Thread No. 21

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[DEPUTYDAWG]

Thank you, Chico!

[jilly]

Thanks Chico!:)

So......does anyone know what jy bought Michelle for gifts before he murdered her?
I was reading on another site and one poster didn't think it was unusual for a husband to buy his wife a purse (a Coach one at that) since her husband had bought her one. This was the second Coach purse apparently from her husband.

I have this feeling that he wasn't so extravagant or thoughtful with Michelle.

[The Saint]

in college, it must have been very challenging for jason to have earned
the nickname "Booty Boy" while wearing a chastity belt.

[Stoli]

Thanks Chico!:)

So......does anyone know what jy bought Michelle for gifts before he murdered her?
I was reading on another site and one poster didn't think it was unusual for a husband to buy his wife a purse (a Coach one at that) since her husband had bought her one. This was the second Coach purse apparently from her husband.

I have this feeling that he wasn't so extravagant or thoughtful with Michelle.

I'm sure that's something LE looks at; patterns and past behavior. If the actions of the husband prior do and immediately following the murder are outside of normal behaviors, I'm sure they take that into consideration. It isn't proof of murder but it can certainly lead them in the right direction. JMHO

[Train]

Thanks Chico!:)

So......does anyone know what jy bought Michelle for gifts before he murdered her?
I was reading on another site and one poster didn't think it was unusual for a husband to buy his wife a purse (a Coach one at that) since her husband had bought her one. This was the second Coach purse apparently from her husband.

I have this feeling that he wasn't so extravagant or thoughtful with Michelle.


I don't honestly find receiving a Coach purse for a gift all that unusual, especially since she may have asked for one, but what I do find unusual is the tardiness in which that gift was to have been received. It says "after thought" to me, and as sad as it is to think, I truly believe Michelle was at times, just an after thought.

[liveoutloud]

I'm sure that's something LE looks at; patterns and past behavior. If the actions of the husband prior do and immediately following the murder are outside of normal behaviors, I'm sure they take that into consideration. It isn't proof of murder but it can certainly lead them in the right direction. JMHO


I agree.
Patterns like checking voicemail or calling home?

[The Saint]

RE: jake saying that cassidy and jason have a "wonderful relationship."

jason annihilates the little girl's mother, she witnesses it and he leaves her with the corpse.

then he takes his daughter to Disneyworld to try to make up for it.
it doesn't exactly qualify him for Father of the Year.

[Train]

I agree.
Patterns like checking voicemail or calling home?


And I wonder just how far he veered away from his "normal" routine during those early days in November.

[The Saint]

jake,

jason sought the counsel of a minister and showed him scratches that he said his wife had given him.

according to you, jason is "weak."

or was jason crafting his murder plot?

just weeks before michelle was murdered, jason told people that "michelle was acting crazy" and he didn't know what to do with her, he told coworkers that she was pestering him at work saying that she heard noises in the backyard, and he showed a pastor scratches that he claimed michelle had given him.

very calculated.
premeditated murder.

(i find it puzzling that jake ridicules people seeking help from mental health care professional and ministers, the very people that are comprised of his family members.

he denigrates their chosen professions by saying only the weak seek their help.}

[jilly]

I'm sure that's something LE looks at; patterns and past behavior. If the actions of the husband prior do and immediately following the murder are outside of normal behaviors, I'm sure they take that into consideration. It isn't proof of murder but it can certainly lead them in the right direction. JMHO

Yes - another piece of the circumstantial puzzle.

[Jubal]

jake,

jason sought the counsel of a minister and showed him scratches that he said his wife had given him.

according to you, jason is "weak."

or was jason crafting his murder plot?

just weeks before michelle was murdered, jason told people that "michelle was acting crazy" and he didn't know what to do with her, he told coworkers that she was pestering him at work saying that she heard noises in the backyard, and he showed a pastor scratches that he claimed michelle had given him.

very calculated.
premeditated murder.

(i find it puzzling that jake ridicules people seeking help from mental health care professional and ministers, the very people that are comprised of his family members.

he denigrates their chosen professions by saying only the weak seek their help.}

Maybe he forgot we know that.

[jilly]

I don't honestly find receiving a Coach purse for a gift all that unusual, especially since she may have asked for one, but what I do find unusual is the tardiness in which that gift was to have been received. It says "after thought" to me, and as sad as it is to think, I truly believe Michelle was at times, just an after thought.

We've had the story of him consulting with her friends over purses and Michelle's approval. I don't know. Personally I would not buy a purse - especially a costly Coach for anyone unless they pointed out exactly which one they wanted. They have so many styles.
My dh would never dream of buying me a purse nor would I want him or anyone else to buy me one. Somehow, I don't think that jy would have gone to all this thought and expense on Michelle.

When you say "after thought", are you thinking that he really was planning on getting this purse or using it as an excuse just to get Meredith into the house. I believe the latter.

[Train]

We've had the story of him consulting with her friends over purses and Michelle's approval. I don't know. Personally I would not buy a purse - especially a costly Coach for anyone unless they pointed out exactly which one they wanted. They have so many styles.
My dh would never dream of buying me a purse nor would I want him or anyone else to buy me one. Somehow, I don't think that jy would have gone to all this thought and expense on Michelle.

When you say "after thought", are you thinking that he really was planning on getting this purse or using it as an excuse just to get Meredith into the house. I believe the latter.

I'm saying "after thought" as an excuse to get Meredith to go to the house, no matter what the gift might have been. I'm wondering if he would have even bought her anything at all seeing how he was so late in the first place. I'm sure Michelle mentioned to him and to their friends more than once how he forgot to get her a gift. He used it as his excuse. A lame one too, IMO.

[MelindaG]

Jake, your coments about folks who seek counsel for thier problems being weak really bothers me. Made me wonder if your soul is in crisis. I thought about it all night and then this morning at church I was reminded:

[jake]

jake,

jason sought the counsel of a minister and showed him scratches that he said his wife had given him.

according to you, jason is "weak."

or was jason crafting his murder plot?

just weeks before michelle was murdered, jason told people that "michelle was acting crazy" and he didn't know what to do with her, he told coworkers that she was pestering him at work saying that she heard noises in the backyard, and he showed a pastor scratches that he claimed michelle had given him.

very calculated.
premeditated murder.

(i find it puzzling that jake ridicules people seeking help from mental health care professional and ministers, the very people that are comprised of his family members.

he denigrates their chosen professions by saying only the weak seek their help.}

And ministers? And ministers? What's wrong with your fantastic memory, Saint. Go read.

Who did I say offers help in time of crisis? Family.... yeah. Friends....yeah. And.....????

[jake]

Maybe he forgot we know that.

Jake forgot nothing. Help Saint remember what I said.

[SueY]

Jake, your coments about folks who seek counsel for thier problems being weak really bothers me. Made me wonder if your soul is in crisis. I thought about it all night and then this morning at church I was reminded:
I sought and was helped with grief counseling a few years ago. I had supportive but not geographically close family, and good friends around me. I don't consider myself a weak person, at all. It was good to share thoughts and feelings with people who really did understand. Grieving is one of those things that people do in their own way in their own time. However, there is a process to human grief and, although you can put it off (especially when you have a child to care for), you can't circumvent it. It will catch up with you at some point. Interestingly enough, to me anyway, I found the second year after the death of my loved one the most difficult.
I would hate to be in JY's shoes.

[jake]

Jake, your coments about folks who seek counsel for thier problems being weak really bothers me. Made me wonder if your soul is in crisis. I thought about it all night and then this morning at church I was reminded:

I reckon you forgot the reminded part. That's all right. I get your point.

Keep in mind the feminazis have been at us for 40 years now. They want us to believe that men should be more like women.

We should feel the pain. We should share our pain. We should get in touch with our feelings. We should learn to cry. We should hug and kiss, men and women. We should have our grief counselor on our personal hot line. "I love you man!"

Thank God not all men have fallen for that bull. A man is not a woman. They are different. Live with it.

My soul is fine. No crisis here.

[jake]

I sought and was helped with grief counseling a few years ago. I had supportive but not geographically close family, and good friends around me. I don't consider myself a weak person, at all. It was good to share thoughts and feelings with people who really did understand. Grieving is one of those things that people do in their own way in their own time. However, there is a process to human grief and, although you can put it off (especially when you have a child to care for), you can't circumvent it. It will catch up with you at some point. Interestingly enough, to me anyway, I found the second year after the death of my loved one the most difficult.
I would hate to be in JY's shoes.

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.

[Schmerty_Jones]

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.

And who or what do we need to teach us how to live? Especially to teach us how to prevent loss of life or NOT TO TAKE LIVES?:(

[SueY]

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.
Where did I say grief was something to be avoided?
Where did I say it is not part of life?
Where did I say a counselor teaches how to grieve?

[Stoli]

Maybe if Jason had sought the services of a reputable counselor, he would have found other less destructive means of dealing with his personal problems. JMHO

[Train]

Well, SueY, you make it sound as if GRIEF is something to be avoided. You make it sound as if it is not part of life.

Face it. It is. We grieve, and then we live our lives. We don't need a grief counselor to teach us how to grieve.


Since when does a grief counselor teach us how to grieve? Last I knew, they helped us cope through one's own grief process. I hardly think SueY was implying that grief should be avoided. Do you like being sad, Jake?

Because I don't think anyone wishes to be sad, so when they are, there's nothing wrong with seeking the guidance of a trained professional especially if the sadness has affected their functioning in every day life.

[jilly]

I'm saying "after thought" as an excuse to get Meredith to go to the house, no matter what the gift might have been. I'm wondering if he would have even bought her anything at all seeing how he was so late in the first place. I'm sure Michelle mentioned to him and to their friends more than once how he forgot to get her a gift. He used it as his excuse. A lame one too, IMO.

Thanks for responding Train. I think you're right about their friends knowing how he neglected her. I personally don't believe he gave a hoot about their anniversary. I'll go a step further and say it's mo that at the time of the anniversary he was planning on how he would get out of the marriage.

[Jubal]

I reckon you forgot the reminded part. That's all right. I get your point.

Keep in mind the feminazis have been at us for 40 years now. They want us to believe that men should be more like women.

We should feel the pain. We should share our pain. We should get in touch with our feelings. We should learn to cry. We should hug and kiss, men and women. We should have our grief counselor on our personal hot line. "I love you man!"

Thank God not all men have fallen for that bull. A man is not a woman. They are different. Live with it.

My soul is fine. No crisis here.

Can you honestly say the same for your friend?

Men who can relate to women don't generally beat them. Men who see women as individuals, each one as unique as each man is (the way God sees us all), don't figure that when you get tired of one, you just whack her over the head and move on. Men in touch with their feelings realize that you can't replace a child's Mommy just by finding a new wife. MOO.

So what are you? A Machonazi?

[sweetmop]

Well I believe that the feminist movement(feminazis, per jake) is not about men being more like women. While I believe anyone that knows me, would never describe me as a feminist either, I believe that the whole feminist movement was because women wanted equality with men. They wanted the same treatment given a man. Not thought of as a lesser person but as a man's equal. Equal pay for the same work, 50/50 in a relationship, etc. I think I know where jake may stand on this. Of course, I believe we are probably from different generations.
I personally think a REAL man does show his emotions and can relate to how a woman feels or thinks about a situation. Yes, we are different, but a man can show his emotions, and I believe that healthy, well adjusted men do.


eta: jake you sound as though you may have some anger issues. Maybe you really should get in touch with a counselor for yourself.

[jake]

Where did I say grief was something to be avoided?
Where did I say it is not part of life?
Where did I say a counselor teaches how to grieve?

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.

[jake]

Since when does a grief counselor teach us how to grieve? Last I knew, they helped us cope through one's own grief process. I hardly think SueY was implying that grief should be avoided. Do you like being sad, Jake?

Because I don't think anyone wishes to be sad, so when they are, there's nothing wrong with seeking the guidance of a trained professional especially if the sadness has affected their functioning in every day life.

As I have said before, if you need it, get it. Don't assume everyone needs it. We were talking about Jason.

[jake]

Can you honestly say the same for your friend?

Men who can relate to women don't generally beat them. Men who see women as individuals, each one as unique as each man is (the way God sees us all), don't figure that when you get tired of one, you just whack her over the head and move on. Men in touch with their feelings realize that you can't replace a child's Mommy just by finding a new wife. MOO.

So what are you? A Machonazi?

You'll have to ask Rush about that machonazi thing.

I'll agree with you if you'll take that "generally" from your first sentence. Real men don't beat women. Period.

[sweetmop]

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.


jake I really believe you could gain alot from seeing a counselor yourself.Someone with an unbiased take on all you have been handling over the past several months.
You are under an enormous amount of stress, and don't realize what it's doing to you. A counselor would help teach you how to handle all the stress you're under from the worry and strife you carry over Jason's situation. I do believe you would benefit, and be pleasantly surprised.

[jake]

Well I believe that the feminist movement(feminazis, per jake) is not about men being more like women. While I believe anyone that knows me, would never describe me as a feminist either, I believe that the whole feminist movement was because women wanted equality with men. They wanted the same treatment given a man. Not thought of as a lesser person but as a man's equal. Equal pay for the same work, 50/50 in a relationship, etc. I think I know where jake may stand on this. Of course, I believe we are probably from different generations.
I personally think a REAL man does show his emotions and can relate to how a woman feels or thinks about a situation. Yes, we are different, but a man can show his emotions, and I believe that healthy, well adjusted men do.


eta: jake you sound as though you may have some anger issues. Maybe you really should get in touch with a counselor for yourself.

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

[Jubal]

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.

I think many of us are out of touch with our feelings. Our culture encourages detachment. MOO.

[sweetmop]

jake there is a fine line between anger and grief. Grief is a reaction to a loss. There are many types of loss.
And I agree, a fly rod can be a great help, a comfort even. Just take care of you, in the best way you can, as you say.
You didn't look real hard jake if you didn't see a nurse there today.

We go over quite alot. Love that tranquil place, a little bit of Heaven...

[sweetmop]

I think many of us are out of touch with our feelings. Our culture encourages detachment. MOO.


I totally agree, Jubal. Love your name by the way.
And, love your posts too.

[MelindaG]

Hey Jake---Is Jason keeping his football ticket rights?

[Jubal]

I totally agree, Jubal. Love your name by the way.
And, love your posts too.

Thank you. Sometimes I do a lot of deleting.

[panthera]

Here's a link to the MLS listing for the house :) I was wondering if anyone knows if the master bedroom is in the photo link??

(click on the listing where it says Media 10).

http://trianglelistings.marketlinx.com/SearchDetail/Scripts/PrtBuyFul/PrtBuyFul.asp?EMailKey=18374432&prp=mls&AgentID=R22712

[The Saint]

I reckon you forgot the reminded part. That's all right. I get your point.

Keep in mind the feminazis have been at us for 40 years now. They want us to believe that men should be more like women.

We should feel the pain. We should share our pain. We should get in touch with our feelings. We should learn to cry. We should hug and kiss, men and women. We should have our grief counselor on our personal hot line. "I love you man!"

Thank God not all men have fallen for that bull. A man is not a woman. They are different. Live with it.

My soul is fine. No crisis here.

that's what you think.

all women ask if that their men don't abuse or kill them.

[The Saint]

You'll have to ask Rush about that machonazi thing.

I'll agree with you if you'll take that "generally" from your first sentence. Real men don't beat women. Period.

jay flunked the test for being a real man. he beat his woman to death.

[Jubal]

that's what you think.

all women ask if that their men don't abuse or kill them.

Mine has to mow. As well as that don't abuse and kill stuff.

[sweetmop]

jay flunked the test for being a real man. he beat his woman to death.

Yes JY flunked the " real man ' test.
He flunked so many ' tests ' before the killing too, wish Michelle had picked up on that before it was too late for her! She just didn't want to believe what she saw, or just couldn't believe it, I guess.


Jason has continued his failing of many tests since then also.
Why can't his family and friends see it?

[spring]

Yes JY flunked the " real man ' test.
He flunked so many ' tests ' before the killing too, wish Michelle had picked up on that before it was too late for her! She just didn't want to believe what she saw, or just couldn't believe it, I guess.


Jason has continued his failing of many tests since then also.
Why can't his family and friends see it?


i think they do see it. i just think they believe it is a reflection of them and how jy turned out. one day though, they have to stop enabling.

[The Saint]

And ministers? And ministers? What's wrong with your fantastic memory, Saint. Go read.

Who did I say offers help in time of crisis? Family.... yeah. Friends....yeah. And.....????

my memory is fine, jake. some might even say photographic.

here are your posts where you state that weak people seek help from counselors.

now are you trying to shade your comments to say it's ok to seek help from counselors and ministers as long as you know them, are related to them or they don't charge you for the session?

all are jake's quotes on Thread 20

#527
That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

#554

I agree. Those who are too weak to stand on their own, those who need the help of others--- certainly those people should seek help. Nothing at all wrong with that. That's why we have counselors.

#555
"too good" huh? Well, think what you want. The service should be for the weak people, not the little people. Most of us little people are strong enough to carry our burdens.


#602
But you haven't seen my actions. I'm not weak enough yet for a therapist to help. Did that therapist ever help Tony Soprano?Originally Posted by jake View Post
That makes sense, Jubal. There are things I talk to my medical doctor about that I wouldn't share with family or friends. Some things are just too personal for that.

But for support in a time of crisis, I would not rely on grief counselors and such. I'd turn to those close to me. That's what Jason did.

[The Saint]

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

what, JTF couldn't make the fishing trip?
why didn't you take that gal who says she likes to fly fish w/ her dad? she might very helpful at a time like this.

[jake]

Mine has to mow. As well as that don't abuse and kill stuff.

Oh, no, Jubal! Wish you hadn't done that. Now somebody will have Michelle out in the hot sun all last summer, mowing, while Jason dons his wet suit and searches everywhere for a Coach purse.

[sweetmop]

i think they do see it. i just think they believe it is a reflection of them and how jy turned out. one day though, they have to stop enabling.

Well you make a good point, spring. Enabling, that is for sure. A hard habit to break too. As, it's most likely been going on a long long time, even pre murder I would imagine.
I have 2 sons and a daughter. I love them dearly. But, if God forbid, they were ever responsible for such a horrific crime as Jason Young is, I would still love them, but by golly there would be some harsh real talking to them and they would be standing accountable for their actions, though my heart would be breaking. I just don't understand how a parent can know in their heart the real truth and play along with " his charades". It seems for the mental health of all, he should be made to get re.al and tell the truth. Mama needs to sit down with her one and only son and have a real heart to heart with him. Enough is enough!

[The Saint]

Jake forgot nothing. Help Saint remember what I said.

whew, you ARE detached, jake. you're talking about yourself in the third person now.

[spring]

Well you make a good point, spring. Enabling, that is for sure. A hard habit to break too. As, it's most likely been going on a long long time, even pre murder I would imagine.
I have 2 sons and a daughter. I love them dearly. But, if God forbid, they were ever responsible for such a horrific crime as Jason Young is, I would still love them, but by golly there would be some harsh real talking to them and they would be standing accountable for their actions, though my heart would be breaking. I just don't understand how a parent can know in their heart the real truth and play along with " his charades". It seems for the mental health of all, he should be made to get re.al and tell the truth. Mama needs to sit down with her one and only son and have a real heart to heart with him. Enough is enough!


there's your difference too :) you would make yours face punishment. they probably have always dealt with punishment. i think the enablers have taken care of jy his entire life. they have always taken care of the poor little boy who lost his dad. well, he's not the poor little boy anymore.

[Train]

Oh, no, Jubal! Wish you hadn't done that. Now somebody will have Michelle out in the hot sun all last summer, mowing, while Jason dons his wet suit and searches everywhere for a Coach purse.


Actually, it was late fall, she was 5 months pregnant and freezing to the point of having to wear a hooded sweatshirt to bed when Jason was busy getting that Coach purse evidence ready. Can't say as if I ever believed the wet suit theory so I'll leave that part out.

[concernedperson]

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

Did you have a Dr. G. anywhere in tow?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Did you have a Dr. G. anywhere in tow?


;) Maybe doing an individual profile?
Nice to see you, CP.

[The Saint]

"feminazis?"
:woohoo:
somebody is mighty skeered of women

[The Saint]

You'll have to ask Rush about that machonazi thing.

I'll agree with you if you'll take that "generally" from your first sentence. Real men don't beat women. Period.

don't listen to Rush - he's on drugs and that's the least of his problems.

[The Saint]

Oh, no, Jubal! Wish you hadn't done that. Now somebody will have Michelle out in the hot sun all last summer, mowing, while Jason dons his wet suit and searches everywhere for a Coach purse.

gosh, jake. isn't enough that your friend, the beast jason, smashed michelle's skull and sent her teeth flying all over the bedroom? it's not funny.

[jake]

jake,

jason sought the counsel of a minister and showed him scratches that he said his wife had given him.

according to you, jason is "weak."

or was jason crafting his murder plot?

just weeks before michelle was murdered, jason told people that "michelle was acting crazy" and he didn't know what to do with her, he told coworkers that she was pestering him at work saying that she heard noises in the backyard, and he showed a pastor scratches that he claimed michelle had given him.

very calculated.
premeditated murder.

(i find it puzzling that jake ridicules people seeking help from mental health care professional and ministers, the very people that are comprised of his family members.

he denigrates their chosen professions by saying only the weak seek their help.}

Ah, Saint, not a photographic memory. A SELECTIVE memory!

You chose to forget that I said STRONG people will not need to seek the help of strangers. Jason has relied on friends, family, church.

Now you remember?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

i think they do see it. i just think they believe it is a reflection of them and how jy turned out. one day though, they have to stop enabling.

Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

[Jubal]

Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

These people counsel about legal issues. It is not weakness to consult with them. They help us with our ignorance of the nuances of the law. Grief counselors help us with our ignorance of the nuances of loss.

MOO

[The Saint]

Ah, Saint, not a photographic memory. A SELECTIVE memory!

You chose to forget that I said STRONG people will not need to seek the help of strangers. Jason has relied on friends, family, church.

Now you remember?

i stand my the quotes i provided --- from my all encompassing not selective memory and the advanced search function.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

[jake]

Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do?

[Jubal]

i stand my the quotes i provided --- from my all encompassing not selective memory and the advanced search function.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

THAT's a big 10-4!

[jake]

These people counsel about legal issues. It is not weakness to consult with them. They help us with our ignorance of the nuances of the law. Grief counselors help us with our ignorance of the nuances of loss.

MOO

You are ignorant of loss. I am not.

[sweetmop]

i stand my the quotes i provided --- from my all encompassing not selective memory and the advanced search function.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.


AMEN!!!

[Jubal]

You are ignorant of loss. I am not.

I have experienced it. The experience, and much reading, and discussions with a counselor have alleviated the ignorance to some degree.

By the time we get to your age, or mine, Jake, we certainly have experienced many different emotional conditions. Doesn't preclude the desire to have a chat about it with somebody trained to know what we are going through.

[spring]

is someone getting ready to go postal on a message board?

:eek:

[Jubal]

is someone getting ready to go postal on a message board?

:eek:

Not I.

[The Saint]

Hmmm. You want to get personal with me, do you? Okay.

thank's for the invitation. i'll jump at it.

what if one of your daughters had married jason instead of michelle? What if it were your daughter and your unborn grandson who laid battered, bloody and lifeless in that master bedroom?

would you still feel the same as you do about jason?
would you consider MassComm's 23 points and still feel that jason had nothing to do with the murder?

[Jubal]

thank's for the invitation. i'll jump at it.

what if one of your daughters had married jason instead of michelle? What if it were your daughter and your unborn grandson who laid battered, bloody and lifeless in that master bedroom?

would you still feel the same as you do about jason?
would you consider MassComm's 23 points and still feel that jason had nothing to do with the murder?

Ah, yes. My mother's favorite phrase.

"How would you feel if somebody did that to you?"

The oft-repeated lesson in empathy.

[jake]

thank's for the invitation. i'll jump at it.

what if one of your daughters had married jason instead of michelle? What if it were your daughter and your unborn grandson who laid battered, bloody and lifeless in that master bedroom?

would you still feel the same as you do about jason?
would you consider MassComm's 23 points and still feel that jason had nothing to do with the murder?

Those 23 points are ridiculous. They were posted to convince the ignorant.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

[jake]

Ah, yes. My mother's favorite phrase.

"How would you feel if somebody did that to you?"

The oft-repeated lesson in empathy.

You obviously know nothing about empathy.

feeling of concern and understanding for another's situation or feelings.

[spring]

You obviously know nothing about empathy.

feeling of concern and understanding for another's situation or feelings.


are you trying out your new stand up comedy routine here? that's the funniest thing i have ever heard you say.

how much empathy do you have for the fishers? and do you have any understanding what it's like to be beaten to death and try to fend someone off who might hurt your children? how about empathy for that baby? i have heard it took 8 minutes for that baby to squirm and try to get oxygen. tell us all about empathy why don't you.

[spring]

how much empathy do you have for a little girl who will never know her mother? how much empathy do you have that Cassidy's children will never know their grandmother. how much empathy do you have that Cassidy will always have the emptiness of never having the special bond that a mother and daughter have.

you want to talk about empathy some more?

[spring]

look at that house on birchleaf. look at that empty swingset. there should be a little girl out there and a mommy pushing a baby boy. or imagine the rocking chairs on the front porch. a lap for each baby.

Cassidy will never know that little brother.

[spring]

can't you imagine two little children in that big back yard, running after Mr. G.

someone had the audacity to hope that a wonderful family will have a happy life in that home like MICHELLE was supposed to have. i think that was such a crass remark. that was MICHELLE'S home and MICHELLE'S life. it was all taken away.

[5bigfish5]

So grief is a part of life. Why do we need a counselor to teach us how to accept that part of life, or whatever he does? We don't need a happy counselor to teach us to accept joy.

Trust me!

Jason Young, IF I am to believe you, hasn't even tried to confront what demons are in front of him.

Mortal is but "man", he is leaving his soul on the line. I don't envy him.

What are we going to do in the meantime to INSURE that "C" NEVER meets the same fate as her mommy? WHO is going to guard her through EVERY SINGLE second of her teen-age years?

Yada,Yada.Yada ...heard it all before, JY is a "perfect specimen" of a husband and father, except...OOOOPS, his wife is missing on a night when he just so happens to be able to pretend that he is out of town.

((YAWN))

Read 'Em & Weep!

5BigFish5

[Jubal]

You obviously know nothing about empathy.

feeling of concern and understanding for another's situation or feelings.

There is nothing abut me that is obvious to you.

Where is your empathy for Michelle?

[5bigfish5]

As I have said before, if you need it, get it. Don't assume everyone needs it. We were talking about Jason.

WHO gives you the right to speak for Jason?

I for one would like SOMEONE...ANYONE! to Speak for Jason, EXCEPT a third-door neighbor "twice removed".

Just sayin'

[DEPUTYDAWG]

These people counsel about legal issues. It is not weakness to consult with them. They help us with our ignorance of the nuances of the law. Grief counselors help us with our ignorance of the nuances of loss.

MOO

I hope you realized I agree with your takes. I also don't believe it's a weakness for someone to gain insight and assistance - if someone wants it, they should get it. If they don't feel they need it (at the time), that's okay too. I'd say that's pretty obvious for most, wouldn't you? Then again, many who actually need it the most, are the last to recognize it - you know, that denial aspect. JMO.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

is someone getting ready to go postal on a message board?

:eek:

I would bet criminal defense profilers and consultants assisting a family would be well aware of the strengths and weaknesses in all key defense family members and friends, wouldn't you? Just sayin'....

Then again, the profiler and consultants may not spend as much time worried about fringe players. JMO, of course.

[raisincharlie]

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do?


Tell us about Dr. Godwin Jake. If you don't know about him, you really don't know what you think you know and if you can't confirm his presence in this case I for one will definitely know you are much less than honorable, in fact down right dishonest.

Going to spill the beans about him ?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Tell us about Dr. Godwin Jake. If you don't know about him, you really don't know what you think you know and if you can't confirm his presence in this case I for one will definitely know you are much less than honorable, in fact down right dishonest.

Going to spill the beans about him ?

Mornin' RC!
Is it hot up your way, hot enough to pop "popcorn" on the sidewalk?

[raisincharlie]

Mornin' RC!
Is it hot up your way, hot enough to pop "popcorn" on the sidewalk?

It may get that way.:D

[jake]

I have experienced it. The experience, and much reading, and discussions with a counselor have alleviated the ignorance to some degree.

By the time we get to your age, or mine, Jake, we certainly have experienced many different emotional conditions. Doesn't preclude the desire to have a chat about it with somebody trained to know what we are going through.

Yes it does. The morally bankrupt wallow in their grief. They love it. They love to chat about it. They're in hog heaven.

Jason is morally strong. He accepts grief as a part of life and proceeds to raise his daughter.

I like to think that is what I would do.

[icefun]

Tell us about Dr. Godwin Jake. If you don't know about him, you really don't know what you think you know and if you can't confirm his presence in this case I for one will definitely know you are much less than honorable, in fact down right dishonest.

Going to spill the beans about him ?

Wow - Dr. Godwin,......seriously Raisincharlie.......hopefully, this will get us somewhere. He is really good at what he does. Tell us more if you can.

[jake]

There is nothing abut me that is obvious to you.

Where is your empathy for Michelle?

My empathy is with Jason and Cassie, the living. You confuse sorrow with empathy. If you have any, show it for the living.

[jake]

Tell us about Dr. Godwin Jake. If you don't know about him, you really don't know what you think you know and if you can't confirm his presence in this case I for one will definitely know you are much less than honorable, in fact down right dishonest.

Going to spill the beans about him ?

Don't forget morally weak, along with Jason.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

You have any more personal insults?

[raisincharlie]

Don't forget morally weak, along with Jason.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.


Did you note your post number for this garbage by any chance - 666

How appropriate.

[Smugshots]

Don't forget morally weak, along with Jason.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

You have any more personal insults?


Put the cuckoo back in the clock.

What's this got to do with RC's question about Dr. Godwin?

[Bellgardin]

Tell us about Dr. Godwin Jake. If you don't know about him, you really don't know what you think you know and if you can't confirm his presence in this case I for one will definitely know you are much less than honorable, in fact down right dishonest.

Going to spill the beans about him ?

Don't forget morally weak, along with Jason.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.

You have any more personal insults?

Your reply has nothing to do with RC's question. I would really like to hear what you have to say about Dr. Godwin.

[liveoutloud]

You obviously know nothing about empathy.

feeling of concern and understanding for another's situation or feelings.


Jake:

You can't even give a good definition of the word empathy. Furthermore, I've yet to see any evidence coming from your posts that you have more than a passing acquaintance via the dictionary of the word and what it means.

[jake]

Jake:

You can't even give a good definition of the word empathy. Furthermore, I've yet to see any evidence coming from your posts that you have more than a passing acquaintance via the dictionary of the word and what it means.

Those who have it have strong moral character. They don't need a dictionary. Jason doesn't need a dictionary. Get yourself a good one that you can share.

[Smugshots]

Those who have it have strong moral character. They don't need a dictionary. Jason doesn't need a dictionary. Get yourself a good one that you can share.

Someone that has strong moral character doesn't sit silent and do nothing to help find the person(s) who killed his pregnant wife.

[raisincharlie]

Those who have it have strong moral character. They don't need a dictionary. Jason doesn't need a dictionary. Get yourself a good one that you can share.

What about Dr. Godwin Jake ? You don't seem to want to address this, is there a problem with what he found that doesn't look good ?

[liveoutloud]

Those who have it have strong moral character. They don't need a dictionary. Jason doesn't need a dictionary. Get yourself a good one that you can share.


I already know without having to consult a dictionary what empathy means and how it feels to possess the ability to empathize. Jason possesses none of the three qualitys you ascribe to him. He is not strong. He is so far from moral I can't even think of a good enough analogy. As for character? He may well be one but he doesn't possess any.

[Stoli]

Someone that has strong moral character doesn't sit silent and do nothing to help find the person(s) who killed his pregnant wife.


Do you suppose running into the arms of a mistress while a wife is pregnant also shows strong moral character to certain people?

[philamena]

Do you suppose running into the arms of a mistress while a wife is pregnant also shows strong moral character to certain people?
Exactly Stoli. This whole case is bizarre in many ways. May God bless all involved.

[Smugshots]

Do you suppose running into the arms of a mistress while a wife is pregnant also shows strong moral character to certain people?

Hi Stoli,

I thought of that right after I hit submit. I don't think Jake knows the real Jason, I don't think anyone in Jason's family knows the real Jason. The people on this board seem to know more about him then his family and friends do and they don't want to accept or know the truth about him.

Someone that has strong moral character doesn't cheated on his wife, speak in a deplorable way about his wife to his co-workers, treat his family to a trip his wife doesn't agree to, and the icing on the cake doing nothing to help solve his pregnant wife's murder.

[Bellgardin]

What about Dr. Godwin Jake ? You don't seem to want to address this, is there a problem with what he found that doesn't look good ?

What does raisincharlie mean by this post Jake?

Will you explain it to us??

[jake]

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Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do? What's a criminal defense attorney do for someone not charged with anything?

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi Stoli,

I thought of that right after I hit submit. I don't think Jake knows the real Jason, I don't think anyone in Jason's family knows the real Jason. The people on this board seem to know more about him then his family and friends do and they don't want to accept or know the truth about him.

Someone that has strong moral character doesn't cheated on his wife, speak in a deplorable way about his wife to his co-workers, treat his family to a trip his wife doesn't agree to, and the icing on the cake doing nothing to help solve his pregnant wife's murder.


I don't think a man of great moral strength would also lock his pregnant wife out of a hotel room approximately 3 weeks before her death. I do not know if that hotel incident is fact or not, but if it did indeed happen, whoa. If it did happen I would think it would come out if/when there is a trial. I am of the opinion that a man of great moral strength would be in better control of his emotions than to allow the anger get the best of him, don't you think?

[raisincharlie]

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Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do? What's a criminal defense attorney do for someone not charged with anything?

Ask Jason, he might know, he might tell you, and he might not.


ETA - Dep check your pms please.

[Bellgardin]

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Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do? What's a criminal defense attorney do for someone not charged with anything?

I think I'm just not getting something here Jake. Your answer above just doesn't make any sense to me.

Who is Dr. Godwin and what does he have to do with this case. Please don't post cryptic answers or re-post your previous posts.

I'm looking for an honest answer here, I'm confused.

[Smugshots]

I don't think a man of great moral strength would also lock his pregnant wife out of a hotel room approximately 3 weeks before her death. I do not know if that hotel incident is fact or not, but if it did indeed happen, whoa. If it did happen I would think it would come out if/when there is a trial. I am of the opinion that a man of great moral strength would be in better control of his emotions than to allow the anger get the best of him, don't you think?

:eek:

It just gets worse doesn't it.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Ask Jason, he might know, he might tell you, and he might not.


ETA - Dep check your pms please.

Got it. Thanks. Interesting.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

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Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do? What's a criminal defense attorney do for someone not charged with anything?

Those are broad questions; I know my explanations couldn't cover it, but I know there's a whole lot of information covering all that on the internet...and even books by certain profilers, etc.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

:eek:

It just gets worse doesn't it.

Yes indeed, IF it is true.

JMO.

[liveoutloud]

DeputyDawg, RaisinCharlie and Bellgardin, PLEASE check PMs. It's urgent. Thanks.

[jake]

I don't think a man of great moral strength would also lock his pregnant wife out of a hotel room approximately 3 weeks before her death. I do not know if that hotel incident is fact or not, but if it did indeed happen, whoa. If it did happen I would think it would come out if/when there is a trial. I am of the opinion that a man of great moral strength would be in better control of his emotions than to allow the anger get the best of him, don't you think?

You must have been at the end of the line when that rumor was passed.

A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on.

[5bigfish5]

DeputyDawg, RaisinCharlie and Bellgardin, PLEASE check PMs. It's urgent. Thanks.

Why do I feel like a red-headed stepchild? :boohoo:

5BigFish5

[Smugshots]

You must have been at the end of the line when that rumor was passed.

A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on.

How do you know it's not true? Just because the Jason you know would never do something like that, or did he tell you he never locked his pregnant wife out of their hotel room 3 weeks before she was murdered?

[Jubal]

Yes it does. The morally bankrupt wallow in their grief. They love it. They love to chat about it. They're in hog heaven.

Jason is morally strong. He accepts grief as a part of life and proceeds to raise his daughter.

I like to think that is what I would do.

Jason is not morally strong. From the CE available to us, I think Jason is a murderer, and hence, is not grieving at all.

That's why he seems so strong to you.

MOO

[spring]

You must have been at the end of the line when that rumor was passed.

A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on.


the one i heard was she locked him out. whichever way it was, there was a huge fight and a scene at the wedding.

[Jubal]

My empathy is with Jason and Cassie, the living. You confuse sorrow with empathy. If you have any, show it for the living.

For Cassie. I do not confuse anything.

Still, it's very difficult to think about this crime and not feel empathy for Michelle, fighting for her life.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

You must have been at the end of the line when that rumor was passed.

A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on.

You are absolutely correct that I was at the very end of the line, as I probably was the last to know. Many, many others were aware of this far before me. I prefaced it very clearly that I don't know if it happened. No way for me to check to find out if it's true. If there were people who witnessed it or heard it happening, etc...they would be the only ones that could have direct knowledge. All others, including yourself, do not know if it is true or not. Please note I did post another post regarding same subject that it was an IF whether it was true.

I think what I posted is no worse than much I have read for others who have slammed the likes of the murdered victim's mother and sister, FYI.

JMO.

[jake]

the one i heard was she locked him out. whichever way it was, there was a huge fight and a scene at the wedding.

The one I heard said Jason locked up the groom. He then stole the bride and swallowed her ring. He later sold the ring and fixed his furnace and garage door.

Who knows anything with all these people of low moral character running around.

[raisincharlie]

The one I heard said Jason locked up the groom. He then stole the bride and swallowed her ring. He later sold the ring and fixed his furnace and garage door.

Who knows anything with all these people of low moral character running around.

Hope you followed your own advice and confirmed that rumor before you posted it jake.

"A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on."


Now back to my question jake - Dr. Godwin - $50,000 dollar question ?

[raisincharlie]

DeputyDawg, RaisinCharlie and Bellgardin, PLEASE check PMs. It's urgent. Thanks.

Thank you very much liveoutloud :cool:

[jake]

Hope you followed your own advice and confirmed that rumor before you posted it jake.

"A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on."


Now back to my question jake - Dr. Godwin - $50,000 dollar question ?

Of course it's correct. I made it up.

[raisincharlie]

Of course it's correct. I made it up.


So invent your truth for Dr. Godwin.

[Bellgardin]

So invent your truth for Dr. Godwin.

Jake,

I must admit that your refusal to seriously answer raisincharlie's question about this whole Dr. Godwin thing has definitely piqued my curiosity. Is there a particular reason you are dancing around the issue?

[Bellgardin]

DeputyDawg, RaisinCharlie and Bellgardin, PLEASE check PMs. It's urgent. Thanks.

Done! Thank you VERY much!!!!! :p

[liveoutloud]

Thank you very much liveoutloud :cool:

You're welcome.
Hope that helps.

[raisincharlie]

You're welcome.
Hope that helps.

It definitely helps, as some would wish, a rumor confirmed. Appreciate it.:)

[liveoutloud]

It definitely helps, as some would wish, a rumor confirmed. Appreciate it.:)


Not a problem. Glad I could help with something!

[jake]

Hope you followed your own advice and confirmed that rumor before you posted it jake.

"A man with moral strength would at least check to see if he's got the rumor correct before passing it on."


Now back to my question jake - Dr. Godwin - $50,000 dollar question ?

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Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do? What's a criminal defense attorney do for someone not charged with anything?

Ask Jason, he might know, he might tell you, and he might not.


ETA - Dep check your pms please.

[The Saint]

Those 23 points are ridiculous. They were posted to convince the ignorant.

mentally and morally strong men do not kill their wives and babies or quote Rush Limbaugh.


jake, a jury won't find those 23 points (plus many more) ridiculous.
they'll use common sense and convict jason of the murder of his wife.

don't get all high and mighty on us.

jason wasn't so smart in committing this murder. he made mistakes.

we seldom agree on much, but i'm glad that you reiterated my limbaugh statement. although next time, see that i'm properly quoted.

[The Saint]

For my anger??

Can't afford it, Sweetmop. I need a counselor for my grief......

I need a counselor for my lust, for my gluttony, for my greed, for my sloth, for my envy, and even for my pride. Now you say I need a counselor for my anger?

Naw. I think I'll just live my life the best I can.

I was living on the Davidson today with a fly rod. Now that fly rod is a great counselor. Didn't see a nurse anywhere.

you just admitted to 6 Deadly Sins and you think your soul is OK?
better call on that pastor you know. he probably won't charge you and seeing that you know him, you can tell yourself you aren't weak for seeking his counsel.

[raisincharlie]

Wow - Dr. Godwin,......seriously Raisincharlie.......hopefully, this will get us somewhere. He is really good at what he does. Tell us more if you can.

icefun,

please excuse my failure to say hello and to respond. would you please check your pms.

Welcome to WS and again, please accept my apologies for not responding sooner.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

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Some may actually see it, but don't want to admit it. That might be considered weak. May even hire or accept assistance from criminal defense profilers and consultants. Don't know why they wouldn't keep a criminal defense attorney around, as well.

What's a criminal defense profiler do? What's a consultant do? What's a criminal defense attorney do for someone not charged with anything?

Ask Jason, he might know, he might tell you, and he might not.


ETA - Dep check your pms please.

Jake, don't know if the bolded area of text was intentional or unintentional, but you have misquoted. Your posting was done in error...as it appears I answered with that wording, and of course, I did not. Just wanted to bring that to your attention, as I'm sure you wouldn't want anyone under the wrong impression.

Thanks!

[caffeinatd]

Jake,

I must admit that your refusal to seriously answer raisincharlie's question about this whole Dr. Godwin thing has definitely piqued my curiosity. Is there a particular reason you are dancing around the issue?

Hi Jake,
I haven't been following too closely lately...other things to do, but I am very curious as to who this Dr. Godwin is, and what his role is. I don't recall that being the ME's name, and I get the idea from all the posts that you are the man with the info...can you please let me know what this is all about? Thanks

[jake]

Jake, don't know if the bolded area of text was intentional or unintentional, but you have misquoted. Your posting was done in error...as it appears I answered with that wording, and of course, I did not. Just wanted to bring that to your attention, as I'm sure you wouldn't want anyone under the wrong impression.

Thanks!


Exactly right. Raisin Charlie is the culprit.


Ask Jason, he might know, he might tell you, and he might not.

[The Saint]

Exactly right. Raisin Charlie is the culprit.


Ask Jason, he might know, he might tell you, and he might not.

or he might kill you.

[Jubal]

Godwin is a geographic profiler, MOO. What connection has he to this case?

[jake]

jake, a jury won't find those 23 points (plus many more) ridiculous.
they'll use common sense and convict jason of the murder of his wife.

don't get all high and mighty on us.

jason wasn't so smart in committing this murder. he made mistakes.

we seldom agree on much, but i'm glad that you reiterated my limbaugh statement. although next time, see that i'm properly quoted.

Correct your own quote.

Ain't gonna be no jury. Ain't gonna be no trial.

MassComm knew he was posting ridiculous items just to catch the dumb and dumber. He did.

[Jubal]

Correct your own quote.

Ain't gonna be no jury. Ain't gonna be no trial.

MassComm knew he was posting ridiculous items just to catch the dumb and dumber. He did.

Jake, that's a double negative, which equates with a positive, according to my English teacher.

Is this your way of letting us know that you know your boy has more on his mind than "moving on?"

[raisincharlie]

And location. He's a geographic profiler, MOO. What connection has he to this case?

See - jake won't touch that question, trying very hard to ignore it. My quess because jake is being blind - yeah Godwin is/was involved, not because LE asked him to be, nor because the Fishers asked him to be, that leaves the guy who has a "personal" attorney wanting him to be. Like every other hired gun, they are paid, surely they are going to come up with lots of theories that don't point to the hand that writes the check. JMO

[liveoutloud]

Correct your own quote.

Ain't gonna be no jury. Ain't gonna be no trial.

MassComm knew he was posting ridiculous items just to catch the dumb and dumber. He did.

Jake:

I don't recall MassComm's list verbatim but I do remember feeling it was pretty comprehensive. What, exactly, did you find so ridiculous? TIA

[liveoutloud]

See - jake won't touch that question, trying very hard to ignore it. My quess because jake is being blind - yeah Godwin is/was involved, not because LE asked him to be, nor because the Fishers asked him to be, that leaves the guy who has a "personal" attorney wanting him to be. Like every other hired gun, they are paid, surely they are going to come up with lots of theories that don't point to the hand that writes the check. JMO


Raisin:

As I indicated to you earlier they are in for a huge shock.
Don't you think they would have researched the man before hiring him?
Or, are the Youngs feeling ever more desperate with each passing day?

[jake]

Jake:

I don't recall MassComm's list verbatim but I do remember feeling it was pretty comprehensive. What, exactly, did you find so ridiculous? TIA

You don't want to see all this. I'll tell you anyway, in installments.



snipped from MassComm+++++++++

Hi guys. I haven't been here in awhile. Just wanted to touch base.

Remember my old list of circumstantial things that make you go hmmmm?

Are there any updates I need to make that have come out in that month or two?

Here is the old list of all the circumstantial stuff, and each by themselves does NOT point to him. But the totality of all these coincidences is overwhelming, IMO, and makes me go hmmmmm:

Sure, MassComm, I'll give it a shot. I'm sure some others on the board may be able to help some. Hope you'll include these updates next week when you post this for the umpteenth time. --Jake

1 - JY not helping LE at all. Quickly and thoroughly not helping. And continuing not to help, even through his lawyers who could look after his rights. He could sit with lawyers to protect his rights and still help LE take the focus off himself. It is very rare to not help at all.

LE from the beginning refusing to be respectful. Nothing but accusations, sneers, slurs, discourtesy to family and friends. LE needs training in how to treat innocent people.

2 - Daughter left unharmed (a stranger would do this?)

Only a psycho would harm a child. No psycho involved.

3 - The dog left unharmed (a stranger would do this?)

Why hurt the dog? Although maybe the dog was kicked.

4 - No signs forced entry according to LE

Door not locked. Killer has a key. What's so hard about this?

5 - No signs of rape or sexual assault as motive according to LE. No rape kit done though because clothing still intact and no signs of forcible rape.

Cops wanted a sex test, student decided not to do it. May be evidence of recent sex in that room.

6 - No signs of robbery according to LE. Purse left on counter.

Jewelry and money stolen by killer.

7 - Killed in her bedroom

So, if she's in the bedroom, killer should drag her to kitchen? Kill her where she is! And that's what they did.

See what I mean by ridiculous? There's more.....

[Jess]

Since the profiler has been "hired" by the person who has not been cleared as a suspect, -- if I am interpreting what I've been reading correctly, -- would all of his "findings" remain confidential with the "one who is not a suspect" - not to be shared with LE or the DA ??

[raisincharlie]

You don't want to see all this. I'll tell you anyway, in installments.


<snip>



Jake,

You might venture in and read Section 6 of the TOS agreement you agreed to when you signed up here. You're probably in violation of that section since I doubt you have Mass Comm's permission to post that here.

[raisincharlie]

Since the profiler has been "hired" by the person who has not been cleared as a suspect, -- if I am interpreting what I've been reading correctly, -- would all of his "findings" remain confidential with the "one who is not a suspect" - not to be shared with LE or the DA ??

In NC there are no equal discovery laws - the only thing the defense has to turn over is information concerning alibi witnesses, after the client is arrested.

[jake]

Jake,

You might venture in and read Section 6 of the TOS agreement you agreed to when you signed up here. You're probably in violation of that section since I doubt you have Mass Comm's permission to post that here.

I understand his embarrassment. I'll ask the moderator.

[raisincharlie]

I understand his embarrassment. I'll ask the moderator.

Good idea

[The Saint]

You don't want to see all this. I'll tell you anyway, in installments.



snipped from MassComm+++++++++

Hi guys. I haven't been here in awhile. Just wanted to touch base.

Remember my old list of circumstantial things that make you go hmmmm?

Are there any updates I need to make that have come out in that month or two?

Here is the old list of all the circumstantial stuff, and each by themselves does NOT point to him. But the totality of all these coincidences is overwhelming, IMO, and makes me go hmmmmm:

Sure, MassComm, I'll give it a shot. I'm sure some others on the board may be able to help some. Hope you'll include these updates next week when you post this for the umpteenth time. --Jake

1 - JY not helping LE at all. Quickly and thoroughly not helping. And continuing not to help, even through his lawyers who could look after his rights. He could sit with lawyers to protect his rights and still help LE take the focus off himself. It is very rare to not help at all.

LE from the beginning refusing to be respectful. Nothing but accusations, sneers, slurs, discourtesy to family and friends. LE needs training in how to treat innocent people.

2 - Daughter left unharmed (a stranger would do this?)

Only a psycho would harm a child. No psycho involved.

3 - The dog left unharmed (a stranger would do this?)

Why hurt the dog? Although maybe the dog was kicked.

4 - No signs forced entry according to LE

Door not locked. Killer has a key. What's so hard about this?

5 - No signs of rape or sexual assault as motive according to LE. No rape kit done though because clothing still intact and no signs of forcible rape.

Cops wanted a sex test, student decided not to do it. May be evidence of recent sex in that room.

6 - No signs of robbery according to LE. Purse left on counter.

Jewelry and money stolen by killer.

7 - Killed in her bedroom

So, if she's in the bedroom, killer should drag her to kitchen? Kill her where she is! And that's what they did.

See what I mean by ridiculous? There's more.....



your answers are what is ridiculous. i corrected my typo on Godwin's name. you can let him know.

[jake]

your answers are what is ridiculous. i corrected my typo on Godwin's name. you can let him know.

Do your own corrections and apologies.

[liveoutloud]

You don't want to see all this. I'll tell you anyway, in installments.



snipped from MassComm+++++++++

Hi guys. I haven't been here in awhile. Just wanted to touch base.

Remember my old list of circumstantial things that make you go hmmmm?

Are there any updates I need to make that have come out in that month or two?

Here is the old list of all the circumstantial stuff, and each by themselves does NOT point to him. But the totality of all these coincidences is overwhelming, IMO, and makes me go hmmmmm:

Sure, MassComm, I'll give it a shot. I'm sure some others on the board may be able to help some. Hope you'll include these updates next week when you post this for the umpteenth time. --Jake

1 - JY not helping LE at all. Quickly and thoroughly not helping. And continuing not to help, even through his lawyers who could look after his rights. He could sit with lawyers to protect his rights and still help LE take the focus off himself. It is very rare to not help at all.

LE from the beginning refusing to be respectful. Nothing but accusations, sneers, slurs, discourtesy to family and friends. LE needs training in how to treat innocent people.

2 - Daughter left unharmed (a stranger would do this?)

Only a psycho would harm a child. No psycho involved.

3 - The dog left unharmed (a stranger would do this?)

Why hurt the dog? Although maybe the dog was kicked.

4 - No signs forced entry according to LE

Door not locked. Killer has a key. What's so hard about this?

5 - No signs of rape or sexual assault as motive according to LE. No rape kit done though because clothing still intact and no signs of forcible rape.

Cops wanted a sex test, student decided not to do it. May be evidence of recent sex in that room.

6 - No signs of robbery according to LE. Purse left on counter.

Jewelry and money stolen by killer.

7 - Killed in her bedroom

So, if she's in the bedroom, killer should drag her to kitchen? Kill her where she is! And that's what they did.

See what I mean by ridiculous? There's more.....




Jake:
Buddy, you are falling apart right before our eyes and I can't believe you have that much invested in the outcome unless you either ARE Jason--in which case you are a lot further gone than I had imagined--or you are in LOVE WITH Jason and therefore even further gone than I had imagined. Regardless, I am going to go over one of these things with you because I must have some masochistic compulsion heretofore unknown to me. I'll just state my argument to point # 1 of your reply to MassComm.

You're an older gentlemen, right Jake?
An older person would know, regardless of how strong their sense of entitlement they have carried over from the past, and, despite whatever "reason" they may have had to feel entitled before their age of wisdom, that the last place to look for "special treatment" would be with the men and women employed by various LE agencies to investigate a brutal double homicide.

Accusations? Sneers? Slurs?
Jake, you're demeaning yourself.
Want more?

[Stoli]

your answers are what is ridiculous. i corrected my typo on Godwin's name. you can let him know.

Actually, I thought he was describing Jason with his answers. They would certainly fit him better than anyone else. (Who else has a key, Jake? Jason wouldn't answer that question. Maybe you can answer it for him.)

[The Saint]

Do your own corrections and apologies.

done.

[spring]

is jason housesitting for the brevardian possibly and using his computer? someone is sounding quite angry.

[liveoutloud]

is jason housesitting for the brevardian possibly and using his computer? someone is sounding quite angry.


Spring:
Yes, that is the exact same thought I had? Jake seems different somehow? Not his normal affable smart aleck?

[The Saint]

either jake has realized that his payment to Godwin was a total waste or
the killer is posting (and might have killed jake too).

[The Saint]

i apologize to dr. godwin.
his profile might be right on target if he's the one who told jake that the killer is gay. let's see what dr. sargent's notes say about the husband.

[Stoli]

i apologize to dr. godwin.
his profile might be right on target if he's the one who told jake that the killer is gay. let's see what dr. sargent's notes say about the husband.

That reminds me of a survey that was discussed. I wonder how specific the status of "virgin" was defined. I was just wondering about that.

[liveoutloud]

That reminds me of a survey that was discussed. I wonder how specific the status of "virgin" was defined. I was just wondering about that.


Oh me oh my.
That thought had not crossed my mind. Sure would explain some things though.:waitasec:

[jake]

Actually, I thought he was describing Jason with his answers. They would certainly fit him better than anyone else. (Who else has a key, Jake? Jason wouldn't answer that question. Maybe you can answer it for him.)

Michelle's sister.

[jake]

is jason housesitting for the brevardian possibly and using his computer? someone is sounding quite angry.

You and other posters insulted Jason and me. I don't take personal insults lightly.

[spring]

You and other posters insulted Jason and me. I don't take personal insults lightly.

and you were a teacher?

i always figured if the shoe didn't fit, i wouldn't wear it. you must be cinderella.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

That reminds me of a survey that was discussed. I wonder how specific the status of "virgin" was defined. I was just wondering about that.

Wonder if a profiler could give us a several-hours lecture on the statistical accuracy of self-disclosure in such polls.

Back to the topic of Michelle's brutal beating. Justice for her and all family members who are hurting at her loss. May she not be forgotten.

Thank you to those who have become involved in the last few weeks; those in both the Brevard and Raleigh areas. Oh, also Clayton. It's clear you all want justice, as well.

[liveoutloud]

You and other posters insulted Jason and me. I don't take personal insults lightly.


Is that some sort of threat?

[jake]

Jake:
Buddy, you are falling apart right before our eyes and I can't believe you have that much invested in the outcome unless you either ARE Jason--in which case you are a lot further gone than I had imagined--or you are in LOVE WITH Jason and therefore even further gone than I had imagined. Regardless, I am going to go over one of these things with you because I must have some masochistic compulsion heretofore unknown to me. I'll just state my argument to point # 1 of your reply to MassComm.

You're an older gentlemen, right Jake?
An older person would know, regardless of how strong their sense of entitlement they have carried over from the past, and, despite whatever "reason" they may have had to feel entitled before their age of wisdom, that the last place to look for "special treatment" would be with the men and women employed by various LE agencies to investigate a brutal double homicide.

Accusations? Sneers? Slurs?
Jake, you're demeaning yourself.
Want more?

Since when is being treated decently and with courtesy and respect called "special treatment"? Your world is not my world. You stay in your world, I'll stay in mine.

[Train]

and you were a teacher?

i always figured if the shoe didn't fit, i wouldn't wear it. you must be cinderella.

Hey, Spring. Just now getting home....late day.
Thanks for the PM's. Some interesting stuff. Ck your PM's. I've forwarded the copies that I have. More info to follow.

T

[Stoli]

Michelle's sister.

It is my understanding that there are others who had access to that house. Are you aware of that or can you get the information from the homeowner? This is the sort of information that would have been REALLY, REALLY helpful to LE in the early days. JMHO

[jake]

It is my understanding that there are others who had access to that house. Are you aware of that or can you get the information from the homeowner? This is the sort of information that would have been REALLY, REALLY helpful to LE in the early days. JMHO

LE has that information. LE has had the information since Nov. 3. Where have you been?

[liveoutloud]

Since when is being treated decently and with courtesy and respect called "special treatment"? Your world is not my world. You stay in your world, I'll stay in mine.


Bite me.

[sweetmop]

Yes it does. The morally bankrupt wallow in their grief. They love it. They love to chat about it. They're in hog heaven.

Jason is morally strong. He accepts grief as a part of life and proceeds to raise his daughter.

I like to think that is what I would do.

Hello jake. I'm catching up on today's posts. I certainly agree feel that life is for the living. While death is difficult on those left behind, we must go on and live. We have the lovely memories to cherish, the beautiful thoughts, and memories of happy times we shared with our loved one that has left this earth. And, hopefully, those of us that Believe, we will one day be together with them again for all of Eternity.

You say Jason is morally strong... You see this is hard part for me to see and understand of your post. A morally strong man is not making the moves on every young woman at his place of employment, making crude, rude, and suggestive comments, talking about his sex life or lack of sex with his wife with coworkers. He is not out looking and propositioning other women. He is not in an emotional affair with another female. Nor is he in a physical affair with another woman.
This is hard for me jake, very hard to see Jason Young in the same light you see him in, or believe him to be.
If Jason is the moral man you say that he is, why did he not take good care of his wife while she was here on this earth? Why didn't he step up and be a man and have his home made warm(by having the heat in working condition for freezing winter nights), why didn't he have his home safe and secure( by having the alarm system of the home in working order, especially with him out of town as often as he was), why didn't he make sure everything was fixed safe and secure, warm and cozy for his pregnant wife and his little daughter? I don't understand. And to me what we have heard and the silence Jason has so steadfastly exhibited since November of 2006, just doesn't add up to the Jason Young you say that you know.

[Stoli]

LE has that information. LE has had the information since Nov. 3. Where have you been?

So you say. I'm not sure that everything you have posted has been verifiable. Perhaps you have a bias that doesn't allow complete disclosure? JMHO

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hello jake. I'm catching up on today's posts. I certainly agree feel that life is for the living. While death is difficult on those left behind, we must go on and live. We have the lovely memories to cherish, the beautiful thoughts, and memories of happy times we shared with our loved one that has left this earth. And, hopefully, those of us that Believe, we will one day be together with them again for all of Eternity.

You say Jason is morally strong... You see this is hard part for me to see and understand of your post. A morally strong man is not making the moves on every young woman at his place of employment, making crude, rude, and suggestive comments, talking about his sex life or lack of sex with his wife with coworkers. He is not out looking and propositioning other women. He is not in an emotional affair with another female. Nor is he in a physical affair with another woman.
This is hard for me jake, very hard to see Jason Young in the same light you see him in, or believe him to be.
If Jason is the moral man you say that he is, why did he not take good care of his wife while she was here on this earth? Why didn't he step up and be a man and have his home made warm(by having the heat in working condition for freezing winter nights), why didn't he have his home safe and secure( by having the alarm system of the home in working order, especially with him out of town as often as he was), why didn't he make sure everything was fixed safe and secure, warm and cozy for his pregnant wife and his little daughter? I don't understand. And to me what we have heard and the silence Jason has so steadfastly exhibited since November of 2006, just doesn't add up to the Jason Young you say that you know.

Very nice post, sweetmop.

[jake]

So you say. I'm not sure that everything you have posted has been verifiable. Perhaps you have a bias that doesn't allow complete disclosure? JMHO

Very little that I post is verifiable by you. You believe it or you don't.

[Stoli]

Very little that I post is verifiable by you. You believe it or you don't.

O.K. I don't.

[jake]

Hello jake. I'm catching up on today's posts. I certainly agree feel that life is for the living. While death is difficult on those left behind, we must go on and live. We have the lovely memories to cherish, the beautiful thoughts, and memories of happy times we shared with our loved one that has left this earth. And, hopefully, those of us that Believe, we will one day be together with them again for all of Eternity.

You say Jason is morally strong... You see this is hard part for me to see and understand of your post. A morally strong man is not making the moves on every young woman at his place of employment, making crude, rude, and suggestive comments, talking about his sex life or lack of sex with his wife with coworkers. He is not out looking and propositioning other women. He is not in an emotional affair with another female. Nor is he in a physical affair with another woman.
This is hard for me jake, very hard to see Jason Young in the same light you see him in, or believe him to be.
If Jason is the moral man you say that he is, why did he not take good care of his wife while she was here on this earth? Why didn't he step up and be a man and have his home made warm(by having the heat in working condition for freezing winter nights), why didn't he have his home safe and secure( by having the alarm system of the home in working order, especially with him out of town as often as he was), why didn't he make sure everything was fixed safe and secure, warm and cozy for his pregnant wife and his little daughter? I don't understand. And to me what we have heard and the silence Jason has so steadfastly exhibited since November of 2006, just doesn't add up to the Jason Young you say that you know.

Heat? That was being done. Neither bothered by lack of upstairs bedroom heat.

Garage door? Being done.

Alarm? Not a priority.

Michelle? She and Jason were partners.

Silence? What would he say?

Killers? They will be dealt with. They should hope the cops catch them.

[jake]

Bite me.

As expected, an intelligent post.

[citygirl]

Killers? They will be dealt with. They should hope the cops catch them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


What exactly does this mean ?

[raisincharlie]

O.K. I don't.

Me either - doesn't match up with those that knew Jy in Raleigh.

[The Saint]

geographical profiling ---
the killer is pictured to the west of the victim.

http://mylifeofcrime.files.wordpress.com/2006/12/michelle-and-jason.jpg

[jake]

Me either - doesn't match up with those that knew Jy in Raleigh.

You don't know anyone who knew Jason in Raleigh.

[liveoutloud]

As expected, an intelligent post.


What, no flattery from you?
No platitudes about my intellect?
No more witty repartee?
Whatever am I going to do now?:loser:

[Stoli]

Me either - doesn't match up with those that knew Jy in Raleigh.

That's the problem that I'm having. I would like to believe him because it would be so much better if the husband didn't do it. But what one person is saying doesn't match with what several others are saying. It's tough to reconcile.

[The Saint]

Heat? That was being done. Neither bothered by lack of upstairs bedroom heat.

(snipped)

well he wasn't because he stayed in hotel rooms half the time.

[The Saint]

popcorn,

i know that you're used to delving into the inner recesses of diabolical criminal minds,
but aren't the mountain men involved in this case just the craziest??!

don't let them fool you. jason is the killer and he acted alone.
his little girl saw it and there's evidence that proves jason is guilty.

[The Saint]

You don't know anyone who knew Jason in Raleigh.

obviously you don't know anyone who knew jason in raleigh or you wouldn't have posted that jason was a virgin when he graduated from college.

[pattio]

One wonders why a certain member seems to be a tad overconcerned with Jason's sexual statistics. How & when he lost his virginity and to what or whom??
Could not be in an adultrous relationship???? His wife became impregnated before marriage by divine intervention?????
An almost obsessive/compusive need to respond to each and every comment made.

It speaks to me of a somewhat latent albeit obvious crush/worship complex.

[kwatson696]

:woohoo: :clap: :loser:LOL Now that was good Pattio.............. One wonders why a certain member seems to be a tad overconcerned with Jason's sexual statistics. How & when he lost his virginity and to what or whom??
Could not be in an adultrous relationship???? His wife became impregnated before marriage by divine intervention?????
An almost obsessive/compusive need to respond to each and every comment made.

It speaks to me of a somewhat latent albeit obvious crush/worship complex.

[close_enough]

popcorn,

i know that you're used to delving into the inner recesses of diabolical criminal minds,
but aren't the mountain men involved in this case just the craziest??!

don't let them fool you. jason is the killer and he acted alone.
his little girl saw it and there's evidence that proves jason is guilty.

then why on earth haven't they arrested this SOB????.....what could be the hold up??....i've always thought he did it, & he did it alone also...

[DEPUTYDAWG]

One wonders why a certain member seems to be a tad overconcerned with Jason's sexual statistics. How & when he lost his virginity and to what or whom??
Could not be in an adultrous relationship???? His wife became impregnated before marriage by divine intervention?????
An almost obsessive/compusive need to respond to each and every comment made.

It speaks to me of a somewhat latent albeit obvious crush/worship complex.

Pattio, welcome.

Interesting you perceive the "almost obsessive/compulsive need" to respond to each and every comment. It's been going on for months, on a variety of message boards. This occurs even though Jason and his family are wanting to keep out of the limelight and it would indeed be much quieter on the internet if actually no one from Jason's camp continued to fuel the fire, so to speak.

Yet, RC had a very specific post to a certain poster yesterday, asking him to explain about Dr Godwin. Yet, he won't touch that topic, no way, no how. That's his perogative, certainly. But for a person who likes to correct "misinformation" and who doesn't like rumors posted (note: if negative against Jason only), then he'd have an opportunity to correct/deny/explain Dr. Godwin's assistance or lack thereof. He chose not to.

So, it appears just this one sp