Dna Results

[Dr. Doogie]

We received the DNA results this afternoon and they are negative - C is not Anna.

Everyone both here in HMB and back with C is taking this in stride. Everyone is so grateful for all of the help and prayers that you all have provided to get us to this point. We will be taking a couple of days to decompress and re-evaluate what the next step in the search will be, but the search will definitely continue and Websleuths will continue to be at the heart of that search.

I haven't had access to a computer for a few days, but I understand that it was suggested that media be notified of a possible news story breaking. I know that Annasunc asked that we all sit tight and not contact the media at this point - let me explain why. We have been working with a film crew from a news magazine on a major network this week about Anna's story. Since the negative results meant that we did not have the story that they hoped to have, it is debatable now whether the footage will be used - they may use it now, may hold on to it until we do have "the rest of the story" or they may shelve it. Part of our agreement with them was a trade-off - they get exclusive footage and they would then provide certain footage for "pool coverage" that other outlets could use. We were attempting to avoid the media "feeding frenzy" that often accompanies the breaking news of events such as what we had hoped would occur. Part of this agreement was that they would not break the story until either we or LE had made a public announcement, or that the story broke by other media. Because of this, we wanted to control the involvement by other media sources that would disrupt our timetable. Up to this point, we have desired any media involvement, but at this juncture, any additional media involvement would have muddied up the works. Great idea, but you were all not aware of what was happening behind the scenes.

The search for Anna will continue. Websleuths will be the forum that we continue to use to access the wonder help that you all offer. On behalf of the family and friends of Anna, thank you for everything that you have done up to this point and for the help that you will continue provide.

[GraceBlue]

Thank you for updating us Doogie. Thank you C for being such a good sport in all this. And Bless Anna's family. WE WILL NOT GIVE UP THE SEARCH FOR ANNA!

[JDB]

DD Now that we know C is not Anna.What are the chances are evryone there decompress . We try getting answers about Jonestown? I was hoping but the good lord has his reason for all of this.
Please give Anna's family and C my love. And yes grace C went the extra mile here.

[Dr. Doogie]

The film crew interviewed both Annasmom and myself. They also filmed some background footage of Annasmom rehearsing for a concert. The producer and the crew a both fine journalists and fine people. After the negative results, they all came in - no camera and no tapes - just to offer their condolances and thanks for Annasmom letting them into her home and life for the last few days. And making good on a promise, Annasmom then gave the producer a short piano lesson in thanks for their kindness. These guys were a class act.

[MissieMt]

God Bless all of you. I will continue to keep Anna and all of you in my prayers. He won't bring you to it if He can't bring you through it-those words have always kept me going.

[MagicRose99]

Thanks for the news Doogie! Even though it's not what we were praying for, our search will go on! Me and my trusting PSP are waiting to do more composites for you... we WILL find Anna for her family.

Thank you "C" for letting us into your life and hopefully you'll always consider yourself a part of our family here. If there's anything we can do to help you with your search... all you have to do is ask!

(((HUGS))) to all!

[GraceBlue]

Doogie...did they run the DNA in CODIS for a match with an unidentified?

[InterestedNHelping]

Thank you 'C' for letting all of this into your life, we so appreciate the wonderful person you are...Anna's family, we are all still here, ready willing and able to assist you, for as long as it takes, Blessings

[PSUfan]

I am praying for "C", and praying that the search continues. Oh, I am so sorry that this did not work out the way we had hoped.

[Lisahas2cats]

I hope that everyone involved eventually gets resolution and answers. I have either not read closely, or it has been kept very quiet, what "C"'s background situation is that made her a strong possibility in the first place, but I especially hope that she gets the answers she seeks.

[Dr. Doogie]

...what "C"'s background situation is that made her a strong possibility in the first place...

Many of the details about C's past have been purposely left off the forum(or obscured) to protect her privacy. In general, there were major questions as to whether she was in fact related to her "family" or not. Those questions still remain, it is just whether she was Anna or not that have been answered today.

[mfmangel1]

The Lord's spirit and guiding angels will keep all of us going.

Still sending special thoughts and prayers for everyone involved.

Though I feel heartbroken, I truly believe we will find dear Anna.

[gidget641]

I have never posted before on any of Anna's threads. Mainly because any thought that I could come up with seemed to have already been mentioned by other posters.

However, I have been right here with everyone checking several times a day to see if in fact anna had been found. While I am disappointed for "c", Annasmom, and the rest of the family. I have faith that sooner or later everyones hard work will pay off.

Dr. Doogie to you I must say you are a remarkable person. Anna's family has a true gem of a friend in you. I have no doubt that your determination will get to the bottom of this very sad mystery.

gidget

[JanetElaine]

Oh my gosh.... I'm sorry it turned out this way. Big hugs for Annasmom and family, and for C. And for Doogie. But you're family, right? :)

I will be keeping everyone in my prayers still. I'm not too great of a sleuth, but I'm hoping and praying the combined efforts of everyone will lead to Anna being found.

I'm also hoping C will find the answers to her questions. No doubt this all put her on a more or less unstoppable course with those, too.

My very, very best wishes to all involved.

[annemc2]

Wow. I am so impressed by everyone who has been involved in the search for Anna and the identity of "C."

Annasmom (as well as everyone so closely connected to this, including C and JoeFord) is the epitome of class and grace, handling this rollercoaster of emotions with such great dignity.

At the risk of sounding veerrrry cheesy, I have to say that the search for Anna has reaffirmed my belief in innate human good and kindness. We have all been brought together by a very special girl - now let's find her.

[Shadow205]

DD, please give everyone there a big WS's hug from all of us. This really is not the news that I thought that we would hear.
When you are ready just let us know and we'll pick up where we left off in the search for Anna.

[gardenmom]

I'm so sorry the search must go on, but on it must go. Love to you.

[christine2448]

Shadow has a collection of pictures of Anna, I asked her to post some......I am thinking of her as I hear this news.....where is she?


I am so proud of you all. Hugs to all involved, I don't know what else to say. I can't even begin to understand what you all are going through.

I am not very familiar with C and her circumstances, but I send her love and prayers.......I'm not sure what C is searching for...but I am sure whatever she is searching for you Wsers can and will help her if she wishes.

[Shadow205]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/1343377924_m.jpg

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a273/shadow205/AWaters2.jpg

[InterestedNHelping]

I wanted to mention how entirely amazing and kind those who are working on this case truly are...there were many many people in this public forum, waiting for those results, and all of them kept quiet, respecting the wish of this family, and not contacting media or seeking any personal gain, and it is very impressive. The people in this forum are a group of talented, genuine and caring people.Blessings to my fellow WS'ers, you are a treasured bunch!

[joellegirl]

It is good to have the answer, even though it wasn't the answer we were hoping for. I admit I am bummed but I think we are on the right track and we are getting closer to finding Anna. This is such a great group here and if it is possible to find Anna this group will! Hugs to Anna's family, Doogie and "C". We will continue to be here for all of you as you continue your journey.

[mysteriew]

DD, please give everyone there a big WS's hug from all of us. This really is not the news that I thought that we would hear.
When you are ready just let us know and we'll pick up where we left off in the search for Anna.

I second this motion!

I was so hoping this was a match, that Anna had been found. I cannot imagine what the family is going through right now. I am so so sorry.

The only thing I can offer just like others have is that the search can go again. This time with some advantages. The DNA is in the system, more is known about the situation now and it has gotten attention from LE again. And when you all are ready, it goes forward here too. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you.

[sissy's mom]

I'm so sorry to hear this news...
prayers to your family.. Annasmom

and to C

[kyresearcher]

I know this is disappointing news for Anna's family, DrDoogie, C and all the sleuthers but we will come back stronger than ever when everyone has had time to digest these results.
Everyone has worked so hard to find Anna and we will continue until she is found! Never have I ever seen so much dedication and outpouring of love as I have seen on this forum. Praying that God will give the family comfort today and each day as we continue our search for precious Anna.

[SherlockJr]

Our disappointment with the results is only temporary. We have also learned some lessons in the past 6 months for future possible Anna's we may run into. Annasmom is an inspiration for all of us to continue the search for Anna Christian Waters. :clap:

[Cubby]

I'm sorry these weren't the results we had hoped for or expected. Thanks to C for the courage she demonstrated in working through this with us. I pray that she too finds the answers she is seeking. She has a group of friends here should she need us.

Hugs to Annasmom family and friends. We'll keep searching. I believe one day we will find Anna

[natasha-cupcake]

There is not much else I can say that hasn't been said already. Hugs and prayers to all, most especially to you, Annasmom.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I'm so very sorry the results where negative. The only words I can muster up come from the Bible. "May the Lord look on you with favor and give you peace." (Numbers 6.26)

[MagicRose99]

We received the DNA results this afternoon and they are negative - C is not Anna.

Everyone both here in HMB and back with C is taking this in stride. Everyone is so grateful for all of the help and prayers that you all have provided to get us to this point. We will be taking a couple of days to decompress and re-evaluate what the next step in the search will be, but the search will definitely continue and Websleuths will continue to be at the heart of that search.

I haven't had access to a computer for a few days, but I understand that it was suggested that media be notified of a possible news story breaking. I know that Annasunc asked that we all sit tight and not contact the media at this point - let me explain why. We have been working with a film crew from a news magazine on a major network this week about Anna's story. Since the negative results meant that we did not have the story that they hoped to have, it is debatable now whether the footage will be used - they may use it now, may hold on to it until we do have "the rest of the story" or they may shelve it. Part of our agreement with them was a trade-off - they get exclusive footage and they would then provide certain footage for "pool coverage" that other outlets could use. We were attempting to avoid the media "feeding frenzy" that often accompanies the breaking news of events such as what we had hoped would occur. Part of this agreement was that they would not break the story until either we or LE had made a public announcement, or that the story broke by other media. Because of this, we wanted to control the involvement by other media sources that would disrupt our timetable. Up to this point, we have desired any media involvement, but at this juncture, any additional media involvement would have muddied up the works. Great idea, but you were all not aware of what was happening behind the scenes.

The search for Anna will continue. Websleuths will be the forum that we continue to use to access the wonder help that you all offer. On behalf of the family and friends of Anna, thank you for everything that you have done up to this point and for the help that you will continue provide.

I've been thinking... I really hope that this news magazine show would go ahead and air this episode. Not only would it show the plight that some families go through to find their loved ones, it would bring national attention for Anna... and maybe... just maybe, someone out there has info for us...

Someone might recognize a grown Anna...
Someone might recognize something they saw, something they heard... that they didn't realize at the time...
Someone might recognize a pic of GB...
Someone might have info on MK

Can we appeal to this show to air what they have?

[AMF]

We all share in the disappointment, but we also all share in the gifts that God's given us through this experience. The gifts of reigniting interest in Anna's Story, the gifts of bring Anna's family and friends closer together, the gift of "C" and her story, and the gift of the renewed investigations.

I can only imagine the swell of emotions felt by the family and friends, but I can see that no one is willing to stop... this family of WS is ready and willing to press on. We may not know God's plan in all of this, but we do know he has one. Our jobs are to push on to the next level.

I like the idea of national attention to the story and the heartbreak. It may very well be the key to someone else and what is needed. Time to get back to work on this case!

AMF

[Mr. E]

I'm so sorry. I was really hoping and hoping. The search isn't over yet. Somewhere, somebody has got to know something.

[Gina_M]

The search will continue. As Winston Churchill said, "Never, never, never, never, never, never give up!"

[smile22]

prayers to anna's mom and family c and everyone else we will keep on searching. i wrote another poem


we will keep on searching
far and wide
for answers
we need to find
prayers faith
is what we need
never giving up
a dedicated
group of
websleuthers
fighting and searching
till we find
anna

[Annasmom]

Well, all of us have mothers and some of us are mothers, so the greeting is to one and all. I've been trying to think what to say to the WebSleuthers who were so hopeful that we would have had some answers by today. All I can think of is the words to a choral piece I heard a few months ago. They go something like:

I believe in the sun
Even when it's dark.
I believe in love
Even when there is no feeling.
I believe in God
Even when God is silent.

I may not know what has become of Anna, but somewhere it is known. I haven't given up. And I want to tell all of you how grateful I am for your affection, your skillful searching, and your support.

[Gina_M]

Annasmom,

I love that poem. Its words have gotten me through some difficult times. Thank you for being so kind to all of us. Hope you have a very happy Mother's Day :blowkiss:

[JanetElaine]

Happy Mother's Day to you too, Annasmom (and to all moms here).
Thank you for that poem. You have no idea how bad I needed to be reminded of it's message today. Thank you.

[rideforfun]

My blessings to "c" for letting us explore this idea. I hope she'll continue to look for her answers -- maybe doing a DNA with her sibling to determine if they are full, half or not related. I hope as she continues her journey about her past she builds her dream life with her husband and her family. She has shown herself to be a wonderful, compassionate person and like all of you I just wish her the best of everything.

Blessings to Anna's family in this time of reflection. I agree with everyone who points out all that we have learned and our resolve to keep going.

[Cubby]

Someone else asked and it wasn't answered. Was the dna run through codis?

[Jodibug]

This is the first time I have posted since the results. I have been reading, but I really just don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't understand it at all. It seems illogical to me that C could have all those memories that should have been exclusive to Anna.

I still don't know what to think or say. I just want Annasmom and C to know that I have been thinking of them.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Someone else asked and it wasn't answered. Was the dna run through codis?

I've wondered this as well. If Anna's DNA was ruled out for Sharon Marshall match months ago, it seems that it should have been compared to every Doe out there by now. That question is never answered. Maybe it was over looked.

[LinasK]

Honestly, I don't understand it at all. It seems illogical to me that C could have all those memories that should have been exclusive to Anna.



That's been bothering me too... how to explain that.

[Dr. Doogie]

Someone else asked and it wasn't answered. Was the dna run through codis?

I believe that it has, but I will be working to confirm that shortly.

I was waiting in the backyard while the detective delivered the results to Annasmom (I wanted to allow the family the privacy that the moment demanded), so I did not get a chance to speak to him. I will contact the detective via email and get the answer to this question.

[Dr. Doogie]

If Anna's DNA was ruled out for Sharon Marshall match months ago, it seems that it should have been compared to every Doe out there by now.

DNA was not the basis for ruling out Anna as Sharon Marshall - it was based on different eye colors and that Annasmom did not think that Sharon resembled Anna (in both the early picture of SM and FDF or in the latter pictures of Sharon).

[Dr. Doogie]

...I have been reading, but I really just don't know what to say. Honestly, I don't understand it at all. It seems illogical to me that C could have all those memories that should have been exclusive to Anna.

It was these very things that seemed so much like Anna that changed my opinion from hopeful pessimism to unbridled optimism. One logical answer is that C had a series of experiences that paralleled those of Anna - just enough of them to convince us of a match.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

DNA was not the basis for ruling out Anna as Sharon Marshall - it was based on different eye colors and that Annasmom did not think that Sharon resembled Anna (in both the early picture of SM and FDF or in the latter pictures of Sharon).

Oops, sorry. My bad :bang:

[Dr. Doogie]

Oops, sorry. My bad :bang:

No problemo - just wanted to clarify. :)

[JDB]

It was these very things that seemed so much like Anna that changed my opinion from hopeful pessimism to unbridled optimism. One logical answer is that C had a series of experiences that paralleled those of Anna - just enough of them to convince us of a match.

But DD what about the Bus??How did C know the colors?

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

But DD what about the Bus??How did C know the colors?

My guess on that is maybe it was painted like the "Partridge Family" bus, and she recalled images of the hit TV show that would have been popular when she was young....just guessing, I really have no idea. (Actually there where several Bus families on TV over the years...)

[Dr. Doogie]

But DD what about the Bus?? How did C know the colors?

That is what has left us all scratching our heads... :waitasec:

[Dr. Doogie]

My guess on that is maybe it was painted like the "Partridge Family" bus, and she recalled images of the hit TV show that would have been popular when she was young....

I did leave the part out of her recovered memories about the entire family wearing ridiculous bell-bottom pants and singing cheezy pop songs in a band. That might have helped explain it...

(Just kidding!)

[rideforfun]

I have wondered about the memory match ups also -- especially since some seemed very specific. Certainly general things like the Scooby Do buy or the Partridge Family bus could be the answer.

Another answer might be that we all have degrees of psychic ability. Think of how many times you know who is on the phone when it rings, etc. Within our psychic abilities people are generally either stronger at being "senders" or "receivers". It is sort of like being right or left handed. I think it is possible that Anna is a "receiver" and as we came to question her on specific things like the bus color she "received" impressions through dreams that seemed to be memories. The stronger the images sent (number of people, intensity, clarity) the more to receive. You can try this with your family or friends. Think of a room in a house and send. Really focus on it. You'll have people in your life that can "get" that image way past the odds of guessing it.

I'm sure this is pretty far out for some. I'm not saying that Anna should get her own Psychic hotline just that we all have some ability and it usually shows up stronger in the sender or receiver area. I think she is a receiver.

Blessings to all and hopefully no offense to anyone!

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I did leave the part out of her recovered memories about the entire family wearing ridiculous bell-bottom pants and singing cheezy pop songs in a band. That might have helped explain it...

(Just kidding!)


HAHA...Blahhaha. You really had me going for a minute.:D :D :D

[Gina_M]

C'mon, get happy! :crazy:

[smile22]

when i was little i used to sing words to songs i was sure i never heard before i had to be around 8 or 9. i was born in 81 and the music was from when i was a baby. it was really strange untill i saw my aunts collection of lps. its kinda weird how the mind works

[Dr. Doogie]

The detective has responded to my email and let me know that Anna's DNA was compared to existing UID's with no matches - this means that we have no reason to believe that she is not alive today. This is good news.

[MagicRose99]

The detective has responded to my email and let me know that Anna's DNA was compared to existing UID's with no matches - this means that we have no reason to believe that she is not alive today. This is good news.

Then let's get going! This IS wonderful news! Keeping prayers going that we find the answers soon.

[Cubby]

The detective has responded to my email and let me know that Anna's DNA was compared to existing UID's with no matches - this means that we have no reason to believe that she is not alive today. This is good news.


Not just good news, excellent news!

[SherlockJr]

The detective has responded to my email and let me know that Anna's DNA was compared to existing UID's with no matches - this means that we have no reason to believe that she is not alive today. This is good news.


:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

This was one question I was afraid of getting the answer to. Thank you Jesus, for answered prayers!

[christine2448]

The detective has responded to my email and let me know that Anna's DNA was compared to existing UID's with no matches - this means that we have no reason to believe that she is not alive today. This is good news.

I just was popping in, have stayed away for a bit, letting things settle. Hope you all are doing well. Was curious to see if anything had been posted about 'what's next'.

So very happy to hear this news!

I send love to all of you and..don't forget Doogie, you know there are 10,000 + members on this board just a PM/email away. Let us know what/when, we can do to help if needed. There are many of us who don't get directly involved in every thread but follow this case very closely, but I know I can speak for a bunch of the members here, just shout out to us when you need an extra hand!

Are you gonna start a thread to research the 'synanon girl'?

[Annasmom]

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

This was one question I was afraid of getting the answer to. Thank you Jesus, for answered prayers!

I got this report from Annasunc last night:

Just got off the phone with (the) California DoJ Missing Persons' DNA Supervisor. He said the Cal DoJ DNA report was done for SMCSO and so only SMCSO can decide whether or not to release the results. He said that since this is part of an "ongoing investigation," the Sheriff's Office might have a policy against it, but I would stress to them that you and C. are willing to submit a joint request in writing to obtain those results so that should negate any of their arguments about privacy matters. Things just get curiouser and curiouser ...

He confirmed that the tests were done in-house, that no samples of Anna's DNA were obtained, that the results of your (..and the boys') DNA tests were conducted using the 13 core loci for the FBI's National DNA Index System (sometimes mistakenly called CODIS) and are now in their National Missing Person Database (among the 2700+ relatives of missing persons), and that the information contained in your DNA is sufficient to declare that Anna was not one of the 1200+ unidentified persons included in that database. Your DNA will continue to be compared to new unidentifieds that are added every week.

[christine2448]

Anna was not one of the 1200+ unidentified persons included in that database. Your DNA will continue to be compared to new unidentifieds that are added every week.


I am not trying to dim hope, but reality is, there are SO many not reported, NOT on any database...that is the #1 goal of my new NPO, to get ALL missing and UID listed and maintain this in the state of GA, I am hoping I will get volunteers to do the same in each state....one step at a time.

I think it should be MANDATORY for LE to report. Researching that now...I hate to speak about things I'm not sure about, but I believe there are no laws concerning mandatory reporting.

[rideforfun]

If you are interested in the issues around UID I'd encourage you to work with Project Jason. Kelly Jalwoski (spelled wrong I'm sure) is very active on this issue and working with volunteers to bring legislation to each state. What you say is true -- very few names are entered into any sort of database and nothing exists nationally to bring them all together. It's a mess and many families are suffering horribly when in fact their loved one has been found -- just not identified. If you disappear in 1 county and are found in a different county or state the changes you will be matched up are slim. It's shameful.

[christine2448]

If you are interested in the issues around UID I'd encourage you to work with Project Jason. Kelly Jalwoski (spelled wrong I'm sure) is very active on this issue and working with volunteers to bring legislation to each state. What you say is true -- very few names are entered into any sort of database and nothing exists nationally to bring them all together. It's a mess and many families are suffering horribly when in fact their loved one has been found -- just not identified. If you disappear in 1 county and are found in a different county or state the changes you will be matched up are slim. It's shameful.

I am very interested in UID's and I do work with Kelly here and there. She is actually one of my 'heroes'. Thanks for the suggestion. Kelly Jolkowski is an incredible person who has turned a horrible tragedy, her son Jason going missing, into a blessing helping those who are going through the same.



I am in the process of opening an NPO in GA for Missing and UIDS, I will tackle GA first, then pray to move on and go so state by state. Email me at caseinvestigator@gmail.com if your interested in receiving news on the NPO once it 'opens'...Hopefully in the next 30-90 days I will have things ready to go!


I will be coming from a different angle, I will be advocating FOR the UID and Missing, Runaways, etc. My #1 project, already in motion is working on mandatory reporting laws and making it easy (me and volunteers doing all the work) to get the unlisted listed...etc. Again, email me if you intersted in volunteering or would just like to follow our project or be udated...there is so much to do...from emails to media contacts....stick a label on your bills for the missing...every little thing helps!

[JanetElaine]

Just got off the phone with (the) California DoJ Missing Persons' DNA Supervisor. He said the Cal DoJ DNA report was done for SMCSO and so only SMCSO can decide whether or not to release the results. He said that since this is part of an "ongoing investigation," the Sheriff's Office might have a policy against it, but I would stress to them that you and C. are willing to submit a joint request in writing to obtain those results so that should negate any of their arguments about privacy matters. Things just get curiouser and curiouser ...

What does this mean?

[Dr. Doogie]

What does this mean?

We are attempting to get a physical copy of the DNA report concerning C and Anna's family members. There is conflicting information as to who has authority over releasing the reports - the SMC Sheriffs say that only the DOJ can release the report, while the DOJ says that only the Sheriffs can. I believe it is just a matter of getting everybody on the same page and we can work this out.

[JanetElaine]

I figured that's what it was but wasn't sure. Thanks for the clarification, Dr. D! :)