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missedone
06-25-2007, 06:42 PM
World Wrestling Entertainment is deeply saddened to report that today Chris Benoit (http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/superstars/chrisbenoit/) and his family were found dead in their home. There are no further details at this time, other than the Benoit family residence is currently being investigated by local authorities.
Tonight’s Raw (http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/) on USA Network will serve as a tribute to Chris Benoit and his family. WWE extends its sincerest thoughts and prayers to the Benoit family’s relatives and loved ones in this time of tragedy.


sources from here

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitdead

Chris was a Canadian born wrestler. Very sad. My deepest sadness and prayers to the remaining family.

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 07:07 PM
Oh my gosh! My son adores him.....how sad

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 07:10 PM
I am wondering if this is true? Last week or so ago Vince McMann ( I think that's his name) was suppoedly blown up in his limo. The press release claimed federal agents were investigating. The feds deny they are investigating anything.

Does it seem odd to you that the article doesn't state what family members?

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 07:11 PM
Oh my! How very sad...I don't really follow wrestling, but the name was familiar to me.

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 07:14 PM
I am wondering if this is true? Last week or so ago Vince McMann ( I think that's his name) was suppoedly blown up in his limo. The press release claimed federal agents were investigating. The feds deny they are investigating anything.

Does it seem odd to you that the article doesn't state what family members?

Oh that would :furious: tork me off if it was a media game. Tell me WWE wouldn't do that, would they?

I have to admit my first thought was murder-suicide. Just a guess with NO relevant facts to back up that thought...heck, since we don't even know if it's true. Okay, maybe if it's being covered for non-WWE sources...

bnhall
06-25-2007, 07:15 PM
It was him, his wife and his son. How sad.

http://www.24wrestling.com/index.php?id=news/9328
"WCW World champion Chris Benoit (http://www.24wrestling.com/index.php?id=news/9328#) and his wife, former WCW and ECW personality Nancy "Woman" Benoit were both found dead today in Atlanta, Georgia. Benoit's son Daniel was also found dead."

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 07:19 PM
Wikipedia also mentions his death today, as well as wife and son. (Yes, I know about Wikipedia ;) )

michelle
06-25-2007, 07:21 PM
http://www.tmz.com/ Its here too.

Animal04216
06-25-2007, 07:24 PM
This is not in our local paper so I truly dont believe it. I will keep checking and let you all know if the do put something in there. The online version usually gets updated regularly with big news throughout the day.

STEADFAST
06-25-2007, 07:30 PM
http://www.tmz.com/ Its here too.

Their report, though, is based on something from a wrestling source. I can't find this story outside of wrestling sites. Seems like finding a family deseased would be on the AP wire or the local news.

Animal04216
06-25-2007, 07:31 PM
Checked the local tv news sites. One had an article but only cited the WWE site. Here is a link to the other, citing "officials" (whos officials? Did not say Fayette or Peachtree City Police) http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 07:43 PM
Isn't it a sad sad day when you don't know if you should mourn or be pissed off?

I am already pissed with the Vince McMann thing.....

I've checked the AP news wires and found nothing.

Tonight on Monday Night RAW they are having a tribute.

The article sounds as if it could be a murder sucide, would they really have a tribute for something like that? If there is a killer running around wouldn't the news have reported it?


My son was really upset ( he's 9) when he watched on live TV Vince blowing up in his limo. What kind of sick world do we live in when something like that is called entertainment?

For the record, I will not be allowing my son to watch RAW tonight.

Taximom
06-25-2007, 07:47 PM
They said they are holding off on the Vince McMann thing tonight. The show will be a dedication to Chris Benoit.

So, what are you guys thinking? Murder/suicide?

Dark Knight
06-25-2007, 07:49 PM
It's true and not a storyline:

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25101&p=1

Oh my gosh, he was one of my faves. RIP Crippler. And your family. :(

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 07:51 PM
It's true and not a storyline:

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25101&p=1

Oh my gosh, he was one of my faves. RIP Crippler. And your family. :(

Your link doesn't work for me and until I see the source I will remain skeptical

arielilane
06-25-2007, 07:54 PM
The ajc is reporting it.

Dark Knight
06-25-2007, 07:55 PM
Your link doesn't work for me and until I see the source I will remain skeptical

Too much traffic. Every single wrestling website is now reporting it as legit. They have cancelled tonight's 3 hour RAW broadcast and will do a tribute instead. Fans at the arena were told to go home.

First Sherri Martel and now Chris Benoit have died since the Vince McMahon limo explosion storyline. They need to end that storyline immediately.

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 07:56 PM
Isn't it a sad sad day when you don't know if you should mourn or be pissed off?



Boy, isn't that the truth! Horrible if this happened and they're dead.
Horrible if this is a joke - not a joke!

I'm sitting here watching ABC news (local and say national) and heaven forbid, ET...and nothing mentioned.

arielilane
06-25-2007, 07:57 PM
Pro wrestler, family found dead (http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html)

Chris Benoit, wife and young son found in Fayetteville home.

http://www.ajc.com/

Dark Knight
06-25-2007, 07:59 PM
Search results via Yahoo news shows it is widely reported:

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=chris+benoit&c=

Chris was sent home before last night's PPV event for a "family emergency" which makes this all the more strange.

eleven
06-25-2007, 08:05 PM
So, the Vince McMahon thing was just A STORYLINE? It's not true? He is alive and well???

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 08:09 PM
So, the Vince McMahon thing was just A STORYLINE? It's not true? He is alive and well???

Yep. Nice eh?

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 08:13 PM
Search results via Yahoo news shows it is widely reported:

http://news.search.yahoo.com/news/search?p=chris+benoit&c=

Chris was sent home before last night's PPV event for a "family emergency" which makes this all the more strange.

That is definitely strange, isn't it?!

Yeah, I can't believe anyone would make all this up for publicity - to include his wife and son. I mean, they've got friends/extended family who would hear about it, etc.

I guess I believe it's true, but it does seem strange that no local LE or anything would at least give a statement on such a high profile person.

Sooooo, patiently waiting here..............

eleven
06-25-2007, 08:18 PM
Yep. Nice eh?

Yeah, real nice. Do you know why? I mean, what was the whole purpose of that?

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 08:20 PM
Yeah, real nice. Do you know why? I mean, what was the whole purpose of that?


Don't ask me:waitasec:

Dark Knight
06-25-2007, 08:23 PM
Yeah, real nice. Do you know why? I mean, what was the whole purpose of that?

To get attention and ratings. They even gave Vince the "10 Bell Salute" that they give to wrestlers who really die. Sickening.

pedinurse
06-25-2007, 08:26 PM
Yep. Nice eh?


ok... it just so happened that it was so coordinated that this death was captured on tape? of course it was part of a storyline!! it is just a soap opera for men. the vince mcman thing that is.
i felt really bad watching the beginning of the broadcast. the staff seems sad.

Linda7NJ
06-25-2007, 08:29 PM
ok... it just so happened that it was so coordinated that this death was captured on tape? of course it was part of a storyline!! it is just a soap opera for men. the vince mcman thing that is.
i felt really bad watching the beginning of the broadcast. the staff seems sad.


Since when are 9, 10 and 11 year old boys considered men? My son and all of his friends watch it and save their money to buy those stupid action figures.

ziggy
06-25-2007, 08:31 PM
Uhh Hemmm... Wrestling is fake OK? LOL. I just keep saying that everytime Mr. zig and 14 yo male zig change the channel to wrestling. I like The Rock, but that's all I like about it. I liked him after he started acting and moved away from wrestling.

We saw the teaser on the "Vince was murdered" story and we laughed knowing it was a publicity stunt.

Mr. Zig was telling me sometime ago that Hogan was going to divorce his wife. I then saw the previews for the new season of Hogan Knows Best and I'll BET it's "made-for-TV" crap. They all act and dramatize; it's part of being a wrestler.

This recent death, however, seems real and that adds to the total tragedy. Any tribute they do seems diminished to me. I hope the indefinitely scrap the dead Vince crapola.

JDB
06-25-2007, 08:35 PM
This is coming from a TV station in Atlanta
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?rss=atl&psp=news

englishleigh
06-25-2007, 08:39 PM
To get attention and ratings. They even gave Vince the "10 Bell Salute" that they give to wrestlers who really die. Sickening.

I believe in bad karma somewhat...and maybe this is what they get for faking a death of one of their own...the real thing.

Animal04216
06-25-2007, 08:55 PM
Thanks to those who got the links from the local news. It is in fact true. I took a nap (had major dental work today!) and when I got up I checked again and it has been confirmed by fayeteville police.

eta: I am really, really surprized that this was not in the news almost immediately! A few years ago we had one of the people from wrestling ( I think it was ms elizabeth but I could be mistaken) die at home and it was reported very very quickly,not some 4 hours after the fact.

ziggy
06-25-2007, 08:58 PM
To clarify I'm not saying this recent incident is fake, but the Vince thing is.

People were asking why they would fake a death and I reply...wrestling is fake therefore, when a real death occurs people instantly wonder if it's real. Sad.

solarplum
06-25-2007, 09:04 PM
It's on the Fox website now - and it says the deaths were not gun related.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286673,00.html


Officials were said to not be commenting to the press on the case, but the Atlanta-Journal reported cops saying the deaths were not gun-related.

solarplum
06-25-2007, 09:08 PM
Now on ABC too:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3315466


WWE wrestler Chris Benoit, his wife and son were found dead Monday and police said they were investigating the deaths as a homicide.

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 09:09 PM
It's on the Fox website now - and it says the deaths were not gun related.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286673,00.html


Solarplum,

Thanks for the link and welcome to WS - I see it was your first post!

Wow...now we know to grieve...and his son was only 7 years old.
What the heck happened??? They're considering it as homicide. :waitasec:

rayray
06-25-2007, 09:11 PM
mmm.. I was thinking maybe Carbon Monoxide.. but Obviously I was wrong.. How sad. I just hope.. HOPE HOPE.. that this is not a situation that we all have seen too often lately.

My prayers to his family.

solarplum
06-25-2007, 09:13 PM
Thank you for the welcome!

What a tragedy. :(

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 09:13 PM
mmm.. I was thinking maybe Carbon Monoxide.. but Obviously I was wrong.. How sad. I just hope.. HOPE HOPE.. that this is not a situation that we all have seen too often lately.

My prayers to his family.

I also had that thought, at first...but I guess not.
Tied up/strangled? Oh boy, hope not beaten...okay, I don't even feel right just guessing. Oh I don't even want to think about what the last moments were like...

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 09:15 PM
Thank you for the welcome!

What a tragedy. :(

Yes, you'll probably always remember how you got your first WS posting start, LOL.

Now you need to go balance the tragedy out with something non-important...like, ohhhh, what time Paris is getting out of jail tonight/tomorrow, LOL.

JUST KIDDING, Y'ALL!

glezell
06-25-2007, 09:15 PM
I also had that thought, at first...but I guess not.
Tied up/strangled? Oh boy, hope not beaten...okay, I don't even feel right just guessing. Oh I don't even want to think about what the last moments were like...

link to that report???

ketel0ne
06-25-2007, 09:25 PM
Can't be a tribute unless they know that he(they) are all victims, and he(or her) are not the murderer? The tribute is to him and his family.

JDB
06-25-2007, 09:25 PM
link to that report???

This is what I can find. Calling it a Homcide
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286673,00.html

glezell
06-25-2007, 09:37 PM
This is what I can find. Calling it a Homcide
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286673,00.html
Yeah that is what I have seen. Just didn't see anything about tied up/strangled...

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 09:37 PM
link to that report???


I'm sorry, which report?

DEPUTYDAWG
06-25-2007, 09:38 PM
Yeah that is what I have seen. Just didn't see anything about tied up/strangled...

No, maybe my post was unclear. Sorry if it was unclear...I used that and the being beaten as guesses (I said that, but maybe poorly worded).

beakiebean
06-25-2007, 09:49 PM
Shoot-I've always loved watching Chris Benoit. Even after I grew up, learned wrestling was fake, and gave up on the sport in general I still liked watching him. He was a class act.

I'm sure hoping that he (and his wife) are innocent victims in this case-I'd hate to see an otherwise lovely legacy ruined by a senseless act of violence.

I'm sure thinking of their families during this.
Becca

Dark Knight
06-25-2007, 09:51 PM
I'm at work so can only see bits and pieces of the tribute show going on now on USA but is heartbreaking, especially hearing Chavo Guererro, who just lost his Uncle Eddie, give his eulogy. Those 3 were so close to each other. :(

Texana
06-25-2007, 10:06 PM
It could be there's no connection between the Chris Benoit family deaths and the Vince publicity stunt.

Two events occurring withing a short time frame are not necessarily cause/effect.

I am so sad for the families involved. What a terrible waste.

southcitymom
06-25-2007, 10:48 PM
The AJC say this is being investigated as a murder-suicide.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html

englishleigh
06-25-2007, 10:51 PM
The AJC say this is being investigated as a murder-suicide.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html

A murder-suicide how, if they weren't shot? Stabbings?

southcitymom
06-25-2007, 10:54 PM
A murder-suicide how, if they weren't shot? Stabbings?

Something horrible, I'm sure. It's heartbreaking if this is true - there seems to be an abnormally large amount of Dads taking out their families (and selves) these days....

meowy
06-25-2007, 11:02 PM
I was hanging out in a busy chat room just a bit ago, and the big topic tonight is was it real or fake. Most believe it was just another staged event like with the other guy. So there is a family, dead.. and many see it as another stunt.

ketel0ne
06-25-2007, 11:07 PM
Detective Bo Turner told television station WAGA that the case was being investigated as a murder-suicide, but said that could not be confirmed until the evidence was examined by a crime lab.
WAGA reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend, and then himself sometime Monday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286673,00.html

englishleigh
06-25-2007, 11:07 PM
Something horrible, I'm sure. It's heartbreaking if this is true - there seems to be an abnormally large amount of Dads taking out their families (and selves) these days....

Unfortunately you are so right. But we don't know that it was Chris who did this, if it happened. I was thinking about him being called home for an emergency the night before from that match/program...what if it was a trick Nancy pulled to get him to come home and then she killed him and then the child and herself?

concernedperson
06-25-2007, 11:08 PM
The AJC say this is being investigated as a murder-suicide.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html

I was ready to post the same article. Just sickening is what it is.

froggierintexas
06-25-2007, 11:09 PM
I am not into wrestling but the show scheduled here tonight was cancelled according to the news, just caught the tail end. Something about wrestler dead, no show, tickets to be refunded. Sorry that's all I heard. I guess he was to perform here tonight. It (the show) would of been scheduled at the American Bank Center, that's where they do all the big things here.

englishleigh
06-25-2007, 11:10 PM
Detective Bo Turner told television station WAGA that the case was being investigated as a murder-suicide, but said that could not be confirmed until the evidence was examined by a crime lab.
WAGA reported that investigators believe Benoit killed his wife and son over the weekend, and then himself sometime Monday.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286673,00.html

How horrible. WHY????

ketel0ne
06-25-2007, 11:15 PM
How horrible. WHY????

So now I ask again, why the tribute? Investigators theory is he is a murderer.

deanws
06-25-2007, 11:22 PM
This is not in our local paper so I truly dont believe it. I will keep checking and let you all know if the do put something in there. The online version usually gets updated regularly with big news throughout the day.It has been on the channel 11 news here.

BarnGoddess
06-25-2007, 11:34 PM
The BarnGod is a major fan. I do allow him to have the remote for wrestling and I use the time to go on line without an argument, LOL. I've been googling for him ever since Raw came on with the news and tribute show.

The longer I googled for news from 6pm Mtn time until now, the more news appeared. I'm a little surprised at the tribute so soon. If it's true that it's murder/suicide I think that's a bit low, even for wrestling entertainment.

pedinurse
06-25-2007, 11:35 PM
hubby says that he canceled a match that he was set to WIN last night at the pay per view due to family problems. do you think he was at home, and that one of them set up a carbon monoxide leak to kill one of them (suicide) and accidentally killed the other family members by doing it "improperly". Or do you think it was done on purpose to kill not only the person setting it up but the others (murder / suicide)?

pedinurse
06-25-2007, 11:38 PM
So now I ask again, why the tribute? Investigators theory is he is a murderer.
Now wait - not sure about that - and it WAS a fox news link (haha - had to get that ding in). Anyway, by all accounts he was a very nice man, and the final verdict is not in. Could have been the wife. A very non-violent murder / suicide if it is one. Very typical of a female IF the female were the perp. I'm JUST saying. It could have been either of them if that were the senario vs. an errie coincidence... he did cancel his match last night on PPV according to my husband. A very reliable source I might add (LOL).
I'm just saying. There are victims here - I'm just not sure who.

Liz
06-25-2007, 11:46 PM
Hoping the truth of this tragedy comes out soon. Hubby is a fan and was sad to hear this news.

Praying for all affected by this triple tragedy!

solarplum
06-26-2007, 12:02 AM
There were no signs of gunshot wounds or stabbing, according to Pope. Authorities are not ruling out other causes, such as poisoning, suffocation or strangulation. Pope told ABC News that his department is looking at this situation as a "possible double murder, suicide."
Pope said "the instruments of death were located on scene," but he would not specify what those instruments are or where in the house the bodies were found.

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3315501&page=1

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 12:12 AM
So now I ask again, why the tribute? Investigators theory is he is a murderer.

Because he is innocent until proven guilty. He cannot go on trial now, but the broadcast was tonight before the investigation is anywhere near complete. So they gave him the benefit of the doubt, which was right, imo. And it was a tribute to his career, which is rather impressive in itself. Not a canonization.

mindi77
06-26-2007, 01:21 AM
I read he was at the show for sundays pay per view but was called away for a family emergancy. What if his wife called and said she was just going to end it for herself and the boy and he said no wait and came home to find them already dead and then killed hisself. Or came home and she had killed the boy and he killed her and then himself. I just can't see him getting ready for a show and then all of a sudden just leaving and killing everyone. Guess we will have to wait for the details.

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 01:32 AM
I too have a wrestling fan in my life! He told me that tonight's show was planned to be a "death parody" - some convoluted story line that was developed about Vince McMann being dead. But it was all a big "hoke". Ha, ha.

I assume that in light of the three deaths it was thought that it would be in bad taste to proceed with any kind of a death parody, thus the 3 hour tribute to a man who possibly murdered his wife and child.

Actually, I don't know which one would have been worse.......but there was no information about possible homicide-suicide online when the program started, because I went online and looked for the story right away. All it said was "no details have been released" at that time.

Bobbisangel
06-26-2007, 03:47 AM
What a shame. Regardless of who it is it is so sad when one family member decides to take the lives of their loved ones and then ends their own life. It is happening so often lately.

It is strange that Chris would have received a phone call and then said he had to leave because of a family emergency. I wonder if the couple had been having problems and one wanted out of the marriage. I doubt that we will ever know why it happened as no one is alive to say. Would Chris have actually murdered his family and then went on to wrestle but changed his mind after he got there? That sounds pretty bogus. I hope the truth comes out and LE find out what really did happen.

LE said that whatever was used was still at the scene. If it wasn't a gun or knifes it must have been cord or something like that to strangle. What else is there that LE would have found at the scene? Just such a tragedy.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 03:56 AM
What a shame. Regardless of who it is it is so sad when one family member decides to take the lives of their loved ones and then ends their own life. It is happening so often lately.

It is strange that Chris would have received a phone call and then said he had to leave because of a family emergency. I wonder if the couple had been having problems and one wanted out of the marriage. I doubt that we will ever know why it happened as no one is alive to say. Would Chris have actually murdered his family and then went on to wrestle but changed his mind after he got there? That sounds pretty bogus. I hope the truth comes out and LE find out what really did happen.

LE said that whatever was used was still at the scene. If it wasn't a gun or knifes it must have been cord or something like that to strangle. What else is there that LE would have found at the scene? Just such a tragedy.

Blunt object, possibly. IF Chris did the killing, he is strong enough to use just about anything, even his bare hands. But it sounds like weapons were involved.

Elphaba
06-26-2007, 05:09 AM
Perhaps a case of steroidal rage? (please, please, don't be offended by that remark if you are a huge fan of this person and staged wrestling. Bottom line is: when it comes to staged wrestlers, in that ring they are more about being actors, instead of atheletes. They have a physical image to uphold and steroids helps that... in the past it was well known that steroid use in the staged wrestling world was a big issue.)

Maybe this didn't get news airplay so quickly because legitimate news outlets knew of the staged death of VM and didn't want to fall for a hoax. I don't blame them on taking their time... you truly can't believe most of what comes out of the staged wrestling world. Unless... you are my late grandfather... the man loved watching this stuff LoL. He would get all heated up over a fight and talk with all seriousness about a fight gone bad for one of the "good" guy wrestlers. Bless his soul LoL... and bless my dad, because there were evenings where my Pa would sit and chew my dad's ear off about these things, and my dad would just smile and nod, letting my Pa rant and rant. :)

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:14 AM
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20003 (http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20003)

"Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today.

Benoit was found dead in his weight room. Nancy was found dead in the living room. Daniel was found dead in his bedroom, according to an unnamed source in the department."

PrayersForMaura
06-26-2007, 06:27 AM
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20005

The WWE web site reported that Chris Benoit sent some curious text messages early Sunday morning, which concerned friends to alert Richard Hering, WWE's VP of Government Relations to call Fayette County sheriffs on Monday to check the residence.

Benoit sent the text messages to Chavo Guerrero, one of his close friends.

MrsG728
06-26-2007, 07:12 AM
This whole thing saddened me and just had me floored last night. Did anyone watch Monday night RAW? It was heartbreaking watching all of these tough men just lose it, right there on TV.

When they suggested a murder-suicide, I seriously thought of Phil Hartman's wife... now that authorities believe that it was Chris, I am even more speechless. And yes, roid-rage did come to mind this morning while I was reading this. so sad :(

Here is a pic of my brother & friend with Chris in 2000. (my bro is on the left)

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y252/mrsgeluso/benoit00sq0tn0.jpg

RIP Chris.

MG

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 07:54 AM
Now wait - not sure about that - and it WAS a fox news link (haha - had to get that ding in). Anyway, by all accounts he was a very nice man, and the final verdict is not in. Could have been the wife. A very non-violent murder / suicide if it is one. Very typical of a female IF the female were the perp. I'm JUST saying. It could have been either of them if that were the senario vs. an errie coincidence... he did cancel his match last night on PPV according to my husband. A very reliable source I might add (LOL).
I'm just saying. There are victims here - I'm just not sure who.

I doubt it was a non-violent murder as the instruments of the crime were found at the scene. Beating (maybe strangling) I would suspect - and that sounds like a man's mode of murder, not a woman's.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 07:58 AM
I can only imagine what the public reaction would be if a tribute was made of Chris Vaughn's career before he was officially arrested.....:rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong - I believe there should be a presumption of innocence in both cases. I was just making an abservation.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:22 AM
I imagine he killed his wife on Saturday in a rage and that killing was more violent.

When the full impact of what he had done hit him, I think that is when he decided to kill his son (who he couldn't imagine motherless AND fatherless), which he did on Sunday, and I that killing was "less violent" - probably even done when he son was asleep.

Then, of course, he took his own life - perhaps by hanging, maybe ODing.

DEPUTYDAWG
06-26-2007, 08:31 AM
How senseless...totally senseless.
Odd, and interesting how one of those articles mentioned it would be almost bizarre when they release more of the details. All victims on different days, wow...what was going through his mind during all those hours. I bet it will be strange to see what he did during the weekend.

JMO.

I know his wife Nancy should absolutely not be lost in this tragedy...but I have such a hard time when children are killed by their own parents. 7 years old - he was old enough to know who was doing it and ughhhhhh....oh I hope whatever the method of death, that the son didn't really have much time to realize what Dad was doing.

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 08:34 AM
Who is Chris Vaughn?

In any case, there are already discrepancies is the small amount of reporting available in the Benoit case. Some reports say the neighbors called police, later reports say the WWE contacted local police and asked them to do a wellness check after a fellow wrestler received strange emails from Benoit on Monday.

I wonder if Benoit confessed to the murders of his wife and son to the other wrestler?

No matter what happened between this man and his wife, I cannot imagine him having had time to think about it and then deciding to murder his child! The bastard!

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:35 AM
Who is Chris Vaughn?

In any case, there are already discrepancies is the small amount of reporting available in the Benoit case. Some reports say the neighbors called police, later reports say the WWE contacted local police and asked them to do a wellness check after a fellow wrestler received strange emails from Benoit on Monday.

I wonder if Benoit confessed to the murders of his wife and son to the other wrestler?

No matter what happened between this man and his wife, I cannot imagine him having had time to think about it and then deciding to murder his child! The bastard!

Chris Vaugh was arrested this weeke for killing his wife and 3 children in an SUV in Illinois. It took a bit of time to gather enough evidence to charge him with the crime, but people pretty much thought he did it from the get-go.

Perhaps Benoit did confess in some of the text messages that were mentioned.

Taximom
06-26-2007, 09:11 AM
http://www.timesleader.com/news/breakingnews/20070612_12wwe_breaking.html
Some background on the McMahon stupidity.

Dena
06-26-2007, 09:31 AM
Perhaps the "emergency" turned into a big fight leading to Nancy's death. He felt he had no choice after that.

This one just has me floored. It was reported on the news this morning while I was getting ready and I believe my words were "HOLY CRAP". I don't watch wrestling anymore but used to be a huge fan.

JDB
06-26-2007, 09:38 AM
It looks like Chris did kill his wife and son and then did himself in.According to the link below. He called the WWE on Sat. and said he would not be at the house show on Saturday night or the PPV.
Then he text someone saying Thank you and Good-bye.
http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1182837567.shtml

opme
06-26-2007, 09:44 AM
http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20003 (http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/headlines/default.asp?aID=20003)

"Sources in the Fayette County Police Department are now working under the theory that Chris Benoit killed Nancy on Saturday, son Daniel on Sunday, and then killed himself earlier today.

Benoit was found dead in his weight room. Nancy was found dead in the living room. Daniel was found dead in his bedroom, according to an unnamed source in the department."

Ok so if the above is acurate then that would mean this little boy was alive on sunday.. was he left alone in the house to discover his moms body on Sunday.. thus the phone call to his Dad which precipiatated the "Family Emergency"? and it was at that point Chris left and murdered his child?
sigh I just dont understand how anyone can murder their own child.. regardless of how else you feel about your spouse or your self its incredibly selfish to think that your child is better off dead than without parents. Good god if there is a clear victim here its the son. He didnt deserve to have his life destroyed nor taken at the hands of one of his parents.. one of the only people who are supposed to love him unconditionally and care for him above and beyond themselves.

Dena
06-26-2007, 09:45 AM
"FAYETTEVILLE, Ga. — Pro wrestler Chris Benoit canceled a pay-per-view appearance at the "Vengeance" event in Houston because of "personal reasons" a day before he, his wife and their 7-year-old son were found dead in an apparent murder-suicide."


Ok, so he wasn't actually anywhere but at home when he cancelled his appearance? The emergency could have been that he was sitting in a house with his dead wife and son...

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 09:45 AM
It looks like Chris did kill his wife and son and then did himself in.According to the link below. He called the WWE on Sat. and said he would not be at the house show on Saturday night or the PPV.
Then he text someone saying Thank you and Good-bye.
http://www.wrestleview.com/news2006/1182837567.shtml

Sounds like there was some marital strife. I wonder if the wife was having an affair. It almost sounds like he was planning this when he told them he wouldn't be present due to a family emergency. So sad....

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 09:48 AM
Ok so if the above is acurate then that would mean this little boy was alive on sunday.. was he left alone in the house to discover his moms body on Sunday.. thus the phone call to his Dad which precipiatated the "Family Emergency"? and it was at that point Chris left and murdered his child?
sigh I just dont understand how anyone can murder their own child.. regardless of how else you feel about your spouse or your self its incredibly selfish to think that your child is better off dead than without parents. Good god if there is a clear victim here its the son. He didnt deserve to have his life destroyed nor taken at the hands of one of his parents.. one of the only people who are supposed to love him unconditionally and care for him above and beyond themselves.

I think he murdered his child because he couldn't bear the thought of the child growing up with no mather and a father who had murdered his mother. He obviously didn't kill the child to harm his wife because he killed her first.

To him, killing the child and himself probably felt like the only option his heart could live with. I'll bet the child was asleep or unaware when he killed him, but I bet he killed the wife in a fit of passion.

Dena
06-26-2007, 09:50 AM
"Benoit has two other children from a prior relationship."

How sad for his other children as well.

Rino
06-26-2007, 09:57 AM
So I'm guessing any tribute was pre-mature and ill advised at this point...

Dena
06-26-2007, 10:18 AM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0607/2601_chris_benoit.html

SNIP ~

On Saturday Benoit was supposed to participate in a "SmackDown" show in Beaumont, Texas; however, he was a no-show at the event. According to a ring announcer, Benoit did not attend because of "personal reasons." The Internet Web site WrestlingObserver.com later reported that Benoit had a "family emergency" and had to rush home.
Officials with the WWE did not foresee Benoit's absence to be a long-term issue, and fans were assured that he would be at Sunday night's "Vengeance" pay-per-view event for his scheduled bout with Phil Brooks, stage name C.M. Punk, for the ECW (Extreme Championship Wrestling) title. However, once again Benoit proved to be a no-show."

---------------------------------------------------------
OK, so it sounds to me like he missed two shows. He had to rush home for something, was supposed to be back, and obviously did not come back. He called from home to say he couldn't make it on Sunday now.

JDB
06-26-2007, 10:27 AM
Here is some Info on Nancy. Seems she used to be a valet in wrassling. known as the Fallen angel and Woman.
http://domainhelp.search.com/reference/Nancy_Daus

Class-z
06-26-2007, 10:29 AM
Here is some Info on Nancy. Seems she used to be a valet in wrassling. known as the Fallen angel and Woman.
http://domainhelp.search.com/reference/Nancy_Daus

Latest I've heard is, it appears to be murder/sucide, no gun or knife used... The wife was his manager and managed a few other wrestlers.

Ah, so she was like Miss Elizabeth? Wasn't that Randy Savages, so called wife and manager?

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 10:31 AM
It sounds to me like he never showed up for scheduled appearances but they "reported" to fans that he had to "rush home for a family emergency".

This whole thing had to be a very tough call for those in charge at WWE. They have a three hour event, based on a "death parody" scheduled to be telecast live that evening and at 4:00 PM learn that a major participant in the event has likely murdered his family and committed suicide? Yikes!

I guess the "tribute to the family" was all they could come up with at that late moment.

Oceanbreeze
06-26-2007, 10:59 AM
Last night my 17 yr old son and I were watching the tribute to Chris. He looked on the internet and said to me, "Mom, they think it's a double murder-suicide". Then he said "How could anybody kill their own kid"?
I got tears in my eyes and said "Jared, you wouldn't believe how much of that goes on".

My prayers go out to the friends and family members of the Benoit's, especially his surviving kids. May they find the answers they need and peace in their hearts.

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 11:07 AM
My friend and I were watching it also. We tuned in late and when they showed the shot that said "Chris Benoit - In Memory 1967-2007" we could not at first grasp what was going on! I went onto the net at that point and all I could find was that Chris, wife, and son had been found dead in their home that afternoon and that police were not releasing any details. No mention of murder or homicide, because my friend and I then discussed carbon monoxide poisoning as a possible cause.

How soon did you see mention of homicide?

nanandjim
06-26-2007, 11:08 AM
...To him, killing the child and himself probably felt like the only option his heart could live with...
Please...This man is a cold blooded wife and child killer. There is no excuse in the world to murder your child. I bet if he had given the child the option of living versus dying, the child would have wanted to LIVE.

I wonder if these wrestlers are on steroids and if he had one of those 'roid rages. I'm not familiar with the side effects, but I have heard that steroid use can cause sudden bursts of anger and rage and also cause impotence, etc. Just speculation, though.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 11:12 AM
"In what appears to be a brutal, violent crime scene, police were investigating the deaths as a murder-suicide. Detective Bo Turner—now there’s a cop name—explained to WAGA, a local Georgia TV station, that the case was “being treated as a murder-suicide, but said that couldn’t be confirmed until evidence was examined by a crime lab.”

http://www.crimerant.com/?p=909 (http://www.crimerant.com/?p=909)

groan :(

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 11:20 AM
The guy is a murderer, killed his wife and poor innocent child, and WWE elects to do a three hour tribute to him? That blows my mind! Yes, I know they are saying it was a tribute to his family.

Tell me WWE did not know the suspected cause of death in this incident. I am absolutely sure they did.

I'm also sure that over the coming days we will learn more than we ever wanted to know about the WWE, steroid use and " 'roid rage".

Not that men who aren't wrestlers and don't use steroids don't kill their families! God, this is just all so sickening lately, isn't it?

Sometimes when my adult daughter is going out and about with her child I give her warnings like "If you take him to a park, make sure there are other people around - don't go to any park where you and the baby would be alone there or park in an area where other people could not see you." And she will say to me "Mom, you watch too much crime TV!"

No, I don't think so! If it gives her pause for thought about where she goes or where she parks, that is just fine with me!

Are there others here like me about this?

Oceanbreeze
06-26-2007, 11:23 AM
My friend and I were watching it also. We tuned in late and when they showed the shot that said "Chris Benoit - In Memory 1967-2007" we could not at first grasp what was going on! I went onto the net at that point and all I could find was that Chris, wife, and son had been found dead in their home that afternoon and that police were not releasing any details. No mention of murder or homicide, because my friend and I then discussed carbon monoxide poisoning as a possible cause.

How soon did you see mention of homicide?

I want to say it was around 9:30 CA time.

indallas2
06-26-2007, 11:26 AM
I was shocked and sickened to hear about this last night. I've always HATED wrestling myself but my son and hubby do watch sometimes and I know enough of wrestling to know who Chris Benoit is/was.

I don't care what happened between him and his wife - there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER to end someone's life EVER - and not only did he end his life but his own son's life too. I just can't grasp the reality of that. :(

So senseless :(

Dena
06-26-2007, 11:42 AM
My friend and I were watching it also. We tuned in late and when they showed the shot that said "Chris Benoit - In Memory 1967-2007" we could not at first grasp what was going on! I went onto the net at that point and all I could find was that Chris, wife, and son had been found dead in their home that afternoon and that police were not releasing any details. No mention of murder or homicide, because my friend and I then discussed carbon monoxide poisoning as a possible cause.

How soon did you see mention of homicide?

And what about RIP Nancy Benoit and RIP Daniel Benoit?

One article I read today said that it was a touching moment in the WWE. That made me sick. There is nothing touching about a murder/suicide.

indallas2
06-26-2007, 11:44 AM
And what about RIP Nancy Benoit and RIP Daniel Benoit?

One article I read today said that it was a touching moment in the WWE. That made me sick. There is nothing touching about a murder/suicide.

I so agree!!!

STEADFAST
06-26-2007, 11:49 AM
Here's part of a comment about that show from Anthony DeBlasi at wresting-news.com:

. . . as the show went on 'in real time', so many details started to emerge surrounding their deaths. Ultimately during the show, the Double Murder-Suicide was confirmed. As it happened, the emotion from close to 1000 fans listening live, chat room visitors, and us turned to anger. Then WWE started to remove tributes from their website. Then a huge debate sparked on the show. Should we be paying any type of tribute to a murderer. How the f*** do you murder your 7 year old son? Noone celebrates OJ Simpson's football career anymore. He is labeled simply as a double murderer. Sadly, I have to treat Chris Benoit the same way.


http://www.wrestling-news.com/artman/publish/article_3534.shtml

I agree with Mr. DeBlasi.

JDB
06-26-2007, 11:53 AM
I am going out on a limb here. Please no one cut it off. :D From what I have read the found the bodies at 2:30 yesterday afternoon.The first article I found said it looked like murder with no mention of sucide.WWE and the old WCW when ever one of thiers passed away they always did a tribute for the person.When Owen Hart died becuase of an accident that happened live at a PPV. They also did one.
With that said I think the Tribute last night was done before any news of a possible murder sucide ever hit the news. Or anyone in the WWE were told.

nanandjim
06-26-2007, 11:59 AM
I have read that the crime scene was very "bizarre." What the heck does that mean??

Taximom
06-26-2007, 12:00 PM
:clap: Mr. DiBlasi :clap:

Oceanbreeze
06-26-2007, 12:00 PM
I am going out on a limb here. Please no one cut it off. :D From what I have read the found the bodies at 2:30 yesterday afternoon.The first article I found said it looked like murder with no mention of sucide.WWE and the old WCW when ever one of thiers passed away they always did a tribute for the person.When Owen Hart died becuase of an accident that happened live at a PPV. They also did one.
With that said I think the Tribute last night was done before any news of a possible murder sucide ever hit the news. Or anyone in the WWE were told.

I agree with you JDB. There were still so many things NOT known at the time of the tribute last night. All they knew was that one of "them" and his family had died.

Taximom
06-26-2007, 12:02 PM
I have read that the crime scene was very "bizarre." What the heck does that mean??

He was found dead in his weight room. I wonder if he used any weights or rigged a machine to help kill himself.

indallas2
06-26-2007, 12:03 PM
I have read that the crime scene was very "bizarre." What the heck does that mean??

Per www.tmz.com:

TMZ has learned more about the deaths of WWE wrestling superstar Chris Benoit, his wife and son -- and the information is extremely disturbing.

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

JDB
06-26-2007, 12:10 PM
Here's part of a comment about that show from Anthony DeBlasi at wresting-news.com:


http://www.wrestling-news.com/artman/publish/article_3534.shtml

I agree with Mr. DeBlasi.

I agree also. Here is another little part of the same story.


You cannot find fault with WWE airing the 3 hour tribute. They had no clue at the start of their show that it was a double murder-suicide. I'm sure some had that possible scenario in the back of their minds. It was too coincidental that Benoit goes home for a 'family emergency', and then they all end up deceased?

nanandjim
06-26-2007, 12:22 PM
He was found dead in his weight room. I wonder if he used any weights or rigged a machine to help kill himself.
I don't know what this guy used. However, it sounds like this guy was out of his mind. Drugs are the only thing that I can think would make him do all of this. It just amazes me that people who seemingly have everything to live for would do something like this. Why not just take your own life?????

JDB
06-26-2007, 12:50 PM
Now I am PO.According to the link below. Benoit started sending weird text messages early Sunday. The WWE contacted the police but it does not say if it was Sunday or Monday. If the police were contacted on SUnday why did they wait till Monday. Or if the WWE held off till Monday WHY??? The poor boy could have been saved.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitupdate

ember
06-26-2007, 12:57 PM
I imagine he killed his wife on Saturday in a rage and that killing was more violent.

When the full impact of what he had done hit him, I think that is when he decided to kill his son (who he couldn't imagine motherless AND fatherless), which he did on Sunday, and I that killing was "less violent" - probably even done when he son was asleep.

Then, of course, he took his own life - perhaps by hanging, maybe ODing.


Boy, did you hit that nail on the head. That is exactly what happened..even the part about his boy being asleep when he smothered him.....I think you have ESP!

indallas2
06-26-2007, 01:06 PM
Now I am PO.According to the link below. Benoit started sending weird text messages early Sunday. The WWE contacted the police but it does not say if it was Sunday or Monday. If the police were contacted on SUnday why did they wait till Monday. Or if the WWE held off till Monday WHY??? The poor boy could have been saved.
http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/benoitupdate

I also read that he was watching the Sunday PPV with his son while texting his WWE friends..........then I read that they think his wife was killed on Saturday - so the son was still alive on Sunday when his mother was already dead????

OMG - that poor little boy - I hope and pray he didn't know any of what happened.

I also thought it a little odd that the police didn't check on the family until Monday.

Class-z
06-26-2007, 01:07 PM
Boy, did you hit that nail on the head. That is exactly what happened..even the part about his boy being asleep when he smothered him.....I think you have ESP!

And do we think that he was taking Steriods? Just a thought, not an excuse, but so many of these athletes do, and they cause rages and changes in personality.

They've said he strangeled the wife Satruday, smothered the son in his bed, then what? Did he hang himself or what?

Those poor victims.

JDB
06-26-2007, 01:13 PM
I also read that he was watching the Sunday PPV with his son while texting his WWE friends..........then I read that they think his wife was killed on Saturday - so the son was still alive on Sunday when his mother was already dead????

OMG - that poor little boy - I hope and pray he didn't know any of what happened.

I also thought it a little odd that the police didn't check on the family until Monday.

I just read another bit. I hope Benoit surving kids sue the HECK out of the WWE. They did not contact the LE until Monday.:furious:

indallas2
06-26-2007, 01:15 PM
And do we think that he was taking Steriods? Just a thought, not an excuse, but so many of these athletes do, and they cause rages and changes in personality.

They've said he strangeled the wife Satruday, smothered the son in his bed, then what? Did he hang himself or what?

Those poor victims.

I read something that said that the WWE has been cracking down on steriod use and testing the wrestlers more often and suspending those that are using.

But we all know people can and do use under the radar.

Reannan
06-26-2007, 01:15 PM
I don't get the part about his wife being killed in the living room on Saturday, and him and his son watching TV on Sunday. Surely, the boy had to know where his Mom was, or at the very least wondering where she was???!!! I suppose the house was so large, the boy was never allowed near the living room after the Mother was killed. I think the reasons behind this are going to be very strange, and will probably not make any sense to any of us. I think we could all understand infidelity, etc. being a motive, but that old tried-and-true motive doesn't feel right in this case.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 01:16 PM
Please...This man is a cold blooded wife and child killer. There is no excuse in the world to murder your child....

I wasn't making an excuse for him. Certainly there are no good reasons to kill someone else - but people still come up with plenty of reasons to do it -I was just positing what one of his reasons might have been.

MagicRose99
06-26-2007, 01:19 PM
And do we think that he was taking Steriods? Just a thought, not an excuse, but so many of these athletes do, and they cause rages and changes in personality.

They've said he strangeled the wife Satruday, smothered the son in his bed, then what? Did he hang himself or what?

Those poor victims.

The article I read (on CNN?) said they are looking into steriod use. Steriods really mess people up.

Angie4b1g
06-26-2007, 01:20 PM
I'd never heard of this guy until this story, but whoa what an odd story!

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 01:21 PM
Per www.tmz.com: (http://www.tmz.com:)

TMZ has learned more about the deaths of WWE wrestling superstar Chris Benoit, his wife and son -- and the information is extremely disturbing.

Several Atlanta-based law enforcement sources have told TMZ Benoit may have strangled his wife on Saturday, then smothered his son in his bed a day later.

One source told TMZ that Benoit was texting friends during Sunday's WWE "Vengeance" Pay-Per-View program -- possibly watching the show with his son, who may have been alive at the time.

According to sources, Benoit then hanged himself Monday in a weight room inside the family home.

Glad more information has surfaced. This is the way I originally thought it had gone down, but then when I read that they described the crime scene as brutal, I thought he had perhaps beaten them to death with something.

God bless this family and the ones left behind.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 01:24 PM
Boy, did you hit that nail on the head. That is exactly what happened..even the part about his boy being asleep when he smothered him.....I think you have ESP!

Hi ember! I just call them like I see them and I am surely not always right!!

This is just shocking and tragic and I don't blame WWE for anything.

PrayersForMaura
06-26-2007, 01:25 PM
We know how steroids affected her husband in the Donna Yaklich story. He was very, very violent.

"In this made-for-TV drama, Donna Yaklich is visited by her son in the correctional facility where she will spend many years. There she explains the terrible circumstances of her incarceration. Her trouble began when she fell in love with Dennis, an upstanding and seemingly stable police officer. Unfortunately, she discovers that Dennis, an obsessive weight-lifter is regularly taking large doses of steroids. These drugs not only bulk up his muscles, they also make him dangerously aggressive and verbally abusive. Afraid for herself and her children, Donna tries to leave Dennis, but he refuses to let go. After many skirmishes and futile attempts to leave, Donna feels that she will only be free when he is dead. ~ Sandra Brennan, All Movie Guide "

http://www.answers.com/topic/cries-unheard-the-donna-yaklich-story?cat=entertainment

JDB
06-26-2007, 01:26 PM
I don't get the part about his wife being killed in the living room on Saturday, and him and his son watching TV on Sunday. Surely, the boy had to know where his Mom was, or at the very least wondering where she was???!!! I suppose the house was so large, the boy was never allowed near the living room after the Mother was killed. I think the reasons behind this are going to be very strange, and will probably not make any sense to any of us. I think we could all understand infidelity, etc. being a motive, but that old tried-and-true motive doesn't feel right in this case.

The wife was found in an office. The door might have been locked.

lymom3
06-26-2007, 01:27 PM
I don't get the part about his wife being killed in the living room on Saturday, and him and his son watching TV on Sunday. Surely, the boy had to know where his Mom was, or at the very least wondering where she was???!!! I suppose the house was so large, the boy was never allowed near the living room after the Mother was killed. I think the reasons behind this are going to be very strange, and will probably not make any sense to any of us. I think we could all understand infidelity, etc. being a motive, but that old tried-and-true motive doesn't feel right in this case.

He busted up another marriage to get his wife. If she then cheated on him, should he be surprised? Looking at the size of him you just have to wonder about steroids and their possible influence.

JDB
06-26-2007, 02:54 PM
Presse at 3:00 EST. Fox online is showing it

christine2448
06-26-2007, 03:06 PM
I don't get the part about his wife being killed in the living room on Saturday, and him and his son watching TV on Sunday. Surely, the boy had to know where his Mom was, or at the very least wondering where she was???!!! I suppose the house was so large, the boy was never allowed near the living room after the Mother was killed. I think the reasons behind this are going to be very strange, and will probably not make any sense to any of us. I think we could all understand infidelity, etc. being a motive, but that old tried-and-true motive doesn't feel right in this case.

I'm right down the street from this and they are saying on our radio stations that the wife was found in the office, not the living room. Not sure how accurate the reporting is however.

ETA, I see JDB says the same, so maybe that is the correct reporting, thanks JDB.

indallas2
06-26-2007, 03:18 PM
Presse at 3:00 EST. Fox online is showing it

Anyone watching this press conference??? What are they saying now???

Dena
06-26-2007, 03:19 PM
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1563400/20070626/index.jhtml

SNIP ~

Benoit and Nancy, a wrestling manager who worked under the name "Woman," had been married since 2000 but had separated in May 2003 when Nancy filed for divorce, according to the Journal-Constitution.
Accompanying that filing was a petition for protection from domestic abuse, with Nancy claiming that she was intimidated by her husband, who "lost his temper and threatened to strike the petitioner and cause extensive damage to the home." In another count, she claimed Benoit had destroyed furniture in their home.
On the same day the divorce and petition for protection were filed, a judge issued a restraining order against the wrestler, which barred him from the family's home. A few months later, in August, Nancy filed to have both the divorce and protective petition dismissed.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 03:19 PM
ABC Radio is reporting that Nancy took out a restraining order against Chris in 2003 for domestic abuse, calling him a "threat" but then requesting the order by removed 3 months later.

shyspinner
06-26-2007, 03:23 PM
Are there others here like me about this?

Yes!! I am like a tape recording when my boys (who are mostly grown) go out my door. They always say " I KNOW MOM, I'll be careful" but you know I still make myself sick about what could happen to them, and they don't even drive yet. We are city dwellers and have been able to walk to most places so there really was never a big need. I don't have the driving thing to think about like many do, I still worry about them being in a car with friends :silenced: I try to make myself shut up, but I can't.

Some crimes are just the wrong person being in the wrong place, and I'm preachy about 'em being in the wrong place I guess :doh:

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 03:25 PM
I have always been a huge Benoit fan. This is like a punch in the gut. I just can't wrap my head around it entirely. He is clearly a steroid user and those rages sound like the caused him to be abusive, as well, perhaps. Now he is a cold blooded killer. Unreal. :( RIP Nancy and Daniel.

Dena
06-26-2007, 03:26 PM
Seems WWE is regretting their tribute decision -

http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25126&p=1

SNIP ~


PWInsider.com has received word that WWE will not be sending the three hour Chris Benoit (http://www.pwinsider.com/ViewArticle.asp?id=25126&p=1#) tribute show that aired last night on the USA Network out to their international affiliates for airing. We've also received word that The Score in Canada will not run the program during their regularly scheduled Raw replays this week.

shyspinner
06-26-2007, 03:28 PM
I really think that steroids is going to be a big factor in this. Those reports above ^ sound much like a friend of mine who divorced her roid abusing, violent husband. She was afraid of his nasty outbursts.

pedinurse
06-26-2007, 03:31 PM
I agree also. Here is another little part of the same story.


You cannot find fault with WWE airing the 3 hour tribute. They had no clue at the start of their show that it was a double murder-suicide. I'm sure some had that possible scenario in the back of their minds. It was too coincidental that Benoit goes home for a 'family emergency', and then they all end up deceased?

No... they found out late in the afternoon anyway. They had no way to make a good decision on this. They made the decision to make a tribute - if they hadn't and it had been an accidental death they would have been reemed. Better to do a tribute while you are naive to what happened I guess. You know what I mean? He was a long time employee and a well known celebrity that was pretty well liked. How sad / angering for all the staff / fans.
It is so sad and SICK that the little boy may have been up as late as Sunday night watching TV with is dad. If someone had just gone to check on them maybe the little boy would still be alive. How sad.

ember
06-26-2007, 03:32 PM
DA baffled by what motive may be

No signs of struggle from boy found in his bed in his upstairs room...smothered

Nancy's feet and hands were bound and she was found in an upstairs room as well....said it looked like a family room...strangled

Benoit hung himself with a cord from a pulley type weight machine in the basement.

Wife died Friday, son died late Friday, early Saturday, Chris, sometime Saturday.

Chris laid a bible next to each of the bodies.

Family emergency was that his son was throwing up blood :confused: (I wonder why he said that? The boy would have been gone by then)

Steriods found in the home...perscribed to Chris




When was he supposed to have sent the texts? I'm confused......I thought he sent texts on Sunday....DA is saying he was dead by then......

JDB
06-26-2007, 03:34 PM
All I can say is there is a lot of mis information some where. The LE has NAncy on Friday. Daniel on Sat. some time along with Chris.But They did confirm Nancy was in an office/family room and Danile was found in his bed. They also stated that both bodies were fully clothed and wrapped in towels. It gets more bizarre. Nancy was tied hands and feet. Both bodies had Bibles laying next to them when the were found
Chris's body was found in the weight room. Sounds like he used the rope from the wieght machine to hand from
All All a worthless case of people dying.

Dena
06-26-2007, 03:35 PM
My god... I am just stunned by this whole thing.
So when Chris was sending the text messages on Sunday, it was already done.

No struggle from the son? I wonder if it's because if a 250 pound man holds a pillow over a 7 year old's head, there's no room for struggle.

JDB
06-26-2007, 03:37 PM
My god... I am just stunned by this whole thing.
So when Chris was sending the text messages on Sunday, it was already done.

No struggle from the son? I wonder if it's because if a 250 pound man holds a pillow over a 7 year old's head, there's no room for struggle.

That is what is bugging me. How can Chris be sending text messages on Sunday. If TOD is Sat.

lymom3
06-26-2007, 03:39 PM
My god... I am just stunned by this whole thing.
So when Chris was sending the text messages on Sunday, it was already done.

No struggle from the son? I wonder if it's because if a 250 pound man holds a pillow over a 7 year old's head, there's no room for struggle.

The last memory that poor little boy had is his daddy taking his life. My heart breaks for him. I hope that Daniel is at peace now.

beakiebean
06-26-2007, 03:39 PM
I have always been a huge Benoit fan. This is like a punch in the gut. I just can't wrap my head around it entirely. He is clearly a steroid user and those rages sound like the caused him to be abusive, as well, perhaps. Now he is a cold blooded killer. Unreal. :( RIP Nancy and Daniel.

I know what you mean about a punch in the gut. I don't follow football so when the OJ thing happened it wasn't hard for me to believe that some guy I'd only heard of in passing could murder his wife-but Benoit-I grew up watching him and it's just baffling me that he presented such a different face to the world than he apparently did at home. It's so hard to absorb the idea.

The Bible thing is odd-guess there is more to this story that will come out-or not come out-in the end.

Becca

Dena
06-26-2007, 03:41 PM
That is what is bugging me. How can Chris be sending text messages on Sunday. If TOD is Sat.

I thought Chris killed himself on Sunday...

ETA... Nevermind, I just reread that it's Saturday. I'm super confused.

ember
06-26-2007, 03:42 PM
DA baffled by what motive may be

No signs of struggle from boy found in his bed in his upstairs room...smothered

Nancy's feet and hands were bound and she was found in an upstairs room as well....said it looked like a family room...strangled

Benoit hung himself with a cord from a pulley type weight machine in the basement.

Wife died Friday, son died late Friday, early Saturday, Chris, sometime Saturday.

Chris laid a bible next to each of the bodies.

Family emergency was that his son was throwing up blood :confused: (I wonder why he said that? The boy would have been gone by then)

Steriods found in the home...perscribed to Chris




When was he supposed to have sent the texts? I'm confused......I thought he sent texts on Sunday....DA is saying he was dead by then......

Sorry to quote myself but DA says TOD is Saturday...I don't get it either......

indallas2
06-26-2007, 03:46 PM
Earlier reports had Benoit texting to his WWE friends on Sunday night during the PVP or was the PVP Saturday night.

One report said the only text message found on his phone was from 4:00am on Sunday morning.

WOW, this is really hard to digest.

christine2448
06-26-2007, 03:50 PM
AJC Newsletters <newsletters@my.ajc.com> to christine2448
show details 3:43 pm (4 minutes ago)


Fayette authorities say wrestler, wife and son were asphyxiated. Steroids found in home.
Fayette County authorities say wrestler, wife and son were asphyxiated. Steroids were found in the home.

christine2448
06-26-2007, 03:51 PM
Past abuse, wife had restraining order and filed for divorce, then dropped it, not sure ya'll have seen this, sorry if a repeat, working and trying to follow ;)

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 03:55 PM
Pro wrestler Chris Benoit strangled his wife, suffocated his 7-year-old son and placed a Bible next to their bodies before hanging himself by the pulley of a weightlifting machine, authorities said Tuesday.

Investigators also found prescription anabolic steroids in the house, Lt. Tommy Pope of the Fayette County Sheriff's Department. He would not comment on Benoit's state of mind or possible motive.

Autopsies showed all three died of asphyxiation, Pope said.

Benoit's wife, Nancy, was killed Friday in an upstairs family room, her feet and wrists were bound and there was blood under her head, indicating a possible struggle, Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard said.

The son, Daniel, was likely killed late Saturday or early Sunday, the body found in his bed, Ballard said.

Benoit apparently killed himself several hours and as long as a day later, Ballard said. His body was found in a downstairs weight room, his body found hanging from the pulley of a piece of exercise equipment.

The prosecutor said he found it "bizarre" that the WWE wrestling star spread out the killings over a long weekend and appeared to remain in the house for up to a day with the bodies.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070626/ap_on_re_us/wrestler_dead&printer=1

Dena
06-26-2007, 03:56 PM
Police also revealed Tuesday that a text message was sent from Chris Benoit's cellphone.
Fayette Sheriff's Lt. Tommy Pope said the message was sent at 4:30 a.m. Saturday, but he decline to disclose the message's content or recipient.
Benoit's employer, World Wrestling Entertainment, said on its Website Tuesday that Benoit had sent
"several curious text messages" to friends, but police on Tuesday said they had identified only the one.

----------------------------------------------------

ember
06-26-2007, 04:00 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286737,00.html


***snip***
Police said that Nancy Benoit died of asphyxiation on Friday, said Fayette County District Attorney Scott Ballard. She was found in an upstairs family room with her legs and wrists bound, he said

The Benoits' son, Daniel, was killed by asphyxiation sometime Saturday morning, Ballard said. He was found in his bed upstairs. Both mother and son had bibles placed at their sides.
Authorities found the pro wrestler dead in the basement, hanging from the pulley of a weight machine. He died sometime late Saturday, Ballard said.

***end snip***

Rest at link

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 04:01 PM
The last memory that poor little boy had is his daddy taking his life. My heart breaks for him. I hope that Daniel is at peace now.

The boy was probably asleep and a pillow was put over his mouth and nose. I doubt he saw anything.

ziggy
06-26-2007, 04:01 PM
Roid Rage.

So very sad. I hate wrestling really. It's just bad. I don't find any redeeming quality in it at all.

I believe the steroids along with mixing alcohol or other drugs, in addition to his recent marriage troubles is the cause. Roid ragers can experience halucinations and it can get knarly.

So much power and rage is very scarey.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 04:05 PM
I think the killings were spread out because of his state of mind. I think he killed his wife in anger and then truly couldn't handle what he had done and didn't want to face his son knowing.

He obviously debated whether or not to kill the boy, but finally decided he could not live with his son knowing what he had done to the boy's mother.

He knew he had to kill himself after all this because he couldn't live with the consequences, but he had to work up the courage to do it.

The Bibles next to his wife and son's bodies show remourse and regret, IMO.

christine2448
06-26-2007, 04:06 PM
WSBTV.com (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?treets=atl&tml=atl_break&ts=T&tmi=atl_break_1_01570206262007)
Baswell said Benoit had promised to teach his 13-year-old son Gavin how to wrestle. In a letter placed on the wreath, Gavin promised to grow up and become a wrestler like Benoit.

"Hey Chris, hope you like it up there in heaven. Don't worry about me. I'm still going to wrestle. Tell Daniel and Nancy I said hi," the letter said.

christine2448
06-26-2007, 04:15 PM
WSBTV.com Newsroom" <emailnews@wsbtv.com> to christine2448
show details 4:00 pm (14 minutes ago)

==============================
Top Story
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Bibles Found Next To Wrestler's Wife, Son
4:45 UPDATE: Police said Chris Benoit strangled his wife on Friday, smothered
his son Saturday morning and then hanged himself later Saturday.
3:30 UPDATE: Nancy Benoit's feet and hands were bound.
3:25 UPDATE: Bibles were found next to each of the murder victims, according to
prosecutors.
3:20 UPDATE: Police believe Chris Benoit killed his wife on Friday.
2:30 UPDATE: Court records show Nancy Benoit accused her husband of domestic
violence in 2003, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Reannan
06-26-2007, 04:15 PM
Woud "roid range" last over a period of days? I thought it would be something more like a large outburst of anger, followed by a return to whatever the baseline was. This appears to be something that took place over several days. The bibles placed next to the bodies may or may not be of interest. Didn't I read someplace that Nany had used some sort of "satanic" theme during her early days of performing??? If so, maybe he had a psychotic break that caused him to think she and Daniel were posessed, and the only way he could save them was to take their life, therefore, ending the demon's hold over them. After doing so, perhaps he had enough sanity to realize what he had done, and took his own life. Other people who have taken the lives of loved ones because they were trying to drive out the demons, typically walk away as if they feel they have done something necessary....no need to kill theirselves. Strange case.

JDB
06-26-2007, 04:16 PM
He busted up another marriage to get his wife. If she then cheated on him, should he be surprised? Looking at the size of him you just have to wonder about steroids and their possible influence.

This has to be cleared up a little. Nancy husband Kevin Sullivan suggested a storyline on TV where Nancy and Chris were attracted to each other on TV.Kevin and Nancy's marriage later on was going down hill quick.She divorce Kevin and then Chris and Nacy got together R/t.

anneoakley63
06-26-2007, 04:22 PM
Right JDB. If I'm not mistaken, she filed for divorce from Kevin in 1996 or later. She and Chris married in 2000.

I met Chris in 1994 in Orlando, FL. He was every bit a gentleman, buying my drinks, dancing and talking. We had a few things in common, as I'd dated a pro-wrestler in the mid 1980's. He was very personable and friendly. I'm in shock at the moment with everything that has happened. A family has been lost and it's very sad. :(

Class-z
06-26-2007, 04:24 PM
Earlier reports had Benoit texting to his WWE friends on Sunday night during the PVP or was the PVP Saturday night.

One report said the only text message found on his phone was from 4:00am on Sunday morning.

WOW, this is really hard to digest.

maybe he texted on Saturday, but it wasn't recieved, picked up until Sunday. (shrug) I know, far fetched but hey, it would be an explanation.

I figured it had to be roid rage... Just knew he had to of been taking Steriods.

Maybe Nancy's feet and hands were tied, becasue he was going to at first make it look like a breakin and murder, then the guilt got to him, or the drugs did.

Or maybe he was acting out again and she threatened to leave again and he tied her up to keep her from going.

Wonder where the child was during all of this?

Class-z
06-26-2007, 04:27 PM
WSBTV.com (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?treets=atl&tml=atl_break&ts=T&tmi=atl_break_1_01570206262007)
Baswell said Benoit had promised to teach his 13-year-old son Gavin how to wrestle. In a letter placed on the wreath, Gavin promised to grow up and become a wrestler like Benoit.

"Hey Chris, hope you like it up there in heaven. Don't worry about me. I'm still going to wrestle. Tell Daniel and Nancy I said hi," the letter said.

I don't think this murderer of a woman and a young child is going to heaven

christine2448
06-26-2007, 04:31 PM
Chris' wife, I believe as "The Fallen Angel"

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y171/christine2448/nancydaus1.jpg

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 04:31 PM
Right JDB. If I'm not mistaken, she filed for divorce from Kevin in 1996 or later. She and Chris married in 2000.

I met Chris in 1994 in Orlando, FL. He was every bit a gentleman, buying my drinks, dancing and talking. We had a few things in common, as I'd dated a pro-wrestler in the mid 1980's. He was very personable and friendly. I'm in shock at the moment with everything that has happened. A family has been lost and it's very sad. :(

Who did you date??? Was his name Hulk? :crazy:

Peter Hamilton
06-26-2007, 04:33 PM
just saw this news--what madness--I can only assume his wife said she wanted out as far as a motive goes--but to murder his own 7 year old son too--"Roid Rage" has been implicated as a factor in several murders before this,so that could at least explain the wife killing but not his son's many hours later-----rot in hell you lowlife

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 04:41 PM
WSBTV.com (http://www.wsbtv.com/news/13567642/detail.html?treets=atl&tml=atl_break&ts=T&tmi=atl_break_1_01570206262007)
Baswell said Benoit had promised to teach his 13-year-old son Gavin how to wrestle. In a letter placed on the wreath, Gavin promised to grow up and become a wrestler like Benoit.

"Hey Chris, hope you like it up there in heaven. Don't worry about me. I'm still going to wrestle. Tell Daniel and Nancy I said hi," the letter said.


Geeez I think the driver needs to have a serious chat with his son and give the kid some perspective!

MissieMt
06-26-2007, 04:53 PM
I haven't watched wrestling in YEARS, but this snews is heartbreaking none the less. Sounds like he was a very troubled man. My son is 7 and to hear of a child lost like this is so sad.

tezi
06-26-2007, 04:53 PM
I am in absolute shock over this. Obviously, there were problems in the Benoit marriage, however, I am not about to call Chris a "low life," because of what has happened. I'm not excusing what he has done either, I just believe that the "wage sin pays is death." None of us know what happened in those few days, and I don't feel comfortable judging either of their behaviors. I feel terrible that whatever the problems were, he felt he had to kill his son also.

Personally, I think steroids have a lot to do with this, and I think in the end they may have been the underlying cause.

Just sad, terribly sad.

Shazza
06-26-2007, 04:58 PM
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=275424

Just a little snippet from the Australian Press.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 04:59 PM
I don't think this murderer of a woman and a young child is going to heaven

Why not?

SeriouslySearching
06-26-2007, 05:01 PM
OMG! Another one! I would say this is becoming an epidemic recently! Man kills family because he is stupid, selfish, and cruel! Unflippingbelievable!! What IS going on?!

Bee Happy
06-26-2007, 05:06 PM
This is just has horrible as any other story of a man who kills his wife/gf and child(ren)/unborn child. He just took the cowards way out.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:08 PM
Why not?

A double murder (thou shalt not kill) who then committs suicide wouldn't be a great candidate for heaven. But, God knows his heart and mind, so I won't say for certain and leave that up to God. "Why not" was a silly question, however. And you know it. :slap:

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 05:12 PM
A double murder (thou shalt not kill) who then committs suicide wouldn't be a great candidate for heaven. But, God knows his heart and mind, so I won't say for certain and leave that up to God. "Why not" was a silly question, however. And you know it. :slap:

While I've no doubt that karma is attached to his choices, I believe he will feel the presence of a loving God and I'm glad for that. From the looks of the way things ended, he needs that sort of Love a great deal.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 05:13 PM
I am in absolute shock over this. Obviously, there were problems in the Benoit marriage, however, I am not about to call Chris a "low life," because of what has happened. I'm not excusing what he has done either, I just believe that the "wage sin pays is death." None of us know what happened in those few days, and I don't feel comfortable judging either of their behaviors. I feel terrible that whatever the problems were, he felt he had to kill his son also.

Personally, I think steroids have a lot to do with this, and I think in the end they may have been the underlying cause.

Just sad, terribly sad.


You don't feel comfortable judging either of their behaviors? WTF?

I have no problem calling him a cold bloooded murderer! He bound his wife's feet and hands killed her....had plenty of time to think and chose to murder his 7 year old son.

What's your problem ?????:banghead:

Bee Happy
06-26-2007, 05:15 PM
You don't feel comfortable judging either of their behaviors? WTF?

I have no problem calling him a cold bloooded murderer! He bound his wife's feet and hands killed her....had plenty of time to think and chose to murder his 7 year old son.

What's your problem ?????:banghead:

Exactly. I mean, would it be different if he were alive and lied about it? That's the only difference between he and other killer dads in the news lately.

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 05:17 PM
I do NOT believe that the WWE people did not know that murder-suicide was strongly suspected. The minute police found those bodies they knew what had happened.

And it was WWE people who eventually called the police, was it not? Does anyone actually think when the WWE people were notified of the deaths by police that NO details were given to them?

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:20 PM
While I've no doubt that karma is attached to his choices, I believe he will feel the presence of a loving God and I'm glad for that. From the looks of the way things ended, he needs that sort of Love a great deal.

I belive God is loving but also just, and there must be justice for such an offense. Cain was punished for killing Abel and God has been just ever since.

PaperDoll
06-26-2007, 05:22 PM
This is so sad and so uncalled for. Why didn't he just take his own life if he was that unhappy instead of taking his wife and son. :(

Hubby and I watch wrestling sometimes but lately we find it to be too much talk and not enough wrestle..

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 05:22 PM
I do NOT believe that the WWE people did not know that murder-suicide was strongly suspected. The minute police found those bodies they knew what had happened.

And it was WWE people who eventually called the police, was it not? Does anyone actually think when the WWE people were notified of the deaths by police that NO details were given to them?

I simply can't fault the WWE for their decisions. Police don't give out a lot of information (especially in a case that is going to get press like this) until their pretty sure what happened. For all the WWE knew at the time, the three were murdered.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:22 PM
I do NOT believe that the WWE people did not know that murder-suicide was strongly suspected. The minute police found those bodies they knew what had happened.

And it was WWE people who eventually called the police, was it not? Does anyone actually think when the WWE people were notified of the deaths by police that NO details were given to them?

I think the tone of last night's show/tribute, which was 3 hours long, changed as the night went on and more details came out. The wrestlers just weren't as sad sounding at the end of it, neither were the announcers. It was obvious things were changing even as the show progressed.

PaperDoll
06-26-2007, 05:23 PM
I belive God is loving but also just, and there must be justice for such an offense. Kane was punished for killing Abel and God has been just ever since.


Yes, he punished Kane but he also spared him.. That is God's mercy.

JDB
06-26-2007, 05:24 PM
I do NOT believe that the WWE people did not know that murder-suicide was strongly suspected. The minute police found those bodies they knew what had happened.

And it was WWE people who eventually called the police, was it not? Does anyone actually think when the WWE people were notified of the deaths by police that NO details were given to them?

Again first details known. The police called it a Homicide at firt. later they changed it to murder/Sucide.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:26 PM
Hubby and I watch wrestling sometimes but lately we find it to be too much talk and not enough wrestle..

You should watch TNA on Spike TV this Thursday night at 9pm EDT. They are going to have one 3-way match that reportedly takes up the entire show! I think the performers are Kurt Angle, Christian and Rhino. TNA is a nice alternative to WWE and more family friendly.

IndyGal
06-26-2007, 05:27 PM
DA baffled by what motive may be

Family emergency was that his son was throwing up blood :confused: (I wonder why he said that? The boy would have been gone by then)


This was from the press conference? This part really bothers me...Could it be that he had done something to cause his son to throw up blood (maybe he got mad and hit him in the stomach earlier in the day?) hmmm. If the wife threatened to call the police, maybe that set things in motion. Just thinking out loud

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:27 PM
Yes, he punished Kane but he also spared him.. That is God's mercy.

And what about those the bible said were in Hell and tried to convince God to warn their family members still alive to repent?

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:31 PM
This was from the press conference? This part really bothers me...Could it be that he had done something to cause his son to throw up blood (maybe he got mad and hit him in the stomach earlier in the day?) hmmm. If the wife threatened to call the police, maybe that set things in motion. Just thinking out loud

I think that may have just been an excuse to get off working. But you may also be onto something.

PaperDoll
06-26-2007, 05:33 PM
And what about those the bible said were in Hell and tried to convince God to warn their family members still alive to repent?


That had nothing to do with Kane. It was, if I recall correctly, the rich man. The Bible doesn't say why he was in hell and I don't think it was because he was rich. Maybe he didn't have a heart for the Lord, who knows. Kane believed in God even though he killed Abel. God drove Kane out of the land but put a mark on him so no one would kill him. God spared his life... :p

thanks for the wrestling tip :p

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:37 PM
That had nothing to do with Kane. It was, if I recall correctly, the rich man. The Bible doesn't say why he was in hell and I don't think it was because he was rich. Maybe he didn't have a heart for the Lord, who knows. Kane believed in God even though he killed Abel. God drove Kane out of the land but put a mark on him so no one would kill him. God spared his life... :p

thanks for the wrestling tip :p

Yes it was the rich man who was there for how he ignored and mistreated the needs of his servants who didn't have anything, even the scraps from the rich man's table. That is why I said God knows Benoit's heart and mindset better than we do, obviously, but not killing is one of the 10 Commandments.

And you're welcome for the wrestling tip. I am going to watch it and see if it lives up to the hype surrounding it. :P

PaperDoll
06-26-2007, 05:39 PM
Yes it was the rich man who was there for how he ignored and mistreated the needs of his servants who didn't have anything, even the scraps from the rich man's table. That is why I said God knows Benoit's heart and mindset better than we do, obviously, but not killing is one of the 10 Commandments.

And you're welcome for the wrestling tip. I am going to watch it and see if it lives up to the hype surrounding it. :P


:blowkiss:

Taximom
06-26-2007, 05:42 PM
You should watch TNA on Spike TV this Thursday night at 9pm EDT. They are going to have one 3-way match that reportedly takes up the entire show! I think the performers are Kurt Angle, Christian and Rhino. TNA is a nice alternative to WWE and more family friendly.

Just a warning about not so family friendly commercials on Spike TV especially during primetime hours. Something my kids don't need to see.

shyspinner
06-26-2007, 05:43 PM
What IS going on?!

Maybe there is something in the Viagra? I know that sounds nuts, but as the first generation of it being available,who knows what the long term effects might be...:angel:

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:44 PM
:blowkiss:

:blowkiss: back atcha!

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:47 PM
Just a warning about not so family friendly commercials on Spike TV especially during primetime hours. Something my kids don't need to see.

Good point. TNA's product and Spike's commercials don't always mesh, lol. It's ok for those who have TIVO, etc. though. But obviously there can be blood in wrestling which some kids don't need to see, either. (Although I watched bloody wrestling as a kid and I turned out JUST fine!) :D :crazy:

JDB
06-26-2007, 05:49 PM
Please we all have our own thoughts about Religon. Ca't we once have a threadgoing back and forth about it? And yes this is coming from a preachers kid.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Every Friday night I host a Smackdown party for my 9 year old and some of his friends. I've taken them to matches when it's in Philly. I am a little embarrassed to say I know all of their names and even have my own favorite. ( Bobby Lashly :crazy: )

A few weeks back I was appauled by the Vince McMann limo death hoax. It's hard enough to convince 3 or 4 nine & 10 year olds that WWE is ENTERTAINMENT and not real. But trying to convince them what they witness on live tv with their own eyes ( limo blowing up w/ Vince) was hell.

Then this mess.........it seems to me the media was reluctant to even report it as real news. Getting confirmation from a REAL news station was slow.

The tribute is still angering me.

I think we're taking a break for the summer from wrestling at my house.

PaperDoll
06-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Please we all have our own thoughts about Religon. Ca't we once have a threadgoing back and forth about it? And yes this is coming from a preachers kid.


:silenced: :silenced: :silenced: :p

Taximom
06-26-2007, 05:54 PM
Good point. TNA's product and Spike's commercials don't always mesh, lol. It's ok for those who have TIVO, etc. though. But obviously there can be blood in wrestling which some kids don't need to see, either. (Although I watched bloody wrestling as a kid and I turned out JUST fine!) :D :crazy:

Says who? :D:crazy: Kidding, DK.

We don't watch wrestling either, but sometimes hubby watches something on Spike and I see the commercials. :eek:

Of course he's like :dance: .


Back to this crime: If the son got into some of the steroids accidentally, (can they be taken orally?) could that have been why he threw up blood?

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:55 PM
Please we all have our own thoughts about Religon. Ca't we once have a threadgoing back and forth about it? And yes this is coming from a preachers kid.

Hey, it all started when some people decided to send Benoit to Hell and then some decided to yank him out, LOL! I'll leave it up to God and Jesus. :)

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 05:57 PM
Back to this crime: If the son got into some of the steroids accidentally, (can they be taken orally?) could that have been why he threw up blood?

Some steroids can be taken orally, but most seem to be done via injections right into the muscle. But yes, they can be taken orally, especially if prescribed.

shyspinner
06-26-2007, 06:10 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,286737,00.html


Text messages from the wrestler seem to have prompted the police to visit the home.

"The sheriff's department will only confirm that he sent one text message sometime around 4:30 a.m. Saturday, and I know that the WWE is saying that he sent several others, which is what prompted them to contact the sheriff's office to go do a welfare check at the house,"


Apter called Benoit pensive and quiet, adding: "Chris Benoit was not the type of guy that you would profile to do anything of what is being alleged to have happened."

I wonder if it's possible that Benoit was in some sort of trouble (?) and his wife and son were killed by someone else, then it was made to look like he'd done it, and took his own life. Just tossing around ideas.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 06:13 PM
Story with photos from the Atlanta paper:

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/fayette/stories/2007/06/25/0625benoit.html

This story says both the wife and son were bound and strangled.

AlwaysShocked
06-26-2007, 06:18 PM
In one of the articles the police specifically said they are not looking for anyone else in this case. So that would mean no signs of anyone else having been in the house?

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 06:20 PM
In one of the articles the police specifically said they are not looking for anyone else in this case. So that would mean no signs of anyone else having been in the house?

Also, one article I read said that the police had trouble getting to the house because of two big dogs on the property - it sure doesn't sound like anyone else broke in.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:22 PM
World Wrestling Entertainment issued the following this evening:

WWE&#174; Shocked At Latest Developments In Benoit Tragedy, Concerned By Sensationalistic Reporting


Written: June 26, 2007


STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.

However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:

1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.
WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:26 PM
World Wrestling Entertainment issued the following this evening:

WWE® Shocked At Latest Developments In Benoit Tragedy, Concerned By Sensationalistic Reporting


Written: June 26, 2007


STAMFORD, Conn., June 26, 2007 – World Wrestling Entertainment is stunned and saddened by the details released by local authorities concerning the double homicide-suicide involving Chris Benoit, his wife, Nancy, and his son, Daniel.

However, WWE is concerned with the sensationalistic reporting and speculation being undertaken by some members of the media following the press conference held by the Fayette County Sheriff’s Department and the District Attorney. During the press conference, the investigating authorities made the following points, all of which run contrary to the media speculation that "roid rage" was a factor in the senseless murders and suicide:

1. The authorities stated that all drugs found in the house were believed to be legal prescriptions.

2. Steroids were not, and could not, be related to the cause of death (asphyxiation). Authorities had no factual basis to speculate as to Benoit’s state of mind, and rightly did not do so.

3. Toxicology tests have not even been completed, so there is no current evidence that Benoit even had steroids or any other substance in his body. In that regard, on the last test done on Benoit by WWE's independently administered drug testing program, done on April 10, 2007, Benoit tested negative.

4. The physical findings announced by authorities indicate deliberation, not rage. The wife's feet and hands were bound and she was asphyxiated, not beaten to death. By the account of the authorities, there were substantial periods of time between the death of the wife and the death of the son, again suggesting deliberate thought, not rage. The presence of a Bible by each is also not an act of rage.

5. WWE strongly suggests that it is entirely wrong for speculators to suggest that steroids had anything to do with these senseless acts, especially when the authorities plainly stated there is no evidence that Benoit had steroids in his body, pending the toxicological reports, and that they had no evidence at this time as to the motive for these acts.
WWE is continuing to monitor the ongoing investigation being conducted by local authorities.


ROFLMAO!! WWE is doing a little CYA.

Although I do agree his son's death was premeditated, not done in a rage as is common with steroids.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 06:27 PM
It's definitely starting to sound like these murders were more calculated than I orginally thought. Very sad.

Taximom
06-26-2007, 06:28 PM
I think it's interesting WWE is concerned about "sensationalism". :silenced:

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 06:29 PM
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


I think it's interesting WWE is concerned about "sensationalism". :silenced:

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:29 PM
It's definitely starting to sound like these murders were more calculated than I orginally thought. Very sad.

I am hoping she was bound and had a towel wrapped around her after her death. Perhaps he contemplated moving & hiding the body before finally deciding to murder his son and take his own pathetic life.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:30 PM
I think it's interesting WWE is concerned about "sensationalism". :silenced:

Ain't that the truth!

lymom3
06-26-2007, 06:30 PM
ROFLMAO :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



I think it's interesting WWE is concerned about "sensationalism". :silenced:

norcalgirl03
06-26-2007, 06:31 PM
I haven't got through all of the posts yet, but is it confirmed that the text messages were actually sent from his phone? I frequently go online and can send them from my computer to hubby, etc. There's is a 'delayed delivery' option (or something along those lines) that you can choose when your message is sent. Never thought anything of it until now.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 06:31 PM
I am hoping she was bound and had a towel wrapped around her after her death. Perhaps he contemplated moving & hiding the body before finally deciding to murder his son and take his own pathetic life.

You could be right, but why was the son also bound? I suppose they will be able to tell upon autopsy when these two were tied up - before or after being strangled.

One article I read said the son was strangled and the other one said smothered.

BhamMama
06-26-2007, 06:33 PM
How terribly sad. Selfish too. Why take others with him? I just don't understand that kind of thinking.

I don't watch wrestling and had no clue who this was until dh reminded me we had seen him in May with his son at the Atlanta airport. He was one big dude!

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:34 PM
You could be right, but why was the son also bound? I suppose they will be able to tell upon autopsy when these two were tied up - before or after being strangled.

One article I read said the son was strangled and the other one said smothered.


I think it's speculation strangled vs smothered. I watched the press conference and the DA would not clarify. Simply stating aphyxiation as the cause of death in both his wife and son.

No one has said the son was tied up.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:36 PM
I think it's interesting WWE is concerned about "sensationalism". :silenced:

They only like it when THEY do it, not when it's done TO them. They have always been that way and are big-time hypocrites for it.

We need to realize we're basically talking about a bunch of "carnies" here, not brilliant businessmen and such, as as much as they pretend to be. They'd fail, and have failed, in any other business venture.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:37 PM
I've read that the wife was stranged with an electrical cord and the child was smothered with a plastic bag.

I can not confirm either story as they were posted on a wrestling site and I do not consider that a reputable source.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:38 PM
Fox news reported a little bit ago the content of the text messages and the last one said something about come and care for the dogs the door will be open.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:39 PM
How terribly sad. Selfish too. Why take others with him? I just don't understand that kind of thinking.


Because I don't think he killed them because he was suicidal, he was suicidal because he killed them. Big difference.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:41 PM
Fox news reported a little bit ago the content of the text messages and the last one said something about come and care for the dogs the door will be open.

I read somewhere that he texted he best friend Chavo Guererro saying only "Thank you and good bye."

BhamMama
06-26-2007, 06:42 PM
I'm not talking being suicidal, I'm talking about why hurt others period? If you are hurting, leave, divorce, yell, scream....but don't hurt others. And then and only then if the pos can't deal, let him off himself.

There is NO excuse at all for anyone to hurt a child. Don't care if he was suicidal or not. It's selfish to play g-d and decide that only you can determine someone else's worth and if they get to have a life or not.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:47 PM
WARNING SIGNS THAT SOMETHING WAS WRONG WITH CHRIS BENOIT

By: Bob Ryder
6/26/2007 5:08:55 PM </SPAN>


In speaking with close friends and confidants of Chris Benoit contacted this afternoon, apparently there were some warning signs that something was wrong with Benoit.

Some of the information learned by 1Wrestling.com by colleagues and friends that did not want to be quoted:

"This wasn't roid rage, this was insanity. Roid rage doesn't last for 48 hours. There were signs that something was wrong. Stories have emerged that a year ago he became paranoid and believed he was being followed. He wouldn't let Nancy leave the house because he believed someone was out to get them."

“Chris hated religion. He didn't believe in it. I cannot comprehend him putting bibles by the bodies. I am shocked.”

In addition, 1Wrestling has learned that sources close to Nancy are reporting that she had a safety deposit box with evidence of past rages and that authorities should check the box if anything ever happened to her.

http://www.1wrestling.com/news/newsline.asp?news=29059


That last paragraph was rather chilling and I hope LE finds the box, if it's true.

Linda7NJ
06-26-2007, 06:51 PM
I read somewhere that he texted he best friend Chavo Guererro saying only "Thank you and good bye."

I heard the texts were to Chavo too.

I consider both just rumors until I hear it from offical lips that don't mind being named as sources

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:51 PM
ABCNews.com's headline story has been updated with the following:

"Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor."

tezi
06-26-2007, 06:51 PM
You don't feel comfortable judging either of their behaviors? WTF?

I have no problem calling him a cold bloooded murderer! He bound his wife's feet and hands killed her....had plenty of time to think and chose to murder his 7 year old son.

What's your problem ?????:banghead:

Excuse me Linda, but I don't have a problem. It would appear that you have a problem with my post about not judging his behavior. Yes, he killed his son and his wife. But, do you know why? No, I would venture to say you don't. I fully believe that steroid rage could be an underlying cause here. However, I don't feel comfortable judging him or his wife because I don't know them.

If my posts enrage you, perhaps you shouldn't read them.:silenced:

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 06:52 PM
Another report of his final text messages:

http://www.pwtorch.com/artman/publish/article_20644.shtml

tezi
06-26-2007, 06:58 PM
Hey, it all started when some people decided to send Benoit to Hell and then some decided to yank him out, LOL! I'll leave it up to God and Jesus. :)

My thoughts exactly. It's also not up to me to judge his life choices.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 07:44 PM
I think it's speculation strangled vs smothered. I watched the press conference and the DA would not clarify. Simply stating aphyxiation as the cause of death in both his wife and son.

No one has said the son was tied up.

Under one of the photos at www.ajc.com (http://www.ajc.com) by the story, a caption reads that the boy was bound.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 07:48 PM
ABCNews.com's headline story has been updated with the following:

"Her hands were bound together, her feet were bound together, and there was a little blood over her face," District Attorney Scott Ballard told ABC News in an interview after the press conference. "The medical examiner found bruising on the small of her back and bruising on the front of her body consistent with being crushed up against the floor."


So he just laid on her and smushed her to death? :waitasec: :waitasec: I believe it could happen - it's just very odd and very personal, IMHO.

Kellee
06-26-2007, 08:07 PM
What I thought interesting about the WWE statement was that they said Chris tested negative for steriods as part of their testing program. What they didn't say was that they test for illegal steroids. Chris reportedly had legal prescriptions for his steroids.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 08:08 PM
Man, they weren't kidding when they said the details would be more and more bizarre! Daniel had needle marks in his arms, possibly from being given HGH due to the family believing him to be undersized (at age 7???)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

nanandjim
06-26-2007, 08:09 PM
So he just laid on her and smushed her to death? :waitasec: :waitasec: I believe it could happen - it's just very odd and very personal, IMHO.
I hate to say it, but I think that he put one foot on her back and used the cord to strangle her with her body being face down on the floor.

This guy was a nut. I read articles on the link that DK posted. It says that in 2003, Nancy got a protective order and filed for divorce because of the threat of violence.

I personally think that he snapped from all of the combined drugs in his body. Most probably were prescribed (pain pills, antidepressants, etc. -- a la ANS), but I bet dollars to donuts that he used steroids.

The one poster said that she saw him in the Atlanta airport and that he was huge. I bet that he was huge, partly due to steroids.

JDB
06-26-2007, 08:10 PM
Something is not sitting right with me. All the first article we saw yesterday after this tragic news. Quoting the LE stated they were investigating a triple homicide.Mind you this was after they found Chris hanging in the weight room.I would think they would have stated then possible murder sucide.But no they reported a Homicide.Thne we have the Bibles by Nancy and Daniel.But we here Chris was not a religious man.I really hope the LE dusted everything in the house fo prints.
Anyone could send text messages from someone phone.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:12 PM
Man, they weren't kidding when they said the details would be more and more bizarre! Daniel had needle marks in his arms, possibly from being given HGH due to the family believing him to be undersized (at age 7???)

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2917133

OMG! That's repulsive. Is that legal? What was going on in that house...?

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 08:12 PM
WWE Chairman Vince McMahon will apologize for the three-hour USA Network tribute to pro wrestler Chris Benoit that aired Monday night, sources said.

The WWE and USA Network have received complaints about the tribute, which was hastily produced after Mr. Benoit, his wife and their son were found dead in their Georgia home Monday afternoon.

Authorities said Tuesday that Mr. Benoit strangled his wife and suffocated his son, then took his own life. But WWE and network officials were unaware of the circumstances of Mr. Benoit’s death when the tribute was assembled, sources said.

Mr. McMahon will address wrestling fans tonight on Sci Fi Channel’s live Extreme Championship Wrestling event. He also plans to address speculation that Mr. Benoit’s actions were the result of steroid use.

http://tvweek.com/news/2007/06/mcmahon_to_apologize_for_benoi.php

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:13 PM
I hate to say it, but I think that he put one foot on her back and used the cord to strangle her with her body being face down on the floor.

This guy was a nut. I read articles on the link that DK posted. It says that in 2003, Nancy got a protective order and filed for divorce because of the threat of violence.

I personally think that he snapped from all of the combined drugs in his body. Most probably were prescribed (pain pills, antidepressants, etc. -- a la ANS), but I bet dollars to donuts that he used steroids.

The one poster said that she saw him in the Atlanta airport and that he was huge. I bet that he was huge, partly due to steroids.

Thanks, nanandjim, that makes sense to me - what you said about his wife's murder.

I may be wrong in saying this, but I don't think you can have the type of body he had without using steriods. That's just my opinion, of course.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:15 PM
Something is not sitting right with me. All the first article we saw yesterday after this tragic news. Quoting the LE stated they were investigating a triple homicide.Mind you this was after they found Chris hanging in the weight room.I would think they would have stated then possible murder sucide.But no they reported a Homicide.Thne we have the Bibles by Nancy and Daniel.But we here Chris was not a religious man.I really hope the LE dusted everything in the house fo prints.
Anyone could send text messages from someone phone.

One of the earlier links mentioned a friend saying he had recently found religion. I don't know if that's true or not, but it has been stated.

nanandjim
06-26-2007, 08:23 PM
Thanks, nanandjim, that makes sense to me - what you said about his wife's murder.

I may be wrong in saying this, but I don't think you can have the type of body he had without using steriods. That's just my opinion, of course.
Many of the articles said that he was taking anabolic steroids (prescribed). I would lay money that all of the professional wrestlers take steroids. Read the articles and see how many have died from complications due to steroid use. Also, many of the articles state or indicate that the violence may be due to steroid use.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:29 PM
Many of the articles said that he was taking anabolic steroids (prescribed). I would lay money that all of the professional wrestlers take steroids. Read the articles and see how many have died from complications due to steroid use. Also, many of the articles state or indicate that the violence may be due to steroid use.

It's a huge issue - I think that's well documented and I think the WWE is trying to fight connecting steroids to this incident and if I were the WWE, I would try to do that too.

The more I read about this case, the more it sounds planned and less like an out-of-control rage. But - they had that young boy on steroids, which breaks my heart. So steroids are part of this case, whether the WWE likes it or not.

I don't follow wrestling, but when I see men and women with bodies like that, I assume steroid use is involved. Why someone would take drugs to make themselves look that unattractive is beyond me!

nanandjim
06-26-2007, 08:33 PM
...Why someone would take drugs to make themselves look that unattractive is beyond me!

$$$ Follow the money trail. $$$

JDB
06-26-2007, 08:39 PM
One of the earlier links mentioned a friend saying he had recently found religion. I don't know if that's true or not, but it has been stated.

That might be. But again why did the LE say Homcides when they knew Chris was found hanging.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 08:45 PM
That might be. But again why did the LE say Homcides when they knew Chris was found hanging.

I don't know, but I'm always a bit skeptical about press at the beginning of incidents like these. Not that they try to print misinformation, but I think they want to print SOMETHING and what they come up with is not always right.

Many people have described the crime scene as bizarre.

Maybe he hung himself in the weight room in such a way that it was tough to figure out or looked like an accident.

Maybe LE didn't want to breathe a word about suicide-murder in such a highprofile case with a well-liked celebrity until they had really checked things out.

Maybe LE said homicide immediately because they had three dead bodies and had to say something and knew that much.

I have a lot of respect for LE here in Atlanta and am sure they are considering all the angles.

Something that speaks volumes to me in terms of it not being an intruder is the dogs that wouldn't let the cops in.

Paladin
06-26-2007, 08:50 PM
Mr. McMahon will address wrestling fans tonight on Sci Fi Channel’s live Extreme Championship Wrestling event.


Well, color me confuzzled.

JDB
06-26-2007, 08:55 PM
The DA on NG kept saying if Chris Did this. Sounds like they are still investagating it.

Reannan
06-26-2007, 09:20 PM
I think LE initially said murder because they did not find a suicide note at the scene. Most suicide victims leave a note....especially if you had a couple of hours, Hell, even days! to carry out the event. I believe he had a psychotic break with reality and thought his family was posessed with demons. He had to "save" them the only way he knew how. Not sure what to make of the needle marks on Daniel. Too early to tell.

Dark Knight
06-26-2007, 09:25 PM
Well, color me confuzzled.

lol, one of WWE's shows is now on Sci Fi as no other channel had room for it. In order to appease Sci Fi, they agreed to have some sci fi type characters on the show, such as a vampire (who is a pretty cool character, I must say.) So yes, it will be on Sci Fi tonight at 10pm EDT.

southcitymom
06-26-2007, 09:28 PM
I think LE initially said murder because they did not find a suicide note at the scene. Most suicide victims leave a note....especially if you had a couple of hours, Hell, even days! to carry out the event. I believe he had a psychotic break with reality and thought his family was posessed with demons. He had to "save" them the only way he knew how. Not sure what to make of the needle marks on Daniel. Too early to tell.

Apparently 7-year-old Daniel had been injecting steroids for a while because someone thought he was too small. That's what one of the articles says.

MsPooh
06-26-2007, 09:30 PM
o.k. I know in the promo photos for wrestling they are supposed to look all mean and bad...but TO ME his eyes are very scary and it isn't something you can "act"...this whole thing is just really driving me nuts..I was watching NG and my 10 year old son (who did not know about this) passed by the t.v. and just freaked out...I hate the fact that I have even let him get into wrestling at all :mad:

R.I.P. Little Man Daniel and Nancy

as for Benoit...well I will just keep IMHO to myself....:banghead:

DBinMA
06-26-2007, 09:39 PM
They only like it when THEY do it, not when it's done TO them. They have always been that way and are big-time hypocrites for it.

We need to realize we're basically talking about a bunch of "carnies" here, not brilliant businessmen and such, as as much as they pretend to be. They'd fail, and have failed, in any other business venture.


I totally agree that the WWE is full of hypocrites but MANY people in the WWE and in wrestling in general are very nice and educated people. I'm not going to defend Vince McMahon, he's an a** but don't trash the whole clan. I know some wrestlers personally and knew a whole lot more in the 80's. It's a rough business with a lot of good people in it.

Paladin
06-26-2007, 09:40 PM
lol, one of WWE's shows is now on Sci Fi as no other channel had room for it. In order to appease Sci Fi, they agreed to have some sci fi type characters on the show, such as a vampire (who is a pretty cool character, I must say.) So yes, it will be on Sci Fi tonight at 10pm EDT.

That's pretty funny. My fiance is really into the whole vampire thing (she doesn't dress the part like a goth girl, she just loves watching vampire movies and reading vampire books, go figure.)

Reannan
06-26-2007, 09:49 PM
We could start an entire discussion on vampires....one of my favorite topics.....and characters to portray! <said with a slight glint in her eye>