Wheelchair bound pregnant woman attacked

[dingo]

A Perth man has been charged with bashing his pregnant paraplegic partner and stabbing her with a syringe.
She recieved stab wounds to the upper arms,legs and head.
What a hero this creep is.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=281527

[sherri79]

my god that is just torture.

[dingo]

Ill bet the syringe wasnt in the house to treat diabeties.

[pedinurse]

that's just sad.

[Shazza]

That poor woman, hope her and the baby are well, and lock up the boyfriend and throw away the key, what a loser.:loser:

[dingo]

Throw him in general population for a few days.....see how brave he is then.

[CaliKid]

Poor woman. How helpless she must have felt.

[lizziedripping]

What a coward - put him on the streets with a real man and see how long he lasts!!

[docwho3]

While I do not in any way condone such actions I want to avoid prejudging this case. Such a relationship might well be full of stress for both people in certain circumstances and perhaps some really good social workers and social services might need to be provided.

We do not know if this was an isolated blow up where someone snapped or if there was ongoing abusive behavior or just what the situation was from the news article linked. The fact they they both were willing to enter into or remain in a relationship under difficult circumstances might indicate some good exists in each. For now I am content to await more details.

[Shazza]

While I do not in any way condone such actions I want to avoid prejudging this case. Such a relationship might well be full of stress for both people in certain circumstances and perhaps some really good social workers and social services might need to be provided.

We do not know if this was an isolated blow up where someone snapped or if there was ongoing abusive behavior or just what the situation was from the news article linked. The fact they they both were willing to enter into or remain in a relationship under difficult circumstances might indicate some good exists in each. For now I am content to await more details.
No one deserves to be stabbed with a syringe, bashed, whether they snapped or not this poor pregnant woman was attacked. The attacker needs to be made accountable for his actions and charged accordingly.

[docwho3]

No one deserves to be stabbed with a syringe, bashed, whether they snapped or not this poor pregnant woman was attacked. The attacker needs to be made accountable for his actions and charged accordingly. It is true the attacker must be held accountable but I have also seen posts advocating he be treated as an evil entity would be treated (have inmates in prison go after him or other "real men" bash him) and I am saying that the fact that someone did a bad thing under trying circumstances does not necessarily make them a completely evil person and that I want to learn more info before deciding he is just an evil person. The fact that the attack happened must be properly dealt with but judging the evilness of a person is not something I lightly do.

[Shazza]

It is true the attacker must be held accountable but I have also seen posts advocating he be treated as an evil entity would be treated (have inmates in prison go after him or other "real men" bash him) and I am saying that the fact that someone did a bad thing under trying circumstances does not necessarily make them a completely evil person and that I want to learn more info before deciding he is just an evil person. The fact that the attack happened must be properly dealt with but judging the evilness of a person is not something I lightly do.
I believe anyone who can commit a crime as savage as this one on a wheelchair bound pregnant woman is evil or insane, nobody in their right mind would do this horrific attack on someone who is not fully capable of protecting themselves, doesnt matter what sort of pressure or illness this perp may or may not have, no more information is going to change the fact that this guy is guilty of a most despicable injustice to another human life, not one life but two lives.

[Amraann]

It is true the attacker must be held accountable but I have also seen posts advocating he be treated as an evil entity would be treated (have inmates in prison go after him or other "real men" bash him) and I am saying that the fact that someone did a bad thing under trying circumstances does not necessarily make them a completely evil person and that I want to learn more info before deciding he is just an evil person. The fact that the attack happened must be properly dealt with but judging the evilness of a person is not something I lightly do.

I am going to respectfully disagree with you Docwho.
I don't care what the circumstances are, this guy is totally evil.
Anyone electing to attack the weakest among us is evil.
There is absolutely NO excuse.

[docwho3]

I believe anyone who can commit a crime as savage as this one on a wheelchair bound pregnant woman is evil or insane, . . . Evidently to you life is all either black or white in issues. I find this to be the case in many young inexperienced people but fortunately not in as many mature thinking adults.

This was not a case of a stranger attacking some poor defenseless woman. This was evidently a case of a man who was in a romantic relationship with a paraplegic woman (she is referred to as his defacto wife) and to me that says there may well have been some caring involved or he could simply have walked out of her life at any time. The fact that the woman was also willing to enter into a romantic relationship under trynig circumstances says good things to me about her as well.

I see that while it is indeed possible the man was just an abusive type the would have hurt any woman he had a relationship with it is also possible that some of their special needs in the relationship were not being met and this might have caused a build up of stress until a blow up occured. That does not mean the man should not be punished for what happened but, without more info, to make a quick snap judgement that he is either "evil or insane" is simply ludicrous.

[Shazza]

I am going to respectfully disagree with you Docwho.
I don't care what the circumstances are, this guy is totally evil.
Anyone electing to attack the weakest among us is evil.
There is absolutely NO excuse.
No excuse whatsoever Amraann, I dont understand how anyone can justify this mans actions.

[catsmeow]

Evidently to you life is all either black or white in issues. I find this to be the case in many young inexperienced people but fortunately not in as many mature thinking adults.

This was not a case of a stranger attacking some poor defenseless woman. This was evidently a case of a man who was in a romantic relationship with a paraplegic woman (she is referred to as his defacto wife) and to me that says there may well have been some caring involved or he could simply have walked out of her life at any time. The fact that the woman was also willing to enter into a romantic relationship under trynig circumstances says good things to me about her as well.

I see that while it is indeed possible the man was just an abusive type the would have hurt any woman he had a relationship with it is also possible that some of their special needs in the relationship were not being met and this might have caused a build up of stress until a blow up occured. That does not mean the man should not be punished for what happened but, without more info, to make a quick snap judgement that he is either "evil or insane" is simply ludicrous.

Ummm...all relationships have their trials and tribulations and even if theirs had more than others that is absolutely no excuse to bash, kick and stab with a syringe. NONE. The mere fact that he resorted to this does make him a person that needs a stiff punishment. To say that calling him evil or insane is ludicrous I think is a stretch, personally I think it takes a pretty evil person to do this but that's my opinion.
There are other ways to resolve issues and she is pregnant, let alone in a wheelchair.

[docwho3]

Ummm...all relationships have their trials and tribulations and even if theirs had more than others that is absolutely no excuse to bash, kick and stab with a syringe. NONE. . . If you pay attention to what I wrote in my posts, I did not say there was any excuse for doing what he did. I also did not say he should not pay for what he did. I said that his having done a bad thing does not initself make him an evil person. I also said that I would not want to make a judgment that some one is evil without more information than we currently have in this case.

What you think is or is not "a stretch" is of course your own opinion. I think making snap judgements without enough information is ludicrous.

[Amraann]

Evidently to you life is all either black or white in issues. I find this to be the case in many young inexperienced people but fortunately not in as many mature thinking adults.

This was not a case of a stranger attacking some poor defenseless woman. This was evidently a case of a man who was in a romantic relationship with a paraplegic woman (she is referred to as his defacto wife) and to me that says there may well have been some caring involved or he could simply have walked out of her life at any time. The fact that the woman was also willing to enter into a romantic relationship under trynig circumstances says good things to me about her as well.

I see that while it is indeed possible the man was just an abusive type the would have hurt any woman he had a relationship with it is also possible that some of their special needs in the relationship were not being met and this might have caused a build up of stress until a blow up occured. That does not mean the man should not be punished for what happened but, without more info, to make a quick snap judgement that he is either "evil or insane" is simply ludicrous.


Again I will have to disagree.. It is common for abusers to choose one who they can control or whom they perceive as weak and easy prey.

[Amraann]

If you pay attention to what I wrote in my posts, I did not say there was any excuse for doing what he did. I also did not say he should not pay for what he did. I said that his having done a bad thing does not initself make him an evil person. I also said that I would not want to make a judgment that some one is evil without more information than we currently have in this case.

What you think is or is not "a stretch" is of course your own opinion. I think making snap judgements without enough information is ludicrous.


I don't think any of us are making a snap judgment the allegations speak for themselves.
There is nothing else to judge. He attacked a disabled pregnant women!
I don't really care what type of stress he is under ..... a decent person would not ever do such a thing. Most I believe would find the idea of it enough to make them throw up.

[docwho3]

Again I will have to disagree.. It is common for abusers to choose one who they can control or whom they perceive as weak and easy prey. And outside of this one incident you know he is an abuser (as in that type) how? What information do you have about this case that was not posted in the linked artcle that lets you know this is an abuser as opposed to someone who did one violent act?

[docwho3]

I don't think any of us are making a snap judgment the allegations speak for themselves. . . .Here I have to disagree with you. Knowing only one act of a person does not usually entitle us to judge whether a person is evil. Yes you know of one thing in this case and that one thing sounds really bad but thats all you know.

[catsmeow]

And outside of this one incident you know he is an abuser (as in that type) how? What information do you have about this case that was not posted in the linked artcle that lets you know this is an abuser as opposed to someone who did one violent act?

It only TAKES one time.

[docwho3]

It only TAKES one time.Oh really? one sin makes one forever evil? thats cool to know. Where did you learn that?

[catsmeow]

Oh really? one sin makes one forever evil? thats cool to know. Where did you learn that?

You said 'And outside of this one incident you know he is an abuser (as in that type) how? ' and I said it only TAKES one time as in it only takes one time to be an abuser.

As for one sin makes one evil forever, no, I NEVER said that so don't twist my words. I believe in repentance and God's forgiveness, thank you very much. How about not twisting people's words around?

[docwho3]

You said 'And outside of this one incident you know he is an abuser (as in that type) how? ' and I said it only TAKES one time as in it only takes one time to be an abuser.

As for one sin makes one evil forever, no, I NEVER said that so don't twist my words. I believe in repentance and God's forgiveness, thank you very much. How about not twisting people's words around? I am not your enemy, just a poster, so let me try to explain what I mean. You need to keep in mind first that I was speaking to a different poster in the part that you bolded and that discussion was not about whether he had committed an act that can be called abuse but was about whether one can judge that he is evil. That poster had made a remark ". . . It is common for abusers to choose one who they can control or whom they perceive as weak and easy prey.. . ." which implies a pattern of behavior, a person who delberately chooses one they can hold control over and thus continually abuse and that of course could lead one to conclude such a person is evil. But in this case there was no evidence of such a pattern of behavior that was in the linked article.

To me there is an act of abuse and then there are "abusers" who have an ongoing pattern of behaviors and who are very dangerous. To say that one act of abuse puts one in the second category is the same as saying that a teen that steals one car is a pro car thief. All I am saying is that I am uncomfortable with saying a life is worthelss based on one act when I know from the news article there were circumstances that brought pressure to bear on those involved. So when you added your comment to the ongoing discussion saying that it only takes one time to make an abuser it seemed to me that you were saying one event equals a chronic behavior type and thus the person is just evil.

This is a discussion board on the internet and I suppose it feels easy and safe for some to just blast away at anyone with flaws and who makes it into the news. It is easy and often popular to just say "off with his head" no matter what the crime or act or circumstances.

In this particular case I do not feel comfortable following that line of thinking. I think that if there were no other incidents or aggravating information to come out I might think that the couples relationship could possibly be saved with good social workers and counseling. It is equally possible that more information may come out to show this was indeed an evil person. I am just not comfortable slinging stones of judgment as to someone being evil or not with only the small amount of information I read in that one article and that is the only aspect of the case I commented on. I do not condone violence against anyone and do not think he should be let off with no consequences for his act in this case. I am just not happy with jumping from one bad act to say the life is worthless and yet that is what I was getting from some of the posts I saw.

[Ntegrity]

Wow, doc. Unbelievable. :slap:

[Amraann]

And outside of this one incident you know he is an abuser (as in that type) how? What information do you have about this case that was not posted in the linked artcle that lets you know this is an abuser as opposed to someone who did one violent act?


Simply because someone who would attack another is an abuser.
There is no such thing as only one time.

From the article...
"Police allege she was stabbed with a syringe in the upper arms, head and legs as well as punched, kicked and hit with a wooden pole."

This does not sound like "oops, I lost it for a few seconds"
I am not sure what else his character should be based on??
Plenty of abusers appear charming and functional on the surface.

This guy is scum and yes, his entire character should be judged on this one instance.
The fact is for his to attack her the way he did indicates this was not the first or only time.

[docwho3]

There is no such thing as only one time. . . Really? And you learned this where?

. . .This does not sound like "oops, I lost it for a few seconds" . . . No it sounds like he really lost it for a few minutes at least and maybe longer. We are fortunate that the woman is alive.

. . .This guy is scum and yes, his entire character should be judged on this one instance.
The fact is for his to attack her the way he did indicates this was not the first or only time. I have already spoken about making such assumptions without knowing more information and so won't comment further.

[Amraann]

Docwho if you read anything about abusers you will learn that it is never just one time.

Would you defend him had she died? Or if this had been a child?

[Ntegrity]

Doc, I've taken the unpopular side of issues here before and it's not an easy place to be. I applaud your willingness to be open minded, but I think you're dead wrong on this one. I could "almost" accept your opinion if this had been an able-bodied woman. That's not the case here and I don't think there's ANY plausible excuse for this creep's behavior.

Dingo, please keep us updated on this story if you hear more about it.

[docwho3]

Docwho if you read anything about abusers you will learn that it is never just one time. . . .
I have read some things about abuse and I know that an act of domestic violence is likely to be repeated but it is not a guranteed thing according to the information I have read.

. . .Would you defend him had she died? Or if this had been a child? In the first place you assume I am defending him and what I am actually trying to do is caution us from jumping to conclusions without enough information and especially not to jump to conclusions that a life is worthless without enough information. Our own laws recognize this to some extent. We have varying degrees of charges and penalties even when someone dies. We do not just line all who have ever committed a violent act up against a wall and shoot them.

How would I have reacted if this were a paraplegic child and the parent had lashed out? Well, sad as it is, I would not be surprised if this had not indeed happened before in familes. Caring for someone with certain disabilities can indeed be trying and I suppose that without help and support one might finally feel overwhelmed and bottle it up until they exploded and that is a very sad thing but not necessarily the sign of an evil person. In this case I thought it was good that he was willing to get into a relationship with a paraplegic and/or to stay in the relationship. Not everyone would be willing to make the effort. I also thought it good of her to have been trying to have a relationship instead of giving up on life. So altogether it seemed there might be more to this case than the bare bones of the article would lead one to believe and that cautioned me to not jump to conclusions.

But if it makes you or others feel better to just decide someone is scum with no other considerations than a bare bones short news article I guess that's your decision. Obviously some of you don't care one way or the other to know more than you already think you know. For myself, I want to know more before I will feel sure and safe in making such determinations.

[Squishified]

docwho,
I am glad that you have an open mind.
I can understand both sides. My first reaction is "let's fry this guy" but I try not to think only with my heart but with my head as well.
There is certainly no excuse for what this man did and I am certain that he will be punished.

[Amraann]

I have read some things about abuse and I know that an act of domestic violence is likely to be repeated but it is not a guranteed thing according to the information I have read.

In the first place you assume I am defending him and what I am actually trying to do is caution us from jumping to conclusions without enough information and especially not to jump to conclusions that a life is worthless without enough information. Our own laws recognize this to some extent. We have varying degrees of charges and penalties even when someone dies. We do not just line all who have ever committed a violent act up against a wall and shoot them.

How would I have reacted if this were a paraplegic child and the parent had lashed out? Well, sad as it is, I would not be surprised if this had not indeed happened before in familes. Caring for someone with certain disabilities can indeed be trying and I suppose that without help and support one might finally feel overwhelmed and bottle it up until they exploded and that is a very sad thing but not necessarily the sign of an evil person. In this case I thought it was good that he was willing to get into a relationship with a paraplegic and/or to stay in the relationship. Not everyone would be willing to make the effort. I also thought it good of her to have been trying to have a relationship instead of giving up on life. So altogether it seemed there might be more to this case than the bare bones of the article would lead one to believe and that cautioned me to not jump to conclusions.

But if it makes you or others feel better to just decide someone is scum with no other considerations than a bare bones short news article I guess that's your decision. Obviously some of you don't care one way or the other to know more than you already think you know. For myself, I want to know more before I will feel sure and safe in making such determinations.

We are going to have to agree to disagree on this.
I see nothing redeeming about this man.
I do not find his getting into a relationship with her as a redeeming quality inlight of his beating her.
IMO that re-affirms that he simply engaged in this relationship because it afforded him dominance.
There is nothing I could learn about this man that would alter my current low opinion of him.
Beating a 6 month pregnant disabled women is about as low as a person could go.
I cannot think of an mitigating factor that would make this man less of a slime ball.

[calus_3]

Well I am going to have to go with NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO CLASSIFY...Being on this site has made me much more liberal in my views, so I have to ask some more questions:

1) Was he under the influence of any drugs or alcohol? [we all know that any manner of crime can be explained away as being the drugs or alcohol not the base personality of the true victim, the staber.]
2) Is he a minority of any kind? [we all know that any minority accused of a crime is an innocent victim of racism]
3) Was he raised in an economically disadvantaged home? [they ain't responsible, thez pouh and the man didn't give them an opportunities]
4) Is he a liberal? [If so, then stabbing is then deemed a relative term and it turns out that our friend here was trying to help administer the lady's medications]
5) Is he a conservative? [Interrogate him to determine which stabbing (yes, it was a stabbing) was orchestrated by Carl Rove and Bush and Cheney]

These are just some of the questions that we must ask, being the politically correct society we are.

If I were King for a day, I'd just have his ass kicked by some really big fellahs and then throw him off a one story building.

Cal

[Amraann]

Well I am going to have to go with NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION TO CLASSIFY...Being on this site has made me much more liberal in my views, so I have to ask some more questions:

1) Was he under the influence of any drugs or alcohol? [we all know that any manner of crime can be explained away as being the drugs or alcohol not the base personality of the true victim, the staber.]
2) Is he a minority of any kind? [we all know that any minority accused of a crime is an innocent victim of racism]
3) Was he raised in an economically disadvantaged home? [they ain't responsible, thez pouh and the man didn't give them an opportunities]
4) Is he a liberal? [If so, then stabbing is then deemed a relative term and it turns out that our friend here was trying to help administer the lady's medications]
5) Is he a conservative? [Interrogate him to determine which stabbing (yes, it was a stabbing) was orchestrated by Carl Rove and Bush and Cheney]

These are just some of the questions that we must ask, being the politically correct society we are.

If I were King for a day, I'd just have his ass kicked by some really big fellahs and then throw him off a one story building.

Cal


HAHAHHAHA!! Thanks Cal!!

[sherri79]

in any case a beating is bad enough. men who beat up women because they are stronger and can should be in jail. men who beat women who are pregnant should never leave jail. men who beat women that are pregnant and can not run away because they are disabled should be in hell. in this case he beat a woman that was pregnant and in a wheelchair but that was not enough. he held her down and stabbed her over and over with a needle. that is not loss of control meant to lash out because you are full of anger. that is torture. there should be a special place in hell for some1 who can hold some1 down to inflict calculated pain like this. he knew the woman he tortured carried his child in her womb. what history could change that?

[Amraann]

in any case a beating is bad enough. men who beat up women because they are stronger and can should be in jail. men who beat women who are pregnant should never leave jail. men who beat women that are pregnant and can not run away because they are disabled should be in hell. in this case he beat a woman that was pregnant and in a wheelchair but that was not enough. he held her down and stabbed her over and over with a needle. that is not loss of control meant to lash out because you are full of anger. that is torture. there should be a special place in hell for some1 who can hold some1 down to inflict calculated pain like this. he knew the woman he tortured carried his child in her womb. what history could change that?

Sherri!!!! Excellent POST!!!!!!!!!!! :clap::clap::clap:

I could not agree more!!! He should be in hell.
Lashing out at someone in capable of defending themselves is disgusting!
Its like kicking a small puppy.
Funny how men like this never prey upon women like many of us here who could easily defend themselves and make them drop to their knees and beg that we leave THEM alone.

But I am sure ... its just the simple stress of a rough day that caused his malfunction.... (sarcasm)
Yeah right!

Call me funny, but I have never been so stressed that I attempted to kill someone.

[SadieMae]

I don't think any of us are making a snap judgment the allegations speak for themselves.
There is nothing else to judge. He attacked a disabled pregnant women!
I don't really care what type of stress he is under ..... a decent person would not ever do such a thing. Most I believe would find the idea of it enough to make them throw up.
I so agree! This woman could not defend herself in any way. An able bodied pregnant woman is already at a disadvantage in a physical confrontation to defend herself. I can't imagine also being in a wheel chair.

[sherri79]

Sherri!!!! Excellent POST!!!!!!!!!!! :clap::clap::clap:

I could not agree more!!! He should be in hell.
Lashing out at someone in capable of defending themselves is disgusting!
Its like kicking a small puppy.
Funny how men like this never prey upon women like many of us here who could easily defend themselves and make them drop to their knees and beg that we leave THEM alone.

But I am sure ... its just the simple stress of a rough day that caused his malfunction.... (sarcasm)
Yeah right!

Call me funny, but I have never been so stressed that I attempted to kill someone. it is more like kicking a puppy then punching it then hitting it with a wooden pole then stabbing it all over with a syringe.

[Ntegrity]

cal, this is for you :blowkiss:

[dingo]

Doc, I've taken the unpopular side of issues here before and it's not an easy place to be. I applaud your willingness to be open minded, but I think you're dead wrong on this one. I could "almost" accept your opinion if this had been an able-bodied woman. That's not the case here and I don't think there's ANY plausible excuse for this creep's behavior.

Dingo, please keep us updated on this story if you hear more about it.
I will post updates it I see any....sometimes these stories never see the light of day again.

[dingo]

While I do not in any way condone such actions I want to avoid prejudging this case. Such a relationship might well be full of stress for both people in certain circumstances and perhaps some really good social workers and social services might need to be provided.

We do not know if this was an isolated blow up where someone snapped or if there was ongoing abusive behavior or just what the situation was from the news article linked. The fact they they both were willing to enter into or remain in a relationship under difficult circumstances might indicate some good exists in each. For now I am content to await more details.
Hes proberly a really nice guy when you get to know him.....we shouldnt let the fact that he bashed and stabbed a crippled pregnant woman taint our view of him.
Put him where he belongs:behindbar

[Ntegrity]

:laugh: :laugh:
Hes proberly a really nice guy when you get to know him.....we shouldnt let the fact that he bashed and stabbed a crippled pregnant woman tait our view of him.

[dingo]

I just dont know how much lower a person can sink Ntegrity....I cant muster any compassion for him at all.....he needs his Harse kicked .

[Ntegrity]

LOL. I bet you'd like him if you got to know him. ;)

[dingo]

Poor blokes proberly just misunderstood:doh: ...

[Shazza]

I just dont know how much lower a person can sink Ntegrity....I cant muster any compassion for him at all.....he needs his Harse kicked .
Hear Hear Dingo, can I be the first to Kick it.

[dingo]

You can go first Shazz....the rest of us will line up behind you.

[Amraann]

Poor blokes proberly just misunderstood:doh: ...


HAHHAHAHAH!!!
Honestly... even if this creep spent his days off visiting nursing homes and reading to the blind... rather then think it was noble and kind I would think it was so he exposed himself to those less vulnerable then he is.

In looking at the replies on this thread I wonder .... if this was about someone molesting a child would him being evil even be at issue?