I stand by my statements and the people were convicted and in jail long before March of 1989. This man who I believe was involved was out and on the move.
Was one of the men you mentioned convicted of an unrelated crime in 1981 and is still serving time?

bflocket
03-25-2013, 07:09 PM
I dislike the use of the terms fair-haired man, shotgun man and bearded man. Those terms probably generated thousands of useless leads for the police to follow because it describes everyone's shady friend and neighbor. The police should now name their potential suspects by using the politically correct term "Persons of Interest."

If there are suspects or suspect-types being "considered," then those terms are specific in terms of the case. It's actually easier to keep track of than Perp-A, Perp-B, etc. People generally won't know of anyone that is a "shotgun man" or "light-haired man" but if they have knowledge of the case, it helps keep them straight.

Anyways...
I was about "negative 6-mos" (so I sort-of existed) at the time of the murders, but I remember people talking about the case just about as far as I can remember. I'm from around Bardstown/Louisville Ky and my father's family came from Indiana and some were in the area when they occurred.

keystothekiller
07-13-2013, 04:36 PM
New video from the Indy Star on the Burger Chef Murders.
http://www.indystar.com/VideoNetwork/2336040233001/Indiana-Unsolved-Burger-Chef-murders

time
07-17-2013, 10:42 PM
Can I ask a question. Does anyone researching this case know of a possible serial killer in Indiana (Northern if it matters) around 1974? I am still haunted by a case where a 13 year old was brutally murdered.

keystothekiller
11-15-2013, 06:13 PM
I learned a couple new facts about the case... maybe this will jog someone's memory.

http://www.wthr.com/story/23973219/2013/11/14/unsolved-burger-chef-murders