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Jeana (DP)
05-14-2007, 01:00 PM
Please continue.

:D

Pocono Sleuther
05-14-2007, 01:30 PM
Thanks Jeana!

I've been reading daily, but somehow I missed this (it's so hard to keep up somedays):

"He was an angry, distant, surly spouse who felt trapped in his marriage. he married michelle because she was pregnant. he treated michelle disrespectfully from the beginning ("We're getting married! Michelle is pregnant!" and how he only came down for a few minutes in gym shorts to his own wedding shower). it is heartbreaking." --taken from thread 19

I can't believe I missed this! She was pregnant? He announced that as the reason for the marriage? What a friggin jerk!!! And the shower...he was so disrespectful to her. God, she didn't deserve it. I can't wait for an arrest in this case.

spring
05-14-2007, 01:37 PM
Thanks Jeana!

I've been reading daily, but somehow I missed this (it's so hard to keep up somedays):

"He was an angry, distant, surly spouse who felt trapped in his marriage. he married michelle because she was pregnant. he treated michelle disrespectfully from the beginning ("We're getting married! Michelle is pregnant!" and how he only came down for a few minutes in gym shorts to his own wedding shower). it is heartbreaking." --taken from thread 19

I can't believe I missed this! She was pregnant? He announced that as the reason for the marriage? What a friggin jerk!!! And the shower...he was so disrespectful to her. God, she didn't deserve it. I can't wait for an arrest in this case.

his mountain buddies who post on the boards are pretty disrespectful of her too. it doesn't sit well with me at all!

The Saint
05-14-2007, 02:03 PM
Thanks Jeana!

I've been reading daily, but somehow I missed this (it's so hard to keep up somedays):

"He was an angry, distant, surly spouse who felt trapped in his marriage. he married michelle because she was pregnant. he treated michelle disrespectfully from the beginning ("We're getting married! Michelle is pregnant!" and how he only came down for a few minutes in gym shorts to his own wedding shower). it is heartbreaking." --taken from thread 19

I can't believe I missed this! She was pregnant? He announced that as the reason for the marriage? What a friggin jerk!!! And the shower...he was so disrespectful to her. God, she didn't deserve it. I can't wait for an arrest in this case.

At a football game tail-gating party, jay said to everyone present, "Michelle and I are getting married. She's pregnant!"

and at their wedding shower that was attended by both male and female party guests, jay stayed upstairs on the computer. he came down for about 10 minutes and was wearing his gym shorts.

The Saint
05-14-2007, 02:05 PM
his mountain buddies who post on the boards are pretty disrespectful of her too. it doesn't sit well with me at all!

heaping abuse upon the victim's family; it's disgraceful.

Scout
05-14-2007, 04:30 PM
At a football game tail-gating party, jay said to everyone present, "Michelle and I are getting married. She's pregnant!"

and at their wedding shower that was attended by both male and female party guests, jay stayed upstairs on the computer. he came down for about 10 minutes and was wearing his gym shorts.

The way I recall the tail-gating party announcement is that it was the day after Jason and Michelle's wedding. Jason just blurted out something like, "Hey everyone, Michelle is pregnant!" Some honeymoon.

sweetmop
05-14-2007, 06:11 PM
Jason is most definately " a pig ", in more ways than one . He had no respect at all for sweet, dear Michelle. Oh, how I wish we could turn back time for that young woman, and she would realize she could have her baby without marrying the b*****d! As, I am sure she was the primary caregiver to little Cassidy anyway, because now it sounds as though Mama & Sis is doing everything for JY! Don't think he could find his way out of a paper bag! Yep, I do agree with all of you in believing JY is the murderer of Michelle!

sweetmop
05-14-2007, 06:15 PM
At a football game tail-gating party, jay said to everyone present, "Michelle and I are getting married. She's pregnant!"

and at their wedding shower that was attended by both male and female party guests, jay stayed upstairs on the computer. he came down for about 10 minutes and was wearing his gym shorts.


his mountain buddies who post on the boards are pretty disrespectful of her too. it doesn't sit well with me at all! Well, you know what they say... " Birds of a feather. " :twocents:

Schmerty_Jones
05-14-2007, 06:27 PM
Jason is most definately " a pig ", in more ways than one . He had no respect at all for sweet, dear Michelle. Oh, how I wish we could turn back time for that young woman, and she would realize she could have her baby without marrying the b*****d! As, I am sure she was the primary caregiver to little Cassidy anyway, because now it sounds as though Mama & Sis is doing everything for JY! Don't think he could find his way out of a paper bag! Yep, I do agree with all of you in believing JY is the murderer of Michelle!

That is exactly what I was about to post. Dear God I wish you could have saved this beautiful ,vibrant, loving human being from this horrible arrogant uncouth man! I know the pain her Mother & the Fisher family & friends are
feeling!I don't know wether I am more angry than sad:furious: :furious:

sweetmop
05-14-2007, 07:43 PM
I feel just as you do, Schmerty... very angry and very sad. Very sad that that b*****d killed that beautiful young woman and her unborn baby boy. Sad that she should never have married him in the first place! She could of had a beautiful life without JY, plus she would still be alive today. So senseless!

fran
05-15-2007, 01:24 AM
I'm really getting tired of this waiting! They need to arrest and try the SOB!
He knows he did it. WE know he did it. LE knows it too!:banghead:

Get his butt behind bars where he belongs!:behindbar

JMHO
fran

sweetmop
05-15-2007, 02:28 PM
I'm really getting tired of this waiting! They need to arrest and try the SOB!
He knows he did it. WE know he did it. LE knows it too!:banghead:

Get his butt behind bars where he belongs!:behindbar

JMHO
fran hey fran!
I have the very same sentiment! JY should be sitting in prison! I believe the Grand Jury meets yesterday & today! Wouldn't an indictment be wonderful? It's long past due! Can you even imagine how Linda & Meredith Fisher feel?

nanandjim
05-15-2007, 03:51 PM
hey fran!
I have the very same sentiment! JY should be sitting in prison! I believe the Grand Jury meets yesterday & today! Wouldn't an indictment be wonderful? It's long past due! Can you even imagine how Linda & Meredith Fisher feel?

How does the grand jury work? How would one ever know if this case was presented? Are the cases made public that go to the grand jury?

sweetmop
05-15-2007, 05:15 PM
How does the grand jury work? How would one ever know if this case was presented? Are the cases made public that go to the grand jury? NC has a calendar, you can obtain online. Jurors are selected from a jury pool, they have to serve about one year. unfortunately, their hearings are secretive, they are sworn to secrecy. Here is a good site to read up on it - http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061213/NEWS/612130446/-1/news30 {hope this works}

sweetmop
05-15-2007, 05:17 PM
To add to the discussion regarding the grand jury... I can't help but believe that if and when they do review this particular case, an indictment will be handed down. Do you suppose all of the labs are complete now and back in? It's been almost 7 months!

BirdHunter
05-15-2007, 09:12 PM
Anything that was sent is back by now. LE may send other things to be tested that they find or look down additional avenues. All original tests.

sweetmop
05-16-2007, 12:31 AM
Hey, thanks BirdHunter.

BirdHunter
05-16-2007, 06:33 AM
Since there has been no arrest in six months it seems that this is going to be a complicated "difficult" case to prove. That does not mean popular opinion that Jason killed Michelle is wrong. It just means that there wasn't one major piece of evidence that would have allowed LE to make a quick arrest. Without communication from Jason, the case will take longer than everyone desires. Jason could put so much to rest by taking a lie detector and allowing LE to interview him without his lawyer. Everyone who knows him should appeal to him for this. If he did not do it he has nothing to hide.

Pocono Sleuther
05-16-2007, 10:06 AM
I'm beginning to think the same thing Birdhunter. I will not give up hope that there will be justice soon though. It just seems like all too many times (as we've all seen in these cases) if there isn't any arrest by now...it's a long time coming. :(

raisincharlie
05-17-2007, 09:36 AM
Does anyone here have a really good link to the Jeffery McDonald case ? As I recall Wade Smith was the grand pooba for Mr. McDonald and occasionally still bemoans Mr. McDonald's innocence. I'm curious about any link that may summarize the defense tactics through that case. I suspect the Ms. Holt is reviewing the same - I'm curious about how the defense proceeded...it may tell us some things, it may not.

TIA

gorealtors
05-17-2007, 09:40 AM
Does anyone here have a really good link to the Jeffery McDonald case ? As I recall Wade Smith was the grand pooba for Mr. McDonald and occasionally still bemoans Mr. McDonald's innocence. I'm curious about any link that may summarize the defense tactics through that case. I suspect the Ms. Holt is reviewing the same - I'm curious about how the defense proceeded...it may tell us some things, it may not.

TIA


Debums is a great source for Jeffrey McDonald material.

raisincharlie
05-17-2007, 09:44 AM
Debums is a great source for Jeffrey McDonald material.

Thanks - is she still at CTV, if you know? Will try to send her a pm. I'm very curious about the defense points - we may see something similar in the future.

jilly
05-17-2007, 11:39 AM
Debums is a great source for Jeffrey McDonald material.

Somebody at CTV posted a site for everything you need to know on McDonald. Can't really remember who it was - might have been Scout or Hay Paula.

Bellgardin
05-17-2007, 12:37 PM
Does anyone here have a really good link to the Jeffery McDonald case ? As I recall Wade Smith was the grand pooba for Mr. McDonald and occasionally still bemoans Mr. McDonald's innocence. I'm curious about any link that may summarize the defense tactics through that case. I suspect the Ms. Holt is reviewing the same - I'm curious about how the defense proceeded...it may tell us some things, it may not.

TIA

:crazy: Hi RC!!! This is the best one I've ever seen! Happy reading!

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/

BG

raisincharlie
05-17-2007, 12:51 PM
:crazy: Hi RC!!! This is the best one I've ever seen! Happy reading!

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/

BG

Thank you Bellgardin - exactly what I wanted ! Appreciate it very much - now for some heavy reading...:D

Bellgardin
05-17-2007, 01:08 PM
Thank you Bellgardin - exactly what I wanted ! Appreciate it very much - now for some heavy reading...:D

You're welcome!! It's a really interesting website! Enjoy!

Lurker
05-17-2007, 03:51 PM
Hey everybody, I'm kind of new here but I've been reading this thread on and off for quite a bit. I have a question, I keep seeing where people are speculating that JY may have killed Michelle because of something she told the therapist she was seeing, that he was afraid it would get out. How could he be afraid of that? If Michelle told the therapist, the therapist can't repeat it and if she choose to see a therapist to talk about it, she wasn't going to go public. This may have been discussed but I was just wondering the angle on that thought.

TIA!

athy
05-17-2007, 04:00 PM
i don't believe they mean the therapist would have revealed something but that perhaps Michelle had threatened to or was afraid she might.

Lurker
05-17-2007, 04:22 PM
i don't believe they mean the therapist would have revealed something but that perhaps Michelle had threatened to or was afraid she might.


Or maybe the embarrassment was too much for him?

Someone also mentioned that maybe he suggested a threesome with her sister.

I was thinking if he had "feminine" tendancies, maybe he suggested one with her friend? (Can't remember his name now) and that's why she went to the therapist.

sweetmop
05-17-2007, 04:41 PM
I have given some thought to the therapist,to her specialty & also to the fact that Jason was running his mouth to coworkers about a sex act Michelle refused to go along with. What if JY was wanting a 3 way, with him ,Michelle and another man! This is to the extreme, I know. But I do have a feeling that we will be hearing alot of things that are hard to believe or hard to hear! Sorry for the graphics! I truely believe that much will be coming out that will prove that JY is not the sweet, loving, down home country boy that some want to portray him as... I think he may just be a super freak!

sweetmop
05-17-2007, 04:46 PM
Oooops, sorry Lurker, didn't see you had already posted the above thought! I have another thought( because I have a coworker whose ex requested this! ) Maybe JY wanted Michelle to have sex with some other guy, while he hid in the closet and watched! I know, I know, SICK... but I think we are going to find alot of SICK inside of Mr JY!!! JMHO, of course

strach304
05-17-2007, 05:51 PM
I don't think sexual perversion would be out of the norm for a case like this. I was actually watching to see if something of that nature was going to come out since the early days of this case. So many other parallels with other spousal murder cases. SP and Neil Entwistle come to mind. Age category is also very close for these three. I suppose some kind of chemical imbalance could exist that is imparing their brain for rational thought factored in with several months of stress and desperation leading up to the actual act. Their actions after the fact would also indicate a clear dysfunction in their logic as well that some want to excuse as shock or whatever when in fact screams they are crazy and or extremely stupid imo. Something's not firing right.

I know I've read many reports of studies over the years where violence and pornography have been connected as a contributing factor in violence against women. Certainly hard core like sadomasochism and rape porn spring to mind. It can advance from viewing to participating to a complete perverted state where they no longer get anything from a normal relationship. A look at the vast amount of serial killers over the years with sexual motivation and their progression should tell us something. I don't think these men killing their wives with this kind of background surfacing makes them normal in any sense of the word from the get go.

BirdHunter
05-17-2007, 07:28 PM
Ahhh...tmi

sweetmop
05-17-2007, 08:36 PM
I don't think sexual perversion would be out of the norm for a case like this. I was actually watching to see if something of that nature was going to come out since the early days of this case. So many other parallels with other spousal murder cases. SP and Neil Entwistle come to mind. Age category is also very close for these three. I suppose some kind of chemical imbalance could exist that is imparing their brain for rational thought factored in with several months of stress and desperation leading up to the actual act. Their actions after the fact would also indicate a clear dysfunction in their logic as well that some want to excuse as shock or whatever when in fact screams they are crazy and or extremely stupid imo. Something's not firing right.

I know I've read many reports of studies over the years where violence and pornography have been connected as a contributing factor in violence against women. Certainly hard core like sadomasochism and rape porn spring to mind. It can advance from viewing to participating to a complete perverted state where they no longer get anything from a normal relationship. A look at the vast amount of serial killers over the years with sexual motivation and their progression should tell us something. I don't think these men killing their wives with this kind of background surfacing makes them normal in any sense of the word from the get go. Great post! This all makes sense to me. I don't understand this , but I certainly do agree that this is most likely the case, in some form or fashion. And, you are absolutely correct in regards to the link between pornography and violence against women. Plus a self centered, selfish, all about me attitude goes hand in hand with these particular guys. I think alot of these type scenarios will play out in this case. No JY is not normal at all. JY has many deep dark secrets and many demons, I think we will learn. JMHO

raisincharlie
05-17-2007, 10:08 PM
You're welcome!! It's a really interesting website! Enjoy!

Bellgardin,

Sure is a lot of information there, I am no where near being close to the end but I have noted there was significant argument about hair and fibre evidence, even argued over a dog hair...shades of things to come perhaps. Thanks again, will continue reading...

spring
05-17-2007, 10:58 PM
charlie,
we can hope that they use some of the same defenses jmkg is spewing. every one has been transparent so far! transparent because they are trying to set a killer free!

panthera
05-17-2007, 11:02 PM
I'm really getting tired of this waiting! They need to arrest and try the SOB!
He knows he did it. WE know he did it. LE knows it too!:banghead:

Get his butt behind bars where he belongs!:behindbar

JMHO
fran
Hi fran and everyone else! I haven't given up on Michelle there just hasn't been much going on with her case lately. :( I do want to add something to your post fran. Since there is no statute of limitations on murder they don't have to be in a rush to arrest and bring him to trial. But once they do arrest & charge him, he has a right to a speedy trial and the DA has to have everything together then to be able to prove his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt ~ and as we all know, if he's acquitted he can't be retried. So I think they just don't have that one "smoking gun" piece of evidence that would ensure a conviction. We just have to keep thinking positively that someday soon they'll get what they need. ;)

raisincharlie
05-17-2007, 11:18 PM
charlie,
we can hope that they use some of the same defenses jmkg is spewing. every one has been transparent so far! transparent because they are trying to set a killer free!

Spring,

There are clearly some bizarre theories - killers with knives is rather crazy given that Michelle was bludgeoned to death. Not sure why two killers would do that with perfectly good weapons already in hand. Given the focused nature of the bludgeoning, it seems to also rule out two killers IMO. I think this is called grasping at straws...kind of like claiming a paper trail proves someone did not murder Michelle. I believe Sorsita made a very poignant point - the mountain folk don't know what JY was like when he lived in Raleigh - people who live in Raleigh and knew Jy when he lived in Raleigh do know.

jilly
05-17-2007, 11:36 PM
I think these mountain men are suffering the effects of oxygen deficiency. They're not making sense at all.

spring
05-17-2007, 11:42 PM
I think these mountain men are suffering the effects of oxygen deficiency. They're not making sense at all.
they might grow their own "tobacco" with all that manure! it sure is RICH!

Bellgardin
05-18-2007, 12:40 PM
Bellgardin,

Sure is a lot of information there, I am no where near being close to the end but I have noted there was significant argument about hair and fibre evidence, even argued over a dog hair...shades of things to come perhaps. Thanks again, will continue reading...

RC,

Yes, it is quite a bit of information! But, it is really interesting and I think when you read through it all it gives you quite a picture as to who Jeffrey MacDonald really is. He is really persistent, that's for sure. But, he still remains in prison, which is where I think he belongs.

There are new things uploaded on that website too, as Christina gets the items. It's a fascinating case read!

BG

nanandjim
05-18-2007, 02:28 PM
..., he still remains in prison, which is where I think he belongs...
I agree. MacDonald murdered his wife and two children. No one else did it. It was not the crazed hippies. If it were, they would have murdered him--the biggest and strongest threat--first. Instead, he wants us to believe that it was a fluke that he was left alive while his family was stabbed and bludgeoned to death.

Bellgardin
05-18-2007, 04:45 PM
I agree. MacDonald murdered his wife and two children. Noone else did it. It was not the crazed hippies. If it were, they would have murdered him--the biggest and strongest threat--first. Instead, he wants us to believe that it was a fluke that he was left alive while his family was stabbed and bludgeoned to death.

:waitasec: I agree! It amazes me that he still manages to fool some people into thinking he is innocent and that 4 drug-crazed hippies came into his apartment and brutally murdered his wife and children but left no dna evidence behind to show they had been there!

Anyway, sorry for the OT! I hope the outcome in MY's case is the same-that the perpetrator will be convicted and remain behind bars-no matter who it is!

BG

The Saint
05-18-2007, 08:01 PM
Is it possible that the long wait for lab results was not just the backlog of the labs and the amount of samples sent by LE, but that they were waiting for mitocondrial DNA results to come back in?

could this be what outsidethebox's source meant about seeing more clearly about what happened that night (paraphrasing CTV's OTB)?

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/july1999/dnalist.htm

Samiya
05-18-2007, 08:07 PM
Was reading in the "interesting things" on the Jeff McD site.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/interesting_things.html

Oh deary me....... the African American gazpacho shows up in that case!

Sami

The Saint
05-18-2007, 08:49 PM
Was reading in the "interesting things" on the Jeff McD site.

http://www.thejeffreymacdonaldcase.com/html/interesting_things.html

Oh deary me....... the African American gazpacho shows up in that case!

Sami

did MF and her boyfriend ever house sit at Birchleaf? sit on the bed?
i'm sure there are many ways for a hair to be transfered.

The Saint
05-18-2007, 08:55 PM
if jason were so intent on framing meredith, why not plant a hair from her boyfriend in the room?

why did jason gas up at Handee Hugo in the rough part of town? was he looking for a hair belonging to a different ethnic group to later plant at the scene ?

the ol' Susan Smith ploy - a black man committed the crime.

But i bet the hair belonged to the dog, Mr. Garrison.

raisincharlie
05-18-2007, 09:01 PM
Is it possible that the long wait for lab results was not just the backlog of the labs and the amount of samples sent by LE, but that they were waiting for mitocondrial DNA results to come back in?

could this be what outsidethebox's source meant about seeing more clearly about what happened that night (paraphrasing CTV's OTB)?

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/july1999/dnalist.htm

Why do you think Mito DNA would take this long ? I don't, there are many labs capable of performing this, I don't see why it would be assumed it would take longer.

Cryptic messages are often misleading and easily misunderstood - no clue what OTB meant but not sure it would necessarily be limited to mito dna. I think there is a better chance things may have been delayed by doing extra sampling and analysis of Michelle's clothes given recent reports...JMO.

philamena
05-18-2007, 11:36 PM
Thanks Jeana!

I've been reading daily, but somehow I missed this (it's so hard to keep up somedays):

"He was an angry, distant, surly spouse who felt trapped in his marriage. he married michelle because she was pregnant. he treated michelle disrespectfully from the beginning ("We're getting married! Michelle is pregnant!" and how he only came down for a few minutes in gym shorts to his own wedding shower). it is heartbreaking." --taken from thread 19

I can't believe I missed this! She was pregnant? He announced that as the reason for the marriage? What a friggin jerk!!! And the shower...he was so disrespectful to her. God, she didn't deserve it. I can't wait for an arrest in this case.


That's one more thing that adds up to --husband is prime suspect and needs to be arrested. I simply don't understand why the arrest is taking so long. Heck, persons of interest can be detained for many reasons, if only for a short amount of time.

The Saint
05-19-2007, 03:50 PM
I am so sorry to hear of Tybee's passing. I didn't know her but saw her name
as being online as the moderator at the same time as i was posting. i send her family and firends my condolences. May Tybee rest in peace and be with the angels. It was very generous of Tybee to serve as moderator on a board that is hoping to find justice for michelle young, her unborn sons, Cassidy, the fishers and michelle's friends.

Niner
05-19-2007, 08:08 PM
yes, Saint... sad day indeed... :( I sure am going to miss Tybee!

scandi - I believe you mentioned a RF back a few pages... and was curious to know WHO that might be Rhett... F... ?? :confused: Fisher?? Michelle's brother? the one with the Myspace page you all were talking about earlier?? Sorry, just getting caught up here!

And WHEN is this arrest coming.... geez.... :loser: :behindbar

Samiya
05-19-2007, 08:13 PM
yes, Saint... sad day indeed... :( I sure am going to miss Tybee!

scandi - I believe you mentioned a RF back a few pages... and was curious to know WHO that might be Rhett... F... ?? :confused: Fisher?? Michelle's brother? the one with the Myspace page you all were talking about earlier?? Sorry, just getting caught up here!

And WHEN is this arrest coming.... geez.... :loser: :behindbar

Rhett Fussell, a friend of Michelle & Jason.

Michelle hasn't got any brothers.

Sami

scandi
05-19-2007, 09:54 PM
Hi Niner, Thanks Sami.

I think the important thing about Rhett is first, he was primarily Michelle's friend as we learned from inside posters at CTV. So he knew JY thru her and did speak to JY at the funeral for which we have a printed link. I will bring that back here in a minute or two.

From what we know about him he was quite a vivacious guy and I can see why Michelle probably liked him very much. Probably full of spunk and snap, always offering to help, offering to create a new look for her or please let him create a special hairstyle for Cassidy. I have had friends like this, and one so special that when he moved to Cali., I gave him a little crystal bowl filled with perfectly round and oval agates I had found on the beach. He was that special of a friend. Scandi

Here ya go: http://www.newsobserver.com/141/story/511581.html

We really learned a lot from Rhett, including that JY was a late bloomer kind of a guy, that JY had taken off out of town the evening before she died to get an early start for an early morning meeting the next day, that Michelle had a friend over that evening, Cassidy fell asleep watching Cinderalla, a Halloween gift, etc etc etc. LOL He actually has contributed greatly to our knowledge of the case, and moved quite soon after her murder I believe to my hometown, Portland Or. xoxoxox I would love to call him but have used my better judgement. ;}

Taximom
05-20-2007, 07:22 PM
One of the early news articles mentioned Rhett having just met with Michelle for lunch prior to her horrible murder. That's when I figured RF was more her friend than his. Sounds like he was a good friend to her too.

scandi
05-20-2007, 07:58 PM
OMG, A POST!~ lololol


Hi Taximom ;) Not much a goin' on, is there?

The Saint
05-21-2007, 12:49 AM
OMG, A POST!~ lololol


Hi Taximom ;) Not much a goin' on, is there?

i check back every so often and there will be one new post that just says,
"Thank You." :rolleyes:

Taximom
05-21-2007, 05:33 PM
I've stopped holding my breath when I see a "WRAL NEWS UPDATE" in my email folder, but I always look forward to something interesting here!

Lately though....seems like it's just more new cases that take the spotlight. :rolleyes:

raisincharlie
05-21-2007, 10:32 PM
Scout brought up an interesting item to think about: how long after Michelle was found murdered did LE find out about the GA friend and who told LE about her. Very interesting question.

I'll go out on a limb and say her name was one of the few things Jy did say to LE. Like Rhett Fussell, she could help lay the foundation of his alibi...am I really that cynical - yep. I still think there is a strong possibility that she and possibly her husband have been taken before a grand jury to obtain statements...

j2mirish
05-21-2007, 10:38 PM
Scout brought up an interesting item to think about: how long after Michelle was found murdered did LE find out about the GA friend and who told LE about her. Very interesting question.

I'll go out on a limb and say her name was one of the few things Jy did say to LE. Like Rhett Fussell, she could help lay the foundation of his alibi...am I really that cynical - yep. I still think there is a strong possibility that she and possibly her husband have been taken before a grand jury to obtain statements...
good question/point-- are you suggesting she was with jy and is his alibi? I dont think you are, thinking outloud- because if that was the case he would have sung like a bird, even as bad as it would have made him look- where are you going with foundation?

raisincharlie
05-21-2007, 10:43 PM
good question/point-- are you suggesting she was with jy and is his alibi? I dont think you are, thinking outloud- because if that was the case he would have sung like a bird, even as bad as it would have made him look- where are you going with foundation?

If Jy left the home when the GA friend was there - she could confirm he actually left and at what time. Jy doesn't have to say anything else about when he left, she probably also knew he was going to "Virginia", if there was an argument or tension when he left. Surely Jy would want LE to know that pretty quickly...:)

j2mirish
05-21-2007, 10:47 PM
If Jy left the home when the GA friend was there - she could confirm he actually left and at what time. Jy doesn't have to say anything else about when he left, she probably also knew he was going to "Virginia", if there was an argument or tension when he left. Surely Jy would want LE to know that pretty quickly...:)

:doh::doh: i misunderstood- I thought you were referring to the fl gf/affair gal--- nevermind..........I get it now !

raisincharlie
05-21-2007, 11:01 PM
:doh::doh: i misunderstood- I thought you were referring to the fl gf/affair gal--- nevermind..........I get it now !

My fault j2mirish - I should have been more clear. :crazy:

j2mirish
05-21-2007, 11:16 PM
My fault j2mirish - I should have been more clear. :crazy: nah....

damn- somethings gotta break soon doesnt it rc? starting to wonder


:slap:----------------> j2m

scandi
05-21-2007, 11:47 PM
Funny, many times I have thought about Michelle and GA sitting in easy chairs, Cassidy sound asleep on the couch in that room that I can just see from the photos we have had of that room in very similar houses, and their show was playing but they weren't watching it at all.

It has been said JY ate dinner with them -don't know if I believe that, as RR who I really liked said he left between 4 and 6pm, but the minute he was out the door I think Michelle and GA were non stop talking about just what was up, telling her everything that was wrong and why she felt she just had to talk to a counselor and what she had said. I think GA came away from that evening with an ear full.

Cassidy fell asleep early, and think they talked right thru the show, looked at their watches in disbelief and decided they better leave Cassidy there for the night, and GA could have even have helped by carrying her upstairs for Michelle so they could tuck her in.

And that is what I think is going to tell the final tale on this husband. The unexpected change in his plans, why he had to take more time at the house because out of the blue, he turned around and there she was, with her dying mother at his feet!~ Get her settled, munchies, a cozy blankie and a movie, and a talk about how she would have to take care of mommy now till he could get back with a doctor, because she was sick.

Ever since I read what JY's sister wrote about the Jellybeans and setting her up with a movie to watch, I knew instantly that was the truth in a round about way. Jy got her ready to leave her there, and with the extra half hour that took, he was a half hour late for the meeting.

Add that to the 911 call, or in lieu of it an officers written notes from the crime scene about what she said to him, and it is what will make the jury sit up straight in their chairs to listen. Bet'cha my bottom dollar on that one!

I do think that is a good take Charlie, that is leaving when she was there so as to set up his alibi in a pre-planned way. And then he further cemented this by telling Rhett at the funeral that he wanted to get an early start because he had an early morning meeting out of town. He knew the press would nab Rhett as he was a talkitive kind of guy.

I know that was a set up, using the word early start with early morning so Rhett wouldn't forget that. Also, if the meeting was at 10 as we have heard, that is not early meeting. Try 7:30 or 8 like my boss does. Now that is early. I would call a 10am a mid-morning appt. He was setting the stage!

OMG, do I ever get carried away!~ It is just that I so miss discussing the case here even when there isn't anything really new to talk about! lol

j2mirish
05-22-2007, 09:29 AM
Funny, many times I have thought about Michelle and GA sitting in easy chairs, Cassidy sound asleep on the couch in that room that I can just see from the photos we have had of that room in very similar houses, and their show was playing but they weren't watching it at all.

It has been said JY ate dinner with them -don't know if I believe that, as RR who I really liked said he left between 4 and 6pm, but the minute he was out the door I think Michelle and GA were non stop talking about just what was up, telling her everything that was wrong and why she felt she just had to talk to a counselor and what she had said. I think GA came away from that evening with an ear full.

Cassidy fell asleep early, and think they talked right thru the show, looked at their watches in disbelief and decided they better leave Cassidy there for the night, and GA could have even have helped by carrying her upstairs for Michelle so they could tuck her in.

And that is what I think is going to tell the final tale on this husband. The unexpected change in his plans, why he had to take more time at the house because out of the blue, he turned around and there she was, with her dying mother at his feet!~ Get her settled, munchies, a cozy blankie and a movie, and a talk about how she would have to take care of mommy now till he could get back with a doctor, because she was sick.

Ever since I read what JY's sister wrote about the Jellybeans and setting her up with a movie to watch, I knew instantly that was the truth in a round about way. Jy got her ready to leave her there, and with the extra half hour that took, he was a half hour late for the meeting.

Add that to the 911 call, or in lieu of it an officers written notes from the crime scene about what she said to him, and it is what will make the jury sit up straight in their chairs to listen. Bet'cha my bottom dollar on that one!

I do think that is a good take Charlie, that is leaving when she was there so as to set up his alibi in a pre-planned way. And then he further cemented this by telling Rhett at the funeral that he wanted to get an early start because he had an early morning meeting out of town. He knew the press would nab Rhett as he was a talkitive kind of guy.

I know that was a set up, using the word early start with early morning so Rhett wouldn't forget that. Also, if the meeting was at 10 as we have heard, that is not early meeting. Try 7:30 or 8 like my boss does. Now that is early. I would call a 10am a mid-morning appt. He was setting the stage!

OMG, do I ever get carried away!~ It is just that I so miss discussing the case here even when there isn't anything really new to talk about! lol

this sounds like it could be right on the mark- the things that still bothers me about GA, is it would seem if she had that much information, that much knowledge of the trials and tribulations Michelle was going thur, wouldnt this be moving along a bit faster? I suppose it could be considered "hearsay", I dont know, but there is something LARGE missing in this puzzle, or there would have been an arrest by now

raisincharlie
05-22-2007, 09:30 AM
Scandi,

I agree, 10 am isn't an "early" morning meeting - that has banker's hours beat ! Then to supposedly be late, in this day with Map Quest, someone should have done their homework instead of getting "lost". He sure wasn't lost making a bee line from western VA to Brevard - can you tell I don't buy that excuse ? I really do not buy the "lost" excuse - less than 3 months employment with ChartOne and he can't insure that he does not get lost and is not late - something wrong with that picture IMO.

As to GA friend, I'm thinking for some reason, Michelle did not share much about marrige difficulties with her - she was a newly wed herself - I doubt Michelle would rain on her parade. Do you think really ?

raisincharlie
05-22-2007, 11:19 AM
This article is not directly related to Michelle but is in a way connective and sadly to say - disturbing:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/576642.html

"Dr. John Butts, the chief medical examiner, said this morning that a vial containing a sample that belonged to someone else was mistakenly labeled with Dayna's name.

"It was an unusual result when we saw it," Butts said about the high levels of alcohol in the vial. "But it was such an unusual case to begin with."


I think Dr. Butts needs to figure out where his head and office is. There is something very wrong at Chapel Hill IMO.

Niner
05-22-2007, 12:28 PM
We really learned a lot from Rhett, including that JY was a late bloomer kind of a guy, that JY had taken off out of town the evening before she died to get an early start for an early morning meeting the next day, that Michelle had a friend over that evening, Cassidy fell asleep watching Cinderalla, a Halloween gift, etc etc etc. LOL He actually has contributed greatly to our knowledge of the case, and moved quite soon after her murder I believe to my hometown, Portland Or. xoxoxox I would love to call him but have used my better judgement. ;}

Thanks Scandi for the link and Sami for his name!

Scandi - you "might" want to invite him here, no??!!

jilly
05-22-2007, 09:45 PM
This article is not directly related to Michelle but is in a way connective and sadly to say - disturbing:

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/crime_safety/story/576642.html

"Dr. John Butts, the chief medical examiner, said this morning that a vial containing a sample that belonged to someone else was mistakenly labeled with Dayna's name.

"It was an unusual result when we saw it," Butts said about the high levels of alcohol in the vial. "But it was such an unusual case to begin with."


I think Dr. Butts needs to figure out where his head and office is. There is something very wrong at Chapel Hill IMO.

I've had that nagging feeling for awhile now RC and this info doesn't help at all.:( Thanks (I guess:D ) for posting this link.

strach304
05-22-2007, 10:34 PM
Still hanging around patiently waiting too. :angel:

DEPUTYDAWG
05-23-2007, 08:16 AM
Still hanging around patiently waiting too. :angel:


Me too. At least it's nice to know there are strangers that really care.
(IMO, some strangers may care more for Michelle than certain acquaintances that don't seem to care one iota for the vicious murder. IMO, again ;) ) I bet Michelle is looking down and is at least pleased that strangers have taken up her cause with sincere concern and care.

spring
05-23-2007, 11:27 AM
Me too. At least it's nice to know there are strangers that really care.
(IMO, some strangers may care more for Michelle than certain acquaintances that don't seem to care one iota for the vicious murder. IMO, again ;) ) I bet Michelle is looking down and is at least pleased that strangers have taken up her cause with sincere concern and care.
i agree! and what a horrible tragedy to bring so many great people together! i have met some of the greatest people because of these boards. i must admit i have seen some of the ugliest, too. it truly amazes me that some people so close to the situation could be that way. i think Michelle is in a much better place than to have to deal with people like that in her life!

DEPUTYDAWG
05-23-2007, 12:32 PM
i agree! and what a horrible tragedy to bring so many great people together! i have met some of the greatest people because of these boards. i must admit i have seen some of the ugliest, too. it truly amazes me that some people so close to the situation could be that way. i think Michelle is in a much better place than to have to deal with people like that in her life!

Back attcha! Agree 100%

strach304
05-23-2007, 01:20 PM
I was reading the ctv thread today since I usually just check for updates and see the usual banter over there I've just been skimming lately. I see I missed the discussion about no one sending flowers to Michelle's grave on Mother's Day and still no marker. That really made me sad. I know some posters and RPD had sent flowers for her birthday. :(

nanandjim
05-23-2007, 01:48 PM
I was reading the ctv thread today since I usually just check for updates and see the usual banter over there I've just been skimming lately. I see I missed the discussion about no one sending flowers to Michelle's grave on Mother's Day and still no marker. That really made me sad. I know some posters and RPD had sent flowers for her birthday. :(
Let's see now...Loving husband doesn't cooperate with police...Loving husband doesn't allow Michelle's family to see baby...Loving husband doesn't put a marker on his dear wife's grave...I need to rethink my definition of loving... :rolleyes:

strach304
05-23-2007, 02:50 PM
My main gripe is that Jason and his family have Cassidy and how hard or expensive could it be to make a phone call and order flowers at least on behalf of Cassidy on Mothers Day. Since the tree planting ceremony in NY I don't doubt LF and MF may honor Michelle in that way but I don't know. In all the pics I saw of that there were flowers as well as the ornaments that were on the tree.

jilly
05-24-2007, 06:44 PM
My main gripe is that Jason and his family have Cassidy and how hard or expensive could it be to make a phone call and order flowers at least on behalf of Cassidy on Mothers Day.

I just don't get it either Strach! I guess I can see with a 3 yr old, that you would want to move her away and let her readjust but I just don't see how a supposed loving husband could not send flowers to the gravesite on Mother's Day on behalf of Cassidy. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.:mad: This guy did not love her at all imo.

I sure hope they're going to be able to charge him but I worry that if they don't have enough now, what could possibly make that possible in the future? If he did this on his own and he keeps his mouth shut forever, I don't hold out much hope.

raisincharlie
05-24-2007, 06:57 PM
I just don't get it either Strach! I guess I can see with a 3 yr old, that you would want to move her away and let her readjust but I just don't see how a supposed loving husband could not send flowers to the gravesite on Mother's Day on behalf of Cassidy. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.:mad: This guy did not love her at all imo.

I sure hope they're going to be able to charge him but I worry that if they don't have enough now, what could possibly make that possible in the future? If he did this on his own and he keeps his mouth shut forever, I don't hold out much hope.

I suspect we will hear that Jy was taking his lawyer's advice and preserving his constitutional rights...:sick:

There is absolutely no excuse under the sun for this failure to honor or even acknowledge the Mother of his child (children). I don't care how mountain folk do things. JMO

Schmerty_Jones
05-24-2007, 07:08 PM
I suspect we will hear that Jy was taking his lawyer's advice and preserving his constitutional rights...:sick:

There is absolutely no excuse under the sun for this failure to honor or even acknowledge the Mother of his child (children). I don't care how mountain folk do things. JMO

I agree ,this is a travesty.How is anyone to believe that this man loved & would not harm his wife? How are we to believe that Cassidy does not need to be nurtured with good memories & love for her mother Michelle?:( :(

raisincharlie
05-24-2007, 08:03 PM
I agree ,this is a travesty.How is anyone to believe that this man loved & would not harm his wife? How are we to believe that Cassidy does not need to be nurtured with good memories & love for her mother Michelle?:( :(

I don't believe it. :snooty:

sweetmop
05-24-2007, 09:36 PM
I suspect we will hear that Jy was taking his lawyer's advice and preserving his constitutional rights...:sick:

There is absolutely no excuse under the sun for this failure to honor or even acknowledge the Mother of his child (children). I don't care how mountain folk do things. JMO:innocent: I guess I am considered " mountain folk ", though I am a Western transplant to this area, living approximately 30 minutes from Brevard, NC. and I honered my mom on Mother's Day. She was the best mother. A beautiful person, who taught me what is good and fair and right.
I agree that there is no excuse for JY to totally ignore his dead wife on Mother's Day, she was the sweet mother of the child he supposedly loves and adores, and I would lean toward Michelle being the primary caregiver of Cassidy since her birth. JY, we all know was tied up with so many extra curricular activities, that he didn't have as much time to spend with the child, most likely.Michelle, I believe did it all.

It has nothing to do with the vicinity from which you come from or were raised as to how you deal with some common courtesies of life... JY is an a**, and I think he never really loved or respected Michelle. He felt pushed into that marriage, and he felt an anger towards Michelle for taking his " freedom " away from him. He disrespected Michelle in life, why should things change after her horrendous death? Honoring the dead is really for the living, as the dead ones have gone on to a Better Place. Honoring her mother should have been a given for little Casssidy. If Daddy was too big of a b*****d to go and take her to do that, someone in the Young family should have seen to it that Cassidy could go and put flowers on her mommy's grave!
One more thing, you would think that JY's ' super legal eagle ' would have suggested he make a Mother's Day appearence at the cemetary for good PR at least. To look like the grieving and caring spouse, at least. I suppose JY is still just too grief stricken and not able to contain his grief in public. :furious:
I am a mom and a pediatric nurse. I know a little bit about children and the psyche of a child. Dear sweet Cassidy will suffer for many years of her life, as she will have alot of questions and she will want the answers and the truth. I am one of those horrible people who does believe JY is the murderer and he has forever changed who his little girl will be, it is already set into motion.
I don't know what goes on within the home where Cassidy lives, but God love her and bless her, she needs all of our prayers. :blowkiss:

raisincharlie
05-24-2007, 09:58 PM
Sweetmop,

No disrespect meant by my comment - hope I did not offend you, it was not my intent. I was recalling a Brevardier who claimed things such as grief etc. are never shown in public. I just find it a shame that honoring a lost loved one is apparently not worth showing either. One does not need to make a 5 hour trip to have flowers placed on Mother's Day, or any day for that matter, a simple phone call works wonders. There simply is no excuse - even grief, which honestly I doubt is or ever was involved in this case, ever. JMO. And I agree with your other comments as well.

sweetmop
05-24-2007, 11:21 PM
Sweetmop,

No disrespect meant by my comment - hope I did not offend you, it was not my intent. I was recalling a Brevardier who claimed things such as grief etc. are never shown in public. I just find it a shame that honoring a lost loved one is apparently not worth showing either. One does not need to make a 5 hour trip to have flowers placed on Mother's Day, or any day for that matter, a simple phone call works wonders. There simply is no excuse - even grief, which honestly I doubt is or ever was involved in this case, ever. JMO. And I agree with your other comments as well. Oh no RC, I wasn't offended by your words. I know exactly what you're saying and WHO the " Brevardier " is that you're speaking of! :eek:
God bless the guy, he so wants to be a friend to JY and believe he's innocent, doesn't he? Where he got his ideas on public displayel of grief, etc., I don't know... let's just say he is soooo confused in so many areas. No RC, you could never offend. I am so sick of all the shenaniganns out of Brevard, their ideas, beliefs and actions offend me! I've got the utmost respect for you and I ageree with most everything you post here.
Just waiting, patiently for the arrest!:banghead:

jilly
05-25-2007, 12:32 AM
It has nothing to do with the vicinity from which you come from or were raised as to how you deal with some common courtesies of life... JY is an a**, and I think he never really loved or respected Michelle. He felt pushed into that marriage, and he felt an anger towards Michelle for taking his " freedom " away from him. He disrespected Michelle in life, why should things change after her horrendous death? This says it in a nutshell Sweetmop. Honoring the dead is really for the living, as the dead ones have gone on to a Better Place. Honoring her mother should have been a given for little Casssidy. If Daddy was too big of a b*****d to go and take her to do that, someone in the Young family should have seen to it that Cassidy could go and put flowers on her mommy's grave!At the very least, you'd think that if this family had any love for Michelle that they would pick up the phone and send flowers on Cassidy's behalf!!



This family must have really been upset that they even had to attend the funeral. That was obvious the way they stormed into the place like they owned the place glaring at the media. My God - it's unbelievable. Nothing but anger on their faces rather than grief stricken. They didn't mind showing that emotion to the whole world.

The gravesite, as I've read, does not even had a headstone yet. I can imagine LF must be beside herself about this. I know if it was my daughter, I sure would. We have been told that in some places it's the practice to not put down a headstone until the ground settles....well - it's been over 6 months!! I think if I was LF, I'd go to the press about this - keep this in the news so tht jy doesn't get a minute's peace.

Hopefully, there will eventually be a headstone so that Cassidy can at least find her mother when she wants to visit her in a few years....and she will!

This whole thing makes me so :furious: but at the same time, I believe in Karma. I have personally witnessed the lives of a couple of people who have done harm to others go down the drain - losing their jobs, their families and one person even ended up being murdered himself. jy is not going to have an easy life from this point on even though he may think so right now.

scandi
05-25-2007, 12:41 AM
Hi Sweetmop,

I had no idea you lived that close to Brevard. A nagging thought in some of our minds is that the accoutrements to the crime were hidden or dumped off those trails north of Brevard in the lowlands of the Appalacian Mtns.

If we are thinking of JY for this, he was in Boy Scouts and they would most likelyh have outings and camp there, and also someone in the family has a guide service in that neck of the woods. Do they do white water rafting there? Just curious.

Anyhoo, could you tell us what the terrain is like from Duffield on down to Brevard. For instance, maybe there are more trails that would be easy to access by Brevard, or maybe up by Duffield there are some areas where the road winding down SWesterly towards NC might have areas of drop off at the edge of the road.

I am just trying to get a picture in my mind of what it would be like to drive around those two cities or inbetween, and where you might go to really stash something that you never would ever want to see the light of day again without being seen. For me city dumpsters just don't do that!

Thanks. Ewwww, that was kind of a tall order! Just give basics if you want, OK ;}
Scandi

philamena
05-25-2007, 01:07 AM
I just don't get it either Strach! I guess I can see with a 3 yr old, that you would want to move her away and let her readjust but I just don't see how a supposed loving husband could not send flowers to the gravesite on Mother's Day on behalf of Cassidy. Out of sight, out of mind, I guess.:mad: This guy did not love her at all imo.

I sure hope they're going to be able to charge him but I worry that if they don't have enough now, what could possibly make that possible in the future? If he did this on his own and he keeps his mouth shut forever, I don't hold out much hope.
I'd like to know why there isn't there enough to charge him, you know? He's the husband. The husband who was communicating with another women via the net and the husband was having an affair. Did his alibi check out? I bet it didn't. Something about the time line has to be off.
I'd also like to know what Cassidy said immediately after her mommy was found? What did she say when she saw her dad?

nanandjim
05-25-2007, 10:59 AM
This family must have really been upset that they even had to attend the funeral...
Didn't they all wear sunglasses to support their son? Why didn't they just tell their son that he needed to show respect and not wear sunglasses to Michelle's burial? That act alone shows me that they didn't care about Michelle. They were all too willing to show total disrespect to Michelle and all too willing to stand behind their relative, even though he was in the wrong in this situation. That speaks volumes to me. :cool:

jilly
05-25-2007, 07:36 PM
I'd like to know why there isn't there enough to charge him, you know? He's the husband. The husband who was communicating with another women via the net and the husband was having an affair. Did his alibi check out? I bet it didn't. Something about the time line has to be off.
I'd also like to know what Cassidy said immediately after her mommy was found? What did she say when she saw her dad?

I'd like to know why there isn't enough too. It can't be this easy to murder your wife - can it???:banghead:

jilly
05-25-2007, 07:47 PM
Didn't they all wear sunglasses to support their son? Why didn't they just tell their son that he needed to show respect and not wear sunglasses to Michelle's burial? That act alone shows me that they didn't care about Michelle. They were all too willing to show total disrespect to Michelle and all too willing to stand behind their relative, even though he was in the wrong in this situation. That speaks volumes to me. :cool:

As far as I remember, all the 'supporting' men wore sunglasses - certainly not his mother. Strange. They're like some aliens from a horror movie. I'd still like to know if jy had a scratch around his eye or something. What a defiant bunch!

strach304
05-25-2007, 09:02 PM
I was reading some of the defenses given for Jason not honoring Michelle on mothers day and the same ones were given at her b-day and other memorial. But picking up the phone and ordering flowers isn't a 5 hour trip each way was my main point, there is no excuse. I have a brother who grew up basically with two sisters and a mother and that would not fly. This is the first Mothers Day since Michelle has passed, she was also an expectant mother therefore this M-Day is very significant. Cassidy should have been told by Jason that "we sent mommy flowers" or something like that.

This just figures in right along with his real reason for not talking to LE. He's a selfish sub-human narcissist (sp) that cares about no one but himself. I also find it rather ridiculous to see Meredith put down constantly about her weight when Jason's side of the family look like Amazons themselves. No offense meant about overweight people, my own sister is a very big girl. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy.

nanandjim
05-25-2007, 11:18 PM
...I'd still like to know if jy had a scratch around his eye or something...

Did the police ever get a warrant to photograph Jason's body? I also think that he was hiding something by wearing the glasses. Of course, the members of his family thought that they were being clever to make it a "family" affair. However, it just made me suspicious.

raisincharlie
05-25-2007, 11:22 PM
Did the police ever get a warrant to photograph Jason's body? I also think that he was hiding something by wearing the glasses. Of course, the members of his family thought that they were being clever to make it a "family" affair. However, it just made me suspicious.

The Non Testimonial Order issued by the court allowed for photographs, voice samples, and numerous forensic type samples to include DNA. Jason had to show up at CCBI before the funeral if I recall correctly, with his lawyer of course.

j2mirish
05-25-2007, 11:34 PM
bold & underline by j2m

The Non Testimonial Order issued by the court allowed for photographs, voice samples, and numerous forensic type samples to include DNA. Jason had to show up at CCBI before the funeral if I recall correctly, with his lawyer of course.


:sick: :sick: :sick:

sweetmop
05-25-2007, 11:40 PM
This family must have really been upset that they even had to attend the funeral. That was obvious the way they stormed into the place like they owned the place glaring at the media. My God - it's unbelievable. Nothing but anger on their faces rather than grief stricken. They didn't mind showing that emotion to the whole world.

The gravesite, as I've read, does not even had a headstone yet. I can imagine LF must be beside herself about this. I know if it was my daughter, I sure would. We have been told that in some places it's the practice to not put down a headstone until the ground settles....well - it's been over 6 months!! I think if I was LF, I'd go to the press about this - keep this in the news so tht jy doesn't get a minute's peace.

Hopefully, there will eventually be a headstone so that Cassidy can at least find her mother when she wants to visit her in a few years....and she will!

This whole thing makes me so :furious: but at the same time, I believe in Karma. I have personally witnessed the lives of a couple of people who have done harm to others go down the drain - losing their jobs, their families and one person even ended up being murdered himself. jy is not going to have an easy life from this point on even though he may think so right now.
Hi jilly, great post! You brought out some really good observations also. The family did hit michelle's funeral like gangbusters, didn't they? The strangest behaviors I've ever seen and you're right ... they appeared quite inconveinienced with the whole service. I think they were very crude and very disrespectful.
I am also a big believer in Karma. And I too have seen {bad} Karma played out in lives. It is not a pretty sight either. JY should be a complete physical, psychological and emotional wreck! Wonder if he is?

sweetmop
05-26-2007, 12:24 AM
Scandi, Wow! Yep, tall order you asked for!:) I'm just joking with you! I live approximately halfway between Asheville NC and Brevard NC, it takes around 30 minutes to get to either place. In fact I work in Asheville.
Well, I must tell you that I don't know a thing at all about Duffield, just not familiar with it, in fact I'd never even heard of Duffield until this case. I do have a few friends that live in Brevard, it's a very pretty little town.
Brevard does have many state parks, hiking trails... from beginner to intermediate, lots of beautiful waterfalls too. There are several rivers too and yes there are probably 3 or 4 white water rafting sites. It is a popular area for anything outdoors. If JY chose to dump weapon or anything else, well, the odds are 0 % of ever finding it again. The terrain is very dense, mountainous and aggressive. There's simply no flat ground, just thick and gnarly forest. Did you see the movie, " The Last of the Mohicans "?. Great movie by the way. Well, much of that movie was filmed in the Brevard, Transylvania county area. You can see just how treacherous some of that area is. You can hike into the forest( many trails ), and then come upon a huge granite mountain and a beautiful waterfalls. In fact Brevard is touted as the ' land of Waterfalls '.
I am afraid that if JY dropped the sack of bloodied clothes, tools, weapons that they are all long gone to the human beings of this day and age.
I hope that I somehow helped out with answering a little bit of your questions. You know I just may have to pack up the hubby and kids and go over that way tomorrow.:dance: " Talk " to you later, Scandi.

jilly
05-26-2007, 02:09 AM
Hi jilly, great post! You brought out some really good observations also. The family did hit michelle's funeral like gangbusters, didn't they? The strangest behaviors I've ever seen and you're right ... they appeared quite inconveinienced with the whole service. I think they were very crude and very disrespectful.
I am also a big believer in Karma. And I too have seen {bad} Karma played out in lives. It is not a pretty sight either. JY should be a complete physical, psychological and emotional wreck! Wonder if he is?

Thanks sweetmop! I enjoy ALL your posts!

Maybe I'm a sucker but it's always been my opinion that he was guilt ridden the first couple of weeks. I agree with RC that when he fell "plumb to his knees" it exhibited blind acceptance and then, I think, for a short time, when reality set in, he may have experienced some remorse with the "crying towel". That coupled with the report we got stating he was walking around Brevard in the early days looking like a "zombie". BUT that's all history now. He's moved on.:furious:

jilly
05-26-2007, 02:18 AM
Scandi, You know I just may have to pack up the hubby and kids and go over that way tomorrow.:dance: " Talk " to you later, Scandi.

While you're at it, maybe you could treat the kids to Pizza Hut:D - cause we understand it's a hangout for the Youngs'. :crazy:

By the way, I'd sure like to know how you chose your nic? :)

Indigator
05-26-2007, 10:16 AM
I am not surprised by the behavior of Young. He was raised by these disrespectful people and his circle of friends are just as pathetic. The fruit does not fall far from the tree and eventually all of them will reap what they sow. I hope we are all here to see it.

jilly
05-26-2007, 11:31 AM
I am not surprised by the behavior of Young. He was raised by these disrespectful people and his circle of friends are just as pathetic. The fruit does not fall far from the tree and eventually all of them will reap what they show. I hope we are all here to see it.

Well said Indigator & welcome! And although I haven't really read anything about his immediate friends, I kind of had that feeling.

snowshuze
05-29-2007, 10:17 AM
Another day, another week....still praying for justice for Michelle Young and baby boy.

Taximom
05-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Another day, another week....still praying for justice for Michelle Young and baby boy. Me too, snowshuze. Seems like anymore "another week, another missing or killed mom" should be the new phrase.

The Saint
05-29-2007, 08:03 PM
I'd like to hear what Scandi and Sami think about this, but people who were friends with Jason in college said that he was really mean and insulting to women he considered to be "fat chicks."

Pro Jason supporters (including his older sister and gojo) have carried the banner in that they hurl insults at MF based on her weight. It is strange that jay's older sister made such derisive comments about MF's weight when she and her husband are heavier than MF.

It seems to me that there could psychological factors at work. Jason married MichelleY who was thin like Mrs. Young. MF is of a similar weight and build of jason's older sister. Could jason have been trying to resolve certain family issues that he has had since childhood through his contentious relationships w/ the Fisher sisters? Did he replay a familiar pattern?

Could he have resented Michelle because she reminded him of his mother
on whom he was dependent? Did he think his mother was controlling when he was growing up?

Why would jay pick on "fat chicks" in college when his own sister is overweight? Was his older sister bossy and he is now retaliating against MF because she reminds him of being the little brother to a domineering
older sister?

Scout
05-29-2007, 10:22 PM
I'd like to hear what Scandi and Sami think about this, but people who were friends with Jason in college said that he was really mean and insulting to women he considered to be "fat chicks."

Pro Jason supporters (including his older sister and gojo) have carried the banner in that they hurl insults at MF based on her weight. It is strange that jay's older sister made such derisive comments about MF's weight when she and her husband are heavier than MF.

It seems to me that there could psychological factors at work. Jason married MichelleY who was thin like Mrs. Young. MF is of a similar weight and build of jason's older sister. Could jason have been trying to resolve certain family issues that he has had since childhood through his contentious relationships w/ the Fisher sisters? Did he replay a familiar pattern?

Could he have resented Michelle because she reminded him of his mother
on whom he was dependent? Did he think his mother was controlling when he was growing up?

Why would jay pick on "fat chicks" in college when his own sister is overweight? Was his older sister bossy and he is now retaliating against MF because she reminds him of being the little brother to a domineering
older sister?


I wouldn't call Jason's mother thin. You can see her holding onto Jason's arm at the funeral in the video at this site:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

You can also catch a glimpse of Jason's sisters -- the two blondes walking in front, if I'm not mistaken. One is wearing a hat.

The Saint
05-29-2007, 10:48 PM
I wouldn't call Jason's mother thin. You can see her holding onto Jason's arm at the funeral in the video at this site:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/11/13/earlyshow/main2175238.shtml

You can also catch a glimpse of Jason's sisters -- the two blondes walking in front, if I'm not mistaken. One is wearing a hat.

after viewing that CBS link, yes, scout you are right; mrs. young wouldn't be considered thin.

i was thinking that Mrs. Young was the woman seated on the butterfly bench w/ Cassidy in the stroller pictured in the funeral home memorial video. That woman looked a lot like jason and was thin with red hair. Do you know who that woman is?

Scout
05-30-2007, 09:45 AM
after viewing that CBS link, yes, scout you are right; mrs. young wouldn't be considered thin.

i was thinking that Mrs. Young was the woman seated on the butterfly bench w/ Cassidy in the stroller pictured in the funeral home memorial video. That woman looked a lot like jason and was thin with red hair. Do you know who that woman is?


No, I don't. Sorry.

The Saint
05-30-2007, 10:26 PM
No, I don't. Sorry.

i've been told it could be michelle's maternal or paternal grandmother.
the woman looks like jason, was that why michelle was drawn to him?

Samiya
06-02-2007, 07:42 PM
Just a quick pop in....

Crime Scene House to go on Sale

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5362661

I don't even have time to read my PM's so will have to catch up later :(

Hugs to all

Sami

raisincharlie
06-02-2007, 07:57 PM
Just a quick pop in....

Crime Scene House to go on Sale

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5362661

I don't even have time to read my PM's so will have to catch up later :(

Hugs to all

Sami

Thanks Sami.

I have much to tell you - more defined than my last pm to you so you may want to pass over the one currently in your box from several days ago.

scandi
06-02-2007, 10:48 PM
Hi Everyone <<wavy guy>>

I have been missing you but been real busy. I got so spoiled in all the time I used to spend here but work is getting busy and I am also Modding on the ForMadeleine website. I do love being a Mod and have learned alot about Forumdum. ;)

I listened to Kimberly tonight and she did a very nice spot on our case - Thank Goodness! Problem is there wasnt much new, except for a sense of how the case is going. Detectives wake up in the middle of the night and they are hungry for anything to try and finally put the case together. This was a statement on the show, not my opinion.

It didnt seem like they are on the verge of making an arrest, which was discouraging. It got me to thinking it might be time for them to start over at the beginning and see if any other scenarios fit with the facts we know. I never thought Id ever say that!~ LOL Expand the horisons and maybe look at things we thought were pretty pat that could logically be a different angle but explain all the circumstances that we know.

The one that comes to mind to reasess could be the randomness of the crime. LE felt it not random for many reasons which they havent spelled out per se, but if it were not random would there be a scenario where the actions of the husband would make sense, possibly why Cassidy is kept sheltered and by lots of family, another scenario that would make the Judge say YES, we need these records when it is most unusual. etc?

I could make a list - we all could, Ben Franklin style, of everything we know. Then make a column for the husband and a column for other. It would be very interesting to see what we would end up with, and if the other column fit as did the husband, why we would have a whole new case, wouldnt we?

Love to all, and I do apologise buy I cant make an apostrophy - my compluter wont let me. It is the funniest thing. I have this new little bar that popps up on the bottom of my screen and says No No every time I type one. :p

[color=magenta]Scandi[color] {or slashes, evidently!}

Scout
06-04-2007, 11:28 AM
I've been informed that gojo believes I am posting under another nick at the refugee forum. For the record, I am not. I am posting my denial here for the benefit of other readers. I won't bother trying to convince gojo, as he probably wouldn't believe me anyway.

His belief that I am deceitful says more about his character than mine.

Taximom
06-04-2007, 12:02 PM
Kim's segment recapping the Young case is on YouTube:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=beKn5wR2Euo

Taximom
06-04-2007, 12:03 PM
I've been informed that gojo believes I am posting under another nick at the refugee forum. For the record, I am not. I am posting my denial here for the benefit of other readers. I won't bother trying to convince gojo, as he probably wouldn't believe me anyway.

His belief that I am deceitful says more about his character than mine.

OH brother, Scout. Your reputation is beyond reproach. gojo needs to gojump in a lake.

BarnGoddess
06-04-2007, 12:59 PM
Hi Everyone <<wavy guy>>
<<snipped>>
I listened to Kimberly tonight and she did a very nice spot on our case - Thank Goodness! Problem is there wasnt much new, except for a sense of how the case is going. Detectives wake up in the middle of the night and they are hungry for anything to try and finally put the case together. This was a statement on the show, not my opinion.

It didnt seem like they are on the verge of making an arrest, which was discouraging. It got me to thinking it might be time for them to start over at the beginning and see if any other scenarios fit with the facts we know. I never thought Id ever say that!~ LOL Expand the horisons and maybe look at things we thought were pretty pat that could logically be a different angle but explain all the circumstances that we know.

The one that comes to mind to reasess could be the randomness of the crime. LE felt it not random for many reasons which they havent spelled out per se, but if it were not random would there be a scenario where the actions of the husband would make sense, possibly why Cassidy is kept sheltered and by lots of family, another scenario that would make the Judge say YES, we need these records when it is most unusual. etc?

I could make a list - we all could, Ben Franklin style, of everything we know. Then make a column for the husband and a column for other. It would be very interesting to see what we would end up with, and if the other column fit as did the husband, why we would have a whole new case, wouldnt we?
[color=magenta]Scandi[color] {or slashes, evidently!}

What would be most helpful would be for one of those detectives that wake up in the middle of the night to come on and post what they think. We could then ask questions, pose suggestions, trade clues. Mmmmmm!

I don't think it will happen, but interesting scenario. Detectives, if you are reading here, any takers?

Scout
06-04-2007, 01:02 PM
OH brother, Scout. Your reputation is beyond reproach. gojo needs to gojump in a lake.


Thanks for the kind words, Taximom.

raisincharlie
06-04-2007, 02:25 PM
I've been informed that gojo believes I am posting under another nick at the refugee forum. For the record, I am not. I am posting my denial here for the benefit of other readers. I won't bother trying to convince gojo, as he probably wouldn't believe me anyway.

His belief that I am deceitful says more about his character than mine.

Scout,

Glad you posted this, I think if posters from here were to look at Refugees they would realize that first, there is no reason you would post there, and there would be no reason for us to post there either. And I agree, about the character issue - volumes.

close_enough
06-04-2007, 02:43 PM
Another day, another week....still praying for justice for Michelle Young and baby boy.

(sighs) for sure......i thought about this case the other night while watching, ooooh, can't even think of the name of the show now...Cold Case Files or something along those lines...anyway, it was a case where LE KNEW the husband killed his wife (or was it ex-wife?) but just simply didn't have enough to go to court with....(all circumstantial evidence)...it took 10 & a half months to arrest the guy, but when they finally did, they nailed his aaaass....

watching the show gave me some hope that Michelle's friends & family WILL see justice prevail!

strach304
06-04-2007, 03:11 PM
I do think an arrest will eventually happen in this case, when is the question.

Scout, it sounds like Mimi is rubbing off on Gojo. That is her usual paranoid accusations when she has nothing else to put up so she tries to discredit the poster.

Scout
06-04-2007, 04:19 PM
Scout,

Glad you posted this, I think if posters from here were to look at Refugees they would realize that first, there is no reason you would post there, and there would be no reason for us to post there either. And I agree, about the character issue - volumes.


I do think an arrest will eventually happen in this case, when is the question.

Scout, it sounds like Mimi is rubbing off on Gojo. That is her usual paranoid accusations when she has nothing else to put up so she tries to discredit the poster.

Thanks for the affirmations, RC and strach.

The Saint
06-04-2007, 07:58 PM
scout, everyone knows you aren't posting at RU. posters on all boards could learn a lot about the case by simply reading your blog! the pesky ones could get answers to their millions of repetitive questions if they just spent one night reading your information.

sweetmop
06-04-2007, 08:13 PM
HI everyone! Hope all is well with each of you.
Thank you Taximom, for posting kimbery's segment on " our case ". i feel for LE and can sympathize with them. We know how this case is driving us crazy, can you imagine their feelings? God bless all of them.
I really felt that we would have an arrest by now, and here it is 7 months after the vicious act. I truely believe we will in deed see an arrest though, not sure how soon though.
I still believe that Jason Young is the guilty one, why else for his persistent silence and his refusal to assist LE in any fashion? What must his mother think and feel? Does she not question him, question his actions or lack of actions? And, what about his sisters? They really think he is innocent too?
I'm not familiar with Refugees, is this another board? Is gojo on that one now? And, if mimi is there, well, that's enough said for me!
The recent news of JY getting ready to put the house on the market is astonishing to me. I feel the guy is probably strapped financially, but how can you put your house on the market when you are named the person of interest in a murder case? I guess because he hasn't been formally charged, right? Something about that doesn't seem right to me!
Hopefully, we will have Justice for Michelle and her Baby Boy very soon.

jilly
06-04-2007, 09:15 PM
Scout,

Glad you posted this, I think if posters from here were to look at Refugees they would realize that first, there is no reason you would post there, and there would be no reason for us to post there either. And I agree, about the character issue - volumes.

Well, I was wondering about this site, but I'll just steer clear. Thanks RC!:)
And Scout, I think you're one of the fairest, credible posters around - don't even give a second thought about what this other poster is thinking/saying. I know I don't anymore.

Bellgardin
06-04-2007, 10:07 PM
HI everyone! Hope all is well with each of you.
Thank you Taximom, for posting kimbery's segment on " our case ". i feel for LE and can sympathize with them. We know how this case is driving us crazy, can you imagine their feelings? God bless all of them.
I really felt that we would have an arrest by now, and here it is 7 months after the vicious act. I truely believe we will in deed see an arrest though, not sure how soon though.
I still believe that Jason Young is the guilty one, why else for his persistent silence and his refusal to assist LE in any fashion? What must his mother think and feel? Does she not question him, question his actions or lack of actions? And, what about his sisters? They really think he is innocent too?
I'm not familiar with Refugees, is this another board? Is gojo on that one now? And, if mimi is there, well, that's enough said for me!
The recent news of JY getting ready to put the house on the market is astonishing to me. I feel the guy is probably strapped financially, but how can you put your house on the market when you are named the person of interest in a murder case? I guess because he hasn't been formally charged, right? Something about that doesn't seem right to me!
Hopefully, we will have Justice for Michelle and her Baby Boy very soon.

And again, I have to wonder if he needs cash-why not put a claim in on the insurance proceeds?? Obviously he knows he can't get it. That still is the sticking point for me. If he wasn't a serious person of interest to LE in this case, he would get the life insurance.

Bellgardin
06-04-2007, 10:10 PM
Scout,

Glad you posted this, I think if posters from here were to look at Refugees they would realize that first, there is no reason you would post there, and there would be no reason for us to post there either. And I agree, about the character issue - volumes.

Scout,

I totally agree with RC on this. I looked at this forum once and it was absolutely appalling there. I'm surprised no one has been sued-yet. I can't imagine you posting there, especially not deceitfully. I think his ship is sinking and all he has left to do is disparage other people. Which is ironic when you consider that is "supposedly" what he wanted to stop people from doing in the first place.

Scout
06-05-2007, 08:22 AM
scout, everyone knows you aren't posting at RU. posters on all boards could learn a lot about the case by simply reading your blog! the pesky ones could get answers to their millions of repetitive questions if they just spent one night reading your information.


Well, I was wondering about this site, but I'll just steer clear. Thanks RC!:)
And Scout, I think you're one of the fairest, credible posters around - don't even give a second thought about what this other poster is thinking/saying. I know I don't anymore.


Scout,

I totally agree with RC on this. I looked at this forum once and it was absolutely appalling there. I'm surprised no one has been sued-yet. I can't imagine you posting there, especially not deceitfully. I think his ship is sinking and all he has left to do is disparage other people. Which is ironic when you consider that is "supposedly" what he wanted to stop people from doing in the first place.

Wow, thanks to each of you for the very complimentary response. I hope I haven't offended anyone who is posting there in response to the refugees. I understand their reasons for doing so, and I've wanted to respond to some of the things gojo and company have posted a few times. But I consider that site gojo's hidey-hole and refuse to address him there on principle. If he wants to discuss anything, he needs to come out in the open and on a level playing field. As far as I'm concerned, he's just the bait in Mimi's sticky trap over there.

spring
06-05-2007, 02:11 PM
Wow, thanks to each of you for the very complimentary response. I hope I haven't offended anyone who is posting there in response to the refugees. I understand their reasons for doing so, and I've wanted to respond to some of the things gojo and company have posted a few times. But I consider that site gojo's hidey-hole and refuse to address him there on principle. If he wants to discuss anything, he needs to come out in the open and on a level playing field. As far as I'm concerned, he's just the bait in Mimi's sticky trap over there.

Scout, I wanted to say again how wonderful it was to look at the calendar on your blog and really put pieces together in my mind.

Nobody takes Gojo seriously. Everybody has watched him and his buddies accuse people since February, I believe it was. I have seen you ask him questions many times, and he just slinks away and hides, much like the silent one. I really have to wonder what it is he is hiding.

jmo

Scout
06-05-2007, 04:36 PM
Scout, I wanted to say again how wonderful it was to look at the calendar on your blog and really put pieces together in my mind.

Nobody takes Gojo seriously. Everybody has watched him and his buddies accuse people since February, I believe it was. I have seen you ask him questions many times, and he just slinks away and hides, much like the silent one. I really have to wonder what it is he is hiding.

jmo

Thank you, Spring! I'm glad you found the calendar helpful. Seeing things laid out like that makes it apparent how turbulent Michelle's last months really were. It's no wonder she sought help from a therapist.

And you're right about gojo. He continually comes up with lame excuses to avoid answering questions. I guess his latest accusation that I am a liar is just the current tactic. I can only conclude that he is avoiding answering any questions that might make Jason look bad.

raisincharlie
06-06-2007, 09:18 PM
Bellgardin

Would you please check your pm's when you have a chance ?

TIA

RC:D

j2mirish
06-06-2007, 09:29 PM
Well, I was wondering about this site, but I'll just steer clear. Thanks RC!:)
And Scout, I think you're one of the fairest, credible posters around - don't even give a second thought about what this other poster is thinking/saying. I know I don't anymore.

yea- what jilly said-- :blowkiss:

BarnGoddess
06-06-2007, 10:07 PM
I did go over there to peek. I looked there when the Holloway Forum blew up here. It took me a minute to remember the name. They are now moderated and she/he's timing out posters. Not much different than CTV.

Oh, and NO, I did not register.

Samiya
06-08-2007, 10:34 AM
I've been informed that gojo believes I am posting under another nick at the refugee forum. For the record, I am not. I am posting my denial here for the benefit of other readers. I won't bother trying to convince gojo, as he probably wouldn't believe me anyway.

His belief that I am deceitful says more about his character than mine.

You? Posting at that horrid place?

Well, now I've heard everything.

Nope, ya too classy for them.

Sami

Scout
06-08-2007, 04:51 PM
:blushing:

Taximom
06-10-2007, 11:25 PM
I never thought I'd see the day that the Michelle Young thread would reach the 2nd page of my "subscriptions".

I'm still praying for justice.

Taximom
06-11-2007, 01:43 AM
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/1487738/

Mattresses, children's toys and furniture were on the front lawn of Michelle Young's house Saturday. Her husband's relatives said they were moving some things out.

jake
06-11-2007, 07:51 PM
I never thought I'd see the day that the Michelle Young thread would reach the 2nd page of my "subscriptions".

I'm still praying for justice.

Howdy, Taximom. I reckon if you run off everybody who disagrees with other posters on this board, the board will soon be silent. Those "thank you" and "I agree" posts do get boring.

I reckon I don't have the diplomatic skills necessary to please the moderator. (Diplomacy is the ability to tell a person to go to Hell in such a way that he actually looks forward to the trip). :)

If someone says something stupid, I am apt to say it is stupid.

But like you, I am still praying for justice for Michelle, for Jason, for Cassie, and for the unborn baby.

Jake

close_enough
06-14-2007, 02:07 AM
http://www.wral.com/news/news_briefs/story/1487738/

Mattresses, children's toys and furniture were on the front lawn of Michelle Young's house Saturday. Her husband's relatives said they were moving some things out.

thanks for the updated link, TM:)....i read the comments...interesting

SueY
06-14-2007, 04:37 AM
thanks for the updated link, TM:)....i read the comments...interesting

Yes, they are interesting comments.

Something will happen in this case, someday.

DEPUTYDAWG
06-24-2007, 01:25 PM
Just bumping up today...thinking about Michelle and baby a lot today, after hearing so much about Jessie Davis. I am so relieved Jessie was found...and that someone is in custody for her murder.

Hoping the murderer of Michelle and her baby will be the guest of Corrections in the very near future...

Taximom
06-24-2007, 01:27 PM
At least the killer in this case was concerned enough about his child to try to get someone to find her early on. I'll give him that. :cool:

nanandjim
06-27-2007, 11:27 AM
Just bumping up today...thinking about Michelle and baby a lot today, after hearing so much about Jessie Davis. I am so relieved Jessie was found...and that someone is in custody for her murder.

Hoping the murderer of Michelle and her baby will be the guest of Corrections in the very near future...
I've been thinking about Michelle and her child, too, especially since Jessie Davis and Chloe have been in the news. I surely hope that justice is served for Michelle and baby boy.

raisincharlie
06-27-2007, 12:32 PM
At least the killer in this case was concerned enough about his child to try to get someone to find her early on. I'll give him that. :cool:

I won't - it simply does not mitigate the murder of the child's mother nor does it overcome the lasting effect it will have on the child. IMO - finding the child was secondary to finding the body while the killer was a good ways away from the scene.

Scout
06-27-2007, 06:46 PM
Howdy, Taximom. I reckon if you run off everybody who disagrees with other posters on this board, the board will soon be silent. Those "thank you" and "I agree" posts do get boring.

I reckon I don't have the diplomatic skills necessary to please the moderator. (Diplomacy is the ability to tell a person to go to Hell in such a way that he actually looks forward to the trip). :)

If someone says something stupid, I am apt to say it is stupid.

But like you, I am still praying for justice for Michelle, for Jason, for Cassie, and for the unborn baby.

Jake

Jake, you posted here earlier that investigators took a box of unused condoms from the master bedroom during their search of 5108 Birchleaf. I'm curious about that item. Friends of Michelle Money are said to have been told that Jason used a condom during their sexual encounter. So I wonder if that box of condoms was his for the purpose of using during extramarital sexual encounters rather than something belonging to Jason and Michelle as a couple. You probably wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

The Saint
06-28-2007, 07:42 PM
Howdy, Taximom. I reckon if you run off everybody who disagrees with other posters on this board, the board will soon be silent. Those "thank you" and "I agree" posts do get boring.

I reckon I don't have the diplomatic skills necessary to please the moderator. (Diplomacy is the ability to tell a person to go to Hell in such a way that he actually looks forward to the trip). :)

If someone says something stupid, I am apt to say it is stupid.

But like you, I am still praying for justice for Michelle, for Jason, for Cassie, and for the unborn baby.

Jake

jake,

if you are genuine in your desire for justice for michelle, BOTH unborn baby boys and cassidy, then your prayers will be answered
when jason confesses to this brutal murder.

diplomacy or lack thereof is the least of it when considering who will end up in HELL.:furious:
it is an unrepentant killer and the liars who are aiding him to evade answering for what he did that night at 5108 birchleaf
who should be concerned with fire and brimstone.

and i reckon that jason is not looking forward to the trip...

5bigfish5
06-28-2007, 10:56 PM
jake,

if you are genuine in your desire for justice for michelle, BOTH unborn baby boys and cassidy, then your prayers will be answered
when jason confesses to this brutal murder.

diplomacy or lack thereof is the least of it when considering who will end up in HELL.:furious:
it is an unrepentant killer and the liars who are aiding him to evade answering for what he did that night at 5108 birchleaf
who should be concerned with fire and brimstone.

and i reckon that jason is not looking forward to the trip...

Good Points...One and All.

Now, When is it decided between Heaven and Hell which way the supporters of such an animal will land, OR how much money they will have left in reserve once the truth comes out?

Hopefully the Step-Dad will have enough sense to bail at some point....he isn't getting any younger.

What a sad commentary that greed can destroy so many lives.

5BigFish5

Bellgardin
06-29-2007, 03:00 PM
I'm still wondering if anyone knows whether or not JY has put in a claim for the life insurance money? It still says a lot to me that it hasn't been paid out.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!!!

BG :D

Taximom
06-29-2007, 03:23 PM
The evidence from the Jennifer Nielsen crime has apparently been sent to the crime lab. She's the murdered pregnant woman stabbed while delivering papers early in the morning. (WS thread: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50541 )

I wonder if they will have to wait as long as we are in this case for forensic processing. :(

DEPUTYDAWG
06-29-2007, 04:30 PM
I'm still wondering if anyone knows whether or not JY has put in a claim for the life insurance money? It still says a lot to me that it hasn't been paid out.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!!!

BG :D

Hi BG!

I've been wondering about the insurance claim, and probably lack thereof. I guess I'm just "assuming" that he won't be putting a claim in until he's no longer a POI (and fat chance at THAT happening, LOL and IMO). I figure his attorney has already told him that it would be useless (since it probably wouldn't be paid out until he submitted to a depo, and he's NOT going to do that!)...or someone in the Young family just asked general questions with the insurance company and already knows that it wouldn't be successful until the same actions were completed.

That's my take on it; what do you think?
Happy Friday!!!!
DD

jilly
06-30-2007, 01:53 AM
Hi BG!

I've been wondering about the insurance claim, and probably lack thereof. I guess I'm just "assuming" that he won't be putting a claim in until he's no longer a POI (and fat chance at THAT happening, LOL and IMO). I figure his attorney has already told him that it would be useless (since it probably wouldn't be paid out until he submitted to a depo, and he's NOT going to do that!)...or someone in the Young family just asked general questions with the insurance company and already knows that it wouldn't be successful until the same actions were completed.

That's my take on it; what do you think?
Happy Friday!!!!
DD

Hi Dep!

I agree. I think his attorney has probably advised with respect to the depo.
This guy is such a cowardly :chicken: that imo he won't go near that insurance co with a 10 ft pole. The way he's even apparently ditched his friends and refused to talk about this to anyone tells me he is probably paranoid about saving his own life. He's worth more than any $1million.:rolleyes:

Bellgardin
06-30-2007, 09:04 AM
Hi BG!

I've been wondering about the insurance claim, and probably lack thereof. I guess I'm just "assuming" that he won't be putting a claim in until he's no longer a POI (and fat chance at THAT happening, LOL and IMO). I figure his attorney has already told him that it would be useless (since it probably wouldn't be paid out until he submitted to a depo, and he's NOT going to do that!)...or someone in the Young family just asked general questions with the insurance company and already knows that it wouldn't be successful until the same actions were completed.

That's my take on it; what do you think?
Happy Friday!!!!
DD

Hi DD!

I agree with you!! I'm sure he's been advised that he can't get the insurance money right now and continue to be silent, so he thinks he'll just wait. His attorney is more than aware that they won't pay until he's not a suspect. I'm curious as to how long this situation will stay this way since I'm also pretty sure the ins co. knows about this death from the police. If it goes on too long the ins co can go to the court and have them decide who to pay.

You would be surprised how many people are very vocal about wanting the proceeds even when they know they are under investigation for murder. I had a claim once where a son was the bene of his mother's ins policy and was eventually indicted for the murder of his own mother and the guy's wife called me every week about the money (about $10,000). At first she was polite but right before he was indicted she was calling several times a week threatening to sue me if I didn't pay the claim. They all knew that he was under investigation for murder even though he wasn't officially called a "person of interest" but I think they thought they could bully the co. into paying which did not happen. Of course, now he's in jail!

DEPUTYDAWG
06-30-2007, 10:07 AM
Hi Dep!

I agree. I think his attorney has probably advised with respect to the depo.
This guy is such a cowardly :chicken: that imo he won't go near that insurance co with a 10 ft pole. The way he's even apparently ditched his friends and refused to talk about this to anyone tells me he is probably paranoid about saving his own life. He's worth more than any $1million.:rolleyes:

Hey Jilly!
Okay, was that even painful for you to type?! :laugh:
He just thinks he's all that, doesn't he? :loser:

DEPUTYDAWG
06-30-2007, 10:12 AM
Hi DD!

I agree with you!! I'm sure he's been advised that he can't get the insurance money right now and continue to be silent, so he thinks he'll just wait. His attorney is more than aware that they won't pay until he's not a suspect. I'm curious as to how long this situation will stay this way since I'm also pretty sure the ins co. knows about this death from the police. If it goes on too long the ins co can go to the court and have them decide who to pay.

You would be surprised how many people are very vocal about wanting the proceeds even when they know they are under investigation for murder. I had a claim once where a son was the bene of his mother's ins policy and was eventually indicted for the murder of his own mother and the guy's wife called me every week about the money (about $10,000). At first she was polite but right before he was indicted she was calling several times a week threatening to sue me if I didn't pay the claim. They all knew that he was under investigation for murder even though he wasn't officially called a "person of interest" but I think they thought they could bully the co. into paying which did not happen. Of course, now he's in jail!

Mornin' BG!
That's interesting - is there a certain time frame that the ins. company must pay the claim? Like 2 years or ? Or does it vary by policy? Whoa, that could be interesting if the ins. company did that down the road.... ;)

jilly
06-30-2007, 06:57 PM
Hey Jilly!
Okay, was that even painful for you to type?! :laugh:
He just thinks he's all that, doesn't he? :loser:

Come to think of it....it was painful. hehe. Should have added a few :furious: :furious: :furious:
There. That makes me feel better!;)

jilly
06-30-2007, 06:59 PM
Mornin' BG!
That's interesting - is there a certain time frame that the ins. company must pay the claim? Like 2 years or ? Or does it vary by policy? Whoa, that could be interesting if the ins. company did that down the road.... ;)

Hmmmmm. I don't like the sounds of this. I don't want to see this creep get a dime!!:furious:

DEPUTYDAWG
06-30-2007, 07:15 PM
Hmmmmm. I don't like the sounds of this. I don't want to see this creep get a dime!!:furious:

I'd love to think they'd award it to Linda as trustee for Cassidy. Don't know where that would be in the odds of things...but I'd much rather think of that than it going to JY!

jilly
06-30-2007, 10:30 PM
I'd love to think they'd award it to Linda as trustee for Cassidy. Don't know where that would be in the odds of things...but I'd much rather think of that than it going to JY!

I'd go for that! Hopefully, Bellgardin will come back soon!

panthera
06-30-2007, 10:35 PM
Family of Slain Newspaper Carrier Vows to Change NC Fetal Homicide Laws

RALEIGH, N.C. — The father and husband of a slain pregnant woman vowed Friday to do everything in their power to change North Carolina's fetal homicide law, which bars prosecutors from seeking double murder charges.

"This is the murder of two human beings," said Kevin Blaine, whose daughter, Jennifer Nielsen, was eight months pregnant when she was killed two weeks ago.

"There's no reason an unborn child shouldn't be recognized in the case of a homicide," he said. Added Nielsen's husband, Tim: "It needs to be changed, and it needs to be changed as soon as possible."

Jennifer Nielsen, 22, was pregnant with her third child when she was found dead behind a Raleigh convenience store in the early morning hours of June 14. Authorities said she had been stabbed in the neck.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/1546058/


Now, if Jason Young is so innocent of Michelle's murder, why didn't he try to do anything to change the law since Michelle and her unborn child were killed last November?? :mad:

jilly
06-30-2007, 11:17 PM
[B]

Now, if Jason Young is so innocent of Michelle's murder, why didn't he try to do anything to change the law since Michelle and her unborn child were killed last November?? :mad:

Good to see you here again panthera!:) Thanks for this link.

You're absolutely right! He's done absolutely squat!:furious:

panthera
06-30-2007, 11:25 PM
Good to see you here again panthera!:) Thanks for this link.

You're absolutely right! He's done absolutely squat!:furious:
Hi again!! :) I've been around on different forums since not much as been going on with Michelle's case, unfortunately. I just found this article in regard to yet another murdered pregnant woman and it made me think about Jason Young's seemingly total lack of concern for Michelle and their unborn child. It speaks volumes to me. :mad:

Bellgardin
07-02-2007, 09:41 AM
Mornin' BG!
That's interesting - is there a certain time frame that the ins. company must pay the claim? Like 2 years or ? Or does it vary by policy? Whoa, that could be interesting if the ins. company did that down the road.... ;)

Hi again! Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Unfortunately, there is no set answer because these situations are handled on a case by case basis. There are many different things that can happen-the bene(suspect) can sue the ins co to try to force them to release the proceeds to them (like Justin Barber) or the family can sue to stop the proceeds from being released to them (Kathleen Peterson). It's not a quick or easy thing to solve. However, I'm intrigued in this case because no claim has been made for the ins money.

There are statutes that set guidelines for interest and what the amt of interest is and what the start period is for the interest-so many days from receipt of proof of death or notice of death, date of death, etc... But every state is different and has different rules. However, I don't believe that any claim has been made, but you can bet that the ins co is aware of this case from the police. I don't know what the interest rate is(or if it is even required in NC-I don't remember!) but if the co is required to pay interest, they may not want to wait 2 or 4 or 5 years, they are going to want to pay the money eventually to someone. That's where it would get tricky and the court would probably get involved and what would happen is anyone's guess.

I've wondered more than once why the reporters have not touched on this aspect of this story. To me, it seems obvious that despite the JY "camp" trying to spin issues such as condoms, mysterious footprints and unidentified fingerprints in the MBR as showing he is NOT a poi or suspect in the eyes of LE, he still is or he would have claimed and been paid the ins money by now, period, end of story. That's my opinion anyway.

strach304
07-02-2007, 06:50 PM
I'm glad to see you weigh in on this again Bellgardin as I hoped you would. After all this time imo this is a much more remarkable aspect in comparison to the early days where a claim had not been filed. Can't help but ask now especially in consideration of Cassidy's needs why no claim? I'm sure LE is baffled by this as well. Possible that a claim has been filed and we don't know about it? He has a good lawyer or so it's been said, can't he advise on it and protect his clients interest?

DEPUTYDAWG
07-02-2007, 09:18 PM
I've wondered more than once why the reporters have not touched on this aspect of this story. To me, it seems obvious that despite the JY "camp" trying to spin issues such as condoms, mysterious footprints and unidentified fingerprints in the MBR as showing he is NOT a poi or suspect in the eyes of LE, he still is or he would have claimed and been paid the ins money by now, period, end of story. That's my opinion anyway.

Thanks, BG! I, as well as others, appreciate your insight on this subject. :clap:

Waiting patiently for justice for Michelle...

Bellgardin
07-03-2007, 08:44 AM
I'm glad to see you weigh in on this again Bellgardin as I hoped you would. After all this time imo this is a much more remarkable aspect in comparison to the early days where a claim had not been filed. Can't help but ask now especially in consideration of Cassidy's needs why no claim? I'm sure LE is baffled by this as well. Possible that a claim has been filed and we don't know about it? He has a good lawyer or so it's been said, can't he advise on it and protect his clients interest?

It definitely is possible that a claim could have been filed and we don't know about it. However, I do think that if the claim were actually paid we would definitely hear about it. We don't really know if JY actually has requested claim forms, returned them or really what stage the claim is in. I'm sure her death certificate has been finalized and contains the actual cause and manner of death. So, I don't think it's lack of paperwork that is holding it up. There are just so many variables and so many unknowns.

And what peaks my curiousity about it is that his supporters claim to not know. I asked once and was told he wasn't sure about it and then it was never mentioned again. My posts were all ignored after that. Maybe I hit a little too close to home?? If you notice, they rarely discuss the insurance aspect of this case. My honest opinion is that he has not filed for the proceeds out of fear it will make him look guilty. That happened a lot when I did that kind of work. People would wait a long time for some reason thinking that if they waited we wouldn't look into it. I don't really understand that way of thinking, but I'm not a criminal. It didn't matter to me how long it was between the claim and the date of death, we still would contact the investigating police dept.

Some people also wait because when they make that call or finally send in the papers and receive the check, it makes things final. It's like admitting that the person is really gone. I had one lady tell me that notifying the company was the hardest thing she had to do because it made the whole thing so final.

I'm sure JY's atty knows all of this and has advised that he wait. I'm sure he knows that as long as LE is the least bit interested in him, the ins. co. is not going to pay him the money whether he files a claim or not. I'm not sure how long that patience is going to hold out. If you didn't have anything to do with the murder of your spouse, there is nothing at all wrong with filing a claim for the proceeds-that's what insurance is for! However, if you did, you may not want to open that door for yet another group of people to question you.

raisincharlie
07-03-2007, 08:59 AM
<snip>

I'm sure JY's atty knows all of this and has advised that he wait. I'm sure he knows that as long as LE is the least bit interested in him, the ins. co. is not going to pay him the money whether he files a claim or not. I'm not sure how long that patience is going to hold out. If you didn't have anything to do with the murder of your spouse, there is nothing at all wrong with filing a claim for the proceeds-that's what insurance is for! However, if you did, you may not want to open that door for yet another group of people to question you.

Bellgardin,

With respect to this issue - if a person makes a claim and the insurance company requests a deposition - what happens if that person refuses to cooperate and be deposed ? Can the insurance company refuse to deal with an uncooperative person who has not been cleared by a homicide investigation seek legal reassignment of the funds ? For some reason, I don't see a person who refuses to speak with LE having any desire to undergo a deposition either - JMO.

Bellgardin
07-03-2007, 09:29 AM
Bellgardin,

With respect to this issue - if a person makes a claim and the insurance company requests a deposition - what happens if that person refuses to cooperate and be deposed ? Can the insurance company refuse to deal with an uncooperative person who has not been cleared by a homicide investigation seek legal reassignment of the funds ? For some reason, I don't see a person who refuses to speak with LE having any desire to undergo a deposition either - JMO.

Hi RC!!! How's it going?

To be perfectly honest, I do not know the answer to your question. I've never had any experience with that. I would imagine that the ins co could go to the judge and explain that they do not feel comfortable making a decision to pay him the money unless he's deposed and let the judge decide what to do. Maybe the judge would order him to be deposed or he doesn't get the money? I guess all sorts of things could happen.

I totally agree with you, if JY will not speak to LE even with his atty present, then there is NO way he would be willing to undergo a deposition which is a possible explanation for why he has not claimed the proceeds. I'm sure he learned from Justin Barber's mistake.

raisincharlie
07-03-2007, 09:41 AM
Hi RC!!! How's it going?

To be perfectly honest, I do not know the answer to your question. I've never had any experience with that. I would imagine that the ins co could go to the judge and explain that they do not feel comfortable making a decision to pay him the money unless he's deposed and let the judge decide what to do. Maybe the judge would order him to be deposed or he doesn't get the money? I guess all sorts of things could happen.

I totally agree with you, if JY will not speak to LE even with his atty present, then there is NO way he would be willing to undergo a deposition which is a possible explanation for why he has not claimed the proceeds. I'm sure he learned from Justin Barber's mistake.

Hello Bellgardin !

Hey thanks - I can't imagine a judge looking at this scenario making a judgement against an insurance company. A judge can make an enquiry of LE about the status of a homicide and who is suspected and why. Interesting. Thanks for your response - hope you are doing well !

jake
07-04-2007, 09:48 PM
You? Posting at that horrid place?

Well, now I've heard everything.

Nope, ya too classy for them.

Sami

Howdy,

You're talking about RU. Not as classy as WS, of course. But the facts are there, even if they're not classy facts. The insiders over there--JTF, Gojo, Putup--will give you facts you don't want to know.

I recommend staying with WS.

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 09:52 PM
Jake, you posted here earlier that investigators took a box of unused condoms from the master bedroom during their search of 5108 Birchleaf. I'm curious about that item. Friends of Michelle Money are said to have been told that Jason used a condom during their sexual encounter. So I wonder if that box of condoms was his for the purpose of using during extramarital sexual encounters rather than something belonging to Jason and Michelle as a couple. You probably wouldn't know anything about that, would you?

Howdy,

Thank God I don't. But if seems to me, if that were true, he would have them well-hidden.

Do you girls really talk about your affairs in such detail?

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 09:54 PM
jake,

if you are genuine in your desire for justice for michelle, BOTH unborn baby boys and cassidy, then your prayers will be answered
when jason confesses to this brutal murder.

diplomacy or lack thereof is the least of it when considering who will end up in HELL.:furious:
it is an unrepentant killer and the liars who are aiding him to evade answering for what he did that night at 5108 birchleaf
who should be concerned with fire and brimstone.

and i reckon that jason is not looking forward to the trip...

Howdy,

I trust you are not including me in your list of liars going to hell. I am all for Michelle's killers going to hell.... and I certainly won't lie for them.

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 09:56 PM
I'm still wondering if anyone knows whether or not JY has put in a claim for the life insurance money? It still says a lot to me that it hasn't been paid out.

Hope everyone has a great weekend!!!!

BG :D

Howdy,

Jason has not put in a claim for the insurance, as of yesterday. He doesn't need the money.

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 09:58 PM
Hi Dep!

I agree. I think his attorney has probably advised with respect to the depo.
This guy is such a cowardly :chicken: that imo he won't go near that insurance co with a 10 ft pole. The way he's even apparently ditched his friends and refused to talk about this to anyone tells me he is probably paranoid about saving his own life. He's worth more than any $1million.:rolleyes:

Howdy,

You've been misled. He has not ditched his friends.

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 10:01 PM
I'd love to think they'd award it to Linda as trustee for Cassidy. Don't know where that would be in the odds of things...but I'd much rather think of that than it going to JY!

Howdy,

Just curious: do you know Linda?

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 10:02 PM
Family of Slain Newspaper Carrier Vows to Change NC Fetal Homicide Laws

RALEIGH, N.C. The father and husband of a slain pregnant woman vowed Friday to do everything in their power to change North Carolina's fetal homicide law, which bars prosecutors from seeking double murder charges.

"This is the murder of two human beings," said Kevin Blaine, whose daughter, Jennifer Nielsen, was eight months pregnant when she was killed two weeks ago.

"There's no reason an unborn child shouldn't be recognized in the case of a homicide," he said. Added Nielsen's husband, Tim: "It needs to be changed, and it needs to be changed as soon as possible."

Jennifer Nielsen, 22, was pregnant with her third child when she was found dead behind a Raleigh convenience store in the early morning hours of June 14. Authorities said she had been stabbed in the neck.

http://www.wral.com/news/state/story/1546058/


Now, if Jason Young is so innocent of Michelle's murder, why didn't he try to do anything to change the law since Michelle and her unborn child were killed last November?? :mad:

Howdy,

I agree. I hope he will. Maybe when the killers are arrested, Jason will be more vocal.

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 10:07 PM
Hi again! Hope everyone had a great weekend!

Unfortunately, there is no set answer because these situations are handled on a case by case basis. There are many different things that can happen-the bene(suspect) can sue the ins co to try to force them to release the proceeds to them (like Justin Barber) or the family can sue to stop the proceeds from being released to them (Kathleen Peterson). It's not a quick or easy thing to solve. However, I'm intrigued in this case because no claim has been made for the ins money.

There are statutes that set guidelines for interest and what the amt of interest is and what the start period is for the interest-so many days from receipt of proof of death or notice of death, date of death, etc... But every state is different and has different rules. However, I don't believe that any claim has been made, but you can bet that the ins co is aware of this case from the police. I don't know what the interest rate is(or if it is even required in NC-I don't remember!) but if the co is required to pay interest, they may not want to wait 2 or 4 or 5 years, they are going to want to pay the money eventually to someone. That's where it would get tricky and the court would probably get involved and what would happen is anyone's guess.

I've wondered more than once why the reporters have not touched on this aspect of this story. To me, it seems obvious that despite the JY "camp" trying to spin issues such as condoms, mysterious footprints and unidentified fingerprints in the MBR as showing he is NOT a poi or suspect in the eyes of LE, he still is or he would have claimed and been paid the ins money by now, period, end of story. That's my opinion anyway.

Howdy,

Thanks for your expertise on this insurance business. I think the insurance money is not real important to Jason. He makes a good living and can provide for himself and Cassie. I believe he looks upon it as a trust fund for Cassie when she might need it.

--Jake

The Saint
07-04-2007, 10:18 PM
Howdy,

Thank God I don't. But if seems to me, if that were true, he would have them well-hidden.

Do you girls really talk about your affairs in such detail?

--Jake

why do you think jay's closet was torn apart?

The Saint
07-04-2007, 10:22 PM
Howdy,

Thanks for your expertise on this insurance business. I think the insurance money is not real important to Jason. He makes a good living and can provide for himself and Cassie. I believe he looks upon it as a trust fund for Cassie when she might need it.

--Jake
"...when she might need it"
that is, when her father goes to prison for killing her mother.

The Saint
07-04-2007, 10:25 PM
Howdy,

You've been misled. He has not ditched his friends.

--Jake

correct. it is the other way around. his friends have ditched him. killing your wife and unborn child makes you a bit of a pariah.

jake
07-04-2007, 10:40 PM
why do you think jay's closet was torn apart?

Howdy,

I've wondered about that. Jason did have some money in there, but I don't know who knew about it. I doubt someone was looking for condoms.

However, I only saw it after the cops had been through. Maybe they did it?

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 10:41 PM
"...when she might need it"
that is, when her father goes to prison for killing her mother.

Howdy,

I reckon that might be a needful time. Or, maybe when she leaves home for college?

--Jake

jake
07-04-2007, 10:42 PM
correct. it is the other way around. his friends have ditched him. killing your wife and unborn child makes you a bit of a pariah.

Howdy,

Afraid you've been misled also. Jason's friends have not ditched him. We are all supportive.

--Jake

raisincharlie
07-04-2007, 10:44 PM
Yawn - it is time for that iggy button activation.

The Saint
07-04-2007, 10:54 PM
Howdy,

Afraid you've been misled also. Jason's friends have not ditched him. We are all supportive.

--Jake

i'm talking about his contemporaries, jake.

The Saint
07-04-2007, 10:56 PM
Howdy,

I've wondered about that. Jason did have some money in there, but I don't know who knew about it. I doubt someone was looking for condoms.

However, I only saw it after the cops had been through. Maybe they did it?

--Jake

i know that they are underpaid, but i think that they can buy their own condoms, jake.

The Saint
07-04-2007, 10:58 PM
so it's more than just a rumor that jay's SUV was spotted in the driveway at birchleaf in the early morning hours of nov. 3.

uh oh, not looking good for jason.

The Saint
07-04-2007, 11:00 PM
Howdy,

I agree. I hope he will. Maybe when the killers are arrested, Jason will be more vocal.

--Jake

"Mama! Don't let the big, rude deputy take me away!"

jilly
07-04-2007, 11:02 PM
correct. it is the other way around. his friends have ditched him. killing your wife and unborn child makes you a bit of a pariah.

That makes way more sense Saint. Thank you!

citygirl
07-04-2007, 11:03 PM
so it's more than just a rumor that jay's SUV was spotted in the driveway at birchleaf in the early morning hours of nov. 3.

uh oh, not looking good for jason.

I didn't realize that people know about this! This has been sooo hush-hush . Guess it's out there now......

raisincharlie
07-04-2007, 11:09 PM
I didn't realize that people know about this! This has been sooo hush-hush . Guess it's out there now......

A few other things are coming out as well citygirl. The good folks of Raleigh are getting a bit restless about it.

The Saint
07-04-2007, 11:21 PM
Howdy,

I reckon that might be a needful time. Or, maybe when she leaves home for college?

--Jake

yes, she has many lifelong needs that her father selfishly disregarded when he annihilated her mother. when she goes to college, she'll think of her mother and miss her terribly.

she might become a cheerleader like her mother and her heart will ache at the loss. she won't have michelle in the stands cheering her on. her dad won't be in the stands either; he'll be tucked away at a high-security prison.

raisincharlie
07-04-2007, 11:22 PM
Citygirl - please check your pm box.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 12:07 AM
Howdy,

Thank God I don't. But if seems to me, if that were true, he would have them well-hidden.

Do you girls really talk about your affairs in such detail?

--Jake

especially the ones where the guy murders his wife.

Taximom
07-05-2007, 12:23 AM
"killerS", eh? ROFL Or maybe Jason has two different personalities. Perhaps Jake speaks the truth.

Jason being more vocal once the real killers are arrested? More ROFL. :D I sense that might be something with the words "ouch" and "Bubba" in the same sentence.

Seriously, it would be terrific if Jason was more vocal NOW so that the real killers (ha) could be caught. Guess we know why his lips are zipped.

DEPUTYDAWG
07-05-2007, 08:49 AM
A few other things are coming out as well citygirl. The good folks of Raleigh are getting a bit restless about it.

Good morning RC,

Check your PM's please, it's important. I need you to verify something before I finish the research project. It's almost done :cool:

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 09:39 AM
Good morning RC,

Check your PM's please, it's important. I need you to verify something before I finish the research project. It's almost done :cool:


Done - WOW !

Pm back at you!

DEPUTYDAWG
07-05-2007, 10:11 AM
Done - WOW !

Pm back at you!

I think I owe someone the real good quality chocolate for that, huh?
And to think I made someone work on that info on the 4th :silenced:

Sami - what's that place by you?! (Sami, come out, come out, wherevery you are!)

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 10:22 AM
I think I owe someone the real good quality chocolate for that, huh?
And to think I made someone work on that info on the 4th :silenced:

Sami - what's that place by you?! (Sami, come out, come out, wherevery you are!)

Will send you some Toblerones for your friend. Please let him know the work is definitely appreciated. Amazing.

jake
07-05-2007, 11:11 AM
i'm talking about his contemporaries, jake.

Oh. Okay. I'll let them answer.

--Jake

jake
07-05-2007, 11:13 AM
so it's more than just a rumor that jay's SUV was spotted in the driveway at birchleaf in the early morning hours of nov. 3.

uh oh, not looking good for jason.

He should be in jail.

--Jake

jake
07-05-2007, 11:16 AM
yes, she has many lifelong needs that her father selfishly disregarded when he annihilated her mother. when she goes to college, she'll think of her mother and miss her terribly.

she might become a cheerleader like her mother and her heart will ache at the loss. she won't have michelle in the stands cheering her on. her dad won't be in the stands either; he'll be tucked away at a high-security prison.

It's a sorrowful time now.

jake
07-05-2007, 11:18 AM
especially the ones where the guy murders his wife.

That's interesting. I just can't imagine that conversation. Gotta be a woman I reckon.

--Jake

jake
07-05-2007, 11:21 AM
"killerS", eh? ROFL Or maybe Jason has two different personalities. Perhaps Jake speaks the truth.

Jason being more vocal once the real killers are arrested? More ROFL. :D I sense that might be something with the words "ouch" and "Bubba" in the same sentence.

Seriously, it would be terrific if Jason was more vocal NOW so that the real killers (ha) could be caught. Guess we know why his lips are zipped.

I doubt his reason for not talking has changed.

--Jake

Jess
07-05-2007, 11:21 AM
Jake,

Are you having a change of heart ? or are you just being sarcastic ??

jake
07-05-2007, 11:26 AM
Jake,

Are you having a change of heart ? or are you just being sarcastic ??

I don't appreciate sarcasm. It's weak and too easy. It's for the faint-of-heart and the not-too-bright.

Which post do you think is sarcastic?

Jess
07-05-2007, 11:43 AM
He should be in jail.

--Jake


That one !

jake
07-05-2007, 11:54 AM
That one !

Sorry. Maybe I was too cryptic.

If Jason's car was in his driveway at 3 a.m. on the night of the murder, he should be in jail. Don't you agree?

Scout
07-05-2007, 12:01 PM
Sorry. Maybe I was too cryptic.

If Jason's car was in his driveway at 3 a.m. on the night of the murder, he should be in jail. Don't you agree?


Patience is a virtue, jake. And it pays off.

jake
07-05-2007, 12:03 PM
Patience is a virtue, jake. And it pays off.

I reckon I don't know what that means, Scout.

Jess
07-05-2007, 12:13 PM
Sorry. Maybe I was too cryptic.

If Jason's car was in his driveway at 3 a.m. on the night of the murder, he should be in jail. Don't you agree?

1. Having hidden meaning.
2. Mystified or of an obscure nature.
3. Involving use of code or cipher.

I don't think so.

Guess you are just waiting for LE . along with the rest of us.

Scout
07-05-2007, 12:32 PM
I reckon I don't know what that means, Scout.


Give it time, jake.

jake
07-05-2007, 12:36 PM
1. Having hidden meaning.
2. Mystified or of an obscure nature.
3. Involving use of code or cipher.

I don't think so.

Guess you are just waiting for LE . along with the rest of us.

Not exactly. LE moved on from looking at Jason quite a while back. Like them, I am talking with people and reading here and there trying to figure motives and means the killers might have.

Wish the board had their resources. LE probably wishes they didn't have dozens of other cases to investigate.

athy
07-05-2007, 12:43 PM
these boards are made up of people from all walks of life....who's to say what resources are available to those here.

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 12:49 PM
these boards are made up of people from all walks of life....who's to say what resources are available to those here.

Hello Athy - haven't seen you in a while. Good point about resources, I think some would be surprised by the resources available, the boards are much more than entertainment for sure.

Soon there will be justice for Michelle and her unborn son.

jake
07-05-2007, 12:55 PM
these boards are made up of people from all walks of life....who's to say what resources are available to those here.

Except LE, no one has access to the evidence, nor the authority to gather more evidence.

spring
07-05-2007, 01:15 PM
Hello Athy - haven't seen you in a while. Good point about resources, I think some would be surprised by the resources available, the boards are much more than entertainment for sure.

Soon there will be justice for Michelle and her unborn son.



it appears someone wants to know what is going on behind LE doors. the usual, let me go bait and see what i fish out. too bad everybody is wise to that on EVERY board.

thank you to all those who have access to inside information, and thank you so much for sharing it with us.

the knock on the door is something that should be anticipated.

justice for Michelle and her babies!

athy
07-05-2007, 01:17 PM
may not have contact with the evidence that LE has but many can find info of other kinds out there if they know where to look. and not all share what info they gather.

jake
07-05-2007, 01:25 PM
it appears someone wants to know what is going on behind LE doors. the usual, let me go bait and see what i fish out. too bad everybody is wise to that on EVERY board.

thank you to all those who have access to inside information, and thank you so much for sharing it with us.

the knock on the door is something that should be anticipated.

justice for Michelle and her babies!

I don't have inside information from LE, Spring, but I'm happy to share what little I know from family resources.

I don't know what that bait and fish thing is.

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 01:28 PM
it appears someone wants to know what is going on behind LE doors. the usual, let me go bait and see what i fish out. too bad everybody is wise to that on EVERY board.

thank you to all those who have access to inside information, and thank you so much for sharing it with us.

the knock on the door is something that should be anticipated.

justice for Michelle and her babies!


People talk, even those associated with LE - human nature. The good folks in Raleigh are ready for the criminal to be arrested, they are sharing more and more information, they are more aware than some would think. I never did like fishing, too much deception involved in trying to catch the fish. Some are very good at it however, at least the deception part.

Yes, thanks to those who read here and have shared information behind the board, it is appreciated. We have hope that soon the perp will be exactly where he and he alone belongs.

Soon, very soon.

spring
07-05-2007, 01:30 PM
I don't have inside information from LE, Spring, but I'm happy to share what little I know from family resources.

I don't know what that bait and fish thing is.


as far as i can tell, the only people wanting the family lies are the refugees. the good people here are only wanting truth. slowly but surely, we are getting it. i know your eyes will never open wide enough to see it, but that's ok. there will be justice for Michelle.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 01:33 PM
Howdy,

I trust you are not including me in your list of liars going to hell. I am all for Michelle's killers going to hell.... and I certainly won't lie for them.

--Jake

your trust is misplaced.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 01:36 PM
Oh. Okay. I'll let them answer.

--Jake

they already have...

jake
07-05-2007, 01:39 PM
as far as i can tell, the only people wanting the family lies are the refugees. the good people here are only wanting truth. slowly but surely, we are getting it. i know your eyes will never open wide enough to see it, but that's ok. there will be justice for Michelle.

eyes wide open here spring willing to consider all evidence. really. i even read the refugees. the thing i like about them is they bring up different theories to explain the evidence and then debate the theories. i have seen some theories trashed because they didn't measure up. you call them family lies and maybe they are but usually lies don't last long.

jake
07-05-2007, 01:42 PM
your trust is misplaced.

That's okay. I won't think less of you.

DEPUTYDAWG
07-05-2007, 01:42 PM
People talk, even those associated with LE - human nature. The good folks in Raleigh are ready for the criminal to be arrested, they are sharing more and more information, they are more aware than some would think. I never did like fishing, too much deception involved in trying to catch the fish. Some are very good at it however, at least the deception part.

Yes, thanks to those who read here and have shared information behind the board, it is appreciated. We have hope that soon the perp will be exactly where he and he alone belongs.

Soon, very soon.

Spot on, RC.
Isn't is refreshing to see how dedicated many in the Raleigh area are in seeking justice for Michelle? The "above and beyond" is becoming more evident, isn't it?

jake
07-05-2007, 01:49 PM
Anyone want to hear another theory about the murder? Warning: it doesn't include Jason as one of the killers.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 01:49 PM
He should be in jail.

--Jake

you must have finally seen the light. yes, he should be in jail for what he did to michelle and his sons.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 01:51 PM
It's a sorrowful time now.

because it is finally sinking in that jason's butt will be parked in the slammer, soon.

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 01:54 PM
Spot on, RC.
Isn't is refreshing to see how dedicated many in the Raleigh area are in seeking justice for Michelle? The "above and beyond" is becoming more evident, isn't it?


I have been very impressed with WCSO - very professional, very methodical, their focus is obvious. The DA will be handed a very thorough series of case files I think. Then there are those friends of Michelle's, she was (sad to have to say was) much loved and it seems they are also as dedicated. I followed the Davis case - those people were amazing in their dedication to both finding Jessie and to provide the information necessary to help LE. From what I have seen, the folks in Raleigh are no less determined to have this murderer put behind bars where he belongs.

It will happen.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 01:57 PM
Howdy,

I've wondered about that. Jason did have some money in there, but I don't know who knew about it. I doubt someone was looking for condoms.

However, I only saw it after the cops had been through. Maybe they did it?

--Jake

obviously, jason didn't know he had money in his closet , because:

1. he was on his way to pick up used furniture/nursery decorations at the same time he was expecting out of town guests for the Homecoming Game.

2. His home did not have heat on the second floor

3. The garage door opener was broken

spring
07-05-2007, 02:01 PM
eyes wide open here spring willing to consider all evidence. really. i even read the refugees. the thing i like about them is they bring up different theories to explain the evidence and then debate the theories. i have seen some theories trashed because they didn't measure up. you call them family lies and maybe they are but usually lies don't last long.


if people want to waste their time coming up with "other theories" that's their prerogative. i don't really see the need when we have TONS of credible inside information. i know we have all looked at all the evidence. we have all debated evidence and come up with our own theories, and now we have credible insider information to confirm what we thought all along.

and it's funny you mention lies not lasting long. beside people who crave attention, who is buying what you're selling? if you think that makes them credible when they come parrot your information, it doesn't. your lies haven't lasted long anywhere. open your eyes.

spring
07-05-2007, 02:02 PM
Anyone want to hear another theory about the murder? Warning: it doesn't include Jason as one of the killers.


see my above post.

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 02:04 PM
obviously, jason didn't know he had money in his closet , because:

1. he was on his way to pick up used furniture/nursery decorations at the same time he was expecting out of town guests for the Homecoming Game.

2. His home did not have heat on the second floor

3. The garage door opener was broken

So, we have graduated from stolen jewelry to stolen money as well. Right - this is turning into a real closet case - seems Jason kept everything in that closet - what next? I seriously doubt family members and friends who did not live in that house could even know about that one way or the other.

Mama-cita
07-05-2007, 02:06 PM
if people want to waste their time coming up with "other theories" that's their prerogative. i don't really see the need when we have TONS of credible inside information. i know we have all looked at all the evidence. we have all debated evidence and come up with our own theories, and now we have credible insider information to confirm what we thought all along.

and it's funny you mention lies not lasting long. beside people who crave attention, who is buying what you're selling? if you think that makes them credible when they come parrot your information, it doesn't. your lies haven't lasted long anywhere. open your eyes.

Am I the only one here who has not idea what is going on? Where can I find out some inside info, and not the Jake stuff, just legitimate stuff? Is there another board where there is info? And where the heck is Sami gone to? And is there going to be an arrest soon???? I sure hope so...
Bobby Cutts will get his, now we need Raven, Jayson and Craig Stebic to have their payday...

jake
07-05-2007, 02:07 PM
if people want to waste their time coming up with "other theories" that's their prerogative. i don't really see the need when we have TONS of credible inside information. i know we have all looked at all the evidence. we have all debated evidence and come up with our own theories, and now we have credible insider information to confirm what we thought all along.

and it's funny you mention lies not lasting long. beside people who crave attention, who is buying what you're selling? if you think that makes them credible when they come parrot your information, it doesn't. your lies haven't lasted long anywhere. open your eyes.

thanks for being so open. it's refreshing.

citygirl
07-05-2007, 02:20 PM
if people want to waste their time coming up with "other theories" that's their prerogative. i don't really see the need when we have TONS of credible inside information. i know we have all looked at all the evidence. we have all debated evidence and come up with our own theories, and now we have credible insider information to confirm what we thought all along.

and it's funny you mention lies not lasting long. beside people who crave attention, who is buying what you're selling? if you think that makes them credible when they come parrot your information, it doesn't. your lies haven't lasted long anywhere. open your eyes.

Hi ,Spring, not sure we've met. I don't post much here but do try to read.When you speak of followers who parrot information, would you be referring to Old King Cole and the Fiddler's three ?

I'm glad the inside info is falling into place. I learned several things months ago and was sworn to secrecy . I'm sure others have kept quiet too.

It may take some time but justice will be served.

spring
07-05-2007, 02:30 PM
Hi ,Spring, not sure we've met. I don't post much here but do try to read.When you speak of followers who parrot information, would you be referring to Old King Cole and the Fiddler's three ?

I'm glad the inside info is falling into place. I learned several things months ago and was sworn to secrecy . I'm sure others have kept quiet too.

It may take some time but justice will be served.

so nice to meet you!

i'll pm you the info.

time heals all things, but all that time, the killer jumps every time there is a knock at the door. he may think he has gotten away with this, but will soon find out he hasn't.

Scout
07-05-2007, 02:41 PM
Anyone want to hear another theory about the murder? Warning: it doesn't include Jason as one of the killers.

I'm always open to new theories, jake. I'd prefer you post it out in the open as opposed to sending it via PM. Thanks.

Scout
07-05-2007, 03:00 PM
Anyone want to hear another theory about the murder? Warning: it doesn't include Jason as one of the killers.

I'm always open to new theories, jake. I'd prefer you post it out in the open as opposed to sending it via PM. Thanks.



Okay. I'll check back later. I'm a little short on patience today.

less0305
07-05-2007, 03:59 PM
Am I the only one here who has not idea what is going on? Where can I find out some inside info, and not the Jake stuff, just legitimate stuff? Is there another board where there is info? And where the heck is Sami gone to? And is there going to be an arrest soon???? I sure hope so...
Bobby Cutts will get his, now we need Raven, Jayson and Craig Stebic to have their payday...

I'm as much in the dark as you are mama cita. I wish I knew what the heck everyone is being so secretive about. Oh, well.... guess I'll just have to sweat it out and wait for something to hit the papers.

Scout
07-05-2007, 04:09 PM
Howdy,

You're talking about RU. Not as classy as WS, of course. But the facts are there, even if they're not classy facts. The insiders over there--JTF, Gojo, Putup--will give you facts you don't want to know.

I recommend staying with WS.

--Jake

I must have missed this post earlier.

You once told me that JTF is brilliant, jake. I haven't seen any standouts over there at RU. Are you sure she posts there?

jake
07-05-2007, 04:14 PM
I must have missed this post earlier.

You once told me that JTF is brilliant, jake. I haven't seen any standouts over there at RU. Are you sure she posts there?

She shows up occasionally, Scout. I'll get back to that other thing in a while. Gotta do some more stuff here.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 04:25 PM
She shows up occasionally, Scout. I'll get back to that other thing in a while. Gotta do some more stuff here.

stuff or fluff?

jay's friends and the whole Enchanted Oaks neighborhood knew about his affair with MM BEFORE the investigators showed up at her doorstep in Florida. MM's friends knew AFTER.

who spread around the details of the affair ? the male who orchestrated it, not the female.

i guess you'd have to be a man to understand that...

DEPUTYDAWG
07-05-2007, 04:27 PM
so nice to meet you!

i'll pm you the info.

time heals all things, but all that time, the killer jumps every time there is a knock at the door. he may think he has gotten away with this, but will soon find out he hasn't.


Hi Spring!

Just finished reading about an arrest of a son for the 1997 (yes, 1997) murder of his father. "A _______ man whom police have tried to link to the death of his father nearly a decade ago in ________ County has been arrested in the slaying." (Reported 6/15/07)....

Continuing, the Sheriff of the County in which the murder took place, said the son was a person of interest for years.

Ah yes, days/months/even years...whatever it takes for justice. May the murderer continue to wonder if today's the day.

The Saint
07-05-2007, 04:57 PM
I must have missed this post earlier.

You once told me that JTF is brilliant, jake. I haven't seen any standouts over there at RU. Are you sure she posts there?

clue for JTF: wild horses
clue for rafter: bad speller, makes toasts with a can of beer, has time on his hands due to drought in NC

nanandjim
07-05-2007, 07:19 PM
I'm as much in the dark as you are mama cita...

I'm in the dark, too. :waitasec: ;)

DEPUTYDAWG
07-05-2007, 08:04 PM
Will send you some Toblerones for your friend. Please let him know the work is definitely appreciated. Amazing.

Getting back to the chocolate...

I talked to someone else in the office there that knows him and found out he orders special chocolates for his wife from a place called Peche or something like that (Blount Street in Raleigh). Might be kinda cool to then send him something for him and her from there.

Or! They sometimes have briefings at a place called Edible Art in Raleigh - guess it's like a bakery or something. The secretary said it's on Hillsborough Street.

Any Raleigh or NC resident ever been to either one of those places?

Okay, now back to Michelle and justice for her. It's getting closer....

close_enough
07-05-2007, 08:18 PM
Getting back to the chocolate...

I talked to someone else in the office there that knows him and found out he orders special chocolates for his wife from a place called Peche or something like that (Blount Street in Raleigh). Might be kinda cool to then send him something for him and her from there.

Or! They sometimes have briefings at a place called Edible Art in Raleigh - guess it's like a bakery or something. The secretary said it's on Hillsborough Street.

Any Raleigh or NC resident ever been to either one of those places?

Okay, now back to Michelle and justice for her. It's getting closer....

i hope you're right, Dawg.....8 months now

DEPUTYDAWG
07-05-2007, 08:35 PM
i hope you're right, Dawg.....8 months now


I know, Close.
It's so tough being patient, huh?
Yet, I believe the Wake Co. Gray Bar Hotel will be open for a long time, and they always make room for a certain type of murderer. ;)

j2mirish
07-05-2007, 08:39 PM
Hi Spring!

Just finished reading about an arrest of a son for the 1997 (yes, 1997) murder of his father. "A _______ man whom police have tried to link to the death of his father nearly a decade ago in ________ County has been arrested in the slaying." (Reported 6/15/07)....

Continuing, the Sheriff of the County in which the murder took place, said the son was a person of interest for years.

Ah yes, days/months/even years...whatever it takes for justice. May the murderer continue to wonder if today's the day.

the justice in my mind when it takes so long...is the murderer thinks they are scott free and living the life---
then wham.... I LIKE IT :D

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 08:41 PM
Getting back to the chocolate...

I talked to someone else in the office there that knows him and found out he orders special chocolates for his wife from a place called Peche or something like that (Blount Street in Raleigh). Might be kinda cool to then send him something for him and her from there.

Or! They sometimes have briefings at a place called Edible Art in Raleigh - guess it's like a bakery or something. The secretary said it's on Hillsborough Street.

Any Raleigh or NC resident ever been to either one of those places?

Okay, now back to Michelle and justice for her. It's getting closer....

DD,

Okay ! That sounds like a great idea since he is already familar with the quality we can maybe end up actually getting something just right. Just send me a pm and we can work on getting that taken care of - surely do appreciate what he has done.:)

I also did some calculations in order to help fill in one spot in this little puzzle - the trip from Raleigh to Hillsville is actually less than 2.5 hours by a bit. The gas usage, based on a Vin number trace indicates a gas consumption of 18.2 gallons. These calculations do not compensate for the increase in grade and elevation between Raleigh and Duffield and also does not include a stop at any meeting outside of Duffield. So the receipt should reflect at a minimum 18.2 gallons. Anything less, indicates a question about where the other gas station may be. Very interesting, I suspect it is just to the northwest of Raleigh.

Stoli
07-05-2007, 08:48 PM
Do you think a certain Brevardian feels the noose tightening yet?

raisincharlie
07-05-2007, 08:58 PM
Do you think a certain Brevardian feels the noose tightening yet?

IMO - they, as well as he feel like he has this whipped. They have invented at least 20 scenarios of who else did it and because there has been no arrest yet - they think it is a done deal. Quess they missed the part about no one else being hauled in on an NTO or being issued multiple warrants and no one else being arrested either. Ooops.

Stoli
07-05-2007, 09:05 PM
IMO - they, as well as he feel like he has this whipped. They have invented at least 20 scenarios of who else did it and because there has been no arrest yet - they think it is a done deal. Quess they missed the part about no one else being hauled in on an NTO or being issued multiple warrants and no one else being arrested either. Ooops.

Good thinking on their part. "Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow....."

I think they know the rest.