Could this be Rose? Discussion on possible matches.

[christine2448]

We have had a few possible matches, rule outs, and I'm sure there will be more. We should post here anyone that we have discussed, ruled out, or still needs work. We can branch out if we find one that needs more work and their own thread....yes?

[christine2448]

03-26-2006, 09:47 PM
Shadow205


A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.

[christine2448]

03-27-2006, 08:40 AM
Shadow205
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow205
A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.
If you clink on the link http://www.western-project.com/svenson/sve_img.html it will bring up this picture. I can see some likeness with Rose.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/324UFCA6.jpg



This is amazing what this man Arne Svenson
has done with these recontructions.
<snip> from the article

Svenson: "I wanted them to be looking at us as if they're saying, 'Find me,' and also as if they're looking at their killer."

[Shadow205]

03-27-2006, 08:40 AM
Shadow205
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow205
A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.
If you clink on the link http://www.western-project.com/svenson/sve_img.html it will bring up this picture. I can see some likeness with Rose.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/324UFCA6.jpg



This is amazing what this man Arne Svenson
has done with these recontructions.
<snip> from the article

Svenson: "I wanted them to be looking at us as if they're saying, 'Find me,' and also as if they're looking at their killer."

You are right Christine, Svenson's work is amazing. He brings the UID'd back to life. I wonder if he would be interested in assisting us in our little venture? Hmmm, can't hurt to ask huh?

[christine2448]

I got this tip from a fellow MySpacer, For The Missing (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=126340516)

For the Missing's Blog is HERE (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=126340516)

Could This Be Rose?? I would like to investigate this more. Rose's DNA is in CODIS. We are trying to find out if this Doe's is. For The Missing is working with detectives to see if Rose and Pacheco Pass Doe are one in the same.


http://www.crimezzz.net/images/missing/jane_doe.php

[christine2448]

Detective attempts try to ID Jane Doe
Trucker admitted strangling 'Jane Doe'
By Mark Gomez, MEDIANEWS STAFF
Article Launched: 06/28/2007 03:32:44 AM PDT


Detective Ronald Breuss keeps the sketch above his desk, an artist's rendering of a woman whose identity has remained a mystery for 14 years. Most likely a truck stop prostitute, her lifeless body was found in 1993 near Pacheco Pass on Highway 152, dumped there by convicted serial murderer Keith Hunter Jesperson.
Breuss, a cold case homicide investigator for the Santa Clara County Sheriff's Office, likes to think the woman had a family, that someone once loved her and wonders what happened to her. So this summer Breuss will pack his car with copies of the sketch and hit the road. He will spend his own time and money in one last effort to put a name to the face.

If he strikes out, Breuss will close the case and put her file in an archive where "realistically no one will ever look at her again."

That's why her name matters so much to Breuss.

"She was a human being. She had a history ... and nobody could care less about that woman," said Breuss, a 26-year veteran in the sheriff's office.

He plans to drive I-5 posting her sketch with a plea for information along the way. "I care. She's entitled to somebody standing up for her. And in a lot of cases, the cold case officer is the last guy to stand up for somebody."

Even if that person was perhaps a down-on-her-luck prostitute, estranged from her family and addicted to drugs or alcohol. She wasn't from around here, just dumped in a remote part of the county. Breuss has theorized all of those scenarios.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_6249761?source=most_viewed

[christine2448]

Thank you For The Missing.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/pachecopassdoecomparison.jpg

[Shadow205]

I can see some similarities. I think that it is worth a closer look. It sounds like Detective Beuss would be interested in pursuing this.

[Rhett]

Off topic alittle but did you all see the reposted post on July 5 on the missing blog referenced above about the lady looking for her family? It seems she was snatched as a child, raised by a man and made to do awful things. Do you think Delia Cly strikes again or is this legit?

[christine2448]

Off topic alittle but did you all see the reposted post on July 5 on the missing blog referenced above about the lady looking for her family? It seems she was snatched as a child, raised by a man and made to do awful things. Do you think Delia Cly strikes again or is this legit?

You know....wow, interesting observation..how about a thread? LOL. We could help or oust. It would be interesting to go into 'one' with Delia Cly on the mind, it certianly makes you think about all 4 sides of the square after witnessesing something like that. I wasn't involved, I was just hurt for my friends who were, spent so much time, and it was all a hoax! Anywho, how's bout it Rhett? Wanna?

[InterestedNHelping]

Let me throw out another possibility here...I am doing a search for a woman who has never been listed as missing (many complications on it). However, I am wondering here, does anyone know if Jesperson gave this Doe the 39 yr old age? Or is it the detectives? In 1993, my missing person would have been 47, and looked much younger...I need some more info on this doe, she fits the location and actions of my missing...just need age approximation...unless of course, she turns out to be Rose...

Ohhhh, the endless possibilities with Jane Does! ;-)

[Shadow205]

Off topic alittle but did you all see the reposted post on July 5 on the missing blog referenced above about the lady looking for her family? It seems she was snatched as a child, raised by a man and made to do awful things. Do you think Delia Cly strikes again or is this legit?

My thoughts exactly when I read that.:eek:

[Dr. Doogie]

Off topic alittle but did you all see the reposted post on July 5 on the missing blog referenced above about the lady looking for her family? It seems she was snatched as a child, raised by a man and made to do awful things. Do you think Delia Cly strikes again or is this legit?

Rhett or Shadow: Can you send me a link to this thread? Thanks!

[christine2448]

Rhett or Shadow: Can you send me a link to this thread? Thanks!

Hiya DOC! ;)

The link was in post # 5, what is being referred to is in a blog here (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=126340516)

[itsreenw]

Off topic alittle but did you all see the reposted post on July 5 on the missing blog referenced above about the lady looking for her family? It seems she was snatched as a child, raised by a man and made to do awful things. Do you think Delia Cly strikes again or is this legit?
Speaking of Delia Cly, I got an email from her recently. It was a chain letter but I couldn't believe that scam artist still had anyone from WS in her address book.

I couldnt find the post you were referring to but I am interested in seeing it.

[itsreenw]

03-27-2006, 08:40 AM
Shadow205
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow205
A possible Jane Doe at doenetwork

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/324ufca.html

The girl was found in 1979. The estimated age could be right.
If you clink on the link http://www.western-project.com/svenson/sve_img.html it will bring up this picture. I can see some likeness with Rose.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/324UFCA6.jpg



This is amazing what this man Arne Svenson
has done with these recontructions.
<snip> from the article

Svenson: "I wanted them to be looking at us as if they're saying, 'Find me,' and also as if they're looking at their killer."

I submitted the possible match for this person. Received an email that said she has been identified. It is not Rose. The lady that contacted me said the website needs to be updated. She didn't give me the identity of the woman.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I don't remember this UID ever being discussed. The first link is the Doe network drawings of her, and the 2nd link is the LV coroners morgue UID picture. Since we never really know how tall Rose grew, (and without proper nutrition is probably not as tall as she might have grown with a stable healthy diet)and eye color is hard to distinguish between brown/green/hazel after death, you never know.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/58ufnv.html

Warning, not for the squeamish
http://www.co.clark.nv.us/coroner/unidentified/photos/unid_indv_79-0968.htm

[LisainWV]

IW, your Doe had dentures. Did Rose have dentures?

I have looked at this girl before simply because having a full set of dentures at such a young age should make her easy to ID. Never had seen the morgue photo.

Thanks for the link.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

IW, your Doe had dentures. Did Rose have dentures?

I have looked at this girl before simply because having a full set of dentures at such a young age should make her easy to ID. Never had seen the morgue photo.

Thanks for the link.

No Rose didn't have dentures when she left, (but then again not many 17-21 year olds do either). Little or no money, and living on the streets can change a lot of physical aspect's of a person. I could see how Roses dental health could have declined quickly. I can see all sorts of plausible explanations such as a free clinic, or a Dentist "Client". Also there are tons of periodontal diseases. I wonder if gum disease ran in her family.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

You know, after really studying the doe network sketches, and looking at the actual morgue picture, it's no wonder this girl has never been identified. The pictures look nothing like the victim. Even the ears which are clearly visible in the morgue pic are completely different than in the sketches.

After rotating and enlarging the morgue pic and putting it side by side with all of Roses pictures, I keep thinking I'm seeing similar mole and freckle patterns. If you look at a close up of the side view of Rose with her Brothers and the morgue picture, there is a skin bump in the exact same location. (among other stuff I think I'm seeing) I'll write to the LV NV coroners office tonight and have them take a look. I'll let you all know if i hear anything.

[LisainWV]

You know, after really studying the doe network sketches, and looking at the actual morgue picture, it's no wonder this girl has never been identified. The pictures look nothing like the victim. Even the ears which are clearly visible in the morgue pic are completely different than in the sketches.

After rotating and enlarging the morgue pic and putting it side by side with all of Roses pictures, I keep thinking I'm seeing similar mole and freckle patterns. If you look at a close up of the side view of Rose with her Brothers and the morgue picture, there is a skin bump in the exact same location. (among other stuff I think I'm seeing) I'll write to the LV NY coroners office tonight and have them take a look. I'll let you all know if i hear anything.


I agree with this completely.

As gruesome as they can be, I prefer to look at an actual morgue photo whenever possible.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I agree with this completely.

As gruesome as they can be, I prefer to look at an actual morgue photo whenever possible.

This is scary for me to say, but I am almost 95.999% positive that the above UID is Rose, (I'd bet the farm, but I really live on a farm, and I'd hate to lose it ) I wrote the NV coroners office last night, and spent several hours today enhancing, cropping and filtering the UID pic and Rose's side view pic. (The one with her brothers and showing the same side of her face as the LVNV UID.) I hope I'm wrong, because this UID was brutally murdered, I'd hate to think of Rose ending up like this.

I remember reading about a ring that Rose wore, any family remember what it looked like?

[christine2448]

This is scary for me to say, but I am almost 95.999% positive that the above UID is Rose, (I'd bet the farm, but I really live on a farm, and I'd hate to lose it ) I wrote the NV coroners office last night, and spent several hours today enhancing, cropping and filtering the UID pic and Rose's side view pic. (The one with her brothers and showing the same side of her face as the LVNV UID.) I hope I'm wrong, because this UID was brutally murdered, I'd hate to think of Rose ending up like this.

I remember reading about a ring that Rose wore, any family remember what it looked like?

I am so confused, imagine that! Which doe are you refering to, can you post pics here and links? Thanks!


WOOT! It's so nice to see people interested in Rose and her case...she is loved by so many and doesn't even know it!

[LisainWV]

I don't remember this UID ever being discussed. The first link is the Doe network drawings of her, and the 2nd link is the LV coroners morgue UID picture. Since we never really know how tall Rose grew, (and without proper nutrition is probably not as tall as she might have grown with a stable healthy diet)and eye color is hard to distinguish between brown/green/hazel after death, you never know.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/58ufnv.html

Warning, not for the squeamish
http://www.co.clark.nv.us/coroner/unidentified/photos/unid_indv_79-0968.htm


Christine - it's the one IW spotted and posted in this post.

Second link is a morgue photo, it's not that bad, but it is what it is.

I've looked a little harder at her too and think that it is possible.

PS Sorry for answering for you IW.

[phenolred]

anyway you can post a side by side pic of the rotated morgue pic and one of Rose? THANKS

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Christine - it's the one IW spotted and posted in this post.

Second link is a morgue photo, it's not that bad, but it is what it is.

I've looked a little harder at her too and think that it is possible.

PS Sorry for answering for you IW.

No problem Lisa, and thanks. I've checked my e-mail 20 times in the last few days to see if the cold case coroners office would write back. I assume they are heavily back logged, and if they did think the 2 where a match, they would contact the family and not me. Hopefully if the family hears anything they will post asap.

[christine2448]

This Doe has brown eyes, Rose had Green, olive eyes. But, it could be a misprint/mistake, I have see that a thousand times!

I wonder if this NV Doe has DNA in CODIS, if so, it should have hit when Rose's was entered. Jesse’s DNA sample was profiled and added to CODIS 10/06. The way the CODIS database works, we will only be contacted by the DNA laboratory if there is a potential match to Rose found in the system.
Each time a new DNA profile is added to the database, the computer will automatically compare it to Jesse’s profile, so the search for Rose in the DNA database will never end unless she is found.

[tinytown]

I agree that the morgue photo looks like Rose. So much of Rose's story troubles me and keeps me awake at night. Being sent to Synanon was so unfair. She was truly a lost soul.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

This Doe has brown eyes, Rose had Green, olive eyes. But, it could be a misprint/mistake, I have see that a thousand times!

I wonder if this NV Doe has DNA in CODIS, if so, it should have hit when Rose's was entered. Jesse’s DNA sample was profiled and added to CODIS 10/06. The way the CODIS database works, we will only be contacted by the DNA laboratory if there is a potential match to Rose found in the system.
Each time a new DNA profile is added to the database, the computer will automatically compare it to Jesse’s profile, so the search for Rose in the DNA database will never end unless she is found.

I know what you mean about the eyes. Remember "DOA cop", aka Mr. Harris who posted here for a while? I think he was the one who originally helped Isabella with getting Rose listed, anyway here is a quote from him on eye color on 4-6-06

doa cop said:

Eye color is difficult - as there are factors that can effect what you see at a post-mortem examination; decomposition, excessive heat, fire, dependant lividity can really make it difficult as well because the eye becomes so conjested and tardeau spots start to appear.




My eyes are very hazel, way more green than brown, and are listed as brown on my drivers licence. Looking at Roses pictures I would see how someone would call them brown as for a lack of a better description, especially post mortem.

I don't know if LV NV Jane Doe has DNA...did they even take samples in 1979? They do have finger prints, but dentals are out. First off Roses have been mixed up/and or lost and LV Jane Doe had dentures.

If Rose was put in the court system, her finger prints are probably somewhere, but since she was a minor when she was originally processed I would suspect they where never entered into any national data base for criminals. This will be a tricky one to rule out if no DNA was taken from the UID. Usually they tell you if DNA is avalible, but this one didn't on either of the web sites.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I stand to be corrected...the Doe Network said DNA WAS available. I wonder how we can tell if it was entered into CODIS? Who do we ask?

ETA: I just wrote again to the LV Coroner and asked they please let me know if this UID has been entered. Hope it pans out.

[christine2448]

I stand to be corrected...the Doe Network said DNA WAS avalible. I wonder how we can tell if it was entered into CODIS? Who do we ask?

Great! Ummm, the investigating agency for the Doe? Or email the doe network and inquire?

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Good Golly...is every body on vacation or what?? I just called the LV coroners office...Answering machine. Called the Missing Children's clearing house that the UID is also listed on...all on vacation. It'll be some time to find out if DNA has been entered in CODIS I'll keep trying.

[christine2448]

Good Golly...is every body on vacation or what?? I just called the LV coroners office...Answering machine. Called the Missing Children's clearing house that the UID is also listed on...all on vacation. It'll be some time to find out if DNA has been entered in CODIS I'll keep trying.

LOL! CustomerNOservice!

How about the FBI? That's who is in charge of CODIS
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/codis/index1.htm

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

LOL! CustomerNOservice!

How about the FBI? That's who is in charge of CODIS
http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/codis/index1.htm

:slap: Well I did speak to a REAL person at the FBI CODIS number. (In the Brochure section of the site) She was very nice, but said I had to speak to someone on the local level to see if the UID has been entered into national database. She also said that since I was not a family member of either Rose or the UID they might not tell me either way. LOL ...If I was a family member of the UID, she wouldn't be a UID would she?

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Okay, so this morning I wrote Doe network, called the non-emergency LV police Dept. number and the coroners again. FINALLY, I talked with a man at the coroners office after a lady at the police dept transferred me to a real person. He will call back TODAY with info on the LV UID to let me know if she has been entered. From what he says, I get the impression she has not been.



12:45PM Central

ETA: A detective called back, and she has no idea why the doe network says DNA is available. According to their records, DNA is never mentioned. She's going to talk to the head cold case detective, and have him call me back, and possibly contact Flint LE for Roses prints. I'd really like to have him contact Isabella or Brenda.

[christine2448]

Okay, so this morning I wrote Doe network, called the non-emergency LV police Dept. number and the coroners again. FINALLY, I talked with a man at the coroners office after a lady at the police dept transferred me to a real person. He will call back TODAY with info on the LV UID to let me know if she has been entered. From what he says, I get the impression she has not been.



12:45PM Central

ETA: A detective called back, and she has no idea why the doe network says DNA is available. According to their records, DNA is never mentioned. She's going to talk to the head cold case detective, and have him call me back, and possibly contact Flint LE for Roses prints. I'd really like to have him contact Isabella or Brenda.


I will email Isabella and have her check in here to see what has been going on.

I will ask her to PM you iNTERESTED. Thanks!

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I will email Isabella and have her check in here to see what has been going on.

I will ask her to PM you iNTERESTED. Thanks!

No problem. The detective had asked specific questions I could not answer. The UID must have a few old skin markers that are not listed for identification purposes. If Rose had a scar, or a mole, birthmark etc. somewhere, they could rule her in or out without going through the entire process, from what I understand. The ring that was mentioned by Brenda at one point could also help, if anyone knew what it looked like.

THe teeth are also a factor, if Rose's family has a history of periodontal disease, that could answer maybe the denture factor. Also, I was thinking about Rose's letter where she said a trucker messed her up when she was hitching a ride. She could have had some knocked out over the years and then found a clinic that helped her to get dentures. I don't know. Just thinking out loud.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

A detective is going to run the LV UID fingerprints with prints of those of CA Juvenile prints. If Rose got picked up for any crime in CA and printed when she was still a minor, they should still be in separate CA juvy files. (Of course she would have probably given a fake name, but there could possibly be a picture.) He said the UID prints have been run through local and FBI criminal files with no match. His next step if no match will be to contact Flint, MI LE to see if her prints where taken when she was sentenced to the Synanon.

[christine2448]

A detective is going to run the LV UID fingerprints with prints of those of CA Juvenile prints. If Rose got picked up for any crime in CA and printed when she was still a minor, they should still be in separate CA juvy files. (Of course she would have probably given a fake name, but there could possibly be a picture.) He said the UID prints have been run through local and FBI criminal files with no match. His next step if no match will be to contact Flint, MI LE to see if her prints where taken when she was sentenced to the Synanon.

Fantastic, excellent work IW!

[itsreenw]

Hi All,

I submitted a possible match for Rose to the Flint MI PD. I haven't heard anything from LE, but a reporter contacted me about it. (I wonder how the reporter found out I contacted the police).

I left a VM and replied to his email. I will post here when I speaka to him. If anyone can get in touch with Yannette, please have her contact me ASAP!!

Here is the email I received today:

Hello --

I'm a reporter for the Flint Journal in Flint, Mi. I'm trying to reach
K---- W-------, who recently contacted police about Rose Leanna Cole.

If I've reached the right address, would you please call me at (810)
766-6313? I'd like to pursue this as a possible news story.

Thanks, Ken P.


The Flint Journal, www.flintjournal.com
In Touch, In Depth, Involved
200 E. First St. Flint Mi 48502-1925

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Hi All,

I submitted a possible match for Rose to the Flint MI PD. I haven't heard anything from LE, but a reporter contacted me about it. (I wonder how the reporter found out I contacted the police)....
Hello --

I'm a reporter for the Flint Journal in Flint, Mi. I'm trying to reach
K---- W-------, who recently contacted police about Rose Leanna Cole.

If I've reached the right address, would you please call me at (810)
766-6313? I'd like to pursue this as a possible news story.

Thanks, Ken P....

Oh how cool! I hope they contact you ASAP, the family must be really busy, or have given up hope, a local story could really lift their spirits as well as stir up some memories for some Flint old timers. Hopefully it all works out. As far as the News guy, that's weird...did you give LE your address & phone number?, maybe your UID turned out to be Rose, and there was a leak to the media...:silenced: I sent a generic e-mail (no personal info)to the VA LE for a possible match for a different spot light case on Wednesday, and imagine my surprise when the FBI called me on Friday regarding the VA Doe...they knew more about me than I do...LOL (Big Brother is watching you ...LOL)

Anyway, the tough thing about these older cases is unless the family stays involved and is willing to urge LE to exhume a body and retrieve DNA, they'll never get solved. Even if they turn out to not be matches, at least the DNA will get put into CODIS and possibly be solved for another family.

What UID did you submit? It would be nice if we could start a sticky no discussion thread dedicated to confirmed rule outs only. (are there any?)Anyway...good luck, keep us informed as you can.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I just realized I posted this by accident to the wrong forum. Sorry for the repeat.

Off Topic: Most of you probably already know this but I found it interesting. This is just FYI, for anyone who would like to know how old UIDs actually end up in CODIS. This cold case detective was very helpful and a really nice guy. I'll paraphrase his comments, as I was taking notes as quickly as I could.

Quote:

"We have hundreds of UIDs in our system from the 60's, 70's and the early 80's that have not been entered into the CODIS network, simply because DNA didn't exist to us in that time frame. If the Doe Network or other UID web sites says DNA is available, it usually means that the body was buried and not cremated, in which it can be exhumed to harvest DNA. With time constraints and budget issues we only exhume a body after a preliminary investigation with the family of a missing person and we (LE & family) feels it warranted."


He went on to say that after the a body is exhumed, and if it's not a match with the intended missing, then the DNA goes into CODIS, and they try to get various sites updated relaying the information.

[itsreenw]

I spoke with the reporter this evening. A while back I contacted the Michigan State Police and asked that Rose be added to their missing persons database. I initially spoke with Lt. Stephen Sipes who referred me to Sgt Greg Hosmer.

Sgt Hosmer contacted the reporter, Ken Palmer, and told him he heard from me about a case that he thought might make a good story.

Since I didn't find Rose, I gave him HoT's hat and the link to WS and some other links with info about Rose.

He went to the Genesee County court to confirm that Rose was sent to Synanon by the court. He was in disbelief that the courts would send a juvenile cross country to attend a treatment program. Of course he was told there are no records for the case.

I hope Yannette reads this or someone is able to get in contact with her. We finally have some media attention. We can't afford to let it slip away. I gave him the link to the letters. Those will definitely touch his heart.

He is going to read about the case and contact me when he is ready to print an article. If anyone has any info they think he should have that has not already been posted, please PM or email me so I can forward it to him

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I'm still waiting from a call back from the LV detective. He said he'd get back with me the end of this week and so far nothing. I have also sent a couple letters to the Baltimore MD LE for the following Jane Doe.

http://doenetwork.org/cases/279ufmd.html

She looks close enough, hair color same...postmortem eye color "brown". Tall & same age group. She was found in 1976 in Maryland and she has a tattoo of the initials J. P. on her arm. (Maybe for Jesse/Pose?)

[itsreenw]

According to Yannette Rose didnt have any cavities. This person had dental work

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

According to Yannette Rose didnt have any cavities. This person had dental work

Both UID's I've been checking out have had extensive dental work. While it appears that Rose did not have any dental work done when she left in 1972, these girls where not found until 1976 & 79. As far as Rose's dental records, this is all we really know for sure:

Posted by Isabela PR on 11-19-06 # 138

She visited the Moss Dental Clinic in Flint MI. I obtained dental records to be compared with Jane Doe in CA. These were not a match. However, her stepmother (Opal) and step sisters (Brenda & Norma) are certain that the dental records were switch at one point. They think the records I obtained are Norma’s since Rose had no dental work done. The dental work show in the records matches Norma’s dental work.



Do you by chance know when the last time she had x-rays and an exam? I'm thinking she might not have been to the dentist for several years before she was sent away. My niece (14yr) goes to the dentist every 6 months. She has never had a cavity until her last visit and she had 4. IMHO until Roses dental Charts can be located and positively identified to be hers, Dental records are not a reliable method to ID Rose.

It is also my understanding that there was a medical and dental ward at the synanon. She could have been extensively treated there upon her arrival. I was just reading a study the other day about long term residents of the synanon having less cavities than the general public because refined sugar was not allowed. (from 1978 up) It appears that good oral hygiene was important there at least for awhile.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1651087

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

The waiting is killing me!
Has anyone heard anything? I left messages at both LE agencies I have been in contact with, but no calls have been returned...:banghead:

Any news from itsreenw? Any updates on the Media coverage, or your UID?

[christine2448]

I am right there with you...just got an email yesterday from the person helping on my end with trying to pull the story together for the national side and she is BACK in the hospital, please keep her in your prayers.

I emailed Isbella a couple of times and no response. I think her computer may be down again.

I recently reformatted my desktop and backed everything up to disk, that is where her phone # is, I will have to try and find the time to go through the cds this weekend and find her #..I think Shadow may have it too...I'll call her before I go crazy looking.

There are so many cases that we are just waiting on...then things heat up we get excited, then wait wait wait again. It can be so frustrating!!!!

[rmf]

Is this recently added Doe too tall to be Rose?

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase797.html

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Is this recently added Doe too tall to be Rose?

http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase797.html


It sure could be Rose. Problem is if no DNA is available chances are she was cremated, so we might never know. I'm so fed up with LE and all these Jane Does. I just want to cry or scream...or both. They put them out there to see, read about and to sleuth, but Lord forbid you call them and suggest a match. Then you get the same old song and dance about how back logged they are. They never follow up, they don't return your calls, they treat you like you're a suspect.... It's just a wasted cause. Unless it's a little podunk one horse town, with one UID a century, they simply don't give a rats hind end.:boohoo:

I'm sorry, I didn't mean to go histerical. It's just SSSOOOO frustrating.

[reb]

i wish a they had released a composite of rose with long gray hair. that's probably how she most likely would look if she ended up homeless.

[christine2448]

i wish a they had released a composite of rose with long gray hair. that's probably how she most likely would look if she ended up homeless.

Send SieSie a PM! I bet she can do it! :D

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

First off, I wrote to this lady today, but have not received a reply yet. I've Googled Rose Cole a hundred times and never remember seeing this site. According to the 3rd link, (a poem this Rose wrote when she was 15), she is 2 years younger than "Our Rose" . But the poem depicts what Our Rose may have been going through at that time. The last link is a paper she wrote when she was 13, and also quite interesting.

Her picture in the first link resembles the age enhanced pic of Rose, except the eyes don't quit look the same. According to this site, she never finished high school, but did later get her GED and is now attending college. She lives in Canada. From what I can gather, she is not married, but has a male partner. She has a set of twins, (Girl/Boy). The girl has an uncanny resemblance to Rose, IMO. I ask that not every one contacts her, as I have already. I don't want to scare her off, but I do value others oppenion. Let me know what you think.

http://rosecole.ca/index.html
http://rosecole.ca/gallery/index.shtml
http://rosecole.ca/odds_n_ends/time.shtml
http://rosecole.ca/odds_n_ends/liberation.shtml

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Well, I guess I must be entertaining myself. Received a nice response from the other Rose Cole:

Dear Lori,
No, I'm sorry that person is not me. I was born in Canada in 1960 and my middle name is Mary. I have seen information about this missing person, I wish you luck in your efforts to find her.
Regards,
Rose Cole

I guess the good news is she has seen info on Rose, so the word is getting around!

[LisainWV]

Well, I guess I must be entertaining myself. Received a nice response from the other Rose Cole:

Dear Lori,
No, I'm sorry that person is not me. I was born in Canada in 1960 and my middle name is Mary. I have seen information about this missing person, I wish you luck in your efforts to find her.
Regards,
Rose Cole

I guess the good news is she has seen info on Rose, so the word is getting around!

Good for you on contacting her!

[Aphra]

This Jane Doe has been mentioned as a match before, surely, but I didn't see her on here (I may have missed it though):

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/209uftn.html

She looks an awful lot like Rose. Height and hair color are a match. She was likely homeless/transient.

[LaLaw2000]

I have read every post in this case. I could feel everyone's highs and lows throughout these many, many days all of you were looking so hard for Rose. I would so love to find that she really is still alive somewhere out there living a wonderful life.
I started reading yesterday and finished today. I am in awe of the work that has been put into finding Rose.
I appreciate having been able to read this thread.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I have read every post in this case. I could feel everyone's highs and lows throughout these many, many days all of you were looking so hard for Rose. I would so love to find that she really is still alive somewhere out there living a wonderful life.
I started reading yesterday and finished today. I am in awe of the work that has been put into finding Rose.
I appreciate having been able to read this thread.

Poor Rose, I feel bad we all abandoned her. When her family quit posting, I think many people just gave up. I think of Rose a lot, and think her and Pose have reunited and started a new life without all the baggage.

I have this happy little daydream that Pose and Rose live in the same neighborhood and have each others families over for backyard BBQ's every weekend. They drink a few beers, the kids and the grand kids stop by to visit and play, and they eat Ribs and chicken and play cards til late...and thank the Lord they found peace...

[christine2448]

Poor Rose, I feel bad we all abandoned her. When her family quit posting, I think many people just gave up. I think of Rose a lot, and think her and Pose have reunited and started a new life without all the baggage.

I have this happy little daydream that Pose and Rose live in the same neighborhood and have each others families over for backyard BBQ's every weekend. They drink a few beers, the kids and the grand kids stop by to visit and play, and they eat Ribs and chicken and play cards til late...and thank the Lord they found peace...


I don't think we 'abandoned' her....just so much going on, so many cases. Hard to work on this when the family was so involved then stopped helping...IMO, because #1 we led them to something, #2 unhappy about things we may have discovered, #3, real life for them and for us 'hotter' cases sadly have grabbed our attention lately.

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

I don't think we 'abandoned' her....just so much going on, so many cases. Hard to work on this when the family was so involved then stopped helping...IMO, because #1 we led them to something, #2 unhappy about things we may have discovered, #3, real life for them and for us 'hotter' cases sadly have grabbed our attention lately.

Sorry Christine, I should not have assumed that others felt the way I do. I feel like I have abandoned her. I hope she safe and well.

[CASuzk]

I'd been looking for info about Synanon because just a few weeks ago, I stayed at a beach front hotel that had once been home to Synanon in Santa Monica (Casa Del Mar). How odd to see it connect here as well.

RE Rose: In June-July in 1973, my friend and I went to San Francisco and then on to Mill Valley where my aunt and uncle lived on Mt. Tam. One night, in late June or very early July, the SFO news showed a body of a young woman as sort of a last resort on finding her family. They found no id and they said that even though she was old enough to drive, no thumb print for her. At that point, she was a Jane Doe and this was their last ditch effort to find someone who knew her before they burried her. I recalled that she had been murdered possibly two week before they showed her body. I've often wondered if they ever found out who she was. The horror of seeing someone who was probably just a few years older than I was at the time really stayed with me. I wondered how such a young woman would have no one looking for her. Sadly, she did fit some of the descriptions of Rose that I've read here.

[Aphra]

I don't see anyone on the Doe Network matching those circumstances, so maybe she was identified.

[christine2448]

I don't see anyone on the Doe Network matching those circumstances, so maybe she was identified.


I wonder if that county or city has all their UID's listed on Doe....maybe not.

Is there a county ME site? Have you do any research on this at all CASuzk?

[CASuzk]

I've look on the net and old news reports also. There was was body, one of three young woman killed around that time, in the last reports I read. She was found on a school play ground. I don't think this was the same person I'm thinking of because all three of these young women were possible Filipino or other Asian girls.
I'm 100% sure that the girl I saw on TV was not Asian. From what I remember, the girl had been seen hitchhiking a few days before.
I was in the Bay Area from June 20 to July 6th, 1973.