WI-Another Wisconsin College girl missing, Mahalia Xiong,21

[whisky]

Another Wisconsin College Student Missinghttp://wkow.madison.com/Images/video.gif (javascript:vidUp('/Streamer/stream.php?url=/Video/playlist.php?ID=13220')) http://wkow.madison.com/Images/xiong.jpgA U-W Green Bay student leader disappears after a night out with friends.

Twenty-one-year-old Mahalia Xiong was reported missing after she didn't return from a night of bowling and drinking at Ashwaubenon Bowling Alley.

Xiong and her friends left the bowling alley about two Friday morning. Xiong took a different route and headed for Green Bay. She called her boyfriend about 2:30, but didn't leave a message. No one has heard from her since.

Xiong is an officer in the university's Southeast Asian Student Union. Her brother, Tou Lee, says his sister is a responsible, outgoing leader.

She was driving a four-door, 1996 Mercury Sable with a Wisconsin license plate of T-F-D-7-1-5.

[SeriouslySearching]

I started a thread there for media links, but we should continue discussions here. Good idea, Whisky!

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51414

[SeriouslySearching]

Hear, hear!! I would sure hope that someone would listen when my family said that it's unlike me to be out of touch. It is far more likely that something is wrong than that a college girl will just decide to take off on her own.

And - I will have a SCATHING commentary for Madison LE if these cases are connected. I'll bet Joel Despain and Noel Wray are just PRAYING that Kelly and Mahalia are not connected.

I heard LE in Greenbay say they have not contacted police in Madison. I assume in turn...LE in Madison have not contacted them either.

The boyfriend in Mahalia's case will be looked at very carefully I am quite certain, but they may not look beyond Greenbay for their answers of her going missing.

[RPPaolin]

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6802123

[cheko1]

I heard LE in Greenbay say they have not contacted police in Madison. I assume in turn...LE in Madison have not contacted them either.

The boyfriend in Mahalia's case will be looked at very carefully I am quite certain, but they may not look beyond Greenbay for their answers of her going missing.

Geezzzzzzzzzz Le isn't going to contact Madison LE?
Wonder why not? Are they to lazy to pick up up the phone?

The boyfriend should be called in & questioned repeatedly. Wonder if he is/ was jealous? When she went out with friends if he got mad?

[CaliKid]

She is a beautiful girl, and I hope she's safely located soon. It is getting to the point where you need CCTV along every street and highway just to follow up on missing people.

[SeriouslySearching]

I saw the report where LE said they WERE looking at this as a "suspicious" missing persons case already.

So they narrowed the phone call down VERY quickly right to an exact point! Why couldn't they have moved this fast with Kelly?! Glad they are doing a good job in Greenbay. Sounds like the difference between departments. Hmmm...they even want to include the public!

[cheko1]

I saw the report where LE said they WERE looking at this as a "suspicious" missing persons case already.

So they narrowed the phone call down VERY quickly right to an exact point! Why couldn't they have moved this fast with Kelly?! Glad they are doing a good job in Greenbay. Sounds like the difference between departments. Hmmm...they even want to include the public!


SS I seriously don't think this is going to have a happy ending.
I wonder if the bf has agreed to a polygraph test yet? Seems
strange he got the last phone call & zap she is gone. I don't like
this at all.

[BrowneyedEmily]

My first thought was the boyfriend as well, but I don't know, it doesn't seem to match well. LE should definitely do a polygraph if they can, as it is highly suspicious that he received the last call and didn't answer. Has anyone said if the boyfriend called her back that night? I know that if my boyfriend called me and I didn't answer, I would call back as soon as I saw that he had called. But the boyfriend does seem to be cooperating and getting the word out, not that that means he isn't involved.

[Beyond Belief]

New Clue Foxnews Today
May have driven by convience store video cameras, they are looking to see if anyone is following her.

[BrowneyedEmily]

New Clue Foxnews Today
May have driven by convience store video cameras, they are looking to see if anyone is following her.

Thank you for letting us know!

[teacherbonnie]

So if she left the bowling alley "a little" after 2AM and proceeded on the 15-20 min. drive home and called her BF at 2:30AM, that would have put her at HOME. Why would she have called him in the first place? Just to awaken him to say "hello?" Maybe he didn't answer because his phone was being charged?

Do I have to get a new password for every forum I want to post on? TIA

[BrowneyedEmily]

Well, they said a little after 2 am. If the bars close there at 2 like they do here, then maybe she left and spoke with her friends for a few before heading out, and then depends on traffic/her speed, stuff like that. I wonder how far away from home she was when she called her boyfriend, but from my understanding it wasn't out of the way home. I don't know, it's odd. Is it out of the question that someone could have been in her car before she got in?

[SeriouslySearching]

It makes no sense so far as the timing of that phone call. It indicates to me she was already in trouble by 2:30 am. because she should have already been home.

1) Someone was in her car when she returned to get it.
2) She had car trouble, flat tire, ran out of gas, etc. then became a target.
3) She stopped at a convenience store then became a target.
4) She had an accident between the bowling alley and her home.
5) She left on her own.
6) She was followed or was a target of convenience, made it to her home, but never made it inside.
7) She called the boyfriend, drove to his home instead, and he was perhaps the last person to see her.

1) She drove towards her home on the logical route indicating to me that no one was in the car when she left. She was seen driving her car after she left the parking area while driving still on her route towards home.
2) This is an opportunity for someone to have become involved...possible stranger abduction.
3) Another such opportunity...possible stranger abduction.
4) There would be signs of a car accident from the air. (ie. guardrail amiss, braking tire marks, disturbed folliage, etc.)
5) Not likely given her history and her known habits.
6) Stranger abduction or possible aquaintance...a neighbor, a student (she was an officer on campus), or boyfriend.
7) She was out with four male friends. Was he jealous? Were they friends of his, too? Is the reason her call went unanswered because he left his cell phone at home (smart enough to know he could be tracked) and was following her? Maybe she called to find out why he was following her and the reason she was out at 2:34 am instead of home...she was afraid to go home.

[BrowneyedEmily]

It makes no sense so far as the timing of that phone call. It indicates to me she was already in trouble by 2:30 am. because she should have already been home.

1) Someone was in her car when she returned to get it.
2) She had car trouble, flat tire, ran out of gas, etc. then became a target.
3) She stopped at a convenience store then became a target.
4) She had an accident between the bowling alley and her home.
5) She left on her own.
6) She was followed or was a target of convenience, made it to her home, but never made it inside.
7) She called the boyfriend, drove to his home instead, and he was perhaps the last person to see her.

1) She drove towards her home on the logical route indicating to me that no one was in the car when she left. She was seen driving her car after she left the parking area while driving.
2) This is an opportunity for someone to have become involved.
3) Another such opportunity.
4) There would be signs of a car accident from the air. (ie. guardrail amiss, braking tire marks, disturbed folliage, etc.)
5) Not likely given her history and her known habits.
6) Stranger abduction or possible aquaintance...a neighbor, a student (she was an officer on campus), or boyfriend.
7) She was out with four male friends. Was he jealous? Were they friends of his, too? Is the reason her call went unanswered because he left his cell phone at home (smart enough to know he could be tracked) and was following her? Maybe she called to find out why he was following her and the reason she was out at 2:34 am instead of home...she was afraid to go home.

Those are good predictions, thank you. :) Has LE said if there were other pings on her phone after that phone call? Hopefully there will be more information soon.

They've established a website for her: http://pleasehelpfind.org/mahaliaxiong/

[RPPaolin]

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6802123

News article with a video.

[Beyond Belief]

Interesting interview with her boyfriend on Greta.
It was normal for Mahalia to call her boyfriend to let him know she arrived home. She had to call the Bf 's brothers cell phone because the bf s wasn't working. She rang the brothers phone apprx 2 thirty, very close to the right time her to arrive home. Dropped off at 2, and a 25-30 minute drive from the bowling alley.
They need to be looking close to where she lives. I think she made it home.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Yeah I saw some friends commenting about how the bf's phone wasn't working. Does anyone know if she lives alone?

[Beyond Belief]

The bf kept mentioning the road she would travel and something about her sisters house. I am wondering if she lived with her sister.

[SeriouslySearching]

Strange, the sister said she would either be at her boyfriend's or at home since she talked to her earlier in the evening about 11:00 pm.

I thought her BF was in school so could be why he doesn't work. This is the first I have heard it was his brother's cell phone. Interesting. The fact she didn't leave a message could be due to that.

Hopefully, businesses will be calling to turn over their CCTV tapes to LE right and left in the next day or so. This could tell them so much!

She could have made it home, but not inside. From what I am reading between the lines from her family, it sounds she did live alone and LE confirmed it was in East GB. So the address that was on the internet sounds about right. LE stated her home was approximately 10-15 mins. from the bowling alley. The route I mapped out initially sounds like the very one LE is looking at her taking which would also lead right to that address.

Since it was a rental car, I wonder if it was equiped with any type of GPS tracking equipment. (Some have this capability.) Also, I wonder if there are any reports of car trouble with the particular vehicle she had been given to drive. Had it been in for recent repairs?

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is an article from Dane101. Note the way this link is worded! possible-stalker-of-uw-wisconsin-coeds-second-missing-uw-wisconsin-coed-in-a-week. Interesting. Maybe someone besides me sees a connection here. Good job, Dane.

http://howard53545.wordpress.com/2007/07/18/possible-stalker-of-uw-wisconsin-coeds-second-missing-uw-wisconsin-coed-in-a-week/

[SeriouslySearching]

Search goes statewide:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19822474/

[RPPaolin]

http://www.uwgb.edu/univcomm/news/missing.htm

[BrowneyedEmily]

"A Minnesota (http://www.kxmc.com/t/minnesota) criminologist wants to get to the bottom of how college kids are disappearing and turning up dead in rivers across the upper Midwest."

http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=75579

It's a small article, mostly focusing on the numerous college-aged men who mysteriously all drowned and whose deaths were all ruled accidents. The only reason I'm putting it here, and it is farfetched but a slight possibility, is because if there is some kind of a killer there and women are now disappearing and turning up dead, maybe the killer is switching up his MO.

[RPPaolin]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19819250/

[cheko1]

"A Minnesota (http://www.kxmc.com/t/minnesota) criminologist wants to get to the bottom of how college kids are disappearing and turning up dead in rivers across the upper Midwest."

http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=75579

It's a small article, mostly focusing on the numerous college-aged men who mysteriously all drowned and whose deaths were all ruled accidents. The only reason I'm putting it here, and it is farfetched but a slight possibility, is because if there is some kind of a killer there and women are now disappearing and turning up dead, maybe the killer is switching up his MO.


Thank you for the great article...it is time someone started looking into this!

Ang did you see this???? Something we have thought about many times!!!!!

[cheko1]

Search goes statewide:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19822474/


I went to the Mall of America yesterday & took a pix of her with me to see if she was possibly there, to no avail.

[cheko1]

Nobody is ever going to convince me we're not looking at a serial killer / rapist here in Wis. Women just DON"T VANISH!

[CaliKid]

"A Minnesota (http://www.kxmc.com/t/minnesota) criminologist wants to get to the bottom of how college kids are disappearing and turning up dead in rivers across the upper Midwest."

http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=75579

It's a small article, mostly focusing on the numerous college-aged men who mysteriously all drowned and whose deaths were all ruled accidents. The only reason I'm putting it here, and it is farfetched but a slight possibility, is because if there is some kind of a killer there and women are now disappearing and turning up dead, maybe the killer is switching up his MO.

"But police say Gilbertson's findings are merely a collection of coincidences."

Minnesota LE has their heads stuck in the sand because they don't want to face the obvious- that there is a serial killer who had beentargeting college-age men for years. I don't know about switching his MO, but I'm glad it's being investigated.

[SeriouslySearching]

Nobody is ever going to convince me we're not looking at a serial killer / rapist here in Wis. Women just DON"T VANISH!
No, they don't...Checko! At least, not in the numbers surrounding Madison and UW on various campuses. I have contended since Ang first drew my attention to this situation...this is an ongoing and very real problem in WI. During the past three weeks, 3 women have turned up missing. I would say there is a definite connection to all the other women even if LE says there is none found. They won't have a connection to Kelly until they find the others...but I would be willing to bet they DO have a connection to the prior missing/murdered women and Kelly.

The first connection is they are missing! Vanished without a trace. Just gone! No explanations. No witnesses. No evidence. Nothing! The differences with Tate is her age and no obvious connection to the UW...but she would fit the smaller stature of the others. It is possible she isn't connected to the campus killings, but until she is found...you can't rule it out as a possibility.

It could be the same serial killer for both. The MO with the women doesn't match the men...but this perp has taken over 30 years to perfect his skills and his crimes. Obviously, since they have no credible leads on him all of these years...he feels invincible with good reason. The MO among men appears to me to be fairly simple with them being intoxicated. He doesn't have to match their strength or worry about their coordination like if they were alert and aware. He can quickly manipulate the situation to his advantage this way and gain control. I can't imagine his motive tho.

The women, altho I can't find much on sexual assaults of the women, I would have to assume it factors into motive. He did change his MO from killing to killing by using various methods...yet the victims are still basically the same type, build, age, and he is attacking at near the same times after the bar scene while the women are in an altered state. He is in control from the time he decides to take his victim. The reason he doesn't change this is because it has been proven time and again to be effective.

It is almost to me a sign he is making statements about vulnerability with both male and females. Maybe this is why he goes after the ones who have been out partying, too. I won't pretend to understand, but I have given it a lot of thought.

Why does he choose them? What association with UW does he have or perceived idea of a wrong from UW perhaps? What went so horribly wrong in his life at an early age he would prey on this particular sector of our society?

Then ask yourself why they haven't caught him. Is LE in and around Madison not trained in that area of expertise? Did the FBI not being called in early enough on cases cause delays which resulted in cold cases? Why can't they get a handle on this creep? It is baffling to me!

One of our Homicide Detectives came into my office today. I caught him off guard when I thanked him and his fellow officers for doing a great job for our area.

He came back with, "Thank you! We don't hear that very much, if ever! Some people would disagree with you.".

He had such a look of amazement I thought I should explain...so I did. I told him how I kept up online with the missing and the murdered. How I felt LE in so many other cities...in particular Madison, WI...had records in this area which were disturbing at best and that I have kept up with our detectives and their work for my own peace of mind. I could tell he really enjoyed the small recognition and appreciation.

Can you say the same about your Detective Division? You should look at the numbers where you live and see before you find yourself up against a situation someday.

[Beyond Belief]

Do we have a list of others missing in the general area of Madison and Green Bay? I am wondering about the distance between the two cities, the hour of the night Kelly and Mahalia disappeared, what is in the area which would bring this perp to these particular areas at that late hour.

[twinkiesmom]

Madison and Green Bay are in opposite areas of the state.

Since her car hasn't shown up yet, a car accident is still a real possibility in this case...Not every retention pond or water hazard has a guard rail. This is a tiny woman who was drinking....many Asians lack the enzyme to break down ethanol...if she was missing the enzyme, she might seem more inebriated than someone the same size of a different race.

From Wikipedia:
Alcohol, as a toxin, can result in cellular damage after prolonged effects. The first step toward metabolizing alcohol is to convert it to acetaldehyde. It has been found that 50% of the Pacific Rim Asian population (Chinese, Japanese, Koreans) possess an atypical alcohol dehydrogenase (ADH) known as ADH2*2 that leads to unusually rapid conversion of ethanol to acetaldehyde. This atypical ADH is less expressed in Caucasians, Africans Americans, Native Americans, and Asian Indian (Agarwal and Goedde, 1992). Since acetaldehyde is more toxic than alcohol, its increased accumulation causes flushing in the human body. Moreover, the normal aldehyde dehydrogenase (ALDH2), synthesized in the liver, oxidizes acetaldehyde into a carboxylic acid, acetic acid.[3] Mutant ALDH2 enzyme (known as ALDH2*2) in 45 to 53 percent of Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Taiwanese, and Vietnamese population, however, is only 8% as effective as the normal, wild-type enzyme (ALDH*1). This mutant allele of ALDH2 is dominant, as it interferes with the formation of a fully functional ALDH2 tetramer [4].

Approximately half of people of Asian descent are considered to be sensitive to alcohol due to this condition.[5] Flushing, after consuming one or two alcoholic beverages, includes a range of symptoms: dizziness, nausea, headaches, an increased pulse, occasional extreme drowsiness, and occasional skin swelling and itchiness. These unpleasant side effects often prevent further drinking that may lead to further inebriation, but the symptoms can lead to misassumption that the people affected are more easily inebriated than others.

[Beyond Belief]

They mentioned that there is a river/lake next to the road to her home, so accident is still on the list of possibilities.

[philamena]

They mentioned that there is a river/lake next to the road to her home, so accident is still on the list of possibilities.

That was mentioned tonight on one of the news shows? Have any of the surrounding rivers been searched?

Mahalia's family is planing a vigil for her.

http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=729d5bfb-795e-43b7-8c6b-ca57bd0ae264

[SeriouslySearching]

Do we have a list of others missing in the general area of Madison and Green Bay? I am wondering about the distance between the two cities, the hour of the night Kelly and Mahalia disappeared, what is in the area which would bring this perp to these particular areas at that late hour.
I believe I did all that on Kelly Nolan's thread.

[cheko1]

No, they don't...Checko! At least, not in the numbers surrounding Madison and UW on various campuses. I have contended since Ang first drew my attention to this situation...this is an ongoing and very real problem in WI. During the past three weeks, 3 women have turned up missing. I would say there is a definite connection to all the other women even if LE says there is none found. They won't have a connection to Kelly until they find the others...but I would be willing to bet they DO have a connection to the prior missing/murdered women and Kelly.

The first connection is they are missing! Vanished without a trace. Just gone! No explanations. No witnesses. No evidence. Nothing! The differences with Tate is her age and no obvious connection to the UW...but she would fit the smaller stature of the others. It is possible she isn't connected to the campus killings, but until she is found...you can't rule it out as a possibility.

It could be the same serial killer for both. The MO with the women doesn't match the men...but this perp has taken over 30 years to perfect his skills and his crimes. Obviously, since they have no credible leads on him all of these years...he feels invincible with good reason. The MO among men appears to me to be fairly simple with them being intoxicated. He doesn't have to match their strength or worry about their coordination like if they were alert and aware. He can quickly manipulate the situation to his advantage this way and gain control. I can't imagine his motive tho.

The women, altho I can't find much on sexual assaults of the women, I would have to assume it factors into motive. He did change his MO from killing to killing by using various methods...yet the victims are still basically the same type, build, age, and he is attacking at near the same times after the bar scene while the women are in an altered state. He is in control from the time he decides to take his victim. The reason he doesn't change this is because it has been proven time and again to be effective.

It is almost to me a sign he is making statements about vulnerability with both male and females. Maybe this is why he goes after the ones who have been out partying, too. I won't pretend to understand, but I have given it a lot of thought.

Why does he choose them? What association with UW does he have or perceived idea of a wrong from UW perhaps? What went so horribly wrong in his life at an early age he would prey on this particular sector of our society?

Then ask yourself why they haven't caught him. Is LE in and around Madison not trained in that area of expertise? Did the FBI not being called in early enough on cases cause delays which resulted in cold cases? Why can't they get a handle on this creep? It is baffling to me!

One of our Homicide Detectives came into my office today. I caught him off guard when I thanked him and his fellow officers for doing a great job for our area.

He came back with, "Thank you! We don't hear that very much, if ever! Some people would disagree with you.".

He had such a look of amazement I thought I should explain...so I did. I told him how I kept up online with the missing and the murdered. How I felt LE in so many other cities...in particular Madison, WI...had records in this area which were disturbing at best and that I have kept up with our detectives and their work for my own peace of mind. I could tell he really enjoyed the small recognition and appreciation.

Can you say the same about your Detective Division? You should look at the numbers where you live and see before you find yourself up against a situation someday.

Great post SS......!!!

The detective division in our town couldn't whip there way out of a paper bag! They won't do anything even if they know for a fact someone stole it & you own it.

We've had 1 murder that I know of. Guy stabbed his girlfriend 38 times. Then stabbed himself / called 911 said he never knew what happened to her or himself. He was hospitalized & eventually arrested & is in jail awaiting trial.

Sheriffs Dept is pathetic. Its a total shame.....

Your very lucky for having great guys you know & can depend upon!

[Bobbisangel]

It was said on Greta tonight that LE are now focusing on a gas station on the way to this girls home. They think that she may have stopped for gas or something and maybe someone forced their way into her car or asked her for a ride. I don't know what drew them to this gas station. There is the water there too and there is the possibility that she could have missed a curve and went into the water.

I think the thing with all of the college aged men disappearing after leaving the bars and then being found in water is suspicious too. It has happened to many times. I don't know why LE can't see that except they don't want to.

LE in the town I live in isn't worth chit. There have been several murders here over the years and none of them are solved unless the killer left his ID behind which did happen once! Otherwise this is a good place to commit a crime because the cops are to lazy to do anything about it. The town 25 miles away is a different story. The detectives and police are great. My daughter was murdered in that town. If it had happened here her murderer would still be on the loose. I have no respect for the cops or detectives here.
They are a joke. Everyone says "if you want to commit a murder and get away with it...do it in Anacortes WA!" The reputation has stood for years and years now.

[kwatson696]

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8535542.html


They are expanding this search to the web, I watched this on Nancy Grace last night, I wonder what the survailance cameras are letting them know?:(

The Web site address is www.pleasehelpfind.org/mahaliaxiong (http://www.pleasehelpfind.org/mahaliaxiong).

ETA.http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=groups.groupProfile&groupID=106335941&Mytoken=235E1D69-7352-4B49-BBB32296A982E96584131176

[SeriouslySearching]

I think they are concentrating on the Shell station because it was there or very near to there where that last call was made. We can only hope they have video showing her either in the station or the lot.

[kwatson696]

I thought I heard on Nancy Grace that she purchased gas there, wonder if the attendant at the store saw anything? Someone may have gotten in her car after she went in to pay for her gas... or as some are saying she may have ran off the road into the river that she had to pass by on her way home....soooo sad.. I hope they find her today..

[SeriouslySearching]

Of course, that is possible. I pray for her sake and her family's they find her soon.

[cheko1]

It was said on Greta tonight that LE are now focusing on a gas station on the way to this girls home. They think that she may have stopped for gas or something and maybe someone forced their way into her car or asked her for a ride. I don't know what drew them to this gas station. There is the water there too and there is the possibility that she could have missed a curve and went into the water.

I think the thing with all of the college aged men disappearing after leaving the bars and then being found in water is suspicious too. It has happened to many times. I don't know why LE can't see that except they don't want to.

LE in the town I live in isn't worth chit. There have been several murders here over the years and none of them are solved unless the killer left his ID behind which did happen once! Otherwise this is a good place to commit a crime because the cops are to lazy to do anything about it. The town 25 miles away is a different story. The detectives and police are great. My daughter was murdered in that town. If it had happened here her murderer would still be on the loose. I have no respect for the cops or detectives here.
They are a joke. Everyone says "if you want to commit a murder and get away with it...do it in Anacortes WA!" The reputation has stood for years and years now.

Since LE seems to know something happened to her at a gas station you'd think they'd warn the communities to be aware /possibly they don't want to put fear into people. Today I am contacting the news media asking why more isn't being reported on these women missing. Its totally ridiculous!

Nobody is ever going to convince me there isn't a serial killer involved. LE better get looking harder. If they think she could of went into the river they should of sent dive teams down to look.

In regards to your daughter Bobbi....:blowkiss:

[cheko1]

Of course, that is possible. I pray for her sake and her family's they find her soon.


I also hope they find her very soon but it doesn't look good at all.

[SeriouslySearching]

Because they haven't sent down dive teams...tells me they aren't looking for an accident here. In Kelly's case...they sent those in by the 4th or 5th day, as I recall.

Bobbisangel~ Hugs~

[cheko1]

Because they haven't sent down dive teams...tells me they aren't looking for an accident here. In Kelly's case...they sent those in by the 4th or 5th day, as I recall.

Bobbisangel~ Hugs~

Thats what it tells me too. LE needs to release some info here.
Why keep things so quiet they aren't going to solve it anyway!!!

In my estimation if she would of went into the river there would of been tire tracks. If she went into the river weeds would of been knocked down if no guard rails.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thats what it tells me too. LE needs to release some info here.
Why keep things so quiet they aren't going to solve it anyway!!!

In my estimation if she would of went into the river there would of been tire tracks. If she went into the river weeds would of been knocked down if no guard rails.
Right! And LE has already combed the area from a helicopter to check for just such signs...came up emptyhanded so far.

[BrowneyedEmily]

It just doesn't make sense to me how someone can just vanish. I hope to god that LE has more information than they're telling. Because if not, they don't have much. It's been about a week since she was last seen, right? That's not looking good at all.

[twinkiesmom]

They said on Greta's show that her cell phone was too old to track.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think GB LE has certainly been more forthcoming with info than Madison LE ever has been. They are relying on the public's help to find her which is exactly what should have been done in Kelly's case to begin with. I honestly think they don't have much yet. Hopefully, they will be able to pull more from cctv's in and around the area.

[SeriouslySearching]

They said on Greta's show that her cell phone was too old to track.
Yes, but the boyfriend's brother's phone obviously wasn't. : )

[twinkiesmom]

The boyfriend's brother's phone probably had caller ID on it.

I heard the boyfriend interviewed on Greta the other night. He seemed like a decent guy...going so far as to invite the sister and other family members along on a romantic weekend. I don't think he has a motive and wasn't with her that night.

[SeriouslySearching]

The boyfriend's brother's phone probably had caller ID on it.

I heard the boyfriend interviewed on Greta the other night. He seemed like a decent guy...going so far as to invite the sister and other family members along on a romantic weekend. I don't think he has a motive and wasn't with her that night.
Do you mean she didn't use her cell to call, but actually used the station phone or pay phone there?

[twinkiesmom]

No...I meant...They didn't track the boyfriend's brother's phone...the BF's brother probably reported the call..

It sounds like this is a really tight-knit group...siblings actually hanging out together, going on trips together, taking messages for each other. I'm not suspicious about the phone call other than it was made and still a missing girl.

[SeriouslySearching]

No, I believe LE mentioned they had traced it back to a specific tower. I will try to find that. I think it was on a news program when I heard it because when they said her cell phone was too old to trace...I thought it was so strange. So can the pings be traced in reverse? The brother's cell phone picking up the call and they can reverse where it originated?

Yes, it does sound like they are a very close knit family. This must be horribly difficult for them all. My family is this way, too. Now that my children are grown, we are closer than ever and choose to be around each other! We spend lots of time together and we prefer it this way. They have their lives to lead quite successfully, but we enjoy each other's company. We talk on the phone every day and some days more. We take vacations together, we visit regularly, and we are intertwined in one another's lives from the great grands, aunts, uncles, etc. down to our youngest members! Family comes first.
(Sorry for the smiley just then...I got a warm feeling, but then again I remembered their family. It makes me incredibly sad for what they are having to deal with. Bless them because it must be pure hell and I was being selfish.)

[teacherbonnie]

SS you are very lucky!

I read elsewhere that MX is not showing up on the gas station cameras.

None of the stores have caught her image.

No car sightings.

So what's next?

[SeriouslySearching]

That is very unfortunate for everyone. <sigh> I am very ready for Big Brother to come into play in WI...which I noted yesterday they are going to start with 8 cams in the downtown district of Madison. Again, too little too late. As far as communities that NEED the outside cams watching...it is in WI and surrounding their campuses (ie. drinking establishments where students gather at night). However, it is too bad they do not have anything to go on now. I was so hoping!

Next, they will incorporate good old detective work. Shoe to Pavement conducting a verbal search with people working in the area and/or set up a road block along the route to question people who drive it daily at that particular time.

"Did you come by here at this particular time on this particular day? Did you see anything out of the ordinary? Did you see this car? Did you see this woman?", will be their questions...or SHOULD be what they do next.

[cheko1]

This is just beyond awful for her family. LE really need to get looking for some leads now.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, Cheko! They need some leads! This girl, IMO, did not wreck her rental into a river. She did not wander off into the blue. She did not have any intention that night other than going to her BF's or her home. She went missing against her will and they definitely need some leads so LE best get out there to do their jobs.

[SeriouslySearching]

"A Minnesota (http://www.kxmc.com/t/minnesota) criminologist wants to get to the bottom of how college kids are disappearing and turning up dead in rivers across the upper Midwest."

http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=75579

It's a small article, mostly focusing on the numerous college-aged men who mysteriously all drowned and whose deaths were all ruled accidents. The only reason I'm putting it here, and it is farfetched but a slight possibility, is because if there is some kind of a killer there and women are now disappearing and turning up dead, maybe the killer is switching up his MO.
Thank you for finding this! I intend to contact this man. We have many things to discuss. At the very least, I find his research very interesting. He might find mine compelling enough to research it within his scope. Either way, thank you very much.

[cheko1]

Yes, Cheko! They need some leads! This girl, IMO, did not wreck her rental into a river. She did not wander off into the blue. She did not have any intention that night other than going to her BF's or her home. She went missing against her will and they definitely need some leads so LE best get out there to do their jobs.


I agree whole heartedly.......
She is missing......FIND HER LE!

[SeriouslySearching]

My biggest fear is they will, Cheko. And we won't like the outcome. <sigh>

[cheko1]

My biggest fear is they will, Cheko. And we won't like the outcome. <sigh>


Yes SS I am sure the outcome will not be good!

[Beyond Belief]

Is there any indications if she arrived home? Is is definite that she disappeared before she arrived home? Was anything altered in her apt/home?

[SeriouslySearching]

Not that LE has mentioned, BB.

[teacherbonnie]

If they are ruling out the SHELL station, and I don't know that for a fact, something could have happened anywhere along that route, even in front of her home or in the garage(if there is one). Have we heard for sure if she lived with her sister? So many details are unknown to us.

[petra]

If they are ruling out the SHELL station, and I don't know that for a fact, something could have happened anywhere along that route, even in front of her home or in the garage(if there is one). Have we heard for sure if she lived with her sister? So many details are unknown to us.

Nothing new. Article on vigil held last night (friday).
Hoping for a miracle.

http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=478362d3-1e91-49db-9b04-84fef4da472d

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think she lived with either of her sisters because when both of her sisters were mentioned...neither said a word about it.

Xiong's family says she left her car at the alley around 11 p.m. Thursday to go with friends to a Green Bay bar. She also talked to her sister around that same time, telling her she was fine.

“I did call her that night around 11. She said she was fine, out with a few friends, bowling, just having a good time. That was the last time I’ve heard from her,” Xiong's older sister Melissa Sinitsky said.

"She should have been home a long time ago and if not, she would have gone to her boyfriend's," said sister Malee Xiong.
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8535542.html

[petra]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_MISSING_STUDENT_WIOL-?SITE=WIFON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Another short article.

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is an interesting link to cell phone towers: http://www.cellreception.com/

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is another one I found over on CTV site which explains her culture and why the family thought she might be 'kidnapped for marriage'. It further explains why the family is using "Shamans or Psychics":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_customs_and_culture#Marriage

[SeriouslySearching]

Nolan's disappearance has been compared to Mahalia Xiong, a Green Bay student who vanished a week ago. Both are students in their early 20s, and both went missing after splitting up with friends. Detectives in the two cases have been comparing information, according to Madison police. But no clear connection has been found.

“Although they are both sad and unfortunate in every case, there is no common thread at this point that we believe that they're linked or related," DeSpain said.


http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8635057.html

At least now they are "comparing" information.

[cheko1]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WI_MISSING_STUDENT_WIOL-?SITE=WIFON&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

Another short article.

Thanks for the link petra!!!

[CaliKid]

They can't find a common thread? Young, attractive, out by themselves.

[SeriouslySearching]

Right, Calikid! Both left bars, both attend UW, both about the same age, weight, height, female, alone, and had been drinking. The difference here is location, a vehicle, and a boyfriend.

I saw the boyfriend again tonite. He doesn't seem nervous or suspicious tho. Lee seemed sincere and worried. (He sure doesn't act like Craig Stebic either which is a good sign.)

[cheko1]

This just makes me so angry. You'd of thought they'd of found the car by now.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, you would think a huge, white hunk of metal would be rather easy to spot somewhere from the air. The did a dive team exercise where they searched for her car somewhere near the last phone call and turned up nothing.

It is possible the perp drove it out of the area tho...so it could be anywhere by now.

[SeriouslySearching]

I am sure this doesn't have anything to do with her case...but I found it interesting this sexual predator from Minn. has the same last name. I guess Xiong is a Hmong name which is very common for the Clan, but could they be related?
http://info.doc.state.mn.us/Fugitive/individual.asp?OID=185601

[Trino]

I am sure this doesn't have anything to do with her case...but I found it interesting this sexual predator from Minn. has the same last name. I guess Xiong is a Hmong name which is very common for the Clan, but could they be related?
http://info.doc.state.mn.us/Fugitive/individual.asp?OID=185601

Just for the record...
If I recall correctly, there are only 19 Hmong last names. MN has one (if not THE) largest Hmong population in the US. Xiong is a VERY common Hmong last name. The last names are so intermarriage doesn't happen.

And, the mother and father in a family do not have the same last names.

[cheko1]

I am sure this doesn't have anything to do with her case...but I found it interesting this sexual predator from Minn. has the same last name. I guess Xiong is a Hmong name which is very common for the Clan, but could they be related?
http://info.doc.state.mn.us/Fugitive/individual.asp?OID=185601


As Trino stated Mn has the largest Hmong population that there is.
Probably means nothing. Could be related but don't have a clue how to find out.

[cheko1]

Just for the record...
If I recall correctly, there are only 19 Hmong last names. MN has one (if not THE) largest Hmong population in the US. Xiong is a VERY common Hmong last name. The last names are so intermarriage doesn't happen.

And, the mother and father in a family do not have the same last names.


Yes the Hmong families are definately different.
Mn is the most populated of Hmong. Gang violence in the Hmong communities is very bad in Mn.

[SeriouslySearching]

It is a very interesting culture. Could it have anything to do with her going missing outside of the "marriage" aspect? Do Clans have rivals within their heritages?

[Trino]

It is a very interesting culture. Could it have anything to do with her going missing outside of the "marriage" aspect? Do Clans have rivals within their heritages?

Hmong clans are not rivals. The most important thing to the Hmong is that they are Hmong and not clans. (Hmong gangs attrack teens of any clan.) Most Hmong are quiet, family people. I expect that Mahilia's disappearance is not related to her cultural heritage but to some perp she encountered between the bowling alley and home. Mahilia is educated, older - and IMO not the type to give a gang members a second look.

Although some Hmong are Chrisitian, about 50% are Shaminists who believe in magic, consult shamins for advice. They also consult clan leaders about problems within their "community" and rely more for advice within their "own" than from outsiders. The Hmong originally came as a results of the Vietnam War, so they have not been in the US for long.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmong clans are not rivals. The most important thing to the Hmong is that they are Hmong and not clans. (Hmong gangs attrack teens of any clan.) Most Hmong are quiet, family people. I expect that Mahilia's disappearance is not related to her cultural heritage but to some perp she encountered between the bowling alley and home. Mahilia is educated, older - and IMO not the type to give a gang members a second look.

Although some Hmong are Chrisitian, about 50% are Shaminists who believe in magic, consult shamins for advice. They also consult clan leaders about problems within their "community" and rely more for advice within their "own" than from outsiders. The Hmong originally came as a results of the Vietnam War, so they have not been in the US for long.

Is her boyfriend Hmong, too? Anderson Lee?

[cheko1]

Is her boyfriend Hmong, too? Anderson Lee?


I am quite certain he is Hmong. The Vang's & Lee's are related in Mn.
Only reason I know that is Chai Vang who killed the deer hunters & wounded 2 near Hayward Wi was related to the Lee's if memory serves me correctly.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, Cheko. Makes sense to me now. : )

[Trino]

Hmong rarely marry outside of their community, so I'm guessing her boyfriend is also Hmong.

[KR2tonenow]

How come we haven't heard anything lately on the news, does anyone have an update on this?

[SeriouslySearching]

Weekend news is generally slow and they don't say much if there is nothing new to report. We may get an update tomorrow or so.

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks, but they should keep it "alive" by reporting, don't you think?

[SeriouslySearching]

If they had something to report, they would. They aren't very gungho in WI about reporting on these cases, IMO.

[cheko1]

I will repost this here I copied it from Kelly Nolan case:

I contacted WKOW TV in regards to media coverage on all the women disapearing in Wi. Deidre Harm, Kelly Nolan & 2 more vanishes. That even Greta on Fox News is suggesting a serial killer in Wi...
That LE isn't doing there job & the media needs to do their job in reporting such!

Al Zobel emailed me back & stated: As soon as there is even a shred of evidence a serial killer is loose they will report that.

:doh: :doh: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif

[SeriouslySearching]

Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees!! Even the news organizations aren't willing to explore the possibility. No wonder the cases run as cold as ice in WI! No one wants to admit it could be in "their backyard"! How are they going to get the evidence if they can't put 2 + 2 together?

[cheko1]

My thouights exactly.......
just pi$$es me off!

[SeriouslySearching]

My thouights exactly.......
just pi$$es me off!
:blowkiss:

[CaliKid]

And in the meantime because nobody is warning young women about the possibility of a serial killer, potential victims go about their lives thinking that they're safe.

[Trino]

Aside from Milwaukee and Green Bay, and the college town of Madison, none of which are really THAT big, the rest of WI is fairly rural - lots of farms and small towns. Check out a map of Wisconsin, and you'll get a better idea. If you've never been there, it's a ways between many towns and a ways between farm houses between the towns. I think most farm families are more concerned with their crops than what happened miles away in Madison.

Wisconites are very proud to be from WI. Small towns usually have a cemetery, a bar, and a church (probably Lutheran). Everyone knows everyone through these three places. They take care of their own and are proud to be Cheeseheads. Outsiders don't always get it.

Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Madison are not the same as outstate Wisconsin. If I lived in Madison, I would be concerned, but I can understand a lack of concern from outstate about a serial killer.

[cheko1]

:blowkiss:

Thank you SS!

[cheko1]

And in the meantime because nobody is warning young women about the possibility of a serial killer, potential victims go about their lives thinking that they're safe.


Exactly!!!!

[Trino]

Police do not believe Mahalia is the victim of foul play, yet they feel she's endangered. I wonder if there isn't a part of the puzzle we do not have.

[cheko1]

Aside from Milwaukee and Green Bay, and the college town of Madison, none of which are really THAT big, the rest of WI is fairly rural - lots of farms and small towns. Check out a map of Wisconsin, and you'll get a better idea. If you've never been there, it's a ways between many towns and a ways between farm houses between the towns. I think most farm families are more concerned with their crops than what happened miles away in Madison.

Wisconites are very proud to be from WI. Small towns usually have a cemetery, a bar, and a church (probably Lutheran). Everyone knows everyone through these three places. They take care of their own and are proud to be Cheeseheads. Outsiders don't always get it.

Milwaukee, Green Bay, and Madison are not the same as outstate Wisconsin. If I lived in Madison, I would be concerned, but I can understand a lack of concern from outstate about a serial killer.

Trino,
Ignorance comes from the shabby media reporting in Wis. (I live over by Mn 8 mi away) We get our news from the Twin Cities. If I want to know about anything going on in Wis I contact the Twin Cities channels.

Small towns each have there own newspaper that normally comes once a week. The local news media is more worried about "WHO" goes to court, what the fine is, then 'any' News in Wis. It is completely about local events, schools, & charities. Rarely about current News in Wis.

Isn't it about time that Wis come up to date & get with the times? Why should the local papers attempt to keep Wisconsin people in the dark? We live in the REAL world. Bad things do happen to good people.

People are not 'SAFE' just because they're Cheeseheads. By the way I am a Viking fan! LOL:slap:

[KR2tonenow]

Chek01 as always your right on!

It isn't safe for young women to travel "late hours" of the night anywhere, unless they are with trustful individuals or groups of people!

But to claim they have a good sense of community and living in the dark, appalls me and that they would just let "one of their own" be another victim of violent crime. WI will be known for where smart college girls disappear in the middle of the night, and the "community" just sits back and waits for her to wind up in one of their farms, but then again maybe they will notice!

[Trino]

Trino,
Ignorance comes from the shabby media reporting in Wis. (I live over by Mn 8 mi away) We get our news from the Twin Cities. If I want to know about anything going on in Wis I contact the Twin Cities channels.

Small towns each have there own newspaper that normally comes once a week. The local news media is more worried about "WHO" goes to court, what the fine is, then 'any' News in Wis. It is completely about local events, schools, & charities. Rarely about current News in Wis.

Isn't it about time that Wis come up to date & get with the times? Why should the local papers attempt to keep Wisconsin people in the dark? We live in the REAL world. Bad things do happen to good people.

People are not 'SAFE' just because they're Cheeseheads. By the way I am a Viking fan! LOL:slap:

I, too, live in the TC and am familiar with small town news. MN small town papers print the same type of stories that WI small towns do.

I did not intend to state that people are safe because they are Cheeseheads, only to allow people to understand that if you live in outstate WI (or MN), you probably are not worried about a serial killer. I would be more worried about going to NE Minneapolis.

[cheko1]

I, too, live in the TC and am familiar with small town news. MN small town papers print the same type of stories that WI small towns do.

I did not intend to state that people are safe because they are Cheeseheads, only to allow people to understand that if you live in outstate WI (or MN), you probably are not worried about a serial killer. I would be more worried about going to NE Minneapolis.

I honestly never intended to down play what you wrote Trino. I agreed with most of it. You'd totally expect a serial killer in NE Minneapolis where in small town Wis its unheard of. :blowkiss:

I was just joking about the Cheeseheads! :blowkiss:

[Trino]

I honestly never intended to down play what you wrote Trino. I agreed with most of it. You'd totally expect a serial killer in NE Minneapolis where in small town Wis its unheard of. :blowkiss:

I was just joking about the Cheeseheads! :blowkiss:

I just don't think there's a serial killer running around WI. Mahalia disappeared from Green Bay, a two hour drive to Madison. The young men who drowned were from LaCrosse, a drive of two hours from Madison another direction.

I agree, however, that Madison needs to solve the current Nolan and Tate crimes. I'd like to know more about why LE feels Mahalia's disappearance is not foul play. What do you think?

[SeriouslySearching]

I will repost this here I copied it from Kelly Nolan case:

I contacted WKOW TV in regards to media coverage on all the women disapearing in Wi. Deidre Harm, Kelly Nolan & 2 more vanishes. That even Greta on Fox News is suggesting a serial killer in Wi...
That LE isn't doing there job & the media needs to do their job in reporting such!

Al Zobel emailed me back & stated: As soon as there is even a shred of evidence a serial killer is loose they will report that.

:doh: :doh: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif

It is Greta's lead story today! :clap:

[cheko1]

Chek01 as always your right on!

It isn't safe for young women to travel "late hours" of the night anywhere, unless they are with trustful individuals or groups of people!

But to claim they have a good sense of community and living in the dark, appalls me and that they would just let "one of their own" be another victim of violent crime. WI will be known for where smart college girls disappear in the middle of the night, and the "community" just sits back and waits for her to wind up in one of their farms, but then again maybe they will notice!

KR2,

I'm far from right on many things! :doh:

I just get angry with LE & the News media. Its been a sore spot for yrs with me. I do feel people are left in the dark & don't keep up with the happenings in the world. A great deal of that is the news is depressing.

I like to know what is happening & my family thinks I'm a nut case! We always want to think & pray it will never happen to us.

Last yr my Granddaughter was riding in a car with 3 others. The driver stated he hadn't been drinking. Started going up to 100mph. They wanted out he refused, driving crazy. He hit a SUV head on, in a residential area at 85mph. He got out urinated took off in his car with all 3 unconcious in his car / SUV he hit had 5 people injured. . Drove 3 mi away threw his 3 passengers out & left them to die in St Paul Mn on Jan 13th 2006 freezing cold / 1 gal had severe ankle injuries she was able to crawl to a home for help. 1 later died, my GD was very fortunate, she had a broken femur &
TBI. Today she is recuperating very well. Driver got 12 yrs in prison, 3 charges of kidnapping. GD was 19 she knew better, but made a dumb choice as teens do. You can google the name: Fabrizio Montermini to read about this rich kid..........whose folks couldn't buy his way out of this one.
It has changed my life.....I am a adovcate for victims!!!

[KR2tonenow]

Another story....NBC26 Local News

Bad Memories for Family of Another Missing Student
Amber Wilde's family is reminded of their hardship

Rachel Stockman


Last week's news of Mahalia Xiong's disappearance hit the Wilde family especially hard. 19 year old Amber Wilde was pregnant when she vanished almost nine years ago. Shortly after she disappeared, police found her car, and suspect she was murdered. However, they still have not recovered her body.

Despite their hardship, the Wilde family encourages the Xiong's to never give up hope.

Click on "video" for a live report from NBC26 LIVE AT 10:00.

[cheko1]

It is Greta's lead story today! :clap:


Thanks SS for the heads up!!! :clap:

[Trino]

Diedre disappeared from WI Rapis, a two hour drive from Madison in yet another direction.

Before I accept a serial killer theory, I'd like to know how each girl died (strangled, etc.). Certainly, the methods must be similar.

[SeriouslySearching]

I just don't think there's a serial killer running around WI. Mahalia disappeared from Green Bay, a two hour drive to Madison. The young men who drowned were from LaCrosse, a drive of two hours from Madison another direction.

I agree, however, that Madison needs to solve the current Nolan and Tate crimes. I'd like to know more about why LE feels Mahalia's disappearance is not foul play. What do you think?
There is a serial killer running around WI! If you go back and review Kelly Nolan's thread, I researched it as best as I could and provided links to the murdered women LE has attributed to this particular serial killer plus found even more which would fit his patterns and MO. (I also cross-referenced cause of deaths etc. on the ones they could determine the cod, at least.) Those are now considered cold cases, too. Kelly Nolan's case is quite similar to the other murders in many ways.

There are actually two cases where they arrested and sent to prison 2 people who could possibly be innocent of the murders they were found guilty of. One is being researched by a group of college students and the other man sits in jail for life. Neither defendant ever confessed to the murders.

There has been a serial killer in and around Madison since 1968 and he has never been identified. They are still clueless to his location or who he is. He has killed an unknown total of women.

He could also very well be responsible for a series of murders within a short two hour drive from Madison in ANY direction. Serial killers do not always stick with the same sex or even the same MO, but certain aspects do appear to be consistent within his kills.

[Trino]

There is a serial killer running around WI! If you go back and review Kelly Nolan's thread, I researched it as best as I could and provided links to the murdered women LE has attributed to this particular serial killer plus found even more which would fit his patterns and MO. Those are now considered cold cases, too. Kelly Nolan's case is quite similar to the other murders in many ways.

There has been a serial killer in and around Madison since 1968 and he has never been identified. They are still clueless to his location or who he is. He has killed an unknown total of women.

He could also very well be responsible for a series of murders within a short two hour drive from Madison in ANY direction. Serial killers do not always stick with the same sex or even the same MO, but certain aspects do appear to be consistent within his kills.


What specific evidence links bodies found?

[KR2tonenow]

Thank you SS you are spot on!

Cheko-I am happy your family is faring well now.

Say yeah! to all the victim(s) of violent crimes who have "healed", and who can now lend their to support to others!

and Good bless Mahalia!

~kr

[SeriouslySearching]

What specific evidence links bodies found? LE didn't release everything they had on those cases so we don't know the exact answers to that question.

[cheko1]

Thank you SS you are spot on!

Cheko-I am happy your family is faring well now.

Say yeah! to all the victim(s) of violent crimes who have "healed", and who can now lend their to support to others!

and Good bless Mahalia!

~kr

Thank you!!!!! :blowkiss:

I couldn't of did it without my great friend here Ang! She was & is my special angel!!!!

[Trino]

Well, maybe Madison does have a problem. Here are some past unsolved murders/disappearances around Madison. Note that I referenced the last page of the article, since it mentions theories.

Christine Rothschild Madison stabbed 1968 age 18

Debra Bennett Madison (14 m) charred remains 1969 age 20

Julie Ann Hall Madison blunt trama (head) 1978 age 18

Julie Speerschneider Madison decomposed 1979 age 20

Susan LeMahieu Madison stabbed 1980 age 24

Shirley Stewart Madison decomposed 1981 age 17

Donna Mraz Madison stabbed 1982 age 19

Janet M. Raasch Madison (60m) decomposed 1984 age 20

"It is also interesting to note that each victim was young, wore her hair long and parted it in the same manner -- eerily reminiscent of Ted Bundy’s victims -- and all of the victims were found within a short distance of Madison. In addition, they were all somehow associated with the University of Wisconsin either through classes, employment or living at a campus residence."
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/unsolved/madison_wi/4.html

[SeriouslySearching]

And that isn't all of them, Trino!

[KR2tonenow]

ok~what has happened since those dates? does it pick up now since 1998, Amber Wilde's unsolved murder to present?

Did he/she turn to drownings instead? Just a thought!

[BrowneyedEmily]

I'm not sure if this has already been posted:

http://www.surroundedbyreality.com/Misc/Crimes/Crimes.asp

[BrowneyedEmily]

Debra Bennet's murder is especially interesting:

" An autopsy, conducted by Dr. Billy Bauman, revealed that Debra had been dead for at least 10 days, but the exact cause of death was unknown. A fractured collarbone and dental records had enabled her identification. Soon after her discovery, investigators learned from friends that she had recently been evicted from her apartment and had been staying in a room at the Cardinal Hotel in downtown Madison. A native of Ridgeway in Iowa County, Debra had only lived in the area a short time. Investigators had no suspects and very little evidence to go on. In a mysterious twist, three weeks after her body was found, the key to her room was mailed to the hotel."

[SeriouslySearching]

OK now we don't have to discuss this on their individual threads! Here you go: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=60

[ihadcabinfever]

Xiong's family says she left her car at the alley around 11 p.m. Thursday to go with friends to a Green Bay bar. She also talked to her sister around that same time, telling her she was fine.

“I did call her that night around 11. She said she was fine, out with a few friends, bowling, just having a good time. That was the last time I’ve heard from her,” Xiong's older sister Melissa Sinitsky said.


Was this 2 different places or the bar was in the Bowling Alley?

[Beyond Belief]

Greta:
News on Mahalia, looked at all survellance tapes in area. Ping went to location about two miles away. No sign of her in any businesses. She diappeared between bowling alley and bridges. Bridges have survellance cameras, she was not on them.
She was the last to leave the bowling alley. Others not sure she left bowling for sure or not.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Greta:
News on Mahalia, looked at all survellance tapes in area. Ping went to location about two miles away. No sign of her in any businesses. She diappeared between bowling alley and bridges. Bridges have survellance cameras, she was not on them.
She was the last to leave the bowling alley. Others not sure she left bowling for sure or not.

Whoops, sorry, I responded to this in the other thread. But how are they not sure? I thought they said they saw her driving away?

[Beyond Belief]

Whoops, sorry, I responded to this in the other thread. But how are they not sure? I thought they said they saw her driving away?
Assumed she drove away when they did. Looks like she may have gotten into trouble at the bowling alley.

[Beyond Belief]

Greta:
A friend had actually sat in her car with her. Making sure she was ok to drive. She was, he left, last time he saw her was in his review mirror of his car. There were other cars in the bowling alley parking lot. Not necessary other people.
Searched waterways, haven't found anything.
Do police have a theory? No, hoping a solid lead comes soon.
Cell phone? Last signal on 700 block of Lombardi. (boyfriend talking)
Assuming call to brothers phone a minute or less. Thinking redial was hit.

[jess_j]

first post on websleuths!!
i'm so glad you brought up amber wilde! she was my husband's cousin!! this has brought back so many memories.
maybe amber should be added on the other thread about WI?

[SeriouslySearching]

first post on websleuths!!
i'm so glad you brought up amber wilde! she was my husband's cousin!! this has brought back so many memories.
maybe amber should be added on the other thread about WI?
Welcome and Hello, Jess_j! We will add her, of course. I haven't gotten into her case yet, but I will. Please feel free to post! We would appreciate your input. : )

[SeriouslySearching]

Xiong's family says she left her car at the alley around 11 p.m. Thursday to go with friends to a Green Bay bar. She also talked to her sister around that same time, telling her she was fine.

“I did call her that night around 11. She said she was fine, out with a few friends, bowling, just having a good time. That was the last time I’ve heard from her,” Xiong's older sister Melissa Sinitsky said.


Was this 2 different places or the bar was in the Bowling Alley? They are 2 different places. They started out at the Bowling alley then left to go to another bar...then came back to get her car.

[jess_j]

Welcome and Hello, Jess_j! We will add her, of course. I haven't gotten into her case yet, but I will. Please feel free to post! We would appreciate your input. : )


thanks for the welcome. i have been lurking for awhile now and registering was a pain with my email address!!

[cheko1]

first post on websleuths!!
i'm so glad you brought up amber wilde! she was my husband's cousin!! this has brought back so many memories.
maybe amber should be added on the other thread about WI?

Welcome to WS jess!!
Sorry to hear about your husbands cousin. It is difficult with the memories.

[SeriouslySearching]

Budzis says lots of people ask her questions about Xiong's disappearance, something police say makes the difference in missing persons cases.

"The key is the community, they're the eyes and ears," said Capt. Karl Fleury of he Green Bay Police Department. "We only have a certain amount of officers out on the road, certain amount of detectives."

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6820143

At least, they ADMIT it and ask for help unlike Madison LE!

[teacherbonnie]

Greta is gone tonight...could she be in WI visiting her Mom...etc??????

[ihadcabinfever]

http://images.todaystmj4.com/images/MissingCar600s.jpg

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8535542.html

[SeriouslySearching]

Was this mentioned in Mahalia's case recently? Lambeau Field? In Amber Wilde's case, her car was left at a sports bar near Lambeau Field. Just wondered if it was near the last place they think Mahalia was according to the phone ping.

[cheko1]

Mahalia's family held a candlelight vigil at Lambeau Field for her.

Lambeau field is the home of the Green Bay Packers!

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, Ok! Thanks, Cheko!

[KR2tonenow]

I am concerned that alot of wasted man hours on Francine Tate could have been focused on Mahalia! How nice it would be to find Mahalia sitting in her car reading a book! Unfortunately, this is appearing to be another lost "case" like the others.

Quite sad.

[cheko1]

I am concerned that alot of wasted man hours on Francine Tate could have been focused on Mahalia! How nice it would be to find Mahalia sitting in her car reading a book! Unfortunately, this is appearing to be another lost "case" like the others.

Quite sad.


I'm with you KR! Now lets use the states resources to find someone who needs found & while they're at it find Kelly Nolans killer!!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

I am going to save my thoughts over Tate taking off for later until we find out the circumstances...but don't think I will let it go for long!

Yes, now they can concentrate their efforts on Mahalia and finding Kelly's killer.

I thought they would have found her car by this time. I would think a white car would stand out anywhere. If it were ditched in the woods, they would have seen it from the air. Same if it were in the water unless it was quite deep. People are surely searching parking areas, airports, and apartment lots for it. (If the airport hasn't been checked...I would be angry!) It HAS to be somewhere!

[cheko1]

I agree SS the car needs found. I wonder if someone could of burnt it up / or as someone else told me possibly spray painted it? Doubtful but not many options available at this point.

[SeriouslySearching]

I would buy the burned theory, but not the spray paint. Altho, they would have had to take it far out of town for the burned theory as people would have called the fire dept. to put it out and it would have drawn attention fast.

[cheko1]

LE will probably ' really back off her case', figuring she also decided to just get away for a few days. :doh: :banghead:

[cheko1]

I would buy the burned theory, but not the spray paint. Altho, they would have had to take it far out of town for the burned theory as people would have called the fire dept. to put it out and it would have drawn attention fast.


I totally agree about the burned theory. Spray paint was a long shot! :eek:

[teacherbonnie]

Just reported by FOX news. A car has been located in some body of water. Could it be Mahalia's????

[cheko1]

I bet it is Mahalia's.

[SeriouslySearching]

Awww, I sure hope not!!!

http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/8728917.html

http://www.wbay.com/

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/8728812.html

[Beyond Belief]

article says located near Pearl St.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19977233


near the Fox River in the 200 block of South Pearl Street.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Geez, doesn't look good. And is it me, or are there no protections against driving into that river? As in, I don't see any guardrails or anything.

[cheko1]

Geez, doesn't look good. And is it me, or are there no protections against driving into that river? As in, I don't see any guardrails or anything.


It is quite frightening in many areas of Wis there are no guard rails. Stupid huh????

[Beyond Belief]

this may be a live feed
http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=ea6e127b-78d4-42bf-b74e-b420245b50a7

[cheko1]

thanks beyond

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, thanks very much! I guess they don't have it up yet.

[cheko1]

they need to put guard rails & fences up & this stuff would never happen.

[Coriess]

I wonder if someone else drove the car off the road to dump it?

[BrowneyedEmily]

Do you think that it's possible that Mahalia was calling her boyfriend/boyfriend's brother and lost control of the car and ended up in the river while calling?

[cheko1]

I wonder if someone else drove the car off the road to dump it?

could be no word if a body was in car yet

[SeriouslySearching]

Does this bozo reporter know he is on a live feed?!

[cheko1]

welcomre to Wis & our media SS..........LOL

[BrowneyedEmily]

Haha, I don't have my sound on, but he looks quite amusing...

[cheko1]

A ditz more like it Brown

[SeriouslySearching]

Live feed from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[BrowneyedEmily]

Live feed from CNN: http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4


Thanks SS :)

[Armandv101]

I was going to ask yesterday if there were bodies of water in the town. This is spooky.

[SeriouslySearching]

My live feed from their local news is off, but CNN's is still running.

[BrowneyedEmily]

One of my suspicions is, wouldn't anyone have noticed tracks if it were her? It looks grassy on the ground near it. And weren't they looking with helicopters around the river areas?

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess they didn't look closely enough. The tracks were found at 8:00am by an officer patrolling.

My question is why didn't they look in the past two weeks in these particular areas? Sheesh! I had assumed they looked all along the bodies of water on her route home. Boy, was I wrong!

[Armandv101]

Do you think that it's possible that Mahalia was calling her boyfriend/boyfriend's brother and lost control of the car and ended up in the river while calling?

Tragic as it may be (if it is confirmed that it is Mahalia's car and she's found inside), at least it would appear that there was no murderer in town.

[SeriouslySearching]

I will hold that opinion for now, but suffice it to say...if this is Mahalia's car and she is found...at least her family will have some closure.

[cheko1]

thanks for the link SS........car went quite a ways off the road.

[SeriouslySearching]

Won't be long now....looks like they have the crane almost attached. We are just waiting for the thumbs up from the diver.

It is quite surreal with the birds flying around. You can hear them squawking, yet knowing under the serene setting could be Mahalia in a watery grave. <sigh> Breaks my heart.

[cheko1]

I wonder if her family is there???

[BrowneyedEmily]

They did notify them. Gosh, this is so heartbreaking, whether it's her or not. Someone drove the car in there.

[SeriouslySearching]

I would be willing to bet LE wouldn't allow them to be on scene.

[cheko1]

yes they did notify them....
but said it may not be. But divers know it is if they notified her family I'd think.

[cheko1]

I would be willing to bet LE wouldn't allow them to be on scene.

When my cousin drowned they requested the family be there. We all were!

[SeriouslySearching]

That is very interesting, Cheko. Maybe they do have them there then.

[cheko1]

Maybe all of them never wanted to be.
But they are in a vehicle away from the scene. JMO

[cheko1]

I wonder if the guy in the blue is her bf?

[Armandv101]

I will hold that opinion for now, but suffice it to say...if this is Mahalia's car and she is found...at least her family will have some closure.

Yes, that's why I hedged my comments a bit:Tragic as it may be (if it is confirmed that it is Mahalia's car and she's found inside), at least it would appear that there was no murderer in town.Foul play could still be a factor. I remember a Hollywood producer or director went missing out in the Mojave Desert for a year. A year after he was missing, his SUV was found in the California Aqueduct. The clue about that case was that pieces of the vehicle was found near where the vehicle went in that was of the same make and model of the missing vehicle.

[cheko1]

water is VERY DEEP!

[SeriouslySearching]

How very sad for her family and boyfriend to sit and watch, but at least they will know.

It looks like they are trying to remove the body first. They threw the diver a black thing which could be a body bag.

[cheko1]

How very sad for her family and boyfriend to sit and watch, but at least they will know.

It looks like they are trying to remove the body first. They threw the diver a black thing which could be a body bag.

I seen that bag

[SeriouslySearching]

They need to keep those boats away! What is wrong with them? They had someone cruising by in the Foxy Lady a minute ago! Sheesh!

[cheko1]

i seen that........what the heck.
Fox just announced it is in 25 ft deep water

[kwatson696]

Where are ya'll watching this live? I can't find it.....I'm at work..:angel:

[Trino]

It appears the Green Bay Fire Dept. is deliberately hiding the body's removal from the media across the river. Maybe that's not such a bad idea.

[Ang50]

It is Greta's lead story today! :clap:

Have I mentioned lately that Greta is a UW grad AND I met her when we both spoke at my graduation?

Wonderful woman and definitely interested in Wisconsin - so keep commenting to her and feeding her staff stories...

[SeriouslySearching]

Looks like they are having an issue with the crane.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.cnn.com/video/live/live.html?stream=stream4

[Ang50]

Thank you!!!!! :blowkiss:

I couldn't of did it without my great friend here Ang! She was & is my special angel!!!!

You give me too much credit... YOU made sure justice was done...

BTW - Cheko - I guess your only flaw is being a Viking fan - oh, well - no one's perfect.

[kwatson696]

Thanks:)

[BrowneyedEmily]

Oh gosh...looks like it could be her car.

[SeriouslySearching]

Awww..sure looks like it is her car.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, that is a white Sable.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Why did it take so damn long for them to find tire tracks???

[SeriouslySearching]

Because they didn't look! They found them by accident today with an officer on regular patrol.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't think they removed a body yet. No windows look broken or doors opened.

[Ang50]

Why did it take so damn long for them to find tire tracks???

Didn't they also send in dive teams?? Green Bay is not that big that they couldn't have extensively searched...

[SewingDeb]

I don't think so either.

[BrowneyedEmily]

I'd be surprised if they had.

[Trino]

It's difficult to tell where the road goes by the river. I wonder if she just missed a turn and went straight into the river.

[kwatson696]

Is the car up side down............????:(

[SeriouslySearching]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1996-Mercury-Sable-GS-Cheap-Car-in-Good-Condition_W0QQitemZ180141654334QQihZ008QQcategoryZ 6343QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

Fox said reporter checked the plate and it was the car Mahalia was driving. Also said the family was on the west side of the river and were taken somewhere else after they saw the car.

[BrowneyedEmily]

:( Poor girl. Poor family.

[SeriouslySearching]

Well, we know it is the car, but we don't know if she is with the car yet.

[Salem]

Prayers to Mahalia's family.

Salem

[SeriouslySearching]

What was the other white tent they had set up? Did you catch that?

[BrowneyedEmily]

I'm not sure. It almost looked like a first aid station? I don't know...

[SewingDeb]

Is the car up side down............????:(

Yes. It was on its roof in 25 feet of water. They brought it out and set it down still upside down.

[chicoliving]

I noticed a stretcher being unloaded from a rescue vehicle....fwiw

[SeriouslySearching]

Can anyone read LE's butt signal there? I guess he was communicating to the men in the boat.

[SewingDeb]

I was wondering about that signal myself.

[SewingDeb]

What are the little white bags they are bringing over?

[SeriouslySearching]

I just lost the sound feed. Anyone else?

[SeriouslySearching]

What are the little white bags they are bringing over?
Sand bags to secure the backdrops when the water rushes out is my guess.

[kwatson696]

I think I froze up completely.:doh:

[SewingDeb]

Yes, I lost the sound feed too. Maybe they just realized the microphone was on.

[SewingDeb]

Thanks. I thought that might be what they were.

[SeriouslySearching]

Awww...here we go. Guess she is with the car after all. <sigh>

[SewingDeb]

I'm not sure why it's taking so long.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Looks like they're about to remove someone from the car? Hence the ambulance?

[SewingDeb]

Bringing out the stretcher.

[snarkymalarkey]

who would bring their dog?

[SewingDeb]

Loading a body. : (

[SeriouslySearching]

Bless Mahalia and her family. A tragic end for such a bright, promising young girl. My heart and prayers go out to them.

Rest in peace, Mahalia. You are home.

[SeriouslySearching]

who would bring their dog?
Probably the same people who brought their young kids I heard earlier.

[SewingDeb]

My condolences to the family. What a sad day.

[kwatson696]

God Bless Mahalia and her family:blowkiss:


I can't watch anymore.

[cheko1]

You give me too much credit... YOU made sure justice was done...

BTW - Cheko - I guess your only flaw is being a Viking fan - oh, well - no one's perfect.


:D :blushing: :blushing: Sorry Ang.....

[jantel74]

RIP Mahalia.

[BrowneyedEmily]

So unfortunate. :( For everyone. I'm not trying to take away from anything, but what would someone do if their car were to fall into a river? Wouldn't it be difficult to open the doors?

[cheko1]

RIP Sweet Mahalia!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

Everyone should buy the special tool to keep inside each vehicle that has a cutting tool for the seatbelt and a special hammer designed to break the glass while in water. It will allow you to free yourself from the vehicle so you can swim out possibly. You should always look for a pocket of air inside the vehicle, if you can, so you can help yourself survive long enough to break the window, too.

[cheko1]

These kinds of things just make a person sick. I'm thankful she was found & her family has closure. They have been thru he!! & back since she went missing. God bless them all.

[cheko1]

Everyone should buy the special tool to keep inside each vehicle that has a cutting tool for the seatbelt and a special hammer designed to break the glass while in water. It will allow you to free yourself from the vehicle so you can swim out possibly. You should always look for a pocket of air inside the vehicle, if you can, so you can help yourself survive long enough to break the window, too.


Wouldn't do me any good SS I can't swim!
I'd have a heart attack on my way into a river!

[SewingDeb]

NBC26 has confirmed a car recovered from the Fox River belongs to missing Green Bay student Mahalia Xiong. The car was recovered in the water near Bridge and Arndt Streets in the city's downtown district.

Police also tell us a body was discovered inside the car. They have not confirmed whether the body is that of Xiong.

The discovery of the car came early Thursday Morning when a Green Bay officer found tire tracks leading to the river. A crane was brought in and the Xiong family notified as dive teams worked to recover the vehicle. Family members arrived on the banks of the Fox River to watch the recovery. They were taken away by authorities shortly after the dive team recovered the car.


http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/8728812.html

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, but it should also be a relief to her family she didn't suffer like Kelly did. This is not the outcome any of us wanted, but it could actually have been so much worse.

[SeriouslySearching]

Wouldn't do me any good SS I can't swim!
I'd have a heart attack on my way into a river!
I can teach you how to swim, Cheko! I have taught many! You need to learn, Girl! It could save your life someday.

[SeriouslySearching]

I do hope they are going to treat the car as a crime scene and go over it with a fine toothed comb just in case. It does look like an accident, but they don't know this to be a fact. The only one who truly knows is Mahalia.

[KR2tonenow]

Thanks for the update, guys!

I was hoping for a better ending to this story of poor Mahalia!

Why did it take 2 weeks to discover tire tracks?

[BrowneyedEmily]

Haha, you're too good for work - you should be a full-time detective.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Why did it take 2 weeks to discover tire tracks?

That's what I want to know. And they discovered them by accident. If you can discover tire tracks on ground by accident, why couldn't they find them by helicopter?

[Coriess]

I agree KR2, two weeks!? I'm shocked that any Joe Schmo didn't stumble upon those tracks.

RIP Mahalia, I hope this brings you and your family some peace.

[SeriouslySearching]

Haha, you're too good for work - you should be a full-time detective.
I wish! I think I should go back to being a reporter. Once it is in your blood, you just can't get away from it. :) I hear Madison needs a good reporter. ;)

[BrowneyedEmily]

I wish! I think I should go back to being a reporter. Once it is in your blood, you just can't get away from it. :) I hear Madison needs a good reporter. ;)

Madison apparently needs a lot of things. But don't go missing - it'll take forever to find you.

[Coriess]

That's what I want to know. And they discovered them by accident. If you can discover tire tracks on ground by accident, why couldn't they find them by helicopter?

Awesome point...helicopter.

As I read and learn more and more about these cases, I have less and less faith in LE. Scary.

[petra]

Rest In Peace Mahalia.
Prayers and thoughts to her loved ones during this most difficult time.

[SeriouslySearching]

That's what I want to know. And they discovered them by accident. If you can discover tire tracks on ground by accident, why couldn't they find them by helicopter?
It certainly seems they should have! I can't believe they didn't search every inch of the river bank on foot either!! I can understand not wanting to send a dive time in the murky deep, but they could have at least searched along the banks. Makes no sense.

[Coriess]

It certainly seems they should have! I can't believe they didn't search every inch of the river bank on foot either!! I can understand not wanting to send a dive time in the murky deep, but they could have at least searched along the banks. Makes no sense.

This is my thinking too. I wonder if family or friends ever walked the bank?

[SeriouslySearching]

Madison apparently needs a lot of things. But don't go missing - it'll take forever to find you.
Not with you guys around it won't!! I have no faith in LE at this point, but I have faith in WSers!