MI- Brittany Beers was last seen 9/16/1997

[stampit3d]

What I have to say may very possibly be ABOSOLUTLY NOTHING.....and probably IS NOTHING, ...but I live in a rather secluded area...and across a lane from a relative of a 6 yr old girl that came up missing almost 10 years ago from our town.
It is common knowledge around here that pretty mcuh the entire family is strange (indeed even some of them have been arrested for phusically and sexually abusing this child....and her siblings were removed from the family a number of years ago for similiar reasons)
These neighbors are somehow related to this child, but I`m not sure exactly how (same last name, so maybe the man is a cousin or brother or something) and they are, at the very least, odd. They keep to themselves and have not allowed their kids to play with other neighborhood kids as they were growing up. Being ODD may be all they are "guilty of".....so I hesitate to say more....except some thoughts keep "haunting" me.....and I wonder if anyone else would think these ideas are just too wierd to be true....I mean, maybe I`ve watched too many cold case programs on TV or something???? (And certinly, because of surviving some pretty horrific abuse from my own childhood, I`m possibly over reacting?)
However, for over a year now, these folks have had what sounds like an air compresser plugged in. It is on pretty much 24/7 as far as the rest of us neighbors can tell. It kicks on and off every little while. (If not an air compresser it sounds exactly like one....we have one also , so I do know the sound.) When we are done using ours, we turn it off.....I`d think having one running 24/7 would be quite expensive on the electric bill ! I can not swear that it was on all last winter, as we can not hear it when we are inside the house with the doors and windows shut, but it was not at all uncommom to hear it kick on or off as we`d go outside during that time of year to get in our vehicle.
We started noticing it last July (over a year ago) and it was pretty constant from then and up through the fall. (There was one time in the fall when it was off for only a few days....and we all noticed the silence)
Here`s the thing....us "other neighbors" have all commented to each other how strange this is and have "half jokingly" made comments about maybe them using it to keep someone alive underground.(Wierd things like that really do happen!!!)
Also, when the girl disappeared these folks had, at about the same time, parked a truck camper next to , and almost to the back of their house that had not been there before....and within a few to several weeks it too disappeared and it has`nt been back since. (Maybe they were just storing it for someone else?) After it was gone, another neighbor mentioned to me something about it , (again, half jokingly) that they had wondered if these folks may have hidden her out in it and had actually thought about calling the cops to have it checked out.....but then had decided they were over reacting because of how starnge these neighbors seem to all of us......I was SHOCKED at the time...because my husband and I had remarked the same thing to each other.
To give you an idea of why we see these neighbors as "odd" I`ll tell you of a couple of things that have happened that don`t seem right to us other neighbors.
Several years ago the daughter of these folks was outside in her yard, (a rareity), when another neighbor had their granddaughter (about the same age) over visiting. The girls began to play together, but after the mother called her daughter inside, when she came back out ,she told the neighbors granddaughter that she was no allowed to play with her anymore because her grandparents "were wierd"! (Not! And like THEY should talk anyhow!)
Another time, when I was out gardening, this little girl came riding her bike up the lane and into my yard, and started a conversation with me (one and only time, and they have been here for over 11 years) She wanted to know what I was doing, and when I told her, she asked if she could help me, so I let her help me plant some flowers.(In full view of her own home) Then her mother called her in for lunch, and as she got back on her bike to go home she asked if she could come back and help me after lunch, which, of course I said "yes"....but she did`nt. The very next day I was out in the garage working on a painting project, with the garage door open and I suddenly realized she`d ridden her bike up into my driveway....so I greeted her and said I`d missed her company yesterday afternoon when she had`nt come back.....to which she stuck her nose up in the air and rode off on her bike without saying a single word, as if I`d offended her in some way....and she has`nt come back or spoken to me since! (Did they tell her I was "wierd" and she could`nt be around me too????)
I do not want to make enemies of these neighbors, if they are not guilty of anything.(although I`m not looking to MAKE FRIENDS of them either.....just have a "straight line" feeling about them, if you know what I mean.)
I DO NOT KNOW that this is "a lead" in the case, but since I can`t get this off my mind I feel driven to ask someone if they think it is worth investigation....however , I do not have a whole lot of faith in our police dept. I feel like they`d maybe
write a report and just file it....or just think I`m a nut or simply a nosey neighbor.
I`ve asked a few people what they think and I have gotten several answers.

(1) Just report that the sound is disturbing your peace, ( But, what if there is anything to this and the police came out... and they would turn it off?)
(2) Just ask the neighbors about it . (But if I did, and they thought that people were suspecting somthing strange was going on.....would they "get rid of the evidence" if indeed there is any???)
(3) One person even suggested they may be using it for a job, or to keep something running for someone that is ill and needs some sort of machine having something to do with that....but I doubt it...they don`t seem ill ....not physically anyhow...as we see them coming and going all the time. The father works as a manager for a restruant and the mother is a nurse. I have never seen that they appear to have any hobbies that would require an air comprsser i.e. carpentry work...nor have we ever heard hammmers or saws. To be truthful, they hardly ever even mow their yard, so I think he is even too lazy for a hobby.....maybe even just too lazy to bother to turn the compresser off? I`d think it would drive them crazy listening to it so close all the time!)

To be honest....I`m not even sure an air compresser COULD BE USED to pump air to someone that might be underground or trapped in a space where getting enough would be a problem. Do any of you know???
I admit that what I`ve written, and my haunting thoughts concerning all of this, DO sound far fetched, so feel free to tell me if you think I`m way off base.
Yesterday afternoon the air compresser was turned off, and is still not back on.....but I expect it will be soon, as it always is....in the meantime the silence seems almost loud ....and the we, the "other neighbors' are talking about it again.
Thank you for your time in reading all of the above, and I am sorry that it was so long...I just really needed to say it to someone who might have a real idea of what I should, or should not do, concerning it....if anything.
What do you think???
Linda

[phenolred]

I dont think your crazy at all, this seems very strange......Maybe you could report it to police annomously. I seem to remember a case I saw where neighbors were hearing a humming sound and the person was running a freezer or refridgerated truck with a body inside..
Maybe its a generator you are hearing wonder if they have some type of drug operation where they need those special lights for marijuana plants

IDK Im just throwing thoughts out there

[Lisahas2cats]

Hi Linda, and welcome to WS :)

Instead of an air compressor, could the sound be a generator? I don't know how one sounds versus the other, but I imagine both to be loud (and annoying). That still wouldn't explain why the thing would be running so much, since generators use gasoline to run ($$).

Is the little missing girl listed with Doe Network or Project Charley (or barring either of those, on any state or local missing persons websites)? If so, would you feel comfortable sharing the information?

As far as what, if anything, to do, I simply don't know (big help, huh). But I do think that our "gut" speaks to us for a reason, and even if they have nothing to do with this missing girl, there could be something hinky going on.

Lisa :)

[Rhett]

Linda, coincidentally we had a family here in Arkansas that the wife was a nurse of some sort and the father in the restaurant business that did the same thing. Only they were running a generator to get electricity to their house. Do you think it may be a generator you are hearing? It is also very loud. I do not know why the people in Arkansas did it because the gas to run the thing would be expensive unless they had outstanding bills with the electric company and that was the only way to get electricity to the house. As for the missing girl, I don't blame you for your concern. It is plausible that they could be hiding her and using the generator to keep her alive. Do you have meter readers that come out to the houses to read the gas meter, electric meter, etc.? If so, try to catch him or her when they read your meter and ask questions about the neighbors house because chances are the meter reader will think them odd as well. You might ask him if they have electric on, what he thinks is running over there all of the time, etc. This will help you in making a decision as to whether your idea is plausible. Just some suggestions. Let us know how things progress. Rhett.

[stampit3d]

Actually....I have seen the meter person over there from time to time, so I do think their electricity is on....And I know there is electricity to the house because we built it, and they are the folks who bought it from us 11+ years ago when we sold it ,and built this one across the lane from them.
Where we live, it is not uncommon for our electric to go out during a big storm (and sometimes even for no apparent reason) so we also have a small generator.....it does NOT sound like an air compresser.
A generator is much louder and is a constant sound (except for when it runs out of gas, or when you stop it to add more) An air compresser comes on, runs till it builds up to the set pressure, then kicks off and will be silent until some of the pressure is used, then kicks back in to build up pressure again. That`s what this sound is like. (Only I might add that it sure goes off and on a LOT....like one that has a leak.....or is being constantly used)
When ours is on and we are using it, say to use the nailer or power sander, it goes on and off quite often....but if we quit using the power tools and forget that the compresser is still turned on, it can be a lot longer berfore it comes back on again to build up pressure. We have even forgotten it was on before and when it kicks in (sometimes in the middle of the night) it will wake us up and my hubby will go out and turn it off. It`s not the kind of thing you want to have to hear if you are`nt using it....so I can`t even imagine leaving it on for most of a year, especially as often as theirs goes on and off. I just don`t know how you`d get used to the sound enough to ignor it.
When my hubby has ours on and is using it for several hours for a project I`m always relieved, as are our cats, when he finnally turns it off!
I am going to look at our electric bill and see if I can figure out just when the meter person comes around and keep an eye out for them so I can talk to them. (Our meter is on the back of our home, so I can go out the back door and visit with them without being seen by these neighbors.
Thank you all for responding back to me and when I can find something out I will post back, although it may be a few days, as I have to go out of town tomorrow afternoon for a few days to help my Mom, who`s getting out of the hospital from having surgery.
Linda

[Taximom]

In our city you can call the electric company to find out what someone else is paying per month at their address. It's more or less used when you are looking to buy homes, but maybe that might help you determine if they are using a normal amount of electricity.

Are you saying the girl would be about 16 yrs old now? The girl was from their (extended) family? I'm sorry if I'm confused!

I know exactly what you mean about wondering if someone has a dungeon underground or whatever. I don't think you watch too much tv, you are just watchful of your surroundings. That has helped save many people in the past. :blowkiss:

I hope your mom recovers well. Take care! (and Welcome to WS!)

[englishleigh]

I think it sounds extremely odd and I wouldn't be too hesitant in your shoes to talk to someone in the police department, considering there is a missing child in their extended family, and the way they don't want to have anything to do with their neighbors and discourage their child, who is obviously lonely, from talking to or getting close to neighbors. If this missing child is listed with the NCMEC or something similar, you could report this to them and let them investigate it. I do find it all sounding very strange and I don't blame you for being suspicious. Keep your wits about you and keep watching. Is there anyone you know who is connected to the police department? What about contacting your state's department for missing people?

Keep us posted.

[phenolred]

Does their child attend public school? Is she home schooled, Something defanatly sounds amiss... I know a lady that lived in our neirborhood that had a sort of nervous breakdown and she stopped checking her mail and stopped mowing her grass etc, well I guess the mailman reported it to the police than maybe she was in the house dead. They went out and knocked on the door to check her well being. I think if you contact they police they are required to go out and at least do a routine check....

[stampit3d]

Yes...this little girl was 6 when she came up missing....and it has been almost 10 years...so if she is still alive, she would be about 16 now.
She is registered somehow...as I have seen her info on this site.
I will call the electric co. today. Thanks for the idea....I did`nt know they would give out that info!
Linda

[BethInAK]

(1) Just report that the sound is disturbing your peace, ( But, what if there is anything to this and the police came out... and they would turn it off?)
(2) Just ask the neighbors about it . (But if I did, and they thought that people were suspecting somthing strange was going on.....would they "get rid of the evidence" if indeed there is any???)
(3) One person even suggested they may be using it for a job, or to keep something running for someone that is ill and needs some sort of machine having something to do with that....but I doubt it...they don`t seem ill ....not physically anyhow...as we see them coming and going all the time. The father works as a manager for a restruant and the mother is a nurse. I have never seen that they appear to have any hobbies that would require an air comprsser i.e. carpentry work...nor have we ever heard hammmers or saws. To be truthful, they hardly ever even mow their yard, so I think he is even too lazy for a hobby.....maybe even just too lazy to bother to turn the compresser off? I`d think it would drive them crazy listening to it so close all the time!)


Could it be a generator? I think they sound similar.

in any case, I think all that you have evidence of is that they are weird and that they have been ostracized for so long that they choose to try and treat others the same way they've been treated. the "I can't play with you because your grandmother is weird" sounds like sour grapes to me. And its sad and lonely but thats the way it is

However you do have a right to make a noise complaint, depending on your local noise ordinance. I'd certainly call the police and found out about what your options are there.

[stampit3d]

I`m convinced it is not a generator (see my second post above to the differences in the sounds that a genertor and a compresser make) Someone else already suggested that as a possibility....but I do know the difference as we have both ourselves.
Still trying to get ahold of the electric co.....I hope they can give me the info on what these folks electric bill was for this last year...because I KNOW what ours is across the lane, and since we built there house too I know that they should use aprox a similar amount....although they do have at least one window air conditioner (maybe more on a side of the house that I can`t see) whereas we have central air here, and I`m not sure how that would = out in difference.
Linda

[stampit3d]

I`ve contacted the FBI in our area and left a brief message with my name and phone #. They are supposed to call me back within 24 hours.
I`ll let you know if they think this is worth checking out....or if Im just nuts!
Linda

[Taximom]

Good luck, Linda.

[aj1020]

I definitely think something sounds strange - even if it's not related to the missing girl, it sound like something illegitimate is going on. I agree that our guts tell us more than our conscious likes to believe sometimes, and if your gut is telling you something isn't right, I would listen to it.

A co-worker of mine once told me a story of a rental property that he owned. LE called him late one night to come over to the rental home because the tenants weren't home. The neighbors had called in a noise complaint on the residence because there was some type of water compressor running constantly. It turns out the tenants had a hydroponic marijuana farm in the basement. The water pump circulated the water through the plants somehow to stimulate growth - but it was outside the home. Needless to say it was a bad situation for the tenants and worse for my co-worker.

Either way it sounds like something strange is going on. Keep us posted!

[stampit3d]

Ok then...I got a call back from someone at the FBI office and told her what I told you guys here. She said that they can not just take this info and check into it, but that they can be called in on it if there is an investigation.
She suggested that I notify either our state or local police dept or co sherriffs dept or call the 800 line for the Center For Missing and Exploited Children. I made a phone call to the latter, told him this same story, and he took the info and said that it would be checked into. That he has to report it and there will be a follow up.
I gave him my name and address and phone number in case they need to call me back for any reason. He promised that he would not let the neighbors know that I`d called them (unless of course they actually find something and I would possibly need to go to court to testify, which would be fine then.....I was just worried that they might tell the neighbors that I`d callled them...then if they find NOTHING.... I`d have to live across from these folks!) I know that sounds selfish....but I really don`t want to live near people who are angry because they may think I was trying to get them into trouble, if you know what I mean.
WHEW! You just have no idea what a relief it is to have put this in someone elses hands....it has been haunting me for months! Now I can let it go unless something comes of it....and would be glad to deal with that if there`s anything I could do to help.
Oh God! What if they do find this girl???
How would she deal with all she may have encounted these past 10 years???
How will I ever deal with the fact that I did`nt call it in sooner???
OK...I know I`m obsessing here now, and I need to just breathe and stop crying and go do something else.
If I hear anything...I will come back and let you know....and again...thank you all for helping me not feel crazy and to gain the courage to make the report!
Linda

[Taximom]

You did good, Linda! Step back and breathe. :blowkiss:

[jantel74]

Good job, Linda. I think calling it in was the right thing to do. If nothing else comes of it, you might try calling the non emergency line and complaining about the noise. That would at least get the cops out to find the source of the noise. We have an air compressor too. It is loud when it kicks on. I can't imagine listening to that all the time.

[CaliKid]

Good job, Linda. How horrible for this girl if she's been kept some kind of prisoner in her basement, but what a great job if your smart thinking is what cracks the case.

[BethInAK]

A co-worker of mine once told me a story of a rental property that he owned. LE called him late one night to come over to the rental home because the tenants weren't home. The neighbors had called in a noise complaint on the residence because there was some type of water compressor running constantly. It turns out the tenants had a hydroponic marijuana farm in the basement. The water pump circulated the water through the plants somehow to stimulate growth - but it was outside the home. Needless to say it was a bad situation for the tenants and worse for my co-worker. !


now THIS sounds like a possible scenario.

[phenolred]

Im so glad you called, please keep us updated. I wonder what your counties noise ordinance is? I know my husband called the police at 2 am one time the people next door were having a party and they had their music blaring and we had to get up and work the next day. When he spoke to the police they basically said sorry about your luck but our county does not have a noise ordinance.....He said well so I guess its ok then if I go outside and start up my chainsaw and stand around with that running all night, they then said OK well send somebody out to ask them to turn it down and they did....

I guess my point is I hope your county or town has a nosie ordinance,,,,

[stampit3d]

Im so glad you called, please keep us updated. I wonder what your counties noise ordinance is? I know my husband called the police at 2 am one time the people next door were having a party and they had their music blaring and we had to get up and work the next day. When he spoke to the police they basically said sorry about your luck but our county does not have a noise ordinance.....He said well so I guess its ok then if I go outside and start up my chainsaw and stand around with that running all night, they then said OK well send somebody out to ask them to turn it down and they did....

I guess my point is I hope your county or town has a nosie ordinance,,,,

I don`t think there`s an ordinance (we live out in the country)....but one neighbor did call the sherriffs dept to complain about a big dog barking all night once. They were told that they would send an officer to stop out and wake the people and let them know there was a complaint. They said that usually just the police presence is enough to make people THINK they have to comply. (And they did!)
Another time a differnt neighbor reported somebody playing their music too loud, too late at night , and the same thing happened.
So if the compresser noise does`nt stop after a reasonable time (I want to allow the police enough time to do whatever they have to do) then I`ll report the noise.
I`m going to leave today to go up to help my Mom for a few to several days....but if I get back and the police have been out here to their house...I`m sure one of the other neighbors will have seen it and I`ll hear about it if it turns out to be anything.
Linda

[phenolred]

I`m going to leave today to go up to help my Mom for a few to several days....but if I get back and the police have been out here to their house...I`m sure one of the other neighbors will have seen it and I`ll hear about it if it turns out to be anything.
Linda

Good Luck and updte when you are able too...:)

[MissieMt]

I'm so happy you took action Stampit3d. The travel trailer could be explained by other family coming to town to help look for the girl, but the air compressor is a bit odd. My kids aren't allowed to play with kids (or grown-ups) in the neighborhood that I don't know, but I simply go and introduce myself and try to talk to the parents/grownups as much as possible to get a good feel for them.
You should not feel like a "nosey neighbor" and don't let LE treat you like one. If everyone just kept to themselves and never reported anything nothing would ever get solved! I wish you the best of luck with this!!
ETA: you said the girl has a thread here, can you tell me who she is so I can check it out?

[dannyodie]

I don't think anyone here would think you are nuts with all your thoughts and concerns. if I were you, and all the neighbors think this couple is strange about all the noise and so on, I would wait until they leave for work, then simply go over to the house and snoop around behind the house and if possible look into a few windows, if something is going on over there then it is your neighbor hood and you don't want something sinister going on, so I would just talk to a few neighbors and let them know that you are at the end of your rope and just have to find out what all this is. it might simply be nothing, but it also might help find out if this little girl is still alive or not. I would just simply be a snoop myself...

[SeriouslySearching]

While the behavior of the parents could be one of being overly protective since a relative's child went missing, it worries me more they didn't allow the child to play with another girl. To not be allowed to plant flowers at a stranger's house doesn't strike me as particularly odd tho. I am not sure if we had a family member missing that I would be so keen on that idea either. Had it been me, I would have bought her a flat of flowers, a pail, a shovel, and given it to the mother for her since she seemed to enjoy it tho. Their daughter would be in her teens now, right? Surely, you see her come and go from time to time. Perhaps you could strike up a conversation with her by asking if she still enjoys planting flowers!

As far as the air compressor goes...there could be many normal reasons to have one and none of which include keeping someone alive for years...unless it is connected to a device particularly for someone who is ill.

I do think around here we tend to jump to the worst conclusions first because of the things we read here everyday and know can happen. In a way, it isn't a bad thing because it means we are being alert and it could be like the situation with Shawn and the people who thought he did resemble the missing boy...yet failed to act for so long. Your other neighbors' "gut" feelings along with your own probably need to be met with at least an inquiry into what is happening in the home. (Keep in mind...there is such a thing as "mob mentality" when people begin to talk in rumors taking the suspicion level too far.)

Another way to find information about them is to ask your postman if he/she has had any inkling of odd behavior. Remember they are in the neighborhood daily and see any or all changes which take place. (The postman may know exactly why the air compressor is there because he/she could be delivering parts for it or mail concerning the device.)

If it were me tho, I would have a neighborhood block party and invite them personally to give them a chance to interact. They could be very nice people who are woefully misunderstood.

[Jdee]

Who is the missing girl? What were the circumstances of her turning up mising? Was it a kidnapping or did she just vanish without a trace? Was her family investigated at all?

[SeriouslySearching]

Very good questions! It happened ten years ago, but there should be some coverage of it. I would like to know, too.

[KOOL LOOK]

Stamp, I hope your trip went well. I'm very interested in this thread. Alot of interesting clues and circumstances going on that would make me question my neighbors also. Especially since they had a missing 6 yr old relative that hasn't been found. Are you sure they never had any resolution concerning the little girl in all this time?

There could have been and it just wasn't publicized. The family could have some answers or at least some type of truth as to what may have happened but since no one was prosecuted the public hasn't been kept informed.

What was her name, and her thread here at websleuths? Thanks so much in advance. I do appreciate your being aware and alert and bringing this here. Even if it turns out to be nothing, you still should have re-acted, as you had confirmation and affirmation from other neighbors too, including our husband. So you weren't the only one acting on suspicions and needing some answers. At least, something is not normal about an air compressor running constantly. These motors do run differently as you have pointed out.

I would do as an earlier poster suggested, go check myself when I knew they were gone. I also would try to get to know the wife just a insy bitsy more, I think you will get some peace of mind there, or some answers, or possibly have more questions. If you leave those encounters with more questions, then your probably on the right path of thinking. Local Law enforcement should be able to help you out concerning the latest updates and information concerning the six yr old. You aren't butting in, it's public information, by the way. Chase away the thoughts of your being nosy.

You have a right to inquire of law enforcement, they put this stuff out publically to use the public to get tips to solve cases. I just wouldn't accuse them, or cross the line, you do need more facts than you have right now before assuming there's more to this. Keep it here, for this is a safe haven to discuss it, and the neighbors won't be harmed in anyway. Because they are innocent so far.

Contacting law enforcement, the missing networks, mail man, electric company and your own personal observations are within the correct legal boundaries and shouldn't put them in any bad light.

Keep us updated, and I want to read the background details concerning her disappearance, so we need her name, or something to go on.

Take care, glad to hear your with your mom during her time of need, hope you enjoyed the time together, and can't wait to see you back here.

Sheila

[KOOL LOOK]

Very good questions! It happened ten years ago, but there should be some coverage of it. I would like to know, too.


Hi there,
could you please clear your pm's. TIA.

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry! I did! PM Away! : )

[TGIRecovered]

I don't think anyone here would think you are nuts with all your thoughts and concerns. if I were you, and all the neighbors think this couple is strange about all the noise and so on, I would wait until they leave for work, then simply go over to the house and snoop around behind the house and if possible look into a few windows, if something is going on over there then it is your neighbor hood and you don't want something sinister going on, so I would just talk to a few neighbors and let them know that you are at the end of your rope and just have to find out what all this is. it might simply be nothing, but it also might help find out if this little girl is still alive or not. I would just simply be a snoop myself...

I was wondering if anyone else would suggest this!

I would have an excuse ready in case they catch you snooping. Something like looking for a lost kitty who has a habit of sneaking in to basements or attics, haven't seen kitty in two days and you are worried she might have gotten shut inside and can't get out or crawled inside to have kittens etc.

Make sure to have a lookout in case something goes wrong so you don't end up dead or anything. Any possibility they have a survellience system? They are very common nowadays and affordable, even in private homes.

Needless to say, I'm not suggesting this is the safest thing to do, but snooping could be much more productive than just reporting it since official agencies have to walk such a thin line when it comes to probable cause to look around. We all know that tips like yours may or may not be investigated thoroughly, depending upon many factors.

You might also be able to go back and see what info you have from the sale of the house that could be used to search for arrest records or other court documents, personal webpages etc. there are other posters here at WS who can find all sorts of helpful stuff, including finding out if someone is using the internet to exploit a child.

Thanks for caring about those who can't protect themselves!

Susan

[SeriouslySearching]

Stamp? Do you have any further updates? Have you found any articles about the little girl? Perhaps if you give us a name to work with...we can find some. We are very handy with research around here! It would help to understand the circumstances of her disappearance.

Even if those people have nothing to do with her case, she should be listed here and other places in hopes of bringing in leads or being found someday.

[BabyGirlsMom]

Since Stampit3d mentioned that this child did have a thread here and other posters were asking who the child was, I was wondering if it was OK to post it? Or, would it be better to PM it to anyone who was interested? My curiosity got the best of me and I had to figure it out. Let me know what everyone thinks.

[Gina_M]

After looking on a couple sites, I think I know who it is too. I think she'd probably rather not post it here in case the family reads the forum. I'd be curious to hear any updates on this!

[aj1020]

Since Stampit3d mentioned that this child did have a thread here and other posters were asking who the child was, I was wondering if it was OK to post it? Or, would it be better to PM it to anyone who was interested? My curiosity got the best of me and I had to figure it out. Let me know what everyone thinks.

Could you PM it to me? I'd be interested to read it. Thanks!

[phenolred]

OH Could you PM me too? THANKS

[englishleigh]

Since Stampit3d mentioned that this child did have a thread here and other posters were asking who the child was, I was wondering if it was OK to post it? Or, would it be better to PM it to anyone who was interested? My curiosity got the best of me and I had to figure it out. Let me know what everyone thinks.

I'd like to know, too, someone please PM it to me. Thank you.

[Rhett]

I would like to know also. Could someone pm me the thread as well? Thank you in advance. Rhett

[dimples37398]

Is there anyway someone could message it to me as well........

Thanks!!

[laini]

Could someone PM me, also? Thanks!

[FLMom]

Add me to the PM list, please. Curiosity is getting to me.

[Masterj]

Me too, please!

[L L & S]

Could I get on that pm list too?

[AmandaBrown23]

I want a pm too please thanks!

[scuseme]

I'd like a PM too.

[rhyno1974]

I would like a PM on this as well. Thank you.

[ceeaura]

I would like a PM also too please :)

[Meezer]

I know I am just lurking....but I would like a PM too please!

[guineveer]

Ok wow, I wish she'd update! Now I'm going to be worried she got caught or something snooping around!!

Can I get the PM too so I can check out the case?

[aj1020]

who still needs a PM? I can forward it.

[Meezer]

I do. Thanks!!

[L L & S]

who still needs a PM? I can forward it. Thank you.... I do.

[BethInAK]

who still needs a PM? I can forward it.

me me!!
thanks!

[mjak]

Can I have a pm too. I really hope she updates soon.
I have been quiety here but reading this thread everyday.

mjak

[Spazkat9696]

Me too please!! PM that is

[aj1020]

ahh too many, too many... :) kidding. un momento...

[ceeaura]

I do too when ya get the time :) Thank you in advance

[Salem]

ahh too many, too many... :) kidding. un momento...

Me too, please? por favor

and Thank you!

Salem

[jyram]

me also, sorry to make you do so much work, I'm very curious!

[diamondgirl]

I dunno for sure about these neighbors, but out of curiosity I looked up what medical uses there would be for an air compressor. There are medical air compressors used for ventilating patients. I dunno if this helps any. Medical air compressors are quiet though. Unless maybe you can use a regular air compressor, but seeing as it cuts off and then on, I really don't know.

[jyram]

I wonder if they turn it off at night, when most of the neighbors are sleeping?

[rhyno1974]

Hi,

I have not received one yet.

[jyram]

I was just reading about aeroponics, an alternative to hydroponics.... possibility?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroponics#/

[okietexan]

If it isn't too much trouble, I would appreciate the name of the girl as well! I have been reading this thread and hope that there are answers soon, but I can't figure out who the little girl is!!! Thank you!

[CaliKid]

I'd like one please. Curiosity is killing me.

[L L & S]

okietexan and CaliKid

check your pm box

[raindrops300]

I would appreciate a pm also. TIA

[cwiz24]

Could someone pm me? Thanks in advance...

[Jdee]

I would like to know too.. please PM me the thread.

[TGIRecovered]

I would like to know who it is too.

Can't some brave soul post the link since so many of us are interested?

I realize that we must be sensitive to the possibility of family members reading here, but this is the discussion thread after all. I could see not posting it on info and support, but here we are free to discuss, are we not?

Susan

[TGIRecovered]

I hereby move that the link to the old thread be posted!

Anyone care to second it?

Susan

[cwiz24]

I hereby move that the link to the old thread be posted!

Anyone care to second it?

Susan

Second

[L L & S]

~ third ~

[TGIRecovered]

Thanks cwiz24!

We are now searching for the brave soul who has the link and is not afraid to use it!


Who will be the first to taste the freedom of the Power of Discussion?



Free Speech...Free Speech...Free Speech!

[TGIRecovered]

~ third ~


Woo-hoo LL&S!

[laini]

Could someone PM me who this girl is? I think I know who, but the age is two years off so I'm not sure it is the right one.

TIA!

[L L & S]

Would someone please explain to me why we can't link the old WS thread of the little girl we've been pming each other. I must have missed something originally posted that says why we can't do that.

~ TIA..... am I just really being a bubble headed bleach blond tongiht?

[ceeaura]

L L & SWould someone please explain to me why we can't link the old WS thread of the little girl we've been pming each other. I must have missed something originally posted that says why we can't do that.


Its tp protect the poster of this thread I belive.Seeing as she is neighbors to realitives and she is the one reporting stuff.Don't want her to get harrassed if this turns out to be nothing.

[stampit3d]

I`m sorry I`m so long in getting back with you all...but my Mom has had serious complications to her knee surgery and I was up there with her longer than expected. (Potassium levels so high and sodium so low they were fearful of a heart attack, then a blood clot, and then seriously dehydrated....she is 75 and my dad is almost 80 and has health issues also)
I am going to tell you the name of this little girl (well, not so little anymore if she is still alive, she`d be 16 now)
I was a bit afraid to post her name before because I worried that someone in the family might be reading here (you never know!) but it is`nt in fear for myself as much as the "what if they do have her" and they know that neighbors are suspecious....what would they do to her???
But so many of you are asking that I can`t not tell you. Her name is Brittney Beers.
I`m hoping that The Center for Missing and Exploited Children (who I contacted) have actually contacted the proper folks to have it checked out like they said they had to and would.
No one in the neighborhood has mentioned anything about the police being seen over there while I was away.....so I hope it IS being checked into.
As far as the compresser being used for someone on a ventilating machine...NOT. The husband and wife both work as does the older son, and the teen girl goes to a private school.
I speak to these folks on the rare occassion that they are near enough...and I wave when they drive past if I am in the yard....but i`m not going to have a block party and invite them over....they are really not the type of people I want to "get close to" . I have heard the man talk really TERRIBLE to his kids and call them such awful names that I have had to come in the house because I could`nt stand it....plus they act as if they really want to be left alone. They are not friendly at all....and usually won`t even wave back....even when I`m pretty sure they have seen me.....and unless they have read something on this site, they have no reason to suspect that the neighbors are thinking anything....because they don`t associate with any of us....and all the neighbors have tried to be friendly, at least when they first moved in, until it became apparent that they did`nt want to "neighbor".
does anyone here have any connections with, or know anything about how the Center For Missing & Exploited Children works???? Are they a "for real" organization that will REALLY look into this situation???
Again...I`m sorry for being so long in coming back....and also sorry for being so long winded in this post.Thanks for listening!
Linda

[TGIRecovered]

If I were an anti-social member the extended family of a someone who lost a six year old little girl ten years ago, and if I were still checking crime message boards ten years later, and if I saw a thread discussing the possibility of a link to a six year old girl who went missing ten years ago, I would probably read it.

I am pretty sure I would have realized by now that the posters were not discussing some other antisocial relative of a six year old girl missing ten years who purchased their home from the people who built it who still live across the lane and wonder why my air-compressor runs year-round.

I'm just pointing out that it is very unlikely that they will ever read this, but if they did, they would have to be really dense not to realize by this point that we are talking about them.

The cat is already out of the bag, but not to worry, the neighbors are too busy growing helioponic marry-ju-wanna in the basement next to the trap door of the "extra storage space" with special ventillation to notice empty cat bags.

(JM li'l ole O )


Susan

[laini]

Hope your mom is getting better, Linda! Thanks for updating us. As far as I know NCMEC is a very ligitimate agency and will investigate or pass on to the LE. I think they would then follow-up with LE to see what LE finds (but not sure about that).

I thought it was a different girl, but now see it is Brittany you're talking about. This case has always tore at my heart. Her picture looks so sad. I always wonder when the only photo they can find is with no smile and so sad looking, there must not have been many smiles in her life. I am curious what you will find out about the noise.

I was reading that Brittany went missing at an apartment complex. Is that near you, also? Or she was just visiting the relatives across from you? Also, are the neighbors you are talking about the father, stepfather, and uncle that were charged with child porn? Do they live there, or just other relatives? Thanks :)

I am familiar with how a air compressore sounds and goes on and off. Can't think of a good reason to run one all the time. My DH said maybe they have a shop and just leave it on all the time. ??? I would think a ventilator just needs electricity and oxygen.

[TGIRecovered]

stampit3d, thank you for posting more info! I am sorry about your mother's health problems. It is very kind of you to take time to be concerned about Brittany when you are so busy yourself!

I hope LE really does check these people out, but since you haven't been able to actually witness them breaking any laws, I wouldn't count on it. If any of the family living there is on parole or probation for prior crimes, LE would have a good excuse to check in to their suspicious behavior.

I have called the probation officer of a sex offender living in my neighborhood before to report him having kids at his home the same age as the ones he was arrested for abusing. The officer told me that very often , unless someone complains to him directly ablout a probationer, he never gets a report from the person who answered the initial call so the complaint never gets properly checked out.

Thank you for keeping us informed!

Susan

[stampit3d]

Hope your mom is getting better, Linda! Thanks for updating us. As far as I know NCMEC is a very ligitimate agency and will investigate or pass on to the LE. I think they would then follow-up with LE to see what LE finds (but not sure about that).

I thought it was a different girl, but now see it is Brittany you're talking about. This case has always tore at my heart. Her picture looks so sad. I always wonder when the only photo they can find is with no smile and so sad looking, there must not have been many smiles in her life. I am curious what you will find out about the noise.

I was reading that Brittany went missing at an apartment complex. Is that near you, also? Or she was just visiting the relatives across from you? Also, are the neighbors you are talking about the father, stepfather, and uncle that were charged with child porn? Do they live there, or just other relatives? Thanks :)

I am familiar with how a air compressore sounds and goes on and off. Can't think of a good reason to run one all the time. My DH said maybe they have a shop and just leave it on all the time. ??? I would think a ventilator just needs electricity and oxygen.

The apartment complex ia where Brittney lived. She was last seen sitting on the bench out in front of the complex next to the highway.....and that spot is where the candleight vigils for her took place.
This community has NOI forgotten her.
I did`nt know Brittney, but a friend of mine`s daughter lived there in the complex with her children at that time, and her little girl (same aprox age) played with Brittney. I`m told that Brittney was always sad and dirty . (A different kind of dirty than what you reasonably expect a child to get from playing outside.....she came out in the mornings to play already dirty.)
I did know Brittney`s mother when she was a teenager though as she lived not far from us and was friends with our daughter. ( I say i knew her....but that is an overstatement, because she never would really talk to me unless I asked her a direct question....then she`d always look at her feet to answer...never making eye contact with me. If she wanted something she would always have my daughter ask me)
As they grew up they grew apart. Tina always seemed to be in some kind of trouble and made some not too savory friends. Our daughter married and moved away.....but she happened to be up here visiting when Brittney dissappeared and , even though she had`nt seen Tina (the mom) in years, she decided she needed to go and see her and tell her how sorry she was and try to offer what comfort she could.....and when she got back fron seeing her she told me that it was really wierd. That Tina had not acted like she was even 'with it" at all....and not grieving, like you`d expect. My daughter found it so strange that she did`nt even stay long...she just wanted to get out of there. She wondered then if Tina knew something about her daughters whereabouts.
At the time I remember telling her that we all grieve differently...and that maybe the Dr had given Tina some kind of nerve meds or something....I just did`nt know what else to say.
I think the guys who were arrested in connection with sexual abuse of Brittney were her daddy, and her daddy`s brother (who Tina was living with at the time)
Tina`s other children have been taken away from her since Brittney`s dissappearance.
The people who live across from me are not either of them.....Same last name, and I know they are related, but i`m not sure exactly how...possibly cousins(???) There are quite a few Beers in town and I have not heard too much good about any of them. (You know how every town has "that family" with a reputation....if you know what I mean)
You are probably right....little Brittney most likely never did have too much to smile about....I think she had to have been a very sad child....and it makes my heart just sick! There are far too many children in the world who live horrible lives.
Linda

[KOOL LOOK]

If I were an anti-social member the extended family of a someone who lost a six year old little girl ten years ago, and if I were still checking crime message boards ten years later, and if I saw a thread discussing the possibility of a link to a six year old girl who went missing ten years ago, I would probably read it.

I am pretty sure I would have realized by now that the posters were not discussing some other antisocial relative of a six year old girl missing ten years who purchased their home from the people who built it who still live across the lane and wonder why my air-compressor runs year-round.

I'm just pointing out that it is very unlikely that they will ever read this, but if they did, they would have to be really dense not to realize by this point that we are talking about them.

The cat is already out of the bag, but not to worry, the neighbors are too busy growing helioponic marry-ju-wanna in the basement next to the trap door of the "extra storage space" with special ventillation to notice empty cat bags.

(JM li'l ole O )


Susan

Good post, and I'm concerned about this thread overall. I think it's safe to discuss Brittany's case here, and I really really doubt these neighbors are reading this thread. The odds are in the millions. Unless someone contacted them directly to come over here and read, and that doesn't mean they would. Also no laws or confidences have been broken. Stampit observed the air compressor running constantly and questioned it, spoke with neighbors. That's not breaking the law.

Also, the case was made public and is famous for their area they live in. Same last name, I don't think we've done anything wrong here.

Of course the Centers for Missing and Exploited Children if for "Real." It's one of the oldest known agencies helping the missing I'm aware of.

Stampit, I appreciate your concern and hope this isn't a hoax. I'm glad your parents are doing well and that you went to help them, you seem very caring and a good child to them. I understand that you were tied up with them, no problem there.

If your exceptionally interested in this case, that's good. Many people get involved and taken by such cases, in hopes of seeing it solved, one way or the other. This type of dedication is what often causes a case or a missing person to be located and solved. I commend you fot that.

But I'm weary as to the overall truth of this thread. I don't want to offend or hurt you, just my suspicions are raised and I wanted to be honest. We all like to get involved, that's why we're here to begin with.

However, we have had people come on here and start threads and not be geniune, and I hope that's not the case here. I will be checking in here for updates, I hope all is well for you and your family, and all the readers here.

I would love to see this case solved too. The apparent abuse of this child raises my hinky meters about her disappearance. Sounds like to me it's an inside job, to silence her.

As far as if the neighbors were mine, and there is truth to this thread, I would continue to seek to get answers concerning my suspicions since they are related to this girl and act soooooooo weird.

Heck, if it was me, and I was outside and observed the father cussing and mistreating the kids to the level you described, I would have said something to the bullying abuser right there on the spot. I also would have told those kids in front of him that it was wrong what was happening, that's not correct parenting, and their more valuable than to be spoken to in such un-acceptable un-Godly ways. But that's me, and everyone isn't like me and I understand that.

What does everyone else here reading think? I hope I haven't been offensive, that's not what I want to be towards anyone and willing to change my opinion at anytime. thanks.

[Jdee]

Kool Look I don't think we have enough information here to sleuth. An air compressor going on and off all the time at a possible relative to a missing child to me is not that suspicious. This sounds like a small town and I am from a small town and it would be very hard to keep a person hidden in an underground place for 10 years and somebody not know or talk about it. Yes it could happen but... I need more information to buy into this theory and to sleuth it. Just because people are not friendly or wierd acting does not make them guilty of anything other than just being wierd and not friendly.
I would alert the authorities of my suspicions and just keep an eye out across the road to see if any more red flags are raised. Other than that there is not much else to do here that I can see.

[laini]

Hi KoolLook!

I think you are right that after certain situations here at websleuths, we always ask ourselves if someone is lying. (we're sleuthers, after all:cool: ).
And especially if it is someone new to wbsleuths. My gut tells me that stampit3d is telling the truth.

Stampit3d, I hope you understand that we are so happy you have joined websleuths! :blowkiss: It's nothing personal. Please keep us updated! Sometimes these mysteries are solved by someone asking questions like you are.

[phenolred]

My gut tells me Stapit3d is also telling the truth and if its not air to keep someone alive it could be a drug thing.....POT ??? Meth ? Im not sure how they make that do you need an air compressor for that? I know those meth labs blow up, you could say you are worried something like that might happen and you just wanted to report the strange sound....

[KOOL LOOK]

Kool Look I don't think we have enough information here to sleuth. An air compressor going on and off all the time at a possible relative to a missing child to me is not that suspicious. This sounds like a small town and I am from a small town and it would be very hard to keep a person hidden in an underground place for 10 years and somebody not know or talk about it. Yes it could happen but... I need more information to buy into this theory and to sleuth it. Just because people are not friendly or wierd acting does not make them guilty of anything other than just being wierd and not friendly.
I would alert the authorities of my suspicions and just keep an eye out across the road to see if any more red flags are raised. Other than that there is not much else to do here that I can see.

I agree! Good ideas.

Hi KoolLook!

I think you are right that after certain situations here at websleuths, we always ask ourselves if someone is lying. (we're sleuthers, after all:cool: ).
And especially if it is someone new to wbsleuths. My gut tells me that stampit3d is telling the truth.

Stampit3d, I hope you understand that we are so happy you have joined websleuths! :blowkiss: It's nothing personal. Please keep us updated! Sometimes these mysteries are solved by someone asking questions like you are.

I agree also. I'm glad Stampit has joined, and I would be concerned about a neighbor for the reasons she has pointed out also.

My gut tells me Stapit3d is also telling the truth and if its not air to keep someone alive it could be a drug thing.....POT ??? Meth ? Im not sure how they make that do you need an air compressor for that? I know those meth labs blow up, you could say you are worried something like that might happen and you just wanted to report the strange sound....

I also agree, :blowkiss: the neighbors activities are very suspicious. You just never know, cases in the recent years have been solved more so than in the past due to all this technology, forensics, the public trained and more knowledgeable than ever before. Plus we're more aware of crimes across the world, can keep better documentation and history, facts etc... so the crimes aren't just going away, like they did in the past. Cold cases are being solved which is encouraging. Thanks for all of your input concerning my post. :)

[BabyGirlsMom]

Stampit--you mentioned in your post earlier today that there was a teenage girl residing in the house that goes to private school. That peaked my curiosity. I could be waaayyy off here but... is there any resemblance to Brittney? Are they in the same age range? Just a thought...grasping for straws I guess since she has never been found.

[christine2448]

If I even thought for a second that someone was being held against their will or an abductee was being held near my home (anywhere for that matter) me and my gf's would be dressin' up in black, painting our facing, gettin' our night vision googles, cameras, and stuffing my nine in the back of my pants and we would be out adventuring, snooping, sneaking, finding out if there is a person being held. There are ways to do it...a million ways. I would take that approach just becuase that's me. I wouldn't advise anyone else to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be just sitting around waiting to see if someoen was going to investigate. I would take pictures, stake out, get times, routines, know who is who in that house, in a matter of days...I would not be able to live my life if I even thought that someone was being held captive..it would consume me until I was sure one way or another. Please don't take that as me saying anything towards the poster that posted this, that is just ME. I would have to know. I want to go there right now.

[phenolred]

If I even thought for a second that someone was being held against their will or an abductee was being held near my home (anywhere for that matter) me and my gf's would be dressin' up in black, painting our facing, gettin' our night vision googles, cameras, and stuffing my nine in the back of my pants and we would be out adventuring, snooping, sneaking, finding out if there is a person being held. There are ways to do it...a million ways. I would take that approach just becuase that's me. I wouldn't advise anyone else to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be just sitting around waiting to see if someoen was going to investigate. I would take pictures, stake out, get times, routines, know who is who in that house, in a matter of days...I would not be able to live my life if I even thought that someone was being held captive..it would consume me until I was sure one way or another. Please don't take that as me saying anything towards the poster that posted this, that is just ME. I would have to know. I want to go there right now.LOL Christine this sounds just like me I have been know to do some snooping around LOL.....

Im ready lets go check it out!!!

[Jdee]

If I even thought for a second that someone was being held against their will or an abductee was being held near my home (anywhere for that matter) me and my gf's would be dressin' up in black, painting our facing, gettin' our night vision googles, cameras, and stuffing my nine in the back of my pants and we would be out adventuring, snooping, sneaking, finding out if there is a person being held. There are ways to do it...a million ways. I would take that approach just becuase that's me. I wouldn't advise anyone else to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be just sitting around waiting to see if someoen was going to investigate. I would take pictures, stake out, get times, routines, know who is who in that house, in a matter of days...I would not be able to live my life if I even thought that someone was being held captive..it would consume me until I was sure one way or another. Please don't take that as me saying anything towards the poster that posted this, that is just ME. I would have to know. I want to go there right now.

That's a good idea... BUT if you are not good at it you risk being shot (or worse) if these people are wierd or nuts OR messing around with growing dope or...?.
Plus you would be breaking trespassing laws if you were just simply caught on thier property and then they called the cops on you.
You can see a lot from a safe distance with a good pair of binocoluers and a camera.

[KOOL LOOK]

If I even thought for a second that someone was being held against their will or an abductee was being held near my home (anywhere for that matter) me and my gf's would be dressin' up in black, painting our facing, gettin' our night vision googles, cameras, and stuffing my nine in the back of my pants and we would be out adventuring, snooping, sneaking, finding out if there is a person being held. There are ways to do it...a million ways. I would take that approach just becuase that's me. I wouldn't advise anyone else to do it, but I sure as hell wouldn't be just sitting around waiting to see if someoen was going to investigate. I would take pictures, stake out, get times, routines, know who is who in that house, in a matter of days...I would not be able to live my life if I even thought that someone was being held captive..it would consume me until I was sure one way or another. Please don't take that as me saying anything towards the poster that posted this, that is just ME. I would have to know. I want to go there right now.


Amen! According to Stampit, in the least, he is abusive to his children in the name calling, and I took it with the blanks left in the post Stampit was referring to cussing name calling, which is abuse. But maybe not a good enough reason to alert authorities, but I took it also she's witnessed it a few times. So, that would change the balance of the scales a little for me.

I hope we'll get an update soon and I appreciate any updates Stampit is able to give us.

[SeriouslySearching]

Private Investigators don't worry too much about bending or breaking a few "tresspassing" laws. They go about gaining information in much the same way as described above...including the cameras, binoculars, and such. Still, they do have the expertise in doing things in stealth mode so as not to get caught. Sneaky Petes!

[christine2448]

That's a good idea... BUT if you are not good at it you risk being shot (or worse) if these people are wierd or nuts OR messing around with growing dope or...?.
Plus you would be breaking trespassing laws if you were just simply caught on thier property and then they called the cops on you.
You can see a lot from a safe distance with a good pair of binocoluers and a camera.

You are right, that's why I said, I wouldn't suggest others do it, but I would, (the thought of drugs is why I'd have my nine in my pants, LOL)...kinda like DO NOT ATTEMPT TO DO THIS AT HOME disclaimer you see on those crazy stunt shows is what I was saying.

I do UC PI work here and there (mostly Federal Anti Piracy) and I love it!

[christine2448]

Private Investigators don't worry too much about bending or breaking a few "tresspassing" laws. They go about gaining information in much the same way as described above...including the cameras, binoculars, and such. Still, they do have the expertise in doing things in stealth mode so as not to get caught. Sneaky Petes!

LOL....that's what I was talking about when posting while you were posting at the same time! GMTA!

[TGIRecovered]

Too bad we are responsible adults living in three different states, christine248, me and KOOL would be joining you on a stakeout!:cool:

Susan

[christine2448]

Too bad we are responsible adults living in three different states, christine248, me and KOOL would be joining you on a stakeout!:cool:

Susan

There's always the weekend :D Responsible, ahhh, OK,maybe?

Where is this anwyays?? Let me look back............

[KOOL LOOK]

Too bad we are responsible adults living in three different states, christine248, me and KOOL would be joining you on a stakeout!:cool:

Susan

I would walk right up to the end of his driveway when I heard him cussin and being cruel to those kids and give him the "Have you lost your freakin mind, look?" If he'll do that where others can see and witness his behavior, we all know it's worse behind closed doors, not don't we?

Yes, I would have already found out what was going on with the air compressor. I have to have my peace and quiet. If it was drugs, you can tell, alot of traffic in and out. They should have fine automobiles, cell phones, jewelry, something giving away red flags.

Criminals aren't that smart one hundred percent of the time. As hard as those two work, both having good jobs as Stampit pointed out, I seriously doubt it's drug related. I just ain't buyin into that scenerio one bit. Nope.

Heck, with this neighbors mean behind, he maybe making one of those teenagers live in the basement, that's probably what's truly going on. Many parents do that, good and bad ones. He sounds like a mean one though.

[phenolred]

Someone had mentioned using the excuse of a lost cat. I actually used that one time doing some investigating! I actually carried a cat carrier with me and was saying her kitty kitty just in case somebody wondered what I was doing snoping around......LOL

[KOOL LOOK]

Could someone post the link to Brittany's case that was posted here. I would like to start reading up on that thread. I believe I faintly remeber reading something about it here. But I honestly can't remember. TIA, I want to familiarize myself with her case.

[SeriouslySearching]

If you will go to Search here on the site and type in her name...a few threads will pop up including this one. : )

[KOOL LOOK]

If you will go to Search here on the site and type in her name...a few threads will pop up including this one. : )

I just did that. Wow, I was shocked and amazed. Lots of public info out there concerning Brittney.

Stampit, she already has a National missing number Hon! Didn't know if you knew by your posts.

So this happened in Sturgis, Michigan in 1997. According to her mother she last saw Brittany riding her bike through the neighborhood at 8:30 p.m. Her brother, police confirmation and a witness say she was last seen sitting on a bench, and had talked to an unidentified man driving a red or brown renault.

Three men, father, brother of father and step father all three arrested for abusing and sexually assaulting these children. The step father is in prison for sexually molesting Brittney. Somethigns went haywire here. If all these people knew about the molestation, and then it was only prosecuted after her disappearance, don't we think she could have been gotten rid of by an involved or knowledge adult in her inner circle of family? I do.

[Jdee]

I just did that. Wow, I was shocked and amazed. Lots of public info out there concerning Brittney.

Stampit, she already has a National missing number Hon! Didn't know if you knew by your posts.

So this happened in Sturgis, Michigan in 1997. According to her mother she last saw Brittany riding her bike through the neighborhood at 8:30 p.m. Her brother, police confirmation and a witness say she was last seen sitting on a bench, and had talked to an unidentified man driving a red or brown renault.

Three men, father, brother of father and step father all three arrested for abusing and sexually assaulting these children. The step father is in prison for sexually molesting Brittney. Somethigns went haywire here. If all these people knew about the molestation, and then it was only prosecuted after her disappearance, don't we think she could have been gotten rid of by an involved or knowledge adult in her inner circle of family? I do.

I agree! Also I read on the Charley Project that she was speaking to an unknown male driving a red and brown mid-size vehicle and she went over to a witness and told them she had 'made a new friend". She was never seen again after this.
From this I would surmise this was not someone she knew.. but then maybe this person had nothing to do with her disapearance.

[KOOL LOOK]

I agree! Also I read on the Charley Project that she was speaking to an unknown male driving a red and brown mid-size vehicle and she went over to a witness and told them she had 'made a new friend". She was never seen again after this.
From this I would surmise this was not someone she knew.. but then maybe this person had nothing to do with her disapearance.


There's all kinds of info out there concerning Brittney. I'm still shocked. A couple of suspicions fall on different people. Doesn't sound like this will be solved unless somebody spills the beans that has some information.

Ten years is a long time, so someone is real good at keeping secrets. The witness in the article wasn't named that attested to her telling them she just met a new friend. I question that statement all together.

Her bike was found abandoned. A stranger abduction is possible especially since her body hasn't been found.

An idea just popped in my head. Maybe Stampit should print up the missing posters of brittney, the age progressed one too, and post them around her neighborhood. What do ya'll think of that? Since it's public information, and maybe just maybe if the teenage girl like one poster mentioned might possible be Brittney, it could trigger her brain if she was brainwashed into changing her name at an early age of six.

Elizabeth Smart comes to mind here. I'm still puzzled, why are we at this point?

[christine2448]

An idea just popped in my head. Maybe Stampit should print up the missing posters of brittney, the age progressed one too, and post them around her neighborhood. What do ya'll think of that? Since it's public information, and maybe just maybe if the teenage girl like one poster mentioned might possible be Brittney, it could trigger her brain if she was brainwashed into changing her name at an early age of six.

Elizabeth Smart comes to mind here.


I agree, start posting posters..that's the least that should be done.

[SeriouslySearching]

It would be a positive way for the entire neighborhood to respond to their suspicions. If the posters end up being torn down quickly...you will have another reason to be suspicious...won't you?! Then you can see who doesn't want the case to be revisited. Hmmm...

[diamondgirl]

I personally do not think you should snoop around. I would, if I were you, call the cops as often as I could. Call about the noisy compressor, call saying the husband is yelling ( and it frightens you), or anything. When you were saying they didn't let their little girl talk to you or any other kids, that really worried me. If you wanted to hide something, you would keep your kids away from people, because they have big mouths ( I know, I have 2 elementary age kids). If these people have the same last name, then they are related to the girl's father who commited those crimes on her.. Just a thought. Not to say that makes them like him. And....it may just be because something like this happened so close to home they are just very protective people.

[BethInAK]

I think there is a good chance that the family did somehow kill this child. I think its unlikely however, that the child is still alive in some bunker.

Putting up posters just may make antagonistic relationships worse. Would want to see the poster of your missing child in your face every day?

[SeriouslySearching]

The name Beers is actually quite common and the people would not have to be related in any way to the missing girl.

If I had a relative or a child missing...I would be delighted to see her face posted everywhere and see her smiling at me every single day from those posters! It would mean someone still cared enough to remember her and wanted to help bring her home to us.

It would ONLY antagonize someone who did not want her mentioned again.

[BethInAK]

The name Beers is actually quite common and the people would not have to be related in any way to the missing girl.

If I had a relative or a child missing...I would be delighted to see her face posted everywhere and see her smiling at me every single day from those posters! It would mean someone still cared enough to remember her and wanted to help bring her home to us.

It would ONLY antagonize someone who did not want her mentioned again.

If your family had been in jail for molesting this child and been suspects in her murder, would you feel the same way? I'm thinking its likely a family member did kill this child.

[KOOL LOOK]

If your family had been in jail for molesting this child and been suspects in her murder, would you feel the same way? I'm thinking its likely a family member did kill this child.

Good point.

Seriouslysearching, please clear your pm's. Thanks in advance.

[Spazkat9696]

Maybe they don't want their kids talking to strangers or neighbors because Brittney was taken by a stranger and they don't want a repeat. I would think if a family member of mine was kidnapped I would never let my son to to anyone ever again.

[SeriouslySearching]

If your family had been in jail for molesting this child and been suspects in her murder, would you feel the same way? I'm thinking its likely a family member did kill this child.
Like I said, it would only antagonize someone who didn't want her mentioned again.

If they DID know what happened and said nothing...they deserve to feel horrible by having her poster up all over town. If they had no involvement...they should want to find out what happened to their innocent relative.

[Salem]

Amen! According to Stampit, in the least, he is abusive to his children in the name calling, and I took it with the blanks left in the post Stampit was referring to cussing name calling, which is abuse. But maybe not a good enough reason to alert authorities, but I took it also she's witnessed it a few times. So, that would change the balance of the scales a little for me.

I hope we'll get an update soon and I appreciate any updates Stampit is able to give us.

I agree that cussing at your children and calling them names is abusive. It is also hard on their self-esteem and self-worth. I would be calling CPS in a heart beat. Typically, not always, but typically where an outsider sees this type of behavior - much worse is happening where the outsider does not see. No child deserves to be treated in this way.

So Stampit3d, since you have seen this behavior, I urge you to call CPS. This phone call could "get two birds with one stone." You might get some answers to what is happening in the house and the children would be looked in on.

Salem

[stampit3d]

Just to put your minds at ease about whether the Beers girl could actually be Brittney....the answer is "no".
When they first moved in it was over 11 years ago and she was with them then. Brittney came missing not quite 10 years ago.
Megan (their daughter) is a pudgy girl with very dark hair and looks just like her mother.
Brittney was a small child with blond hair. They do not even resemble one another.....I remember having her pointed out to me once by my friends daughter when I was there visiting (Brittney was playing with her daughter at the time in front of the apt)......and she mentioned that Brittney was my daughters friend`s (Tina`s) child.
As far as my writting here being some sort of a hoax it`s not. Of course you guys do not know me at all....so I am not at all upset or offended. I don`t usually just blindly trust people that i don`t know either, so it`s Ok, really.
If you did know me, and knew all that`s going on in my life at the moment you`d probably laugh at yourself for even thinking I`d have the TIME to be writing anything on here at all! :-)
The only thing I have actually said is that the camper from 10 years ago and the compresser from over a year ago have created suspicion within our neighborhood....and I am haunted by the thoughts of "what if" these people were involved in some way (Heaven forbid that they were!)
I did`nt come onto my puter, looking for a forum to write to...I came looking for a way to contact the FBI and tell them about this (whether they`d think I was crazy or not) And this site came up. After putting Brittney`s name in the search I realized she had been discussed on here and that`s why I posted about this......testing the waters to see if anyone thought my thought were nuts.
Possibly there is absolutly nothing to this compresser thing....or as some have suggested...maybe there is some illegal dope thing going on (we are in a good, secluded area for that!) Who knows??? BUT I AM GLAD that I contacted the FBI, even though they said there was nothing they could do unless they are called in on the case (Which I really did`nt quite understand , because originally THEY WERE CALLED in on Brittney`s case) but at least the lady clued me in to contact the center for Missing & Exploited Children. There is relief in having done that, whether there is anything going on that involves her or whether it`s something else....or nothing.
Posters remain up all over Sturgis....I "see her" everytime i go to town.....we have not forgotten this child !
Linda

[SeriouslySearching]

Linda~ I am glad there are posters still up and you are actively pursuing leads in looking for the little girl. You never know what clues will end up providing LE the information to lead down the right path. Being alert and aware is always a good thing.

We are also glad you chose to post. Sometimes, posters aren't who they appear to be and it can be difficult to trust on the internet. As hard as we try, we are always skeptical by nature and questioning everything! I guess it is the reason we come here, in a way. We analyze. We scrutinize. It is simply the nature of the site. (I am sure when I first came here, people didn't know what to make of me either! Uhm...they probably still don't. LOL)

Actually, with all you have going on in your life...being here makes sense. Sometimes when things seem totally out of our control, it is good to try to help others and put our energy towards something besides the issues we have to deal with daily. By allowing time to think about someone other than yourself or your problems, you are giving yourself a much needed break. I hope things ease up on you soon.

You are welcome to post away! Maybe some good will come out of this either for Brittney or her family. It might jog some memories to keep her name out there. Another good thing might be for you to ask a local paper to do a follow up story on Brittney. (They might want to try to interview the family.)

[stampit3d]

You know, it`s a gloomy day here in Sturgis....and with the anniversary of Brittney`s disappearance coming up in a little over a week.....and with having thoughts of her fresh in my mind and heart from being on this site ....I find myself being just so sad....and not just for her, but for all those children who are missing, whether they survived or not.
In some ways it`s seems almost easier to remember those who we know did not survive (please don`t think I`m awful for saying that) than those who are just "out there someplace"....not knowing if they are dead or alive, or if they are alive, what might be happening to them.The not knowing ....how do people who have someone missing deal with it???? How do they live with the horrible dread and hope all at the same time? It is more than my mind can handle even thinking of it.
It seems that this world is getting worse and worse as far as abuse issues go.....and more often than not it is abuse prepitrated by families against their own.
I can remember being a little girl back in the 1950`s and my mother telling me to NEVER take anything from a "stranger"....NEVER get in a car with a "stranger".....that`s simply what folks thought back then. They did`nt want to believe that it could be someone they were related to, or someone they considered to be a friend....but it was`nt a 'stranger" who molested me.....it was an uncle and some of his "friends'....someone known and trusted by our family.....and that`s not just me.....many of the women I have worked with in groups report that it was a family member or family friend. In fact I don`t recall at the moment of even one woman saying she was grabbed off the street and molested by a "stranger".
The only good thing I can see happening is that I do believe more of us are beginning to "get our heads out of the sand" concerning abuse and are better equipping our children and grandchildren (as well as being taught in schools) how to, hopefully, avoid becoming a victim, and to TELL if it does happen.
My counselor once told me that it is hidding from the truth, and wearing the shame (that does`nt belong to us, but should belong to the perp) that does the most damage, because as long as it is hidden the issues that surround the abuse don`t get dealt with. He said a child that can find a way to tell it, is believed, the abuse stopped, and the child helped to cope does not end up having nearly so many problems with the aftermath of the abuse later in life.
It helps me to believe that those who did not survive are safe now in a Better Place... and for those who have committed horrible deeds against another human being, but have not ,and may not ever be caught in their lifetime, I do believe that One Day they will answer for their acts....that they will NOT "get by with it" Forever , but will get their just payment!!!
These are just some of my random thoughts today.....my words here don`t require anyone to respond.....it`s just rather theraputic for me to write them out......and it`s been a long time since I "journaled" anything ....guess that`s what Im doing here....because I feel comfortable with you all.
Thanks for making me feel welcome here....and thank you all for caring so much about others. You are a blessing!
Have a great day....I hope the sun is shining on you wherever you are!
Linda

[laini]

You know, it`s a gloomy day here in Sturgis....and with the anniversary of Brittney`s disappearance coming up in a little over a week.....and with having thoughts of her fresh in my mind and heart from being on this site ....I find myself being just so sad....and not just for her, but for all those children who are missing, whether they survived or not.
In some ways it`s seems almost easier to remember those who we know did not survive (please don`t think I`m awful for saying that) than those who are just "out there someplace"....not knowing if they are dead or alive, or if they are alive, what might be happening to them.The not knowing ....how do people who have someone missing deal with it???? How do they live with the horrible dread and hope all at the same time? It is more than my mind can handle even thinking of it.
It seems that this world is getting worse and worse as far as abuse issues go.....and more often than not it is abuse prepitrated by families against their own.
I can remember being a little girl back in the 1950`s and my mother telling me to NEVER take anything from a "stranger"....NEVER get in a car with a "stranger".....that`s simply what folks thought back then. They did`nt want to believe that it could be someone they were related to, or someone they considered to be a friend....but it was`nt a 'stranger" who molested me.....it was an uncle and some of his "friends'....someone known and trusted by our family.....and that`s not just me.....many of the women I have worked with in groups report that it was a family member or family friend. In fact I don`t recall at the moment of even one woman saying she was grabbed off the street and molested by a "stranger".
The only good thing I can see happening is that I do believe more of us are beginning to "get our heads out of the sand" concerning abuse and are better equipping our children and grandchildren (as well as being taught in schools) how to, hopefully, avoid becoming a victim, and to TELL if it does happen.
My counselor once told me that it is hidding from the truth, and wearing the shame (that does`nt belong to us, but should belong to the perp) that does the most damage, because as long as it is hidden the issues that surround the abuse don`t get dealt with. He said a child that can find a way to tell it, is believed, the abuse stopped, and the child helped to cope does not end up having nearly so many problems with the aftermath of the abuse later in life.
It helps me to believe that those who did not survive are safe now in a Better Place... and for those who have committed horrible deeds against another human being, but have not ,and may not ever be caught in their lifetime, I do believe that One Day they will answer for their acts....that they will NOT "get by with it" Forever , but will get their just payment!!!
These are just some of my random thoughts today.....my words here don`t require anyone to respond.....it`s just rather theraputic for me to write them out......and it`s been a long time since I "journaled" anything ....guess that`s what Im doing here....because I feel comfortable with you all.
Thanks for making me feel welcome here....and thank you all for caring so much about others. You are a blessing!
Have a great day....I hope the sun is shining on you wherever you are!
Linda

Linda - wonderful post! I hope things slow down for you and your family and maybe you can hang around here more often. I think you think like us;) . Looking forward to any updates you have on your neighbors. I have been thinking about Brittany a lot since you posted here. It is good to get these cold cases new attention and talk about them.

[phenolred]

anything new with this, Have you heard anything?

[hotmomma35]

Hey, this is not pertaining to this case, but I was wondering if anyone else watched nancy grace last night? about the little girl on the video tape? is there anything posted in ws about this ? the creep needs to have his pic posted all over the place. That poor little girl could be missing and her pic should be all over also. if anyone knows anything let me know. If you know of a site about this also let me know. I didnt see anything on ws this morning.

[Masterj]

Hey, this is not pertaining to this case, but I was wondering if anyone else watched nancy grace last night? about the little girl on the video tape? is there anything posted in ws about this ? the creep needs to have his pic posted all over the place. That poor little girl could be missing and her pic should be all over also. if anyone knows anything let me know. If you know of a site about this also let me know. I didnt see anything on ws this morning.

There are numerous threads about it in the crime section.

[CaliKid]

There are numerous threads about it in the crime section.

Both child and perp have been identified, and the child has been found safe.

[Tonia]

The poster above is wrong,brittany has not been located. I found an updated article posted today about her.

Search renewed for Sturgis girl missing 12 years

This week marks the 12th anniversary of the disappearance of a Sturgis girl.

The FBI and local police say they're renewing efforts to find Brittany Beers. She was 7 years old on Sept. 16, 1997, when she was last seen sitting on a bench near the apartment complex where her family lived.

Investigators tell WNDU-TV in South Bend, Ind., they're going back over the entire case to look for new leads. Sturgis is near the Indiana border, about 80 miles south of Grand Rapids.

Investigators say they hope the passage of time will make it easier for people with knowledge about Brittany's disappearance to break their silence and come forward.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-mi-sturgisgirlmissin,0,3169062.story