Jann Scott's new column, 9/1/03

[candy]

http://www.geocities.com/jannscottlive/Weeklyjournal.html


RamBambsy Case Update: Sgt Tom Truillio from Boulder Pd requested a copy of the Darnay Hoffman movie “Who Killed JonBenet.” He seems to have a pretty good idea.

Ran into Rick French long time Boulder PD officer, celebrated member of SWAT and swat world record holder in the annual world SWAT triathlons. French, a long time Boulder resident (rare for boulder PD), also scored above 125 in PD IQ testing. French is Truillio’s buddy and friend to Steve Thomas (also SWAT) and all Hill team officers at one time. French, of course, was the first to answer Patsy Ramsey’s call and made that first crucial check of the house, but didn’t (couldn’t) open the door where JonBenet’s body lay. He also noted the guilty behavior of Patsy and John Ramsey as the morning wore on. When asked about Darnay Hoffman’s hand writing analysis he answered: “I suppose no matter what I say to you it’s going to appear in your column or on TV even if you have to make it up, so lets just leave it at. It appears to be what it appears to be, pretty darn accurate.”

Rick French is also one of the more popular officers on the Hill. He has striking good looks, is liked by Hill residents, business owners and students alike, has a surreal sense of cop sarcasm and is someone you would want to respond when there is an intruder in your home. He wouldn’t be waiting outside while they raped your cat and shot you.

[Toth]

Summary: Meaningless ramblings of an incompetent cop who, after six years of practice, is now able to manipulate a simple door latch and who claims to have discerned 'guilt' from some "peering through splayed fingers" that he saw briefly even though no one else present seems to have been able to discern.

I wonder: he can look at a distraught parent and discern 'guilt' but if he looks at a simple door latch he can't figure out how to open it.

Its not Officer French, its Officer Donut.

[Shylock]

Toth, it's interesting that YOU, a member of the RST, would consider French "incompetent".
Most of US might consider him incompetent because he allowed the Scamseys to pull the wool over his eyes that morning. He also allowed them to polute the crime scene by throwing a "Where's Waldo?" party in the house with all their friends.

French should be your best buddy, Toth. Had be been more on the ball, he might have thrown all the friends out, separated the parents, grilled Burke extensively, etc.--and the end result might be one or more of the Rammers in jail now.

Donut? - I say never look a gift French Pastry in the mouth, Toth!

[sissi]

Darn that Boulder education,take a normal guy in an affluent area ,where one would expect an IQ above the national average,then let him embarrass the educational system by dropping prepositions at the end of his sentences. (JK)
Really what he said sounds sensible,up to the point of his last "at". He was correct in saying his words would be made to fit the column,looks that way IMO.

[candy]

Officer French isn't the only eyewitness to the Scameys actions that day that believe one or the other or both are murderers.

[River]

That is why the Govenor of CO needs to give this case a chance at a resolution. He needs to put into place some people who aren't intimidated by lawsuits.

[Ivy]

Many dictionaries and grammarians consider ending sentences with prepostions perfectily acceptable, especially when a rewording of the sentence would sound awkward. Winston Churchill was once criticized for putting a preposition at the end of a sentence. Churchill replied, "That's the sort of pedantry up with which I will not put."

[sissi]

LOL ,Ivy that was cute,where'd ya get that at?
No I was kidding,I do it myself,it just reminded me of a joke ..there was a southern woman on a plane,she said to a woman sitting next to her..Hi,where ya'll from,and the snobbish northern woman said, "a place where we don't end sentences with prepositions," the southern woman said ,"oh,I'm sorry,where ya'll from ,bitch".
No,the point I was really trying to make was concerning the credibility of JS's column. It seems French is smart enough to realize what he says will mean little,as ,it's all up to what Jann edits in or out...or twists this way and that.

IMO...oh..should I edit out the "b" word in the joke?

[sissi]

I don't think the "where's waldo" party was as damaging
as the "409" clean up crew. What the heck was that? The BPD sends in someone to dust for prints ,and a clean up crew to wipe up after them? Here, in the big sewer of a city,our police department makes one terrible mess and leaves it for us to clean.

[candy]

The "409 patrol" didn't have anything to do with the Boulder Police. That was Priscilla White and maybe one or more of the victim's advocates. The cops were doing there job, dusting for prints, etc., but the Scamseys were allowed to have all these people they called and told to come over to the house over, because they had told the police it was a kidnapping, not a murder.

[River]

Geez Candy, you make it sound like the Ramsey's intentionally called their friends and contaminated the crime scene. It even appears that some people think that they were hoping one of their friends would find the body. ;)

[candy]

LOL River! :D

[sissi]

I'm sorry,I shouldn't have quoted ST. He did say it was one of the errors made by the BPD,bringing in this crew. He never said it was Patsy's friend,another fictional account by ST.??

[Toth]

Originally posted by candy
The "409 patrol" didn't have anything to do with the Boulder Police. Actually, the police controlled access to the home so anyone who was there was there because the police let them in once Officer Donut arrived. The Victim's Advocates were officially trained and supervised, they were not amateurs.

[candy]

After 10:35 am, when all this occured, there was only one Detective in charge of 9 people in the house, Det. Linda Arndt. She was calling for backup, but was told people were in a meeting and to "hang on". It couldn't have happened at a worse time for backup, the day after Christmas, when many officers and Hunter were on vacation.

I heard that people like Priscilla White were "409" ing for two reasons. One, the house was messy, especially the kitchen, and were cleaning up to help Patsy and 2, they were all waiting for this call to come from a kidnapper that never called and they were nervous. Some people pace when they are nervous, others clean and try to tidy up. It's something to do while waiting so you won't go crazy. I believe that's what that was. Again, if Patsy hadn't called The Whites, The Fernies and Rev. Rol, they wouldn't have been allowed in and Arndt would not have had the problem of control and knowing where people were that she had.
The people doing the 409 ing didn't know this was a murder scene, they believed they are helping people who had a kidnapping.

[sissi]

Page 21,paperback...Steve says, in the third paragraph, that by 6:45 ,two victims advocates showed up,after the dusting by the tech,one followed behind with a spray cloth and a rag.

This is from the hero!! It was NEVER PRICILLA,it was the advocate who 409'd!!!!!

This is not my opinion,it's the "saga" according to Steve

[candy]

I believe Steve, but I also heard Priscilla was doing it. Please remember, at that time, the crime scene was just considered to be JonBenet's bedroom. That's it. Not even the basement was considered part of the crime scene at that time. Where they were 409'ing wasn't considered to be part of the crime scene. People only believe a kidnapping had occured. Steve's right they shouldn't have been doing that, but they weren't near JB's bedroom and I'm sure all these people were out of their minds with worry, and trying to help Patsy by tidying up.

[Toth]

Originally posted by candy
I believe Steve, but I also heard Priscilla was doing it. From what you know of Pricilla White, wouldn't she have to be held at gunpoint before she would start to do anything as 'domestic and feminine' as cleaning?

[MIBRO]

Originally posted by candy
I believe Steve, but I also heard Priscilla was doing it. Please remember, at that time, the crime scene was just considered to be JonBenet's bedroom. That's it. Not even the basement was considered part of the crime scene at that time. Where they were 409'ing wasn't considered to be part of the crime scene. People only believe a kidnapping had occured. Steve's right they shouldn't have been doing that, but they weren't near JB's bedroom and I'm sure all these people were out of their minds with worry, and trying to help Patsy by tidying up.

LOL, Candy!

Are you thinking the BPD thought maybe Peter Pan flew into JonBenét's bedroom?

If, as you say, the crime scene was considered to be only JonBenét's bedroom (that's it), then why were they dusting for prints elsewhere in the home?

The fact is the whole house was considered "the crime scene", including routes leading up to and in to and out of the home.

[candy]

It was only JonBenet's bedroom that was being kept sealed, not the rest of the house. It was Pete Hofstrom that had to convince police after JB was found that the entire house was a crime scene. The crime scene was then just considered JB's bedroom and the basement, and they were going to turn the house back over to the family after a one day search.

[Imon128]

John and Patsy must not have considered JB's room a crime scene as they didn't even enter her room upon finding the note. They just 'looked' in. They didn't go in to check her bathroom, look at the balcony door, windows, etc. You'd think they would have been in such denial that JB was gone that they would have gone to extensive lengths to convince themselves it WAS real. Instead, they looked at her bed, she wasn't in it, so they immediately ascertained that the note was real. Hmmm. :confused:

[ayjey]

"Instead, they looked at her bed, she wasn't in it, so they immediately ascertained that the note was real. Hmmm. "

Yuppers, Imon, they immediately believed the note was real but
not the content of the note.?!?

[Barbara]

"Yuppers, Imon, they immediately believed the note was real but
not the content of the note.?!?"

When you write your own note, you KNOW it's real and when you write your own note, you KNOW the contents are NOT. :D

Those Ram$$eys, they are indeed smart people.

[candy]

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[candy]

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[TLynn]

So did French see the broken window in the basement or not? Did he see the suitcase under the window?

French was looking for entrance/exit - he negligently didn't open the wine cellar door BUT "what's the story" with the broken window.

[candy]

All of that is in Officer French's First Responder report and will only come out at trial or if he gives an indepth interview, which is unlikely as he is an active duty police officer.

[Sabrina]

Hey, everyone who has been knocking French's grammar. Did you ever consider that Jann Scott could have made a typo?

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Sabrina
Did you ever consider that Jann Scott could have made a typo? Jann Scott error???? Naaaaa, not possible! - Can you say "enhanced 911 tape"?

DUH!
(I've already consumed my last grain of salt, so unfortunately I can't take Jann Scott with it...)

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Shylock
Toth, it's interesting that YOU, a member of the RST, would consider French "incompetent".
Most of US might consider him incompetent because he allowed the Scamseys to pull the wool over his eyes that morning. He also allowed them to polute the crime scene by throwing a "Where's Waldo?" party in the house with all their friends.


When exactly, in America, did we decide to allow peole to come in and out with free will into a crime scene? Why, then do we blame the people doing the calling? The police should have stopped that leak in the R'd ship--PERIOD! If I thought my child kidnapped, yes, I would probably call my friends--that doesn't mean the police should just allow them in.

The police are supposed to know better than us citizens.

[Maxi]

For some peculiar reason, the police did not consider the whole house to be a crime scene until the body had been found. JonBenet's room was, tho. The BPD clearly were at fault.

[Shylock]

Originally posted by ajt400
If I thought my child kidnapped, yes, I would probably call my friends-- What? - Another rocket scientist who doesn't understand the phrase "call anyone and we'll cut your child's head off"...sheeesh.

Thank God the almighty intruder is only a fantasy, or we wouldn't know what to do with all those little kid's heads rolling around!
(And you thought Canadian Geese were a problem!)

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Shylock
What? - Another rocket scientist who doesn't understand the phrase "call anyone and we'll cut your child's head off"...sheeesh.

Thank God the almighty intruder is only a fantasy, or we wouldn't know what to do with all those little kid's heads rolling around!
(And you thought Canadian Geese were a problem!)

I have never claimed to be a rocket scientist, thanks, though.

I am sorry that I have close friends, maybe that is my fault. But, yes, I would call them. Just like I said above, that doesn't mean that my local police department would allow those people to enter my home. (I have more faith in my small town police department, thank youvery much) Some think it is wrong that they called the police, too. (That is just absurd)

They would not be the first to be called, and it probably would be on my cell phone and not my home phone, as to not tie up the line.

If YOU take the note so seriously, then you should be believing that the R's are innocent and that a small foreign group is to blame.

[Barbara]

While it is clearly the BPD's fault that the crime scene was allowed to be trampled, the Ramseys own some responsibility in that they claim to be intelligent people who should know better.

Some people might call A friend, or A family member, but I can't imagine the average person calling over a community of people, most of whom were not considered "close" friends by the Ramseys own words.

Yes, the BPD messed up big time that day, but that doesn't take the suspicion away from the Ramsey behavior.

[ajt400]

That's true, I wouldn't call all my friends. But I know I would call a few.

[Shylock]

Originally posted by ajt400
They would not be the first to be called, and it probably would be on my cell phone and not my home phone, as to not tie up the line.
Before you even get to your friends, you first have to tell us why you would be so stupid to hang up on the 911 operator. What would be the point of doing that? When people call 911, they stay on the line and wait for instructions, unless there is some other pressing matter (like someone needing medical attention or protection from impending danger).

So why did Patsy hang up? Was it to look for JonBenet?--NO. Was it to check her other child and make sure he was safe?--NO.
She hung up on the 911 operator so she could call her friends over. This makes sense to you? Why would Patsy feel having her friends over was much more important than any instructions the 911 operator would give her?

It only makes sense if for some reason you are scared to death to be alone in the house with the police.

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Shylock
Before you even get to your friends, you first have to tell us why you would be so stupid to hang up on the 911 operator. What would be the point of doing that? When people call 911, they stay on the line and wait for instructions, unless there is some other pressing matter (like someone needing medical attention or protection from impending danger).

So why did Patsy hang up? Was it to look for JonBenet?--NO. Was it to check her other child and make sure he was safe?--NO.
She hung up on the 911 operator so she could call her friends over. This makes sense to you? Why would Patsy feel having her friends over was much more important than any instructions the 911 operator would give her?

It only makes sense if for some reason you are scared to death to be alone in the house with the police.


Yes, but how did they know the BPD would be so 'open' with a crime scene? How did they know that they would actually let the police in.

Secondly, where in my posts above does it state that I would hang up on the operator? (Your good at putting words in others mouths, huh? That happens alot in this case) Unless I was specified otherwise, or the police had not shown up yet, I would stay on the line.

I am not going to presume (which there is also alot of in this case) that I would hang up or not, maybe it was an accident? You know, everything doesn't have to be sinister. In other words, anyone can find something sinister if they look hard enough. Maybe she thought she had gotten all of the information, maybe not.

Why would you call the cops if you were scared to be alone with them in the first place? That makes no sense, they could not have anticipated that the police would be so inept at their jobs. Why not just call your friends over, wait awhile, then discover the body. Claiming the note said not to call authorities? This was elaborate as hell anyway, why not spice it up some more?

[Nehemiah]

I take it that Shylock is referring to Patsy when using the word "you".

My opinion was that Patsy hung up to keep Burke from being heard.

[ajt400]

In my english classes, 'you' was a term used when speaking directly to someone. So, no, I take the 'you' in her post to mean me.

[Shylock]

Originally posted by Nehemiah
My opinion was that Patsy hung up to keep Burke from being heard. You may be right. We can now be 99.9999% sure Burke is on the 911 tape since we can hear Patsy's "help me jesus" cries, just as the Thomas transcript described it. And then there is the 4-second erased gap right after Patsy where you can bet your life savings Burke and John are heard.

[Ivy]

ajt...you weren't taught about second person narrative voice in any of your English classes? Amazing.

[ajt400]

No I went to Greenville county schools. You really think that's what she was using, huh?

[ajt400]

I mean I could see if she used one of PR's quotes and said "you,"--but she used mine---so that is why I came up with what I did.

[ajt400]

Are you surprised the little amount of education is really circulated in our schools? Most of it is a waste of time.

[Ivy]

Originally posted by Nehemia
My opinion is that Patsy hung up to keep Burke from being heard.
Nehemia, I think so too. IMO Patsy was afraid the operator would hear a child talking and that the voice would be recorded, which would make it hard for John and her to later deny Burke was awake, because he was apparently the only living child in the house at the time.

John and Patsy went to extremes to try to make Burke invisible to LE. They did this by trying to erase Burke from any situation even remotely connected to JonBenet's death. I'm convinced that's because BDI.

[Maxi]

Patsy's an Extravert (Myers-Briggs Type -- it's really spelled that way). I've asked a number of strong female Extraverts, and they all said they'd call friends. I was amazed!

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
I have never claimed to be a rocket scientist, thanks, though.

I am sorry that I have close friends, maybe that is my fault. But, yes, I would call them. Just like I said above, that doesn't mean that my local police department would allow those people to enter my home. (I have more faith in my small town police department, thank youvery much) Some think it is wrong that they called the police, too. (That is just absurd)

They would not be the first to be called, and it probably would be on my cell phone and not my home phone, as to not tie up the line.

If YOU take the note so seriously, then you should be believing that the R's are innocent and that a small foreign group is to blame.


So Sad...A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE(?)!

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
Are you surprised the little amount of education is really circulated in our schools? Most of it is a waste of time.
\

We are ALL TEACHER BY OUR ACTIONS(whether we like it or not!)!
So...ajt400,,,///...You're a TEACHER? yes/no/maybe?... you surely are going on you're mission/focus to make the WWW(Whole Wide World)A Better Place for ALL OF US/yes-no-maybe?...Please help me understand/comprehend your thoughts?!ok?:dontknow:
:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
When exactly, in America, did we decide to allow peole to come in and out with free will into a crime scene? Why, then do we blame the people doing the calling? The police should have stopped that leak in the R'd ship--PERIOD! If I thought my child kidnapped, yes, I would probably call my friends--that doesn't mean the police should just allow them in.

The police are supposed to know better than us citizens.

Ya think?...but the police didn't feel it was the thing to do(maybe(?)... ajt400 IMHO you're assuming much more than really was/is there; are you going on BLIND FAITH?!

[ajt400]

Oh Blaze, there is so much Assuming going on here, it makes my head spin!