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outofthedark
05-04-2007, 11:06 PM
The Doe Network:
Case File 773UMCA

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/773UMCA.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/773UMCA1.jpghttp://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/773UMCA2.jpg


Unidentified White Male

The victim was discovered on November 26, 1983 in San Mateo County, California
estimated Date of death: November 25, 1983

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 19 - 25 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 5'10-5'11"; 140 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: Short, brown hair; hazel eyes. No marks/tattoos.
Dentals: Available
Clothing: Female clothing. Light yellow, knee-length "clam diggers". Light yellow jacket. Multicolored turtleneck T-shirt. Black, nylon net stockings. Brown-colored pantyhose. Blue, bikini-style underpants (size small) "North Beach". Beige-colored lace underpants. Beige-colored bra and sponge "falsies".
Jewelry: White metal necklace with crucifix pendant. Two white metal rings.
Fingerprints: Available

Case History
The victim was located on November 26, 1983, at approximately 0833 hours, on Lower Pillar Point / Ocean Beach in Half Moon Bay.

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
San Mateo County Coroner's Office
650-312-5562
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
83-1063
NCIC Number:
U-598424712
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
San Mateo County Coroner's Office (http://www.co.sanmateo.ca.us/smc/department/home/0,,5007147_5069836_608831968,00.html)

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/773umca.html

I wonder if this guy was a cross dresser or had a fetish for women's clothes :confused:

timetravel
05-05-2007, 02:30 AM
no mention of cause of death, hmmmm......wonder if it was one of those accidental suicides that happen while trying to get off???? Or did someone else force him to dress this way????

outofthedark
05-05-2007, 02:54 AM
I'm thinking that he might have been working as a "drag queen" because of the bra and falsies

Kat
07-07-2011, 09:59 PM
http://www.hmbreview.com/community/article_78fde97e-a8b9-11e0-9231-001cc4c002e0.html

Still on the case
Grant-funded DNA research could shine new light on cold cases


Posted: Thursday, July 7, 2011 9:44 am | Updated: 9:52 am, Thu Jul 7, 2011
By Lily Bixler

This John Doe mentioned in article.

Ambercat
07-08-2011, 03:10 AM
no mention of cause of death

According to the article Kat provided the link to, it says his death was a homicide.

lymom3
07-08-2011, 03:36 AM
I was just in Half Moon Bay yesterday. Such a nice little town.

Ambercat
11-19-2012, 05:52 PM
Harold Lawson went missing from San Francisco on February 3, 1983 and wears women's clothing. There are some discrepancies between the two, but he went missing from about 30 miles away and was known to dress as a woman (I don't think this is a very common trait).
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/image.aspx?img_id=4679314732507mp1.jpg&width=200
http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4679314732507

DylansMom34
11-20-2012, 08:19 PM
I think maybe this was a young man and perhaps not even a "known" cross dresser...

http://www.nampn.org/cases/borthwick_jeffrey.html

Not so sure about Jeffrey, he went missing quite some time earlier, more than a year.

LovinTK
11-21-2012, 10:40 AM
Has anyone looked at Norman Creech? His hairline is exactly the same and the eyes look similar to the reconstruction. Also take a look at the dates.

http://charleyproject.org/cases/c/creech_norman.html

Donjeta
11-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Norman Creech looks a lot like the UID.

The UID and Norman Creech both have fingerprints entered in Namus.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10528
https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/7069

LovinTK
11-21-2012, 11:35 AM
Thanks Donjeta. I just sent off an e-mail to Mrs. Sutherland. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this could possibly be Norman.

LovinTK
11-21-2012, 11:39 AM
Also the clothing could have been to throw off police or the men that were beating Norman the night he went missing might have been attacking him as some sort of hate crime. You never know.

The hairline is so exact, the other features so similar, and when I saw the date I knew I had to contact someone.

LovinTK
11-21-2012, 01:03 PM
Update:

I received an e-mail from Carrie Sutherland who thanked me and said that she would look into it. Fingers crossed!

Ambercat
11-21-2012, 07:00 PM
Also the clothing could have been to throw off police or the men that were beating Norman the night he went missing might have been attacking him as some sort of hate crime. You never know.

The hairline is so exact, the other features so similar, and when I saw the date I knew I had to contact someone.

I know that this was fiction, but I vaguely remember my mom watching a BBC mystery on tv where the father hated the son because he wasn't his real son and the product of his wife's affair. He killed him and dressed him as a woman because he didn't like the young man. I guess something like that could have happened (not that the he is the product of an affair, that someone put him in drag because they hated him).

LovinTK
11-22-2012, 01:10 AM
I could see something like that too, a couple of guys dressing him like that to humiliate him.

I'm really hoping this is a match. I haven't heard back from Mrs. Sutherland but I'm guessing that it shouldn't take long to compare fingerprints. My goal is always to give someone back their name and send them home.

Donjeta
11-22-2012, 12:00 PM
I wonder what the bra and the sponge falsies are like. If it was a bra with proper pockets for professional-like falsies it might have been more likely to be someone who dressed like that for his own pleasure or because he was a drag artist. If it's just someone who dresses a dead person up to humiliate him post-mortem they might not be as likely to invest money in proper drag lingerie but grab just some random clothes, and get some makeshift stuffing for the bra. I also think they might go for something more showy and hooker-ish than a turtleneck t-shirt and clam diggers if the intention is to humiliate. Maybe just dump him in his underwear. But I haven't seen his clothes and the effect they made with the net stockings, and I guess someone could steal underwear with pockets from his mom or get them from a thrift shop and the outer clothing could be whatever feminine attire an ex gf left in his apartment or something.

Ambercat
11-22-2012, 04:54 PM
I wonder what the bra and the sponge falsies are like. If it was a bra with proper pockets for professional-like falsies it might have been more likely to be someone who dressed like that for his own pleasure or because he was a drag artist. If it's just someone who dresses a dead person up to humiliate him post-mortem they might not be as likely to invest money in proper drag lingerie but grab just some random clothes, and get some makeshift stuffing for the bra. I also think they might go for something more showy and hooker-ish than a turtleneck t-shirt and clam diggers if the intention is to humiliate. Maybe just dump him in his underwear. But I haven't seen his clothes and the effect they made with the net stockings, and I guess someone could steal underwear with pockets from his mom or get them from a thrift shop and the outer clothing could be whatever feminine attire an ex gf left in his apartment or something.

Seeing the clothing (and how it fit him) would really help to tell if these are the victim's clothes because he cross-dressed sometimes or if the clothing did not actually belong to the victim. It seems like a lot of the time when men dress as women, they wear something with a turtleneck to cover their adam's apple.

Herding Cats
11-22-2012, 11:58 PM
Donjeta, I was thinking the same thing...that the presence of a set of falsies tends to indicate (at least to me) that someone had taken some care in the presentation of themselves to the outside world (even if the outside world was just the bedroom mirror). It is not something done in a casual way...

Best-
Herding Cats

carbuff
11-24-2012, 01:18 AM
Seeing the clothing (and how it fit him) would really help to tell if these are the victim's clothes because he cross-dressed sometimes or if the clothing did not actually belong to the victim. It seems like a lot of the time when men dress as women, they wear something with a turtleneck to cover their adam's apple.

I was going to mention that about the adam's apple and the turtleneck. The small tight underwear with a second layer over it, under a looser fitting style of pants, also sounds like somebody with some practice in hiding his male attributes.

LovinTK
11-28-2012, 04:23 AM
Update: I sent another e-mail to Carrie Sutherland to see if there was any word on this case and this is the response I received...

I forwarded it to the proper experts. Normally it takes a few days to compare the cases and with the holiday and people taking time off work, it may take a little longer.



I generally tell the public, that I can’t share the results of comparisons, but that they will be posted if they turn out to be able make any conclusions given the information that we have. So you may want to check the unidentified case in NAmUs to see if anything gets posted. I don’t recall the NamUs case number, but I do remember it being in the system.



Thank you again for your efforts!



Carrie

LovinTK
12-05-2012, 06:42 AM
If Norman Creech turns out to be ruled out does anyone know how long it would take them to post that information on NamUs?

carbuff
12-05-2012, 09:48 AM
Anywhere from a couple of days to...well, never, some organizations don't post that information publicly.

LovinTK
12-05-2012, 09:03 PM
Thanks carbuff. I really think this is a match and it's driving me crazy that they haven't posted anything. Fingerprints should be easy to compare.

carbuff
12-05-2012, 10:33 PM
Thanks carbuff. I really think this is a match and it's driving me crazy that they haven't posted anything. Fingerprints should be easy to compare.

I know.

Based on the way prior years have gone -- I would guess there's almost no chance of hearing anything before at least a couple of weeks into the new year. Things move slowly during the holidays.

LovinTK
12-19-2012, 01:52 PM
Bumping this up to keep an eye on it. I can't believe it's taking them so long to compare fingerprints.

EyesOnSunday
01-18-2013, 09:19 PM
Does anyone have any new information on this? Was there ever a response?

LovinTK
01-21-2013, 03:46 PM
I haven't had any kind of response but I wasn't expecting one. I've noticed that Norman Creech still hasn't been put on the rule-out list. I'd like to know if it's a match too.

LovinTK
02-13-2013, 01:09 PM
In general how long should you wait before trying to contact someone again? I find it hard to believe it's taking so long to compare fingerprints.