FL-Jennifer Kesse, 24yo Orlando, FL 1/24/2006 Part 5

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Originally Posted by UCFAlumni2002
I would have to go back and find some of the links to the interviews early on, but Jenn's condo was formally an apartment complex with rentals. There were a lot of condo conversions in Florida during 2005-2006. Jenn's condo was one of those. She had a "punch list" is what I've heard it referred to, and she chose to be home when the work was being done on her condo per the interviews. She would always be on the phone with someone- mom, dad, etc. while any of the workers were in her condo. There were a lot of empty units at Mosaic as not a lot of the apartments had sold.

As much as most complexes have those "condo commandos" unfortunately, Mosaic wasn't one of them.

I was very close with a family their kids and I had become close friends and then my parents and their mom had come very close as well, their father had died at the age of 50 from brain cancer. Virgina was a young viberate 72-year-old lady with alot of class. She had contacted Hud to see if she quaified for winterization and to have her eletrical wiring updated which she did. Hud sub-contracted to M&R Eletrict the eletrican helper we later found out by her best friend whom she told gave her the crips. To make a long story short this eletrican helper came back a week later after the job had been completed and wanted to borrow $50 all we know is that she was able to dilal 911 he kidnapped her out of her home took her down to Gary,Indiana and while he was trying to throw her over the overpass bridge onto I-80&94 durning rush hour taffic she dug into his skin and got his DNA under her finger nail. A small pickup ran over her legs a truck driver said he seen something a head of him but he thought it was a big dog or a deer he ended up in the hospital he had a nerves breakdown when he got up close he said she was leaning up with her hand up in the air for him to stop, he had no where to go your talking rush hour traffic heading in and out of chicago it was bumper to bumper and all 4 lanes were packed I won't go into the deal tails except they were able to find her right hand and they had a finger print on one of her life insurance policys and they were able to ID her along with her own DNA and also got the DNA from the murder.So it truly is possible that it could be a worker from the condo's.
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AFTER SPENDING HOURS OF DELETING AND EDITING POST ON JENNIFER'S THREAD #4 I'M SENDING THIS WARNING OUT TO ALL GUILTY PARTIES IF I FIND ANOTHER POST THAT I HAVE SPENT HOURS ON READING AND DELETING MEMBERS WILL BE BANNED.

[reportertype]

I agree with Windchime re: the condo workers.

If they are doing the amount of renovation work it seems they are, there would be all sorts of workmen in and out.

Painters, electricians, plumbers, drywall folks, AC and heating people, flooring people ... those are off the top of my head. That's a lot of people. And you have to consider that some of them are probably contractors with subcontractors, possibly some day laborers and others who would be hard to find.

It makes me think of a case in Kansas City. Richard Grissom, I think that's the exact name, is in prison. Two women went missing from an apt complex. It turns out he had been a painter and had a copy of the master keys. If I remember correctly he had keys to more than one complex. He also tried to kidnap another woman using an air pistol but she got away.

It sounds like no one hearing or seeing anything isn't surprising if a lot of the condos were empty at the time. I always thought apts complexes and the like were "safer" because you could hear everything but not so in all cases. Plenty of crimes have taken place in them and no one heard a thing.

Is it definite that Jennifer made it to her car? I wonder if someone entered her apartment and surprised her.

[Myserty64]

There are very few 'definites' in Jennifer's case.

One would hope LE knows more than what is in the public arena.

I still believe there will be an arrest. I'm convinced it is a case of the perpetrator reoffending at some future time.

[curves]

Bloody 'ell!! I'm sick of checking in only to see no news on Jennifer - when are they going to realise that if you keep doing what you have always done you will keep getting what you have always got - which in this case is a big fat nothing! :banghead:

For goodness sake, if they have a better picture of the POI then release it!

It's doing my head in.

[UCFAlumni2002]

I understand your frustration Curves. I've been involved since almost day one, and just can't understand how someone can just vanish with little to no trace. I pray everyday for Jenn's miracle and to end this nightmare. But, it's better to keep checking in and see what thoughts everyone has and you never know- maybe our thoughts all put together will help to bring Jenn home :)

[curves]

I understand your frustration Curves. I've been involved since almost day one, and just can't understand how someone can just vanish with little to no trace. I pray everyday for Jenn's miracle and to end this nightmare. But, it's better to keep checking in and see what thoughts everyone has and you never know- maybe our thoughts all put together will help to bring Jenn home :)

That's really sweet UFC :) You're right - good thoughts for Jen.

[reportertype]

I'm convinced it is a case of the perpetrator reoffending at some future time.

You could very well be correct about that.

[UCFAlumni2002]

It's all about the positivity... that is the only way that I can think about Jenn and that keeps me dedicated to helping to find her. So, let's get talking again...

The worker theory has always intrigued me, but it looks so clean, how did a worker pull this off without any real evidence left behind? No sign of a struggle, no blood (thank God!) etc...

[Valiant]

The only problem I find with the workman theory is that there may be 4 or 6 workmen and only one van. They often don't travel to a work site alone. So that means either her car was used from the beginning or the driver took the van and the rest of the workers never thought it odd.

[Myserty64]

Sadly there are a lot of people that vanish without a trace. It doesn't matter what age either.
Be assured Jennifer Kesse isn't the only one.

Here is a question though.
How many cases are there where there is a photo of the suspect and still the case is stalled?
Okay, not the best photo in the world but still a photo.

This case is waiting for the suspect to slip up. It could be as simple as a traffic violation.

[CW]

There is always the posiblity that this POI could of been fired and came back on his own or the POI could of just dressed in old work clothes and fit right in with no one knowing any different.MOO

[rd_jfc]

No, I don't think there's that possibility at this time. I've posted some enhancements of the suspect photos that I did over the last few weeks, and they are definitely not work clothes.

The link to the suspect photo enhancements is on page 1 of the 4th thread link above.

rd

[reportertype]

I don't think what's he wearing when he drops off the car can eliminate the chance he's a worker. Grissom didn't show up in his painter clothes or truck, either. Why would he? He wasn't there to work.

It's a possibility. I'm not suggesting he showed up to work, left the area where he was working, abducted JK and then headed back to work.

[UCFAlumni2002]

rd- imo, they are just that enhancements... we don't know for a fact what you have run are truly the suspect's clothing, so he/she easily could have been a worker or a disgruntled worker.

So many scenarios run through my mind- could it be someone she knew in some capacity that her guard was down? Could it be a worker? Could it be just a random stranger?

Everyone says what they would do in a situation that involved them at gunpoint or knifepoint being asked to drive their car or get in their car or someone else's with their life or the lives of their family and friends being threatened, and I honestly can't say with certainty what I would do. I'm sure I would be scared and in shock and even if I had said I would run the other way or I would drive my car into something or fight, etc.... I don't know if I would.

Praying every day that Jenn is found and continuing to expect miracles...

[rd_jfc]

Enhanced might be too strong of a word I used. Enlarged, blownup, magnified, shows what he was wearing.

As to how long he was wearing it, and when he changed to something else, the photos don't tell.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

Even with what you have provided, I unfortunately do not see that at all. If you and other people do, why not call the family tipline with that information?

[rd_jfc]

If you don't see it, you just aren't looking. :D

I called the police tip line a month ago. A "very sensitive" investigation was announced the next day. It's been quiet since then, and that's a good sign.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

I've been looking at those pictures for the past 17 months... It is definitely a possibility that I don't see it. I'm glad that you phoned the tip line.

[SeriouslySearching]

If you don't see it, you just aren't looking. :D

I called the police tip line a month ago. A "very sensitive" investigation was announced the next day. It's been quiet since then, and that's a good sign.

rd
Trust me, I have been looking and I do happen to see definite "work clothes" the suspect could be wearing then have headed directly to work from leaving off the car. Hmmm...Chef ring a bell there, RD?!?! :banghead:

I have never seen where they announced a "very sensitive" investigation. Do you have that link perhaps?

It has been quiet because they don't have anything to go on, IMO. :(

[SeriouslySearching]

Also, there were reports on that apartment review site which mentioned more than one break-in using keys to those apartments in her complex. I wonder if LE ever bothered to check on those?! They would definitely have the reports in their office and could have gone back to follow up to see if any coincided with Jenn's condo. This would point to workers and past residents, as well.

[rd_jfc]

I replied via PM for the time being.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, RD...I appreciate it. I checked over very carefully what you are saying and not that it isn't possible, but it isn't clearly visible from my 21 inch screen here for some reason. I tried all the tricks, but like the face...all I see is the tree. Good job anyway! Like I said...the shadows are possibly what you are saying they are...but not clear enough for me to tell specifically.

[shwa]

We all know that PD start with people closes to the victim, being family BF, and her closes friends. Next would be work associates and neighbors and in this case constuction workers at Mosaic. People living where her car was found plus people working in different busnisess in the area would probably have been interviewed.
Posters and video of the POI would have gotten the community involved.Also a reward, as an incentivefor anyone to come forward with any info that might lead to finding Jennifer.
Now i know that we are not privy to all that PD has obtained from this, but one has to wonder if they ever brought in a serious suspect, but, just did not have enough evidence to lay charges.

[SeriouslySearching]

We all know that PD start with people closes to the victim, being family BF, and her closes friends. Next would be work associates and neighbors and in this case constuction workers at Mosaic. People living where her car was found plus people working in different busnisess in the area would probably have been interviewed.
Posters and video of the POI would have gotten the community involved.Also a reward, as an incentivefor anyone to come forward with any info that might lead to finding Jennifer.
Now i know that we are not privy to all that PD has obtained from this, but one has to wonder if they ever brought in a serious suspect, but, just did not have enough evidence to lay charges.

It is how it "supposed" to be done, yes. They are also supposed to "assume" she could have gone missing from her apartment and go over it with great detail. It was never processed to our knowledge. It isn't always carried out methodically and properly, so clues could have been missed from the very beginning. Therefore, how do we know they handled the rest of the interviews properly working out from the family? If PD ever did bring in a serious suspect and didn't bother to notify the public for further information they could possibly gain that evidence or information from regarding that person...are they doing their job properly?

[Myserty64]

Someone needs to investigate the investigators.

[SeriouslySearching]

This was just posted in the news forum:

At least one bag containing human remains was discovered on Thursday night near a busy road in Osceola County, according to officials, who said they are treating the find as a suspicious death

http://www.local6.com/news/13631846/detail.html

It is 27 miles and less than 30 minutes from Orlando.
It is 16 miles and 21 minutes from Jennifer's condo from Highway 4, down Ronald Reagan Turnpike then over to Buena Vista Lakes on West Oceola Parkway.

[SeriouslySearching]

Detectives are calling it a probable homicide. What we don't know yet is the age, sex or condition of the body. Those details may emerge from an autopsy set for Friday afternoon at the Orlando Medical Examiner's Office.

A second possible scene was being investigated, mid-morning Friday, a quarter-mile north at the intersection of Boggy Creek Road and the Osceola Parkway.


Detectives won't say if the victim met their end on the dirt access road or was dumped. Sheriff's officials are calling the death unusual, given the nature of the way the body was disposed.

http://www.wftv.com/news/13631036/detail.html

Osceola County detectives this morning confirmed that the suspicious package found on a dirt road Thursday contained human remains.

Investigators are ruling the findings as a "suspicious death" and the medical examiner's office is scheduled to perform an autopsy later today, said sheriff's office spokeswoman Twis Lizasuain.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/southwest/orl-mcfbriefs06_707jul06,0,6060631.story?coll=orl_tab0 1_layout

[SeriouslySearching]

Human remains discovered in multiple garbage bags off a dirt road in Osceola County on Thursday were that of a woman, according to officials.

Sources told Local 6 News that the remains were not decomposed but were still fresh and that they had been next to the dirt road for only a short time.

http://www.local6.com/news/13631846/detail.html

[SeriouslySearching]

OK probably not related...just thought I should stay on top of it tho. You never know. <sigh>

[UCFAlumni2002]

I'm hoping it's not Jenn, but you never know. Praying that whoever it is that it brings answers for her family. My prayers go out to her family and her.

[UCFAlumni2002]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/southwest/orl-mcfbriefs06_707jul06,0,6060631.story?coll=orl_tab0 1_layout

The woman's identity remains a mystery, Lizasuain said, but at this point, investigators believe the body is not that of missing women in two high-profile cases: Jennifer Kesse of Orlando, who was reported missing January 2006; or Brandy Hall, a Malabar Fire Department volunteer whose bloodstained truck was found last August.

[SeriouslySearching]

There is a strong possibility this is Susan Fast. She has a thread here. Her step-son was seen leaving with two garbage bags. Sad, very sad.

[Spazkat9696]

Or maybe the college grad that is missing. I think she is missing from Miami, Stepha Henery.

[UCFAlumni2002]

Stepha Henery can be ruled out as they did state that it was a white woman. I just pray that whoever it is, it brings answers for her family.

[SeriouslySearching]

Ah, OK. Thanks, UCFA! I must have overlooked it. Answers I am certain will be devastating for them. Bless their hearts.

Sorry about posting it here, but you never know where these things can lead. I thought it was in close enough proximity, we might find something. We still could tho. This perp is in basically the same area and there should be a lot of evidence/information to work this case after they discover her identity. An arrest shouldn't take too long.

[UCFAlumni2002]

I know- when I first read about it I did the same thing you did SS... I mapquested to see how far it was from John Young Parkway and Conroy. It just makes me continue to pray for Jenn and her family.. hopefully we'll get the miracle :)

[Beyond Belief]

This case is so frustrating. Is there anyway to find out if any homes in that area had permits pulled to build underground basements/rooms? Like a place to keep a hostage. This gal should have been located by now. Yeah I know this is pulling at straws.:confused:

[rd_jfc]

It's a low lying, high density population area in Central Florida. Apartment complexes all up and down Conroy-Americana and Texas.

On the other hand, Jennifer hasn't been found, and one can only hope she will be.

By the way, BB, thanks for your work on the pictures. It was immensely helpful.

rd

[Beyond Belief]

HI rd, I go back and look at your blowups, they are really good.
I am not really up on much here, I got discussed with "people" in here, so I exited.
Another avenue I was considering was if she could have been driven to a location that Westgate owns down on Rt 60, west of Yeehaw Junction. The perp had her car for a long time and could have driven in many directions, if he was a worker/delivery person he may have been familiar with Westgates properties beyond those in Orlando.

[rd_jfc]

Where the body of the another victim was recently found, as SS posted above, would be at least as far as Jennifer was taken, in my opinion. That was only 16 miles.

And like you say, he had time to go much further.

I hope the blowups help figure it out eventually.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

http://missingpieces.mypodcast.com/2007/06/Missing_Pieces_Episode_43_Guests_Drew_and_Joyce_Ke sse-25009.html

A really interesting interview with Jenn's parents, Drew & Jennifer Kesse.

One point that was interesting is that the FBI is currently 500,000 entries behind in Fingerprint Entries into the National system... I believe DNA is included in that as well. They are only able to do 200,000 entries a year, so that leaves about 2-3 years where if the person or persons involved in Jenn's abduction were not in trouble in the past, but recently, before they might even get a hit.

It's just unreal what happens... they even talk about unidentified human remains. Some places cremate unidentified human remains without any DNA testing. They also talk about how Florida is 3rd in the country behind NY and CA in unidentified human bodies. Imagine how much closure could be brought if they mandated DNA testing on human remains?

[Myserty64]

And people wonder why Jennifer's case along with hundreds if not thousands of other cases remain unsolved.

The worst part is descipable criminals roam the streets free to take other lives while data banks are not updated.

Even when the files are updated you have to hope some cold case detective will actually run forensic evidence they have through the system.

Still, I believe the OPD have all they need in the way of evidence. All that is needed is a suspect to match it to.
Another two years seems an awfully long time for Mr and Mrs Kesse and loved ones to endure.

Where's the justice in this life?

[rd_jfc]

We pay too much to house and guard prisoners, and not enough to put all of them in that belong there.

There is no excuse for us as a nation to not equip law enforcement with what is needed to deal with the crime we have, and that which is needed as first responders to disasters.

But there are lots of reasons to not do it, and only the hope we won't join the victims who are the reason to do it.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

http://missingpieces.mypodcast.com/2007/06/Missing_Pieces_Episode_43_Guests_Drew_and_Joyce_Ke sse-25009.html

A really interesting interview with Jenn's parents, Drew & Jennifer Kesse.

One point that was interesting is that the FBI is currently 500,000 entries behind in Fingerprint Entries into the National system... I believe DNA is included in that as well. They are only able to do 200,000 entries a year, so that leaves about 2-3 years where if the person or persons involved in Jenn's abduction were not in trouble in the past, but recently, before they might even get a hit.

It's just unreal what happens... they even talk about unidentified human remains. Some places cremate unidentified human remains without any DNA testing. They also talk about how Florida is 3rd in the country behind NY and CA in unidentified human bodies. Imagine how much closure could be brought if they mandated DNA testing on human remains?

They are troubling stats. I agree they should be mandated to do DNA testing and set up a data base for the unidentified. It is expensive and difficult, but as we saw in Katrina...when it is neccessary they can and have done it. (Without DNA testing there, they could not have returned so many to their families for closure.)

[drumstick]

It appears that the State of Florida is having problems with entering fingerprint and DNA information into the national data base.
The State of Florida is backlogged with this information and months behind which leaves the door open for known criminals to walk our streets without a timely arrest.

If you have had any experience with this problem in your State and have found a solution, please email me at drumstick2468@yahoo.com (drumstick2468@yahoo.com).

Thank you~


Jennifer Kesse is still missing.

Family Tip Line ..... 1- 407-722-2162

[leftcoast]

Drumstick:

I googled it, and it appears that just about every state has the same problem. Not sticking up for the states, but, I think there are a variety of factors which contribute to this problem. They include:

The addition of new crimes to the list of offenders to submit DNA samples. For example, in my state, originally, only murderers, and sexual criminals were required to submit DNA samples.

Now, new laws have been enacted, and all convicted felons are required to submit DNA samples.

When the legislatures pass these new laws, why aren't they required to figure out how these laws are going to be funded, and processed in a timely manner?

Not to get off the topic:

But, in the Jennifer Kesse case, Drew Kesse mentioned that he believes that LE has DNA of the POI. From what source did LE get the DNA? How does LE know the DNA is from the POI? Anybody have any scoop, or inside knowledge?

Also, there are no guarantees that the POI's DNA is being processed waiting to be put in CODIS. He would have had to been convicted of a serious crime, and been required to submit a sample.

I thought early on, that someone suggested a partial print was collected on JK's car, but there was no match, and that LE was thinking the POI did not have a record. Anybody know the scoop?

If we can add taxes to hotel bills and rental car bills to build football and baseball stadiums, why can't we add a 1.00 a night in taxes to fund more techs to run DNA profiles, and catch up on the backlog of DNA samples from known felons. It is ridiculous where our priorities are in this country.

Is a new baseball stadium worth more to our society than keeping a convicted rapist off the street? I think not.

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[UCFAlumni2002]

I agree with you that it's a national problem.

[BethInAK]

Drumstick:

But, in the Jennifer Kesse case, Drew Kesse mentioned that he believes that LE has DNA of the POI. From what source did LE get the DNA? How does LE know the DNA is from the POI? Anybody have any scoop, or inside knowledge?


I am very curious about this - what POI? DNA from WHERE?

[UCFAlumni2002]

Welcome Beth...

Best bet would be to read back to thread 3 or 4.. There is a lot of information about the POI, who is now the suspect in the case. The DNA is reportedly from Jennifer's car, which was found 2 days after Jenn vanished. You can also check out www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com) and get caught up a bit on Jennifer. Feel free to ask any other questions and I'll help guide you to the info.

thanks

[UM&AMWfan]

This LE authority was interviewed about the Stepha Henry case and she said there are so many bodies of water in Florida it would be next to impossible to search them all. So, that same daunting situation faces anyone missing in Florida including Jennifer.

Texas Equiisearch has been called in to help find Stepha and I was wondering weren't they ever called in to help look for Jennifer? The guy who owns it is very altruistic and he does it for free so it could've only helped but I don't know if they would come after this long.

The Kesse family should've called on Texas Equiisearch long ago. Haven't they done that??

[UK Sleuth]

Drumstick:

I googled it, and it appears that just about every state has the same problem. Not sticking up for the states, but, I think there are a variety of factors which contribute to this problem. They include:

The addition of new crimes to the list of offenders to submit DNA samples. For example, in my state, originally, only murderers, and sexual criminals were required to submit DNA samples.

Now, new laws have been enacted, and all convicted felons are required to submit DNA samples.

When the legislatures pass these new laws, why aren't they required to figure out how these laws are going to be funded, and processed in a timely manner?

Not to get off the topic:

But, in the Jennifer Kesse case, Drew Kesse mentioned that he believes that LE has DNA of the POI. From what source did LE get the DNA? How does LE know the DNA is from the POI? Anybody have any scoop, or inside knowledge?

Also, there are no guarantees that the POI's DNA is being processed waiting to be put in CODIS. He would have had to been convicted of a serious crime, and been required to submit a sample.

I thought early on, that someone suggested a partial print was collected on JK's car, but there was no match, and that LE was thinking the POI did not have a record. Anybody know the scoop?

If we can add taxes to hotel bills and rental car bills to build football and baseball stadiums, why can't we add a 1.00 a night in taxes to fund more techs to run DNA profiles, and catch up on the backlog of DNA samples from known felons. It is ridiculous where our priorities are in this country.

Is a new baseball stadium worth more to our society than keeping a convicted rapist off the street? I think not.

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Left

I couldnt agree more and if it helps at all its no different in the UK.
(probably doesn't help)

Residents of London will be paying increases in their council tax in the next few years, why? To fund the 2012 Olympics.

Whilst the Olympics are a wonderful event it aggravates me and most people that we can find/charge for the funds to raise the millions the Olympics cost but we cannot afford a better police presence on our streets.

Gang culture is becoming rife over here and nothing is being done to combat it, not enough 'Bobbies on the beat' is the problem.

The US and UK have plenty of disposable cash to wage wars around the world it would seem, priorities all wrong.

Getting back to Jennifer it seems pretty clear to me that the case is ice cold there appears to have been no more leads from the new tape and why would there be? All that did was confirm the poi dumped the car it was no good for identification the original pictures are obviously the best they have.

I still think if/when the case is solved glaring inaccuracies and mistakes will probably be highlighted.

There are two things I would like to know about this case if possible:

1) If they have DNA evidence what is it and how do they know it is the poi's?

2) How many people have been nominated as a suspect from the CCTV pictures?

Surely somebody must have phoned in and said that looks like someone they know.
Even if it were a transient worker you would think other workers would remember someone I find it hard to believe that nobody has been put forward for it.

[rd_jfc]

Everything about the DNA and fingerprint stems from the one brief report that they obtained it from the car. Then there were other posts that said no match was made.

The one thing that I think was authoritative is that a statement was made that forensic evidence indicates Jennifer was in or near her car when she was attacked. I don't give any credence to the fingerprint/DNA report. It was brief, anonymous, and vague. Sounded like deliberate misinformation for psychological purposes to me. I only say this now because any potential effect of its purpose is long gone.

rd

[UK Sleuth]

rd

Thanks for pm link to the photo's.

I have looked and can't make out an awful lot but I will say that I am borderline colour blind so not the best person to look at these things sometimes have problems picking out shapes etc.

If and its a big if you are correct about the sherrifs badge/taser etc what's your theory?

From day one my intial reaction to the poi's picture was and still is that they look bizarrely dressed.

One of my thoughts has always been that the poi is dressed in some sort of disguise.

They just look incredibly oddly dressed to me, clothes don't look like they fit right and certainly the shoes look clown size, not impossible they have big feet but I hope you get my drift.

A lot of people have theorised chef, decorator etc I try and look back to my first impression which was... they look weird.

If it iss someone disguised that may add to the lack of leads as lets face it the photo's are pretty poor all side on and obscured by the gate.

If my brother dressed like that and we had similar photo's I don't think I would recognise him.

A lot of people have commented on the lack of any sign of struggle either at JKs condo or by her car so being restrained either by a gun or taser.

Also she would have her guard down if someone was dressed in some kind of 'uniform'

Case is cold though no doubt in my mind about that.

[Enrique Sparta]

If we can add taxes to hotel bills and rental car bills to build football and baseball stadiums, why can't we add a 1.00 a night in taxes to fund more techs to run DNA profiles, and catch up on the backlog of DNA samples from known felons. It is ridiculous where our priorities are in this country.

Is a new baseball stadium worth more to our society than keeping a convicted rapist off the street? I think not.

left

Agreed. I'm proud to say that, here in Los Angeles, none of those stadiums are built with taxpayer money, NONE. We've told the NFL to shove it for years and years now. It's sooooo stupid. I don't understand other cities. Why would you finance some billionaire's toy box? And let him keep all the profit? A sports stadium/arena has NO value to the economy. Real economists have proved this.

Taxpayer money should go to schools, police, roads, etc.

I agree it's a damn shame all these facts about being behind on DNA and fingerprint databases.

[UCFAlumni2002]

The body that was found in Osceola last Thursday is not that of Jennifer Kesse.

Sadly, it is another woman whose family and loved ones now have answers for.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/07/body-found-near.html (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/07/body-found-near.html)

Body found near Osceola pond identified

posted by Willoughby Mariano on Jul 9, 2007 7:28:16 PM
A body found along a dirt path in Osceola County has been identified as a Kissimmee woman, deputies said Monday.

Ragan Kendall, 48, was last seen June 17 when she was released from Osceola County Jail on her own recognizance on a misdemeanor count of possessing less than 20 grams of marijuana and a felony count of contempt of court. A man and his son driving to a nearby pond to fish found Kendall's body in plastic bags near Boggy Creek Road and Osceola Parkway. Investigators later disclosed that her body had been dismembered.

Kendall has a history of drug and prostitution arrests.

Detectives ask that anyone who has seen the victim during the past few weeks or has any other information call the sheriff's office at 407-348-2222 or Crimeline at 800-423-TIPS (8477). Crimeline is offering a $5,000 reward.
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[BethInAK]

Agreed. I'm proud to say that, here in Los Angeles, none of those stadiums are built with taxpayer money, NONE. We've told the NFL to shove it for years and years now. It's sooooo stupid. I don't understand other cities. Why would you finance some billionaire's toy box? And let him keep all the profit? A sports stadium/arena has NO value to the economy. Real economists have proved this.

Taxpayer money should go to schools, police, roads, etc.


LOL! My dad calls Safeco field in Seattle "Taxpayers Field. Because thats who really paid for it"

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank you for finding this out, UCFA. Sadly, another family does have to face such tragic circumstances.

[Enrique Sparta]

rd's blown up pics are amazing and his analysis is spot on

[rd_jfc]

Thanks ES. I PM'd UK some additional info to look for.

It's just a matter of whether imposter or not. I just don't know, but seems elaborate for imposter. For example, I posted an article about a local Kissimmee imposter, and getup for that guy was not even close to this.

And where does the suspect go, back down Conroy to the Mosaic? I doubt it, but the tracking (scenting) dog did. I can't see the guy getting on a bus there at Texas and Americana, and unless he lived in a local nearby apartment complex on Texas or Americana, I don't know where else he would go, assuming he parked nearby the Mosaic and planned this.

It has never made sense to me. But this does change perception, no doubt in my mind.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

rd... definitely a possibility, but at the same time, there would be fingerprints in Jenn's car. Is it not true that LE has to be fingerprinted? Wouldn't they match anything in the system? Just a thought.

[rd_jfc]

Any experienced person is not going to leave fingerprints (i.e. latex gloves). When it could have been an illegal immigrant, then ok, left fingerprints, none on record, etc.

But no way this guy would leave fingerprints in the car, or that LE has one and can't make a match, IMO.

I consider the sole source statement of this as passed on to Fox News (IIRC) to be very vague, and possibly deliberately misleading.

But you're right. If they had one, they'd have made a match.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

:banghead: I do feel that they have dna evidence and prints. Reason being is that it has been stated a few different times. At least for the prints. It might be a partial, it might be a ton of prints, it might be one. But they do have something. Listen to the interview with the Kesse's about the delay in entering in dna and fingerprints into the national database by the FBI... that it could take 2-3 years before being entered. It's just a shame that it might take that long to get any answers.

[Enrique Sparta]

It's just a matter of whether imposter or not. I just don't know, but seems elaborate for imposter. For example, I posted an article about a local Kissimmee imposter, and getup for that guy was not even close to this.

I came to that conclusion too, too perfect for an imposter.

[leftcoast]

RE: DNA

Thing that makes me suspicious of the DNA report.

It was only one channel, Fox, and they didn't give out where the DNA sample came from, meaning, was it a piece of hair, blood, bodily fluids, sweat, cigarette, soda can, etc.

Plus, why haven't the other stations run the story? or have I missed it?

When LE accidentially released the video of the POI parking the car, all media outlets kept the video secret from the public.

Now, we have a leak from within LE about DNA? And to only one station? And that one station, Fox, runs the story, without first considering burning whoever gave them the tip? or jeopardizing the investigation? Just seems inconsistent to me. I'm not saying it isn't true, but, makes me wonder.

Plus, given the cleanliness of the crime, lack of leads, no mention of anyone being asked for a DNA sample (other than Joyce Kesse, for other reasons), it just makes me wonder if LE does in fact have the POI's DNA.

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[drumstick]

:banghead: I do feel that they have dna evidence and prints. Reason being is that it has been stated a few different times. At least for the prints. It might be a partial, it might be a ton of prints, it might be one. But they do have something. Listen to the interview with the Kesse's about the delay in entering in dna and fingerprints into the national database by the FBI... that it could take 2-3 years before being entered. It's just a shame that it might take that long to get any answers.

I agree with your frustration! :banghead:
The suspect in this case could be in jail right now for another offense and no one would know until this information is entered into the database.

We can build a space station but we can't find people to enter simple information into a database in a timely manner.
:mad:

[UCFAlumni2002]

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: It's consistant banging my head against the wall, but I feel confident that they have DNA and fingerprint evidence. Although not widely covered by every single news station, I know that when I've heard the Kesse's talk, one of their frustrations is the fact that they have information but just no match. We really need to get laws passed that a) treat missing people no matter what the situation as missing people, rather then presumed "needed to get away" until evidence points otherwise. b) We need to do DNA testing on human remains c) We need fingerprints and DNA entered into the National Database within a timely fashion- not 2-3 years later.

[UCFAlumni2002]

Also- the POI is no longer the POI- he/she is now the SUSPECT

[rd_jfc]

I agree with these goals, I think almost everyone does, and I hope it turns into action soon.

Things are clearly in bad shape. I am a computer programmer, and I track failed government software projects. Nearly everything in last several years has failed to become working systems that are required by law to be in place and working.

However, under the broad umbrella of "there's a backlog of data to enter into crime databases, for want of an entered fingerprint/DNA we have no match, but may someday get a match for this forensic evidence they're sitting on", I would say in one way, yes, there's always new data to enter, and if there's no match now, there may be in the future.

But one, I don't believe they have anyone else's forensic evidence from the car but Jennifer's (as in, "we believe she was in or near her car when attacked"), and two, if they did, I believe that anyone who would match up is not a relatively recent arrival to the country in the "backlog" of fingerprint data entery.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

Just a note: Tampa, FL LE caught a kidnapper on the highway. Details are still sketchy, but was just a flash on Fox.

[Masterj]

Just a note: Tampa, FL LE caught a kidnapper on the highway. Details are still sketchy, but was just a flash on Fox.

Any update on this? Thanks!

[UCFAlumni2002]

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/newswire/story/fhp-rescues-bound-woman-from-pickup/

FHP Rescues Bound Woman From SUV
Posted Jul 12, 2007 by Loren Omoto
Updated Jul 12, 2007 at 04:05 PM
By Valerie Kalfrin
The Tampa Tribune
The Florida Highway Patrol charged a Tampa man with armed kidnapping and battery after a motorist reported seeing a woman bound and gagged in his sport utility vehicle.
Trooper Larry Coggins said about 2 p.m., the highway patrol received a Star FHP call reporting that a woman in a white Chevy Blazer appeared to be bound and gagged.
The troopers pulled over the Blazer on the ramp leading from Interstate 4 to northbound 275 and saw the woman with duct tape over her mouth in the back seat.
The driver was identified as Marcus A. Young, 54, of Tampa.
The woman is 35, from Panama City.
Coggins did not identify her. She told troopers she was walking in the Ybor area when Young, who is an acquaintance, pulled up and began having an argument with her. He then bound and gagged her and put her in the vehicle.
The woman is being checked out at a local hospital, said Coggins and they are sending a special investigator to talk to her to get more details from her.

[BethInAK]

wow, thats one lucky, lucky woman.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes and I will be interested to know what she can tell them. How he got gained control, got her in the vehicle, etc.

I want to know what he is saying, if anything.

[UCFAlumni2002]

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/newswire/story/fhp-rescues-bound-woman-from-pickup/

FHP Rescues Bound Woman From SUV
Posted Jul 12, 2007 by Loren Omoto
Updated Jul 12, 2007 at 04:05 PM
By Valerie Kalfrin
The Tampa Tribune
The Florida Highway Patrol charged a Tampa man with armed kidnapping and battery after a motorist reported seeing a woman bound and gagged in his sport utility vehicle.
Trooper Larry Coggins said about 2 p.m., the highway patrol received a Star FHP call reporting that a woman in a white Chevy Blazer appeared to be bound and gagged.
The troopers pulled over the Blazer on the ramp leading from Interstate 4 to northbound 275 and saw the woman with duct tape over her mouth in the back seat.
The driver was identified as Marcus A. Young, 54, of Tampa.
The woman is 35, from Panama City.
Coggins did not identify her. She told troopers she was walking in the Ybor area when Young, who is an acquaintance, pulled up and began having an argument with her. He then bound and gagged her and put her in the vehicle.
The woman is being checked out at a local hospital, said Coggins and they are sending a special investigator to talk to her to get more details from her.


It appears that she was known to him.... wonder if this is the same way it happened for Jennifer?

[SeriouslySearching]

You never know. That is why we need to stay up on all these cases...even like Kelsey Smith's. There are so many possibilities of how or why with Jennifer. This kidnapper could even be the one...and a lucky break is what we need in her case.

[UCFAlumni2002]

http://www.wesh.com/news/13667608/detail.html

Police Consider Underwater Technology In Kesse Search


POSTED: 7:13 am EDT July 12, 2007
UPDATED: 11:29 am EDT July 12, 2007


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Orlando police said they may use sonar technology to search for Jennifer Kesse.


The Orlando woman has been missing since January 2006, WESH 2 News reported.


Investigators said they would use the underwater sonars in ponds around the apartment where Kesse lived, which is located near the Mall at Millenia.


The same equipment was used recently in the search for missing Brevard County firefighter Brandy Hall.

[SeriouslySearching]

That is great! I thought they had already searched those areas tho. What did they use before?

[rd_jfc]

I never saw anything on it, but as your question implies, in searches for other women dive teams go underwater, or in one case, for Theresa Parker, they drained a nearby pond to search it.

This is excellent, albeit a year and a half late. Unfortunately yet another woman had to disappear for others to see technology for searching for her.

rd

[Myserty64]

Did they find Brandy Hall though?

There was one lake searched not long after Jennifer vanished. Whether there was more searches I don't know.

I do believe this could be termed a slow investigation.

[SeriouslySearching]

S L O W is right! What is wrong with them? If they have not already searched those ponds...that is ridiculous. Even if they didn't find her...the cells, purse, etc. could be there or any other evidence. When did they say they would do this or are they still "considering"? Sheesh!

[Myserty64]

I think it is fair to say this investigation got off to a bad start and it has never really recovered.
There appears to have been a mixture of bad luck and poor decisions resulting in a case in limbo.

As we all know, in this type of investigation the first 48 hours is critical.
This case never got going until after 48 hours.

As people have posted above it is most important to get all the forensic data bases up to date and keep them that way.
Surely this has to be done for the safety of the community.

Our leaders need to get the priorities right.

[drumstick]

Most le agencies do not have experience in dealing with missing people cases. (IMO)

We hear about all of these cases on cable news and the internet and there appears to be a flood of these cases recently, but really it's nothing new. This has been going on for ages. What is new is the way we share information so quickly.

The media is also helping share their experiences with missing cases when they ask le the right questions and give them suggestions, maybe carried from other cases.
It takes all of us working together to protect one another and help each other in a world that would hurt us.

United we stand.

Please stand up for the missing and their families.

Help shine a light on the need for timely (DNA, fingerprint) database entries.

Please stand up for Jennifer Kesse.

family tipline~ 1-407-772-2162

[Myserty64]

I repeat:

As people have posted above it is most important to get all the forensic data bases up to date and keep them that way.
Surely this has to be done for the safety of the community.

Our leaders need to get the priorities right.

Is this too much to ask?
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[SeriouslySearching]

I agree, Myserty! What good is having a community with beautiful trees, roads, and amenities our tax dollars provide...if the people living there aren't safe to enjoy them? Their priorities are messed up.

[SeriouslySearching]

Update on kidnapped woman:

TAMPA - The Florida Highway Patrol has identified the kidnapping victim troopers rescued Thursday on Interstate 275 north of Interstate 4 as Lisa A. Baker, 35, of Panama City.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement records show no criminal history for Young in this state.

Public records list him as the registered agent of the Golden Anchor, a Waters Avenue bar. A woman who answered the phone said Young and his wife had run the business for about a year.

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/newswire/story/kidnapped-woman-identified/

I wonder where they lived before then?! This guy was married and yet had a woman at his home he then kidnapped? Maybe it wasn't the first time he has become obsessed with a female and took 'care' of the situation this way. He runs a bar and it all makes him a candidate to be looked at here in my book. I do hope Orlando LE checks him out.

[docwho3]

Seemed to take me forever to find a pic of the perp online at a news site. Now what I am wondering is if we can find a pic of his wife to see if she fits the image of the POI in the kesse case. So far there seems to be no connection but it doesnt hurt to consider possibilities just in case.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=58907

Edited to add: I wonder how far his home is from where J.K. disappeared?

[rd_jfc]

The suspect is a man, and an average height to 5'11" man at that. The police are wildly wrong in their height description, and the closeups I did show it to be a man.

The coloring is not accurate, and some think his hair is light colored, not black. The picture of the perp you posted is gray, so I wouldn't rule that out.

The face is roughly that of the face in my blowup of photo three, but the suspect in Jennifer's case had no mustache, probably a chin strap instead of a goatee, but don't know, and his hair was neatly trimmed in the back.

I personally think the Jesse suspect is much younger than 54, but considering that we have to be subjective about hair color, there is nothing about the picture you posted that rules him out. I didn't see anything else posted that suggested why you said wife other than the official height estimate.

rd

[petra]

rd-Wanted to thank you for the picture blow ups. Good work.

This guy from Tampa looks huge to me--not at all the same body shape.

Doing a quick search--Tampa seems to be at least 125 miles (1.5 hrs) from Orlando.

The info in the link that docwho provided says that he and his wife were seperated but living together, according to the stepson.

I think it is highly unlikely the POI is one and the same.

Thank goodness for an alert motorist!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

It also said they have only run that bar for a year...and there is no mention his whereabouts before that time. He or they may have moved into the Tampa area from elsewhere.

I wasn't considering him to have been the one dropping off the car...but what if he owned/ran a bar or restaurant and had one of his employees do it?

You also have to consider this man's appearance could have changed dramatically in 16 or so months.

What was he going to do with this woman he had bound, gagged, and was driving around with?! I have to think her end result would not have been good.

[rd_jfc]

Thanks, petra. I agree with the points you and SS make, as far as not would have ended well for the woman saved by an alert motorist.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

As much as the POI is now the suspect, I still feel that he/she was not the one who abducted Jennifer. I don't know quite why- it's just a gut feeling I have. But I do wish some sort of answer would come sooner rather then later. I wish that LE would have taken this case seriously the second Jenn went missing on January 24, rather then on January 26 when her car was found.

[SeriouslySearching]

As much as the POI is now the suspect, I still feel that he/she was not the one who abducted Jennifer. I don't know quite why- it's just a gut feeling I have. But I do wish some sort of answer would come sooner rather then later. I wish that LE would have taken this case seriously the second Jenn went missing on January 24, rather then on January 26 when her car was found.

I believe we all agree with you on the point Jenn's case should have been taken seriously the second she went missing. Critical time was lost and, in the first few days, they didn't do everything neccessary to cover all the bases.

Your gut feeling could very well be correct. Hugs~ We all want those answers soon.

[UCFAlumni2002]

In only about 8 short days, it will be 1 1/2 years since Jenn vanished. Please help get coverage for Jenn's story... please email your local and national news stations asking for updates. The media gives what the public wants to see. So, please help find Jenn and get the media involved all over the country and possibly the world. :)

[rd_jfc]

The ring around the guy's neck is not normal. He is no Good Samaritan parking an abandoned car.

The ring is pronounced and very visible in the closeups of all three photos, which surprised me being visible in photo three at that distance. That also shows that the ring goes around the front of his throat as well.

rd

[leftcoast]

The ring around the guy's neck is not normal. He is no Good Samaritan parking an abandoned car.

The ring is pronounced and very visible in the closeups of all three photos, which surprised me being visible in photo three at that distance. That also shows that the ring goes around the front of his throat as well.

rd

RD: based on your photo's, what do you think is around the POI's neck?
Could it be a tatoo, part of his shirt, a shadow, a mark from a struggle? What's your best guess?

BTW: Good job with your effort on the photo's.

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[rd_jfc]

Thanks, left. Initially I thought it was a shadow when I saw it in the first photo. But it was even more distinct in the second photo.

It is midneck, well above his white shirt. In the second photo you can even see where the skin on his neck bordering the ring is whiter than the rest. Could be an illusion, but I don't think so.

The ring doesn't have the solidness of something encircling his neck, and appears to be too straight and solid to be a necklace. I believe the detail is good enough in the second photo that if it were an intricately patterned tatto, we would detect some variance in it.

It is all consistent with self strangulation during sex. I researched if a bruise is left during such an act, and found that these (usually) men doing this put a pad around their neck to keep from leaving bruises.

Obviously, he wasn't prepared for that, which would be an indication to me of crime of opportunity versus premeditated assault and abduction, on anyone, much less Jennifer.

But I think it's a mark left during this horrific crime, and that it makes him the man who ended Jennifer's life for his evil selfishness.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

OK I think that is a bit too much speculation. If it doesn't have the solidness of being "something"...it could very well be a tat. Tats vary and not all are intricately patterned. It could also be a shadow.

[rd_jfc]

It has the solidness of a bruise, in the same location around his neck in all three photos.

Your responses indicate you have not looked at the photos very closely.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

I have, but am still not convinced the blow ups you have done are as accurate as you believe they are. Sorry.

[rd_jfc]

As I've heard that from a couple of other people as well, I guess it mystifies some people that what is not visible to the naked eye becomes visible when magnified. If magnification created something out of nothing, then it wouldn't be a standard technique used by professional analysts.

There is nothing ambiguous about the face, sheriff's shoulder patch, stun gun holster with leg straps, left hand clenched behind his back close to the stun gun holster, his hair cut short under the bike helmet or beret, or the prominent ring around his neck.

It is blurry on bad monitors. The sharper the monitor, the more crystal the image is. 15" LCD for example show the sheriff's shoulder patch in photo one whereas a good 19" monitor spreads it too wide for the eye to detect as a solid shoulder patch.

So different aspects of these blowups can be observed with different sizes and types of monitors.

But they are all there everytime. It's a matter of how easy it is for the eye to detect. For example, the sheriff's shoulder patch is even visible in photo three as the police released it, once you know it's there and know where to look for it.

The ring is so solid and pronounced that I find it impossible to believe someone can't see it for what it is on any monitor.

As a computer programmer who wrote the scanner drivers for PC Paintbrush back in the day, and some graphics correction utilities to go along with it, I have seen some amazing things done with graphics. I just used standard Paint Shop Pro for this, and anyone else can do this. It's just a matter of combinations of enlargement, gamma correction, brightness, and contrast, although it's not easy.

rd

[UCFAlumni2002]

rd- I'm glad that you are so convinced, but while you are convinced, there are quite a few of us that are not. Also, I'm still hopeful that Jenn might possibly be alive. Liklihood I know is slim if any, but there is a chance and I will hold onto that chance and hope and miracle until proven otherwise. I personally do not believe that the poi(suspect) is the same as the person who actually abducted Jennifer. I also do not see, with staring at the blowups that you did and of the pictures numerous times any resemblence to a badge, bike helmet, taser, etc. I feel that the person who parked Jennifer's car is someone who may not be aware of what he/she did- a favor for a friend, someone paid off to park the car, etc are some scenarios. Who did it? That is the million dollar question. The height part- I think the person can be any height in all reality. I'm not quite sure on that one, except that I know someone who is 5'7 and standing next to a SUV who met the top of the car. So I can see how someone 5'5 can appear to be taller then top of Jenn's chevy malibu. Continuing to pray for Jennifer's miracle.

[rd_jfc]

Well, of course if you don't see the bike patrol uniform, then of course all sorts of other possibilities become available.

As I posted above, none of the items you mentioned not being able to see are even ambiguous. The taser holster is blown up to three different sizes. By the third blow up, it has all the detail of a catalog picture of a taser holster with leg strap.

And the sheriff's shoulder patch in photo three is visible both bright and darkened, which is the way I first found it. Then of course, knowing that, it is actually visible in the original picture.

Knowing that he has a county sheriff's shoulder patch, I was stunned to find that some of the pattern in photo one over the front shirt logo I couldn't make out on a 19" monitor is in fact the sheriff's shoulder patch. It is very clear on a 15" LCD.

His face in photo three is that of a bike patrolman wearing a helmet and chinstrap, and the ring around his neck below that.

Whether he is an imposter or not, there is just as much chance of him keeping Jennifer alive as anyone else. That has nothing to do with it, or whether this person is parking a car for a friend, etc., as you think.

But in fact none of it is ambiguous whatsoever, and features are very clearly seen in all three photos. I posted resolution and display size guidelines, and I also posted that other resolutions besides 1024 x 768 will fare poorly in showing the detail.

I have seen another person respond as you have, but it was basically just disbelief that what he was looking at was real.

rd

[Enrique Sparta]

rd's analysis is spot on. I see everything clearly. My monitor is perfect for viewing, in my opinion there is no question rd is correct in his findings....the badge is there, same size, same shape, the taser holster couldn't be more obvious, and the taser too. oh and the face, the dude's face is absolutely there, he turned towards the car, you can see the sunglasses, not sure about the goatee/chin strap but my guess is chin strap cause he's wearing a helmet. however he may also be wearing a beret. i think he may be some kind of military police, if not bike patrol, maybe a security guard of some kind. Taser, by the way, absolutely perfect weapon to immobilize somebody, quiet and efficient. I also believe he has military/police training.

UCFAlumni, what makes you think the suspect who drove and parked JK's car is not the one who abducted her? I mean we've all considered that theory and nobody's discounting it, but you seem confident that's the case. Why do you think the kidnapper is not the one who drove the car? Just wondering.



As for the Orlando cops not getting in on the case soon enough and they should've gotten involved the second JK was reported missing...that's ludicrous. Law enforcement got involved VERY quickly in the JK case. Especially for a missing adult, they got involved very fast. The large majority of missing people have not been abducted in any way, they either stayed out longer than expected, ran away, whatever....but usually it's voluntarily and people worry about their loved ones (understandably) If the cops treated every missing person report as an abduction the second they heard about it, they'd be spending just about all their time hunting down people who voluntarily left for a while, a long while, whatever. There wouldn't be nearly enough manpower to police the city in other matters. Keep in mind adults have every right to leave town when they want and are not required to phone home or whatever. They have to make sure it's an abduction case or an involuntary disappearance. In the case of JK, after some background info they quickly got on the case. However once her family called in, the Orlando PD couldn't just say "OMG Shut down the city, an adult has been reported missing!"

Notice how the family of JK has been very supportive of the Orlando PD's investigation into J's vanishing. There is certainly no shortage of victim's families who feel their local law enforcement has not done enough to help find their loved one. They usually will criticize LE publicly. Nothing like that at all from JK's family. Nope LE got involved quick and shouldn't be criticized for that.

Some mistakes they made....

1.should've released the video of the suspect right away with the photos. it was a dumb strategy to think that their trap was gonna work. Even if the kidnapper is a complete fool, he still wasn't gonna fall for that "oh we just wanted to make it seem like he was just a person of interest and not a suspect" yeah right. May not have mattered though. You can't really see anything. Plus we all knew the guy was the suspect anyway. Common sense. I know they can't reveal all their clues/evidence but I'm sure they have other stuff they aren't telling anybody. The video may have been more helpful shortly after JK's vanishing.

2.the height of the suspect. wrong wrong wrong. so dumb. the regulars on the JK case here blew that 5'3"-5'5" estimate outta the water. Stick a fork in that. It's a normal height man. Great work by you guys. I really stayed outta the questioning of the suspect's height but it's clear you guys were right. At first I thought the cops got it right. No. That's just bad police work.

3.the suspect photos without being blown up are not very good. they could've added some blown up photos next to the regular. This isn't only the cops fault. Whoever is putting those fliers up and driving that billboard around should have included enhanced photographs as well.

Other than that though, they've taken the case very seriously. not getting involved soon enough is not one of their errors. they just haven't gotten somebody to drop a dime yet. rd took the case in a whole new direction though. The RIGHT direction. He should get the million dollars if they find her alive. There's a reason why the state of Florida is checking out all tasers now....rd rd rd.


hey are you guys sure cops have to be fingerprinted before they get their badge or whatever? I didn't think that was the case.

[rd_jfc]

I agree with your analysis, ES. I of course would be so happy if Jennifer were recovered and the generous donors could keep their reward money. Helping to bring justice for Jennifer is reward enough.

The regulars here had me convinced the height was totally offbase. When I went down to Orlando recently (shortly after finding this stuff, I wanted to see what the possibilities were at the site with what I was seeing - I posted a road trip report in the link with the blow ups), I based my height estimate as a couple of people here did, on the palm tree.

The palm tree I estimate at 7', and I judged how far away from the tree he was walking from the space between the curb and his feet. He is as you say, and I would concur with the estimate of the others here at 5'11" based on the palm tree he's standing next to.

As to fingerprinting, I would be surprised if a major city/county like Orlando didn't fingerprint as part of a felony identity check before hiring. But maybe not. I think I was first fingerprinted when I went into the military. I would be surprised if this guy has no military exposure that would get him fingerprinted.

But thanks for the kind words. Regardless, the important thing to me is what you said, there is an investigation going on even as we speak. In my mind it wouldn't have taken long to determine if imposter or not. Making a murder case is what takes the time, and there won't be anything said one way or the other until then.

The recent news of searching local ponds was encouraging.

rd

[Enrique Sparta]

didn't we call for searching nearby bodies of water last year? should've been done more recently by somebody. but better late than never.

on the photo when his face is revealed, where was he when he turned a little to look at the car? you know how the pool complex has that curve? it seemed to me he walked around that curve and then towards the end of the pool complex turned to look at the car, yes? Like close to where the entrance to the apartment complex is. am I off? Just curious. Cause I do see his face.

[rd_jfc]

Yeah, but I guess they thought it was impractical until they saw the sonar equipment being used to search for Brandy (but I don't recall that they found her though, either).

It could be that simple, or it could be that the investigation has given them insight into possibilities that are more than a shot in the dark, I don't know.

He parked Jennifer's car by coming into the complex off of Texas, immediately through a parking lane that extends right and left in front of apartments facing Texas, then past the pool in the first available spot. He walked back the way he came in, and curled around to the right around the pool fence into the parking lane that he passed up for parking coming in.

That's probably because parking along that lane would be somewhat visible to traffic on Texas, but by parking right past the pool he passed up driving the car well on into the complex and really out of sight. Basically he just came in the main entrance and parked first available spot on the main entrance, just past the pool.

He walked back and turned the corner around the pool fence into the parking lane along Texas, going toward Americana. He most likely would have done this anyway, but he pretty much had to, there is no sidewalk along Texas there.

Just a few steps gets him to the gate, another couple steps past the gate and to the palm tree. That's a point where basically the pool fence stops with an extension out to the parking lane. The palm tree is in a little corner between the gate and the extension to the parking lane.

That's sort of the last spot to look back before passing the end of the pool area and no longer being able to see the car because of the pool maintenance building with the surveillance camera aimed at the gate.

Not that he was looking back just to look at the car, in my opinion. It looks like he was covertly looking back at the last second to check if anyone was watching him, noticing him, in other words, a potential witness.

If he had not turned, he would have just walked out the entrance a few feet away, but there's no sidewalk. He was walking back towards Americana along the parking lane. In my opinion, his movements show he was very familiar with that complex.

rd

[Enrique Sparta]

Yeah, but I guess they thought it was impractical until they saw the sonar equipment being used to search for Brandy (but I don't recall that they found her though, either).

It could be that simple, or it could be that the investigation has given them insight into possibilities that are more than a shot in the dark, I don't know.

He parked Jennifer's car by coming into the complex off of Texas, immediately through a parking lane that extends right and left in front of apartments facing Texas, then past the pool in the first available spot. He walked back the way he came in, and curled around to the right around the pool fence into the parking lane that he passed up for parking coming in.

That's probably because parking along that lane would be somewhat visible to traffic on Texas, but by parking right past the pool he passed up driving the car well on into the complex and really out of sight. Basically he just came in the main entrance and parked first available spot on the main entrance, just past the pool.

He walked back and turned the corner around the pool fence into the parking lane along Texas, going toward Americana. He most likely would have done this anyway, but he pretty much had to, there is no sidewalk along Texas there.

Just a few steps gets him to the gate, another couple steps past the gate and to the palm tree. That's a point where basically the pool fence stops with an extension out to the parking lane. The palm tree is in a little corner between the gate and the extension to the parking lane.

That's sort of the last spot to look back before passing the end of the pool area and no longer being able to see the car because of the pool maintenance building with the surveillance camera aimed at the gate.

Not that he was looking back just to look at the car, in my opinion. It looks like he was covertly looking back at the last second to check if anyone was watching him, noticing him, in other words, a potential witness.

If he had not turned, he would have just walked out the entrance a few feet away, but there's no sidewalk. He was walking back towards Americana along the parking lane. In my opinion, his movements show he was very familiar with that complex.

rd


Interesting observation. But if he was familiar with that complex, why would he have parked where the camera would visibly show him dropping off the car? plus there may be other ways of leaving that complex. he walked right by the camera. Perhaps he didn't wanna drive near anybody's front door. Actually since it's an apartment complex, he'd be driving up to a lot of people's front doors. And their living room windows I imagine. At that time of day, it was a school day and work day so it wasn't likely anybody would be at the pool. But sitll plenty of people work at night. How lucky that nobody was lounging by the pool that day.

what's creepy is that he's probably reading all our posts!

[rd_jfc]

Several quick points, ES.

IIRC, the HOTG apartment complex was said to be sparsely populated at that time for some reason or another. I thought that he had specifically picked HOTG at that time for that reason. On the other hand, he didn't try very hard to park it further on back in a quieter out of sight spot. I might have misunderstood. The HOTG is well populated now.

Speaking of which, he parked Jennifer's car directly in front of the camera on the other side of the pool maintenance building. He then walked around in front of the other camera. He could not possibly be aware of the cameras.

For that matter, although many have said that's a sign of ignorance, I would never have known there were cameras unless I knew where to look for them. In my experience of living in many complexes, including currently in a similar complex in Florida, I have never known of surveillance cameras before. If they were there, I was as ignorant as this guy about it.

By familiar, I mean with layout, as in being involved with security and driving through it and elsewhere around that area. I would expect he would never have lived there. Of course, with security one would think he might have been more aware of surveillance cameras from past experience, but nevertheless, he was obviously aware of the layout but unaware of the cameras.

For example, if he had just driven further in before parking, and walked through the complex to Americana, the camera where he parked would have got only the briefest glimpse of the car driving past as he drove past where he parked.

To be honest with you, whatever trail has been left has been left, and knowing about part of the trail being a surveillance camera he walked in front of has been something he knew all along, but none of the rest of us did.

Now we do, and so do the police.

rd

[Truthful Lies]

rd's analysis is spot on. I see everything clearly. My monitor is perfect for viewing, in my opinion there is no question rd is correct in his findings....the badge is there, same size, same shape, the taser holster couldn't be more obvious, and the taser too. oh and the face, the dude's face is absolutely there, he turned towards the car, you can see the sunglasses, not sure about the goatee/chin strap but my guess is chin strap cause he's wearing a helmet. however he may also be wearing a beret. i think he may be some kind of military police, if not bike patrol, maybe a security guard of some kind. Taser, by the way, absolutely perfect weapon to immobilize somebody, quiet and efficient. I also believe he has military/police training.

UCFAlumni, what makes you think the suspect who drove and parked JK's car is not the one who abducted her? I mean we've all considered that theory and nobody's discounting it, but you seem confident that's the case. Why do you think the kidnapper is not the one who drove the car? Just wondering.



As for the Orlando cops not getting in on the case soon enough and they should've gotten involved the second JK was reported missing...that's ludicrous. Law enforcement got involved VERY quickly in the JK case. Especially for a missing adult, they got involved very fast. The large majority of missing people have not been abducted in any way, they either stayed out longer than expected, ran away, whatever....but usually it's voluntarily and people worry about their loved ones (understandably) If the cops treated every missing person report as an abduction the second they heard about it, they'd be spending just about all their time hunting down people who voluntarily left for a while, a long while, whatever. There wouldn't be nearly enough manpower to police the city in other matters. Keep in mind adults have every right to leave town when they want and are not required to phone home or whatever. They have to make sure it's an abduction case or an involuntary disappearance. In the case of JK, after some background info they quickly got on the case. However once her family called in, the Orlando PD couldn't just say &quot;OMG Shut down the city, an adult has been reported missing!&quot;

Notice how the family of JK has been very supportive of the Orlando PD's investigation into J's vanishing. There is certainly no shortage of victim's families who feel their local law enforcement has not done enough to help find their loved one. They usually will criticize LE publicly. Nothing like that at all from JK's family. Nope LE got involved quick and shouldn't be criticized for that.

Some mistakes they made....

1.should've released the video of the suspect right away with the photos. it was a dumb strategy to think that their trap was gonna work. Even if the kidnapper is a complete fool, he still wasn't gonna fall for that &quot;oh we just wanted to make it seem like he was just a person of interest and not a suspect&quot; yeah right. May not have mattered though. You can't really see anything. Plus we all knew the guy was the suspect anyway. Common sense. I know they can't reveal all their clues/evidence but I'm sure they have other stuff they aren't telling anybody. The video may have been more helpful shortly after JK's vanishing.

2.the height of the suspect. wrong wrong wrong. so dumb. the regulars on the JK case here blew that 5'3&quot;-5'5&quot; estimate outta the water. Stick a fork in that. It's a normal height man. Great work by you guys. I really stayed outta the questioning of the suspect's height but it's clear you guys were right. At first I thought the cops got it right. No. That's just bad police work.

3.the suspect photos without being blown up are not very good. they could've added some blown up photos next to the regular. This isn't only the cops fault. Whoever is putting those fliers up and driving that billboard around should have included enhanced photographs as well.

Other than that though, they've taken the case very seriously. not getting involved soon enough is not one of their errors. they just haven't gotten somebody to drop a dime yet. rd took the case in a whole new direction though. The RIGHT direction. He should get the million dollars if they find her alive. There's a reason why the state of Florida is checking out all tasers now....rd rd rd.


hey are you guys sure cops have to be fingerprinted before they get their badge or whatever? I didn't think that was the case.

In Florida, yes. I was going to just answer the phones on campus at the police department and they fingerprinted me, ran it through FBI, etc. Definitely YES! =) I also wonder if they checked out the uniform...most uniformed positions keep track of the number of uniforms given out, etc. Wonder if this person stole the uniform.

[SeriouslySearching]

Or what if you are misinterpreting the photos? Suppose the things you are seeing on the blow up perhaps are not what they seem as the badge, the holster, etc.? You can take a photo and make them fit...yes...but things are not always what they appear to be. This part bothers me a great deal. The human mind sees what it wants to see.

[rd_jfc]

when there are gaps. There no gaps in the taser holster, sunglasses, ring around his neck in all three pictures, and sheriff's shoulder patch in two pictures.

Quite solid, in fact.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

If you could actually read the word SHERIFF on the patch...you can say it is such. You can only speculate it is a patch and a sheriff's patch at that! There is nothing to define it other than a shape. This to me is pure speculation and not evidence of anything. The same with the rest of the "shadows" or perceived items you are saying with certainty are there.

[SeriouslySearching]

Speaking of which, he parked Jennifer's car directly in front of the camera on the other side of the pool maintenance building. He then walked around in front of the other camera. He could not possibly be aware of the cameras.

For that matter, although many have said that's a sign of ignorance, I would never have known there were cameras unless I knew where to look for them. In my experience of living in many complexes, including currently in a similar complex in Florida, I have never known of surveillance cameras before. If they were there, I was as ignorant as this guy about it.

By familiar, I mean with layout, as in being involved with security and driving through it and elsewhere around that area. I would expect he would never have lived there. Of course, with security one would think he might have been more aware of surveillance cameras from past experience, but nevertheless, he was obviously aware of the layout but unaware of the cameras.


rd

Uhm...or he could have just read the big sign to know they had cameras.

I don't recall anyone saying HOTG was "sparsely populated" at the time. Defnitely, Mosaic was...but they called HOTG a hotbed of drug activity and crime, as I remember.

[CatLynnette]

Regarding the suspect's photos, as taken by the surveillance cameras at the Huntington On The Green Condominiums, a person can zoom in/enlarge or lighten/darken the photos in an attempt to see more detail. Anything more than this that is done to the photos is actually altering the photos and that is something that should not happen because it is misleading and wrong.

Just My Own Honest Opinion

[docwho3]

The suspect is a man,. . .
Not entirely sure that is so from the pics I have seen released to the public.

. . . I didn't see anything else posted that suggested why you said wife other than the official height estimate.

rd I said &quot;wife&quot; in my post because the very poor quality image of the POI has been reported that so far no one has been able to determine for certan whether it is female or male and the official height estimate puts the height well inside the height range for a female.

Of course I have not seen any pics released that for sure showed a face image from close enough distance that could be worked with successfully without ending up with false image characteristecs added in due to the processing.
(Howevever I am not trying to knock your pic renderings as I have not yet seen them or examined the raw file data.)

And it is possible that whoever took J.K. had his wife or girlfriend drop off the car. So, while I have no preference as to which sex of person is in the pic of the POI I just felt it would be best not to overlook the wife of a suspected perp when thinking of the pic of the POI unless or until a better quality pic of the POI is released that shows for sure that the POI was a male.

[Enrique Sparta]

In Florida, yes. I was going to just answer the phones on campus at the police department and they fingerprinted me, ran it through FBI, etc. Definitely YES! =) I also wonder if they checked out the uniform...most uniformed positions keep track of the number of uniforms given out, etc. Wonder if this person stole the uniform.

Ok thanks Truthful Lies. And good point about keeping track of uniforms being given out.

[reportertype]

Regarding the suspect's photos, as taken by the surveillance cameras at the Huntington On The Green Condominiums, a person can zoom in/enlarge or lighten/darken the photos in an attempt to see more detail. Anything more than this that is done to the photos is actually altering the photos and that is something that should not happen because it is misleading and wrong.

Just My Own Honest Opinion

I agree.

I've never heard of any law enforcement agency not fingerprinting employees.

[Enrique Sparta]

I doubt the suspect left any fingerprints in the car.

[leftcoast]

I doubt the suspect left any fingerprints in the car.

I would be very surprised if the POI left prints or DNA in that car.

Whether or not the pOI is a cop, is still open to debate. Obviously, it is unlikely, given the laws of probability.

However, someone impersonating a cop, or being a rental cop, is much more likely.

Didn't JK's complex have rental cops, who would know her every move?

Not to mention the security at the mall.

I don't know about everyone else, but, some of those rental cops are worse than the criminals. Many of them are rental cops, because the cities wouldn't hire them for various reasons.

As for the POI, I think OPD is making this case 100 times harder to solve than it should be.

I've seen perfect crimes, and this isn't one of them. Perfect crimes don't begin with the POI being captured on film parking a missing woman's car.

There is only one way to solve this case. It is called, good old detective work. Get out to HOTG, re-measure the height, do re-enactments, re-interview the Kesse's, Jk's friends, neighbors, etc. I seriously doubt this POI is some stranger. He is somehow connected to Mosaic, and the 24th was not the first time this dirtbag saw JK. IMO.

A good detective could solve this case by working it full time in 3 months or less.

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[rd_jfc]

I agree, left. My opinion is that the new federal investigation of Orange County Sheriff's Department use of tasers is doing just that. They've been at it a month. I hope they come though in next couple of months.


Regarding the suspect's photos, as taken by the surveillance cameras at the Huntington On The Green Condominiums, a person can zoom in/enlarge or lighten/darken the photos in an attempt to see more detail. Anything more than this that is done to the photos is actually altering the photos and that is something that should not happen because it is misleading and wrong.

Just My Own Honest Opinion


I agree, and of course that's all I did. Anything that would distort the photo is misleading.

It's simply of matter of bringing out the detail that is there, not creating detail that isn't there.

rd

[CaliKid]

I think the FBI needs to set up seminars for LE in which they go over basic procedures to follow when someone goes missing. Unfortunately, I get the feeling that many of the smaller LE departments who don't deal much with abductions/murders tend to botch it at the very beginnning, and it's nearly impossible to go back and start over when you didn't follow the evidence in the first place.

[harleysnana]

when there are gaps. There no gaps in the taser holster, sunglasses, ring around his neck in all three pictures, and sheriff's shoulder patch in two pictures.

Quite solid, in fact.

rd

Is there anyway you could post a link to the pictures for those
of us who are just catching up?
TIA!:blowkiss:

[rd_jfc]

Absolutely. It's:

Blowup of Jennifer Kesse person of interest / suspect (http://www.justiceforchandra.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3033)

I have appreciated (most :D ) of the feedback to date, and have made many improvements to the presentation from them, so comments and insight are welcome.

Believe me, nobody was as stunned as I was to keep tripping over these features when all I started out to do was try to figure out what kind of hat the suspect was wearing.

I have a link with the pictures of my thougts as I went along. You can see that I started out thinking it was a woman's or man's hair pulled into a bun, then perhaps a bike messenger.

It was when I was looking for the messenger delivery bag that I found the taser holster. That was scary enough. I had no idea that I would find much more.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't find a face...I find a palm tree. Where is this stuff coming from?

[Enrique Sparta]

I see his face quite clearly. wearing sunglasses...and he's either got a goatee or that's the chin strap to his bike helmet.

[drumstick]

Thanks rd, for your time and effort!

Anything that helps move this case along and keep it on everyone's mind is a good thing to me!

So, I take it that your theory about the suspect is that this person is somehow in law enforcement?

I'm open for any theory. That's what makes this forum so great.
People sharing ideas and information in one place where you could be in a hot tub in Ireland and I could be in a hotel room in Canada or in my own hot tub with a laptop right next door to you. Who knows? :D

Computers are a great tool. FDLE has some of the finest. I would imagine that if there's a way to identify this suspect from the surveillance pics, they are all over it. At the same time they need help from the public too.


This young woman needs to be found.
We have enough cold cases in this State already and I for one would like to know "why" in this great computer age we can't find anybody?

Unless we have a confession with a latitude and longitude, we can't seem to find our own car, much less the missing. Why is that?
Are we so dependent on machines to do our jobs that we forgot how to do it without them? Where's our common sense?

Back to the basics. :confused:

A beautiful, intelligent, safety minded, young lady living in an upscale, nearly uninhabited condo complex disappears after getting ready for work.
She worried about the maintenance workers where she lived for two short months, according to her family.
One day after returning home with her boyfriend from a short Caribbean vacation she is never seen or heard from again.
She has a long distance relationship for a year. Boyfriend ruled out.
In her possession she has a friend's cell phone left behind after a get-together in her condo by her brother and long time family friends while she was away.
Her car turns up one mile away parked by an unknown person.
Surveillance video is time stamped at around noon the day she disappeared, although the video appears to be taken in the dark.

What did I forget?

~

[rd_jfc]

If you look at the full third photo and think of the fence as a spreadsheet, but counting over from the right side toward the left (since he's close to the right side), the first three columns are lined up with the trunk of the car.

The fourth column over is the palm tree.

The fifth column over is the suspect.

From a distance, one would expect he is continuing to walk away and that the palm tree obscures his face as rhe posts do in photos one and two.

However, I cut out sections 4, 5, and 6, rows 2 and 3, where's he's centered in column 5.

I blew it up, just the way it is right now, and saw nothing. But as I was looking in column 5, row 3 at his back trying to read what was on his shirt, I suddenly found myself looking at his face with sunglasses, and he was looking back! It was an extremly eerie moment, let me tell you.

He had looked back, and what has been assumed to be the back of his head yet again is his face. It is fully toward the camera, so that his sunglasses are looking right at you.

The front of the helmet is seen, and what appears to be a chinstrap for the helmet. I initially thought he looked like a French beatnik, with sunglasses, goatee, and beret, and perhaps that is still the case.

But it looks like helmet and chinstrap to me, rather than beret and goatee.

The ring around is neck is quite visible below the chinstrap, which is remarkable. It is large in the other two photos, but quite visible in the middle of his neck, with whitened skin above and below visible in photo two.

Initially I thought the sheriff's patch was on his back. When I found his face, I realized it was a shoulder patch. That's when I called the police. That was several weeks ago.

rd

edited: sorry drumstick, posted while you did. I have no interest or intention of diverting the topic from the basics, so just skip over this and carry on, except anyone who was not able to see the face, which is quite clear, yet I didn't see it at first either, so this is just some guidelines to orient yourself to know where to look.

[snarkymalarkey]

Sorry if this was mentioned. I see the black shape on his back lower neck, and I took it as a tattoo. I figured the individual was a bicyclist from the get-go because his pant leg is "pegged".. which is what I do, when I don't want my pant leg shredded from the bike. I also can see some strap around his thigh... all without the image being increased in size...

Now as for the other items you see, the badge, and the face looking back... i'm havng a harder time seeing that. Can you circle the areas on the actual blow up to focus on? I feel like i'm staring at one of those weird posters in the mall that never worked for me.

[rd_jfc]

If you get a chance to look at the closeups of the ring around his neck (link on previous page), what are your thoughts?

It might still look like a tattoo closeup, but it looks like a bruise (from self strangulation or something related to the assault) to me.

rd

[philamena]

I think you've put a lot of time and effort into your photograph enlargements and theories and I appreciate them. But I'm afraid I don't see a biker's hat, nor the patch and definitely not a stun gun.

[CatLynnette]

I don't find a face...I find a palm tree. Where is this stuff coming from?


I visited Huntington On The Green with my husband a few times after Jennifer went missing. You are correct, it is a palm tree. The face of the suspect is not shown in any of the surveillance photos released to the public.

[Myserty64]

SS are you saying you can't even see the scars from two biopsies the suspect has had for suspected skin cancer lesions. One is just below the right eye and the other is adjacent to the right nostril.

Also the label on his shirt says 'made in China'.

His sunglasses are a cheap no brand type usually made in Mexico.

[CatLynnette]

For the best photos of the suspect go to the official Jennifer Kesse web site:

http://jenniferkesse.com/person-of-interest.htm

and

http://jenniferkesse.com/aerial.htm



The suspect surveillance video is found here:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/05/the_new_video_i.html

[UM&AMWfan]

SS are you saying you can't even see the scars from two biopsies the suspect has had for suspected skin cancer lesions. One is just below the right eye and the other is adjacent to the right nostril.

Also the label on his shirt says 'made in China'.

His sunglasses are a cheap no brand type usually made in Mexico.

What??

You can't distinguish all that from those low quality photos.

[Truthful Lies]

I wonder....the white shirt and khakis look like even an informal uniform. A lot of guys wear an undershirt and take off their work shirt when they leave (or don't want to be identified). I think they should check the area stores around them and see what places require khaki pants...just an idea....like Target for instance.

[leftcoast]

RD: Thanks for all your efforts on the photo's in this case.

I would hope that if the circumstances were reversed, that other's would be taking the time and effort, in order to help you or your loved one's in a similar situation.

At the same time, I must admit, I don't see everything that you do.

However, I am wise enough to know, that maybe this can be explained by technology.

Therefore, I am going to classify the findings of a holster, badge, and red mark around the neckline, as "possible", until I receive more information to verify the findings, or to eliminate this possibility.

I would urge other's to use caution before shooting down someone's work. It is possible, that these photo's, are only visible on a certain type of monitor, or that it requires certain software.

Hopefully, one day, we will be able to identify the POI, and bring JK home alive.

If other's in the Orlando area, put in the time and effort of RD, I have no doubt that this mystery will be solved, sooner, than later.

I hope that other's remember that RD is doing this out of the goodness of his heart, and is spending time to try and assist to find a woman that he has never met. Given this, I think his efforts should be applauded, not put down. Imagine our surprise, if someday, RD's work is proven by LE, and the embarassment of those who slammed his work.

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[MagicRose99]

SS are you saying you can't even see the scars from two biopsies the suspect has had for suspected skin cancer lesions. One is just below the right eye and the other is adjacent to the right nostril.

Also the label on his shirt says 'made in China'.

His sunglasses are a cheap no brand type usually made in Mexico.

LOL! I agree... I think that if there was anything in those pictures to "see", LE would see it (them) and follow up on what they could. I'm sure they or the FBI has a program that can enhance those pictures to the best they can be... and that they have used it and have seen what they can see.

[rd_jfc]

Sorry if this was mentioned. I see the black shape on his back lower neck, and I took it as a tattoo. I figured the individual was a bicyclist from the get-go because his pant leg is "pegged".. which is what I do, when I don't want my pant leg shredded from the bike. I also can see some strap around his thigh... all without the image being increased in size...

Now as for the other items you see, the badge, and the face looking back... i'm havng a harder time seeing that. Can you circle the areas on the actual blow up to focus on? I feel like i'm staring at one of those weird posters in the mall that never worked for me.

I don't want to belabor the point to the detriment of those it offends, but I'll post any help I can here or via PM.

I guess the third picture is giving people fits. Not sure why. The full third photo is labelled "third still with suspect's face similar to Kelsey Smith suspect with sunglasses and goatee and darkened image highlighting sheriff's deputy badge shoulder patch ". His white shirt and head is visible to the left of the palm tree just below the car.

The screen should be at 1024 x 768, instructions I've posted at the top of the blowups page. Higher resolutions won't be as helpful. Arrow down just a little so the top of the fence is at the top of the screen. That brings a blown up cutout below it up into view. You should be able to see the top fence row in the blow up.

The suspect's head is in the center fence opening, completely filling the right side of the opening along the fence post. his white shirt extends across the bottom of the opening.

Starting at the upper right corner of the opening, going down we see the black hat, some forehead, the sunglasses as if looking directly at a pair of sunglasses slightly from an angle to the right, his nose and mouth and quite frankly is entire face profile below the sunglasses, a dark chinstrap or goatee on his chin, his white neck, then a solid line across the front of his neck which is the bruise or tattoo seen in photos one and two from the side. Then another area of neck below that, then his white shirt.

The palm tree completely obscures the fence opening to the right of that.

Arrowing down further below his head we see an elongated fence opening. His upper body with white shirt completely fills it.

The sheriiffs shoulder patch is centered at upper part of the opening. It is a solid sheriff's badge pattern. (No, I cannot make out the word SHERIFF on it :)

I did not originally find the sheriffs patch this way. Originally I darkened the image to make out patterns, and that darkened puctire is below this one and the Kelsey Smith suspect photo. The darkened image is again in the upper center of the elongated fence opening, and you can see the outline of the sheriff's shoulder patch better when it's darkened.

The shoulder patch is confirmed in photo one, but best seen on a 15" LCD monitor.

Hope that helps!

rd

[rd_jfc]

LOL! I agree... I think that if there was anything in those pictures to "see", LE would see it (them) and follow up on what they could. I'm sure they or the FBI has a program that can enhance those pictures to the best they can be... and that they have used it and have seen what they can see.

I also originally said the same thing about the 5'3" to 5'5" height estimate. Check my first post or so in an earlier thread. I said I couldn't believe both the Orlando police and FBI could screw up something something so fundamental. The others here showed it was quite wrong.

Just one last thing. I called this in to the police when I found it, I have a confirmation number and I posted it in my thoughts while working on this, and a massive first ever of its kind investigation of the Orange County Sheriffs Department use of taser guns, accounting for every use of them, was announced the next day, in the Tuesday newspaper for Monday's announcement. I called the police on Sunday.

It was referred to again just the other day. The Orlando Sentinel says they refuse to say what triggered the investigation. As I had emailed Jogn Cutter the Orlando Sentinel before I called the police, before I found the sheriffs patch, they know, of course, but the feds aren't saying just yet so that's what there is to report.

Have to get off to work. Thanks for the words, left. Sorry you can't see everything yet. I will try to help if I can.

regards,
rd

[Truthful Lies]

Rd, I'm putting your contact information in a legal document in case anything ever happens to me..I want you looking for me with access to ALL information [all of you are awesome...] =)

[UCFAlumni2002]

Anything is possible for sure. Some of us can see what you are seeing and some of us can't. It's as simple as that. I do hope that LE is looking into it nonetheless.

There are a lot of people in Orlando and from around Florida who have been really involved in this case from the beginning and want Jenn brought home- good or bad. She deserves that. I do agree that all LE's need to get on the same page and treat every single person as a missing person until proven otherwise. Look at the time wasted on Kelly Nolan. Because of her past, a DUI charge, LE did not immediately think she was in danger. Why can't LE listen to people first and then worry about the rest later? If she had regular contact with family and friends, then that's a red flag when she doesn't. Treat it like a missing person rather then a runaway. LE needs to get on the ball all over America. Maybe then we'll find people.

[Beyond Belief]

Just a suggestion on the line around the neck, which I see without any issue. If the person is wearing sunglasses which I would expect, perhaps it is a croakie, leash, string, whatever you want to call it, attached to the glasses.

[CatLynnette]

LOL! I agree... I think that if there was anything in those pictures to "see", LE would see it (them) and follow up on what they could. I'm sure they or the FBI has a program that can enhance those pictures to the best they can be... and that they have used it and have seen what they can see.


You are exactly correct.


Go To Link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273616,00.html

Quotes from On The Record with Greta Van Susteren, May 18, 2007:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: "All right. The video that you're now releasing today, is it in any way enhanced so that you can see the person's face?"

SGT. BARBARA JONES, ORLANDO POLICE DEPARTMENT: "We did look at the video and we did try to get it to the best quality that we could. The detectives looked at it very closely... "

AND

Go to Link:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/05/questions_and_a_1.html

Quote from OrlandoSentinel.com Questions and answers in the Kesse case, May 17, 2007:

"Police did work with experts to enhance the images, but despite all the cool stuff we see in CSI, this is -- as far as we know -- the best we get..."

[rd_jfc]

Yes, CatLynette, the long range shots are really bad and I didn't try to do anything with it. I had seen the quote from a graphics specialist the poilce retained to determine what was on the head in the photos at the gate, and they said they think it's a hat, they weren't sure. You should quote that, too.

This is what it is. It won't go away because someone doesn't believe it's there because the police didn't find it.

Quite frankly, it's hard to find. But once found, it's irrefutable. It's there.

Rd, I'm putting your contact information in a legal document in case anything ever happens to me..I want you looking for me with access to ALL information [all of you are awesome...] =)

I think internet sleuthers are an awesome bunch. I dearly hope no one has to look for you or me, but thanks. :)

rd

[MagicRose99]

You are exactly correct.


Go To Link:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,273616,00.html

Quotes from On The Record with Greta Van Susteren, May 18, 2007:

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: "All right. The video that you're now releasing today, is it in any way enhanced so that you can see the person's face?"

SGT. BARBARA JONES, ORLANDO POLICE DEPARTMENT: "We did look at the video and we did try to get it to the best quality that we could. The detectives looked at it very closely... "

AND

Go to Link:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_local_orlandocrime/2007/05/questions_and_a_1.html

Quote from OrlandoSentinel.com Questions and answers in the Kesse case, May 17, 2007:

"Police did work with experts to enhance the images, but despite all the cool stuff we see in CSI, this is -- as far as we know -- the best we get..."

Thanks, Cat! LE really aren't as dumb or as lax as some want to believe... just because they don't always publicize all they do, doesn't mean they're not doing it...

[rd_jfc]

Just to clarify, I never said anything like that, and called the police immediately with what I found. If they already knew it and don't need it, that's fine. They were not offended. I'm not sure why you are.

rd

[drumstick]

rd,

Thank you for calling it in.
I took another look at the third frame and I see what you're saying about his face.

Check your PM.
thanks~

[UCFAlumni2002]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2004/chevrolet/malibu/specifications/

overall height (inches): 57.5
Jenn's car was 4 ft 8 inches approx.

This would mean that the poi being 5'3-5'5 could be a possibility. I wouldn't discount the fact that the poi/suspect is taller, but theoretically the poi could be the height mentioned by LE. I'm going to review the video again and agonizingly starte at the photos AGAIN to see if I can see the face.

rd- I do appreciate the work you are doing to try and help Jenn and am happy you called this into LE as maybe they are looking at it all over again. Jenn has been missing for 77 weeks now and needs to be found.

I'm still not completely convinced on the taser holster, sheriff's badge, etc. but I am starting to see a face..

[docwho3]

So, aside from the rendered pics discussion . . . . has anyone seen a pic of the perps wife in this case? I am curious to see if she even comes close in build to the POI publicly released pic. And when or if they show him and his family on the news at his court appearances I am curious to see if any of the family or friends in court match.

". . .FHP troopers say 54-year-old Marcus Young apologized for kidnapping a woman. . ."
http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/article.aspx?storyid=58907

[leftcoast]

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/2004/chevrolet/malibu/specifications/

overall height (inches): 57.5
Jenn's car was 4 ft 8 inches approx.

This would mean that the poi being 5'3-5'5 could be a possibility. I wouldn't discount the fact that the poi/suspect is taller, but theoretically the poi could be the height mentioned by LE. I'm going to review the video again and agonizingly starte at the photos AGAIN to see if I can see the face.

rd- I do appreciate the work you are doing to try and help Jenn and am happy you called this into LE as maybe they are looking at it all over again. Jenn has been missing for 77 weeks now and needs to be found.

I'm still not completely convinced on the taser holster, sheriff's badge, etc. but I am starting to see a face..

UCF:

Don't you agree that the only way to settle issue regarding the height, is to go back out to HOTG, and do some re-enactments.

Have people of different heights, get out of a chevy Malibu, so the same walk as the POI, and stroll past the pool gate.

Then, blow up the photo's, and compare the pictures with the one's released to the public right after JK disappeared.

I think the evidence of the POI next to JK's car is going to be tough to judge, since the camera is so far away.

I think the best bet is the use comparisons of the camera at the pool gate.

I think it, and the photo of the POI next to the tree, will definitely suggest the POI is taller than 5"4.

However, unless, we go back out and do experiments, we'll never know.

Since this is such a huge clue, I just don't understand why LE isn't using this device.

show me the downside?

Not only that, but, we can test for the color of clothing, the headgear, to see if writing on shirts shows up, test different types of shoes, and also if the POI is more likely a man, or woman, based on photo's.

IMO, when all is said and done, I think the POI will turn out to be male, 25ish, 5"8-6ft, 160, with brown or dirty blonde hair, cut like a surfer's in back.

Plus, we can have the "model" look back at the camera in the third photo by the tree, and see if it is distinguishable on film, or if it is an optical illusion.

Something else, is to see if the POI is carrying a duffel bag, or envelope, ipod, or anything in his hands, if it shows up on the photo's.

Another item to look out for, is to get a better feel of the pants, are they blue jeans, sweats, or do they just appear to be high on the POI due to the angle of the camera.

I can think of countless items that can be better understood by spending just a few hours at HOTG. Not to mention, checking the clocks on the camera, to see if LE does have it right, since it does appear the video is awful dark for a daytime shot.

Any one of these clues, could just break this case open. IMO

Just my opinion

left

[UCFAlumni2002]

I wonder if LE is just holding back that info. It's soooo frustrating... it drives me batty. I wouldn't rule out 5'8 but if so, that's a whole foot taller then her car. I don't know... the height I don't think is totally off... just a smidge or so.

I truly don't think HOTG really wants people parading around there doing all types of measurements, but it might be something you want to email LE and see if they respond... :)

[rd_jfc]

I don't know anything about the height compared to the car, because quite frankly my little video thing that comes up for that is next to worthless, but the height compared to the tree is practically gold. He is 5'9" to 5"11" compared to being back a little from that 7' tree, no doubt.

I do not understand the camera time at all. Unless I'm missing something, the time in both photo one and photo two is 28 seconds, and photo three is 29 seconds.

The being off by one hour thing is commonplace, but with seconds counting down like that, were the hours accurate?

rd

[rd_jfc]

Just a suggestion on the line around the neck, which I see without any issue. If the person is wearing sunglasses which I would expect, perhaps it is a croakie, leash, string, whatever you want to call it, attached to the glasses.

It is just too doggone straight and wide to be something like that, but not dark enough to be solid leather or something. Being straight across his throat in photo three just rules out anything that droops like a leash or string.

rd

[Beyond Belief]

It is just too doggone straight and wide to be something like that, but not dark enough to be solid leather or something. Being straight across his throat in photo three just rules out anything that droops like a leash or string.

rd
Please provide the photo showing it across the throat, I haven't seen anything showing a throat.

[rd_jfc]

Hi BB, I've been posting all those details last few pages, gave the link again a couple of pages back. I gave very detailed instructions on looking at his face in photo three on previous page, which includes the line across his throat.

I can provide any info you want, but don't want people to have to wade through anything twice that I've already posted.

regards,
rd

[Beyond Belief]

Hi BB, I've been posting all those details last few pages, gave the link again a couple of pages back. I gave very detailed instructions on looking at his face in photo three on previous page, which includes the line across his throat.

I can provide any info you want, but don't want people to have to wade through anything twice that I've already posted.

regards,
rd
Gotcha. Have you been seeing faint double images like you would get with ur camera when taking action pictures?

[rd_jfc]

Yes, it's confusing. For example, the county sheriff's shoulder patch overlaps the logo on the front of the jersey in photo one, apparently in that case as he swung his arm.

I think that's the main case of time lapse blur I saw. Did you see another?

rd

[Beyond Belief]

Yes, it's confusing. For example, the county sheriff's shoulder patch overlaps the logo on the front of the jersey in photo one, apparently in that case as he swung his arm.

I think that's the main case of time lapse blur I saw. Did you see another?

rd
second photo. between post and back of head. faint image of profile.
post/slight image/back of head. very faint.

[leftcoast]

I truly don't think HOTG really wants people parading around there doing all types of measurements, but it might be something you want to email LE and see if they respond... :)

I'll tell ya, that I live much too far away to consider a flight down to HOTG just to measure.

However, if I was an Orlando resident, and I thought there was a chance the re-enactment could somehow assist in finding JK alive, or the dirtbag POI, I would have no problem going down to HOTG, and either asking permission, or doing it anyway, or pretending to be interested in renting an apartment at HOTG.

BTW, all it takes is a couple of quick walk-bys, past the camera, slip the security guard a 20.00, in exchange for the tape of the walk-by's. I'll tell ya, if it was my daughter, or family member, and I felt as strongly as I do, I would have no problem asking HOTG for permission. Plus, HOTG, has done a wonderful job assisting LE in this case, and keeping the video secret. I can't imagine them telling the Kesse's "no".

But, from what I've heard, the Kesse's seem content that the POI is in fact 5"4. I sure wish the Kesse's would at least read the board's, and consider some of the idea's. There must be a reason why this case is cold, and it isn't from lack of effort. So, some assumption, or some error, must have been made. OR, it is possible the POI is under surveillance, but LE doesn't have enough evidence, but, judging by Drew's words via the last interview, I don't think that is the case.

left

[Enrique Sparta]

rd has already taken a trip to all the places involved in the JK disappearance.

2 days after rd reported his findings to law enforcement, the Department of Justice announced an investigation into taser use by authorities. Coincidence? I think not.

5'4" is way off. You guys have convinced me. rd's analysis sealed the deal.

-it's a cop, rent-a-cop, security guard, or military authority. or it's somebody posing as one.

-face is visible. wearing sun glasses and probably helmet with chin strip but might be some kind of hat, beret perhaps, and goatee. absolutely 100% the the dude turned towards the car revealing his face. not really clear mind you but you can see it's a man wearing sunglasses.

-taser and taser holster clearly visible. strap visible on thigh, pants like bike rider, perhaps cammo pants.

-shoulder patch same exact shape and size as orange county police. but can't read the writing.

-He's got something around his neck or on his neck but I am stumped on that one. Can't think of anything. Maybe bruising.

you really just need to blow up the pictures yourself and all the stuff rd posted is there. he just cut out the sides on certain parts of the pics, nothing wrong with that, just focusing on what needs to be seen, the person. no altering of the photographs was done. i tried myself, blew up the photos a great deal, everything was clear. the original photos suck, they show nothing. the moving billboard thing should have the blown up photos. the news should've done an analysis segment on the photos. that's pretty damn sad if the cops couldn't find anything in the photos. actually they could, that's why rd triggered an investigation into the use of tasers. oh and the height? awful. guy is about 5'10" I know at first I was a little skeptical just cause I thought the police would get the height right but nope. websleuthers set them straight. I applaud left, myserty, rd, and all the rest for that. and rd for breaking open the case with those seemingly useless photos. well done sir.

[SeriouslySearching]

If the case has been broken wide open...I haven't seen it yet. I will be glad to applaud RD when it is tho.

The Dept. of Justice looking into use of tasers doesn't seem to reflect they are looking into Jenn's case at all. So what are you basing those assumptions on?

RD, you should send your theories and photos to a local news outlet there and let them run with it...if you want. See what can come of it. It can only do one of two things...complicate the case further or help solve it. Either way, this case is going to remain in limbo until they get further evidence or a good solid lead on the perp.

[leftcoast]

rd has already taken a trip to all the places involved in the JK disappearance.

Yes, I know. CAt and her husband have been there as well.

Regardless, a video tape, and photo's blown up of an averge size man walking in the same path as the POI will do "wonders" for our case.

2 days after rd reported his findings to law enforcement, the Department of Justice announced an investigation into taser use by authorities. Coincidence? I think not.

That would be nice if RD has been the catalyst of the investigation.

5'4" is way off. You guys have convinced me. rd's analysis sealed the deal.

Enrique, I've been arguing for over a year about the height, and was always outnumbered, and had no back-up, until a few months ago.

Cat and her husband have been to HOTG, and along with RD, who has been at HOTG, both agree the height is wrong. POI is closer to 5"10.

-it's a cop, rent-a-cop, security guard, or military authority. or it's somebody posing as one.

AS you know, I don't see the badge, neckline, or taser on my computer.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if the POI used a "trick" to catch JK off guard. AS you know, I've always been suspicious of the security guards at HOTG, and the Mall. We need to be cautious, and make sure we don't get tunnel vision, and we must consider other options, until an arrest is made, or a better argument is made in either direction. imo

He's got something around his neck or on his neck but I am stumped on that one. Can't think of anything. Maybe bruising.

Personally, I can't see it on my computer.

Why can't it be a tatoo, or those skiny ropes the young kids wear around their wrists and necks for jewelry.

I know that you and RD are convinced of the patch, taser, neck, and sunglass evidence.

That is part of the reason why I want an experiment done at HOTG.

If we send out a "model", average height guy, and have him walk past the camera's, wearing a outfit without patches, tasers, and glasses, and never looking back when he nears the palm tree and

then

Do the same experiment, with someone wearing taser, patches, glasses, and then turning around at the palm tree to take notice of the car,

Will these two different video's show such items are visible with the HOTG camera's. IT will be proven, one way or another, if such items are visible, or if it is an optical illusion, or some other explanation.

:twocents:

left

[Truthful Lies]

I will be in Orlando within the next month...If someone wants to provide detailed instructions on the shots they want, I'd be happy to do it. I'm 5'7 (girl) but I could probably convince my husband to do it (6'1). We'll both do it.

[rd_jfc]

That sounds good. What is really needed is the HOTG camera output of you walking by, if it could be arranged to be given to you.

A couple of quick notes. Thanks for that confirmation Enrique. I wanted to clarify that the federal investigation was announced the next day, on Monday, after I called this in to the police on Sunday. The news hit the Tuesday newspaper.

This is not a minor thing. It is an unprecedented, massive investigation of the Orange County Sheriff's Department, accounting for every use of the taser. They would only say that it is a highly sensitive investigation and they won't have anything else to say about it until complete. They won't say what triggered the investigation.

Deputies were being questioned on Monday, the day it was announced, the Orlando Sentinel reported. I have the link and blurbs posted in the link with the blowups.

I also sent the information to the Orlando Sentinel before calling the police. They have the info. I dount they will report on this unless and until the police comment on it, and I doubt the police will comment on it until they have a murder case.

I think it won't hurt to look at what they have provided in the meantime, though.

rd

P.S. I just took a look at photo three on my 15" LCD monitor and you can see his face and sunglasses in the released photo with the naked eye.

[Truthful Lies]

Rd, Have you had any contact with HOTG administration? Do you think I should call ahead and see what I can arrange or try talking to them once I get there? Worst comes to worst, we can bring a ladder and get my hubby to hold the camera next to the security camera. We don't have anything that looks like a taser, but we'll fashion something to put it in "place".

[Beyond Belief]

Just to see how messed up a photo can become. Using a paint brush, you never know what will show up. This actually frightened me, even tho I know its NOT REAL. That is if you can actually see it. I was looking for a double image.
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/show/?action=view&current=interesting.jpg#

[UCFAlumni2002]

HOTG does not have a security guard. Yes they have the cameras but there is no security guard there. You probably would have to go through the HOTG HOA.

[rd_jfc]

second photo. between post and back of head. faint image of profile.
post/slight image/back of head. very faint.

No, I took a look and that is a pattern that is also present in the fence gaps on to the left of that.

Basically what is seen through those fence gaps is the grass on the other side of the drive. As you look through the gaps to the left of his head in that photo, that is all grass and patterns from it.

The one face shot we have is helmet, sunglasses, face, chinstrap, and ring around his neck, also seen in photos one and two.

rd

[rd_jfc]

Just to see how messed up a photo can become. Using a paint brush, you never know what will show up. This actually frightened me, even tho I know its NOT REAL. That is if you can actually see it. I was looking for a double image.
http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/Kafthy/show/?action=view&current=interesting.jpg#

I just wanted to emphasize that I only enlarged and adjust brightness, contrast, and gamma correction settings to have an enhanced but unaltered image.

I say this because several people have mentioned that altering the image would be terribly misleading, and of course they're right.

But those ghostly images are frightening! :)

rd

[Beyond Belief]

I just wanted to emphasize that I only enlarged and adjust brightness, contrast, and gamma correction settings to have an enhanced but unaltered image.

I say this because several people have mentioned that altering the image would be terribly misleading, and of course they're right.

But those ghostly images are frightening! :)

rd
I use paint shop also. In the early days of the investigation we were seeing the images that seemed to spead across the photos between the bars. We dismissed what we saw because of criticism, don't stop what your doing.;)

[rd_jfc]

Rd, Have you had any contact with HOTG administration? Do you think I should call ahead and see what I can arrange or try talking to them once I get there? Worst comes to worst, we can bring a ladder and get my hubby to hold the camera next to the security camera. We don't have anything that looks like a taser, but we'll fashion something to put it in "place".

No, I haven't. As UCF said, there is no security guard and I walked around the pool fence. *However* :), there were children playing in the pool and adults nearby watching, and no way I could go in the pool area if I wanted to without scaring people. I didn't have a ladder anyway, or a camera, so nothing I could do or see from there anyway.

I think the camera has to be the HOTG camera. Another with a different focus would not provide the right answer. I dearly wish HOTG administration could be helpful in this by providing a copy or stills of a test, but it will take some sweet talking.

I haven't seen a lot of that here :D but maybe you can do it. :)

rd

[rd_jfc]

I use paint shop also. In the early days of the investigation we were seeing the images that seemed to spead across the photos between the bars. We dismissed what we saw because of criticism, don't stop what your doing.;)

You got it. And your work gave me a running start.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

I just wanted to emphasize that I only enlarged and adjust brightness, contrast, and gamma correction settings to have an enhanced but unaltered image.

I say this because several people have mentioned that altering the image would be terribly misleading, and of course they're right.

But those ghostly images are frightening! :)

rd
I am very familiar with enhancing images. To me this can result in an altered image quite easily. To manipulate it in this manner can certainly cause an image to show variations in shadows, color, markings, which are not really present to appear. I don't think anything except the enlargement should be attempted on those photos and considered to be "true" representations of such. You can quickly create "ghostly images" indicating a false positive.

[rd_jfc]

I am very familiar with enhancing images. To me this can result in an altered image quite easily. To manipulate it in this manner can certainly cause an image to show variations in shadows, color, markings, which are not really present to appear. I don't think anything except the enlargement should be attempted on those photos and considered to be "true" representations of such. You can quickly create "ghostly images" indicating a false positive.

Not true. You can't create something from nothing. I wrote scanner drivers and graphics enhancement programs for the most widely used DOS paint program in its day, PC Paintbrush. You start with pixels, you don't dream them up.

These features are all solid representations, not ghostly images. This is not squint and click your heels three times and wish you see something, and they are there for all to see.

It's unfortunate that some who would like to take a look can't see it with their computer/browser setups, but it's not an interpretation of shadows or whatever. Each feature is solid and unbroken, and unmistakable.

A gamma correction of 1.4 was necessary on some images, brightness on others, darkness for analysis.

What is seen is seen in all enlarged images, but better with setting adjustments.

rd

[leftcoast]

RD:

Anyway you can tell us the color of the pants or shirt the POI is wearing?

Is there anyway to distinguish colors, or can you experiment with differnent colors to see which show up dark, and light?

Just thinking out loud.

But, if we knew the color of the pOI's clothing, it would be a huge break, imo

keep up the good work

left

[leftcoast]

I will be in Orlando within the next month...If someone wants to provide detailed instructions on the shots they want, I'd be happy to do it. I'm 5'7 (girl) but I could probably convince my husband to do it (6'1). We'll both do it.

T.L.

First of all, thanks for offering to do this. Remember, you and your husband's safety come first, so, I don't want you guys to get in trouble, or jeopardize your safety (both are low probability events)

Anyway, the best scenario, would be to get the tape of you and your husband walking past the poolgate, from HOTG.

Since, this is unlikely, we may have to settle, with your hubby simply getting as high as safely possible, just underneath the camera in the peak of the poolhouse, that shot the POI photo's.

All I want to see is what someone who is a different height, but, the same distance from the curb, and time of day if possible, looks like compared to the POI.


For example, I have a feeling that your height, 5'7, will be a tad under the POI's height. But, until we see a comparison, how in the heck can we know for sure.

I don't want you or your husband to get in trouble, or risk falling from a ladder, etc.

In a perfect world, someone on the board would be friends with an employee at HOTG, who would allow these walk-throughs, and for us (me) to pay for a tape, and have the experiments taped, and then for HOTg, to give us the tape back.

Then, we'll have to blow it up, and compare to the POI.

thanks for offering. We're all here to find JK, and I think the best way to find JK, is to figure out who this dirtbag is, and then go from there.

IF I wasn't so convinced that the height is off, I would never ask anyone to do this experiment. But, with so many people, also believing the height is off, I think the experiment is well worth the effort. Of course, it is your time and effort.

left

TL AS the time nears to your trip to Orlando, and you and your hubby are still interested in doing this, any chance you could pm me, and I could write down what would be nice to see in the experiments. I know it is a lot to ask, but, trust me, it is greatly appreciated.

[drumstick]

You got me a little concerned when you started talking about ladders and renactments at HOTG.

A few facts that maybe you don't know....

The cameras that took the video are mounted in roof gables of the poolhouse.
They are approx. 16 to 18 feet off the ground.

The poolhouse is inside the locked fence. The same fence that blocked our view of the suspect.

If you managed to jump the fence or have a resident open the gate for you, you would still be dealing with a 20 foot ladder (heavy) and the insurance liability along with it for Huntington On The Green.
I see big trespassing issues and possible arrest issues. It's not public property.

IMO, the only possible way to do a civilian enactment is with the written approval of the management at HOTG.

Supply your own tape and then it's just of matter of them placing it into the recorder and then handing it back to you after you are finished.
Will they give you permission? I don't know, but it's worth a try.

You can look at the photos of the cameras and the poolhouse at these
links.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/kessepics/gatepool.jpg

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/kessepics/cameraingable.jpg (http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa251/kessepics/cameraingable.jpg)

Hope this helps .....

~
family tipline 1-407-772-2162

[rd_jfc]

Yes, and not only 18 feet up, but the gable is set back a little or inclined, it is not just a solid wall straight up and you go up and turn around.

So I hope that HOTG would take a new tape :) or two for their old one with your test reenactment footage.

Which brings up left's point, whatever funky things that thing does with colors won't be known without a test of that camera or type of camera. Of course if the type could be determined there might be some technical specs that would shed some light on that.

rd

[Truthful Lies]

T.L.

First of all, thanks for offering to do this. Remember, you and your husband's safety come first, so, I don't want you guys to get in trouble, or jeopardize your safety (both are low probability events)

Anyway, the best scenario, would be to get the tape of you and your husband walking past the poolgate, from HOTG.

Since, this is unlikely, we may have to settle, with your hubby simply getting as high as safely possible, just underneath the camera in the peak of the poolhouse, that shot the POI photo's.

All I want to see is what someone who is a different height, but, the same distance from the curb, and time of day if possible, looks like compared to the POI.


For example, I have a feeling that your height, 5'7, will be a tad under the POI's height. But, until we see a comparison, how in the heck can we know for sure.

I don't want you or your husband to get in trouble, or risk falling from a ladder, etc.

In a perfect world, someone on the board would be friends with an employee at HOTG, who would allow these walk-throughs, and for us (me) to pay for a tape, and have the experiments taped, and then for HOTg, to give us the tape back.

Then, we'll have to blow it up, and compare to the POI.

thanks for offering. We're all here to find JK, and I think the best way to find JK, is to figure out who this dirtbag is, and then go from there.

IF I wasn't so convinced that the height is off, I would never ask anyone to do this experiment. But, with so many people, also believing the height is off, I think the experiment is well worth the effort. Of course, it is your time and effort.

left

TL AS the time nears to your trip to Orlando, and you and your hubby are still interested in doing this, any chance you could pm me, and I could write down what would be nice to see in the experiments. I know it is a lot to ask, but, trust me, it is greatly appreciated.

Leftcoast,

I appreciate your concern for our safety...we will be safe - I won't go alone. I didn't realize the cameras were that high off the ground...I do think I'll contact the administration, find the name of the person I need to talk to, write them a letter and then call as a follow up.

Maybe one reason i'm so interested is that my name is Jennifer K. also. Her story is important to me..not just because of the name..but because it could have been my best friend, my cousin, me, etc. I would not mind going at all...although my husband thinks I'm nuts (i don't care).

I will write the letter within the next couple of days and post it here so suggesstions/revisions can be made.

I have also asked my brother in law to go - he is 5'10. Should give us a good idea with those heights. We also have various helmets..my hubby is a big mtn biker.

I will PM you and RD, leftcoast. Anyone else that would like me too, I will, but will also post my progress here. I do not mind detailed instructions at all...it's better if we have a game plan and input from everyone so we cover all the bases.

[Truthful Lies]

Yes, and not only 18 feet up, but the gable is set back a little or inclined, it is not just a solid wall straight up and you go up and turn around.

So I hope that HOTG would take a new tape :) or two for their old one with your test reenactment footage.

Which brings up left's point, whatever funky things that thing does with colors won't be known without a test of that camera or type of camera. Of course if the type could be determined there might be some technical specs that would shed some light on that.

rd

I agree. Will find out what format their tapes are in and see if they're willing to swap. Will also do my very best to get specs on their camera.

[annemc2]

Wow rd - I'm glad you warned us about the spookiness of that face looking right back atcha!

It took me quite awhile to be able to see it but when I finally did... ((shudder))
it sure was creepy.

[leftcoast]

TL;

Sounds like a plan. The more people you take with you, the better. Rumor has it that HOTG is not in a good area.

As for obtaining photo's, the "best" scenario would be to get photo's of your hubby, brother-in-law, and you, via the HOTG camera's.

However, I must admit it is a longshot.

IF HOTG says "no", we can't use their camera's via our own tape, then, there is "no law" against visiting a complex that one is interested in "living" at someday, and checking out the pool area.

(AS a matter of fact, I know some people have visited Mosaic under these pretenses, just to get a look at MOsaic, and the grounds. It is perfectly legal. )

I'm sure someone lounging at the pool, would be nice enough to let a fellow resident who forgot their keys, to use their key to the pool area.

All we need is a few photo's from underneath the camera in the eave's of the poolhouse that took the "stills" of the POI.

Even though it won't be from the same height, we can still get a "rough" estimate of the change in height between the POI, and your photo's.

Here is a video from WESH that shows LE estimating the POI's height. Notice the "woman officer" who is posing as the POI, and view for yourself if you think she is shorter than the POI.

You can also see the palm tree in the video, where the POI is next to, in the third POI photo.

The actual measurement is at .30 seconds of the tape.

http://www.wftv.com/video/6885628/detail.html

thanks again

left

[drumstick]

I have an idea of how to help you in a "safe" way.

If you get a local member of the press to do a story on the public's lack of confidence in le's measurement, that person could assist you in getting permission for their story.

If you gathered as many people as possible for different height comparison's, you could almost do a parade of sorts around the fence where the suspect was captured on film.
Maybe the residents of HOTG would even help you with that.

Just an idea.... I want you to be safe.

Let me know if I can help.. ~

[rd_jfc]

Wow rd - I'm glad you warned us about the spookiness of that face looking right back atcha!

It took me quite awhile to be able to see it but when I finally did... ((shudder))
it sure was creepy.

It really is. Especially when you wonder what he is doing parking Jennifer's car and walking away. Back to the Mosaic? I don't know, but I would have hated to have been a real witness there that day and catching him looking back at me like that photo did.

rd

[leftcoast]

I have an idea of how to help you in a "safe" way.

If you get a local member of the press to do a story on the public's lack of confidence in le's measurement, that person could assist you in getting permission for their story.

If you gathered as many people as possible for different height comparison's, you could almost do a parade of sorts around the fence where the suspect was captured on film.
Maybe the residents of HOTG would even help you with that.

Just an idea.... I want you to be safe.

Let me know if I can help.. ~

Wonderful idea Drumstick.

Now, does anybody have any connections to the local press?

I know in my case, all I had to do was email a local tv station, and they immediately wanted to do a story about my research. I don't know about the press in Orlando. I do think it has to be someone "local". IF I lived in Orlando, I'd do it myself. But, I think the person who emails the news stations must be "convinced" and knowledgeable about the case.

I'd love for a local news station to do the entire thing.

Heck, not only could they get copies of the tape, but, they have the expertise to blow up the photo's, etc, not to mention getting press for the case.

Maybe RD can add to the list. Here's what I want tested.

1) Obviously, the height, using people of all different heights.

2) The sex. Can we tell the difference between men and women via that camera.

3) The color clothing. What color's show up light, dark, etc.

4) The headgear. Is that the POI's hair? What would a baseball cap look like? a helmet? a do-rag? Hair in a bun? knit cap, or chef's gear?

5) The items which may or may not be in the POI's hands. Will an item, such as a IPOD, show up in the hand, or an evelope. IF someone carries a duffel bag in that outside or left arm, is it visible through the legs, and behind the POI?

6) Can you really tell if a person is just wearing a plain old t-shirt, or a shrit with badge's, lettering, etc, like RD is suggesting.

7) I would like to test RD's theories, such as the holster, badge, and see if the person turns around by the tree, is this noticeable?

8) I want to see all photo's done at noon, and then maybe one or two at night, just to make certain the time on the tape is correct, and to see what a "night time" photo looks like.

9) On the POI's pant leg, can we have one person wear pants with elastic, and have another simply put a rubber band around the pant leg.

10) Can we tell the difference between white, asian, and black people via the camera, or does everyone look the same?

Obviously, these are the most important items.

I can't believe that none of the local tv stations have done any "behind the scene's" on this case. Greta came down and did a decent job, but, now that we know the POI is for sure the person who parked the car, she needs to do an update.

Question is: Does OPD have a suspect, and know his name, but, doesn't have enough to make an arrest?

Based on reading between the lines, I don't think that OPD has a clue to the identity of the POI. I wish they did, but, once they get a "good suspect", I believe there will be something, like a hair or print, to place him in that car.

imo

left

[Beyond Belief]

Getting the press involved in an excellent idea. Of course cover all the points of interests, but also make sure some cameras are running on the spectators, perhaps if the perp is still in the area, all the activity will peak his curiosity and he will make an appearance. Lots of interviews and getting the public to participate. Something needs to be done to get this guy to come out of the woodwork.

[SeriouslySearching]

Since we have the one clearer video...I would like to see a video of someone walking around the pool from where the car was found. There is one point on that video which would be a good way to indicate height as well...using the fence post or another solid object to test against.

Don't forget to include the knit rolled cap in your experiment! (rolled ski cap should work just as well for this.)

You might try using a "bistro" apron in a shot, too. It is the shortest version which is worn alot by bar staffers.

I like the idea of getting the media involved as this would put pressure on LE to reconsider their height measurement.

[Beyond Belief]

Your really going to have to be careful, Foxnews was just talking about Orlando, some camera people and reporter were covering some activity this morning and got caught in the crossfire.
Well, maybe you ought to go to Fox for help.

[UCFAlumni2002]

The media has been very receptive in Jenn's case when you email them to keep her story out there, especially the local Orlando media. I can tell you that from what I've seen in the past, they approach the Kesse's before doing stories on anything that might be out of the norm for them. Local 6 and On the Record with Greta Van Suestran as well as John Cutter from Orlando Sentinel have all been very good at keeping Jenn's name out there. Also Fox 35 News in Orlando. If you can get the media, I'd be impressed.

[Truthful Lies]

I have just e-mailed Fox 35 in Orlando - we will see if they respond.

I have friends who are alumni of UCF journalism school...will see what connections they have, as well.

[drumstick]

Thank you ... let us know what happens.

[UCFAlumni2002]

Heidi.Hatch@FOXTV.COM is one of the reporters for Fox 35 who has covered it.

David W McDaniel [dmcdaniel@hearst.com] is a reporter for WESH 2 (NBC affiliate)

KSantich@orlandosentinel.com Kate Santich is a reporter from the Oralndo Sentinel who did a really touching story about the Kesse's and Jenn

[UCFAlumni2002]

Just hoping that with 18 months coming up on Tuesday that the media keep Jennifer on the mind's of the community, nation and world. We need to keep Jenn's story alive. AWARENESS is key and even once we figure out the height, etc we still need the public to help solve this.

[rd_jfc]

Ideally the police would revise their description of the height of the suspect and the press would have a significant new update to report.

Maybe enough independent information can be generated to encourage them to do that, I don't know.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

One thing is for certain...this would put her case back in the spotlight for at least a day or two! How could the press resist someone going in and trying to redo what LE has already done? LOL

[rd_jfc]

Oh, and maybe someone would actually know about a potential person who could be in that photo that was well over 5'5" but...

rd

[leftcoast]

or, who's to say that this guy's name has been called in, but, LE passed on investigating him since he was a too tall, and didn't have a record.

I can imagine that LE was overwhelmed with tips, and they probably focused on people with criminal records, who are 5"4, and especially sexual offenders.

If this guy is a first time offender, or is taller, he could have slipped through the cracks.

Don't forget, this technically isn't a "homicide", although it has been assigned to the homicide division. IT is a "missing, suspicious circumstances", and I'm sure LE has plenty of cases to work on.

That is why I think it could be a small thing, such as height, or possibly someone 5"4, who slipped through because their alibi wasn't checked out properly.

I really think that when this case is solved, and it will be, it is going to be someone who is not a stranger to that complex, or JK. Doesn't mean it is a friend of JK, but, someone she knew of, or recognized. That wouldn't surprise me at all.

imo

left

[UCFAlumni2002]

I really do not believe that OPD discounted a tip because of height or no prior convictions. There are fingerprints in Jenn's car and they do not match anything currently in the national database. Same goes for DNA. That has been stated. Yes, I realize only one station reported it but still I'm 99.8% confident with the fact that they have it. I truly feel it is someone who has not been caught before- doesn't mean they didn't necessarily commit a crime before, but I just don't think they've been caught. I doubt OPD is dumb enough to sit there and go oh that person is 5'8- that wouldn't fit- let's not even check into it. I do agree that from all accounts of Jenn, she is really safety conscious, etc, so I don't necessarily it is going to be completely random but someone that she would let her guard down, even if just a smidge, for them to be able to take her.

[leftcoast]

Yes, UCF, I agree.

But, if LE had a good tip, on a guy who is 5"8, with no record, and LE thought the guy was good for it.

All LE would have to do is obtain a DNA sample from the guy, and ask for a fingerprint sample. Sure, he could refuse, but, LE would only turn up the heat, and try to obtain a warrant for the information. Or, obtain a sample from a discarded cigarette, bottle of water, from his garbage, etc. But, eventually, LE would obtain a DNA sample from the suspect, one way or another.

So, that is my point. IF LE has prints, and DNA from JK's car, and a tip on a good suspect, they can manually obtain a sample from a "good" suspect, and the DNA lab, and the print specialist, can "manually" compare his DNA and prints with those in JK's car. You don't need CODIS or AFIS for that.

So, one of three things has happened in this case.

LE has DNA, and prints, from the POI, and they have not matched it with the database.

OR

LE has not run across the right suspect, and his prints and DNA are not in the database

or

LE has DNA and prints from JK's car, but, they are not from the POI.

One of these has to be the answer. Agree?

left

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know that LE has a thing, Left...besides the lousy photos.

[leftcoast]

I don't know that LE has a thing, Left...besides the lousy photos.

I agree.

I just don't see how LE could know for certain that the prints and DNA are from the POI.

I'm not doubting that LE has both, but, until you match the forensics with a suspect, you can never be certain they are from the POI.

LE probably has "unidentified latent fingerprints, and unidentified DNA"

Unless:

The video shows the POI touching JK's car, and a print was lifted from that spot,

or

something was left in JK's car, that didn't belong to JK, and it doesn't match her DNA.

Such as a cigarette, water bottle, hat, bodily fluids, sweat, etc.

Also, if LE has DNA, it would be a great help to release the sex of the POI to the public, and his or her most probable ethnicity.

I don't see why LE wouldn't release this information, to further narrow the search for the POI.

I sure would like to know the answer. I also want to know if "anyone", other than Joyce Kesse, has been asked to submit a DNA sample, or a full set of fingerprints.

left

[SeriouslySearching]

Since they didn't bother to print the apartment itself, that we know of, and the car didn't appear to have any place which looked like prints were found, IMO...(they would have KEPT the car and the area where the prints were found...door handle, armrest, etc. would have been removed for further trace evidence and, if found, kept for evidence in a trial.)...I theorize they have nothing.

[leftcoast]

PLus, you would think that LE would print Rob, Drew, Logan and Joyce, and other's who frequented JK's car, and also get DNA from them, so, the DNA sample, and prints found, can be ruled out as belonging to any of them.

While I agree with UCF, and hope LE has DNA, I am cautious.

For example, if LE searched JK's car, and found a water bottle left behind, or a hair on the headrest of JK's driver's seat, that was not from JK, one would think that LE would be getting DNA samples from everyone, and letting the DNA solve the case.

For example, in the BTK case, LE had his DNA. So, LE simply went around town, and starting collecting DNA from any and all suspects. A smart move.

In such a high profile case, like JK, has this been done, and if not, why not?

I'll bet there can't be more than 20 or so "good suspects", so DNA testing would run about $10,000, assuming no hits come until the last person is tested.

With all the money LE has spent on this case, I'm sure that would take a 10,000 bet, if they knew it would identify the POI, and give them a rock solid case in court.

Related to DNA. IF LE has DNA from the POI. First of all, LE is going to know if it is male or female. Then, LE can run a "partial" match for DNA. This is not allowed in all states, and the FEDS will only allow it in certain cases. But, over 40% of inmates, have relatives in prison. This partial DNA match, would scan the DNA database for any close relatives of the DNA sample, such as a brother. If it comes back positive, than LE can use the results to narrow the POI down to a certain family, and within days should have an answer.

Again, this is not allowed in all circumstances, and is controversial, with some groups opposing its' use.

left

[SeriouslySearching]

Left...what are the chances this guy left behind a water bottle, cig butt, or anything else as "clean" as this was done? I don't give it one in a million myself and I am a betting woman!

They have zip, nada, zilch.

[leftcoast]

Left...what are the chances this guy left behind a water bottle, cig butt, or anything else as "clean" as this was done? I don't give it one in a million myself and I am a betting woman!

They have zip, nada, zilch.

I'm trying to play both sides of the argument.

I agree, it is unlikely, but, if this guy was inexperienced, or panicked, you never know.

Who would have expected this clown to park Jk's car in front of CCTV?

I've seen stranger things happen.

We shed hair from our heads, all the time, without knowing it.

Sure, the POI had a hat on, or so we think.

But, if he rested his head on that headrest, or had the window open, who's to say he didn't lose one hair on that headrest.

I agree, this case should be further along with forensic evidence, but, I've learned not to rule out chances.

Also, Drew and FOX say LE has DNA. Who's DNA it is, I sure would like to know. Sure, it could be a false story to get the POI worried, or it could just be true.

left

[UCFAlumni2002]

I understand where frustrations come in and how come this isn't solved yet since it will be 18 months on Tuesday since Jenn was last seen or heard from.

You have to keep the faith that LE is doing their job. That they know more then we do. That they did do most of the job right.

Also, I stay positive for Jenn and for the Kesse's. This is an unimaginable living Hell they are going through. A nightmare that they can't wake up from. The fact that they go on day after day after day for the Love of Jenn to find their daughter amazes me. I only hope that I'm that strong whenever any of life's curveballs are thrown my way.

So with that said, let's help find Jennifer.... I'm not discounting anyone's theory as you never know, so let's keep rehashing it, going back to basics and see what all of us collectively can come up with. You never know- we might be able to help figure this out and end this nightmare.

Expect Miracles- I continue to expect them for Jennifer and her family every single day.

[UM&AMWfan]

I understand where frustrations come in and how come this isn't solved yet since it will be 18 months on Tuesday since Jenn was last seen or heard from.

You have to keep the faith that LE is doing their job. That they know more then we do. That they did do most of the job right.

Also, I stay positive for Jenn and for the Kesse's. This is an unimaginable living Hell they are going through. A nightmare that they can't wake up from. The fact that they go on day after day after day for the Love of Jenn to find their daughter amazes me. I only hope that I'm that strong whenever any of life's curveballs are thrown my way.

So with that said, let's help find Jennifer.... I'm not discounting anyone's theory as you never know, so let's keep rehashing it, going back to basics and see what all of us collectively can come up with. You never know- we might be able to help figure this out and end this nightmare.

Expect Miracles- I continue to expect them for Jennifer and her family every single day.

Hasn't Equusearch been called in yet from Texas? They are the humanitarian group that helps find missing people and they helped in the search for Natalee Holloway and they are helping in the case of another missing woman in Florida, Stepha Henry.

They are known internationally and really have to the potential to help.

[SeriouslySearching]

Orlando PD refused their help as I understand it.

[UCFAlumni2002]

I'm not sure what went on with TX Equasearch. I do know that the Kesse's are working with the Florida legislature to get legislation passed regarding how missing persons cases should be handled, also mandating DNA testing for human remains.

[SeriouslySearching]

It was in one of the articles which stated that LE turned them down when they offered to come. LE said they didn't need them and they felt they had done a sufficient search.

[Truthful Lies]

That's lovely....refusing help... I think the family should be in the position to accept/refuse...even if LE says it will "complicate things".

[SeriouslySearching]

This is one thing I have disagreed heavily on with the Kesse family. Their unwavering faith in LE and the way they handled this case. If the Kesse family stood back and took a view from another perspective, they would notice the inconsistencies which have existed from the beginning. Equusearch would have been called in at an early stage and many things would be forthcoming now. Because they won't go against LE in any way has severely hindered finding Jennifer, IMO.

I would have BEGGED Tim Miller and EquuSearch to come help find Jennifer! Regardless of what LE said! Look at their record vs. the record of Orlando PD!

[Myserty64]

Good post SS.

[UM&AMWfan]

I would have BEGGED Tim Miller and EquuSearch to come help find Jennifer! Regardless of what LE said! Look at their record vs. the record of Orlando PD!

It defies common sense that the Kesse family didn't do just that. What could the Kesse family explanation possibly be to turn them down??? They obviously know they need HELP to find Jennifer so why not call on Equusearch who will do it for FREE???

It makes no sense at all. Is there anyone on these boards who knows the Kesse family who could ask them about Equusearch?

[Truthful Lies]

I think they probably were/are lost and confused..hurting..and just doing what they think is best. I'm all for EquuSearch...absolutely...but they probably have been advised by someone they trust to let LE do their job.

[CatLynnette]

Joyce and Drew Kesse are searching for an alive daughter. They believe that Jennifer is alive and they hope that she will eventually return home. Why would the Kesses feel the need for Texas EquuSearch?

The Kesses are not unique. I know of a couple of other families with missing loved ones who also reacted the same way concerning Texas EquuSearch.

[Bobbisangel]

Since they didn't bother to print the apartment itself, that we know of, and the car didn't appear to have any place which looked like prints were found, IMO...(they would have KEPT the car and the area where the prints were found...door handle, armrest, etc. would have been removed for further trace evidence and, if found, kept for evidence in a trial.)...I theorize they have nothing.


My daughter was murdered in her car and LE went over it for evidence and then released it. I had it detailed and then sold in another county. They don't always keep vehicles. I know they didn't my daughters.

[Bobbisangel]

Joyce and Drew Kesse are searching for an alive daughter. They believe that Jennifer is alive and they hope that she will eventually return home. Why would the Kesses feel the need for Texas EquuSearch?

The Kesses are not unique. I know of a couple of other families with missing loved ones who also reacted the same way concerning Texas EquuSearch.


I can understand Jennifer's family wanting to find Jennifer alive but in my heart of hearts I don't think that she is. It's been way to long and when an adult is abducted she usually isn't kept alive for very long. Rape is usually the reason for the abduction and then murder follows so the victim can't identify the rapist. Elizabeth Smart was kept alive but consider her age and why she was abducted. Both of those horrible people are mentally ill and that creep wanted Elizabeth for his wife. Her abduction was different from most I think.

The Kesse's can still look for a alive Jennifer but at the same time they should cover all bases just in case she isn't alive. Either way I'm sure that they would want to find her and take her home. Are they still living in Jennifer's condo or have they moved back home by now?

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree, Bobbisangel. They need to come to a realization and call in EquuSearch to help find Jenn. Their expertise is so valuable and if she is out there waiting to be found...they can bring her home. It wouldn't at all surprise me to find her very near to where she was abducted. They won't have the evidence they need until they find her to find out who her perp is.

While it is okay to remain hopeful, it should not dictate the way the investigation should go. I believe they are looking at recovery now and not a rescue.

They are home, is my understanding. I don't know if they kept her apartment, but I think they did.

[Rum Tum Tugger]

Local 6 PM News Today, July 22 - Channel 9 - WFTV - Orlando

Quote:
"On Tuesday, a local high profile Orlando cold case will become part of a new inititive that gets jail inmates to talk. Jennifer Kesse disappeared from her condo in January of last year. This disappearance is one of 104 unsolved cases featured on playing cards that will be distributed to state inmates. The custom cards have already generated leads during a trial run in Polk County in South Florida."

Film showed the playing cards to be distributed.

Rum Tum

[CatLynnette]

Decks of playing cards with Jennifer's picture and information has been distributed to area jails since September 2006, (ten months ago). It was a good idea, however, I don't think it helped.

Link:
http://www.local6.com/news/9939461/detail.html

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know...it would bother me to have such men drooling over pictures of my daughter. <shivers>

[Enrique Sparta]

I don't know...it would bother me to have such men drooling over pictures of my daughter. <shivers>


yeah but good luck finding her when you get outta prison!

it was a good idea but a long shot anyways. those types of things are always long shots but it's worth a try.

the new video initially brought attention back to the JK case but now that's run its course and it's not being talked about much any more.

I can't believe they would turn down EquuSearch. And it's just plain stupid of the family to not wanna use EquuSearch cause they are looking for an alive person (if that's the case) and definitely stupid of the cops too. How could it hurt???? It's great to be optomistic but realize it's 1 in a million she's still alive. Have all bases covered just like the others said.


they screwed up with the "POI" photos. the photos they showed to the public on tv, in person, on the internet, were useless. here's what they should've done.

1)show the video and the pictures right away. your trap will not work. even the dumbest criminal would not fall for that "well maybe he'll think we just think he's a Person of Interest and he'll voluntarily come talk to us" No way. Everybody can put 2 and 2 together, there's only one way that "POI" could've been the "POI" and that's if he was seen driving the car in there at the same time, we all knew this like a year before the video was released. I'm sure everyone else did too. He was never a person of interest, he was a suspect and should've been called one publicly early on. there must be some other information the cops can hold back so they don't reveal everything they've got.

2)the pics suck without blowing them up. nothing wrong with blowing up the pictures. it's not altering them in any way. the blown up pictures are much more revealing. you'd think law enforcement would be able to do that too and instead of all these posters and pictures shown up on the news and Dateline, etc, they should have the type of photos shown that rd has done. everything, tv, media, internet, moving billboard, the original photos are not enough.

3)the height of the suspect is all wrong wrong wrong. I tip my hat to the posters (too many to name) who pointed this out a long time ago. I wanted to think the authorities got that down but nope. I finally looked into it and concur with left, myserty, catlynette, rd, etc, etc. Bravo. He's between 5'9"-5'11" average male height.

4.Reward. The idea of a reward is for greed to overcome friendship, for somebody close to the suspect to drop a dime. $1 million for the safe return of Jennifer Kesse is wonderful. However there should've been something like $500,000 for information leading to the suspect or to the location of Jennifer. If not $500,000 then $250,000 or even $100,000. If the guy putting up a million bucks for her safe return is willing to do that, he should have no problem with a lesser reward for any real information. It's noble of him to have put up the million, however everybody knows the odds of her being alive is a million to one at best. Sounds like the employer just wanted to make it look like a good deed was being done. It is a good deed...kind of. Would've been much better with another offer re: the suspect of JK's location. As opposed to the lousy $15,000 bucks? They hardly even advertised that and it's a crappy reward. Somebody just might turn in a buddy or something for a quarter mil. Probably wouldn't have mattered but it's a much better chance than the current thing.

5.This whole EquuSearch refusal is awfully disturbing. Why turn down free help? I read this about them: TES has gained a reputation as a well-equipped organization which can deploy resources such as radar, sonar, dive or dog teams, and vehicles ranging from ATVs to boats to aircraft to remotely operated vehicles.

sounds like a marvelous organization. founded by a man who's daughter was abducted and murdered.

[rd_jfc]

yeah but good luck finding her when you get outta prison!

it was a good idea but a long shot anyways. those types of things are always long shots but it's worth a try.

the new video initially brought attention back to the JK case but now that's run its course and it's not being talked about much any more.

I can't believe they would turn down EquuSearch. And it's just plain stupid of the family to not wanna use EquuSearch cause they are looking for an alive person (if that's the case) and definitely stupid of the cops too. How could it hurt???? It's great to be optomistic but realize it's 1 in a million she's still alive. Have all bases covered just like the others said.


they screwed up with the "POI" photos. the photos they showed to the public on tv, in person, on the internet, were useless. here's what they should've done.

1)show the video and the pictures right away. your trap will not work. even the dumbest criminal would not fall for that "well maybe he'll think we just think he's a Person of Interest and he'll voluntarily come talk to us" No way. Everybody can put 2 and 2 together, there's only one way that "POI" could've been the "POI" and that's if he was seen driving the car in there at the same time, we all knew this like a year before the video was released. I'm sure everyone else did too. He was never a person of interest, he was a suspect and should've been called one publicly early on. there must be some other information the cops can hold back so they don't reveal everything they've got.

2)the pics suck without blowing them up. nothing wrong with blowing up the pictures. it's not altering them in any way. the blown up pictures are much more revealing. you'd think law enforcement would be able to do that too and instead of all these posters and pictures shown up on the news and Dateline, etc, they should have the type of photos shown that rd has done. everything, tv, media, internet, moving billboard, the original photos are not enough.

3)the height of the suspect is all wrong wrong wrong. I tip my hat to the posters (too many to name) who pointed this out a long time ago. I wanted to think the authorities got that down but nope. I finally looked into it and concur with left, myserty, catlynette, rd, etc, etc. Bravo. He's between 5'9"-5'11" average male height.

4.Reward. The idea of a reward is for greed to overcome friendship, for somebody close to the suspect to drop a dime. $1 million for the safe return of Jennifer Kesse is wonderful. However there should've been something like $500,000 for information leading to the suspect or to the location of Jennifer. If not $500,000 then $250,000 or even $100,000. If the guy putting up a million bucks for her safe return is willing to do that, he should have no problem with a lesser reward for any real information. It's noble of him to have put up the million, however everybody knows the odds of her being alive is a million to one at best. Sounds like the employer just wanted to make it look like a good deed was being done. It is a good deed...kind of. Would've been much better with another offer re: the suspect of JK's location. As opposed to the lousy $15,000 bucks? They hardly even advertised that and it's a crappy reward. Somebody just might turn in a buddy or something for a quarter mil. Probably wouldn't have mattered but it's a much better chance than the current thing.

5.This whole EquuSearch refusal is awfully disturbing. Why turn down free help? I read this about them: TES has gained a reputation as a well-equipped organization which can deploy resources such as radar, sonar, dive or dog teams, and vehicles ranging from ATVs to boats to aircraft to remotely operated vehicles.

sounds like a marvelous organization. founded by a man who's daughter was abducted and murdered.


It is. They've done great work in the past. But I saw the same thing with the DC police in Chandra's case. They turned down multiple professional dog search teams who volunteered to search Rock Creek Park, with the same statement Orlando police made. We've already searched.

Agreed with all your points, Enrique, but two things for us to note - Orlando authorities stated after the video was released that they have received tips with more specific details than in the past, and they stated not long ago that they would be searching local bodies of water again with sonar technology.

So my take is that they are proceeding with an investigation and doing new things, not just waiting for a dime to be dropped, which with near total silence sounds like it.

rd

[Enrique Sparta]

Well I didn't mean to say they're just sitting on their asses and waiting for somebody to bring them a smoking gun. Just that I'd go about the reward thing differently. that's not really law enforcement's thing though. they weren't the ones offering a reward.

that's great news about receiving new tips since the release of the video. doesn't that just make it more obvious they should've done it much earlier though? And it's also promising they're finally gonna start checking some local bodies of water. so many of them in Florida.

[rd_jfc]

yes, I agree, it does show they should have released the video from the beginning and got the tips "with more specific detail" a year and a half ago, when Jennifer disappeared.

rd

[UM&AMWfan]

Well I didn't mean to say they're just sitting on their asses and waiting for somebody to bring them a smoking gun. Just that I'd go about the reward thing differently. that's not really law enforcement's thing though. they weren't the ones offering a reward.

that's great news about receiving new tips since the release of the video. doesn't that just make it more obvious they should've done it much earlier though? And it's also promising they're finally gonna start checking some local bodies of water. so many of them in Florida.

Yeah but they interviewed LE in south Florida for another missing persons case, Stepha Henry, and they said there are too many bodies of water in Florida to search every single one of them.

So, they REALLY need Equusearch to help out which makes it all the more bewildering why they refuse FREE help???

Plus wouldn't a body have been eaten or completely decomposed by now in Florida's warm tropical climate?

[rd_jfc]

Same as on land, they'd just be looking for a skeleton, sad as that is to say. Of course, as long they don't find anything, she could still be alive.

rd

[SeriouslySearching]

There could be evidence such as her wallet, the cellphones, a weapon, etc.

[leftcoast]

AT this point, how is any idea, a bad idea?

Heck, if some guy with a crystal ball showed up at my doorstep, I'd ask him to look into it for JK.

The more ideas, the more people, the more media, the better chance of finding answers.

When cases like this are kept close to the vest, it really concerns me.

We are 18 months out, let's get realistic, yet, remain hopeful, and find Jk or the dirtbag POI.

OPD tell us "one" thing, that has been tried, one new idea, one new approach, since the last news conference.

I'm telling ya, I know at least 10 detectives, who could go down to Orlando, give them access to interview people, HOTG tapes, etc, and they could find that POI in 60 days. I know they could. I at least know they wouldn't go home until they did find the POI, and that is what we need.

We need a detective, who won't stop until the case is solved.

I just don't get it. THis is not, that hard of a case to solve.

It's not an easy case, but, it certainly isn't the most difficult either.

Somebody must have called in a tip, and if they haven't, it is because the description they were given is incorrect. imo

Tomorrow is 18 months. My heart goes out to Rob, and the Kesse's.

left

[Truthful Lies]

Lovely post, Leftcoast. I agree.

[UCFAlumni2002]

From www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com)

July 24, 2007
Tuesday July 24, 2007 marks 1 ½ years, to the day, since Jennifer was Taken against her will from in or around her condo in Orlando, Fl.. We, her family, Police, friends, volunteers and people all over the world who simply care, continue in the fight to find Jennifer and will not stop until we find her, the Prime Suspect and answers. There are many people, organizations and companies to thank for all they have done for Jennifer and our family during this very trying time, you know who you are and we cannot continue this fight without you. We ask that you continue to help spread the awareness of Jennifer's abduction through any and every means viable - media, internet, personal conversations, work meetings, adding Jennifer's website to your email signature, youtube, facebook, myspace, fliers at work, on cars, public places, etc…. Our best chance to find Jennifer is through public awareness and it is working. Tips continue to come in on a daily basis even after all this time, a true testament to your efforts and persistence in keeping her story in the public's eyes and minds and the willingness of people to report what they know.
We ask that this Tuesday, July 24, 2007, you take the time, in some way, to expand the awareness of Jennifer's abduction. Be it by flier, word of mouth, email or any other means, bring attention to her abduction and the battle she faces or faced every minute of every day. Don't let evil win this fight!
We have utilized many different programs such as, billboards, fliers, matchbooks, playing cards, public service announcements, large rewards, TV, Radio, newspapers, banner flying plane, jumbtron ads, holding signs at corners, mobile billboards, speaking engagements, health fairs, business cards, P.O. Box for tips, family private tip line, children's fingerprinting events, ground searches by volunteers, NASCAR, Comedy for the Cause - Missing People (Improv Comedy Club), website, blogs, webcasts, legislation and the list goes on. Collectively these efforts keep Jennifer's story very much alive and will in the long run bring her back to us where she belongs.
Words cannot describe our heartfelt thanks to each and every one of you. The Kesse's

There are also letters from Jennifer's grandmother and a family friend at the website at www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com). Please take the time to read them and also take the time to pass on Jenn's infromation to someone you know and ask them to pass it on and so forth.

Praying for answers...

[SeriouslySearching]

I was watching a story on an airplane crash when it came to me...they have black boxes IN CARS. I wonder if LE ever checked to see if Jenn's had one or looked into it?!

http://carscarscars.blogs.com/index/2004/08/black_boxes_in_.html

GM has quietly installed different versions of the sensing system on some cars throughout the 1990s, but the modules have become more sophisticated over time. Their existence became public in a paper written by GM and government engineers and presented at a conference last month.

[UM&AMWfan]

I was watching a story on an airplane crash when it came to me...they have black boxes IN CARS. I wonder if LE ever checked to see if Jenn's had one or looked into it?!

http://carscarscars.blogs.com/index/2004/08/black_boxes_in_.html

GM has quietly installed different versions of the sensing system on some cars throughout the 1990s, but the modules have become more sophisticated over time. Their existence became public in a paper written by GM and government engineers and presented at a conference last month.

But black boxes are used to help obtain info about the cause of car accidents and such especially when the driver is dead. However, if you mean the black box can tell you where the car has been driven I don't think they can give you such a precise reading on where exactly the car has been but it may be able to tell you the mileage and the general direction the car was driven.

[Sundayrain]

I am so thrilled that Jennifers Parents will be on Greta tonight at 10PM Eastern time.
Its time for renewing interest in the Media for help in finding Jennifer Keese.
Its not fair for any parent to have a daughter missing off the face of the
Earth.
I understand from the commercials that there is NEW information.
That would be great.
All we had before is a shadow of a person in the parking lot where her car was.
I had always wished one of the parents would come on here, like Rachael Cookes father did. It just helps to spread the word, worldwide.
Its hard to give up ones quiet, peaceful life.......to go so public.
Jennifer needs to be found.
Many on WS had worked hard to come up with information.........
and had many good helpful hints on spreading the word.
Praying for Jennifer and her family

[UCFAlumni2002]

Just because Jenn's family isn't necessarily posting doesn't mean they aren't reading. Also a lot of people who have met the Kesse's are posting and will continue to do so until Jenn is brought home.

Please pass on Jenn's website- www.findjenniferkesse.com (http://www.findjenniferkesse.com) to everyone you know today. Send it to your local media, national media, etc. Keep Awareness Alive... for the Love of Jenn :)

[cheko1]

Sundayrain,
I also am glad Greta is featuring JK on her show.
Soooooo much time has lapsed, its a total long shot.

[UK Sleuth]

Haven’t posted in a while but I have read with intrigue all the posts.

At the risk of sounding controversial does anyone else think Orlando PD might not want Equisearch involved because should they uncover a body they may have egg on their face? Particularly if a body was found very local?

Police authorities traditionally are very territorial and don’t like others be it the FBI or MI5 getting involved in their investigations.

This is mainly because they want to solve it themselves and they don’t want any potential mistakes they have made highlighted by others.

I can understand the Kesses not wanting to think that way but I think as horrendous as it would be to find a body it may bring some closure and when they hopefully don’t find one then the hope remains that she is alive.

My personal feelings are that from day one this investigation has been handled sloppily at best and hasn’t improved.

JKs apartment was not processed.

The ‘trap’ set for the poi was a joke they were never going to come forward and the error should have been realised sooner with an earlier release of the car being parked footage.

If rd’s analysis is correct then why haven’t LE developed the pictures in the same way and released them?

If they have been this sloppy with certain aspects of the investigation then how thorough have they been with interviewing witnesses/checking out alibis etc?

With regard to DNA again if they are withholding the fact that they have it then I believe it to be another mistake.

This person is not going to come forward now so if you have DNA then state that fact to the public, you never know someone who may be suspicious of a friend/family member but hasn’t come forward would be more likely to do so with the ability to exonerate them from the investigation if innocent.

I am not anti Law Enforcement but I do think sometimes investigations are screwed up and I think there are clear signs that this one has not been handled the best.

This suspect is no master criminal for a start they have parked Jennifer’s car and walked in full view of CCTV.

The only way I can see a resolution to this case is a thorough reinvestigation from the start with some ‘fresh eyes’ that or Jennifer’s discovery.

I still think this piece of filth is right under LE’s noses.

[UCFAlumni2002]

I know that OPD and Orange County Sheriff's Dept have horses and they have been doing searches consistantly over the past 18 months. That could be why they didn't bring in TX Equasearch. Another rumor I heard was that they didn't call in TX Equasearch because they didn't have a set parameter to search as in other cases in which the cell phone records made it a bit easier to do a large grid search. I don't know why- but please make your case as to why you think they should get involved now 18 months later.

[UK Sleuth]

I know that OPD and Orange County Sheriff's Dept have horses and they have been doing searches consistantly over the past 18 months. That could be why they didn't bring in TX Equasearch. Another rumor I heard was that they didn't call in TX Equasearch because they didn't have a set parameter to search as in other cases in which the cell phone records made it a bit easier to do a large grid search. I don't know why- but please make your case as to why you think they should get involved now 18 months later.

I would argue why shouldnt they get involved now?

It has as you state been 18 months and it appears on the surface anyhow that LE are no nearer to finding out Jennifers whereabouts or the whereabouts of the suspect.

The release of the video feels to me like the last roll of the dice from Orlando PD, that was their rabbit from the hat if they ever got the suspect in custody, they havent and don't seem to have a firm suspect,well no arrests anyway.

I would think by now if they suspected someone but had zero evidence they still would have had them in for questioning and tried to turn up the heat for a confession or information.

Anything that adds to the investigation be it Equasearch or anything else for my mind is a good thing.

[Sundayrain]

Sundayrain,
I also am glad Greta is featuring JK on her show.
Soooooo much time has lapsed, its a total long shot.
Great, great step with bringing her story out in the open again.
I just went to Jennifers blog area.
Anyone know who this young boy is, who is mentioned.
Someone was talking about a young boy. Asian,small, who parts his hair like that. What I thought was the most interesting is how they discribed how he could of parked and gone to "his mothers house" that is on the
street behind .........think the name was "Americana street".......or something like that. The person mentioning, that he was a nice boy but
someone is protecting him.........
I was a bit floored by this blogger being so into this young teen as
a POI. Think he gave the name of him.......even. ( I think anyhow, as all of the blogging was flooring me)
Wondering what you all know. Getting his fingerprints could be a big answer.........
I get so frustrated ,that I even go to Brians Predictions......just because of needed answers that don't come.
His predictions........seem to back up the bloggers......
So now I am in a big, big, wonderment......are they finally getting close.
I'm praying...........

[UCFAlumni2002]

Great, great step with bringing her story out in the open again.
I just went to Jennifers blog area.
Anyone know who this young boy is, who is mentioned.
Someone was talking about a young boy. Asian,small, who parts his hair like that. What I thought was the most interesting is how they discribed how he could of parked and gone to "his mothers house" that is on the
street behind .........think the name was "Americana street".......or something like that. The person mentioning, that he was a nice boy but
someone is protecting him.........
I was a bit floored by this blogger being so into this young teen as
a POI. Think he gave the name of him.......even. ( I think anyhow, as all of the blogging was flooring me)
Wondering what you all know. Getting his fingerprints could be a big answer.........
I get so frustrated ,that I even go to Brians Predictions......just because of needed answers that don't come.
His predictions........seem to back up the bloggers......
So now I am in a big, big, wonderment......are they finally getting close.
I'm praying...........

What blog are you referring to? I'd like to have the opportunity to take a peek at it. Thanks

[Sundayrain]

Haven’t posted in a while but I have read with intrigue all the posts.

At the risk of sounding controversial does anyone else think Orlando PD might not want Equisearch involved because should they uncover a body they may have egg on their face? Particularly if a body was found very local?

Police authorities traditionally are very territorial and don’t like others be it the FBI or MI5 getting involved in their investigations.

This is mainly because they want to solve it themselves and they don’t want any potential mistakes they have made highlighted by others.

I can understand the Kesses not wanting to think that way but I think as horrendous as it would be to find a body it may bring some closure and when they hopefully don’t find one then the hope remains that she is alive.

My personal feelings are that from day one this investigation has been handled sloppily at best and hasn’t improved.

JKs apartment was not processed.

The ‘trap’ set for the poi was a joke they were never going to come forward and the error should have been realised sooner with an earlier release of the car being parked footage.

If rd’s analysis is correct then why haven’t LE developed the pictures in the same way and released them?

If they have been this sloppy with certain aspects of the investigation then how thorough have they been with interviewing witnesses/checking out alibis etc?

With regard to DNA again if they are withholding the fact that they have it then I believe it to be another mistake.

This person is not going to come forward now so if you have DNA then state that fact to the public, you never know someone who may be suspicious of a friend/family member but hasn’t come forward would be more likely to do so with the ability to exonerate them from the investigation if innocent.

I am not anti Law Enforcement but I do think sometimes investigations are screwed up and I think there are clear signs that this one has not been handled the best.

This suspect is no master criminal for a start they have parked Jennifer’s car and walked in full view of CCTV.

The only way I can see a resolution to this case is a thorough reinvestigation from the start with some ‘fresh eyes’ that or Jennifer’s discovery.

I still think this piece of filth is right under LE’s noses.
One thing I'd like to say in regards to part of your story here........
I found this to be so, so, true on a case I was working on.
I needed to get "just a general location of interest" area for the producer/reporter of AMW that was throughly, and intensely involved in helping with a missing case. All my thanks forever to him.
The local police would not on that morning ,when I was to get back to
AMW.......release a hint of general area. We needed this for a good, local PI, and a name was going to come to us from the AMW people.
Local, LE.......said "no, I am not giving up what I have done, and what I have accomplished"......"my case"
This is quite pompous as far as I was concerned. Who cares about the LE feelings.......we were looking for a missing young girl.
In the end, it was discovered anyhow........that he was completely on the wrong coast. What is that saying "what goes around, comes around"

[Sundayrain]

What blog are you referring to? I'd like to have the opportunity to take a peek at it. Thanks
Now, I have to go and see where I was..........I'll look back........
I was on Jennifers site, could it have been a blog on there? Have to go backwards to see..........hummm
Ok I found the spot......it is on Jennifers site.....thenI went to look at the video ..In the Recent Comments area go there you will see a highlighted
area saying "flaresident.com" The words are under post #9 Posted 6/14/07
Some of it says this........" I believe everybody knows this kid, likes him and is protecting him"
It talks about a jeep.....and that word is enlarged like it means something.........? I think the poster knows who owns the jeep IMO.
Then states " I believe someone who lives there...(more then one person, including the person who reported the car there) knows who parked the car there.
quote........" this kid may have know about the pool cameras ,and made it look like he was walking down the street" Now get this part of the posting.......
" He could of just walked around the building, re-entered from Americana and slipped into his MOMS home"
That was what I got from that site..........
The name or initials might have come from me going onto Brians Predictions.........I am thinking now.

[cheko1]

Great, great step with bringing her story out in the open again.
I just went to Jennifers blog area.
Anyone know who this young boy is, who is mentioned.
Someone was talking about a young boy. Asian,small, who parts his hair like that. What I thought was the most interesting is how they discribed how he could of parked and gone to "his mothers house" that is on the
street behind .........think the name was "Americana street".......or something like that. The person mentioning, that he was a nice boy but
someone is protecting him.........
I was a bit floored by this blogger being so into this young teen as
a POI. Think he gave the name of him.......even. ( I think anyhow, as all of the blogging was flooring me)
Wondering what you all know. Getting his fingerprints could be a big answer.........
I get so frustrated ,that I even go to Brians Predictions......just because of needed answers that don't come.
His predictions........seem to back up the bloggers......
So now I am in a big, big, wonderment......are they finally getting close.
I'm praying...........

I also pray something good becomes of this.
I also heard before local LE doesn't want help.
Yet they fail to do there job. I get so darn mad
at LE what pompous azzes!

[SeriouslySearching]

Their equipment alone is reason for EquuSearch to become involved, IMO. They have been using Hi-tech equipment for underwater searches and ground searches long before OPD even thought of bringing it in after the firefighter's disappearance recently. Their expertise is missing persons.

OPD does not have the manpower, money, or the time to expend resources on this case further which is part of the problem. They have other cases, not just Jennifer's, to work on and her case is either cold (most people here would agree) or it is soon going to become another cold case file. After 18 months, it is past time to bring in outside help to find Jenn.

The grid search would begin where the case started...as EquuSearch has done in other cases. The grounds, the lakes, and the areas of construction where she could have been left which are now fully built need to be gone over again. If LE can give any reason to expand beyond this area, it can be done...but if there isn't...start over. (I also would want EquuSearch to go back over where LE's searched previously due to their equipment and not allow LE to refuse this request.)

Evidence (2 cell phones, wallet, CCs, etc.or a weapon) could be found as close as in the lake across from her apartment. Certainly, this would be a break in Jenn's case.

If there is a one in a million chance, EquuSearch could find Jennifer...I would absolutely take it. They do not do this for money or fame. They do this to bring missing daughters or sons home to their families. Jennifer deserves to come home and we have seen the track record for EquuSearch. They have surpassed every Law Enforcement office in the country for finding our missing, IMO.

As far as the black box is concerned, it can tell us a few things about the time Jennifer went missing: It records if seat belts were used, which would be an excellent clue as to the timing of her abduction because I doubt the perp would use his while abducting Jenn, it records speed at that very time, an indication he took side streets away from the apartment or could indicate how far he drove if he took the interstate/highway/causeway before he slowed or used the brakes, and some black boxes contain other information useful for other than traffic accidents.

It would be a question I would request from OPD to answer...if they had this black box read at the time they went over her car. If not, why not? Would there be any way to retrieve it from the person who has the vehicle now? If the person or company would cooperate, it would not interfere with the vehicle other than to allow time for the manufacturer or other entity to retrieve this information as it downloads into a specialized system. Not many police departments have the equipment (due to cost) to run this so I feel they did not obtain this information while the car was in their possession.

[UCFAlumni2002]

Their equipment alone is reason for EquuSearch to become involved, IMO. They have been using Hi-tech equipment for underwater searches and ground searches long before OPD even thought of bringing it in after the firefighter's disappearance recently. Their expertise is missing persons.

OPD does not have the manpower, money, or the time to expend resources on this case further which is part of the problem. They have other cases, not just Jennifer's, to work on and her case is either cold (most people here would agree) or it is soon going to become another cold case file. After 18 months, it is past time to bring in outside help to find Jenn.

The grid search would begin where the case started...as EquuSearch has done in other cases. The grounds, the lakes, and the areas of construction where she could have been left which are now fully built need to be gone over again. If LE can give any reason to expand beyond this area, it can be done...but if there isn't...start over. (I also would want EquuSearch to go back over where LE's searched previously due to their equipment and not allow LE to refuse this request.)

Evidence (2 cell phones, wallet, CCs, etc.or a weapon) could be found as close as in the lake across from her apartment. Certainly, this would be a break in Jenn's case.

If there is a one in a million chance, EquuSearch could find Jennifer...I would absolutely take it. They do not do this for money or fame. They do this to bring missing daughters or sons home to their families. Jennifer deserves to come home and we have seen the track record for EquuSearch. They have surpassed every Law Enforcement office in the country for finding our missing, IMO.

As far as the black box is concerned, it can tell us a few things about the time Jennifer went missing: It records if seat belts were used, which would be an excellent clue as to the timing of her abduction because I doubt the perp would use his while abducting Jenn, it records speed at that very time, an indication he took side streets away from the apartment or could indicate how far he drove if he took the interstate/highway/causeway before he slowed or used the brakes, and some black boxes contain other information useful for other than traffic accidents.

It would be a question I would request from OPD to answer...if they had this black box read at the time they went over her car. If not, why not? Would there be any way to retrieve it from the person who has the vehicle now? If the person or company would cooperate, it would not interfere with the vehicle other than to allow time for the manufacturer or other entity to retrieve this information as it downloads into a specialized system. Not many police departments have the equipment (due to cost) to run this so I feel they did not obtain this information while the car was in their possession.

I have to admit that you have a really good argument here! Thank you for having the passion to keep thinking about Jenn.

[SeriouslySearching]

She has become everyone's daughter, so to speak. It could happen to any one of us who have raised independent, intelligent women who are branching out across the US to begin their own lives. They don't practice risky behaviors and yet are as subject to abduction or going missing as the ones who do.

The very least any of us can do is to keep searching and asking questions until she is found then bring her home to her loving parents, family, and friends.