Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 4

[Jeana (DP)]

Continue here please

[Shazza]

My daily visit to see if there is any news.

[SeriouslySearching]

Here are the links to the prior threads. It makes it easier to review if they are posted near the top on the new ones.

Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49855)
Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49652)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/paperclip.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=60&page=3&order=desc#) Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49339)

[fifi]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070613/tuk-portugal-britain-crime-a7ad41d.html

[Shazza]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/afp/20070613/tuk-portugal-britain-crime-a7ad41d.html

This doesnt look good, I hope and pray the letter is a hoax. And also on this link are some stories about the parents hiring PR companys etc, just confirms that the parents acts are unjustified.

Lets us all pray this letter is a hoax.

[curves]

Oh no. I hope this isn't true.

[SeriouslySearching]

If this story is true about the Belgian girls, I would think a hoax in this case would be a long shot. This is not a good sign.

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=1&story_id=40818

Story on the Belgian girls: http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=31197

[CarpeDiem]

Why are the tipsters sending the letter to the newspaper? I assume for publicity, and they got it. Interesting it is a newspaper in Amsterdam, where the McCann's just visited. I guess five/six weeks out the tipster must be pretty sure there is no evidence left. :mad:


Stacy and Nathalie:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/06/23/wbelg23.xml

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=31197

[Jdee]

Here's some news but I am not sure I believe this guy..

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007270242,00.html

[Jdee]

Breaking news has hit Sky News

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270362,00.html

"Portuguese police have started investigating an area just nine miles from where Madeleine McCann was abducted after a tip off from a Dutch source."

[CarpeDiem]

Breaking news has hit Sky News

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270362,00.html

"Portuguese police have started investigating an area just nine miles from where Madeleine McCann was abducted after a tip off from a Dutch source."

Thanks Jdee, just nine miles away. :eek:

[petra]

Ah............Jdee

Beat me too it----

Thanks...going back to read the story and stay tuned by live feed-

SSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO SAD:mad:

[petra]

More news about Day 41 Missing--Includes all Madeleine articles from skynews.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1270251,00.html

[petra]

SKYNEWS HOME PAGE--which will cover breaking news-as it develops


http://news.sky.com/skynews/home

[Shamrock]

It doesn't sound good but I'm still praying for good news.

[petra]

It doesn't sound good but I'm still praying for good news.

Yeah, I am sure hoping it is a false lead.

This pedio- The Frenchman is one sicko monster.

[Jdee]

This doesn't look good .. I hope they can trace whoever sent the letter to where to look!

[CarpeDiem]

This doesn't look good .. I hope they can trace whoever sent the letter to where to look!

Could it be simply be a Dutch psychic? The letter in the cases of Stacy and Nathalie was off just a little on where they were found, but they searched the area because of it.

[petra]

This doesn't look good .. I hope they can trace whoever sent the letter to where to look!

Believe me--interpol knows all about this *tipster* and the child abduction-sexual predator rings tied to Bel-Lux, Netherlands and Morocco.

...as well as all heavy weight organizations and Scotland Yard special forces have been working this case, as well as too many other snatched children and women not given the same press coverage.


Note the timing of the tipsters letter to the news media. Waited to the family stepped back a bit. They are playing head games with this case.


Pros who have been doing it a long time. Bunch of monsters- I wish they could catch them red handled and get them off Planet Earth.

[s_finch]

Believe me--interpol knows all about this *tipster* and the child abduction-sexual predator rings tied to Bel-Lux, Netherlands and Morocco.

...as well as all heavy weight organizations and Scotland Yard special forces have been working this case, as well as too many other snatched children and women not given the same press coverage.


Note the timing of the tipsters letter to the news media. Waited to the family stepped back a bit. They are playing head games with this case.


Pros who have been doing it a long time. Bunch of monsters- I wish they could catch them red handled and get them off Planet Earth.

No offense Petra, but how do you know they "know" about this tipster? Is this some European common knowledge those of us in the USA aren't familiar with? Thanks!

[CarpeDiem]

Good points petra. Freaks me out though, what a forked up world.

[Thrs0806]

Does anyone know what happened to the suspect in the Belguim girls case? It seems strange to me that a "tipster" has valid info on the location of the bodies of both cases unless they were somehow related.

I'm praying that this lead does not turn out to be true. I'm still praying for a happy ending to this case even though after 41 days it is not looking good.

The other story today about "The Frenchman" is unsettling news to me also. It gives us hope that she might still be alive but the horrors she must be living thru!

I'm holding my breath today, praying for the best but preparing for the worst. I want this mystery solved and Madeleine found but I don't like the sound of either of these leads today.

[petra]

Could it be simply be a Dutch psychic? The letter in the cases of Stacy and Nathalie was off just a little on where they were found, but they searched the area because of it.

Perhaps. Although the timing leads me to believe it may be more.
IMOO-I could be wrong.

[CarpeDiem]

Does anyone know what happened to the suspect in the Belguim girls case? It seems strange to me that a "tipster" has valid info on the location of the bodies of both cases unless they were somehow related.



As of Monday, he is still in jail, claiming he is innocent.

[s_finch]

Believe me--interpol knows all about this *tipster* and the child abduction-sexual predator rings tied to Bel-Lux, Netherlands and Morocco.

...as well as all heavy weight organizations and Scotland Yard special forces have been working this case, as well as too many other snatched children and women not given the same press coverage.


Note the timing of the tipsters letter to the news media. Waited to the family stepped back a bit. They are playing head games with this case.


Pros who have been doing it a long time. Bunch of monsters- I wish they could catch them red handled and get them off Planet Earth.

One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.

OK, back to Maddie. My prayers for her family and for her.

[petra]

No offense Petra, but how do you know they "know" about this tipster? Is this some European common knowledge those of us in the USA aren't familiar with? Thanks!

No offense taken. LOL--sounded strange how I wrote that.:)

I work for Save the Children. Have worked for years in Eastern Europe with sex-trade division. Will leave it at that, if that is okay.

Am now working in a slightly different specialty in a different location.

DH also involved through doc without borders.

[CarpeDiem]

One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.



Because people want to believe "Not here, not in my city". It's the worst case scenario for parents.

[Jdee]

Could it be simply be a Dutch psychic? The letter in the cases of Stacy and Nathalie was off just a little on where they were found, but they searched the area because of it.


I forgot about those Psychics. Could be. I feel though that if they are actually over there pocking around in rocks then there has to be some valid credence to the tip.

[CarpeDiem]

No offense taken. LOL--sounded strange how I wrote that.:)

I work for Save the Children. Have worked for years in Eastern Europe with sex-trade division. Will leave it at that, if that is okay.

Am now working in a slightly different specialty in a different location.

DH also involved through doc without borders.

Petra, have you heard much about the Ricky Martin Foundation? Do they have a good reputation in your work community?

http://www.rickymartinfoundation.com/english/default.aspx

[s_finch]

[quote=petra;1530079]No offense taken. LOL--sounded strange how I wrote that.:)

I work for Save the Children. Have worked for years in Eastern Europe with sex-trade division. Will leave it at that, if that is okay.

Am now working in a slightly different specialty in a different location.

DH also involved through doc without borders.[/quote


Thank you for not being offended :) and thanks for your background. Not sure how to pm anyone, but I'm going to try to send you one. Thanks again!

[Jdee]

[quote=s_finch;1530076]One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.

I dunno.. I believe pedo-rings are as rampant in Europe as they are in the US.

[petra]

One more question, and this one is for everyone. IF it is understood that Europe has pedo-rings, then why do so many in the USA refuse to believe there are pedo-rings operating here? No one doubts there are prostitution rings in most nations, no one doubts there are mob families in most nations---what is really the difference between those and pedo-rings? They all provide (sickening as it is) a service in return for financial gain.

OK, back to Maddie. My prayers for her family and for her.

Good question s_finch. I guess no country wants to admit that there are such horrendoues things going on in their own backyard.

And all this internet child porn-pedo ring busts happening worldwide-USA included.
Someone is getting pics and profit from somewhere. You are so right.

Comes down to the amount of press attention this serious problem gets. IMO
We are now experiencing our first big case in Norway.....has been going on for more than 10-20 yrs. and it is just slowly coming out in the press. People just simply do not want to believe it happened. Having a hard time getting victims to come forth to prosecute the scum.

[s_finch]

Good question s_finch. I guess no country wants to admit that there are such horrendoues things going on in their own backyard.

And all this internet child porn-pedo ring busts happening worldwide-USA included.
Someone is getting pics and profit from somewhere. You are so right.

Comes down to the amount of press attention this serious problem gets. IMO
We are now experiencing our first big case in Norway.....has been going on for more than 10-20 yrs. and it is just slowly coming out in the press. People just simply do not want to believe it happened. Having a hard time getting victims to come forth to prosecute the scum.


Norway??? You're kidding! (My grandmother was 100% Norweigian--seems like such a peaceful, idyllic country)

[Jdee]

you know I was just thinking.. there was an article on Sky last week (can't find it now) where they interviewed a crime expert and he said something to the effect most likely Madeleine was taken by a pedo and after used would most likely be dumped very near where she was taken. I pray this guy's scenerio is not coming true!

[petra]

Petra, have you heard much about the Ricky Martin Foundation? Do they have a good reputation in your work community?

http://www.rickymartinfoundation.com/english/default.aspx

Yes, Ricky and his foundation have a very good rep. They are a recently started group, IIRC. And I believe work solely out of Puerto Rico-unless they have expanded. They do good work.

It is great to see Ricky Martin do something so worthwhile with his fame--such a good and decent man. I believe he no longer has the time or desire to do public performances and donates all of his private gig money to his foundation. (Besides being so talented and good looking!:innocent: )

Kudos to Ricky, indeed.

[CarpeDiem]

Thanks Petra. :clap: We know a lot of Ricky fans.


This latest development is getting a ton of press, like we haven't had in a few weeks. A few more details here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/13/missing.mccann/

[petra]

you know I was just thinking.. there was an article on Sky last week (can't find it now) where they interviewed a crime expert and he said something to the effect most likely Madeleine was taken by a pedo and after used would most likely be dumped very near where she was taken. I pray this guy's scenerio is not coming true!

Here are some possible links-


http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,91210-1269761,.html

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/fullscr?videoRef=http://skynews-clips.videoloungetv.com/public/skynews/latest/flash/hames_brunt_p8390.flv

[Jdee]

oh Carpediem.. the title on that article is awful! It reads like they have already found her! I read it and my heart lept!

[petra]

Thanks Petra. :clap: We know a lot of Ricky fans.


This latest development is getting a ton of press, like we haven't had in a few weeks. A few more details here:

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/13/missing.mccann/

Oh yes, I am one of those Ricky fans too. Great man doing really great things for kids.:)


from article you posted---SNIPPET

A Dutch police spokesman said: "On Monday De Telegraaf received a letter from an anonymous sender which contained information about where Madeleine McCann may be.
"The letter included a map of the area where the sender claims she is. The newspaper handed the letter over to the police on Tuesday and immediate forensic tests were carried out.
"Today (Wednesday) the police sent the letter and the forensic report over to the Portuguese Police for immediate investigation. The sender is unknown and there has not been any further correspondence from the sender with the newspaper or the police. We take this case very seriously.''
According to De Telegraaf, the letter said Madeleine was buried "north of the road under branches and rocks, around six to seven meters off the road" in a barren and deserted landscape.
A map came with the letter, with crosses marked on it. ........SNIP

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The powers that be are taking this seriously enough to investigate for almost two days before letting PT LE proceed. Interesting. I wonder if the PT police are allowing other law enforcement to help with the search.
That would be very wise...imoo:silenced:

[CarpeDiem]

Strange, if she's there, what's taking so long in any news coming out?

I just went to the official Maddie site to see if there is any news there, that quote they have used since early on has new meaning today, "Madeleine's Fund : Leaving No Stone Unturned". :eek:

[petra]

Strange, if she's there, what's taking so long in any news coming out?

I just went to the official Maddie site to see if there is any news there, that quote they have used since early on has new meaning today, "Madeleine's Fund : Leaving No Stone Unturned". :eek:

Erieee about the quote.

Don't forget about the PT style of criminal investigation. No public news about ongoing investigations. Hope they are keeeping others informed like interpol, the yard and British police--who will hopefully still be in close contact with the parents. What a living nightmare for them!

The story of the letter and today's search even made the front page of the aftenposten--norge's major paper. They haven't carried any news on this since a blurb right after the abduction.:rolleyes:

Of course, the unfolding large child abuse story here is already off the front pages-and I couldn't find it at all after just 2 days :razz:

Praying for Madeleine and family.

[petra]

I forgot about those Psychics. Could be. I feel though that if they are actually over there pocking around in rocks then there has to be some valid credence to the tip.

Yup CD and Jdee....letter from Dutch psychic.....PT not taking seriously:(

.....from updated skynews link.........snippet



Local Translator Gaynor Jesus told Sky News: "For the moment Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa has told me there will be no police activity as the area pinpointed is not specific enough to justify this.
"Apparently the letter came from a medium who pinpointed the location of two murdered Belgian girls - I think this is the reason for such credibility.
"But in Portugal mediums' reports are filed away unless they have something specific police can go on - they have received hundreds reports.
"They are treating this report with extreme caution."
Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa added: "We are checking the information like we check everything in this case for importance."
Meanwhile, Madeleine's family announced that hundreds of yellow ribbons, cuddly toys and messages of support left at a memorial for Madeleine McCann are to be cleared away.

[CarpeDiem]

Too bad Texas Equisearch can't go over there.

[philamena]

This latest news doesn't good. :(

[CarpeDiem]

This link says they sealed off the area, and nothing else. :banghead:

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1469180.mostviewed.breaking_news_p olice_receive_madeleine_tip_off.php

[Salem]

This lastest news has had my heart in my throat a couple of times.

I would like to say thank you to everyone who responded to my post about the word "grief", especially to the one that explained that the word may be used differently in Britian than it is in the states. Made me feel better overall.

Now - I was surprised when I read all the articles and the Portugese police still had not started a ground search, and now they are not going too!!!! :mad: I'm very glad I do not live there.

Can the parents organize their own search? They don't need police permission, do they? If it was me, I would already be out there. I would never have waited to see where the letter came from. It seems to me, this is one of those things you can act on immediately, especially after weeks with no new leads.

Also, I am amazed about the lack of police interaction with the woman from Morraco. What the heck is that? No one has interviewed her to this day. She finally sent in some written statement:eek:

Either the police, including Interpol, know something about this woman or they are being completely irresponsible. The whole Morraco thing has me extremely puzzled.

Time for a ground search! If I could get there, I would do it myself! I'm hoping the parents have enough family and friends still in Portugal with them, to go take a look.

Prayers for Maddie, may she come home soon!

Salem

[Salem]

This link says they sealed off the area, and nothing else. :banghead:

http://www.thisisthenortheast.co.uk/mostpopular.var.1469180.mostviewed.breaking_news_p olice_receive_madeleine_tip_off.php

Well - at least they are doing something! I'm hoping its because the parents are putting up a hugh fuss over the PP's lack of follow through!

I guess this means the parents wouldn't be able to conduct their own search though, so the PP better do it or I am writing to their ministry for tourism and letting them know that I will never step foot in or spend a dime in their country and I am warning everyone I know about their "police force.":mad:

[petra]

Salem--this news has me jumpy too. I hope the family gets answers soon. But my wish is for Madeleine to come home safe. I am sick at the thought
of the latest developments.

PT police and their bylaws are truely unique. :silenced: :silenced: imo

I sure hope they are inviting others to participate in the search, but I fear not. :banghead: It has to be so frustrating for the family and other LE.

[CarpeDiem]

Well - at least they are doing something! I'm hoping its because the parents are putting up a hugh fuss over the PP's lack of follow through!

I guess this means the parents wouldn't be able to conduct their own search though, so the PP better do it or I am writing to their ministry for tourism and letting them know that I will never step foot in or spend a dime in their country and I am warning everyone I know about their "police force.":mad:

The same chief in charge of Maddie's case was just charged with beating the mother of another missing child. The Mother is in jail but the child has yet to be found:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272613983.shtml

[CaliKid]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1913175.ece

This is bizarre!

[petra]

I thought I would post this snippet from the previous linked skynews article. I thought it reflects well how this family reacts in their manner of speech and decourum--comments from great-uncle versus comments from local woman. I found it interesting.


SNIPPET

Madeleine's great uncle, Brian Kennedy, said: "We are aware that the huge response to the loss of our great-niece Madeleine has changed the appearance of Cross Green in the centre of Rothley for several weeks now.
"We would like to restore the Green to something approaching normality, whilst acknowledging the kindness shown by so many people."
Mr Kennedy said the family hoped to initially clear seats around the green and to move as many of the donated toys as possible to a good home for other children.
He said: "Madeleine's relatives are particularly concerned that this should not be seen as in any way giving up hope, that she will be found and returned to us as soon as possible, and the search for her is continuing intensively.
"However, we do not want the kind people of Rothley and our visitors to lose the use of their important space.
"All the cards and messages will be stored carefully to await the family's return and some have been sent to them already."
Pub landlady Valerie Armstrong, who arranged for well-wishers to tie yellow ribbons to railings around Cross Green monument, said the process would begin at the weekend.
She said: "It's not a negative thing, we are going to do it bit by bit.
"It's definitely not a sign of us giving up hope. It's just the practical side of it. We need to free up some of the benches. The yellow ribbons are staying."

[petra]

The same chief in charge of Maddie's case was just charged with beating the mother of another missing child. The Mother is in jail but the child has yet to be found:

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272613983.shtml

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1913175.ece

This is bizarre!


:doh: :doh: :banghead: What a cruel twist of events in the midst of this search!!!

Outlandish................

[Salem]

Makes you wonder if the local Portugese police force is involved in a "pedo" ring, doesn't it.

I can't imagine be tortured into confessing to such a horrible crime. The poor woman. It also makes it very difficult to put any faith into the conviction and makes it look as those they tortured her to confess to save their own hides. Very sad.

[petra]

New article from skynews about 'How are the McCanns Coping Now?? with the latest updates.

:eek: I would be heavily sedated at best. Bless them.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270441,00.html

[petra]

Makes you wonder if the local Portugese police force is involved in a "pedo" ring, doesn't it.

I can't imagine be tortured into confessing to such a horrible crime. The poor woman. It also makes it very difficult to put any faith into the conviction and makes it look as those they tortured her to confess to save their own hides. Very sad.

Wow....you bring up a good point there. Maybe some of the PT police are!

:( imoo

[CaliKid]

This whole thing has smelled bad from the very beginning. You look at the pictures of Gerry and Kate McCann in Morocco, and they are almost as far away from each other as they can get and still hold hands. Their body language says they aren't leaning on each other for moral support.

I don't know what to believe anymore. I hope Madeleine is found soon.

[Helper]

A Dutch newspaper has received an anonymous letter purportedly disclosing the location of Madeleine's remains. The same paper received a similar letter before regarding another murder, and the information turned out to be accurate.

[Helper]

Sorry. I see that my report is old news, going back to post #39. Excuse me for not looking back far enough.

[Jdee]

so the way I am reading it... is this new lead was a tip from a psychic that in the past helped recover two missing girls... and the police are not taking it seriously? Is that right?
You know it was said back a couple of weeks ago in the paper that the criminal here could come out later posing as a psychic with valid info. I hope they at least take a look at the area. I agree with someone else here who said if it were them they would be out there looking. I would.. as bad as it could be... I would be lookin. Closure must come here.

[Shazza]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=273086

Here is a snippet from the Australian Media.

[Shazza]

Sorry about my previous post, I see there is similar information posted earlier, but it goes to show this case is back in the headlines, but hoping that it is not true.
Still praying for Madelaines safe return.

I dont understand why the witness at the petrol station was not investigated further. There has always been something not quite right with this case right from the beginning.

[Jdee]

I agree Shazza. Too many missing links.

[CarpeDiem]

so the way I am reading it... is this new lead was a tip from a psychic that in the past helped recover two missing girls... and the police are not taking it seriously? Is that right?
You know it was said back a couple of weeks ago in the paper that the criminal here could come out later posing as a psychic with valid info. I hope they at least take a look at the area. I agree with someone else here who said if it were them they would be out there looking. I would.. as bad as it could be... I would be lookin. Closure must come here.

Interesting the psychic or whomever it is, doesn't want any kind of personal notoriety, it was sent anonymously (or are they still getting it?). Yet, they send the detailed tip to a major media outlet that will give it press. Is it too noble to suggest that this tipster wants to make sure it isn't swept under the rug from the police? I want to know from the Dutch paper if these are the only two times they have been sent info from this source. How often are they right or very close to it? Also interesting it was kept secret for 48 hours and as soon as the story gets out, everyone is now carrying it. The Today show is doing another segment on Maddie tomorrow and this new tip.

[Salem]

I dont understand why the witness at the petrol station was not investigated further. There has always been something not quite right with this case right from the beginning.

~Snip~
Ollim complained that when she returned to Spain and first heard about the girl disappearing from a resort in southern Portugal, she had a hard time getting the attention of authorities in Spain and Britain, and finally was able to send a written report to Portuguese police. ~snip ~

I so agree Shazza. The only things I can figure are that:
1. The police know this woman from previous encounters and do not take her seriously
2. The police are relatively sure this sighting never happened
3. The police have "ulterior" reasons for not wanting/needing to talk to this witness
a. members of the PP force are somehow involved and they don't really want to catch the perp
b. the parents are suspected
c. they know who did it and the sighting is immaterial
4. The police are being incredibily irresponsible.

And then she only gets to send a written report to the PP. What about Interpol? I thought they were involved in this search also.

I understand the parents were led to believe that the woman was thoroughly interviewed, etc. This is a very good reason why the parents should have hired a private investigator from the get go.

I'm practically holding my breath waiting for news that they are actually, physically inspecting the area identified in the letter.

Prayers for Maddie,
Salem

[Jdee]

Oddly enough I read on that site with that Brian guy that does the psychic dreams said from the get go to not trust the police and search in the immeidate area without letting the police know. It suggested a cover up....Creepy....

[Salem]

I find it interesting that the information was sent to a Dutch newspaper also. Why not British? I'm pretty sure I know why not Portugese:innocent:

Do you think the Dutch laws are so different, there would be some type of safeguard there? I don't know what......... can you get in trouble for sending things to a newspaper.

I think the idea that the letter writer did not want the message to get swept under the rug has a lot of merit. I think news of the letter reached the public, if not before, then simultanously with it reaching the PP.

We must not be the only ones frustrated with the way things work in Portugal.

PLEASE, please, please let them go search that site, NOW, NOW, NOW!

Salem

Oh - by the way....Helper, it is okay to repeat news. Your messages were "red alerts" for anyone who had not read the previous couple of pages!:)

[Salem]

Oddly enough I read on that site with that Brian guy that does the psychic dreams said from the get go to not trust the police and search in the immeidate area without letting the police know. It suggested a cover up....Creepy....

I read that too. He also said Interpol should act without the PP. Not only creepy, its sad too, that you can not put your trust in those that are supposed to be helping you. Especially in a situation like this, where you have a lost child, in a strange country, with a strange language, etc. etc. Did Maddie speak Portugese?

[CarpeDiem]

I think the idea that the letter writer did not want the message to get swept under the rug has a lot of merit. I think news of the letter reached the public, if not before, then simultanously with it reaching the PP.

We must not be the only ones frustrated with the way things work in Portugal.

PLEASE, please, please let them go search that site, NOW, NOW, NOW!

Salem



I'm under the impression that the police have known for 48 hours now.

[philamena]

The investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was in chaos last night after the detective coordinating the hunt for her abductor was charged with criminal offences over another notorious missing child case

What?? That is crazy!

[CarpeDiem]

They may begin digging and other info on the letter:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21903405-601,00.html

[Jdee]

Carpediem don't you think it's interesting that the article stated this..."There was no mention of clairvoyance or psychic powers."... This makes me think there is more to it then...

I would have been out there HOURS ago with a friggin shovel.

[CarpeDiem]

I'm curious if this is near the monument the McCanns ran to early in the search? Remember how they said it took 19 minutes or something?

[Jdee]

I do remember that but had forgotten it. I am thinking now that this note did not come from a psychic and why they are giving it more attention.

[Jdee]

Here's one of the maps...

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/ "indications are “vague”...

[englishleigh]

I'm so scared about this. I really think they're going to find her. Poor little Madeleine. :( prayers for her family.

[angelwngs]

Greta: 6/13/2007-Fox News Reporting A newspaper has received a letter stating that Madeline's body buried and can be found 6 to 7 meters off the road under branches and sticks.

[twinkiesmom]

Petra,
If this was a European pedo ring involved in this case, I wonder if they would release the location of the body to make the public interest die down?

It doesn't seem good for Aruba that the Natalee Holloway disappearance remains a mystery.

[SieSie]

Sorry. I see that my report is old news, going back to post #39. Excuse me for not looking back far enough.
Welcome to WS, Helper!! Don't apologize, it's hard to keep up sometimes. Glad you posted.

[Salem]

Newest article says they are discussing bringing in the dogs. I forgot to get the link but found the article through google news, and sorted by date order. It was the newest article as of 2 or 3 minutes ago.

I thought PP said no dogs previously. Maybe they will change their minds now.

Salem

[Salem]

I'm curious if this is near the monument the McCanns ran to early in the search? Remember how they said it took 19 minutes or something?

This is an interesting thought. Isn't it about 9 miles away? Can you run 9 miles in 19 minutes? Let's see - a 6-minute mile is "average" (I think), so a 3-minute mile would be above average. 3 X 9 is 27 (right)? Maybe the actual location is a little far for the run, but it may be on the same path. Certainly you could get halfway there. Maybe at the halfway point there is no "secure" area. But if someone was watching the McCanns and knew their route and was maybe timing them while waiting for an opportunity to grab Madeleine, it could be they used the same route out of irony and then discovered they needed to travel further because the "running spot" was not isolated enough?

Does any of that make sense?

Don't quote me on the time it takes to run a mile, because I am no runner:o

[SeriouslySearching]

Greta: 6/13/2007-Fox News Reporting A newspaper has received a letter stating that Madeline's body buried and can be found 6 to 7 meters off the road under branches and sticks.

I believe this to be a valid tip if the Belgian girls are any indication. If so, they are looking at a serial killer who enjoys watching how the parents and the world react. It has nothing to do with status...but watching them hunt for their child. <sigh> There is nothing more sick in my book.

They won't share this with the world, but I know they are furiously searching where the letter said to search.

[englishleigh]

I believe this to be a valid tip if the Belgian girls are any indication. If so, they are looking at a serial killer who enjoys watching how the parents and the world react. It has nothing to do with status...but watching them hunt for their child. <sigh> There is nothing more sick in my book.

They won't share this with the world, but I know they are furiously searching where the letter said to search.

Yes...an international child serial killer. :eek: :furious:

I'm so afraid we're going to wake up to the news that little Maddie's body has been found...

[Shazza]

I think the letter that was sent to the newspaper claiming they know where Madelaines body can be found, wasnt sent to the police as the letter writer knows something about the police that we dont, ie, they know there is a pedo ring happening, so therefore the letter would have been hidden, by sending it to the newspaper the information would get out and an investigation would have to take place.

The police know more than what they are telling us, maybe even involved in the pedo ring or know of it. Im not saying they had anything to do with the disappearance of Madelaine, but I do think they are definitely hiding something that could help with the case.

[Thrs0806]

I'm so afraid we're going to wake up to the news that little Maddie's body has been found...

I have the same fear!!! This "lead" is getting alot of air time. Alot more than any other lead or info about this case has gotten in weeks, at least here in the USA. I'm so afraid that Madeleine is about to be found!

[SeriouslySearching]

If the letter is credible, I don't have a doubt that the police have nothing on him. This is a well orchestrated effort on the part of one person. He may have included others at this point, but I don't think so. If he got away with killing the two girls in Belgium..he feels he can do this worldwide. Doesn't mean he/she doesn't have help tho. He could be part of some sort of 'faction'.

This is my personal opinion and I still ask what the motive is. Why would someone steal children and be so unrelenting if it didn't have to do with their victims? They wish to make a statement as to culture or to civilization itself.

After the letter came into play, I have to say it is the MOST important piece of evidence they have...but sad to say.

[dingo]

I have the same fear!!! This "lead" is getting alot of air time. Alot more than any other lead or info about this case has gotten in weeks, at least here in the USA. I'm so afraid that Madeleine is about to be found!
Maddie is back in the headlines here too.

[curves]

I'm working from home today and have the news on in the background. I just heard "she was only 9 miles away from where she was taken, I feel so sorry for the parents". My heart and stomach dropped because I thought they had found her body but I had goggled Madelaine and looked at all the other news channels and can't see anything about this. Thank goodness. I really hope thought she would be alive somewhere - wishful thinking? I still hope she is found alive and the letter is wrong.

On another note if it is correct, who is this person who knows where bodies are buried and where are they getting their information from?

[curves]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270454,00.html

They are saying the letter came from a Medium?

[dingo]

Thanks for the update Curves....Maddie needs to be found wherever/whatever:(

[Jdee]

Here's where it mentions they brought in the dogs... and also how upset the McCanns are that digging is going on in the area.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270454,00.html

[Trino]

I don't understand the reference to a serial killer, i.e. the two girls in Belgium, since I believe the killer there turned himself in (Ait-Oud).

Child killings could be part of an international ped ring, however. There's also talk of a satanic ring that involves child killings.

[Shazza]

I don't understand the reference to a serial killer, i.e. the two girls in Belgium, since I believe the killer there turned himself in (Ait-Oud).

Child killings could be part of an international ped ring, however. There's also talk of a satanic ring that involves child killings.
I sincerely hope that nothing this bad has befallen Madelaine, until she is found I am praying that she is still alive. Am trying really hard to think positive thoughts.

[Thrs0806]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270454,00.html

Snippet from link:

But Clarence Mitchell, speaking on behalf of the girl's family, said: "There is no suggestion that this letter is any more credible than any other source and the McCanns are not planning to say anything about it."
Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the parents werevery upset (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1270441,00.html) at reports of diggers moving in.
In a blog, father Gerry McCann said: "We were extremely disappointed in the publication of the anonymous letter in The Telegraaf (Netherlands) claiming to know where Madeleine is buried

~~~~~
Does anyone else find this statement as strange?? Of course, everything that these two 2 parents have done has struck me as kind of strange. While no parent of a missing child wants their child to be found buried, I have never seen one that does not understand and appreciate that ground searches must be done. You would think they would be glad that the police are finally doing a search....if it were me I would have already been out there searching myself if the police hadn't....42 days ago and long before I travelled all over the world.

It is OK to hold on to the faith that your child is still alive but these 2 must also face the other possiblity. I would need closure either way and know that ground searching in an important part in any missing person case.

[MoonGoddess]

Hi Everyone,

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1269974,00.html
Madeleine Cop Charged Over 'Mum Attack'

That really is obscence if theres any truth in it.

I am wondering if this medium may have got her wires crossed and the child could be the daughter of the woman allegedy beaten into a confession re her missing daughter who has never been found.

C D re your post 72 - I wondered about where the McCanns jogged off to that day.........

Sorry everybody but something still not sitting right with me and the parents.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't understand the reference to a serial killer, i.e. the two girls in Belgium, since I believe the killer there turned himself in (Ait-Oud).

Child killings could be part of an international ped ring, however. There's also talk of a satanic ring that involves child killings.

The man suspected turned out not to match the DNA and was released in the Belgium case...at least it is my understanding in the articles I read.

[missacorah]

Whats the situation woth the McCanns jogging off somewhere? Would someone mind explaining? I havent read that before.

[Shazza]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270454,00.html

Snippet from link:

But Clarence Mitchell, speaking on behalf of the girl's family, said: "There is no suggestion that this letter is any more credible than any other source and the McCanns are not planning to say anything about it."
Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the parents werevery upset (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1270441,00.html) at reports of diggers moving in.
In a blog, father Gerry McCann said: "We were extremely disappointed in the publication of the anonymous letter in The Telegraaf (Netherlands) claiming to know where Madeleine is buried

~~~~~
Does anyone else find this statement as strange?? Of course, everything that these two 2 parents have done has struck me as kind of strange. While no parent of a missing child wants their child to be found buried, I have never seen one that does not understand and appreciate that ground searches must be done. You would think they would be glad that the police are finally doing a search....if it were me I would have already been out there searching myself if the police hadn't....42 days ago and long before I travelled all over the world.

It is OK to hold on to the faith that your child is still alive but these 2 must also face the other possiblity. I would need closure either way and know that ground searching in an important part in any missing person case.
I too find the statement by the parents strange, something isnt right here.

[Jdee]

I find his statement...."even if it were true is insensitive and cruel".... Odd myself. Yes it is horrible but I don't think it is 'cruel' to look for her when someone states that's where she is. Of course no one wants to find her in this way but I think it does need to be explored. In many missing children cases you see the parents or parents out there walking the woods looking in gullys right along with the volunteers. I don't think it is cruel or insensitve. Harrowing yes...

[twinkiesmom]

They seem very indignant for people who left 3 small children unattended in an unlocked hotel room in a foreign country.

[colomom]

Whats the situation woth the McCanns jogging off somewhere? Would someone mind explaining? I havent read that before.

From their official website (http://www.findmadeleine.com/):

"Kate is a keen runner and in the last few days has tried to include a run in the daily routine. Yesterday (Sat) at 7am we ran to the monument at the top of the steep cliff overlooking Praia de Luz. We reached it in 19 minutes."

BTW, this is my first post, I have been lurking for a few weeks. I need to be more involved with you guys so I am REALLY happy I found you.

I'll post more later.

[Jdee]

Welcome colomom! I was a lurker for 9 months, and it took this case to bring out of the woodwork....

[CarpeDiem]

I don't understand the reference to a serial killer, i.e. the two girls in Belgium, since I believe the killer there turned himself in (Ait-Oud).



You are correct. I found this article that ran on Monday, before this news broke about the letter in Madie's case. It was just the one year anniversary of the day Nathalie and Stacy were taken. The suspected killer is still in jail.

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=24&story_id=40748

More about him, the letter and Stacy and Nathalie printed last year:

http://www.expatica.com/actual/article.asp?subchannel_id=48&story_id=31197

[calus_3]

What the hell is THIS....from their website.....are you freaking KIDDING ME?

If my kid was missing, my day could be summarized by: 6:00 AM bothered the hell out of the police, 8:00 AM roamed the streets calling out my daughter's name and looking for our daughter, 9:00 AM screamed at the Consulate to get more searchers out, 10:00 AM cried the rest of the day because I am a f&*&^%^ idiot for leaving her alone so my vain wife and I could go on a dinner date. Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep.

This reads almost like the Christmas letters some of my friends send out (I hate those damned things....can you say VAIN? ("we went to Paris, we bought a new car"). This really makes my bloodboil, sounds more like something you would put on the back of a postcard (if it would all fit) regarding their vacation...I think these parents did this crime:

Pools, high tea, walks with his wife, pasta, and who gives a fu&^ how long it took you and your vain wife to get to the top of a freaking monument on her run...congrats, your daughter is probably fu^%$%^ dead! This reaks!


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Day to day life for the McCann's

Usually there’s some free time then for a few stories or games with the twins before heading out.

9.00-9.15 We take Sean and Amelie to Kids’ Club. They really enjoy it and run in. They know the staff well and the staff are all excellent. Both love the domestic corner and Amelie particularly likes to look after ‘babies’. We use the kids club a bit like nursery at home but we think Sean and Amelie still think they are on holiday!

9.30~12.15. We return to the apartments, usually for a series of meetings with our press officer, Mark Warner Reps, occasionally Consulate staff, lawyers and British Liaison officers. During this time we catch up with family and close friends, usually by telephone and discuss ideas how to keep Madeleine’s profile high especially throughout continental Europe.

12.30 Time to pick up Sean and Amelie from Kids’ club then head back to apartment for lunch, which has usually been prepared by one of our family/friends group who have been tremendously supportive.

13.30 –14.30 This is time to spend time playing with the twins either in the apartment or in the play area next to kids club.

14.30-15.00 Usually we take the twins back to Kids’ Club although Sean has had the odd afternoon in the apartment as it’s a bit cooler and he’s not much of a sun worshipper! They have been taking part in many different activities including painting, singing, stories, swimming, trips to the beach and they have lots of toys to play with.

15.00~17.00 We try to get some time together alone, going for a walk to talk things over or getting some exercise. This is often the time for quiet trips to the church for prayers.

17.00-17.30 Meet kids for high tea with other mums and dads. They love pasta and have been doing really well with their vegetables although a few chips have been squeezed in.

17.30-18.30. Games with kids at play area. Amelie loves trying to get in the baby pool!

18.30-19.30 Bath and story time with the twins.

20.00 We put the kids to bed.

20.30-23.00 We try to sit down for a family meal, again usually cooked by one of the small family group out here with us. Chat about the day’s events and plan the next day

23.30 bed and prayer for Madeleine that she will be returned to us safely ASAP.

In addition to above we try to attend various church services during the week, and make multiple phone calls to family and friends. We try to watch the main news early morning and late evening but have had almost no time to read the newspapers or even look at the pictures!

Kate is a keen runner and in the last few days has tried to include a run in the daily routine. Yesterday (Sat) at 7am we ran to the monument at the top of the steep cliff overlooking Praia de Luz. We reached it in 19 minutes.

[CarpeDiem]

Yeah Calus, their new "campaign manager" needs to tell Dad to quit writing his blog. So clinical. Let Kate write a heartfelt letter as a Mother, because Dad thinks an awful lot of himself and isn't conveying Heart. Atleast he wasn't - I got so frustrated with that I stopped reading it.

[2XL]

In responce to Cal's post #103( to long to quote) these parents smell funny to me. I realize spending time with the other children, but this schedule seems to NORMAL for me. Sounds like nothing has changed.
By the Grace of God I have never experenced this, but this only being 41 days, I would be so weak from not eating or sleeping and throwing up constantly I would barely be able to walk from a chair to the phone must less run up a freaking mountain.

This just doesn't seem right to me.

[britgirl]

I have been lurking for a bit following people's thoughts regarding Madeleine's abduction. I have a special interest in the case as the McCanns live about 10 miles away from me, and Madeleine's story is constantly on the local news.

I felt compelled to add an entry because I find it absolutely REPUGNANT that the McCanns are being criticised so viciously by certain people on this forum. It seems their every move "proves" that they are either involved in their daughter's disappearance, or just "proves" that they don't care...the straw that broke the camel's back for me was criticism of the fact that, although they were pictured holding hands while in Morocco, they apparently weren't close together enough...I mean, please! My partner and I NEVER hold hands in public- that doesn't mean we don't have a good relationship!

As for the criticism of Gerry McCann's blog, in which he describes a typical day. Surely the whole point of this is to keep people interested in the case, to keep it on the radar, to keep the images of his family real in the public eye...

My personal take on the McCanns' behaviour- the jetting about Europe trying to raise awareness and get information, Kate's continuing to go running, etc- is that they are so utterly overwhelmed by what has happened, so traumatised, that they have to keep active...if they stop, they will be crushed. The enormity of what has happened will hit them. I feel they could be suffering from a kind of post-traumatic stress. They are in a foreign country, having to contend with vastly differing (and, I feel, inferior) policing methods from the British police...they have their twins to consider, and must try and maintain a calm front for them...the pressure they are under is huge. And I really do feel that the barrage of criticism I have read on this forum, a lot of it pretty vicious, is helping no-one. I just hope the McCanns never get to read it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, Britgirl~ If they are trying to maintain a "calm front" for the twins...wouldn't it be helpful if they stayed in the same country AS the twins?! Farming them out to family while they jetset all over the globe seems to me to be the worst thing for the twins. Those babies NEED their parents because they miss Madeleine, too. I believe it is quite telling that they prefer to spend their time away from their children instead of being there to hold and to love them during this horrible event.

They have handled this in a way most parents would never dream of and if I am being critical...so be it! I have NEVER seen parents that have acted this way while their child is missing and I hope never to witness it again. I honestly believe they were 'finishing' their expensive vacation plans sans the twins and until they can prove otherwise...I will continue to believe it. This isn't raising awareness for Madeleine...this is their selfishness once again. How they can justify globetrotting is beyond me!

[britgirl]

If they stayed with the twins, they would be criticised for being too passive and not doing enough.

As to your assertion that they are finishing their expensive vacation plans...do I understand you correctly...are you saying they are using this as an excuse for a nice long vacation? Or have I misunderstood?

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, you are correct. I would bet my last dollar the places they have visited were on their itinerary from the beginning before Maddy went missing. They were on holiday and I do believe they went ahead with their plans.

[s_finch]

What the hell is THIS....from their website.....are you freaking KIDDING ME?

If my kid was missing, my day could be summarized by: 6:00 AM bothered the hell out of the police, 8:00 AM roamed the streets calling out my daughter's name and looking for our daughter, 9:00 AM screamed at the Consulate to get more searchers out, 10:00 AM cried the rest of the day because I am a f&*&^%^ idiot for leaving her alone so my vain wife and I could go on a dinner date. Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep.

This reads almost like the Christmas letters some of my friends send out (I hate those damned things....can you say VAIN? ("we went to Paris, we bought a new car"). This really makes my bloodboil, sounds more like something you would put on the back of a postcard (if it would all fit) regarding their vacation...I think these parents did this crime:

.

I can't stand those Christmas letters either. Seems to me this dad is totally out of touch with what is going on here. I don't think reality has hit him (or either he is warped which I don't really believe). Maybe blogging is his therapy, but he isn't doing himself nor his family any favors by seeming so unmoved and clinical. My DH is a professional in the medical field and I know that he tends to look at life in a very scientific, clincial way---not real big on emotions but I can't think of anyone I know who would blog like this (unless they are in complete emotional denial which may very well be the case here) with their daughter missing. I would go on to guess that the dad is use to being in control of his life, as many doctors and professionals are, and he isn't dealing with his lose of control very well--hence his emotional distance and denial. When I say "in control" I mean that the parents are like other high achievers who are very motivated people who can force themselves to go the extra EXTRA mile to make it through med school, residency, etc.... They have terrific self-control and like for their lives to be orderly and under control--at least this has been my experience with super achievers.

Britgirl, welcome to websleuths, hope you stick around! I too have posted before also that they are keeping on moving forward so this whole thing won't crush them. When my son was born with a handicap, I had to grieve for the son I had planned on having and also had to keep moving or else felt like I would totally lose it. People kept telling me to slow down, but I couldn't. I kept a brave front and rushed on with life trying to outrun that tidal wave that was about to consume me. It was quite a while before I could slow down and begin to deal with reality. Not that my situation is anything like the McCann's and I don't mean to imply that it is. However, I tend to feel that Maddie's parents are experiencing this same type of emotions and I feel for them deeply. But truly, if Mr. McCann doesn't want to look indifferent to the world, he needs to change his blog or stop it altogether, I'm sorry--that's just the facts. Many people aren't going to understand where he is coming from because his behaviour is unique and when you behave differently, for whatever reason/however innocent that reason may be, people are going to judge you harshly.

My prayers for Maddie.

[CarpeDiem]

Yes, you are correct. I would bet my last dollar the places they have visited were on their itinerary from the beginning before Maddy went missing. They were on holiday and I do believe they went ahead with their plans.

I don't know, that might be reaching. I believe they went as a group from England, all Dr.'s and their families, just to go to this resort, it was a vacation package is the impression I'm under. There is video of them all leaving, Maddie trips and scrapes her knee.

[britgirl]

Yes, you are correct. I would bet my last dollar the places they have visited were on their itinerary from the beginning before Maddy went missing. They were on holiday and I do believe they went ahead with their plans.
Well, I'm speechless. Hey, maybe they staged the whole thing so they could have an extra 2-3 months in the sun! Maybe they paid someone to kidnap, rape and murder their daughter so they could visit the Pope and walk about Morocco...unfortunately there was a mix-up and the perp didn't take the twins too, as planned...

[CarpeDiem]

I can't stand those Christmas letters either. Seems to me this dad is totally out of touch with what is going on here. I don't think reality has hit him or either he is warped. Maybe blogging is his therapy, but he isn't doing himself nor his family any favors by seeming so unmoved and clinical. My DH is a professional in the medical field and I know that he tends to look at life in a very scientific, clincial way---not real big on emotions but I can't think of anyone I know who would blog like this (unless they are in complete emotional denial which may very well be the case here) with their daughter missing. I would go on to guess that the dad is use to being in control of his life, as many doctors and professionals are, and he isn't dealing with his lose of control very well--hence his emotional distance and denial. When I say "in control" I mean that the parents are like other high achievers who are very motivated people who can force themselves to go the extra EXTRA mile to make it through med school, residency, etc.... They have terrific self-control and like for their lives to be orderly and under control--at least this has been my experience with super achievers.

I totally agree.

I would like someone in the media, maybe the campaign manager can arrange it, to do an interview with Kate, by herself, when the Dad isn't interrupting as soon as she gets her thoughts together.

[britgirl]

I can't stand those Christmas letters either. Seems to me this dad is totally out of touch with what is going on here. I don't think reality has hit him or either he is warped. Maybe blogging is his therapy, but he isn't doing himself nor his family any favors by seeming so unmoved and clinical. My DH is a professional in the medical field and I know that he tends to look at life in a very scientific, clincial way---not real big on emotions but I can't think of anyone I know who would blog like this (unless they are in complete emotional denial which may very well be the case here) with their daughter missing. I would go on to guess that the dad is use to being in control of his life, as many doctors and professionals are, and he isn't dealing with his lose of control very well--hence his emotional distance and denial. When I say "in control" I mean that the parents are like other high achievers who are very motivated people who can force themselves to go the extra EXTRA mile to make it through med school, residency, etc.... They have terrific self-control and like for their lives to be orderly and under control--at least this has been my experience with super achievers.
I totally agree. Unfortunately, Gerry's methodical "Christmas-letter-style" blog has been misinterpreted by some as proof of involvement, or at least of him not caring. What a shame.

[CaliKid]

I wish I could say that I see a happy outcome for Madeleine and her family, but I don't. The first thought that popped into my mind when I read that her body might only be 9 miles from the resort was, when was the last time anyone besides her parents saw her alive? I just can't help it. This case has seemed "off" since the first.

[Jdee]

I don't think the 'tour' was for fun or part of their 'vacation'. They were only in these places one day and that time was spent doing interviews and meeting with authorities. Not much of a 'vacation' there...
Yes some of their actions are odd but I don't think they are involved in their daughter's kidnapping.

[calus_3]

I have been lurking for a bit following people's thoughts regarding Madeleine's abduction. I have a special interest in the case as the McCanns live about 10 miles away from me, and Madeleine's story is constantly on the local news.

I felt compelled to add an entry because I find it absolutely REPUGNANT that the McCanns are being criticised so viciously by certain people on this forum. It seems their every move "proves" that they are either involved in their daughter's disappearance, or just "proves" that they don't care...the straw that broke the camel's back for me was criticism of the fact that, although they were pictured holding hands while in Morocco, they apparently weren't close together enough...I mean, please! My partner and I NEVER hold hands in public- that doesn't mean we don't have a good relationship!

As for the criticism of Gerry McCann's blog, in which he describes a typical day. Surely the whole point of this is to keep people interested in the case, to keep it on the radar, to keep the images of his family real in the public eye...

My personal take on the McCanns' behaviour- the jetting about Europe trying to raise awareness and get information, Kate's continuing to go running, etc- is that they are so utterly overwhelmed by what has happened, so traumatised, that they have to keep active...if they stop, they will be crushed. The enormity of what has happened will hit them. I feel they could be suffering from a kind of post-traumatic stress. They are in a foreign country, having to contend with vastly differing (and, I feel, inferior) policing methods from the British police...they have their twins to consider, and must try and maintain a calm front for them...the pressure they are under is huge. And I really do feel that the barrage of criticism I have read on this forum, a lot of it pretty vicious, is helping no-one. I just hope the McCanns never get to read it.

Oh you meant the McCanns who are continuing their vacation as if nothing happened? The same that left their kids alone in a hotel room while they went to dinner? The McCann's that are bragging about high tea and their personal accomplishments while running?

First, I don't really care if you are replulsed. Second, if you want to do this missing girl a favor, drive over and kick both of the parent's a$$es because that is likely to be the only justice this little girl will ever get.

They killed her either way...either by doing it themselves or by allowing someone else to do it with their vanity.

Okay fine, keep active, maintain a calm foot for the twins (who are too young to know which end food goes in and crap comes out). But for the love of God, no one gives a damn about your personal best times of your running schedule. No one cares that you and your wife take long walks together to talk.

My Lord if my child was missing and I went for a run, my blog would be "doubled over vomiting before I hit the sidewalk followed by uncontrollable bouts of sobbing".

I wouldn't be bragging on-line about high tea nor logging my personal running times like I was submitting my resume.

These people probably killed their child and hid her body somewhere. Even if they didn't they are responsible for her death.

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[SeriouslySearching]

Well, I'm speechless. Hey, maybe they staged the whole thing so they could have an extra 2-3 months in the sun! Maybe they paid someone to kidnap, rape and murder their daughter so they could visit the Pope and walk about Morocco...unfortunately there was a mix-up and the perp didn't take the twins too, as planned...

No, I don't believe they had anything to do with Maddy going missing. I never said that. However, they aren't acting like loving, kind parents here! They are acting like spoiled, selfish children! Playing tennis, jogging, and jetsetting around?! Give me a break!

[calus_3]

I totally agree. Unfortunately, Gerry's methodical "Christmas-letter-style" blog has been misinterpreted by some as proof of involvement, or at least of him not caring. What a shame.

He is bragging about his fu$%$%$ time it took to make it to the top of the monument on his run! What's to misinterpret?

Cal

[britgirl]

Oh you meant the McCanns who are continuing their vacation as if nothing happened? The same that left their kids alone in a hotel room while they went to dinner? The McCann's that are bragging about high tea and their personal accomplishments while running?

First, I don't really care if you are replulsed. Second, if you want to do this missing girl a favor, drive over and kick both of the parent's a$$es because that is likely to be the only justice this little girl will ever get.

They killed her either way...either by doing it themselves or by allowing someone else to do it with their vanity.

Okay fine, keep active, maintain a calm foot for the twins (who are too young to know which end food goes in and crap comes out). But for the love of God, no one gives a damn about your personal best times of your running schedule. No one cares that you and your wife take long walks together to talk.

My Lord if my child was missing and I went for a run, my blog would be "doubled over vomiting before I hit the sidewalk followed by uncontrollable bouts of sobbing".

I wouldn't be bragging on-line about high tea nor logging my personal running times like I was submitting my resume.

These people probably killed their child and hid her body somewhere. Even if they didn't they are responsible for her death.

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I'm sure you don't care if I'm repulsed, calus 3. Why should you?

We will have to agree to disagree. You have your take on Gerry McCann's blog, on the parents' behaviour etc, and I have mine. So be it.

[MoonGoddess]

Well, I'm speechless. Hey, maybe they staged the whole thing so they could have an extra 2-3 months in the sun! Maybe they paid someone to kidnap, rape and murder their daughter so they could visit the Pope and walk about Morocco...unfortunately there was a mix-up and the perp didn't take the twins too, as planned...

Maybe she 'accidently' died and they panicked, knew they'd lose their BMA Licence if proved negligence on their part, along with losing the twins........just a thought!

I'm actually proud I have not been hypnotised by the media or by them by buying into the image they are busy promoting........

I really do not mean to offend you, we all have different opionions.

[kooldeedee]

There are a lot of opinions on this forum regarding the parents. I think most agree that leaving the 3 children alone was extremely poor parenting and something the parents will have to live with for the rest of their lives. I think there are few of us that believe they have been "vacationing" around using their missing daughter as an excuse to carry on with their vacation plans. You can see the pain in their faces increasing with each new photo. Reality is setting in. These parents may not be nominated for a "parents of the year" award, but I do feel for them. I can't even begin to imagine the pain they're going through. I think they don't know what to do next which is why they are just "doing". I'd do the same thing.....anything and everything to keep her name in the media. Critics be damned....they're already living in hell. I pray for them as much as for Maddy.

[s_finch]

Britgirl, welcome to websleuths, hope you stick around! I too have posted before also that they are keeping on moving forward so this whole thing won't crush them. When my son was born with a handicap, I had to grieve for the son I had planned on having and also had to keep moving or else felt like I would totally lose it. People kept telling me to slow down, but I couldn't. I kept a brave front and rushed on with life trying to outrun that tidal wave that was about to consume me. It was quite a while before I could slow down and begin to deal with reality. Not that my situation is anything like the McCann's and I don't mean to imply that it is. However, I tend to feel that Maddie's parents are experiencing this same type of emotions and I feel for them deeply. But truly, if Mr. McCann doesn't want to look indifferent to the world, he needs to change his blog or stop it altogether, I'm sorry--that's just the facts. Many people aren't going to understand where he is coming from because his behaviour is unique and when you behave differently, for whatever reason/however innocent that reason may be, people are going to judge you harshly.

My prayers for Maddie.

The above is a repost that got lost in the shuffle.

[MoonGoddess]

[quote=Thrs0806;1531729]http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1270454,00.html

Snippet from link:

But Clarence Mitchell, speaking on behalf of the girl's family, said: "There is no suggestion that this letter is any more credible than any other source and the McCanns are not planning to say anything about it."

Their Foreign Office liaison officer Clarence Mitchell left Portugal on Tuesday and no new spokesman is expected to be appointed for at least a week......is this the same > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Mitchell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_Mitchell) Clarence Mitchell is the Director of the British Government's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Government) Media Monitoring Unit. He was formerly a reporter and presenter for BBC News (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_News).

Handy for a bit of 'spin' if it is one and the same person which I think? it is.

Sky News crime correspondent Martin Brunt said the parents werevery upset (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1270441,00.html) at reports of diggers moving in.
In a blog, father Gerry McCann said: "We were extremely disappointed in the publication of the anonymous letter in The Telegraaf (Netherlands) claiming to know where Madeleine is buried

I thought Clarence said they wouldn't be commenting:confused:

Yes an odd thing to say, If it is their child surely they'd want to know, no matter how grim the discovery may be:confused: why is that insensitive?

[britgirl]

He is bragging about his fu$%$%$ time it took to make it to the top of the monument on his run! What's to misinterpret?

Cal
YOU have decided he is "bragging". I don't think it's bragging. We have different interpretations. MY interpretation is that he's trying to keep his family "real" to the public (the Find Madeleine website is hugely popular). I actually found his entries about the running, etc quite poignant.

[christine2448]

Police search wasteland for missing British girl (http://www.beta.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/14/missing.mccann/index.html)

Not sure if this was posted, sorry if it's a repeat, I didn't see it.

[curves]

Maddie and the search was just on the news. They said that whilst the man who they believed murdered the 2 Belgian girls is in jail it is thought his accomplice is not.

I'm pretty sure the McCann's holiday to Portugal was only ever going to be for a week until Maddie went missing. I don't believe their trips to other countries were a continuation of their holiday plans. I also wonder if people who don't live over here can really comprehend how easy it it to move from country to country and how absolutely easy it would be for Maddie to be as far away as Morrocco - and therefore how important it is to get her face and story in the news in these different countries.

I mean no disrepect, I am from New Zealand and until I lived here I wouldn't have been able to imagine the ease with which people can move from country to country. If it was my child I would do whatever it took to get her face out there. I certainly don't agree with everything the McCann's have done - not in the least - but they are paying the ultimate price.

Another thought - maybe the parents have to keep moving and are not spending much time with the twins at the moment because when they stop or see their other children the guilt of leaving the kids the alone and knowing Madelaine probably wouldn't be gone if they hadn't is too much. If you think about it, they not only have to deal with their child being missing, they have to deal with the guilt - so maybe it's not surprising they are acting differently to other parents whose child has gone missing, but it wasn't because they left them alone in a foriegn country.

[CaliKid]

Up until May 3 the McCanns lived the tranquil life of a family of five surrounded by family, friends and their careers. For all I know, they are probably the nicest people you'd ever meet anywhere and incredibly loving parents to their three kids.
On the night that Madeleine disappeared, Gerry and Kate McCann put their own interests over the well-being of their children- they went out to eat and left them alone in an unlocked apartment way beyond earshot. Aside from the fact that their daughter was kidnapped, anything else could have happened- a fall from bed, a fire, wandering outside, etc.
Since the kidnapping I have read enough double-speak to make me very suspicious. From the McCanns saying that they checked on their children every half-hour to the restaurant staff claiming nobody left their table the entire time they were eating, there are too many questions about what really happened.

[calus_3]

These people are megalomaniacs if I have ever seen it.

If I HADN'T killed my daughter and the story is as being told, I would be even more consoleable than if I had done it. The thought that my carelessness would drive me to the brink of insanity.

I would let my wife handle the twins and it would be my mission every single waking moment to FIND MY DAUGHTER. I wouldn't have time for walks, runs, jogs, leisurely meals, and definitely WOULDN'T HAVE TIME FOR HIGH TEA IN THE AFTERNOONS WITH OTHER PARENTS AS IF I WAS AT THE COUNTRY CLUB.

Best case, these parents reak of something wrong with them. Worst case, they reak of something wrong with them.

Cal

[britgirl]

Britgirl, welcome to websleuths, hope you stick around! I too have posted before also that they are keeping on moving forward so this whole thing won't crush them. When my son was born with a handicap, I had to grieve for the son I had planned on having and also had to keep moving or else felt like I would totally lose it. People kept telling me to slow down, but I couldn't. I kept a brave front and rushed on with life trying to outrun that tidal wave that was about to consume me. It was quite a while before I could slow down and begin to deal with reality. Not that my situation is anything like the McCann's and I don't mean to imply that it is. However, I tend to feel that Maddie's parents are experiencing this same type of emotions and I feel for them deeply. But truly, if Mr. McCann doesn't want to look indifferent to the world, he needs to change his blog or stop it altogether, I'm sorry--that's just the facts. Many people aren't going to understand where he is coming from because his behaviour is unique and when you behave differently, for whatever reason/however innocent that reason may be, people are going to judge you harshly.

My prayers for Maddie.

The above is a repost that got lost in the shuffle.
Hi! Thanks for the welcome. I absolutely agree with you, and thank-you for sharing the situation with your son. I really do feel that the emotions the McCanns are going through are as you've described.

I'm a mother too and I just don't know how I'd behave in the McCann's situation. Like everyone on this forum I pray she's found safe and well.

[calus_3]

YOU have decided he is "bragging". I don't think it's bragging. We have different interpretations. MY interpretation is that he's trying to keep his family "real" to the public (the Find Madeleine website is hugely popular). I actually found his entries about the running, etc quite poignant.

OMG.....I made it to the top in 19 minutes isn't bragging? What purpose did adding the 19 minutes serve except to brag?

These people stink and I think that as soon as they find the body, they are going to be arrested.

Cal

[britgirl]

OMG.....I made it to the top in 19 minutes isn't bragging? What purpose did adding the 19 minutes serve except to brag?

These people stink and I think that as soon as they find the body, they are going to be arrested.

Cal
Not necessarily. Maybe 19 minutes is really slow!

(Sorry, just trying a bit of light relief...)

[curves]

In a blog, father Gerry McCann said: "We were extremely disappointed in the publication of the anonymous letter in The Telegraaf (Netherlands) claiming to know where Madeleine is buried

I thought Clarence said they wouldn't be commenting:confused:

Yes an odd thing to say, If it is their child surely they'd want to know, no matter how grim the discovery may be:confused: why is that insensitive?[/QUOTE]

I think this is unfair. My interpretation is that Gerry McCann is saying the publication of the letter is what has disappointed them. I can understand that. What parent want people speculating on where their dead childs body may be? If she is there and pictures of video are taken, the whole world will see it. I wouldn't want the whole world watching the remains of my daughter be discovered. If you recall, when Laci and Connor's bodies washed ashore Sharon Rocha also asked for people to remember this wasn't just a news story but her daughter and grandson. I think Gerry McCann is just asking for the same thing.

[calus_3]

Not necessarily. Maybe 19 minutes is really slow!

(Sorry, just trying a bit of light relief...)

Now THAT was funny....not only funny, but Cal funny. I did happen to make the assumption that it should have taken 23 or 25 minutes. :D ;)

Not trying to be rude to you but the website that is up to help find their daughter is filled with their leisure itenerary as if they were writing home to family. It just stinks, really.

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[CaliKid]

When Natalie Holloway went missing in Aruba didn't they bring in equipment that scanned the surface for a body buried beneath the sand? I wonder why they don't use something like that to see if Madeleine is there.

[britgirl]

Now THAT was funny....not only funny, but Cal funny. I did happen to make the assumption that it should have taken 23 or 25 minutes. :D ;)

Not trying to be rude to you but the website that is up to help find their daughter is filled with their leisure itenerary as if they were writing home to family. It just stinks, really.

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Thanks...I'm here all week!

I think, regarding the parents, we'll have to agree to disagree. I really like this forum, it's good to get other people's opinions on things, and I DO understand where your criticisms come from.

[s_finch]

Hi! Thanks for the welcome. I absolutely agree with you, and thank-you for sharing the situation with your son. I really do feel that the emotions the McCanns are going through are as you've described.

I'm a mother too and I just don't know how I'd behave in the McCann's situation. Like everyone on this forum I pray she's found safe and well.

Britgirl, since you are new to websleuths, let me add that as one who has been here way too long (and spent too many hours reading when I should have been doing other things) most seasoned websleuthers have found through the years that whenever a child goes missing and the parents were the last to see them alive and then when the parent's actions and behaviour don't act match those of parents like Kelsey Smith's , then often as not when and if the truth is ever discovered, the parents were the perps, as in the Susan Smith case. Hope that wasn't confusing and since you are in the UK then the Susan Smith case is probably not known to you, possibly not the Kelsey Smith case either. You can search those on here or google them.

However, in this case I do not think Maddie's parents were involved and don't even want to judge them for leaving their kids unattended because as good a man as my DH is, he is so oblivious to the evil's in the world he might would have made the same decision to let the kids sleep while dining with friends. Just so happens I am a super paranoid safety nut and realize just too well how unsafe the world is therefore I counteract my DH's (dear hubby's) ignorant bliss. In fact my DH doesn't even want to know about these cases, he actually says he prefers to believe those things don't happen :waitasec:

I'm sorry some of the posters on here are being rough on you and the McCann's, but I also know that some of them (the posters) have had to deal with their own personal losses (abducted family/friends) and also if I didn't have a DH like mine, I wouldn't understand the McCann's actions either.

This is a classical "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes" situation--and I'm referring to the McCann's.

[colomom]

Hi again:

I would like to jump in and offer my opinion (if you don't mind).

I tend to agree with s_finch about the McCanns being "in control". I honestly believe that they have not allowed themselves to really see the horror that they are facing. I also agree that the blog seems "clinical" and does not convey the trauma that we expect them to be feeling. As Americans, we tend to respond to drama and the McCanns have not shared their personal drama with us. That is their choice and I respect that. BritGirl, correct me if I am wrong but, don't the British tend to be reserved when it comes to expressing emotion publicly? Unfortunately, we tend to wonder about sincerity if we don't witness great drama. I have seen pictures of Kate where she really seems to be trying to hold it together but the huge fear and grief is right behind her eyes. I think she is trying to ensure a "routine" for her twins which I am sure we all know is vital for a child to feel secure. They probably do not want to scare the twins with lots of emotion. I would bet that things are different when Kate and Gerry are behind closed doors.

I'll try to find the picture of Kate and you will see what I mean.

[calus_3]

Thanks...I'm here all week!

I think, regarding the parents, we'll have to agree to disagree. I really like this forum, it's good to get other people's opinions on things, and I DO understand where your criticisms come from.

Marry me? I think we are two cynics made for each other! :D You made me bust out laughing with that slow quote.

I hope I am wrong, but when I originally heard the headline of "daugther goes missing after parents left her and her bothers in hotel room alone to eat dinner" my hinke meter went off. Since then, the parents have done nothing but reinforce that meter.

I just don't see a band of roving child abductors roaming the halls waiting for someone to leave their children alone and go have dinner. It doesn't fit.

Cal

[britgirl]

Britgirl, since you are new to websleuths, let me add that as one who has been here way too long (and spent too many hours reading when I should have been doing other things) most seasoned websleuthers have found through the years that whenever a child goes missing and the parents were the last to see them alive and then when the parent's actions and behaviour don't act match those of parents like Kelsey Smith's , then often as not when and if the truth is ever discovered, the parents were the perps, as in the Susan Smith case. Hope that wasn't confusing and since you are in the UK then the Susan Smith case is probably not known to you, possibly not the Kelsey Smith case either. You can search those on here or google them.

However, in this case I do not think Maddie's parents were involved and don't even want to judge them for leaving their kids unattended because as good a man as my DH is, he is so oblivious to the evil's in the world he might would have made the same decision to let the kids sleep while dining with friends. Just so happens I am a super paranoid safety nut and realize just too well how unsafe the world is therefore I counteract my DH's (dear hubby's) ignorant bliss. In fact my DH doesn't even want to know about these cases, he actually says he prefers to believe those things don't happen :waitasec:

I'm sorry some of the posters on here are being rough on you and the McCann's, but I also know that some of them (the posters) have had to deal with their own personal losses (abducted family/friends) and also if I didn't have a DH like mine, I wouldn't understand the McCann's actions either.

This is a classical "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes" situation--and I'm referring to the McCann's.
Thanks, S Finch. I don't mind fellow posters being "rough" on me- we all feel passionately about this, and with feelings running high things are bound to get a little loud!

Sadly, in Britain we've had our fair share of parents/relatives who have murdered their kids- Heather West (killed by father Fred West), Danielle Jones (killed by uncle Stuart Campbell- body never found) to name but two. I appreciate that abductions by strangers are rare, that the parents or caregivers will always be looked at first. In the McCann's case, however, I see no reason to doubt their innocence. And when I was reading through the entries here criticising, it DID make me really frustrated. It seems they can't breathe without it being misinterpreted.

[englishleigh]

They seem very indignant for people who left 3 small children unattended in an unlocked hotel room in a foreign country.

Totally agreed....looks to me like they would want every avenue explored...I know they don't want to believe she's dead, but it is a very likely scenario at this point.

[englishleigh]

OMG.....I made it to the top in 19 minutes isn't bragging? What purpose did adding the 19 minutes serve except to brag?

These people stink and I think that as soon as they find the body, they are going to be arrested.

Cal

I think they stink, too. Big time. But I don't want to think they have done anything to Maddie.

[CaliKid]

Oh but Cal, it does fit. While I don't believe perverts are lurking in every corner, there is a lot of evil in this world. It makes perfect sense that a child molester would operate near a family resort hoping for an opportunity. Watching a targeted family, getting to know their routine and seizing a chance when he saw one. That's what is so sad about Madeleine. With the way her parents left her and the twins alone in their room at night without locking the door, she was practically handed to the kidnapper on a silver platter.

[britgirl]

Hi again:

I would like to jump in and offer my opinion (if you don't mind).

I tend to agree with s_finch about the McCanns being "in control". I honestly believe that they have not allowed themselves to really see the horror that they are facing. I also agree that the blog seems "clinical" and does not convey the trauma that we expect them to be feeling. As Americans, we tend to respond to drama and the McCanns have not shared their personal drama with us. That is their choice and I respect that. BritGirl, correct me if I am wrong but, don't the British tend to be reserved when it comes to expressing emotion publicly? Unfortunately, we tend to wonder about sincerity if we don't witness great drama. I have seen pictures of Kate where she really seems to be trying to hold it together but the huge fear and grief is right behind her eyes. I think she is trying to ensure a "routine" for her twins which I am sure we all know is vital for a child to feel secure. They probably do not want to scare the twins with lots of emotion. I would bet that things are different when Kate and Gerry are behind closed doors.

I'll try to find the picture of Kate and you will see what I mean.
Hi colomom. We Brits do have a reputation for reserve and I think it's probably true. In the British media there HAS been criticism of the McCanns for leaving their kids unattended (and I totally agree with that criticism), BUT I haven't come across any criticism of their emotional behaviour.

[britgirl]

Marry me? I think we are two cynics made for each other! :D You made me bust out laughing with that slow quote.

I hope I am wrong, but when I originally heard the headline of "daugther goes missing after parents left her and her bothers in hotel room alone to eat dinner" my hinke meter went off. Since then, the parents have done nothing but reinforce that meter.

I just don't see a band of roving child abductors roaming the halls waiting for someone to leave their children alone and go have dinner. It doesn't fit.

Cal
Marry me? I think we are two cynics made for each other!
Oh, OK then. Just to warn you though, I'm quite high-maintenance!

[britgirl]

Oh but Cal, it does fit. While I don't believe perverts are lurking in every corner, there is a lot of evil in this world. It makes perfect sense that a child molester would operate near a family resort hoping for an opportunity. Watching a targeted family, getting to know their routine and seizing a chance when he saw one. That's what is so sad about Madeleine. With the way her parents left her and the twins alone in their room at night without locking the door, she was practically handed to the kidnapper on a silver platter.
I may be wrong here, but wasn't there evidence that Richard Allen Davis "staked out" the Klaas home prior to kidnapping poor Polly?

[calus_3]

Oh but Cal, it does fit. While I don't believe perverts are lurking in every corner, there is a lot of evil in this world. It makes perfect sense that a child molester would operate near a family resort hoping for an opportunity. Watching a targeted family, getting to know their routine and seizing a chance when he saw one. That's what is so sad about Madeleine. With the way her parents left her and the twins alone in their room at night without locking the door, she was practically handed to the kidnapper on a silver platter.

Yeah but that would require someone sitting there waiting and watching on the off chance that the parents went out to dinner and left the door unlocked.

I find it all very CONVENIENT and almost impossible to believe.

My best guess is that the child accidentally died in the hotel room and the parents disposed of her and made up this nonsensical story.

Cal

[calus_3]

Oh, OK then. Just to warn you though, I'm quite high-maintenance!

Small trade off to nab myself one of those kinky Brits! :D ;)

We've heard the stories across the pond about you ladies!

Cal

[CarpeDiem]

Not necessarily. Maybe 19 minutes is really slow!

(Sorry, just trying a bit of light relief...)

:laugh: Good one! :cool:

[CarpeDiem]

Yeah but that would require someone sitting there waiting and watching on the off chance that the parents went out to dinner and left the door unlocked.

I find it all very CONVENIENT and almost impossible to believe.

My best guess is that the child accidentally died in the hotel room and the parents disposed of her and made up this nonsensical story.

Cal

They did do it everynight that week, once they were called back because of a complaint that one of the children was crying, they still went out as usual the following night. This group of adults left their kids unattended and went out to dinner five consecutive nights previous.:(

[britgirl]

Small trade off to nab myself one of those kinky Brits! :D ;)

We've heard the stories across the pond about you ladies!

Cal
What CAN you mean... ;)

[CaliKid]

Yeah but that would require someone sitting there waiting and watching on the off chance that the parents went out to dinner and left the door unlocked.

I find it all very CONVENIENT and almost impossible to believe.

My best guess is that the child accidentally died in the hotel room and the parents disposed of her and made up this nonsensical story.

Cal

That is a possibility. But the McCanns had been in Portugal for either 1 or 2 weeks and, from what I've read in the press, pretty much used the same routine every day. The children were in the resort-provided childcare facility much of the day, would eat together in the evening and go to bed. I think the parents usually left them alone. So it wouldn't have been difficult for someone to await their chance to find Madeleine unattended and grab her.

britgirl, I don't know whether Polly Klaas was stalked or not.

[CaliKid]

They did do it everynight that week, once they were called back because of a complaint that one of the children was crying, they still went out as usual the following night. This group of adults left their kids unattended and went out to dinner five consecutive nights previous.:(

The specific complaint was made that Madeleine apparently woke up in the dark and was crying for her father until hotel guests in adjoining suites finally complained. But that didn't stop the McCanns from leaving them alone the next night... or the next either.

[calus_3]

What CAN you mean... ;)

Hey, I have seen Austin Powers several times! :D

Gotta run to the dentist, not that's not a British joke, I REALLY have to run off to the dentist. No fun, see y'all later, welcome britgirl

Cal

[CarpeDiem]

The specific complaint was made that Madeleine apparently woke up in the dark and was crying for her father until hotel guests in adjoining suites finally complained. But that didn't stop the McCanns from leaving them alone the next night... or the next either.

Someone on one of the early threads we had suggested that perhaps the kidnapper was in the room that night and woke Maddie up, foiling the plan for that night. I bet if that was the scenario, the perp couldn't believe his luck to get another chance.

[britgirl]

Hey, I have seen Austin Powers several times! :D

Gotta run to the dentist, not that's not a British joke, I REALLY have to run off to the dentist. No fun, see y'all later, welcome britgirl

Cal
Thanks for the welcome. Good luck with the gnashers!

[curves]

The specific complaint was made that Madeleine apparently woke up in the dark and was crying for her father until hotel guests in adjoining suites finally complained. But that didn't stop the McCanns from leaving them alone the next night... or the next either.

I've never heard this, do you have a link?

[CaliKid]

I've never heard this, do you have a link?

Sorry, no. But I know it was in discussion here awhile back.

Someone on one of the early threads we had suggested that perhaps the kidnapper was in the room that night and woke Maddie up, foiling the plan for that night. I bet if that was the scenario, the perp couldn't believe his luck to get another chance.

I wouldn't leave my child alone in the first place, but you'd think the McCanns would've at least had some compassion on their daughter and stayed in afterwards.

[s_finch]

Hi again:

I would like to jump in and offer my opinion (if you don't mind).

I tend to agree with s_finch about the McCanns being "in control". I honestly believe that they have not allowed themselves to really see the horror that they are facing. I also agree that the blog seems "clinical" and does not convey the trauma that we expect them to be feeling. As Americans, we tend to respond to drama and the McCanns have not shared their personal drama with us. That is their choice and I respect that. BritGirl, correct me if I am wrong but, don't the British tend to be reserved when it comes to expressing emotion publicly? Unfortunately, we tend to wonder about sincerity if we don't witness great drama. I have seen pictures of Kate where she really seems to be trying to hold it together but the huge fear and grief is right behind her eyes. I think she is trying to ensure a "routine" for her twins which I am sure we all know is vital for a child to feel secure. They probably do not want to scare the twins with lots of emotion. I would bet that things are different when Kate and Gerry are behind closed doors.

I'll try to find the picture of Kate and you will see what I mean.

Jump in anytime and welcome.