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[Animal04216]

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[Animal04216]

copied this post from the other thread, didn't get it locked before this was posted!


jilly
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Originally Posted by DEPUTYDAWG
So what exactly is stopping the Young family (Jason, parents, siblings) from hitting the media trail and trying to gain the public's support in trying to track down the vile murderer?

Because their only focus is on the living? Some sort of mountain philosophy, I'm hearing. Michelle and her unborn baby are dead are gone and buried in some make-shift grave- who cares how they got there. Out of sight - out of mind. In the meantime, who cares what the rest of the world thinks....they have their jy and their Cassidy. Lifes goes on for the Youngs' which imo will come to a grinding halt one of these days.

[citygirl]

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Jake, I need to ask you a serious question , and it is heartfelt . Why have you allowed yourself to become Jason's * whipping boy * ? I want to see justice in this case , as do many of my fellow posters, but I take NO delight in seeing anymore suffering. Yet you come back day after day seemingly throwing yourself into battle with no ammunition ! All the while, Jason has showered, dressed in his finest , and is tooling around meeting with clients . How many times in a day do you think Jason THINKS of you , if ever ? Something to consider and JMHO.

[The Saint]

jake,
you haven't been making the mortgage payments on birchleaf have you?

[raisincharlie]

Since we have been discussing the NC Fetal Homicide Law I thought I would post this article from WRAL about it. Sad but three pregnant women murdered in the area since 2005. Watch for updates, Michelle is mentioned:


http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1573111/

[The Saint]

i wonder if nancy burdette who organized the FHL online petition is related to the murder victim, robert scott burdette?
do you think she knows kevin saum?

[The Saint]

i sure hope it wasn't jason's dad's boat that he used to try to drown michelle. that would be a dishonorable thing to do to his dad's memory, using his boat as an instrument of murder.

wait. jake will tell us that jason had michelle checking out a noise on the side of the boat and then jason accidently revved the engine and she was knocked overboard (without wearing a lifejacket of course).

[DEPUTYDAWG]

copied this post from the other thread, didn't get it locked before this was posted!


jilly
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DEPUTYDAWG
So what exactly is stopping the Young family (Jason, parents, siblings) from hitting the media trail and trying to gain the public's support in trying to track down the vile murderer?

Because their only focus is on the living? Some sort of mountain philosophy, I'm hearing. Michelle and her unborn baby are dead are gone and buried in some make-shift grave- who cares how they got there. Out of sight - out of mind. In the meantime, who cares what the rest of the world thinks....they have their jy and their Cassidy. Lifes goes on for the Youngs' which imo will come to a grinding halt one of these days.

Jilly,
That is very chilling. However, I agree with your assessment based upon statements made here within the last week.


Michelle and her babies will not be cast aside as not important anymore. There are too many of us who will continue to hope for justice in her case and speak out on her behalf. She doesn't have a voice anymore, but we do. :)

[jilly]

Michelle and her babies will not be cast aside as not important anymore. There are too many of us who will continue to hope for justice in her case and speak out on her behalf. She doesn't have a voice anymore, but we do. :)

:clap: That is a FACT!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

:clap: That is a FACT!

IT SURE IS!!!! I'm not even putting a MOO, JMO, IMO, ABC. :razz:

[jilly]

IT SURE IS!!!! :laugh: I'm not even putting a MOO, JMO, IMO, ABC. :razz:

I'm feeling rather giddy here.....light-headed!:D Must be the heat!

[concernedperson]

IT SURE IS!!!! I'm not even putting a MOO, JMO, IMO, ABC. :razz:

Good for you. The victim (s) should always have priority and our most concerted efforts until justice is served.

[jilly]

I've been thinking about this boating incident -

Between this boating accident and the vehicle accident I'm starting to wonder if Michelle was starting to put 2 and 2 together. Wonder if it crossed her mind that he might be trying to kill her and/or she thought she was going crazy and better talk to a therapist about it!

Poor woman! What a horrible life she had with this guy.jmo

[Stoli]

I've been thinking about this boating incident -

Between this boating accident and the vehicle accident I'm starting to wonder if Michelle was starting to put 2 and 2 together. Wonder if it crossed her mind that he might be trying to kill her and/or she thought she was going crazy and better talk to a therapist about it!

Poor woman! What a horrible life she had with this guy.jmo

It would make sense that if she told her therapist, "I think my husband is trying to kill me", the therapist might think that relevant and the judge may have determined that the therapist's notes were then relevant to the crime. Makes sense to me.

[jilly]

It would make sense that if she told her therapist, "I think my husband is trying to kill me", the therapist might think that relevant and the judge may have determined that the therapist's notes were then relevant to the crime. Makes sense to me.

Thinking about it more...I guess there was a bit of a gap between these incidents and when she saw the therapist but I hope that she said alot to that therapist before he ended her life!

Seems like he might have been planning to kill her for quite awhile. Maybe the fact that she was seeing a therapist did escalate the murder.

[Stoli]

Thinking about it more...I guess there was a bit of a gap between these incidents and when she saw the therapist but I hope that she said alot to that therapist before he ended her life!

Seems like he might have been planning to kill her for quite awhile. Maybe the fact that she was seeing a therapist did escalate the murder.

There sure a lot of "Jason" coincidences. All evidence points to the one and only. JMHO

[raisincharlie]

I've been thinking about this boating incident -

Between this boating accident and the vehicle accident I'm starting to wonder if Michelle was starting to put 2 and 2 together. Wonder if it crossed her mind that he might be trying to kill her and/or she thought she was going crazy and better talk to a therapist about it!

Poor woman! What a horrible life she had with this guy.jmo

Jilly,

For some reason I don't think the car accident was anything other than an accident. But it accomplished one thing - it terminated a pregnancy. I think the car accident may have come back as a seed of thought however.

[Stoli]

Jilly,

For some reason I don't think the car accident was anything other than an accident. But it accomplished one thing - it terminated a pregnancy. I think the car accident may have come back as a seed of thought however.

It did show his lack of concern for his wife and child. Didn't she go home to NY after she lost the baby and stay for two weeks? And didn't he leave for CA with his mother and sister right after she got back? Is there a loving husband in here who can tell me that they would consider this scenario in their own relationship with their wife and child?

[jilly]

Jilly,

For some reason I don't think the car accident was anything other than an accident. But it accomplished one thing - it terminated a pregnancy. I think the car accident may have come back as a seed of thought however.

That's a good thought RC because I think he was contemplating on getting out of that marriage as he walked down the aisle. Maybe you're right.... The accident sowed the first seed.

[nanandjim]

I've been thinking about this boating incident -

Between this boating accident and the vehicle accident I'm starting to wonder if Michelle was starting to put 2 and 2 together. Wonder if it crossed her mind that he might be trying to kill her and/or she thought she was going crazy and better talk to a therapist about it!

Poor woman! What a horrible life she had with this guy.jmo
I think that I would be putting it together. Perhaps, she did discuss her suspicions with a therapist. However, that would not be enough to arrest Jason. I just wish that they would find something. Surely, he isn't clever enough to have thought of everything.

[sweetmop]

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Jake, I need to ask you a serious question , and it is heartfelt . Why have you allowed yourself to become Jason's * whipping boy * ? I want to see justice in this case , as do many of my fellow posters, but I take NO delight in seeing anymore suffering. Yet you come back day after day seemingly throwing yourself into battle with no ammunition ! All the while, Jason has showered, dressed in his finest , and is tooling around meeting with clients . How many times in a day do you think Jason THINKS of you , if ever ? Something to consider and JMHO.

citygirl, I agree. jake needs to calm down, for his physical and his mental health. The continued daily stress of this case, day in and day out can't be good for him.

jake , if you're still here... I believe you are a good hearted soul. and jason knows that and is taking full advantage of you. I think you are being used. I think Jason Young is asking of you ,what he won't do himself.

You have been a friend, you've been Jason's # 1 supporter. Everyone can see that. I think you need to just let go now. It's out of your hands now anyway. What's going to happen next, will happen no matter how hard you fight to stop it. I'll bet your family would love for you to hang it up too jake. Go back to your life.

[jilly]

I think that I would be putting it together. Perhaps, she did discuss her suspicions with a therapist. However, that would not be enough to arrest Jason. I just wish that they would find something. Surely, he isn't clever enough to have thought of everything.

I wouldn't think so but I have to say...I'm starting to wonder.

[sweetmop]

That's a good thought RC because I think he was contemplating on getting out of that marriage as he walked down the aisle. Maybe you're right.... The accident sowed the first seed.

I agree jilly. And you're one great sleuth, RC! I'd never looked at this incident that way, but I really think you may be onto something here!

That accident just planted another thought into his mind, another, and then another. JY saw how easy that accident was, how the LE officers were so understanding of it, hey it was an accident, we all have at least one or two, can't be helped sometimes. Then he tried a couple of more " accidents ". Oooops, he screwed up, didn't have the result he was looking for, and that p****d him off!!!

Desparate measures, desparate deeds... We know the ending of the story. :(

[sweetmop]

There sure a lot of "Jason" coincidences. All evidence points to the one and only. JMHO


It certainly does, Stoli. Yes, a few too many " Jason " coincidences just aren't coincidence. :furious:

[The Saint]

do you think that it is the hired profiler's theory that they are trying to advance? (by "they" i mean, jason, jake, JTF, and other defense side people).

imo, it was the profiler who told them that there were 2 killers, who were gay, who live within 1.4 miles of birchleaf.

they are trying to mold certain people to fit those profiles because that's what they paid for and are determined to believe it. they are creating urban myths. we've seen them try that by blaming:
MF and her boyfriend
2 goth kids

they are posting at RU to that effect.

[sweetmop]

do you think that it is the hired profiler's theory that they (jason, jake, JTF, whoever else on the defense side) are trying to advance?

2 killers, gay, who live within 1.4 miles of birchleaf.

they are trying to mold certain people into those profiles. they are creating urban myths. we've seen them try that with:
MF and her boyfriend
2 goth kids

I'm not sure. I just haven't heard that much about this doctor to know what his theories might be. His last name is Godwin? What is his first name, do you know?
I think he's a waste of jake's money.

[Jubal]

I'm not sure. I just haven't heard that much about this doctor to know what his theories might be. His last name is Godwin? What is his first name, do you know?
I think he's a waste of jake's money.

Maurice.

[The Saint]

the cat is out of the bag. if dr. godwin really has been hired to work on jason's behalf, then the DA is going to be ready for him.
the element of surprise is gone. that is why jake was in a fit of fury.

the DA already knows what the profiler's theory is (thanks to jake) and the people in michelle's life that the defense are going to try to pin this murder on, based on that profile.

why would a profiler be brought in to testify at trial at all?
the defense could call dr. godwin to the stand to testify about his theories, but the jury could say, "So what?"

there will be evidence to convince the jury that jason is the killer. he will be connected to the crime. why postulate a theory when the killer is sitting there in the courtroom?

the prosecution would just bring their own expert on the stand who can quote statistics that overwhelming support the husband as the killer. the proven profile of a person who kills a pregnant woman is the father of the baby.

they would attack dr. godwin's credentials and ask him whether he had first approached the fishers and was turned down.

LE has interviewed over 100 people and traveled to 3 others states. They have talked to neighboring counties to see if any of their murders had any similarity to this murder. it's not like they haven't considered other possibilities. they have taken the fingerprints of numerous people and had groups of people take polygraphs.

[kwatson696]

It would make sense that if she told her therapist, "I think my husband is trying to kill me", the therapist might think that relevant and the judge may have determined that the therapist's notes were then relevant to the crime. Makes sense to me.


I was thinking about this and think her Therapist may HAVE had to turn over whatever records she had......but do we know what she revealed or is it sealed?:silenced:

"We have someone who died a violent death, and it appears she sought counseling shortly before that time," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. "The closeness in time to her death heightened our interest and we thought it would perhaps provide insights."

Under North Carolina law, the state can ask a therapist to turn over records and answer questions about therapy sessions if "the disclosure is necessary to a proper administration of justice

http://html.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

[daddydidit]

citygirl, I agree. jake needs to calm down, for his physical and his mental health. The continued daily stress of this case, day in and day out can't be good for him.

jake , if you're still here... I believe you are a good hearted soul. and jason knows that and is taking full advantage of you. I think you are being used. I think Jason Young is asking of you ,what he won't do himself.

You have been a friend, you've been Jason's # 1 supporter. Everyone can see that. I think you need to just let go now. It's out of your hands now anyway. What's going to happen next, will happen no matter how hard you fight to stop it. I'll bet your family would love for you to hang it up too jake. Go back to your life.


Jake will never give up the thought that his best friend had nothing to do with this. If he could get it threw his head he is only being used his life would be much easier you better watch it Jake you could be the next one on Jason's list.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I was thinking about this and think her Therapist may HAVE had to turn over whatever records she had......but do we know what she revealed or is it sealed?:silenced:

"We have someone who died a violent death, and it appears she sought counseling shortly before that time," Wake County District Attorney Colon Willoughby said. "The closeness in time to her death heightened our interest and we thought it would perhaps provide insights."

Under North Carolina law, the state can ask a therapist to turn over records and answer questions about therapy sessions if "the disclosure is necessary to a proper administration of justice

http://html.wral.com/news/local/story/1211049/

Good morning kwatson,

No, we do not know what was revealed. As a person interested in what it might tell us as to Michelle's thoughts, feelings, etc. just prior to her murder - I wish it would be divulged. However, I am glad the details have been sealed. It's gives great insight to the prosecutor, helping them firm up certain theories and possibly discount others. :)

[Smugshots]

Jake will never give up the thought that his best friend had nothing to do with this. If he could get it threw his head he is only being used his life would be much easier you better watch it Jake you could be the next one on Jason's list.


Good morning daddydidit! I agree, daddy did it.

[daddydidit]

Good morning daddydidit! I agree, daddy did it.


Good morning to you also yes i think daddy did it that's my story and i'm sticking to it.:snooty: way to many accidents for it to be anyone else. jmo

[Smugshots]

Good morning to you also yes i think daddy did it that's my story and i'm sticking to it.:snooty: way to many accidents for it to be anyone else. jmo


I agree. the car accident seemed a little suspicious to me, then after reading the crazy message Jake posted earlier this week about a guy being jealous of Jason and had messed with his steering then happened to be waiting right where they wrecked to save Michelle and look like a hero. What the heck was that about? It's like a Stephen King novel. Don't you think that is something that could have been proven?

Now we hear there might have been a boating accident too. Things just keep adding up to Jason.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Good morning all you early risers, and welcome to daddydidit.

Justice for Michelle.


RC, please check your pm's.

[Smugshots]

Morning DD!

Everyday I come here to discuss this case, or just read what others poster have said, I feel it is a form of justice for Michelle and baby. Her husband may have moved on, but I haven't, and either has all the other people that read and post on this board and the many others and we won't until her killer is caught.

[snowshuze]

Morning DD!

Everyday I come here to discuss this case, or just read what others poster have said, I feel it is a form of justice for Michelle and baby. Her husband may have moved on, but I haven't, and either has all the other people that read and post on this board and the many others and we won't until her killer is caught.

Won't be any "movin on" here until justice is served. On a platter.

[Smugshots]

Won't be any "movin on" here until justice is served. On a platter.

With a nice chianti! :D

[snowshuze]

With a nice chianti! :D
Chilled, of course. :cool:

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Morning DD!

Everyday I come here to discuss this case, or just read what others poster have said, I feel it is a form of justice for Michelle and baby. Her husband may have moved on, but I haven't, and either has all the other people that read and post on this board and the many others and we won't until her killer is caught.


I agree 100%, Smugshots.
A lot of caring people here who remain committed to see this through the monster convicted and :behindbar

[daddydidit]

Won't be any "movin on" here until justice is served. On a platter.


I won't be movin on either until justice is served anyone that thinks jason is innocent needs to take a look hard look at things it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out;)

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Won't be any "movin on" here until justice is served. On a platter.

Hi snowshuze! :woohoo:

Patience is a virtue, eh?

[snowshuze]

Hi snowshuze! :woohoo:

Patience is a virtue, eh?
Hang on while I go look up definitions of patience AND virtue. :)

[kwatson696]

Morning Everyone,
Maybe today is the day for "JUSTICE FOR MICHELLE":blowkiss: !!!!!

[raisincharlie]

the cat is out of the bag. if dr. godwin really has been hired to work on jason's behalf, then the DA is going to be ready for him.
<snip>

LE has interviewed over 100 people and traveled to 3 others states. They have talked to neighboring counties to see if any of their murders had any similarity to this murder. it's not like they haven't considered other possibilities. they have taken the fingerprints of numerous people and had groups of people take polygraphs.


Are you sure about polygraphs ?

[strach304]

I know the boating accident is fairly recent news but don't know the time frame. When did that happen? There are quite a few coincidences tied to that car accident imo. Cassidy was not in the car (unharmed when mommy was murdered), Michelle was pregnant (murdered during next pregnancy), area of accident and Jason's familiarity with that area and avid rafter, outdoorsman. The area of the accident Jason was very familiar with and knew of other accidents there. Fatalities?

How many cases can we count where the SO has injured themselves to deflect attention away from them as a suspect when they in fact turned out to be the perp? I don't think Jason planned on the car accident killing Michelle by running it down an embankment into the river at all but rather planned on drowning her and it would be ruled an accident. That's why I don't give too much thought to it being that daring and would have jeopardized Jason's life. They both walked away from that accident unharmed so that tells me he knew exactly what he was doing. Isn't a violent murder in the home much more likely to have LE looking at you and the risk of going to jail for life a bigger gamble than running a car into the river?

[raisincharlie]

I know the boating accident is fairly recent news but don't know the time frame. When did that happen? There are quite a few coincidences tied to that car accident imo. Cassidy was not in the car (unharmed when mommy was murdered), Michelle was pregnant (murdered during next pregnancy), area of accident and Jason's familiarity with that area and avid rafter, outdoorsman. The area of the accident Jason was very familiar with and knew of other accidents there. Fatalities?

How many cases can we count where the SO has injured themselves to deflect attention away from them as a suspect when they in fact turned out to be the perp? I don't think Jason planned on the car accident killing Michelle by running it down an embankment into the river at all but rather planned on drowning her and it would be ruled an accident. That's why I don't give too much thought to it being that daring and would have jeopardized Jason's life. They both walked away from that accident unharmed so that tells me he knew exactly what he was doing. Isn't a violent murder in the home much more likely to have LE looking at you and the risk of going to jail for life a bigger gamble than running a car into the river?

A murder in the home while one is out of town in another state supposedly on business doesn't look like a big gamble either.

Except for TOD; except for calling the Sister to pick up a stupid piece of paper when you hadn't asked something similar of her before; except for supposedly being late for your meeting; except for checking your voice mail frequently after you called the Sister; except for calling your buddies to tell them your meeting went well; except for going to your folks home when you had quests coming to your own home that same day....and on and on.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Believe it or not, I'm still giving Jason the benefit of the doubt on the car accident. I'm also confident that LE opened the investigation up again after Michelle's murder, and if they found other indicators upon reinvestigation, that they're keeping it tucked away until needed.

It is disheartening and bothersome to hear about this supposed boat incident. I hope that's not factually true. That would be just another "one too many" coincidences.

Same with the hotel incident on 10/14. Yes, I keep bringing it up. Why? Because that again is a huge coincidence that they had a pretty bad fight/argument just 3 weeks before she was beaten to death. And in between those two dates, she went to a therapist at least once, but I believe more than once. And went to NY during that same 3 week period.

Things were NOT good at all at home between Jason and Michelle, IMHO.

Justice for Michelle and babies.

[raisincharlie]

Believe it or not, I'm still giving Jason the benefit of the doubt on the car accident. I'm also confident that LE opened the investigation up again after Michelle's murder, and if they found other indicators upon reinvestigation, that they're keeping it tucked away until needed.

It is disheartening and bothersome to hear about this supposed boat incident. I hope that's not factually true. That would be just another "one too many" coincidences.

Same with the hotel incident on 10/14. Yes, I keep bringing it up. Why? Because that again is a huge coincidence that they had a pretty bad fight/argument just 3 weeks before she was beaten to death. And in between those two dates, she went to a therapist at least once, but I believe more than once. And went to NY during that same 3 week period.

Things were NOT good at all at home between Jason and Michelle, IMHO.

Justice for Michelle and babies.

The car accident bothers me in some respects. Depends on who you believe I think, one group says Michelle had turned around about a noise in the back of the vehicle, another group says it was Jy (who was driving) who turned around because he thought the back gate popped up (no rearview mirror I quess). For some reason I just think it was an accident - why it was an accident may be another story when you have a known prankster driving. At the very least it accomplished something, the loss of a baby and it is my opinion this loss was related to the accident.

The boating accident bothers me more. There was a picture on WRAL I believe of the family in a boat - Cassidy had on a life vest but neither Michelle or Jy had one on. I would like to understand how the wife falls out of the boat to start with and why she had to struggle to get back in - where was the husband ?

October seems to be a very strange month. Jy was in Denver for the week of 10/9 returning in time to attend the wedding. As you describe there doesn't seem to be much contact between the two if you look at the time. I would agree, rough few weeks before the murder and a therapist added in doesn't seem to equal a pleasant time for Michelle.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

The car accident bothers me in some respects. Depends on who you believe I think, one group says Michelle had turned around about a noise in the back of the vehicle, another group says it was Jy (who was driving) who turned around because he thought the back gate popped up (no rearview mirror I quess). For some reason I just think it was an accident - why it was an accident may be another story when you have a known prankster driving. At the very least it accomplished something, the loss of a baby and it is my opinion this loss was related to the accident.

The boating accident bothers me more. There was a picture on WRAL I believe of the family in a boat - Cassidy had on a life vest but neither Michelle or Jy had one on. I would like to understand how the wife falls out of the boat to start with and why she had to struggle to get back in - where was the husband ?

October seems to be a very strange month. Jy was in Denver for the week of 10/9 returning in time to attend the wedding. As you describe there doesn't seem to be much contact between the two if you look at the time. I would agree, rough few weeks before the murder and a therapist added in doesn't seem to equal a pleasant time for Michelle.


I guess I haven't heard enough of the boat "accident" to really wrap my mind around it. I can change my mind when I read more. I guess that's how I feel about the car accident, as well. I guess it's that we've heard varied descriptions, so I don't know enough to come to a solid conclusion or opinion. But, in the big picture, it's certainly another "coincidence" that led to the death of another of their children. :(

[Smugshots]

The car accident bothers me in some respects. Depends on who you believe I think, one group says Michelle had turned around about a noise in the back of the vehicle, another group says it was Jy (who was driving) who turned around because he thought the back gate popped up (no rearview mirror I quess). For some reason I just think it was an accident - why it was an accident may be another story when you have a known prankster driving. At the very least it accomplished something, the loss of a baby and it is my opinion this loss was related to the accident.

The boating accident bothers me more. There was a picture on WRAL I believe of the family in a boat - Cassidy had on a life vest but neither Michelle or Jy had one on. I would like to understand how the wife falls out of the boat to start with and why she had to struggle to get back in - where was the husband ?

October seems to be a very strange month. Jy was in Denver for the week of 10/9 returning in time to attend the wedding. As you describe there doesn't seem to be much contact between the two if you look at the time. I would agree, rough few weeks before the murder and a therapist added in doesn't seem to equal a pleasant time for Michelle.

Hi RC,

From my experience, I've owned a boat for 13 years, adults rarely if ever wear a life jacket on a boat. The law in my state is that there must be enough life jackets on the boat for everyone on the boat, but they do not need to be wearing them. Children are different, I'm not sure if it's a law, but every child I have ever seen on or near a boat, even walking down a dock to get in the boat wears a life jacket. I don't think it's odd Michelle didn't have a life jacket on while on the boat, I do wonder how she may have "fell" off though.

[raisincharlie]

Hi RC,

From my experience, I've owned a boat for 13 years, adults rarely if ever wear a life jacket on a boat. The law in my state is that there must be enough life jackets on the boat for everyone on the boat, but they do not need to be wearing them. Children are different, I'm not sure if it's a law, but every child I have ever seen on or near a boat, even walking down a dock to get in the boat wears a life jacket. I don't think it's odd Michelle didn't have a life jacket on while on the boat, I do wonder how she may have "fell" off though.

I didn't present my point well, sorry - just pointing out that they did not have them on. In other words, chances are when Michelle fell off the boat she probably did not have one on. Same here, must be enough life vests and children (under 16) must have on a protection system.

[Smugshots]

I didn't present my point well, sorry - just pointing out that they did not have them on. In other words, chances are when Michelle fell off the boat she probably did not have one on. Same here, must be enough life vests and children (under 16) must have on a protection system.

I'm sorry, I think it's I who misread you're post about the life jacket.

In regard to the car accident, I don't recall reading previously that Jason thought the back gate was open, if that's the case it's interesting he would need to turn around to check that, there should be a light in the dash that is on when a door or the back gate is open.

[raisincharlie]

I'm sorry, I think it's I who misread you're post about the life jacket.

In regard to the car accident, I don't recall reading previously that Jason thought the back gate was open, if that's the case it's interesting he would need to turn around to check that, there should be a light in the dash that is on when a door or the back gate is open.

Well, that story has sources I'm not sure I believe. I can't figure why one would turn around to look, while driving on a road known to have several accidents, instead of looking in the mirror. What's the driver going to do about it other than stop? Looking isn't going to help. I would think there would indeed be a light and a dinging noise if a door was open - seems that has been on vehicles for over a decade at least. With conflicting stories about who did what - it makes it kind of hard to cipher on this.

[jilly]

What exactly is a "back gate"?:confused:

[raisincharlie]

What exactly is a "back gate"?:confused:

The back lift up door on the Explorer is what we are talking about Ms. Jilly.:crazy: Like I told Smugshots, I'm in my own time zone sometimes...

[jilly]

The back lift up door on the Explorer is what we are talking about Ms. Jilly.:crazy: Like I told Smugshots, I'm in my own time zone sometimes...

LOL. Geez - I was thinking it might be one of those cages that you put in the back to keep a dog contained. Glad I asked! I agree with your comments - there would have been a message on the dash - 'door ajar' or something.

[strach304]

RC, do you know the approximate date of the boating accident? I was sure LE was looking at those pic discs from their trip after they were married because something happened then. We know Michelle was pregnant. Wasn't the boating accident a year before her murder or was it a year before the car accident? The date may indicate something.

The trip out of town that was work related is too phoney for me to buy also especially since he stopped at the midway point. I will always believe Scott Peterson had similar ideas and plans to kill Laci in that way and a car accident from what came out in that case. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Jason as well. What I believe both have in common that prove that is when they actually went all the way it went precariously rather than the smooth planning beforehand that left a trail of bread crumbs straight back to them. Jason has kept his yapper shut though.

[raisincharlie]

RC, do you know the approximate date of the boating accident? I was sure LE was looking at those pic discs from their trip after they were married because something happened then. We know Michelle was pregnant. Wasn't the boating accident a year before her murder or was it a year before the car accident? The date may indicate something.

The trip out of town that was work related is too phoney for me to buy also especially since he stopped at the midway point. I will always believe Scott Peterson had similar ideas and plans to kill Laci in that way and a car accident from what came out in that case. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the case with Jason as well. What I believe both have in common that prove that is when they actually went all the way it went precariously rather than the smooth planning beforehand that left a trail of bread crumbs straight back to them. Jason has kept his yapper shut though.

My understanding of the boating accident was that it happened shortly before the 3rd anniversary - early to mid september before the murder and coincidentally when Michelle was pregnant again and after the affair with MM had started. That is my understanding of the timing, don't know how true that is though.

[strach304]

I've had it in my head for a long time that Jason wanted to drown her so it looked like an accident. I don't know why besides the car accident I am stuck on that other than throwing in the trip they took after being married was to a beach I believe. LE wanting to see the pics naturally have me thinking there is something suspicious related to that trip. Now I hear about a boating accident. If any of this turns out to be intentional it would seem like he's been trying to do away with her for awhile. Possibly the third pregnancy pushed him over the edge to act in a similar manner to Scott Peterson. Laci's due date was very near and was in a hurry and got sloppy. A psychologist had stated at the time the 8th month is the most dangerous and stressful in that situation because the pressure is on because the baby is coming.

[strach304]

My understanding of the boating accident was that it happened shortly before the 3rd anniversary - early to mid september before the murder and coincidentally when Michelle was pregnant again and after the affair with MM had started. That is my understanding of the timing, don't know how true that is though.

Oh, that's really bad. Didn't know that.:eek:

[strach304]

Had another thought about that car accident now that I know the time frame of the boat accident. What if that's what gave him the idea if it was indeed unplanned. He saw that she lost the baby and that was the intended purpose of a boat accident. If Michelle had perished just a casualty of war so to speak? The actual murder did imo involve serious rage. If you ask me way too much happened in the six months leading up to her death to think anyone other than Jason is responsible for Michelle's demise.

[raisincharlie]

Had another thought about that car accident now that I know the time frame of the boat accident. What if that's what gave him the idea if it was indeed unplanned. He saw that she lost the baby and that was the intended purpose of a boat accident. If Michelle had perished just a casualty of war so to speak? The actual murder did imo involve serious rage. If you ask me way too much happened in the six months leading up to her death to think anyone other than Jason is responsible for Michelle's demise.

No doubt it was six months lived in Hades.

[kwatson696]

Hey Ya'll Just found this site great info and photos ............

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/1578641/

[Jubal]

I've had it in my head for a long time that Jason wanted to drown her so it looked like an accident. I don't know why besides the car accident I am stuck on that other than throwing in the trip they took after being married was to a beach I believe. LE wanting to see the pics naturally have me thinking there is something suspicious related to that trip. Now I hear about a boating accident. If any of this turns out to be intentional it would seem like he's been trying to do away with her for awhile. Possibly the third pregnancy pushed him over the edge to act in a similar manner to Scott Peterson. Laci's due date was very near and was in a hurry and got sloppy. A psychologist had stated at the time the 8th month is the most dangerous and stressful in that situation because the pressure is on because the baby is coming.

I thought she was only about 5 months along. Wasn't her due date at the end of March?

[nanandjim]

The back lift up door on the Explorer is what we are talking about Ms. Jilly.:crazy: Like I told Smugshots, I'm in my own time zone sometimes...

My husband has a GMC Explorer type SUV (can't think of the name at the moment). I recently used it and did not completely close the back lift up door. The inside lights stayed on, and there was a warning on the dash that this door was open. I bet the Explorer gives similar warnings.

IMO, there was no reason whatsoever for anyone to turn around, especially the driver. It seems to me the natural reaction would be to pull over if you heard a noise or realized that the lift had suddenly flung open.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hey Ya'll Just found this site great info and photos ............

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/1578641/

Thank you very much for that link!

[raisincharlie]

My husband has a GMC Explorer type SUV (can't think of the name at the moment). I recently used it and did not completely close back lift up door. The inside lights stayed on, and there was a warning on the dash that this door was open. I bet the Explorer gives similar warnings.

IMO, there was no reason whatsoever for anyone to turn around, especially the driver. It seems to me the natural reaction would be to pull over if you heard a noise or realized that the lift had suddenly flung open.

I suspect the Explorer would also give these warnings Nanandjim. And I don't understand why the driver would turn around to look either - especially since that driver supposedly knew the road and knew it was a road know for accidents. Some of the reasons I wonder about this particular story.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

My husband has a GMC Explorer type SUV (can't think of the name at the moment). I recently used it and did not completely close back lift up door. The inside lights stayed on, and there was a warning on the dash that this door was open. I bet the Explorer gives similar warnings.

IMO, there was no reason whatsoever for anyone to turn around, especially the driver. It seems to me the natural reaction would be to pull over if you heard a noise or realized that the lift had suddenly flung open.

Although I'm one of the "on the fence" people regarding the car crash being an "accident" or "planned crash," the part about him turning around to check the back door rings bogus to me.

[kwatson696]

Thank you very much for that link!


You are welcome.:)

[The Saint]

RC,
about your question whether polygraphs have been administered on this case...
i'm not 100% sure. but polygraphs are frequently used to aid homicide investigators . even a POI's refusal to take one aids investigators in narrowing the scope of the investigation. in this case, the husband has refused to cooperate and answer simple questions.

i believe that polygraphs were administered and passed by MF, her boyfriend, LF and the 2 neighborhood young men.

LE knew from the beginning that this murder was "not random."

it was jake who implied that young family members had been asked to take polygraphs. i am not certain that they complied.

[jilly]

Hey Ya'll Just found this site great info and photos ............

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/1578641/

Thanks for this site kwatson! This is the first time I've heard they have a toll free tip line.

[nanandjim]

Hey Ya'll Just found this site great info and photos ............

http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/1578641/
The article goes on and on about a rape test not being performed. This was not a sexually motivatd crime as the author seems to indicate as a possibility. Wasn't Michelle found fully clothed? Plus, she was beaten to an everloving pulp. Overkill means someone who knew the victim and who was mad at her murdered her.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Are there any locals here that are familiar with the road? I know on other boards, people say they are familiar with it. It'd be interesting to know whether the site is more like was reported earlier, or more like what a certain poster was describing. Was it closer to 100' or 30'? How steep of an incline? He said 30', I believe, and that Jason carried her up the incline. She must have been really banged up, IMO. :silenced:

Has anyone heard more about this site other than from the certain poster? Just curious what y'all are thinking might be the truth.

[kwatson696]

I just read this....It was reported tonight by Greta van Susteren that Michelle was pregnant at the time of the car accident in May 2005. While driving on a local highway, Jason apparently lost control of the vehicle, veering off the highway and traveling down a 100 foot embankment into a river. The water was only a few feet deep, and both he and Michelle were able to escape the car unharmed.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1063178/


So it was 100 feet??????


The media originally reported that this car accident happened in May of this year and people who claim to know the couple seem to confirm that. However, Michelle could not possibly have been pregnant in May of 2006 and only be at 20 weeks gestation at the time of her death. The 2005 date makes more sense.

[strach304]

I thought she was only about 5 months along. Wasn't her due date at the end of March?

I didn't mean the 8th month applied to Michelle. Sorry I should have clarified that. She was pregnant when she married him, car accident and then the boating accident and murder. Seems like he could have been arranging accidents because of the pregnancies. Something happened around the date of the marriage I'm sure. The night of the murder had to have involved something that set him off to do it the way he did and not just to have an alibi of being out of town. There are other ways unless our early theories of him trying to strangle her and she fought him off in a way that caused him to pick up something to hit her with or he took it away from her.

[raisincharlie]

I just read this....It was reported tonight by Greta van Susteren that Michelle was pregnant at the time of the car accident in May 2005. While driving on a local highway, Jason apparently lost control of the vehicle, veering off the highway and traveling down a 100 foot embankment into a river. The water was only a few feet deep, and both he and Michelle were able to escape the car unharmed.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/1063178/


So it was 100 feet??????


The media originally reported that this car accident happened in May of this year and people who claim to know the couple seem to confirm that. However, Michelle could not possibly have been pregnant in May of 2006 and only be at 20 weeks gestation at the time of her death. The 2005 date makes more sense.

kwatson,

After the May accident - Michelle lost the baby within 2 weeks of the wreck, insiders say the wreck had nothing to do with it but another of those coincidences I suppose. She got pregnant again and was 20 weeks when she was murdered.

[caffeinatd]

The back lift up door on the Explorer is what we are talking about Ms. Jilly.:crazy: Like I told Smugshots, I'm in my own time zone sometimes...
I thought they were driving a Mitsubishi, it totalled b/c of water damage and then he got the Explder from her Dad. Either way, Mitsubishi have a door ajar alarm and light, if the back is not closed. jmo

[raisincharlie]

I thought they were driving a Mitsubishi, it totalled b/c of water damage and then he got the Explder from her Dad. Either way, Mitsubishi have a door ajar alarm and light, if the back is not closed. jmo

I told you I am in my own time zone - you are correct - it was the Mitsubishi that went down hill.


ETA - got any coffee handy, I'm fading fast here....

[pack_fan]

I told you I am in my own time zone - you are correct - it was the Mitsubishi that went down hill.


ETA - got any coffee handy, I'm fading fast here....

Well, have a cup of joe on me :D !

[raisincharlie]

Well, have a cup of joe on me :D !

Holy cow - where have you been hiding? Good to "see" you. Hope all is well! Its been:crazy: here.

[pack_fan]

Holy cow - where have you been hiding? Good to "see" you. Hope all is well! Its been:crazy: here.


Been a long time, was thinking about Michelle this evening so I thought I would drop in to see if anything was new. I'm going to read for a bit but will never catch up. Hope all is well with everyone, good to "see" you all too.

[strach304]

Hey there, Pack Fan :) Good to see you.

[pack_fan]

Hey there, Pack Fan :) Good to see you.

And you as well strach :blowkiss: .

[jilly]

I didn't mean the 8th month applied to Michelle. Sorry I should have clarified that. She was pregnant when she married him, car accident and then the boating accident and murder. Seems like he could have been arranging accidents because of the pregnancies. Something happened around the date of the marriage I'm sure. The night of the murder had to have involved something that set him off to do it the way he did and not just to have an alibi of being out of town. There are other ways unless our early theories of him trying to strangle her and she fought him off in a way that caused him to pick up something to hit her with or he took it away from her.

Hi Strach! I think he thought it was going to be easier to strangle her than it was. Sheriff said there was a "struggle" so I think Michelle got free for a moment there which riled him. He then reached in the end table for a flashlight and beat her to death. Bless her soul.

[daddydidit]

Hi Strach! I think he thought it was going to be easier to strangle her than it was. Sheriff said there was a "struggle" so I think Michelle got free for a moment there which riled him. He then reached in the end table for a flashlight and beat her to death. Bless her soul.


Bless her soul is right no one should have to die like that poor thing did.

[strach304]

Quite right Jilly, I think she picked up something and whacked him in the head. I know LE took pics of Jason but I'm not sure they'd be able to find a knot or gash on his head by the time they got the warrant. Hair would hide that. Swelling would've gone down and a cut would've healed somewhat as well by that time I would think.

[sweetmop]

Hi Everyone! I'm dropping in too late tonight. I've just been reading here and trying to catch up.
How was the boating accident first found out about? That's just so unreal to me. Jason had been thinking about getting rid of Michelle for quite a while, it sounds like.
I sure hope and pray that LE knows all about this act.

[sweetmop]

Saint, please check your pm's. :)

[snowshuze]

kwatson,

After the May accident - Michelle lost the baby within 2 weeks of the wreck, insiders say the wreck had nothing to do with it but another of those coincidences I suppose. She got pregnant again and was 20 weeks when she was murdered.
I would be interested in reading the report the OB doc submitted concerning the reasons behind a therapeutic abortion. I feel it will probably come out in testimony at trial.

ETA: Report perhaps was not the right terminology. Her medical records would have documentation for his decision in that regard.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi Everyone! I'm dropping in too late tonight. I've just been reading here and trying to catch up.
How was the boating accident first found out about? That's just so unreal to me. Jason had been thinking about getting rid of Michelle for quite a while, it sounds like.
I sure hope and pray that LE knows all about this act.

Good morning sweetmop!

Thinking about that boating incident - if it happened, I would bet that was very unsettling to Michelle and I'd think that it would be a natural reaction to at least tell a few people, such as her mom, sister, best friends, etc. Just as we all talk about things that happened over the weekend, etc. That's if she never thought Jason was doing anything dastardly and it was truly an "accident." Soooo, if I were a betting person, if the incident happened - one or more people heard from her what happened. That's a very good thing. ;)

[Niner]

Am I the only one here who has no idea what is going on? Where can I find out some inside info, and not the Jake stuff, just legitimate stuff? Is there another board where there is info? And where the heck is Sami gone to? And is there going to be an arrest soon??? I sure hope so.
I'm as much in the dark as you are mama cita. i wish I knew what the heck everyone is being so secretive about. Oh, well... guess I'l just have to sweat it out and wait for something to hit the papers.

Yes me too!! Lost that is... and what is this about babies - sons - was Michelle pregnant with TWINS???
I could be lost, as I'm still on Thread 20 back on July 5th.... hope to catch and 'see' if you guys are telling any of these secrets!! LOL!

[Jubal]

Yes me too!! Lost that is... and what is this about babies - sons - was Michelle pregnant with TWINS???
I could be lost, as I'm still on Thread 20 back on July 5th.... hope to catch and 'see' if you guys are telling any of these secrets!! LOL!

That refers to Michelle's two pregnancies--the one that was terminated by threapeutic abortion several weeks after the car accident, and the one she was carrying when she was killed. Both were reputed to have been boys.

MOO

[sweetmop]

Hi Niner, Mama-cita, and less0305!
I too feel a little out of the loop on the goings ons here. There are a few of our kind fellow sleuthers that have tried to catch me up on things.

I think RC or The Saint would be really good ones to give a brief summation of some of the latest that is now known.

Let's just say that JY apparently had attempted a couple of prior murderous attempts on Michelle before he finally bludgeoned her to death.

Just when you think this story is as bad as it gets, we hear something even more demented and dastardly!

JY really has no business at all having the custody of sweet little Cassidy, IMHO. :( I do worry over her welfare.

It's a dreary gray day here, perfect day for the arrest of a killer. IMHO.

[fran]

kwatson,

After the May accident - Michelle lost the baby within 2 weeks of the wreck, insiders say the wreck had nothing to do with it but another of those coincidences I suppose. She got pregnant again and was 20 weeks when she was murdered.

Sorry, I'm not buyin' it for a minute, that the accident was NOT a cause of the loss of the baby!

A 100' drop and landing in the water? No way Jose. The accident was the cause of the loss of that baby, IMHO.

Where is this story coming from about a boating accident? When was that?

JMHO and curious,
fran

[jilly]

Sorry, I'm not buyin' it for a minute, that the accident was NOT a cause of the loss of the baby!

A 100' drop and landing in the water? No way Jose. The accident was the cause of the loss of that baby, IMHO.

Where is this story coming from about a boating accident? When was that?

JMHO and curious,
fran

Hi Fran! The boating accident happened just before their 3rd anniversary. RC addressed this in post 59 (this thread). It's a little hard to keep up with all these little tidbits coming out lately. Who the story came from - don't know exactly but I would think it's someone who knows Michelle.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Sorry, I'm not buyin' it for a minute, that the accident was NOT a cause of the loss of the baby!

A 100' drop and landing in the water? No way Jose. The accident was the cause of the loss of that baby, IMHO.

Where is this story coming from about a boating accident? When was that?

JMHO and curious,
fran

Fran,
I agree 100%. No matter how hard the JY camp tried to lead us to thinking the two situations were unrelated, I don't buy it. JMO, of course.
But if it would have happened to me - the crash and then having to terminate the pregnancy because the baby stopped thriving within a week or two? I would never be able to get rid of the thought that it was related, even if my OB/GYN told me they weren't.

The JY camp has told us over and over that Michelle's OB/GYN told them that the crash did not cause it. I am only wondering about this - would an OB/GYN try to "soften" the guilt they might feel if they knew it really did cause it? I don't know, ethically, if a dr would do that. I would hope a dr would tell me the honest answer, but maybe he/she cushioned the heartache of losing the baby? I don't know, but what do you think?

ETA: I should clarify that IMO, only Michelle would have really been feeling the "heartache" of losing the baby.

[Schmerty_Jones]

What is very puzzling to me.......
!) Michelle was a brilliant student cheerleader, vivacious.
2) She has better earning power than "booty boy"
3) She wanted a family....but without a father??
4)He obviously resented getting married
5) She must have realized that attempts were being made on her life & her pregnancies....
She just stayed in this situation when she could be better off on her own ..or was she in the process of ending this horrible relationship.? She had brains ,beauty, a loving mother & sister & a generous father. Jason's family obviously never cared for her & show it openly since her death.
What am I missing here.?????:waitasec:

[The Saint]

What is very puzzling to me.......
!) Michelle was a brilliant student cheerleader, vivacious.
2) She has better earning power than "booty boy"
3) She wanted a family....but without a father??
4)He obviously resented getting married
5) She must have realized that attempts were being made on her life & her pregnancies....
She just stayed in this situation when she could be better off on her own ..or was she in the process of ending this horrible relationship.? She had brains ,beauty, a loving mother & sister & a generous father. Jason's family obviously never cared for her & show it openly since her death.
What am I missing here.?????:waitasec:
michelle came from a home where the parents were divorced. she might have been trying to hold it together for cassidy and jason jr's sake.

michelle was a strong willed person. she might have thought that she could fix the problems. or maybe she felt she couldn't and she was going to divorce jason - the most dangerous, pivotal moment in a pregnant woman's life. that decision cost her life.

[jilly]

michelle came from a home where the parents were divorced. she might have been trying to hold it togethr for cassidy and jason jr's sake.

michelle was a strong willed person. she might have thought that she could fix the problems. or maybe she felt she couldn't and she was going to divorce jason - the most dangerous, pivotal moment in a pregnant woman's life. that decision cost her life.

I think this is very possible Saint. Very insightful. In fact, I'd bet this is the way it was. Also, I think Michelle had a dream like many of us women - a family of our own. How many women do you hear about that stay in an abusive marriage for the sake of the kids? Many women think that they can fix the problems and that the man will change. That being said...jy must have had some good points otherwise she wouldn't have married him.

Reminds me of Laci Peterson. Her parents were divorced as well and Scott like jy were on their way (so they thought) to becoming the sole provider.

We've heard that Michelle was planning on quitting her job or taking a long leave of absence. She was planning on being a homemaker. If they divorced, she'd have to work full time and the children would be looked after by a nanny. That wasn't her plan. I can see where she would be willing to make sacrifices so that her dream could come true.

I don't believe she thought the guy would ever kill her....I mean, who thinks that unless one is physically abusive. There's no evidence of that here. I think she could very easily believe that the 'accidents' were just that - accidents.

I don't even know if she knew about MM. If she did, I don't believe she found out that fateful night. I think this murder was planned way ahead of time. If she did know beforehand, she didn't go to a lawyer; she went to a therapist. If this is the case, then I have to believe she was still willing to hang onto the marriage.

[fran]

Hi Fran! The boating accident happened just before their 3rd anniversary. RC addressed this in post 59 (this thread). It's a little hard to keep up with all these little tidbits coming out lately. Who the story came from - don't know exactly but I would think it's someone who knows Michelle.

Thanks jilly!

I went back and read post 59. What the heck! When she was pregnant she had a boating accident?!

When she's pregnant she's in a car accident and loses the baby!

When she's pregnant she MURDERED!

OMGosh! This is wayyyy to transparent, IMHO.

It's kinda' like when SP told Amber he'd 'lost his wife,' ...............BEFORE he'd lost her!

IMHO, he wanted the wife, after all she was his meal ticket! He just didn't want the KIDS!!

LE, LISTEN!! Arrest that man!! He's guilty as He!!.....:eek: .....IMHO

The 'circumstances' are MOUNTING! Pretty soon the stack will be too high to ignore!

JMHO
fran

[concernedperson]

Thanks jilly!

I went back and read post 59. What the heck! When she was pregnant she had a boating accident?!

When she's pregnant she's in a car accident and loses the baby!

When she's pregnant she MURDERED!

OMGosh! This is wayyyy to transparent, IMHO.

It's kinda' like when SP told Amber he'd 'lost his wife,' ...............BEFORE he'd lost her!

IMHO, he wanted the wife, after all she was his meal ticket! He just didn't want the KIDS!!

LE, LISTEN!! Arrest that man!! He's guilty as He!!.....:eek: .....IMHO

The 'circumstances' are MOUNTING! Pretty soon the stack will be too high to ignore!

JMHO
fran

Could you be clearer? J/K I understand and totally agree.

[fran]

Fran,
I agree 100%. No matter how hard the JY camp tried to lead us to thinking the two situations were unrelated, I don't buy it. JMO, of course.
But if it would have happened to me - the crash and then having to terminate the pregnancy because the baby stopped thriving within a week or two? I would never be able to get rid of the thought that it was related, even if my OB/GYN told me they weren't.

I don't know, but what do you think?


Hi DD!

IMHO, the 'JY camp' is lying, IMHO. :loser:

That's what I think,
fran

[strach304]

I'd just like to point out that we don't know for sure that Michelle didn't have plans for a divorce. We've heard just the opposite from very early on in this case. With the rumors from so called insiders it's hard to tell what the truth is sometimes. If Michelle was planning a divorce I think Linda Fisher knew about it.

[jilly]

Thanks jilly!

LE, LISTEN!! Arrest that man!! He's guilty as He!!.....:eek: .....IMHO

The 'circumstances' are MOUNTING! Pretty soon the stack will be too high to ignore!

JMHO
fran

I'm quoting you, just in case LE is reading here and missed it! lol

I'm sure LE must have a list like Grogan's by now.

[DEPUTYDAWG]

I'd just like to point out that we don't know for sure that Michelle didn't have plans for a divorce. We've heard just the opposite from very early on in this case. With the rumors from so called insiders it's hard to tell what the truth is sometimes. If Michelle was planning a divorce I think Linda Fisher knew about it.

Totally agree.
Nice to see you, Strach.

[jilly]

I'd just like to point out that we don't know for sure that Michelle didn't have plans for a divorce. We've heard just the opposite from very early on in this case. With the rumors from so called insiders it's hard to tell what the truth is sometimes. If Michelle was planning a divorce I think Linda Fisher knew about it.

That's true Strach. I agree...Linda Fisher would know. Gosh...it must be so hard for her to sit on her hands and just be patient for justice.

[Taximom]

I'm quoting you, just in case LE is reading here and missed it! lol

I'm sure LE must have a list like Grogan's by now.

In some cases LE just has to change the name from Scott to...well, you know. :cool:

[jilly]

In some cases LE just has to change the name from Scott to...well, you know. :cool:

I've always wondered if this guy followed the Peterson case. I mean, afterall, it was national and there was some sort of coverage every day. Maybe he discussed it with his buddies ya know or even Michelle. I'm sure she must have watched some coverage just like many of us mothers.

[fran]

I've always wondered if this guy followed the Peterson case. I mean, afterall, it was national and there was some sort of coverage every day. Maybe he discussed it with his buddies ya know or even Michelle. I'm sure she must have watched some coverage just like many of us mothers.

IF he did follow the Peterson case, he would know that many people suspected the husband, because in a stranger murder, no need to 'get rid' of the elephant in the middle of the room, the body. In ALL of the 'missing/disappearance' cases, the SO/DH are the first looked at. He tried accident, but it never worked!

Now we have a MURDER/DOUBLE (pregnant mother) and he has an ehhh.........alibi!

motive/means/opportunity? That's the question LE needs to put together.

Only LE and JY know if they've met their goal or IF there's a WAY to meet that goal.

Is there Jason? :eek:

Any loose ends?:doh:

JMHO
fran

[Taximom]

I've always wondered if this guy followed the Peterson case. I mean, afterall, it was national and there was some sort of coverage every day. Maybe he discussed it with his buddies ya know or even Michelle. I'm sure she must have watched some coverage just like many of us mothers.

Don't forget about Michael Peterson. Granted, his wife wasn't pregnant, but he still tried to get away with her murder. That didn't work out so well, did it? :crazy:

Sleep well, Jason.

[strach304]

Totally agree.
Nice to see you, Strach.

You too DD :blowkiss: I'm always around.

If he learned anything valuable from SP it was to keep his mouth shut and I've seen enough excuses given for that. We know why he isn't talking.

[The Saint]

You too DD :blowkiss: I'm always around.

If he learned anything valuable from SP it was to keep his mouth shut and I've seen enough excuses given for that. We know why he isn't talking.

yes, strach.
he tried to kill his poor wife THREE TIMES and succeeded on the 3rd attempt!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

You too DD :blowkiss: I'm always around.

If he learned anything valuable from SP it was to keep his mouth shut and I've seen enough excuses given for that. We know why he isn't talking.


Just watching the news this morning and they were discussing the Lisa Stebic case. When talking about Craig Stebic - explained the whole "person of interest" situation...and talked about why one might become a POI.

OMG! One could have exchanged the name "Craig" with "Jason" and it would have fit. Talking about behavior that is often consciousness of guilt. Fit a certain Jason to a tee! Hmmm, a "coincidence?" :crazy:

JMO

[sweetmop]

Just watching the news this morning and they were discussing the Lisa Stebic case. When talking about Craig Stebic - explained the whole "person of interest" situation...and talked about why one might become a POI.

OMG! One could have exchanged the name "Craig" with "Jason" and it would have fit. Talking about behavior that is often consciousness of guilt. Fit a certain Jason to a tee! Hmmm, a "coincidence?" :crazy:

JMO
Hi DD! TGI... saturday! LOL
Hope you're doing well this morning!
I saw a news report on the Stebic case too. Very informative. And I couldn't help but think of ole Booty Boy through that whole report either!
Did you notice in this case the guy refuses to let LE speak with the children? poor kids! More innocent children to live with the scars of their father's selfish act!:furious:

[fran]

yes, strach.
he tried to kill his poor wife THREE TIMES and succeeded on the 3rd attempt!

OhMyGosh!

When I read your words, it sent chills down my spine.:(

One thing we've learned from LE out of all the cases we've watched in the past couple of years, there is 'no coincidence when it comes to murder.':eek:

Jason must have fallen asleep during that portion of the lesson. He gets an 'F' for this class!:rolleyes:

Suspect, POI, whatever they want to call him, he can stay as quiet as a mouse, :silenced: but he KNOWS LE is looking at him,.......... very, very, very closely. One little slip up, and the entire house of cards will tumble down.

What MISTAKE did Michelle's murderer make?:doh:

Time will tell.:loser:

JMHO
fran

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi DD! TGI... saturday! LOL
Hope you're doing well this morning!
I saw a news report on the Stebic case too. Very informative. And I couldn't help but think of ole Booty Boy through that whole report either!
Did you notice in this case the guy refuses to let LE speak with the children? poor kids! More innocent children to live with the scars of their father's selfish act!:furious:

Interesting that you thought of Booty Boy (oh please, gag me!) as well. Coincidence again, LOL. Poor Jason, so many coincidences in his case. Yep, the not allowing the children to speak to LE is just unnatural behavior in the case of an innocent parent.

Maybe Dr. Godwin could explain why that might be.

[jilly]

IF he did follow the Peterson case, he would know that many people suspected the husband, because in a stranger murder, no need to 'get rid' of the elephant in the middle of the room, the body. In ALL of the 'missing/disappearance' cases, the SO/DH are the first looked at. He tried accident, but it never worked!

Now we have a MURDER/DOUBLE (pregnant mother) and he has an ehhh.........alibi!

motive/means/opportunity? That's the question LE needs to put together.

Only LE and JY know if they've met their goal or IF there's a WAY to meet that goal.

Is there Jason? :eek:

Any loose ends?:doh:

JMHO
fran

Well....let's think of what else he might have learned from the SP trial:

1. Keeps his mouth shut after the murder, unlike SP. Lawyers up right away.
2. Turns off his cell phone before, during and after the murder. So much info at the SP trial about cell phones, towers & pings.
3. Possibly uses a computer at the library to do all his research (how to strangle someone) unlike SP who did his research on his own.
4. Not worried about his & Michelle's dna at his house - takes a shower to cleanup.
5. Stops communicating with MM after the murder except for contact at the funeral.
6. Doesn't go to Michelle's memorial

[spring]

Well....let's think of what else he might have learned from the SP trial:

1. Keeps his mouth shut after the murder, unlike SP. Lawyers up right away.
2. Turns off his cell phone before, during and after the murder. So much info at the SP trial about cell phones, towers & pings.
3. Possibly uses a computer at the library to do all his research (how to strangle someone) unlike SP who did his research on his own.
4. Not worried about his & Michelle's dna at his house - takes a shower to cleanup.
5. Stops communicating with MM after the murder except for contact at the funeral.
6. Doesn't go to Michelle's memorial


great post! i admire people who can make a list and show a point. i wonder who exactly cut off communications between jy and MM.

[sweetmop]

Hi Gang! We just got in from an afternoon wedding.It was gorgeous, outdoors and the day stayed nice, it was sunny, but not too hot, with a nice soft breeze coming through.No afternoon thunderstorms and showers! As I watched the young beautiful couple dance their first dance together, my thoughts went to Michelle for a while. She was a happy bride on her special day, I imagine. Was JY a happy new husband, ever? I wonder what kind of vibes he gave off that day? Was he heavily under the influence of alcohol? Was he attentive to Michelle on that day? Was he ever?

And now today I just wonder if JY has any regrets or wishing he could turn back the clock 8 1/2 months? Maybe try a little hard. Give a little more. Be thankful for the love of a beautiful wife and little girl? When did the hate and evil thoughts come into his brain and heart ? Were they always in there? And were triggered by something? I know he wasn't in love with MM, no thoughts of leaving his wife for another, I don't think. Did he long for the single life, to be the party boy? Booty Boy the Party Boy!

Is he being the party boy these days? Is he having flings with a different sexy woman every other week? I don't think so... too much to risk, like being spotted by someone. So, what was he thinking? Was the murder worth it? I just really can not understand at all. and, I never will!


Jason, are you happy now???

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Hi Gang! We just got in from an afternoon wedding.It was gorgeous, outdoors and the day stayed nice, it was sunny, but not too hot, with a nice soft breeze coming through.No afternoon thunderstorms and showers! As I watched the young beautiful couple dance their first dance together, my thoughts went to Michelle for a while. She was a happy bride on her special day, I imagine. Was JY a happy new husband, ever? I wonder what kind of vibes he gave off that day? Was he heavily under the influence of alcohol? Was he attentive to Michelle on that day? Was he ever?

And now today I just wonder if JY has any regrets or wishing he could turn back the clock 8 1/2 months? Maybe try a little hard. Give a little more. Be thankful for the love of a beautiful wife and little girl? When did the hate and evil thoughts come into his brain and heart ? Were they always in there? And were triggered by something? I know he wasn't in love with MM, no thoughts of leaving his wife for another, I don't think. Did he long for the single life, to be the party boy? Booty Boy the Party Boy!

Is he being the party boy these days? Is he having flings with a different sexy woman every other week? I don't think so... too much to risk, like being spotted by someone. So, what was he thinking? Was the murder worth it? I just really can not understand at all. and, I never will!


Jason, are you happy now???

Worth repeating.......

[concernedperson]

I honestly truly believe that Jason is sociopathic with his behavior. I think Michelle was just starting to understand the implications in the year before her death with all the "accidents" and "absences" and I am sure very cold behavior to the point of being abusive.

May she have justice soon.

[philamena]

I simply don't understand why Jason has the freedom to sale the house. His wife was brutally murdered in the house and he imo is the perp. So what IS really taking NC so long to arrest this man>?>??

[sweetmop]

I simply don't understand why Jason has the freedom to sale the house. His wife was brutally murdered in the house and he imo is the perp. So what IS really taking NC so long to arrest this man>?>??

hey there philamena!

I'm right there with you on this one. I don't understand this either. And really technically JY is THE ( emphasis ) POI, if you, off the record ask any member of LE!
Maybe ole Jason can go ahead and sell the house, but that still won't make him innocent, will it?
And I believe in due time, sooner now than later, Jason will get what's coming to him... in a really big way!!!

[sweetmop]

I honestly truly believe that Jason is sociopathic with his behavior. I think Michelle was just starting to understand the implications in the year before her death with all the "accidents" and "absences" and I am sure very cold behavior to the point of being abusive.

May she have justice soon.


I agree! Michelle was so wrapped up in the fantasy 'her dream', of the happy home and family. Then when she began to figure out the reality of JY's actions and intentions toward her and her dream, it was too late!:furious:

Well I believe in karma... what goes around comes around! And, I sure wouldn't want to be in Jason Lynn Young's shoes, not for a minute. Would you?

[haypaula]

Thanks jilly!

I went back and read post 59. What the heck! When she was pregnant she had a boating accident?!

When she's pregnant she's in a car accident and loses the baby!

When she's pregnant she MURDERED!

OMGosh! This is wayyyy to transparent, IMHO.

It's kinda' like when SP told Amber he'd 'lost his wife,' ...............BEFORE he'd lost her!

IMHO, he wanted the wife, after all she was his meal ticket! He just didn't want the KIDS!!

LE, LISTEN!! Arrest that man!! He's guilty as He!!.....:eek: .....IMHO

The 'circumstances' are MOUNTING! Pretty soon the stack will be too high to ignore!

JMHO
fran

Hi Fran!

I feel confident LE knows who did this, which seems obvious to me from the probable cause listed on the SWs. I sincerely believe the Duke Lacrosse fiasco has far-reaching effects, not only in the State of NC, where Michelle was murdered, but throughout the USA. Before a DA presents a case to the GJ, which is said to have the ability to "indict a ham sandwich", I believe they want all loose ends tied up before proceeding.

JY lawyered up immediately after having been "told" his pregnant wife was bludgeoned to death, and his lawyer, if aware LE doesn't have every "i" dotted and every "t" crossed, could request a speedy trial.

As of this time, JY hasn't claimed Michelle's life insurance policy proceeds, which is telling in itself. Look at what happened to Justin Barber when he claimed April's policy proceeds. That deposition was used at his criminal trial as effectively as if he had taken the stand in his own defense. The insurance lawyer asked the same type of questions the Pros would have asked, and JB incriminated himself with his answers which defied the crime scene.

I think LE has JY exactly where they want him, and they are in no hurry to arrest him. The more JY remains free, the more he will likely incriminate himself, just as SP did, except JY's lawyer told him not to give interviews to the media, and unlike Scott, JY is apparently heeding that advice.

BTW, there are so many coincidences surrounding JY, as it relates to Michelle's murder, and you can tell from my sig line how I view them, LOL!

IMO

[5bigfish5]

I agree! Michelle was so wrapped up in the fantasy 'her dream', of the happy home and family. Then when she began to figure out the reality of JY's actions and intentions toward her and her dream, it was too late!:furious:

Well I believe in karma... what goes around comes around! And, I sure wouldn't want to be in Jason Lynn Young's shoes, not for a minute. Would you?


Hi Sweetmop,

It also seems like Michelle was busy putting food on the table and a roof over their heads, while Jason was either out cavorting or trying to "find himself" and a "fit" in the job world.

Ungrateful, thy name is Jason.

5BigFish5

[sweetmop]

Hi Fran!

I feel confident LE knows who did this, which seems obvious to me from the probable cause listed on the SWs. I sincerely believe the Duke Lacrosse fiasco has far-reaching effects, not only in the State of NC, where Michelle was murdered, but throughout the USA. Before a DA presents a case to the GJ, which is said to have the ability to "indict a ham sandwich", I believe they want all loose ends tied up before proceeding.

JY lawyered up immediately after having been "told" his pregnant wife was bludgeoned to death, and his lawyer, if aware LE doesn't have every "i" dotted and every "t" crossed, could request a speedy trial.

As of this time, JY hasn't claimed Michelle's life insurance policy proceeds, which is telling in itself. Look at what happened to Justin Barber when he claimed April's policy proceeds. That deposition was used at his criminal trial as effectively as if he had taken the stand in his own defense. The insurance lawyer asked the same type of questions the Pros would have asked, and JB incriminated himself with his answers which defied the crime scene.

I think LE has JY exactly where they want him, and they are in no hurry to arrest him. The more JY remains free, the more he will likely incriminate himself, just as SP did, except JY's lawyer told him not to give interviews to the media, and unlike Scott, JY is apparently heeding that advice.

BTW, there are so many coincidences surrounding JY, as it relates to Michelle's murder, and you can tell from my sig line how I view them, LOL!

IMO

Really great post haypaula! Good points made, and I agree with them all!
I only wish JY would trip himself up in a major way soon. I do believe JY is the perp. Just, how in God's in the world can he stay completely silent about all of this? He won't speak a word to one human being about the crime? It's difficult for my brain to wrap around the fact that he murdered Michelle,then has kept quiet, not uttering one solitary word to anyone about anything! Can you imagine how he is feeling today right now? Paranoia will destroy ya, Jason!!!

I wonder if he will screw up somewhere and say something , the wrong statement to someone. I wonder if he already has!

Wasn't there a post somewhere stating that JY was seen at Birchleaf the night of the murder.Or is that a tall tale?

JY's actions or his non actions are very very telling, that's for sure. He is between a rock and a hard place regarding the insurance proceeds. Don't you know that's driving him crazy? So many outstanding circumstances swirling all around JY, if I were in his shoes I'd have already been taken to the Looney Bin:silenced: !!!

Tomorrow is the beginning of another week, will this be THE week we have all been patiently waiting for? I pray it is.

To Jason Young :loser: Get ready, cause they're coming to take you away, ha ha! Sooner, not later! LE's got your number!!!

[sweetmop]

Hi Sweetmop,

It also seems like Michelle was busy putting food on the table and a roof over their heads, while Jason was either out cavorting or trying to "find himself" and a "fit" in the job world.

Ungrateful, thy name is Jason.

5BigFish5

Wow isn't that the truth?
Michelle was doing what most of us moms and wives do.Take care of our family and make a nice and happy home for them to come to.God love her.

Poor girl, wish someone could have talked her into having her baby and being a single mother!Just never entering into marriage with Booty Boy! In her case, that would have been the best thing, the safest thing to do!!!

Wonder how much cavorting ole JY is doing these days?

Oh well, soon he'll have plenty of time to " find himself " won't he? If Bubba doesn't " find " him first!

[DEPUTYDAWG]

Really great post haypaula! Good points made, and I agree with them all!
I only wish JY would trip himself up in a major way soon. I do believe JY is the perp. Just, how in God's in the world can he stay completely silent about all of this? He won't speak a word to one human being about the crime? It's difficult for my brain to wrap around the fact that he murdered Michelle,then has kept quiet, not uttering one solitary word to anyone about anything! Can you imagine how he is feeling today right now? Paranoia will destroy ya, Jason!!!

I wonder if he will screw up somewhere and say something , the wrong statement to someone. I wonder if he already has!

Wasn't there a post somewhere stating that JY was seen at Birchleaf the night of the murder.Or is that a tall tale?

JY's actions or his non actions are very very telling, that's for sure. He is between a rock and a hard place regarding the insurance proceeds. Don't you know that's driving him crazy? So many outstanding circumstances swirling all around JY, if I were in his shoes I'd have already been taken to the Looney Bin:silenced: !!!

Tomorrow is the beginning of another week, will this be THE week we have all been patiently waiting for? I pray it is.

To Jason Young :loser: Get ready, cause they're coming to take you away, ha ha! Sooner, not later! LE's got your number!!!

I love the saying, "Paranoia will destroy ya."
Although he's not talking, the black cloud of suspicion isn't going away, either. That's got to get old. Then again, if he's "moving on" and it's not bothering him, then he's just flat out sick. IMO.

Time is against him, IMO. :D

[jilly]

JY's actions or his non actions are very very telling, that's for sure. He is between a rock and a hard place regarding the insurance proceeds. Don't you know that's driving him crazy? So many outstanding circumstances swirling all around JY, if I were in his shoes I'd have already been taken to the Looney Bin:silenced: !!!



You bring up a good point. I wonder what his family is saying to him about the insurance claim. They're saying that he didn't murder Michelle, so I wonder if they are encouraging him to collect the insurance. Should be shouldn't they? I wonder what their excuse would be if they're not?

[haypaula]

Really great post haypaula! Good points made, and I agree with them all!
I only wish JY would trip himself up in a major way soon. I do believe JY is the perp. Just, how in God's in the world can he stay completely silent about all of this? He won't speak a word to one human being about the crime? It's difficult for my brain to wrap around the fact that he murdered Michelle,then has kept quiet, not uttering one solitary word to anyone about anything! Can you imagine how he is feeling today right now? Paranoia will destroy ya, Jason!!!

I wonder if he will screw up somewhere and say something , the wrong statement to someone. I wonder if he already has!

Wasn't there a post somewhere stating that JY was seen at Birchleaf the night of the murder.Or is that a tall tale?

JY's actions or his non actions are very very telling, that's for sure. He is between a rock and a hard place regarding the insurance proceeds. Don't you know that's driving him crazy? So many outstanding circumstances swirling all around JY, if I were in his shoes I'd have already been taken to the Looney Bin:silenced: !!!

Tomorrow is the beginning of another week, will this be THE week we have all been patiently waiting for? I pray it is.

To Jason Young :loser: Get ready, cause they're coming to take you away, ha ha! Sooner, not later! LE's got your number!!!

Hi Sweetmop and thanks!

I agree that Michelle's life insurance policy proceeds pose a problem for JY. Is Jason prepared to answer the insurance company's questions into the death of his wife? Surely he will be deposed in that regard.

If so, how will that improve JY's public image, that for the love of money he is willing to answer the insurance company's questions about the death of his wife; yet for the love of his wife, he refused to answer LE's questions into her death?

If JY were to do that, surely the allegations in the SW, that the life insurance policy was the probable cause motive would be bolstered, and rightfully so.

Yet, OTOH, not claiming the proceeds from Michelle's policy makes him appear guilty as well, ironically for the same reason, i.e., that he doesn't want to be deposed and have to answer questions surrounding Michelle's murder.

IMO

[Stoli]

Interesting statement from back in February:

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/...arrants-served/ (http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/...arrants-served/)

'As I write, I fight back the tears. What a sad world we live in! A woman is killed and we immediately point to her husband. The man who is supposed to love her most in the world, who is her soulmate, her other half. Marriage is not to be taken lightly…I don’t think that Jason was faithful. I’m honest when I say that. Hell, he even propositioned me once at the beginning of his marriage. I responded with a quick “no, you’re married.” '

[sweetmop]

Hi Sweetmop and thanks!

I agree that Michelle's life insurance policy proceeds pose a problem for JY. Is Jason prepared to answer the insurance company's questions into the death of his wife? Surely he will be deposed in that regard.

If so, how will that improve JY's public image, that for the love of money he is willing to answer the insurance company's questions about the death of his wife; yet for the love of his wife, he refused to answer LE's questions into her death?

If JY were to do that, surely the allegations in the SW, that the life insurance policy was the probable cause motive would be bolstered, and rightfully so.

Yet, OTOH, not claiming the proceeds from Michelle's policy makes him appear guilty as well, ironically for the same reason, i.e., that he doesn't want to be deposed and have to answer questions surrounding Michelle's murder.

IMO

haypaula, don't you just know that JY is so wanting his hands on that $1million dollars! I bet that whole issue is drivng him nuts! He would receive that much money, quite a little " nest egg " for a player such as JY! Yet, if he receives it he must be deposed by the insurance company and ... UH OH!!! wouldn't LE be more than a little curious with his answers! It's my understanding that they could and would use his answers against him!
I do wonder what his family and friends think about the fact that he's just not doing anything toward getting that ball rolling. Aren't they a little bit interested in knowing why he hasn't begun that process? I know if he were my son,brother or friend I sure would wonder. I guess they aren't asking any questions, because they don't want to upset him, or they may be afraid of the answer!

[haypaula]

Interesting statement from back in February:

http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/...arrants-served/ (http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/...arrants-served/)

'As I write, I fight back the tears. What a sad world we live in! A woman is killed and we immediately point to her husband. The man who is supposed to love her most in the world, who is her soulmate, her other half. Marriage is not to be taken lightly…I don’t think that Jason was faithful. I’m honest when I say that. Hell, he even propositioned me once at the beginning of his marriage. I responded with a quick “no, you’re married.” '

Hi Stoli!

Although I couldn't locate that statement from the link, I'm not surprised by it. I don't think JY would have married if Michelle wasn't pregnant. Pregnancies will likely play a major role when this case is finally tried, as "accidents" (one auto and allegedly one boating) occurred during Michelle's pregnancies and she was bludgeoned to death while pregnant.

Although I have some thoughts on what Michelle might have told the psychologist, which was deemed as being potentially relevant to her murder, I am anxious to learn what was actually disclosed.

IMO

[haypaula]

haypaula, don't you just know that JY is so wanting his hands on that $1million dollars! I bet that whole issue is drivng him nuts! He would receive that much money, quite a little " nest egg " for a player such as JY! Yet, if he receives it he must be deposed by the insurance company and ... UH OH!!! wouldn't LE be more than a little curious with his answers! It's my understanding that they could and would use his answers against him!
I do wonder what his family and friends think about the fact that he's just not doing anything toward getting that ball rolling. Aren't they a little bit interested in knowing why he hasn't begun that process? I know if he were my son,brother or friend I sure would wonder. I guess they aren't asking any questions, because they don't want to upset him, or they may be afraid of the answer!

My personal opinion is that JY's family already knows the answers, and that's why his stepfather allegedly told him to get a lawyer from the get-go. I find his family's behavior odd, along with his own. They also claimed to have found a tooth at the crime scene, which they claim was overlooked by LE, and they allegedly compared JY's shoes to a bloody shoeprint at the crime scene. It wouldn't surprise me if his family assisted him with his alibi, before or after the fact, either knowingly or unwittingly.

There are lots of similarities between the Peterson West case and this one. It wouldn't surprise me if the same animosity will surface between the Youngs and the Fishers. When JY is tried, (and I believe he will be) his family might very well resent Michelle's family, blaming Michelle and them for JY's dilemma.

IMO

[concernedperson]

My personal opinion is that JY's family already knows the answers, and that's why his stepfather allegedly told him to get a lawyer from the get-go. I find his family's behavior odd, along with his own. They also claimed to have found a tooth at the crime scene, which they claim was overlooked by LE, and they allegedly compared JY's shoes to a bloody shoeprint at the crime scene. It wouldn't surprise me if his family assisted him with his alibi, before or after the fact, either knowingly or unwittingly.

There are lots of similarities between the Peterson West case and this one. It wouldn't surprise me if the same animosity will surface between the Youngs and the Fishers. When JY is tried, (and I believe he will be) his family might very well resent Michelle's family, blaming Michelle and them for JY's dilemma.

IMO

I love reading your posts. All of my thoughts come together when you put it in a logical manner. It is taking history with so many crimes and weaving the facts with the reactions that conclusions can be deduced. If you aren't in LE they should be soliciting you.

[haypaula]

I love reading your posts. All of my thoughts come together when you put it in a logical manner. It is taking history with so many crimes and weaving the facts with the reactions that conclusions can be deduced. If you aren't in LE they should be soliciting you.

Thanks for your kind words, CP.

The irony in so many of these cases is the thing they kill for is lost to them in the end; be it their freedom and/or money. Poetic justice indeed, but sadly, at the cost of two lives, one of whom never took a breath on this earth.

In all of these cases, there are a number of coincidences occurring before, during and after the murders, which cannot be avoided due to the very nature of the crime and the motive/s attached. I truly believe my sig line.

I also believe there is no such thing as a perfect crime; only an imperfect investigation.

IMO

I'm an insurance agent by profession, CP.

[The Saint]

i don't think jason feels much pressure because he's a psychopath.
he's moving on. he took care of his pesky problem (his wife).

but the pressure on his family must be enormous.
and how about the effect on his friends who are in such a state of denial?

our stressed out retired brevardian is now posting on yet another crime board. he's trudging his way through cyberspace.

he is posting trash and pretending to be 2 other posters including a black woman.

he needs help.

[Jubal]

i don't think jason feels much pressure because he's a psychopath.
he's moving on. he took care of his pesky problem (his wife).

but the pressure on his family must be enormous.
and how about the effect on his friends who are in such a state of denial?

our stressed out retired brevardian is now posting on yet another crime board. he's trudging his way through cyberspace.

he is posting trash and pretending to be 2 other posters including a black woman.

he needs help.

He's WHAT?

Can you say where, or is it not allowed? Is this all in defense of Jason?

:chicken:

[The Saint]

the moderator asked us not to bring fights from other boards here, so i won't post the link.

i don't want to give gojo anymore attention, but let's just say he is writing in ebonics and making racist references as well as threatening known posters on this case. he is twisting posters posts to fit his agenda.

i'll PM you with the link.

but this gives you an idea of the type of person jason was around growing up. it must have had an influence on him.

[Jubal]

the moderator asked us not to bring fights from other boards here, so i won't post the link.

i don't want to give gojo anymore attention, but let's just say he is writing in ebonics and making racist references as well as threatening known posters on this case. he is twisting posters posts to fit his agenda.

i'll PM you with the link.

but this gives you an idea of the type of person jason was around growing up. it must have had an influence on him.

Thanks for the PM. I am beginning to understand more about Jason, if, as you say, the people who influenced him are so...um...out-of-kilter.

[nanandjim]

...our stressed out retired brevardian is now posting on yet another crime board. he's trudging his way through cyberspace.

he is posting trash and pretending to be 2 other posters including a black woman.

he needs help.
He needs a hobby. Man, now, I have heard it all. No wonder I have him on "ignore." :rolleyes:

[Samiya]

Okes, I've read bits and pieces about a 'boating accident'?

Yep, I'm back, but won't be as often as I want to be :(

I've just spent 2 weeks in Noo Yawk, jumped on and read bits when I could but got to spend half an hour with Michelle's tree. One word to describe that experience......"AWESOME".

Speaking of Noo Yawk....those folks really need to slow down! I swear I was the slowest person there! lol.

Sami

[Samiya]

My Forensics Forum has disappeared into thin air! All those hours of work on info on murdered pregnant women is gone :(

**screams**

[jilly]

Okes, I've read bits and pieces about a 'boating accident'?

Yep, I'm back, but won't be as often as I want to be :(

I've just spent 2 weeks in Noo Yawk, jumped on and read bits when I could but got to spend half an hour with Michelle's tree. One word to describe that experience......"AWESOME".

Speaking of Noo Yawk....those folks really need to slow down! I swear I was the slowest person there! lol.

Sami

Hey Sami!:blowkiss: Great to see ya again! Just ready to leave & I saw your post so had to say HI!!
Can you tell us about the "Michelle's tree"?

[jilly]

My Forensics Forum has disappeared into thin air! All those hours of work on info on murdered pregnant women is gone :(

**screams**

OHHHH NOOOOOOOOOO!:(

[haypaula]

i don't think jason feels much pressure because he's a psychopath.
he's moving on. he took care of his pesky problem (his wife).

but the pressure on his family must be enormous.
and how about the effect on his friends who are in such a state of denial?

our stressed out retired brevardian is now posting on yet another crime board. he's trudging his way through cyberspace.

he is posting trash and pretending to be 2 other posters including a black woman.

he needs help.

If he's doing this, RS, his lawyer, is likely not aware of it, as those posts will bite him (you know where) when he is tried, just as surely as Justin Barber's use of his computer bit him.

O/T: Is your nic from the Roger Moore TV series?

IMO

[DEPUTYDAWG]

If he's doing this, RS, his lawyer, is likely not aware of it, as those posts will bite him (you know where) when he is tried, just as surely as Justin Barber's use of his computer bit him.

O/T: Is your nic from the Roger Moore TV series?