Lisa Stebic-Plainfield, IL mother of 2

[Mom2threestooges]

Sad to say that my first inclination is the estranged husband, but isn't everyone's these days?? I guess that's the easy answer, but who walks away from their two kids? Police aren't saying a whole lot just yet.


http://www.nbc5.com/family/13249013/detail.html?dl=headlineclick

PLAINFIELD, Ill. -- Plainfield police are searching for a 37-year-old mother (http://www.nbc5.com/family/13249013/detail.html?dl=headlineclick#) of two who is missing.

Lisa Stebic, 37, walked out of her suburban home on Monday evening and hasn't been seen since.


Married for 14 years, Lisa and her husband, Craig, are now going through a divorce.
Her car remains in the garage, and her cell phone (http://www.nbc5.com/family/13249013/detail.html?dl=headlineclick#) and credit cards haven't been used since Monday.

Craig Stebic said she would never just walk away from her kids.

"She's a good mom. I can't imagine her disappearing on her kids like that," he said.

A hot line has been set up for anyone with information. That number is 815-267-7217.

[Sniffy38]

This sounds all too painfully familiar. Is there something in the drinking water these days? There seems to be an epidemic of this - "Here we go again".

[Taximom]

She placed an ad to find someone in her city to walk with (link below)...note: females only AND she wanted to get her children involved in healthy activities. Doesn't sound like someone that would run off to me. :(

http://www.exercisefriends.com/view_profile.aspx?member_id=69274

As much as I already suspect the soon-to-be-divorced spouse, it's always possible she met up with a bad stranger. (Still betting on the spouse though.) :(

[Bobbisangel]

I wonder who the last person was to see her? Who were the kids with when she left home and where did she say she was going? Someone must have answers to those questions. Is she just another wife that decided to WALK away from her kids without looking back...wanting to find herself and change her life...doesn't sound like it to me.

Is hubby a nervous wreck because he is afraid his world is going to come crashing down on his head? What were the problems in the marriage? Any previous domestic calls to 911?

Strange how many wifes were either in the middle of getting a divorce or had mentioned that they wanted to get a divorce have come up missing...vanished into thin air....leaving the children at home alone or with the hubby or soon-to-be ex-hubby. All of them walked away...didn't drive away and took no clothing with them or their phones...some without purses, etc. Some even left in their pj's when it was freezing outside! All of them have probably suffered the same fate by the very people who promised to love, honor, and cherish them.

[Dena]

And the only reason I just heard this is because an e-mail with her picture just got filtered to my administrator mailbox. It seems some guys at my work know her. It was BCC'd though so I can't see who it was meant for and if they have any information.


I am not far at all from there, yet I have not heard anything on the news about this woman. I hope she is ok.

[texasgirl]

She placed an ad to find someone in her city to walk with (link below)...note: females only AND she wanted to get her children involved in healthy activities. Doesn't sound like someone that would run off to me. :(

http://www.exercisefriends.com/view_profile.aspx?member_id=69274

As much as I already suspect the soon-to-be-divorced spouse, it's always possible she met up with a bad stranger. (Still betting on the spouse though.) :(

Or, did the husband post this ad so that there was another thing to look into other than him?

I always hate hearing these stories of women that just walk out of their house and never return. Meanwhile, the husband is telling everyone that he hasn't slept in 3 days....Hmmm...

Sounds fishy to me!

[Lurker]

Wow you guys are quick! I just saw this on Fox.

I'm thinking the hubby. Kind of funny how they haven't spoken "more than 5 words in the past 5 months" yet her ad shows her as a married woman looking for women ONLY to join her in exercise?

Hmmm

[Taximom]

Or, did the husband post this ad so that there was another thing to look into other than him?

I always hate hearing these stories of women that just walk out of their house and never return. Meanwhile, the husband is telling everyone that he hasn't slept in 3 days....Hmmm...

Sounds fishy to me!

That's a good point! Columbo I am not!

I personally thought it was weird that she used her complete name to place the ad. Surely with children, especially, she would use some sort of nickname on the internet?

Lurker, I didn't think it was too weird that she asked for "women only". To me that meant she didn't want to bother with any guys looking for a good time. Then again...you never know!

This is another mom that left her cell phone, wallet and kids behind, just like that. :cool:

I hope she's found alive and well. I'd like to know more about her husband etc too.

[Lurker]

Yeah I can see that too. It just sounded weird that he filed for divorce and she posts an ad saying she's married with 2 kids and is looking for women friends. It's TMI in my opinion. That could just be me though, I wouldn't put all that information out if looking for a workout partner.

[Lurker]

I did a case search and it found a record for Craig Stebic, approximate age, 40 but it wants me to pay almost $40 for the info, without even knowing what it is.

Anyone know a better site to use? I went to http://www.courtregistry.org/index.php

[Lurker]

Can anyone get this site to work? If so, is it them? When I click on the link, I get the dreaded 404 message.

The Stebic Family (http://www.migratorfishhunt.com/news/news.asp?ID=23)The Stebic Family, Craig, Lisa, Alexis, Zac, and Craig's dad, Joe enjoy a Family Outing aboard The Migrator. Fun was had by all! ...
www.migratorfishhunt.com/news/news.asp?ID=23 - 7k - Supplemental Result -

[Mygirlsadie]

I got it to work there is a picture of all of them (if that is them I don't know) but there is a picture there.




Can anyone get this site to work? If so, is it them? When I click on the link, I get the dreaded 404 message.

The Stebic Family (http://www.migratorfishhunt.com/news/news.asp?ID=23)The Stebic Family, Craig, Lisa, Alexis, Zac, and Craig's dad, Joe enjoy a Family Outing aboard The Migrator. Fun was had by all! ...
www.migratorfishhunt.com/news/news.asp?ID=23 - 7k - Supplemental Result -

[Betsy]

He was working in the backyard when she left the house, huh?

He wasn't laying cement, was he?

Weird feeling about this one, probably because I live close.

This being Laci's birthday, I'm going to follow this one. This woman needs some prayers, I have a feeling....

[crash676]

I found the picture yesterday too. I do believe it is them . It is for a local charter comany here in Illinois not too far away from they live. This is scary considering I live about 10 miles south of them. I do not know her but I have friends who's children go the school she works at and they all say she is a very nice lady who seems really into her kids. Just hearsay don't know her or anyone who knows her inner secrets just what you see from the outside. I did fnd it weird though that she used her full name on all of the internet postings she did.

[Sassygerl]

I believe it is them too...here are a few others to compare to...

http://www.nbc5.com/slideshow/family/13250522/detail.html

I'm very suspicious of the husband....just got in a car while he was out back planting flowers...yeah right!

[Jaded]

It seems like every time that there is a case such as this, the hubby ends up being the culprit. Not going to jump to conclusions just yet, but it seems that history has a way of repeating itself in these types of cases. Whatever happened to getting a divorce?

[Cubby]

I found a civil case in Cook Cty with both she and her stbx as defendents.

http://www.blackbookonline.info/bboil.htm Go to Cook and type in the last name.....

They are in Will County and nothing listed for Will Cty searches.

I'm about 40 minutes or so north of them........ Hadn't heard of this yet, although I haven't had the news on for the last 24 hours, which is a rarity. (pbs break)

While I too am leaning towards the stbx, especially since she left without a cell phone. Small chance on the excersize partner. However, there are quite a few forums for parents/playgroups etc. all over the Chicagoland area.... Particularly in more affluent areas. I wouldn't consider Plainfield an affluent area by any stretch, but it is an area that not too long ago was farmland and has had a tremendous amount of growth and new developement.

[wicket]

I really hate to say this -- but here we go again. Are all these missing mothers and wives on board a cruise ship just enjoying life? They all are somewhere - I doubt there is a demand from space aliens for 'loving mothers' or 'almost ex-wives'.
Can anyone vouch (other than his dog or mother) that he was working in the yard? When did he report her disappearance? They lived in the same house and hardly spoke yet were divorcing? That means, no doubt, that he was adamant about not giving up the great house and she probably wanted it. Or else money was an issue and he couldn't afford to get an apartment. She worked in the cafeteria of a school? What does he do? Call me pessimistic but didn't Sam Parker say he was doing yard work when Theresa was missing? :confused:

[gidget641]

A website has been launched for lisa. http://www.findlisastebic.com/

[Taximom]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/370677,6_1_NA04_MISSING_S1.article

[Jaded]

I hope she is found soon and this doesn't end up being like other cases before her. :(

[AlwaysShocked]

"told FOXNews.com that Craig Stebic voluntarily handed over the family computer to police. Authorities still have it in their possession.

"We're actively looking at all leads," Eiting said when asked if police are still searching the computer for any clues.

Craig Stebic said he filed for divorce after 14 years of marriage in January when his wife declared in October that she "didn't want to be married to me anymore," the Tribune reported. Since then, he said, they've lived separate lives in the same house and have not spoken more than five words to each other in five months.

Police were called to the Stebic house once in December during a domestic dispute, according to the Tribune.

Eiting told the paper that it was a "nonviolent domestic trouble call, so it was a verbal altercation between Lisa and her husband. No arrests, no battery."

Eiting confirmed to FOXNews.com that the Stebics were going through a divorce and said Craig Stebic was fully cooperating with the investigation.

In 1995, Craig Stebic was charged with two felony counts of unlawful use of a weapon after police stopped his vehicle about 1,000 feet south of two Lincolnshire schools at 9 in the morning, according to the Tribune.

Police found a 10-gauge double-barrel shotgun, a .44 magnum semi-automatic pistol, a Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle and an AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifle in his 1998 Toyota pickup.

He was also charged with four misdemeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon, operating an unsafe motor vehicle and driving while his license was revoked, according to the Tribune.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270106,00.html

[Taximom]

I deleted a comment I made about the Find Lisa website probably being set up by her friends not Craig. It turns out it was her family that did it.

A neighbor that reportedly says they see her come home between 2 and 4 p.m. said they didn't see that last week. Hubby says she went missing at 6:15. How does he know this if they aren't talking to each other?

I hope the kids tell LE plenty.

Press conference about it but CRAIG DID NOT PARTICIPATE. Why not? He's too distraught. More distraught than her own family? Give me a break. :snooty:

Press conference video here:
http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/local_story_124212449.html

[Jaded]

It's hard not to be a skeptic when nearly all of the cases such as this turn end in the husband being charged with murder. And every time I shake my head -- why not just LEAVE instead of ruining your life, and that of your children who will be left parentless.

[Liz]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/370677,6_1_NA04_MISSING_S1.article

Some snippets from your link that piqued my interest:

Lisa M. Stebic, 37, of 13244 Red Star Drive was reported missing Tuesday by a neighbor, Deputy Police Chief Mark Eiting said.


Craig Stebic said he hasn't seen his wife since she left the house with her purse and cell phone about 6 p.m. Monday. She left on foot or was picked up because she didn't drive her car, he said.

"It's been like three days now. It's getting a little crazy," he said, his eyes red and watery. He held a crumpled tissue as he spoke.

"Somebody's got to see her somewhere," he said. "You just don't drop off the face of the earth."

One of the Stebics' neighbors, who asked to remain anonymous, said she is used to seeing Lisa come home from work each day about 2 p.m. and leave again about 4 p.m.

"This week was unusual because I didn't see her at all," she said.

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So, the neighbor allegedly reported Lisa missing, not her soon to be ex. hmmmm. When? Wednesday night? Thursday morning?

Yet, the (soon to be ex) husband, Craig, claims (article dated 5/3) he hadn't slept in three days? Why didn't he report his wife missing, since he was SO worried, that he couldn't sleep since Monday? I wonder. Little freudian slip there, perhaps?

Also he knows when she left the house and that she had her purse and cell phone, but can't say whether she left on foot or got picked up. hmmmm....

I'll be praying Lisa turns up safe and sound, although it doesn't sound very promising.


ETA: According to the Chicago Trib (5/4), Lisa's husband reported her missing Tuesday morning. So if true, this looks a bit better for Craig.

Plainfield Deputy Police Chief Mark Eiting said Craig Stebic reported his wife missing at 10 a.m. Tuesday. There is no evidence of foul play, he said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/southsouthwest/chi-0705040603may04,1,1118761.story?coll=chi-newslocalssouthwest-hed

I think someone needs to call in the search dogs, to figure out whether Lisa left on foot or by car. Time is of essence!

[chicoliving]

It seems more appropriate to discuss this here on the discussion forum. :)

[Betsy]

Does it sound strange to anyone else that HE filed for divorce in January (he says she told him October that she didn't want to be married anymore) yet he was STILL living there? And yet, they hadn't spoken in 5 months?? How do you do that?

[gidget641]

Does it sound strange to anyone else that HE filed for divorce in January (he says she told him October that she didn't want to be married anymore) yet he was STILL living there? And yet, they hadn't spoken in 5 months?? How do you do that?

I find a few thing strange about this case. But, not that he was still living in the family home. I know one of my former bosses is currently still living in his home with his soon to be ex-wife. They filed for divorce over a year ago. He just moved into the guest room. I also know that when I was getting divorced my lawyer 'dressed me down' for leaving the marital home. (and we just rented an apt. did not own the property)

Now I DO NOT buy that they did not speak. No way that could be the case, they have children. There would have to be some sort of communication conserning the kids.

Has anyone seen anything about LE interviewing people where she normally would work out? If she did in fact leave to go work out, did she make it there?

Also was she at work on Monday?

My gut tells me that the husband is involved, (seems to be the case most of the time in cases like this) but I would hate to see that LE focused on him, and it turns out that she hooked up with some nut job.

I also have a problem with her just leaving and not saying a word. nothing like "I am going now. The kids are blah blah blah" or "make sure homework gets done." A mother just does not leave with out saying a word about her kids.

OT-Betsy, I grew up in Barrington square in H.E. Small world

[Cubby]

Craig Stebic said he filed for divorce after 14 years of marriage in January when his wife declared in October that she "didn't want to be married to me anymore," the Tribune reported. Since then, he said


That stuck out at me as strange. She said she didn't want to be married, so he just said ok honey and went in filed himself within a few months? I know statistically woman initiate divorce more often than men and would guess woman would also file first........ His not leaving the house would be do to "abandonment" issues with child custody.

If he was really working in the back yard, at 6:10, did anyone see him? Plainfield subdivisions, look like all the rest of recent development with most places having a decent view off all the back yards. Seems a little early to me with dinner time........

If she really left with someone to "work out" with her cell phone, and purse, the "person" who "picked her up" should appear on either the computer, home or cell phone.

Hi to all my "neighbors". I'm in the C.S area, not too far from H.E.

[gidget641]

That stuck out at me as strange. She said she didn't want to be married, so he just said ok honey and went in filed himself within a few months? I know statistically woman initiate divorce more often than men and would guess woman would also file first........ His not leaving the house would be do to "abandonment" issues with child custody.

If he was really working in the back yard, at 6:10, did anyone see him? Plainfield subdivisions, look like all the rest of recent development with most places having a decent view off all the back yards. Seems a little early to me with dinner time........

If she really left with someone to "work out" with her cell phone, and purse, the "person" who "picked her up" should appear on either the computer, home or cell phone.

Hi to all my "neighbors". I'm in the C.S area, not too far from H.E.

Working outside at 6:10 does not strike me as strange we eat around 5-5:30 and my hubby works outside till dark almost every night. But then again my hubby does not have a normal 9-5 job. so he is home some days by noon. just depends on what job sites he has to visit that day.

OT-I am thinking I was a close neighbor of yours too! If C.S is the town I am thinking of, I just moved from there a little over a year ago. I was just down the street from S.S mall and the Kmart

[Cubby]

Right area.... I used to work at the RL pt right around the corner.

I still love that picture.......

[Liz]

Search continues for Lisa Stebic

MISSING WOMAN'S FAMILY HOLDS PRESS CONFERENCE; INFORMATION REMAINS LIMITED

May 5, 2007
By BRIAN STANLEY Staff Writer

PLAINFIELD -- Mark Greenberg looked around the missing woman's neighborhood Friday afternoon.
"It's strange how everything is so normal," the Naperville man said.»

more:
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/371847,4_1_JO05_MISSING_S1.article


This article also states that Lisa was reported missing by her neighbor, not her husband. :confused:

[Trino]

[QUOTE=Cubby;1474084]That stuck out at me as strange. She said she didn't want to be married, so he just said ok honey and went in filed himself within a few months? I know statistically woman initiate divorce more often than men and would guess woman would also file first........ His not leaving the house would be do to "abandonment" issues with child custody. /QUOTE]

My neighbor pulled the same thing on her husband. After 3 kids (ages 4, 9, 10), she simply told her husband she did not love him and wanted a divorce. He tried to reason with her, counseling, but it did no good. He finally filed - within a few months. This is exactly why he did not leave the house. His attorney said if he did, it would be considered abandonment, i.e. child custody, so he lived in the house until the very day the divorce was final - got joint custody.

[gidget641]

This article also states that Lisa was reported missing by her neighbor, not her husband. :confused:

Now that part sends my hinkey meter off the charts. If that is accurate, why would the neighbor make the report and not the husband? Did the neighbor do it because he was too upset? or because he acted like he did not give a chit? Was he even aware that the neighbor was going to call the police?

[puglet]

This woman lives in the subdivision next to mine. There are missing posters everywhere. This is such a safe area, I can't help believe that the husband did something to her. I feel for her poor kids.

[Liz]

Plainfield police: No leads on Lisa Stebic
May 7, 2007

PLAINFIELD -- Family members passed out fliers Sunday as Lisa Stebic remained missing.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/373816,4_1_JO07_COPS_S1.article


Thinking about Lisa and praying for her safe return.

[concernedperson]

This case is reminding me of Tara Grant's case where the husband said she left in a car w/ someone. Of course later LE found her torso in the garage.

Has LE obtained a search warrant for the house yet?

[Liz]

Has LE obtained a search warrant for the house yet?


Hi CP. I don't believe they have. He offered up the computer(s) from what I understand.

I wish the family would get a couple of search dogs over there before Lisa's scent diminishes, to try to determine IF she left by foot or in a vehicle. (That's if there are any available -- presently not tied up in the Greensburg, Kansas (tornado devastated) area.)

FNC is covering her case right now.

[Taximom]

Does anyone know what the husband does for a living?

I still think the weirdest thing is the internet posts with her full name. It's like it was put there on purpose. Which makes me think pre-meditation.

Someone commented on another site (topix?) that they should check the father-in-law's boating business for any weird activity around the time she went missing.

I'm still hoping for the best though. (putting on my rose-colored glasses)

[Liz]

Does anyone know what the husband does for a living?

I still think the weirdest thing is the internet posts with her full name. It's like it was put there on purpose. Which makes me think pre-meditation.

Someone commented on another site (topix?) that they should check the father-in-law's boating business for any weird activity around the time she went missing.

I'm still hoping for the best though. (putting on my rose-colored glasses)


That is strange about those internet postings --- sounds like a great set-up for pre-meditated foul play. But, then again, maybe it was legit and led to her demise.

Saw on Fox earlier that they had search dogs out looking for her yesterday (I think). But, I'd still like to know if the dogs checked the home premises to determine how she left (by foot or vehicle).

It was mentioned that Lisa usually got home around 2 and stayed and helped the kids with homework and stuff, until the hubby came in about 6 at which time she usually left. She would normally return around 10 pm.

[Dena]

OT-I am thinking I was a close neighbor of yours too! If C.S is the town I am thinking of, I just moved from there a little over a year ago. I was just down the street from S.S mall and the Kmart

Small world, I currently live in Carol Stream. I went to Hoffman High and my first job was at the dollar theatre in Barrington Square Mall.

[Rosco]

I pray they find her safe. I can't imagine her leaving her children.
Rosco

[gidget641]

Small world, I currently live in Carol Stream. I went to Hoffman High and my first job was at the dollar theatre in Barrington Square Mall.

My first job was at the burger king in Barrington Square. Quite a few years b4 the HE police department declared the entire mall a NO CRUISING zone! I was just at the Garibaldi's and notice that there is one woman who has been working there since I was 13.

Do you remember MR. Frosty's ice cream over on Hassel rd?

[twinkiesmom]

<<They lived in the same house and hardly spoke yet were divorcing? That means, no doubt, that he was adamant about not giving up the great house and she probably wanted it. Or else money was an issue and he couldn't afford to get an apartment. She worked in the cafeteria of a school? What does he do? >>

On Greta's show, one of the family members said he was a pipe fitter.

I'm surprised with them divorcing that she did not feel the need to get a job other than working in the school cafeteria. (I read from a local poster on another board that she's a lunch lady.) That's something stay at home moms do to keep their ears open about what's going on at the kid's school and earn a little pin money, not enough to support yourself.

The cost of living in the Chicago suburbs is high, even though Plainfield is considered affordable by comparison. I doubt they had enough money to support two households much less keep that house.

To the poster who said this was a safe area...my brother just moved out of Plainfield a few years ago...It was a safe area in the early 90's when he moved in. He was noticing increasing criminality...there was a domestic homicide one block over, and someone was setting off small explosives in his neighborhood. Plainfield is also right next to Joliet.

[Liz]

Stebic search goes national
May 8, 2007

Snippets from article:

Melanie Greenberg of Naperville, who is married to Stebic's cousin, has served as the family's spokeswoman. Greenberg on Friday started a Web site, www.findlisastebic.com, which received more than 12,000 hits by Monday afternoon.

No one saw Lisa, described as 5-foot-2 inches and 125 pounds, leave her house that day, police said. She often worked out at Plainfield North High School's fitness center, but she did not work out there April 30, police said.

The Sunday search did not generate any new information, though police say keeping Lisa's case public is crucial.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/375012,4_1_JO08_MISSING_S1.article

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I imagine this has already been checked out but I've been wondering if Craig has keys to Lisa's car, because there is always the possibility her cell phone and purse are in the trunk. If I were leaving to work out, I wouldn't take anything but my key(s) and bottled water. In her situation, I would've locked my purse & phone in my car. But that's just me.

On Fox News' "America's Newsroom" this hour, I think I heard that they are going to interview Lisa's sisters.

[gidget641]

Stebic search goes national
May 8, 2007

Snippets from article:


No one saw Lisa, described as 5-foot-2 inches and 125 pounds, leave her house that day,
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/375012,4_1_JO08_MISSING_S1.article


I wonder if that means that she did not go to work on monday either.

[Liz]

Missing woman in middle of divorce
*
May 8, 2007 - <snipped>
Police are investigating the disappearance of 37-year-old Lisa Stebic. As part of their investigation, they asked her husband, Craig Stebic, to take a polygraph test. Lisa's relatives say he first agreed to take the test but then changed his mind.

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=local&id=5283782

The article also mentioned there is a $20,000 reward for information. And that more than 15,000 visitors have already clicked on to their website, http://findlisastebic.com

[Betsy]

So he SAYS she left to go work out, but we know that she did not arrive there.

I'm wondering what time the kids left to go buy "candy". How long were they gone? Did they see their mother after school that day?

So assuming they did, and everything was fine that afternoon, and they ate dinner, etc, before the kids left and before Lisa "left"....What if they got in an argument, he hit her, realized uh oh, it was fatal or close to it, he was in big trouble regardless....He hides her (In his trunk maybe? What does he drive? Maybe he hides her in her own car?) Anyway, later that night, kids are in bed, nothing is out of the ordinary, since mom usually comes home late anyway, hubby leaves during the night and takes her somewhere. Would the neighbors notice him leaving in the middle of the night? I doubt if I would notice my neighbors if they did anything while I was sleeping. My neighbor works nights and leaves around 11:00pm to go to work, and I just realized I NEVER see her nor hear her car leave.

There is a big window here for him to do whatever with her. I hate to be so suspicious, but this is weird.

And I don't watch the news much, but has he been on at all, except for that first night? Her family (and his) have been pleading for her to come home but has he?

I asked my husband last night what would he do if I went missing, and he admits he'd be extremely distraught but couldn't imagine letting the rest of the family do the footwork in finding me--he'd have to be out there doing all he could, regardless if he was under suspicion. But of course, thankfully, we aren't going through this ordeal, so who knows what someone would do.

Just rambling here....This is not going to have a happy ending.

"HI" to all my neighbors!

Betsy

[Betsy]

Lisa's relatives say he first agreed to take the test but then changed his mind.


OK, did this guy NOT follow the Peterson case?? Surely he's not THAT stupid....

But then, I always thought that about Scott, and the answer was incredibly YES--he WAS that stupid!

[Liz]

I wonder if that means that she did not go to work on monday either.

I don't know for sure, Gidget, but I would think if she hadn't showed up for work last Monday, that it would have already been mentioned in some of the media reports.

[Dena]

<<They lived in the same house and hardly spoke yet were divorcing? That means, no doubt, that he was adamant about not giving up the great house and she probably wanted it. Or else money was an issue and he couldn't afford to get an apartment. She worked in the cafeteria of a school? What does he do? >>

On Greta's show, one of the family members said he was a pipe fitter.

I'm surprised with them divorcing that she did not feel the need to get a job other than working in the school cafeteria. (I read from a local poster on another board that she's a lunch lady.) That's something stay at home moms do to keep their ears open about what's going on at the kid's school and earn a little pin money, not enough to support yourself.

The cost of living in the Chicago suburbs is high, even though Plainfield is considered affordable by comparison. I doubt they had enough money to support two households much less keep that house.

To the poster who said this was a safe area...my brother just moved out of Plainfield a few years ago...It was a safe area in the early 90's when he moved in. He was noticing increasing criminality...there was a domestic homicide one block over, and someone was setting off small explosives in his neighborhood. Plainfield is also right next to Joliet.


I don't know much about Plainfield in particular, but yes, living in the suburbs is very expensive. I agree, there is no way a single mom in Plainfield could support herself as a lunch lady. And anyway, being a lunch lady isn't even a full time gig right?

He agreed then refused eh... why doesn't he give it up and tell LE where Lisa is.
Why do men continually think they can get away with murdering their wives? Haven't they learned?

[Liz]

Hi Betsy! How did you find out that Lisa never made it to work Monday? I haven't heard or read that but you are local, whereas I'm not.

I agree it doesn't sound good, but I am trying to keep hope alive for Lisa; and especially her children.

Note about update on Fox News: Bill Hemmer just mentioned that Lisa's family would be joining them this hour.

[Betsy]

I meant she never made it to where she works out--sorry!

[Liz]

I meant she never made it to where she works out--sorry!


No prob, Betsy. Thanks for the clarification! :)

I wish Craig would take the poly for the sake of the children, if nothing else.

America's Newsroom is discussing the case again.

[Seahorseladydi]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/374981,6_1_NA08_MISSING_S1.article

This article is titled "She feared her husband"

This is VERY interesting!!!

The husband is involved!!!

[J-Man]

--Husband's whereabouts in the last week prior to disappearance, e.g. I-Pass tracks the date and time going through any toll plaza in Illinois
--current construction jobs husband was working at
--where husband has tools/equipment stored for work purposes
--any storage facilties husband has rented out or uses
--library books either has checked out recently
--video inside store to prove that the kids were there on night of disappearance
--video inside all stores close to house night/morning of disappearance

[Lurker]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/374981,6_1_NA08_MISSING_S1.article

This article is titled "She feared her husband"

This is VERY interesting!!!

The husband is involved!!!

Uh OH!

"She found ways to leave the house whenever her husband was home, and on four occasions took her 10-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter on visits to the Zegars' home.
There, Lisa met a 45-year-old friend of the Zegars, with whom she went on a few dates while still living with Craig Stebic, Zegar said."

I wonder if the hubby found out about the dates? And now he's refused a poly? Doesn't sound good.

[Betsy]

current construction jobs husband was working at

I thought of this, too. Could he have been at work that day and thought, Hmmm, this would be a great place to hide someone...Then went back that night...

I don't know--it took me a very long time to believe that Scott Peterson premeditated Laci's murder, so I tend to be a little naive.

Was it ever clarified if HE reported her missing, or if it was the neighbor? I picture the kids being upset the next morning that she wasn't home and telling a neighbor, or needing a ride to school because mom wasn't there. Those poor children...

Was HE home that morning? Did he leave early like some construction workers? Maybe he didn't know she wasn't home? I'm assuming they had separate bedrooms.

Bottom line is, this woman did not leave voluntarily. Therefore, foul play IS involved, whether the police are admitting it publicly or not. So...first thing to do is rule out the spouse. If they can't, there's a big problem.

Unfortunately, with a stranger, there's always hope. But with a spouse... :(

[Seahorseladydi]

I have to say......

I have been married for 13 years and in January asked my husband to leave... he refused!

My point is....... if she didn't want to be married any longer then they spoke more then just 5 words in 5 months TRUST ME!

AND.......

I can totally relate about not wanting to be home when he was there..... she was trying to find a way to not have to "deal" with him....

I just can relate so much to how this woman felt.... and yes I have thought about leaving but this is MY house and they are MY kids! HE can GET OUT! (Makes me wonder if that is how she was feeling)

[Betsy]

I have to say......

I have been married for 13 years and in January asked my husband to leave... he refused!

My point is....... if she didn't want to be married any longer then they spoke more then just 5 words in 5 months TRUST ME!

AND.......

I can totally relate about not wanting to be home when he was there..... she was trying to find a way to not have to "deal" with him....

I just can relate so much to how this woman felt.... and yes I have thought about leaving but this is MY house and they are MY kids! HE can GET OUT! (Makes me wonder if that is how she was feeling)

Seahorseladydi, I'm sorry for your situation. I hope everything resolves itself soon, for your sake and your children.

I think you're right--I think "we didn't say more than 5 words to eachother" probably translates into "we fought constantly, but I don't want anyone to know that"...

I'm sure those poor children know a thing or two....

[Seahorseladydi]

Thanks Betsy!!!

Life lives itself and I am just here for the ride.... at the moment! lol

I think you are right.... those children are old enough to know SOMETHING!

I am sure the police have spoke with the friends and neighbors... I think they know more then they are saying.

I am going to give it a few days.... the hubby can't handle the stress he will blow.. or make a mistake.... men are not all that brilliant when it comes to killing their wives!

JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION HOWEVER ;)

[Liz]

--Husband's whereabouts in the last week prior to disappearance, e.g. I-Pass tracks the date and time going through any toll plaza in Illinois
--current construction jobs husband was working at
--where husband has tools/equipment stored for work purposes
--any storage facilties husband has rented out or uses
--library books either has checked out recently
--video inside store to prove that the kids were there on night of disappearance
--video inside all stores close to house night/morning of disappearance



J-Man, that seem like a pretty good list of things to check. I only hope LE or family are doing some checking on some of that stuff.


I noticed that was your first post, so I'd like to welcome you to Websleuths! :)

[Dena]

In that link there is a picture of the house and it states that Lisa was receiving counseling at a battered women's shelter.

I am confident Craig Stebic murdered his wife.
I just have this gut feeling and this whole situation is reminding me too much of home.

Bear with me...

My mother was in an abusive relationship with my stepfather for 13 years. He hit her a lot, she had many bruises, a broken nose, he had knocked out her teeth, smashed her head against cabinets. My stepfather had a criminal record as good as Mr. Stebic. A criminal record means SQUAT. The only way there would be a record for spousal abuse is if 1) the cops are called and 2) the woman presses charges.
Many women (like my mother) make up stories about their injuries to keep the peace.

I feel that Craig Stebic is a typical manipulator and psychopath. He is good at head games, a confident man who believes he won't be caught. I remember a time when my stepfather told me that he has never failed a lie detector test. He says that if you believe your own story whole-heartedly, stay calm, you will pass.
My stepfather was a manipulator, a liar, an abuser, and a confident and charismatic man who could talk his way out of anything. He turned stories around to make my mother look like the crazy one.

This all seems so similar.

[Seahorseladydi]

In that link there is a picture of the house and it states that Lisa was receiving counseling at a battered women's shelter.

I am confident Craig Stebic murdered his wife.
I just have this gut feeling and this whole situation is reminding me too much of home.

Bear with me...

My mother was in an abusive relationship with my stepfather for 13 years. He hit her a lot, she had many bruises, a broken nose, he had knocked out her teeth, smashed her head against cabinets. My stepfather had a criminal record as good as Mr. Stebic. A criminal record means SQUAT. The only way there would be a record for spousal abuse is if 1) the cops are called and 2) the woman presses charges.
Many women (like my mother) make up stories about their injuries to keep the peace.

I feel that Craig Stebic is a typical manipulator and psychopath. He is good at head games, a confident man who believes he won't be caught. I remember a time when my stepfather told me that he has never failed a lie detector test. He says that if you believe your own story whole-heartedly, stay calm, you will pass.
My stepfather was a manipulator, a liar, an abuser, and a confident and charismatic man who could talk his way out of anything. He turned stories around to make my mother look like the crazy one.

This all seems so similar.


This is SO true for me! I think this case is hitting home for alot of people. My husband does not hit me but WORDS can hurt just as much!

[JDB]

Uh OH!

"She found ways to leave the house whenever her husband was home, and on four occasions took her 10-year-old son and 12-year-old daughter on visits to the Zegars' home.
There, Lisa met a 45-year-old friend of the Zegars, with whom she went on a few dates while still living with Craig Stebic, Zegar said."

I wonder if the hubby found out about the dates? And now he's refused a poly? Doesn't sound good.

This is the part that Bothers me from the article. Why not the Husband?
After she didn't return that night, a neighbor reported her missing the

[Megs]

$20,000 Reward Offered for Information on Missing Illinois Mom


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270657,00.html

Some more info.... it also states that she DID go to work on Monday and that her sons were home when she returned from work.....

[fundiva]

So he SAYS she left to go work out, but we know that she did not arrive there.

I'm wondering what time the kids left to go buy "candy". How long were they gone? Did they see their mother after school that day?

So assuming they did, and everything was fine that afternoon, and they ate dinner, etc, before the kids left and before Lisa "left"....What if they got in an argument, he hit her, realized uh oh, it was fatal or close to it, he was in big trouble regardless....He hides her (In his trunk maybe? What does he drive? Maybe he hides her in her own car?) Anyway, later that night, kids are in bed, nothing is out of the ordinary, since mom usually comes home late anyway, hubby leaves during the night and takes her somewhere. Would the neighbors notice him leaving in the middle of the night? I doubt if I would notice my neighbors if they did anything while I was sleeping. My neighbor works nights and leaves around 11:00pm to go to work, and I just realized I NEVER see her nor hear her car leave.

There is a big window here for him to do whatever with her. I hate to be so suspicious, but this is weird.

And I don't watch the news much, but has he been on at all, except for that first night? Her family (and his) have been pleading for her to come home but has he?

I asked my husband last night what would he do if I went missing, and he admits he'd be extremely distraught but couldn't imagine letting the rest of the family do the footwork in finding me--he'd have to be out there doing all he could, regardless if he was under suspicion. But of course, thankfully, we aren't going through this ordeal, so who knows what someone would do.

Just rambling here....This is not going to have a happy ending.

"HI" to all my neighbors!

Betsy
I heard about the kids being sent out to buy candy on Greta last night too. It didn't say when they left or returned, but the husband was the one that gave them the money and sent them on their way. Has anybody heard whether he was there early or did he go to work that day at all?

[Betsy]

I heard about the kids being sent out to buy candy on Greta last night too. It didn't say when they left or returned, but the husband was the one that gave them the money and sent them on their way. Has anybody heard whether he was there early or did he go to work that day at all?

They were "sent" to buy candy??? Geez....

So my question is...did he give them money to leave the house because he knew what was going to happen...or...did it already happen and he wanted to get rid of them for a little while until he figured out what to do...

In my house, if my kids are watching TV in the basement, they literally have no idea what's happening in the rest of the house...

[drumstick]

Under this link .... images to the right of the page ...
image #14

He appears to have a wound on his righthand, pinky finger.


http://www.nbc5.com/family/13249013/...=headlineclick

I wonder if le checked his hands?

[twinkiesmom]

How far is the DuPage River from this subdivision, and how high is the water level right now?

[Cubby]

Under this link .... images to the right of the page ...
image #14

He appears to have a wound on his righthand, pinky finger.


http://www.nbc5.com/family/13249013/...=headlineclick

I wonder if le checked his hands?


I couldn't find the picture.

[Cubby]

How far is the DuPage River from this subdivision, and how high is the water level right now?

I don't think the rivers are high... I think we are low on rain in the area. I don't know where the DuPage River runs in comparison to the area, but do know there are several quarries in Joliet-we used to swim in them as teenagers-, which is next to south end of Plainfield.

[chicoliving]

I couldn't find the picture.

Try this link and check out slide #2 and #14. I didn't see anything wrong with his pinkie on #2 but I could on #14.

http://www.nbc5.com/slideshow/slideshows/13250522/detail.html

[Cubby]

Try this link and check out slide #2 and #14. I didn't see anything wrong with his pinkie on #2 but I could on #14.

http://www.nbc5.com/slideshow/slideshows/13250522/detail.html

I can see it in # 14 too, but can't quite tell if it's skin scraped off, or a scar.

In regards to her saying she was scared of her husband, and that she was getting counseling from a DV shelter, why didn't she file a report and get a restraining order and get him out of the house? Why wouldn't her dv atty suggest she do so? this is going to sound bad, and I mean no disrespect, but it sounds like she may have not done so due to needing him financially.

[fran]

Same story, over and over and over................

Next step, SW the home and all vehicles!

JMHO
fran

[WindChime]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that in most states if one has been charged and convicted of a felony they are no longer allowed to have weapon's. A news artical states that in 1995 he had 2 felony counts and four misdermeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon.If I'm not mistaken in new's reports police found gun's in their home but that they believe they hadn't be shot for sometime. It still seems to me that he should of been arrest for weapon violations.
But then again they might be holding off on the weapon's violations in hopes of him giving the police information into finding Lisa or like Scott P did going back to the scene of the crime.

[Cubby]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that in most states if one has been charged and convicted of a felony they are no longer allowed to have weapon's. A news artical states that in 1995 he had 2 felony counts and four misdermeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon.If I'm not mistaken in new's reports police found gun's in their home but that they believe they hadn't be shot for sometime. It still seems to me that he should of been arrest for weapon violations.
But then again they might be holding off on the weapon's violations in hopes of him giving the police information into finding Lisa or like Scott P did going back to the scene of the crime.


No you didn't miss it.

In 1995, Craig Stebic was charged with two felony counts of unlawful use of a weapon after police stopped his vehicle about 1,000 feet south of two Lincolnshire schools at 9 in the morning, according to the Tribune.

Police found a 10-gauge double-barrel shotgun, a .44 magnum semi-automatic pistol, a Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle and an AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifle in his 1998 Toyota pickup.

He was also charged with four misdemeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon, operating an unsafe motor vehicle and driving while his license was revoked, according to the Tribune.

Where are Craigs peers? His coworkers? Why haven't we heard from any of them?

[Taximom]

Greta had two people on last night talking about this case-Melanie Greenberg and someone else. I just caught the end when they were saying their "thanks" and good-byes. Didn't see the husband there though. :rolleyes:

I agree with most here-the husband sounds like he holds the answer. I'm glad the kids are old enough to talk and answer questions reasonably.

[gidget641]

What I'm having a hard time understanding is that in most states if one has been charged and convicted of a felony they are no longer allowed to have weapon's. A news artical states that in 1995 he had 2 felony counts and four misdermeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon.If I'm not mistaken in new's reports police found gun's in their home but that they believe they hadn't be shot for sometime. It still seems to me that he should of been arrest for weapon violations.
But then again they might be holding off on the weapon's violations in hopes of him giving the police information into finding Lisa or like Scott P did going back to the scene of the crime.

Here in Illinois there is such a law. If you are CONVICTED of a felony you lose your right to own firearms. To take away his right to own a gun simply on the felony charges would be a violation of his constitutional rights. Has anyone read where he was found guilty on those charges? Because if he was not, he can still own a gun.

And here is another sad fact...even if he was convicted, Lisa can still own a gun herself, keep it in her house where he lives and it is legal. (I know of a man who was convicted of murder, and when he was released had his wife buy all the guns he wanted)

So maybe the reason the police have not arrested him is one of two reasons. 1) He was charged but never convicted. or 2.) The gun is registered to Lisa.

BTW- I never will understand why a person NEEDS an AK-47.

[crash676]

How far is the DuPage River from this subdivision, and how high is the water level right now?

Forget the Dupage River check the Kankakee River area. There are many many places unfortunately that you would never find anyone. I live 10 miles from Plainfield and the Kankakee River and Des Plaines River areas are very woody and the water level is at a high point right now. I am still hoping it does not come to this and she simply decided she needed a break.

[Liz]

POLICE SAY MISSING PLAINFIELD WOMAN'S HUSBAND IS COOPERATING IN ...
May 9, 2007

PLAINFIELD -- Craig Stebic, whose wife Lisa Stebic has made national headlines since she was reported missing May 1, said he is doing everything he can to cooperate with police investigating her disappearance.

~snip~

Craig Stebic, a pipefitter who has not been to work since his wife's disappearance, had a pile of media business cards lined up on his desk, along with a missing person flier with Lisa's picture on it. He didn't answer knocks on the door or telephone calls.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/376748,4_1_JO09_MISSING_S1.article

==================================

Does anyone besides me think it is a bit odd that (according to the above article) the Stebic children continue to attend school each day, but Craig has not been back to work since Lisa's disappearance?

By most reports, the guy hadn't spoken 5 words to his wife in the last five months, but now is so despondent he is unable to go to work? hmmmmm...

[Betsy]

Next he'll be trying to sell the house....

[gidget641]

POLICE SAY MISSING PLAINFIELD WOMAN'S HUSBAND IS COOPERATING IN ...
May 9, 2007

PLAINFIELD -- Craig Stebic, whose wife Lisa Stebic has made national headlines since she was reported missing May 1, said he is doing everything he can to cooperate with police investigating her disappearance.

~snip~

Craig Stebic, a pipefitter who has not been to work since his wife's disappearance, had a pile of media business cards lined up on his desk, along with a missing person flier with Lisa's picture on it. He didn't answer knocks on the door or telephone calls.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/376748,4_1_JO09_MISSING_S1.article

==================================

Does anyone besides me think it is a bit odd that (according to the above article) the Stebic children continue to attend school each day, but Craig has not been back to work since Lisa's disappearance?
By most reports, the guy hadn't spoken 5 words to his wife in the last five months, but now is so despondent he is unable to go to work? hmmmmm...

I do find it odd that he is sending his children to school. God forbid I am ever in a similar situation, my kids would be kept home from school to avoid the media and because I would know they are upset.

[Taximom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270633,00.html

Scroll down to "TOP VIDEO" "Hunt for Lisa Stebic" for Greta's interview video from Lisa's sister and cousin last night.

[WindChime]

Here in Illinois there is such a law. If you are CONVICTED of a felony you lose your right to own firearms. To take away his right to own a gun simply on the felony charges would be a violation of his constitutional rights. Has anyone read where he was found guilty on those charges? Because if he was not, he can still own a gun.

And here is another sad fact...even if he was convicted, Lisa can still own a gun herself, keep it in her house where he lives and it is legal. (I know of a man who was convicted of murder, and when he was released had his wife buy all the guns he wanted)

So maybe the reason the police have not arrested him is one of two reasons. 1) He was charged but never convicted. or 2.) The gun is registered to Lisa.

BTW- I never will understand why a person NEEDS an AK-47.

I'm trying to keep a opened mind here. You are correct at this time we have no proof at this point as to if he was CONVICTED or NOT on these felony charges. But let's say if he was convicted and you are correct Lisa could legally own these guns even with him living in the home. But IMO if she truly did FEAR him why didn't she remove the guns from the home while he was away at work. It seems to me that she would of removed her guns and placed them in safe keeping with a family member since they would of been her guns not his.Gadget I'm not just directing this post at you I'm just asking in general. I know if I truly felt any fear towards my hubby I would not allow any guns in my home and I'd be getting a divorce.I understand that when a couple is getting a divorce it's best to stay in the home until the judge makes his final ruling in the divorce degree. It seems to me if she truly feared him her attorney could of filed a restraining order and had him removed from the home until the final divorce degree and I know of many cases in where the hubby was removed from the home while going through a divorce and the judge rules that the husband is responsible to make the house payments,pay eletric bills, house insurance, car insurance and etc. I totally agree with you 110% who needs a AK-47. Trust me with what I've heard so far through the media I'm leaning towards the hubby but as I said I'm keeping a opened mind because I know how the media can get things wrong and how they like to point fingers to draw in the ratings.

[FactsareFacts]

I'm trying to keep a opened mind here. You are correct at this time we have no proof at this point as to if he was CONVICTED or NOT on these felony charges. But let's say if he was convicted and you are correct Lisa could legally own these guns even with him living in the home. But IMO if she truly did FEAR him why didn't she remove the guns from the home while he was away at work. It seems to me that she would of removed her guns and placed them in safe keeping with a family member since they would of been her guns not his.


I don't know for sure if this is right but a poster at CTV said that even if Craig was found guilty of the gun charges, once his parole expires he can go and pick up his guns from the county lock up. Apparently they have to keep them for him. Anyone here ever heard of this?

[gidget641]

I don't know for sure if this is right but a poster at CTV said that even if Craig was found guilty of the gun charges, once his parole expires he can go and pick up his guns from the county lock up. Apparently they have to keep them for him. Anyone here ever heard of this?

NOT in illinois he can't. Once you are a convicted felon you may not own a gun in Illinois.

[gidget641]

I'm trying to keep a opened mind here. You are correct at this time we have no proof at this point as to if he was CONVICTED or NOT on these felony charges. But let's say if he was convicted and you are correct Lisa could legally own these guns even with him living in the home. But IMO if she truly did FEAR him why didn't she remove the guns from the home while he was away at work. It seems to me that she would of removed her guns and placed them in safe keeping with a family member since they would of been her guns not his.Gadget I'm not just directing this post at you I'm just asking in general. I know if I truly felt any fear for towards my hubby I would not allow any guns in my home. I totally agree with you 110% who needs a AK-47. Trust me with what I've heard so far through the media I'm leaning towards the hubby but as I said I'm keeping a opened mind because I know how the media can get things wrong and how they like to point fingers to draw in the ratings.


If the gun did belong to Lisa, maybe she was so afraid that she felt that she needed it for protection. Not such a wise move, but it would not be the first time a victim of DV bought a gun.

I too am trying to keep an open mind, but it really is not looking good for her hubby. The local news had a trailer that said he filed some sort of motion in court today. So I am trying to find out what that is all about.

[gidget641]

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_129183406.html

[TGIRecovered]

At least the kids are able to talk with social workers while they are at school. They may have information that doesn't seem strange to them but in reality is a valuable clue for LE. I know that my kids the same ages could give LE plenty of info about goings on in our home if I were missing! It is rare that my husband and I get to have an un-interrupted conversation, much less a disagreement, without one of them piping in with a question or offering their own opinion. Those little darlin's can be very annoying sometimes!

By the way...note to Mr. Stebic:

Your lawyer works for you! You can take a poly if you want- doesn't matter if he/she likes it or not. I'm thinking the lawyer could have you take a "practice poly" if he thought you could pass it. You're the boss, buddy. Do the right thing!

Susan

[twinkiesmom]

There's someone posting over on CourtTV who claims to have been friends with Lisa and known the couple.....The story on the guns was he was an avid hunter/outdoorsman, and Lisa was cool with it.

[Liz]

My thoughts exactly, TGI, regarding the kids going to school and the lawyer. I just hope a certain someone isn't reading here and decides the kids are now too traumatized to continue to attend school.

Regarding firearms in the home --- regardless of Illinois law, there are FEDERAL laws prohibiting any firearm in the home of a convicted felon (or even convicted of any crime punishable by more than one year in prison), regardless of whose name they were in. That tells me that most likely Mr. Stebic was not convicted of a felony (or of any crime for which he could be sentenced to more than one year in prison). Either that OR he was in violation of Federal Firearms Regulations, which I highly doubt or he would have been arrested when LE went into the home, and found firearms to be present. (Unless they are like Keystone Cops!)

[WindChime]

Liz as gidget pointed out to me if the husband was convicted of those charges his wife Lisa had every right to own guns it's just the husband who wouldn't be allowed to own any. Gidget again I agree with you if there was only one gun I can understand her maybe wanting to keep it for her own protection. This filing of motion does seem to be a Unusual Legal Action the children's mother is missing the last thing I'd be worried about is filing for custody. I could understand if another family member had filed a petition with the court for custody but at this time they haven't so why file? My hinky meter is leaning me towards the father having something to do with Lisa missing but I'll continue keeping a open mind.

[Liz]

Liz as gidget pointed out to me if the husband was convicted of those charges his wife Lisa had every right to own guns it's just the husband who wouldn't be allowed to own any.

Windchime, I agree. In that case she would have every right to own firearms and keep them at their home, as long as she didn't mind risking sending her husband to prison because of it. Unless her firearms were kept outside of their home, he would be subject to being arrested for violation of a Federal Firearm laws.

I'll check later and see if I can find something on it, but it is just the way the federal law is written.

[WindChime]

Liz thank you for your reply I had no ideal that she would be risking her husband going to jail if the gun's were registered to her with any Federal laws. Thank you for searching for that information. It is confusing to me I guess. LOL

[Taximom]

Well, I heard on Nancy Grace tonight that the husband is refusing to take a lie detector test.

Transcript from segment tonight:
Very quickly, we are going to Chicago. A young mom disappears. Take a listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is Plainfield`s first missing persons case in more than a decade. The state police and FBI are assisting in the search. Right now there`s little to go on. Her car was left at home, and Stebic`s estranged husband, who still lived with her, told police that Lisa allegedly left around 6:00 Monday night to go to the high school fitness center.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was Monday. She left home here, supposedly to go work out. And as far as I know, somebody picked her up, and, come Tuesday morning to go to work, she wasn`t here. And none of her friends have seen her.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

GRACE: Joining us tonight in the mystery surrounding the missing mom, Michele Fiore with WBBM News Radio 780. What happened?

MICHELE FIORE, REPORTER, WBBM: Well, the latest information I have for you, Nancy, is that I did speak to Plainfield police this afternoon, and they tell me that tips are now coming into their department. And that is significant, because over the weekend, when I first met with the deputy police chief, he told me they had nothing at that point. They were desperate for leads. And now they`re finally coming into the station. He says any lead, even saying one that may seem insignificant to people, can be just the tip that they`re looking for, and that can help bring Lisa Stebic home to her family.

GRACE: Jean, what were the circumstances of her disappearance?

JEAN CASAREZ, COURT TV: Well, it was April 30th was the last time that she was seen. And she works at a school cafeteria, so she reported for work that day. They saw her. Her husband is the last one that says he saw her late in the afternoon on April 30th.

He said that she normally would leave in the evening to go do exercise. She`d come back 10:30 or 11:00. She was never seen again. Her children, though, her two children have the same story that the father has, that the last time that they saw their mother was late that afternoon.

GRACE: So to you, Michele Fiore, with 780 WBBM News Radio, both children who were allegedly out buying some candy, the father says he was working in the yard when she went jogging, or to work out, they back up the dad`s claim he saw her at 6:00 p.m.?

FIORE: We have not spoken with the children at this point.

GRACE: I`m sorry, I couldn`t hear you. Repeat?

FIORE: We have not spoken with the children at this point.

GRACE: What can you tell me about the husband refusing a polygraph, Michele Fiore?

FIORE: You know what? Craig Stebic declined to take a polygraph test that was offered to him by the Plainfield Police Department. It was on the advice of his attorney, who is also his divorce attorney in the proceedings that he filed against Lisa Stebic this past January. Police tell us that, besides Craig, other family members and acquaintances of Lisa have also been offered a polygraph test. They would not tell me exactly how many have taken it or if any have taken it at this point.

GRACE: And very quickly, Jean Casarez, is there a reward?

CASAREZ: There is. Her family and friends, $20,000. I think the unusual thing about this case, Nancy, her cell phone, her credit cards, they haven`t been used since that April 30th date.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/09/ng.01.html

[Liz]

You're welcome, Windchime. It's not just you ... the laws are confusing. Here is the easiest explanation I found of what I was trying to express:

"However, federal law is much stricter. It generally prohibits a person convicted of a crime "punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" from possessing a firearm. The test is the length of possible punishment, not whether the crime is called a misdemeanor or a felony. No exception is made for having a firearm at the home, no matter how long ago the conviction. 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)."

Source: http://www.burger.com/gunfaq02.htm

[OneLostGrl]

I am a convicted felon and when we moved in with my FIL he had to move his guns out of his home or I would be commiting a crime- I would be a felon in possession of a firearm! When the word "possession" is used, it includes things in your home, your car, your purse, etc etc..


Here is a great link.. http://library.findlaw.com/2003/Mar/1/189956.html

"When can I get my gun rights back now that I have finished serving my time?" Hopefully the client has the sense to even ask the question because some individuals rush out to get their weapons the moment their sentence has expired.

The better practice is for attorneys to be sure that clients who are subject to criminal prosecution are aware of firearm limitations. The limitations come in two flavors: state and federal and, as it says in the song, "if the left one don't getcha, then the right one will."

Where a person is under indictment for a felony - even before they are convicted - it is unlawful to acquire firearms.(1) This little-known provision must be impressed on all clients lest they run afoul of serious criminal sanctions for purchasing a shotgun to go duck hunting...."


Although the title and latter part of the link discusses Tennessee law, most of it applies to federal and "state" laws in general.

Hope this helps!

[Liz]

Thanks, OneLostGirl! I appreciate your stating the facts, as you know them.

[chicoliving]

MICHELE FIORE, REPORTER, WBBM: Well, the latest information I have for you, Nancy, is that I did speak to Plainfield police this afternoon, and they tell me that tips are now coming into their department. And that is significant, because over the weekend, when I first met with the deputy police chief, he told me they had nothing at that point. They were desperate for leads. And now they`re finally coming into the station. He says any lead, even saying one that may seem insignificant to people, can be just the tip that they`re looking for, and that can help bring Lisa Stebic home to her family.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/09/ng.01.html

I wonder just who those tips are concerning. Tips on Lisa or tips on Craig?

[Liz]

Family, Friends Gather To Remember Missing Woman

Family Meets With Police, Husband

POSTED: 6:39 pm CDT May 9, 2007
UPDATED: 11:09 pm CDT May 9, 2007

CHICAGO ~snipped~ Approximately 100 family and friends attended the vigil, bringing tokens of remembrance for Stebic, NBC5's Amy Jacobson reported.

Jacobson also reported that Stebic's family met with both the Plainfield police and the FBI. The family then went to Stebic's home, where they met with her husband Craig and the couple's two children.

~snip~

Joe Stebic, Craig's father, said his son has told him that he had nothing to do with the disappearance.

"That's what he told me, I asked him yesterday," Stebic said. "I have to believe him -- he's my son."

More:
http://www.nbc5.com/news/13290057/detail.html


Joe Stebic's statement above comes off to me as if he's not really all that convinced about his son's innocence. That's my take on it, anyway.

[chicoliving]

Jacobson reported that authorities would search nearby retention ponds on Thursday.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/13290057/detail.html

Wow. Wonder if there is a lead to cause them to do this?

[Liz]

MICHELE FIORE, REPORTER, WBBM: Well, the latest information I have for you, Nancy, is that I did speak to Plainfield police this afternoon, and they tell me that tips are now coming into their department. And that is significant, because over the weekend, when I first met with the deputy police chief, he told me they had nothing at that point. They were desperate for leads. And now they`re finally coming into the station. He says any lead, even saying one that may seem insignificant to people, can be just the tip that they`re looking for, and that can help bring Lisa Stebic home to her family.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0705/09/ng.01.html

I wonder just who those tips are concerning. Tips on Lisa or tips on Craig?


Well my first thought was that they were probably concerning the friends that said Lisa had told them if anything ever happened to her to look at Craig.

Then I shuddered as I recalled the last sentence of the link I just posted, which states:

"(NBC5's Amy) Jacobson reported that authorities would search nearby retention ponds on Thursday."


That's sad to think about. :(

[OneLostGrl]

Family, Friends Gather To Remember Missing Woman

Family Meets With Police, Husband

POSTED: 6:39 pm CDT May 9, 2007
UPDATED: 11:09 pm CDT May 9, 2007

CHICAGO ~snipped~ Approximately 100 family and friends attended the vigil, bringing tokens of remembrance for Stebic, NBC5's Amy Jacobson reported.

Jacobson also reported that Stebic's family met with both the Plainfield police and the FBI. The family then went to Stebic's home, where they met with her husband Craig and the couple's two children.

~snip~

Joe Stebic, Craig's father, said his son has told him that he had nothing to do with the disappearance.

"That's what he told me, I asked him yesterday," Stebic said. "I have to believe him -- he's my son."

More:
http://www.nbc5.com/news/13290057/detail.html


Joe Stebic's statement above comes off to me as if he's not really all that convinced about his son's innocence. That's my take on it, anyway.

I agree with you! The way he says "I have to believe him -- he's my son."- seems like he may have doubts!

[Liz]

Jacobson reported that authorities would search nearby retention ponds on Thursday.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/13290057/detail.html

Wow. Wonder if there is a lead to cause them to do this?


Ahhh, I went back to the link to get the quote and then addressed your post on the previous page without previewing. Seems like we're on the same wave length though.

[chicoliving]

Ahhh, I went back to the link to get the quote and then addressed your post on the previous page without previewing. Seems like we're on the same wave length though.


It seems a logical step with a child. Maybe too with an adult that was last seen near one or along a jogging path or something? Maybe its just the next step?? It sounds as if they've covered quite a bit of ground although I'm not sure where I read that.

[Liz]

It seems a logical step with a child. Maybe too with an adult that was last seen near one or along a jogging path or something? Maybe its just the next step?? It sounds as if they've covered quite a bit of ground although I'm not sure where I read that.


Hopefully, maybe someone saw her IF she did make it to go jogging. But from what we've been privy to up until now, the last known person to see her was Craig.

[Bobbisangel]

Why in the world did he wait until 10:00 am the next morning? He thought she just went to exercise...that doesn't take all night. Nancy Grace covered this story tonight and if I remember right he said she always left late at night to go exercise...maybe my memory is failing me though but I thought that is what he said because I thought that was an odd time to leave to exercise.

In the article about his felonys.......


In 1995, Craig Stebic was charged with two felony counts of unlawful use of a weapon after police stopped his vehicle about 1,000 feet south of two Lincolnshire schools at 9 in the morning, according to the Tribune.

Police found a 10-gauge double-barrel shotgun, a .44 magnum semi-automatic pistol, a Ruger Mini-14 assault rifle and an AK-47 semi-automatic assault rifle in his 1998 Toyota pickup.

He was also charged with four misdemeanor counts of unlawful use of a weapon, operating an unsafe motor vehicle and driving while his license was revoked, according to the Tribune.


Look at the type of guns he had with him :confused: :eek: Why would he have those types of guns with him in his vehicle????? This guy doesn't sound like your upstanding citizen to me. I wonder why his license had been revoked. Unlawful use of a weapon....was he shooting at something?

[WindChime]

The search for Stebic: "Our hearts are broken'

Good Morning
Thursday, May 10, 2007STNG NEWS ALERTS ::
TOP STORIES :: NEWS » BUSINESS » SPORTS » ENTERTAINMENT »

Lisa Stebic's sister Jamie Bouma (from front left), cousin Mark Greenberg, sister Debbie Ruttenberg, daughter Alexis Stebic, husband Craig Stebic and son Zac Stebic comfort one another during a vigil for the missing Plainfield woman Wednesday evening near the Stebics' home. MICHAEL R. SCHMIDT/STAFF PHOTOGRAPHERThe search for Stebic: "Our hearts are broken'
More than a week after Lisa Stebic was reported missing, friends, family and well-wishers gathered at a park near her house Wednesday evening to hold a vigil for her safe return. "Our hearts are broken. It's tearing up every one of us," said Lisa's sister, Debbie Ruttenberg. Stebic, 37, has been missing from her Plainfield home since April 30.http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/plainfieldsun/index.html

[WindChime]

Husband files for custody of couple's kids

May 10, 2007
By JANET LUNDQUIST Staff Writer
JOLIET -- Fearing his estranged and missing wife may intend to return, swoop up their children and disappear again, Craig Stebic on Wednesday filed an emergency motion for temporary custody of his two kids.

"We don't know what's going on," said Dion Davi, Stebic's attorney, speaking to Will County Circuit Court Judge Joseph Polito.

"We don't know if Lisa has performed a disappearing act and is planning to come back and take the children," Davi said. "The kids potentially are in danger of being taken away from their father."


RELATED STORIES
• Vigil for missing mom: 'Our hearts are broken'
Lisa Stebic of Plainfield was reported missing May 1. The 37-year-old was last seen about 6 p.m. April 30 at her Red Star Drive home.
Her car is still at home. There has been no activity on her cell phone or credit cards since April 30. Police said Wednesday there is still no sign of foul play, no suspects in her disappearance and no leads on her whereabouts.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/379472,4_1_JO10_VIGIL_S2.article

[twinkiesmom]

Here's why they're searching the ponds:

snip:
They say Lisa told them Craig threatened on several occasions that he would kill her and nobody would find her.

"I've heard her say, 'If anything ever happened to me, look towards Craig,'" said Amer Zegar, who, along with his wife, hosted Lisa and her two children at his home several times since January. "I don't want to blame someone who's innocent. (But) we're scared, we really are."

http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/local_story_130073345.html

The police must believe he got rid of her while the kids were at the store. They're starting to search close to the house.

[2luvmy]

I think it is so odd that he files for custody of the kids. He's still trying to make her look bad in the media. No matter how much I dislike my DD's father, I wouldn't be slamming him in the media.

If my spouse went missing, I wouldn't be thinking of custody issues.

[TGIRecovered]

I think it is so odd that he files for custody of the kids. He's still trying to make her look bad in the media. No matter how much I dislike my DD's father, I wouldn't be slamming him in the media.

If my spouse went missing, I wouldn't be thinking of custody issues.


You probably wouldn't murder him and dump his dead body in a retention pond either!;)

Susan

[spring]

is the timeline that the children saw her before they went to the store and when they got back she was gone? so he had all night to hide her?

[Liz]

I don't think I'd need to be accompanied by my lawyer to attend my missing spouse's vigil. Gee, that's just plain tacky!

But, I'm trying to keep an open mind! :cool:

[Liz]

Link to the transcript from May 8th's On The Record, in which Greta speaks with Lisa's sister Debbie, and their cousin, Melanie:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,271074,00.html

[strach304]

I've been following this on the ctv board. I looked for it here last night in the missing forum, found it this morning. I'm glad we have the case here.

[twinkiesmom]

<<I don't think I'd need to be accompanied by my lawyer to attend my missing spouse's vigil. Gee, that's just plain tacky!

But, I'm trying to keep an open mind! >>

But if you're filing for sole custody on the day of your wife's vigil, it'd be rude not to ask the lawyer back to the neighborhood for the reception.

[strach304]

I don't care what that clown says or tries to make people believe, she didn't willingly walk away from her children imo. If she wanted to leave I'm sure she would have taken the kids.

That ad she posted or was supposed to have shows the last time accessed was April 11th. With no contacts by e-mail or phone to her how does he expect that story to be believable? How was he even aware of her ad since they weren't speaking? He wasn't because he placed that ad to create an unknown stranger imo.

[strach304]

Did you all see the video placed on her website? I didn't see it here and I read all 5 pages. Just in case;

http://www.findlisastebic.com/

[Liz]

But if you're filing for sole custody on the day of your wife's vigil, it'd be rude not to ask the lawyer back to the neighborhood for the reception.


Gosh, you're right -- that completely slipped my mind. (I shoulda had a V-8! lol) :banghead:


Thanks for posting that link to the (really good) article in post #111, twinkiesmom. I cut the snippet below from it:

CBS 2 Legal Analyst Irv Miller said Craig Stebic had made some errors in judgment.

"His first big mistake was to refuse a polygraph,"

Miller said. "His second is trying to take kids away from mother even though she's not around."

On Wednesday, neither Craig Stebic nor his attorney wanted to discuss his sole custody motion directly.

"The focus does not need to be on him," said Dion Davi, Craig's attorney. "We need to use every [bit] of man power we have in finding Lisa."

:rolleyes: Then why not have your client take the polygraph Mr. Davi, so LE can get some answers they need to focus on finding Lisa!

[Liz]

Did you all see the video placed on her website? I didn't see it here and I read all 5 pages. Just in case;

http://www.findlisastebic.com/


Glad you found us!

Can you (or someone) give a brief synopsis of what's on the video for those of us who are unable to view it? Purty please? ;)

[gidget641]

Has anyone gone to the message board on the www.findlisastebic.com web-site?

It is just sickening the trash that people are posting there. It is a board for prayers and kind thoughts for the family and people are just posting disrespectful garbage. One idiot even said he would meet up with lisa because "she wasn't getting any at home"

I just cant believe how awful people are being. If I were the family I would shut that part of the site down before some kid that goes to school with lisa's kids repeats some of that trash to them.

[Liz]

I've read some of it gidget, and I agree that the site should be respected for what Lisa's family established it for - prayers and well wishes.

There are plenty of other places that people can post their accusations and other garbage.

Craig's sister Jill was just on the phone with Martha (Fox - Live Desk) and said one of the reasons Craig filed for sole custody of the children was to lure Lisa home. :rolleyes: GMAB!

[twinkiesmom]

You know what...The message board is trash, but did you see the telling bits of info questioning where Craig's brother was and asking about the northern cabin...

They're smart to put up a message board because some people will only come forth with information anonymously.

The whole thing can be dumped once she's found one way or another. If there's a funeral, there will be a new board where you can screen out the fruits and nuts. If my family member was missing and I needed the public's help, I'd say bring it on.

[Liz]

I missed that, twinkiesmom. I didn't know he had a brother. I didn't know he had a sister either, till I just heard her on Fox with Martha McCallum.

[gidget641]

I've read some of it gidget, and I agree that the site should be respected for what Lisa's family established it for - prayers and well wishes.

There are plenty of other places that people can post their accusations and other garbage.

Craig's sister Jill was just on the phone with Martha (Fox - Live Desk) and said one of the reasons Craig filed for sole custody of the children was to lure Lisa home. :rolleyes: GMAB!

While still trying to keep an open mind, (I really am leaning towards hubby having something to do with the fact that lisa is missing) I will say this...

Lets just say that Craig had nothing to do with lisa disappearing. I would say that filing for custody would be a good way to lure her home. And if she does not turn up before the hearing, and does not go to the hearing I would say he PROVED she can't come home on her own.

Now back from fantasy island...IMO he is most likely guilty as all get out. He has not admitted that to his attorney, and his attorney was probably the one to advise him to file for custody as a way to get lisa to come home.

[Liz]

I can see it from that point of view, too, Gidget. But, I don't really believe it. His other reason was that he was afraid Lisa might come home and grab the kids and take off. Wonder what his basis for that fear was?

I was really glad that the judge denied Craig's request for sole custody of "her" children (as he often referred to them, according to news reports).

[strach304]

Glad you found us!

Can you (or someone) give a brief synopsis of what's on the video for those of us who are unable to view it? Purty please? ;)

Pics of Lisa and music as a tribute type thing. It gives the details of her case and contact info. etc.

[strach304]

While still trying to keep an open mind, (I really am leaning towards hubby having something to do with the fact that lisa is missing) I will say this...

Lets just say that Craig had nothing to do with lisa disappearing. I would say that filing for custody would be a good way to lure her home. And if she does not turn up before the hearing, and does not go to the hearing I would say he PROVED she can't come home on her own.

Now back from fantasy island...IMO he is most likely guilty as all get out. He has not admitted that to his attorney, and his attorney was probably the one to advise him to file for custody as a way to get lisa to come home.

There are several angles to that such as he wants to make it appear that he believes Lisa has run off and have LE think that. If he really had nothing to do with it or no knowledge why file for custody if she were abducted or something by a stranger and obviously unable to come home and snatch the kids from him.

[Liz]

Thanks, Strach! :)

I just found this:

Timeline of events in case of Lisa Stebic's disappearance
May 10, 2007

More than a week has passed since a Plainfield mother of two vanished without a trace from her home on Red Star Drive. The search continues for 37-year-old Lisa Stebic, who was reported missing May 1.

The Sun has compiled this list of key events leading up to and since Lisa Stebic's disappearance from reports published this week. Some of the entries reflect conflicting accounts of events from family, friends and authorities, which are marked in italics.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/379674,6_1_NA10_MISSING_S2.article

[HesterMofet]

I hate to say this, but if I were a suspect in someone's disappearance and I were innocent, I still wouldn't take a polygraph. There's a reason that they are not admissible in court -- they are not totally reliable. Sociopaths who are guilty of crimes can pass them and those who "feel responsible", even if innocent of the crime, can come across as guilty.

The general public sees "he wouldn't take a polygraph" and immediately think the person is guilty, when it might not be so.

That being said, there's enough other hinky behavior here to make me think that the husband's got involvement in this.

[strach304]

Thanks Liz.

[MIO]

Upon seeing this on the news today, (I've been working alot of hours lately) I was just floored! Back in February Shelly Misinay went "missing". The day following her "leaving" her husband filed for custody of the kids. That didn't make a lick of sense to me. They were still married and living together, yet during this time when he should have been concentrating on finding his wife, he instead filed for custody of their two children. The reason he gave was EXACTLY the same reason Lisa's husband gave, in case she returned and tried to take the kids from him. She left with her cell phone, on foot. Same as Shelly. Shelly's husband also made up some story about someone picking her up. Shelly was found 18 days later less than a mile from their home sitting in a cemetary. The death was ruled a suicide because she was loaded with pain killers, none of them hers, and had "suicide letters" on her. Her case remains unsolved, despite the suicide ruling. The two cases are so identical, but it just makes me cry that Shelly's story didn't make national news. I wonder if Greta would be interested in looking into this case which is becoming cold. I apologize for rambling, but Shelly's kids are still with the husband, Shelly would never have left her kids in his care. She is not resting in peace, and won't until justice is served.

[Liz]

YW, strach! :)


I hate to say this, but if I were a suspect in someone's disappearance and I were innocent, I still wouldn't take a polygraph. There's a reason that they are not admissible in court -- they are not totally reliable. Sociopaths who are guilty of crimes can pass them and those who "feel responsible", even if innocent of the crime, can come across as guilty.

The general public sees "he wouldn't take a polygraph" and immediately think the person is guilty, when it might not be so.

That being said, there's enough other hinky behavior here to make me think that the husband's got involvement in this.


I pretty much agree with what you stated, but I would still like to see Craig take the polygraph.

If people are already looking at him as being guilty (and he stated he feels the police are), what harm could it do? If he fails it, I don't think he will look any guiltier than he does by refusing to take it. Imo, refusing only makes it appear as if he's got something to hide. (Yet, I can still understand him not wanting to take it. I know - :crazy: )


Something that gets my hinky meter going, is that (If I'm not mistaken) on Tuesday morning, just as normal, he sends the kids off to school (who I would think would be very concerned about their mother not being at home as she normally was, to go to work as she always did). Yet Craig, who admittedly had not spoken more than 5 words to her in 5 months, is sooo concerned (even though one of the reports stated Lisa had stayed out all night, once in December) that he felt the necessity to stay home from work. Why?

I question why he would be that concerned, if she had stayed out all night once before, that he would not go into work, as usual.

[MIO]

Have they checked her cell phone to see if any calls have been made to or from since the time she went missing? I was glad to see that the judge denied the husband custody of the kids, he must think something is fishy too. I know alot of moms that work at their kid's school in the cafeteria. These moms do this at a very low rate of pay, but it is because they want to have the same schedules as their kids. They are able to help with homework, driving them places, all in all very involved, devoted moms. I do not know Lisa, but she doesn't strike me as someone who would leave her kids. Most women will not leave their kids. Does anyone know if the husband attended the prayer vigil?

[FactsareFacts]

Have they checked her cell phone to see if any calls have been made to or from since the time she went missing? I was glad to see that the judge denied the husband custody of the kids, he must think something is fishy too. I know alot of moms that work at their kid's school in the cafeteria. These moms do this at a very low rate of pay, but it is because they want to have the same schedules as their kids. They are able to help with homework, driving them places, all in all very involved, devoted moms. I do not know Lisa, but she doesn't strike me as someone who would leave her kids. Most women will not leave their kids. Does anyone know if the husband attended the prayer vigil?

Her cell phone has not been used since she went missing they said and credit cards and bank cards have not been used either. Her husband attended the vigil last night with his divorce attorney. Lisa's family was all dressed up but Craig was wearing jeans and a golf shirt.

[MIO]

Her cell phone has not been used since she went missing they said and credit cards and bank cards have not been used either. Her husband attended the vigil last night with his divorce attorney. Lisa's family was all dressed up but Craig was wearing jeans and a golf shirt.

When Shelly Misinay went "missing", her husband said she left with her cell phone. It had not been used either, actually starting 2 days before she went "missing". He had not called her even once. If Lisa's husband hasn't even tried calling her once, it is because the cell phone is either at their house, in his possession, or he ditched it somewhere. Shelly's phone was not found on her. Shelly's husband attended the last 5 minutes of her vigil, wearing jeans and a flannel shirt and wearing a knit hat. Very similar cases. What did Craig need his attorney for at the vigil?

[HesterMofet]

Her cell phone has not been used since she went missing they said and credit cards and bank cards have not been used either. Her husband attended the vigil last night with his divorce attorney. Lisa's family was all dressed up but Craig was wearing jeans and a golf shirt.

Now I wouldn't say the clothes were an indication of anything. My husband wears only jeans and polos unless there is a funeral or a job interview. :)

Can they check to see if there were incoming calls on her cell? I mean, could they look to see if the husband had tried to call her on the cell and left messages? I would think that was very telling if there were no calls from him on there. If my husband were missing, I'd be calling and texting like mad wondering where he was. I know that's no evidence that he didn't do it, but it would certainly raise my suspicions if he never tried to call.

My mom was lucky enough to be a lunch lady while I was in school. I was glad to be able to have my mom home with me. Whomever said lunch ladies are usually devoted to their children is true.

[strach304]

YW, strach! :)





I pretty much agree with what you stated, but I would still like to see Craig take the polygraph.

If people are already looking at him as being guilty (and he stated he feels the police are), what harm could it do? If he fails it, I don't think he will look any guiltier than he does by refusing to take it. Imo, refusing only makes it appear as if he's got something to hide. (Yet, I can still understand him not wanting to take it. I know - :crazy: )


Something that gets my hinky meter going, is that (If I'm not mistaken) on Tuesday morning, just as normal, he sends the kids off to school (who I would think would be very concerned about their mother not being at home as she normally was, to go to work as she always did). Yet Craig, who admittedly had not spoken more than 5 words to her in 5 months, is sooo concerned (even though one of the reports stated Lisa had stayed out all night, once in December) that he felt the necessity to stay home from work. Why?

I question why he would be that concerned, if she had stayed out all night once before, that he would not go into work, as usual.

Liz, where did you see that he stayed home on Tuesday? I ask because I have wanted to know that and haven't seen it reported. That makes a big difference in when he may have disposed of her body if he did kill her. Seems like work called her house maybe to report to Craig she hadn't come to work so he reported it to police at 10:00 am?

[strach304]

HesterMofet, the incoming calls are a good idea. He should've tried that first before calling LE so we'll see I guess. LE can get that info.

[Betsy]

Does her family live nearby? I would think he would have called them first, or maybe her best friend first, before assuming she was "missing"...How about hospitals?

[WindChime]

I hate to say but after watching Nancy Grace tonight I'm no longer keeping a open mind regarding Craig. The police said the case has come to a stand still because he will NOT corporate with police nor will he allow the police to question the children. My hinky meter just blow off the board.

[WindChime]

The next day that Lisa was missing Criag asked the neighbors if they had seen his wife and they had not and they are the one's that called the police not Craig.

[WindChime]

I will continue checking for Nancy Graces transcripts of tonights show. May 10th and I will post the transcripts and the link as soon as they are posted on cnn headline news.

[Taximom]

I hate to say but after watching Nancy Grace tonight I'm no longer keeping a open mind regarding Craig. The police said the case has come to a stand still because he will NOT corporate with police nor will he allow the police to question the children. My hinky meter just blow off the board.

I'm with you, WindChime.

My hinky meter is tired of going off. :(

[strach304]

I think he co-operated just long enough to give LE what he wanted them to have. He didn't shoot her so no problems with handing over the guns. The children probably backed up his story that she was home and went out while they were at the store. He gladly handed over the computer and made sure he told them about the ad he says she placed.

I think someone made him aware that his stories aren't sounding very credible and could come back to haunt him. The way the phoney jerk has been acting I don't think he figured out on his own that noone believes him.

[strach304]

I will continue checking for Nancy Graces transcripts of tonights show. May 10th and I will post the transcripts and the link as soon as they are posted on cnn headline news.

Thanks. :)

[Taximom]

I think he co-operated just long enough to give LE what he wanted them to have. He didn't shoot her so no problems with handing over the guns. The children probably backed up his story that she was home and went out while they were at the store. He gladly handed over the computer and made sure he told them about the ad he says she placed.

I think someone made him aware that his stories aren't sounding very credible and could come back to haunt him. The way the phoney jerk has been acting I don't think he figured out on his own that noone believes him.

Strach, I think you are spot on.

I also wonder if the children really saw their mom, or if he told them "mom's laying down in the bedroom (or whatever) and doesn't want to be disturbed-go buy some candy."

Can someone here from around that area explain where they think the children might have been sent (I'm assuming by walking) to get candy? I wonder how long that trip would take?

Some Mother's Day this is going to be for those children...

[WindChime]

I have been asked by a few members about getting Lisa Stebic own forum up and going I'm not going to promise but I'm working on trying to get our own forum.

[Liz]

Hey Strach - I just saw your post and I'll try to find the article!

[WindChime]

Nancy Grace's May 10th, 07 Transcripts.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: In the Chicago suburbs of Painfield (ph), Illinois, 37-year-old mom Lisa Stebic reportedly heads out for a routine jog and hasn`t been seen since. Friends and family believe something is very wrong, saying the devoted mother of two, popular in the community, would not leave her 10-year-old and 12-year-old behind. A multi-law enforcement team, including Painfield police, force (ph) reserve officers and the fire department, search nearby Lake Brunwed (ph) and the shoreline for clues.

Stebic`s estranged husband, the last person to reportedly see her before she vanishes, not only refusing a polygraph but files an emergency motion for