GA-UID White Male-Merged

[teonspaleprincess]

This one seems solveable if he was reported missing.

www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase733.html (http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase733.html)


Unidentified White Male

The victim was discovered on December 19, 1980 in Atlanta, Fulton County, Georgia
Skeletonized Remains

Vital Statistics

Estimated age: 50-70 years old
Approximate Height and Weight: 6' 0".
Distinguishing Characteristics: Blond-gray hair;
Dentals: Had false teeth; a lower denture was found.

Case History
The victim was located near a construction site at Northside Parkway and I-75 in Atlanta, Georgia on December 19, 1980.
Among his possessions were numerous fragmented pieces of paper and a photograph of a young girl.
The young girl, who appears to have brown eyes and reddish hair, is about 4 years of age (she would be in her thirties now if the picture was taken sometime around 1980).
Another faded photograph had handwriting which appears to read “HR Bow dyeing and finishing, 278-3448” although this is not certain.
Fragments of a handwritten letter addressed to “Dear Dad” was singed with love from “Pam T Dwight” or perhaps “Pam + Dwight.”
Also found was a bus ticket, possibly originating in Panama City, Florida. The writing was faded and mostly illegible.
http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase733(a).jpg http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase733(b).jpg
Left: Photo found in victim's clothing Right : Close-up of child in photo


Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office
Investigation Section
404-730-4400
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.
Agency Case Number:
80-2267
NCIC Number:
N/A
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case. Source Information:
Fulton County Medical Examiner's Office (http://www.fcmeo.org/80-2267.pdf)

[Cubby]

Bump... I was just talking about this case to someone on another forum and am surprised to not see any activity on this thread. This seems like it should be an easy one..... find Pam T. Dwight or siblings relatives Pam and Dwight listed on a people search engine....

Hoping to see more activity on this one.

[jantel74]

I think it would be Pam & Dwight. I mean who signs a letter to their dad like that. Pam T. Dwight. That would be weird even if she wasn't close to her dad.

[Cubby]

I agree, Pam T Dwight would be an unusual way to sign a letter....
How can we go about searching for siblings Pam and Dwight? Based on the information provided, I think the siblings would have been in either the GA or FL at the time.... who knows where they might be now.

[angelmom]

I wouldn't think siblings...I would think a husband and wife. The wife is probably the man's daughter. You know, she is signing the letter from herself and her hubby. Why would an adult (or even a child) sign a letter from herself and her brother?

[marion]

Too bad we don't have photos of any of the letter/paper fragments.

[rhyno1974]

For some reason the link isnt working for me. Anyone else?

[Cubby]

For some reason the link isnt working for me. Anyone else?

Here is the current link
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1029umga.html

[Cubby]

I wouldn't think siblings...I would think a husband and wife. The wife is probably the man's daughter. You know, she is signing the letter from herself and her hubby. Why would an adult (or even a child) sign a letter from herself and her brother?


That is possible too, unless the big sister wrote the letter and included her little brothers name and he was not yet old enough to print. An adult would most likely not use the + sign but rather spell out and...

If your scenario is correct the little girl in the photo may possibly be a grandchild rather than his own daughter.

[OrdinaryLife]

The picture reminds of a school shot done due to the photo background. Perhaps a pre-school photo. Where she is wearing a turtleneck in the photo, the weather must have been cooler where she lived than possibly Florida. I only say this because of stated possible Florida bus ticket. Grandchild, maybe. As far as the letter goes, I'm thinking Pam + Dwight. Not too many people I know would sign a letter. "Love, Pam T Dwight". Makes no sense, in my opinion.

Could it be possible he wasn't from the U.S.? Perhaps from overseas?

[angelmom]

The picture reminds of a school shot done due to the photo background. Perhaps a pre-school photo. Where she is wearing a turtleneck in the photo, the weather must have been cooler where she lived than possibly Florida. I only say this because of stated possible Florida bus ticket. Grandchild, maybe. As far as the letter goes, I'm thinking Pam + Dwight. Not too many people I know would sign a letter. "Love, Pam T Dwight". Makes no sense, in my opinion.

Could it be possible he wasn't from the U.S.? Perhaps from overseas?

I agree about the background, and would hope they have already checked with photographers to see if anyone recognizes it. It is pretty degraded, though.

You are right that the picture could be from anywhere if it was mailed to him, but it wouldn't be unusual for the child to wear a turtleneck in GA in the winter. The tough thing is not knowing how old the picture is, b/c it looks very 70s to me. I'm guessing that little girl is probably closer to my age (almost 40) and wasn't actually 4 in 1980. I think the picture is older.

Doing a quick search for the phone number, it pulls up the Adult Probation Office in Montgomery. Who knows how long they've had that number or if that is the right area code, but if the man was a parolee then it might explain why he was estranged from a family who reported him missing.

http://www.mces.org/MCES_Quest_August_2002.pdf

http://da.montcopa.org/da/cwp/view,A,1494,Q,64723.asp

[Cubby]

You are right that the picture could be from anywhere if it was mailed to him, but it wouldn't be unusual for the child to wear a turtleneck in GA in the winter. The tough thing is not knowing how old the picture is, b/c it looks very 70s to me. I'm guessing that little girl is probably closer to my age (almost 40) and wasn't actually 4 in 1980. I think the picture is older.




I agree. I have a photo of myself with similiar style clothing and colors and it was taken about 71 or 72. I had the same color tights on as the turtle neck.. I can't imagine this photo is any older than 75... as the styles changed in the later 70's.

[shadowangel]

This is another case that should have been easy to solve...

I found a Bowater Inc in South Carolina (which goes by the shortened version Bow) that works with wood products, paper, etc. Not sure if this has a tie to "dyeing and finishing", which is usually applied to fabric preparation. There is a 278-3448 within the same area code, but is a private residence.
I also found a Pam and Dwight D, in South Carolina, ages listed 50-54. This would have put them in their mid-20s when this UID as discovered.

[jantel74]

Interesting, shadowangel. Maybe the girl was Pam and Dwight's daughter.

[ShannonOhara]

This makes me so sad.

My dad carried my little school pic like that foreve in his wallet.
Even as I aged he insisted on having that old school pic, when I was grown he still had it.

SOmeone is missing there loved one, I hope they find him.

[The Green Hornet]

Interesting, shadowangel. Maybe the girl was Pam and Dwight's daughter.

This is my guess.

I'm thinking the picture of the little girl was his granddaughter, the daughter of Pam and Dwight.

[DBinMA]

I have to wonder if he wasn't estranged from his family, given that he hang onto some very old sentimental items. He may very likely not have been reported missing.

[DBinMA]

This is another case that should have been easy to solve...

I found a Bowater Inc in South Carolina (which goes by the shortened version Bow) that works with wood products, paper, etc. Not sure if this has a tie to "dyeing and finishing", which is usually applied to fabric preparation. There is a 278-3448 within the same area code, but is a private residence.
I also found a Pam and Dwight D, in South Carolina, ages listed 50-54. This would have put them in their mid-20s when this UID as discovered.

Any way of using the people searches to get a maiden name or maybe report it to someone? I just have a feeling that maybe there was an estrangement and so no missing persons report.

[lhr5772]

http://www.fcmeo.org/80-2267.pdf
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1029umga.html

Just wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this case? This case haunts me because of the picture and the Dear Dad letter. It just seems this case could be so easy to solve!

[Rookie Sleuther]

How sad. Here are two that could fit.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1244dmla.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1344dmfl.html

[tracy87]

I am not sure if this is relevant...In 1989, in Florida, we bought a house from a man named Dwight and his ex wife named Pam. I don't feel comfortable giving their last names publicly, but would be happy to give it to anyone via PM. Dwight and Pam would be in their fifties today. I'm not sure, but i thought they were originally from north Florida or south Georgia???

...I am very new at this, so be gentle!

[Fairy1]

I am not sure if this is relevant...In 1989, in Florida, we bought a house from a man named Dwight and his ex wife named Pam. I don't feel comfortable giving their last names publicly, but would be happy to give it to anyone via PM. Dwight and Pam would be in their fifties today. I'm not sure, but i thought they were originally from north Florida or south Georgia???

...I am very new at this, so be gentle!

Hiya tracy87 and welcome! I think this is an excellent possible lead. Is your relationship with these folks such that you would be comfortable contacting them now?

I have looked into this case before and have a few thoughts. First, I didn't initially see the picture of the little girl. Her clothes look like something I would have worn when I was little. That would put the year in the late 60's or early 70's. This leads me to believe it may be the gentleman's daughter.

I spent a good deal of time looking for the HR Bow Dyeing and Finishing company. No success - but I did learn a LOT about the dyeing and finishing industry. Primarily - they make ribbons!

There are probably hundreds of older men on the missing boards who fit this UID's description. I think we need to find Pam and Dwight!

[Shecky]

I wonder if they ever tried to date the photo based on the type of film. I agree with Fairy1, her clothes look like they could easily be from the early 70's. (I wasn't born until 1984, but hey, I've seen lots of old pictures!) so perhaps the girl (now a woman) would be older than they estimate. Not sure if that really makes a difference in finding this poor man's identity, but it's just a thought.

The fact that he had this picture and a "Dear Dad" letter with him makes me sad. Makes me want to go give my Dad a hug.

[AMP1979]

That's a good catch on the clothing. I had always gone under the assumption that the picture came with the letter. It makes sense if the girl is his daughter. I'm thirty and I'm pretty sure the picture in my dad's wallet is from when I was fourth grade.

[Cymro]

Hmm... there is a lot that is unknown that we ought to know:

1. How long had the remains been there? If paper was still intact but the remains skeletonized it suggests no more than (at a guess) 4 years and probably much less. If the bones were together then it suggests that decomposition was natural and not a result of animals picking them clean. So at a guess let's take a mid point of death and call it 1978.

2. The photograph seems to be quite a strong color. I don't know but my family photographs seem to get a lot better in the mid 70s onwards. I don't know what camera availability or print techonology were like, but I would suggest that the picture is probably no earlier than 1972 but possibly a little later.

3. The little girl seems to me to be older than 4 (perhaps as old as 7). Look how strongly developed her jaw is.

4. The John Doe has a large age range. Take the girl at her oldest and the Doe at his youngest and you have a DoB of 1965 and 1930 respectively - young enough for him to be the father and very young indeed to be the grandfather, although not impossible.

A midpoint range would be DoBs of 1972 and (allowing for 2 years' decomposition) 1918. This would be a gap of 54 years (which is 2 years less than the gap between my father and my younger sister) but much more likely to be a grandfather.

The greatest gap would be 66 years as anything more than that and you have to abandon the age/time estimates.

That and the fact that the letter found on him would appear to be from a married couple (likely Doe's daughter and her husband) and I think there has to be a 90%+ chance that the photo is of Doe's granddaughter (unless it's like Phoebe from Friends who thought she was related to the people in the exampel photos that come with the frames...)

[christine2448]

I have this case on my 'wall' here.....I need to find my notes, I have worked on this, but it's been awhile :(


May have to start fresh, I have files EVERYWHERE!:bang:

If you all can pull a list of questions together, I can see if I can get them answered. I talk w/GBI about a few cases and would be more than happy to revisit this one to see what we can find out now.

[AMP1979]

1. Do they have any clue what the picture that HR Bow was written on the back of was of? Person, place, thing?
2. What else did he have with him?
3. A better location of where the body was found. Saying Northside and 75 doesn't really narrow it down.
4. Were the pictures and letters together? I had thought that the picture of the girl was with the Pam Dwight letter, but it's really not clear.
5. Did anyone attempt to do a sketch of the man?
6. How was the body found? Was it during the digging for new construction, or what?

Okay, I'm done now. This case just fascinates me because it seems like it should be solvable.

[anthrobones]

Here's another thread on that case:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50322&highlight=1029UMGA

[anthrobones]

I wish they had scanned the letter so we could see the name. It would make more sense for it to be "Pam & Dwight" and not Pam T. Dwight. It was a personal letter, so the daughter would have not had a reason to write out her full name.

[Beyond Belief]

Name: Nathan Alexander Beglau
Mother: Pamela Ann Zuber
Father: Dwight Kenneth Beglau
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota
Name: Alexander Stephen Determan
Mother: Pamela Ann Paladie
Father: Dwight Dana Determan
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota
Name: Christine Leva Estby
Mother: Pamela Ann Wagoner
Father: Dwight Blaine Estby
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota
Name: Mathew Frank Fogelson
Mother: Pamela Dianne Wixon
Father: Steven Dwight Fogelson
Birth: date - Martin, Minnesota
Name: Ariel Brea-Anna Hansen
Mother: Pamela L. Lenort
Father: Dwight Eugene Hansen
Birth: date - Martin, Minnesota
Name: Azure Marie Hansen
Mother: Pamela Kay Lenort
Father: Dwight Eugene Hansen
Birth: date - Martin, Minnesota
Name: Dylan James Skye Hansen
Mother: Pamela Lenort
Father: Dwight Eugene Hansen
Birth: date - Olmsted, Minnesota
Name: Daniel Jacob Haugland
Mother: Pamela Jane Clark
Father: Dwight Miles Haugland
Birth: date - Itasca, Minnesota
Name: Abby Suzanne Kasperbauer
Mother: Pamela Louise Young
Father: Dwight Peter Kasperbauer
Birth: date - Anoka, Minnesota
Name: Kimberly Noelle Kasperbauer
Mother: Pamela Louise Young
Father: Dwight Peter Kasperbauer
Birth: date - Ramsey, Minnesota
Name: Tyson Andrew Kasperbauer
Mother: Pamela Louise Young
Father: Dwight Peter Kasperbauer
Birth: date - Ramsey, Minnesota
Name: Kristin Rebecca Lundeen
Mother: Pamela Kay Johnson
Father: Dwight Edward Lundeen
Birth: date - Stearns, Minnesota
Name: Matthew David Lundeen
Mother: Pamela Kay Johnson
Father: Dwight Edward Lundeen
Birth: date - Wright, Minnesota
Name: Michael Todd Lundeen
Mother: Pamela Kay Johnson
Father: Dwight Edward Lundeen
Birth: date - Wright, Minnesota
Name: Amy Marie McFerran
Mother: Pamela Kay Thompson
Father: Dwight William McFerran
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota
Name: Kelly Diane McFerran
Mother: Pamela Kay Thompson
Father: Dwight William McFerran
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota
Name: Amanda Christine Nelson
Mother: Pamela Kaye Paulsen
Father: Dwight Paul Nelson
Birth: date - Ramsey, Minnesota
Name: Mark Alan Nelson
Mother: Pamela Kaye Paulsen
Father: Dwight Paul Nelson
Birth: date - Ramsey, Minnesota
Name: Mary Elizabeth Nelson
Mother: Pamela Kaye Paulsen
Father: Dwight Paul Nelson
Birth: date - Ramsey, Minnesota
Name: Jonathan Paul Panum
Mother: Pamela Anne Mullen
Father: Paul Dwight Panum
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota
Name: Abigayle Rose Thorn
Mother: Pamela Sue Dumler
Father: Peter Dwight Thorn
Birth: date - Dakota, Minnesota
Name: Heidi Jo Voit
Mother: Pamela K. O'Meara
Father: Dwight D. Voit
Birth: date - Scott, Minnesota
Name: Jason Paul Voit
Mother: Pamela K. O'Meara
Father: Dwight D. Voit
Birth: date - Scott, Minnesota
Name: Cody John Wiechman
Mother: Pamela Jo Habben
Father: Dwight Alvin Wiechman
Birth: date - McLeod, Minnesota
Name: Jessica Jo Wiechman
Mother: Pamela Jo Habben
Father: Dwight Alvin Wiechman
Birth: date - McLeod, Minnesota
Name: Kortney Ann Wiechman
Mother: Pamela Jo Habben
Father: Dwight Alvin Wiechman
Birth: date - McLeod, Minnesota
Name: Heeth Aarron Young
Mother: Pamela Rae Coldwell
Father: Dwight Allen Young
Birth: date - Saint Louis, Minnesota
Name: Zachary Kevin Zippel
Mother: Pamela Ann McKinney
Father: Steven Dwight Zippel
Birth: date - Hennepin, Minnesota

[Beyond Belief]

Name: Keven Che Adams
Mother: Pamela Joy Partin
Father: Winstead Dwight Adams JR.
Birth: date - Bexar
Name: Jacob Dwight Baker
Mother: Pamela Ann Sanders
Father: Dwight Daniel Baker
Birth: date - Dalla

Name: Jason Daniel Baker
Mother: Pamela Ann Sanders
Father: Dwight Daniel Baker
Birth: date - Dallas
Name: Tamatha Renee Barrett
Mother: Pamela Joan Hyett
Father: Charles Dwight Barrett
Birth: date - Dallas

Name: Dwight Wayne II Bazile,
Mother: Pamela Annette Moore
Father: Dwight Wayne Bazile
Birth: date - Harris
Name: Timothy Leroy Bean
Mother: Pamela Lee Brady
Father: Dwight Leroy Bean
Birth: date - Jones
Name: Brett Douglas Boyles
Mother: Pamela Candyce Haynes
Father: Dwight Edward Boyles
Birth: date - El Paso

Name: Cody Wayne Brumley
Mother: Pamela Sue Peters
Father: Roger Dwight Brumley
Birth: date - Tarrant

Name: Dedric Tremel Burroughs
Mother: Pamela Ann Bernard
Father: Orrin Dwight Burroughs
Birth: date - Harris
Name: Denean Latrise Burroughs
Mother: Pamela Ann Bernard
Father: Orrin Dwight Burroughs
Birth: date - Harris
Name: Philip Joseph Byers
Mother: Pamela Jo Eddy
Father: William Dwight Byers
Birth: date - Collin
Name: Rachel Pamel Byers
Mother: Pamela Jo Eddy
Father: William Dwight Byers
Birth: date - Collin
Name: Thomas Robert Byers
Mother: Pamela Jo Eddy
Father: William Dwight Byers
Birth: date - Collin
Name: Joseph Dwight JR. Chatman
Mother: Pamela Joyce White
Father: Joseph Dwight Chatman
Birth: date - Dallas
Name: Breanna Ja'von Coleman
Mother: Pamela Denise Pitre
Father: Dwight Wayne Coleman
Birth: date - Travis

Name: Crystal Lynn Conley
Mother: Pamela Jean Hall
Father: Jacob Dwight Conley
Birth: date - Harris

Name: Tabetha Ann Conley
Mother: Pamela Jean Hall
Father: Jacob Dwight Conley
Birth: date - Harris

Name: Dwight D'Vonne Cooksey
Mother: Pamela Denise Freeman
Father: Derek Dwight Cooksey
Birth: date - Harris
Name: Garland Dwight JR. Copeland
Mother: Pamela Norene Jones
Father: Garland Dwight S Copeland
Birth: date - Tarrant
Name: Austen Paul Cornell
Mother: Pamela Ann Thomas
Father: Dwight Paul Cornell
Birth: date - Harris
Name: Chastity Dawn Davis
Mother: Pamela Sue Mann
Father: Michael Dwight Davis
Birth: date - Taylor
Name: Gabriel Nolan Davis
Mother: Pamela Lynette Clophus
Father: Dwight Kevin Davis
Birth: date - Johnson

[Beyond Belief]

Name: Amy Lynn DuffyMother: Pamela Ann BrooksFather: David Dwight DuffyBirth: date (http://javascript<b></b>:go8957_109445()) - city (http://javascript<b></b>:go8957_109445()), Vermont
Name: Erin Nicole DuffyMother: Pamela Ann DuffyFather: David Dwight DuffyBirth: date (http://javascript<b></b>:go8957_10259()) - city (http://javascript<b></b>:go8957_10259()), Vermont

1981-

[Beyond Belief]

Name: Joanna Eliz Watts Mother: Pamela J Banfield Father: Dwight Stevenson Watts Jr. Birth: date - Caldwell, North Carolina
Name: Emily Dawn Watts Mother: Pamela Jean Benfield Father: Dwight Stevenson Watts Birth: dd mm - Caldwell, North Carolina
Name: David Richard Tomblin Mother: Pamela Jane Conner Father: Dwight Richard Tomblin Birth: year - Rutherford, North Carolina
Name: Dwight Eugene Oneal II, Mother: Pamela Jeannie McGinniss Father: Dwight Eugene Oneal Birth: date - Chowan, North Carolina
Name: Crystal Dawn Oneal Mother: Pamela Jeanne McGinniss Father: Dwight Eugene Oneal Birth: date - Chowan, North Carolina
Name: Angel Lynn Oneal Mother: Pamela Jeanne McGinness Father: Dwight Eugene Oneal Birth: date - Chowan, North Carolina
me: Kristy Diane Moody Mother: Pamela K Carpenter Father: Dwight L Moody Jr. Birth: date - Lincoln, North Carolina
Name: Christopher Aaron Moody Mother: Pamela K Carpenter Father: Dwight L Moody Jr. Birth: date - Lincoln, North Carolina
Name: Theresa Colleen Mitchell Mother: Pamela Sue Mensay Father: Dwight Wayne Mitchell Birth: date - Onslow, North Carolina
Name: Daniel Carey Mitchell Mother: Pamela Sue Mensay Father: Dwight Wayne Mitchell Birth: date - Onslow, North Carolina
Name: Dathan La Mar Ellis Mother: Pamela Denise Davis Father: Edwin Dwight Ellis Birth: date - Pitt, North Carolina
Name: Justin Blake Dickerson Mother: Pamela Jean Jarvis Father: Garrett Dwight Dickerson Birth: date - Chowan, North Carolina
Name: Chelesa Rene Dickerson Mother: Pamela Jean Jarvis Father: Garrett Dwight Dickerson Birth: date - Chowan, North Carolina
Name: Dwight Gerry Davis Jr. Mother: Pamela Jean Gibson Father: Dwight Gerry Davis Sr. Birth: date - Gaston, North Carolina
Name: Linda Michelle Davis Mother: Pamela Jean Gibson Father: Dwight Gerry Davis Birth: date - Gaston, North Carolina
Name: Felicia Marie Campbell Mother: Pamela Edith Estelow Father: Larry Dwight Campbell Birth: date - Moore, North Carolina
Name: Patricia Ina Burgess Mother: Pamela Renae Childs Father: Dwight Warren Burgess Birth: date - Moore, North Carolina
Name: Shelby McKenna Blanchard Mother: Pamela Suzanne Davis Father: Paul Dwight Blanchard Birth: date - New Hanover, North Carolina

Name: Jessica Michelle Battle Mother: Pamela Horton Father: William Dwight Edwin Battle Birth: date - Nash, North Carolina
Name: James Daniel Anderson Mother: Pamela Gail Stiles Father: Dwight Martin Anderson Birth: date - Davie, North Carolina
Name: Benjamin Martin Anderson Mother: Pamela Gail Stiles Father: Dwight Martin Anderson Birth: date - Davie, North Carolina

[anthrobones]

How'd you find all of this Beyond?

[christine2448]

I emailed a contact we have at Fulton County ME to see what info we can get.

I also talked with GBI to see if they could give me more info and they recalled this case and thought maybe a age prog of girl and poss sketch of guy done...the forensic artist happened to be in and is combing files looking, now. She used to be employed at Fulton Cty... she may have done one!

I will update as I am.

[believe09]

Christine is off line tonight and asked that I post the extent of the incredible work that has been done by this office...it will knock your socks off how multi faceted a real ME is in this world...



The age of the (or any) UID is never guestimated in Fulton County-the forensic anthro on staff has a bazillion years experience and he is extremely careful regarding age ranges.
The photo posted online has been retouched professionally to more sharply delineate colors and features; it did not arrive that way here.
Exposure to body decomposition fluid and weathering have so badly decomposed all the of the items with the body that there is no way to accurately date or identify the photos or their origin.
"Northside Drive and I 75" is exactly where the body was found – likely a homeless man - on the side of the freeway inside a brush "cubbyhole".
Fulton County has followed up on every scrap associated with these remains.

The FBI has participated extensively in this case; from analyzing the papers found with the UID to following up on the Pam/Dwight connection.
Any additional Pam/Dwight matches can be sent directly to Tami Schroder at Fulton County for analyzing.

FWIW, I have worked with Tami in the past and she is incredible. Fulton County has full fledged, state of the art everything. They have the luxury of not needing to access the GBI labs because they have all that stuff and more. Some of the smaller counties have coroners vs ME's which makes it necessary to call in the GBI on their cases that move beyond what a typical coroner's office can supply.

PM me if this didn't knock off most of your list-if this gentleman was a homeless man who died in his cubby, then I wonder if he was ever reported missing?

Peace.

[anthrobones]

I wonder if there is a way to get the photo of the girl into national news. Was this case ever reported in newspapers?

[Julessleuther]

I was doing some research on bow dyeing and finishing, and BOW is a type of dyeing process called Bleach Optical White.

http://www.finaltouchcorp.com/laundry.htm (http://www.finaltouchcorp.com/laundry.htm)

Bow Dye is also a type of dyeing that originated in Bow, England and is a scarlet color.
http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/bow-dye (http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/bow-dye)

Does anyone know what the photograph was that had the inscription of HR Bow dyeing and finishing? It sounds like it was a photograph other than the little girl. Could he have been from England?

[Tami Schroder]

I am encouraged that so many people find this case intriguing; I thought you might appreciate more information-
The decedent in this case was found December 19, 1980 "…in a wooded area at the base of a large tree" surrounded by bushes at Interstate 75 and Northside Drive in Atlanta (Fulton County), GA. The remains consisted of skeletal elements and skin portions "mainly in the left side of the head as well as the back". There was a blue shirt and blue work pants with a brown belt found with/on the body. Shirt collar size 16 1/2 and sleeve size 34-35 inches. A wallet was found with the remains that contained wet documents and photos that were left to dry at the time of autopsy and sent, when dry, to the crime lab. A lower denture was found with the body; the location of that denture is not currently known. Scalp hair was described as gray blonde. "The upper teeth have been extracted in the past and the alveolar sockets are more or less obliterated. No lower jaw is present." The decedent was described as being "dead for many months".
The Georiga Bureau of Investigation Department of Forensic Science evaluated the documents and photos found with the remains; the report was completed by Chief Document Examiner James Kelly, January 12, 1981. The photograph of the young girl had handwritten on the reverse: "Sept. _____, 4 years old". A second photograph (front obliterated) bore handwriting on the reverse: "HR Bow dyeing & finishing, 278-3448". Fragments of a handwritten letter contained the following, line by line:
4-3-___
Dear Dad
Hope yo
alright here
hope ___ it help
th of us
as usual.
Nothing new
much. Both
had ___illins
HA HA really
___ly you
let me know
plenty of this
a cat
+ ___
HA HA
Take
can get together
___ together
wonderful husband
___king after me.
call or write
g fine he's
great dog
and behave
know right
Love Pam __ Dwight

DNA was extracted from specimens sent to the FBI CODIS NMPDD; mitochondrial DNA is available for comparison. We have two potential identity comparisons in progress.

[Tami Schroder]

The enhanced photo and case summary were sent to CNN and local news outlets in June 2007; it was briefly covered in the news here. Grayhound Buslines have been very helpful in evaluating the scant information available from the bus ticket fragments included with the wallet contents. Essentially, the bus ticket fragments are a dead end. Because this case is nearly 30 years old, we are limited to the documentation gathered by our predecessors; we have done our best to "keep up" with current technology, and the success of a DNA profile is evidence of that.

[christine2448]

Christine is off line tonight and asked that I post the extent of the incredible work that has been done by this office...it will knock your socks off how multi faceted a real ME is in this world...



The age of the (or any) UID is never guestimated in Fulton County-the forensic anthro on staff has a bazillion years experience and he is extremely careful regarding age ranges.
The photo posted online has been retouched professionally to more sharply delineate colors and features; it did not arrive that way here.
Exposure to body decomposition fluid and weathering have so badly decomposed all the of the items with the body that there is no way to accurately date or identify the photos or their origin.
"Northside Drive and I 75" is exactly where the body was found – likely a homeless man - on the side of the freeway inside a brush "cubbyhole".
Fulton County has followed up on every scrap associated with these remains.

The FBI has participated extensively in this case; from analyzing the papers found with the UID to following up on the Pam/Dwight connection.
Any additional Pam/Dwight matches can be sent directly to Tami Schroder at Fulton County for analyzing.
FWIW, I have worked with Tami in the past and she is incredible. Fulton County has full fledged, state of the art everything. They have the luxury of not needing to access the GBI labs because they have all that stuff and more. Some of the smaller counties have coroners vs ME's which makes it necessary to call in the GBI on their cases that move beyond what a typical coroner's office can supply.

PM me if this didn't knock off most of your list-if this gentleman was a homeless man who died in his cubby, then I wonder if he was ever reported missing?

Peace.

Also, there was NOT a forensic drawing done of the man or girl.

[believe09]

I am encouraged that so many people find this case intriguing; I thought you might appreciate more information-
The decedent in this case was found December 19, 1980 "…in a wooded area at the base of a large tree" surrounded by bushes at Interstate 75 and Northside Drive in Atlanta (Fulton County), GA. The remains consisted of skeletal elements and skin portions "mainly in the left side of the head as well as the back". There was a blue shirt and blue work pants with a brown belt found with/on the body. Shirt collar size 16 1/2 and sleeve size 34-35 inches. A wallet was found with the remains that contained wet documents and photos that were left to dry at the time of autopsy and sent, when dry, to the crime lab. A lower denture was found with the body; the location of that denture is not currently known. Scalp hair was described as gray blonde. "The upper teeth have been extracted in the past and the alveolar sockets are more or less obliterated. No lower jaw is present." The decedent was described as being "dead for many months".
The Georiga Bureau of Investigation Department of Forensic Science evaluated the documents and photos found with the remains; the report was completed by Chief Document Examiner James Kelly, January 12, 1981. The photograph of the young girl had handwritten on the reverse: "Sept. _____, 4 years old". A second photograph (front obliterated) bore handwriting on the reverse: "HR Bow dyeing & finishing, 278-3448". Fragments of a handwritten letter contained the following, line by line:
4-3-___
Dear Dad
Hope yo
alright here
hope ___ it help
th of us
as usual.
Nothing new
much. Both
had ___illins
HA HA really
___ly you
let me know
plenty of this
a cat
+ ___
HA HA
Take
can get together
___ together
wonderful husband
___king after me.
call or write
g fine he's
great dog
and behave
know right
Love Pam __ Dwight

DNA was extracted from specimens sent to the FBI CODIS NMPDD; mitochondrial DNA is available for comparison. We have two potential identity comparisons in progress.

The enhanced photo and case summary were sent to CNN and local news outlets in June 2007; it was briefly covered in the news here. Grayhound Buslines have been very helpful in evaluating the scant information available from the bus ticket fragments included with the wallet contents. Essentially, the bus ticket fragments are a dead end. Because this case is nearly 30 years old, we are limited to the documentation gathered by our predecessors; we have done our best to "keep up" with current technology, and the success of a DNA profile is evidence of that.

Thank you Tami!

Maybe if we get a consensus we can approach Nancy Grace and/or CNN to run it again in their Cold Case section, and see if a forensic sketch age progressed/regressed can be done of both man and girl??

[tatertot]

Thanks for all the additional information! The letter writer used phrases like "wonderful husband" and I can't imagine a child using such descriptive language. I know I didn't, and I frequently wrote letters to my relatives as a kid in the days before email.

The girl's photo was taken in September, when most school photos are taken, and that makes me think it may have been a preschool photo, since most kindergartens require their pupils to be at least five and someone had written she was four on the back of her photo.

[anthrobones]

If the photo is from the mid to late 1970's then I would guess it is a granddaughter. The letter writer is probably her mother and the daughter of the deceased. Is there any way that we can get a scan of the back of these photos to see the writing? Is the writing not there (ie: the photos were torn?) or is it just smudged because of the body fluids from decomposition? What is the plus symbol after the word "cat" for?

[ASU2USC]

The girl's photo was taken in September, when most school photos are taken, and that makes me think it may have been a preschool photo, since most kindergartens require their pupils to be at least five and someone had written she was four on the back of her photo.

FWIW, I have a September birthday, and I started kindergarten in 1986 at 4 years old. One of my best friends has a December birthday, and started the same year as me. I would think that it would have been unlikely for a preschool to have those type of "portraits" taken of their students, but very likely for kindergarten.

With that in mind, and the fact that the UID was found in December 1980 and had been deceased for many months, I would hazard a guess that the photograph may have been taken in September 1978 or 1979, and thus that the girl may have been born sometime in late September through December of 1974 or 1975.

[raindrops300]

Dalton, GA (Whitfield Co) is located on I-75 approximately 100 miles north of where he was located. Dalton, GA has the listing (706)278-3448 currently as some sort of auto body shop. In 1980 it may have been something else.

Because BOW dyeing and finishing is likely related to textiles, it is very interesting that Dalton, GA has huge textile factories and is especially well known for carpeting.
Maybe Pam and/or Dwight lived/worked in Dalton, GA and he was on his way to visit. Or he had a lead on a job, or had been working in that industry in Dalton.

I don't really know where I am trying to go with this, except I see a possible connection with the textile industry in Dalton, GA. Is there any way to find out who (maybe a textile company) had that phone number in 1980, with the Dalton, GA (706) prefix?

Does anyone know how to search for a Pam and Dwight in Whitfield Co GA around 1979-80?

[tatertot]

You know, I think you're right, ASU2USC. My son did have preschool pictures taken last year but when I was in preschool in 1982 I'm pretty sure we didn't have a photography company come in.

Raindrops300, it might be worth a try to call the auto body shop and ask if they still get calls for a textile business, and if so, what do they know about the business. Maybe a long-time employee who was there in the early 1980s remembers getting a lot of calls for the bow dyeing business and who knows, maybe he even can tell you whether that business went under or is still in operation under a new name.

As for Pam & Dwight couples from '79-80, I'm not sure how you'd find old phone books, and to complicate matters the woman's name isn't always listed with her husband's.

[Tami Schroder]

1. The possible telephone number and company name were searched through several decades worth of business listings/licenses for the state of GA.
2. No, none of the case file, including photos, will be scanned for further review.
3. The plus symbol after "cat" is what was written in the letter - a plus symbol.

[AMP1979]

I think the plus symbol had to be how Pam shorthanded the word 'and' since that's also the symbol she used between the names Pam and Dwight.

Tami, as an Atlanta resident I just want to thank you. It's amazing you are so committed to helping these people reclaim their identities.

[Julespa]

I have felt before not putting this information out there but here it goes...
I work for the phone company, I actually help make the phone books. I can ask around and see if there is a way for me to retrieve archival information on phone numbers. I am just a lowly graphic designer who designs the yellow pages advertising but I will see what I can come up with. No guarantees on what info I can find but I will look really hard. Now if anyone needs a phone number from the 1930's in the Virginia area I am your woman. We found some old phone books in an old storage room. Actually phone numbers didn't exist back then, you would just call the operator and tell them who you wanted to be in touch with. It would be interesting to know in which year this transitioned to actual personal phone numbers and the operators were phased out.

[believe09]

I was rearranging the letter and filling in missing words-see what you-all think...

4-3-___
Dear Dad
Hope you
alright here
hope ___ it help
both of us
as usual.
Nothing new
much. Both
had ___aillins
HA HA really
_on__ly you
let me know
plenty of this
a cat
+ _a dog__
HA HA
Take
can get together
___ together
wonderful husband
_loo__king after me.
call or write
g fine he's
great dog
and behave
know (now) right
Love Pam __ Dwight

[Angel4Alpha]

How sad. Here are two that could fit.


http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1244dmla.html

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1344dmfl.html

The second link makes a lot of sense - James Samuel Dilorenzo missing from Palm Beach County Florida - March 1 , 1980 -and information about the UID listing says this :

Also found was a bus ticket, possibly originating in Panama City, Florida. The writing was faded and mostly illegible.

Maybe it actually said Palm Beach County, Florida? Age range is right also and James is listed as having blonde hair and the UID gray and blonde hair.


James Samuel Dilorenzo
Missing since March 31, 1980 from Palm Beach County, Florida.
Classification: Missing

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: November 13, 1901
Age at Time of Disappearance: 78 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'9; 160 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Blonde hair; hazel eyes.



Circumstances of Disappearance
Dilorenzo was last seen on March 31, 1980 in Palm Beach County, FL.




http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1344dmfl.html


I would definately call it in if you haven't already.

[BethInAK]

The second link makes a lot of sense - James Samuel Dilorenzo missing from Palm Beach County Florida - March 1 , 1980 -and information about the UID listing says this :

Also found was a bus ticket, possibly originating in Panama City, Florida. The writing was faded and mostly illegible.

Maybe it actually said Palm Beach County, Florida? Age range is right also and James is listed as having blonde hair and the UID gray and blonde hair.




Good thinking!

[anthrobones]

Bumping up

[eeyorelrn]

Looking at the origional photo of the young girl (on the Doe Network page), TO ME, the picture is very reminissent of several pictures that my parents had taken of me when I was younger at Olin Mills. As a matter of fact, the pose in the picture is eeriely similar to a picture of my cousin Crystal, whom is only a year older than me ( I was born in 1976, she was born in 1975) and there are pictures of her around that age in which she is wearing a similar style of dress. Wonder if this could have been taken at one of those photography studios that they have in Sears or JC Penney (that could account for their not being a studio 'name stamp' on the corners of the picture, as Olin Mills does with their pictures).