WI-Another Madison Woman Missing, Francine Tate, 50

[ronniejo]

MADISON, Wis. -- The Dane County Sheriff's Department and family members are asking for help locating a missing woman.

Francine Tate, 50, hasn't been seen or heard from since around 8:30 p.m. Tuesday when she was in Madison, WISC-TV reported.

Tate has brown eyes and brown hair, is 5 feet 4 inches and weighs about 110 pounds, authorities said. She drives a burgundy 1997 Toyota Corolla.

Authorities said they do not suspect foul play but they said that her absence is uncharacteristic.

http://www.channel3000.com/news/13709348/detail.html

[CaliKid]

The picture accompanying the article certainly doesn't make her look 50. I'd say more like mid 20s or even early 30s. Maybe it's an old picture.

[CaliKid]

I googled Francine Tate, and it appears she is a Kindergarten teacher at Abundant Life Christian School.

http://www.alcs.us/cms/content/view/10/9/

[SeriouslySearching]

You have to be kidding me! I will certainly follow this case very closely as well. Don't expect to see much in the media tho since LE will be trying to keep this one out of the public, too. I hope she is found soon and is fine.

[SeriouslySearching]

At least, Dane101 is reporting on it. WTG, Dane! The only reporter around Madison which actually reports anything as I see it lately!

http://www.dane101.com/current/2007/07/18/missing_person_francine_tate_last_seen_on_july_17_ in_city_of_madison

[CaliKid]

Okay, they're still reporting her age as 50. So either the picture from the first link isn't Francine or it's an old picture.

[SeriouslySearching]

Since when does 50 have to look so old?! <sigh> I guess I better crawl under a rock next year. LOL

[ketel0ne]

At least, Dane101 is reporting on it. WTG, Dane! The only reporter around Madison which actually reports anything as I see it lately!

http://www.dane101.com/current/2007/07/18/missing_person_francine_tate_last_seen_on_july_17_ in_city_of_madison

Dane101 is a blog that gets about 600-1000 hits a day. Not sure if reporter really fits with them.

[JimNikki]

Facebook group:

Posted under recent news...."Hundreds of people have been blanketing south central Wisconsin with flyers. Many of us were at her husband Steve's house tonight to organize the search and support him. There have been no signs of her yet."

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=2607941780&ref=nf

Missing Flier:

http://people.msoe.edu/~detennid/Missing%20Person's%20Flier.pdf (http://people.msoe.edu/%7Edetennid/Missing%20Person%27s%20Flier.pdf)

[cheko1]

What in the world is going on here in Wisconsin???

All Wis women better be extra cautious!

[JimNikki]

Francine Tate
Age:50
Sex:Female
Race:White
Hair:Brown Eyes:Brown
Height: 5'4
Weight:110

Missing From:Town of Windsor, WI
Missing Since:07/17/2007

Details:Francine was last seen on Tuesday July 17, 2007 in the City of Madison around 8:30 PM.

Francine was last seen wearing a collarless short sleeve shirt and dark shorts.

Francine has some grey in her hair.

Francine should be driving a Burgundy 1997 Toyota Corolla with some gold trim. (NOTE: Image on flier indicates 4-door)

If Francine is seen please contact the Dane County Sheriff's Office at the numbers below or call the Dane County Communications Center at 255-2345.

Francine has spent many years volunteering for many different organizations; including but not limited to Alcohol Anonymous,Alanon,church groups, as well as being a foster parent for many years.

Francine has been a teacher, spending time teaching in the De Forest, Wisconsin school district and most recently teaching kindergarten at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, WI.

DANE COUNTRY SHERIFF'S OFFICE
Deputy Roger Finch
Detective Kathy Dorn
608-266-3546
608-284-6847
=======================================

Quoted from updated flier now being posted.

[JimNikki]

Flier/website:

http://www.francinetate.com (http://www.francinetate.com/)

[CaliKid]

Since when does 50 have to look so old?! <sigh> I guess I better crawl under a rock next year. LOL

Don't fret, SS. I am over 50, and she just doesn't look that old to me. LOL

[ronniejo]

I saw several of these fliers posted in Southwest Wisconsin today.
Glad people are getting the word out because I can barely find anything in the news. :banghead:

[ronniejo]

Here's a little snip of news....

Police investigators and family and friends of missing woman Francine Tate focused their energies on Dane County's Token Creek park.

Tate, 50, of the Town of Windsor was last seen at a Madison prayer meeting Tuesday evening.

Tate's brother-in-law, Dave Thompson told 27 News the nearly 100 volunteers and police officers converged on the park near the northeast edge of Madison because Tate was known to frequent the park, and because Tate was overheard saying she was going to a park to retrieve something, before she disappeared.

Tate was last seen at Mad-City Church offices on East Washington Avenue for a regular, weekly prayer meeting. Church pastor Joel Alberti said Tate appeared calm and tranquil. But Alberti told 27 News Tate has been struggling with depression, and resisting treatment. Alberti said Tate had cut back on church involvement, but remained a respected member who still attended weekend services and prayer meetings.

Thompson said Tate had not been out of contact with family for this long before. Thompson said Tate, her husband, and several friends had plans to travel outside the country in the upcoming months.

Most recently, Tate was an elementary school teacher at Abundant Life Christian School on Madison's east side. A school spokesman declined comment on her disappearance to 27 News, deferring to family members.

Authorities said she drove to the the prayer meeting in a burgundy, 1997 Toyota Corolla, license plate WKV 929. They said she was last seen wearing a short sleeve shirt and dark shorts.

A Dane County Sheriff's spokesperson said foul play is not suspected in her disappearance.
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13333

[TGIRecovered]

Tate's brother-in-law, Dave Thompson told 27 News the nearly 100 volunteers and police officers converged on the park near the northeast edge of Madison because Tate was known to frequent the park, and because Tate was overheard saying she was going to a park to retrieve something, before she disappeared.



Wonder what she had to retrieve from the park? What would a grown woman leave at a park? No mention of a sports hobby... a book or reading glasses left on a bench maybe? Sandals left out when she changed in to walking/running shoes? I wonder what she usually did when visiting the park?

Susan

[SeriouslySearching]

Wonder what she had to retrieve from the park? What would a grown woman leave at a park? No mention of a sports hobby... a book or reading glasses left on a bench maybe? Sandals left out when she changed in to walking/running shoes? I wonder what she usually did when visiting the park?

Susan

I thought it was a rather odd statement myself. Perhaps you are right and it was a book or something. She doesn't look like the jogging type to me or the sports type...but maybe her kids were there playing ball or something earlier. Could have been she dropped something and wanted to see if it was there.

[Beyond Belief]

Gretas going to talk about Francine on her show at 10 eastern time.

[Beyond Belief]

Fox just said her car is gone.
Her church is 5 or 6 miles from downtown Madison.
Left church abt 8 pm. Drive to home 20 minutes. Currently not working. Has no children. Pastor saw her at prayer meeting. Arrived 6"30 at church. A regular. Nothing unusual Tuesday night. Good marriage, sweet humble person
Lafal H.S. in East Madison is where the prayer meeting. Drive to her home from there to DeForest 25 minutes. Husband was looking for her all night. No one saw her get into the car or leave theparking lot. Meeting place 2 miles from State St.

[englishleigh]

This is getting scary around Madison and Green Bay, WI. I just saw this story on Greta. What an attractive and sweet-looking woman. Doesn't sound good.
:( I can't imagine that anyone this involved in her church and happy in her marriage and family would just up and drive away.

[SeriouslySearching]

She doesn't fit tho. No connection with UW. Age. Not at a bar. Something just doesn't work with this one and Kelly's.

They are going to have to start with the husband and work their way out on this case.

[Beyond Belief]

Green Bay 130 miles away. I wonder what has this perp wondering back and forth between the two places. Just strange, the first didn't have a car, but the other two did, but the cars have vanished.

[Taximom]

She doesn't fit tho. No connection with UW. Age. Not at a bar. Something just doesn't work with this one and Kelly's.

They are going to have to start with the husband and work their way out on this case.

I agree, SeriouslySearching.

[cheko1]

I can't imagine where the cars are at?
I'm certain LE has every squad looking for the cars.

This is frightening....everyone in Wi be very careful!
Who knows where this lunatic may strike at next.

[ronniejo]

Foul play not ruled out

Authorities are not ruling out foul play in the disappearance of a 50-year-old town of Windsor woman who disappeared Tuesday night, but at the same time the investigator in the case stressed that the disappearance of Francine Tate is not similar to that of a 22-year-old UW-Whitewater student who was murdered earlier this month.
"There's no indication that there's any foul play at this time," Lt. Steve Gilmore of the Dane County Sheriff's Office said of Tate, who was reported last seen at a prayer meeting Tuesday night in Madison. "We have a missing person that we are optimistic about locating alive and well."
Also Thursday, 250 or more volunteers and officials searched Token Creek County Park north of Madison after the Sheriff's Office received information from two credible sources that Tate planned to stop there some time Tuesday. The search turned up nothing, said Gilmore and Tate family spokesman Dee Thompson, Tate's brother-in-law.
Gilmore said the circumstances preceding Tate's disappearance and the disappearance of Kelly Nolan on June 23 are not comparable. Nolan was last heard from in the early morning hours after a night out at Downtown bars. Her body was found July 9 in woods outside Oregon.
http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/top/index.php?ntid=202085

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone find it odd the Sheriff's Dept. and not Madison LE is taking the lead on this case? She was last seen inside Madison proper (leaving the prayer meeting 2 miles from State St. on the east side of Madison)which makes Madison LE the lead investigative team...doesn't it?

[cheko1]

I also find this odd SS.

Hopefully they do better then Madisons LE. Kelly Nolan's murderer is still very much on the loose. Nothing in the News.....Probably headed to the cold case file now.

[SeriouslySearching]

Could it insinuate that Madison LE is "not investigating one of their own"?

[cheko1]

Could it insinuate that Madison LE is "not investigating one of their own"?

I think that might be it!

[SeriouslySearching]

I can't think of a reason Madison wouldn't take the lead other than this. She lived outside Madison proper, but that isn't where she was last seen. If she had left her home and been on the way to the prayer meeting, it would make sense. If they could place her in an area outside of Madison...but so far they haven't and the Sheriff's office picked up this case immediately instead of the local pd.

[JimNikki]

If the flier is any indication, she is officially missing from the Town of Windsor, not Madison...don't believe that insinuates anything about Madison law enforcement, but probably does indicate that they have reason to believe that the last place she was seen (downtown Madison) is just a fact in the case not necessarily a key to her disappearance.

[SeriouslySearching]

Being it IS a fact in her case...it would fall under the jurisdiction of the local pd. The flier is misleading. Her residence is outside of the area...near Deforest and Windsor, but unless they are keeping something from the public (which it doesn't really sound like they are), wouldn't they be investigating this from the point she was last seen? Makes no sense to me, if not.

[cheko1]

Being it IS a fact in her case...it would fall under the jurisdiction of the local pd. The flier is misleading. Her residence is outside of the area...near Deforest and Windsor, but unless they are keeping something from the public (which it doesn't really sound like they are), wouldn't they be investigating this from the point she was last seen? Makes no sense to me, if not.

Many times the local pd are not as qualified as the sheriffs dept. say Deforest/ Windsor area pd's.

Since she was last seen in Madison I'd think they would handle it. Might depend on which pd the missing person report was filed in.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...guess that is possible, Cheko. Thanks!

[KR2tonenow]

I find a trend with all 3 women in WI, same height and weight, and similar looks...

Why do the police keep on saying there is no similarities between Kelly Nolan, Francine Tate, and Mahalia with the alarming closeness and fact that these women are disappearing out of nowhere.

It is not "normal" for women to just disappear, especially when they leave constructive lives. There is a person or person(s) involved. And the fact that nobody speaks up as witnesses is mind blowing.

I wish all the families godspeed in finding their loved ones.

[SeriouslySearching]

It is only a "trend" to be missing if you live in or near Madison, WI. In other places, it would be considered a rare occurrence.

No, seriously...I agree they do share so many similiarities. If you will look back further into Kelly Nolan's thread here...you will find many UW or Madison women who fit the same profile, as I have outlined them.

[ronniejo]

Update:
Just days after a college student was found dead in the woods outside of Madison, police are again searching for a missing woman.

Francine Tate, 50, was last seen Tuesday night leaving a prayer meeting at Mad City Church.

The Dane County Sheriff's Office said Tate and her husband took in a stranger known only as Randy the night before she disappeared. They met the man through their affiliation with the church.

Police said the case is not connected with the death of Kelly Nolan, 22. Her body was found 11 days ago and no suspects have been named.

Dane County Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Elise Schaffer said nothing in the Tate case leads them to suspect foul play, but they can't rule it out.

She said Randy, the man the Tate's took in, is not a suspect at this point. He was seen leaving town alone and is thought to be headed toward South Dakota.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13726948/detail.html

[ronniejo]

Francine Tate's family announced Friday a $10,000 reward for information leading to the successful location of the Windsor woman.
More at link
http://wkow.madison.com/

[SeriouslySearching]

OMG! They have waited THIS long before saying they had a stranger who stayed at their house the NIGHT BEFORE she goes missing?! Where is the sketch of this guy?! Sheesh!!! Give the guy enough time to get completely out of the area before letting anyone know what he looks like!!

What ARE they thinking? And WHAT was she and her husband thinking letting a perfect stranger stay in their home?!?! (Religion makes people TOO trusting and TOO vulnerable at times.) Of course, he could have something to do with her disappearance!!

OK..seen by whom leaving town and in what mode of transportation? How do they know he was headed toward SD? Only because he was pointed in that general direction as he waltzed out of town?!

Here I was beginning to think the Dane County Sheriff's Office was doing a better job than Madison LE! I should have known their backwards thinking couldn't be very different in missing persons cases. Their "Too little too late" approach is what they are doing once again in the literal backwoods of Dane County!

What kind of training does LE receive in WI? Maybe they need to send their people to training outside the "killing fields" to gain the experience to deal with serious cases and learn how to possibly recover people before the worst happens.

I am thanking my lucky stars my family nor I live anywhere near there!

[JimNikki]

What ARE they thinking? And WHAT was she and her husband thinking letting a perfect stranger stay in their home?!?! (Religion makes people TOO trusting and TOO vulnerable at times.) Of course, he could have something to do with her disappearance!!

OK..seen by whom leaving town and in what mode of transportation? How do they know he was headed toward SD? Only because he was pointed in that general direction as he waltzed out of town?!

I'm not sure it's all LE's fault here. Something doesn't add up IMO...and between the lines:

1. Token Creek park is directly next to (and shares a road with) a full service (showers, rest area, etc.) truck stop off the interstate.
2. Drifters are not uncommon in that area.
3. The park is 5 minutes or less away from De Forest/Windsor...what couldn't wait 'til morning vs. approximately 9pm?

This met through a church affiliation stuff doesn't seem even half as probable as a drifter named "Randy" and an attempt to help a soul...just speculation...but then again, I'm not familiar with "church affiliation" protocol regarding identity verification.

[SeriouslySearching]

If LE knew from the beginning they had a stranger in their home...which I truly believe they did...it IS their fault for not acting on such.

[cheko1]

Makes you wonder what is really going on? Did she have a cell phone?

What makes them so certain Randy is actually headed for S Dakota?

[CaliKid]

So did this Randy take a bus? A train? His car? If he's in his own vehicle, how do they know FT isn't in the trunk?

[Beyond Belief]

The park. Is it a place where homeless gather?

[BrendaStar]

They had a stranger in the house the night before?!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[lymom3]

I'm not sure it's all LE's fault here. Something doesn't add up IMO...and between the lines:

1. Token Creek park is directly next to (and shares a road with) a full service (showers, rest area, etc.) truck stop off the interstate.
2. Drifters are not uncommon in that area.
3. The park is 5 minutes or less away from De Forest/Windsor...what couldn't wait 'til morning vs. approximately 9pm?

This met through a church affiliation stuff doesn't seem even half as probable as a drifter named "Randy" and an attempt to help a soul...just speculation...but then again, I'm not familiar with "church affiliation" protocol regarding identity verification.

I looked at that park on Google maps. I wouldn't go in there at night. It looks like a big place and I would be spooked.

[SeriouslySearching]

The church wouldn't check for identification verification, sadly enough. It is like I said before...TOO trusting and TOO vulnerable! They need to change their ways. (Yes, there I said it! LOL)

[ronniejo]

There is a different picture of her on this link.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13729969/detail.html

[SeriouslySearching]

She is a very attractive woman for her age.

[JimNikki]

The park. Is it a place where homeless gather?

No. The park is very safe, is VERY clean & very well maintained...active with campgrounds, horse trails, probably 5-6 shelters, baseball diamond, friz golf course, volleyball, huge dog park...One way in (by car), same way out...very much like how you would picture a wooded State Park on a smaller scale - usually with someone walking their dog or campers/people out for a stroll until the park closes. Usually there are park workers driving around in their trucks as well.

To get there, you drive...or have followed a Hwy or are coming of the interstate (entrance to the park is off the interstate exit) on foot. You weren't out for a stroll if you are walking, there is a reason (car trouble, whatever), so city type homeless are rare in the park or truck stop.

What's around if you were dropped off there? The park, the truck stop next to the park, walk across the Hwy & go to the other truck stop directly across from the one by the park or walk towards Madison and go to the other large(r) truck stop on the other side of the interstate/hwy intersection...with the porn shop next to it.

Beyond that you've got a pretty long walk on the Hwy's to get to any active part of the surrounding communities. That's why it isn't unusual to see drifters/hitchers of all types looking for rides off the ramps...although rare if you only occasionally pass through & it's not like they're everywhere or bugging people at the pumps. Road-wear like appearances, not dirty.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://www.dane101.com/current/2007/07/19/missing_person_francine_tate_flyer_and_photo

[MysteryAddict]

http://www.dane101.com/current/2007/07/19/missing_person_francine_tate_flyer_and_photo


That is a more flattering younger picture than the ones I saw onTV in which she look at least 50 if not older!!

I have a sister 58 who looks younger than her.
Just my humble opinion.

[eleven]

That is a more flattering younger picture than the ones I saw onTV in which she look at least 50 if not older!!

I have a sister 58 who looks younger than her.
Just my humble opinion.

I think that the family just wants ANY photo of her out there and they aren't being concerned with incidentals like whether or not the photo is "flattering" to her or if it makes her look younger or not. In this situation, who would?

She looks like a 50 year old woman because she IS a 50 year old woman. No harm in that. I don't see one thing wrong with her appearance, in fact she is an attractive lady. Dwelling on her appearance is neither here nor there, she just needs to be found.

[englishleigh]

I think that the family just wants ANY photo of her out there and they aren't being concerned with incidentals like whether or not the photo is "flattering" to her or if it makes her look younger or not. In this situation, who would?

She looks like a 50 year old woman because she IS a 50 year old woman. No harm in that. I don't see one thing wrong with her appearance, in fact she is an attractive lady. Dwelling on her appearance is neither here nor there, she just needs to be found.

Thank you, Eleven, exactly what I was thinkiing!! :clap:

[Beyond Belief]

No. The park is very safe, is VERY clean & very well maintained...active with campgrounds, horse trails, probably 5-6 shelters, baseball diamond, friz golf course, volleyball, huge dog park...One way in (by car), same way out...very much like how you would picture a wooded State Park on a smaller scale - usually with someone walking their dog or campers/people out for a stroll until the park closes. Usually there are park workers driving around in their trucks as well.

To get there, you drive...or have followed a Hwy or are coming of the interstate (entrance to the park is off the interstate exit) on foot. You weren't out for a stroll if you are walking, there is a reason (car trouble, whatever), so city type homeless are rare in the park or truck stop.

What's around if you were dropped off there? The park, the truck stop next to the park, walk across the Hwy & go to the other truck stop directly across from the one by the park or walk towards Madison and go to the other large(r) truck stop on the other side of the interstate/hwy intersection...with the porn shop next to it.

Beyond that you've got a pretty long walk on the Hwy's to get to any active part of the surrounding communities. That's why it isn't unusual to see drifters/hitchers of all types looking for rides off the ramps...although rare if you only occasionally pass through & it's not like they're everywhere or bugging people at the pumps. Road-wear like appearances, not dirty.
Have they mentioned why she was going there? I was thinking to lend a hand, maybe to someone
unfortunate.

[docwho3]

I think that the family just wants ANY photo of her out there and they aren't being concerned with incidentals like whether or not the photo is "flattering" to her or if it makes her look younger or not. In this situation, who would?

She looks like a 50 year old woman because she IS a 50 year old woman. No harm in that. I don't see one thing wrong with her appearance, in fact she is an attractive lady. Dwelling on her appearance is neither here nor there, she just needs to be found.
Actually a less flattering pic may be best in some cases since people often do not look their best all the time so having a pic with them looking less than perfect may be more natural in some ways.

[teacherbonnie]

Initially I read she went there to find something she left behind/lost. I don't know for fact who made that statement but I recall her husband being quoted that she called him to say she was going to stop there quickly after the church meeting.

I think we need Greta to go visit her Mom for awhile and work on our WI cases in person!

[cheko1]

Initially I read she went there to find something she left behind/lost. I don't know for fact who made that statement but I recall her husband being quoted that she called him to say she was going to stop there quickly after the church meeting.

I think we need Greta to go visit her Mom for awhile and work on our WI cases in person!


I wish someone would go visit Wi to find out what is going on & to get LE off there lazy a$$ behinds.

[concernedperson]

Initially I read she went there to find something she left behind/lost. I don't know for fact who made that statement but I recall her husband being quoted that she called him to say she was going to stop there quickly after the church meeting.

I think we need Greta to go visit her Mom for awhile and work on our WI cases in person!

I have been following and not posting but something is up there for sure. To me it seems like cluster murders which is indicative of a serial. Don't mean to spread panic but it seems similar to the Louisiana serial killer. Derrick Todd Lee.

[JimNikki]

Mystery man sought in missing person case; He may be in S.D.
Argus Leader, Sioux Falls

A man being sought in a Wisconsin woman’s disappearance told people he’s headed for South Dakota, and authorities today released a detailed description of him and appealed for help.

Francine Tate, 50, was last seen Tuesday night leaving a church prayer meeting in Madison, Wisc. The night before, she and her husband took in the stranger, a man known only by the first name of Randy. They had met him through their church.

Now, the authorities want to speak with the man, who is described as a transient.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070721/NEWS/70721004/1001

[JimNikki]

Anyone have a link to the "detailed description"?

[ihadcabinfever]

He’s described as a white man in his 40s, about 5-foot-6 with a thin build. He has brown, wavy shoulder-length hair, a goatee and bad teeth.

He may be accompanied by a medium-sized black dog that goes by the name “Sofie.” He also may be carrying a backpack or piece of luggage that can be pulled on wheels.

He may be driving a 1997 burgundy-colored Toyota Corola with Wisconsin license plates WKV 929.

The man has spent time in the Madison and Milwaukee areas of Wisconsin, as well as Minnesota. But investigators aren’t certain what ties he may have to South Dakota, or what part of the state he may be heading to.


http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070721/NEWS/70721004/1001

says he needs a dentist

[JimNikki]

lol...thanks...

[SeriouslySearching]

Surely, she wouldn't have given this guy a ride that night, would she? Altho..they did say he was seen walking, but they didn't say exactly when.

[CaliKid]

I hope they locate this guy and she's okay. But this whole scenario sounds bad for her.

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, me too! It would be so great if she turned up alive and well!

[cheko1]

I'm with everyone else it would be wonderful if she were found alive & well. But I can't imagine a woman in her 50's being gone this long without notifying her family she was ok.......nope just don't see it.

If she gave him a ride to S Dakota / she could of been there & back again several times in the time she has been gone.

[Beyond Belief]

Have they mentioned if there was any activity on her credit/bank cards?

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't really see it either, Cheko. If she did give him a ride, he could have easily overpowered her and kept the car. She knew nothing about this man except what he told them. He could be a rapist or worse. God knows they let people out of jail for rape, murder, etc. even if they were guilty! <shaking my head> Who knows what is on this guy's record or where he is from?!

[englishleigh]

Surely, she wouldn't have given this guy a ride that night, would she? Altho..they did say he was seen walking, but they didn't say exactly when.

Well, since it sounds like she and her husband took this guy into their home, why wouldn't she have given him a ride?

I know they were just trying to be good Christians, but I wonder sometimes what people are thinking when they take in transients and pick up hitchhikers?

[Salem]

So they think this Randy guy might be driving her car.....

~snip~ He may be driving a 1997 burgundy-colored Toyota Corola with Wisconsin license plates WKV 929. ~end snip~

If he said he was going to South Dakota, I think I would start looking in an opposite direction......

When was he supposed to have left town? Did he get up the next morning and split? or did he hang out all day? Is there a possibility she went to the park to meet him? Did he have a cell phone? He could have used a pay phone from any of those many truck stops in the Park area. Could he have called her and said he left something in her car and he would meet her at the park to get it back before he went on his way?

Is information being posted at the several truck stops near this park?

Lots of questions..........

Salem

[Beyond Belief]

I think they said Randy was connected to Minnesota. Well anyway here some information on Mi corrections, for men named Randy.

Fugitive
http://info.doc.state.mn.us/publicviewer/Inmate.asp?OID=182601

List of Randy's
http://info.doc.state.mn.us/publicviewer/ResultsList.asp

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks, BB! I was doing the same thing. However, the guy they are looking for is in his 40s and is only 5' 6". This should narrow down the scope a lot.

[SeriouslySearching]

So they think this Randy guy might be driving her car.....Yes, they seem to believe it is possible.

~snip~ He may be driving a 1997 burgundy-colored Toyota Corola with Wisconsin license plates WKV 929. ~end snip~

If he said he was going to South Dakota, I think I would start looking in an opposite direction......Good idea! They should have fliers out at all those truck stops along any route in or out of the Madison area.

When was he supposed to have left town? LE did say she saw him the day she went missing, but did not say when.

Did he get up the next morning and split? This seems like what they are saying, but no mention of the time he left.

Is there a possibility she went to the park to meet him? Someone said she "left" something there and went to find it.

Did he have a cell phone? He was a transient, so I seriously doubt it.

Could he have called her and said he left something in her car and he would meet her at the park to get it back before he went on his way? He could have, but they would have that information already...I would hope.

Is information being posted at the several truck stops near this park? I have no answer to this. Maybe someone could check it that lives near there and make certain they have it posted by downloading a few fliers from her site.


Salem
They need to find the car! It should help explain a lot by the person driving it or has driven it recently.

[JimNikki]

Is information being posted at the several truck stops near this park?

Yes...my wife & I stopped with fliers on the way to the Wisconsin Dells area & many already had them.

[JimNikki]

It would seem that this would be the likely affiliation with the church:

""For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me…I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me." Matthew 25:35-40 "

http://www.madcitychurch.org/missionofmercy.asp

Which would connect to the Salvation Army of Dane County...and possibly be the source of "Randy's" past/future location information?

[JDB]

It would seem that this would be the likely affiliation with the church:

""For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat. I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me…I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me." Matthew 25:35-40 "

http://www.madcitychurch.org/missionofmercy.asp

Which would connect to the Salvation Army of Dane County...and possibly be the source of "Randy's" past/future location information?


When I was growing up as a preachers kid. I can recall many times where my folks would bring into our house a HOBO for dinner. Us kids never thought twice about it.In fact one of the people we brought in was an artist down on his luck. He offered and did repaint the baptism back waal free of charge just for Dinners. We have to all keep in mind. Just because a person is homeless does not mean they are a bad person.
Many pepole now days on the streets were engs. electricians, owners of businesses.Why do we always pigeon hole people?

[cheko1]

When I was growing up as a preachers kid. I can recall many times where my folks would bring into our house a HOBO for dinner. Us kids never thought twice about it.In fact one of the people we brought in was an artist down on his luck. He offered and did repaint the baptism back waal free of charge just for Dinners. We have to all keep in mind. Just because a person is homeless does not mean they are a bad person.
Many pepole now days on the streets were engs. electricians, owners of businesses.Why do we always pigeon hole people?

JDB in our society today many people are out of work for all the right reasons, as it was when we were young. People were very gracious & thankful for getting a meal.

That said........today we are living in a totally different society of people.
Many people are on drugs & would gladly kill just for $1.00 / you can't trust people today as you could back then. Do you honestly see someone that is that grateful today just to have a job? You can't trust people today......people are flipping nuts! A childhood friend of mine was shot in the face killed instantly over $5.00

Look at Ed Smart & his family did they expect there daughter to be kidnapped? Its an entirely different world we live in today....thats my story & I'm sticking to it. :blushing:

[SeriouslySearching]

It would seem that this would be the likely affiliation with the church:

http://www.madcitychurch.org/missionofmercy.asp

Which would connect to the Salvation Army of Dane County...and possibly be the source of "Randy's" past/future location information?
You are probably right.

I have to ask why this Randy person wasn't staying in a shelter as opposed to going home with this family tho? Why would anyone put themselves in such danger knowingly? I understand their "need or want" to counsel the transient types, but you simply need to have rules in place which don't allow such direct contact as your home.

If the church was instrumental in doing this, I feel they should immediately rethink their strategies. To put their members in a situation where they are bringing people into their homes like "Randy" is ludicrous!

JDB~ When we were growing up, people were also kept in mental institutions away from the public if they were considered a threat to society. Today, they are on the streets with others who are down on their luck. One man might be an out of work accountant while another might be criminally insane and has been "reintegrated" back into society intentionally.

Drugs and the mentally ill are now playing a role they did not 20 or 30 years ago. We do not live in a safe society today. It doesn't mean we are calloused to the needs of the homeless, but it should mean we are more cautious in addressing situations in dealing with them. We have shelters where people can go for this type of help who are equiped to handle it.

[JDB]

I guess I rattled a few cages. But nothing has changed from when I was growing up to today. I better retrack that one thing has changed we now have the internet.We hear more now. I recall many stories of Men my folks took in for a dinner that would tell us of going to the store buying Wine with money they had.Did it scare us as Kids? No becuase these people were like you an I.And lets not fool ourselves in thinking Drugs and Booze was not that bad back then.SS you are incorrect talking about people back then being locked up.I saw many of them wandering the streets here.Like I said the change we all have seen is the internet. This type of crime has been going on for a long time.

[cheko1]

I guess I rattled a few cages. But nothing has changed from when I was growing up to today. I better retrack that one thing has changed we now have the internet.We hear more now. I recall many stories of Men my folks took in for a dinner that would tell us of going to the store buying Wine with money they had.Did it scare us as Kids? No becuase these people were like you an I.And lets not fool ourselves in thinking Drugs and Booze was not that bad back then.SS you are incorrect talking about people back then being locked up.I saw many of them wandering the streets here.Like I said the change we all have seen is the internet. This type of crime has been going on for a long time.

Yes we have the internet & Direct TV / Sat Dish & know more world news. So we hear of alot more crimes.

Booze was rampant when I was a kid but never heard of drugs until I was a teenager. :laugh: I lived a sheltered life!

[SeriouslySearching]

I guess I rattled a few cages. But nothing has changed from when I was growing up to today. I better retrack that one thing has changed we now have the internet.We hear more now. I recall many stories of Men my folks took in for a dinner that would tell us of going to the store buying Wine with money they had.Did it scare us as Kids? No becuase these people were like you an I.And lets not fool ourselves in thinking Drugs and Booze was not that bad back then.SS you are incorrect talking about people back then being locked up.I saw many of them wandering the streets here.Like I said the change we all have seen is the internet. This type of crime has been going on for a long time.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree then.

Booze and drugs were part of the scene back then, but there wasn't crack, crank, and some of the uglier drugs we are seeing manufactured today. Yes, some of the homeless then were alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. However, it is not because of the internet things "seemed" to have changed....they HAVE changed! It isn't because the media is reporting it more. It is because crime has actually risen and worsened over the past 20-30 years! This is a fact!

I am not incorrect about people being held in institutions back then. Look it up! They phased out the majority of institutionalized care in the United States starting about 15-20 years ago. They began releasing and "integrating" the people there back into normal society at the time. I know this to be true because my best friend worked for a home health care group set up by the government and was totally responsible for one of those "institutionalized" females who had been there for most of her life until she was "released" back to her family with 24 hour care. There were many who did not have families to go back to and when they closed the doors to the asylums...they were on their own with various numbers to call who offered free services. They are still on the streets and their numbers are growing.

[JimNikki]

I do agree that "just because a person is homeless does not mean they are a bad person"...not sure if that was a public service announcement or directed towards me so I thought I'd clear that up.

The fact that the individual has been described as (therefor may be) a transient/HOBO/drifter in this context is just that...a fact of the case.

When I was growing up as a preachers kid. I can recall many times where my folks would bring into our house a HOBO for dinner. Us kids never thought twice about it.In fact one of the people we brought in was an artist down on his luck. He offered and did repaint the baptism back waal free of charge just for Dinners.

Or...

1. You would think twice if the next night your mommy wasn't there when you went to sleep.

2. Perhaps, instead of the benefit of cheap manual labor, the meals could've been dependent upon the number of job applications he brought back. I realize that sounds cold, but honestly...The Church wields power, he has the facilities to 'clean up', assistance in proper attire, rides...but instead, the only lasting impact of those methods are freshly painted back baptism wall's all across the country...and names nobody can remember. Worse yet, probably never asked.

My point is, there are many ways to look at the social aspect of homelessness and how to combat it, but honestly...a thread about a case potentially involving one isn't the best place. IMO...Even though I agree. :)

[SeriouslySearching]

My point is, there are many ways to look at the social aspect of homelessness and how to combat it, but honestly...a thread about a case potentially involving one isn't the best place. IMO...Even though I agree. :)

Nor do I believe every homeless person is a bad person.

I gave that some thought, JimNikki, about posting what I did on this thread. Actually, I believe it is relevant. Even tho, "Randy" may not have anything to do with this case in the end...I hope someone from the church does read this and realize what a dangerous situation they could be placing their parishioners in, if they are encouraging them to invite strangers to their homes for the night.

My sister, my son, and DIL are Missionaries and I would argue the same point with them if need be. So far, I haven't found the need to because as much as they care about helping people and the less fortunate...they haven't put themselves in such a situation and neither have their churches suggested it.

[JimNikki]

I gave that some thought, JimNikki, about posting what I did on this thread. Actually, I believe it is relevant. Even tho, "Randy" may not have anything to do with this case in the end...I hope someone from the church does read this and realize what a dangerous situation they could be placing their parishioners in, if they are encouraging them to invite strangers to their homes for the night.

SS - I believe you're right on there, and not just someone from the church. I think it's all relevant to this case too, IMO, even if (as you said) "Randy" doesn't have anything to do with it. Faith is one thing, but blind (ie. to common sense) faith is another.

[cheko1]

I am reposting this here from the Kelly Nolan thread:
So everyine knows I have contacted the media.....it may not hurt for everyone to send letters to the Wi media...won't do much good but at least its an attempt for info:

I contacted WKOW TV in regards to media coverage on all the women disapearing in Wi. Deidre Harm, Kelly Nolan & 2 more vanishes. That even Greta on Fox News is suggesting a serial killer in Wi...
That LE isn't doing there job & the media needs to do their job in reporting such!

Al Zobel emailed me back & stated: As soon as there is even a shred of evidence a serial killer is loose they will report that.

:doh: :doh: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/misc/progress.gif

[SeriouslySearching]

Here we can discuss the other missing/murdered WI cases:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=60

[ihadcabinfever]

Surely, she wouldn't have given this guy a ride that night, would she? Altho..they did say he was seen walking, but they didn't say exactly when.


Why Wouldn't she ? If he already had stayed over , her guard would be down. Probably seems like a "really nice guy".

with his cute dog.........

[cheko1]

Why Wouldn't she ? If he already had stayed over , her guard would be down. Probably seems like a "really nice guy".

with his cute dog.........


She probably did cabin.......
I'm not a trusting soul!

[ronniejo]

Possible Sightings Of Randy and Francine

A Dane County Sheriff's official told 27 News the person-of-interest being sought in the disappearance of Francine Tate of the Town of Windsor is a homeless man who claims to be a recovering alcoholic, who was seen hitchhiking near the interstate in DeForest on the day of Tate's disappearance.

Lieutenant Steve Gilmore said the man, known only as Randy, had stayed at the home of Tate and her husband right before her disappearance on July 17. Tate was last seen at a Madison prayer meeting.

Gilmore said the man's involvement with the support network of the group Alcoholics Anonymous connected him to the Tates. Tate's father, Francis Renz told 27 News in addition to hosting "Randy," his daughter's husband helped him prepare to hitchhike, with the man intending to try to get to South Dakota.

Gilmore told 27 News there have been possible sightings of "Randy" and Tate, separately in Minnesota and South Dakota, and Sheriff's investigators are receiving surveillance video from the locations of some of the possible sightings.

Authorities describe Randy as a person of interest in Tate's disappearance. The man is described as white, in his forties, 5'6" with a smallish build, shoulder length hair with a goatee. Authorities said Tate is also believed to be with a black dog.

Renz said he could imagine his daughter's compassion extending to driving a houseguest to some place out of state. But Renz said he can't fathom her being out of touch. "She always let people know where she was going, what she was doing."

More at Link
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13422

[ronniejo]

Okay now....This artical says there have been no sightings. Make up thier minds already!!! Sounds like the family is a little suspicious about her disappearance.

Francine Tate, 50, was last seen Tuesday, July 17, in Madison.

Her family has been frantically searching for her, now they are working hard to make sure Tate’s picture is everywhere, reported WISC-TV.

Sheriff’s investigators also have a more detailed description of the man known as Randy, the man who stayed with Francine and her husband in their home the night before she disappeared.

Randy is described as 5 feet, 6 inches tall, with a thin build, wavy brown hair and a goatee.

Authorities said he’s likely to be with a black dog and wheeling around a luggage cart.

When asked what he thought was going on, Tate’s brother-in-law, Dee Thompson said, “I can’t speculate on what she’s thinking or feeling.”

Thompson said he wants to believe that Tate may be watching the news reports.

He said he wants her to know she won’t be in any trouble over the disappearance.

“She could walk in today and everybody would be overjoyed,” said Thompson. “We still need to find her, the reason she can’t or won’t doesn’t matter.”
More at link
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13740551/detail.html

[SeriouslySearching]

I will be interested in hearing about what they find on the tapes...if it is actually her they sighted.

It rather makes me angry they won't release the sketch and instead are witholding it to show potential witnesses or whatever they said! Stupid move already LE!!! Show the public who the woman is possibly with so we can bring her home before he does harm her...if he hasn't already! GRRRR! They really do NOT know how to work a missing persons case in WI! The MOST important thing is to find either her, the car, or the POI...THEN worry about building a case!

[ihadcabinfever]

http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13422

Tate's father, Francis Renz told 27 News in addition to hosting "Randy," his daughter's husband helped him prepare to hitchhike, with the man intending to try to get to South Dakota.

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.channel3000.com/news/13740551/detail.html

MADISON, Wis. -- Authorities are pursuing a new direction in the disappearance of a DeForest woman.
Francine Tate, 50, was last seen Tuesday, July 17, in Madison.
Her family has been frantically searching for her, now they are working hard to make sure Tate’s picture is everywhere, reported WISC-TV.
Sheriff’s investigators also have a more detailed description of the man known as Randy, the man who stayed with Francine and her husband in their home the night before she disappeared.
Randy is described as 5 feet, 6 inches tall, with a thin build, wavy brown hair and a goatee.
Authorities said he’s likely to be with a black dog and wheeling around a luggage cart.
When asked what he thought was going on, Tate’s brother-in-law, Dee Thompson said, “I can’t speculate on what she’s thinking or feeling.”
Thompson said he wants to believe that Tate may be watching the news reports.


Isnt this guys grace period over ? Get his picture out there !!!!!!!!!!!

[concernedperson]

Something is wrong with this whole scenario. Does anyone think she purposely left with this guy? Nada, he may be a scapegoat for something else. Too soon to tell but she isn't or doesn't seem to be the type to go off with a guy. JMO. Waiting for more info.

[ihadcabinfever]

Something is wrong with this whole scenario. Does anyone think she purposely left with this guy? Nada, he may be a scapegoat for something else. Too soon to tell but she isn't or doesn't seem to be the type to go off with a guy. JMO. Waiting for more info.


nope. so tell me who set the mood on this whole investigation ? alot of young girls headed that way for school soon. not mine.

[ihadcabinfever]

beleive it or not people that have a drinking problem still matter , even the women , I dont like this attitude at all.

the reality is there is a very big percentage of the population that have a drinking problem. some get help , some dont.

I hope this picture gets out there soon . I just knew I was gonna be mad. how amny more is it gonna take??????????

[Beyond Belief]

Greta" Green Bay and Madison LE huddling together comparing two college students. Don't really think Francine, Francine had bouts of depression, which possible explain her disappearance. Thinking man staying there may fit into the equation. Found nothing new.
News on Mahalia, looked at all survellance tapes in area. Ping went to location about two miles away. No sign of her in any businesses. She diappeared between bowling alley and bridges. Bridges have survellance cameras, she was not on them.
She was the last to leave the bowling alley. Others not sure she left bowling for sure or not.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Greta" Green Bay and Madison LE huddling together comparing two college students. Don't really think Francine, Francine had bouts of depression, which possible explain her disappearance. Thinking man staying there may fit into the equation. Found nothing new.
News on Mahalia, looked at all survellance tapes in area. Ping went to location about two miles away. No sign of her in any businesses. She diappeared between bowling alley and bridges. Bridges have survellance cameras, she was not on them.
She was the last to leave the bowling alley. Others not sure she left bowling for sure or not.

Others not sure? I thought they said they saw her driving away?

[ihadcabinfever]

well she didnt look hard enough .

[Beyond Belief]

A friend had actually sat in her car with her. Making sure she was ok to drive. She was, he left, last time he saw her was in his review mirror of his car. There were other cars in the bowling alley parking lot. Not necessary other people.
Searched waterways, haven't found anything.
Do police have a theory? No, hoping a solid lead comes soon.
Cell phone? Last signal on 700 block of Lombardi. (boyfriend talking)
Assuming call to brothers phone a minute or less. Thinking redial was hit.

[CaliKid]

They need to locate this Randy and find her car. If he's driving it, they should keep in mind that he probably changed the license plate by now.

[concernedperson]

I am really concerned that media is not connecting the dots and neither are LE or they are not releasing info. This is different than a one missing person in a rural county, this is several missing and murdered people in a geographic area.

For a long time Louisiana LE wouldn't connect or wouldn't release info about their killings. It caused more deaths. Many people were killed because of inaction to alert the public. Two serials were operating at the same time with different victimology. It doesn't matter as someone was hurt. I just pray that it gets enough press to really look into what is going on.

[ihadcabinfever]

you dont need LE to connect the dots . It's all here if you look closely. Go back and reread the threads from the beginning.

[ihadcabinfever]

They need to locate this Randy and find her car. If he's driving it, they should keep in mind that he probably changed the license plate by now.

If he left in that car he probably isn't driving it anymore. Geez he probably ditched the dog.

[jess_j]

i wouldn't say that the park is very safe. there was a murder there a few years ago....

No. The park is very safe, is VERY clean & very well maintained...active with campgrounds, horse trails, probably 5-6 shelters, baseball diamond, friz golf course, volleyball, huge dog park...One way in (by car), same way out...very much like how you would picture a wooded State Park on a smaller scale - usually with someone walking their dog or campers/people out for a stroll until the park closes. Usually there are park workers driving around in their trucks as well.

To get there, you drive...or have followed a Hwy or are coming of the interstate (entrance to the park is off the interstate exit) on foot. You weren't out for a stroll if you are walking, there is a reason (car trouble, whatever), so city type homeless are rare in the park or truck stop.

What's around if you were dropped off there? The park, the truck stop next to the park, walk across the Hwy & go to the other truck stop directly across from the one by the park or walk towards Madison and go to the other large(r) truck stop on the other side of the interstate/hwy intersection...with the porn shop next to it.

Beyond that you've got a pretty long walk on the Hwy's to get to any active part of the surrounding communities. That's why it isn't unusual to see drifters/hitchers of all types looking for rides off the ramps...although rare if you only occasionally pass through & it's not like they're everywhere or bugging people at the pumps. Road-wear like appearances, not dirty.

[SeriouslySearching]

i wouldn't say that the park is very safe. there was a murder there a few years ago....
Do you have a name or a year? Any further info on it?

[Taximom]

I'm really irritated that we don't even know "Randy's" last name.

[jess_j]

Do you have a name or a year? Any further info on it?

here is what i found...
Token Creek Park Brutal Murder
On June 3, 1993 a 29-year-old man dragged a woman at knifepoint into a men’s room of Shelter No. 5 in Token Creek Park. The 30-year-old De Forest woman’s body was discovered by a man who went to use the bathroom. When the police arrived she was still warm but had her throat slashed, several other stab wounds, and bruises.

A man whom Token Creek County Park employees nicknamed “Rambo” because he typically dressed in military fatigues, was arrested. He confessed to the crime showing little emotion. He had planned the crime so carefully that he brought a change of clothes to wear after the killing.

The was not Rambo’s first brush with violence and sexual assault. He was convicted in Coweta County, Ga., of sexual assault at gunpoint in 1984 and was still on probation for the 1991 sexual assault of a child in Madison. His sentence was a year in jail with work-release privileges and probation.

Police found the buck knife allegedly used in the murder hidden in the car's air cleaner in the engine compartment.

http://www.surroundedbyreality.com/Misc/Crimes/DSMurder.asp

[Taximom]

Too bad we don't know Rambo's name. Hope it isn't Randy.

[jess_j]

more info on token creek park from 2004...
http://www.channel3000.com/news/3695381/detail.html

Dane County, Wisconsin officials set up a sex sting at Token Creek Park, just north of Madison, and issued five citations over the weekend. The city is listing in a news release the names of those picked up in the most recent round up. According to Lt. Steve Gilmore, commander of Dane County's northeast precinct, it'll act as a deterrent to curb this activity.

[Taximom]

Another interesting (older) article about the park:

http://www.channel3000.com/news/3695381/detail.html
August 31, 2004
MADISON, Wis. -- Dane County officials set up a sex sting at Token Creek Park, just north of Madison, and issued five citations over the weekend.

Many are drawn to the scenic Dane County park after accessing Web sites, which list the park and several other local parks as cruising areas for sex, reports News 3's Joel DeSpain. (more at link)

--I don't think this has anything to do with her disappearance. Just more info about locations mentioned.

[Taximom]

Oops, should have known others would be on top of this! lol

[SeriouslySearching]

Doesn't sound like such a safe park to me! Slasher and hookers?!

[JimNikki]

Doesn't sound like such a safe park to me! Slasher and hookers?!
:crazy:

Well, I still believe the park is safe. :p lol

I would bet if you sting any semi-private public 400+ acre park and add in campers, well, camping...you'll probably nab a few getting too comfortable there. IMO, with the number of truck stops nearby...that number should've been much higher, if it wasn't safe that is. lol

I'm not even going to dwell on the fact that it's just off the interstate...which again, should have that number rise as well...but we're still going back years to find anything on the park.

The only thing you see driving in and around are people enjoying the park...the porn is down the street, next to the other truck stop. ;p

Now, don't any of you start telling me that number would be higher if LE in Wisconsin could do their job....:D

[Taximom]

:crazy:

Well, I still believe the park is safe. :p lol

I would bet if you sting any semi-private public 400+ acre park and add in campers, well, camping...you'll probably nab a few getting too comfortable there. IMO, with the number of truck stops nearby...that number should've been much higher, if it wasn't safe that is. lol

I'm not even going to dwell on the fact that it's just off the interstate...which again, should have that number rise as well...but we're still going back years to find anything on the park.

The only thing you see driving in and around are people enjoying the park...the porn is down the street, next to the other truck stop. ;p

Now, don't any of you start telling me that number would be higher if LE in Wisconsin could do their job....:D

Hi JimNikki, it's always good to get local perspective! Thank you for that.

The good things about the park won't make it to the news as much as the bad news.

[Bobbisangel]

With as many people who say this Randy LE should have a real good drawing of him. The husband should be able to help with a good picture. Why won't they release his picture...because he is in AA? If that is the reason then it doesn't make sense. We are talking about a woman's life here. It doesn't seem like anyone knows to much about this man...Randy. That might not even be his real name and he might not even be a recovering alcoholic. Just because he said it doesn't make it so.

I can't even imagine this woman giving Randy a ride to another state. That would just be bizarre. I doubt that she took off with him either. I can't imagine what LE is thinking not to release a sketch of him as a person that they want to talk to.

[Beyond Belief]

a homeless man who claims to be a recovering alcoholic, who was seen hitchhiking near the interstate in DeForest on the day of Tate's disappearance.


Gilmore told 27 News there have been possible sightings of "Randy" and Tate, separately in Minnesota and South Dakota, and Sheriff's investigators are receiving surveillance video from the locations of some of the possible sightings

http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13422

[cheko1]

LE should of released Randy's pix.........since the Tate's were kind enough to let him sleep in there home & she is now missing. He should be happy to help accomodate finding her.

The Tate's paid taxes in Wi which are very expensive. Randy an apparent drifter & he has more rights then the missing lady! Give me a break!!!!

LE is aware the more info that gets out immediately, the sooner they have leads etc etc I sincerely hope they find Francine & she is safe. The longer LE sit on what info they know the less chance she'll be found alive.

The family should take this to the FBI or call in Equi Search. I do not trust LE in Wis.......they are good at handing out speeding tickets but worthless in crime solving. Totally ridiculous to say the least.

[SeriouslySearching]

No sketch out YET?! Maybe we need an artist to go visit with the hubby!! Get our own darn sketch and get it out there!

Saving it back for witnesses is a crock at this point. People NEED to find this guy to find her. Save building the case for after they have him or have her located! Their priorities are screwed up, IMO!

[JimNikki]

a homeless man who claims to be a recovering alcoholic, who was seen hitchhiking near the interstate in DeForest on the day of Tate's disappearance.
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13422

Interesting to note: The truck stop next to the park (near the interstate) has a De Forest mailing address, but I believe the park is in the town of Windsor. As far as I'm aware, the only other area near the interstate is on the opposite side of De Forest...just past a State Patrol HQ, so I'm doubting a drifter would pick that location to hang around while trying to hitch a ride with the State Patrol routinely using the same on/off ramps. The husband did, after all, help "Randy" prepare to hitchhike and surely would've known that.

Not so funny thing is, the public (and maybe LE) has only been told about where Tate was last seen and what a good person she was (which I believe). Despite the fact that the husband knew all of this "Randy" information prior to the public request for help. It wasn't like a couple days later he said "Oh yea, we did let this guy we didn't know spend the night and I helped him get ready to hitch to South Dakota...do you think that might have something to do with it officer?"...that's only my opinion but I think it makes sense.

Next up, the dog he might be traveling with. Was it his dog as in it wasn't their (perhaps her favorite) dog or anything like that? That dog has to go to the bathroom, which would mean more frequent stops...again, if this information was out sooner the odds of noticing a car pulled off on the side of the Interstate would've been increased.

Question: Given the circumstances regarding access to interstate travel from the area and a missing vehicle and including the complete knowledge of the "Randy" chapter...all known from day 1 (at least by the husband), why wasn't this treated as more of an Amber Alert situation than a missing person unless there was a compelling reason not to (and what would that typically be) or LE wasn't told that information?

[JimNikki]

Hi JimNikki, it's always good to get local perspective! Thank you for that.

The good things about the park won't make it to the news as much as the bad news.

Hi Taximom (and jess_j)...I didn't even know that stuff about the park until you guys linked to it. lol

[SeriouslySearching]

Question: Given the circumstances regarding access to interstate travel from the area and a missing vehicle and including the complete knowledge of the "Randy" chapter...all known from day 1 (at least by the husband), why wasn't this treated as more of an Amber Alert situation than a missing person unless there was a compelling reason not to (and what would that typically be) or LE wasn't told that information? Amber Alerts are reserved for children 17 years and younger. The criteria does vary from state to state, but it is exclusive to children only.

http://www.amberalertwisconsin.org/content/criteria.asp
Criteria

Child must be 17 years of age or younger
Child must be in danger of serious bodily harm or death.
Initiating agency must have enough descriptive information about the child, the suspect(s) and/or the suspect vehicle(s) to believe an immediate broadcast alert will help locate the child. (http://www.amberalertwisconsin.org/content/criteria.aspCriteriaChild must be 17 years of age or younger Child must be in danger of serious bodily harm or death. Initiating agency must have enough descriptive information about the child, the suspect(s) and/or the suspect vehicle(s) to believe an immediate broadcast alert will help locate the child.)I believe LE was told about "Randy" immediately. I don't think LE acted on it until they checked out Steve and her immediate family, however.

[cheko1]

Over at Court TV message board it looks like a relative of Francines & a friend is posting. They were told to be careful about what they post. They have not stated who told them that........

Speculation is that her hubby was elusive answering Greta. Which I watched & thought he was too. Rolled his eyes etc....

These people are asking for help........but when help arrives they cover things up. I just don't get it!!!! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Taximom]

The ever-mysterious Randy and her husband are still my top two POI's. Lately I've been suspicious of spouses mostly, so that's what I'm going with here. I don't get all the secrecy!

[jess_j]

here we go...finally some more info....
The male transient previously known only as Randy, has been identified as Randall Kent Gobble, 40, according to a news release.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13747792/detail.html

[JimNikki]

Amber Alerts are reserved for children 17 years and younger. The criteria does vary from state to state, but it is exclusive to children only.

I was kind of referring to the urgency behind an AA situation regarding getting the word out immediately, but do appreciate the links & info. I should've been more clear. Thanks again for the info & reply SS.

[JimNikki]

here we go...finally some more info....
The male transient previously known only as Randy, has been identified as Randall Kent Gobble, 40, according to a news release.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13747792/detail.html

Good find! Also from the article:

"On Tuesday, investigators said they received a tip and believe that Gobble could be in the Milwaukee area."

[jess_j]

Good find! Also from the article:

"On Tuesday, investigators said they received a tip and believe that Gobble could be in the Milwaukee area."

there is also a sketch in the link too! woohoo finally!!

[cheko1]

Here is another link!

Investigators search for person of interest in missing woman case

Authorities have been trying to find the man to talk to him. Today, the Dane County Sheriff's Office identified him as Randall Kent Gobble, a 40-year-old transient.

Investigators had believed Gobble left Madison alone to travel west toward South Dakota. But Sheriff's office spokeswoman Elise Schaffer says credible information received today places Gobble in the Milwaukee area.

She says detectives are working with Milwaukee police and contacting homeless shelters and soup kitchens to try to track him down.

http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6833713 (http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=6833713)

[cheko1]

The ever-mysterious Randy and her husband are still my top two POI's. Lately I've been suspicious of spouses mostly, so that's what I'm going with here. I don't get all the secrecy!


I'm jumping on your band wagon Taxi. I think something is strange way to much secrecy for me.

[KR2tonenow]

A couple of things to mention: Francine was a teacher. Did she receive her Teacher Credentials from the UW? If so, what year was she a student?

Also, it is important to note the the park where she was headed obviously "if there has been noted sex stings, or a murder there" why did she go alone?

To meet Randy? To leave her husband? Or to try and help a homeless man and get herself kidnapped?

They need to keep looking in that park.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...he doesn't look anything like I thought he would from their earlier description! That sketch makes him seem younger than 40, too.

[Beyond Belief]

here we go...finally some more info....
The male transient previously known only as Randy, has been identified as Randall Kent Gobble, 40, according to a news release.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13747792/detail.html




Name:Randall Kent GobbleDate of Birth:29 Sep 1966Gender:Male Birth County:El Paso



US Public RecordsName:Randall K GobbleBirth Date:Sep 1966Street address:1517 Aberdeen St City:Jacksonville County:D Duval State:Florida Zip Code:32205 Record Number:664197430Household Members:function getAge(byr, bmon) { byr=parseInt(byr); if(isNaN(byr)) return ""; var today=new Date(); var yr=today.getFullYear(); var mon=today.getMonth(); var reduce=0; if (null != bmon && bmon.length > 0) { var months = new Array("Jan","Feb","Mar","Apr","May","Jun","Jul","Aug","Sep","Oct","Nov","Dec"); for(i=0;i



Name:Randall K GobbleBirth Date:Sep 1966Street address:817 W Dallas St City:Houston County:Harris State:Texas Zip Code:77019 Phone Number:281Record Number:766472386Household Members:function getAge(byr, bmon) { byr=parseInt(byr); if(isNaN(byr)) return ""; var today=new Date(); var yr=today.getFullYear(); var mon=today.getMonth(); var reduce=0; if (null != bmon && bmon.length > 0) { var months = new Array("Jan","Feb","Mar","Apr","May","Jun","Jul","Aug","Sep","Oct","Nov","Dec"); for(i=0;i

[teacherbonnie]

I think a homeless/transient with a black dog and rolling suitcase would stick out like a sore thumb. Do shelters even allow dogs?

[SeriouslySearching]

Not to my knowledge. Yes, it does seem like he would stick out...but then I don't know anything about the homeless population there.

There was no mention of it, but maybe Steve and Francine gave him some cash to help him on his way. It sounds like something they might do...so he might have enough to get a cheap place for a few nights.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was kind of referring to the urgency behind an AA situation regarding getting the word out immediately, but do appreciate the links & info. I should've been more clear. Thanks again for the info & reply SS.
Oh, sorry, JimNikki. I see what you meant now. LOL

[RPPaolin]

http://www.wfrv.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=e41f7f1e-0a19-4e14-9dad-3e63dbee6fc8

[ihadcabinfever]

http://www.wfrv.com/news/state/story.aspx?content_id=e41f7f1e-0a19-4e14-9dad-3e63dbee6fc8



A Dane County Sheriff's official told 27 News the person-of-interest being sought in the disappearance of Francine Tate of the Town of Windsor is a homeless man who claims to be a recovering alcoholic, who was seen hitchhiking near the interstate in DeForest on the day of Tate's disappearance.

LOL very good.

[Beyond Belief]

This news article came up with a photo of Randy. But its too little to see his face.
http://wkow.madison.com/News/index.php?ID=13445

[concernedperson]

It sounds like she was vulnerable due to depression and it sounds like Kelly Nolan was vulnerable due to alcohol. It also sounds like someone knows how to pick a victim. JMO.

[ihadcabinfever]

Well his dog looks like a Boxer.


http://wkow.madison.com/Images/randysketchandpic.jpg

[Beyond Belief]

This guy didn't imo have anything to do with Kelly Nolan. She was driven by car. This guy was walking.

[teacherbonnie]

OK. A dash cam captures him in the daylight, the same day FT goes missing. FT was at the park in her car when it was close to dark. Is it even logical to think that somehow they ran into eachother? Can someone piece together a timeline that makes sense?

[SeriouslySearching]

This guy didn't imo have anything to do with Kelly Nolan. She was driven by car. This guy was walking.
I agree. He might not have anything to do with Francine's disappearance either. Hard to imagine, but it is possible! I know I immediately suspected him, too...but it may have nothing to do with this guy. Maybe the perp knew it was convenient this guy had stayed there and was leaving their house to go out of state for some reason. He had an automatic scapegoat.

[cheko1]

Maybe he was a liar & had a car hid at the truck stop / used his dog & suitcase on wheels for pity & a hand out. Uses churches & peoples kindness to pay for gas to get him to the next town.

Do we know if FT had much money with her?

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know that they have mentioned that, Cheko. Hmmm...

Check out this fella I found wanted in Michigan. I know it is another sketch, but if he were shorter and had the facial hair...could look a lot like him. Maybe one or the other got the height wrong?

http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1589_31786_31999-124193--,00.html

http://www.channel3000.com/image/13748031/detail.html

[SeriouslySearching]

I found a place in Abingdon, VA with a whole slew of a Gobble family. Here is one obit which mentions a "Randy". There are other obits which mention the Gobble name, too.

It is under Harry Tignor's obit.

http://www.farrisfuneralservice.com/dec06obits.htm

[Beyond Belief]

I found a place in Abingdon, VA with a whole slew of a Gobble family. Here is one obit which mentions a "Randy". There are other obits which mention the Gobble name, too.

It is under Harry Tignor's obit.

http://www.farrisfuneralservice.com/dec06obits.htm

I read the obit.
He was born in El Paso Tx, but I didn't find any in that location. There was a Lori with that last name in Jax.
I also have his parents name and mothers maiden name. But I am not going to put that on here.

[SeriouslySearching]

How do we know he was born in El Paso? I mean..how do we know if it is the same man?

[Beyond Belief]

How do we know he was born in El Paso? I mean..how do we know if it is the same man?

Texas births are online.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, but we only have a name, age, and not a birth date to go on. I mean it could very well be him, but I know there was another girl with my name and age...who grew up less than 20 miles from me. (We finally met in high school. Weird, huh?)

[Beyond Belief]

Hmmm, I don't really think we need anything to go on. A recovering alcoholic is probably collecting SSI. Wouldn't you think they have all the information they need?

[SeriouslySearching]

He would have to have an address or post office box to collect SSI. If he wandered around over several states...I would doubt he had either one. He would stay near to where he could collect his checks.

[Beyond Belief]

He would have to have an address or post office box to collect SSI. If he wandered around over several states...I would doubt he had either one. He would stay near to where he could collect his checks.
Direct deposit is an option. Headed to work, have a good day sleuthing.:)

[cheko1]

If he collects SSD or SSI don't they direct deposit into a bank account?

[SeriouslySearching]

If LE had that kind of information, they would already have found this guy with his records of where he has been or where is now. (If he has been accessing a bank account!)

I don't think the guy has money myself, but I could be wrong.

[dallas24]

Francine Tate has been found alive!!!



http://www.channel3000.com/news/13755416/detail.html

[Taximom]

Well, if she went of her own accord, that might explain the husband's silence.

I'm so glad she's alive!!!

Edited to add: I'm not implying she left on her own, btw.

[CaliKid]

Hmmm, not a whole lot of information on why she disappeared or where she has been for the past 8 days. Unless she was forced to leave against her will, I'd say she has a lot of explaining to do, least of all about why she didn't let her family know she was alright. In any case, I'm glad she was found alive.

[cheko1]

I am very happy she was found alive!

If her hubby knew why she left you'd of thought he'd of told LE.

[cheko1]

I also want to add that if I took off for 8 days & never told a soul where I was headed or going to be. I better stay going down the road. Especially if I just decided to go away for a few days. YIKES!!!

Now if she was forced to leave that would be another story.

[ronniejo]

A 50-year-old woman missing since last week has been found alive and well.

Francine Tate was found alone in her car by law enforcement officials Wednesday, according to Elise Schaffer, a spokeswoman for the Dane County Sheriff's Office.

Schaffer would not say where Tate was found in northern Wisconsin. She said investigators still don't know what prompted Tate to vanish after attending a prayer meeting at her Madison church on July 17.

More
http://www.channel3000.com/news/13755416/detail.html

[ronniejo]

Sorry about the repeat post! I was so excited to hear that she is alive that I didnt notice the other one until I had already posted.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank Goodness! What a lucky woman she is! I know it is a huge relief to everyone who has been looking and so worried.

I hope we hear something soon as to why, but who cares at the moment...she is alive and well! Wonderful news is so rare on here! Yippee!

[Beyond Belief]

God works in mysterious ways................
I am extremely pleased she has been located. She sure had alot of people worried.

[SeriouslySearching]

Tate was located Wednesday by Department of Natural Resources Warden Timothy Price at a boat landing in Phelps, in Vilas County. That's 230 miles north of her home.

But Schaffer said investigators found Gobble in Minnesota on Wednesday and have cleared him of any involvement.

"Our detectives interviewed him and he was cooperative," she said. "We feel like he was not in any way connected to her disappearance."

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8712122.html

[chicoliving]

Wonderful news!

[SeriouslySearching]

Greta's On The Record coming up with more details on Francine Tate in a few!

[englishleigh]

SO happy to hear she is all right. Sounds like she just needed to get away for a few days...or maybe became disoriented or something. It will be interesting to find out. Thank God she is safe and not another sad ending.

[CarpeDiem]

:woohoo: Alive is a wonderful word.

[Armandv101]

It is wonderful to have good news for a change!

[Beyond Belief]

Greta
Brother in law says. Sheriff's office called telling family she was found.
What happened. Can say...Four people went to get her. They are not back yet. Understanding law enforcement found her with her car. Can't guess why she went. Alive and well. In good shape.
Regards Randy: Located in minnesota. Had no knowledge of any of the Francine situation.

So no news shared.

[teacherbonnie]

It's really just close to unbelievable! It's so rare.

Greta(a fill-in, actually)had Dee, BIL, on and he could hardly contain himself with joy. Gave no new info but thanked the media and volunteers.

He will know more tomorrow.

[KR2tonenow]

Where has she been all this time, while the 500 searcher's have been out looking for her??

[Beyond Belief]

They had someone else on and said, they found her sitting in her car by a boat ramp, reading a book. She left town on her own. Terribly inconsiderate, considering all the effort good folks made trying to find her. I think she owes a big apology to lots of folks.

[cheko1]

I can't stress enough how happy I am to hear she is alive & well & will soon be reunited with her family. I'm sure Randy Gobble is also very glad she was found. His face has been on TV & wanted posters hunting for him. Had something happened to her he'd of been probably charged.

It was said over at Crt TV that Fran had planned on a trip (very short term plan) & she was at a Revival. Her hubby had to of known that if LE did.

Watching some of the news casts I seen where her Dad was talking & so excited she was alive & well. Then it hit me.......wow how sad is that to worry your aging parents? What if one of them had a heart attack from the stress of thinking she was abducted? I could never / would never worry my friends or my family like that ever. If my folks were alive NEVER would I do that.

I'm sure she probably had her reasons for leaving as she did. But the money & resources the state spent in trying to find her could of been better spent trying to find Mahalia or Kelly Nolan's killer. This is the 2nd time in recent yrs this has happened to LE in Wi. Totally uncalled for!

[KR2tonenow]

They had someone else on and said, they found her sitting in her car by a boat ramp, reading a book. She left town on her own. Terribly inconsiderate, considering all the effort good folks made trying to find her. I think she owes a big apology to lots of folks.

Although, I am glad we can take her off the "serial killer" list, it concerns me that she was sitting in her car reading book, while alot of concerned citizens, complete strangers were worried about her well being!

[CaliKid]

If Francine Tate is found to have nothing wrong with her, and if she has known for the past week that she was a "missing woman" and LE was looking for her, I hope they turn around and throw the book at her. This country does not need another Audrey Seiler or Jennifer Carol Wilbanks case to waste resources and manpower when there are other, really missing women.

[Taximom]

How was she paying for life away from home? Weren't they tracking her debit/credit cards etc? Had she put money away for this so she wouldn't have to use those? This is nutty.

[KR2tonenow]

How was she paying for life away from home? Weren't they tracking her debit/credit cards etc? Had she put money away for this so she wouldn't have to use those? This is nutty.

;) sure she saved and pulled the wool over everyone's eyes!

[cheko1]

Here is the video of her parents & the searchers in close to 100 degree weather searching the last few days.


video of her parents,
http://wkow.madison.com/ (http://wkow.madison.com/)

[Bobbisangel]

If she just decided to take a little vacation then she should have her rear kicked. She didn't think about how her just leaving like that would affect her family or anyone else. People doing things like this is why you almost have to force LE to look for a missing adult. Everytime it happens LE just becomes more certain that missing adults just made the choice to leave on their own. We know that isn't always true but for those that pull this type of thing it makes it really hard on the familys of REAL missing adults.

I think she should have to pay back every penny spent by LE in searches and everything else that went into looking for her. I'm sure the officers on her case could have spent that time looking for real missing adults, teens, etc and hunting for killers. Shame on her if she just left. Sitting on a dock reading a book :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is the video of her parents & the searchers in close to 100 degree weather searching the last few days.


video of her parents,
http://wkow.madison.com/ (http://wkow.madison.com/)

THIS really gets me! :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

[cheko1]

If she just decided to take a little vacation then she should have her rear kicked. She didn't think about how her just leaving like that would affect her family or anyone else. People doing things like this is why you almost have to force LE to look for a missing adult. Everytime it happens LE just becomes more certain that missing adults just made the choice to leave on their own. We know that isn't always true but for those that pull this type of thing it makes it really hard on the familys of REAL missing adults.

I think she should have to pay back every penny spent by LE in searches and everything else that went into looking for her. I'm sure the officers on her case could have spent that time looking for real missing adults, teens, etc and hunting for killers. Shame on her if she just left. Sitting on a dock reading a book :furious:

I can't imagine taking a little vacation & not telling my family I was leaving.The people searching in 90 to 100 degree temps / high humidity for Wi the last wk. Her folks are elderly ...........not a concern or a care in the world for them.

Even if she were mad at her hubby (????) & left. Most people would call check to see if folks are ok / let the family know she is ok. When the hubby was on Greta he rolled his eyes at a ? she asked him. I thought, what a jerk!

If she loves the water that much maybe they should buy a piece of land where they can vacation at. Would be much cheaper then the fear many women in Wi have dealt with.

Kelly Nolans family would like the killer found. The detectives looking for the killer was most likely taken off that case & had to look for FT. Mahalia's family probably will be told she'll be found like Francine Tate alive & well. Since her car hasn't been found yet. LE got a sour taste & everyone will have to pay dearly for this ladies behavior.

[cheko1]

THIS really gets me! :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

SS it should get everyone mad! I felt so sorry
for them. Total outrage.

[cheko1]

She even seen a poster of herself & never called anyone. Now I'm mad!!!!



Missing woman found

Tate's brother-in-law, Dee Thompson, says Francine was apparently aware people were looking for her but she had no idea the scope of the search.

A missing persons poster with her picture was posted in the local gas station in the isolated area of Vilas County and there was some coverage in a local newspaper which Thompson believes Francine did see.

Still, she apparently decided to remain secluded, living out of her car. Thompson says she was tired and hadn't eaten much when she was found.

http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?o...11E3C9C39AA3A2B (http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=0303DC84-964C-5D3A-111E3C9C39AA3A2B)

[Squishified]

If she just decided to take a little vacation then she should have her rear kicked. She didn't think about how her just leaving like that would affect her family or anyone else. People doing things like this is why you almost have to force LE to look for a missing adult. Everytime it happens LE just becomes more certain that missing adults just made the choice to leave on their own. We know that isn't always true but for those that pull this type of thing it makes it really hard on the familys of REAL missing adults.

I think she should have to pay back every penny spent by LE in searches and everything else that went into looking for her. I'm sure the officers on her case could have spent that time looking for real missing adults, teens, etc and hunting for killers. Shame on her if she just left. Sitting on a dock reading a book :furious:

Hi,
Morally, I agree with you, but legally I don't think she can be charged with anything. She was an adult and if she wanted to "disappear" she could.
However, it was a horrible thing to do to her family. Maybe she can be sued in civil court for some of the expenses she caused with everyone looking for her.

[SeriouslySearching]

Some Christian SHE is! I thought morals were supposed to be part of living that life and walking that walk. To let her family, especially those elderly parents, and friends worry themselves sick with her supposed disappearance and knowing they were searching for her...tells me she is nothing more than a selfish, spoiled, inconsiderate person with NO moral compass or conscience. This whole "Christian" life thing has been a sham with her as far as I am concerned. There is absolutely nothing Christian in putting your family and friends thru hell to go on "vacation" or to "get away". What a crock!!! I bet she is still spewing her "poor me" BS and the attention was all she wanted in the first place. Well, she certainly got it!

Now, she needs to call Mahalia's family and Kelly's family with apologies for taking away precious time, resources, detectives, and possibly costing Mahalia her very life while they were busy looking for her. The next missing woman's family will deserve a phone call, too...since LE will automatically go back to their "Audrey Seiler/Francine Tate Attitudes" of why bother looking because she probably ran away which could cost another life.

Found casually reading a book by the nice water's edge?!?! I hope they MAKE her watch the video of her poor parents and friends out in the heat. I hope they make her read everything everyone has done in hopes of finding her alive.

[Taximom]

What were her meds for, does anyone know? I thought I remember hearing she left behind medications that she needed.

I have to say that if she has some mental disorder and went off her meds that Christianity really has nothing to do with that. (Not excusing her actions though, just saying.)

[cheko1]

Some Christian SHE is! I thought morals were supposed to be part of living that life and walking that walk. To let her family, especially those elderly parents, and friends worry themselves sick with her supposed disappearance and knowing they were searching for her...tells me she is nothing more than a selfish, spoiled, inconsiderate person with NO moral compass or conscience. This whole "Christian" life thing has been a sham with her as far as I am concerned. There is absolutely nothing Christian in putting your family and friends thru hell to go on "vacation" or to "get away". What a crock!!! I bet she is still spewing her "poor me" BS and the attention was all she wanted in the first place. Well, she certainly got it!

Now, she needs to call Mahalia's family and Kelly's family with apologies for taking away precious time, resources, detectives, and possibly costing Mahalia her very life while they were busy looking for her. The next missing woman's family will deserve a phone call, too...since LE will automatically go back to their "Audrey Seiler/Francine Tate Attitudes" of why bother looking because she probably ran away which could cost another life.

Found casually reading a book by the nice water's edge?!?! I hope they MAKE her watch the video of her poor parents and friends out in the heat. I hope they make her read everything everyone has done in hopes of finding her alive.


:clap: :clap: :clap:

Glad you finally gave your opinion SS I've been waiting for it!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap:

[englishleigh]

If Francine Tate is found to have nothing wrong with her, and if she has known for the past week that she was a "missing woman" and LE was looking for her, I hope they turn around and throw the book at her. This country does not need another Audrey Seiler or Jennifer Carol Wilbanks case to waste resources and manpower when there are other, really missing women.

I totally agree with this!! If this was just a getaway to her and she was aware she was being searched for, she is unbelievably selfish and is another Runaway Bride for sure. :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL I told you it would come!! I just couldn't hold back any more!!! Seeing her parents out in the heat just got my blood boiling over this one!! Grrrr!

[cheko1]

What were her meds for, does anyone know? I thought I remember hearing she left behind medications that she needed.

I have to say that if she has some mental disorder and went off her meds that Christianity really has nothing to do with that. (Not excusing her actions though, just saying.)


It was never stated Taximom!
Also they never said if she took her purse,
money, CC, or had a cell phone.

I'm certainly not trying to be mean or uncaring, far from it
/ in regards to her being found alive & well. Thank goodness!

Why in the world if someone seen a wanted poster of themselves in a gas station with there very own picture on it / why would you not call home? Call the Minister? CALL YOUR MOM & DAD???

This woman is a teacher for cripes sake.....she teaches a kindergarten class. People trust FT to teach the kids / if she has a job left after this would anyone want her to teach there kids????

Can you imagine some of her students reactions? Knowing Mrs Tate was missing & feared dead? Did she CARE?????? NO!!!!

[Taximom]

It was never stated Taximom!
Also they never said if she took her purse,
money, CC, or had a cell phone.

I'm certainly not trying to be mean or uncaring, far from it
/ in regards to her being found alive & well. Thank goodness!

Why in the world if someone seen a wanted poster of themselves in a gas station with there very own picture on it / why would you not call home? Call the Minister? CALL YOUR MOM & DAD???

This woman is a teacher for cripes sake.....she teaches a kindergarten class. People trust FT to teach the kids / if she has a job left after this would anyone want her to teach there kids????

Can you imagine some of her students reactions? Knowing Mrs Tate was missing & feared dead? Did she CARE?????? NO!!!!

I don't think you are uncaring at all! I'm upset with her too! I feel like she even wasted MY time and sympathy, so I can't even imagine how those closer to her must feel. :furious: Let alone those that truly have missing or murdered relatives that need all the LE they can get. Charge her and fine her for the lost time and taxpayer's money. I know I'm not spending any more time on her here! lol

[SeriouslySearching]

Willing betrayal is a difficult thing to overcome.

[cheko1]

I don't think you are uncaring at all! I'm upset with her too! I feel like she even wasted MY time and sympathy, so I can't even imagine how those closer to her must feel. :furious: Let alone those that truly have missing or murdered relatives that need all the LE they can get. Charge her and fine her for the lost time and taxpayer's money. I know I'm not spending any more time on her here! lol

Me either Taximom! :blowkiss:

[KR2tonenow]

She even seen a poster of herself & never called anyone. Now I'm mad!!!!



Missing woman found

Tate's brother-in-law, Dee Thompson, says Francine was apparently aware people were looking for her but she had no idea the scope of the search.

A missing persons poster with her picture was posted in the local gas station in the isolated area of Vilas County and there was some coverage in a local newspaper which Thompson believes Francine did see.

Still, she apparently decided to remain secluded, living out of her car. Thompson says she was tired and hadn't eaten much when she was found.

http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?o...11E3C9C39AA3A2B (http://www.wrn.com/gestalt/go.cfm?objectid=0303DC84-964C-5D3A-111E3C9C39AA3A2B)

Maybe she was too busy being "holed up" with her boyfriend!

[cheko1]

Raw Video of the DNR Warden who found her! She was well aware of the effort to find her.......

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8729422.html (http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/8729422.html)

[KR2tonenow]

She needs to be in a mental hospital not with her husband!

[CaliKid]

Her behavior is shameful. Once her family gets over their relief at her being found, I don't know how they'll ever trust her again. And a kindergarten teacher in a private Christian school? I'd bet she can kiss her job goodbye too. If I were a parent of a child in her class, I'd want my little darling moved. She isn't safe to be around.

[SeriouslySearching]

I totally agree! She desperately needs an evaluation and probably some extended counseling AWAY from the church and those peers. People can become too involved in their "spiritual" quest. She mentioned to the man who found her she was "looking for God or something", but she simply wanted to run away. Nonchalantly! Like she had not a care in the world other than herself!

She also said she was worried about people in a small town recognizing her and she had gotten a couple of job applications to fill out to 'start her life over'. Missed opportunities or doors being opened...spewing some garbage like that.

She KNEW exactly what she was doing and did not CARE! She knew people were frantically searching. SHE KNEW IT ALL!
WHAT A B*%$&!!!!!

Well, Francine...let me tell you something!!! You are a phony, a fake, and a fraud! You don't need to find God, Honey!! You need to find a conscience and a soul first!!! I hope you will find yourself on the other end of divorce proceedings...because he needs to find a wife he can trust and move on!! You also need to find yourself paying for every cent spent on you since the day you decided to selfishly take off!!

[BethInAK]

What were her meds for, does anyone know? I thought I remember hearing she left behind medications that she needed.

I have to say that if she has some mental disorder and went off her meds that Christianity really has nothing to do with that. (Not excusing her actions though, just saying.)

Mental health issues could explain (and excuse imo) her behavior. Perhaps the book she was reading was the bible.

I have trouble imagining a regular middle class person choosing to live in their car in this heat just to 'take a vacation', you know?

[KR2tonenow]

I totally agree! She desperately needs an evaluation and probably some extended counseling AWAY from the church and those peers. People can become too involved in their "spiritual" quest. She mentioned to the man who found her she was "looking for God or something", but she simply wanted to run away. Nonchalantly! Like she had not a care in the world other than herself!

She also said she was worried about people in a small town recognizing her and she had gotten a couple of job applications to fill out to 'start her life over'. Missed opportunities or doors being opened...spewing some garbage like that.

She KNEW exactly what she was doing and did not CARE! She knew people were frantically searching. SHE KNEW IT ALL!
WHAT A B*%$&!!!!!

Well, Francine...let me tell you something!!! You are a phony, a fake, and a fraud! You don't need to find God, Honey!! You need to find a conscience and a soul first!!! I hope you will find yourself on the other end of divorce proceedings...because he needs to find a wife he can trust and move on!! You also need to find yourself paying for every cent spent on you since the day you decided to selfishly take off!!


Now we can see why you waited (hehehe)...

If she is mentally disturbed and I think she is, she should have been in 24 hour observation in a Mental Hospital. Not taken back to her husband, who quite obviously she was "running" from!

[cheko1]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


She KNEW exactly what she was doing and did not CARE! She knew people were frantically searching. SHE KNEW IT ALL!
WHAT A B*%$&!!!!!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Well, Francine...let me tell you something!!! You are a phony, a fake, and a fraud! You don't need to find God, Honey!! You need to find a conscience and a soul first!!! I hope you will find yourself on the other end of divorce proceedings...because he needs to find a wife he can trust and move on!! You also need to find yourself paying for every cent spent on you since the day you decided to selfishly take off!!



SS I am NO Longer worried about you!!!! I was waiting for that!!!! LOL

[cheko1]

Now we can see why you waited (hehehe)...

If she is mentally disturbed and I think she is, she should have been in 24 hour observation in a Mental Hospital. Not taken back to her husband, who quite obviously she was "running" from!

I don't think she was mentally nothing. Probably just another woman going thru her change of life! Feeling unloved, unwanted, uncared for......

Her husband was very obviously bored out of his mind on Greta. The way he rolled his eyes...I thought he was a fake & a phony also! JMHO He certainly never acted like he really cared if she came back or not.

They need to get a divorce & quit creating drama for the entire world to pity them both! :furious: :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL Yes, hearing what all she told that man who found her really boiled my blood right over the edge!!! Worse than seeing her poor parents out searching in the heat did!

The book she was reading wasn't the Bible...she told the man who found her it was about a "family and a horse or something". Doesn't sound overly religious to me.

She was an outdoorsy type person to begin with. Lots of her pics showed her out biking, hiking, etc. She was sitting on a neatly folded blanket with her gatorade in the water keeping it cool while snacking. She had even been washing her car with a jug to "keep the dust off". I bet we find she had a room somewhere in town or near there.

I agree...she isn't mentally anything. She does need to come to terms with her narcissitic behavior now tho...because it has hurt other people. She is perfectly fine other than that!

Definition: The term narcissism means love of oneself, and refers to the set of character traits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_trait) concerned with self-admiration, self-centeredness and self-regard. The name was chosen by Sigmund Freud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud), from the Greek myth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology) of Narcissus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_%28mythology%29), who was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_%28psychology%29

Funny...it is rather what she was doing, IMO. Falling in love with her own reflection in a pool of water. The epitome of the word!

[cheko1]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: You just crack me up!!!! LOL
Thats the reason I posted it!!!!! I was nice & TRIED to keep quiet!!! LOL Guess she still never wanted to go home.....hubby should of did himself a favor & left her up with the bears!!!

LOL Yes, hearing what all she told that man who found her really boiled my blood right over the edge!!! Worse than seeing her poor parents out searching in the heat did!

The book she was reading wasn't the Bible...she told the man who found her it was about a "family and a horse or something". Doesn't sound overly religious to me.

She was an outdoorsy type person to begin with. Lots of her pics showed her out biking, hiking, etc. She was sitting on a neatly folded blanket with her gaterade in the water keeping it cool while snacking. She had even been washing her car with a jug to "keep the dust off". I bet we find she had a room somewhere in town or near there.

I agree...she isn't mentally anything. She does need to come to terms with her narcissitic behavior now tho...because it has hurt other people. She is perfectly fine other than that!

Definition: The term narcissism means love of oneself, and refers to the set of character traits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Character_trait) concerned with self-admiration, self-centeredness and self-regard. The name was chosen by Sigmund Freud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud), from the Greek myth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology) of Narcissus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_%28mythology%29), who was doomed to fall in love with his own reflection in a pool of water.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism_%28psychology%29

Funny...it is rather what she was doing, IMO. Falling in love with her own reflection in a pool of water. The epitome of the word!

[Beyond Belief]

Since none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors, I am not going to sit in judgement of Francine. Many factors play with the emotions of a woman of 50. Especially menapause. Causing all the problems with being out of touch with her family is a big OMG. But if this is depression, I am glad she choose to wander rather than suicide. Like I said, we just don't know what caused her to go "into the wilderness" on her own. Perhaps seeing Randy and others, happy to be vagabonds, gave her the idea.

Anyway, I glad this is resolved, along with Mahalia which makes me very sad.

[concernedperson]

Since none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors, I am not going to sit in judgement of Francine. Many factors play with the emotions of a woman of 50. Especially menapause. Causing all the problems with being out of touch with her family is a big OMG. But if this is depression, I am glad she choose to wander rather than suicide. Like I said, we just don't know what caused her to go "into the wilderness" on her own. Perhaps seeing Randy and others, happy to be vagabonds, gave her the idea.

Anyway, I glad this is resolved, along with Mahalia which makes me very sad.

It sounds like she was very depressed and reading about her husband makes me depressed. Maybe a divorce is in order and new footing? In any event it sounds like she took a break. Others were jumping the bandwagon...maybe?

[Taximom]

It sounds like she was very depressed and reading about her husband makes me depressed. Maybe a divorce is in order and new footing? In any event it sounds like she took a break. Others were jumping the bandwagon...maybe?


I'm not making any excuses for her, but I can say that if you are a so-called well-respected member of your church it's more difficult to make life changing decisions like divorce etc that aren't generally accepted well by "the church". (Not that I know what her issues are, just saying.)

[SeriouslySearching]

When you "take a break" due to depression or whatever the reasons are...you still can be considerate enough to let someone you love (her parents if not hubby) know you will be gone a few days and leave it at that with the promise to call to check in so not to worry others. It is the right thing to do. If you leave then find they are looking, worried, and at their wits end...you call. Again, it is the right and kindest thing to do. If you know you are breaking people's hearts and you still have no intention of contacting them...you aren't depressed...you are sadistic and cruel.

[Taximom]

When you "take a break" due to depression or whatever the reasons are...you still can be considerate enough to let someone you love (her parents if not hubby) know you will be gone a few days and leave it at that with the promise to call to check in so not to worry others. It is the right thing to do. If you leave then find they are looking, worried, and at their wits end...you call. Again, it is the right and kindest thing to do. If you know you are breaking people's hearts and you still have no intention of contacting them...you aren't depressed...you are sadistic and cruel.

This is true.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK...I think I have it out of my system now. <sigh> Thanks, Cheko!

[Beyond Belief]

Lol, Makes you mad doesn't it! Well, I did some reading, should say more reading on depression and came across this type. I knew about this, but didn't know it had a name.
Sort of interesting.
Seasonal affective disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasonal_affective_disorder

[cheko1]

OK...I think I have it out of my system now. <sigh> Thanks, Cheko!


I'm glad you do because I don't!!!!!!

I see it as the cruelest, meanest, hateful thing a human can do to aging parents. I cried watching the hell her folks went thru. I don't even know the people & I cared more for them then she did.

Sorry SS I'd like to _itch slap her for putting them sweet people thru the torture they endured. She knew by the poster what was going on at home / she isn't ignorant. Depressed or not is NO REASON to be that cruel to her folks!

She hates her hubby fine get rid of him! But you don't treat your folks with that type of disrespect.....NEVER!!! I am a couple yrs older then FT & I'd give anything in the world to have my folks back for 5 minutes!

It totally sickens me what she did to them sweet old people! I can never understand why or what made her inflict that type of abuse on them.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think today just made me mentally tired with her and then Mahalia being found. I will probably get steamed again tomorrow when I read this thread over.

In the meantime, I do agree with everything you said! So DITTO, CHEKO!!

By the way, we should really sic Nancy Grace on Francine for an interview. Can you even IMAGINE what that would be like?! LMAO

[CaliKid]

SS, I agree. There has just been too much crap going on in the world today. It tuckers the body out.

[cheko1]

I think today just made me mentally tired with her and then Mahalia being found. I will probably get steamed again tomorrow when I read this thread over.

In the meantime, I do agree with everything you said! So DITTO, CHEKO!!

By the way, we should really sic Nancy Grace on Francine for an interview. Can you even IMAGINE what that would be like?! LMAO


SS I'm going to write to Nancy Grace. LOL Wow that would be the best interview ever.

[cheko1]

SS, I agree. There has just been too much crap going on in the world today. It tuckers the body out.

With you on that Cali!!!!!! :doh:

[ronniejo]

I totally agree! She desperately needs an evaluation and probably some extended counseling AWAY from the church and those peers. People can become too involved in their "spiritual" quest. She mentioned to the man who found her she was "looking for God or something", but she simply wanted to run away. Nonchalantly! Like she had not a care in the world other than herself!


If she was looking for God she should have visited a prison. Alot of people seem to find him in there.

[kato]

If she was looking for God she should have visited a prison. Alot of people seem to find him in there.

LOL Good one.

[Trino]

I don't think you are uncaring at all! I'm upset with her too! I feel like she even wasted MY time and sympathy, so I can't even imagine how those closer to her must feel. :furious: Let alone those that truly have missing or murdered relatives that need all the LE they can get. Charge her and fine her for the lost time and taxpayer's money. I know I'm not spending any more time on her here! lol

Checko, this becomes "Big Brother is watching you."

I agree that Francis is a scumball for doing this, but adults can disappear any time they wish w/o telling anyone. Francis did not deceive anyone; she just left. I certainly wouldn't want society to tell me that I had to make certain my every move was known or face charges.

While it's too bad that taxpayer's money was wasted on Francis, the amount of money spent on her is miniscul when compared to various other ways taxpayer's money is spent. How about the $3 million wasted on 4,000 beds after Katrina or the lucrative contracts in Iraq?

[cheko1]

Checko, this becomes "Big Brother is watching you."

I agree that Francis is a scumball for doing this, but adults can disappear any time they wish w/o telling anyone. Francis did not deceive anyone; she just left. I certainly wouldn't want society to tell me that I had to make certain my every move was known or face charges.

While it's too bad that taxpayer's money was wasted on Francis, the amount of money spent on her is miniscul when compared to various other ways taxpayer's money is spent. How about the $3 million wasted on 4,000 beds after Katrina or the lucrative contracts in Iraq?

Gosh I agree with you. She is an adult & can come & go as she pleases. Apparently her hubby & family simply over reacted to her not coming home after the prayer meeting. She did something out of the norm & they flew off the handle. They all over reacted & now she looks like the mentally unstable person her hubby wanted everyone to think she was. ( possibly she was contemplating a divorce) He never wanted it!!! He has her where he wanted her in the 1st place. JMHO Looking like a deranged inbecile to the world!

Reading news articles I am sure she did / does have issues. I honestly think her hubby knew she went to get away. To think things out & it pi$$ed him off. He was & did show her she wasn't going to walk away that easily. She had clothes / blankets/ cell phone / purse / CC/ checks & cash with her. I read in a news article she wouldn't turn her cell phone on because she knew LE could / would find her.

Anyone who is able to go to the library read news articles about themselves / everyone you love searching for you / knowing full well everyone is worried sick about you. She collected applications for jobs ( couldn't fill them out because of her name) was a woman with a plan.....

She was found & LE made her go back home! Proabably the last place on the planet the lady wanted to go.Now she will be made to stand on her own 2 feet & decide what she wants to do in life. Her hubby did get what he wanted she looks deranged & totally a mental cripple.

She was & is inconsiderate to her elderly parents & for that there is no excuse. Tell the folks I'll be in touch / I gotta leave for a few days or wks.

[Armandv101]

If someone knew the authorities were looking for him/her as a missing person and didn't come forward, he/she then could be held liable for the expenses needlessly expended.

[cheko1]

If someone knew the authorities were looking for him/her as a missing person and didn't come forward, he/she then could be held liable for the expenses needlessly expended.


It sounds like the state is contemplating recouping some of the losses.

I wish the DNR agent would get the reward for finding her. Apparently the family will not have to pay it since he was on duty. The family still needs to donate the money to him he earned it & could use it.

[SeriouslySearching]

It sounds like the state is contemplating recouping some of the losses.

I wish the DNR agent would get the reward for finding her. Apparently the family will not have to pay it since he was on duty. The family still needs to donate the money to him he earned it & could use it.
He does deserve it. His information brought her home alive. If he had not acted on his gut feeling, she would still be out there and more money would have been spent looking for her. He should be eligible to collect the reward. He isn't part of LE so why wouldn't be able to collect on duty or not?

[SeriouslySearching]

If someone knew the authorities were looking for him/her as a missing person and didn't come forward, he/she then could be held liable for the expenses needlessly expended.
I totally agree! I think the family/friends/LE should be able to sue the person that simply walks away, too...for pain & suffering. Then they can leave because there is nothing left to tie them down. : )

[Glow]

Since none of us knows what goes on behind closed doors, I am not going to sit in judgement of Francine. Many factors play with the emotions of a woman of 50. Especially menapause.



I agree with you. Of course she could have handled it differently but the way she handled it leaves a lot of unknowns for those of us just reading about it.

Her husband doesn't automatically look like a "good" guy to me just because she left the way she did. Same for her parents. It was sad to see them searching without knowing where she was, but again, that in itself does not make them wonderful people. Being elderly doesn't imbue them with nice- ness either. Maybe they are wonderful caring older parents. Or perhaps they are shrewish, have minds like concrete and lay a lot of guilt tripping on their adult children. I have more than one friend that is going through that right now with elderly parents. It is a common story.

I find what Francine did appalling but I have had days where I also find it appealing. I wish I could meet her, interview her and write her story. I keep wondering what she would offer up if she would speak honestly and from her heart.

[cheko1]

He does deserve it. His information brought her home alive. If he had not acted on his gut feeling, she would still be out there and more money would have been spent looking for her. He should be eligible to collect the reward. He isn't part of LE so why wouldn't be able to collect on duty or not?

He is apart of LE he is DNR Dept of Natural Resources. Works for the govt / he can issue tickets & such the same as LE.

I'm off for the weekend....will be back Sun have a nice / safe weekend.
I'm running away with 2 grandkids! LOL

[Beyond Belief]

[quote=Glow;1600947]I agree with you. Of course she could have handled it differently but the way she handled it leaves a lot of unknowns for those of us just reading about it.

Her husband doesn't automatically look like a "good" guy to me just because she left the way she did. Same for her parents. It was sad to see them searching without knowing where she was, but again, that in itself does not make them wonderful people. Being elderly doesn't imbue them with nice- ness either. Maybe they are wonderful caring older parents. Or perhaps they are shrewish, have minds like concrete and lay a lot of guilt tripping on their adult children. I have more than one friend that is going through that right now with elderly parents. It is a common story.

I find what Francine did appalling but I have had days where I also find it appealing. I wish I could meet her, interview her and write her story. I keep wondering what she would offer up if she would speak honestly and from her heart.[/quote\

The whole thing has me wondering if my community, family, friends would go to the lengths hers did. It makes you wonder...............

[CaliKid]

Checko, this becomes "Big Brother is watching you."

I agree that Francis is a scumball for doing this, but adults can disappear any time they wish w/o telling anyone. Francis did not deceive anyone; she just left. I certainly wouldn't want society to tell me that I had to make certain my every move was known or face charges.

While it's too bad that taxpayer's money was wasted on Francis, the amount of money spent on her is miniscul when compared to various other ways taxpayer's money is spent. How about the $3 million wasted on 4,000 beds after Katrina or the lucrative contracts in Iraq?

All it would've taken was a simple telephone call, either to family or LE. "I'm alright, safe and well, suffering no harm, needed to get away."

[Armandv101]

All it would've taken was a simple telephone call, either to family or LE. &quot;I'm alright, safe and well, suffering no harm, needed to get away.&quot;

Definitely a lack of consideration, to say the least!

[kgeaux]

I'm glad you do because I don't!!!!!!

I see it as the cruelest, meanest, hateful thing a human can do to aging parents. I cried watching the hell her folks went thru. I don't even know the people & I cared more for them then she did.

Sorry SS I'd like to _itch slap her for putting them sweet people thru the torture they endured. She knew by the poster what was going on at home / she isn't ignorant. Depressed or not is NO REASON to be that cruel to her folks!

She hates her hubby fine get rid of him! But you don't treat your folks with that type of disrespect.....NEVER!!! I am a couple yrs older then FT & I'd give anything in the world to have my folks back for 5 minutes!

It totally sickens me what she did to them sweet old people! I can never understand why or what made her inflict that type of abuse on them.

I've got to agree with you. Here's a little quote from an article entitled "Husband Says Missing Woman Struggling, Embarrassed" http://www.channel3000.com/news/13764879/detail.html:

Authorities said Tate purposely turned off her cell phone and didn't use credit cards. Price said that Tate told him she was thinking of "starting over" somewhere else.


and: Officials said that at some point Francine Tate did see articles and fliers on her disappearance but that it's unclear why she didn't call at that point.

Francine Tate's husband said that she is bothered by all the time and energy spent on her, WISC-TV reported.

It seems clear that Ms. Francine has some 'splaining to do. To PURPOSEFULLY turn off her cell phone, to PURPOSEFULLY decide not to use her debit/credit cards, those are NOT the actions of a mentally ill person. Rather, I think she PURPOSEFULLY DECIDED TO DISAPPEAR AND START OVER, just like she told her "rescuer." She purposefully decided not to call her husband, parents or even LE even though she KNEW "time and energy" were being spent on her.

I don't care what her "issues" are. She needs to be prosecuted----to deliberately allow resources to be used looking for her big butt while those resources would have been better spent looking for MAHALIA, who really DID have something horrible happen to her and was waiting to be found. But no, resources had to go toward Francine's deliberate disappearance! And she's embarrased??? Well, Ms. Francine, that goes with the territory. When you deliberately make people think something horrible has happened to you, you have got to know that resources WILL be used to look for you. And if you are coldhearted enough to follow through with that little plan, YOU SHOULD BE EMBARRASED.

[kgeaux]

I agree with you. Of course she could have handled it differently but the way she handled it leaves a lot of unknowns for those of us just reading about it.

Her husband doesn't automatically look like a "good" guy to me just because she left the way she did. Same for her parents. It was sad to see them searching without knowing where she was, but again, that in itself does not make them wonderful people. Being elderly doesn't imbue them with nice- ness either. Maybe they are wonderful caring older parents. Or perhaps they are shrewish, have minds like concrete and lay a lot of guilt tripping on their adult children. I have more than one friend that is going through that right now with elderly parents. It is a common story.

I find what Francine did appalling but I have had days where I also find it appealing. I wish I could meet her, interview her and write her story. I keep wondering what she would offer up if she would speak honestly and from her heart.


If you ever decide to act on your wishes on one of those days when disappearing sounds appealing, I know you would call LE to let them know immediately that you are ok!! A person who wants or needs to disappear could even go to the LE in any place on the face of the earth and THEY would call and let the local LE not to waste resources!

Even if her parents are the devil incarnate, even if her husband is Captain Bluebeard, Francine could have put a stop to this early on. But she chose not to.

[SeriouslySearching]

He is apart of LE he is DNR Dept of Natural Resources. Works for the govt / he can issue tickets & such the same as LE.

I'm off for the weekend....will be back Sun have a nice / safe weekend.
I'm running away with 2 grandkids! LOL

Ah, OK...I guess you are right on the guy working for the Govt. Too bad.

Whew! Thank GOD ya told someone! LOL I would have had the National Guard out to find you. hehehe

Enjoy the grands! Woohoo!

[ronniejo]

I dont blame anyone for feeling Mad, Furious, Lied to, Hurt and on and on about what Francine did ! Ive struggled with some of those feelings myself! It just seems so simple to any one of us that she could have picked up the phone and just let someone know she was ok. But I think its safe to assume that none of us here have been in the mental state she was in. And whatever the situation was that lead to it. It sounds like she has quite a combination of things going on in her life that may very well have pushed her over a edge. Religion, turning 50, Depression...and probably struggling with getting help because professionals shouldnt have those problems. I dont know for sure! But am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now and believe that she did not do this maliciously. I am hoping once she gets her life together she will share her experience so that we can better understand why she did it. And maybe help others to recognize when they are going over the edge and how to get help.

[SeriouslySearching]

If I had seen any sign of remorse immediately upon her being found, heard that she showed signs of any mental distress or illness, or even for a few seconds...felt she had regrets other than being caught...then maybe I would feel differently. She didn't exhibit any signs of a depressed, menopausal, confused, or tortured soul. Religion doesn't factor in for me either as a Christian wouldn't lie and be deliberately deceitful...giving her maiden name, for instance. Besides, going through a religious tribulation doesn't usually include changing your name and walking away from your life.

I see no real problems here other than maybe BB was right in saying she wanted to do the 'vagabond' lifestyle like poor Randy. Throw away your family, your friends, and your old life...to have new, adventurous, and exciting one. She was just bored.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for her when there is no reason to. I simply can't find a good enough reason.

[ronniejo]

If I had seen any sign of remorse immediately upon her being found, heard that she showed signs of any mental distress or illness, or even for a few seconds...felt she had regrets other than being caught...then maybe I would feel differently. She didn't exhibit any signs of a depressed, menopausal, confused, or tortured soul. Religion doesn't factor in for me either as a Christian wouldn't lie and be deliberately deceitful...giving her maiden name, for instance. Besides, going through a religious tribulation doesn't usually include changing your name and walking away from your life.

I see no real problems here other than maybe BB was right in saying she wanted to do the 'vagabond' lifestyle like poor Randy. Throw away your family, your friends, and your old life...to have new, adventurous, and exciting one. She was just bored.

I have a hard time feeling sorry for her when there is no reason to. I simply can't find a good enough reason.

Since I am a fairly new poster (almost to 100 posts though!) :clap:
I want to make sure that everyone knows how to take me. Especially before I comment on that topic that can be so touchy and taken personaly. "Religion" :eek:
I've been reading at Websleuths for a long time because I enjoy hearing the variety of thoughts that people have! But Im not as good at expressing my own.
So please don't ever take me wrong if something doesn't come out right!
I am very open minded and think that everyone having thier own opinion makes things more interesting!

Okay...that being said. I need to run off and get my laundry started. I have some thoughts on this that I will try and stop back and post in a bit.

[kgeaux]

I dont blame anyone for feeling Mad, Furious, Lied to, Hurt and on and on about what Francine did ! Ive struggled with some of those feelings myself! It just seems so simple to any one of us that she could have picked up the phone and just let someone know she was ok. But I think its safe to assume that none of us here have been in the mental state she was in. And whatever the situation was that lead to it. It sounds like she has quite a combination of things going on in her life that may very well have pushed her over a edge. Religion, turning 50, Depression...and probably struggling with getting help because professionals shouldnt have those problems. I dont know for sure! But am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now and believe that she did not do this maliciously. I am hoping once she gets her life together she will share her experience so that we can better understand why she did it. And maybe help others to recognize when they are going over the edge and how to get help.

Ronnie, I understand what you are saying, I really do.

But she was calm and able to clearly and succiently describe to the man who found her exactly what steps she had taken to disappear and to stay disappeared. This woman had picked up job applications!

She obviously was "precept upon precept" taking deliberate steps to start a new life.

She saw missing flyers of herself and made a decision not to call in and report herself as being safe.

More importantly, she was aware of Mahalia's disappearance and would have known the amount of resources that would be completely WASTED on her "disappearance." She was (and this is just my opinion) so self-absorbed that she didn't even care that she was wasting those resources, stealing them, as it were, from Mahalia's investigation.

I wish I could give her the benefit of the doubt. But I am noticing something in these "disappeared on purpose, caused a big-azz ruckus" disappearances................all of these people think of nobody but themselves. They are all narcissistic.

I'm 50, very religious, suffer from major depressive disorder, AND have 4 adult sons with their various struggles,a 16 year old who has had quite a bumpy mental ride this last year up to and including hospitalization, a husband who works away from home three weeks out of every month, etc. etc. etc. NONE of that would be an excuse or reason to "take a little time for myself" and burn precious LE resources that rightly should have been aimed in another direction.

[kgeaux]

Since I am a fairly new poster (almost to 100 posts though!) :clap:
I want to make sure that everyone knows how to take me. Especially before I comment on that topic that can be so touchy and taken personaly. "Religion" :eek:
I've been reading at Websleuths for a long time because I enjoy hearing the variety of thoughts that people have! But Im not as good at expressing my own.
So please don't ever take me wrong if something doesn't come out right!
I am very open minded and think that everyone having thier own opinion makes things more interesting!

Okay...that being said. I need to run off and get my laundry started. I have some thoughts on this that I will try and stop back and post in a bit.

You express yourself very well, RonnieJo, and you are obviously a very compassionate person. Welcome to the discussion!

[Trino]

I'm 50, very religious, suffer from major depressive disorder, AND have 4 adult sons with their various struggles,a 16 year old who has had quite a bumpy mental ride this last year up to and including hospitalization, a husband who works away from home three weeks out of every month, etc. etc. etc. NONE of that would be an excuse or reason to "take a little time for myself" and burn precious LE resources that rightly should have been aimed in another direction.

I'm sure many of us have thought about running away, but then reality sets in. I wonder what her reactions were toward her family upon her return. Was she sorry, or was it more like, "Just leave me alone."

[Glow]

I dont blame anyone for feeling Mad, Furious, Lied to, Hurt and on and on about what Francine did ! Ive struggled with some of those feelings myself! It just seems so simple to any one of us that she could have picked up the phone and just let someone know she was ok. But I think its safe to assume that none of us here have been in the mental state she was in. And whatever the situation was that lead to it. It sounds like she has quite a combination of things going on in her life that may very well have pushed her over a edge. Religion, turning 50, Depression...and probably struggling with getting help because professionals shouldnt have those problems. I dont know for sure! But am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt for now and believe that she did not do this maliciously. I am hoping once she gets her life together she will share her experience so that we can better understand why she did it. And maybe help others to recognize when they are going over the edge and how to get help.


I appreciate your views ronniejo and I agree. I think that since all of us here post at a message board about missing people we are more aware of the protocols involved when someone goes missing than the average person is. I would suspect that having an internal "crisis" would by its very nature involve an amount of self centeredness that may not be a persons normal way of being, thinking and reacting. Whether one or both of these played a role in Francine's thinking would be interesting to know. Since this story has left the news I am not sure we will hear anymore about it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Since I am a fairly new poster (almost to 100 posts though!) :clap:
I want to make sure that everyone knows how to take me. Especially before I comment on that topic that can be so touchy and taken personaly. "Religion" :eek:
I've been reading at Websleuths for a long time because I enjoy hearing the variety of thoughts that people have! But Im not as good at expressing my own.
So please don't ever take me wrong if something doesn't come out right!
I am very open minded and think that everyone having thier own opinion makes things more interesting!

Okay...that being said. I need to run off and get my laundry started. I have some thoughts on this that I will try and stop back and post in a bit.
Welcome to WS! As you have I guess noticed in a couple (er..uhm..thousand or so) of my posts, I don't worry too much about sharing my opinions. :innocent: Feel free to share your views because it does bring up issues and create debates sometimes quite relevant to the cases here. Religion, politics, and ideologies are intertwined in many cases and it is difficult not to include those subjects in our discussions. Being very open minded is a good thing! I promise not to take anything you say to heart, if you promise you won't hit me over the head for mine. OK..maybe once or twice is allowed and probably deserved! LOL :slap:
Now about that laundry thing...I have a couple of loads you could work in with yours. >wink<

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm sure many of us have thought about running away, but then reality sets in. I wonder what her reactions were toward her family upon her return. Was she sorry, or was it more like, "Just leave me alone."
Oh, to have been a fly on the wall in their house! :truce: <<was she like this? Or like this :hand: ? Or perhaps like this :innocent: ? Of course, she boo-hooed a lot, I am sure...but she was probably crying because she got caught and had to come home. :doh:

[ihadcabinfever]

LOLOL this is great news!!!!!!!!!!

[ronniejo]

Thank You for the Warm Welcome! :)
Im looking forward to jumping in once in a while and kicking some thoughts and ideas around with you guys!
But for now Im going to call it a night. Been working my buns off all day and am way too whooped to even think .
Night All!!!

[ronniejo]

Anyone out to win a debate on religion can pick me. Because I do not know enough about any one religion to even consider debating someone that does. Nothing against it! I think I live a life that God would be proud of. I just do not practice any one religion.
I realize that there are people in this world that would have far more reasons to run away than Francine did! But we do not all Tick the same and what might push one person over the edge may not even phase another.
From what we have heard it sounds like her state of mind was clear when she was found. But then I have to wonder how clearly someone is thinking that is sleeping in thier car on hot/humid nights, living on bananas and potatoes. When she could have been home eating warm meals, stashing money and sleeping in her own bed while planning her escape.

[Beyond Belief]

Sounds a like a middle age crisis. :D

[ronniejo]

Sounds a like a middle age crisis. :D

I keep thinking that also. A friend of mine that recently turned 55 started going through some unusual behaviors a couple of months prior to her Birthday. Alot of it seemed to stem from her evaluating her life and questioning if she has lived it the way that she should have. And if she wants to spend the rest of it doing the same thing. Lucky for her she has a understanding husband , friends and family that are supporting her in doing what she needs to do to figure all of this out.
Maybe Francine did not have such a supportive Group. Or she just chose not to talk about it. Possibly struggling with some of the thoughts going through her head not being that of what would be expected of a religous woman? They also say she was struggling with depression. Its not unusual for people that are depressed to self absorb and be totally numb to the things that are going on around them.