Madeleine McCann 3 year old missing in Portugal - Part 6

[Jeana (DP)]

Please continue here.

[CaliKid]

Thanks Jeana. I tried to edit my last post and all of a sudden the thread was locked. I guess that's what happens when my head is crammed with so much stuff I can't get it out quickly enough.

Anyway, as I started to say.

If Prince Charles is now personally involved, I wonder if writing him letters would help in any way. Then again, probably not. It sounds as if he's been taken in just like the rest of the world by these two scammers. It's like hitting your head against a brick wall.

I just feel so totally deflated about any efforts to truly find Madeleine, I am thoroughly depressed.

Sure McCanns, your daughter has been supposedly seen numerous times in Malta so lets go to... Ireland.

[Pinkhammer]

What you propose is altogether possible. For a long time it has been rumored that men in high places in government in Western countries have been able to select and have delivered to them whatever type child they want for whatever purposes. There was a scandal in the US that even implicated George Bush the elder, in his CIA days. IIRC, it is called the Franklin Institute Scandal and can be Googled.

Since the McCanns seem so well connected with men in powerful places, your scenario is not totally unbelievable.

Consider, too, that the McCann children are designer children. In vitro babies are usually conceived in threes and fours, then the pregnancy is "reduced" to the most healthy, or in some cases the most desirable (male or female; other genetic qualities).

The McCanns could make millions on the side with their beautiful designer children.

[colomom]

Why not hold the vigil in Malta? That makes more sense than going to Ireland! Oh wait, I think I know why...

Hi Meowy,

I have been searching like crazy since I saw this mention of Ireland because I remember seeing a news story that they have received the largest number of donations from Ireland. That would make sense since that is where GM is from. They have received alot of letters of support from there as well. If it was me, I would rather go there than to London where people might throw rocks at me (posted on the Digital Spy forum).


If they want attention, then going to Malta and having those sightings discounted would give them more attention as "oh, those poor parents.. they went and held a vigil, and their daughter wasn't there... it was some other child!" type deal. They come off as very much enjoying attention. Rather than shooing the public away so they can handle their sadness, it seems they would rather walk right into our livingroom and have tea with me this afternoon. I'll be having peach tea, btw.


Going to Malta makes sense but, that has been the problem with the McCanns from the start. What they say does not match what they do. Remember this article:http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007230315,00.html ....need I say more? :furious:

Unless... what about this scenario.. my brain is hot today!

Ugly, ugly, ugly but like you said, "Since it's Earth, anything is possible as long as there are humans here". I really think the "They've taken her" was to throw people off and make people think that an outsider was involved in her disappearance. Have you seen my theory? Did it make sense?

I dislike the thought of her going back to that house though, she needs a new caring family.

Amen, I will never stop worrying about her if she returns to their house.

[Jdee]

Good post Meowy! If you go back to thread 1 and read very early in it I was one of the first that brought up the "They've taken her" statement. That NEVER made sense to me and still doesn't. "They" does come across like someone you know or are familiar with. I would like to believe that this statement reported in the news is wrong and that this is not what Mrs. M said when she found her daughter gone.
WHY oh WHY did she not shout..."She's Gone!" ???

[Jdee]

Something came back to me today that has bugged me. I had to dig for the article...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1267692,00.html
Look at the top picture in the article...Note the guy in the background with the shades on. When I originally saw this picture it was much bigger and I remember thinking at the time.. what is that guy lookin at? And maybe it's nothing.. but it has bugged me since I saw it.
And note that the pic does not even show Madeleine's face. But sure shows that guy's face! Maybe a hidden agenda was going on with this photo being released to the public?
Anyone recall "egg head"?

[Jeana (DP)]

Something came back to me today that has bugged me. I had to dig for the article...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1267692,00.html
Look at the top picture in the article...Note the guy in the background with the shades on. When I originally saw this picture it was much bigger and I remember thinking at the time.. what is that guy lookin at? And maybe it's nothing.. but it has bugged me since I saw it.
And note that the pic does not even show Madeleine's face. But sure shows that guy's face! Maybe a hidden agenda was going on with this photo being released to the public?
Anyone recall "egg head"?



To me it looks like he's looking at the person taking the picture. I think Maddy's mostly blocked by her father.

[Lurker]

Or maybe they sold her or "loaned her" to someone who lives in Malta? They don't want to go to Malta because they know it's her.

Just a flip side to them not going because they know it's not her because she's dead.

[CaliKid]

http://www.functionpix.com/index.php...rn_Europe/1428

The fact that security guards prevented people from getting close to the girl and the adults with her makes me very suspicious. If it isn't Madeleine, why so much secrecy?

[colomom]

Something came back to me today that has bugged me. I had to dig for the article...
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1267692,00.html
Look at the top picture in the article...Note the guy in the background with the shades on. When I originally saw this picture it was much bigger and I remember thinking at the time.. what is that guy lookin at? And maybe it's nothing.. but it has bugged me since I saw it.
And note that the pic does not even show Madeleine's face. But sure shows that guy's face! Maybe a hidden agenda was going on with this photo being released to the public?
Anyone recall "egg head"?

Here is a bigger version of the picture. I agree with Jeana.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007240448,00.html

And here is "Egg Head":

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=453724&in_page_id=1770

[Jdee]

:cool: I dunno.. he has on sunglasses so he could be lookin at anything INCLUDING the family watching their movements and such...

[MoonGoddess]

colomom wrote:-
I really believe that prior to their dinner date that fateful evening GM and KM were preparing the kids for another evening alone. I think Maddie was not too pleased with the prospect. I think she had been traumatized a couple of nights previously, remember the reports of neighbors hearing her crying for her so-called father? She was not being cooperative and might even have thrown a fit. I think GM was angry at being kept from his "fun" that evening. I think he lost his temper when trying to get her to take her sedative and either scared her so badly that her little heart gave out or he manhandled her and fatally injured her. My reference to her heart has to do with the possibility of her having a heart defect related to a mild form of CHARGE that she might have had (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHARGE_syndrome) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CHARGE_syndrome)). I believe that GM panicked and convinced KM that they had to cover it up because if they didn't they would lose their medical licenses and the twins as well. I think he had time to take Maddie's body to a remote location and hide her and then return to the resort in time for dinner. I would love to know how their dinner mates felt about their behavior that night. I think KM felt no choice but to go along with her husband. Some of her body language shows some anger towards GM. Watch her in this video (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/...264418,00.html (http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1264418,00.html)) when she reads the script asking for the return of their daughter and GM nuzzles her at the end. Watch her eyes and the movement of her head and see if you don't pick up on a flash of anger towards GM. I see it right at the end when he starts rubbing on her. I thought the nuzzle looked like GM's way of saying "thanks for going along with protecting my sorry a$$". Once the deed was done they were trapped. No going back. I am not sure that they have involved anyone else in this deception (maybe the friend that said she saw a stranger carring a child?) but he could insure their silence by threating to expose their own neglect of their children. He could convince them that if they talked they would all end up investigated by the authorities.

So, that's it in a nutshell. Fire away with the "but what about" and "how does that fit in with" and let me see if I can give solid answers. Please shoot holes in my theory and convince me that she is still alive and will be returned to her so-called parents. :(

I feel Maddie speaking to my soul too. I think she is in the dark, scared, cold, lonely and confused. I think she is close to the resort. I wish I could go try to find her. I think the PJ knows more than they can tell. They don't have hard evidence and therefore can't make an accusation or an arrest.

Ok, fire away...let's examine the possibilities.


Hi you guys:blowkiss:

I have had to copy/paste colomons brilliant post from the last thread, I've tried 3 times to 'quote' it but am pretty useless at these things:doh:

I just wanted to post my theory on how I think the Mc'C's have gotten deep into this. Again I am copy/pasting as I cant put my hands on the actual article but it can be read in full at this site:- (3rd post down)

http://www.findmissingkids.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1469&sid=f67503d9d604bc1788185f8ab6e2ed55

The Inside Story of Campaign Maddy

Steven Swinford
The Sunday Times
June 10, 2007
Gerry and Kate McCann have led one of the biggest missing person appeals in history in order to find their daughter. Steven Swinford, who has covered the story from the start, explains the ideas, connections and raw emotional energy that have driven it....

IN the dark hours following Madeleine’s disappearance on the night of May 3 the McCanns searched the streets of Praia da Luz until 4.30am. Later that morning Kate called a family friend, Jill Renwick, who had worked with her and Gerry at a Glasgow hospital. ......

“At that point she was crying out for help,” said Jill. “She was desperate. I didn’t know what else to do so I picked up the phone and called GMTV. It was a random thing to do.” ......

So began one of the biggest missing person appeals in history. As hundreds of journalists began to flood into Praia da Luz, the McCanns realised the media had a key role to play.......

One early idea from the family was for Cristiano Ronaldo, Manchester United’s Portuguese winger, to make an appeal. Gerry called a friend who had contacts in the football world, and word reached Sir Alex Ferguson, the Manchester United manager.

“The quote that came back from him was ‘the boy will do it’,” said a source close to the family. Other football stars, including David Beckham, soon followed suit.

Family and friends took direct action. Jill Renwick approached Gordon Brown’s brother, John, who lives in her street in Glasgow....

Soon the chancellor contacted the McCanns and promised to help them “in any way he could”. It is thought pressure from Brown helped force Portuguese police to release details of a potential suspect seen by friends of the McCanns. He is also understood to have been instrumental in putting the request for the Harry Potter bookmarks to J K Rowling, the author.

The McCanns were advised by British police, however, that keeping their daughter in the public eye raised the chance of her being found alive...

the point I'm trying to show is that it was a well meaning freind that starting the ball rolling getting the media involved, that freind happened to live in the same street as our Chancellor, who in turn got other people on board and on it rolled, I dont think they accounted for all that, and as colomom says their in too deep. Lots of other bits in that article, this I thought was interesting:-

By the time theMcCanns reached Amsterdam on Thursday, they were exhausted and on edge. While they were composed and calm during interviews, off camera the strain showed. Twice during the day Kate broke down in tears and needed to be comforted by her husband before she was ready for the next interview.

Re Prince Charles helping out, I cant see that he's done much in response to the rumours surrounding the iffy story a bit closer to home, If he wont do much to help out in the enquiry into the mother of his own children, I cant see him being much help here.........oops best shut up:silenced: before I'm carted off to the tower..lol

Love you guys:blowkiss:

[Shazza]

Hi everyone, been catching up and there is no news of Madelaine.

I dont understand this vigil in Ireland, it seems senseless to me, it isnt helping to find Madelaine its just another media stunt to make the parents look good, get to Malta where there were sightings of Madelaine and use the money that has been donated to find the little girl instead of holding a vigil to pretty much say she isnt coming back, which she probably isnt because her parents know where she is.

[MoonGoddess]

Hi everyone, been catching up and there is no news of Madelaine.

I dont understand this vigil in Ireland, it seems senseless to me, it isnt helping to find Madelaine its just another media stunt to make the parents look good, get to Malta where there were sightings of Madelaine and use the money that has been donated to find the little girl instead of holding a vigil to pretty much say she isnt coming back, which she probably isnt because her parents know where she is.

Hi Shazza,

It was reported in the press yesterday that it is thought the fund is financing the new villa they will be staying in:-

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/11302/Police+in+Malta+probe+eight+more+sightings+of+Made leine


It is thought the cost of the villa will be met by the Find Madeleine Fund, which has so far raised £800,000 from public donations.

Mind you he is finally toying with the idea of selling the family home:-

He has even suggested selling the family’s £600,000 home in Rothley.

Yeah well, I'll believe that when I see it up for sale.... probably another PR stunt due to the discust shown by many that they haven't dipped into their own pockets yet........

I despair I really do.:banghead:

:blowkiss:

P.S. colomom - daddy McC is from Scotland not Ireland:)

[Shazza]

Thanks for the link MoonGoddess, as soon as it opened and I saw Madelaines pretty little face I started crying, I couldnt look at her, I wish someone would find her, cant say much just now will check in later.

[englishleigh]

Hi Shazza,

It was reported in the press yesterday that it is thought the fund is financing the new villa they will be staying in:-

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/11302/Police+in+Malta+probe+eight+more+sightings+of+Made leine


It is thought the cost of the villa will be met by the Find Madeleine Fund, which has so far raised £800,000 from public donations.

Mind you he is finally toying with the idea of selling the family home:-

He has even suggested selling the family’s £600,000 home in Rothley.

Yeah well, I'll believe that when I see it up for sale.... probably another PR stunt due to the discust shown by many that they haven't dipped into their own pockets yet........

I despair I really do.:banghead:

:blowkiss:

P.S. colomom - daddy McC is from Scotland not Ireland:)


Why don't these jackarses go to Malta??? There's been 20 possible sightings there of Madeleine and they are going to IRELAND and hanging out in a villa in Portugal???? Do they want to find their child or NOT?? :doh:

[petra]

Thanks for the link MoonGoddess, as soon as it opened and I saw Madelaines pretty little face I started crying, I couldnt look at her, I wish someone would find her, cant say much just now will check in later.

Hugs to you Shazza,I feel the same way. Watched her video-home website today about a dozen times. I am just sick about the whole thing-and my stomach has been in knots all day. :(

I needed to put myself in a self-imposed time out.

Great job, everyone. Some interesting and thoughtful ideas and theories offered up. Too much for me to absorb right now. Although I read it all.:blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Why don't these jackarses go to Malta??? There's been 20 possible sightings there of Madeleine and they are going to IRELAND and hanging out in a villa in Portugal???? Do they want to find their child or NOT?? :doh:
Good questions!!! Kinda makes ya go Hmmm...http://www.asylumcam.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif

[petra]

http://www.findmadeleine.com/

Althought the webpage says it has not been updated in 2 days, Gerry just added to his blog a few hours ago.

NB--GM now mentions Kate and offers advice to contact police or crimestoppers if you feel you have any info about Madeleine.

:cool:

[petra]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1272511,00.html?f=rss

NB: 29 possible sightings in Malta!!!!!!

[petra]

Great posts colomom and MG--

two additional thoughts

1. the phantom nanny

2. lack of updated info on 2.6 million GBP reward fund

(As my son said about the nanny--And just what would Ms Frannie Fine do???? He bets she would make herself heard ! :crazy: )

[MoonGoddess]

http://www.findmadeleine.com/

Althought the webpage says it has not been updated in 2 days, Gerry just added to his blog a few hours ago.

NB--GM now mentions Kate and offers advice to contact police or crimestoppers if you feel you have any info about Madeleine.

:cool:

Big hugs Shazza:blowkiss:

Unfrickingbelievable these people are:banghead: Spent the last 55 days banging on about how they'll leave no stone unturned and they stay sunning themselves in Portugal, what the **** does he mean "It does not help us to receive such information directly" I'd be scouring every last line if I thought "such information" may help find my missing child.....this whole thing is a complete and utter mess.....thats why I've had to put myself in self imposed time out too Petra, I wouldn't ever want to bump into either one of these jackasses on the streets of Britain :mad:

Sincere apologies for the rant.

[petra]

:hand: :hand: :hand: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7713/We'll+travel+anywhere+to+find+Maddy (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7713/We'll+travel+anywhere+to+find+Maddy)

an older article-We'll Travel Anywhere to Find Madeleine-

[MoonGoddess]

Great posts colomom and MG--

two additional thoughts

1. the phantom nanny

2. lack of updated info on 2.6 million GBP reward fund

(As my son said about the nanny--And just what would Ms Frannie Fine do???? He bets she would make herself heard ! :crazy: )

1. Unheard of how this nanny has stayed so elusive, my, I bet she'd have a story to tell.

2. I do think the 'Rewards' are seperate from the Fund:-

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070622/tuk-uk-britain-madeleine-chronology-fa6b408_1.html

May 13 - Virgin boss Richard Branson, author J.K. Rowling and footballer Wayne Rooney are among those to have contributed to rewards now totalling 2.5 million pounds.

I feel another self imposed time out coming on:banghead:

[petra]

[quote=MoonGoddess;1554085]Big hugs Shazza:blowkiss:

Unfrickingbelievable these people are:banghead: Spent the last 55 days banging on about how they'll leave no stone unturned and they stay sunning themselves in Portugal, what the **** does he mean "It does not help us to receive such information directly" I'd be scouring every last line if I thought "such information" may help find my missing child.....this whole thing is a complete and utter mess.....thats why I've had to put myself in self imposed time out too Petra, I wouldn't ever want to bump into either one of these jackasses on the streets of Britain :mad:
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Hey Sweet Moon Goddess---I have been thinking about you.

Anytime you want to rant, we are here.

Take care of yourself-- I think we are all in so deep emotionally and it will be for the long haul.

Second round of accupuncture for me tomorrow. :)

[petra]

:snooty: 1. Unheard of how this nanny has stayed so elusive, my, I bet she'd have a story to tell.

2. I do think the 'Rewards' are seperate from the Fund:-

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070622/tuk-uk-britain-madeleine-chronology-fa6b408_1.html

May 13 - Virgin boss Richard Branson, author J.K. Rowling and footballer Wayne Rooney are among those to have contributed to rewards now totalling 2.5 million pounds.

I feel another self imposed time out coming on:banghead:


I agree they are seperate funds--but why is it not *advertised more*.. Not on website, not in papers or on the limited posters we see or hear no more about. I assume the reward is still in place..:cool: someone might cough up info for the money.


Me too on the timeout. :blushing: Going to sit in the garden--were we usually hold small dinner parties--not far from the main house--the children should be asleep now.(Our baby is home from uni this week !!). Sarcasm!!:snooty:

IMO--Need to breath some fresh Norwegian air under the midnight sun. Will pick a little bouquet of flowers for Madeleine and make a ring of posies for her while sending her all my positive thoughts and energy.

Good night all.

Hoping tomorrow brings a miracle. .

[petra]

Good post Meowy! If you go back to thread 1 and read very early in it I was one of the first that brought up the "They've taken her" statement. That NEVER made sense to me and still doesn't. "They" does come across like someone you know or are familiar with. I would like to believe that this statement reported in the news is wrong and that this is not what Mrs. M said when she found her daughter gone.
WHY oh WHY did she not shout..."She's Gone!" ???

Jdee....just wanted to thank you for all the links and great posts you have put up today (and every day).

You are really connecting the dots.....;)

Now...to my time out!!!!!:silenced: :silenced:

[colomom]

P.S. colomom - daddy McC is from Scotland not Ireland:)

Isn't that the same thing?? (kidding, just kidding) :bang:

[colomom]

Thanks for the link MoonGoddess, as soon as it opened and I saw Madelaines pretty little face I started crying, I couldnt look at her, I wish someone would find her, cant say much just now will check in later.

Ahhhhh Shazza.....http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/bighug.gifI hope you have your image tags on cuz I am sending you a huge cyberhug. I know how you feel and I love your lil' ole heart.

I'll say a prayer for the big guy to comfort you and give you peace.

:blowkiss: Your friend always....

[colomom]

:hand: :hand: :hand: http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7713/We'll+travel+anywhere+to+find+Maddy (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/7713/We'll+travel+anywhere+to+find+Maddy)

an older article-We'll Travel Anywhere to Find Madeleine-

Let's start a list....

Remember this article: http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2005320001-2007230315,00.html ....need I say more? :furious:

[colomom]

Great posts colomom and MG--

two additional thoughts

1. the phantom nanny

2. lack of updated info on 2.6 million GBP reward fund

(As my son said about the nanny--And just what would Ms Frannie Fine do???? He bets she would make herself heard ! :crazy: )

Yes, the "nanny". I remember reading on the Digital Spy forum that they thought that the references to "nanny" were a nickname for KM's mom who would come and stay and help KM deal with all that stress :rolleyes:
Whatever....they have effectively ignored that question as well. If she did exist I guess she is probably on an extended vacation....in Tahiti.

I also think that they should have more visibility on the "reward" because greed is a powerful motivator. I guess it just sits (somewhere) drawing interest that somebody (Auntie Phil?) is skimming off the top.

I am feeling rather cynical tonight :crazy:

~big hug Petra~ :blowkiss: I always tell my kids, "timeouts are a good thing" The picture of you picking flowers and arranging posies for our sweet Maddie-girl touched my heart.

[colomom]

Big hugs Shazza:blowkiss:

Unfrickingbelievable these people are:banghead: Spent the last 55 days banging on about how they'll leave no stone unturned and they stay sunning themselves in Portugal, what the **** does he mean "It does not help us to receive such information directly" I'd be scouring every last line if I thought "such information" may help find my missing child.....this whole thing is a complete and utter mess.....thats why I've had to put myself in self imposed time out too Petra, I wouldn't ever want to bump into either one of these jackasses on the streets of Britain :mad:

Sincere apologies for the rant.

Wow! You are feeling fiesty tonight. Good!! You know how I feel about your rants.....you go girl!!!
:blowkiss:

[ialy]

I remember reading that simon Cowell (of American Idol fame) also gave $99,000 to the reward fund for her -- I remember as I thought it was a strange amount...

[Jdee]

Jdee....just wanted to thank you for all the links and great posts you have put up today (and every day).

You are really connecting the dots.....;)

Now...to my time out!!!!!:silenced: :silenced:

Thank you Petra! :blowkiss: I sit at my desk at work everyday and scour the web for a gleam of information.. pretty hard when there is so little coming out of 'the camp'. I think they toss us a morsel now and then to amuse us.:rolleyes:

[Spazkat9696]

Big hugs Shahs:blowkiss:

Unfrickingbelievable these people are:banghead: Spent the last 55 days banging on about how they'll leave no stone unturned and they stay sunning themselves in Portugal, what the **** does he mean "It does not help us to receive such information directly" I'd be scouring every last line if I thought "such information" may help find my missing child.....this whole thing is a complete and utter mess.....thats why I've had to put myself in self imposed time out too Petra, I wouldn't ever want to bump into either one of these jackasses on the streets of Britain :mad:

Sincere apologies for the rant.


It means they like Ricky Holland's "parents" know exactly where Maddie is and they need to do their best to keep the attention off themselves.

[Shazza]

Thankyou MoonGoddess and Petra for the hugs, I just couldnt help myself, when I saw the photo of Madelaine it was just too much, had to go away for a while, now I have my head together again.
I think the posters here are more concerned about Madelaine than her parents are.

I think what the nanny might be able to tell us about the McCanns could be helpful, why havent we heard if the LE have talked to her. Why have we havent heard anything except the jolly ole time the parents are having.
This sickens me to the core.

[CaliKid]

MG, how are you doing? Feeling better I hope.

How does a non-UK person address a letter to someone in the government? I have the street address and some numbers which are probably a postal code, but I don't know where to put the "UK". Thanks.

[Spazkat9696]

MG, how are you doing? Feeling better I hope.

How does a non-UK person address a letter to someone in the government? I have the street address and some numbers which are probably a postal code, but I don't know where to put the "UK". Thanks.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter

[CaliKid]

From GM's blog entry dated today: Kate and I would like to emphasise that if anyone who thinks they have information relevant to Madeleine’s abduction, then please pass this on to your local police. It does not help us to receive such information directly- we will only pass it on to the police for it to be considered in context of the overall investigation. If people are unhappy to speak to the police directly information can be given to ithe nternational crimestoppers anonymously.
What difference does it make? People are passing information on to the authorities in Malta, but the McCanns can't be bothered to take it seriously.

[CaliKid]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter

Thanks Spazkat,

But doesn't "UK" go somewhere on the envelope?

[Shazza]

From GM's blog entry dated today:
What difference does it make? People are passing information on to the authorities in Malta, but the McCanns can't be bothered to take it seriously.
They know that their daughter isnt there, so why go. They also stated that they would go to the ends of the earth to find their daughter....thats another lie they have told. Cant the LE see these parents for what they are or are the posters here the only ones with brains.

[Spazkat9696]

WRITE TO USBBC World Service (http://www.bbcworldservice.com/)
Bush House
Strand
London
WC2B 4PH
UK

Here is an example address I found

[CaliKid]

Thanks, that's just what I was looking for. I don't care how much it costs. I'm going to write letters. Lots of letters.

[Spazkat9696]

Don't a lot of the nannies have to sign confidenality agreements as a condition of employment? That may be why we haven't heard from a nanny yet. What's the point of having kids if you're going to pay someone else to raise them? Just give them the money to stay home with their own kids so they don't have to leave them to take care of the kids you don't have the time for!!!

[Shazza]

Don't a lot of the nannies have to sign confidenality agreements as a condition of employment? That may be why we haven't heard from a nanny yet. What's the point of having kids if you're going to pay someone else to raise them? Just give them the money to stay home with their own kids so they don't have to leave them to take care of the kids you don't have the time for!!!
They probably do have to sign a confideniality agreement, but in a police investigation they would be bound by law to answer. The agreement would only come into play so they cant write a book or talk to the press for a payment.

[philamena]

CaliKid,
Thanks for responding to my post.
Many of us put out long explanations on some of the earlier pages of this thread, but it's a lot of things. The McCanns have not acted right since Day 1.

I guess my biggest problem is, why would KM run back to the restaurant after Madeleine was apparently kidnapped and leave the twins alone in the room? Who is to say the kidnapper(s) didn't hear her coming and hide with her daughter, only to grab the other two once she left to alert her husband? As a mother, wouldn't you take Sean and Amelie with you to keep them safe?

Why are the McCanns carrying on as if they don't have a care in the world? It's become so much about giving them money, but they aren't spending that money on search parties or private investigators or fliers for people in Malta where their daughter has supposedly been seen by 20 people.

Why do they need a corporation to handle PR for the family, including a government liaison to work with the media? This is the same media who is falling all over themselves portraying the family as victims. And forgotten in the shuffle is a lost little girl who will probably never come home.


You made excellent points.
One thing that bothered me was the supposed fact that Maddy was in bed and laying between the twins. So why'd a kidnapper grab her and not one of the twins?

[Shazza]

Ahhhhh Shazza.....http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/bighug.gifI hope you have your image tags on cuz I am sending you a huge cyberhug. I know how you feel and I love your lil' ole heart.

I'll say a prayer for the big guy to comfort you and give you peace.

:blowkiss: Your friend always....
You are such a sweetie, thankyou colomom, wish we could give Madelaine a huge hug. Keep up the good postings I love reading them.:D

[Spazkat9696]

At this point I think I would like them better if they went home and back to work and made as normal a life for the twins as possible. They should allow the fund to be ran by a private company which would keep looking for Maddie but the twins need a normal home life they need to get used to their sister being gone. As sad as it may be I have very little hope for Maddie's safe return and the twins really need to be home where they feel safe secure and have all the memories of time spent with their sister. I think they need to end the vacation and go back to their lives. I am not saying give up on the search but all the parents are doing is pi**ing off a lot of people. Instead of spending all to little time looking for Maddie they could spend their time helping people get well. I'm sure their patients would love for them to get back to work.

[BethInAK]

Don't a lot of the nannies have to sign confidenality agreements as a condition of employment? That may be why we haven't heard from a nanny yet. What's the point of having kids if you're going to pay someone else to raise them? Just give them the money to stay home with their own kids so they don't have to leave them to take care of the kids you don't have the time for!!!

We had a nanny and it never occured to me that I would need her to sign a confidentiality agreement. What could she learn that people would find scandalous? nothing.

[Shazza]

We had a nanny and it never occured to me that I would need her to sign a confidentiality agreement. What could she learn that people would find scandalous? nothing.
The McCanns nanny would be able to shed some light on some of the personal aspects of their lives, which you might not think is important or anyone elses business, but you can pick up on things from their personality, how they related to their children and each other, if she heard or seen anything unusual in relation to their everyday lives. Phone calls in and out of their home, there is a great many things that could help the police to clear them of any involvement in Madelaines disappearance.
But sadly I think they have something to do with their daughters disappearance, everything has to be checked even the parents.

[CaliKid]

I can't say for sure because I don't know this, but I would bet that the McCann's nanny would describe KM as a very "hands-off" mother, content to let others raise her children. Why do I think this? Look at the McCanns' behavior during their vacation. The children were in child-care all day, every day and left alone at night so she and GM could go out and play. If that's not "hands-off", I don't know what is.

[Shazza]

I can't say for sure because I don't know this, but I would bet that the McCann's nanny would describe KM as a very "hands-off" mother, content to let others raise her children. Why do I think this? Look at the McCanns' behavior during their vacation. The children were in child-care all day, every day and left alone at night so she and GM could go out and play. If that's not "hands-off", I don't know what is.
Right on CaliKid, that is why the parents should be checked out thoroughly by the LE. They are involved in this somehow.

[MoonGoddess]

Thanks, that's just what I was looking for. I don't care how much it costs. I'm going to write letters. Lots of letters.

You go Girl!! UK at the bottom:blowkiss:

You are such a sweetie, thankyou colomom, wish we could give Madelaine a huge hug. Keep up the good postings I love reading them.:D

There's people the world over sending Madeleine a 'spiritual hug!:woohoo:

[quote=Shazza;1554678]The McCanns nanny would be able to shed some light on some of the personal aspects of their lives,..... quote]

Probably why she's keeping :silenced:

Sorry this is brief:-

Interesting read:-....cant quite work out with my weary head if its a UK Blogger but think so, I hope so, needs someone over here to start talking out, interesting comments but a long read.

http://community.verizon.net/thread.jspa?threadID=1700001824

Also very latest from:-

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.bl...-murat-at.html (http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/06/daily-24-horas-witness-saw-murat-at.html)

Thursday, 28 June 2007
Daily "24 Horas": “Witness saw Murat at Madeleine's room in the night of the kidnapping”

According to Portuguese daily “24 Horas”, a witness informed Police he saw Murat inside Madeleine's room, at the night of May 3, when she disappeared. The newspaper has just an international online edition, which isn't updated yet (June 28, 01:27 am). The information was released by SIC Notícias, in a preview of Portuguese Press front page news for today, May 28, around 01:03am.

Funny how the spotlight gets turned back on Murat when things start getting a bit awkward for the McC's? :rolleyes: Wonder if the 'witness' happened to be a close associate of the Mc'C's?

So much to keep up with.....making me dizzy...

Loving all your work......:blowkiss:

Petra - I found the Acupuncture helped but she said I need a lot of 'balancing'......I'm not in good shape..........lol I wonder why ? :blowkiss:

[colomom]

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.bl...-murat-at.html (http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/06/daily-24-horas-witness-saw-murat-at.html)

[I]Thursday, 28 June 2007
Daily "24 Horas": “Witness saw Murat at Madeleine's room in the night of the kidnapping”

Morning MoonGoodness!! Morning Gang!

You know what really "bugs" me about this latest development?? And I believe it was also brought up on the DS board....

How freaking long does it take for a witness to report something so obviously vital??

Nope, not buying it:snooty:.....NEXT??

[englishleigh]

At this point I think I would like them better if they went home and back to work and made as normal a life for the twins as possible. They should allow the fund to be ran by a private company which would keep looking for Maddie but the twins need a normal home life they need to get used to their sister being gone. As sad as it may be I have very little hope for Maddie's safe return and the twins really need to be home where they feel safe secure and have all the memories of time spent with their sister. I think they need to end the vacation and go back to their lives. I am not saying give up on the search but all the parents are doing is pi**ing off a lot of people. Instead of spending all to little time looking for Maddie they could spend their time helping people get well. I'm sure their patients would love for them to get back to work.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

[Jdee]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1272677,00.html

"McCanns 'Refuse To See Theorist'"........"
After talking to police, he was told Gerry and Kate McCann were not interested in seeing him.
He went to meet the girl's parents regardless but was turned away at their rented apartment, reports said."

GEEZ ~ I am not even going to comment here.

[colomom]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1272677,00.html

"McCanns 'Refuse To See Theorist'"........"
After talking to police, he was told Gerry and Kate McCann were not interested in seeing him.
He went to meet the girl's parents regardless but was turned away at their rented apartment, reports said."

GEEZ ~ I am not even going to comment here.

I think they don't want to see him cuz they think he is a freak (and he may very well be) and they know what really happened to Madeleine, and it has nothing to do with the pedophile network. I mean if the LE was willing to meet with him, why would they refuse?

:snooty:

[Jdee]

There was a girl and her name escapes me but she vanished back in the 70's and her mother went to the ends of the earth to try and find her... she had to frequent sleezy motorcycle bars and meet unsavory people... HEY! that IS part of it!
That girl was never found and her mother died a few years ago having never found her but she NEVER gave up lookin and to my knowledge she never sold one single concert ticket......

[MoonGoddess]

I think they don't want to see him cuz they think he is a freak (and he may very well be) and they know what really happened to Madeleine, and it has nothing to do with the pedophile network. I mean if the LE was willing to meet with him, why would they refuse?

:snooty:

Paulo doesn't seem to have faith in Toscano:-

http://gazetadigitalmadeleineandthem...is-hoaxer.html (http://gazetadigitalmadeleineandthemedia.blogspot.com/2007/06/why-mr-antnio-toscano-is-hoaxer.html)

Well, here are ELEVEN GOOD REASONS, THE STRONGEST PRESENTED BY CLARENCE MITCHELL, SPOKESMAN OF MCCANN FAMILY, WHO TALKED WITH MR. ANTÓNIO TOSCANO:

[calus_3]

Spanish police detained an Italian in the case....breaking on Foxnews.com right now.

Interesting.

New

[Jeana (DP)]

There was a girl and her name escapes me but she vanished back in the 70's and her mother went to the ends of the earth to try and find her... she had to frequent sleezy motorcycle bars and meet unsavory people... HEY! that IS part of it!
That girl was never found and her mother died a few years ago having never found her but she NEVER gave up lookin and to my knowledge she never sold one single concert ticket......

The girl's name was Amy, I believe. I remember her mother. Very dedicated to finding her.

[Pinkhammer]

Just heard on FOX that they have arrested an Italian man in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine. No details yet.

[cinsbythesea]

Just heard on FOX that they have arrested an Italian man in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine. No details yet.

They say he was arrested in Spain - but so far no other details.

[Lurker]

It was on the ticker for cnn too. Says he was arrested on unrelated charges but is being questioned in the case.

[englishleigh]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287189,00.html

I will eat my shoes if this pans out into anything...

[petra]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/home

Hoping for a miracle

[petra]

Reports: Man Arrested For Madeleine Kidnapping

Updated: 18:28, Thursday June 28, 2007
<H2>The Portuguese police have told Sky News that an Italian man and a Portuguese woman have been arrested in Spain for the suspected kidnapping of Madeleine McCann.

The website of the Spanish El Pais newspaper says the man was picked up in the port city of Algeciras in the south of the country near Gibraltar in the early hours of this morning.

</H2>http://static.sky.com/images/pictures/1532032.jpg Four-year-old Madeleine

Madeleine disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in the seaside resort of Praia da Luz in Portugal on May 3.
Sky News producer, Gaynor Jesus, who is based in the town, said police had confirmed to her that there had been two arrests but that they would give no further details.

[englishleigh]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/home

Hoping for a miracle

Wow! I think I better develop a taste for leather? Oh, Lord, please let them have Madeleine, or know where she is, alive!!!!

[petra]

Wow! I think I better develop a taste for leather? Oh, Lord, please let them have Madeleine, or know where she is, alive!!!!

I maybe having some crow myself :o ---didn't think the PJ could pull it off.

I so hope this lead brings Madeleine home safely!!!

imo

[CarpeDiem]

Oh, Lord, please let them have Madeleine, or know where she is, alive!!!!

Yes, this is big news, it's the first time someone(s) have actually been arrested. Even Murat was never arrested.

When will they let us know if Madeline is alive?

[CarpeDiem]

I maybe having some crow myself :o ---didn't think the PJ could pull it off.

I so hope this lead brings Madeleine home safely!!!

imo

A lot of us will eat crow, but if she's alive, I'll be first in line.

[petra]

I will be interested to see how this develops in regards to that Brian prediction dream.

The initials, the couple, etc.

[petra]

Yes, this is big news, it's the first time someone(s) have actually been arrested. Even Murat was never arrested.

When will they let us know if Madeline is alive?

Let us hope soon !!!!!

Yes, an actual arrest---this is something big.

[englishleigh]

A lot of us will eat crow, but if she's alive, I'll be first in line.

Me, too, Carpe.

[CarpeDiem]

I maybe having some crow myself :o ---didn't think the PJ could pull it off.

I so hope this lead brings Madeleine home safely!!!

imo

It seems the Portugal Police have nothing to do with the arrest. Idiots.

http://www.northantset.co.uk/latest-national-news?articleid=2992382

[Reannan]

I am not getting my hopes up on this new arrest because it looks like they are probably going to be arrested for extortion attempts. I think it was inevitable that someone would try to claim money from the McCann's at some point in time. I hope again all hopes that this is truly connected, and they find Madeleine, but I am not jumping for joy yet. I read this site and many others, and I honestly can't say how I feel about the McCann's yet. I don't like the fact that they left her alone, but their actions don't add up to anything other than a bizarre reaction to a truly missing child in my opinion. I think they would somehow try and fade into the woodwork if THEY had been responsible for her disappearance.

[CarpeDiem]

colomom is gonna freak out when she get's back here.

[petra]

It seems the Portugal Police have nothing to do with the arrest. Idiots.

http://www.northantset.co.uk/latest-national-news?articleid=2992382

He heard it from the Spanish news???? :rolleyes:

bbbbaaaawwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!

Let's hope this is something real.
==================================
small article hidden in BBC news online

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6251266.stm

[petra]

LIVE VIDEO FEED_SKY NEWS

http://news.sky.com/skynews/livenewsevents

[petra]

I am not getting my hopes up on this new arrest because it looks like they are probably going to be arrested for extortion attempts. I think it was inevitable that someone would try to claim money from the McCann's at some point in time. I hope again all hopes that this is truly connected, and they find Madeleine, but I am not jumping for joy yet. I read this site and many others, and I honestly can't say how I feel about the McCann's yet. I don't like the fact that they left her alone, but their actions don't add up to anything other than a bizarre reaction to a truly missing child in my opinion. I think they would somehow try and fade into the woodwork if THEY had been responsible for her disappearance.


Story is now evolving from arrest for kidnapping to perhaps arrest for extortion---happened early this morning- about 12 hours ago.

Reannan--you might be right..

[Pinkhammer]

I hopethis is it, and that Maddie will be found safe and sound. If it was a kidnapping for ransom, she may still be alive and well. Or if the couple just wanted a little girl to raise.

However, I think it's probably just another sideshow.

[colomom]

I copied this direct from the El Pais website and translated it on Babel Fish. I also found a photograph but I am not sure.

Still checking.....will be right back

Babel Fish Translation Help

In English:
The National Body of Police has stopped in an urbanization from Cadiz an Italian which it suspects that it could be related to an attempt of extorsion the family of the British girl Madeleine MacCann, of four years, of which there are the no news from the 3 of May, according to police sources. In addition another woman has been stopped, although at the moment more data are not known. The minor was in an apartment of Praia gives Light, in the south of Portugal. The sources informants have refused to facilitate more details of the operation alleging that the investigations are still in a incipiente phase. So far there is no the smaller sign of chiquilla. Madeleine, the first global search the news in others webs webs in Spanish in other languages the suspect has been arrested in Sotogrande (Cadiz) as a result of an order of looks for and captures international dictated by the French authorities, although "it investigates if it has relation with the disappearance of Madeleine", according to a spokesman of the Main directorate of the Police and the Civil Guard.

[Pinkhammer]

SkyNews Now: It's an extortion attempt. The couple appears to have no real news about Maddie's whereabouts. Portugues police joined Spanish police in a raid on a house near Cadiz where the couple admitted to the scam.

[englishleigh]

SkyNews Now: It's an extortion attempt. The couple appears to have no real news about Maddie's whereabouts. Portugues police joined Spanish police in a raid on a house near Cadiz where the couple admitted to the scam.

:furious: I thought it would come to nothing. Poor little Maddie. My shoes are safe but I would have poured ketchup on them and taken a bite if it meant I was wrong and Maddie was going to be found.

[petra]

SkyNews Now: It's an extortion attempt. The couple appears to have no real news about Maddie's whereabouts. Portugues police joined Spanish police in a raid on a house near Cadiz where the couple admitted to the scam.

Dang :mad: :mad: what a bunch of jerks:furious: :furious:

Where is Madeleine????

[colomom]

CarpeDiem and everyone:

No crows or shoes for dinner I am afraid. This is really funny, I was on the phone with MoonGoddess when this story broke over in the UK. We were listening to the TV and I was frantically searching the internet for more details and went straight to the El Pais website (the newspaper that broke the story) and found that last bit I posted. While more details are still coming, I am wondering about the searching that they are doing, I really feel like this is an extortion attempt and these people don't know anything about where Maddie is (unfortunately). It blew my mind (and MoonGoddess' as well) the reference to Spain right after the interviews with Toscano. We were quite excited, to say the least.

I am with you guys though, I will be the first to fall on my face and beg forgiveness if it turns out that the McCanns were not directly involved with her dissapearance. BUT....and this is a big BUT....

The reason we are looking at the McCanns with suspicion is due to their initial negligence and lack of communication. It is easier for me to think that my theory is sound than for me to think that that little baby girl is being held by the unspeakable evil of a network of pedophiles. I know you know what I mean. Until I am proven wrong I stand by my theory. My gut instinct is rarely wrong, in fact, I can't think of a time when it steered me wrong. But I am heavily invested in this case and there is a first time for everything.

MoonGoddess wanted me to tell you that she felt so bad because she did not even realize that Gordon Brown was now the new Prime Minister. It took me telling her the news :rolleyes:

I am still checking on this picture, language barrier, but I will post more soon.

Hugzzzzz

[MoonGoddess]

CarpeDiem and everyone:

No crows or shoes for dinner I am afraid. This is really funny, I was on the phone with MoonGoddess when this story broke over in the UK. We were listening to the TV and I was frantically searching the internet for more details and went straight to the El Pais website (the newspaper that broke the story) and found that last bit I posted. While more details are still coming, I am wondering about the searching that they are doing, I really feel like this is an extortion attempt and these people don't know anything about where Maddie is (unfortunately). It blew my mind (and MoonGoddess' as well) the reference to Spain right after the interviews with Toscano. We were quite excited, to say the least.

I am with you guys though, I will be the first to fall on my face and beg forgiveness if it turns out that the McCanns were not directly involved with her dissapearance. BUT....and this is a big BUT....

The reason we are looking at the McCanns with suspicion is due to their initial negligence and lack of communication. It is easier for me to think that my theory is sound than for me to think that that little baby girl is being held by the unspeakable evil of a network of pedophiles. I know you know what I mean. Until I am proven wrong I stand by my theory. My gut instinct is rarely wrong, in fact, I can't think of a time when it steered me wrong. But I am heavily invested in this case and there is a first time for everything.

MoonGoddess wanted me to tell you that she felt so bad because she did not even realize that Gordon Brown was now the new Prime Minister. It took me telling her the news :rolleyes:

I am still checking on this picture, language barrier, but I will post more soon.

Hugzzzzz

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.bl...nected-to.html (http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/06/arrests-in-spain-not-connected-to.html)

Thursday, 28 June 2007
Arrests in Spain not connected to Madeleine abduction, says PJ spokesman

The Portuguese TV news channel SIC said, a few minutes ago, that the arrest of a Italian citizen, in Sotogrande, Cádiz (Spain) is not related to Madeleine McCann abduction, quoting PJ spokesman, Olegário de Sousa. The Italian was arrested by Spanish Police Special Squad for Kidnappings, today, according to online edition of “El País”. Spanish Police said they acted following a a request from French authorities. The Italian is accused of taking part in a plot to kill a judge, in France but, according to “El País”, he may be also connected to an extortion attempt to McCann family. A woman was also identified, but not arrested.


Posted by Paulo Reis at 19:22


....still reeling from my shame at not keeping up with current events in this country:blushing:

[Jdee]

The girl's name was Amy, I believe. I remember her mother. Very dedicated to finding her.

Yes Jeana that was it. Amy Billings I think was it...

[opme]

MADRID, Spain — Spanish police said Thursday they had arrested an Italian man with possible links to Madeleine McCann (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('Madeleine McCann');), the 4-year-old British girl who vanished nearly two months ago during a vacation in Portugal. Spanish media reported that a woman was also detained in the case.
Police said the man was detained on an international arrest warrant issued by French authorities. The arrest took place in the southern province of Cadiz, a police spokeswoman said, adding that police were investigating whether he could have been involved in the case.
The spokeswoman, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with police rules, did not identify the man or give details about how he was located.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287189,00.html

An Italian man has been arrested in Spain over the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, according to newspaper reports.

Spain's El Pais says the man was arrested in Algeciras, southern Spain - a few hours drive from the Portuguese resort where Madeleine disappeared. A spokesperson for the Spanish National Police says that, at this stage, they cannot confirm the information.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6251266.stm

[Jdee]

OMG! I go to lunch and come back and new NEWS! for ONCE!

[MoonGoddess]

MADRID, Spain — Spanish police said Thursday they had arrested an Italian man with possible links to Madeleine McCann (http://javascript<b></b>:siteSearch('Madeleine McCann');), the 4-year-old British girl who vanished nearly two months ago during a vacation in Portugal. Spanish media reported that a woman was also detained in the case.
Police said the man was detained on an international arrest warrant issued by French authorities. The arrest took place in the southern province of Cadiz, a police spokeswoman said, adding that police were investigating whether he could have been involved in the case.
The spokeswoman, who spoke on condition of anonymity in line with police rules, did not identify the man or give details about how he was located.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287189,00.html

An Italian man has been arrested in Spain over the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann, according to newspaper reports.

Spain's El Pais says the man was arrested in Algeciras, southern Spain - a few hours drive from the Portuguese resort where Madeleine disappeared. A spokesperson for the Spanish National Police says that, at this stage, they cannot confirm the information.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6251266.stm

http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.bl...nected-to.html (http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/06/arrests-in-spain-not-connected-to.html)

Thursday, 28 June 2007
Arrests in Spain not connected to Madeleine abduction, says PJ spokesman

The Portuguese TV news channel SIC said, a few minutes ago, that the arrest of a Italian citizen, in Sotogrande, Cádiz (Spain) is not related to Madeleine McCann abduction, quoting PJ spokesman, Olegário de Sousa. The Italian was arrested by Spanish Police Special Squad for Kidnappings, today, according to online edition of “El País”. Spanish Police said they acted following a a request from French authorities. The Italian is accused of taking part in a plot to kill a judge, in France but, according to “El País”, he may be also connected to an extortion attempt to McCann family. A woman was also identified, but not arrested.


Posted by Paulo Reis at 19:22

[Jdee]

Sky News though seems to be taking this seriously. I am having trouble with the live feed. It keeps going in and out....

[petra]

Sky News though seems to be taking this seriously. I am having trouble with the live feed. It keeps going in and out....

:D next time you have to eat lunch at your computer!!!!

I have the news on-CNN world on now reporting from Madrid. Saying NO firm link but couple made a call to McCanns for reward money--charge is for torture of a child.:eek: :eek:

[MrsG728]

:furious: I thought it would come to nothing. Poor little Maddie. My shoes are safe but I would have poured ketchup on them and taken a bite if it meant I was wrong and Maddie was going to be found.

Oh, Leigh, this post cracked me up. It sounds like the expression I use all the time: "I'd rather eat rocks" than something horrible happen.

MG

[petra]

Seems man may have abused his own child in France--still investigating

[petra]

Port woman is his girlfriend and not charged with child torture but extortion....end of news report

And now----the NEW PM GORDIE BROWN and his dream team is on (that was for Moongoodess,in case she forgot (smile)

[petra]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1272677,00.html

.....and now Sousa is taking credit for his involvement in arrest :rolleyes:

[Jdee]

:D next time you have to eat lunch at your computer!!!!

I have the news on-CNN world on now reporting from Madrid. Saying NO firm link but couple made a call to McCanns for reward money--charge is for torture of a child.:eek: :eek:

the ONE day I go and eat lunch with the bosses!:doh:

I read that about the child torture. I am feeling ill....:sick: I am like Moon and feel I am putting too much energy in this and need to back away before I lose my sanity!

[Jdee]

:D next time you have to eat lunch at your computer!!!!

I have the news on-CNN world on now reporting from Madrid. Saying NO firm link but couple made a call to McCanns for reward money--charge is for torture of a child.:eek: :eek:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1272677,00.html

.....and now Sousa is taking credit for his involvement in arrest :rolleyes:

Thank you Petra for all your post and keeping us informed!:blowkiss:

[MoonGoddess]

Port woman is his girlfriend and not charged with child torture but extortion....end of news report

And now----the NEW PM GORDIE BROWN and his dream team is on (that was for Moongoodess,in case she forgot (smile)

Well I think I'm safe in saying we can all put something more palatable than 'leather shoes' on the menu tonight, we have a saying.... 'eating humble pie' and I was almost gagging at the thought that I would have to eat more than most!!

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1272677,00.html

Olegario de Sousa from the Portuguese police told Sky News his officers had joined the Spanish officers on the raid to arrest the man because of the extortion allegation, but had nothing to link the people being held to Madeleine's kidnap.

my defence at not knowing who our current PM was - I'm avoiding all news coverage at the moment due to the reporting of the Spice Girl re-union, the site of Posh's fake cleavage and fake 'pout' has the same effect on me as the smiling Kate McCann........:banghead:

[dingo]

Thanks for all the updates guys.......we are getting none of this news here yet.

[Silver~Bell]

It's so depressing to see such evil persons trying to profit from a tragic event -- in one account it said they were arrested at their "luxury" home...I am sure the money to afford any "luxuries" was ill-gotten...:razz:

[Reannan]

Here is some information posted by "Asirena", from one of the other sites I visit:

"Italian man on the run from French police arrested in hunt for Madeleine
28.06.07

An Italian man and a Portuguese woman have been arrested in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, according to the Spanish equivalent of CID.

The man, named by Italian police as Danilo Chemello, 61, was arrested in a town near the southern Spanish port of Algeciras at 5am this morning.

Chemello had been sentenced to three years incarceration in France but had gone on the run. Today he was arrested in connection to that outstanding warrant.

It was when police searched his home at his arrest that they found material that warranted him being investigated in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, police said.

Chemello is being held over conspiracy to commit a crime. Police from a special unit targeting violent crime reportedly spent several hours at a property in the area he was arrested.

http://tinyurl.com/2odzpo (http://tinyurl.com/2odzpo)

Interesting article "

[Reannan]

Interesting that a Portugese woman is involved.....hmmmm....

[dingo]

This news has just made the headlines here now.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=275878.

[BethInAK]

I doubt that this man had anything to do with the girls disappearance, but I'll certainly hope that there is the possibility she can be found and lives.

[BethInAK]

And I'm way behind - but reading the article in part five about how the McCanns were in a cafe the day after Madeleine disappeared and never mentioned her disappearance - WTF were they doing in a cafe in the first place?

[BethInAK]

I had some more thoughts in my absence: if the McCann's want to create a cause in Madeleines name it should be with the mission of never letting this happen to another child - they should be speaking out about their mistakes in leaving this child and her siblings alone in a hotel room.

the utter selfishness and self-centeredness of these parents really makes me want to puke,

[BethInAK]

Calikid, your doping theory....that has some merit I think.

[Shazza]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=275878

Just got up and saw this.

[Shazza]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=275878

Just got up and saw this.

Sorry guys looks like this news has already been posted, as soon as I saw it I just posted without reading previous posts.
But it looks like it has nothing to do with Madelaine, my little heart was pumping so fast, but now in despair as Madelaine is still out there.

[CarpeDiem]

Sorry guys looks like this news has already been posted, as soon as I saw it I just posted without reading previous posts.
But it looks like it has nothing to do with Madelaine, my little heart was pumping so fast, but now in despair as Madelaine is still out there.

Today was kind of a rollercoaster. I just feel like we're the only one's on it. The parents aren't ever effected, weren't even today with HOPE that word of Madie's recovery might come at any moment. They have got to be on med's, that needs to be shut-off.

[CarpeDiem]

I had some more thoughts in my absence: if the McCann's want to create a cause in Madeleines name it should be with the mission of never letting this happen to another child - they should be speaking out about their mistakes in leaving this child and her siblings alone in a hotel room.

the utter selfishness and self-centeredness of these parents really makes me want to puke,

You are exactly right. That is what they need to do.

Also, if Madeleine is still alive, they haven't even garnered any sympathy from the abductors, whom are probably watching. Not that they are capeable of feeling sympathy, but the parents are making them puke too. That's bad.

[Shazza]

Today was kind of a rollercoaster. I just feel like we're the only one's on it. The parents aren't ever effected, weren't even today with HOPE that word of Madie's recovery might come at any moment. They have got to be on med's, that needs to be shut-off.
It sure was a rollercoaster, I was up when I first saw there was some news on Madelaine then went down when I read it and found that it really had nothing to do with Madelaine, Im on bloody meds for anxiety, will take them shortly.
The parents definitely need meds, it called a lethal injection.

[colomom]

Would somebody do me a favor and see if you can post or even read comments on Aussie Mike's blog?

It will help me figure out if the problem is on my end or his.

Thanks.

Here's the link: http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/

[Shazza]

Would somebody do me a favor and see if you can post or even read comments on Aussie Mike's blog?

It will help me figure out if the problem is on my end or his.

Thanks.

Here's the link: http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/
I accessed you link, no problems.

[dingo]

Link works for me too.

[Silver~Bell]

I had some more thoughts in my absence: if the McCann's want to create a cause in Madeleines name it should be with the mission of never letting this happen to another child - they should be speaking out about their mistakes in leaving this child and her siblings alone in a hotel room.

the utter selfishness and self-centeredness of these parents really makes me want to puke,

I so agree.

It was also shocking to hear that they said that "at worst" as parents, they were "naive." :banghead:

[colomom]

Thnks for checking Dingo and Shazza....back to square one. :waitasec:

[docwho3]

". . . they have arrested an Italian man and a Portuguese woman suspected of trying to extort money from the parents of 4-year-old British girl who vanished nearly two months ago during a vacation in Portugal.. . ."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070628/ap_on_re_eu/spain_missing_girl

[Shazza]

". . . they have arrested an Italian man and a Portuguese woman suspected of trying to extort money from the parents of 4-year-old British girl who vanished nearly two months ago during a vacation in Portugal.. . ."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070628/ap_on_re_eu/spain_missing_girl
These guys apparantly have nothing to do with the disappearance, so we are back to square one.

[CarpeDiem]

Here's some more info on the two, a man and woman:

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n115981

[Salem]

The woman from Portugal may be involved in "illegal adoptions in Europe"? And Portugal LE says there is absolutely no connection? I don't think I would give up that easily...... If she is already doing things that might fit a scenario of what happened to Maddie, I don't think I would have decided already that there is "no connection."

What is PLE up to? First they won't search, then they get beat up by the press, so they make an appearance of a search, then they get a lead that might at a minimum bring them into contact with an "illegal adoption" ring, and they decide there is absolutely no connection.

I'm not sure who is telling the truth about the non-interview of the Antonio guy who says it was the frenchman that abducted Maddie, but PLE did not interview the Norweign woman. Don't think they have to this day.....

Either PLE knows something or they are protecting someone/group......

And, has anyone heard anything about that towel?

Salem

[Shazza]

The woman from Portugal may be involved in "illegal adoptions in Europe"? And Portugal LE says there is absolutely no connection? I don't think I would give up that easily...... If she is already doing things that might fit a scenario of what happened to Maddie, I don't think I would have decided already that there is "no connection."

What is PLE up to? First they won't search, then they get beat up by the press, so they make an appearance of a search, then they get a lead that might at a minimum bring them into contact with an "illegal adoption" ring, and they decide there is absolutely no connection.

I'm not sure who is telling the truth about the non-interview of the Antonio guy who says it was the frenchman that abducted Maddie, but PLE did not interview the Norweign woman. Don't think they have to this day.....

Either PLE knows something or they are protecting someone/group......

And, has anyone heard anything about that towel?

Salem

I too think there is a cover up, but for whom Im not sure about that one, is it the LE, the McCanns, the pedo ring, the witnesses, somebody knows something but nobody is talking. There is a little girl out there somewhere and they are no closer to finding her than they were when she first went missing. I wish they would get their act together and work as a team to solve this.

[BethInAK]

I so agree.

It was also shocking to hear that they said that "at worst" as parents, they were "naive." :banghead:

Did they say that? They are physicians. they've never seen an unattended child who got into an accident? They were too naieve to consider that a four year old in an un childproofed room could stick their finger in a socket? Or get out of the room via the open door and get hit by a vehicle?

If they allowed a stranger to babysit their child and the child ended up missing, I might consider the naieve defense but in this case...

Tell me another one.

[Jdee]

Yesterday while listening to that live feed on Sky News the news guy was talking about the resort where the McCann's stayed and he said he had been there before and that the distance between the apartment and the restaurant was "just a few yards".. and that they could see the front door of their apartment from the restaurant. It was like it was no big deal...
SO... what is considered a "few"? To me a 100 yards is a long way. AND has anyone heard reported that they had a clear view to the front door of the apartment from that restaurant? I would think there would be trees and walls in between.
Can we say...Media Blackout?

[Shazza]

Yesterday while listening to that live feed on Sky News the news guy was talking about the resort where the McCann's stayed and he said he had been there before and that the distance between the apartment and the restaurant was "just a few yards".. and that they could see the front door of their apartment from the restaurant. It was like it was no big deal...
SO... what is considered a "few"? To me a 100 yards is a long way. AND has anyone heard reported that they had a clear view to the front door of the apartment from that restaurant? I would think there would be trees and walls in between.
Can we say...Media Blackout?
If you look back there were maps posted of the whole resort and the front door of the apartment was not visible from the restaurant and it was a fair way away, so this guy that stated this must be short sighted or blind.

[Jdee]

If you look back there were maps posted of the whole resort and the front door of the apartment was not visible from the restaurant and it was a fair way away, so this guy that stated this must be short sighted or blind.

Yeah that's what I thought too Shazza. He was so non chalant about it like it was no big deal. I am telling you that if this happened in the US these parents would be arrested for child neglect at the very least.

[Shazza]

Yeah that's what I thought too Shazza. He was so non chalant about it like it was no big deal. I am telling you that if this happened in the US these parents would be arrested for child neglect at the very least.
That would also happen here in Australia, they would have gone through through the court system by now and been charged. They are trying to play the grieving parents, but they are so transparent, I dont understand why they havent been charged with child endangerment or child abuse or whatever applies. They are trying to tug at the heart strings of the LE and the media to keep themselves out of the chit, but it doesnt stop them from looking like bad parents.

[colomom]

Yesterday while listening to that live feed on Sky News the news guy was talking about the resort where the McCann's stayed and he said he had been there before and that the distance between the apartment and the restaurant was "just a few yards".. and that they could see the front door of their apartment from the restaurant. It was like it was no big deal...
SO... what is considered a "few"? To me a 100 yards is a long way. AND has anyone heard reported that they had a clear view to the front door of the apartment from that restaurant? I would think there would be trees and walls in between.
Can we say...Media Blackout?

Morning Jdee:

I thought these photos from Paulo's blog were very telling: http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/05/some-pictures-from-praia-da-luz-crime.html

Especially the photo of the bedroom window. Maybe they could see the front door but no way could they see the window if someone was to break in that way. "A few yards"....http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/bsflag.gif!

Praying for Maddie.

And also praying for a quiet, uneventful day for our UK friends!!

[Shazza]

Morning Jdee:

I thought these photos from Paulo's blog were very telling: http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/05/some-pictures-from-praia-da-luz-crime.html

Especially the photo of the bedroom window. Maybe they could see the front door but no way could they see the window if someone was to break in that way. "A few yards"....http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/bsflag.gif!

Praying for Maddie.

And also praying for a quiet, uneventful day for our UK friends!!
Hi Colomom,
Cant wait to see what you come up with today, I enjoy reading your posts. You make so much sense, sometimes I have trouble typing what Im thinking, its this thread that is draining my brain Im sure.
Praying for Madelaine everyday.

[twinkiesmom]

If they were going to ditch their kids for a private dinner, the least they could have done is hold out for a second floor apartment!:doh:

[Shazza]

If they were going to ditch their kids for a private dinner, the least they could have done is hold out for a second floor apartment!:doh:
I dont think that would have made any difference twinkiesmom.

[curves]

I was thinking about this case while I was trying to get to sleep last night and I really don't think the McCanns killed Madelaine. The reason for this is that they were in a strange country and did not know the surrounding areas -how on earth would they have managed to hide the body (sorry) so well? Madelaine would have been found by now. I would like to see a complete timeline of the day she went missing though to ensure they also did not have the time to hide a body.

This is does not take away from the fact that they left their kids alone in a strange country, nor how terrible it was to do that.

[Shazza]

I was thinking about this case while I was trying to get to sleep last night and I really don't think the McCanns killed Madelaine. The reason for this is that they were in a strange country and did not know the surrounding areas -how on earth would they have managed to hide the body (sorry) so well? Madelaine would have been found by now. I would like to see a complete timeline of the day she went missing though to ensure they also did not have the time to hide a body.

This is does not take away from the fact that they left their kids alone in a strange country, nor how terrible it was to do that.
Im not sure but I think I heard the Mccanns had been to Portugal for holidays before, so this wasnt their first time. If that is so then they would know the area.

[Jdee]

Morning Jdee:

I thought these photos from Paulo's blog were very telling: http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/05/some-pictures-from-praia-da-luz-crime.html

Especially the photo of the bedroom window. Maybe they could see the front door but no way could they see the window if someone was to break in that way. "A few yards"....http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/bsflag.gif!

Praying for Maddie.

And also praying for a quiet, uneventful day for our UK friends!!

Morning Colomom! I think even if they could see the front door they weren't lookin. It has still not been proven that Madeleine did not simply walk out of that apartment. "Alleged" is the key word here that the press is leaving out. Assume nothing here and explore every possible scienero.

[MoonGoddess]

Hi you guys,

daddys wallet has re-appeared:-

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=17690022&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393

The wallet turned up at her parents' Rothley home after it was first posted to their former house in Queniborough, the address for which was inside.

Only comment I'd like to make is "PR Stunt". Latest from the blog:-

Day 56 - 28/06/2007
Busy day- some very good phone calls with important child welfare organsations who we will be working closely with in the future. I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleines disappearance in the long term.

There has been a lot of media publicity over arrests in Spain tonight following information related to the investigation to find Madeleine. This appears to be a clear signal from European police forces that they are treating all information relating to Madeleines disappearance very seriously.

Can you imagine any "important child welfare organisations" using these two to promote welfare to children:banghead: ....defies belief it really does.:behindbar and just as well the police are treating all information re Madeleine seriously, cause he doesn't want to be bothered with it according to yesterdays blogs.

colomom: got some very much neglected household chores done which justifies me popping over for a while:blowkiss: now the grass is cut am hoping the neighbours might start saying 'good morning' again....lol

[MoonGoddess]

Im not sure but I think I heard the Mccanns had been to Portugal for holidays before, so this wasnt their first time. If that is so then they would know the area.

The mother is a keen jogger, and him I believe, I'm sure they might have come across some remote spots during their stay.....surely they must have done a bit of sightseeing whilst the kids were dumped in the kids club?

[Jdee]

Ausie Mike has up a good post today. http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann (http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann) This one sentence I think sums everything up perfectly...

"How the hell is a yellow ribbon tied around a tree, or pretty red balloons, going to bring back the daughter he and his wife lost?"

[Shazza]

I was thinking about this case while I was trying to get to sleep last night and I really don't think the McCanns killed Madelaine. The reason for this is that they were in a strange country and did not know the surrounding areas -how on earth would they have managed to hide the body (sorry) so well? Madelaine would have been found by now. I would like to see a complete timeline of the day she went missing though to ensure they also did not have the time to hide a body.

This is does not take away from the fact that they left their kids alone in a strange country, nor how terrible it was to do that.

Ausie Mike has up a good post today. http://ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%20McCann This one sentence I think sums everything up perfectly...

"How the hell is a yellow ribbon tied around a tree, or pretty red balloons, going to bring back the daughter he and his wife lost?"
Exactly, more wasted money and time. Aussie Mike tells it like it is, doesnt hold back, wish there were people like him working on the case, I think we would get some results.

[curves]

The mother is a keen jogger, and him I believe, I'm sure they might have come across some remote spots during their stay.....surely they must have done a bit of sightseeing whilst the kids were dumped in the kids club?

I see your points but really how easy would it be to hide a body that well - did they have a car? If not then how did they transport it? It is possible that they disposed of the body however I don't think it's probable - even if they had been to Portugal a few times, it doesn't give you intimate knowledge of the area - especially not when you are staying in a tourist area. What time did they pick the kids up from the kids club? How long did they have between then and dinner for something to happen and a body to be so well hidden? Weren't search dogs brought in? Would they not have tracked Madelaine's scent to the car used to move her body if that? Also they would win Oscars for acting like nothing had happened when they went to dinner if they had just killed their daughter. I also have a hard time believing that if they were acting strangely during dinner, that none of their friends would have spoken up about it. That would mean an entire group of people who were willing to lie or look the other way. Again possible, but IMO unlikely.

I'm not excusing the McCann's behaviour for one second, I just don't think it's realistic that they could have killed and disposed of their daughter and all evidence of the crime in such a short timeframe - only my opinion of course!

[Jdee]

Hi you guys,

daddys wallet has re-appeared:-

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=17690022&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393

The wallet turned up at her parents' Rothley home after it was first posted to their former house in Queniborough, the address for which was inside.

Only comment I'd like to make is "PR Stunt". Latest from the blog:-

Day 56 - 28/06/2007
Busy day- some very good phone calls with important child welfare organsations who we will be working closely with in the future. I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleines disappearance in the long term.

There has been a lot of media publicity over arrests in Spain tonight following information related to the investigation to find Madeleine. This appears to be a clear signal from European police forces that they are treating all information relating to Madeleines disappearance very seriously.

Can you imagine any "important child welfare organisations" using these two to promote welfare to children:banghead: ....defies belief it really does.:behindbar and just as well the police are treating all information re Madeleine seriously, cause he doesn't want to be bothered with it according to yesterdays blogs.

colomom: got some very much neglected household chores done which justifies me popping over for a while:blowkiss: now the grass is cut am hoping the neighbours might start saying 'good morning' again....lol

OMG that stupid wallet... and it hasn't even made the 'headline' news yet on Sky! :rolleyes:

[Jdee]

Hi you guys,

daddys wallet has re-appeared:-

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=132935&command=displayContent&sourceNode=132702&contentPK=17690022&folderPk=77465&pNodeId=132393

The wallet turned up at her parents' Rothley home after it was first posted to their former house in Queniborough, the address for which was inside.

Only comment I'd like to make is "PR Stunt". Latest from the blog:-

Day 56 - 28/06/2007
Busy day- some very good phone calls with important child welfare organsations who we will be working closely with in the future. I have no doubt we will be able to sustain a high profile for Madeleines disappearance in the long term.

There has been a lot of media publicity over arrests in Spain tonight following information related to the investigation to find Madeleine. This appears to be a clear signal from European police forces that they are treating all information relating to Madeleines disappearance very seriously.

Can you imagine any "important child welfare organisations" using these two to promote welfare to children:banghead: ....defies belief it really does.:behindbar and just as well the police are treating all information re Madeleine seriously, cause he doesn't want to be bothered with it according to yesterdays blogs.

colomom: got some very much neglected household chores done which justifies me popping over for a while:blowkiss: now the grass is cut am hoping the neighbours might start saying 'good morning' again....lol

I see your points but really how easy would it be to hide a body that well - did they have a car? If not then how did they transport it? It is possible that they disposed of the body however I don't think it's probable - even if they had been to Portugal a few times, it doesn't give you intimate knowledge of the area - especially not when you are staying in a tourist area. What time did they pick the kids up from the kids club? How long did they have between then and dinner for something to happen and a body to be so well hidden? Weren't search dogs brought in? Would they not have tracked Madelaine's scent to the car used to move her body if that? Also they would win Oscars for acting like nothing had happened when they went to dinner if they had just killed their daughter. I also have a hard time believing that if they were acting strangely during dinner, that none of their friends would have spoken up about it. That would mean an entire group of people who were willing to lie or look the other way. Again possible, but IMO unlikely.

I'm not excusing the McCann's behaviour for one second, I just don't think it's realistic that they could have killed and disposed of their daughter and all evidence of the crime in such a short timeframe - only my opinion of course!

Very valid points Curves. I tend to agree with you as I think it is important to keep an open mind here. Every avenue needs to be explored.

[mjak]

I have a lot of emotion regarding this case because I recently stayed in a resort very similar to this ocean club. The layout of where I stayed is remarkablly like how the ocean club apartment and the restraunt tapas appear to be. There is no way my sister would have ever left her boys alone for one minute while we were away. Her boys are 10 and 8 and both have autistic spectrum disorders. Even if they were typical children they never would have been left alone. Between, my sister, bil my mom and Myself our first priority was always supervison of the boys. When the almost 11 year old saw the sign for preteen night and asked to go my sister was really uptight about it. She and her husband finally decided to let him go however they went over with him and ate dinner at the restraunt across the hall from the preteen night room and essentially spyed on him throughout the three hours. It is inconcievalbe to me that these parents comfortably abandoned there babies like they did. I do not believe there story of what happened. When are they going to do more searching??

mjak

[Spazkat9696]

Well now the the wallet's back they can turn their focus back to Maddie. They suck as parents. They left their kids. They are spending to much time out and about on their PR tour and not enough with the twins. yet I am drawn to this thread because I hope Maddie will be found. However I just get madder and madder at the parents. I was one of the first to suspect the parents. I had to explain my reasoning like the dyscrepancies in the parents story which still have not been cleared up. I think I am just very frustrated. If I could I would just shake the McCanns and say "What were/are you thinking?" On a happy note my hubby and I are off today to pick my son up from my parents. He has been an vacation with them since the 9th, I have been going out of my mind, and I knew he was safe and well cared for.

[colomom]

Hi Colomom,
Cant wait to see what you come up with today, I enjoy reading your posts. You make so much sense, sometimes I have trouble typing what Im thinking, its this thread that is draining my brain Im sure.
Praying for Madelaine everyday.

Hi Shazza,

You express yourself just fine dear heart :blowkiss:

I am also feeling the brain drain and my kids are not too happy with me these days. They don't say so directly but I can tell because they are after me all the time!

I am taking some extra time to love and cherish them. I honestly hope for some peace and quiet for all of us. I think we need to re-charge, for our health and our sanity.

I will be close by thought.....:rolleyes:

Love you all!!

[CarpeDiem]

Aussie Mike needs to get on a plane and go to Portugal for a week. I would especially love his perspective after being there.

[colomom]

I was thinking about this case while I was trying to get to sleep last night and I really don't think the McCanns killed Madelaine. The reason for this is that they were in a strange country and did not know the surrounding areas -how on earth would they have managed to hide the body (sorry) so well? Madelaine would have been found by now. I would like to see a complete timeline of the day she went missing though to ensure they also did not have the time to hide a body.

This is does not take away from the fact that they left their kids alone in a strange country, nor how terrible it was to do that.

Hi Curves!

I'll throw this out for consideration. Take it for what it is worth.

I have been reading about the possibility of a connection between Murat and the McCanns. Pure speculation I believe. They may have known him before May 3rd. He ordered a car and told the rental agency that he needed it for the McCann's (so they could paste posters in the windows :waitasec:) and at the time of the rental he had two vehicles parked in his driveway. Then this latest "report" surfaces that he magically appeared in their apartment on the eveing Maddie dissapears? The timeline of all this is muddy but it is worth consideration. If anyone would know the area it would be Murat and if there was anybody who would help in a coverup it would be Murat and if the McCanns wanted somebody on the payroll.....

I know I can depend on you guys not to flame me but I can tell you that my butt is toasted from other forums! :eek:

[colomom]

Aussie Mike needs to get on a plane and go to Portugal for a week. I would especially love his perspective after being there.

Yep and he needs to take MoonGoddess and myself with him!!!!

:woohoo:

To bad it takes 12 weeks to get a freaking passport in the good ole' USA!

[MoonGoddess]

Yep and he needs to take MoonGoddess and myself with him!!!!

:woohoo:

To bad it takes 12 weeks to get a freaking passport in the good ole' USA!

Hope 'Bev' isn't lurking....she'll suspect we're forming a fan club:blushing:

Re: Murat. This is the only 'interview' he has done with the British Press, its a good article. My gut tells me he is not involved in this, I think he may just have happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, I do think he has something to hide but not re this....need to think on why he wanted a hire car though, I believe some 'freinds' of his have offered up a 'reason' but would need to trawl through some links:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=459316&in_page_id=1770&ICO=NEWS&ICL=TOPART

Madeleine: Is Robert Murat a suspect or a scapegoat?

by DAVID JONES - More by this author » (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dmsearch/overture.html?in_page_id=711&in_overture_ua=cat&in_start_number=0&in_restriction=byline&in_query=david jones&in_name=on&in_order_by=relevance+date) Last updated at 11:06am on 2nd June 2007

interesting 'comments' also:blowkiss:

afterthought on the hire car, presumably the police have run forensics on it? as I gather the thought is he used it to transport her....or worse? Where did he keep her once he snatched her?....no dna at his place. If he used his own car to transport her-police did run checks on all his and his mothers cars....no dna....I dont think I'm making sense, think I'll leave it all alone tonight.....see how Ol' Gords getting on at No.10:blowkiss:

[CaliKid]

German tourist disappears in Portugal

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,488819,00.html

He went for a walk between two villages in the Algarve and hasn't been seen since.

[BethInAK]

Morning Jdee:

I thought these photos from Paulo's blog were very telling: http://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2007/05/some-pictures-from-praia-da-luz-crime.html

Especially the photo of the bedroom window. Maybe they could see the front door but no way could they see the window if someone was to break in that way. "A few yards"....http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y234/colomom/bsflag.gif!

Praying for Maddie.

And also praying for a quiet, uneventful day for our UK friends!!


Looking at the map view there is no way in heck they could see any part of the apartment from the tapas restaurant.

[Thrs0806]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,488819,00.html

CaliKid,

Interesting link. I think this is another strange story. Taking off on a hike of 4.3 miles in a country you are unfamilar with seems kind of risky especially for a 69 YO person. It also seem like an odd place to run into a kidnapper. I think I will scratch Portugal off as one of my vacation destinations ;)

I do find this part of the story very upsetting:

The Republican National Guard has combed the region systematically and searched every square foot using sniffer dogs and an infrared-equipped helicopter from Spain.


Did they do any of these types of searches when Madeleine first came up missing?? If so I didn't read about it. I will admit I didn't hear about Madeleine until she had been missing for about a week so I may of missed it. Now we know that Portugal does have the means and resources to do ground and air searches.

[twinkiesmom]

Quote:
Originally Posted by twinkiesmom
If they were going to ditch their kids for a private dinner, the least they could have done is hold out for a second floor apartment!

I dont think that would have made any difference twinkiesmom.

I was being facetious:crazy:

[Shazza]

Aussie Mike needs to get on a plane and go to Portugal for a week. I would especially love his perspective after being there.
There would be fireworks happening then, he sure wouldnt leave a stone unturned.:clap:

[Shazza]

Yep and he needs to take MoonGoddess and myself with him!!!!

:woohoo:

To bad it takes 12 weeks to get a freaking passport in the good ole' USA!
Great idea, hurry up and get your passports.

[CaliKid]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,488819,00.html

CaliKid,

Interesting link. I think this is another strange story. Taking off on a hike of 4.3 miles in a country you are unfamilar with seems kind of risky especially for a 69 YO person. It also seem like an odd place to run into a kidnapper. I think I will scratch Portugal off as one of my vacation destinations ;)

I do find this part of the story very upsetting:

The Republican National Guard has combed the region systematically and searched every square foot using sniffer dogs and an infrared-equipped helicopter from Spain.


Did they do any of these types of searches when Madeleine first came up missing?? If so I didn't read about it. I will admit I didn't hear about Madeleine until she had been missing for about a week so I may of missed it. Now we know that Portugal does have the means and resources to do ground and air searches.


I wonder how close PdL is from where this man went missing. It would be nice to know that the infrared searches and sniffer dogs covered the same area that Madeleine is missing from.

[Shazza]

I wonder how close PdL is from where this man went missing. It would be nice to know that the infrared searches and sniffer dogs covered the same area that Madeleine is missing from.
My brain is working overtime, I wonder if this man was looking for Madelaine. I know it sounds far fetched, but is just coincidence that a man has gone missing in the same