Michelle Young, pregnant mom, murdered Part 19

[Samiya]

Other one was getting a bit long. Seems we have much to talk about.

Anyway, :laugh: I wanted to beat Chico in starting the new one :)

Sami

[spring]

barney, are you bringing to light that goins was trying back then to get someone to do these recent stories about the autopsy report? VERY interesting that they waited until now. haha it wasn't until spencer smith stepped up to the plate to be the voice.

[Taximom]

I realize I'm jumping in here with something that's already been discussed but sorry, I'm a little behind. I'm really p.o.'d about this comment from the N.O. article:

"Butts deflected criticism of his office, saying that police agencies often request tests that are unnecessary or time consuming."

I think Butts (who apparently thinks he's the new Columbo) should be fired for not following through on the request of law enforcement. Who knows how many other cases he has affected by not doing what LE asks of him? What an idiot. :loser:

Jake, if you are a friend of Jason's family and they don't mind you here commenting the way you do...then that tells me a LOT about them. :rolleyes:

Sami, you did beat Chico to a new thread! You have to be pretty fast to do that.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_3_110.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

[scandi]

I remember back at that time Jake you posted stating you were writing a letter to WRAL, to Amanda's boss. You were unhappy also with the reporting as I remember as well as with LE. We were discussing the AR at the time and how sketchy we thought it was. But I know I didn't put 2 + 2 together to think you might have had a reason to think the rape testing should have been done on Michelle. Then again, I don't remember there being thought at the beginning of the case the murder might have been sexually motivated.

[raisincharlie]

Taximom - it says alot to me as well considering the recent spokes person for the Young family indicates he believes this is entertainment fodder and people on message boards just like to wallow in other peoples grief. Wonder what Spencer really thinks about Jake being here? I said in the beginning, and still believe, the Petersons are going to look like saints before this one is over. JMO:(

[jake]

I realize I'm jumping in here with something that's already been discussed but sorry, I'm a little behind. I'm really p.o.'d about this comment from the N.O. article:

"Butts deflected criticism of his office, saying that police agencies often request tests that are unnecessary or time consuming."

I think Butts (who apparently thinks he's the new Columbo) should be fired for not following through on the request of law enforcement. Who knows how many other cases he has affected by not doing what LE asks of him? What an idiot. :loser:

Jake, if you are a friend of Jason's family and they don't mind you here commenting the way you do...then that tells me a LOT about them. :rolleyes:

Sami, you did beat Chico to a new thread! You have to be pretty fast to do that.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/18/18_3_110.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

Well! I'm glad to see others are finally becoming angry about the incomplete AR. I've been angry about it for some time.... and frustrated that I could get no one else interested or convinced that important evidence might have been missed.

--Jake

[spring]

Well! I'm glad to see others are finally becoming angry about the incomplete AR. I've been angry about it for some time.... and frustrated that I could get no one else interested or convinced that important evidence might have been missed.

--Jake
i think evidence has been missed because the golden boy is hiding out behind his mommy.

[less0305]

I'm more angry that the supposed loving husband chooses to refuse to answer any questions or give any information to the police regarding his daily life, rituals, routines, activities, etc., of his wife, child, or himself than I am about anything that has to do with the autopsy report. :furious: That's what I wish EVERYONE would get fired up about.

[spring]

I'm more angry that the supposed loving husband chooses to refuse to answer any questions or give any information to the police regarding his daily life, rituals, routines, activities, etc., of his wife, child, or himself than I am about anything that has to do with the autopsy report. :furious: That's what I wish EVERYONE would get fired up about.


:furious: :furious: :furious: i'll join you, and i know many others are fired up about it as well!

[Taximom]

I'm more angry that the supposed loving husband chooses to refuse to answer any questions or give any information to the police regarding his daily life, rituals, routines, activities, etc., of his wife, child, or himself than I am about anything that has to do with the autopsy report. :furious: That's what I wish EVERYONE would get fired up about.

I'm with you and everyone else on this point, less0305.

Jason not talking to LE says a lot more about what happened that night than anything else in this case.

In the end, nobody EVER gets away with murdering another human being.

[jake]

See Chico has been doing some house cleaning. Just as well. Another poster and I were far off topic.

The topic used to be no SA during the autopsy. I blame both, the ME for not doing it, and LE for not noticing it wasn't done.

I still wonder what was leaked to AL to get her interested, who leaked it, and why. Nothing but guesses I guess. I think the analytical minds on the board will have some answers.

--Jake

[spring]

See Chico has been doing some house cleaning. Just as well. Another poster and I were far off topic.

The topic used to be no SA during the autopsy. I blame both, the ME for not doing it, and LE for not noticing it wasn't done.

I still wonder what was leaked to AL to get her interested, who leaked it, and why. Nothing but guesses I guess. I think the analytical minds on the board will have some answers.

--Jake
i know there are some brevard people who do their best to intimidate and threaten people. maybe they got someone new to help. gojo was trying back when his dramatic outing happened to get someone to bite on the autopsy report. so i wonder what he had to do to finally get it to happen.

[scandi]

i know there are some brevard people who do their best to intimidate and threaten people. maybe they got someone new to help. gojo was trying back when his dramatic outing happened to get someone to bite on the autopsy report. so i wonder what he had to do to finally get it to happen.

Maybe use his self acclaimed 'poison pen'?

[spring]

Maybe use his self acclaimed 'poison pen'?
you might be right scandi! i hope he doesn't get stuck with it in return.

[scandi]

you might be right scandi! i hope he doesn't get stuck with it in return.

:D I wish he'd just re-ink his pen and tell us the story.

[spring]

it appears that even this forum is becoming wise to the ways of the poison pen. it doesn't matter how many truth sayers you take out, the facts will remain.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

i know there are some brevard people who do their best to intimidate and threaten people. maybe they got someone new to help. gojo was trying back when his dramatic outing happened to get someone to bite on the autopsy report. so i wonder what he had to do to finally get it to happen.

Yep. :cool:

Kinda interesting certain Brevard people care so much about what was leaked to AL, and assume it was the bad LE. Or...is a certain Brevard poster wanting his claim to fame that he was the one that pushed it far enough that it then was covered in the media? Okay, so leaks can happen on either side. It is what it is. Still doesn't change the facts of the case from those first few days.

Movin' on....

[spring]

Yep. :cool:

Kinda interesting certain Brevard people care so much about what was leaked to AL, and assume it was the bad LE. Or...is a certain Brevard poster wanting his claim to fame that he was the one that pushed it far enough that it then was covered in the media? Okay, so leaks can happen on either side. It is what it is. Still doesn't change the facts of the case from those first few days.

Movin' on....
DD, GMTA!

[raisincharlie]

:D I wish he'd just re-ink his pen and tell us the story.


My wish - everyone would stop responding to the poison pen and let him play by himself. The objective is clear and needs no further explanation as by his own admissions he knows nothing. Let him entertain himself while he wallows. He seems to be quite happy when he gets people banned or when he can degrade everyone involved in this case, including the victim, anyone other than Jy. Now he believes himself to be the hero about the autopsy and is threatening other posters on other boards. IMO this is very perverse.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

it appears that even this forum is becoming wise to the ways of the poison pen. it doesn't matter how many truth sayers you take out, the facts will remain.

:clap:

[DEPUTYDAWG]

DD, GMTA!

LOL, I just basically posted the same back to you! :woohoo:

Facts don't change....

[DEPUTYDAWG]

My wish - everyone would stop responding to the poison pen and let him play by himself. The objective is clear and needs no further explanation as by his own admissions he knows nothing. Let him entertain himself while he wallows. He seems to be quite happy when he gets people banned or when he can degrade everyone involved in this case, including the victim, anyone other than Jy. Now he believes himself to be the hero about the autopsy and is threatening other posters on other boards. IMO this is very perverse.

That's why my tongue is still sore, LOL
Good to see ya, RC!

[raisincharlie]

That's why my tongue is still sore, LOL
Good to see ya, RC!



Good to see you too! I'm quite fed up, but refuse to allow the objective to be completed

[raisincharlie]

riddle me this....haha actually i don't play games like said "insiders"

but WHY would an innocent person need people to "defend" him in such a manner as to threaten people? posters, tv stations, reporters, and there could be an even longer list that we don't know about. why would an innocent person need that?

An innocent person doesn't...they typically use such sources to their advantage in finding the perp.

[scandi]

You are right Charlie.

[raisincharlie]

You are right Charlie.

It is the only way to remove the pen from the hand - it is not the pen that is poisoned but the mind moving the hand that uses it.

[raisincharlie]

You chose red - I'm seeing enough of that. ;) I chose yellow for obvious reasons...:p

[DEPUTYDAWG]

You chose red - I'm seeing enough of that. ;) I chose yellow for obvious reasons...:p

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[raisincharlie]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


DD,

I know we owe Mr. DNA a case of choclate bars already but if you happen across him can you ask him about the issues with the SA kit not being done ? Any method short of exhumation to safely conclude an answer ?

Will send chocolate upon request !:D

[DEPUTYDAWG]

DD,

I know we owe Mr. DNA a case of choclate bars already but if you happen across him can you ask him about the issues with the SA kit not being done ? Any method short of exhumation to safely conclude an answer ?

Will send chocolate upon request !:D

Your wish is my command...and I don't know about him, but I'm requesting the chocolate, STAT! :crazy:

I'll email him a little later today...

DD

[Jeana (DP)]

See Chico has been doing some house cleaning. Just as well. Another poster and I were far off topic.

--Jake



Stay on TOPIC!!!!!!!!!!!

[harleysnana]

:furious: :furious: :furious: i'll join you, and i know many others are fired up about it as well!
I'm with you guys! :furious: :furious: :furious:
and wanted to add.... :banghead:

[jake]

Yep. :cool:

Kinda interesting certain Brevard people care so much about what was leaked to AL, and assume it was the bad LE. Or...is a certain Brevard poster wanting his claim to fame that he was the one that pushed it far enough that it then was covered in the media? Okay, so leaks can happen on either side. It is what it is. Still doesn't change the facts of the case from those first few days.

Movin' on....

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.

No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.
No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake

Both sides (LE and defense) can leak things for their own reasons. Nothing new. Therefore, I haven't put a lot of time and analysis towards it, and don't plan to. I'd rather concentrate on seeing justice done for Michelle's brutal murder.

IMO

[citygirl]

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.

No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake


I'm trying to catch up on the latest. Have read sporadically since Friday , am caught up on the absence of SA exam etc.

Am I to ascertain from this post that you are inferring that the victim was having a sexual relationship with someone other than her husband ?

Is that the so called "sex angle" ?

And that this contributed to her death ?

If I am reading this correctly , you'd best have some real facts to support such an accusation.

Please respond as swiftly as possible to clear this up.

[Bee Charmer]

I'm trying to catch up on the latest. Have read sporadically since Friday , am caught up on the absence of SA exam etc.

Am I to ascertain from this post that you are inferring that the victim was having a sexual relationship with someone other than her husband ?

Is that the so called "sex angle" ?

And that this contributed to her death ?

If I am reading this correctly , you'd best have some real facts to support such an accusation.

Please respond as swiftly as possible to clear this up.

I absolutely agree with you CityGirl. One thing I
know for sure about WS they do not allow victim bashing. So,
if there is any basis in fact for this accusation, we better
see it PDQ. :mad:

[strach304]

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.

No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake

Are you sure there is a sex angle? I'm not talking about the SA test not being done because I don't consider that evidence that there was a rape or consenual encounter.

[raisincharlie]

Strach - I cannot answer you - your pm box is apparently full.:p

[jake]

Are you sure there is a sex angle? I'm not talking about the SA test not being done because I don't consider that evidence that there was a rape or consenual encounter.

You don't? Then why all of a sudden all the media interest? Why now, six months after the AR? I think there's been a leak.

--Jake

[Mama-cita]

You don't? Then why all of a sudden all the media interest? Why now, six months after the AR? I think there's been a leak.

--Jake

Maybe the "leak" was from JY's camp. I seem to remember leaking of a tooth from the JY camp. Perhaps it is strategic, to try to delude the public into thinking that LE/ME are incompetent? If one of my family members were brutally murdered, even if it was an in-law, if I "found" information pertinent to the investigation, I doubt seriously that I would make that information public as I would not want to hinder the investigation. That is why it is curious that "things" keep getting "leaked" in this case.

I seem to remember you hinting there would be a special article coming up at the 6 month mark, and lo and behold one shows up? Methinks there are a lot of leaks in Brevard? Maybe they need a good plumber?

JMO

[jake]

Maybe the "leak" was from JY's camp. I seem to remember leaking of a tooth from the JY camp. Perhaps it is strategic, to try to delude the public into thinking that LE/ME are incompetent? If one of my family members were brutally murdered, even if it was an in-law, if I "found" information pertinent to the investigation, I doubt seriously that I would make that information public as I would not want to hinder the investigation. That is why it is curious that "things" keep getting "leaked" in this case.

I seem to remember you hinting there would be a special article coming up at the 6 month mark, and lo and behold one shows up? Methinks there are a lot of leaks in Brevard? Maybe they need a good plumber?

JMO

Not a "camp", but I am a friend. The tooth? Given to LE who then gave it to the media.

"Delude the public" about incompetence? I hope you can explain how that could be done. If you'd care to, of course.

--Jake

[Bellgardin]

Maybe the "leak" was from JY's camp. I seem to remember leaking of a tooth from the JY camp. Perhaps it is strategic, to try to delude the public into thinking that LE/ME are incompetent? If one of my family members were brutally murdered, even if it was an in-law, if I "found" information pertinent to the investigation, I doubt seriously that I would make that information public as I would not want to hinder the investigation. That is why it is curious that "things" keep getting "leaked" in this case.

I seem to remember you hinting there would be a special article coming up at the 6 month mark, and lo and behold one shows up? Methinks there are a lot of leaks in Brevard? Maybe they need a good plumber?

JMO

I totally agree with you!

I find it very interesting that JY and family won't talk to the police or the media yet there are things that have been "mysteriously leaked" so that his story is getting out. Too bad he's still not helping the police.

[strach304]

Strach - I cannot answer you - your pm box is apparently full.:p

All clear :blushing:

[citygirl]

I'm trying to catch up on the latest. Have read sporadically since Friday , am caught up on the absence of SA exam etc.

Am I to ascertain from this post that you are inferring that the victim was having a sexual relationship with someone other than her husband ?

Is that the so called "sex angle" ?

And that this contributed to her death ?

If I am reading this correctly , you'd best have some real facts to support such an accusation.

Please respond as swiftly as possible to clear this up.


BUMP for Jake

[Bellgardin]

BUMP for Jake

Interesting, he saw you bump your question and then left. His insinuations about the victim are appalling. I can't believe that JY or anyone from his family would feel good about what he is suggesting. Or maybe they do, which is even more disturbing.

[j2mirish]

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.

No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake

I'm trying to catch up on the latest. Have read sporadically since Friday , am caught up on the absence of SA exam etc.

Am I to ascertain from this post that you are inferring that the victim was having a sexual relationship with someone other than her husband ?

Is that the so called "sex angle" ?

And that this contributed to her death ?

If I am reading this correctly , you'd best have some real facts to support such an accusation.

Please respond as swiftly as possible to clear this up.

I absolutely agree with you CityGirl. One thing I
know for sure about WS they do not allow victim bashing. So,
if there is any basis in fact for this accusation, we better
see it PDQ. :mad:

Are you sure there is a sex angle? I'm not talking about the SA test not being done because I don't consider that evidence that there was a rape or consenual encounter.

BUMP for Jake

you bumped before I could- Jake wont see this- I think I might be on his ignore list...you know...people that are insulting--- :cool: my point is, dont look for an answer --- he skipped your post as it was to the point, and a direct question

[Samiya]

According to Amanda Lamb, they re-read 'case files' and noticed that a rape kit was not done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270545,00.html

[citygirl]

Jake,

For heaven's sake. Be a man ! Step up to the plate and answer the question.

[raisincharlie]

According to Amanda Lamb, they re-read 'case files' and noticed that a rape kit was not done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270545,00.html


From the above transcript:

LAMB: They're very optimistic, as they've been all along. They say it's a complex case, that it takes time to put a case like this together, that they have to get it right. And as you obviously know from covering the Duke lacrosse case, a lot of people in North Carolina look at that situation and say, We cannot rush to judgment in any case.


Thanks Sami !

[DEPUTYDAWG]

According to Amanda Lamb, they re-read 'case files' and noticed that a rape kit was not done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,270545,00.html


Thanks, Sami.
Maybe it was just good investigative follow-up?

[scandi]

Thanks Sami, I had just replied to a post at CTV where it was thrown our that possibly the prosecutor was doing damage control by leaking it. So I went back over there right away to post your link and set that issue to rest!

Scandi

[Samiya]

Thanks, Sami.
Maybe it was just good investigative follow-up?

I believe that it was just that. This issue should have been out and dealt with earlier in the case. We've known about it for ages, Hawthorn has been a champion for it for months....

I would also have asked more questions of Sam Pennica in light of his comment that the 'agent' who went to attend the autopsy wasn't 'up' on Michelle's case details. You don't send someone to any autopsy who is not up on details of the case at hand or at least is 'up' on what Investigators requested so that requests are followed. The person sent is a go between for investigators with the ME. CCBI had time enough to have been able to brief this 'agent' to make certain that their requests on the evidence request sheet were followed up.

Sami

[Nomimi]

You don't? Then why all of a sudden all the media interest? Why now, six months after the AR? I think there's been a leak.

--Jake

I believe it is because some old mountain goat is making things up, as he goes along and is emailing media. :mad:

[strach304]

Thanks Sami :)

Citygirl, I myself am wondering if that was brought up simply because the latest media reports stated Jason was in a romantic relationship that's been denied all along by certain posters.

I think this latest report Sami posted also shows that my earlier post to Jake shows that the reports on the SA tests not being done doesn't mean there was any reason to believe there was a sexual assault or consensual encounter. Lack of evidence there rather than presence is my opinion.

[strach304]

I believe it is because some old mountain goat is making things up, as he goes along and is emailing media. :mad:


Again it has to be someone other than Jason. A rapist or lover will do and since they didn't do the SA kit it's simply about reasonable doubt. Not actually finding out who killed Michelle.

[raisincharlie]

I believe that it was just that. This issue should have been out and dealt with earlier in the case. We've known about it for ages, Hawthorn has been a champion for it for months....

<snip>

Sami

Sami,

I too have wondered about "why now" but I think I have a little bit different take on it. I won't disagree it should have been noticed in January when the AR was released. I am wondering and actually more inclined to think the raising of this issue now may be in response to case assembly rather than just routine review. I only say that for one reason, assembling the case responds to posed questions about the case.

For some reason, I think this may be very similar in terms of the chain of events for example the tooth, it was found much earlier than it was reported. Maybe wishful thinking on my part but I don't believe Sam Pennica went on tv without an answer to whose tooth it was. Just my feeling - by the time WRAL aired the interview I do believe the issue of who it belonged to was resolved. Since Amanda Lamb raised the subject of Michelle's clothes, I have this feeling that samples were already taken and submitted to a contract lab - quick turn around time from those labs.

As I said, maybe just wishful thinking but I am an optimist. :)

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Again it has to be someone other than Jason. A rapist or lover will do and since they didn't do the SA kit it's simply about reasonable doubt. Not actually finding out who killed Michelle.


Then I guess they weren't that convinced that it was the jealous sister, either? Guess they didn't have any evidence to support reasonable suspicion, so now it's moved on to a rapist or lover. As you said, someone (and anyone) other than Jason...

[citygirl]

Thanks Sami :)

Citygirl, I myself am wondering if that was brought up simply because the latest media reports stated Jason was in a romantic relationship that's been denied all along by certain posters.

I think this latest report Sami posted also shows that my earlier post to Jake shows that the reports on the SA tests not being done doesn't mean there was any reason to believe there was a sexual assault or consensual encounter. Lack of evidence there rather than presence is my opinion.

Strach, I would like to believe it is as benign as you say.

But, my gut tells me that this is far more malignant and sinister.

And, truthfully, it really sickens me.

To make an insinuation such as that is terribly wrong.

I've given this man the benefit of the doubt for many months.....even felt sincere empathy for his position.

I'm calling him out, and he's not man enough to step up to the plate.

I'm disgusted.

MOO

[strach304]

DD, good point and look how many theories and suspects were brought up in the SP case. Didn't matter if they were reasonable or had evidence for that suspicion or anything else. Never changed the fact that it always led back to Scott. All the so-called coincidences we're supposed to believe and Jason just has the worst luck in the world.

Citygirl, I do agree it's disgusting. His only interest is keeping Jason out of jail, doesn't matter if he did it imo. We've ascertained that Jason didn't respect Michelle so why would he?

[scandi]

Charlie, you said, "I too have wondered about "why now" but I think I have a little bit different take on it. I won't disagree it should have been noticed in January when the AR was released. I am wondering and actually more inclined to think the raising of this issue now may be in response to case assembly rather than just routine review. I only say that for one reason, assembling the case responds to posed questions about the case."

I got to thinking about the fact Amanda should have noticed there was no rape testing done, seeing as all of us noticed it right away. Then I remembered in the last few days here Jake stated when he wrote to Amanda in Feb that is one of the concerns he had - there having been no test, and said he told her about that. That means she has been aware of it for over 2 months! So why now?

I also thought it could be a leak from the prosecution on purpose to let it out now instead of during trial. But I think your idea of case assembly is very good, if you are thinking they are putting the case together now, working out the details of their strategy. In doing that they forulated a plan to deal with the fact the test was not given when requested.

Scandi


ETA: I just read through this whole thread and those posts have been deleted!

[raisincharlie]

Charlie, you said, "I too have wondered about "why now" but I think I have a little bit different take on it. I won't disagree it should have been noticed in January when the AR was released. I am wondering and actually more inclined to think the raising of this issue now may be in response to case assembly rather than just routine review. I only say that for one reason, assembling the case responds to posed questions about the case."

I got to thinking about the fact Amanda should have noticed there was no rape testing done, seeing as all of us noticed it right away. Then I remembered in the last few days here Jake stated when he wrote to Amanda in Feb that is one of the concerns he had - there having been no test, and said he told her about that. That means she has been aware of it for over 2 months! So why now?

I also thought it could be a leak from the prosecution on purpose to let it out now instead of during trial. But I think your idea of case assembly is very good, if you are thinking they are putting the case together now, working out the details of their strategy. In doing that they forulated a plan to deal with the fact the test was not given when requested.

Scandi

Someone saying they sent that concern to Ms. Lamb - is that the same as them telling you how many staircases were in the house - after you and Purple figured it out by yourself? I think so. Sorry but I find nothing credible about that story. Someone tried to "help out" Ms. Lamb by trying to get her fired.

Actually Scandi, it has been over 3 months since that AR came back - for all we know it could have been known for quite some time and for all we know they said nothing until the results came back from Michelle's clothes, which based on SBI lab time of 3 months is right about now...JMO

[spring]

hmmmmm that must have gone over like a bigger lead balloon than the last wild theory. try again. maybe the obvious. who stood to gain a million dollars. who stood to be able to sleep around without someone griping about it. who stood to not have to pay child support times 2. who stood to start with a clean slate. or i guess so he thought.

[scandi]

You little Sweetie!

That is an encouraging thought Charlie, and if they leaked this now on purpose it sounds like her clothes were free of sexual residue. Ewwww, that sounds weird, LOL, but it includes everything.

Scandi

[raisincharlie]

You little Sweetie!

That is an encouraging thought Charlie, and if they leaked this now on purpose it sounds like her clothes were free of sexual residue. Ewwww, that sounds weird, LOL, but it includes everything.

Scandi

The only problem with this theory is Br. Butts and his statements. But he didn't exactly strike me as knowing what was going on in his office on any given day anyhow.

[jake]

I believe that it was just that. This issue should have been out and dealt with earlier in the case. We've known about it for ages, Hawthorn has been a champion for it for months....

I would also have asked more questions of Sam Pennica in light of his comment that the 'agent' who went to attend the autopsy wasn't 'up' on Michelle's case details. You don't send someone to any autopsy who is not up on details of the case at hand or at least is 'up' on what Investigators requested so that requests are followed. The person sent is a go between for investigators with the ME. CCBI had time enough to have been able to brief this 'agent' to make certain that their requests on the evidence request sheet were followed up.

Sami

Hi, Sami,

As usual, you're right. But.... well, I always have a but, but not a Mr. Butts. But the 'agent' should have been able to read the request document and checked that everything requested was done. Don't you think?

And then LE. In the crime books I've read, the cops are always all over the ME shortly after a murder for a copy of the autopsy. Usually it's not available quickly, but the cops talk on the phone with the ME and get the information they need. I think LE should have realized quickly they didn't have what they needed and asked for it before the burial.

A plague on both their houses!!

--Jake

[jake]

Thanks Sami :)

Citygirl, I myself am wondering if that was brought up simply because the latest media reports stated Jason was in a romantic relationship that's been denied all along by certain posters.

I think this latest report Sami posted also shows that my earlier post to Jake shows that the reports on the SA tests not being done doesn't mean there was any reason to believe there was a sexual assault or consensual encounter. Lack of evidence there rather than presence is my opinion.

Hi, Strach,

Do you have some reason to believe there was no evidence of sexual activity in that room? Just curious.

--Jake

[jake]

Again it has to be someone other than Jason. A rapist or lover will do and since they didn't do the SA kit it's simply about reasonable doubt. Not actually finding out who killed Michelle.

Why not find out who killer Michelle? If there was some evidence of sexual activity in that room, match that evidence to the killer. By evidence, we might be talking about DNA.... so match it to someone. If it matches Jason.... so what? But if it matches someone else, maybe you have your killer.

Of course, i realize some evidence might have been buried. I think everyone who thinks Jason is innocent is angry about that.

--Jake

[spring]

Why not find out who killer Michelle? If there was some evidence of sexual activity in that room, match that evidence to the killer. By evidence, we might be talking about DNA.... so match it to someone. If it matches Jason.... so what? But if it matches someone else, maybe you have your killer.

Of course, i realize some evidence might have been buried. I think everyone who thinks Jason is innocent is angry about that.

--Jake
has jason had any male friends in that bed? is it someone new to try to pin this murder on now instead of the sister?

[strach304]

Hi, Strach,

Do you have some reason to believe there was no evidence of sexual activity in that room? Just curious.

--Jake

I have no reason to believe there was. If it turns out there was unidentified semen then that's a big indication there was. We don't know that, neither do you and LE didn't know that when they requested it. Those results would be back now. I have been saying repeatedly to you that the SA kit isn't proof there were indicators. Don't remember which report it was but Johnson, Harrison or Pennica even said that a request for a SA kit didn't mean there were signs of a SA.

[jilly]

Taximom - it says alot to me as well considering the recent spokes person for the Young family indicates he believes this is entertainment fodder and people on message boards just like to wallow in other peoples grief. Wonder what Spencer really thinks about Jake being here? I said in the beginning, and still believe, the Petersons are going to look like saints before this one is over. JMO:(

I didn't think that was possible but now I'm beginning to think otherwise as well. That attitude of how dare they accuse our jy:furious: or how dare they take the mother's luggage:boohoo: instead of focusing on the fact that their daughter/sister-in-law had just been bludgeoned to death!!:(

Shielding jy:chicken: from LE;Striding into the funeral glaring at the media; refusing to request the public's help in finding the murder; unwilling to even make a comment to the media about how much they loved & will miss Michelle; failing to attend the memorial for Michelle. .

I think the only reason they went to the funeral was to support their :chicken: . These people boggle my mind! The murder investigation of their daughter/sister-in-law has invaded their privacy! Ho Hum and :boohoo: Is this what happens when you live in a one horse town with a population of 7,000? Big shots in their quaint little element, I suppose. Well....tick tock, tick tock, it's all gonna come down like a hammer if their little :chicken: is charged with MURDER. Big City. Big Trial and Big Media. I may even get a ticket to Raleigh to get a good seat!

[jake]

Thanks Sami, I had just replied to a post at CTV where it was thrown our that possibly the prosecutor was doing damage control by leaking it. So I went back over there right away to post your link and set that issue to rest!

Scandi

I agree, Sami... thanks for the post. Good article. I don't agree that Scandi set anything to rest. I've snipped two sentences from the article:

"Just this week, we did learn some new information. As investigators do, we went back and reread the case file."

I think someone gave AL some "new information". I think this new information had something to do with sex, and that led AL to go back and reread the case file.

I think then AL noticed what Hawthorn and others noticed two months ago. Let's hear it now for.... Hawthorn for editor! Sami for reporter!

So..... who gave AL the information?? Anybody can guess.

--Jake

[snowshuze]

I didn't think that was possible but now I'm beginning to think otherwise as well. That attitude of how dare they accuse our jy:furious: or how dare they take the mother's luggage:boohoo: instead of focusing on the fact that their daughter/sister-in-law had just been bludgeoned to death!!:(

Shielding jy:chicken: from LE;Striding into the funeral glaring at the media; refusing to request the public's help in finding the murder; unwilling to even make a comment to the media about how much they loved & will miss Michelle; failing to attend the memorial for Michelle. .

I think the only reason they went to the funeral was to support their :chicken: . These people boggle my mind! The murder investigation of their daughter/sister-in-law has invaded their privacy! Ho Hum and :boohoo: Is this what happens when you live in a one horse town with a population of 7,000? Big shots in their quaint little element, I suppose. Well....tick tock, tick tock, it's all gonna come down like a hammer if their little :chicken: is charged with MURDER. Big City. Big Trial and Big Media. I may even get a ticket to Raleigh to get a good seat!
We will, of course, expect daily reports. :)

[strach304]

Why not find out who killer Michelle? If there was some evidence of sexual activity in that room, match that evidence to the killer. By evidence, we might be talking about DNA.... so match it to someone. If it matches Jason.... so what? But if it matches someone else, maybe you have your killer.

Of course, i realize some evidence might have been buried. I think everyone who thinks Jason is innocent is angry about that.

--Jake

Everything you just said is what we've been telling you. No SA examination does not equal rape or consensual sex. There would be other indicators such as unidentified dna. Only LE knows that. If they used a condom what do you think they would've found? Hair? It's very common to shave. Skin cells? and so...like you said if they belong to Jason then so what. Hard to believe someone could've killed her the way they did and not leave dna, prints, etc. much less an act of sex on top of it. If they only found Jasons that's a problem imo. not a so what.

[strach304]

I agree, Sami... thanks for the post. Good article. I don't agree that Scandi set anything to rest. I've snipped two sentences from the article:

"Just this week, we did learn some new information. As investigators do, we went back and reread the case file."

I think someone gave AL some "new information". I think this new information had something to do with sex, and that led AL to go back and reread the case file.

I think then AL noticed what Hawthorn and others noticed two months ago. Let's hear it now for.... Hawthorn for editor! Sami for reporter!

So..... who gave AL the information?? Anybody can guess.

--Jake

Are you admitting something again Jake? Or assuming something again?

[jilly]

DD, good point and look how many theories and suspects were brought up in the SP case. Didn't matter if they were reasonable or had evidence for that suspicion or anything else. Never changed the fact that it always led back to Scott. All the so-called coincidences we're supposed to believe and Jason just has the worst luck in the world.

Citygirl, I do agree it's disgusting. His only interest is keeping Jason out of jail, doesn't matter if he did it imo. We've ascertained that Jason didn't respect Michelle so why would he?

:clap: Good point Strach!

[strach304]

:laugh: has jason had any male friends in that bed? is it someone new to try to pin this murder on now instead of the sister?

You're sooo bad. :innocent:

[strach304]

:D :clap: Good point Strach!

Thank you, thank you very much :blowkiss:

[jake]

Charlie, you said, "I too have wondered about "why now" but I think I have a little bit different take on it. I won't disagree it should have been noticed in January when the AR was released. I am wondering and actually more inclined to think the raising of this issue now may be in response to case assembly rather than just routine review. I only say that for one reason, assembling the case responds to posed questions about the case."

I got to thinking about the fact Amanda should have noticed there was no rape testing done, seeing as all of us noticed it right away. Then I remembered in the last few days here Jake stated when he wrote to Amanda in Feb that is one of the concerns he had - there having been no test, and said he told her about that. That means she has been aware of it for over 2 months! So why now?

I also thought it could be a leak from the prosecution on purpose to let it out now instead of during trial. But I think your idea of case assembly is very good, if you are thinking they are putting the case together now, working out the details of their strategy. In doing that they forulated a plan to deal with the fact the test was not given when requested.

Scandi


ETA: I just read through this whole thread and those posts have been deleted!

Hmmm. Sounds like a plan to me, Scandi. So, you seem to think not LE but the DA whispered in AL's ear. Which means the DA threw the ME's butt into the fire. That means we probably will be hearing more from Mr. Butts and his employees. Can't wait!

Poofed? Yeah, and Jeana almost poofed me. Maybe he/she's a fill-in for Chico? I'm on my best behavior with 7 posters on ignore so I won't be baited. Soon I'll be talking to myself.... and answering. Tell me if I say something stupid.

--Jake

[jake]

Are you admitting something again Jake? Or assuming something again?

Nope. Don't talk to Ms. Lamb. Any info I learn goes to LE!

--Jake

[scandi]

has jason had any male friends in that bed? is it someone new to try to pin this murder on now instead of the sister?

:D Thanks for your abject honesty! Possibilities abound, as we really don't know. Lordie Do, who would have ever expected Scott Peterson to drag a guy home from the bar and cavort with him in his and Laci's bed. That really did frost me!

Kind of O/T here now, but when you look at some of these men who have been found guilty of murder involving a wife or SO, both Peterson men had illicit sex with a guy. I think Phil Spector is a bit off the wall sexually. You guys could probably think of many situations like this, but it would be an interesting study in the future. For a Psyche major! LOL

[Samiya]

Jeana is only one of the moderators here. Chicoliving is another. There are more.

Sami

[scandi]

Hmmm. Sounds like a plan to me, Scandi. So, you seem to think not LE but the DA whispered in AL's ear. Which means the DA threw the ME's butt into the fire. That means we probably will be hearing more from Mr. Butts and his employees. Can't wait!

Poofed? Yeah, and Jeana almost poofed me. Maybe he/she's a fill-in for Chico? I'm on my best behavior with 7 posters on ignore so I won't be baited. Soon I'll be talking to myself.... and answering. Tell me if I say something stupid.

--Jake

All you have to do is just be honest with us Jake. In the following post you say you don't talk to AL but send everything to LE. One of the posts I hunted dilligently for was the one where you explained how when you communicated with AL in Feb about the autopsy photo situation, you told her the rape kit testing had not been done. You said that really bothered you at that time as we were discussing it with Hawthorne here then.

I know you didn't call her, but emailed her, as you said your computer was giving you trouble and you told us you were writing a letter at that time.

[jake]

Jeana is only one of the moderators here. Chicoliving is another. There are more.

Sami

SURROUNDED!! Now we've got 'em where we want 'em!!

--Jake

[jake]

All you have to do is just be honest with us Jake. In the following post you say you don't talk to AL but send everything to LE. One of the posts I hunted dilligently for was the one where you explained how when you communicated with AL in Feb about the autopsy photo situation, you told her the rape kit testing had not been done. You said that really bothered you at that time as we were discussing it with Hawthorne here then.

I know you didn't call her, but emailed her, as you said your computer was giving you trouble and you told us you were writing a letter at that time.

Is this going to get me poofed? I'll be diplomatic. I'm always honest.

That was then, this is now. Then.... I sent her several emails. I urged more investigation. Now.... Something happened. I don't communicate with her.

--Jake

[scandi]

Is this going to get me poofed? I'll be diplomatic. I'm always honest.

That was then, this is now. Then.... I sent her several emails. I urged more investigation. Now.... Something happened. I don't communicate with her.

--Jake

Thanks Jake. I can see why conversing with you would make her nervous professionally. A source with a sting, that being a lifetime friend of the husband in this major murder investigation which it is her job to report. Might be too close for comfort if you see what I mean. Does she read here?

[raisincharlie]

Does anyone still have a good link to the People Mag article on this case ?

Strach jogged my memory about conspiracy theories and I have been slowly building one but I need the quotes from the People Mag made by Spencer Smith if anyone has them. I seem to recall many of his words having found their way onto message boards from posters living in Brevard. I would like to review those quotes if anyone has them.

TIA

ETA:http://www.shso.sk/99GHOSTT.HTM You can get a glimpse of Mr. Smith here.

[jake]

Thanks Jake. I can see why conversing with you would make her nervous professionally. A source with a sting, that being a lifetime friend of the husband in this major murder investigation which it is her job to report. Might be too close for comfort if you see what I mean. Does she read here?

Don't know the woman, Scandi. Everytime I mention her I get poofed. Watch yourself!

Good night.

--Jake

[scandi]

I'll go get it Charlie. Know just where it is! Back in a flash.

[raisincharlie]

I'll go get it Charlie. Know just where it is! Back in a flash.

K ! If you can't find it - don't worry.

Me thinks LE needs to have a conversation with Mr. S. Smith, if they haven't already, to find out exactly where that little hike was along the Appalachian trail. Coinkydink.

[jilly]

Does anyone still have a good link to the People Mag article on this case ?

Strach jogged my memory about conspiracy theories and I have been slowly building one but I need the quotes from the People Mag made by Spencer Smith if anyone has them. I seem to recall many of his words having found their way onto message boards from posters living in Brevard. I would like to review those quotes if anyone has them.

TIA

ETA:http://www.shso.sk/99GHOSTT.HTM You can get a glimpse of Mr. Smith here.

I've got the article in my hands:

SS said "Jason dearly loved Michelle."
"He was looking forward with a great deal of anticipation to the son that was going to be born. This is a double loss for him."

[Samiya]

"Jason dearly loved Michelle" says Spencer Smith, who lived down the street from where Jason grew up in Brevard, N.C. "He was looking forward with a reat deal of anticipation to the son that was going to be born. That's a double loss to him".

Young, too, "Dearly loves Cassidy", says his friend Spencer Smith.

The notion that Young could have been having an affair with Money - a part time community college math teacher who lives in Ocoee, Fla, with her husband Steve, 34, a golf course superintendent, and their 2 year old son - "Would absolutely floor me" Smith says. "He's always been an ethical man".

Typed up from my copy of People magazine dated January 22 2007.

Sami

and edited coz I can't type all that fast :)

[raisincharlie]

I've got the article in my hands:

SS said "Jason dearly loved Michelle."
"He was looking forward with a great deal of anticipation to the son that was going to be born. This is a double loss for him."

Is there a quote from S. Smith about Jy being an "ethical man" ?

[scandi]

Here it is:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20007855,00.html


I looked everywhere. The original link has todays news! It isn't at Friction Powered, Bonnies Blog, CTV and at first I googled it the wrong way. Finally went to the source, People Mag, and there it was.

Scandi

[Samiya]

Is there a quote from S. Smith about Jy being an "ethical man" ?

Yep, see my post above yours.

What are you up to young man?

:)

Sami

[jilly]

Is there a quote from S. Smith about Jy being an "ethical man" ?

Sami's got it. I must have missed that.

[Samiya]

Sami's got it. I must have missed that.

Consider it teamwork :)

Sami

[athy]

i went thru all the sw that have been published in the news and on none of them do i find any box of comdoms listed. so what sw did jake see them listed on?

[raisincharlie]

"Jason dearly loved Michelle" says Spencer Smith, who lived down the street from where Jason grew up in Brevard, N.C. "He was looking forward with a reat deal of anticipation to the son that was going to be born. That's a double loss to him".

Young, too, "Dearly loves cassidy", says his friend Spencer Smith.

The notion that Young could have been having an affair with Money - a part time community college math teacher who lives in Ocoee, Fla, with her husband Steve, 34, a golf course superintendent, and their 2 year old son - "Would absolutely floor me" Smith says. "He's always been an ethical man".

Typed up from my copy of People magazine dated January 22 2007.

Sami

and edited coz I can't type all that fast :)

That's the quote I was looking for. Thank you both Sami and Jilly and Scandi too for hunting.

So we have the custodian in Aberdeen who rants about the message boards being entertainment, we have the retired teacher in Brevard who says the message boards are entertainment fodder, and then we have another retired teacher who talks away on the message boards like there is no tomorrow. Me thinks there is a definitive war room beyond LE's war room and the participants of this war room talk out of both faces so to speak. Too many of the same words from many different people. So who is the Lawrence Welk ?

Supposedly Jy is not talking but does anyone really believe that ? I don't, I've seen a few too many emails he has sent to "friends". He's talking but not necessarily with the truth. As we have been taught, anyone can say anything but that doesn't make it true. Most of these people don't even know some of the people they have invented the wild stories about - who in Brevard does ? Since there is such a unified front about message boards, why are they going against the expressed disdain to make sure we are told there is a paper trail ? News flash - what paper trail - a receipt for a hotel and gas. They have no idea what paper trail LE has - not possible as I doubt LE is sharing information concerning that with R. Smith and at this point there is definitely no obligation to do so.

Still working...

[raisincharlie]

i went thru all the sw that have been published in the news and on none of them do i find any box of comdoms listed. so what sw did jake see them listed on?

athy,

The only one he could have seen that on would have been the complete inventory list from the first warrant on 11/3 at the Birchleaf residence. A copy of the inventory, beyond what we have seen, would have been sent to R. Smith the lawyer. Obviously R. Smith has provided a copy to his client who has shared it with the clan or someone is full of gas = windy.

[spring]

:D Thanks for your abject honesty! Possibilities abound, as we really don't know. Lordie Do, who would have ever expected Scott Peterson to drag a guy home from the bar and cavort with him in his and Laci's bed. That really did frost me!

Kind of O/T here now, but when you look at some of these men who have been found guilty of murder involving a wife or SO, both Peterson men had illicit sex with a guy. I think Phil Spector is a bit off the wall sexually. You guys could probably think of many situations like this, but it would be an interesting study in the future. For a Psyche major! LOL

well he could pay someone to do the things he wanted Michelle to do. if Michelle was away at her mom's, etc. jason had time to be doing things he wanted to do.

how lucky the defense is that they have friends able to try out different defenses online to see what works. i am glad the focus is now off MF as i don't think MF would have SA her sister. but with that group, who knows. that could be next on the agenda!

[raisincharlie]

Here it is:

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20007855,00.html

I looked everywhere. The original link has todays news! It isn't at Friction Powered, Bonnies Blog, CTV and at first I googled it the wrong way. Finally went to the source, People Mag, and there it was. I'm going to post it in the links thread.

Scandi

Luv you Scandi :blowkiss:

[jilly]

Consider it teamwork :)

Sami

And what a great team it is here with maybe one exception!:D

[spring]

And what a great team it is here with maybe one exception!:D
the problem there is that one thinking there is an I in team...

and that part of the team also has no interest in Michelle.

[scandi]

Luv you Scandi :blowkiss:

That was hilarious!:D :D :D I was in a hurry to go down and get a pack of cigs before the station closed, and it wouldn't post. So I kept banging it, and come to find out it posted 4 times! Baa hAA hAA hAA hAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ;) you must have thought I had lost it, or was really geared up by the excitement of everything. LOLOLOL

Back at 'cha Charlie, and keep working on that theory!

[strach304]

Is everybody still up waiting on RC? Be careful RC, I've had some brainstorms I don't post on the board because I don't want to give them any more ideas.

Scandi, stop banging on it before you break it. Then you'll really be po'd :D

[scandi]

Is everybody still up waiting on RC? Be careful RC, I've had some brainstorms I don't post on the board because I don't want to give them any more ideas.

Scandi, stop banging on it before you break it. Then you'll really be po'd :D

Whoops~! Thanks for the advice Strach. :D I just deleted my new post. I'll wait patiently, LOLOLOLOL What is Coinkydink?

[strach304]

I really do believe Jake does get most of his info here. After Barney told us about the insurance claim and there was no jewelry on it he moved on from Meredith. JTF made that claim and he believed it. I don't know why she did other than seeing the drawers missing and then the jewelry. If there is a warrant with the condoms like Jake claims then maybe they found the jewelry as I surmised all along, LE has it. There's gotta be an inventory list of what they LE took that we haven't seen. That warrant wouldn't be returned as long as they are still examining that evidence.

ETA: Another idea, keeping evidence they plan to use at trial such as jewelry and cash to prove no robbery for example.

[raisincharlie]

Is everybody still up waiting on RC? Be careful RC, I've had some brainstorms I don't post on the board because I don't want to give them any more ideas.

Scandi, stop banging on it before you break it. Then you'll really be po'd :D

Hey Jake has me on iggy ! No problem right ? No problem giving out ideas, understood on my part.

Can't you just picture Scandi clanging away at the keyboard !:cool:

[scandi]

I really do believe Jake does get most of his info here. After Barney told us about the insurance claim and there was no jewelry on it he moved on from Meredith. JTF made that claim and he believed it. I don't know why she did other than seeing the drawers missing and then the jewelry. If there is a warrant with the condoms like Jake claims then maybe they found the jewelry as I surmised all along, LE has it. There's gotta be an inventory list of what they LE took that we haven't seen. That warrant wouldn't be returned as long as they are still examining that evidence.

Or if they didn't want this out in the publie eye they could have the SW sealed. Would we learn about a sealed warrant? Could be there was an unopened package of condums in the jewelry drawer Jason had stashed, and in order to log in all the little items LE took the complete drawers. I think they are a mute point. There could be occasion when husbands use condums, you know :p

[raisincharlie]

I really do believe Jake does get most of his info here. After Barney told us about the insurance claim and there was no jewelry on it he moved on from Meredith. JTF made that claim and he believed it. I don't know why she did other than seeing the drawers missing and then the jewelry. If there is a warrant with the condoms like Jake claims then maybe they found the jewelry as I surmised all along, LE has it. There's gotta be an inventory list of what they LE took that we haven't seen. That warrant wouldn't be returned as long as they are still examining that evidence.

A copy of the complete inventory from the residence would be in R. Smith's hands by law. Same with the warrant from the SUV - wanna bet the condoms were in the SUV and not the residence ?

ETA - remember Jake admits he mis-reads a lot.

[scandi]

Good bet, Charlie, What is Coinkydink? Does it show on your My Profile page if someone has you on Iggy?

[raisincharlie]

Good bet, Charlie, What is Coinkydink? Does it show on your My Profile page if someone has you on Iggy?

Coincidence

I don't know about the iggy thing showing up - just "goins" off the rascal's reminders that he has 7 posters on it. I know he does not like my questions...you all know how inquisitive I am - can't help asking the questions. Curious George.

[raisincharlie]

Holy smoke Sami - I googled that - terrible. Crazy- any more word on the boy ?

[Samiya]

Holy smoke Sami - I googled that - terrible. Crazy- any more word on the boy ?

Yes hon,

He is going to be fine. He hadn't been working there for long. There is usually a couple of young girls.

says Sami
....as she bolts out the door!

[Scout]

Hi, Strach,

Do you have some reason to believe there was no evidence of sexual activity in that room? Just curious.

--Jake


Jake, are you insinuating that Michelle caught Jason (and whomever) in a compromising position when she got home from work that Thursday evening?

[spring]

Jake, are you insinuating that Michelle caught Jason (and whomever) in a compromising position when she got home from work that Thursday evening?
i think their latest brainstorm is worse than the first. i think a new pow wow is in order! maybe they can consider who really stood to gain from this murder.

[Scout]

i think their latest brainstorm is worse than the first. i think a new pow wow is in order! maybe they can consider who really stood to gain from this murder.

I'm sure my question isn't in the direction he wanted this discussion to go, but his decision to be so cryptic and coy with his remarks leaves the field wide open. Should I assume that the hints of sexual activity are about evidence that points away from Jason simply because the source believes he is innocent? That doesn't seem prudent to me. After all, he seemed to think the blood smears in the shower and Cassidy's bloody footprints in the hall bath supported the theory of someone else killing Michelle. I, and many others, saw those things as implicating Jason.

[raisincharlie]

I'm sure my question isn't in the direction he wanted this discussion to go, but his decision to be so cryptic and coy with his remarks leaves the field wide open. Should I assume that the hints of sexual activity are about evidence that points away from Jason simply because the source believes he is innocent? That doesn't seem prudent to me. After all, he seemed to think the blood smears in the shower and Cassidy's bloody footprints in the hall bath supported the theory of someone else killing Michelle. I, and many others, saw those things as implicating Jason.

That might help to explain why Jy was sitting at his computer that evening printing out pictures of Coach purses - buy off time. Anniversary was long gone while he was in Denver, Christmas too far away yet.

[spring]

I'm sure my question isn't in the direction he wanted this discussion to go, but his decision to be so cryptic and coy with his remarks leaves the field wide open. Should I assume that the hints of sexual activity are about evidence that points away from Jason simply because the source believes he is innocent? That doesn't seem prudent to me. After all, he seemed to think the blood smears in the shower and Cassidy's bloody footprints in the hall bath supported the theory of someone else killing Michelle. I, and many others, saw those things as implicating Jason.

i think the latest chapter in that book didn't go over so well. i think it has opened even more eyes to what kind of game is being played in the name of Michelle.

as for blood, doesn't it mean that if jake saw purple or blue, that blood was wiped up? it wasn't seen to the naked eye, but the substance turned that color in the presence of blood? is that right?

[Scout]

i think the latest chapter in that book didn't go over so well. i think it has opened even more eyes to what kind of game is being played in the name of Michelle.

as for blood, doesn't it mean that if jake saw purple or blue, that blood was wiped up? it wasn't seen to the naked eye, but the substance turned that color in the presence of blood? is that right?


IIRC, he said he saw blood stains outlined by the bluish/purplish substance. My guess is that the bluish/purplish substance was on the entire bloodstain but was only visible around the perimeter, on the lighter colored surface of the wall, cabinet, shower wall, etc. Hawthorn or RC could probably address this better than I.

[strach304]

A copy of the complete inventory from the residence would be in R. Smith's hands by law. Same with the warrant from the SUV - wanna bet the condoms were in the SUV and not the residence ?

ETA - remember Jake admits he mis-reads a lot.

Haven't seen the warrant for luggage either. So did you find what you were looking for last night?

Scandi, sorry I didn't answer your question about the coinkydink last night, I didn't know what you meant exactly. I only know what RC said. Where did you see that?

[strach304]

i think the latest chapter in that book didn't go over so well. i think it has opened even more eyes to what kind of game is being played in the name of Michelle.

as for blood, doesn't it mean that if jake saw purple or blue, that blood was wiped up? it wasn't seen to the naked eye, but the substance turned that color in the presence of blood? is that right?


Nothing came of all the Meredith issues and we know LE has investigated her extensively. Then I'm betting he dropped that and the robbery together after seeing the warrant along with Barney's insurance info about the jewelry. I do know in the Coral Rose case in Florida LE took the fathers cash. As for JTF claiming LE asked for descriptions during interviews of the jewelry, wouldn't they do that to make sure it was all there?

Now it's a combination of sexual assault and incompetence of LE and ME because they know the rape kit wasn't done. Suddenly the material witness questions surface. Can you get in trouble for throwing evidence away that you didn't know was evidence because LE left it. Again LE incompetence and evidence of someone else that LE didn't collect=reasonable doubt?

[scandi]

i think the latest chapter in that book didn't go over so well. i think it has opened even more eyes to what kind of game is being played in the name of Michelle.

as for blood, doesn't it mean that if jake saw purple or blue, that blood was wiped up? it wasn't seen to the naked eye, but the substance turned that color in the presence of blood? is that right?

Good Morning, and Hi Spring, I have a feeling the blue that Jake saw when he was at the crime scene was a special fingerprinting dust. I've always thought that, because I've seen it like that on TV, telling me it isn't all grafite colored like we think of it.

I remember when Amanda was standing outside the front door of the Young home, looking thru the glass panels on either side of the door. She said she saw a lot of evidence of fingerprinting. If she could easily see this in the hallway downstairs, imagine what it looked like up in the MBr!

Scandi

[scandi]

Haven't seen the warrant for luggage either. So did you find what you were looking for last night?

Scandi, sorry I didn't answer your question about the coinkydink last night, I didn't know what you meant exactly. I only know what RC said. Where did you see that?

'Mornin Strach ;}

When we first read the SW on Birchleaf I know we questioned that the inventory list seemed incomplete. In fact it seemed it was short some pages. So I think at that point smart posters :cool: here told us LE evidently chose not to make everything open to the public, which explained that.

It would have been either on the SUV or home SWs, and I don't think there were seperate warrants for these things. That is why whoever the friend was who supposedly told Jake they had taken an unused package of condems knew about this. I don't think you can seal part of a SW, and we haven't seen any sealed ones come back.

BTW, In a discussion on the Spector case at CTV, they discussed Ca law re evidence. The knowledgable poster there did say if someone takes something from a crime scene and witholds it or keeps it, they are subject to being charged for doing so. That would probably go for anything taken they eventually threw away IMHO. NC law is very different though that Ca.

Scandi

[Scout]

Good Morning, and Hi Spring, I have a feeling the blue that Jake saw when he was at the crime scene was a special fingerprinting dust. I've always thought that, because I've seen it like that on TV, telling me it isn't all grafite colored like we think of it.

I remember when Amanda was standing outside the front door of the Young home, looking thru the glass panels on either side of the door. She said she saw a lot of evidence of fingerprinting. If she could easily see this in the hallway downstairs, imagine what it looked like up in the MBr!

Scandi

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

[scandi]

Strach, about that LE incompetance and reasonable doubt, yes it was a big blunder, but I'm wondering if this base can be covered in any other way.

We have not seen the final ME report. I think in an autopsy where the body is laid out naked on the table, all orifaces would be examined. Why exclude one? If Michelle looked pristine down in that area, no scratches, bruising swelling or discoloration, and no evidence of extra fluids up inside her, it might have been the reasoning for not doing the SA kit. This ME does things differently, and maybe they can explain the lack of need as there were no visable signs of SA warranting the test. Therefore no SA occured.

I also think if they had found evidence of semen on the bedding or anywhere, they would have gone back to take DNA from all the men in the circle of known friends if it wasn't Jasons. We would have heard that, as we did hear when they went to friends and family to fingerprint them for matching.

Scandi

[scandi]

Thanks Scout! ;} BTW, I did post a good link to the 'Murder On A Quiet Street" article in People in the links section if you want it for your site. What a great presentation you have there, and it looks like you are expanding it a bit into other crimes. Scandi

[spring]

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

that was pretty interesting. so from reading that, they probably took that carpet that they cut and were able to determine foot impressions from it then, right? they surely have a lot of evidence in this case. thinking about it being in a relatively small area, i wonder just how much Meredith checking her would have changed the dynamics of what was left.

[strach304]

Scandi, we still don't know where the luggage was. It wasn't listed in the SUV. Perhaps it was taken at the hotel or there was a second car. Why would Jason move his luggage into a different vehicle? Yes, we know the inventory taken from the house wasn't a full list.

As for the SA kit and incompetence, I'm not saying it will hold up in court. I thought I posted a link here last week or so describing what is done in a rape case. The swabs were one of the things listed so I agree the ME may have done those and said you don't need both. Remember Geragos insisting the bar-b-que sauce was blood and there wasn't enough of a sample left for the defense to do their own test?

[Bellgardin]

Good Morning, and Hi Spring, I have a feeling the blue that Jake saw when he was at the crime scene was a special fingerprinting dust. I've always thought that, because I've seen it like that on TV, telling me it isn't all grafite colored like we think of it.

I remember when Amanda was standing outside the front door of the Young home, looking thru the glass panels on either side of the door. She said she saw a lot of evidence of fingerprinting. If she could easily see this in the hallway downstairs, imagine what it looked like up in the MBr!

Scandi

Fingerprinting powder comes in an array of colors for different types of materials and applications. I learned that in a community policing course I took with the police department where I live. I always thought it was only one color, but it's not!

[Bellgardin]

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

Thanks for the link. That was a really fascinating article! Very informative.

[jake]

'Mornin Strach ;}

When we first read the SW on Birchleaf I know we questioned that the inventory list seemed incomplete. In fact it seemed it was short some pages. So I think at that point smart posters :cool: here told us LE evidently chose not to make everything open to the public, which explained that.

It would have been either on the SUV or home SWs, and I don't think there were seperate warrants for these things. That is why whoever the friend was who supposedly told Jake they had taken an unused package of condems knew about this. I don't think you can seal part of a SW, and we haven't seen any sealed ones come back.

BTW, In a discussion on the Spector case at CTV, they discussed Ca law re evidence. The knowledgable poster there did say if someone takes something from a crime scene and witholds it or keeps it, they are subject to being charged for doing so. That would probably go for anything taken they eventually threw away IMHO. NC law is very different though that Ca.

Scandi

That relieves my mind. I didn't see a crime scene.

--Jake

[jake]

Jake, are you insinuating that Michelle caught Jason (and whomever) in a compromising position when she got home from work that Thursday evening?

If you say so, Scout. Makes as much sense as some other theories.... condoms in the jewelry drawers so take the whole drawers???

--Jake

[jake]

I'm sure my question isn't in the direction he wanted this discussion to go, but his decision to be so cryptic and coy with his remarks leaves the field wide open. Should I assume that the hints of sexual activity are about evidence that points away from Jason simply because the source believes he is innocent? That doesn't seem prudent to me. After all, he seemed to think the blood smears in the shower and Cassidy's bloody footprints in the hall bath supported the theory of someone else killing Michelle. I, and many others, saw those things as implicating Jason.

I asked a simple question about why she believes what she believes. Is this my answer: I am being "cryptic and coy"? OK, you answered for her. Thank you.

--Jake

[scandi]

That relieves my mind. I didn't see a crime scene.

--JakeThat's because you were in NC. Had it been Ca, after LE takes down the yellow tape is the time when those from the defenses corner are allowed to walk thru the crime scene. Then the cleaners come in.

Gee, that does kind of sound like what happened with the Young home, so possibly this part of the law is the same in both states. I know their laws on evidence are different though.

Even though the tape is down it is still a crime scene - the location where the crime was perpetrated. Scandi

[Bellgardin]

I'm trying to catch up on the latest. Have read sporadically since Friday , am caught up on the absence of SA exam etc.

Am I to ascertain from this post that you are inferring that the victim was having a sexual relationship with someone other than her husband ?

Is that the so called "sex angle" ?

And that this contributed to her death ?

If I am reading this correctly , you'd best have some real facts to support such an accusation.

Please respond as swiftly as possible to clear this up.

Jake, what about clearing these questions up. You never responded to this. I'm mighty curious as to your answer.

[jake]

"Jason dearly loved Michelle" says Spencer Smith, who lived down the street from where Jason grew up in Brevard, N.C. "He was looking forward with a reat deal of anticipation to the son that was going to be born. That's a double loss to him".

Young, too, "Dearly loves Cassidy", says his friend Spencer Smith.

The notion that Young could have been having an affair with Money - a part time community college math teacher who lives in Ocoee, Fla, with her husband Steve, 34, a golf course superintendent, and their 2 year old son - "Would absolutely floor me" Smith says. "He's always been an ethical man".

Typed up from my copy of People magazine dated January 22 2007.

Sami

and edited coz I can't type all that fast :)

Sami, I hope you can explain your fascination with Spencer. He's Jason's friend. He has nothing to do with this murder investigation. You want him to read the board's comments and feel....what? Why not leave the man alone.

--Jake

[Bellgardin]

Okay, you're not one of the analytical ones. That's cool. It is what it is.

I'll try: Whatever was leaked to AL had to do with Michelle and sex. LE leaked it in a CYA move for when the sex angle comes out.

No "claim to fame" here. And I'm sure the more analytical posters will show up sometime and give us a better analysis.

--Jake

Whoops, my previous post should have included this one too because this is the post she was referring to. Sorry, still new at this quoting thing!

[spring]

Sami, I hope you can explain your fascination with Spencer. He's Jason's friend. He has nothing to do with this murder investigation. You want him to read the board's comments and feel....what? Why not leave the man alone.

--Jake
why did the camp involve him?

[jake]

snipped ++++++++++
I also think if they had found evidence of semen on the bedding or anywhere, they would have gone back to take DNA from all the men in the circle of known friends if it wasn't Jasons. We would have heard that, as we did hear when they went to friends and family to fingerprint them for matching.

Scandi

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And if LE had found evidence of semen, they would have taken the bedding, I reckon.

--Jake

[jake]

That's because you were in NC. Had it been Ca, after LE takes down the yellow tape is the time when those from the defenses corner are allowed to walk thru the crime scene. Then the cleaners come in.

Gee, that does kind of sound like what happened with the Young home, so possibly this part of the law is the same in both states. I know their laws on evidence are different though.

Even though the tape is down it is still a crime scene - the location where the crime was perpetrated. Scandi

Nope. Not a crime scene after LE releases it. A location, sure. Otherwise, when does it stop being a 'crime scene'?

--Jake

[scandi]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And if LE had found evidence of semen, they would have taken the bedding, I reckon.

--Jake

We have only heard a rumor of a sheet with some blood on it being left at the crime scene, so far. Bedding infers more than a sheet.

Also Jake, this morning we learned that when the surface is fabric that has blood on it, it is usually best to do the testing at the scene, before anything is removed.

[scandi]

Nope. Not a crime scene after LE releases it. A location, sure. Otherwise, when does it stop being a 'crime scene'?

--Jake

I suppose when the scene is cleaned up. But if a Realtor walks through that bedroom tomorrow with a client and questions are asked about the murder, she would probably say something like this is where the crime scene was.

[spring]

++++++++++++++++++++++++++

And if LE had found evidence of semen, they would have taken the bedding, I reckon.

--Jake
maybe they found semen on the carpeting they took.

[raisincharlie]

Sami, I hope you can explain your fascination with Spencer. He's Jason's friend. He has nothing to do with this murder investigation. You want him to read the board's comments and feel....what? Why not leave the man alone.

--Jake

Not so Jake, he has made certain claims on Jy's behalf in the public media. His comments relate specifically to this murder investigation. Fair enough to measure those words and size them up to known aspects of the case.

Are you saying the man who claims message boards are entertainment fodder does indeed read said message boards ? Does this also imply there is the public side degrading message boards and posters while the private side is actively roaming on the boards they publically chastise? How odd.

[Bellgardin]

Nope. Not a crime scene after LE releases it. A location, sure. Otherwise, when does it stop being a 'crime scene'?

--Jake

Jake, if you can see this, am I on ignore or are you just ignoring me manually??

Just curious!!!

[scandi]

To clarify the 'crime scene' question, I think after the scene is cleaned and the 'scene' is no longer visable, it is then called 'the scene of the crime'.

I think that is important, because often I have seen where CSI will go back to the exact scene of the crime to look for other evidence they might have missed. It always remains the scene of the crime even though you might not know it by looking at it.

BTW, often they do find things that were either missed or not seemingly related to the crime at the time.

[jake]

We have only heard a rumor of a sheet with some blood on it being left at the crime scene, so far. Bedding infers more than a sheet.

Also Jake, this morning we learned that when the surface is fabric that has blood on it, it is usually best to do the testing at the scene, before anything is removed.

I reckon that explains why LE didn't take it. Still, if the DA plans to use any evidence gained, wouldn't he have to give the defense a chance to examine the evidence?

By the way, do you know if there is a difference between LE and CCBI? I mean, are we accurate on the board when we say LE investigated the crime scene? You know how I am about accuracy.

--Jake

[Bellgardin]

To clarify the 'crime scene' question, I think after the scene is cleaned and the 'scene' is no longer visable, it is then called 'the scene of the crime'.

I think that is important, because often I have seen where CSI will go back to the exact scene of the crime to look for other evidence they might have missed. It always remains the scene of the crime even though you might not know it by looking at it.

BTW, often they do find things that were either missed or not seemingly related to the crime at the time.

I've heard that even after cleaning, the blood will still be visible at a crime scene (with luminol or such) even years later, but you just can't see it with the naked eye. The only way to come close to getting rid of it is to replace all of the flooring and walls.

[QueenBee]

While looking back over the search warrants on WRAL I noticed that on the search warrant for JY's vehicle, on the last page you can see that there were 3 more items #13 thru #15 that are not available for viewing.

BF, when you looked at the warrants were you able to view them each individually or just the bundle? Could they seal the last page only?

[jake]

To clarify the 'crime scene' question, I think after the scene is cleaned and the 'scene' is no longer visable, it is then called 'the scene of the crime'.

I think that is important, because often I have seen where CSI will go back to the exact scene of the crime to look for other evidence they might have missed. It always remains the scene of the crime even though you might not know it by looking at it.

BTW, often they do find things that were either missed or not seemingly related to the crime at the time.

Okay. If I took something from that location, or threw something away I found at that location, I believe LE could not arrest me. I believe the location was no longer THE crime scene. It's a location I need to clean up.

--Jake

[scandi]

Here is an article about a contended piece of missing evidence taken from a crime scene after LAPD was finished and the defense did their sweep of the scene. Spector case:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/eonline/20070503/en_music_eo/a7f7061279a7_4efa_93ea_4eab8c05b2d6

[QueenBee]

I reckon that explains why LE didn't take it. Still, if the DA plans to use any evidence gained, wouldn't he have to give the defense a chance to examine the evidence?

By the way, do you know if there is a difference between LE and CCBI? I mean, are we accurate on the board when we say LE investigated the crime scene? You know how I am about accuracy.

--Jake

Yes, CCBI is a completely different entity.

[raisincharlie]

While looking back over the search warrants on WRAL I noticed that on the search warrant for JY's vehicle, on the last page you can see that there were 3 more items #13 thru #15 that are not available for viewing.

BF, when you looked at the warrants were you able to view them each individually or just the bundle? Could they seal the last page only?

Item 13 - 1 Dell computer with black case - Lattitude D620

Item 14 - assorted papers

Item 15 - Precision Tune work order for July 14, 2006

[scandi]

Okay. If I took something from that location, or threw something away I found at that location, I believe LE could not arrest me. I believe the location was no longer THE crime scene. It's a location I need to clean up.

--Jake

Had Jasons lawyer already had his team walk thru the crime scene? When you were there the scene was still there, not cleaned up, but you evidently had approval to start the cleaning.

They do things differently in NC. In Los Angeles, the LAPD does the initial investigation of the crime scene. Then come the defense team followed by the DA's team. 'Initial' tells me LAPD can come back in to do further testing and that it remains under their auspices {sp} until the cleaning crew is called in.

Did they give you any special instructions?



ETA: Heaven forbid the thought we will someday have to post an article talking about a missing piece of potential evidence in this case when it is at trial !

[spring]

Had Jasons lawyer already had his team walk thru the crime scene? When you were there the scene was still there, not cleaned up, but you evidently had approval to start the cleaning.

They do things differently in NC. In Los Angeles, the LAPD does the initial investigation of the crime scene. Then come the defense team followed by the DA's team. 'Initial' tells me LAPD can come back in to do further testing and that it remains under their auspices {sp} until the cleaning crew is called in.

Did they give you any special instructions?



ETA: Heaven forbid the thought we will someday have to post an article talking about a missing piece of potential evidence in this case when it is at trial !

this may be a weird question, and i don't know if the box of condoms is still at issue, but why did the family need to be hyped up about a box of condoms and taking them to jason? did they think he was in a hurry to use them now? just curious.

[Bellgardin]

this may be a weird question, and i don't know if the box of condoms is still at issue, but why did the family need to be hyped up about a box of condoms and taking them to jason? did they think he was in a hurry to use them now? just curious.

Since it seems that they don't believe that JY was having an affair they must assume they weren't JY's? But, do we know where they took them from? I mean, were they from the house or the car? It would be pretty hard to argue they weren't his if for instance, they came from his car.

[scandi]

this may be a weird question, and i don't know if the box of condoms is still at issue, but why did the family need to be hyped up about a box of condoms and taking them to jason? did they think he was in a hurry to use them now? just curious.

Hi Spring,

I've been trying to learn more about the procedures of the CCBI, and happened upon this link to a fascinating read:

http://truecrimeblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/of-janet-abaroa-and-michelle-young-and.html#links

We all read Steve Huff, and he belongs to WS, in fact saw him reading here on another case last night. Maybe he'll slip in here tonight, for I would love to hear what he has to say with the new updates in the case.


Anyway, I am going to retreive a little Snippet for you Spring that I think is pertinent to your thoughts.

Snippet
"This case will not go away any time soon — it is too complex and intriguing.

Husbands who kill their wives either make them disappear, make it look like robbery, or sometimes try to make the slaying look like a sex crime — and the signal that the killer wasn’t after anything but death is often that there wasn’t any sex after all. Steve Huff

[Scout]

If you say so, Scout. Makes as much sense as some other theories.... condoms in the jewelry drawers so take the whole drawers???

--Jake

What? Are you saying the condoms were stolen by the killer, too?

[Scout]

I asked a simple question about why she believes what she believes. Is this my answer: I am being "cryptic and coy"? OK, you answered for her. Thank you.

--Jake

You've lost me, Jake. Why who believes what she believes?

My posts were in response to your persistent hints about some sort of sexual activity in relation to the murder. You seem to think that you know something that you won't just come out and say. Your habit of tossing out crumbs and seeing what others will make of them is annoying and frustrating. You don't seem to mind that until someone makes something that you didn't intend for them to make. What's that saying about the best laid plans of mice and men?

[scandi]

LOL I always loved that word 'aglay'. Reminds me of Rommel, and old time poster from 2002 ;}


I was also thinking about Jakes comment where he mentioned that investigators are beginning a new round of interviews with people. Wonder what this is all about. I think he said it came from AL's recent article.

Scandi

[Dominique]

Leucocrystal Violet (LCV) is most likely what Jake saw at the crime scene, imo.

http://www.bvda.com/EN/prdctinf/LCV_Bodziak.html

Or possibly ninhydrin...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ninhydrin

from what I read, it would work best on paper, tho. any porous surface can yield a reaction...I wonder if the blue/purple that Jake saw was on wallpaper?

[jake]

Had Jasons lawyer already had his team walk thru the crime scene? When you were there the scene was still there, not cleaned up, but you evidently had approval to start the cleaning.

They do things differently in NC. In Los Angeles, the LAPD does the initial investigation of the crime scene. Then come the defense team followed by the DA's team. 'Initial' tells me LAPD can come back in to do further testing and that it remains under their auspices {sp} until the cleaning crew is called in.

Did they give you any special instructions?



ETA: Heaven forbid the thought we will someday have to post an article talking about a missing piece of potential evidence in this case when it is at trial !

I reckon things are done differently in NC. I don't know of any special instruction given to the family after the house was returned. I wasn't given any special instructions while I was there.

I am under the impression the family could do what they liked with the house. Investigators were through with it.

--Jake

[spring]

I reckon things are done differently in NC. I don't know of any special instruction given to the family after the house was returned. I wasn't given any special instructions while I was there.

I am under the impression the family could do what they liked with the house. Investigators were through with it.

--Jake
and you thought the condoms were important enuf to take from the home?

[strach304]

Spring, we don't really know if he took condoms, threw away bloody socks and for that matter if it was him since he said at one time Jason's family member.

[spring]

Spring, we don't really know if he took condoms, threw away bloody socks and for that matter if it was him since he said at one time Jason's family member.
oh, gotcha! i forgot those stories go in circles. hopefully the bullseye will pop up soon, and we'll have an arrest!

[jake]

You've lost me, Jake. Why who believes what she believes?

My posts were in response to your persistent hints about some sort of sexual activity in relation to the murder. You seem to think that you know something that you won't just come out and say. Your habit of tossing out crumbs and seeing what others will make of them is annoying and frustrating. You don't seem to mind that until someone makes something that you didn't intend for them to make. What's that saying about the best laid plans of mice and men?

Come on, Scout, use your brain. AL said she received some information. Then she said she reviewed case files (whatever that means). Then she writes a story about missing sex test. Somebody-- LE? DA? CCBI?-- whispered in AL's ear.

What's a person supposed to think? CCBI or LE or both missed something having to do with sex. AL is trying to find out what it is. So are the posters on this board. Haven't checked the other boards, but posters there are probably doing the same.

Don't talk to me about crumbs. Somebody is leaking, but it's not I.

--Jake

[scandi]

Come on, Scout, use your brain. AL said she received some information. Then she said she reviewed case files (whatever that means). Then she writes a story about missing sex test. Somebody-- LE? DA? CCBI?-- whispered in AL's ear.

What's a person supposed to think? CCBI or LE or both missed something having to do with sex. AL is trying to find out what it is. So are the posters on this board. Haven't checked the other boards, but posters there are probably doing the same.

Don't talk to me about crumbs. Somebody is leaking, but it's not I.

--Jake

OK! Think I have it now LOL

Jake you told us in Feb when you emailed this person you encouraged her to investigate {can't remember your exact words}. You were very concerned about no AS being done when we all studied the AR, so you probably used that as an example for your concern.

So upon the 6 mo anniversary of the crime she did go back, and lo and behold she saw your statement about checking into things. She could have called the head of CCBI and one thing led to another and she learned it had been asked for but not done.

I don't know if Smith would have been given a copy of the paper that accompanied the body to the morgue asking for the test. Do you know?

[spring]

citygirl,

is it possible i know you :cool: if you are who i think you are, i have missed you!

[jake]

OK! Think I have it now LOL

Jake you told us in Feb when you emailed this person you encouraged her to investigate {can't remember your exact words}. You were very concerned about no AS being done when we all studied the AR, so you probably used that as an example for your concern.

So upon the 6 mo anniversary of the crime she did go back, and lo and behold she saw your statement about checking into things. She could have called the head of CCBI and one thing led to another and she learned it had been asked for but not done.

I don't know if Smith would have been given a copy of the paper that accompanied the body to the morgue asking for the test. Do you know?

No, Scandi, I don't know. But I'd bet he wasn't given a copy.

So you think nobody gave AL info. Well, that's possible that she stumbled across something as she was reviewing. But I don't believe it.

--Jake

[scandi]

A presumptive leak, Hmmmmmmm that might backfire. However, even though I think the test should have been done as asked for by CCBI {I think}, we don't have the final ME report as of yet. It might cover why the test was not done.