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Annasmom
08-17-2007, 04:47 PM
Annasunc has suggested that one of us do a weekly update for the Forum, so I'll start out as of Aug. 17, 2007:
We have contacted a private investigator who worked on Anna's case early on and are awaiting information from her. Annasunc has approached the forensic artist at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children about producing a high-school age progression of Anna which might be posted on Classmates and other sites. Cubby's "Miscellaneous" thread has a good design for personalized postage stamps and other ways to get the word out. I have written LE, requesting that they try to obtain passport information, if any, on Anna. Sherlock is working on material for www.searchingforanna.com, at Annasunc's request. Doogie and I are working on the manuscript SFA with the idea of having it printed, and Doogie has found a good source for doing that.
Jodibug
08-17-2007, 05:13 PM
Annasmom- I haven't posted in this forum much lately, but you are still very much on my mind.
Thank you for the update and I wish you luck in your continued search.
InterestedNHelping
08-17-2007, 05:36 PM
The high school aged progression would be so very excellent, maybe Classmates.com would run a cover picture of the childhood pic and progression side by side on their cover, and maybe ask "who knows me"! That would get massive leads from everywhere if someone might have some sort of "in" with Classmates...or know how to approach it so that they are not turned away, or overwhelmed with too much info....just an idea...the pic would be wonderful!
mfmangel1
08-19-2007, 03:26 PM
Annasmom- I haven't posted in this forum much lately, but you are still very much on my mind.
Thank you for the update and I wish you luck in your continued search.
Same here.
I feel as though I am just sitting here, twiddeling my thumbs, while everyone else is working on something worthwhile!
I need to be able to contribute some effort here.
Annasmom
08-19-2007, 06:15 PM
Same here.
I feel as though I am just sitting here, twiddeling my thumbs, while everyone else is working on something worthwhile!
I need to be able to contribute some effort here.
Believe me, your support is really a valuable contribution.
Annasmom
08-25-2007, 02:03 PM
Anna Lookalikes: An Italian adoptee searching for her birthparents was contacted and given the web page address, but did not respond. A new look-alike spotted through Gina's MySpace has come up. The singer named Anna Waters in Australia asks that she not be sent any more e-mails. She's not our girl.
The manuscript Searching for Anna: I re-sent the May letters asking for permission to quote the SFChronicle, HMB Review and "The Fantasticks", having received no answer.
Itsreenw knows a forensic artist who may be willing to give us a high-school-age rendering of Anna for posting on Classmates, etc. The artist at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is willing to do this, but they are fairly swamped at the time, with only three artists on staff.
SherlockJr is writing the stories of the adoptees reunited with their birth families in the course of our search. The idea is to post these on searchingforanna.com.
Several old-timers checked back in to the Forum this week, and several others kindly offered to continue investigating possible Unidentifieds.
AND...The DrDoogie Fan Club was inaugurated.
Dr. Doogie
08-27-2007, 12:51 PM
...The DrDoogie Fan Club was inaugurated.
T-shirts will be available shortly. :liar:
SherlockJr
08-28-2007, 12:42 PM
Annasunc has updated the website www.searchingforanna.com (http://www.searchingforanna.com). Looking good! Have we set a deadline for the completion of the manuscript?
Annasmom
08-31-2007, 05:33 PM
1. At the suggestion of Gerald Nance at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the San Mateo Sheriff's office was asked to contact Interpol to request that Washington put a "yellow notice" in files of Greece and Italy. This apparently alerts Interpol to the possibility of an abduction from the U.S.
2. SherlockJr's adoption stories have been posted on www.searchingforanna.com. Read and be amazed!
3. Kelly (ProjectJason) checked in and gave us some encouraging words. Sherlock is looking into getting some "missing" buttons mentioned on Kelly's web site.
4.iNTERESTED WOMAN has posted a photo album at http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w...ories19782.jpg.
5. Doogie and I are attempting to get the book, Searching for Anna, published in time for Anna's 40th birthday September 25. We'll keep you posted.
If I've forgotten anything, please do add it to this thread! Happy Labor Day weekend!
AmandaBrown23
09-04-2007, 06:34 PM
I sure hope you find her. Cases like this eat me up.
Annasmom
09-07-2007, 11:22 PM
I can't believe a whole week has gone by. Gina's video and the application papers and permissions were submitted to the International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children's YouTube video channel. Their information says they will investigate the authenticity of the case and get back to us. At our request, the genius forensic artist Steve at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children produced an age-advanced picture of Anna at approximately age 18 which might be compared to school yearbook pictures. June Morall, a San Mateo County historian, promised to post Anna's story on her web pages at http://halfmoonbaymemories.com/ I haven't yet seen this story, which was requested by Nancy, an interested party in Canada. SherlockJr has reunited yet another adoptee searching for birth parents. No answer to all those letters requesting permission to reprint various texts in Searching for Anna.
Annasmom
09-09-2007, 10:11 PM
. June Morall, a San Mateo County historian, promised to post Anna's story on her web pages at http://halfmoonbaymemories.com/ I haven't yet seen this story, which was requested by Nancy, an interested party in Canada. Apparently the story was there briefly, but has since been taken down. We do not know why.
Annasmom
09-14-2007, 03:42 PM
In Searching for Anna, I wrote "No trace of her has ever been found, though we found many other things while looking." In the current Sierra Nevada search for the missing pilot Steve Fossett, dozens if not hundreds of other crashed small planes have been found as of this writing. Our own search seems to be at a standstill (no posts on the forum for more than a week, no answers to letters regarding permissions for the manuscript, no word from LE.) I need to think of all the things we HAVE found in our search. Ruling out hundreds of possibile scenarios, individuals, and paths has been reassuring to the family. There is no way we could have investigated all this on our own, and we will always be deeply grateful to Doogie and to WebSleuths for stepping in here.
There are a few things pending. The writer at Half Moon Bay Memories intends to re-post the story about Anna on her excellent and fascinating site. She did not realize that I was still living in the area and that I could clarify some points in the story (an Internet contact in Canada had sent her the information.) An individual associated with a national group dedicated to the families of people suffering from mental illness offered to contact an acquaintance who has done prize-winning documentaries. She believes the search would make a good film, and of course I agree.
A Google search on "Anna Christian Waters" brings up more than 500 items. I have been checking these as I am able, to make sure that the information is accurate and that the site is reputable. I particularly want to look at sites which are soliciting donations. One of these checks resulted in a story full of errors being taken down. Publicizing the wrong information is worse than no media coverage at all, as we learned from the first local newspaper story about Anna's disappearance. The physical description was wrong, and in the interest of sensationalism, the story suggested (with no evidence at all) that Anna had drowned in Purisima Creek. This was the primary reason that no other possibilities were followed up at the time, and that many people were surprised to learn about three years ago, when our intensive Internet-assisted search got under way, that LE considered Anna's case a probable stranger abduction.
One very suspicious site (puella) which still comes up on Google has been taken off line. I would appreciate it if anyone reading this would help me by occasionally checking in to some of these sites to make sure they are on the up-and-up.
These updates, by the way, are also posted (as are SherlockJr's amazing adoption stories) on www.searchingforanna.com.
Dr. Doogie
09-14-2007, 05:44 PM
... One very suspicious site (puella) which still comes up on Google has been taken off line...
From what I understand about this site, it is still online, but has been "abandoned" by its owner. In other words, no one will update it or remove it until the prepaid period of hosting is completed, then it will disappear into cyber-purgatory (hopefully never to return again). Bon voyage, scumbag.
Cubby
09-14-2007, 07:19 PM
A Google search on "Anna Christian Waters" brings up more than 500 items. I have been checking these as I am able, to make sure that the information is accurate and that the site is reputable. I particularly want to look at sites which are soliciting donations. One of these checks resulted in a story full of errors being taken down. Publicizing the wrong information is worse than no media coverage at all, as we learned from the first local newspaper story about Anna's disappearance. The physical description was wrong, and in the interest of sensationalism, the story suggested (with no evidence at all) that Anna had drowned in Purisima Creek. This was the primary reason that no other possibilities were followed up at the time, and that many people were surprised to learn about three years ago, when our intensive Internet-assisted search got under way, that LE considered Anna's case a probable stranger abduction.
One very suspicious site (puella) which still comes up on Google has been taken off line. I would appreciate it if anyone reading this would help me by occasionally checking in to some of these sites to make sure they are on the up-and-up.
These updates, by the way, are also posted (as are SherlockJr's amazing adoption stories) on www.searchingforanna.com. (http://www.searchingforanna.com.)
I would be happy to do this. How many pages have you made it through, or should I start from the end and work forward not to duplicate the work.
I'd be happy to help with anything else too. Just ask, you Annasmom, or anyone here for that matter. If I can I will.
Annasmom
09-14-2007, 07:51 PM
I would be happy to do this. How many pages have you made it through, or should I start from the end and work forward not to duplicate the work.
I'd be happy to help with anything else too. Just ask, you Annasmom, or anyone here for that matter. If I can I will. Cubby, thank you. The Google results seem to change all the time, so it would be great if you could just start at the beginning. You'll know the sources which are OK, so you can just skip them.
Cubby
09-15-2007, 03:06 AM
Cubby, thank you. The Google results seem to change all the time, so it would be great if you could just start at the beginning. You'll know the sources which are OK, so you can just skip them.
Will do.
Cubby
09-19-2007, 03:51 AM
I went through Google for "anna christian waters" and 38 sites came up before the standard repeat of similiar sites message appeared. For "Anna Waters" I was able to search a total of 333 links before the same message appeared. Nothing unusual stood out which wasn't previously mentioned. The peulla site indicated a message web site can not be displayed.
SherlockJr
09-19-2007, 03:56 AM
I went through Google for "anna christian waters" and 38 sites came up before the standard repeat of similiar sites message appeared. For "Anna Waters" I was able to search a total of 333 links before the same message appeared. Nothing unusual stood out which wasn't previously mentioned. The peulla site indicated a message web site can not be displayed.
Cubby, I signed up for the google alerts. Anytime "Anna Waters" or "Anna Christian Waters" is added to a website or blog, google sends me an e-mail immediately.
Annasmom
09-19-2007, 11:55 AM
I went through Google for "anna christian waters" and 38 sites came up before the standard repeat of similiar sites message appeared. For "Anna Waters" I was able to search a total of 333 links before the same message appeared. Nothing unusual stood out which wasn't previously mentioned. The peulla site indicated a message web site can not be displayed. Thank you so much for doing this, Cubby. I kept thinking it should be done, but I could never get through the list before something interrupted me.
Jeana (DP)
09-19-2007, 01:32 PM
I received an email and was asked to post it:
From: sydnei mcgowan:
>> hi, my name is sydnei mcgowan. i was looking on the doe network, and
>> there is a girl, that was found in new york, in 1979. her picture
>> looks an awful lot like the rendition of anna waters. on the
>> network, they say the possible dates of birth for the jane is
>> 1958-1967.. i know anna waters was born in 1967.. it has probably
>> been checked before, but just in case it hasn't here is the case #
>> 1vfny. i am probably way off. and totally wrong, but i thought it
>> wouldn't hurt to take a look. hopefully one day her family will have
>> some sort of closure. i could absolutley not imagine if one of my
>> children were missing, that has to be the hardest thing to live
>> through.
>> sydnei mcgowan
SherlockJr
09-19-2007, 01:39 PM
Thank you Sydnei for submitting this tip to Jeana. I believe this is the same young girl that a relative of Annasmom also suggested. I don't remember the exact reason this girl was ruled out. And thank you Jeana for forwarding this tip from interested parties reading the forum.
Dr. Doogie
09-19-2007, 02:25 PM
Is this Caledonia Jane Doe?
iNTERESTEDWOMAN
09-19-2007, 03:18 PM
Is this Caledonia Jane Doe?
Caledonia UID is the only female listed in NY for 1979. You originally said she was ruled out, but Annasmom couldn't remember how. She matches Anna very well IMO. I have written and called NYPD several times over the last few months, and no one can verify if her DNA has been entered into CODIS.
Every e-mail comes back with this:
Re: UID # CR 138159 Caledonia, NY
NYSVICAP@troopers.state.ny.us
Lori, we will forward your information to the investigating agency. Thank you for your interest. Inv. Kim Law, NYS ViCAP
Annasmom
09-19-2007, 03:38 PM
Caledonia UID is the only female listed in NY for 1979. You originally said she was ruled out, but Annasmom couldn't remember how. She matches Anna very well IMO. I have written and called NYPD several times over the last few months, and no one can verify if her DNA has been entered into CODIS.
Every e-mail comes back with this:
Re: UID # CR 138159 Caledonia, NY
NYSVICAP@troopers.state.ny.us
Lori, we will forward your information to the investigating agency. Thank you for your interest. Inv. Kim Law, NYS ViCAP I don't remember the details, but this poor girl was ascertained to be Hispanic and one guess was that she may have been a migrant farmworker, or the child of one. At any rate, she was definitely ruled out. There are earlier posts on the forum. Thanks for the post, however. We need to look everywhere we can.
Annasmom
09-22-2007, 08:16 PM
This week SherlockJr posted pages of a pocket calendar GW used in spring of 1970. There has been a lively response by the Forum to a number of questions raised by the notes in this day book. Cubby reviewed hundreds of search engine listings with Anna's name and found no unauthorized sites. I still have had no answers to four letters sent out for the second time regarding permissions to reprint. Without permissions, we might have to revise the manuscript to omit the Chronicle and Half Moon Review articles and two other quotes from copyrighted material. Also, no answers to my letters about Interpol and passports. June Morrall (halfmoonbaymemories.com) has put Anna's picture and two stories in her blog.
Annasmom
09-29-2007, 01:24 PM
WebSleuth members posted greetings for Anna's 40th birthday September 25, and a birthday surprise engineered by Nancy, Sherlock and AnnasUnc was the news that Anna will be included in a television broadcast the week of Nov. 5. The link for finding times of the broadcast (mostly at late night/eary morning hours) is http://www.usamissing.com/findus.htm#S. AnnasUnc updated the Press section of www.searchingforanna.com with background, photographs and biographical material. Members who posted on the forum this week, mostly about information in the Box From Hell, were Rhett, Cubby, smile22, DrDoogie, AnnasUnc, MagicRose 99, GraceBlue, InterestedWoman, SherlockJr, Dellemma, Gina_M, laini, drema and tinytown.
Annasmom
10-05-2007, 01:45 PM
AnnasUnc and I are working on the timeline from 1973 to the present for www.searchingforanna.com. June Morrall has posted another bit about Anna with pictures on her web site. Doogie and SherlockJr are following up on two suggestions made through their MySpace sites, and two individuals have contributed to the Lulu fund. Doogie is making headway on the last part of the manuscript. We hope to have everything in place before Jan. 16, so I am reminding you to write to Oprah if you have not already done so. Posting on the Forum this week were Cubby, smile22, GraceBlue, AnnasUnc, MagicRose99 and DrDoogie.
iNTERESTEDWOMAN
10-05-2007, 06:03 PM
What is the LuLu fund?
Dr. Doogie
10-05-2007, 06:54 PM
What is the LuLu fund?
It is a fund established to cover the start-up expenses for publishing the book. There are fees to get an ISBN number, plus expenses to be involved in a marketing package that will get us listed with Amazon.com. Lulu is the name of the publishing company.
We have pretty much all the funds we will need to get this started. The donors have been family members and close friends - Annasmom has insisted since the beginning of our internet search that no solicitation of funds in Anna's name occur. When these kind folks heard of the need, they volunteered the funds.
raindrops300
10-07-2007, 11:04 PM
Would you please repost the info for writing to Oprah? Or direct me to the thread with the info.
Thanks.
Annasmom
10-08-2007, 02:44 AM
Would you please repost the info for writing to Oprah? Or direct me to the thread with the info.
Thanks.
AnnasUnc posted this on Sept. 25:
I worked in TV news for 25 years, and while organized letter writing campaigns usually had very little effect on our news coverage, I'd like to make a suggestion here. Oprah's producers solicit show suggestions on her Web site, and if you think Anna's case and the Websleuths efforts would make a good program for her (understandably, their primary concern), you can let the show producers know that by going to the Web site (www.oprah.com, then to the box that says "Be on the Show -- Share Your Story," and then the column "Regular Features -- We Want Your Show Idea"). You'll have 2000 characters to make your case. It's important that they don't get a lot of similarly-worded e-mails, so I'd suggest the following:
1. How and why has Anna's case touched you? You might want to mention what it is in your background that brought you to this forum.
2. If you want to mention how you've contributed to the search and this forum, that would help your letter stand out as an individual and sincere contribution, and not just a part of an organized campaign.
3. It's OK to mention Websleuths "Anna Christian Waters" forum, the searchingforanna.com Web site, that today is Anna's 40th birthday, and that two good dates for such a program are the 35th anniversary of Anna's disappearance (Jan. 16, 2008) and the 25th anniversary of President Reagan's proclamation of National Missing Children's Day (May 25, 2008).
Thanks for listening.
browneyedgirl
10-11-2007, 04:19 PM
You can also e-mail Nancy Grace and Dateline. according to their websites, they are both looking for new show ideas. I think it would be wonderful to get Anna's story on the air withany of the above mentioned shows,especially Dateline.
Just some thoughts,
Annasmom
10-12-2007, 03:00 PM
SherlockJr has ordered bumper stickers which Forum members may obtain free by sending a self-addressed stamped envelope to Annasmom. We'll post the address when the stickers arrive. We have had feedback, some of it from Europe, to MySpace and YouTube sites about Anna. AnnasUnc is expanding the Press information on www.searchingforanna.com. Members posting this week included Gina_M, browneyedgirl, raindrops300, Dr.Doogie, iNTERESTEDWOMAN, InterestedNHelping, smile22,SherlockJr and GraceBlue.
browneyedgirl
10-12-2007, 03:15 PM
I sent an e-mail to the Nancy Grace and Dateline shows. How about also sending one to 48 hours mystery?
Dr. Doogie
10-12-2007, 03:50 PM
How about also sending one to 48 hours mystery?
48HM only does shows on cases that have been solved. Without going into too many details, they are aware of Anna's case. When we solve the case, they will be a good one to approach.
mfmangel1
10-13-2007, 02:04 AM
I am all for contacting the Oprah show with the details of what we have personally done on this case and what others have also done.
It is now time to call the world' attention to this little girl that has slipped though everyone's fingers.
We can and will bring her back.
I hope Oprah will require extra staff to read the letters from us!
We and little Anna (yes, we are aware that she probably is not little now).
need so much help as it seems that for every few strides we make in a positive direction, we are turned into a different and incorrect direction. There are even some people that could easily help us at this poiunt, but have refused to do so.
mysteriew
10-16-2007, 07:18 PM
I sent one into Oprah. One thing I didn't do because I didn't have the link handy was to send in the link to the slide show. IMO, it would be a good idea to do so. It is one thing to read the story- but pictures just seem to make it more real.
Gina_M
10-17-2007, 05:18 AM
I sent one into Oprah. One thing I didn't do because I didn't have the link handy was to send in the link to the slide show. IMO, it would be a good idea to do so. It is one thing to read the story- but pictures just seem to make it more real.
That's a great idea, or maybe link them to the official website http://www.searchingforanna.com/ since that has a summary of all the relevant links and info. I want to type something up for Oprah too...I'll try to make time for that this week.
browneyedgirl
10-17-2007, 01:10 PM
48HM only does shows on cases that have been solved. Without going into too many details, they are aware of Anna's case. When we solve the case, they will be a good one to approach.
Thanks, Dr.Doogie -:blowkiss: I wasn't aware of that. I wish they would do an up to date version of Unsolved Mysteries. I would love to get Anna's case, as well as the murder of my uncle, which to date has never been investigated.
Gina_M
10-17-2007, 04:12 PM
I wish they would do a new edition of Unsolved Mysteries too. That must have been my all time favorite show. Actually I think they should make a whole separate channel just for the missing and other unsolved crimes. Why not - everything else has its own channel now, from game shows to cooking shows :)
browneyedgirl
10-17-2007, 04:20 PM
I wish they would do a new edition of Unsolved Mysteries too. That must have been my all time favorite show. Actually I think they should make a whole separate channel just for the missing and other unsolved crimes. Why not - everything else has its own channel now, from game shows to cooking shows :)
I'm with you, Gina. I wish they would dedicate a tv channel to all the unsolved murder/missing cases. I know I probably would abandon all other channels from my tv.;)
laini
10-17-2007, 05:36 PM
48HM only does shows on cases that have been solved. Without going into too many details, they are aware of Anna's case. When we solve the case, they will be a good one to approach.
This is what I thought. So I was surprised last Saturday night when they showed an usolved case. Now I can't remember what it was. Did anyone else see it?
laini
10-17-2007, 05:42 PM
This is what I thought. So I was surprised last Saturday night when they showed an usolved case. Now I can't remember what it was. Did anyone else see it?
I just checked and 48 Hours last week was about two unsolved murders in New Orleans - a musician and a film maker. Still unsolved. I have always liked how they follow the mystery and then end with the trial and the "innocent" murderer interviews proclaiming their innocense. But it will be good if they start showing unsolved cases.
Dr. Doogie
10-17-2007, 06:01 PM
They may have changed their format or felt that there was some compelling reason to do those two stories. I do know that when I spoke to a producer for that show earlier this year, he stated that they only featured concluded cases. Its too bad, because they do a great job and could really do Anna's story justice.
Annasunc
10-19-2007, 04:22 PM
I'll follow up on this and see what I can find out, but it might take awhile. I'm hoping CBS "Sunday Morning" might be interested as we get closer to the publication date of the book. Cubby's suggestion in the Media thread about "Without a Trace" was also excellent. Other ideas, anyone?
Annasmom
10-19-2007, 09:42 PM
Today I visited with Arlene, the friend who with her husband and toddler visited us on the day Anna disappeared. For some reason, I had never asked her what she remembered from that day. She teared up as she said “Yes, I do remember.” She and her husband and their 16-month-old baby drove from San Francisco to Purisima Canyon to visit on Jan. 16, 1973. She remembered her husband chatting with Anna in the living room and remembered that Anna had wanted to go outside, and that I had not wanted her to. She remembered something about a red coat. She said that on the way home, her toddler had seemed unresponsive to her and she was worried about him. Possibly because of this, she does not recall anything about the traffic and does not remember seeing the white van which a later visitor mentioned. She doesn’t remember anything unusual about the drive down the country road and up the Coast Highway to the city. She believes they were driving an old Mercedes her husband had fixed up.
An hour or two after they arrived home, she had a call from S, our neighbor at the farm, saying that Anna was missing and asking if Arlene would check her car to make sure Anna hadn’t hidden in the car. Though it seemed unlikely if not impossible, Arlene said, she checked the car, almost hoping that Anna had hidden away and that she would find her.
“I remember how upset you were when you found that she didn’t wear her coat,” Arlene said.
Her husband (now ex) rented a wetsuit and came back the next day to go through the creek. He spent several days with other divers, searching Purisima Creek.
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The Searchingforanna.com bumper stickers have arrived, courtesy of SherlockJr, and anyone who sends a self-addressed business-size stamped envelope (first class, 41 cents) to Annasmom, Box 370462, Montara, CA 94037, may have one for free.
Doogie and I are working toward meeting our deadline for publishing the book, Searching for Anna, with Lulu. SherlockJr has heard from another adoptee she helped reunite with her birth parents. Posting on WebSleuths this week were Dr.Doogie, laini, PaulaKay, SherlockJr, GraceBlue, Cubby, Gina_M, browneyedgirl, mfangel1, mysteriew and AnnasUnc.
Dr. Doogie
10-23-2007, 07:14 PM
Annasmom has changed her email address (she finally got broadband), but she has not been able to post here. She and I are working to get it worked out with the admins, but she cannot post in the meantime.
Gina_M
10-23-2007, 08:13 PM
Thanks Dr. Doogie. Do you know if she was able to get in touch with Lisa Montes to have Anna featured in the Squeaky Wheel concert on Sunday? I sent her the info in a pm so I'm not sure if she has access to that now.
Annasmom
10-24-2007, 03:22 AM
Thanks Dr. Doogie. Do you know if she was able to get in touch with Lisa Montes to have Anna featured in the Squeaky Wheel concert on Sunday? I sent her the info in a pm so I'm not sure if she has access to that now.
Gina, I'm back. I sent Lisa an e-mail as soon as I got your PM, but I haven't heard back from her. I'm not sure what I needed to do other than to say it was fine with me, that I'd appreciate her featuring Anna in her concert.
GraceBlue
10-26-2007, 05:53 PM
Annasmom-
I think it is so neat you are still in touch with a lot of people you knew around the time Anna disappeared!
Is there a way you can get in touch with Arlene's ex-husband (wasn't his name Asya?) Just so you can get everyone's version of the story. He may have seen something while driving home?
Also, you said Arlene checked her car to see if Anna was hiding in there. Did anyone (other than Craig) check Craig's car?
Dr. Doogie
10-26-2007, 06:32 PM
Is there a way you can get in touch with Arlene's ex-husband (wasn't his name Asya?) Just so you can get everyone's version of the story. He may have seen something while driving home?
I believe that he currently lives in Crete - it may be difficult to locate him. Annasmom can provide more details about his whereabouts.
Also, you said Arlene checked her car to see if Anna was hiding in there. Did anyone (other than Craig) check Craig's car?
Annasmom can answer about who may have looked in Craig's car, but keep in mind that Craig was there for hours after Anna disappeared assisting with the search. If Anna had accidently gotten herself locked in his trunk, someone would have surely heard her yells. And as for the possibilty that Craig may incapacitated her and hid her in his trunk, the same problem arises - his car was smack dab in the middle of a major police search and sat there for such a period of time that someone would eventually heard her cries. And as for a worst case hypothesis, Craig arrives, immediately kills Anna and hides her body in his trunk: Why? This obviously doesn't fit with anything known about Craig and his history.
There is no record of any violence or deviance associated with Craig. And considering that he would have then, after commiting such a horrible act, calmly sat down and visited with Annasmom and Joe, then stayed for hours searching for Anna. Craig would have to have been one very cool customer - even to the point of maintaining a friendship with the family for another decade.
Craig, as the last person who we can verify as seeing Anna, is someone who is worth a look, but the evidence honestly doesn't point in his direction. I think he was someone who just happened to be there when something awful happened.
Dr. Doogie
10-26-2007, 07:14 PM
BTW: We are hoping to contact Craig very soon and see if there is anything that he may recall from that day that has slipped through the cracks. Stay tuned...
GraceBlue
10-26-2007, 10:13 PM
Thanks for your answers Doogie!
I agree Craig is probably just someone who was at the wrong place in the wrong time. I didnt realize he stayed there for hours after Anna disappeared, that was why I was asking if anyone had searched his car. He just happened to be the last person who saw Anna. I really really think its a great idea to locate him because he may remember something nobody remembers and it could be important for this case! I hope he is located soon!
SherlockJr
10-27-2007, 10:56 AM
I received my bumper sticker in the mail yesterday and placed it on my car immediately. I placed it at eye level of anyone sitting in a car behind me. The colors of the sticker match the colors at searchingforanna website.
Please send your self addressed stamped envelope to:
Annasmom
Box 370462
Montara, CA 94037
Gina_M
10-31-2007, 06:19 AM
A Google search on "Anna Christian Waters" brings up more than 500 items. I have been checking these as I am able, to make sure that the information is accurate and that the site is reputable.
I've been compiling my own list of missing persons websites, and just now I came across one, created by a fellow Websleuther, that has an entry about Anna with one or two inaccuracies. Here's the link:
http://missingme.2007.angelfire.com/anna_waters.html
First, a small inaccuracy - Anna's half brother is described as her step brother. Second, there is a reference to Anna's father and his "homosexual lover". While this has been speculated upon, I didn't think Anna's family would want it stated as fact in a description of the case. I was not sure how Anna's family would want to approach this with the website owner, so I thought I would post it here.
Just noticed another thing - it mentions the couple in the car driving alongside Anna as she played in the yard. I thought she was out for a walk with her brothers? The wording also seems to imply that the couple in the car were seen on the same day Anna disappeared, instead of a month earlier.
P.S. In case anyone's confused about the title of the website that comes up (they mainly deal with the unidentified), this is in their "Missing Persons Spotlight" section.
Annasmom
10-31-2007, 12:00 PM
I've been compiling my own list of missing persons websites, and just now I came across one, created by a fellow Websleuther, that has an entry about Anna with one or two inaccuracies. Here's the link:
http://missingme.2007.angelfire.com/anna_waters.html
First, a small inaccuracy - Anna's half brother is described as her step brother. Second, there is a reference to Anna's father and his "homosexual lover". While this has been speculated upon, I didn't think Anna's family would want it stated as fact in a description of the case. I was not sure how Anna's family would want to approach this with the website owner, so I thought I would post it here.
Just noticed another thing - it mentions the couple in the car driving alongside Anna as she played in the yard. I thought she was out for a walk with her brothers? The wording also seems to imply that the couple in the car were seen on the same day Anna disappeared, instead of a month earlier.
P.S. In case anyone's confused about the title of the website that comes up (they mainly deal with the unidentified), this is in their "Missing Persons Spotlight" section.
Thank you, Gina, for spotting this. All your comments are correct. The site doesn't seem to have any way to contact the poster. If you know who it is, would you let me know so that I can ask them to correct the listing? It is particularly regrettable that they use the term "homosexual lover", something which certainly is not documented or proven. I wish also they would be more tactful about a psychiatric diagnosis which is open to interpretation.
MagicRose99
10-31-2007, 12:25 PM
I found a link to an email addy for the admin for that site: nacup.admin@gmail.com
I also found this addy where it says "Become a member": mandolynis@gmail.com
Dr. Doogie
10-31-2007, 12:32 PM
Any question about a sexual relationship between Waters and Brody is speculation at best. Until the mention of the one word of "Damron" in GW's notebook, we had zero reason to even to suspect such a relationship. And remember, in the late 1960's, Waters asked a gay friend to lie and say that he and Waters had had a sexual relationship in an effort to avoid the draft - if Waters was gay, no lying would have been necessary. It is conceivable that Brody, in his effort to dominate and control Waters, may have initiated some sort of sexual contact at a later date, but it would have been based on power, not emotion.
If the owner of the website sees these posts, please contact me so that we can correct the information. Thank you for the effort to spread the word about Anna. Together we can make sure the the true story is told.
natasha-cupcake
10-31-2007, 12:52 PM
I found a link to an email addy for the admin for that site: nacup.admin@gmail.com
I also found this addy where it says "Become a member": mandolynis@gmail.com
Just wanted to state unequivocably that "nacup" DOES NOT refer to me, natasha-cupcake!
Dr. Doogie
10-31-2007, 01:04 PM
Natasha_Cupcake:
I hadn't even thought of that. Actually, whoever posted this did not do something bad - they just posted some things as fact that were not established as so. We are looking to make sure that the information in all media - websites, newspaper articles, etc. - is completely accurate. Whoever posted this is trying to do a good thing and for that we are grateful.
GraceBlue
10-31-2007, 01:13 PM
The doe network also lists Anna's brother as her step-brother.
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/176dfca.html
natasha-cupcake
10-31-2007, 08:10 PM
Natasha_Cupcake:
I hadn't even thought of that. Actually, whoever posted this did not do something bad - they just posted some things as fact that were not established as so. We are looking to make sure that the information in all media - websites, newspaper articles, etc. - is completely accurate. Whoever posted this is trying to do a good thing and for that we are grateful.
You're right, Doogie. I guess I did sound a little defensive.
Dr. Doogie
10-31-2007, 08:31 PM
N-C: No problemo. (Didn't know I was bilingual, did ya'?)
Gina_M
11-01-2007, 09:12 AM
I just sent Annasmom a pm with the site owner's contact info, but then I noticed that there has been one correction made on the page - Brody is now described (more accurately) as the "live-in mentor".
Rhett
11-01-2007, 10:52 AM
I do not remember the discussion about the word "Damron" that was found. What does this mean and what if any is the significance? Sorry if this has been discussed, just curious. Rhett.
Rhett
11-01-2007, 11:20 AM
Annasmom, I sent in an appeal to Oprah. I pray she will do the show. Rhett.
Gina_M
11-01-2007, 12:08 PM
I do not remember the discussion about the word "Damron" that was found. What does this mean and what if any is the significance? Sorry if this has been discussed, just curious. Rhett.
It's over on the BFH thread:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1694096&highlight=damron#post1694096
Dr. Doogie
11-01-2007, 12:40 PM
I do not remember the discussion about the word "Damron" that was found. What does this mean and what if any is the significance?
In a nutshell, this word was listed in George Waters's notebook while he was planning a vacation. "Damron" is the name of a travel guide published exclusively for gay travelers. This is the first hint that the two George's relationship may have been sexual, but the jury is still out on that question.
Annasmom
11-01-2007, 02:16 PM
In a nutshell, this word was listed in George Waters's notebook while he was planning a vacation. "Damron" is the name of a travel guide published exclusively for gay travelers. This is the first hint that the two George's relationship may have been sexual, but the jury is still out on that question. GW may have felt the need to keep up the pretense (if that's what it was) of homosexuality because of his claim to the draft board.
Dr. Doogie
11-01-2007, 02:24 PM
That is a very good possibility.
Annasmom
11-01-2007, 07:33 PM
Things were slow the week following Oct. 19, so I didn't post an update, but lots has been happening this week. Those of you who are night owls will want to check the time of the Missing show, which will mention Anna in its broadcast this coming week.
The International Centre for Missing and Exploited Children has now posted Gina's video of Anna on its YouTube site, which is viewed worldwide. June Morrall's Half Moon Bay Memories has again posted a link to www.searchingforanna.com. Anna was featured in a concert on the Squeaky Wheel tour last Sunday.
SherlockJr contacted Craig B., the last person to see Anna before she disappeared, and spoke to him at length about his perceptions of Jan. 16, 1973. He was able to pinpoint on a map exactly where he saw Anna. Some errors were found on a website, MissingMe, which featured Anna, and the owner was contacted and asked to make corrections. RobinH, who was our go-between in all the business with "Mystery Woman C", PMed some information about Lloyd's of London insurance policies. Several people have sent self-addressed stamped envelopes for SFA bumper stickers. Several people have written to Oprah's web site, suggesting mention of Anna Jan. 16, (our projected date for releasing the book on Lulu) or on Missing Children's Day in May.
I would like to say something about NARSAD, the National Alliance for Research on Schizophrenia and Depression. One of the members of this worthy group has expressed interest in and sympathy for our story and has mentioned contacting a documentary film maker to see if Searching for Anna would be an appropriate subject for a movie.
AnnasUnc is working out of the country this week. Posting on the WebSleuths Forum were DrDoogie, Gina_M, GraceBlue, SherlockJr, MagicRose99, natasha-cupcake, Rhett, mfangel1, Jodibug, fox1950, iNTERESTEDWOMAN, and Cubby.
Mandy O'Blenis
11-03-2007, 12:48 PM
I just sent Annasmom a pm with the site owner's contact info, but then I noticed that there has been one correction made on the page - Brody is now described (more accurately) as the "live-in mentor".
The NACUP website with the inaccurate information is mine. I have volunteers that do research for me sometimes on cases, and I gave Anna's name in a list of cases I wanted to add some months ago. I took the information I was given afterward and wrote the original file. I apologize; I should certainly have researched the case myself.
I didn't become a member here until after the file was written, so when I started reading this thread I realized some of it was wrong, and changed a couple of things (like the mole on her face and Mr.Waters' relationship with Brody). Last night I was sent a PM by Annasmom, asking me to change the other erroneous information. I will gladly do so.
I've removed Anna's case for now, until I can finish reading these threads so I can give a better, and purely accurate synopsis of Anna's case. I feel very bad that I didn't provide it in the first place:blushing:
Annasmom
11-03-2007, 03:48 PM
The NACUP website with the inaccurate information is mine. I have volunteers that do research for me sometimes on cases, and I gave Anna's name in a list of cases I wanted to add some months ago. I took the information I was given afterward and wrote the original file. I apologize; I should certainly have researched the case myself.
I didn't become a member here until after the file was written, so when I started reading this thread I realized some of it was wrong, and changed a couple of things (like the mole on her face and Mr.Waters' relationship with Brody). Last night I was sent a PM by Annasmom, asking me to change the other erroneous information. I will gladly do so.
I've removed Anna's case for now, until I can finish reading these threads so I can give a better, and purely accurate synopsis of Anna's case. I feel very bad that I didn't provide it in the first place:blushing:
Mandy, welcome, and thank you so much for looking into this and for your dedication to finding the missing.
Dr. Doogie
11-05-2007, 12:52 PM
Mandy: Thanks for your attention to accuracy on your site. We truely appreciate that you have posted Anna's story and will help you in any way to make sure that the information is correct. No reason to be embarrased (according to the smiley) and thanks again!
Annasmom
11-09-2007, 05:30 PM
The Forum has been very active this week, looking at one Evelyn Warnick, with whom Dr. Waters had a lengthy telephone conversation shortly after George Brody died. MagicRose produced a street map and iNTERESTEDWOMAN showed names and numbers from a 1970 San Francisco telephone book which made it look probable that GW and GB were acquainted with this woman, who ran a health studio.
SherlockJr contacted a handwriting expert interviewed on Todd Matthews' show and asked if she would do a profile on handwriting samples of GB and GW. She has these samples and plans to make her report (which would include a possible personality profile on Brody) this weekend.
Mandy O'Blenis made some corrections to her good web pages on which Anna is featured.
Area news reports said that the Santa Clara County cold case unit is closing because of budget restrictions, though the bureau has solved 20 old cases. This only serves to point out once again how important your work is, WebSleuthers.
Posting on the Forum this week were Joe Ford, SherlockJr, GraceBlue, Gina_M, Dr. Doogie, Mandy O'Blenis, iNTERESTEDWOMAN, Sable, Cubby, MagicRose99, smile22, and fox1950.
Annasmom
11-18-2007, 09:14 PM
I'm a little late posting this update because we're working hard to meet the Jan. 16 deadline for the book and I've been wrestling with my part for three days. One of the things I did was to total the views on this thread: 283,422! And Doogie opened Part 3 of the main thread after Part 2 reached 759 posts. Nancy, our Canadian friend, posted a page for Anna on Facebook. Peggy Walla, a highly-qualified handwriting expert, completed psychological profiles of George Brody and George Waters. Parts of Brody's profile were posted; Waters' have not yet been put up. Posting on the forum this week were Gina_M, SherlockJr, iNTERESTEDWOMAN, Dr. Doogie, Sable, MagicRose99, christina2448, smile22, jodibug, Cubby, natasha-cupcake, GraceBlue and Joe Ford.
Annasmom
12-19-2007, 05:41 PM
Anna's family wishes you an angelic holiday.
smile22
12-19-2007, 08:52 PM
Anna's family wishes you an angelic holiday.
merry xmas to you as well hopefully 08 will bring us some good news on Anna
Annasmom
12-22-2007, 06:35 PM
Here is the card the VCA of San Jose sent out this year. The tree is decorated with pictures of missing children and the ornaments are made by local schoolchildren.
Cubby
12-24-2007, 06:42 PM
The card is beautiful Annasmom, thanks for sharing.
For the wonderful people here at the ACW thread and WS.
http://www.netnax.net/imgs/holidays/xmas/xmas-tree1.gif (http://www.netnax.com)
kyresearcher
12-25-2007, 01:03 AM
MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL.
Sorry haven't been able to post because of surgery and cast on right hand but have been thinking if all of you.
Annasmom
12-31-2007, 05:00 PM
...and then the holidays came along! Highlights of our search activities since Nov. 19 included information about Evelyn Wanek, with whom George Waters had a long telephone conversation shortly after Brody's death. The forum looked at many Sigrids, since Seka, a presumed Czech with whom Brody corresponded, might actually be named Sigrid. Two young women being considered were definitely ruled out as being Anna. Peggy Walla's handwriting analyses from Brody and Waters' letters were posted.
I intend to go through the insurance policies, but have not yet done so. The book Searching for Anna is almost ready to be uploaded.
Forum members who posted after the previous update include smile22, cubby, kyresearcher (recovering from surgery), Dr.Doogie, SherlockJr, Jodibug (expecting baby Laci in March), iNTERESTEDWOMAN, SeekingJana, raindrops, itsreenw, ASU2USC, Gina_M, annemc2, Mischa (from Germany), Sable, natasha-cupcake, and MagicRose99.
Happy New Year from all Anna's family!
natasha-cupcake
12-31-2007, 10:50 PM
Love, good thoughts and high hopes for the New Year, from me to you and your family, as well, Annasmom.
browneyedgirl
01-07-2008, 02:02 PM
I just wanted Annasmom and family to know that I pray everyday that this is the year we bring sweet Anna home to her loving family, escpecially her mom.
Let's all pray that the year 2008 is when all of our lost loved ones will be found.
stealthy
01-21-2008, 08:51 PM
This is really amazing. Late last night and early this morning, I read the first thread and the BFH thread, and it's just incredible and fascinating to see what all has been done involving this case. I can see a huge change in you, since those first posts, Annasmom, and it's a good one. :) Thanks for the updates. I'll get caught up this week and see if I can find a "niche" here where I might be able to help out.
Annasmom
01-22-2008, 02:05 PM
This is really amazing. Late last night and early this morning, I read the first thread and the BFH thread, and it's just incredible and fascinating to see what all has been done involving this case. I can see a huge change in you, since those first posts, Annasmom, and it's a good one. :) Thanks for the updates. I'll get caught up this week and see if I can find a "niche" here where I might be able to help out.
Yes, the forum has been a real healing force for me. I'm glad you noticed.
InterestedNHelping
02-07-2008, 04:49 PM
Dr. Doogie, are you aware of this case?
DoeNetwork
Case File 802DFCA
Dr. Doogie
02-07-2008, 05:48 PM
Dr. Doogie, are you aware of this case? DoeNetwork Case File 802DFCA
I have looked at it before. It is similar to the Cynthia Sumpter case in San Jose in 1974 in that if Anna was taken by stranger abduction, it may hold some relevance. If Anna was taken by the two Georges (which I believe is true), then it would not be related.
Thanks for posting this. If anybody comes across any more cases that you feel may be related, please post them or email them to me. We may spot something that connects them to Anna that LE may not have seen.
Annasmom
05-08-2008, 04:37 PM
This is hardly a weekly update, but there are a few recent developments you might like to know about. All our efforts--letters, requests, copies of Searching for Anna--have not resulted in any exposure of this case on Missing Children's Day at the end of this month. So let's just keep our porch lights on that evening for a couple of hours and think positive thoughts.
SherlockJr has posted all the insurance information and all the banking information which was available in GW's records. Some of you have looked at this rather staggering amount of information and have had questions.
Dr. Doogie has added the bar code to the back cover of SFA, which means that it may now be generally available (through Amazon.com, etc.) toward the end of the month. We have sold about 75 copies in all, and the royalties almost cover the cost of bookplates (I've only had a very few requests for signed bookplates) and the cost of more books for distribution to the Library of Congress and to people whose names appear in the book.
Detective Gilletti, who has been in charge of Anna's case at the San Mateo County Sheriff's Office, has been reassigned, but he has offered to continue with Anna's case as time allows.
If I have forgotten anything here, please help me out.
Annasmom
05-10-2008, 01:34 PM
SherlockJr has posted an ad for the book on Craigslist and I added it to my Classmates profile.
InterestedNHelping
05-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Happy Belated Mother's Day Annasmom...I thought of you on the day, as always! Hope it was a fantastic day for you~
Annasmom
05-13-2008, 12:29 PM
Happy Belated Mother's Day Annasmom...I thought of you on the day, as always! Hope it was a fantastic day for you~
It was a very poignant day, with lots of music...thanks!
Cubby
05-16-2008, 08:39 PM
This is hardly a weekly update, but there are a few recent developments you might like to know about. All our efforts--letters, requests, copies of Searching for Anna--have not resulted in any exposure of this case on Missing Children's Day at the end of this month. So let's just keep our porch lights on that evening for a couple of hours and think positive thoughts.
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I added info and a link about Missing Childrens day requesting my fellow Single Parents on a Yahoo single parents forum to join us in remembering missing children by leaving our porch lights on and included the link to searchingforanna.com to read more about my "pet" missing child case. This SP group has many members from various advocate groups on the fathers rights side. I am also going to add the same to another advocate group i belong to for Child support enforcement. Anna will get some exposure there, and perhaps she too is a single parent who might frequent that type of forum or someone who might recognize her.....
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