View Full Version : Holloway and Ramsey? Didn't see that one coming......
southernpixie
06-04-2007, 12:20 PM
:waitasec:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277718,00.html
Taximom
06-04-2007, 12:25 PM
There's another thread around here about this.
I don't get it. I mean, I do...but I don't.
It's interesting how tragedy can bring people together and separate them at the same time.
snoopy
06-04-2007, 12:28 PM
:waitasec:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277718,00.html
Wow, that's just weird! I don't remember much about Jug, other than his name, but from what I do remember he seemed to really support Beth and the search for Natalee. I guess the stress of it all was too much. Of course you never know what goes on behind closed doors. And I can't even begin to imagine those closed doors with Beth and Mr. Ramsey!
southernpixie
06-04-2007, 12:30 PM
Sorry if I duplicated the thread - I didn't see the original. I was too busy scratching my head I guess........
nanandjim
06-04-2007, 12:33 PM
There are threads in both the Holloway and JonBenet forums on suspicions that the two were dating. This looks like a "rebound" kind of thing to me (for Beth). I think that it is plain weird and a tragedy in itself.
I have always felt that John Ramsey was involved in the murder of his child. I have always sympathized with Beth in the loss of her child. I guess that Beth thinks that John is innocent. Surely, she knows the rumors that have plagued him for years. I just hope that she isn't setting herself up for more heartache.
Mygirlsadie
06-04-2007, 12:45 PM
He sure didnt waste much time did he?.. Geez..:snooty:
shopper
06-04-2007, 12:46 PM
I don't see how a relationship between these two will work long-term. The world knows that Beth had nothing to do with the disappearance and (probable) death of her daughter. She made a nuisance (rightfully so) of herself trying to find answers and justice for her daughter.
The same can't be said about John.
JMO
BrendaStar
06-04-2007, 01:13 PM
And Patsy just died last December? And John is hot and heavy with Beth?:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:
Jules
06-04-2007, 01:14 PM
And Patsy just died last December? And John is hot and heavy with Beth?:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:
From the article:
Ramsey's wife and JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, died last June of ovarian cancer at the age of 49. Twitty was officially divorced from George "Jug" Twitty in December.
shopper
06-04-2007, 01:26 PM
And Patsy just died last December? And John is hot and heavy with Beth?:waitasec: :waitasec: :waitasec:
That's not uncommon. I've known of a lot of men to get involved very quickly after the death of a wife. Some men just refuse to be alone.
My dh is friends with a man whose wife died and he was dating 2 months to the date of her death. He married that woman about 4-5 months later. It didn't last and he moved on to another woman. Now they're married and he's still miserable but he'd rather that than be alone. I don't get it, but then again, I'm not a man either LOL.
My mother has warned me that if she's the first to die, not to be shocked if my dad has another woman within 6 weeks. She's fine with it and really doesn't even seem to take it personally, or care for that matter.
That's not uncommon. I've known of a lot of men to get involved very quickly after the death of a wife. Some men just refuse to be alone.
My dh is friends with a man whose wife died and he was dating 2 months to the date of her death. He married that woman about 4-5 months later. It didn't last and he moved on to another woman. Now they're married and he's still miserable but he'd rather that than be alone. I don't get it, but then again, I'm not a man either LOL.
My mother has warned me that if she's the first to die, not to be shocked if my dad has another woman within 6 weeks. She's fine with it and really doesn't even seem to take it personally, or care for that matter.
My mom says similar things but my parents are so devoted I can't imagine it. She always says, "It would be a compliment to me that he loved marriage. But it better not be TOO soon!" LOL!
About JR and Beth - strange bedfellows, if you ask me. Will she ever say,"Did you do it? Did P do it?" Wouldn't we love to hear their conversations! Does he date her because she gives him credibility?
Eve
That's not uncommon. I've known of a lot of men to get involved very quickly after the death of a wife. Some men just refuse to be alone.
My dh is friends with a man whose wife died and he was dating 2 months to the date of her death. He married that woman about 4-5 months later. It didn't last and he moved on to another woman. Now they're married and he's still miserable but he'd rather that than be alone. I don't get it, but then again, I'm not a man either LOL.
My mother has warned me that if she's the first to die, not to be shocked if my dad has another woman within 6 weeks. She's fine with it and really doesn't even seem to take it personally, or care for that matter.
My Mom has always said " Women mourn and Men Replace".. in either divorce or death..
Warof2010
06-04-2007, 01:50 PM
Hey, I've also known women that started dating again, while the bodies of their deceased spouses, barely had a chance to get cold. I've also know women, who never left a relatiionship, until they had already started another one.
angarella
06-04-2007, 01:55 PM
Hey, I've also known women that started dating again, while the bodies of their deceased spouses, barely had a chance to get cold. I've also know women, who never left a relatiionship, until they had already started another one.
I know a lot of women like that.
I don't know Beth or John personally, but I personally hate the fact that she is dating him and hope that she is very, very careful....:cool:
shopper
06-04-2007, 01:56 PM
Hey, I've also known women that started dating again, while the bodies of their deceased spouses, barely had a chance to get cold. I've also know women, who never left a relatiionship, until they had already started another one.
I meant nothing disparaging about men moving on quicker than women, just a pattern that I personally have witnessed.
Warof2010
06-04-2007, 02:10 PM
I meant nothing disparaging about men moving on quicker than women, just a pattern that I personally have witnessed.I was just hoping for "fair and balanced." Women seem to outnumber men about 20 to 1 on Websleuths. We men have to get our two cents in occasionally. No harm, no foul.
BrendaStar
06-04-2007, 02:18 PM
Sorry, I didn't realize it has been a year since Patsy left us. :doh: I guess Beth and John can commiserate with each other.
Peter Hamilton
06-04-2007, 02:18 PM
:waitasec:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,277718,00.html--WHAT!?--Beth is dating Ramsey??--Good Lord--She needs a shrink and fast!
Warof2010
06-04-2007, 02:23 PM
Sorry, I didn't realize it has been a year since Patsy left us. :doh: I guess Beth and John can commiserate with each other.Can any of us imagine dating someone who has lost a child under similar circumstances. I can't, there would be too much remorse to attempt to deal with. If it works for both of them, then more power to them, they will probably be good for one another.
misterallgood
06-04-2007, 02:23 PM
This is the most bizarre crime-related news item I've read in lo, many a month.
Wow. What a cheery household that would be. (Not.)
Steve/Mr. A.
close_enough
06-04-2007, 02:27 PM
eeeewwwww!
BrendaStar
06-04-2007, 02:50 PM
I guess a good man is hard to find, but I can't imagine dating John Ramsey under any circumstances. Maybe Beth should try e-harmony.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
T-Rex
06-04-2007, 03:19 PM
Jeeeeeeezus!
A friend just sent me the link, and I was hoping he was kidding!
I really, really feel for Burke and Matt.
NewMom2003
06-04-2007, 03:20 PM
This bothers me that they are dating. I can't really say why either. I mean maybe the man is innocent, maybe not. Who knows. I'm assuming Beth believes he's innocent. There is just something about this that makes me feel icky. :eek:
Paladin
06-04-2007, 03:22 PM
Holy weirdness, Batman!!!
Hey, I've also known women that started dating again, while the bodies of their deceased spouses, barely had a chance to get cold. I've also know women, who never left a relatiionship, until they had already started another one.
Yes I have too.. and in this case it doesnt appear Beth has been mourning for long. However whose to say how long she and Jug had been seperated emotionally etc.. It just seems like these 2 are a very odd couple however I guess they do have some common ground which is more than some couples..
misterallgood
06-04-2007, 03:43 PM
This bothers me that they are dating. I can't really say why either. I mean maybe the man is innocent, maybe not. Who knows. I'm assuming Beth believes he's innocent. There is just something about this that makes me feel icky. :eek:
"Icky."
Exactly. Icky is a very good word for this situation.
Steve/Mr. A.
On 6/4/07 John Ramsey told 9 News that he is not dating Beth Holloway Twitty.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=71327
Snips:
KUSA - Despite recent reports, John Ramsey tells 9NEWS he is not dating Beth Holloway Twitty. On Monday morning he told 9NEWS they do have a special friendship based on tragedy.
Ramsey and Twitty met at a Speaker's Bureau Conference in December of 2006.
"We were introduced for the purpose of sharing one another's experiences and possibly of being of help to one another in two tragic situations," said Ramsey by phone to 9NEWS.
"The tabloid rumors are totally exaggerated. I have great respect for Beth and how she's handled her terrible situation. We've developed a friendship of respect and admiration."
Ramsey lives in Charlevoix, Michigan. Twitty lives in Alabama.
T-Rex
06-04-2007, 04:03 PM
They sure are at cross purposes, media-wise. John shuns the press, and benefits from people who believe in accidents and forgiveness. Beth craves the press, and doesn't believe in accidents or forgiveness.
close_enough
06-04-2007, 04:18 PM
Holy weirdness, Batman!!!
lol...i like that!
i'm with newmom on "icky"....my first response was eewwww, but icky is perfect, for some reason (shudders)
close_enough
06-04-2007, 04:20 PM
They sure are at cross purposes, media-wise. John shuns the press, and benefits from people who believe in accidents and forgiveness. Beth craves the press, and doesn't believe in accidents or forgiveness.
whoa...hmm, hadn't thought of it that way, but you have a point, IMO
OrdinaryLife
06-04-2007, 04:56 PM
On 6/4/07 John Ramsey told 9 News that he is not dating Beth Holloway Twitty.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=71327
Snips:
KUSA - Despite recent reports, John Ramsey tells 9NEWS he is not dating Beth Holloway Twitty. On Monday morning he told 9NEWS they do have a special friendship based on tragedy.
Ramsey and Twitty met at a Speaker's Bureau Conference in December of 2006.
"We were introduced for the purpose of sharing one another's experiences and possibly of being of help to one another in two tragic situations," said Ramsey by phone to 9NEWS.
"The tabloid rumors are totally exaggerated. I have great respect for Beth and how she's handled her terrible situation. We've developed a friendship of respect and admiration."
Ramsey lives in Charlevoix, Michigan. Twitty lives in Alabama.
Thank you, Jean (*LOVE* the name, btw!) for this link.
To be honest, this simply seems to me like more fodder for many to chew on with no factual back-up. This rumor has been around on the other nasty anti-NH/BHT websites for some time now. Whatever, whatever, whatever....
I am already gone from this gossip crap. NH and the whole Holloway-Twitty (yeah, I know Beth is divorced now...just making it posting simple) deserve more than this. Much more than this. This family (Beth especially) have gone through so much nasty rumors, slanders, accusations as human and grieving families. Will it ever end??? Obviously not.
Blessings and strength to all who are family and friends of Natalee. Two years and it still just keeps on coming. :(
OrdinaryLife
06-04-2007, 05:04 PM
They sure are at cross purposes, media-wise. John shuns the press, and benefits from people who believe in accidents and forgiveness. Beth craves the press, and doesn't believe in accidents or forgiveness.
Right. The woman keeps her missing daughter in the press every chance she can and she craves the press. :rolleyes:
I know how I would be if my sons or daughters went missing *anywhere* and I KNOW I would put BHT to shame. Proudly. My child/children are everything to me and I would do everything/anything possible to keep them in the media. Period.
Love knows no bounderies and it worth the judgement against myself for my beloveds.
Just my very humble opinion, of course....
nanandjim
06-04-2007, 07:09 PM
Right. The woman keeps her missing daughter in the press every chance she can and she craves the press. :rolleyes:
I know how I would be if my sons or daughters went missing *anywhere* and I KNOW I would put BHT to shame. Proudly. My child/children are everything to me and I would do everything/anything possible to keep them in the media. Period.
Love knows no bounderies and it worth the judgement against myself for my beloveds.
Just my very humble opinion, of course....
I agree with you, totally. Any loving mother would want her child back. Any loving mother would do anything possible to get answers. How anyone can criticize or fault Beth for what she has done or what she is doing is beyond me. From observation, it appears that women make the harshest judgments about Beth. Go figure... :rolleyes:
arielilane
06-04-2007, 07:14 PM
Thank you, Jean (*LOVE* the name, btw!) for this link.
To be honest, this simply seems to me like more fodder for many to chew on with no factual back-up. This rumor has been around on the other nasty anti-NH/BHT websites for some time now. Whatever, whatever, whatever....
I am already gone from this gossip crap. NH and the whole Holloway-Twitty (yeah, I know Beth is divorced now...just making it posting simple) deserve more than this. Much more than this. This family (Beth especially) have gone through so much nasty rumors, slanders, accusations as human and grieving families. Will it ever end??? Obviously not.
Blessings and strength to all who are family and friends of Natalee. Two years and it still just keeps on coming. :(Thank you Data05, for a great post! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Beth is a strong and amazing woman. She has my utmost respect for her tenacity!
STEADFAST
06-04-2007, 07:35 PM
To be honest, this simply seems to me like more fodder for many to chew on with no factual back-up. This rumor has been around on the other nasty anti-NH/BHT websites for some time now. Whatever, whatever, whatever....
I am already gone from this gossip crap. NH and the whole Holloway-Twitty (yeah, I know Beth is divorced now...just making it posting simple) deserve more than this. Much more than this. This family (Beth especially) have gone through so much nasty rumors, slanders, accusations as human and grieving families. Will it ever end??? Obviously not.
Blessings and strength to all who are family and friends of Natalee. Two years and it still just keeps on coming. :(
In complete agreement with you, Data. The anti-Natalee and Beth websites (can you believe there even are such hateful things?) will jump with both feet on anything that they perceive as diminishing Beth. These sites represent only a small handful of people, though, and are insignificant to say the least.
Marthatex
06-04-2007, 08:37 PM
Hey, I've also known women that started dating again, while the bodies of their deceased spouses, barely had a chance to get cold. I've also know women, who never left a relatiionship, until they had already started another one.
And you would think men would be smart enough to run from those types. (but I don't live in California) :)
I haven't known too many women like that myself, but I have known of men who marry or find a companion again quickly enough to raise a few eyebrows.
I can also see that if a person were not in a very happy relationship to begin with, then they would move into "something new" more quickly. Male or female.
Malapoo
06-04-2007, 08:47 PM
A woman I know had married her high school sweetheart and they were always so loving. Just the person of each other's dreams. He had cancer and battled bravely but died when the auto blood transfusion failed. She was dating quite seriously within several months (a coworker who had apparently always had a "thing" for her) and engaged in less then a year and now married. It always bothers me a bit. How do you go from "love of your life" dying and then remarried within a year?
Marthatex
06-04-2007, 09:19 PM
A woman I know had married her high school sweetheart and they were always so loving. Just the person of each other's dreams. He had cancer and battled bravely but died when the auto blood transfusion failed. She was dating quite seriously within several months (a coworker who had apparently always had a "thing" for her) and engaged in less then a year and now married. It always bothers me a bit. How do you go from "love of your life" dying and then remarried within a year?
I can't imagine. On the other hand, "life is for the living", and you have to go on. There's no use living a life of misery.
Some women need the financial security. Maybe it depends on your age, too. I definitely would prefer to remain single, maybe forever. I wouldn't mind having a companion for movies, dancing or parties, etc.
My happiest moments are with a book. :)
T-Rex
06-05-2007, 12:08 AM
I guess I'm just cynical she hasn't used any of her clout to advocate for missing persons right there in Birmingham Alabama. She's rippped a whole country apart in the media, but doesn't have a whole lot to say about what's going on right there in her backyard.
JBean
06-05-2007, 12:18 AM
So I guess it is safe to assume that Beth is an IDI?
philamena
06-05-2007, 12:56 AM
So I guess it is safe to assume that Beth is an IDI?
bwaaaaaa I'd say so, JBean.:p
dingo
06-05-2007, 01:33 AM
So I guess it is safe to assume that Beth is an IDI?Shes apparently not a borg.
txsvicki
06-05-2007, 01:49 AM
They sure are at cross purposes, media-wise. John shuns the press, and benefits from people who believe in accidents and forgiveness. Beth craves the press, and doesn't believe in accidents or forgiveness.
Who is Beth supposed to forgive or even know if what happened to her daughter was premeditated, manslaughter, etc. ? Good thing law enforcement doesn't always just give up and forgive or we'd all be in big trouble and some in no trouble at all.
Bobbisangel
06-05-2007, 02:39 AM
I don't see anything wrong with Beth and Mr. Ramsey being friends. If something more should develop in time then maybe it is meant to be...who knows. I've never believed that John or Patsy had anything to do with JonBenet's death so I see him in the same situation as Beth with both of their daughters dead and not a clue so far of who did it. I can also see how that would bring them together in a close friendship. Kissing and holding hands seems like a little more then friendship though..lol.
Peter Hamilton
06-05-2007, 07:15 AM
So I guess it is safe to assume that Beth is an IDI?--lol--guess so JBean--I guess there is still a few of those around
When I heard this news, the ick factor flag went UP UP UP, but then I got to thinking about it and who am I to judge these people? Oh, I know, that's what we do around here, but they've both suffered a lot of tragedy in their lives and if being together helps 'em get through, it's OK, I guess. I know one thing for sure, I WOULDN'T CHOOSE EITHER ONE OF 'EM TO SPEND TIME WITH!!!
gaia:cool:
On 6/4/07 John Ramsey told 9 News that he is not dating Beth Holloway Twitty.
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=71327
Snips:
KUSA - Despite recent reports, John Ramsey tells 9NEWS he is not dating Beth Holloway Twitty. On Monday morning he told 9NEWS they do have a special friendship based on tragedy.
Ramsey and Twitty met at a Speaker's Bureau Conference in December of 2006.
"We were introduced for the purpose of sharing one another's experiences and possibly of being of help to one another in two tragic situations," said Ramsey by phone to 9NEWS.
"The tabloid rumors are totally exaggerated. I have great respect for Beth and how she's handled her terrible situation. We've developed a friendship of respect and admiration."
Ramsey lives in Charlevoix, Michigan. Twitty lives in Alabama.
Now this sounds more like what is really going on. THIS, I believe.
Thank you for the link, Jean.
JMHO
fran
Seeker
06-05-2007, 02:31 PM
I wonder what happened to my post? I posted yesterday that John said in an interview that he and Beth were "just friends" and how we all know what a pathological liar he is and it vanished?
He has lied about things forever and it's documented. Now people say he and Beth have been seen in public smooching and holding hands and he's saying "oh we're just friends"....
Yeah, right John, and there really was a well dressed black intruder that tied you into your bathroom in Atlanta too...:rolleyes:
JBean
06-05-2007, 03:04 PM
--lol--guess so JBean--I guess there is still a few of those around
I am one!!! But I still wouldn't date JR lol.
narlacat
06-05-2007, 05:53 PM
I wonder what happened to my post? I posted yesterday that John said in an interview that he and Beth were "just friends" and how we all know what a pathological liar he is and it vanished?
He has lied about things forever and it's documented. Now people say he and Beth have been seen in public smooching and holding hands and he's saying "oh we're just friends"....
Yeah, right John, and there really was a well dressed black intruder that tied you into your bathroom in Atlanta too...:rolleyes:
lol- as if, after your daughter being brutally murdered in your own home, you would leave the alarm off again.
JR is full of ****- ('sxcuse the french but he is)
robinparten
06-05-2007, 06:13 PM
A woman I know had married her high school sweetheart and they were always so loving. Just the person of each other's dreams. He had cancer and battled bravely but died when the auto blood transfusion failed. She was dating quite seriously within several months (a coworker who had apparently always had a "thing" for her) and engaged in less then a year and now married. It always bothers me a bit. How do you go from "love of your life" dying and then remarried within a year?
I have heard it said that people who have had loving, good marriages want to find it again, they had such a good experience that they want to find that sort of companionship again.
My own husband was married before we met, and his first wife died of cancer. He loved her dearly, she was his college sweetheart. But we met and started dating six months after she died.
pedinurse
06-05-2007, 06:29 PM
ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww!
i can't believe that beth would sleep with him. ewwwww!
excuse me while i go take a shower to wash the ickyness off of me AND find myself some hard liquor so I can drink until I foget I ever heard about this. ew!
narlacat
06-05-2007, 08:11 PM
Is Beth blonde? (excuse my ignorance)
Geez Patsy was only dead, what- a year? actually, surprised it took him that long-
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