Bloody beating of son inside a Wal-Mart

[Marie]

This is just awful! You can see a pic taken with a cell phone and you can also listen to the 911 calls.

Mom in Mesa abuse case had prior record (http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/story/95201)

A mother arrested in the bloody beating of her son inside a Mesa Wal-Mart earlier this week had a history of child abuse charges stemming back to the 2003 death of another son at the hands of a boyfriend.

Police arrested Tina Lynn Tatum, 29, at the Wal-Mart Supercenter at Stapley Drive and Baseline Road on Sunday after several shoppers watched her repeatedly hit her 10-year-old son in the face and stomach with a closed fist, according to witnesses. The boy is in the care of a family member.

Tatum is on lifetime parole for child abuse because of her role in the death of her 3-month-old son, Anthony Nieves, who was murdered by her ex-boyfriend, Pedro Peralta, four years ago. Peralta is currently serving two consecutive life sentences.

Police received 911 calls from several witnesses at the store Sunday detailing the boy’s brutal beating. The child was described as having a bloody nose and mouth, according to police reports. Witnesses told police that a woman identified as the boy’s grandmother, Karen Richardson, also hurt the boy by dragging him outside the store by his hair, feet and arms.

Wal-Mart employees were asked to intervene, but witnesses said workers cited store policy. Employees are told to contact authorities rather than get involved, Wal-Mart spokeswoman Sharon Weber said Wednesday.

[GlitchWizard]

WalMart employees are asked not to intervene.

Okay, so what about the 99% of the person who isn't an employee, but a human being?

[jantel74]

That is awful! I wish someone would have stepped in to help the child. Sounds like both mom and grandma leave a lot to be desired, IMO.

[kgeaux]

WalMart employees are asked not to intervene.

Okay, so what about the 99% of the person who isn't an employee, but a human being?

Yeah, really. How come that 911 call comes from a concerned shopper and NOT from a Walmart employee? That's just plain stupid. Stupid. What if this little boy was being kidnapped? Would the child have to wait for a shopper to contact help for them?

[GlitchWizard]

That is awful! I wish someone would have stepped in to help the child. Sounds like both mom and grandma leave a lot to be desired, IMO.

I doubt anyone would have received any legal repercussions for punching this woman in the face and grabbing up the child. At least if you grab the child, a code Adam would have been called (on you, but still...) and the doors would have been locked. It's insane that these people would be able to make it to their car before help arrived.

[Marie]

If you listen to the 911 tape, there are customers trying to help... even talking to the grandmother and following them and getting license #'s. The point about Walmart employees NOT helping is that one would assume they have a security guard that could help or that they would even call 911 themselves!

[Love_Mama]

What a horrible story! Jeeze! :furious:

Yep......what about all the people watching not doing anything?

I cannot believe that someone there, watching this didn't do something about it immediately.

xxxxxoooooooooo
mama
:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

[Marie]

I doubt anyone would have received any legal repercussions for punching this woman in the face and grabbing up the child. At least if you grab the child, a code Adam would have been called (on you, but still...) and the doors would have been locked. It's insane that these people would be able to make it to their car before help arrived.

EXACTLY! The woman on the 911 call says Walmart wouldn't help...and she describes a 'white' woman who states she is NOT the mother beating and dragging away a 'hispanic' child. You'd think they should have issued a code adam immediately! What if that were our child being kidnapped?

[GlitchWizard]

Yeah, really. How come that 911 call comes from a concerned shopper and NOT from a Walmart employee? That's just plain stupid. Stupid. What if this little boy was being kidnapped? Would the child have to wait for a shopper to contact help for them?


I will tell you exactly what would happen if the child were being kidnapped because I was in that situation (sort of.) My daughter was being a typical kid - trying to run around a store very similar to a super wal mart. She was pretty young, and I grabbed her by the overhauls straps in back of her and scooped her up under my arm in what I called the "sack of potatoes" hold. It doesn't hurt them, and all the flailing doesn't kick you - but the kid is safely restrained. :-) ANYWAY, my delightful four year old started yelling like her karate instructor taught her to if she were kidnapped.

"THIS IS NOT MY PARENT!"

She shreiked that over and over - and I actually paid for my watch battery with her flailing around, and went all the way to my car and home without the first person questioning me.

! I was actually upset that no one tried to stop me.

[MissieMt]

Hmmm, well I just started working at a walmart. I will say that at no time during my training was this type of situation discussed, neither was any type of policy on whether or not we can get involved. I'm sorry but it would be a cold day in he!! before you see me chose to follow company policy instead of protect a child.

ETA: I'm going to ask someone tomorrow evening when I go to work. I'm very curious.

[GlitchWizard]

Hmmm, well I just started working at a walmart. I will say that at no time during my training was this type of situation discussed, neither was any type of policy on whether or not we can get involved. I'm sorry but it would be a cold day in he!! before you see me chose to follow company policy instead of protect a child.

ETA: I'm going to ask someone tomorrow evening when I go to work. I'm very curious.

The WalMarts of the world will be safer with people like you in it to set an example. :-)

PS
What would you do to a woman who grabbed up a kid and the kid was screaming "THIS IS NOT MY PARENT!" ... just curious. :-)

[Amraann]

Let me get this straight... she is on LIFETIME parole for her other sons death and yet they let her keep this child?????

I get that the BF was convicted in that death but clearly based on this the mother was not some innocent bystander! WTF????
WHY does she get the chance to screw up yet another life?????

This makes me see red I am so angry!

And let me tell you ... I could give a rats ass if the store "policy" was not to intervene I would lose my job and put a stop to it.
All of those people in the store and no one stopped these 2 crazy *****es?

This reminds me of the time I was in the Walmart...
In the check out isle with my teenage daughter and in front of us was a women who could only be described as "crackwhore" with her young teenage daughter..
I do not know what exactly set this women off but she went nuts!
I really thought she was going to hit the kid and would not be shocked if she did once outside the store..
The girl said nothing but this women was screaming and swearing and berating her for the whole front half of the store to hear.
Getting up in the poor kids face and SCREAMING how she is going to "F**** knock her teeth down her throat etc etc etc.

The look on my face must have said it all because she turns and starts asking what my problem is.....
As quietly as I could and very calmly I said "my problem is that some people have no right being parents you trailer trash whore. I am very certain you are no stranger to the police or DCF. Would you care to pick on someone your own size?"
She shut the hell up quickly.

My poor daughter was like "OMG!!! I can't believe she treated her daughter like that!!"
The cashier said... "I was so sure she was going to hit that child"

I would have broken her GD hand so flipping fast if she had.
I don't understand how these people in that store all stood around and did nothing.
The mother would have been the one bloodied if I had seen that.
No force on earth would have stopped me from intervening most likely with a solid bat from the sporting goods department.

Just no way I could sit back and watch a child be beaten nor walk away and pretend it was not happening.

[NewMom2003]

What a horrible, horrible story. :(

Also sounds like a vicious cycle of abuse on the part of both mother and grandmother. :furious: I just hope that whoever they have placed this child with doesn't follow this same cycle of abuse.

Another thing, IMO, this woman shouldn't even have custody of her son if she's on lifetime probation (whatever that is) for the role in another son's death.

My local WM has outside security. I wonder if they would get involved if something like this happened there?

I wouldn't hesitate to get involved if I saw this going on. There is a HUGE difference between disciplining your child and abuse. :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

It IS amazing and appalling to me no one stepped up to help that poor boy!! GRRRR!!! I don't care HOW he was acting!! No child deserves what he got!

How could they just STAND there watching her bloody her son?!?!?! The grandmother should be charged also and probably will be. One of the 911 callers said they will testify they saw her throw him to the ground. GOOD! She probably started or perpetuated that whole cycle of abuse!

Yes...she was on LIFETIME parole for abuse...yet they gave her back her badly bruised son (same son she was now beating again) when he was five years old! Sounds like the system again let another child fall through the cracks for years of abuse.

I was in a mall once and saw a huge woman smack an infant less than two months old in the face. While there were able-bodied men and others standing less than a few feet away, I jumped in and physically tore the baby out of her arms while yelling for security to restrain her. I even had to scream for someone to call the police!!! The woman was screaming at me, but didn't try to attack me. The people standing around finally DID something, but not until the smallest person there jumped in first! It burned me up!!

Turned out...they had already taken her many other children for abuse, but didn't know about the birth of the last!!!

IT IS a broken system! What are we doing to fix it?!

[MissieMt]

The WalMarts of the world will be safer with people like you in it to set an example. :-)

PS
What would you do to a woman who grabbed up a kid and the kid was screaming "THIS IS NOT MY PARENT!" ... just curious. :-)
I think I would try calling security, but if I felt things weren't being done quickly enough I would have intervened. I wonder what their policy is about that?
Honestly guys, I'm on WS for a reason-just like most of you, and I would not and could not sit idly by while some kid was being taken unwillingly out of the store, or abused physically/verbally. If walmart were to have a problem with that, well they could kiss my hiney.
Unfortunately, we can't tell people how to raise their kids while they are at walmart. You would be amazed how many people bring their kids there at 9,10,11pm. One lady had her son there at 11pm last week. She was so proud because he was starting his first day of kindergarten the next day-ha! like he was gonna be able to stay awake for any of it!!

[Paladin]

Jesus, I would be all over that mother. What the hell is wrong with people that they didn't intervene? What a bunch of gutless worms. I'm so angry now.

Edit: Walmart isn't the only place to get a job. I would gladly break "company policy" and lose my job to womp the living crap out of that woman to protect that child.

[Jeana (DP)]

WalMart employees are asked not to intervene.

Okay, so what about the 99% of the person who isn't an employee, but a human being?

HELLO! That's what I was thinking. I would have dragged those *****es out of that store and kicked them in the butt so hard they wouldn't know what hit them. I cannot believe anyone stood around and watched that poor little boy get beat.

I must tell you that as I was falling asleep last night, I did begin to wonder if the kid was smart enough to actually do something to piss his mother off on purpose in that store. I'll tell you why I thought that. He must have been getting beaten on a regular basis at home. We all know that if a parent will hit a kid in public, at home the hitting MUST be way worse. What if the kid knew somehow that his mother hitting him in public would get him taken away from her??? Wouldn't that be brillant??

After all, the mother is on LIFETIME probatation due to the previous case in which her three month old son was murdered by her boyfriend. This child who was beaten at Wal-Mart, was five years old at the time and he even had bruises on him at that time.

[philamena]

OMG! I saw pictures of this on the news last night.
This biotch needs to be neutered and locked up for life.
This poor, poor little boy and his poor sibling who died at the ^^^^^'s hands.

[Paladin]

LOL, I gotta stay out of this thread. I'm seriously ready to drop some f-bombs on these women. I'm supercharged right now.

[Amraann]

HELLO! That's what I was thinking. I would have dragged those *****es out of that store and kicked them in the butt so hard they wouldn't know what hit them. I cannot believe anyone stood around and watched that poor little boy get beat.

I must tell you that as I was falling asleep last night, I did begin to wonder if the kid was smart enough to actually do something to piss his mother off on purpose in that store. I'll tell you why I thought that. He must have been getting beaten on a regular basis at home. We all know that if a parent will hit a kid in public, at home the hitting MUST be way worse. What if the kid knew somehow that his mother hitting him in public would get him taken away from her??? Wouldn't that be brillant??

After all, the mother is on LIFETIME probatation due to the previous case in which her three month old son was murdered by her boyfriend. This child who was beaten at Wal-Mart, was five years old at the time and he even had bruises on him at that time.


Jeana?? I have a question about "lifetime" Probation....
Under normal circumstances if someone is on probation and they break the law then they usually must spend the remainder of their probation time in prison...
Would that (hopefully!!) apply here?

[philamena]

LOL, I gotta stay out of this thread. I'm seriously ready to drop some f-bombs on these women. I'm supercharged right now.

Go ahead Paladin, I'll back you up.;)
This is so infuriating!:doh:

[Jeana (DP)]

Jeana?? I have a question about "lifetime" Probation....
Under normal circumstances if someone is on probation and they break the law then they usually must spend the remainder of their probation time in prison...
Would that (hopefully!!) apply here?

The answer is: Its up to the judge. I doubt this boy will ever be returned to her after this (thank God), but its going to be a judge's decision on how much time she needs to be sent to prison for. I believe the reason that the boyfriend is in prison for murdering the baby and not her is because neither of them would assist the prosecution and there was not enough evidence to send the mother to prison. Depending on the other facts of that case, the judge may now think there is enough to send her there for life. Its certainly within the guidelines.

[heavenlydaze]

The woman dragging the boy in the picture (the grandmother?) appears to be rather, uh, 'sturdy' and possibly more than a little scary, so I can see how some people would be afraid to try & stop her, BUT...where were the damn security guards? AND...wasn't there at least one well-built man or woman close by that could have 'taken her out'? (OK...my ol' South Dakota up-bringin' is poppin' out here) And excuse me, but I have to assume there wasn't ONE well-trained Grandma in the vicinity, regardless of size or age, or the be-atch would never have made it to the front doors.:furious:

[Paladin]

The woman dragging the boy in the picture (the grandmother?) appears to be rather, uh, 'sturdy' and possibly more than a little scary, so I can see how some people would be afraid to try & stop her, BUT...where were the damn security guards? AND...wasn't there at least one well-built man or woman close by that could have 'taken her out'? (OK...my ol' South Dakota up-bringin' is poppin' out here) And excuse me, but I have to assume there wasn't ONE well-trained Grandma in the vicinity, regardless of size or age, or the be-atch would never have made it to the front doors.:furious:

I hope no one takes offense to this, but at the Walmart that I frequent, if you took a look at the BADGELESS security guards, you'd understand why there weren't any or didn't intervene. The crews that Walmart higher as greeters and guards are either retired individuals, or folks with mental deficiencies.

At my Walmart the one guard who wears black security guards clothing (no badge) was probably given that job to just sit there near the door. I don't understand it.

[Amraann]

Go ahead Paladin, I'll back you up.;)
This is so infuriating!:doh:

The infuriating part to me is the long long ongoing history of abuse ..... Yet not only does she get the child back BUT child services closes the case and NO ONE is watching her???? WTF???

Ya know another few years and we will hear how this child is being charged with some horrible crime....

[SadieMae]

Unbelievable they made to the car with this child!!!! If I had seen this I would have told her if she raised another hand to that child her a$$ will be hittin' the floor! GW...something similar happened to my brother and his daughter. He is dark skinned and she is lilly white. She threw a screaming fit in the mall when she was 3 because he wouldn't buy her a Barbie. He did the same thing you did, just picked her up and started to leave. BUT, 3 women followed him & blocked him from leaving the mall. They pretty much told him he had to go through them to get out until security arrived to straighten it out. They apologized to my brother, but he thanked them & said he was grateful people do look out for children they think are in danger and step up. LOL...when security arrived my niece was screaming for them NOT to take her Daddy to jail, so that pretty much verified who he was.

[Jeana (DP)]

The woman dragging the boy in the picture (the grandmother?) appears to be rather, uh, 'sturdy' and possibly more than a little scary, so I can see how some people would be afraid to try & stop her, BUT...where were the damn security guards? AND...wasn't there at least one well-built man or woman close by that could have 'taken her out'? (OK...my ol' South Dakota up-bringin' is poppin' out here) And excuse me, but I have to assume there wasn't ONE well-trained Grandma in the vicinity, regardless of size or age, or the be-atch would never have made it to the front doors.:furious:

Certainly there was a man in the place who could have at least gotten the mother's attention. I had to stop a mother from slapping her daughter once in the store and basically all I had to do was walk directly up to her and say "Don't you dare do that again" and she stopped. These bullies are fine when it comes to hitting kids, but put someone their own size against them and they're not so tough.

[Amraann]

The answer is: Its up to the judge. I doubt this boy will ever be returned to her after this (thank God), but its going to be a judge's decision on how much time she needs to be sent to prison for. I believe the reason that the boyfriend is in prison for murdering the baby and not her is because neither of them would assist the prosecution and there was not enough evidence to send the mother to prison. Depending on the other facts of that case, the judge may now think there is enough to send her there for life. Its certainly within the guidelines.

On the bright side she won't be bringing any more children into the world from prison.
I hope the judge views her history and slams her a$$ so hard and long in jail that she forgets what day light looks like.

HeavenlyDaze .... I could careless how big the B*tch was I would have found something to take her a$$ down. The bigger they are the harder they fall...

SadieMae, its nice to hear that your brother did not take offense.
I bet your niece was less inclined to have fits in the store after that! LOLOL

The same thing use to happen to hubby with our daughter. Although the local stores all knew both of us and knew it was his daughter so no one tried to stop him.

[heavenlydaze]

Unbelievable they made to the car with this child!!!! If I had seen this I would have told her if she raised another hand to that child her a$$ will be hittin' the floor! GW...something similar happened to my brother and his daughter. He is dark skinned and she is lilly white. She threw a screaming fit in the mall when she was 3 because he wouldn't buy her a Barbie. He did the same thing you did, just picked her up and started to leave. BUT, 3 women followed him & blocked him from leaving the mall. They pretty much told him he had to go through them to get out until security arrived to straighten it out. They apologized to my brother, but he thanked them & said he was grateful people do look out for children they think are in danger and step up. LOL...when security arrived my niece was screaming for them NOT to take her Daddy to jail, so that pretty much verified who he was.

Just a guess....but were those three women Grandmas?:)

[txsvicki]

I took on a man in the department store where I worked. He had a boy of about 14 grabbed around the throat and was lifting him up. I didn't care if I lost my job, got hit myself, or not. Turned out he was the guys stepson and his mother was a former employee at another location.

[imthemom]

Another case where the mother should have been charged also with the death of her 3 month old, she said she seen the boyfriend shaking him on other occasions and did nothing about it, accountability, hello!! She would be in prison and her son would not be with her. If they would do this in public think of the beatings he gets at home. Hope he finds happiness and stability to become a good young man.

[SadieMae]

Just a guess....but were those three women Grandmas?:)
None of the women knew each other. One sent her teen daughter to get security. One was an older woman, which my brother, who's built like a weight lifter, said was no way he was going to mess with, she was SERIOUS!! LOL!

[kwatson696]

OMG
How horrible, poor little fella, bleeding from his nose and mouth....:(

[southcitymom]

What a heartbreaking story. I actually think it's great that so many people were calling in reporting her. In the not-so-distant past, people would have ignored this situation as a private family matter, IMHO. I think we truly are becoming more aware as far as child abuse goes.

Prayers for this family.

[BhamMama]

Sick!

This is the only reason they needed a long time ago to remove that child.

Police said Tatum confessed to beating her older son in the past.

She told them point blank and they gave him back. The pos she let kill her baby killed an 11 month old of another womans too by wrapping him in a blanket.

I hope that child gets help and as far away from that family as he possibly can. If the abuse was so bad they'd do it in public I dont have a doubt that extended family knew and did nothing too.

Like others I've stepped up. Dh says I have engage brain later disease. I act then think. This huge woman was in front of me in line and her little boy, about 3, kept saying mama over and over while pulling on her shirt. She kept ignoring them then bam! She slapped his head and his little face hit the counter.

I jerked her arm back and told her if she ever did that again I'd hunt her down like a dog and beat her senseless. She looked at me like I had grown 3 heads but she shut up real quick. I'm sure I didn't scare her. I barely came to the middle of her chest and she outweighed me by 100 lbs. But she would have found out that little don't always mean helpless.

[SadieMae]

BhamMama...good for you! Many of these people are true cowards anyway to beat and slap a little child like that. ADULTS scare them.

[nanandjim]

I'd like to think that my natural instinct of helping a weaker person, especially a child, would kick in. I just cannot stand to see children hurt. I hope that this woman has the everloving crap kicked out of her in prison.

[Mygirlsadie]

People like this make me freakin sick! Does it make an adult feel good to hurt a harmless child? I will give this lady a little credit though for doing one thing smart...she hurt him inside a walmart and got her sorry a$$ caught!!!! If I was there I would of taken the child away from the situation and let big Bertha beat up on me because I would love to knock the snot out of these types of pieces of crap!

[tennessee]

Oh my god! Yet another reason to avoid the hellhole called Wal-Mart.

Someone give me five minutes with this *****. If I ever, ever see anyone punching their child like that, I am going to go ape poo on them.

Poor little guy. I hope he goes to a family that is able to overcome his past and teach him about love.

[southcitymom]

...... Does it make an adult feel good to hurt a harmless child?

I would wager that most adults do not hit children because it makes them feel good.

I think most adults hit children because they feel angry and helpless and out-of-control (a feeling I myself understand) while dealing with the child....and then they remember what was done to them as a child when their caretakers felt angry and helpless and out-of-control with them.

Since the grandmother was also involved in the abuse of this 10-year-old, I'd be willing to bet everything I own that the grandmother abused the mother when she was a little girl. Child abuse is almost always a chain of pain. Of course, not every abused child grows up to abuse their child, but with super rare exception, every grown abuser of children was a victim of abuse as a child.

My prayers go out to this family in hopes that one day (this young boy perhaps) the cycle can be broken.

[heavenlydaze]

I hope no one takes offense to this, but at the Walmart that I frequent, if you took a look at the BADGELESS security guards, you'd understand why there weren't any or didn't intervene. The crews that Walmart higher as greeters and guards are either retired individuals, or folks with mental deficiencies.

At my Walmart the one guard who wears black security guards clothing (no badge) was probably given that job to just sit there near the door. I don't understand it.
Well,Paladin,
I'm lookin' at this post in several different ways. One...I no longer feel safe at Walmart. Two...when I finally retire from this defunct Record Store in a couple of years, I think I'll still be able to get a job.

[BethInAK]

The infuriating part to me is that NO ONE DID ANYTHING TO STOP THE ABUSE. Calling 911 was not sufficient.

[BethInAK]

I will tell you exactly what would happen if the child were being kidnapped because I was in that situation (sort of.) My daughter was being a typical kid - trying to run around a store very similar to a super wal mart. She was pretty young, and I grabbed her by the overhauls straps in back of her and scooped her up under my arm in what I called the "sack of potatoes" hold. It doesn't hurt them, and all the flailing doesn't kick you - but the kid is safely restrained. :-) ANYWAY, my delightful four year old started yelling like her karate instructor taught her to if she were kidnapped.

"THIS IS NOT MY PARENT!"

She shreiked that over and over - and I actually paid for my watch battery with her flailing around, and went all the way to my car and home without the first person questioning me.

! I was actually upset that no one tried to stop me.

OK, so this is very funny, but also very scary. I'd totally have said something to her and tried to determine if it was true. I think perhaps your lack of panic over her behavior was probably why people didn't question. And does she look alot like you?

[BethInAK]

Unbelievable they made to the car with this child!!!! If I had seen this I would have told her if she raised another hand to that child her a$$ will be hittin' the floor! GW...something similar happened to my brother and his daughter. He is dark skinned and she is lilly white. She threw a screaming fit in the mall when she was 3 because he wouldn't buy her a Barbie. He did the same thing you did, just picked her up and started to leave. BUT, 3 women followed him & blocked him from leaving the mall.

I see this story and I think "prejudice". If he had been whiter maybe they wouldnt' have intervened.

[southcitymom]

The infuriating part to me is that NO ONE DID ANYTHING TO STOP THE ABUSE. Calling 911 was not sufficient.


Perhaps you are referring to the instant abuse, but plenty of people did something and calling 911 got the mother arrested and the child taken away. Based on her history, I doubt the child will return to her home.

Thank God for the people who were involved in helping stop the abuse I am sure this child has suffered at his mother and grandmother's hands for years!

[SadieMae]

I see this story and I think "prejudice". If he had been whiter maybe they wouldnt' have intervened.
No, that had nothing to do with it...two of the women were black, one white. It was pretty much these women saw a child in distress, and stepped in.

[southcitymom]

No, that had nothing to do with it...two of the women were black, one white. It was pretty much these women saw a child in distress, and stepped in.

The woman I listened to in the 911 call sounded Hispanic. I just don't see race as an issue here - sounds like many people of all races were coming to the aid of this child.

[Amraann]

Perhaps you are referring to the instant abuse, but plenty of people did something and calling 911 got the mother arrested and the child taken away. Based on her history, I doubt the child will return to her home.

Thank God for the people who were involved in helping stop the abuse I am sure this child has suffered at his mother and grandmother's hands for years!


It all does make me wonder just how often Grandma beat the piss out of her kids in public and obviously NO ONE did intervene.

[southcitymom]

It all does make me wonder just how often Grandma beat the piss out of her kids in public and obviously NO ONE did intervene.

I hear you, Amraann. Back in her day I think people were much more apt to turn a blind eye.

[Marie]

The woman I listened to in the 911 call sounded Hispanic. I just don't see race as an issue here - sounds like many people of all races were coming to the aid of this child.


They weren't talking about this case. It was SadieMae's brother they were talking about :) I'm editing to add that race did sort of play into this - the 911 caller described the boy as Hispanic and the woman who was not his mother (turned out to be the grandmother but no one knew that at the time) as White. To me that would have possibly indicated a kidnapping in progress... a possible kidnapping is what upset me so much about Wally World employee's not being allowed to 'get involved'. No one knew the women beating the boy were related to the boy.

It's shocking to me that this mom and grandma didn't think anything of beating the boy in public - no shame, no embarrassment, no nothing. Somewhere along the way they learned to think this sort of behavior is normal.

[kgeaux]

I will tell you exactly what would happen if the child were being kidnapped because I was in that situation (sort of.) My daughter was being a typical kid - trying to run around a store very similar to a super wal mart. She was pretty young, and I grabbed her by the overhauls straps in back of her and scooped her up under my arm in what I called the "sack of potatoes" hold. It doesn't hurt them, and all the flailing doesn't kick you - but the kid is safely restrained. :-) ANYWAY, my delightful four year old started yelling like her karate instructor taught her to if she were kidnapped.

"THIS IS NOT MY PARENT!"

She shreiked that over and over - and I actually paid for my watch battery with her flailing around, and went all the way to my car and home without the first person questioning me.

! I was actually upset that no one tried to stop me.

OMG. That is SCARY. I guess the fact that you paused in the middle of the "kidnapping" made the store employees believe you were the mother, BUT oh, Jesus, if their assumption had been wrong, you'd be missing a little girl right now.

Surely our stores can do better than this.

I'm reminded of Shasta-----a fellow customer called 911 in that case, too, not an employee. Thank God for that customer because Shasta would be dead today if he had not called.

[philamena]

The infuriating part to me is the long long ongoing history of abuse ..... Yet not only does she get the child back BUT child services closes the case and NO ONE is watching her???? WTF???

Ya know another few years and we will hear how this child is being charged with some horrible crime....


I know! I'd love to know why this woman was allowed to get her child back.
Like you said, she wasn't even watched by CPS!!!:banghead::banghead:

[SadieMae]

I know! I'd love to know why this woman was allowed to get her child back.
Like you said, she wasn't even watched by CPS!!!:banghead::banghead:
CPS usually are understaffed, overworked and some are plain stupid and blind. More money needs to go into our programs and agencies that protect children...not GIVE billions to freakin' Mexico for their their drug problems.

[southcitymom]

They weren't talking about this case. It was SadieMae's brother they were talking about :) I'm editing to add that race did sort of play into this - the 911 caller described the boy as Hispanic and the woman who was not his mother (turned out to be the grandmother but no one knew that at the time) as White. To me that would have possibly indicated a kidnapping in progress... a possible kidnapping is what upset me so much about Wally World employee's not being allowed to 'get involved'. No one knew the women beating the boy were related to the boy.

It's shocking to me that this mom and grandma didn't think anything of beating the boy in public - no shame, no embarrassment, no nothing. Somewhere along the way they learned to think this sort of behavior is normal.

Yes, I hear you. I meant that race didn't play into it in terms of people reacting or not reacting. The woman did appear to be white and the boy did appear to be Hispanic - families are so colorful these days that I would not have suspected kidnapping - though my mind might have gone there quicker if it was a man taking and hitting a screaming girl.

[SadieMae]

Yes, I hear you. I meant that race didn't play into it in terms of people reacting or not reacting. The woman did appear to be white and the boy did appear to be Hispanic - families are so colorful these days that I would not have suspected kidnapping - though my mind might have gone there quicker if it was a man taking and hitting a screaming girl.
I agree with you on that SCM. I think I do tend to ignore a woman if she's pulling a resisting child out of a store...I always look twice when it's a man and a little girl.

[SewingDeb]

I know! I'd love to know why this woman was allowed to get her child back.
Like you said, she wasn't even watched by CPS!!!:banghead::banghead:

From the article linked above:

She was released from prison in 2005. During her release, a probation officer wrote in a court memo that there was no indication that Tatum shouldn’t be with her son and she should be allowed to live with him. The probation officer reported that she would be allowed to remain in her father’s residence with her son unless the court opposed that arrangement, which it did not, according to court records.

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I hope that probation officer hears about this and realizes they shouldn't be so quick to say there was no reason she should not be with her son.

[southcitymom]

I agree with you on that SCM. I think I do tend to ignore a woman if she's pulling a resisting child out of a store...I always look twice when it's a man and a little girl.

Yes - I am admitting to some blatant sexism in that regard and I'm okay with that. There's a thin line always between genuine prejudice and real experience of various "groups" within society.

I adore men in general, but it would raise all my alarms right quick to see one dragging a girl out of a store by her hair - which is what the Mom in this case seemed to be doing in one photo I saw.

[AmandaBrown23]

This is just another example of how well our children are protected. They are NOT! Thank god she lost it in Walmart and not at her home, who knows how bad it would have been then. That poor kid.

[concernedperson]

As appalling her actions and that of the grandmother I am eternally grateful that this was caught in public. Now, the little boy has a chance as I am sure this is not his first beating and the next one could have killed him. He has a chance at life now.

As for as Walmart's policies...well they can suck an egg as that is not how the public with compassion acts. I almost feel like wearing a banner that says "Proceed in Walmart With Your Life As No One Can Acknowledge A Kidnapping or Beating For Fear Of a Lawsuit". In fact, I am going to put my money where my mouth is and not shop at Walmart until they take responsibility for crimes taking place in their stores and calling authorities to help and acting as intermediaries until LE gets there.Hire trained security guards.Most big box stores have them and if Walmart wasn't so busy ripping off mom and pop stores all over the country they could possibly act as responsibly as other stores.

[Beyond Belief]

This could have gotten a lot worse than it was if these women had been confronted by customers. There is a real strong possibility one was carrying a weapon. Its pretty much common knowledge about Walmarts excellent security cameras so I would think these women don't care about anything. If they do something like this is public, I just wonder what goes on behind closed doors.

[Lady_Ford]

Okay, who watches something like this and instead of helping the poor kid, they whip out their cell and get a picture they immediantly get posted in the paper??!!:doh:

[SadieMae]

Okay, who watches something like this and instead of helping the poor kid, they whip out their cell and get a picture they immediantly get posted in the paper??!!:doh:
I know Lady Ford. Sad isn't it? Too bad none of us were there...she'd be knocked the h*ll out!

[Lady_Ford]

I know Lady Ford. Sad isn't it? Too bad none of us were there...she'd be knocked the h*ll out!


MOST DEFINANTLY!!!! :woohoo:

[SadieMae]

This could have gotten a lot worse than it was if these women had been confronted by customers. There is a real strong possibility one was carrying a weapon. Its pretty much common knowledge about Walmarts excellent security cameras so I would think these women don't care about anything. If they do something like this is public, I just wonder what goes on behind closed doors.
Good thing she wasn't in TX. I carry a weapon too. I can hear it now over the Walmart intercom..."clean up in aisle 7". It would be her.

[JanetElaine]

Good thing she wasn't in TX. I carry a weapon too. I can hear it now over the Walmart intercom..."clean up in aisle 7". It would be her.

I know this isn't a laughing matter, but that made me chuckle. :)

[JanetElaine]

Okay, who watches something like this and instead of helping the poor kid, they whip out their cell and get a picture they immediantly get posted in the paper??!!:doh:

I'm actually glad they took the picture. It's great evidence. I know I wouldn't just jump into a fight... I know my physical limitations - it wouldn't do any good and I would only get myself hurt. Maybe that's the same for the person who took the pic and gave the cops some great evidence.

[philamena]

CPS usually are understaffed, overworked and some are plain stupid and blind. More money needs to go into our programs and agencies that protect children...not GIVE billions to freakin' Mexico for their their drug problems.

SadieMae,
I agree with you.

[txsvicki]

I don't know the details of this monster's other murdered son, but I can't wonder if maybe the boyfriend really didn't do it.

[Bobbisangel]

That is awful! I wish someone would have stepped in to help the child. Sounds like both mom and grandma leave a lot to be desired, IMO.


I would have acted before even thinking and would have ran over and ripped the boy away from the mother. If she wanted to go a few rounds with a adult then so be it :furious:

[Mygirlsadie]

I don't know what race these people are and honestly I don't care. White,black,brown I could care less...Don't hurt your children or anybody elses children! If your a child abuser I have a problem with you...period! One time in Target a lady raised her arm up to back hand her little daughter who wasnt ''being quiet'' as her mother instructed and right before she went to pop her one the lady behind her grabbed her by her arm to stop her from hitting her child. The ''mother'' turned around and went APE CHIT on the lady (it turned into a HUGE scene). All I kept thinking about the whole time was thank God that lady was standing there to stop it.

[Lurker]

The article says the boy is now with family. WTF? It was his mother and grandmother that were beating him in Walmart. What makes CPS think his other family members are any better???

I was once in KMart with my mother. There was a woman in line behind us with a little girl. The little girl was playing a game and hiding behind her mother and not answering her. When her mother would move, she'd move and stay where she couldn't see her. My Mom and I were chuckling the whole time and the woman had to have heard us! Anyway, when the woman finally saw her daughter, she grabbed her by her arm and yanked her clear of the ground and shook her. I went nuts! My mother had to literally grab the back of my shirt. I can understand that the woman may have been in a panic but if I thought my son was missing and then found him, I'd grab him in a hug, I wouldn't try to dislocate his arm!

Also, the other day I was at the mall with my son. He has a choice, he can either sit in a stroller, hold my hand or hold my purse strap. We were walking down the mall and there's a little girl about 3ish drinking a soda, all by herself. I looked all around for anyone that was turning around or looking, anything, and saw NO one. Everyone was walking by like she wasn't there but they would take a couple steps to either side so they wouldn't bump into her. It was unbelievable! There was even a mall security guard standing at the Verizon both that didn't even notice. I went right up to him and said "Excuse me, can you go check on that little girl? She's all by herself and I don't see anyone looking for her" and then I stopped to make sure he did it. Her mother finally came back down the hall looking for her with 3 other kids. It was unreal!!! I was kind of afraid to approach her since I've gotten in "trouble" for doing that in the past.
I was in Sears and there was a little boy crying and calling for his mother so I took him by the hand to lead him to the cashier and his mother came running and accused me of trying to take him! LOL, if she only knew!

[Beyond Belief]

I now make a point of very loudly saying, "whose child is this", whenever I see a child without an adult. Say it loud enough and someone shows up real quick.

[Jeana (DP)]

Okay, who watches something like this and instead of helping the poor kid, they whip out their cell and get a picture they immediantly get posted in the paper??!!:doh:

Yes, but don't forget, they will also be used in her trial and it may be exactly what the judge needs to lock her away forever.

[southcitymom]

I'm actually glad they took the picture. It's great evidence. I know I wouldn't just jump into a fight... I know my physical limitations - it wouldn't do any good and I would only get myself hurt. Maybe that's the same for the person who took the pic and gave the cops some great evidence.

THis is exactly the way I feel!

[MissieMt]

As for as Walmart's policies...well they can suck an egg as that is not how the public with compassion acts. I almost feel like wearing a banner that says "Proceed in Walmart With Your Life As No One Can Acknowledge A Kidnapping or Beating For Fear Of a Lawsuit". In fact, I am going to put my money where my mouth is and not shop at Walmart until they take responsibility for crimes taking place in their stores and calling authorities to help and acting as intermediaries until LE gets there.Hire trained security guards.Most big box stores have them and if Walmart wasn't so busy ripping off mom and pop stores all over the country they could possibly act as responsibly as other stores.
I totally understand your concerns. I cant believe walmart has this policy. My husband worked at a walmart many years ago so I asked him about it. He said it is their policy that you can't get involved, you can only ask the people involved to stop!! I'm going to ask some people about it tonight.
I would love to say that I would boycott walmart because of this, but it is the only store around here-there are no "mom&pop" stores left after the hurricane, no Target stores, and the closest Kmart is 30 mins away. And of course, I work there-so I would be shooting myself in the foot.
I will say it again though-if something like this were to happen in my store you better believe I'd be in the unemployment office the next day because that is one policy I wont follow. I think many other Walmart employees would agree with me.

[imthemom]

CPS usually are understaffed, overworked and some are plain stupid and blind. More money needs to go into our programs and agencies that protect children...not GIVE billions to freakin' Mexico for their their drug problems.

Don't forget to pay for Iraq to be rebuilt and all the money we give to those countries that want to blow us up!!:waitasec:

[Jeana (DP)]

Let's stay on TOPIC please.

[sherri79]

cases like this are why they tell employees to do nothing. http://www.news4jax.com/news/13833509/detail.html

[KatK]

cases like this are why they tell employees to do nothing. http://www.news4jax.com/news/13833509/detail.html


:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: *blinkety* OMG! I'd sue too! :eek: :banghead:

I am glad that creature was caught, and I hope they do end up getting a life prison sentence. :behindbar :furious:

[Amraann]

cases like this are why they tell employees to do nothing. http://www.news4jax.com/news/13833509/detail.html

In a rare moment we will have to disagree..
cases like that show why the DNA pool should be culled.
Those people attacking him should have had some training!! ..
Legally they cannot attack him! EVEN if he walks out shoplifting!

The fact is that in order for Walmart to bring down prices such things are hardly taught well.

Where I live they will not give Walmart permitting in order to avoid the atrocities they commit..
My uncle built a Walmart and in the end Walmart tried to screw him and after months offered to pay pennies on the dollar...
My uncle having been in business for years knew their game and was not dependent on them in order to pay his sub-contractors..
Apparently this is a habit they have and smaller contractors go broke while waiting to be paid.

My uncle however... had the money to wait it out.. and Walmart paid every last cent plus interest and lawyers fees...
He documented every single cost plus order.. and the judge was furious!! ( at Walmart)
Slammed Wallyworld with a 7.5 million dollar order ...

Gosh we still have fun spending that money and laugh about it!!

I do not care what the policy is ...... To sit back and watch someone beat their child???
NO policy would ever stop me!
Actually in Florida it is now legal to use LETHAL force if you or someone else is in an apparent critical situation.

I would think this story would qualify.

[Marie]

Here is the mother's MySpace page - or should I say, here is the page of Tina Lynn Tatum, the Perfect *itch (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=120779104)?

[Txmom]

I was at a Taco Cabana here in Texas yesterday and I heard a father say to one of his kids something like..what are you doing? I told you to sit and wait for us, and you're jumping around. Then I heard a slap....the hair rose on my neck thinking of this case, and I was ready to spring into action if I heard another slap. The parents and 4 kids left before me, and I definately was checking him out and looking the kids over REALLY good to see if they ALL appeared to be healthy, etc. But everyone was leaving with a smile on their face, so I will assume that everything was ok.

[wildTrose]

I have no problem with a parent disciplinng their kids, even in public, Ive seen a few kids get a smack on their butt...usually they needed it, (its not abuse to discipline your kids)
Ive seen embarrassed, frustrated parents when their kids throw tantrums, most know how to handle the situation, this mom apparently did not and took it over the edge. I tend to watch parents during these situations to be prepared to step in if needed, this is one situation I would have stepped in to even if no one else did, this went way to far for no one to do anything physically to stop this woman....would everyone have just stood back had she pulled out a knife and began stabbing him?
yes, it was great people called 911 but someone should have stepped in and stopped her.

[GlitchWizard]

Good thing she wasn't in TX. I carry a weapon too. I can hear it now over the Walmart intercom..."clean up in aisle 7". It would be her.

I USUALLY roll my eyes when someone says what they "would have done" in the same situation - I know alot of big talkers who back down at the hint of actually doing something... but somehow... someway... I believe you! (Even if you had no weapon.)

I can't make sense of how you could NOT do something. I'm dissappointed there were "witnesses" since there should only be "hands on active participants" in the situation. :-)

[calus_3]

What has this damned world come to that someone didn't stop this?

I can tell you that nothing would have stopped me from getting between her and that child and then if she wanted to scrap with me, I'd have cleaned her clock.

Right is right....wrong is wrong.

Wal mart employees that stood and watched this should be ashamed. I don't need a policy to dictate to me what needs to be done.

Cal

[GlitchWizard]

What has this damned world come to that someone didn't stop this?

I can tell you that nothing would have stopped me from getting between her and that child and then if she wanted to scrap with me, I'd have cleaned her clock.

Right is right....wrong is wrong.

Wal mart employees that stood and watched this should be ashamed. I don't need a policy to dictate to me what needs to be done.

Cal

Can you imagine seeing it and even thinking "Hmm, wonder what store policy is on this one?"

[calus_3]

Can you imagine seeing it and even thinking "Hmm, wonder what store policy is on this one?"

Anyone fired for kicking her ass would have been on CNN/Foxnews that night and would have a primo job the next day.

Yeah yeah yeah, the big bad internet hero some say, but I guarantee you that if I see you bloodying your child up and dragging him around by the hair, you won't be doing it long.

Cal

[Amraann]

Can you imagine seeing it and even thinking "Hmm, wonder what store policy is on this one?"


Exactly!!!

[MissieMt]

Here is the mother's MySpace page - or should I say, here is the page of Tina Lynn Tatum, the Perfect *itch (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=120779104)?
Hmm, looks like someone hacked into my myspace and sent her a message expressing their disgust-amazing how those hackers work:D

[MsPooh]

Hmm, looks like someone hacked into my myspace and sent her a message expressing their disgust-amazing how those hackers work:D

I must be blind or slow, I didn't see what you were talking about..did you see that beautiful little boy??????How could they do that to him?!?!? I just do not understand at all...:mad:

[Taximom]

Hmm, looks like someone hacked into my myspace and sent her a message expressing their disgust-amazing how those hackers work:D

I wish I could see the comment that hacker left! :D Comments aren't appearing when I pull up her page.

Rats.

[jenni4jo]

Gosh, I think she might have just gotten another message at her myspace:cool:

[Mygirlsadie]

I believe ya Cal and i'm glad there are people like you around!! I don't understand why adults just walk by a situation like this because it's none of their buisness?! I don't care if its my buisness or not it's never ok to hurt a child. This little boy wasnt that little either he was already 9 years old? I can't imagine what his first 9 years were like... :mad:


Anyone fired for kicking her ass would have been on CNN/Foxnews that night and would have a primo job the next day.

Yeah yeah yeah, the big bad internet hero some say, but I guarantee you that if I see you bloodying your child up and dragging him around by the hair, you won't be doing it long.

Cal

[MissieMt]

Not a comment-a message guys!! You can only leave comments if you are a friend.

ETA: We had a girl last night who was probably 4 or 5 years old, boy could I hear her coming!! She started by whining for a toy, and in less than 5 minutes it was a full blown temper-tantrum, worse than I have EVER seen. I kept going back and forth-feeling bad for her, then her parents,lol. I just wanted to yell "Will somebody get this kid a damn toy!!" Her Dad ended up having to carry her out with her arms and legs flailing the whole way. If I had walked upon the situation at that point-I would have thought he was kidnapping her.

[GlitchWizard]

A mother and daughter were shopping at WalMart, the girl in the cart seat. The little girl reached out and grabbed something off a display and the mother said "We are almost done, Laura. Hang in there." The little girl wailed and cried when the Mom put the item back. A few minutes later, the kid stopped crying and kicked her Mom, saying she wanted to get out of the cart. The mom said "We're almost out of here, Laura. Just a few more minutes." The little girl screamed and pitched a fit. The Mom looked so tired as she got to the register. The little girl wasn't letting up and the Mom said "Laura, when you get home, you will have a nice bubble bath and a long nap - just hang in there a few more minutes."
The cashier said "Your daughter Laura is beautiful."
The Mother said "My daughter's name is Kaylie. I am Laura." :-)

[Amraann]

LOL Glitch!!

Seriously though Walmart is designed to be overwhelming.
They have spent billions of dollars on experts to design their stores so that people are more inclined to impulse buy.

Do you know how you feel after a Rock concert (even if you have not done drugs?) I swear Walmart can cause that same sensory overload.

[browneyes]

Gosh, I think she might have just gotten another message at her myspace:cool:

Hi jennie.....I haven't "seen" you in ages!! How are you? Isn't this just the saddest thing. :(

[GlitchWizard]

LOL Glitch!!

Seriously though Walmart is designed to be overwhelming.
They have spent billions of dollars on experts to design their stores so that people are more inclined to impulse buy.

Do you know how you feel after a Rock concert (even if you have not done drugs?) I swear Walmart can cause that same sensory overload.

I got to the counter at WalMart the night before last with over $200 of stuff I couldn't afford. I felt like I "woke up" when I wrote the check. Do you think it's the lighting? ha ha

[imthemom]

A mother and daughter were shopping at WalMart, the girl in the cart seat. The little girl reached out and grabbed something off a display and the mother said "We are almost done, Laura. Hang in there." The little girl wailed and cried when the Mom put the item back. A few minutes later, the kid stopped crying and kicked her Mom, saying she wanted to get out of the cart. The mom said "We're almost out of here, Laura. Just a few more minutes." The little girl screamed and pitched a fit. The Mom looked so tired as she got to the register. The little girl wasn't letting up and the Mom said "Laura, when you get home, you will have a nice bubble bath and a long nap - just hang in there a few more minutes."
The cashier said "Your daughter Laura is beautiful."
The Mother said "My daughter's name is Kaylie. I am Laura." :-)

That is funny, I feel this same way after shopping with my 2 1/2 year old just yesterday, in fact. She hates shopping and while in the mall will run and hide under clothes racks, feels the need to touch everything and screams when she does not get what she wants. She refuses to sit in her stroller and screams like a banchy when I make her. She was sitting in her stroller when we left but wouldn't let me buckle it and she tried to stand up, thankfully I wasn't going fast and she fell out. She just got up and looked at me all mad. This older couple looked at me as if I were the meanest person in the world. I told her that is why she needs to buckle but this child is so stubborn. Then she screamed in the car all the way to Wal-Mart from there because her blanket got wet from the rain and she wanted it washed right now! Good grief, I had to take a nap when I got home:)

[Mygirlsadie]

Wal-Mart is overwhelming that is soooo true! I thought it was just me..I can't be in there 20 minutes without starting to feel like i'm in a ''fog''. I miss the regular wal-marts before they all turned into super-centers! ( I could handle those lol)

[SewingDeb]

Glitch,

I love it! Kudos to all the Lauras out there.

My days of shopping with toddlers is over but I do recall several times when I had to take my out kicking and flailing. It take a lot of patience which this Tina woman and her mother don't seem to have.

[GlitchWizard]

Ah yes, I remember those days. My daughter kept kicking her boots off over and over when I was leaving for my Grandmother's house. It was snowy and BITTER cold. I picked up my kid and took her out there barefoot. By the time we got to my Grandmother's house... driving in a pickup that didn't have time to heat up... my daughter's feet were SO cold. (It was about a mile, driving.) I told her that's why I wanted her to keep her shoes on. When it was time to go home, she put them on HERSELF and I never had that issue again. :-)

(many MORE issues, but not that one!)

That is funny, I feel this same way after shopping with my 2 1/2 year old just yesterday, in fact. She hates shopping and while in the mall will run and hide under clothes racks, feels the need to touch everything and screams when she does not get what she wants. She refuses to sit in her stroller and screams like a banchy when I make her. She was sitting in her stroller when we left but wouldn't let me buckle it and she tried to stand up, thankfully I wasn't going fast and she fell out. She just got up and looked at me all mad. This older couple looked at me as if I were the meanest person in the world. I told her that is why she needs to buckle but this child is so stubborn. Then she screamed in the car all the way to Wal-Mart from there because her blanket got wet from the rain and she wanted it washed right now! Good grief, I had to take a nap when I got home:)

[sleuthin4fun]

Wal-Mart is overwhelming that is soooo true! I thought it was just me..I can't be in there 20 minutes without starting to feel like i'm in a ''fog''. I miss the regular wal-marts before they all turned into super-centers! ( I could handle those lol)

Walmart doesn't bother me near as much as Meijer. We my last baby was born my mother and I took him (1month) and my 3 1/2 yo to a Meijer grand opening. Talk about over load there was something really odd about the lighting and the smell in that place. We were there about 5 minutes and I looked at my mom and said "I have to get out of here." That was 11 years ago and I have never been in Meijer again. I have not ever had that reaction to a store before or since. It was really weird.

[Taximom]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
A mother and daughter were shopping at WalMart, the girl in the cart seat. The little girl reached out and grabbed something off a display and the mother said "We are almost done, Laura. Hang in there." The little girl wailed and cried when the Mom put the item back. A few minutes later, the kid stopped crying and kicked her Mom, saying she wanted to get out of the cart. The mom said "We're almost out of here, Laura. Just a few more minutes." The little girl screamed and pitched a fit. The Mom looked so tired as she got to the register. The little girl wasn't letting up and the Mom said "Laura, when you get home, you will have a nice bubble bath and a long nap - just hang in there a few more minutes."
The cashier said "Your daughter Laura is beautiful."
The Mother said "My daughter's name is Kaylie. I am Laura." :-)

That's funny, Glitch.

[2sisters]

I loathe taking my kids to walmart. It immediatley incites a meltdown in them. But I have never and will never resort to beating the tar out of them in the store.

[Amraann]

I got to the counter at WalMart the night before last with over $200 of stuff I couldn't afford. I felt like I "woke up" when I wrote the check. Do you think it's the lighting? ha ha

I think its everything!!!
I know that Walmart can easily overwelm Richie.

[imthemom]

Ah yes, I remember those days. My daughter kept kicking her boots off over and over when I was leaving for my Grandmother's house. It was snowy and BITTER cold. I picked up my kid and took her out there barefoot. By the time we got to my Grandmother's house... driving in a pickup that didn't have time to heat up... my daughter's feet were SO cold. (It was about a mile, driving.) I told her that's why I wanted her to keep her shoes on. When it was time to go home, she put them on HERSELF and I never had that issue again. :-)

(many MORE issues, but not that one!)

God love, em. I had a lady turn to me in CVS the other day while my DD was having a fit because I wouldn't let her have candy because we were going out to eat lunch, and she said but she is really cute and I said it is a good thing because otherwise no one would probably like her. ;) Glad she laughed.

[Amraann]

God love, em. I had a lady turn to me in CVS the other day while my DD was having a fit because I wouldn't let her have candy because we were going out to eat lunch, and she said but she is really cute and I said it is a good thing because otherwise no one would probably like her. ;) Glad she laughed.

HAHHAAHAH !!

I've told people before that looks are deceiving!

On the flip side of this story are people who just approach you and say rude things for no reason at all.

My now 18 Yo was about 3 and very attached to her pacifier. (I never forced the issue as I believe it would have only made matters worse)

So we are grocery shopping and had been for quit sometime... somehow her pacifier was at the bottom of about 200$ worth of groceries..
There was simply no way for me to get it until we checked out and we only had a few items left to shop for.

She was having a doozy of a fit and I said to her ...(not yelling AT ALL)
Ariel, enough. There is nothing we can do until we check out.. now stop it.
She persisted so I said .. OK if you don't hush right now then I am not giving it back until we get home.. .
Again I did not yell at all and this was not beyond the scope of her comprehension. I was very calm the entire time I never even as much as raised my voice or took a stern tone.
She was settling down and this women who had been on the isle actually had the nerve to come up to me and tell me I was being abusive!

I was like "what????" How is telling her no abusive exactly?

So I take a step closer to her and loud enough for her to hear but not my 3 YO I said "Lady your crazy and you need to shut the F **** up ..telling a child no is not abusive nor is teaching her that sometimes you have to wait. LOON!"

[Txmom]

Im chuckling reading these stories and its nice to see that I wasnt the only one with a demanding child. When my now 21 year old son was around 6-7 he wanted a gun from the toy department. I told him no, not today. He insisted and even put it into the basket (at Walmart), watching him do that I reminded him that even though it was in the basket, I was not buying the gun. Finished getting whatever we needed and when we got to the checkout I told the girl that I was not buying the gun, my son almost pulled me over by pulling on my purse, and when we were walking to the car, he tried to kick me in the backside for not buying him the gun, I grabbed what I could of the top of his head and guided him back to the car we then proceeded in having a talk ....he informed me that he wanted to go to the police station and charge me with child abuse. I almost laughed out loud. After I got my wits together, I told him that yes I agree with him that we should go to the PD and that I would file charges against him for parent abuse. He decided that maybe we should not go. Talking to him I found out found out that our pediatrician came to the school and discussed child abuse with the kids. Needless to say, we had an appointment with the good dr. the following week, and we (my son and I) discussed the gun incident with him. The good dr set him straight, and believe it or not he really ended up being a very good kid and to this day I really dont have any problems with him.

[imthemom]

HAHHAAHAH !!

I've told people before that looks are deceiving!

On the flip side of this story are people who just approach you and say rude things for no reason at all.

My now 18 Yo was about 3 and very attached to her pacifier. (I never forced the issue as I believe it would have only made matters worse)

So we are grocery shopping and had been for quit sometime... somehow her pacifier was at the bottom of about 200$ worth of groceries..
There was simply no way for me to get it until we checked out and we only had a few items left to shop for.

She was having a doozy of a fit and I said to her ...(not yelling AT ALL)
Ariel, enough. There is nothing we can do until we check out.. now stop it.
She persisted so I said .. OK if you don't hush right now then I am not giving it back until we get home.. .
Again I did not yell at all and this was not beyond the scope of her comprehension. I was very calm the entire time I never even as much as raised my voice or took a stern tone.
She was settling down and this women who had been on the isle actually had the nerve to come up to me and tell me I was being abusive!

I was like "what????" How is telling her no abusive exactly?

So I take a step closer to her and loud enough for her to hear but not my 3 YO I said "Lady your crazy and you need to shut the F **** up ..telling a child no is not abusive nor is teaching her that sometimes you have to wait. LOON!"

Loons right, I would have had my kids taken away a long time ago if "no"was abuse. I can just tune it out, she will be screaming and having a fit and I will just act like it isn't happening, my mom can't believe I can do this, she always just gives her whatever to make her happy:), that is part of the problem good ol memaw!!