Lisa Stebic-Plainfield, IL mother of 2 Part 2

[WindChime]

Continue here please. Here is the link to first thread of Lisa S. missing.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49115

[Rosco]

Hubby does not look good right about now - IMO. I was shocked to hear on the news that she was trying to kick him out of the house. HUmmmm... now she is missing. :waitasec:

Rosco

[FactsareFacts]

I posted this on the other thread but it's new info so I thought I would bring it over here.

Well this is interesting too:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/389727,4_1_JO17_MISSING_S1.article)

Lisa Stebic was seeking alimony, but Craig said they could each support themselves, court records say. According to Lisa's petition, Craig earns more than $80,000 per year, while she earns less than $10,000 per year.

Is he for real? Did he actually think he wouldn't have to pay her when he made at least $70,000.00 more than here???

[Cubby]

copied from the last thread:


Quote:
Originally Posted by FactsareFacts http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1488387#post1488387)
Well this is interesting too:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/389727,4_1_JO17_MISSING_S1.article)

Lisa Stebic was seeking alimony, but Craig said they could each support themselves, court records say. According to Lisa's petition, Craig earns more than $80,000 per year, while she earns less than $10,000 per year.

Is he for real? Did he actually think he wouldn't have to pay her when he made at least $70,000.00 more than here???

What an idiot! I wonder if his attorney let him know that no judge is going to agree that a mother with two children can live on what would amount to less than 200.00 a week.

Not to mention that Lisa is entitled to not only Child support, (which would amount to about 400.00 per week based on his 80 thou a year.), and alimony but to a proration (based on the number of years married) of any profit sharing and retirement accounts.

Seems HIS money may have been a motive for him to make her disappear.


She wouldn't even get that much. Illinois is 28% of net income for two children. She'd get a little over 300 per week, assuming his net is appx 56K. He'll have (or should we say we would have...) had to carry both childrens medical and pay 50% of out of pocket medical support. I'm not familiar with spousal support, but even with incomes well over 6 figures there is still a limited amount of time an ex can get spousal support. Too bad he seems to love his money more than he loves his kids.

I'm still praying we are all wrong and she is found alive.

[micaelasmama]

copied from the last thread:



She wouldn't even get that much. Illinois is 28% of net income for two children. She'd get a little over 300 per week, assuming his net is appx 56K. He'll have (or should we say we would have...) had to carry both childrens medical and pay 50% of out of pocket medical support. I'm not familiar with spousal support, but even with incomes well over 6 figures there is still a limited amount of time an ex can get spousal support. Too bad he seems to love his money more than he loves his kids.

I'm still praying we are all wrong and she is found alive.

me too, i pray for her everyday!

[micaelasmama]

i was just curious if anyone heard anything about the cell phone that they allegedly found on 5/12 during the search? (i havent found an article on it.....one of the red cross people told me at the search!)

[Lanie]

as the Kathy Stobaugh case, which is how I ended up here and reading this one.
IMHO, her hubby did her in, but it is going to take more than theories for them to be able to arrest him. I also believe, again, just my opinion, that he killed her in a rage, maybe because of the filing for eviction, and so he had to come up with a quick way to get rid of the kids and cover up.

I also wanted to suggest Google Earth to people, as I haven't seen it mentioned. It's free to download, and you enter in an address and get a reasonable satellite view from a few years ago. I've found it very helpful to have a better idea of what the area looks like where these cases are happening.

[Utopia]

I have not yet had the opportunity to be the first to welcome someone on their very first post - so WELCOME Lanie! :D Great suggestion re Google Earth.

I'm not familiar with the Stobaugh case but I gather there is a thread here somewhere. I will go check it out.

Utopia

as the Kathy Stobaugh case, which is how I ended up here and reading this one.
IMHO, her hubby did her in, but it is going to take more than theories for them to be able to arrest him. I also believe, again, just my opinion, that he killed her in a rage, maybe because of the filing for eviction, and so he had to come up with a quick way to get rid of the kids and cover up.

I also wanted to suggest Google Earth to people, as I haven't seen it mentioned. It's free to download, and you enter in an address and get a reasonable satellite view from a few years ago. I've found it very helpful to have a better idea of what the area looks like where these cases are happening.

[MrsG728]

I also wanted to suggest Google Earth to people, as I haven't seen it mentioned. It's free to download, and you enter in an address and get a reasonable satellite view from a few years ago. I've found it very helpful to have a better idea of what the area looks like where these cases are happening.


Welcome, Lanie!
We love google earth! :D Right now, it's helping with an investigation into a girl whose remains were found in Brazoria county texas, at a dumpsite. Go check out the story in the Located forum under "princessblue"

MG

[Liz]

<snip>
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/389727,4_1_JO17_MISSING_S1.article)

Lisa Stebic was seeking alimony, but Craig said they could each support themselves, court records say. According to Lisa's petition, Craig earns more than $80,000 per year, while she earns less than $10,000 per year.

Is he for real? Did he actually think he wouldn't have to pay her when he made at least $70,000.00 more than here???


Glad you posted this. I was going to do it when I got back online if no one else did.

When I read that to hubby earlier today, he said, "there's motive, right there."


Who knows ... maybe Craig wouldn't have been ordered to pay spousal support to Lisa. But if what we've read about him being such a tightwad is true - for him to pay child support was probably going to practically kill him.


Hi Lanie! :) Welcome to Websleuths! :)

[Liz]

A couple snippets from this afternoon's article sub-titled, Petition: Craig Stebic Was 'Jeopardizing The Mental Well-Being' Of Their 2 Children (http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/local_story_137122330.html)


Lisa Stebic's cousin, Mark Greenberg, said last week the family was trying to keep hope alive as he spoke with CBS 2 about Craig Stebic.

"I think the commitment is there, from what I've seen of Craig – and I spent a good amount of time with him today – he's very troubled by this. He's very broken up," Greenberg said last week.

But several friends who spoke to CBS 2 news partner the Naperville Sun last week painted a picture of an extremely troubled marriage. They said Lisa told them Craig threatened on several occasions that he would kill her and nobody would find her.

Family members have said the allegations surprised them and that Craig would never hurt his wife.


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It also mentioned that Craig's hearing for sole custody of the children is scheduled for next Tuesday (May 22nd).

I still feel it is just so wrong that he filed that petition, and hope the judge refuses to grant it!

[Cubby]

A couple snippets from this afternoon's article sub-titled, Petition: Craig Stebic Was 'Jeopardizing The Mental Well-Being' Of Their 2 Children (http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/local_story_137122330.html)


Lisa Stebic's cousin, Mark Greenberg, said last week the family was trying to keep hope alive as he spoke with CBS 2 about Craig Stebic.

"I think the commitment is there, from what I've seen of Craig – and I spent a good amount of time with him today – he's very troubled by this. He's very broken up," Greenberg said last week.

But several friends who spoke to CBS 2 news partner the Naperville Sun last week painted a picture of an extremely troubled marriage. They said Lisa told them Craig threatened on several occasions that he would kill her and nobody would find her.

Family members have said the allegations surprised them and that Craig would never hurt his wife.


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It also mentioned that Craig's hearing for sole custody of the children is scheduled for next Tuesday (May 22nd).

I still feel it is just so wrong that he filed that petition, and hope the judge refuses to grant it!

IMO his demeanor indicates someone who is terrified he'll be caught. IF he were honestly that worried about her he would be out there busting his butt with everyone else searching -and- shield the children from all this by allowing more time with their grandparents or Aunt's and Uncles, while demonstrating he's willing to work with his childrens mother, because she is their mother regardless of what transpired between the two. He's already sending a message to his children he isn't willing to cooperate solely by his lack of actions. No doubt if Lisa hadn't gone missing he wouldn't make "co-parenting father" of the year. This all seems so "staged" by Craig. IF he is found guilty he will lose ALL parental rights to those children regardless of how the judge rules. I'd be really surprised if the judge would grant him sole custody. Why? He already has joint. Sounds to me like he wants some more upper hand to not allow those kids time with Lisa's family. Wonder why he's so worried about the kids spending time with Lisa's family.... Arrrrgh!

[Rosco]

I can't help but suspect Craig with all this negative information that is coming to the surface now.
Lisa is still missing and left without any direction as where she could/would have went - without her children.

Sorry - I can't help but feel he is involved somehow. I pray I am wrong for the sake of the children.

Rosco.

[Liz]

Snippets from yesterday's Herald News:

Lisa's petition lends credence to some concerns her friends have raised since her disappearance, including that Lisa sought counseling at Guardian Angel Community Services in Joliet.

"I¹ve heard her say, 'If anything ever happened to me, look towards Craig'," said Amer Zegar, speaking with The Herald News' partner the Naperville Sun.

Zegar and his wife hosted Lisa and her two children at his home several times since January.

Sheila Schmitz, chief executive officer of Guardian Angel Community Services, would not confirm whether Lisa was a client, but did say she had been contacted by police.

The organization offers a comprehensive counseling program for children, including kids whose parents are going through divorce, she said.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/390002,4_1_JO16_STEBICEVICT_S2.article


Has anyone else heard it reported that Lisa was allegedly seeking counseling for Zach with Guardian Angel Services, as he was having a rough time with his parents divorcing?

I heard it and can't recall where. Then when I read the above about Guardian Angel Services offering counseling for children, it lent a bit of credibility to what I'd heard.

[Bobbisangel]

It's hard to believe that Lisa's family aren't aware of the problems between her and Craig. It doesn't seem that Lisa was secretive about the problems and it also seems that she made sure that she told people who to look at if anything happened to her. I have an idea that her family are keeping mum because if they don't Craig may not allow them to see the kids. If they really believe that Craig wouldn't harm Lisa I think this family is going to be in for a surprise in not to long.

To me it is so obvious that Craig harmed Lisa before he sent the kids to the store 2-3 MILES AWAY on their bikes for CANDY. He had to get them out of the house so that he could get rid of her body and clean up anything that might have been a tell tale sign that something happened. Probably happened in their bedroom while the kids were busy elsewhere. I wonder if LE have had the chance to ask the kids if it was a normal thing for their dad to let them ride 2-3 miles to a store for candy. I'll bet it wasn't. This creep has guilty sticking out all over him.

[Rosco]

It's just not looking good for Craig right about now. IMO. Everyday I am reading more information stating Lisa was afraid of him and wanting him out of the house and her life.
Now she's gone. Again... Hummmmm.....

It just does not look possitive that Lisa will be found alive somewhere. Poor children is all I can think about if the father is responsible.
Rosco

[Lanie]

It's hard to believe that Lisa's family aren't aware of the problems between her and Craig. It doesn't seem that Lisa was secretive about the problems and it also seems that she made sure that she told people who to look at if anything happened to her. I have an idea that her family are keeping mum because if they don't Craig may not allow them to see the kids. If they really believe that Craig wouldn't harm Lisa I think this family is going to be in for a surprise in not to long.

I get the feeling that things weren't that bad between them so much until after she said she wanted a divorce. I find it very difficult to believe 1.) She would willingly leave her children alone with an abusive husband almost every day, while she was 'escaping' from him, and 2.) That there wouldn't be more said, even rumors, about abuse from him over the years.

To me it is so obvious that Craig harmed Lisa before he sent the kids to the store 2-3 MILES AWAY on their bikes for CANDY. He had to get them out of the house so that he could get rid of her body and clean up anything that might have been a tell tale sign that something happened. Probably happened in their bedroom while the kids were busy elsewhere.

This is what I think, too. My feeling is something came out, like the eviction, or maybe the boyfriend, and he lost control. So he gets the kids out of the house, and puts the body in one of the vehicles. He's probably sweating bullets until he feels it is safe for him to take it out and dump it. So where would he take it? I think it has to be somewhere he is at least a little familiar with, because he only has so much time to dispose of the body and then get back home before someone notices he is gone. My bet is it is somewhere around the father's cabin, or whatever it is, assuming it is close enough to get there and back on time.
I wonder if LE have had the chance to ask the kids if it was a normal thing for their dad to let them ride 2-3 miles to a store for candy. I'll bet it wasn't. This creep has guilty sticking out all over him.

Yeah, and from what has been said about Lisa and her kids, I bet if she was alive and well at that point, she would not have allowed them to go, and if he had already sent them off, she would have gone after them. All of this, of course, is just my opinion.

[SewingDeb]

I posted this on the other thread but it's new info so I thought I would bring it over here.

Well this is interesting too:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/h...ING_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/389727,4_1_JO17_MISSING_S1.article)

Lisa Stebic was seeking alimony, but Craig said they could each support themselves, court records say. According to Lisa's petition, Craig earns more than $80,000 per year, while she earns less than $10,000 per year.

Is he for real? Did he actually think he wouldn't have to pay her when he made at least $70,000.00 more than here???

Apparently he didn't care if she starved to death after the divorce. JMO.

[closeobserver]

I think it is a real shame that it took so long for the police to issue a SW. No matter what side you come down on in this case, the fact that it took so long will either make you feel that he had time to destroy evidence. If he is innocent, looking at him sooner would go a lot further in reducing doubt. On the Nancy Grace show, the Plainfield police captain said that after the initial cursory search (which is likely not very detailed), they didn't ask him to do a more thorough search, until they got the warrant. Why wait over 2 weeks?

On the flip side, if Craig is innocent, why didn't he do everthing in his power to exonorate himself by being more cooperative. I know that as much as I disliked my wife during my divorce, if she had shown up missing, I would have stopped at nothing to help find her because I do believe that they need a Father and a Mother.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this case is going to go cold. I hope I'm wrong.

[j2mirish]

I think it is a real shame that it took so long for the police to issue a SW. No matter what side you come down on in this case, the fact that it took so long will either make you feel that he had time to destroy evidence. If he is innocent, looking at him sooner would go a lot further in reducing doubt. On the Nancy Grace show, the Plainfield police captain said that after the initial cursory search (which is likely not very detailed), they didn't ask him to do a more thorough search, until they got the warrant. Why wait over 2 weeks?

On the flip side, if Craig is innocent, why didn't he do everthing in his power to exonorate himself by being more cooperative. I know that as much as I disliked my wife during my divorce, if she had shown up missing, I would have stopped at nothing to help find her because I do believe that they need a Father and a Mother.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this case is going to go cold. I hope I'm wrong.
I dont think it will go cold....just my hunch- nothing more

[closeobserver]

Reworded my thoughts:

I think it is a real shame that it took so long for the police to issue a SW. No matter what side you come down on in this case, the fact that it took so long will leave doubt about possibly destroyed evidence, if it existed in the first place. If he is innocent, looking at him sooner would go a lot further in reducing doubt. On the Nancy Grace show, the Plainfield police captain said that after the initial cursory search (which is likely not very detailed), they didn't ask him to do a more thorough search, until they got the warrant. Why wait over 2 weeks? They had information about the eviction motion within a few days after she turned up missing. Also, why didn't Lisa's lawyer immediately tell them about the pending motion. Even if they didn't have the signed copy back yet, they did prepare the document. Certainly they had to know of the possibility that Craig knew about it.

On the flip side, if Craig is innocent, why didn't he do everthing in his power to exonorate himself by being more cooperative. I know that as much as I disliked my wife during my divorce, if she had shown up missing, I would have stopped at nothing to help find her because I do believe that they need a Father and a Mother.

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this case is going to go cold. I hope I'm wrong. It seems that no one is being questioned, or leaned on. The SW seemed to be an afterthought, designed to appease the public due to a growing number of fingers being pointed at Craig. There was nothing proactive about this entire case.

Again, there is no solid evidence pointing to Craig, just circumstantial evidence. If he is innocent, the police did not do him a favor by looking away for so long. If he is guilty, they didn't do anyone else any favors either by looking away.

[closeobserver]

Post Chronicle, May 18, 12:30 PM

"She always picked up her 10-year-old son Zach from Walker's Grove Elementary School at 3:30, but it is unconfirmed as to whether or not Lisa was the one to pick up Zach the day of her disappearance."

Hello!!! Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to determine this one!

[Utopia]

Snipped...

"This is what I think, too. My feeling is something came out, like the eviction, or maybe the boyfriend, and he lost control."

The boyfriend? I haven't read anything to suggest there was a boyfriend, have you? Did I miss something?:confused:

[Utopia]

Post Chronicle, May 18, 12:30 PM

"She always picked up her 10-year-old son Zach from Walker's Grove Elementary School at 3:30, but it is unconfirmed as to whether or not Lisa was the one to pick up Zach the day of her disappearance."

Hello!!! Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how to determine this one!

:doh:No kidding - ask Zach!

[strach304]

In the current report where it says it's unconfirmed if Lisa picked up Zach the original reports stated the children's account of when they last saw Lisa agreed with what Craig had told LE. It was after that Craig cut off the communication with the children to LE.
Same with the report still saying they went to Walgreen's when it was posted to be Jewels, further away and across the highway.
What's new is the info of his employment as a pipefitter with Mechanical, Inc. and he was only placed at Dial Corp. and Tuesday was his last scheduled day there. There were conflicting reports originally stating he was a mechanic and pipefitter. One poster whose husband works for the same union stated that they move around to different locations.
Seems to me if LE went to the cabin to search right away, as reported then LE has suspected him from the beginning. I don't know why they waited on the warrants. They may now be talking to Mechanical, Inc. backtracking job locations and areas he's traveled including Dial Corp.

[Liz]

I think this is the headline, a snippet and the link to today's Post Chronicle article closeobserver quoted above:

Lisa Stebic Case: Updates Point To Non-Suspect, 'Abusive' Husband

Lisa Stebic Case - Lisa Stebic, a wife and mother of two from Plainfield, tried to have her "verbally abusive" husband Craig Stebic evicted the same day she went missing. Craig, who is not a suspect, seems to have more than one sign pointing the finger at him, and while he may or may not have participated in his wife's disappearance, it's certainly worth considering.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21281483.shtml


I agree, Closeobserver, it seems like a no-brainer to just ask Zach if his mom picked him up from school on Monday. But, maybe police haven't had the opportunity to do that. I could be mistaken but I think IF they question the children without Craig's permission, I think any info (and evidence obtained thru that info), would very likely be thrown out in a court of law.

Then there's always the possibility police may know more (maybe even a lot more) than what they are publicizing. Let's hope they do!

As far as waiting so long for a search warrant, the police must first have adequate "probable cause" to convince a judge or magistrate to issue the SW.

Bare in mind that age old document, known as the U.S. Constitution, must be upheld; which I think is a good thing. :)

[Liz]

In the current report where it says it's unconfirmed if Lisa picked up Zach the original reports stated the children's account of when they last saw Lisa agreed with what Craig had told LE. It was after that Craig cut off the communication with the children to LE.
Same with the report still saying they went to Walgreen's when it was posted to be Jewels, further away and across the highway.
What's new is the info of his employment as a pipefitter with Mechanical, Inc. and he was only placed at Dial Corp. and Tuesday was his last scheduled day there. There were conflicting reports originally stating he was a mechanic and pipefitter. One poster whose husband works for the same union stated that they move around to different locations.
Seems to me if LE went to the cabin to search right away, as reported then LE has suspected him from the beginning. I don't know why they waited on the warrants. They may now be talking to Mechanical, Inc. backtracking job locations and areas he's traveled including Dial Corp.


Hey strach - All these conflicting reports are making me :crazy: --- to the point of not being sure what to believe about anything.

Could you possibly post a link to the story you referred to that addresses Craig's employment or work location(s)? That info is not in the Post Chronicle article I linked. I'd really be most appreciative. :)

ETA: Nevermind the link, Strach! I think I located it and will post the link and some snippets below.

[Betsy]

I realize that LE has to be careful with the kids, and cannot question them without CS's permission, but...

Wouldn't an aunt or uncle be able to ask Zach that question?? I mean, seriously, if CS has a problem with Aunt Whoever asking Zach if Lisa picked him up from school that day, then CS REALLY has a problem, because that would tell me he's in this up to his red, tearless eyes.

[Seahorseladydi]

I realize that LE has to be careful with the kids, and cannot question them without CS's permission, but...

Wouldn't an aunt or uncle be able to ask Zach that question?? I mean, seriously, if CS has a problem with Aunt Whoever asking Zach if Lisa picked him up from school that day, then CS REALLY has a problem, because that would tell me he's in this up to his red, tearless eyes.

I am pretty sure that would be "hearsay" in a court of law......

but it would be nice for the family (not CS) to know.

[Betsy]

I am pretty sure that would be "hearsay" in a court of law......

but it would be nice for the family (not CS) to know.


I agree, but if and when it ever gets that far, the PA can question the kids on the stand without CS's permission, right?

I was referring more to the current investigation to try to confirm the timeline....But I'm sure LE knows a lot more than they're letting on....

[Liz]

The Big Story is supposed to be covering this story in the remaining 20 minutes. Don't know if there will be anything new, but tune in if you can! :)

One thing is supposed to be what some of the neighbors are saying. She's covering "Paris" right now.

[Seahorseladydi]

I agree, but if and when it ever gets that far, the PA can question the kids on the stand without CS's permission, right?

I was referring more to the current investigation to try to confirm the timeline....But I'm sure LE knows a lot more than they're letting on....


I TOTALLY AGREE with you here....... I have found this to be SO true in many many of the cases I have followed (Ashely/Miranda, Brooke Wilberger are a couple) AND the media has a problem with "MISINFORMING" the public with some of their information....

I see what you are saying with the current investigation...... ;)

[Liz]

Husband Said Lisa Stebic Left To Work Out; High School Gym Didn't See Her

~snipped~

But workers at the high school gym say they never saw her that evening. Employee Pete Quimby said that was unusual for Lisa, who typically visited the gym three or four times a week and stayed from about 6 p.m. until closing time at 8:30 p.m.

The gym gave her a place to spend evenings away from Craig, whom she was in the process of divorcing.

~snipped~

Tuesday Morning

That day, May 1, was Craig's last day at his contracting job as a pipefitter at Dial Corporation in Montgomery. A five-year employee of Freeport-based Mechanical, Inc., it was not unusual for him to have several weeks in between jobs.

He has not returned to work since, mostly remaining at home and monitoring the children's exposure to media coverage, relatives say.

Brian Helm, president of Mechanical, Inc., said Craig is an employee in good standing and has never come under any sort of disciplinary action.

"He's a good worker," Helm said.

Craig's immediate supervisor and co-workers would not comment about Craig.


http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_138094329.html


How convenient for Craig! That the day after his wife went missing just happened to be his last day of his contract! Quite the coincidence, no?
:rolleyes:

That seems to be working out perfectly for him. Being able to be home to take the kids to school and to shield them from media, I'd say!

I'm wondering if his coworkers didn't hear the same admonishments in their upbringing as me --- if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all??

[closeobserver]

I think this is the headline, a snippet and the link to today's Post Chronicle article closeobserver quoted above:

Lisa Stebic Case: Updates Point To Non-Suspect, 'Abusive' Husband

Lisa Stebic Case - Lisa Stebic, a wife and mother of two from Plainfield, tried to have her "verbally abusive" husband Craig Stebic evicted the same day she went missing. Craig, who is not a suspect, seems to have more than one sign pointing the finger at him, and while he may or may not have participated in his wife's disappearance, it's certainly worth considering.

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_21281483.shtml


I agree, Closeobserver, it seems like a no-brainer to just ask Zach if his mom picked him up from school on Monday. But, maybe police haven't had the opportunity to do that. I could be mistaken but I think IF they question the children without Craig's permission, I think any info (and evidence obtained thru that info), would very likely be thrown out in a court of law.

Then there's always the possibility police may know more (maybe even a lot more) than what they are publicizing. Let's hope they do!

As far as waiting so long for a search warrant, the police must first have adequate "probable cause" to convince a judge or magistrate to issue the SW.

Bare in mind that age old document, known as the U.S. Constitution, must be upheld; which I think is a good thing. :)

I'm a big fan of the Constitution. But as far as I know, when they got the search warrant, there was little or no new evidence than there was a week prior. The information about the eviction notice was reported a few days after Lisa turned up missing. Also, much prior to th SW, they already searched the Michigan cottage. It still seems to me he should have been considered a person of interest a long time ago. Technically, the police still don't consider him a person of interest if you listen to the reports.

It's my belief that we need to look closer at the victims rights. That's just my soap-box.

[Actspeaklouder]

In the current report where it says it's unconfirmed if Lisa picked up Zach the original reports stated the children's account of when they last saw Lisa agreed with what Craig had told LE. It was after that Craig cut off the communication with the children to LE.
Same with the report still saying they went to Walgreen's when it was posted to be Jewels, further away and across the highway.
What's new is the info of his employment as a pipefitter with Mechanical, Inc. and he was only placed at Dial Corp. and Tuesday was his last scheduled day there. There were conflicting reports originally stating he was a mechanic and pipefitter. One poster whose husband works for the same union stated that they move around to different locations.
Seems to me if LE went to the cabin to search right away, as reported then LE has suspected him from the beginning. I don't know why they waited on the warrants. They may now be talking to Mechanical, Inc. backtracking job locations and areas he's traveled including Dial Corp.

It is true that the children gave the same account as their father did Strach however, my first thought was that Craig convinced them that their mother could go to jail for "abandoning them" and he would be jailed for "negligence" by allowing his children to bike, alone, around a dangerous traffic situation. Kinda like "we've got to stick together as a family, or else" sorta thing. This thought was reinforced after his refusal to take a polygraph and refused LE access to their children.

As to the SW, I'm pretty confident that LE obtained it as soon as the D.A. decided it had enough probable cause,to approve it.

MO, LE is keeping a tight lid on this case, so as not to give Craig any heads up as to where their investigation is leading; albeit Craig has got to be reeeeeaaallly stooooopid if he truly believes he's not THE main suspect. No use give the abusive scumbucket time to "explain" away the evidence they have against him. ;)

Keep holding those cards real close to your chest LE!! :woohoo:

[strach304]

You have a good point ASL. I know something like that is possible but I often stay away from the obvious in the beginning because I always assume too early on that they wouldn't be that stupid. I'm usually proven wrong though.

[Bobbisangel]

In a lot of case LE says the husband isn't a person of interest or a suspect. Later you learn that they had their eyes on the husband all along. Like the other poster said...they want to keep the husband in the dark about their thoughts. The husband is more likely to slip up if he thinks LE isn't looking at him. I would bet money that LE has their eye on this husband. There is just to much that points to him. There is probably evidence that is sitting at the lab waiting to be tested too. I hope they found something in the trunk of their car.

I just wonder if Craig found out about the court papers to evict him. If he did I'll bet that was what brought everything to a head. She wanted the kids, support, Spousal support, etc and then she wanted him out of the house. I'll bet he flew into a absolute rage if she mentioned that to him. He didn't plan on giving her anything and he sure wouldn't have allowed her to kick him out of HIS house. I wonder if Lisa's family really believe that he wouldn't have hurt her? If they do then they are in deep denial.

[closeobserver]

I just wonder if Craig found out about the court papers to evict him.

There are only two people that will know for sure, and one of them is probably dead.

[JBean]

I am Illinois and the local news just reported that an unamed source from LE has told a media source that a tarp that tested positive for Lisa's blood was found in the back of her dh's truck.
They will neither confirm or deny.But it looks from the news as though this may be true IMO.
I do not know if this informations has been posted, so i will catch up and delete if this has been reported.

This is from a newscast. I cannot support it any way except that this is what they reported on the news.

[Taximom]

I am Illinois and the local news just reported that an unamed source from LE has told the media that a tarp that tested positive for Lisa's blood was found in the back of her dh's truck.
They will neither confirm or deny.But it looks from the news as though this may be true IMO.
I do not know if this informations has been posted, so i will catch up and delete if this has been reported.

Oops, Craig. Forgot to put the gasoline on the tarp, ala Scott Peterson?

[JBean]

Oops, Craig. Forgot to put the gasoline on the tarp, ala Scott Peterson?
Lord, I guess.
I am looking for more info.

[Taximom]

Thanks for the info, JBean. I bet it's true too.

I hate weekends as far as news goes.....

[JBean]

Thanks for the info, JBean. I bet it's true too.

I hate weekends as far as news goes.....
I am surprised that it was on the local CBS2 Chicago news and they said they were working with the Naperville Sun, yet neither site has this info.

[philamena]

I am Illinois and the local news just reported that an unamed source from LE has told a media source that a tarp that tested positive for Lisa's blood was found in the back of her dh's truck.
They will neither confirm or deny.But it looks from the news as though this may be true IMO.
I do not know if this informations has been posted, so i will catch up and delete if this has been reported.

This is from a newscast. I cannot support it any way except that this is what they reported on the news.
Oh man! I'd say LE is closer to making an arrest. He won't be able to deny blood on a tarp in his truck.

[Taximom]

I imagine it's just interns working the weekend shift!

Should be interesting to see if any of the other members here know about what you heard.

Some of the interesting local cases here get hardly any news coverage and then a few months later it's a DATELINE episode. Go figure.

[JBean]

I'll keep checking the local news and see if I hear anything.

[philamena]

I've googled the news sites also and have found nothing. Maybe this latest news will be in the Sunday addition of the newspapers.

[JBean]

Stebic Blood Found In Husband's Vehicle

Authorities Acknowledge Lisa Stebic Might Be Victim of Foul Play


CBS) Plainfield, Ill. There's a new lead in the disappearance of Lisa Stebic; it comes as friends and families mark the missing woman's birthday.

CBS 2's Northwest Indiana Bureau Chief Pamela Jones reports on what detectives found in Plainfield.

The Naperville Sun is quoting an unnamed police source saying police found a tarp in Craig Stebic's truck which has tested positive for his wife Lisa Stebic's blood.

more:

The Naperville Sun is reporting that a tarp investigators confiscated from Stebic's home as evidence has tested positive for Lisa Stebic's blood and that evidence sparked a judge to approve a search warrant on the home executed Monday.

"It's extremely painful and difficult," said Mark Greenberg Lisa Stebic's cousin. We've been contacting and discussing what's been going on with police. We've asked them to tell as much as they can to us without jeopardizing the investigation. This is news to us."

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_139213821.html

[philamena]

muuuuuuu What I feared, but felt as true, is most likely correct. The dh didn't want to loose her or the kids or he didn't want to pay child support.:sick:

[JBean]

muuuuuuu What I feared, but felt as true, is most likely correct. The dh didn't want to loose her or the kids or he didn't want to pay child support.:sick:
I am anxious to see if it is confirmed. A bloody tarp would be conclusive and these cases need "conclusive" to get convictions.

[philamena]

Jbean,
Isn't it odd that another missing wife's blood is on a tarp? Wasn't there some speculation that Laci P.'s blood may have been on her husbands tarp?

[JBean]

Jbean,
Isn't it odd that another missing wife's blood is on a tarp? Wasn't there some speculation that Laci P.'s blood may have been on her husbands tarp?
IMO, it is just one of the things that can contain a dead body, especially a bloody one . I think tarps are standard equipment.
As Taximom refernced, the tarp with Laci was cleaned with gasoline, IIRC.

[strach304]

Thanks JBean :)

I was afraid they wouldn't get forensics or be able to find her if Craig did kill her. I thought he may have strangled her when he sent the kids out but if blood is correct I wonder how he killed her? How much blood? When did LE confiscate the tarp? The first time he allowed the search?

Someone who says they know Lisa and Craig posted on ctv saying Lisa also was the outdoor type where she and Craig took the kids fishing, camping, etc. so I thinkhe'll say that's how it got there. I don't think he shot her because there are a lot of houses in close proximity.

[Liz]

Hi JBean~ Thank you for reporting live from Chicago with the up to the minute news on this case! :)

Stay safe!

[FactsareFacts]

This latest development isn't looking very good for Lisa's safe return home. Very very sad.

[JBean]

Thanks JBean :)

I was afraid they wouldn't get forensics or be able to find her if Craig did kill her. I thought he may have strangled her when he sent the kids out but if blood is correct I wonder how he killed her? How much blood? When did LE confiscate the tarp? The first time he allowed the search?

Someone who says they know Lisa and Craig posted on ctv saying Lisa also was the outdoor type where she and Craig took the kids fishing, camping, etc. so I thinkhe'll say that's how it got there. I don't think he shot her because there are a lot of houses in close proximity.At this point the blood stained tarp has not been officially confirmed. I hope that it is, because I would really like iron clad evidence to condemn this dude if he did it. I will watch the morning news and update what I hear.

[JBean]

Hi JBean~ Thank you for reporting live from Chicago with the up to the minute news on this case! :)

Stay safe!
Hi Liz. I just happen to be visiting here and so, it is the top news story.
I leave tomorrow...so I can only watch tomorrow and see what becomes of this possible lead. Bloody tarp would be very helpful.

On another note..a 3 yo boy was reported missing near Lake Michigan at the top of the newscast. by the time the news was over, they had located him!

[JBean]

This latest development isn't looking very good for Lisa's safe return home. Very very sad.Yep it is. You can really feel the pain of this family.

[rd_jfc]

I feel that Lisa did not know in advance that her ex's project would be over May 1 and he could be home for a few weeks, and as soon as she found out worked up the filing. There was no way she could be safe at home with him there all the time. That I believe explains the timing of sending the paperwork to her lawyer the day she disappeared, April 30.

From all available information, the day was normal other than that. Lisa left work, dropped by a sub shop where she was a weekly regular to pick up a sandwich, and would normally from there pick up her son at 3:30 from the elementary school.

The ex arrived home as normal around 5:40. It appears to me that when Lisa did leave the house at 4:00 as reported by neighbors, it was with the kids after they got home from school to go to the counseling for them and herself, or to see friends with them, as has been reported.

When she went to the gym, she was said to be there from about 6 to closing at 8:30, about three or four nights a week. This would be waiting with the kids till the ex got home, then leaving for the gym.

On Monday, there is the issue of timing when the ex got home. He obviously sent the kids away to a store that Lisa would never have allowed to get them out of the way, but he would have to do this without Lisa knowing and before Lisa could leave. My guess is he went inside, checked that she was in her bedroom or something, then gathered the kids and sent them on their way.

I see no possibility of him being able to find out she sent the paperwork off that day after coming home from work. She would virtually have to announce it to him when he walked in the door. Even if they were barely speaking about domestic requirements, she wouldn't do that.

I also think that Monday, April 30, was in a way a last chance for him to do this while being in a somewhat normal situation. The next day would be the last day to go to work for awhile. Were she to disappear even one day later, he would be at home without even having the appearance of going to work.

That would be very suspicious for her to disappear with him being at home not working. So Monday evening was the last chance.

I'm sure he strangled her, wrapped her in something, and hid her, to take her later that night and dump her body. Then no doubt he was in the backyard when the children got home, and their mother would be gone as normal for the evening. There would be no alarm from them.

I do see the last day of the job he was on of May 1 as being the catalyst for both her filing for his eviction and his decision to end her life. If not directly knowing about her preparing paperwork to file, he probably sensed it coming. But I do think he thought he stopped her in time.

Reviewing the details of Lisa's disappearance sadly brings to mind Chandra Levy's disappearance. The dates of April 30, an evening at the gym, and disappearance on May 1 are sadly the same.

Only Chandra did make it to the gym, and Lisa didn't.

rd

[Liz]

Yep it is. You can really feel the pain of this family.

God bless 'em --- they've done a tremendous job at getting Lisa's name and face out there in the national media.

Appreciate you keeping us posted, JBean. :)

[JBean]

God bless 'em --- they've done a tremendous job at getting Lisa's name and face out there in the national media.

Appreciate you keeping us posted, JBean. :)
No problem. i wil keep my ears open for any info on the bloody tarp.

[rd_jfc]

JBean quoted:
The Naperville Sun is quoting an unnamed police source saying police found a tarp in Craig Stebic's truck which has tested positive for his wife Lisa Stebic's blood.

I was wrong about not finding any blood on whatever Lisa was wrapped with. Having that in the house is very puzzling to me, but he must have not thought anything was on it.

This is great news for justice for Lisa, bad news for Lisa's loved ones.

rd

[strach304]

Thanks again JBean :)

RD_JFC, that is an excellent point. I hadn't looked at the job ending aspect which would make it premeditated imo. I did think the petition for eviction was the catalyst if he knew about it and I think he did. Hopefully if it was rushed he made a lot of mistakes that left plenty of evidence.

[Liz]

Thanks, JBean.

rd - That's an eerie coincidence about Chandra's and Lisa's date if disappearance matching. :(

[JBean]

I just noticed on theCBS website article:

>>Read more about the investigation in sunday's Naperville Sun<<

Hopefully there will be more confirming info on the bloody tarp in tomorrows paper.

[strach304]

Wonder what Craig's thinking right about now?:rolleyes:

[JBean]

Wonder what Craig's thinking right about now?:rolleyes:
oops.

[WindChime]

What has confused me regarding him being a pipe fitter is I have a friends husband in NW indiana who is a iron pipe fitter and is in the union and when one job ends they go to their local union hall and they get them another job at another place where they are needed they don't have one permit job they go to different plants.

[Lanie]

It would be nice to have accurate info to go by. Did the kids go to Walgreens or Jewels? Did Lisa normally leave at 4, or at 6? Going by the info that seems the most logical to me, I still don't think it was planned. If Lisa was at the gym by 6, it seems she would have to leave by 5:55, which doesn't leave much of a window for Craig to get the kids off by themselves and send them off somewhere Lisa would not approve of.
I see it this way. Craig comes home from work. The kids are watching tv or doing homework, maybe even outside. Lisa is getting changed into her workout clothes in the bedroom. Craig walks in on her, she tells him not to come in while she is changing clothes, he says he'll walk in any damn time he pleases, it is his house. Then Lisa pops off with "Not for long." and the fight starts. She tells him it's a good thing he is going to have time off, because he will need it to move after the court kicks his a$$ out of the house, and Craig sees red. He backhands her, and then he holds her down and strangles or suffocates her. (One thing wrong with my theory is she seems to have been working out a lot, which would imply she could put up a fight.) After Craig kills Lisa, he realizes what he has done, and now he has to cover it up. First thing is to get rid of the kids, and then clean up whatever and load the body in the car/truck. All of the preceding is just my humble opinion.

[strach304]

Windchime, the way they recently reported his employment I took it to mean he works for a private contracting company that sends him to jobs wherever he is needed and for however long. Many people have been posting about pipefitters being union but I haven't seen anything reported that Craig was union.

[rd_jfc]

Yes, in a way, JBean, and in a way, I think will be the extent of the leak for this weekend. It's the least that can come out and shake things up. And I certainly hope the silent ex is shook up.

It really is eerie, Liz. I didn't notice how eerie until I reviewed the info tonight and saw the gym manager say she didn't make it there that evening, April 30, and saw she was reported missing May 1.

Very eerie.

rd

[strach304]

Lanie it could've happened that way especially if he suffocated her. No noise or mess. However, I wouldn't rule out premeditation in this case because he's made threats saying she would disappear and she did.

[WindChime]

Thank you starch for that information.

[txsvicki]

Has it ever been confirmed that the kids saw their mom right before going to get candy or how long it had been since they had seen her in the house? If she was alive when they left, that would be even more evidence for premeditation insteand of manslaughter during an argument.

[Schmerty_Jones]

Yeah! Even a 10year old could figure that the tight- wad Dad was acting out of character to give $$ for candy & to tell them to go somewhere their mom would never allow. They really have to get a counsellor to question the kids gently. I'm sure the older kid at least knows something isn't right!:waitasec:

[Liz]

Has it ever been confirmed that the kids saw their mom right before going to get candy or how long it had been since they had seen her in the house? If she was alive when they left, that would be even more evidence for premeditation insteand of manslaughter during an argument.


There have been conflicting reports, vicki. Some people may have their minds made up that the children did see her after school and some may feel certain they didn't.

AFAIC, it's still up in the air. As is whether the kids went to Jewel or Walgreens for candy.

[Liz]

Who is Lisa Stebic?

May 19, 2007

PLAINFIELD -- At the time of her disappearance, Lisa Stebic loved butterflies because it symbolized her transformation.

In the middle of a divorce, Stebic started a fitness regimen, lost weight and looked forward to a life as a single mom, family and friends say.

much more:
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/392743,4_1_JO19_MISSING_S1.article


Nice article about Lisa, published yesterday, on her 38th birthday.

[Bobbisangel]

Snipped...



The boyfriend? I haven't read anything to suggest there was a boyfriend, have you? Did I miss something?:confused:


I have never heard of a boyfriend either. I don't think there was anyone else involved in this divorce.

I don't think that their problems just began when Lisa decided that she wanted a divorce. In order to want a divorce there has to be some problems in the marriage. Maybe the husband didn't think they had any problems...especially if he was always in control of everything and everyone.

[JBean]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/393956,6_1_NA20_MISSING_S2.article

DNA test matches blood found on tarp with Lisa's
Police: She might not have voluntarily disappeared


May 20, 2007
staff report

Missing Plainfield woman Lisa Stebic's blood was found on a tarp recovered from husband Craig's vehicle, an unnamed police source said.
A DNA test determined that the blood on the tarp was Lisa's, and authorities used that information to convince a judge to issue a search warrant that was executed at the Stebic's Plainfield home late Monday night. Charles Pelkie, spokesman for Will County State's Attorney James Glasgow, would neither confirm nor deny the report

[rayray]

I just read this Jelly.. How sad for those kids.

[SeriouslySearching]

If he killed her while the kids were gone and then dumped her body before they returned...how far could he actually have traveled to do so? What was the time span? Does anyone know exactly how long the kids were gone? He would have to kill her, literally pack her up, drive, dump the body, return, and then clean up any evidence (including himself) within this time frame. Doesn't this point to the body being quite near the home and wouldn't it also bring up the question of did he have help?

[FactsareFacts]

If he killed her while the kids were gone and then dumped her body before they returned...how far could he actually have traveled to do so? What was the time span? Does anyone know exactly how long the kids were gone? He would have to kill her, literally pack her up, drive, dump the body, return, and then clean up any evidence (including himself) within this time frame. Doesn't this point to the body being quite near the home and wouldn't it also bring up the question of did he have help?


I doubt he got rid of her body during the time the kids were gone. I think he killed her and hid her body before the kids came back.

[gidget641]

I doubt he got rid of her body during the time the kids were gone. I think he killed her and hid her body before the kids came back.

This is exactly what I was thinking. He could have hid the body until the kids went to sleep. Then he could have been gone for god knows how long dumping her body.

[richandfamous]

oops.

But he was cryin so good at the funeral..lettin the tears drop right onto his kids head.
I suspect he will confess or run today. jmo

OT: JBean, I love your quote! "Illegitimi Non Carborundum." "Don't let the bastards grind you down". According to Safire's New Political Dictionary

[Lanie]

In at least one of the articles, it was reported Lisa met some guy at the Zegars' house and they dated a few times. I just used the term 'boyfriend' in the interest of brevity. I also wasn't clear on something else I said. I do believe there were problems before Lisa said she wanted a divorce, I just don't believe the verbal, emotional, and/or mental abuse was nearly as rampant as it became afterwards. What I have read seems to insinuate, at least to me, most if not all of what she said to her friends took place after she said she wanted a divorce. In my mind, that also fits in with her leaving most of the time as soon as Craig got home, and leaving the kids there. I feel if this behavior had been long term, she would not have been so willing to leave the kids alone with him so much.
This is all just my opinion.

[FactsareFacts]

I am sure you're right Lanie as it seems Craig was controlling. Men like him don't like when when their wives make decisions for themselves. Looks like Lisa was planning a life without him and he wasn't having any of it!

[JBean]

OT: JBean, I love your quote! "Illegitimi Non Carborundum." "Don't let the bastards grind you down". According to Safire's New Political Dictionary
Those are words to live by!
sorry about the OT all..but that was something my dad instilled in all of us kids from a very young age.
We buried my dad in a tie that had that on it and I live by that rule every day of my life. Each of my 7 brothers and sisters has that memorialized somewhere in their life and/or home.

[Utopia]

Those are words to live by!
sorry about the OT all..but that was something my dad instilled in all of us kids from a very young age.
We buried my dad in a tie that had that on it and I live by that rule every day of my life. Each of my 7 brothers and sisters has that memorialized somewhere in their life and/or home.

Actually JBean & R&F, it isn't all that off topic. Lisa was obviously attempting to live by this wise tenet - unfortunately for her it appears she was "grinded down" (or snuffed out) in spite of her efforts.

Your father was a wise man JB, as is mine. His proverb would be "don't sweat the small stuff" (hmmm, how do you say that in Latin?:waitasec:). Both of these lessons come through loud and clear as we read the forums in Websleuths all the time.

Here's to wise and loving fathers.:clap: Too bad everyone isn't as fortunate as we are.

[SewingDeb]

How did they get a search warrant based on something found in a truck that was not impounded until the search warrant was issued? I'm confused.

Could this just be a leak to put pressure on the husband to make him talk?

[rd_jfc]

It's a leak that they're going to nail him, sooner or later.

rd

[closeobserver]

But he was cryin so good at the funeral..lettin the tears drop right onto his kids head.
I suspect he will confess or run today. jmo

OT: JBean, I love your quote! "Illegitimi Non Carborundum." "Don't let the bastards grind you down". According to Safire's New Political Dictionary

I'm sure you mean the vigil as there hasn't been a funeral. I didn't see any actual tears at the vigil, just a lot of wimpering and sniffling.

It would be nice if he confessed. As long as he doesn't do anything to the kids.

[closeobserver]

How did they get a search warrant based on something found in a truck that was not impounded until the search warrant was issued? I'm confused.

Could this just be a leak to put pressure on the husband to make him talk?
It's my understanding that they found it in the cursory search when he let them in right after she turned up missing...back when he was acting like he was cooperating. It's not clear if they found it in the house or the truck, but it was definitely found well prior to the search warrant.

[Seahorseladydi]

CS was NOT at that vigil Saturday night..... he was at his house with the children!

THAT is SO WRONG! those kids should have been there with the family for the vigil....

CS is making himself LOOK guilty! SHESH.....didn't he learn anything with SP or MH? (Sarcasim intended.sorry)

[Cockroach]

The vigil was outside her home yesterday. I'm sure the kids saw it, he had the front door open. I live in the area and drive by the house on occasion. The cars were still gone this morning.

[richandfamous]

I'm sure you mean the vigil as there hasn't been a funeral. I didn't see any actual tears at the vigil, just a lot of wimpering and sniffling.

It would be nice if he confessed. As long as he doesn't do anything to the kids.

yes, you are right..vigil...sorry. he was bending over his kids wiping his eyes, however I was assuming there were tears.

[richandfamous]

CS was NOT at that vigil Saturday night..... he was at his house with the children!

THAT is SO WRONG! those kids should have been there with the family for the vigil....

CS is making himself LOOK guilty! SHESH.....didn't he learn anything with SP or MH? (Sarcasim intended.sorry)


ok, I keep seeing this clip of him on the news...I was just assuming it was the vigil...whatever it was, he looked as if he was cryin.

Are the kids in his custody right now??? My my, that is foolish. If he did something to his wife, he is unstable and could hurt the children too!!!

[closeobserver]

ok, I keep seeing this clip of him on the news...I was just assuming it was the vigil...whatever it was, he looked as if he was cryin.

Are the kids in his custody right now??? My my, that is foolish. If he did something to his wife, he is unstable and could hurt the children too!!!

Just to clarify, there have been two vigils at the gazeebo near his house. The pics you have seen of him "attempting" to cry were from the first one. He was not at the second one (last night). Not that I'm trying to defend him, but it was probably good he wasn't there. The other day at a gas station, someone yelled at him, "What did you do with the body" while he had his kids with him in the car.

[Annie]

I had so hoped she would be found alive. I really thought he had done something to her though. Now that her blood has been found on a tarp in his truck, I fear the worst has really happened.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274095,00.html

[Utopia]

The vigil was outside her home yesterday. I'm sure the kids saw it, he had the front door open. I live in the area and drive by the house on occasion. The cars were still gone this morning.

WELCOME Cockroach on your first post! (why do I feel like I'm insulting you with that handle?:o)

Its good to have another local on board. What is your take on Jewel vs. Walgreen? From what I have read it sounds like the children went to Jewel. How long would it take to ride their bikes there and back?

[closeobserver]

WELCOME Cockroach on your first post! (why do I feel like I'm insulting you with that handle?:o)

Its good to have another local on board. What is your take on Jewel vs. Walgreen? From what I have read it sounds like the children went to Jewel. How long would it take to ride their bikes there and back?

Riding to Walgreens is about 10 minutes each way. Riding to Jewel would be about 20-25 minutes each way, but it is a dangerous route. You have to cross an extremely busy intersection, plus there is an area on a VERY busy 135th street, where you have to cross train tracks and there is no sidewalk in that area.

[richandfamous]

Just to clarify, there have been two vigils at the gazeebo near his house. The pics you have seen of him "attempting" to cry were from the first one. He was not at the second one (last night). Not that I'm trying to defend him, but it was probably good he wasn't there. The other day at a gas station, someone yelled at him, "What did you do with the body" while he had his kids with him in the car.

Thanks closeobserver...I thought I was seeing things again. lol

[Utopia]

Riding to Walgreens is about 10 minutes each way. Riding to Jewel would be about 20-25 minutes each way, but it is a dangerous route. You have to cross an extremely busy intersection, plus there is an area on a VERY busy 135th street, where you have to cross train tracks and there is no sidewalk in that area.

Thanks closeobserver. Now that you mention it, I think you provided this info before which is why I thought they had gone to Jewel (was it you that indicated a neighbour saw them coming back with Jewel bags?). Some still think this is up in the air though, which is why I asked about it again.

[Utopia]

Snipped...

The other day at a gas station, someone yelled at him, "What did you do with the body" while he had his kids with him in the car.

Unbelievable. How can people be so insensitive when its obvious those children are old enough to understand? My heart goes out to them.

[Cockroach]

WELCOME Cockroach on your first post! (why do I feel like I'm insulting you with that handle?:o)

Its good to have another local on board. What is your take on Jewel vs. Walgreen? From what I have read it sounds like the children went to Jewel. How long would it take to ride their bikes there and back?


Thanks Utopia. I'm not sure what to make of the Jewel thing. It would be sooo dangerous for them to go there, but then again if you'd kill your wife you are not thinking rationally. Jewel would have certainly given him the time he needed.

[closeobserver]

Thanks closeobserver. Now that you mention it, I think you provided this info before which is why I thought they had gone to Jewel (was it you that indicated a neighbour saw them coming back with Jewel bags?). Some still think this is up in the air though, which is why I asked about it again.
Yes, I had heard that someone saw them come home with Jewel bags, but I keep hearing different reports. If he hid the body and dumped it later after the kids went to sleep, as many people speculate, it doesn't really matter, other than for the fact that if he sent them to Jewel, he had no concern for their safety. (But why should that surprise anyone.)

[rd_jfc]

It is also clear that he knew Lisa, and presumably a court deciding on custody issues between them, would ever know about it.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

The theory of him killing her earlier and waiting until night to dump the body makes sense, but when would he have killed her? While the children were home or after he sent them out for candy? If it is the latter...then it would make the case for premeditation.

I still don't understand why he isn't under arrest already! A tarp with her blood is found in his vehicle and they are still allowing him to be around the children?! I pray they don't wait too long and he decides to take out the entire family instead of face charges. LE should realize he is a ticking time bomb and the children could become his next victims. Where are child protective services and why aren't they acting on this information? Even if it isn't enough to arrest him (which I can't imagine), it certainly is enough to have her children removed from his care.

[j2mirish]

The theory of him killing her earlier and waiting until night to dump the body makes sense, but when would he have killed her? While the children were home or after he sent them out for candy? If it is the latter...then it would make the case for premediation.

I still don't understand why he isn't under arrest already! A tarp with her blood is found in his vehicle and they are still allowing him to be around the children?! I pray they don't wait too long and he decides to take out the entire family instead of face charges. LE should realize he is a ticking time bomb and the children could become his next victims. Where are child protective services and why aren't they acting on this information? Even if it isn't enough to arrest him (which I can't imagine), it certainly is enough to have her children removed from his care.

on what charges? dont get me wrong - I think he is guilty- but what law would allow the children to be taken from him at this point?

[Cockroach]

on what charges? dont get me wrong - I think he is guilty- but what law would allow the children to be taken from him at this point?

I agree. He is guilty as sin, but with no hard evidence, there is nothing LE can do. Hopefully, the realitives can find out something from the children.

[closeobserver]

Kind of creepy. It's after 10 PM on a school night and CS is not home with his kids. They've been gone all day. I told my wife today I hope they don't disappear now that the blood has been found. Where is he? Pray for the kids.

Maybe he's just keeping them home from school tomorrow and has them out late.

[Schmerty_Jones]

Kind of creepy. It's after 10 PM on a school night and CS is not home with his kids. They've been gone all day. I told my wife today I hope they don't disappear now that the blood has been found. Where is he? Pray for the kids.

Maybe he's just keeping them home from school tomorrow and has them out late.

I'm getting a bad feeling about this. They should have had a contingency plan for the kids before this leak came out. Please keep us posted &contact someone if you are really concerned. Stay safe:(

[SeriouslySearching]

on what charges? dont get me wrong - I think he is guilty- but what law would allow the children to be taken from him at this point?

Suspicion of murder maybe? The police obviously have connected the tarp with her and with him (his truck). Kids have been removed from a home for far less. If there was even a suspicion of child abuse...they would take the kids and ask questions later. So suspicion of murder carries less weight with the court? Besides, those children are old enough to know what is going on and decide to leave on their own...given the opportunity to do so from social services or LE.

:furious: Did the police not take into consideration the children before this became public? Good question! I would say they need to find anything to arrest him and get the kids away from this man! This situation could turn even more horribly wrong in a heartbeat.

[SewingDeb]

It's my understanding that they found it in the cursory search when he let them in right after she turned up missing...back when he was acting like he was cooperating. It's not clear if they found it in the house or the truck, but it was definitely found well prior to the search warrant.

Thank you Closeobserver. I guess they took samples of the blood for DNA testing at that time.

The article I read clearly said it was found in the truck but reporters are known to be wrong from time to time.

[strach304]

I wonder if there's a way for CPS to use Lisa's unfiled petition as grounds to investigate the children's well being? I know Craig isn't allowing LE to speak with them but wouldn't he have to cooperate with that kind of investigation? To assure the children are alright?

[txsvicki]

Maybe Lisa didn't talk about it much to friends and may not have suffered physical abuse, but my first impression was that her marriage must have been horrible. Lisa was right, because if her blood was found on a tarp if his truck, then he must have murdered the woman and been awful to live with. Lisa had two children, a nice home, and couldn't have made much money working as a school cafeteria worker. She must have been desperate to get away from this man.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if there's a way for CPS to use Lisa's unfiled petition as grounds to investigate the children's well being? I know Craig isn't allowing LE to speak with them but wouldn't he have to cooperate with that kind of investigation? To assure the children are alright?

Why not charge him with something they have found just to get him picked up and the kids away from him? I am sure in everything they have already...there is something there. They can bring murder charges against him later.

I doubt they can use unfiled petition, but her attorney should be seriously looking into it. There must be something someone can do!

[strach304]

SS, I think they had something like that in mind when they took his guns away right away. That was early on and he voluntarily gave them to LE. I don't see how they are gonna just charge him unless he has broken the law. If they had found a vast amount of Lisa's blood anywhere in the house or vehicle I believe he'd be under arrest. It would have to be enough blood to show that she couldn't have lived though without other evidence of a homicide.

Lisa did state verbal abuse in her petition and told of threats to friends. LE must have the records from the Domestic Violence Center she was going to. Clearly Lisa felt that Craig's behavior was damaging to the children since she gave that as a reason for filing for an eviction. Anyone can call CPS and say they are worried about the children's welfare. Enough calls will prompt them to go do a wellness check or something at least. I spoke with a Sheriff once about a child sex offender that had a daughter same age as his victim living with him. They checked to make sure it wasn't part of his probation and then proceeded to tell me what I could do to get him out of my neighborhood. Sometimes LE can't do it but know how it can be done. If you live in the area start making some phone calls to voice your concerns. I too have concerns simply because you do see them turn on the children, kill themselves, etc.

Looking at him I'm guessing there is some alcohol or drug abuse background. Good area to research imo.

[SeriouslySearching]

You do have some valid points. I don't live in the area, but hopefully someone will champion the cause for these children and come up with something. The attention needs to be put more on them at the moment while he is "shielding" them from the media! Hopefully, he is already under 24 hour scrutiny and LE knows where they are at all times.

[Bobbisangel]

I they really did find a tarp in his truck or where ever with Lisa's blood on it why can't they take him in for questioning and name him a suspect? I've seen it done many times before. I would think if he is named a suspect in her disappearance then something could be done about the kids. It may depend on the city they live in and on LE though because Debbie Hawk's ex is named a suspect in her disappearance and he still has two of his kids.

Hopfully LE is keeping an eye on this guy hoping that he will lead them to Lisa's body. I think the kids are probably alright with him or LE would have had someone step in if they felt the kids weren't safe. I hope so anyway.

[Liz]

Snippets from Neighbors Respond To News of Stebic Blood

(CBS) Plainfield, Ill. Blood from a missing Plainfield woman has reportedly been found in her husband's truck. CBS 2's Joanie Lum spoke with Lisa Stebic's neighbors about the new lead.

Sources told the Naperville Sun, the blood evidence convinced a judge to issue a search warrant of the Stebic's home last week.

Neighbors say they aren't sure what to think of Craig Stebic, who was in the process of divorcing Lisa when she disappeared.

"He acts like it's a normal life," said neighbor Lisa Maggio who lives next to Stebic. "He does landscaping, goes to and from work. He acts like it's normal day to day, like she's coming home tomorrow; he doesn't seem like a normal father of kids should act of a missing mother."

~snip~

The family says it won't be making any more public statements for a while.

http://cbs2chicago.com/westsuburbanbureau/local_story_140180625.html


Lisa's family has tirelessly worked for the past three weeks to get her name and face out there. I pray they get some answers soon. Sadly, things are not looking favorable for Lisa's return. :(

[Liz]

Before disappearance, Lisa Stebic was trying for a new start in life

Snippets from article dated 5/21/07:

To celebrate a new start in her life, Lisa got a butterfly tattoo on her lower back with her children's names on each side. She already had a small rose on her ankle with her daughter's name and wanted a tattoo with her son's name.

"A butterfly was her symbol right now because she was going through changes in her life," Melanie Greenberg, a family member, said.

Lisa had planned to get another tattoo with a smiley face before she disappeared April 30, a co-worker and friend, Ruby Zegar, said.


In March 2006, Lisa started working as a substitute custodian for the Plainfield School District, working nights after the children were in bed, in addition to her lunch duties. But she quit the custodial job earlier this year.

http://www.dailysouthtown.com/news/394705,211NWS9.article


At least this clears up the info about the part time substitute custodial job Lisa held, until earlier this year.

Closeobserver, I hope you can tell us if Craig ever came back home last night.

[closeobserver]

Closeobserver, I hope you can tell us if Craig ever came back home last night.

It is possible that last night was the first night he parked the blue pickup he's been driving in the garage. When I went to bed at 10:30 last night, I didn't see the truck and no lights had been on in the house all night.

This morning, there is a full row of news cameras again, and no sign of the pickup. Again, he could be parked in the garage for the first time. Hope the kids show up to school this morning!

[Utopia]

I wonder if there's a way for CPS to use Lisa's unfiled petition as grounds to investigate the children's well being? I know Craig isn't allowing LE to speak with them but wouldn't he have to cooperate with that kind of investigation? To assure the children are alright?

Good point strach, and perhaps this is in fact what has happened. Is it possible LE DID have a contingency plan before the information about the tarp was leaked and CS has already been taken in for questioning and the children are with family? That would answer why no one has been seen at the house and also why the family is saying they will not be releasing any statements for awhile.

There could be lots going on right now that we are not aware of - I predict big announcements in the next 48 hours. Let's hope so.

Utopia

[strach304]

I sure hope you are right Utopia. :)

SS, I am sorry. I was thinking you were local for some reason. I do agree though and the same discussion has come up in the Michelle Young case as well. It's kind of crazy from what I can tell from most cases like this with children. Even if they are charged they don't necessarily lose parental custody until after trial and a conviction. Innocent until guilty you know. :rolleyes:

[HesterMofet]

Unbelievable. How can people be so insensitive when its obvious those children are old enough to understand? My heart goes out to them.

My heart goes out to the children, too, but if he's guilty then he's the one who put them thrrough it, not the random yeller.

[strach304]

A local on the ctv board is saying the 6:30am news has said LE is meeting with Will County's DA today. I'll keep posting if I hear anything else about it.

ETA: I saw where someone local said the media is lined up outside, don't know if they do that everyday or they have a heads up?

[closeobserver]

CS just got home. I feel better

[j2mirish]

CS just got home. I feel better
With or without kids, do you know?

[Cockroach]

A local on the ctv board is saying the 6:30am news has said LE is meeting with Will County's DA today. I'll keep posting if I hear anything else about it.

ETA: I saw where someone local said the media is lined up outside, don't know if they do that everyday or they have a heads up?


I wonder if they took him in for questioning overnight since no lights were on?? The media are not always present. I've never seen them when I drive by. Maybe something's brewing??

[Liz]

Thanks for the reply, closeobserver. I imagine it must be nerve-wracking being such a close observer and having all those news crews and satellite trucks around.


My heart goes out to the children, too, but if he's guilty then he's the one who put them thrrough it, not the random yeller.


I sorry but I disagree (about the random yeller not being to blame). First, that's "if", and we don't know that and nobody does (except Craig). Remember CS has not even been named a "person of interest" by LE.

Regardless of whether he did or didn't, those children don't need to witness those accusatorial type of outbursts. Like Utopia said, people should be a little more sensitive, (and use some common sense) in front of those children. They've been through way more than enough already.

I can only imagine the fears that are running through their heads after hearing that remark from that irresponsbile person. Even if CS tried to reassure the kids; it's only human nature for them to wonder if he did it, and if they'll be next.

Praying for the children to be given strength and comfort. Also praying Craig will try to use some good judgement and ask a relative or friend to take the children for awhile; away from the media frenzy surrounding the Stebic's home.

[Liz]

I wonder if they took him in for questioning overnight since no lights were on?? The media are not always present. I've never seen them when I drive by. Maybe something's brewing??


Maybe so, cockroach. Or maybe he took them to his dad's house or one of the other relatives to get the kids away from the mayhem.

BTW, welcome to websleuths. :)

[Salem]

I too am glad to hear that CS went home and have the same question - where the kids with him?

I also strongly agree that the children need to go stay with a relative until the "blood on the tarp" is adequately explained one way or another. If CS did this and he thinks LE is getting close, there is no telling what he might do and the children are in a very vulnerable position.:(

So if any one local has the local LE or CPS number, I would encourage them to call and voice any concerns. I know there are so many rules to follow, but the children have got to be looked after or this could be disasterous. And if CS is not guilty, he may be insulted by any action taken by CPS/LE, but if he is a loving parent, he should also understand.

Salem

[FactsareFacts]

I hope they make a move before tomorrow when CS is back in court trying to get sole custody.

[closeobserver]

From the Chicago Sun Times May 21

Craig Stebic told WMAQ-Channel 5 on Sunday that the blood on the tarp did not belong to his wife but was deer's blood left from a hunting trip he took to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan the week before his wife disappeared.

As far as I can tell, deer season is not open in mid April. Can anyone confirm this? Who did he hunt with? Did anyone register killing a deer? Wasn't he working that week? Doesn't seem like you go to the UP for a day trip and then return in time for work.

[closeobserver]

From the Chicago Sun Times May 21

Craig Stebic told WMAQ-Channel 5 on Sunday that the blood on the tarp did not belong to his wife but was deer's blood left from a hunting trip he took to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan the week before his wife disappeared.

As far as I can tell, deer season is not open in mid April. Can anyone confirm this? Who did he hunt with? Did anyone register killing a deer? Wasn't he working that week? Doesn't seem like you go to the UP for a day trip and then return in time for work.


From the Michigan DNR website...unless I'm missing something:

Archery Deer Hunting License
It is unlawful to purchase more than one archery deer hunting license. This license entitles residents and nonresidents 10 or older to take one antlered or antlerless deer during the October 1-November 14 or December 1-January 1 open bow and arrow deer season. Exceptions: South Fox Island, Drummond Island, and DMUs 045, 122, and 135 (see Special Regulations (http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10363_10856_10905-29573--,00.html)).

Firearm Deer Hunting License
It is unlawful to purchase more than one firearm deer hunting license. Residents and nonresidents 14 or older may take a deer with at least one antler three inches or longer during the November 15-30 firearm season or during the muzzleloading season. Exceptions: South Fox Island, Drummond Island, and DMUs 045, 122, and 135 (see Special Regulations (http://www.michigan.gov/dnr/0,1607,7-153-10363_10856_10905-29573--,00.html)).

[Seahorseladydi]

lies lies lies........ he is digging himself a DEEP hole!

Thanks CO! great job on the hunting stuff....

[strach304]

Hey guys the lead investigator is supposed to be on FOX. I also have a recent link to update you.
http://www.nbc5.com/news/13356252/detail.html

[JBean]

From the Chicago Sun Times May 21

Craig Stebic told WMAQ-Channel 5 on Sunday that the blood on the tarp did not belong to his wife but was deer's blood left from a hunting trip he took to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan the week before his wife disappeared.

As far as I can tell, deer season is not open in mid April. Can anyone confirm this? Who did he hunt with? Did anyone register killing a deer? Wasn't he working that week? Doesn't seem like you go to the UP for a day trip and then return in time for work.
They can easily tell the differnce between animal blood and human blood. This won't be an issue for long. It will be resolved one way or another asap.

[closeobserver]

Does he or his hunting partner have deer meat in the freezer? Did they take the head to a taxidermist?

Just another lie to buy him more free time.

[FactsareFacts]

They can easily tell the differnce between animal blood and human blood. This won't be an issue for long. It will be resolved one way or another asap.


According to news reports they already matched the blood to Lisa's DNA.:rolleyes:

[strach304]

He's an idiot, they've searched the cabin, house, whatever in Michigan too. The reporters probably asked for a comment on the blood info and that's what he came up with. Guess he hasn't been keeping up with the news or he'd know it was Lisa's.

[Seahorseladydi]

Just read that CLTV is reporting the blood on the tarp was actually "DROPS" of blood. I would think that is more then just a little?

[englishleigh]

I would think they now have probable cause to arrest Craig, and probably have much more than just this that they are holding close to the vest. What are they waiting on?

[Seahorseladydi]

I would think they now have probable cause to arrest Craig, and probably have much more than just this that they are holding close to the vest. What are they waiting on?

I am sure they want to dot all their i's and cross all their t's........ they want this iron clad..... it maybe a few more days...... :confused:

[SandyBee]

As far as I can tell, deer season is not open in mid April. Can anyone confirm this? Who did he hunt with? Did anyone register killing a deer? Wasn't he working that week? Doesn't seem like you go to the UP for a day trip and then return in time for work.


My BIL hunts up there, and AFAIK, season is NOT open. I know he goes during the winter months. Don't really know any people that hunt in the midwest during summertime.

I think he's lying and about to get caught.

[Class-z]

They can easily tell the differnce between animal blood and human blood. This won't be an issue for long. It will be resolved one way or another asap.

I heard this morning, that it was the wives blood on the tarp and in his truck.

Was this unconfirmed?

[Rosco]

Deer season is never in the summer months.

Getting worse and worse for this man.

I feel so sorry for the kids.

Rosco

[Seahorseladydi]

I heard this morning, that it was the wives blood on the tarp and in his truck.

Was this unconfirmed?

The "source" said that it has been confirmed as the same DNA as Lisa's, remember this comes from the "source" and the cops are not saying yes or no.... just as they will not say anything about the blood..... they are keeping tight lipped with this.

[MagicRose99]

My BIL hunts up there, and AFAIK, season is NOT open. I know he goes during the winter months. Don't really know any people that hunt in the midwest during summertime.

I think he's lying and about to get caught.

Deer season is in the winter months - here is CA and NV, it starts in September. The purpose of deer season is to thin the herds (males) so that there is enough food to feed the remaining deer (does and babies).

[Rosco]

My Fox Chicago Web site -

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/myfox/

Local news regarding Lisa Stebic.

I have not read anything new News regarding the blood on a tarp.
(as of 4pm central)

Does not look very good for hubby...

Rosco

[fran]

I heard this morning, that it was the wives blood on the tarp and in his truck.

Was this unconfirmed?

I heard this first thing this a.m. on FOX news that it was DNA'd to be Lisa's blood. If they can use that information to get a SW, I would venture to say it must be true. Lisa has been missing since April 30th and the SW wasn't served for two weeks later. It only takes 48 hours to get a DNA match.

Craig's goose is cooked!:behindbar It's just a matter of time.

JMHO
fran

http://www.legacy.com/Savannah/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=88224580&PageNo=1

snip...............

A DNA test determined that the blood on the tarp was Lisa's, and authorities used that information to convince a judge to issue a search warrant that was executed at the Stebic's Plainfield home late Monday night.

[Seahorseladydi]

This is disturbing..... I just saw this on her website...

ANNOUNCEMENT: Due to continued abuse, there is a very real chance this board will be discontinued in the near future. If this board goes away, please know that it is because we are working on another solution to collect your beautiful messages of support without the aggrevation. Thank you for your understanding.

I know when the find ashley/find miranda sites were up there was ALOT of bs crap that was sent to the board.... and guest book.... these people that do this are jerks! all they are trying to do is get the word out to help find their missing loved one.....and a$$holes have to mess it up! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!

ok, done with my rant... lol

[Utopia]

Of course, that makes sense Fran. Lets hope you're right about the cooking of the goose.

And I hope the children are now with relatives.

Snipped...
"If they can use that information to get a SW, I would venture to say it must be true."

Craig's goose is cooked!:behindbar It's just a matter of time.

JMHO
fran

http://www.legacy.com/Savannah/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=88224580&PageNo=1

snip...............

A DNA test determined that the blood on the tarp was Lisa's, and authorities used that information to convince a judge to issue a search warrant that was executed at the Stebic's Plainfield home late Monday night.

[JBean]

The "source" said that it has been confirmed as the same DNA as Lisa's, remember this comes from the "source" and the cops are not saying yes or no.... just as they will not say anything about the blood..... they are keeping tight lipped with this.
This is the same understanding I have.

[fran]

I guess he wants us to believe a 'deer' has the same DNA as Lisa.:doh:

JMHO
fran

[JBean]

I guess he wants us to believe a 'deer' has the same DNA as Lisa.:doh:

JMHO
fran
The original report over the weekend said the bloody tarp report was not officially confirmed. has it been now? Thanks Fran :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess he wants us to believe a 'deer' has the same DNA as Lisa.:doh:

JMHO
fran

Well...it is beginning to appear that...in his mind...Lisa had the same standing on this earth as the animals he has hunted down and slaughtered instead of seeing her as the mother of his children to be respected and revered.

His lies are beginning to unravel. :liar:

[Seahorseladydi]

Well..... CS is REALLY getting himself in a stew now...... shesh..... my momma always told me if you TELL THE TRUTH THE FIRST TIME YOU DON'T HAVE TO REMEMBER THE LIES!!!

I guess now CS is saying to the media that the blood is "rabbit blood" on the tarp....but then he goes to say he doesn't recall owning a tarp....... and if there was any blood in his truck it would have been from a deer that he got back in Nov.....

Do you think he is reading these posts? He is changing his story again!

[SeriouslySearching]

The simple solution would be a delete button and a way to block posters for the admins to control the posts instead of shutting down such a beautiful site. All sites containing open posting should have the ability to remove offensive material. If not, they need to reconstruct it so it does.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if this means the children are still with the relative?! I would be so relieved to find out this is where they are!

"We just have to hold out hope as long as we possibly can," Greenberg told FOX News on Monday.
He said Lisa's family was "very concerned" about the couple's children, ages 10 and 12, and how they're holding up while their mother is missing. Greenberg said Craig Stebic brought the children to stay with another relative two weekends ago to take a break from the media frenzy surrounding the case.
"It's very important we try to preserve as much of a normal life as possible for these children," Greenberg said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274418,00.html

[Cubby]

I wonder if this means the children are still with the relative?! I would be so relieved to find out this is where they are!

"We just have to hold out hope as long as we possibly can," Greenberg told FOX News on Monday.
He said Lisa's family was "very concerned" about the couple's children, ages 10 and 12, and how they're holding up while their mother is missing. Greenberg said Craig Stebic brought the children to stay with another relative two weekends ago to take a break from the media frenzy surrounding the case.
"It's very important we try to preserve as much of a normal life as possible for these children," Greenberg said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274418,00.html

The children were home when the house was searched, and spent several hours in a police car, and it was said earlier within the forum, there were several kids playing in the home yesterday.

[fran]

The original report over the weekend said the bloody tarp report was not officially confirmed. has it been now? Thanks Fran :blowkiss:

Jelly, see my post 151. It worked for a judge to get a SW, so I would say that's confirmation enough. I could be wrong.:innocent:

fran

[Seahorseladydi]

Jelly, see my post 151. It worked for a judge to get a SW, so I would say that's confirmation enough. I could be wrong.:innocent:

fran


:laugh: Fran you crack me up!

I would say getting the SW for some 'deer' blood is confirmation enough too! oh wait.... it was 'rabbit', wait.... I don't own a tarp..... CS :behindbar

[JBean]

Jelly, see my post 151. It worked for a judge to get a SW, so I would say that's confirmation enough. I could be wrong.:innocent:

fran
It said that in the article over the weekend too fran. So, while I think it is true, i do not know if it is still only comig from "unamed sources" and not officially confirmed.

ETA: Post 48. I am just trying to figure out if more has come out or if it the same "leak" from Saturday.

[Liz]

I guess he wants us to believe a 'deer' has the same DNA as Lisa.:doh:

JMHO
fran


I was thinking he was speaking a half-truth ... the truth being it was the blood of his dear wife.

[Utopia]

I was thinking he was speaking a half-truth ... the truth being it was the blood of his dear wife.

Good one Liz. And what do you think of the "rabbit" story? - perhaps a euphemism for his "honey bunny":rolleyes:

[Cockroach]

I drove by the house about an hour ago. All doors closed and lights off. There are still three news crews camped across the street with cameras pointed at the house. I hope the kids don't have to see this.

[Utopia]

I drove by the house about an hour ago. All doors closed and lights off. There are still three news crews camped across the street with cameras pointed at the house. I hope the kids don't have to see this.

Cockroach, when you say you hope the kids don't have to see "this", do you mean the news cameras or are you referring to something you think might happen shortly (i.e. an arrest)? It sure seems like the media is expecting something any moment, maybe they have info we don't.

It sounds like the kids are probably elsewhere - let's hope so.

[Cockroach]

Cockroach, when you say you hope the kids don't have to see "this", do you mean the news cameras or are you referring to something you think might happen shortly (i.e. an arrest)? It sure seems like the media is expecting something any moment, maybe they have info we don't.

It sounds like the kids are probably elsewhere - let's hope so.

Utopia I meant the camera crews. They look a little intimidating with all the equipment. Maybe they DO know something we don't. I have a feeling something is about to happen.:twocents:

[fran]

It said that in the article over the weekend too fran. So, while I think it is true, i do not know if it is still only comig from "unamed sources" and not officially confirmed.

ETA: Post 48. I am just trying to figure out if more has come out or if it the same "leak" from Saturday.

ok JBean, I gotcha............ehh.......I think it's the same leak and I think it's already been tested. LE isn't saying anything but someone is. Believe me, when an item goes to the lab, there's a LOT of people that know it's there and know the results.

Some dummy with a big mouth 'spilled the beans' to a reporter. They better hope no one finds out their the source or they will be history in that lab and need to look for another line of work. Secrecy in crime labs is imparitive.

JMHO
fran

PS.........from Liz "I was thinking he was speaking a half-truth ... the truth being it was the blood of his dear wife.":D

[closeobserver]

Utopia I meant the camera crews. They look a little intimidating with all the equipment. Maybe they DO know something we don't. I have a feeling something is about to happen.:twocents:

The kids are used to the camera crews by now. It has been three weeks of nearly constant coverage. Only last Wednesday and Thursday was it "light" on coverage.

[JBean]

ok JBean, I gotcha............ehh.......I think it's the same leak and I think it's already been tested. LE isn't saying anything but someone is. Believe me, when an item goes to the lab, there's a LOT of people that know it's there and know the results.

Some dummy with a big mouth 'spilled