Lisa Stebic-Plainfield, IL mother of 2 Part 3

[SeriouslySearching]

Were the kids allowed to talk to Police or anyone to tell what they might know yet? These poor kids are probably really anxious , How long can he hold out?
Until the kids are 18 and he has no control over them and what they say?! :waitasec: No, to my knowledge, I have seen nothing where the kids have been allowed to speak to the authorities.

[closeobserver]

Just realized it's today:

Fundraiser for the Lisa Stebic and Children's Fund: (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/443781,6_1_NA29_STEBIC_S1.article)

Sunday, July 1

What: Plainfield Jaycees is hosting a pancake breakfast.

Cost: $10 for adults, $3 for kids 6 to 12, free for kids 5 and younger

When: 8:30 a.m. to 1 p.m.

Where: Ira Jones Middle School, 15320 Wallin Drive, Plainfield

Did anyone get any new info at the Pancake Breakfast worth sharing? I couldn't make it.

[closeobserver]

Did the family ask at the breakfast that people don't discuss anything more on the boards? I'm surprised that nobody has posted anything on this site or CTV board since the breakfast.

[ocean]

I was at th breakfast all day yesterday(volunteer) There isn't much to report....other than status Q,,Great loving family, still no progress....Need volunteers for search sat. July 14th. I still find it interesting that cs does not show any support.(does not attend or help behind the scene in any way) I do believe that there is a strong poss. that Lisa is near. Ie: Silver Springs park....to find her we need to think like a degenerate would...it is hard for us to think with our normal every day brain and find her. The person who made her disapear is not a normal everyday thinker.....

[strach304]

I'm glad to see such a large local turnout. I saw where there were people there from Joliet which I know is close to Plainfield. Probably not a lot being discussed on the boards because there's no new info.

[Liz]

Thank you, ocean, for sacrificing your day to volunteer at the fundraiser for Lisa. :blowkiss:

I don't think it makes Craig look very good at all, not showing up for these events, tailored to help bring Lisa home. I don't understand how he explains that to the kids. I would think it would help them, being proactive! And would help them to know that even though their parents were divorcing, that their father cared enough about the children to want to see their mother brought back home.


IMO, it makes Craig look all the more guilty!

But, like someone else said, maybe he's convinced them that their mother ran off with someone and that it would be a waste of their time helping or looking.

Those poor kids. I feel so badly for them.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I would say it does lend itself to his looking even more guilty by not bothering to attend or help look for Lisa. However, his scumbag divorce attorney probably advised him not to! It didn't play well with SP or with Bobby Cutts Jr. after they were arrested.

[ocean]

I cann't make the connection between cs's divorce attny and criminal.....I mean isn't he a little outta his league. Perhaps he has some knowledge...

[ocean]

Liz, it was one of my greatest honors in life to be at the pancake breakfast. Lisa's family is so beautiful...it is enriching to be in their midst...Iwishthere were more we could do.

[closeobserver]

I cann't make the connection between cs's divorce attny and criminal.....I mean isn't he a little outta his league. Perhaps he has some knowledge...

Has it been reported if CS and his attorney have any relationship other than client attorney? Are they friends or hunting buddies?

[SeriouslySearching]

I cann't make the connection between cs's divorce attny and criminal.....I mean isn't he a little outta his league. Perhaps he has some knowledge...
They don't want to hire a criminal atty at this point to further place him looking more guilty, but someone is instructing them from that side. I would bet the Divorce Atty is working closely with the one who will eventually take his criminal case when they come up with evidence.

[ocean]

seriously Serching, Hunting buddies, wouldn't that just be.....interesting....yes I believe you are right, some one is advising them and will probably be the one to take over the case. Perhaps another hunting buddy

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see him running in the same social circles as the Attys. He is rather the 'country bumpkin', if you ask me. He just wouldn't fit in, IMO.

[Lisa Too]

Today's news: http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_185182921.html

Sounds like something may give in the next week or so! Let's hope so.

[Lisa Too]

And in the Naperville Sun today:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/456501,6_1_NA05_STEBIC_S1.article

[strach304]

I really hope they have something.

[closeobserver]

Today's news: http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_185182921.html

Sounds like something may give in the next week or so! Let's hope so.
I hope so, too. Right now, C.S. is just having fun. There is now a nice big boat in his driveway. Don't know if it's his or a friends, but it is obvious that his focus is far from helping his children find their mother.

[Cockroach]

Anyone know what "blog" LE is referring to? And how long do forensics take? Seems like forever!

[chicoliving]

Anyone know what "blog" LE is referring to? And how long do forensics take? Seems like forever!

According to this article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/456501,6_1_NA05_STEBIC_S1.article)

But those messages - which can be found on the "Find Lisa Stebic" message board at www.voy.com/211695/ - have left many following the case wondering whether the authorities will finally declare Craig a "person of interest."
I've never heard of it and haven't checked it out either.

[SeriouslySearching]

Sounds like LE is getting frustrated with the whole situation, too. Maybe the forensics and the search will further the case ahead for them.

[closeobserver]

According to this article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/456501,6_1_NA05_STEBIC_S1.article)


I've never heard of it and haven't checked it out either.

But those messages - which can be found on the "Find Lisa Stebic" message board at www.voy.com/211695/ (http://www.voy.com/211695/) - have left many following the case wondering whether the authorities will finally declare Craig a "person of interest."

I read through a lot of those threads on voy.com. REAL CREEPY! Does anyone get the idea that "matt" is really C.S.? I made one post and it seemed like he was trying to figure out who I am rather than debate my points by the re-posts.

[Lisa Too]

Cockroach,

The blog being referred to is www.voy.com/211695/ (http://www.voy.com/211695/)

Lots of posts there, most of them garbage from who seem to be kids. But, there must be something buried in there that LE's glommed onto. I've been on that site, but got disgusted with the B.S. people were posting there. Lots of junk. I don't have time to wade through it all.

[Lisa Too]

But those messages - which can be found on the "Find Lisa Stebic" message board at www.voy.com/211695/ (http://www.voy.com/211695/) - have left many following the case wondering whether the authorities will finally declare Craig a "person of interest."

I read through a lot of those threads on voy.com. REAL CREEPY! Does anyone get the idea that "matt" is really C.S.? I made one post and it seemed like he was trying to figure out who I am rather than debate my points by the re-posts.


CloseObserver,

Yes, I am wondering just who "matt" is, too. Yes, there are lots of very creepy posts and some very immature ones there. You'd think that with such a serious subject, they could stick to the topic at hand, but there are all kinds of posts there, some are just ridiculous. I started going there after Lisa disappeared, but quickly got turned off and looked for some serious discussion such as this one. Those folks have nothing better to do.

[Lisa Too]

According to this article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/456501,6_1_NA05_STEBIC_S1.article)


I've never heard of it and haven't checked it out either.

Chicoliving,

Don't waste your precious time. Lots of kids on that site, just looking to make idle talk. I've been there, not productive.

[Lisa Too]

I hope so, too. Right now, C.S. is just having fun. There is now a nice big boat in his driveway. Don't know if it's his or a friends, but it is obvious that his focus is far from helping his children find their mother.


That's outrageous! A nice, big boat??? I hope it sinks, with him in it! This is disgusting - his estranged wife is missing, his children are motherless, and he's going boating?????? Very sad. I guess this is what he's saying to the rest of the world - :crazy: !

I really wonder how those poor kids are doing!

[chicoliving]

Chicoliving,

Don't waste your precious time. Lots of kids on that site, just looking to make idle talk. I've been there, not productive.

TY I didn't think I was missing anything. I hope the volunteers just pour in for the search on Saturday.

Police seek volunteers for search (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/456272,4_1_JO05_STEBIC_S1.article)

[SailorMoon]

I watched with great interest the other night the story of Perry March on 48 hours Mystery. And all I could think of was - CRAIG STEIBIC!! It reminded me of him to a T. Perry didn't get by with it, it took some 9 years, so I hope ole CS ain't thinkin he will get by with it.

[SeriouslySearching]

He couldn't let SP show him up by not having a boat...now could he?!

[ocean]

everyone get a good night sleep. The search is tomorrow and we will need our energy!

[j2mirish]

everyone get a good night sleep. The search is tomorrow and we will need our energy!
prayers to all that are searching- good luck- I hope she can be found, and brought to rest

[Lisa Too]

I regret that I will be unable to search tomorrow. I've had foot surgery and am in one of those boots, and the stitches in my foot are unforgiving! I will be hoping and praying for all of you!

[Lisa Too]

On cbs.com today:
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_188081131.html

[SeriouslySearching]

One person not expected to help with the search is Craig Stebic. Plainfield police say they are not surprised.

"He says to media outlets, he says to his family that he’s cooperating and yet he hasn’t appeared," he said. "He appeared at one vigil and, from my understanding, that’s at the prodding of some of the family and friends to get him to go to that. He hasn’t attended any of the searches. He doesn’t appear to be a man that’s really interested."

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/lo...188081131.html

I wonder if he is going boating today instead?! No, I would guess he is hiding inside his home with curtains drawn, the children hidden, and biting his fingernails while awaiting the outcome of the search. I hope today is going very well for Craig because I am praying by the end of it...it is his last free one.

[Halls]

that man is an A$$hole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish they would find Lisa Stebic already and arresst Craig Stebic!

[Liz]

I hope and pray that something turns up from today's massive search effort. But, I fear CS made good on his promise to Lisa.

Why has there been no description of the clothing Lisa was last seen in, even IF he or the children didn't actually witness her leaving? What about any description of the jewelry she was known to wear?

Why wouldn't an innocent man let his children talk to investigators? (I bet Lexie would be able to determine what her mother was wearing at the time she 'disappeared', through the process of elimination!) And why wouldn't an innocent father of children whose mother is missing help in the search efforts?

Although it's not good to assume, I think we can safely assume the answers.

My heart and prayers go out to Lisa's family and friends, who have been so diligent in their efforts to bring Lisa home.

I don't think it's been mentioned here, but the reward since the pancake breakfast fundraiser has been increased to $60,000.

[Lisa Too]

Somebody, somewhere, must have seen or heard, or heard of something...just how much money will it take to get that person to come forward???

My heart goes out to this family and Lisa's children. This situation is agonizing.

Liz, I agree, while the kids may not have seen Lisa leaving, she made them dinner, so they must have seen her at some point in the late afternoon or early evening. They must have - surely someone remembers what she was wearing or would be able to deduce what she was wearing by what may have been missing from her closet?

[SeriouslySearching]

There may not have been a witness other than CS. He isn't going to come forward. The children aren't going to get near LE with CS in charge so there is no way to know any information as to what she was actually wearing. CS told LE minimal and it is all they have to go on until they can find Lisa or more clues to her disappearance, unfortunately.

[Liz]

Kimberly Guilfoyle had Lisa's sister Debbie and, I think, the Chief of the Plainfield PD on The Line Up. Unfortunately, there was nothing significant found during today's search. The police chief answered Kimberly's question as to whether CS showed up to help today, loud and clear. He said CS had never helped in any of the searches.

Thanks to all the caring people that sacrificed their day to help search for the mother of Craig's children. I think there were over 600 people! My hat's off to them! :clap:

[SeriouslySearching]

I thought this sounded very good for the children! At least, they have had time with other family. :

Mark Greenberg said the family was in touch with Craig Stebic, who was not part of the search.

He's also had contact with the Stebic children, recently spending a week with them on vacation in California


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/news/459941,3_1_EL08_A3STEBIC_S1.article

[CW]

I'm thinking out loud once again. Ok from where Lisa S lives,Craig could of gotten on I 80 to I 80/94 and had his father meet him at the Indiana Dunes there would be so so many places that he could buried Lisa at and that would of put him at the most 2 hour to 2 1/2 hours from his house. I know from growing up in NW Indiana LE has found a number of murdered bodies in or near the Sand Dunes.

[close_enough]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288533,00.html

a video report at link also...

[Lisa Too]

Can anyone speculate as to the connection here? Yikes, this is very strange:

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_191075534.html

[twinkiesmom]

I hope they're searching South of Plainfield, near Channahon (where the Vaughn family was killed)...there is plenty of wilderness in that direction.

[SeriouslySearching]

Can anyone speculate as to the connection here? Yikes, this is very strange:

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_191075534.html

Let me pick my jaw up off the floor before I respond to this!!!! :eek:

OMG! Strange doesn't begin to cover it! I have heard of reporters inserting themselves into stories...but she has included her children! She is obviously there socially. This raises SO many questions! This is HUGE!

I don't know what to say!! I...I...am at a loss for words over this one! :silenced:(That rarely happens. LOL)

[close_enough]

Let me pick my jaw up off the floor before I respond to this!!!! :eek:

OMG! Strange doesn't begin to cover it! I have heard of reporters inserting themselves into stories...but she has included her children! She is obviously there socially. This raises SO many questions! This is HUGE!

I don't know what to say!! I...I...am at a loss for words over this one! :silenced:(That rarely happens. LOL)

whoa!...same here...i just watched the video...Lisa's been gone just a little over 2 mos.....

[chicoliving]

I made a thread here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51201) about the reporter. Unbelievable huh?

[Lisa Too]

Let me pick my jaw up off the floor before I respond to this!!!! :eek:

OMG! Strange doesn't begin to cover it! I have heard of reporters inserting themselves into stories...but she has included her children! She is obviously there socially. This raises SO many questions! This is HUGE!

I don't know what to say!! I...I...am at a loss for words over this one! :silenced:(That rarely happens. LOL)

I know what you mean, SS, I am having a terrible time trying to put this picture together! I don't know what this particular reporter's marital situation is or what, if any, social ties she has with CS. She has been a respected reporter in Chicago since the late 90's.

Assuming she was there socially, and assuming they had a relationship of some sort before this all came down, with what has occurred, why in heaven's name would she bring her kids there???

I can't imagine that she would endanger her job by hanging out with CS. This is just unimaginable.

Yes, I think this is huge, also; I am just waiting to hear what possible explanation there can be here - is he having a little fling with her? Are they related somehow? Is she taking advantage and trying to get "cozy" with him to see what she can learn, journalistically speaking?

I'm holding my breath waiting to hear this explanation.

[Lisa Too]

I made a thread here (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51201) about the reporter. Unbelievable huh?

Thanks, Chicoliving. Yes, quite unbelievable. I'm flabbergasted.

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Is the reporter married?
Surely she does not find Craig Stebic attractive. This can't be a personal thing..she must have been hoping to give him the false impression that she was interested in a friendship in order to get him to trust her with his secrets.
I can't think of any good reason to bring her kids except to keep Craig from jumping her right there by the pool. Of course we know that having kids around won't stop him from anything. And what an irresponsible thing for a mom to do with two toddlers!
The call from his sis sounds like a poor excuse. Was she in any of the video? Was sis even there at all?
NOT. VERY. SMART.

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Is the reporter married?
Surely she does not find Craig Stebic attractive. This can't be a personal thing..she must have been hoping to give him the false impression that she was interested in a friendship in order to get him to trust her with his secrets.
I can't think of any good reason to bring her kids except to keep Craig from jumping her right there by the pool. Of course we know that having kids around won't stop him from anything. And what an irresponsible thing for a mom to do with two toddlers!
The call from his sis sounds like a poor excuse. Was she in any of the video? Was sis even there at all?
NOT. VERY. SMART.

Susan

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I personally think that DOCFS ought to get her kids away from her, after endangering them like that!

[fran]

whoa!...same here...i just watched the video...Lisa's been gone just a little over 2 mos.....

I guess Craig has moved on, huh? He should have been a little more discreet, IMHO. Guess he didn't realize news reporters will go to the ends of the earth for their story, or in this case, to just outside his fenced yard! :D

JMHO
fran

PS.....I was shocked when I saw this on our local news! OMGosh!!!!!:doh: ...fran

[fran]

I personally think that DOCFS ought to get her kids away from her, after endangering them like that!

At the least, her ex may want to talk to his lawyer about custody!:(

What is this woman thinking?!

fran

[Cockroach]

At the least, her ex may want to talk to his lawyer about custody!:(

What is this woman thinking?!

fran
She couldn't have been thinking. Even if she felt like she was going to break the case, why endanger your own children? Ewwww. Gross!!

[Lisa Too]

Here's the latest on Amy Jacobsen and NBC5 TV:

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_191075534.html

Whoa, Nellie! What could this all possibly mean? There has to be lots more to this story than we can even imagine!

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I watched the video.
From what I saw, she looked to be very comfortable and nonchalant. She seemed to me to be used to being around Craig, his house and his kids. She wan't being flirtacious or even very friendly. I wonder who she was talking to on the phone. It looked like she stuck her head outside the patio door during one call...maybe she didn't want the other person to hear voices in Craig's house?..."Hi, honey, I'm at the pool at the club with the boys, gotta hurry--kids in the pool, bye!"

Maybe she is related to Craig like a cousin or something. The man has no appeal of any kind-- not wit , intelligence, money, power, talant or charm, his appearance is slovenly, and he has a house full of kids and a potential murder hanging over his head! I can't imagine he would even be able to get any action in prison, for goodness sake!

Maybe they are like the Muensters from oldie tv and she is the pretty sister! EEEeekkkkkk!

Susan

[Cockroach]

Could this have been the "cryptic message" on Voy last week?? It sure made headlines!

She supposedly changed her plans at the last minute to go swimmiing at CS's house with her kids.

Maybe she kept looking outside SINCE HER KIDS WERE WITH A KILLER!!

[curiositycat]

I guess Craig has moved on, huh? He should have been a little more discreet, IMHO. Guess he didn't realize news reporters will go to the ends of the earth for their story, or in this case, to just outside his fenced yard! :D

JMHO
fran

PS.....I was shocked when I saw this on our local news! OMGosh!!!!!:doh:

...fran

IMHO This reporter is as fed up with men getting away with stuff like this as a lot of us are. She wasn't too bright in what she did, but I can understand her motives.
By the way isn't it a little soon for Craig to be partying with women in bikinis' in his pool. Can you say COB????

[Lisa Too]

There is something more about this situation that bothers me. Not just that Amy might have been after the inside scoop, that she might have had a "lapse in judgment" by going over to CS's house, but rather that she would show up in her bikini, with her 2 kids in tow. If CS's sister invited her over to "talk" about the case, don't you think she'd at least show up in "business casual" attire - not her bikini - unless she is obviously very comfortable with being in her bikini in front of CS? And, if that's the case, why on earth would she bring her kids along? I'm sure she could have found a sitter - after all, how much "talking" would she get done while trying to keep an eye on a two and a three year old in a swimming pool? None of this adds up at all - there has to be much more to this than Amy's willing to admit to the press. Just doesn't make sense.

[Lisa Too]

Could this have been the "cryptic message" on Voy last week?? It sure made headlines!

She supposedly changed her plans at the last minute to go swimmiing at CS's house with her kids.

Maybe she kept looking outside SINCE HER KIDS WERE WITH A KILLER!!

I believe this is the "cryptic message" from the voy site:

Date Posted: 11:43:52 07/05/07 Thu
Author: Micky Dolenz
Subject: I think this is the "cryptic message"
In reply to: peggy 's message, "person of interest" (http://www.voy.com/211695/2/1708.html) on 05:18:55 07/05/07 Thu

Date Posted: 09:30:23 07/01/07 Sun
Author: Curious
Subject: Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS!
In reply to: matt 's message, "Re: HOT OFF THE PRESS!" on 23:03:30 06/30/07 Sat

>What happens next week?
>
>Are you refering to the folks who will go out to
>Silver Springs and clean up most of the dead deer
>bones?
>

No, that is not what I was referring to. Just keep an eye on the headlines. You'll know soon enough.

Please note that this comment was posted on 7/5 (Thursday), and Amy Jacobson didn't have her little swim party until Friday, so there must be another headline about to be made.

[TGIRecovered]

Neighbors have been quoted as saying they've noticed her visiting his house quite a bit.

It looks as if one of the neighbors must have been cooperative in allowing a camera to be placed on thier property to observe Craig's house. I wonder if they went to that much trouble to catch her there, wouldn't they also try to have some kind of evidence of her car being parked on the street, or did she try to hide it? Was the camera there to catch Craig doing something sneaky and they just caught her by accident or did the neighbors see her there a lot and smell a rat?

She says she got some interesting info while she was there( which time?), as if she is hinting to other news agencies that if they will hire her now that she is out of a job, she'll give them the scoop. If she had info that good, wouldn't you think that she would have offered it to her bosses in order to justify her actions and keep her job? I'm not buying it!

I'm betting she'll sell out to one of the gossip mags then write a book.

Susan

[Lisa Too]

TGI, I've also read that neighbors reported her there quite a lot. Something smells fishy to me. Maybe she had an existing relationship with CS or his sister before this all happened?

I just cannot imagine "suiting up" to go swimming in a virtual stranger's pool with my kids - and feeling comfortable doing that! Especially when the general suspicion is that he is, at least, a "person of interest" and, at most, a murderer!

[closeobserver]

There is something more about this situation that bothers me. Not just that Amy might have been after the inside scoop, that she might have had a "lapse in judgment" by going over to CS's house, but rather that she would show up in her bikini, with her 2 kids in tow. If CS's sister invited her over to "talk" about the case, don't you think she'd at least show up in "business casual" attire - not her bikini - unless she is obviously very comfortable with being in her bikini in front of CS? And, if that's the case, why on earth would she bring her kids along? I'm sure she could have found a sitter - after all, how much "talking" would she get done while trying to keep an eye on a two and a three year old in a swimming pool? None of this adds up at all - there has to be much more to this than Amy's willing to admit to the press. Just doesn't make sense.


Every good beat reporter does whatever it takes to get the inside scoop, including getting chummy with people closely involved in the case, and suspects. While I agree she should have shown better judgement by putting on a cover-up, from what I hear, there was a very short period when she actually didn't have it on, and of course that's what the cameraman got. Craig's sister and 3 (or 5, not sure the number) and I think Craig's sister's husband were there.

I'm sure that Mike Royko occassionally had drinks with mobsters (who also kill people) to get his scoop. Did he lose his job? Amy called her husband and explained the situation and he agreed that it was right to go (at least that is what she said in an interview).

I was at the first vigil. Amy was there covering it and I was extremely impressed with her class. She was the only reporter that didn't run and stick a microphone in C.S.'s face when he was walking home with his kids. A friend of mine heard her comment to her cameraman that she didn't want to do that.

It was a safe meeting because there were others there. Could she have done some things differently?....of course. Has each and everyone made a error in judgement at one time or another?...of course. I believe her motives were strictly to try to keep moving the story forward, which is what we all want. C.S. was apparantly opening up to her for whatever reason. I believe that reason has nothing to do with a personal relationship, but rather one of trust. He trusted her to be fair in her reporting.

NBC would be smart if the admitted they made a mistake and immediately hired her back...IMO.

[closeobserver]

More important that the Amy story is, "Where is the evidence that is supposed to come out this week?" Is there evidence coming this week or is that a fabrication designed to make the perp nervous and/or to buy the PD more time before the public comes down on them?

What a total shame this entire situation is!:banghead:

[closeobserver]

Sorry, I feel like ranting today. I'm so frustrated with both the lack of progress and the Amy story.

Anyway, my question for Ocean:

Does the fact that LE still has the two confiscated automobiles carry any significance? Would they be able to continue to hold them if there were no evidence? What is the legality of holding them?

[j2mirish]

Every good beat reporter does whatever it takes to get the inside scoop, including getting chummy with people closely involved in the case, and suspects. While I agree she should have shown better judgement by putting on a cover-up, from what I hear, there was a very short period when she actually didn't have it on, and of course that's what the cameraman got. Craig's sister and 3 (or 5, not sure the number) and I think Craig's sister's husband were there.

I'm sure that Mike Royko occassionally had drinks with mobsters (who also kill people) to get his scoop. Did he lose his job? Amy called her husband and explained the situation and he agreed that it was right to go (at least that is what she said in an interview).

I was at the first vigil. Amy was there covering it and I was extremely impressed with her class. She was the only reporter that didn't run and stick a microphone in C.S.'s face when he was walking home with his kids. A friend of mine heard her comment to her cameraman that she didn't want to do that.

It was a safe meeting because there were others there. Could she have done some things differently?....of course. Has each and everyone made a error in judgement at one time or another?...of course. I believe her motives were strictly to try to keep moving the story forward, which is what we all want. C.S. was apparantly opening up to her for whatever reason. I believe that reason has nothing to do with a personal relationship, but rather one of trust. He trusted her to be fair in her reporting.

NBC would be smart if the admitted they made a mistake and immediately hired her back...IMO.
i have thought the same thing :truce:

[curiositycat]

Sorry, I feel like ranting today. I'm so frustrated with both the lack of progress and the Amy story.

Anyway, my question for Ocean:

Does the fact that LE still has the two confiscated automobiles carry any significance? Would they be able to continue to hold them if there were no evidence? What is the legality of holding them?
You are so right Close. The CIA, the FBI, the Police department all try to find out things by getting to know "criminals" and then getting inside information. I don't think this woman did anything wrong. IMHO she is one gutsy broad!

Like you I am totally frustrated with the lack of arrest in this case.

By the way, I wonder if the father of CS knows more then he is letting on? They should of checked his vehicles and home too. I am only going on discernment of his body language the one time I saw him interviewed. Something about his behavior??? I don't know just a hunch.
:silenced:

[ocean]

closeobserver, re the two cars. I would suspect the chain of evidence. They would be held to preserve what they found, to present in court etc...
If they were not needed they would not be kept. Keep in mind the search warretn and all that is needed to obtain one.
I am sure cs attny would argue his client needs the vehicle for work and transport of his children.

Again, I believe the key is the ability to convince a judge to issue warrent for the vehicles and other items that we are not informed of.

Re: Amy, I believe in what sh e was trying to do, I just cann't agree w/exposing her children to that skell......

[ByTheBay]

Hello all. I’ve been doing some searching for a Lisa Stebic forum that is powered by mature adult minds. I think I hit pay dirt! I hope you all don’t mind me jumping in like this.

I’ve been following Lisa’s story since day one, and have been posting on the Find Lisa Stebic Web page since four days after it was started. But, I have to tell you; I find it hard to hold my tongue. There are so many things I want to say that is best not said on a prayer and support page. I posted a couple of times on a site called VoyForums, and was very disillusioned by the ill tone. I read many hateful and disturbing things. There are two posters in particular who gave me the creeps. Matt and huh??? I can’t be 100% sure, but Matt impresses me as being CS. But there are also things said by huh??? that make me think it’s him. I also believe there’s an LE moderator posting there trying to feel out the possibility that CS is one of them. It wouldn’t surprise me if CS were lurking there and at many forum sites. He probably lurks this one too. I was seriously contemplating on starting my own forum Web page until I came across this one. I even purchased the software to get started. Hopefully, I’ll fit in here. Also, what I’m writing today is weeks worth of cooped up feelings I haven’t been able to share. Most of which is obviously things that have already been discussed. It’s only human nature to want to say your thing. I just need to unload and play catch up with a more serious minded mature group.

Lisa has become a very special part of my life. I never met her, but feel I know her. Her Web page has become sort of a meeting place of beautiful caring people whom I feel honored to be among. It’s a sad but special place. There’s so much outpouring of love and concern from so many whom never met Lisa or any of her family. Perhaps you already know this. Lately, I’ve been having some difficulty in posting there. I guess I’ve been letting the disappointment of hearing "nothing" get to me. And, I run out of things to say that I hope would matter. Sometimes I just sit there and read the posts and cry. Then I find myself just staring at the computer screen with fingers on keyboard that won’t move. I really can’t imagine fully what Lisa’s poor family must be feeling. My prayers are with her and them every day.

What a shame for Amy Jacobson losing her job over the likes of scumbag CS (sorry, that’s how I feel about him). While viewing the news video, it appears that she was trying to sneak some calls out while CS was preoccupied. I saw nothing that indicated ANYTHING otherwise! In fact, she really wasn't anywhere near him except to pass by him, which couldn’t be helped. Boy, something I'd want to do as a reporter......go on a secret rendezvous with my little kids in "BROAD DAYLIGHT" with a suspected killer, knowing full well that the media (WHOM I WORK FOR!!) is likely to be watching. And, not to mention that I would not be smart enough to realize the possiblity that there could be some heartless, lonely, miserable life wreaker of a lost soul who would be more than happy to drag me down, just lying in wait to film me. "NOT" I do give Amy more credit than that. Yep! It just proves to me that the old glass ceiling still exists. Double standards and a big smear job to destroy a good woman’s career, for sure. I’ve probably read most if not all of her articles, and have admired her true professionalism. Looks like all the work that's been done for the sake of equality is still inconsequential to some guys. They still get away with it. No secret for many gals I'm sure. It happens every day, but hard to prove or fight. I've seen it happen, and felt bad that I didn't intercede for fear of losing my own job. With Amy's position being higher profile than most women, coupled with the fact that she had the fortune/misfortune of working for a big network of talking heads like NBC 5 who COULD and DID have an easy time at twisting the event into something convincing and ugly, is surely more lacking in moral judgment then anything they could invent about her. Because a large majority of the media audience will believe anything spoon-fed to them...... GUILTY! GUILTY! GUILTY! Therefore, she must be guilty! "Let's make an example of Amy Jacobson!" Makes me sick and ashamed, as should NBC 5. I bet if it were Larry King on the video, he'd win the George Foster Peabody Award for Excellence in Broadcasting. No offense to Mr. King. I think he's a great guy, and I watch his show often. Hey, maybe I should ask CS if he'd like to do a little out of season deer or wabbit hunting! I'd even shoot the video myself and turn it over to NBC 5. They'd probably try to fire me from life as I know it for budding around with a possible killer! NBC 5 brings to mind some lyrics of the 70's Billy Joel song "Angry Young Man (old coot in their case). It's a song about those who refuse to see that every argument has two sides. " YOU'RE FIRED!!!" NBC 5 needs to get off their high ivory pedestal and drop the stones. Sadly, that's a third world country thing! Listen to what that lady has to say instead of prejudging her as some immoral floozy. Kudos to NBC 5 for attempts at destroying someone’s dignity! Why Attempts??? Because I don't believe a word of it, as I'm sure many folks don't! I hope Amy gets a real chance at telling her side. I hope there’s no truth in the gossip, so she can hold her head up high. Good thing I'll never have to worry about vultures like them being my judge and jury! I'm glad for our justice system as cracked as it is sometimes, thank you. I’d like to get my video camera out there and do a little Inspector Cluso of my own, NBC 5 guys. Free country! Smile!!!!!! :-)) Wow, I just blew off an incredible amount of anger for me. Sorry.

As far as my feelings for CS? I have not prejudged the man. That’s what our legal system is for. It just makes me feel angry how badly he treated Lisa. And, how he’s isolating the children. And that's no gossip or secret. Had he been a nicer more upright person there would be less pointing of fingers. But, the guy chose meanness and unethical behaviors (as proven by his past criminal acts records) as his path in life, and now has to bear the ugly consequences from a drooling biased, pea brained media audience. However, most folks do have pretty good judgment. There are just those who say guilty with not much intelligent thought. Trust me. I have not hung the guilty noose around CS’s neck. But on the contrary, he’s made it very difficult for me to have pity on him. And, if it ever comes to his/whoever’s arrest, rest assured he/they would enjoy all the privileges of our justice system, unlike Amy Jacobson who had to take it hard on the lip with no help from her peers or anyone. GUILTY!!!!!! And what about poor Lisa? Where is her justice? WHERE IS SHE???!!! The rotten creep/creeps who know where she is will have hell to pay. And, I feel so bad for her poor kids too. Where is their justice? When will they be allowed to heal? It’s just so beyond my scope of logical thinking how anyone can just arbitrarily and unscrupulously pluck a person out of existence giving no thought to how many lives will be affected. And, to do that to two little kids is totally incomprehensible. It makes me nuts! I guess it takes the lowest form of low. Pond scum bottom feeders!

I’ve been very disillusioned by the lack of national news coverage for Lisa. I’ve even emailed a couple of the networks a few times hoping for a positive response. But, got none! Without going into details ( which I’m sure you’re all aware of), it sickens me how some dumb stories are stuffed down our throats while there are missing loved ones out there. There are so many…… It goes without saying that if these stories aren’t broadcasted more frequently, most people forget or just lose interest. “What if she were my own???” That is what goes through my mind. When I make that connection, Lisa becomes closer to me and the prayers just begin to flow. My concern deepens. I’ve gotten so close in my mind that she feels like a sister or best friend. Deep I know, but I wonder sometimes how many more share my sentiment. And, frustration? Man, do I feel it. I’m here, and hundreds are there where I want to be. The car wash, the sandwiches, and searches……God, I wanted to be there. I live over eight hundred miles away. It might as well be the moon.

This can’t go on forever. Lisa will be found eventually. I pray daily that the creep/creeps who did this will have a brief moment of weakness and give her up. Lisa is NOT missing! She was stolen and hidden by a heartless, soulless excuse of a human being. I can’t even begin to imagine living with that sort of guilt for the rest of my life. Not to mention the grief imposed on her family and so many others who’ve become close. And, her poor kids……What they must be feeling? No child should have to deal with anything like this. Childhood is supposed to be a happy experience, filled with much laughing and learning. It’s so sad to me that they may have to learn tragedy at such a young age. I feel so bad for the whole family and all they must be feeling. They need her back so they can begin to heal. I don’t believe they will ever have closure though. How could one close out of their mind a loved one? Even animals grieve for their deceased young and masters for years and maybe forever. No, closure is not a reality, and a word used too loosely. My beautiful Mom went home to God on August 11, 2006. Not a day passes that I don’t think of her and cry. I miss her so very much and know I will forever. Almost a year has passed, and our little dog still looks for her. And, he gets very upset if anyone dares to sit in her chair. Now, whoever comes to visit knows Mom’s chair is off limits. He guards it so faithfully. It breaks my heart. He also goes to her bedroom door, which I keep shut, and sniffs under it. I catch him looking for her every now and then. Even our little dog can’t have closure. God, I’m bawling…… Even though I speak as if Lisa is no longer with us, there’s a lingering hope that sticks fast to my heart. I will remain ever vigilant to that prospect. God, Please send Lisa home safe……

[ByTheBay]

Things that have grabbed my attention and are on my mind:

1) It gnaws me to the bones why CS won’t let the kids give a statement to law enforcement or child services. That alone has got to be a huge strike against him. It certainly raises my eyebrows!

2) CS didn’t know what Lisa was wearing the day of her disappearance. Estranged or not they lived in the same house. How could he not know what she was wearing? The kids probably do though. Just by looking out my window in the AM, I can tell you what a couple of my neighbors were wearing at the end of the day!! I find that fact to be very unlikely.

3) According to CS he didn’t see Lisa leave that day. He said he was doing backyard garden work. Yet I read on another blog or news report that he said he saw Lisa get into a car. Then yet another that he didn’t know whether she walked or got into a car. Which is it??

4) According to reports, Lisa disappeared with her cell phone and purse at 6:00 PM. Neither phone nor credit cards were used since April 30th. I read somewhere that LE wasn’t able to ping her phone. Why would she turn the phone off leaving her kids no way to contact her? That could probably mean someone else turned it off, the battery went dead (not likely in that short time), it’s in the garden or with Lisa. Maybe this is no big deal for some. But, it peeked my curiosity.

5) Lisa went missing on the day she mailed her petition papers for CS’s eviction. Does the LE need this fact advertised on a flashing neon billboard? Good grief!

6) I read somewhere (blog or news report) that Lisa was going to abuse counseling. Couldn’t this fact be construed by LE that there were serious marital problems? I wonder if LE have been able to get her counceling session records?

7) It’s been reported many times how protective Lisa is of her kids. So, when she was getting ready to leave, why would she NOT tell CS she was leaving? Seems odd and unlikely given her protective nature.

8) I read “somewhere” that CS sent the kids to the store for candy at about 6:30 PM leaving the two of them alone (CS and Lisa). When the kids got home, no Mom! How convenient that all sounds. Also, sunset on April 30th in Plainfield was 7:49. Check it out.

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/RS_OneDay.html

How far away from the store did they live? What time did they get home? Being a parent of young kids, I would think CS would have put off candy shopping until the next day. I would have with my kid if it was that close to getting dark, but that’s me.

9) It was determined that the blood on the tarp from CS’s truck matched Lisa’s through DNA analysis. CS said it was deer or wabbit blood from a hunting trip. Hmmmmmm, another out of season poaching trip for Elmer? Some folks never learn, do they? Or, was it Lisa’s blood? Why would LE lie? I would like to think “NOT”. But, also “hope” to think it's “NOT”.

10) CS refused to take a polygraph test. Something to hide?
He also refuses to go to the police station for further interviews. Although not admissible in court, a lie detector test is helpful in that it can substantiate when it’s just your word against the world (I wonder if Amy was offered one??!!). If CS had allowed and passed this, LE could have refocused their efforts earlier on in their investigation. If it was I, and knew I was innocent, I’d volunteer for a polygraph! And, you can bet I’d not only be at the police station offering all I could; I’d be ringing their phone off the hook every day for any news. They’d probably beg me to stop calling!!

11) CS applied for and was denied sole custody of the kids. WHY did he pursue this so soon?? Did he know Lisa wasn’t coming home? Did he hope to have "carved in stone" control over the kids so he could dictate who can or can not visit with them? Or is there something else in it for him? Leaves me with a furrowed brow......

12) CS hasn’t participated in any of the fundraisers, nor did he take part in any of the search efforts. Man, if that were my missing spouse, I’d be the first one out there. Smells like Scott Peterson all over again! Sniff……

13) CS kept the kids from the fundraisers. Now, what harm would have come by allowing them to attend a car wash and a pancake breakfast in their Mom’s honor? I would have encouraged my kid to go so he could have witnessed first hand how much goodness exists in this world. What an enriching experience in human decency and compassion that would have been for them? It may also have provided them with some needed comfort, and a little relief from constant worry. I’m sure they would have received tons of hugs and encouragement. But, CS had/has his own selfish agenda. Why should his kids feel good? God only knows what he’s telling them.

14) The LE cadaver dog got a positive hit on something in the Stebic home. What?? And, why is it taking so loooooong for the test results!

15) Nice boat in the driveway, huh? I’m glad to know that CS is enjoying life so much while “LISA”; the Mother of his children is missing!!!!!!

16) This may be a rumor, but I’ll mention it anyway hoping that someone knows the truth. I hate rumors and hate it even more when I get unsuspectingly get caught up in one. It’s kind of gross though. I was reading some posts on a Web site one night and came across one written by a guy who claims his uncle worked with CS. Below is the direct page link. It's the first post dated Friday, June 15th. If anyone has a problem with the link, I’ll gladly copy/paste it into another post.

http://www.topix.net/forum/city/plainfield-il/TA30MIOFVCDD8O9C1

I hope there’s no truth to any of it!

It seems to me that there is substantial evidence that warrant CS being more than just a “person of interest”. Man, that label gripes me, almost as much as BC’s being labeled as an “associate”! Where do they get this stuff? I’d arrest CS on the tarp DNA (wabbit blood) alone, and build on the case from the rest of the questionable evidence. Well, I’m no cop, and find it hard to understand their methods. I guess they have reasons for what seems like a sloooooow pace to the rest of us.

Well, school will be open before we know it. And, joining the rest of the student population will be Lisa’s children. I don’t know about anyone here, but my experience as a child, and having raised one……There’s no such thing as: Cross my heart and hope to die……Stick a needle in my eye. If so, we’d have a universal blind epidemic. Kids can’t keep a secret for very long. Period! They tell their best friend, and then the whole school finds out. What’s poor sleepy, weepy eyed CS gonna do? Home school the kids? What a hoot! He can’t keep them isolated forever. Hopefully, something will break before then. I wonder if they’re not permitted to visit with friends now? How sad, if true.

Well, thanks everyone for allowing me to vent. My visit is well intended. I hope I haven’t been too intense or critical of CS, but he brought all this suspicion on himself by his actions, inactions and reactions.

Lisa and her family are in my prayers daily. Only God knows how I hope for a good outcome. Keeping the faith……

Peace

[closeobserver]

Welcome bythebay. Well said! I've been to the voy site many times, too, and am disgusted by it. My first thought was that Matt is C.S., too. Although after thinking about it, I don't anymore, but you never know. First it would assume that he went and purchased a new computer. Second, he must know that it would be too big of an opportunity to slip up and say something that could trip him up. I think it is just someone that thinks it's fun to bash people. Although, through some of his posts, when his emotions aren't flared up, I find him to be fairly intelligent. Anyway, that's about all the good I can say about him other than he feels that it is his civic duty to defend "innocent until proven guilty". And he does seem to think that circumstantial evidence is not evidence.

The only other thing I'll straighten for you is that I don't think CS ever said he saw her leave in a car, rather that he thinks she may have left in a car.

[Lisa Too]

CS is now an official "person of interest" - breaking news on nbc5chicago. See media thread for details.

[fran]

CS is now an official "person of interest" - breaking news on nbc5chicago. See media thread for details.

I saw that LIsa Too.

Thanks for the info
fran

[SewingDeb]

Fox News saying right now that Plainfield police will have a press conferece at 4:00PM today. Saying they believe it will be an announcement that Craig Stebic has been named as a POI.

[kinsey milhoune]

The Plainfield Police did have a presser and Ch.2 CBS Chicago covered it. The Chief basically said that CS has not been cooperative with the police, since he lawyered up, will not talk to the police & has kept the children from being interviewed by police except for a very brief interview back in the beginning.

Seems the police may be able now to question the children, they didn't say that, but it seemed like that is why they did this. Said the time line the kids may be able to give them is very important.

Also said the CS did not participate in any of the searches organized by police.

[Class-z]

The Plainfield Police did have a presser and Ch.2 CBS Chicago covered it. The Chief basically said that CS has not been cooperative with the police, since he lawyered up, will not talk to the police & has kept the children from being interviewed by police except for a very brief interview back in the beginning.

Seems the police may be able now to question the children, they didn't say that, but it seemed like that is why they did this. Said the time line the kids may be able to give them is very important.

Also said the CS did not participate in any of the searches organized by police.

Seems to be the MO of the husband/boyfriend that has committed the crime. Why search for someone when you already know where they are?

[kinsey milhoune]

Seems to be the MO of the husband/boyfriend that has committed the crime. Why search for someone when you already know where they are?

Exactly, guess this character didn't watch the SP trial! They could get together & write a book "How to Look Guilty"!!!

It concerns me about the kids memories of that day, since it's been so long, wondering how much they will remember about time etc....guess that is what CS was hoping for!

[SeriouslySearching]

I have faith the kids are old enough to have the day their mom went missing etched into their minds forever. It was a traumatic event and still recent.

LE will either have to go to family court and try to have the children placed in custody through a judge or another family member will have to try to gain custody away from CS before they can access the children. Either way, it will make it easier since he has been named a POI and the best interests of the children will come before everything else.

Did you also catch when they said they have more evidence of foul play? They didn't elaborate, but I swear I heard it.

[closeobserver]

Did you also catch when they said they have more evidence of foul play? They didn't elaborate, but I swear I heard it.[/quote]

I didn't hear that. Hope you're right, though. And I can't believe nobody in the media questioned LE about the new (DNA?) evidence that we were led to believe was due this week.

[closeobserver]

It was sad to see Lisa's kids this afternoon leave the house to go to the neighbors after CS got home. The had to walk by the reporters and then sprint to the neighbors house. This has to be terrible for them. It breaks my heart.

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess I missed that. Why were they going to the neighbors?

[Cubby]

I too don't doubt the childrens memories are very vivid. This is their mother....... I'm sure they miss and think about her often. My almost 5 yr old can still tell me things he recalls when he was 2. Kids have amazing memories.

[closeobserver]

I guess I missed that. Why were they going to the neighbors?

I don't know, I didn't ask them.

[panthera]

Nancy Grace is discussing Lisa's case tonight and that the husband is now a POI. :D

[ByTheBay]

Welcome bythebay. Well said! I've been to the voy site many times, too, and am disgusted by it. My first thought was that Matt is C.S., too. Although after thinking about it, I don't anymore, but you never know. First it would assume that he went and purchased a new computer. Second, he must know that it would be too big of an opportunity to slip up and say something that could trip him up. I think it is just someone that thinks it's fun to bash people. Although, through some of his posts, when his emotions aren't flared up, I find him to be fairly intelligent. Anyway, that's about all the good I can say about him other than he feels that it is his civic duty to defend "innocent until proven guilty". And he does seem to think that circumstantial evidence is not evidence.

The only other thing I'll straighten for you is that I don't think CS ever said he saw her leave in a car, rather that he thinks she may have left in a car.

Thanks for the welcome closeobserver!! I really like this forum!

Hey, I was just going to thank you for clearing up the walk/car thing. But, I just tuned into Nancy Grace on HeadLine Prime. They started out showing some early film clips, and one was of CS saying: "As far as I know somebody picked her up and nobody's seen her." It's about time Nancy Grace is giving some coverage for Lisa! I emailed her three times in the past couple of weeks and she gave nothing!! Even though it's mostly focused on CS, at least Lisa's getting some media attention. Going to go watch it now. I have the show paused......love my DVR!!

Keeping The Faith......

Peace

[Liz]

Welcome aboard, ByTheBay!

[Lisa Too]

Thanks for the welcome closeobserver!! I really like this forum!

Hey, I was just going to thank you for clearing up the walk/car thing. But, I just tuned into Nancy Grace on HeadLine Prime. They started out showing some early film clips, and one was of CS saying: "As far as I know somebody picked her up and nobody's seen her." It's about time Nancy Grace is giving some coverage for Lisa! I emailed her three times in the past couple of weeks and she gave nothing!! Even though it's mostly focused on CS, at least Lisa's getting some media attention. Going to go watch it now. I have the show paused......love my DVR!!

Keeping The Faith......

Peace

Yes, I landed here after that voy site also. Just a bunch of kids with nothing else to do over there - idle chatter and most of it disgusting. I was after some constructive thought about this case, seeing as it is so close to home. I'm just a couple of miles from the Stebic's house and have been following it since Day 1. This seems to be the place for people who are really interested in resolution and analyzing the facts. I'm glad to have found it. And there isn't any badmouthing of other people's thoughts over here. Thank God there are some sane people left in this world.

[curiositycat]

Just trying to put things together in my mind...does anyone know what CS does for a living?? Reading the above post regarding CS's dad I believe it was "bythebay" (WELCOME) I don't think that rumor may be too far from the truth. I have had a feeling all along that his dad knows more than what he is saying. It's just a feeling I have had since I saw the dad interviewed once.

[Lisa Too]

Just trying to put things together in my mind...does anyone know what CS does for a living?? Reading the above post regarding CS's dad I believe it was "bythebay" (WELCOME) I don't think that rumor may be too far from the truth. I have had a feeling all along that his dad knows more than what he is saying. It's just a feeling I have had since I saw the dad interviewed once.

Yes, CC, CS is a pipefitter for the Dial Corporation in Oswego. I've read that in several news stories, and they have several large "boilers". Plainfield LE made a visit there shortly after Lisa's disappearance. And, I agree, CS's Dad is in on it! Guilty is stamped on his forehead.

[closeobserver]

Thanks for the welcome closeobserver!! I really like this forum!

Hey, I was just going to thank you for clearing up the walk/car thing. But, I just tuned into Nancy Grace on HeadLine Prime. They started out showing some early film clips, and one was of CS saying: "As far as I know somebody picked her up and nobody's seen her."
Peace

Clearing up the clearing up. Just to be sure we are on the same page, although it is not a huge point, my understanding all along was that he said, "as far as I know, someone picked her up." That is different that stating he saw her leave in a car. (I'm not picking on you, I just wasn't sure by your message if that's the same thing you got out of it. And it could be me that is misinterpreting things.)

Anyway, welcome again.

By the way, the media is wild around here tonite. It was funny, the took the light (camera vans lighting up the house) and then someone inside the house started flicking a light on and off upstairs. The cameras lights went back on. It's almost as if he is playing a game. I can picture him drinking beer and messing with the media.

[closeobserver]

Someone do me a favor. If you see me go back to the voy site, slap me. I get so angry when I go there!!!! Sorry, I know this is not relevant.

[Lisa Too]

Someone do me a favor. If you see me go back to the voy site, slap me. I get so angry when I go there!!!! Sorry, I know this is not relevant.

No problem, I only go there when there is significant news. Otherwise, the only discussion there is drivel. Do the same for me, please!

[SeriouslySearching]

By the way, the media is wild around here tonite. It was funny, the took the light (camera vans lighting up the house) and then someone inside the house started flicking a light on and off upstairs. The cameras lights went back on. It's almost as if he is playing a game. I can picture him drinking beer and messing with the media.

The only problem I see with that is it messes with the kids, too. I can't imagine how hard it is for them to have to feel like prisoners inside their own home. It must be rather frightening, not to mention, unnerving for them.

CS has been playing a game since Day One with LE and the media. Today, he received notice he is now targeted to be on the losing side. :D His nerves are going to begin to frazzle, his world is going to become even smaller, and now that he doesn't have a pretty, bikini-clad reporter running around his house...he is going to be pretty darn lonely. hehehe

[Salem]

New media link - I thought there was a thread for media links only, but I can't seem to find it - so hope it is okay to post it here.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/police-eye-husband-in-wifes-vanishing/20070712210709990001

I think most of you have this information already. It talks about CS being named a POI. I just hope this means the kids are going somewhere else. It worries me that the Detective comes right out and says he thinks the kids may have important information. If CS has harmed Lisa, what would stop him from harming the kids if he thought it would keep him out of jail.

The sooner the kids are removed from his care, the sooner I will go back to breathing easier.

Salem

[Salem]

Okay - I found the media only thread and posted my link there. It is really just more of the same that everyone has posted since this morining.

Salem

[ByTheBay]

Clearing up the clearing up. Just to be sure we are on the same page, although it is not a huge point, my understanding all along was that he said, "as far as I know, someone picked her up." That is different that stating he saw her leave in a car. (I'm not picking on you, I just wasn't sure by your message if that's the same thing you got out of it. And it could be me that is misinterpreting things.)

Anyway, welcome again.

By the way, the media is wild around here tonite. It was funny, the took the light (camera vans lighting up the house) and then someone inside the house started flicking a light on and off upstairs. The cameras lights went back on. It's almost as if he is playing a game. I can picture him drinking beer and messing with the media.

My apologies closeobserver for causing any confusion. Maybe I just interpreted what I read by someone else to be too closely related to what I heard on the news. News or blog person said CS saw Lisa get into a car. On the news tonight CS said: “As far as I know, someone picked her up.” How could he say, “As far as I know” if he didn’t know? Just my view. Now! Stop Pickingggggg on me!! :-))

Very funny about the news frenzy tonight!! I got great visuals from your description. CS must be going nuts inside. But, hope the kids were sleeping. How far from the Stebic home do you live? If close, did you see or hear anything on April 30th? Something has really been bugging me about the whole time line of that night.

OK, a few weeks back, I did a Google Earth search of the Plainfield and surrounding areas. While doing so, I received a pretty good education of the land. Google provides info tabs on the maps if you want to learn something. With Plainfield being flat land, and not many secluded areas, “Whoever” would have had to take quiet a drive to do a dirty deed. (Hunch told me she’s probably not in Plainfield anyway)

There’s been a slightly varying time line as to when Lisa left and when her kids went for candy. For sake of argument let’s say 6:00-7:00 for all. But if you really think about it, that time line is totally moot. What I think matters is the fact that CS was home when the kids got back from the store. There was no mention that he wasn’t. (I stand corrected if wrong on this) Even if he took her somewhere in Plainfield, he would never have made it home on time when the kids returned. On April 30th, sunset was at 7:49, and twilight at 8:20. “If” CS did do the ugly, there’s no way he could have without the possibility of being seen. When I go to this thought process, it sickens me to think of the possibility that Lisa was still in the house when the kids got home. UGH! “If” that’s the case, “Whoever” took her out later that night allowing plenty of time to go “wherever”, and cover his trail. Do you think that could be a reasonable explanation as to why he didn’t report her missing until the next day?????? Let me know your thoughts. I love debate and receive sincere criticism very well. I just want to know the truth. God, please send Lisa home to her family.

Keeping the faith……

Peace

[TallCoolOne]

Was it even him that reported her missing though? For some reason, it seems to me that it was someone other than CS who reported Lisa as missing. Perhaps I'm confusing this with another, sadly there are so freakin' many of these situations anymore it's difficult to keep them seperate.

I pray for a time that I get home from work and get on these boards and find out there aren't any new stories...................

[docwho3]

. . .The sooner the kids are removed from his care, the sooner I will go back to breathing easier.

Salem They could be in danger as you fear if he becomes less stable especially since he did not get the custody order he asked for but I think they are safe for now. If I correctly remember this case I believe the children are why the murder was done in the first place. He wanted custody transfered to him (wasn't this the case where the man asked for an emergency custody order right after the wife went missing?) knowing he would be eventually charged with the crime but his parents would then be able to raise the children by default and I think that may be what he wanted all along and for her not to have those children at any cost.

http://www.nbc5.com/news/13293836/detail.html

[ByTheBay]

Was it even him that reported her missing though? For some reason, it seems to me that it was someone other than CS who reported Lisa as missing. Perhaps I'm confusing this with another, sadly there are so freakin' many of these situations anymore it's difficult to keep them seperate.

I pray for a time that I get home from work and get on these boards and find out there aren't any new stories...................

Hi TallCoolOne

I've read and heard different accounts about who called. ~~On May 1 he asked a neighbor if she/he? had seen Lisa. Then the neighbor called.~~On May 1 a worried neighbor called LE.~~He called.~~Check out this link. It cantains the Lisa story from the beginning.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/stebic/index.html

Yes, sadly there are so many missing. On any given day, there are as many as 100,000 active missing persons cases in the United States. I've been sticking with Lisa's story exclusively, because I can't handle all that tragic. My heart is nearly broken in two as it is. God never gives us more than we can handle. He gave me Lisa. All I can do is pray for the rest. That's all any of us can do......

Keeping the faith......

Peace

[puglet]

Wow! I leave for 5 days and come back to all this news! The reporter thing blew me away! One thing I found interesting is that they will not comment on where the videotape came from. I have always felt that the police have been watching every move CS makes. I think the tape came from them. Naming him a POI just puts more pressure on him to slip up. I truly think he believes he's gotten away with it. Per my "insider," they have a lot more evidence than has been released. They know he did it; they just want to cross their t's and dot the i's. Can't wait until he is arrested!

[Dena]

Thrilled this morning to hear on the radio that Craig is finally a POI. This is big news here, very big news. I hope they get him soon and can find Lisa's body and provide closure to the family.

[ByTheBay]

Just trying to put things together in my mind...does anyone know what CS does for a living?? Reading the above post regarding CS's dad I believe it was "bythebay" (WELCOME) I don't think that rumor may be too far from the truth. I have had a feeling all along that his dad knows more than what he is saying. It's just a feeling I have had since I saw the dad interviewed once.

Hi curiositycat, Thanks for the welcome!

I too have felt suspicious about CS's father. But, have chosen to leave that alone. I'm already in too deep with my suspicions about CS. I "try," (and sometimes with great difficulty), to remain unbiased. ~Innocent before Guilty~ I'm already bordering on outright accusing CS. I saw the interview and also some photos of CS’s father. It’s hard for me to imagine that little old man taking part in anything so gruesome, but not impossible I suppose. He “could” know something, and is holding back to protect his son. I don’t know. Saying that, I’ll “try” to remain focused on LE facts as presented. Of course, I will continue to add my two cents worth of theory and questions. Can’t avoid that!

Keeping the faith……

Peace

[SewingDeb]

curiousitycat,

He is a pipe fitter but has not worked since she went missing according this old article:


http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/376748,4_1_JO09_MISSING_S1.article

Welcome newbies! It's great to have more thoughts on the case. If he is guilty, I hope LE can get the goods to convict him. If not, I hope he can clear his name.

[closeobserver]

Now! Stop Pickingggggg on me!! :-))

Very funny about the news frenzy tonight!! I got great visuals from your description. CS must be going nuts inside. But, hope the kids were sleeping. How far from the Stebic home do you live? If close, did you see or hear anything on April 30th? Something has really been bugging me about the whole time line of that night.


There’s been a slightly varying time line as to when Lisa left and when her kids went for candy. For sake of argument let’s say 6:00-7:00 for all. But if you really think about it, that time line is totally moot. What I think matters is the fact that CS was home when the kids got back from the store. There was no mention that he wasn’t. (I stand corrected if wrong on this) Even if he took her somewhere in Plainfield, he would never have made it home on time when the kids returned. On April 30th, sunset was at 7:49, and twilight at 8:20. “If” CS did do the ugly, there’s no way he could have without the possibility of being seen. When I go to this thought process, it sickens me to think of the possibility that Lisa was still in the house when the kids got home. UGH! “If” that’s the case, “Whoever” took her out later that night allowing plenty of time to go “wherever”, and cover his trail. Do you think that could be a reasonable explanation as to why he didn’t report her missing until the next day?????? Let me know your thoughts. I love debate and receive sincere criticism very well. I just want to know the truth. God, please send Lisa home to her family.

Keeping the faith……

Peace

OK, I'm done picking on you:)

Regarding one of your questions, I live TOO CLOSE to say how close if you know what I mean.

Regarding your theory on timing...the popular opinion discussed is that IF he did it when the kids were at the store, or right before they came home, that he stored the body somewhere in the house until late at night, after everone would be asleep. Some suggested even that perhaps an accompliss came and met him close by, but took her body far away.

[curiositycat]

Thanks for the info Deb! I wonder if he is back at work yet? That article is from May.
Another question I have is how long were the kids at the store?
She is only 5'2" and he is a large man. She had been working out, but still I don't think it would be hard for a man that big to overpower her.

[Lisa Too]

OK, I'm done picking on you:)

Regarding one of your questions, I live TOO CLOSE to say how close if you know what I mean.

Regarding your theory on timing...the popular opinion discussed is that IF he did it when the kids were at the store, or right before they came home, that he stored the body somewhere in the house until late at night, after everone would be asleep. Some suggested even that perhaps an accompliss came and met him close by, but took her body far away.

I've always thought that CS's father and hunting buddy, with whom he was hunting when he was stopped by the cops in WI, is a likely accomplice. Something about him is troubling, anyway. It would stand to reason that if CS did do the crime when the kids were away buying candy, then he could have stashed her body in the bed of his pickup and covered it with a tarp (hence, the tarp with blood on it) until later in the night when the kids were asleep.

Then, he could have met his father half-way and his dad could have disposed of the body for him, so he could get back home with the kids. The Stebics own some property in the UP of MI and there are hundreds of abandoned mines in that area, according to an article I read. Also, someone mentioned that the elder Stebic owned a tree-cutting business or some such thing, which brings up memories of the movie "Fargo" - horrifying thought!

[ByTheBay]

OK, I'm done picking on you:)

Regarding one of your questions, I live TOO CLOSE to say how close if you know what I mean.

Regarding your theory on timing...the popular opinion discussed is that IF he did it when the kids were at the store, or right before they came home, that he stored the body somewhere in the house until late at night, after everone would be asleep. Some suggested even that perhaps an accompliss came and met him close by, but took her body far away.

Hey, thanks for validating my theory......One that I've been wanting to share, but unable too until this forum. It's probably old conversion by many here, so I really appreciate your patience in answering. I get your meaning of TOO CLOSE, and will not ask again. Seems your privacy has become a luxury, huh? Geesh!

Keeping the faith......on Friday the 13th

Peace

[strach304]

Cadaver dogs made a hit in the laundry room. Many theories have been discussed about that too. Craig's last day at Dial Corp. was the day after Lisa went missing. He was/is employed by a private contractor (forgot the name) that sends him to different job sites and is said to be laid off frequently for two weeks at a time in between jobs.

[closeobserver]

I've always thought that CS's father and hunting buddy, with whom he was hunting when he was stopped by the cops in WI, is a likely accomplice. Something about him is troubling, anyway. It would stand to reason that if CS did do the crime when the kids were away buying candy, then he could have stashed her body in the bed of his pickup and covered it with a tarp (hence, the tarp with blood on it) until later in the night when the kids were asleep.

Then, he could have met his father half-way and his dad could have disposed of the body for him, so he could get back home with the kids. The Stebics own some property in the UP of MI and there are hundreds of abandoned mines in that area, according to an article I read. Also, someone mentioned that the elder Stebic owned a tree-cutting business or some such thing, which brings up memories of the movie "Fargo" - horrifying thought!

Expanding on that theory, IF they are guilty, CS's dad could have driven ALL the way down, or within 5 minutes of he house on a country road so CS wouldn't have to be gone more than 10-15 minutes with his kids asleep. CS's dad could have arrived anytime of the evening or night.

I could envision this being an act of rage, then him calling his dad and saying that "I made a terrible mistake and need your help. Nobody would believe me it was an accident and it would be terrible on the kids if they lost both parents."

Perhaps only the stuff of novels, but...? Again, I like to theorize, but I have no proof that he did it. It's possible he is innocent and a victim of circumstances.

[curiositycat]

Cadaver dogs made a hit in the laundry room. Many theories have been discussed about that too. Craig's last day at Dial Corp. was the day after Lisa went missing. He was/is employed by a private contractor (forgot the name) that sends him to different job sites and is said to be laid off frequently for two weeks at a time in between jobs.
Well this is interesting. She worked at the school, not as a teacher, in a lower paying job. He can't keep a job? How do they afford that nice home with a pool in the backyard? :confused:

[Lisa Too]

Expanding on that theory, IF they are guilty, CS's dad could have driven ALL the way down, or within 5 minutes of he house on a country road so CS wouldn't have to be gone more than 10-15 minutes with his kids asleep. CS's dad could have arrived anytime of the evening or night.

I could envision this being an act of rage, then him calling his dad and saying that "I made a terrible mistake and need your help. Nobody would believe me it was an accident and it would be terrible on the kids if they lost both parents."

Perhaps only the stuff of novels, but...? Again, I like to theorize, but I have no proof that he did it. It's possible he is innocent and a victim of circumstances.

That's pretty much how I envision it, too. I don't think it's too far-fetched. Desperate people do desperate things.

[Lisa Too]

Well this is interesting. She worked at the school, not as a teacher, in a lower paying job. He can't keep a job? How do they afford that nice home with a pool in the backyard? :confused:


I read somewhere where they were mortgaged to the hilt - in fact, the article said that they owed more on their mortgage(s) than the house was worth - finance folks call that "being upside down on the loan".

[strach304]

Well this is interesting. She worked at the school, not as a teacher, in a lower paying job. He can't keep a job? How do they afford that nice home with a pool in the backyard? :confused:

In the court papers that were filed for the divorce he makes 75 or 80,000 a year. No she didn't make much at that time but had apparently worked before in what I'd think was a good job. Hotel business, management? Something like that, she had a degree.

[Cockroach]

In the court papers that were filed for the divorce he makes 75 or 80,000 a year. No she didn't make much at that time but had apparently worked before in what I'd think was a good job. Hotel business, management? Something like that, she had a degree.

But hasn't he been unemployed since the disappearance? Maybe he's gonna let the bank take the house. Foreclosure takes a few months. I agree dear old dad had something to do with this. He may even be helping to support CS since he is not working.

Closeobserver, any movement around the house today? I drove by and it seemed deserted except for the media. Those poor kids!

[curiositycat]

But hasn't he been unemployed since the disappearance? Maybe he's gonna let the bank take the house. Foreclosure takes a few months. I agree dear old dad had something to do with this. He may even be helping to support CS since he is not working.

Closeobserver, any movement around the house today? I drove by and it seemed deserted except for the media. Those poor kids!

Speaking of the kids. This is all conjuncture but IF those kids do know something they may be scared to death to talk. They may be afraid the same thing that happened to the mom will happen to them. I heard her cousin on an interview saying that when he let the kids go to California with them to visit relatives they didn't appear "ok", they were having nightmares, ect.
I truly feel sorry for these kids IF they saw a fight between their parents that turned deadly they may be in a really horrible situation now. They are probably scared to talk to anyone.

[Schmerty_Jones]

I am really heart-broken that those children are forced to stay in that situation. Regardless of the fact that their Mother "disappeared", they need to be counselled & talk to people they trust. They know the hostile atmosphere that existed between their parents & even if he did not kill her, as long as she is "MISSING" They need comfort & counselling & a chance to express their feelings & ask questions. For that attitude alone I consider Craig a murderer! Why else would he slowly destroy his children.????

[Cockroach]

I am really heart-broken that those children are forced to stay in that situation. Regardless of the fact that their Mother "disappeared", they need to be counselled & talk to people they trust. They know the hostile atmosphere that existed between their parents & even if he did not kill her, as long as she is "MISSING" They need comfort & counselling & a chance to express their feelings & ask questions. For that attitude alone I consider Craig a murderer! Why else would he slowly destroy his children.????

Because anyone who did what he probably did, does not have a soul. If you can do that to the mother of your kids, why the heck would you care about their mental health? He is extremely narcisisstic. That makes him devoid of feeling.

Of course they are having nightmares. They are 10 and 12. Kids that age probably know something's very wrong. All we can do is pray for those kids now.

[RAELON]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/13/missing.woman.ap/index.html

[strach304]

Cockroach, on the media links thread, I just read in the most recent report where it states CS leaving Friday morning at dawn and then goes on to say the children are in and out of the house all day and on bikes. Sounds like he's going to work and no babysitter? I have no idea if he's been working except that he wasn't for the first few weeks after Lisa disappeared. His employer was interviewed some time ago and everything. I would think certain media would know for sure since they have been reporting his trips to Michigan, his father's, etc.

[SeriouslySearching]

With all the media around the house...they effectively have the best babysitters around...carrying cameras and microphones. Heck, for awhile...looks like they had a drop-in supernanny even!

Still, I would think if your spouse went missing out of your front yard and you cared about your children...You would NEVER leave them alone and they would not be riding bikes, running around outside, or anywhere without an adult present. Of course, if you knew some guy didn't really grab your spouse...I guess you wouldn't worry so much then...now would you?!

[drumstick]

I said from the beginning ... this guy was crying from his soul on the second day.

How can you grieve like that unless you know for a fact that it's final?

The news reports of Lisa's blood found on a tarp in the back of his truck, cadaver dogs making a hit in their laundry room, his lack of cooperation, no participation in any searches for the mother of his children and basically doing absolutely nothing to help with the investigation, tells me what I knew the moment I saw him grieving on national television.

:mad:

[SeriouslySearching]

I said from the beginning ... this guy was crying from his soul on the second day.

How can you grieve like that unless you know for a fact that it's final?

The news reports of Lisa's blood found on a tarp in the back of his truck, cadaver dogs making a hit in their laundry room, his lack of cooperation, no participation in any searches for the mother of his children and basically doing absolutely nothing to help with the investigation, tells me what I knew the moment I saw him grieving on national television.

:mad:
Interesting take on that, Drum. So you think he was showing actual remorse? I don't believe the men that kill their wives have a soul, so it is difficult for me to buy they feel remorse of any kind...other than when they cry for themselves after they are caught. I think the tears you saw from CS were strictly for show.

[twinkiesmom]

So you think he was showing actual remorse?

I don't think he's the full Scott Peterson...about a 6-inch sub short of that sandwich.

IMHO, you can see the guilt(?) and anguish and most of all fear on his face. Part of him knows he f'ed up his kids. I think he and Lisa had a love-hate relationship...part of it was about the money but part of it was the unwillingness to let her move on.

[Cubby]

Cockroach, on the media links thread, I just read in the most recent report where it states CS leaving Friday morning at dawn and then goes on to say the children are in and out of the house all day and on bikes. Sounds like he's going to work and no babysitter? I have no idea if he's been working except that he wasn't for the first few weeks after Lisa disappeared. His employer was interviewed some time ago and everything. I would think certain media would know for sure since they have been reporting his trips to Michigan, his father's, etc.

If CS is leaving his 10 & 12 yr old children alone all day unsupervised while he is at work, I'm surprised CPS hasn't been involved. Illinois is one of 2 states which has specific age limits on leaving kids alone.

Illinois law defines a neglected minor, in part, as “any minor under the age of 14 years whose parent or other person responsible for the minor’s welfare leaves the minor without supervision for an unreasonable period of time without regard for the mental or physical health, safety or welfare of that minor.”
Juvenile Court Act, 705 ILCS 405/2-3(1)(d)

Here are age guidelines for another state.


Age Guidelines

7 & underShould not be left alone for any period of time. This may include leaving children unattended in cars, playgrounds, and backyards. The determining consideration would be the dangers in the environment and the ability of the caretaker to intervene.

8 to 10 yrs.Should not be left alone for more than 1½ hours and only during daylight and early evening hours.

11 to 12 yrs.May be left alone for up to 3 hours but not late at night or in circumstances requiring inappropriate responsibility.

13 to 15 yrs.May be left unsupervised, but not overnight.

16 to 17 yrs.May be left unsupervised (in some cases, for up to two consecutive overnight periods).

These guidelines are available on the Web at http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dfs/childrenyouth/homealone.htm (http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/dfs/childrenyouth/homealone.htm).


If he's working he'd be gone what, a minimim of 10 hours or so per day considering lunch and an hour or so commute.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...sounds like he would be breaking the law! A good enough reason for them to move in to take custody of the kids by LE to hand over to the social services dept., if you ask me!

[strach304]

Very interesting Cubby and coincidentally I was just thinking about that and wondering what Illinois law on that was? Seems to me LE would know it and be able to enforce it? I know the sister and brother were there and the media was made aware of that because of the video I watched last night explaining how that video of Amy Jacobson came about. Craig's father has also been there frequently to help out so maybe LE has been watching for him to slip up? They've also spent time with Lisa's family and been to the property in Michigan with Craig and his father. No adult there Friday, maybe?

[Salem]

Can someone call Social Services and make a report that they see the kids during the day and it appears they are not being supervised? Ask for a "welfare check" preferably on a weekday when CS is working?

These kids really need to be away from that man until it is determined whether or not he did hurt Lisa. If he gets desperate, who knows what might happen. And now that LE has said he is a POI and they don't think Lisa left of her own free will, it seems he may start getting desparate anytime.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes...any time now I am waiting on him to break a sweat.

[ByTheBay]

Yes...any time now I am waiting on him to break a sweat.

That could get scary. If he does get agitated enough, he might start smacking the kids around. It seems that public opinion says: get the kids out of there. Why won't LE listen? It seems only the right thing to do under these tense circumstances. It's not like the public has become some ugly lynch mob. We're only concerned about the kids' saftey and welfare.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't believe the kids are alone with him. I believe his family has that covered and the kids remain in touch with Lisa's relatives, too. Reports of them being alone could be simply mistaken.

I don't think he is going to harm them with the media camped on his doorstep either. People are watching him very closely and in part is due to the children. He won't get a chance, IMO. They are safer now than they were in the days preceding and immediately after Lisa's disapearance.

[Cubby]

Very interesting Cubby and coincidentally I was just thinking about that and wondering what Illinois law on that was? Seems to me LE would know it and be able to enforce it? I know the sister and brother were there and the media was made aware of that because of the video I watched last night explaining how that video of Amy Jacobson came about. Craig's father has also been there frequently to help out so maybe LE has been watching for him to slip up? They've also spent time with Lisa's family and been to the property in Michigan with Craig and his father. No adult there Friday, maybe?

I don't know how frequently this law is used. I see tons of kids in my neighborhood riding bikes and playing who are 4-7 with no parental supervision. My guess would be if CS is leaving them for extended periods of time, this would allow CPS/LE to place the kids with other family members, not necessarily allow them access to interview the kids. If that were to happen perhaps the kids would talk to another family member and based on what was said, if another family member had legal guardianship that family member would allow LE to interview the kids. I would hope LE is keeping a close eye for any reason to take those kids away from CS.

I do fear for the kids. I don't believe CS got rid of Lisa as a spur ofthe moment thought, based on his comments prior to this happening I believe he planned carefully for a long time. I'm sure he was thinking about it long before he even casually mentioned it to others. I fear if the heat was too hot for him he may plan or already have planned on what he would do to the children and himself. -Though that's just my opinion.

[twinkiesmom]

<<I do fear for the kids. I don't believe CS got rid of Lisa as a spur ofthe moment thought, based on his comments prior to this happening I believe he planned carefully for a long time.
>>

I believe the disposal site was planned a long time ago, but the time of the killing may have been a spur of the moment decision...motivated by a fight over the eviction notice or realization that he was going to have a couple weeks off after than Dial job ended.

If this was so well planned, why did the police find any blood? She could have been strangled or smothered with no blood evidence. If there is more blood in the home (besides what was found on the tarp), I believe was a fight that escalated to murder.

[Cubby]

<<I do fear for the kids. I don't believe CS got rid of Lisa as a spur ofthe moment thought, based on his comments prior to this happening I believe he planned carefully for a long time.
>>

I believe the disposal site was planned a long time ago, but the time of the killing may have been a spur of the moment decision...motivated by a fight over the eviction notice or realization that he was going to have a couple weeks off after than Dial job ended.

If this was so well planned, why did the police find any blood? She could have been strangled or smothered with no blood evidence. If there is more blood in the home (besides what was found on the tarp), I believe was a fight that escalated to murder.


I think the time of the killing coincided with the kids being out of school, or close to being out of school. It gives CS plenty of time to influence or attempt to influence the story of why mom went "missing" to his kids without the added influence of friends, associates, other parents and teachers at school. He's hoping the few months off will allow the shock to lessen, give him some time to "comfort", convince and influence them before the next school year starts.

His kids are too young to understand if dad really cared about his children having a mother, or attempts at "coparenting", regardless of marital problems and an upcoming divorce, he'd be out there shoveling shiot, if he had to in order to help find his childrens mother. Problem is he simply can't, not only because he doesn't give a rats batooty, but there is far too much of a risk that he'd make a mistake of some sort further implicating himself.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the kids this upcoming school year. Will they attend the same school? Will he send them to another school under the pretense "he's protecting them" or will he decide to home school them. The latter two will further imply guilt...... and the first, well, I guess that will be testimony to how well he influenced them and whether or not they share with a confidant.

Again, this is just speculation and my "gut" on this one.

[SeriouslySearching]

The children are old enough to formulate their own opinions of what happened to their mother. Relatives of Lisa haven't asked them those opinions yet and have said the children haven't offered them. The kids also know how tense life really was inside that house before she went missing. They are smarter than anyone is giving them credit here and I don't see them being "swayed" by whatever CS tells them in the long run. Especially the girl. She is going to be the key in all of this, IMO, as soon as LE can figure out a way to get guardianship turned over to Lisa's family and gain permission for interviews. I believe they are looking at a Grand Jury myself.

[Dryad]

I noticed last night on Fox they showed an older picture of the family sitting down on the floor but there were 3 children...Craig was in the back, a baby in front of Lisa that she was holding and the two older children, a girl and boy (probably the now 10 & 12-year-olds) on each side of them.

Did they have another child that I missed somewhere in all of this? Or could it have been a niece or nephew in the picture, something like that?
I would think there would have been some mention of a child they might have lost recently.

[Cockroach]

The children are old enough to formulate their own opinions of what happened to their mother. Relatives of Lisa haven't asked them those opinions yet and have said the children haven't offered them. The kids also know how tense life really was inside that house before she went missing. They are smarter than anyone is giving them credit here and I don't see them being "swayed" by whatever CS tells them in the long run. Especially the girl. She is going to be the key in all of this, IMO, as soon as LE can figure out a way to get guardianship turned over to Lisa's family and gain permission for interviews. I believe they are looking at a Grand Jury myself.

I'm thinking Grand Jury too. He obviously does not care about the mental torture he will cause. I am concerned he may "sway" the kids. God only knows what he has told them. Over and over then you start to be brainwashed by the lies. OJ's kids are grown now. Do they still think their father is trying to find the "real" killer?? JMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

I noticed last night on Fox they showed an older picture of the family sitting down on the floor but there were 3 children...Craig was in the back, a baby in front of Lisa that she was holding and the two older children, a girl and boy (probably the now 10 & 12-year-olds) on each side of them.

Did they have another child that I missed somewhere in all of this? Or could it have been a niece or nephew in the picture, something like that?
I would think there would have been some mention of a child they might have lost recently.

You know...I have wondered the same thing after seeing that photo. I had assumed it must be a niece or nephew, but it did look like a family photo. Strange. Anyone know?

[ByTheBay]

Just A Theory: “Whoever” did the dirty deed, hid Lisa before the kids even got home from school. When they got home he told them she went for a workout. He sends the kids for candy to allow time to think of a plan. He’s not dumb enough to use the house phone, so uses Lisa’s cell phone to call an accomplice. (Provided her cell was a throw away… TracPhone etc… can’t be traced) While he’s out birthday present shopping at Target with the kids, the “accomplice” goes to the house to take Lisa out. When all is clear, the “accomplice” signals CS on his throw away phone. CS and children go home, and have what appears to be a normal evening.

No one but “CS” told LE who saw who, or at what time on April 30th. I never read anything anywhere regarding what time they arrived home from Target. They could have stayed for a couple of hours. I wonder if LE got the Target surveillance video?

“Assuming” this “theory,” there’s no way he’s going to allow the children to speak with LE for as long as he can possibly get away with it. Too bad for him this “will” happen eventually. I doubt Lisa's children will ever forget April 30th.

Footnote: Who ever heard of an estranged spouse who has recently filed for divorce, go out and buy their spouse a birthday present :liar: THREE WEEKS EARLY??? He probably has the excuse, “It’s from the kids” lie made up already! I wonder if he really bought anything??

Curious? I wonder if hampering an investigation could be considered criminal in some remote way? Anyone know the law on this?

[SeriouslySearching]

How did I miss the trip to Target?! OK...I have looked and looked. There wasn't a trip to Target that I have found yet! Craig said he was in the backyard. The kids said the last time they saw their mom was late afternoon before going to get candy.

BytheBay? Do you have a link to Target and buying a present story?! I simply can't find it anywhere.

[CW]

I'm not read one artical nor seen any news media say anything about Craig S shopping at Target the evening that Lisa went out and never returned home.

[Liz]

Snippets from July 13th article:

On May 3 when CBS 2 sat down with Craig Stebic, he said he was the only one home when Lisa left around 6:00 p.m. April 30.

"She left to go, supposedly, to work out," Craig Stebic said. "Somebody picked her up. I was in the backyard, working in the backyard. When I came in she'd already left."

The kids were at Walgreens at the time Craig Stebic says they then came home around 6:30 or 6:45 p.m., and then promptly left with him to go to the store.
"We went out shopping over at the local Target store for a birthday present, and she just never came back the next morning," Craig Stebic said.

A neighbor reported Lisa missing May 1 when Craig Stebic called her that morning, asking if she knew where Lisa was.


http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_194081544.html

The entire article linked above is well worth reading, imo.

[Lisa Too]

Snippets from July 13th article:

On May 3 when CBS 2 sat down with Craig Stebic, he said he was the only one home when Lisa left around 6:00 p.m. April 30.

"She left to go, supposedly, to work out," Craig Stebic said. "Somebody picked her up. I was in the backyard, working in the backyard. When I came in she'd already left."

The kids were at Walgreens at the time Craig Stebic says they then came home around 6:30 or 6:45 p.m., and then promptly left with him to go to the store.
"We went out shopping over at the local Target store for a birthday present, and she just never came back the next morning," Craig Stebic said.

A neighbor reported Lisa missing May 1 when Craig Stebic called her that morning, asking if she knew where Lisa was.


http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_194081544.html

The entire article linked above is well worth reading, imo.


If CS gave this report to CBS as recently as Friday, July 13th, then it sounds to me like he's changing his story! No previous article has mentioned a trip to Target for a birthday gift. Sounds like he's trying to put up more smokescreens to me.

[ByTheBay]

Snippets from July 13th article:

On May 3 when CBS 2 sat down with Craig Stebic, he said he was the only one home when Lisa left around 6:00 p.m. April 30.

"She left to go, supposedly, to work out," Craig Stebic said. "Somebody picked her up. I was in the backyard, working in the backyard. When I came in she'd already left."

The kids were at Walgreens at the time Craig Stebic says they then came home around 6:30 or 6:45 p.m., and then promptly left with him to go to the store.
"We went out shopping over at the local Target store for a birthday present, and she just never came back the next morning," Craig Stebic said.

A neighbor reported Lisa missing May 1 when Craig Stebic called her that morning, asking if she knew where Lisa was.


http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_194081544.html

The entire article linked above is well worth reading, imo.


Hey Liz, Thanks for bailing me out on that one! I only recalled the comment from memory. Next time, I will validate with a link. In re-reading the article, it doesn't mention that CS went shopping to buy Lisa a birthday present. Only that he went to buy a BD present. However, the fact remains that he did say he was at the Target store. Possibly a big smelly red herring IMO.

Also, yet another comment by CS about Lisa leaving in that same article. I've read varying statements on this. I wonder which one is true?

"She left to go, supposedly, to work out," Craig Stebic said. "Somebody picked her up. I was in the backyard, working in the backyard. When I came in she’d already left."

[SeriouslySearching]

Well..this is certainly the VERY first time I have heard of it! No mention of this in any other story or article before now. I wonder how accurate this story is. LE has stated that it was CS who called in the missing persons report. Walgreens was never mentioned, but it was said that Jewels was the store the children rode their bikes to. A trip to Target has not been mentioned before either. So either CS HAS changed his story completely...or CBS has. Either way, it is quite interesting. It does seem strange all the way around. I don't know what to think!!!

Does CBS have this interview on video?!?!?!

[Lisa Too]

Well..this is certainly the VERY first time I have heard of it! No mention of this in any other story or article before now. I wonder how accurate this story is. LE has stated that it was CS who called in the missing persons report. Walgreens was never mentioned, but it was said that Jewels was the store the children rode their bikes to. A trip to Target has not been mentioned before either. So either CS HAS changed his story completely...or CBS has. Either way, it is quite interesting. It does seem strange all the way around. I don't know what to think!!!

Does CBS have this interview on video?!?!?!

The story link is http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_194081544.html. There is a video attached, but I haven't watched it (I'm at work right now). However, this is very strange - every single other story I've read says that CS sent the kids to Jewel for candy, which is further from their home than Walgreens' is, and there is NO MENTION of a trip to Target or an outing to purchase a birthday gift. I think CS has either changed his tune, or CBS has made a gross reporting error. I guess we'll just have to wait and see which pans out.

[twinkiesmom]

<<I think the time of the killing coincided with the kids being out of school, or close to being out of school. >>

I don't think he thought of the kids one bit other than making sure they were at Walgreens/Jewel/Target.

If you don't have sell your house or lose half your net worth in a community property settlement, I imagine it leaves you with enough left over for a nanny. In this case, finances be so bad he may have to rely on Grandpa for free daycare.

[ByTheBay]

Well..this is certainly the VERY first time I have heard of it! No mention of this in any other story or article before now. I wonder how accurate this story is. LE has stated that it was CS who called in the missing persons report. Walgreens was never mentioned, but it was said that Jewels was the store the children rode their bikes to. A trip to Target has not been mentioned before either. So either CS HAS changed his story completely...or CBS has. Either way, it is quite interesting. It does seem strange all the way around. I don't know what to think!!!

Does CBS have this interview on video?!?!?!

Go to the below Web page. There's a video archive to the right of the story. Above the video screen, scan across the video thumb nails with your mouse until you see the one captioned: Neighbors React to Craig Stebic Being "Person of Interest" Listen to all of it. It's all there.

It was sad going through those videos.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_193135404.html

[SeriouslySearching]

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_128215404/lg Found it and it is all there! Wow! Target, Walgreens, and all! Go watch...he looks even MORE guilty (if that is even possible)!

Thanks, BytheBay!!! This does change things!

[Lisa Too]

http://img.viacomlocalnetworks.com/images_sizedimage_128215404/lg Found it and it is all there! Wow! Target, Walgreens, and all! Go watch...he looks even MORE guilty (if that is even possible)!

Thanks, BytheBay!!! This does change things!


Yes, thanks, bythebay, for catching that. I agree, he sure looks guilty! Did anyone notice him "spit" at the end? And his body language, including the "cough" sure gives him away! And he seems to be looking away from the person interviewing him the whole time. This story is definitely contradictory to all the others we've seen and read. I'm convinced his free days are coming to an end.

[Liz]

For those of us that don't have the ability to view the video, can someone be kind enough to enlighten us about what's all there that makes CS look even more guilty?

TIA

By the way, ByTheBay, you're welcome for the link! :)

[ByTheBay]

For those of us that don't have the ability to view the video, can someone be kind enough to enlighten us about what's all there that makes CS look even more guilty?

TIA

By the way, ByTheBay, you're welcome for the link! :)


Hi Liz, The link you provided contains the story of what CS said as reported. Walmart~Target~Somebody picked her up etc. Using that info, (thank you very much again!) I Googled "Craig Stebic Target" hoping to find the story with a video elsewhere. *Pay Dirt* It turned out to be CBS2 again. Odd how they chose to split up the videos on different pages containing the same story. Date thing maybe. I think they should provide a video archive just for us!!!

I'm not sure I understand your meaning: "For those of us that don't have the ability to view the video." Do you mean you can't find the video or are unable to view it for lack of computer capability? If the first meaning: follow the instructions in my last post. Second meaning: I might be able to help you with that. Let me know, and we'll go from there.

[ByTheBay]

Yes, thanks, bythebay, for catching that. I agree, he sure looks guilty! Did anyone notice him "spit" at the end? And his body language, including the "cough" sure gives him away! And he seems to be looking away from the person interviewing him the whole time. This story is definitely contradictory to all the others we've seen and read. I'm convinced his free days are coming to an end.

I did catch the spit, and have to admit I backed the video up a couple of times to re-view that part. I just could't believe what I was seeing. And, it made a popping sound!!! Something I'd do for the TV cameras. Or in my own home for that fact!!!! Eeeeeuuuuuw......

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, that spit thing he did at the end read like, "Ppppptooyie...I have a bad taste in my mouth with those lies and am glad to physically remove it now." sort of gesture. I did notice how he constantly looked away to his right of the interviewer, instead of looking directly ahead.

So the question remains: Did Craig change his story?!

[Liz]

I did catch the spit, and have to admit I backed the video up a couple of times to re-view that part. I just could't believe what I was seeing. And, it made a popping sound!!! Something I'd do for the TV cameras. Or in my own home for that fact!!!! Eeeeeuuuuuw......


Sounds pretty gross, BTB. Sometimes I think I need to be grateful that I don't have the capability to view those videos. Ewwww is right! What kind of uncouth person does it take to do such a disgusting thing on camera?

[Liz]

If CS gave this report to CBS as recently as Friday, July 13th, then it sounds to me like he's changing his story! No previous article has mentioned a trip to Target for a birthday gift. Sounds like he's trying to put up more smokescreens to me.


Hoping to clear up any confusion I may have caused.

"On May 3 when CBS 2 sat down with Craig Stebic, he said he was the only one home when Lisa left around 6:00 p.m. April 30."

The article I quoted was dated July 13th and I think that is where the confusion comes in.

As to CS changing his story, I'm not sure he has any one story down pat, yet. Maybe by the time he agrees to talk to police, he'll have figured out for sure just what story he is going with!

But it sure is curious to me as to why Craig would send the children on a bicycle trip to buy candy; and then upon their return, takes them to Target, where they could have bought their candy.


Heads up: Sometime this hour Fox and Friends is supposed to be having one of Lisa's neighbors or friends on. Brian Kilmeade is saying it will be her best friend.(?)

[Lisa Too]

I did catch the spit, and have to admit I backed the video up a couple of times to re-view that part. I just could't believe what I was seeing. And, it made a popping sound!!! Something I'd do for the TV cameras. Or in my own home for that fact!!!! Eeeeeuuuuuw......

Just goes to show you what a "class act" we're dealing with here! I couldn't believe it, either. No wonder Lisa was divorcing him - I wouldn't want to clean up his spit, either!

Even the crassest of folks usually attempt to clean up their act in front of a TV camera, except on Jerry Springer, maybe!

[Lisa Too]

Hoping to clear up any confusion I may have caused.

"On May 3 when CBS 2 sat down with Craig Stebic, he said he was the only one home when Lisa left around 6:00 p.m. April 30."

The article I quoted was dated July 13th and I think that is where the confusion comes in.

As to CS changing his story, I'm not sure he has any one story down pat, yet. Maybe by the time he agrees to talk to police, he'll have figured out for sure just what story he is going with!

But it sure is curious to me as to why Craig would send the children on a bicycle trip to buy candy; and then upon their return, takes them to Target, where they could have bought their candy.


Heads up: Sometime this hour Fox and Friends is supposed to be having one of Lisa's neighbors or friends on. Brian Kilmeade is saying it will be her best friend.(?)


Curious, schmurious - he sent the kids for candy because he needed them out of the way so he could do the dirty deed or get rid of the evidence!

Liz, how was the story on Fox? Can you fill us in?

[ByTheBay]

Hoping to clear up any confusion I may have caused.

"On May 3 when CBS 2 sat down with Craig Stebic, he said he was the only one home when Lisa left around 6:00 p.m. April 30."

The article I quoted was dated July 13th and I think that is where the confusion comes in.

As to CS changing his story, I'm not sure he has any one story down pat, yet. Maybe by the time he agrees to talk to police, he'll have figured out for sure just what story he is going with!

But it sure is curious to me as to why Craig would send the children on a bicycle trip to buy candy; and then upon their return, takes them to Target, where they could have bought their candy.


Heads up: Sometime this hour Fox and Friends is supposed to be having one of Lisa's neighbors or friends on. Brian Kilmeade is saying it will be her best friend.(?)

Hey Liz, Great observation on the bike trip for candy "then" a trip to Target!

Regarding CS's May 3rd statements; I do believe that was his most public accounting of April 30th with a reporter. After that, just some brief iterations along with lawyer advisement excuses.

When he does interview with LE, his story better match what he said on May 3rd. Otherwise, curtains! Rest assure, LE is way ahead of us on this, and probably have a carefully rehearsed interview in place for him.

Man, I'd love to be a fly on that wall!!

[curiositycat]

Curious, schmurious - he sent the kids for candy because he needed them out of the way so he could do the dirty deed or get rid of the evidence!

Liz, how was the story on Fox? Can you fill us in?
We don't even know for sure if the kids went to Walgreens. I haven't heard any proof of this. It's just CS story.
IMHO:twocents:

[closeobserver]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/471596,jo17_stebicdivorce_s1.article

C.S. drops divorce petition. Give me a break. What is this all about if not just a legal maneuver to make sure that he has access to her assets.

Why is he more concerned with legal issues than finding his wife if he is innocent? Just when I thought it couldn't get any stranger.....

[closeobserver]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/471596,jo17_stebicdivorce_s1.article

C.S. drops divorce petition. Give me a break. What is this all about if not just a legal maneuver to make sure that he has access to her assets.

Why is he more concerned with legal issues than finding his wife if he is innocent? Just when I thought it couldn't get any stranger.....

Thinking about this more raises the following questions in my mind:
Does this mark the end of his being represented by Davi?
Is C.S. retaining a criminal attorney?
Will he be without representation?... free to speak his own mind
Did Davi request C.S. to find new representation?
What does Lisa's family think of this move?
Is C.S. going to profess his renewed love for Lisa and ask the public to help find her so they can live happily ever after?
Is this a move designed to make it more difficult for Lisa's family to get temporary custody of the children?

I'm beginning to think that C.S. just feels very sure of himself and that there is no evidence to link him to the crime, so he can do whatever he wants at this point.

[ByTheBay]

Curious, schmurious - he sent the kids for candy because he needed them out of the way so he could do the dirty deed or get rid of the evidence!

Liz, how was the story on Fox? Can you fill us in?

LT, Fox & Friends just updated their video archive. I thought you'd like to see it for yourself. Scroll down to the group of videos titled: ABOVE THE FOLD. You'll see Laurrie Bingenheimer's face. The interviews with the legal beagles has been omitted. But, all of Laurrie's interview is there.

http://www.foxnews.com/foxfriends/

[strach304]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/471596,jo17_stebicdivorce_s1.article

C.S. drops divorce petition. Give me a break. What is this all about if not just a legal maneuver to make sure that he has access to her assets.

Why is he more concerned with legal issues than finding his wife if he is innocent? Just when I thought it couldn't get any stranger.....


My exact thoughts as soon as I read the story. How about life insurance? Anyone know? It used to be 7 years before they would legally consider the person dead but I'm sure I saw somewhere where that has changed in addition to state laws varying.

[Lisa Too]

LT, Fox & Friends just updated their video archive. I thought you'd like to see it for yourself. Scroll down to the group of videos titled: ABOVE THE FOLD. You'll see Laurrie Bingenheimer's face. The interviews with the legal beagles has been omitted. But, all of Laurrie's interview is there.

http://www.foxnews.com/foxfriends/

Thanks much, ByTheBay.

[CW]

My exact thoughts as soon as I read the story. How about life insurance? Anyone know? It used to be 7 years before they would legally consider the person dead but I'm sure I saw somewhere where that has changed in addition to state laws varying.
After just reading the news article that Craig has filed a motion to drop the divorce proceedings this was the first thoughts that crossed my mind did he have a life insurance policy out on Lisa? I hope LE is checking into this matter as we speak.

[Lisa Too]

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/471596,jo17_stebicdivorce_s1.article

C.S. drops divorce petition. Give me a break. What is this all about if not just a legal maneuver to make sure that he has access to her assets.

Why is he more concerned with legal issues than finding his wife if he is innocent? Just when I thought it couldn't get any stranger.....


Could be just a legal maneuver to ensure access to assets. Or, more likely, why pay a lawyer to pursue a divorce you know you don't need? Once you are sure you're a widower, there's no reason to pursue a divorce action.

[fran]

My exact thoughts as soon as I read the story. How about life insurance? Anyone know? It used to be 7 years before they would legally consider the person dead but I'm sure I saw somewhere where that has changed in addition to state laws varying.

You are correct. Although not familiar with the state laws concerning this particular case, it was extensively discussed during the Laci Peterson Search that after one year in a missing person case, you can have a hearing and have the court declare the person 'legally deceased,' thus opening the door to collect life insurance.

He's probably also wanting to collect soc sec benefits as well. I don't know how much he'd get per month, but he would receive something for each child.
Of course, he could collect that even if they were divorced, as long as he has custody of the children.

His attorney has something up his sleeve in having him withdraw the divorce petition. Exactly what, I'm not sure. Certainly doesn't make him look any more guilty than he already does, IMHO.

JMHO
fran

[Liz]

<snip>Liz, how was the story on Fox? Can you fill us in?

Good thing I wrote the friend's name down because I never would have remember her last name.

Laurrie Bingenheimer - best friend and neighbor of Lisa's appeared on Fox and Friends this morning.

She said there had been a fight at the Stebics in December in which CS threatened to kill Lisa; 9-1-1 was called; and CS told the police to take their time getting there.

Laurrie stated that Lisa was scared to death of Craig! So much so that ... There was a contingency plan made between Laurrie and Lisa and Lisa's children that IF anything ever happened they were to run the three doors down to Laurrie's house and call 9-1-1.

That's all I remember.

[SeriouslySearching]

His atty is the biggest $%*(& I have EVER seen! He is sure making a name for himself...and it isn't a good one. The woman is missing and the only thing he cares about is money for himself and CS. Sheesh! He will go to any length to keep CS from LE...because he is going to lose his shirt. He doesn't care about the kids. He doesn't care she is missing.

It is all about how they can get assets, money, and control of everything CS gains by her death. Hmmm...wonder if they have looked at the Atty for any involvement in her disappearance. They do say to look at the people who stand to gain financially in such cases.

[Lisa Too]

His atty is the biggest $%*(& I have EVER seen! He is sure making a name for himself...and it isn't a good one. The woman is missing and the only thing he cares about is money for himself and CS. Sheesh! He will go to any length to keep CS from LE...because he is going to lose his shirt. He doesn't care about the kids. He doesn't care she is missing.

It is all about how they can get assets, money, and control of everything CS gains by her death. Hmmm...wonder if they have looked at the Atty for any involvement in her disappearance. They do say to look at the people who stand to gain financially in such cases.

Unfortunately, we don't know how much life insurance there is. What we do know is that the family finances were most likely strained - their mortgage exceeds the value of the home. Since the homes in that area are all fairly new - probably within the last 5 - 8 years, that tells you that there may have been more than one mortgage on the place or it may have been refinanced to a larger degree at some point to roll other debt into it. There'd have to be a significant amount of life insurance on Lisa's life, IMO, for an atty to be tempted to lose his reputation over it. I just don't see that being the case (but I could be wrong). After all, life insurance isn't cheap and there are indications of heavy debt and they have two young children.

[closeobserver]

His atty is the biggest $%*(& I have EVER seen! He is sure making a name for himself...and it isn't a good one. The woman is missing and the only thing he cares about is money for himself and CS. Sheesh! He will go to any length to keep CS from LE...because he is going to lose his shirt. He doesn't care about the kids. He doesn't care she is missing.

It is all about how they can get assets, money, and control of everything CS gains by her death. Hmmm...wonder if they have looked at the Atty for any involvement in her disappearance. They do say to look at the people who stand to gain financially in such cases.

There is also something called mortgage insurance which the Stebics may or may not have had. This insurance forgives the entire debt if one spouse dies. (I'm pretty sure it is still available)

[ocean]

Seems as if cs is getting more and more comfortable....confident...in how smoothly things are going for him....this is a good thing. He will slip up.....time, more time and he will trip and fall......and we will be there to watch and see this gutless, skell rot!

[ByTheBay]

Another brilliant tactic by his genious lawyer? Guilty or innocent, CS doesn't stand a chance with Mr. Davi. Especially when he makes statements like: "Especially given the fact that there isn't, to my knowledge, anything that points to him other than the fact that he is the last person to have come forward and say that he saw her," Davi said.
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/news/468109,4_1_JO14_STEBIC_S1.article

Why would DD say CS was the was the "last" person to come forward and say he saw her,"? They were still living together!!! " DUH!!! LE wouldn't even respond to that comment. None of it makes any sense!

Another one:
Davi said Thursday that his client is trying ensure his children have as normal a summer as possible. "They laugh, they joke, they're visiting relatives," he said. He added that "Craig maintains the statements he has always stated from day one. He is innocent of anything that has happened with Lisa."
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IL_MISSING_WOMAN_ILOL-?SITE=ILROR&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
OKAYYYYYY......How does he know that anything "has" happened to Lisa. That statement was made before CS became a "person of interest".


You know, DD probably made those irresponsible statements because of the media pressure. But, it's a competent attorney who can handle those kinds of pressures. Given the lack of criminal law knowledge; DD has an Ethical Obligation to CS to bow out, and advice him to hire a criminal lawyer. It could be that he's finally realizing this, or is going to continue on defending the case because he knows CS can't afford both of his services. What a nightmare and imbarrassment if the latter is true. I'd have to go up to LE with my wrists out. "I SURRENDER!! I SURRENDER!!


Something different: I wonder if CS posted on those workout sites using Lisa's name as a premeditative ploy to throw LE off. Has this been discussed previously on this forum?

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, that was brought up immediately, BTB...that CS posted pretending to be her.

The mortgage angle is quite possible in forgiving the debt. The vehicles could also have this type of insurance on them, too. (Paid off in the event of a death.) If CS had planned this for a long time, he would have set up a life insurance policy, IMO. He would have kept up the payments no matter what other things he had to let go.

[ByTheBay]

Yes, that was brought up immediately, BTB...that CS posted pretending to be her.

The mortgage angle is quite possible in forgiving the debt. The vehicles could also have this type of insurance on them, too. (Paid off in the event of a death.) If CS had planned this for a long time, he would have set up a life insurance policy, IMO. He would have kept up the payments no matter what other things he had to let go.

Hey SS, Check it out. Part of it validating my suspicions. I wonder if it will next be announced that DD will leave the case? I agree with the mortgage angle also. But, doesn't death have to be proven first? Maybe CS 'fessed up to DD, and they're banking on an innocent verdict should he be arrested. How dumb if true......I SURRENDER!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070718stebicjul18,1,6805415.story?coll=chi-news-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true

Craig Stebic did not attend today's hearing. His attorney, Dion Davi, said the reasons for the motion were that legal fees on both sides were mounting, and the divorce case could not proceed in Lisa's absence. "And yet another DD gem" Davi also said the divorce case was detracting from the ongoing search for the missing woman. How so? He and CS aren't searching!!!"

[closeobserver]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285473,00.html

Back in late June, a source close to the investigation said that they were waiting on new lab test...new DNA findings was the illusion of the article. Timing of the results brought it to the day police announced CS as a POI, but nothing was, or has been said regarding these anticipated new lab results.

Did I miss this?.... or did this story just go away?

[Lisa Too]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,285473,00.html

Back in late June, a source close to the investigation said that they were waiting on new lab test...new DNA findings was the illusion of the article. Timing of the results brought it to the day police announced CS as a POI, but nothing was, or has been said regarding these anticipated new lab results.

Did I miss this?.... or did this story just go away?


I haven't seen any results, has anyone else? Why aren't they being made public?

[ByTheBay]

I haven't seen any results, has anyone else? Why aren't they being made public?


I wondered too, so re-read the article. Thanks. I guess the word "completed" was the prime focus of the sentence. Just my take on it.

Excerpt:
A source close to the investigation told FOX News that "one" round of testing has been completed, but the lab needed "additional samples." Plainfield, Ill., police expect to have the results of that testing soon.

[closeobserver]

Let's get it over with. C.S. isn't going to cooperate now or ever. It's time to subpeana the kids before the Grand Jury. It's not going to be easy for the kids either way. Right now, they are in limbo and I don't see how attempting to move the investigation forward is going to be any worse.

I don't know if they can subpeana him also since he is technically a witness, not suspect, at this time. I'm sure he wouldn't say anything, but it would be nice to see him sweat.

[Lisa Too]

Let's get it over with. C.S. isn't going to cooperate now or ever. It's time to subpeana the kids before the Grand Jury. It's not going to be easy for the kids either way. Right now, they are in limbo and I don't see how attempting to move the investigation forward is going to be any worse.

I don't know if they can subpeana him also since he is technically a witness, not suspect, at this time. I'm sure he wouldn't say anything, but it would be nice to see him sweat.

Hey, close observer, you have indicated previously that you are really close - in fact, I read from your posting that you're probably too close for comfort. Did I read between the lines correctly? Not trying to get you to say how close - I wouldn't either, if I were you. But, if you're that close, perhaps you have an opinion based on observations that you made even before this all came down? If you do, would you share it anonymously? Just curious.

I agree it would be nice to see him sweat. While it's true that one is innocent until proven guilty, my bet is that the court is going to have one heck of a time trying to find jurors that haven't got an opinion on this one!

I really, truly hope that, for the family's sake, this one gets solved. Also, for the neighbors and friends. I'm close, too, but probably not as close as closeobserver.

[philamena]

I can't believe he hasn't been arrested yet.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think they are waiting for him to bury himself under so much circumstancial evidence that he cannot climb his way out from under it. Being protected by the Attorney, it is just a slower 'death' so to speak. The circumstantial evidence keeps piling up.

[ByTheBay]

Is it me, or are they growin' 'em dumber? Check out the comment by law professor Peabody...I mean Cravise. Who's CS going to talk to about the divorce anyway? And, what's there to even say at this point?? He doesn't talk to anyone now except for spot light lovin' DD. Well??????......, he might be doin' a lot of talkin' to himself these days. I wonder if that counts?!?! Geesh!

HA! I wonder if he's rehearsing in front of the mirror (with tissue in hand, of course) for the big bust. Only a matter of time with Cracker Jack DD on the case. Good grief, that guy is embarrassing.

On Wednesday a Will County judge granted Craig's request to dismiss the divorce petition.
"That sounds like good advice to me," said Leonard Cavise, professor of criminal law and evidence at DePaul University's College of Law. "Anything he said in the course of the divorce would be usable against him if there were ever a criminal case."

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/stebic/475020,6_1_NA19_STEBIC_S1.article

[SeriouslySearching]

"That sounds like good advice to me," said Leonard Cavise, professor of criminal law and evidence at DePaul University's College of Law. "Anything he said in the course of the divorce would be usable against him if there were ever a criminal case."

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/stebic/475020,6_1_NA19_STEBIC_S1.article
AH OK! So there is another good reason for him not to continue with the divorce case! I never thought about that...but they are right. He could slip up in the divorce and they could use it against him later! Interesting!

[ByTheBay]

AH OK! So there is another good reason for him not to continue with the divorce case! I never thought about that...but they are right. He could slip up in the divorce and they could use it against him later! Interesting!

Hi SS, Yeah but, what about the six months worth of divorce info already known by DD. If CS is indicted, can't the prosecution have that info brought as evidence? After all; the "bitter divorce" was never a secret to anyone. And as we all know; Lisa went missing during that time. It just seems to me that any info possessed by DD shouldn't be considered privileged anymore.

Let me know your thoughts.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hi SS, Yeah but, what about the six months worth of divorce info already known by DD. If CS is indicted, can't the prosecution have that info brought as evidence? After all; the "bitter divorce" was never a secret to anyone. And as we all know; Lisa went missing during that time. It just seems to me that any info possessed by DD shouldn't be considered privileged anymore.

Let me know your thoughts.

No, only what has been stated in court can be used against him. CS and DD still and will have Atty/client priviledge for the duration. However, now that she is "missing"...his testimony would become even more critical. He would have to skirt around the issue of how, why, etc. she is no longer involved in the case personally while being questioned by the Judge. I would assume they would prefer this not to be a risk they take at this point.

[crocus]

Let's get it over with. C.S. isn't going to cooperate now or ever. It's time to subpeana the kids before the Grand Jury. It's not going to be easy for the kids either way. Right now, they are in limbo and I don't see how attempting to move the investigation forward is going to be any worse.

I don't know if they can subpeana him also since he is technically a witness, not suspect, at this time. I'm sure he wouldn't say anything, but it would be nice to see him sweat.


closeobserver - ITA Surely, it is time.

[ByTheBay]

No, only what has been stated in court can be used against him. CS and DD still and will have Atty/client priviledge for the duration. However, now that she is "missing"...his testimony would become even more critical. He would have to skirt around the issue of how, why, etc. she is no longer involved in the case personally while being questioned by the Judge. I would assume they would prefer this not to be a risk they take at this point.


OK, let me get this right. Even though the divorce proceedings have been dropped; the info is still privileged? DD isn't CS's divorce lawyer anymore, so how can it be? I think I'm having a major brain leak. I don't understand.

Sorry for not getting back sooner. CLOSET CLEANING!! UGH

[SeriouslySearching]

I could not agree more!!!! :clap: What could be more in the BEST INTEREST of Lisa's children than to find out what really happened to their mother? Yes, it will be difficult. Yes, it will be traumatic. Yes, it will be intimidating. BUT...at their age...they can handle it and they WANT to help! They WANT plus DESERVE to know! If *cough* their father had a hand in it...they NEED to know! THIS IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST!

I don't know why they are hedging on the Grand Jury at this point...other than they really are waiting on more evidence. The perp *coughcs* didn't leave much to take to a GJ. You DO have to possess a case which the GJ will accept.

Let's get it over with. C.S. isn't going to cooperate now or ever. It's time to subpeana the kids before the Grand Jury. It's not going to be easy for the kids either way. Right now, they are in limbo and I don't see how attempting to move the investigation forward is going to be any worse.

I don't know if they can subpeana him also since he is technically a witness, not suspect, at this time. I'm sure he wouldn't say anything, but it would be nice to see him sweat.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK, let me get this right. Even though the divorce proceedings have been dropped; the info is still privileged? DD isn't CS's divorce lawyer anymore, so how can it be? I think I'm having a major brain leak. I don't understand.

Sorry for not getting back sooner. CLOSET CLEANING!! UGH

Think he isn't going to retain this atty as his own? He has other issues in which to include him in proceedings now until he declares an actual criminal defense atty. Besides, as far as my understanding goes...even if the case has been dropped...you can still count on the "priviledge". If I am wrong, I am sure the legal beagles here will let us know, but it is my understanding.

*Hint...Do what I do when I clean closets...grab a trash bag and say to yourself..."Did I use it or wear it in the last six months?!"...then I pack it up for Goodwill or send it to the dry cleaners! THEN PAINT THE INSIDE OF YOUR CLOSET! This gives you incentive to keep it clean. (I paint weird things on the inside of my closets...go figure...I am an artist so I have to have such outlets. LOL)

[ByTheBay]

Think he isn't going to retain this atty as his own? He has other issues in which to include him in proceedings now until he declares an actual criminal defense atty. Besides, as far as my understanding goes...even if the case has been dropped...you can still count on the "priviledge". If I am wrong, I am sure the legal beagles here will let us know, but it is my understanding.

*Hint...Do what I do when I clean closets...grab a trash bag and say to yourself..."Did I use it or wear it in the last six months?!"...then I pack it up for Goodwill or send it to the dry cleaners! THEN PAINT THE INSIDE OF YOUR CLOSET! This gives you incentive to keep it clean. (I paint weird things on the inside of my closets...go figure...I am an artist so I have to have such outlets. LOL)

Thanks! I think I get it now.

Funny you mention trash bags. I marched in the BR with a handful determined to get rid of junk. I just started saying while grabbing......Nope it's gotta go......this is nuts! I have three bags full and a ton more clothes to go through. I really hate this. Hey, I think that's so cool being an artist. One of my closest friends in Santa Fe is a professional artist. Oils and bronze work is her speciality. Beautiful stuff. Her work sells for thousands. What is your specialty? I'm sort of an artist in my own right. Only thing......I don't get paid. I do wood craft and give most of it away. I can't say no when someone asks for something. But am very flattered that folks like my stuff. It's a good feeling. I also dabble with poetry. Not paid. I have to tell you something funny. When we were talking about CS spitting for the camera; there was something about Liz's post (403) that just tickled me. I don't know what it was...the way she said it...imagining her as she wrote it...I don't know. It was just one of those simple moments we get for unknown reasons. Anyway, I had a poetic mind dump like you wouldn't believe. I wasn't sure it would be appropriate to post it here. It is clean.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks! I think I get it now.

Funny you mention trash bags. I marched in the BR with a handful determined to get rid of junk. I just started saying while grabbing......Nope it's gotta go......this is nuts! I have three bags full and a ton more clothes to go through. I really hate this. Hey, I think that's so cool being an artist. One of my closest friends in Santa Fe is a professional artist. Oils and bronze work is her speciality. Beautiful stuff. Her work sells for thousands. What is your specialty? I'm sort of an artist in my own right. Only thing......I don't get paid. I do wood craft and give most of it away. I can't say no when someone asks for something. But am very flattered that folks like my stuff. It's a good feeling. I also dabble with poetry. Not paid. I have to tell you something funny. When we were talking about CS spitting for the camera; there was something about Liz's post (403) that just tickled me. I don't know what it was...the way she said it...imagining her as she wrote it...I don't know. It was just one of those simple moments we get for unknown reasons. Anyway, I had a poetic mind dump like you wouldn't believe. I wasn't sure it would be appropriate to post it here. It is clean.
I have friends in Santa Fe, too. One of my fav places on earth! The point I was trying to make is...just let it go and reclaim the space as your own.

I prefer oils, but I work in many mediums. Funny...my fav piece was from bark. LOL

Uhm...we should continue conversations in pms as not to bore others. Thanks!

[closeobserver]

I could not agree more!!!! :clap: What could be more in the BEST INTEREST of Lisa's children than to find out what really happened to their mother? Yes, it will be difficult. Yes, it will be traumatic. Yes, it will be intimidating. BUT...at their age...they can handle it and they WANT to help! They WANT plus DESERVE to know! If *cough* their father had a hand in it...they NEED to know! THIS IS IN THEIR BEST INTEREST!

I don't know why they are hedging on the Grand Jury at this point...other than they really are waiting on more evidence. The perp *coughcs* didn't leave much to take to a GJ. You DO have to possess a case which the GJ will accept.

Even though I suggest they subpeana the kids before the GJ, I understand the hesitation. It is very risky because if the kids are scared of CS and know that saying anything could really make their life miserable, they may clam up. LE may only have one shot using the subpeana and CS knows it. If he allowed them to question them at an advocacy center, LE could learn what they could, then plan a strategy for the GJ, essentially giving them two shots.

Having said that, if LE is convinced that this is the only way to talk to the kids, they need to do it asap. JMO

[SeriouslySearching]

Craig won't let them talk until they are 18. He doesn't want to fry.

[closeobserver]

Hey, close observer, you have indicated previously that you are really close - in fact, I read from your posting that you're probably too close for comfort. Did I read between the lines correctly? Not trying to get you to say how close - I wouldn't either, if I were you. But, if you're that close, perhaps you have an opinion based on observations that you made even before this all came down? If you do, would you share it anonymously? Just curious.

I agree it would be nice to see him sweat. While it's true that one is innocent until proven guilty, my bet is that the court is going to have one heck of a time trying to find jurors that haven't got an opinion on this one!

I really, truly hope that, for the family's sake, this one gets solved. Also, for the neighbors and friends. I'm close, too, but probably not as close as closeobserver.

Been trying to decide how to respond to this, not ignoring you. I don't feel I have anything to add regarding my experiences before Lisa's disappearance that would be of any value to the case. Therefore, I'll leave my personal feelings out and only discuss my feelings based on circumstances surrounding this case. How's that for a political answer?

[Lisa Too]

Been trying to decide how to respond to this, not ignoring you. I don't feel I have anything to add regarding my experiences before Lisa's disappearance that would be of any value to the case. Therefore, I'll leave my personal feelings out and only discuss my feelings based on circumstances surrounding this case. How's that for a political answer?

Sounds like the "politically correct" way to go. Sigh - this case is getting me down. I just wish there'd be some resolution. It's just hard to believe there isn't some hard evidence somewhere, or a witness that can attest as to where Lisa went and with whom.

[SeriouslySearching]

Sounds like the "politically correct" way to go. Sigh - this case is getting me down. I just wish there'd be some resolution. It's just hard to believe there isn't some hard evidence somewhere, or a witness that can attest as to where Lisa went and with whom.
This would either be CS himself or the children who are the only witnesses to attest as to where Lisa went and with whom, IMO. The hard evidence won't be found until they find Lisa. :twocents:

[ByTheBay]

Sounds like the "politically correct" way to go. Sigh - this case is getting me down. I just wish there'd be some resolution. It's just hard to believe there isn't some hard evidence somewhere, or a witness that can attest as to where Lisa went and with whom.

You’re not alone in saying “this case is getting me down”. I think this is the general feeling among all (including myself) that have been following this case. There’s been an eerie silence at many of the forums. I lurked them out of curiosity. Even VoyForum is relatively quiet, smut included. The FLS support page messages have dwindled to an average three over the last two days, and only one at this writing. And, not very many were posted on the previous couple of days. With the investigation being at somewhat of a stalemate (at least in public eye), it’s difficult to say anything. I don’t know how many here post at FLS, but it could sure use a boost.

I'm in total agreeance with SS'ing's reply to you. As frustrating as it is now, I try to take comfort in knowing that CS’s days are numbered in “using” the children as his own personal pawns. And, you can bet LE is busy getting all their ducks in a row in preparation for a grand jury investigation. They’ll probably only get one shot, and have to make it good. It really p****s me off knowing CS is willing to subject the children to that. Albeit they're at an age where they can handle it; it will still be an emotional and frightening experience all the same. Well, we’re talking about CS here. I liken his mentality to a present day group whom I like to refer to as the “me first” society. “What’s in it for “me”? “What about “me”? “What can you do for “me”? “Woe is "me”...etc…etc…etc. Bottom line and no secret: He cares nothing about his own kids or anyone’s feelings. Like I said before, CS has his own selfish agenda. Why should his kids feel good?

[ocean]

wow sounds like everyone is getting frustrated....I heve been walking the parks near silver springs....I still believe that not only cs is involved. I believe that there is a strong possibility that Lisa is up north. I will keep tracking down here though. We must hold on to hope. In the end good will triumph. This case is just in a valley right now. Soon it will peak!

[Lisa Too]

wow sounds like everyone is getting frustrated....I heve been walking the parks near silver springs....I still believe that not only cs is involved. I believe that there is a strong possibility that Lisa is up north. I will keep tracking down here though. We must hold on to hope. In the end good will triumph. This case is just in a valley right now. Soon it will peak!

Ocean, I agree, I think there is an accomplice (CS's dad?) and Lisa is up in the northwoods somewhere, probably in one of those many mines. Not a pretty thought, but at this stage, it's one of the only ones that comes to mind. I hope I'm wrong about this.

[ocean]

Lisa too
I believe you are right. I wish I was a neighbor up there....it would be great to be able to hike those woods. I believe that the truth will come out soon. LE is sharp on this one.....

[Salem]

I'm so disappointed that there is no arrest yet and CS still has the children. I find that so scary.

May the angels watch over them and keep them safe.

Salem

[ocean]

Just read on the FLS website the yard sale raised $2000 over the weekend......

[closeobserver]

Just read on the FLS website the yard sale raised $2000 over the weekend......

I can't get excited about this. The fact is if nobody came forward for $60,000, $62,000 isn't going to force anyone to remember anything new. If, as many suggested, Lisa was killed in her home, stashed, and later moved in the middle of the night, it is very likely that nobody saw or heard anything. That leaves finding her up to chance, which is very unlikely at that point.

As I see it, the money is only going to be good for Craig because now he won't have to fork out any money for their college tuition. Raising money, in my opinion, while it is very thoughtful of volunteers to do this (and I mean no disrespect to their great intentions), is a waste of time and effort.

On the other hand, I don't know what can be done at this point. It seems that there is no new information to be had.

I hate to say it, but I'm beginning to believe that there will be no closure. The evidence has been carefully disposed of and enough doubt has been raised due to a possible boyfriend, workout partner, random abduction, etc., that no jury would see "guilty beyond resonable doubt".

People keep stating that LE has more evidence than we know. But they obviously don't have enough or they wouldn't be sitting on their hands.

The only hope I cling on to is I think it took 5 months before the arrested Scott Peterson. This has been less than 3. I sure hope I'm wrong.

[ocean]

in re. to close observer.. money talks BS walks....childish or?????I believe that cs can keep a secret, and if he is the only one involved then well....the money is worthless in that manner of thought. However one day when Lisa's children look back they will see that a community of strangers cared about them and their family.....the whole world is not like cs.
That is what the volunteers are working at. Never giving up HOPE. I believe the family needs to hear that messege also

[closeobserver]

in re. to close observer.. money talks BS walks....childish or?????I believe that cs can keep a secret, and if he is the only one involved then well....the money is worthless in that manner of thought. However one day when Lisa's children look back they will see that a community of strangers cared about them and their family.....the whole world is not like cs.
That is what the volunteers are working at. Never giving up HOPE. I believe the family needs to hear that messege also

Good point Ocean. I'm just frustrated....extremely. It just makes it uncomfortable in my neighborhood and it can't escape my everyday attention.

[Liz]

<snip> However one day when Lisa's children look back they will see that a community of strangers cared about them and their family.....the whole world is not like cs.
That is what the volunteers are working at. Never giving up HOPE. I believe the family needs to hear that messege also


Wonderfully stated, ocean!

[ocean]

close observer, I understand, we must strive not to lose hope. We lean on one another for strength, we give it to each other. We are dealing with a horrible criminal act and therefor a sick disgusting and vial criminal mind. As I said before we can not think like him(the sick mind) we are going through the emotions of a normal people....we must stay strong and beat down the perp. (mentally) By staying united and strong....he slowly weakens.....STRONG...Good Will win out in the end...

[gogranny]

My first post, I hope I get it correct. I agree. I'm afraid we have another Perry/Arthur March murder. Craig did the deed, called Daddy and Daddy drove to UP to dispose of body in one of the 1,000's of closed coal mines. I hope not, but that is what I fear.

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome, Gogranny! It is something we have discussed here. It certainly is within the realm of possibilities in this case.

There is also speculation his father may have met him that night to transfer and dispose of her body. They were avid "poachers" (I wouldn't use the term hunters after what the officer said in his interview early on.) and they used several mine pits on the father's property to get rid of the animals...so both would know where they could successfully hide a body.

LE has some evidence they are not sharing. The hope is they are slowly and methodically preparing this case so they can present it without a body. I believe once they take it to a Grand Jury, call the children for testimony, and present the evidence...there will be sufficient cause to arrest CS and move forward. We just need to have patience.

[Lisa Too]

Welcome, Gogranny! It is something we have discussed here. It certainly is within the realm of possibilities in this case.

There is also speculation his father may have met him that night to transfer and dispose of her body. They were avid "poachers" (I wouldn't use the term hunters after what the officer said in his interview early on.) and they used several mine pits on the father's property to get rid of the animals...so both would know where they could successfully hide a body.

LE has some evidence they are not sharing. The hope is they are slowly and methodically preparing this case so they can present it without a body. I believe once they take it to a Grand Jury, call the children for testimony, and present the evidence...there will be sufficient cause to arrest CS and move forward. We just need to have patience.

Yes, and there has also been speculation that the elder Stebic owns a tree-cutting business and has done away with the evidence, a la "Fargo" - horrible thought!

[ocean]

Was it ever confirmed about the tree cutting business? Also I noted that there is a boat parked in cs driveway....wonder where that was docked?

[Lisa Too]

Was it ever confirmed about the tree cutting business? Also I noted that there is a boat parked in cs driveway....wonder where that was docked?

Hi Ocean, I never saw any confirmation of the tree cutting business. So, I don't want to start any rumors, but I read that CS's dad had a tree cutting business. Don't know how relliable the source was. Read it on a chat board, might have been on the voy site, which may not be all that reliable, considering it seems there are a bunch of kids on that site who are more interested in talking about sex than the issue at hand - ugh!.

[ocean]

Where was the boat during the execution of the search warrent? Did LE know at that time of its existance? Tarp to truck to boat....back to truck....where has that boat been???

[Lisa Too]

Where was the boat during the execution of the search warrent? Did LE know at that time of its existance? Tarp to truck to boat....back to truck....where has that boat been???

Hmmmm, Ocean, good line of thinking! Good questions...so, maybe he did pull a Scott Peterson!

[fran]

Was it ever confirmed about the tree cutting business? Also I noted that there is a boat parked in cs driveway....wonder where that was docked?

OMyGosh!

Not AGAIN, a (mysterious) boat!?:doh:

I hope LE is checking that boat over very carefully. Let's hope they're as smart as the MPD is!

JMHO
fran

[SeriouslySearching]

If the boat wasn't there during the two searches with warrants...I bet they haven't checked the boat. Interesting.

[closeobserver]

If the boat wasn't there during the two searches with warrants...I bet they haven't checked the boat. Interesting.

I don't thing the boat isn't C.S.'s. It only showed up about 3 weeks ago for a couple of days. I think it was a friends or family member, but I don't know for sure. Other than that, I have never seen it around. I guess it is possible that it is C.S.'s and he keeps it in Michigan, but I don't think so. It certainly wasn't around anywhere near the time of the disappearance.

[ocean]

Close observer, Growing up on LI, NY, with the great south bay as a possibility......suppose cs had it a little south of Plainfield.....even if it isn't his....he has acess to it. IT is in HIS driveway....where was its last location

[fran]

Close observer, Growing up on LI, NY, with the great south bay as a possibility......suppose cs had it a little south of Plainfield.....even if it isn't his....he has acess to it. IT is in HIS driveway....where was its last location

Yeah! Who's boat is it?!

SP had never parked his boat at his house. Even his wife and mom and dad and MIL and FIL didn't know he had a boat!

LE, SW it!!!

JMHO
fran

[closeobserver]

Close observer, Growing up on LI, NY, with the great south bay as a possibility......suppose cs had it a little south of Plainfield.....even if it isn't his....he has acess to it. IT is in HIS driveway....where was its last location

The only time I ever recall seeing the boat in his driveway was the weekend after the 4th. The boat actually showed up on the 5th. I think that is the same weekend that Amy Jacobson got filmed at his house. That means, the boat coincides with C.S.'s sister being in town. I assumed the boat to be his sister's and her husband's, but I'm not sure. I assumed they all went fishing that weekend.

The boat is fairly large and would need to be on a fairly large body of water. It also needs a decent landing to put it in the water. If it were a local boat, I don't see them moving it to his driveway prior to a fishing trip. It just doesn't seem the type of boat that could/would be used for a body dump because it would not be descreet.

Nothing is impossible, though.

[Lisa Too]

The only time I ever recall seeing the boat in his driveway was the weekend after the 4th. The boat actually showed up on the 5th. I think that is the same weekend that Amy Jacobson got filmed at his house. That means, the boat coincides with C.S.'s sister being in town. I assumed the boat to be his sister's and her husband's, but I'm not sure. I assumed they all went fishing that weekend.

The boat is fairly large and would need to be on a fairly large body of water. It also needs a decent landing to put it in the water. If it were a local boat, I don't see them moving it to his driveway prior to a fishing trip. It just doesn't seem the type of boat that could/would be used for a body dump because it would not be descreet.

Nothing is impossible, though.

Except maybe under the cover of darkness?

[closeobserver]

I don't thing the boat isn't C.S.'s. It only showed up about 3 weeks ago for a couple of days. I think it was a friends or family member, but I don't know for sure. Other than that, I have never seen it around. I guess it is possible that it is C.S.'s and he keeps it in Michigan, but I don't think so. It certainly wasn't around anywhere near the time of the disappearance.

Ouch, I'm embarassed by my grammar. I think faster than I type and don't proof read.

[Lisa Too]

Ouch, I'm embarassed by my grammar. I think faster than I type and don't proof read.

No worries, we're all subject to typos and such when hurrying to get a thought out there! I think we all figured it out anyway!

[fran]

Well, no matter who's boat it is or was, LE is probably well aware if it is his and worthy of further inspection.

CS knows LE is watching him so he's going to be very careful what he did. But ya know, it only takes one little tiny mistake to take the whole house of cards down. LE is patient. Very, very, patient.

JMHO
fran

[fran]

FWIW, they say 'money is the root of all evil.' IMHO, that's ONE of the reasons so many of these guys find it more to their benefit to make their wife disappear rather than getting a DIVORCE.

Well, with this new billboard campaign and the $60,000 Reward, perhaps, just perhaps, the RIGHT person will think twice aboutit, and tell LE what they know.

HEY, CRAIG! YOUR DAYS AS A FREE MAN ARE NUMBERED! :bang: tic,toc,tic,toc

JMHO
fran

[ihadcabinfever]

I don't thing the boat isn't C.S.'s. It only showed up about 3 weeks ago for a couple of days. I think it was a friends or family member, but I don't know for sure. Other than that, I have never seen it around. I guess it is possible that it is C.S.'s and he keeps it in Michigan, but I don't think so. It certainly wasn't around anywhere near the time of the disappearance.


LOLOL He's off fishing??????:rolleyes:hope he falls on the tackle box and it's open!! a gaff hook in the arse..............

[SeriouslySearching]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

LOLOL He's off fishing??????:rolleyes:hope he falls on the tackle box and it's open!! a gaff hook in the arse..............

[closeobserver]

I reluctantly refer you all to a post on the voy site, but this was posted by a member of Lisa's family. A lot of it is venom towards the very inconsiderate people on that site, but there is some very interesting insight into C.S. and the investigation.

http://www.voy.com/211695/2836.html?z=1

1. I hope the comment about them getting close is accurate.
2. Very interesting insight from someone that knows Craig....actually quite disturbing

[Lisa Too]

I reluctantly refer you all to a post on the voy site, but this was posted by a member of Lisa's family. A lot of it is venom towards the very inconsiderate people on that site, but there is some very interesting insight into C.S. and the investigation.

http://www.voy.com/211695/2836.html?z=1

1. I hope the comment about them getting close is accurate.
2. Very interesting insight from someone that knows Craig....actually quite disturbing

Wow, CO, nice find. Very interesting...Let's keep our fingers crossed!

[closeobserver]

Does anyone know how I can contact the Greenbergs through e-mail If you have an address, please e-mail me privately. I don't want it out there in the public

[ocean]

Does anyone know how I can contact the Greenbergs through e-mail If you have an address, please e-mail me privately. I don't want it out there in the public
CO Check your messages

[fran]

I reluctantly refer you all to a post on the voy site, but this was posted by a member of Lisa's family. A lot of it is venom towards the very inconsiderate people on that site, but there is some very interesting insight into C.S. and the investigation.

http://www.voy.com/211695/2836.html?z=1

1. I hope the comment about them getting close is accurate.
2. Very interesting insight from someone that knows Craig....actually quite disturbing

Wow! CO, what a find! You're right, it is very, very interesting.

I'm not familiar with this site their talking about and I did not realize there was a group out there saying disparging things about Lisa's blood family. To think that the family suspects what happened to Lisa and that they'll never see her again, and then to have people saying horrible things about them, .............well, imho,.............it reminds be of another case I won't mention which one where there have been the same sort of things said about the victim, the victim's family and friends and it's continued for more than two years.

I don't blame this person for being IRATE! I also don't blame them for speaking up. I'm quite sure they've heard enough of this BS. Good for him!

FWIW, CS's friends can spout off all they want about how smart he is and how calculating and even over 'thinking' his moves. But you know what? There is no school on committing murder. There are 1000's of guys in prisons across this nation, some on Death Row, who thought they were smarter than LE. Their presence in prison is a testament to just how smart they are. CS is not any different. :bang: CS is not any different than SP, Hacking, Peterson(east), and the list goes on and on and on.

CS is on the 'short list' right now before he's caught. He knows it and so do his friends and whoever else it is trying to spread misinformation around about Lisa's family and friends. Their desperation is evidenced by the mere fact they're posting at all.

I pray they catch the person(s) responsible for making Lisa disappear sooner rather than later. But like I said in an earlier post, LE is patient,.....very, very patient.:mad:

JMHO
fran

[ocean]

Wow! CO, what a find! You're right, it is very, very interesting.

I'm not familiar with this site their talking about and I did not realize there was a group out there saying disparging things about Lisa's blood family. To think that the family suspects what happened to Lisa and that they'll never see her again, and then to have people saying horrible things about them, .............well, imho,.............it reminds be of another case I won't mention which one where there have been the same sort of things said about the victim, the victim's family and friends and it's continued for more than two years.

I don't blame this person for being IRATE! I also don't blame them for speaking up. I'm quite sure they've heard enough of this BS. Good for him!

FWIW, CS's friends can spout off all they want about how smart he is and how calculating and even over 'thinking' his moves. But you know what? There is no school on committing murder. There are 1000's of guys in prisons across this nation, some on Death Row, who thought they were smarter than LE. Their presence in prison is a testament to just how smart they are. CS is not any different. :bang: CS is not any different than SP, Hacking, Peterson(east), and the list goes on and on and on.

CS is on the 'short list' right now before he's caught. He knows it and so do his friends and whoever else it is trying to spread misinformation around about Lisa's family and friends. Their desperation is evidenced by the mere fact they're posting at all.

I pray they catch the person(s) responsible for making Lisa disappear sooner rather than later. But like I said in an earlier post, LE is patient,.....very, very patient.:mad:

JMHO
fran
Fran That is why the children are in Iowa....I stand corrected if I am wrong....he is in the house by himself thinking....pondering...the voices are speaking to him LOUD and clear.......

[fran]

Fran That is why the children are in Iowa....I stand corrected if I am wrong....he is in the house by himself thinking....pondering...the voices are speaking to him LOUD and clear.......

Oh, Hi ocean! :)

Thanks for letting me know he doesn't have the kids now. Thank God! At least they're not around him for awhile, to poison their mind.

IMO, beside him being of a devious nature, I also believe him to have a volatile temper and it makes me cringe to think that, especially now the Lisa is no longer there to wreak his hovac, he may now unleash his 'other personality' on the poor innocent children. Notice I didn't say unsuspecting children? Because I believe the children are very well aware of CS's temper and 'behind closed doors personality.'

I was heavily into this case at the beginning, but as it dragged on and nothing happened and so many 'others' have happened since, I admit I haven't been following each step and just pop in from time to time.

I wonder if part of the reason he sent the kids out of state is to insure they're out of the reach of local LE, ie GJ? Part of his 'planning?' It would serve him right if there was some Federal Law with which the FBI would get involved (which I understand they already are anyway), where they filed a 'demand' with his attorney and whoever the children are staying that the children were ordered back to local jurisdiction ASAP. Now THAT would get CS's attention, fershir!!:loser:

JMHO
fran

[ocean]

Oh, Hi ocean! :)

Thanks for letting me know he doesn't have the kids now. Thank God! At least they're not around him for awhile, to poison their mind.

IMO, beside him being of a devious nature, I also believe him to have a volatile temper and it makes me cringe to think that, especially now the Lisa is no longer there to wreak his hovac, he may now unleash his 'other personality' on the poor innocent children. Notice I didn't say unsuspecting children? Because I believe the children are very well aware of CS's temper and 'behind closed doors personality.'

I was heavily into this case at the beginning, but as it dragged on and nothing happened and so many 'others' have happened since, I admit I haven't been following each step and just pop in from time to time.

I wonder if part of the reason he sent the kids out of state is to insure they're out of the reach of local LE, ie GJ? Part of his 'planning?' It would serve him right if there was some Federal Law with which the FBI would get involved (which I understand they already are anyway), where they filed a 'demand' with his attorney and whoever the children are staying that the children were ordered back to local jurisdiction ASAP. Now THAT would get CS's attention, fershir!!:loser:

JMHO
fran

Fran it is w/a heavy heart i say this....but the children are w/his family in Iowa.....seems like he has put distance between Lisa's family and the children....what more can that skell do to this family.....again if my info is wrong, I apol.....do I have to?

I am sure the GJ could order him to produce the children....who knows!

[TGIRecovered]

Fran That is why the children are in Iowa....I stand corrected if I am wrong....he is in the house by himself thinking....pondering...the voices are speaking to him LOUD and clear.......

Wouldn't it be cool if someone could rig a sensor on the Find Lisa billboards that would trigger the theme music from Jaws to come blasting thru Craig's car speakers every time he drives past?! Or maybe a voice like Vincent Price saying "You've only seen the tip of the iceberg, Craiggy-boy! Closer and closer...step by step... inch by inch...Bwahahahaha!"

Susan

[fran]

Fran it is w/a heavy heart i say this....but the children are w/his family in Iowa.....seems like he has put distance between Lisa's family and the children....what more can that skell do to this family.....again if my info is wrong, I apol.....do I have to?

I am sure the GJ could order him to produce the children....who knows!

ocean, no need to apologize, even if your info is wrong, which I doubt. It makes perfect sense that he's keeping the kids from her family.

IMO, we all know the deal, just as he does. He'll get his. I have to believe that. He'll get his. :(

fran

PS....TGIRecovered, I kinda' like the "Jaws" soundtrack. :)

[ocean]

Wouldn't it be cool if someone could rig a sensor on the Find Lisa billboards that would trigger the theme music from Jaws to come blasting thru Craig's car speakers every time he drives past?! Or maybe a voice like Vincent Price saying "You've only seen the tip of the iceberg, Craiggy-boy! Closer and closer...step by step... inch by inch...Bwahahahaha!"

Susan
Now that IS the best idea so far....lets have a funraiser for the JAWS rigging!!!!!W eneed to beat his psychi down!!!

[closeobserver]

A body found in a catch basin in Evanston. I doubt we will be lucky enough, but you never know.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20087823/

Sooner or later, she has to show up and this would be the type of story we will here when she does.

Also saw another article quoting Don Bennet of PPD that importnat lab results are do back

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_211223710.html

[ByTheBay]

A body found in a catch basin in Evanston. I doubt we will be lucky enough, but you never know.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20087823/

Sooner or later, she has to show up and this would be the type of story we will here when she does.

Also saw another article quoting Don Bennet of PPD that importnat lab results are do back

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_211223710.html

Hi CO, I just read about the body find at another site. Geesh, another nail biter.

[LTUlegal]

It's apparently not Lisa.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_214084429.html


Body Had Been In Evanston Catch Basin For 1 Year


(CBS) EVANSTON, Ill. An elderly man's body found in a catch basin in a building in Evanston had been there for a whole year, police said Thursday.
(snipped)

:(

[Lisa Too]

It's apparently not Lisa.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_214084429.html


Body Had Been In Evanston Catch Basin For 1 Year


(CBS) EVANSTON, Ill. An elderly man's body found in a catch basin in a building in Evanston had been there for a whole year, police said Thursday.
(snipped)

:(

How does a body stay in a catch basin for a whole year without anyone noticing? Doesn't the stench give it away? Something stinks about this story.

[chicoliving]

This is getting kinda long so new thread with new title

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