Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart

[Alice253]

Couldn't decide whether to post this here or in Up to the Minute, but finally decided here since one of the deaths was ruled a homicide.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296171,00.html

CENTERVILLE, Ind. — The deaths of two sisters inside their family home just days apart has investigators working to determine whether they were linked.

Police officers found the body of 18-year-old Kelly Stanley on Friday morning after being called to the home of her parents, state police Sgt. Noel Houze Jr. said. Whether the death of Stanley, who had been healthy, involved foul play was not immediately determined and an autopsy was planned for Saturday, he said.

Her 19-year-old sister, Erin Stanley, died Sept. 1. The Wayne County coroner's office ruled that death a homicide on Friday. No other details were released. Erin Stanley was mother of a young girl.

"We don't know what this is going to turn out to be, but it is kind of strange circumstances that you have two deaths in the same home within just a few days of each other," Houze said.

More at link....

[Taximom]

Wow, how weird.

Kelly's Myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=12042210

Erin's private Myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=15077183

Pics of the girls here:
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709080302

I wonder if the baby's daddy has anything to do with this? The girls seem like nice kids.

[AmandaBrown23]

Wow how sad for their families. That must be devastating.

[T-Rex]

Is it possible one sister killed the other, then killed herself a few days later?
Normally I'd assume the parents, but neighbors are standing by them.

[angelmom]

Reading Kelly's myspace is so sad. Normally when a myspace page is linked here it just makes me shudder and so grateful that my kids aren't that age yet. Kelly's seems so innocent. Reading the message from her sister just a day or so before she died, and then all the messages of support from her friends consoling her about Erin...what a nightmare for this family.

I am really curious about Kelly's COD. It doesn't say if they have any other children. Either way, can you imagine these poor parents? How are they even getting out of bed? I am saying an extra prayer for them.

[Taximom]

Reading Kelly's myspace is so sad. Normally when a myspace page is linked here it just makes me shudder and so grateful that my kids aren't that age yet. Kelly's seems so innocent. Reading the message from her sister just a day or so before she died, and then all the messages of support from her friends consoling her about Erin...what a nightmare for this family.

I am really curious about Kelly's COD. It doesn't say if they have any other children. Either way, can you imagine these poor parents? How are they even getting out of bed? I am saying an extra prayer for them.

From the sympathy notes I've seen on the Topix forums, it sounds like the family only had the two teens and the baby girl. If there's a father in the picture and he's a decent young man, he may get custody of the baby. Then the parents won't have anyone in the home. :(

The coroner ruled Erin's COD a homicide on Friday, and that's when LE was called to the home about Kelly's death (in the morning). Maybe LE let the family know Thursday before letting the public know? Which might explain an untimely death Friday morning of Kelly, if she had anything to do with her sister's death.

I'm just guessing. They both seem so nice that it's hard to believe one would hurt the other on purpose. IF that's the case anyway.

[Taximom]

This is part of a comment from "chosen" that peaked my interest:
Its over now....now you can rest. but you just started to live your life!!! and college.....If anyone ever gets this...know parents. Im praying for you.

Not sure what it might mean, if anything.

[englishleigh]

Erin looks a LOT like the daughter of a friend of mine.

This is unbelievably sad. Many, many prayers to those parents. We need to follow this one b/c it is just too tragic and odd.

[Taximom]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070908/UPDATES/70908014

Autopsy on Centerville teen fails to pinpoint cause of death
PALLADIUM-ITEM


CENTERVILLE, Ind. — Autopsy results Saturday have produced no conclusive findings regarding the death of a Centerville teen whose sister was found dead and believed murdered just days before. More testing will have to be done to determine what caused the death of Kelly Stanley, 18, whose body was found by her parents Dale and Lonny Stanley on Friday morning inside their home on 704 Elm Drive, according to a release. The body of the Stanley’s eldest daughter, Erin, 19, was found inside the home Sept. 1 in what authorities suspect was a strangulation death. (more plus comments at link)

[Taximom]

Interesting comment at the above link:

every one has there opinion and thoughts about this and the rumors spread fast. i know these girls like the back of my hand they come to me and look up to me. i do know all three that is including the boyfriend. hearing erin was strangled i do believe it was an accident only because i know the boyfriend nice boy but can snap easily i honestly believe it was an accident and then a shock and scared. i heard someone was accusing the parents my opinion since i know them thats crazy dad and mom spoiled these girls they were there life.as for kelly i love kelly sweet girl erin her sis was her life they went everywhere together it states in the paper she was murdered first off no autopsy yet dont assume if i no kelly she couldnt live without her sis at all. the suspect is dumb but not that dumb to go back to the house i did give my statement to police i just wanted everyone to hear my opinion and to realize centerville is a safe place this i believe by noing all of them a bickerment started and he snaped for a minute and didnt mean to do what he did. kelly i believe cant live without erin. as kelly stated to me my sister is gone now what do i do. i had no answer but to say im so sorry i wish i could go back to just sit and talk more to her. dale an lonnie you are the nicest people im so sorry this had to happen ive enjoyed your girls company for years and will always remember them and there smiles

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:54 pm

[Taximom]

Maybe the baby daddy did it (seems someone thinks he can "snap"), and Kelly figured it out or was told. He might have killed her to keep her quiet.

[SewingDeb]

I don't know how the parents can take this. I'm saying a prayer for them right now.

[Taximom]

A comment Erin left on a friend's myspace:
Aug 28 2007 8:12P

Hey everyone is doin good we are livin in gahanna ohio its in columbus its kool she got her 4 month shots today and shes gettin her first tooth in also ...well talk to you later...


(Yet she was killed in her parent's home 9/1/07)

[Taximom]

I'm bouncing between friend's myspaces and came across a comment that indicated they had been told Erin had a heart attack. Another comment later said that "they just heard today about Erin" and that comment posted 9/8. I wonder if people were originally told heart attack and then told "strangled" after the autopsy?

The whole thing is weird. Most of all, no word of the mysterious "James".

Then I found this blog comment (only bringing partial over) at:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=20751779&blogID=306254355&Mytoken=B8456EA5-AD55-4BEA-B753D66C7CD60BBF80236441

September 2, 2007 - Sunday
Life is too short.
It's crazy to think how short life can be. And how some people can take the little things in life for granted. I recently had a good friend i went to high school with pass away. I mean no disrespect towards family by writing this. Because i don't know the details, and im not going to spread things that i HEARD. It just, has touched my life as well as so many others'. And its left me confused, sad, and left me to think about life and how much some of the smallest things can weigh in life. I worked with Erin, went to school with her, saw movies with her, played softball and basketball with her. And even tho over the past year we hadn't kept in touch too much, with the random myspace comment or message, I will never forget the times that we did share. (my underline)

[Mygirlsadie]

How do two young girls just die out of the blue? Sisters none the less? And the comment about oh the one sister died because she just couldnt live without the other one is bull kaka...I'm sorry but something killed her ..something killed both of them and what was it? This is the most weird thing.. (and obviously extremely sad and gut wrenching for the parents)

[Truthful Lies]

This is bizzare

[shdbepaintin]

Autopsy fails to determine cause of Centerville woman's death
Body of 18-year-old was found days after death of sister, 19, who police think was strangled
CENTERVILLE, Ind. -- Results from an autopsy Saturday failed to pinpoint the cause of death of a Centerville woman whose sister was believed to have been slain just days before.


Additional testing will be done to determine what caused the death of Kelly Stanley, 18, whose body was found by her parents, Dale and Lonny Stanley, on Friday morning inside the family's home in Centerville. The body of another daughter, Erin, 19, was found inside the home Sept. 1; authorities suspect she was strangled.
"All I can say is that this is an on-going investigation," said Indiana State Police Sgt. John Bowling. "We are just waiting on the toxicology report and other test results."
Toxicology reports typically take six to eight weeks and are undertaken to determine whether drugs or other potentially lethal substances are present

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070909/LOCAL/709090443/1196

[SewingDeb]

My first thought was that the sisters were bonded like twins being so close in age...I have two daughters 13 months apart who are now teens and they are that way...When the one sister was killed, the other probably had nothing to do with it but felt she couldn't live without her and she probably took an overdose to kill herself.

My heart goes out the family who must be in total shock and disbelief that this has happened to their loved ones. I hope both cases will be solved soon.

[Taximom]

Friend reflects on sisters:
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070909/NEWS01/709090303/1008


"I'm just in total awe about it all," she said. "When you're friends (since childhood) and now neither one of them are here, it's just horrible."
The Stanley family was apparently well liked around the community and Scott said the sisters were especially close.
"They were like best friends. Kelly and Erin were," she said. "They were always smiling, they were always good girls. They never met a stranger." "I just hope they find whatever or whoever is going on," Scott said.

[Taximom]

Clues sought
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070909/NEWS01/709090302/1008


Clues sought in 2 deaths
Autopsy results for second sister inconclusive
BY RYAN S. CLARK
STAFF WRITER

CENTERVILLE, Ind. -- Results from an autopsy Saturday failed to pinpoint the cause of death of a Centerville teen whose sister was believed to have been murdered just days before.


"All I can say is that this is an ongoing investigation," Bowling said. "We are just waiting on the toxicology report and other test results." Toxicology reports typically take from six to eight weeks to complete and are undertaken to determine whether drugs or other potentially lethal substances can be traced in the body.


Authorities have issued two news releases about the case, which is attracting a wide regional interest. There has been no public suggestion that authorities have a "person of interest" or a suspect in the case, despite broadcast news accounts suggesting otherwise.
Wandersee was asked if the police had a suspect or whether the public should be concerned that there might be a serial killer on the loose.
"There is nothing of the latter, nothing we consider to be a public safety risk at all," Wandersee said, "But I'd rather have you talk to (Wayne County Prosecutor) Mike Shipman," he said.
Shipman has been unreachable, declining to return reporters' calls. On Friday he would only say that he will not discuss the case or answer questions until Monday.
Wandersee, while patrolling Centerville on Saturday, described the town's residents as shocked by the recent events. "I think there's no question that you know this is a major event here," he said. "And people are kind of shocked, myself included."

[Taximom]

A comment from the Pal-Item forum (lots of locals post there):
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9913
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:14 pm Post subject: My children knew both girls and through the myspace grapevine they knew of the strangulation of the older sister and that they thought it was the boyfriend
who was the suspect who did it. They also heard he left town and could not be found. It is so sad for the family who has to endure two tragedies. I heard the second death on the police scanner this morning and could hardly believe it. No one is sure yet whether this death was a suicide or murder. My prayers go out to the family. WHy the first death was not put in the paper a long time ago who knows!?!?

[Taximom]

From another forum poster
DQQUEEN83:
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: ok i knew both girls personally and NO it was no suicide this "botfriend" knew what he was doing both times. He needs to go to hell for this!! Please pray for this family.

[MeoW333]

Would it have been possible the boyfriend strangled Erin during sexual intercourse, then got scared since it went to far? I have heard stories of people dying from that every so often. My prayers for the family.

[Taximom]

From "whoknowswhat":
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:24 pm Post subject: Small town, Big worriesI talked with the family last week...Kelly was sure the boyfriend had harmed her sister and was going to do everything in her power to raise her sisters child.

I agree not all the details should be provided, but maybe she needed protection as a young sibling, from a working class family, with values and rights.

This is somthing that will stay with our town for years. I would have personlly stayed with her while she was there alone or organized a wtach or just been aware of touble in our area.

Bless you, mom and dad (you are good parents) and we pray for Alexis.

Protect your children and keep them safe...Bad people are everywhere....even when they are not welcome.

I can't get this one out of my mind.....strikes closer and closer every day!"

[Taximom]

(I hope you guys don't mind all these comments!)

From "pacesetter"
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:51 pm Post subject: I agree niseylane, from good sources the police were aware of abuse from this boyfriend. I am assuming that he is the father of this child so if he was still on the loose after the first murder,any caretakers of the baby were in danger and they should have been watching the house. I hope that the boyfriend did not get the baby because that baby is in danger too. Hopefully they have this animal in custody by now. Such a shame!
If this guy hasn't been caught he is a danger to everyone that crosses his path. He isn't the type to kill himself or he would have done it by now. Another death to him is nothing now, so everyone especially these girls parents should be careful.


(Yes, I'd be concerned about the grandbaby. I hope the parents have left town with her till this is solved, if the baby daddy had anything to do with these deaths.)

[Taximom]

Would it have been possible the boyfriend strangled Erin during sexual intercourse, then got scared since it went to far? I have heard stories of people dying from that every so often. My prayers for the family.

That could have happened too. She was found in bed, blue in the face.

On 8/28 she indicated via a Myspace comment that they were living in Gahanna, OH, and mentioned the baby. That might be where he's from. I wonder how they met? Anyway, if she was back at her parent's home and found dead by 9/1...I can't help but wonder why. Her myspace quote still indicated love for James. This might have been your classic domestic violence situation.

What I think is interesting is the total absence of his name from any sympathy comments from their friends. Usually you might see "How is James doing?" etc. I haven't seen that ONCE.

[calidreamin]

This is so strange I hope the police find out what happend here. Those poor parents, I just can't imagine losing one of my children, nevermind two of them. :(

[reb]

'JAMES' did it. Obviously.

He killed Erin, and then Kelly was going to turn him in so he killed her too to shut her up.

[Taximom]

Reb, I tend to agree. I'm glad he didn't get to the baby though (IF he did it). Or we'd probably have another case like Tori and Dean (baby hung in crib).

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Gang,

I've been watching this alongside you all. This is completely horrid! Okay... Yesterday I did some fishing around and finally got to an article that I don't think we have discussed in here yet.

"Sisters' deaths shake Centerville"
http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7044469

Also, check out the video at the above page. I think you can see from where the following quotes/text came.

Here are some blurbs:
>>Prosecutor Mike Shipman says he has no information on the cause of death or suspects in either case. Neighbors say Erin, the sister who died Saturday, recently moved back into her parent's house here, along with her baby. A man moved into the house as well.

Neighbors say they saw the young couple on the front lawn a couple weeks ago. One witness said Erin was "holding the baby and saying that the father of the baby was not going to get the baby. So he told the mother to move the car out, that he was leaving."<<

Hmmmm...now how the heck do you interpret the above? I don't know that the video makes this any more clear than the above, but it is worth listening to.

Obviously Erin moved back in with her parents. A "man" moved into the house. Was this "another or new man" in Erin's life OR babydaddy (its not clear in the above)? A neighbor said they saw the young couple (evidently Erin and this man that moved in too) on the front lawn a couple weeks before Erin's death. A witness said Erin was holding the baby and saying that the father of the baby was NOT going to get the baby. Was she referring to the guy that was standing there, he wasn't getting the baby, he was babydaddy OR?

The video takes the above quote in the news article a step further. It refers to, "neighbors say they saw that man on the front lawn in an argument." So the scene on the lawn was an argument, per the neighbors. The couple was evidently not just talking, but arguing, it appears. You can hear the young fellow who the article seems to have quoted speaking in the video.

Now then...the article "seems" to indicate that the man in the young couple (the man that had moved in, the man on the lawn) "might not" have been babydaddy. But if you listen to the witness, it would appear that he was equating the two people in the arguing couple to be mother/father of the baby. BUT...this is not altogether clear in the above quote in the article.

Whoever this guy was, the fellow on the lawn, had the mother move the car out. Move the car out from where? Was it in and/or hidden in the garage and mom's car was outside in the driveway blocking the exit (you can see the garages and driveway in the video). So whoever this guy was, another man or baby daddy was leaving because Erin said, "the father of the baby was not going to get the baby."

Well, the above article and video just confuses me. IF this was "another man" perhaps the car was hidden in the garage so that "babydaddy" couldn't see it. Perhaps Erin heard from babydaddy, "If you live with that guy, I'll take the baby from you." And so maybe Erin told the guy, "No way can you stay, you have to leave or he will take my baby from me, he is NOT getting the baby." So...the guy took off.

BUT... The other side of the coin was that this was babydaddy, Erin and him were fighting, he said he was taking the baby, she said no, get out, and he wanted the car out so that he could leave without the baby.

How do all of you interpret the article and video, particularly in light of anything else you might have read?

W

[calidreamin]

Hi there wrinkles thank you so much for the article and video link, I took what I just read and heard from the video that the father of the baby had moved in with the mother a couple of weeks ago and it was him she was arguing with on the lawn. Sheesh this poor family, my heart is broken for their parents.

[Taximom]

Hmm, I wonder if that male witness knew the name but didn't want to say it for the public so he said "the father".

I think it's the baby daddy all the way.

I'd sure like to know how they met, because she deserved so much more.

Great find, Wrinkles!

[Wrinkles]

Now then...

Who is James, who Erin said she loved. Is that babydaddy or was Alexis fathered by someone else? Who was Erin living with in Gahanna, Ohio? One might assume that was babydaddy, but is that James?

Without knowing a lot more of simple facts, it is hard to tell. Maybe Erin was in love with James, tried to work things out with babydaddy (he being someone else), then came back to be with James? Was "James" the man that moved in? Why wouldn't the neighbors know the name of this "man?" Kinda odd that there hasn't been connections to names with this "man." Did neighbors not communicate here? This was a "tiny" town, from what I hear...

http://www.city-data.com/city/Centerville-Indiana.html
Population (year 2000): 2,427

How about Erin's cause of death. The article I mentioned earlier states:
>>The first death happened here Saturday. 19-year-old Erin Stanley, mother of a four-month-old baby, was found strangled. Police have a person of interest in the case, but no arrests have been made.<<

Who is this "person of interest? What "type" of strangulation, fingerprints, cord, what? Probably not the latter (cord), since there was an investigation, evidently COD was not obvious.

Now...Kelly... Why would she want to commit suicide if she was dedicated to helping raise Erin's baby? Didn't we read that somewhere? Kelly's death was only 6 days after her beloved sister's death.

Taximom, you have an interesting thought... It is possible that Kelly held herself responsible in some way and committed suicide after possibly learning her sister's COD. BUT...It seems that a coroner might have seen some signs of that? Was there a note? Ah...was there a note? I saw no mention of such. It surely seems that if there was a note, this would have been put into the news article upon her death. So I do not suspect suicide.

No, I don't think Kelly took her own life. I think she would have been dedicated to her sister's baby. That leaves me with 2 thoughts:

1) the original creep got to her, but I can't imagine the family would have let anyone suspicious around, so this would have had to be a break in, in my opinion.

OR something stranger still...

2) Kelly had a yet, undetected (or maybe it was known) heart ailment that could cause sudden death. Perhaps the stress of everything threw her into a deadly arrhythmia (as in Long QT) and she died suddenly, in her sleep, of a literally broken heart.

BTW, in the video previously mentioned, there was a note that Alexis was taken away from the home by relatives. It appears that something is being done to protect Alexis, and I certainly hope so, particularly due to the situation of her mom's death.

W

[Wrinkles]

Okay Sleuthers...

Can we find a birth announcement for Alexis in either Centerville, Indiana or Gahanna, Ohio? Perhaps we can find out the last name? Did Alexis get mom's last name of Stanley, or the dad's last name.

Someone knows exactly who James is and his last name. The locals also know if Erin said this is babydaddy, those locals that said they knew them. Someone also knows if James and this man and/or babydaddy are the same AND they know an alibi of whomever the person of interest was.

W

[Taximom]

It's Alexis McFarland, Wrinkles.

There's a James D. McFarland in Gahanna, OH born in 1958...so he *might* be the father of the mysterious James. *MIGHT* lol

[Taximom]

Wrinkles, I think you bring up a lot of valid points. We don't know if James is the babydaddy. I was up so late looking at so many things, that I'm pretty sure I didn't find anything that said that anyway.

I seem to think so though only because why would someone be so in love with another person that he would kill her because she wouldn't give the baby to the bio-dad? I think the chances are more that the baby daddy was abusive and also doesn't seem to have any money and wasn't supportive. She might have tried living with his family, but it probably didn't work out, so she moved back home with the baby. If he was abusive, he was probably controlling as well. He came back to Centerville to try to make it work...and Erin probably got smart by then and said "no way". And we know the rest of the story.

Does any of that make sense?!

By the way, I don't know if I mentioned that I thought Kelly killed herself or not. I'm trying to find that in my comments. I really don't think that's the case even though it is a possibility. She might even have died of a broken heart, but I really think they'll find she was murdered too. She had that baby to live for!

Keep thinking Wrinkles! You are keeping me on my toes. :blowkiss:

ETA: These are all just my opinions!!!

[Wrinkles]

Thinking, looking, found this:

"Deaths of sisters in Wayne County under investigation" (http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070908/NEWS01/709080326/1002)

From the above article:
>>No details have been released concerning that death. News reports indicated the older sister died in the same house, but an obituary published in a local newspaper reported Erin Stanley died in Richmond's Reid Hospital.<<

Hmmmm... Is it possible that Erin was taken, yet alive, to the hospital but she succumbed there? I haven't had time to read all of the articles about her death being reported.

Taximom, do you have links to the original article about Erin's death?

Also, dear lady, HOW did you find Alexis' last name so quickly?

W

[imthemom]

Wow this is so sad for this poor family. I hope they get answers soon. In her myspace page she reminds me so much of my 18 year old sister, acting silly with friends, just having a good time starting her life. How can someone just take that away like that.

[Taximom]

I thought for sure I found a news article that said she had been found "blue" in bed. Here's what I can come up with for now. I have to go check some homework and finish up dinner.

From:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9922&view=next&sid=b55af6a36eb5177db51fa3682887346f

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:55 pm Post subject: Centerville DeathThe below text is from Sundays Obits in the Palladium and Channel 8's website. The obit says the 19 year old died 9/1 at Reid,Channel 8 is saying they found her body strangled Tues. Something isn't adding up here. It will be interesting to find out the real facts. Obviously there is foul play involved. God Bless those 2 sisters' souls.





"Erin R. Stanley


CENTERVILLE, Ind. -- Erin R. Stanley, 19, of Centerville, died Saturday, Sept. 1, 2007, at Reid Hospital.

Born April 19, 1988, in Richmond to Dale and Lonny Fleenor Stanley, she was a homemaker.


Survivors include a daughter, Alexis McFarland; her parents; sister, Kelly Stanley.

A memorial service will be announced at a later date. Mills Funeral Home, Centerville, is in charge of arrangements.



Originally published September 2, 2007"


This is on Channel 8's website

Two Sisters Found Dead in Centerville Home

Sep 7, 2007 11:56 AM EDT




CENTERVILLE, Ind. - A death investigation is underway in Centerville.

Police there tell 24-Hour News 8 a 19-year-old woman was found dead on Tuesday from strangulation.

Then on Friday, the body of her 17-year-old sister was discovered at the same home.

24-Hour News 8 has a crew on the way to Centerville. We'll have more tonight on News

[Taximom]

It's quite possible she had just been strangled, with a weak pulse and they transported her to Reid, where she died. It'd be interesting to hear the 911 call(s).

[calidreamin]

Wrinkles and Taximom you both are comming up with some good points. I really can't imagine that Kelly would commit suicide because I would think she would have been determined to raise the baby. I wish we knew some more of the details. I am wondering if Kelly was home alone when she died or not. The reason I say this is because if the killer came back for her you would think someone would have heard a commotion if they were home. I also wonder where the baby daddy is now and if he is cooperating with police.

[Wrinkles]

Hi Taximom,

To your thoughts:
>>By the way, I don't know if I mentioned that I thought Kelly killed herself or not. I'm trying to find that in my comments. I really don't think that's the case even though it is a possibility.<<

Message #6, page 1, this thread, you wrote:
>>The coroner ruled Erin's COD a homicide on Friday, and that's when LE was called to the home about Kelly's death (in the morning). Maybe LE let the family know Thursday before letting the public know? Which might explain an untimely death Friday morning of Kelly, if she had anything to do with her sister's death.<<

I assumed you were thinking that news of the COD might have caused Kelly to commit suicide if she thought that she had done anything even slightly that led to her sister's death (as a note, only dodos assume :)

Perhaps you meant something else above, as you were brainstorming? But what? Did I miss the point?

W

[Taximom]

Hi Taximom,

To your thoughts:
>>By the way, I don't know if I mentioned that I thought Kelly killed herself or not. I'm trying to find that in my comments. I really don't think that's the case even though it is a possibility.<<

Message #6, page 1, this thread, you wrote:
>>The coroner ruled Erin's COD a homicide on Friday, and that's when LE was called to the home about Kelly's death (in the morning). Maybe LE let the family know Thursday before letting the public know? Which might explain an untimely death Friday morning of Kelly, if she had anything to do with her sister's death.<<

I assumed you were thinking that news of the COD might have caused Kelly to commit suicide if she thought that she had done anything even slightly that led to her sister's death (as a note, only dodos assume :)

Perhaps you meant something else above, as you were brainstorming? But what? Did I miss the point?

W

W, that's exactly what I meant! Good job! (Early alzheimer's setting in I think, no joke) Yes, if for some reason Kelly had done anything to hurt Erin, I was brainstorming that she might have killed herself now that the police knew. I see that was back at msg #6, and that was pure brainstorming! lol

Thanks for finding it.

signed,
dodo (cuz I tend to assume sometimes in these cases!)

[Taximom]

Wrinkles and Taximom you both are comming up with some good points. I really can't imagine that Kelly would commit suicide because I would think she would have been determined to raise the baby. I wish we knew some more of the details. I am wondering if Kelly was home alone when she died or not. The reason I say this is because if the killer came back for her you would think someone would have heard a commotion if they were home. I also wonder where the baby daddy is now and if he is cooperating with police.

Hi, calidreamin! I almost missed your comment! It is strange that the parents didn't hear anything. I would think there would be quite a struggle if you are being strangled. I also wonder where the baby was in the home. I would "assume" (hee hee) that she was in Erin's room, because she was so young! But maybe they had a nice room for her elsewhere. If so, that might have saved her life.

[calidreamin]

Hi, calidreamin! I almost missed your comment! It is strange that the parents didn't hear anything. I would think there would be quite a struggle if you are being strangled. I also wonder where the baby was in the home. I would "assume" (hee hee) that she was in Erin's room, because she was so young! But maybe they had a nice room for her elsewhere. If so, that might have saved her life.
Hi Taximom! I think one senario is that Kelly may have been home alone and the murderer came back, possibly for the baby. Maybe he killed her and then fled without the baby. Her mom cmes home with the baby and finds Kelly dead. I feel so sorry for those parents, I just can't imagine the horror.

[Taximom]

Hi Taximom! I think one senario is that Kelly may have been home alone and the murderer came back, possibly for the baby. Maybe he killed her and then fled without the baby. Her mom cmes home with the baby and finds Kelly dead. I feel so sorry for those parents, I just can't imagine the horror.

Ohhhhh, didn't think of that one. That could very well be the case. I was trying to fit in the argument in the frontyard (about the father not getting the baby back) with this whole scenario. I thought it was strange that the father would want the baby in the first place. Call me biased, but I haven't seen that happen in a lot of single mom cases!

Wow. Good thinking, cali.

[calidreamin]

Hi Taximom I haven't seen that in alot of single mom cases either. Where they were arguing over the baby I think this might be about who has control over the baby. I would really like to know where the babies daddy is about now and what he has to say about all of this. I really feel like he has something to do with all of this.

[Wrinkles]

Hello CaliDreamin and ImTheMom,

Nice to see you in the thread. I think there are a number of us that are completely blown away by this.

Cali, you mused a good question:
>>I wish we knew some more of the details. I am wondering if Kelly was home alone when she died or not. The reason I say this is because if the killer came back for her you would think someone would have heard a commotion if they were home.<<

According to the following:
"Clues sought in 2 deaths" (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070909/NEWS01/709090302/1008)

>>Additional testing will be done to determine what caused the death of Kelly Stanley, 18, whose body was found by her parents, Dale and Lonny Stanley, on Friday morning inside the family's 704 Elm Drive home in Centerville.<<

What time "Friday morning" is the question? I "thought" I saw something round about 8AM somewhere, but could be mistaken. BUT, did the parents work nights and just get home, were they there all night? Or was this at 1AM? Did the parents go out that evening, return late and not look in on Kelly who they suspected to be sleeping? Not enough details, at least not enough that I have found so far.

AHA...okay, I found what I saw:

"Teen Dies Days After Sister Killed; Police Investigate" (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14069431/detail.html)

>>Police said they're trying to determine how Kelly Stanley, 18, died. Officers found the teen (pictured, left) dead in the Centerville home minutes after her mother called 911 at about 8 a.m. Friday to say she was unresponsive, authorities said.<<

So...the 911 call went out at 8AM. IF the parents worked at night, surely that house had been "re-keyed," if someone "suspicious" had previously had a key. If Kelly's death was a murder, then there was a breakin, right? Why not noise? This was a single story, considered to be a "modest home" -- so I would guess that it wasn't so palatial sq ft wise that noises couldn't be heard around the house? Were there signs of a struggle with Kelly?

Where was Alexis if parents were working, was Kelly caretaking the baby OR (per the video) was she still in the care of relatives somewhere else? Not enough facts to know, only enough info to guess...

Hmmm.... And CaliDreamin, you mused:
>>I also wonder where the baby daddy is now and if he is cooperating with police.<<

Right... Has he an alibi for the 24 hours around Erin's death? Kelly's death? Does no one want to say because they want to keep the suspect dumb about what they know?

W

Edited: and just who IS the suspect?

[calidreamin]

Hiya Wrinkles and thanks for the welcome. This has really blown me away, I just can't imagine two sisters gone within a week under such circumstances. You would think had Kelly been killed their would have been alot of commotion in the house. Maybe the parents weren't home but then where was the baby? I need to search for more information. I really would like to more about the boyfriend.

[Taximom]

Kelly would have been getting up for school Friday morning, right? I wonder who fed the baby when she cried. She could have been sleeping through night too...

They didn't know Erin's COD was strangulation till Friday, so would the parents have changed the locks before then?

Soooo many questions.

[Taximom]

More from:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9961
Poster: tam1190
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject:
couple things here. i was close to both girls and the boyfriend i spoke to kelly two days before she died. please listen kelly wouldnt make up stories about her sister she told me the story told me what happened and told me who did it and what happened when they got up in the am when she was dead everything she told me pieces together not sure if i can tell everything on here. and i told the police. everything everyone is saying about this whole mess is crazy. the parents are involved in any way the boyfriend didnt kill kelly and still the baby because i seen the baby.
i know the suspect or if its true the murderer kelly told me.i believe kelly they have the right person in there hands. i know this boy i know his well and his name hes been at my business every couple weeks with the girls he was not a mean person he could snap like everyone else could but he just went overboard not taking up for him at all just what i know i believe as for kelly to he got mad snapped and accidentally murdered as i said he really didnt mean to do it you know how you snap and then do something wrong and then say oh my god what did i do i and kelly believed that is what happened.im quoting from what kelly said
so for everyone to be scared there is a real murderer out there i dont believe that one bit. hes been in my house and he not once scared me.
for years kelly and erin come to me and tell me lots of things confided in me. parents spoiled them rotten they are best friends.
as for kelly i know kelly and i know in my heart she didnt get murdered he isnt going to go back to the same house which was taped off days later. kelly and erin couldnt live without each other they were always together always as kelly said to me tuesday my sister is gone now what do i do. she was lost. i honestly believe she wanted to go with her. i hope a test for pills is done id like to see that
as for the cremation well i know the parents there not rich. after the autospy i really didnt see why everyone had a problem with that maybe erin wanted that we dont know but that wasnt suspicious you cant let the body sit

[Taximom]

the parents are involved in any way the boyfriend didnt kill kelly and still the baby because i seen the baby.

I *think* this means "the parents are *not* involved in any way. The boyfriend didn't kill KELLY (just Erin?) and *steal* the baby because I seen the baby.

My humble interpretation anyway.

[JanetElaine]

the parents are involved in any way the boyfriend didnt kill kelly and still the baby because i seen the baby.

I *think* this means "the parents are *not* involved in any way. The boyfriend didn't kill KELLY (just Erin?) and *steal* the baby because I seen the baby.

My humble interpretation anyway.

Heaven knows I'm not exactly the spelling police but DUDE. :waitasec:

Anyway, FWIW, I came to the same conclusion as you did, TM. Trying to stop my head from spinning after reading that.

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Taximom,

You wrote:
>>Kelly would have been getting up for school Friday morning, right?<<

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7044469
>>Kelly graduated Centerville High School this year, where she sang in the choir.<<

Kelly might have been going to JC, dunno... She did graduate from HS earlier this year. Hmmm had JC started locally, possibly...probably end August, early Sept, but probably just after Erin's death/murder. IF she was signed up for JC, would she have gone after losing her sister, or put it off a semester?

You also wrote:
>>I wonder who fed the baby when she cried. She could have been sleeping through night too...<<

She might still have been at relatives. In the video mentioned earlier (day of Erin's death), relatives were taking the baby away from the scene. Perhaps they kept her for a while so the family could gather themselves? If not, if they had the baby back, good question... If the baby was in their home, where did she sleep, who tended to her. What were the babies waking hours, when might she have needed feeding?

Thinking about it... How on EARTH might the girls' mom even have thought to go in and check on Kelly if she was quiet, how could she have thought that death could hit in that home again like that. Even if she had suspected murder, could she think the murderer would strike again?

What got the mom into Kelly's bedroom? Is that where she was found? Aha, I have been assuming Kelly was found dead in her bed...but...

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7044469
>>Then on Friday morning, her 18-year-old sister Kelly was found dead in the house by her mother. The cause of her death is unknown and an autopsy is scheduled for Saturday.<<

She was found in the house, it doesn't say where in this article. I wonder if it says anything elsewhere. Where she was found, how she was found might be important to discerning cause of death. Was Kelly getting up and getting dressed for work (or had she just come home from work the night before and died while the parents were sleeping)? The circumstances of where and how she was found are certainly important to discerning suicide, murder, natural causes (arrhythmia, sudden death.)

You wrote:
>>They didn't know Erin's COD was strangulation till Friday, so would the parents have changed the locks before then?<<

Would you? :D

Signed,
Other Dodo

[calidreamin]

My head is spinning also after reading that, my word! Thank you Taximom for posting that and I think your humble interpetation was right on.

[Wrinkles]

Good find TaxiMom... And JanetElaine thanks for the chuckle with the following:

:laugh: :laugh:
>>Heaven knows I'm not exactly the spelling police but DUDE.<<

To think that the defense was tearing up Adriano De Souza's English! I'm not the spelling/grammar/punctuation police either but, oh my... You've heard of Ebonics? I think this was Indonics.

TaxiM, I think you found the missing negative, i.e. "the parents are [NOT] involved in any way"

Now you have to love this reasoning...

First we have:
>>please listen kelly wouldnt make up stories about her sister she told me the story told me what happened and told me who did it<<

So, she (assumed she) says Kelly told her who "did it" (obviously the murder) and Kelly wouldn't "story her" (getting into the Indonics here...)

Then we have:
>>i know the suspect or if its true the murderer kelly told me.<<

Oh, now we have "if its true" ... hmmm...

And then...
>>i believe kelly they have the right person in there hands. i know this boy i know his well and his name<<

So a) Kelly told her, Kelly wouldn't lie, b) if its true, and then c) I believe Kelly BUT..."they have the right person in their hands?" Hmmm...who has whom in whose hands? Well, if someone was in custody, they couldn't get to Kelly. But is/was anyone in custody?

>>hes been at my business every couple weeks with the girls he was not a mean person he could snap like everyone else could but he just went overboard not taking up for him at all just what i know i believe as for kelly to he got mad snapped and accidentally murdered as i said he really didnt mean to do it you know how you snap and then do something wrong and then say oh my god what did i do i and kelly believed that is what happened.im quoting from what kelly said<<

Not a mean person? Snapped and killed? Oops, a bit of a snap for someone who isn't mean. Accident? Just kinda accidentally "strangled someone?" How long would that take to accidentally do? And when you have an accident, do you fess up, call for help?

>>so for everyone to be scared there is a real murderer out there i dont believe that one bit. hes been in my house and he not once scared me. <<

Well, if he snapped and murdered, there "is" a real murderer out there! OR is he in custody?

So, he's been in your house and "he not scared you?" Well, anyone that could snap like that, "he scare me." And, if the snapper is not in custody, he could snap again!

BUT...check this:
>>and told me who did it and what happened when they got up in the am when she was dead everything she told me pieces together not sure if i can tell everything on here. and i told the police.<<

Without punctuation, kinda hard to tell here... "When they got up in the AM" -- "when she was dead" --- Was she dead in the AM, or still alive and died at the hospital? AND if she was still alive, Mr. Snapper left her to die slowly... Oh no, he not scary at all.

Wrinkles (practicing Indonics)

[cheko1]

Wow thanks for all the information! I can't imagine what the parents are going thru.

I'm going to keep up with this also. You guys are awesome.

[Taximom]

:p

Heaven knows I'm not exactly the spelling police but DUDE. :waitasec:

Anyway, FWIW, I came to the same conclusion as you did, TM. Trying to stop my head from spinning after reading that.

That made me laugh. "but DUDE" :)

[Wrinkles]

Yo gang,

Did you see the follow up message someone wrote to the Indonics person?

>>I would advise you not to post on this forum about this topic anymore!!
You could be setting yourself up for future trouble!!!!!!! I am not saying this to be mean!!!!!!!!!<<

Uh huh, if Snapper ain't in custody he might have another snap left in him for someone who talked to the police.

Hmmm...the person who wrote the above logged into that site as "p.off"

W

[Taximom]

"Mr. Snapper" ROFL Wrinkles!!

You'd make a good prosecuting attorney picking up on all those details. THAT should be your nick: "Details"

I need to write all this down to keep it straight. I thought one of them was in school, but you are right, she graduated.

Maybe they had some place to go, or were just early risers. Or maybe, like you said, Kelly was found somewhere in the house other than her room.

[Taximom]

Yo gang,

Did you see the follow up message someone wrote to the Indonics person?

>>I would advise you not to post on this forum about this topic anymore!!
You could be setting yourself up for future trouble!!!!!!! I am not saying this to be mean!!!!!!!!!<<

Uh huh, if Snapper ain't in custody he might have another snap left in him for someone who talked to the police.

Hmmm...the person who wrote the above logged into that site as "p.off"

W

I didn't see that, but earlier tam1190 posted something (I thought I copied that too last night?) and I thought the same thing! She (assuming, heh) better be careful! :slap:

I believe the Centerville (PD or Fire?) PIO (public information officer) was posting earlier! (He/She admitted it!)

Someone else told him/her that he/she better stop posting too! D'oh. If this is how the investigation is going...:silenced:

[glezell]

Look what I found...

http://www.reidhosp.com/services/healthcare/babies/index.cgi/details?baby_id=5624

From the comments, it appears "James" is the father.

[Taximom]

Great find, glezell!

[Wrinkles]

Good find Glezell!

The baby announcement intimates that Erin and James are mommy and daddy, we know Erin is mommy, but is James boyfriend or baby daddy for sure. Looks like it.

So...we have a "taralynn" speaking out:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9961

Gads, I hope that isn't that kids real name. And I find this weird, that the "boyfriend" is referenced instead of a name, since the writer is not afraid to mention Erin and Kelly's names...

But what kind of weirdness is this:
>>n i honestly think the boyfriend did it he was a liar n nothin but trouble n he should rot in prison for it and i dont think the public has anything to worry about coz he got who he wanted and he wont be stupid enough to push his luck any further<<

What's the "he got what he wanted?" Is this an inference to offing Erin as being something he wanted? Or the baby went to his family or ?? And "push luck" further? What luck?

BTW, anyone know who the "Ruthie" is on the birth announcement page:
>>AWWWW RUTHY!!! shes so cute!! congrates!<<

Hmmm...maybe that is what some called Erin (Erin R. Stanley)

W

[Mygirlsadie]

So is the rumor here that the boyfriend/baby daddy (whatever you want to call him) broke into the house TWICE and killed both girls on different nights? This is sooooo strange and almost unbelievable. Ugh the parents I just can't imagine....

[Taximom]

Mr. Snappy may have heard by Thursday that Erin's COD was strangulation. Kelly may have called him on it. Mr. Snappy took matters into his own hands maybe? (No pun intended) Although you'd think Kelly's autopsy would reveal a strangulation. It will be interesting to see what the blood tests etc reveal.

[Taximom]

(snipped)
BTW, anyone know who the "Ruthie" is on the birth announcement page:
>>AWWWW RUTHY!!! shes so cute!! congrates!<<

Hmmm...maybe that is what some called Erin (Erin R. Stanley)

W

From Kandis' myspace:
http://www.myspace.com/CHLOESMOMMY410

"*~IT IS SO HARD TO BELIEVE YOU ARE GONE, I WILL ALWAYS MISS YOU RIP ERIN RUTH STANLEY AND KELLY JO STANLEY! TWO LIFES THAT WAS TAKEN TO EARLY~*"

Female
19 years old
RICHMOND, Indiana

She has the picture of the two sisters where they are next to each other. It hit me that they are both gone now. I knew that, but looking at that picture just hit home with me. The parents have lost their entire family except for a little baby. What a shame. I'll be praying for them tonight. :(

[Wrinkles]

Heya Taximom,

I have been digging and digging, just hoping by a fluke, I can find a pic of Erin and James somewhere. I've been crossreferencing MySpace people...

Kelly was definitely well loved...

W

[Wrinkles]

Whatcha think? Might James have had a MySpace?

W

[Taximom]

Whatcha think? Might James have had a MySpace?

W

I have not found one iota of information about James. How weird is that? Even if he's not into social networking you'd think someone would mention his name in a comment somewhere!

If she had the baby in April, she had to have been seeing him in August 2006, right? (somewhere around that time) (Of course, it could have been earlier.) I kept looking at comments around then but didn't see anything. I was hoping for "I met the man of my dreams!" comments somewhere, but Erin was rather sparse with her comments. Too bad her site is private.

[MeoW333]

Thank God that you can translate that above, i wasn't even going to attempt to try..
This is one confusing story..

[calidreamin]

Mr. Snappy may have heard by Thursday that Erin's COD was strangulation. Kelly may have called him on it. Mr. Snappy took matters into his own hands maybe? (No pun intended) Although you'd think Kelly's autopsy would reveal a strangulation. It will be interesting to see what the blood tests etc reveal.

Mr. Snappy that is perfect LOL. I can't wait to see what the blood tests on Kelly reveal. I don't know how anyone is making sense of these teenagers messages. I am so glad I have you and wrinkles to interpet for me.

[Taximom]

I think Wrinkles came up with Mr Snappy! I sure don't mean to make light of this whole situation, but sometimes you do have to lighten up things so the heart can take it all in. (I know you guys know that!)

In both the Centerville and Greenville SC (Devon Epps) I've been truly surprised at the local "ebonics". Just because you live in a more rural area shouldn't mean you don't get a decent education. I know my spelling and grammar isn't the best, but it's a real shame that some of these kids are allowed to pass to the next grade with what I've read! Well, that's a whole new thread topic anyway, right?

I'm praying today that the Stanley family can find some peace today and that justice is served soon. My heart aches for them.

[calidreamin]

I think Wrinkles came up with Mr Snappy! I sure don't mean to make light of this whole situation, but sometimes you do have to lighten up things so the heart can take it all in. (I know you guys know that!)

In both the Centerville and Greenville SC (Devon Epps) I've been truly surprised at the local "ebonics". Just because you live in a more rural area shouldn't mean you don't get a decent education. I know my spelling and grammar isn't the best, but it's a real shame that some of these kids are allowed to pass to the next grade with what I've read! Well, that's a whole new thread topic anyway, right?

I'm praying today that the Stanley family can find some peace today and that justice is served soon. My heart aches for them.

Hi Taximim! My spelling and grammar isn't the best either but I am amazed at the "ebonics" of today. My kids are still little but my babysitter wrote me a thankyou note and I was shoked. She had just graduated high school and the spelling was wrong in almost every word. I am praying also that the Stanley family can find some peace today, if that will ever be possible again. I hope the lab work on Kelly cames back soon.

[PrayersForMaura]

:p



That made me laugh. "but DUDE" :)

Me too!!!

[Truthful Lies]

I think the only possible explanation for Kelly's death is either the above mentioned sudden heart failure, or she had a moment of pure darkness at the thought of facing life without her sister, raising her child, etc. It might have been just too much for her to face.

[docwho3]

I just finished reading the thread of posts. A very interesting case. I have a couple of questions:

I did not read the news articles yet so did they live in a house with an attic?

If so, was there an opening to the house attic where the second girl was found? I am wondering if someone had hidden in the attic and then came down a second time before leaving . . . . . if he left.

Sometimes Boyfriends have been known to hide in a house that way to visit the girlfriend in her home.

[angelmom]

I think the only possible explanation for Kelly's death is either the above mentioned sudden heart failure, or she had a moment of pure darkness at the thought of facing life without her sister, raising her child, etc. It might have been just too much for her to face.

Have they definitely ruled out homicide?

[SewingDeb]

Not that I have heard.

[calidreamin]

Have they definitely ruled out homicide?

Hi anglemom homicide has not been ruled out. They are waiting for more testing to come back to rule on cod.

[calidreamin]

I just finished reading the thread of posts. A very interesting case. I have a couple of questions:

I did not read the news articles yet so did they live in a house with an attic?

If so, was there an opening to the house attic where the second girl was found? I am wondering if someone had hidden in the attic and then came down a second time before leaving . . . . . if he left.

Sometimes Boyfriends have been known to hide in a house that way to visit the girlfriend in her home.

Hi docwho3, they have not mentioned an attic from the articles have read. If Kelly was murdered it would be interesting to know how he entered the house. At that time of day you would expect someone else to be home, especially with a small baby there.

[Truthful Lies]

No, sorry - they haven't ruled out homicide. Pure speculation, but I don't get that "vibe" from this case.

[Taximom]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070910/NEWS01/709100304
Evidence collected before cremation
BY MICHELLE MANCHIR
STAFF WRITER

All the evidence available in the Sept. 1 death of a Centerville teen had apparently been collected before her body's cremation this week, said Wayne County Coroner Kevin Fouche on Sunday evening. Before the autopsy of 19-year-old Erin Stanley's body, Fouche said officials "got all the evidence we were able to obtain before it was released for disposition."
The issue arose after Doan and Mills funeral home officials disclosed that Erin Stanley's body had been cremated.
"(There was) no need in holding up the family's wishes to have the body cremated," Fouche said. (more at link)

[Taximom]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070910/NEWS01/709100302

Friends give insight into tragedy
Kelly Stanley 'didn't say she was scared for her life'
BY MICHELLE MANCHIR
STAFF WRITER



Kelly Stanley missed only a couple of her shifts at Richmond's westside Dairy Queen days after her sister's body was found in their home. Katie Tompkins, one of Kelly's best friends and manager at Dairy Queen, said Kelly had been dealing with the tragedy of her sister's passing by talking about it with her friends and co-workers. (more at link)

[Taximom]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070910/UPDATES/70910012
Prosecutor explains actions in media e-mail

From Mike Shipman:

“I would like to share some thoughts about the recent deaths of two young women in Centerville. These deaths are tragic and overwhelmingly sad events. I cannot imagine how Mr. and Mrs. Stanley are coping. As a father of two girls, my grief would be unbearable if I experienced similar tragedies.

“Due to the nature of these deaths, we are conducting meticulous investigations to determine what happened to these young women. Police investigations take time. Some investigations may take a few days while others may take weeks or months. I caution people from forming conclusions early in these investigations. I know that in the Leonard Dickey investigation, news media were in a rush to report information about the case, including that Tarra Pickett was stabbed. She was not stabbed. The dissemination of that false information by the media was damaging to the case. It also caused unnecessary pain for Tarra’s family.

“I am working with law enforcement officers to make sure the investigations are done right. If crimes were committed, our goal is to see that the individual responsible for the crimes is convicted and punished appropriately in a courtroom. Equally important, however, is my obligation to refrain from rushing to judgment and recklessly accusing anyone of a crime that he or she did not commit. If we name a suspect in the investigation who is later determined to be innocent, the person’s reputation is irreparably damaged.

“News reporters have repeatedly asked law enforcement officers and me to name a suspect in these deaths. I have declined to name a suspect for a very good reason — the investigations have not been completed. Evidence is being collected and evaluated, witnesses are being interviewed, and records must be received and reviewed. A suspect will only be named if I have evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime.

“I have also declined to release information which could jeopardize discovering what happened to these young women. In many criminal cases, there are facts and evidence known only to the person who committed the
crime. If the police are the only other people who have that information, they are often able to eliminate innocent suspects or strengthen corroborating evidence against a suspect who committed the crime. In addition, if a suspect is identified too soon in an investigation, he or she may flee the jurisdiction of the court.

“Prosecutors and law enforcement officers are restricted as to what comments may be made to the public. A prosecutor may be disciplined by the Indiana Supreme Court for improper comments made to the media. It is also possible that improper comments by a law enforcement officer or prosecutor may jeopardize a conviction in a criminal case. More information will be shared with the public once we know the information is accurate and that releasing such information will not jeopardize the investigations and possible prosecution of cases.

“I ask that the public have patience with the investigations. The investigations are being given the highest priority by law enforcement officers and my office. The facts and circumstances of these events will be publicly available at the appropriate time. I also ask that you keep Mr. and Mrs. Stanley in your prayers. Please support them if you are able.
Thank you,
Mike Shipman, Wayne County Prosecuting Attorney

[calidreamin]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070910/NEWS01/709100302

Friends give insight into tragedy
Kelly Stanley 'didn't say she was scared for her life'
BY MICHELLE MANCHIR
STAFF WRITER



Kelly Stanley missed only a couple of her shifts at Richmond's westside Dairy Queen days after her sister's body was found in their home. Katie Tompkins, one of Kelly's best friends and manager at Dairy Queen, said Kelly had been dealing with the tragedy of her sister's passing by talking about it with her friends and co-workers. (more at link)

Thank you for the updates Taximom. This makes me so sad, Kelly seemed to have so many nice friends who really loved her. I love how they called her Kelly belly, I think that's so cute. The part where her friend said Kelly was scared in the house after her sisters murder sent chills down my spine.

[Taximom]

You're welcome, cali. I woke up today thinking about this case and how sad their parents must be.

[Taximom]

I've learned a new word at the forums, and I kind of like it:

Exactually. As in, "Exactually what is going on here?"

[dark_shadows]

More from:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9961
Poster: tam1190
Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject:
couple things here. i was close to both girls and the boyfriend i spoke to kelly two days before she died. please listen kelly wouldnt make up stories about her sister she told me the story told me what happened and told me who did it and what happened when they got up in the am when she was dead everything she told me pieces together not sure if i can tell everything on here. and i told the police. everything everyone is saying about this whole mess is crazy. the parents are involved in any way the boyfriend didnt kill kelly and still the baby because i seen the baby.
i know the suspect or if its true the murderer kelly told me.i believe kelly they have the right person in there hands. i know this boy i know his well and his name hes been at my business every couple weeks with the girls he was not a mean person he could snap like everyone else could but he just went overboard not taking up for him at all just what i know i believe as for kelly to he got mad snapped and accidentally murdered as i said he really didnt mean to do it[/b] you know how you snap and then do something wrong and then say oh my god what did i do i and kelly believed that is what happened.im quoting from what kelly said
so for everyone to be scared there is a real murderer out there i dont believe that one bit. hes been in my house and he not once scared me.
for years kelly and erin come to me and tell me lots of things confided in me. parents spoiled them rotten they are best friends.
as for kelly i know kelly and i know in my heart she didnt get murdered he isnt going to go back to the same house which was taped off days later. kelly and erin couldnt live without each other they were always together always as kelly said to me tuesday my sister is gone now what do i do. she was lost. i honestly believe she wanted to go with her. i hope a test for pills is done id like to see that
as for the cremation well i know the parents there not rich. after the autospy i really didnt see why everyone had a problem with that maybe erin wanted that we dont know but that wasnt suspicious you cant let the body sit

To my dearest Taximom, :blowkiss:
Thank-you for the hard work.
This tam1190 cannot speak at all, it appears that she types the way she speaks.:doh:

Her posts are very unbelieveable and inconsistant;



when i heard erin was murdered in my mind and opinion its by accident a quick reaction and it turned to death then scared and run. with kelly in my mind i believe kelly wasnt murdered if so id be really shocked.


i spoke to kelly tuesday and she told me about erin but they were unsure of the truth yet. when she said erins gone now what i had no response but to say im so sorry i wish now i wouldeve sat down an talked .

link to the quoted post (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9933)


All of my Love and Respect to you,
dark_shadows

[calidreamin]

Thank you for the link to the posts Dark Shadows. My head spins trying to read tam1190's posts and I can't make sense out of them. I thought I was just getting old but I am relieved I am not the only one shaking my head.:doh:

[dark_shadows]

Thank you for the link to the posts Dark Shadows. My head spins trying to read tam1190's posts and I can't make sense out of them. I thought I was just getting old but I am relieved I am not the only one shaking my head.:doh:
To my dearest Calidreamin,:blowkiss:
No, you are not the only one!!
Crazy posts from that poster really does make ones head spin. I do not know what she thinks she is doing by posting the spin.....

I like how she states that the victims and the suspect went to "her business".:rolleyes: There is no way that she owned a business after viewing her incoherant posts.

Many thanks to Taximom for the links.


All of my Love and Respect to you,
dark_shadows

[calidreamin]

I agree with you Dark Shadows there is no way that girl has a buisness and all she seems to post is spin. I appreciate you posting the link to the blog I have been trying to find as much information as possible, I hope LE finds out what happend, I feel so badly for these girls parents.

[Taximom]

D_S, good detective work there. I don't know if you've kept up with any of the forums today, but they are now deteriorating into arguments over petty stuff.

One of the comments here peaked my interest:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9913&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105

I don't remember which poster said it, but they said they heard from neighbors that Kelly's window had been boarded up after her death.

Could be rumor though.

I hope LE can finalize this one quickly.

[MeoW333]

I wouldn't imagine her having a business either, maybe she meant they went to the place where she worked?

[docwho3]

Any news on this case?

[Wrinkles]

Hello All,

Taximom provided a link to a going internet discussion amidst the locals, mentioning the boarding up of a window. I noticed that someone in that thread said that the CrimeLibrary (CourtTV) had picked up the story, so went and had a look.


"Deaths of Erin and Kelly Stanley Mystify Residents of Centerville, Indiana" (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0907/1101_stanley_sisters.html)

There is something wrong with how this whole case is being handled, in my estimation. The locals have mentioned something to the effect of, "Hey, if they thought Erin's death was a homicide, they should have let us know."

True enough. I would be FURIOUS if my neighbor died and NO ONE suggested a possible homicide, if it were the case, and such that I and others could do what we think might be necessary to protect/defend ourselves OR report anything fresh on our mind that might assist. I don't buy the "we are holding the information close to our breast" kind of argument in a case such as this. The very least that could have been done for EVERYONE would be to make a "suspicious circumstance" known in the case of Erin's death. At that point, people could work to do what the police wouldn't or couldn't do, and that is to "protect their own." Did everyone hide the "suspicious circumstance" from Kelly's parents too?

Something sounds very clutzy and suspect about this whole situation. In this case, I cannot sit back and say, "LE knows what they are doing." I can agree that LE is generally quite bright, usually far brighter than me in terms of handling things like this, but something really isn't washing in all of this. LE has lost my presumption of being on top of this. They have certainly lost my presumption that they are "well overseeing" the interests of this community.

This isn't the dark ages, and excuses for keeping people in the dark don't wash. There is information that they could certainly give that would not compromise their investigation (if one really exists.)

Perhaps the CrimeLibrary will help to bring about a "kicking up" of working on this matter for the family AND the neighborhood which must be feeling very sensitive and nervous about this time. How can we express to this community that there are others in the nation watching this and looking for "appropriate" action (not a scapegoat, but appropriate investigation and action for the family and the community).

What can we do to help? I think I might write to encourage that CrimeLibrary writer to get on this.

W

[Alice253]

http://www.whiotv.com/news/14114233/detail.html

The prosecutor in Wayne County, Indiana now says he will release the 911 call made by the mother of 19-year-old Erin Stanley on September 1, 2007, the morning the girl was found strangled to death inside her parent's Centerville, Indiana home.

More at link....

Records show sister aided police investigation

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/NEWS01/709150301

An affidavit for a search warrant for the home of Dale and Lonny Stanley at 704 Elm Drive in Centerville, issued Sept. 7 and released Friday, indicated that Kelly Stanley, 18, had helped police with several aspects of the investigation, including gaining access "to various computer sites."

snip

The document also said that both deaths appeared to be caused by "similar action on the part of another party."

snip

The warrant also included a computer used by Erin and Kelly Stanley in the home, the hard drive and other memory devices that may "contain significant evidence as to the perpetrator of these offenses," the warrant said.

snip

Prosecutor Mike Shipman said late Friday that a tape of the 911 emergency call from Sept. 1 will be available to the public at 8 a.m. Monday. Shipman previously had denied public access to that tape, calling it a part of "the investigatory evidence" in the case.

"I agree that the 911 tape is a public record and eventually it should be released," Shipman said. "But it is an investigative record and officers should first have an opportunity to interview the caller. I wanted to be given time to do that before it is released."

The 911 call from Sept. 7 was not recorded due to an equipment failure at the 911 dispatch center.

Much more at link....

I wish I could post that whole last article. It has more interesting info.

[calidreamin]

Thank you so much for the info Alice. I still can't believe this case, not one but both girls dead, those poor poor parents. Both deaths appear similar at the hands of another. Does that mean they both were strangled? I thought Kelly must have been murdered also it's just to much of a coincidence.

[angelmom]

Am I reading too much into it, or does it sound like both girls were murdered by the same person?

LE involved must be devastated to have lost such a valuable witness and to have to watch these parents go through another loss.

[Taximom]

Hi angelmom, I think you are right on the money. Why it's taking this long...I don't know. I guess if the boyfriend did the first murder, and he had lived in the home for some time (few days?) then his DNA is probably all over the place so maybe it's harder to prove? I don't know.

I just wish things would speed up.

As far as the 911 tapes go, I'm betting whoever made the call (mom? dad?) gave some information to the dispatch or LE that's on the recording and they might not want to release that information right now. Otherwise, why keep it from the public?

[teonspaleprincess]

My prayers go out to this family. I cannot imagine the pain of losing one child, but two? It's heartwrenching. I hope that they release more info soon.

[Bobbisangel]

My prayers go out to this family. I cannot imagine the pain of losing one child, but two? It's heartwrenching. I hope that they release more info soon.


I can't imagine being in these parents shoes either. I don't know if I could survive losing two children. I wonder if they have anyother children? It must be so hard to just live in their home with reminders all around them of both girls. On the other hand, maybe it is healing to them. I just feel so sad for them though.

It sounds like both girls were murdered. Maybe the boyfriend came back and murdered Kelly because she knew that he was the guilty party and he wanted to shut her up. There must have been something that he didn't want her to pass on to LE.

[Utopia]

Good find Glezell!

The baby announcement intimates that Erin and James are mommy and daddy, we know Erin is mommy, but is James boyfriend or baby daddy for sure. Looks like it.

So...we have a "taralynn" speaking out:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9961

Gads, I hope that isn't that kids real name. And I find this weird, that the "boyfriend" is referenced instead of a name, since the writer is not afraid to mention Erin and Kelly's names...

But what kind of weirdness is this:
>>n i honestly think the boyfriend did it he was a liar n nothin but trouble n he should rot in prison for it and i dont think the public has anything to worry about coz he got who he wanted and he wont be stupid enough to push his luck any further<<

What's the "he got what he wanted?" Is this an inference to offing Erin as being something he wanted? Or the baby went to his family or ?? And "push luck" further? What luck?

BTW, anyone know who the "Ruthie" is on the birth announcement page:
>>AWWWW RUTHY!!! shes so cute!! congrates!<<

Hmmm...maybe that is what some called Erin (Erin R. Stanley)

W

Wrinkles, I think you just read the quote wrong - it reads "he got who he wanted". Reread it and it will make sense.

Regarding Tam11 - I'm thinking English is not her/his first language, that was my first thought anyway.

I enjoy reading your posts - very insightful! Lets hope "Mr. Snappy" snaps and confesses.

[SuziQ]

Here are some interesting articles I came across today

"Wayne County Coroner Kevin Fouche said he noticed something was not normal during the autopsy of 19-year-old Erin Stanley."
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070913/NEWS01/709130309/1008

Records released today by Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman reveal Centerville sisters Erin and Kelly Stanley died in the same fashion.
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070914/UPDATES/70914013

[cheko1]

Thanks SuziQ,

That will certainly shed some light into this case.
I sure hope they arrest someone for the murders soon.

The parents must be beside themselves with grief.

[SewingDeb]

So both deaths were homicides? I had thought perhaps the second death was a suicide, maybe by drug overdose or something along those lines.

[SewingDeb]

Records show sister aided police investigation
'Similar action on the part of another party' cited as cause of Stanley sisters' deaths

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709150301

[Mygirlsadie]

If they thought the first death was a homicide why was the family still allowed to stay in the house? Why was the house not declared a crime scene? Why were LE not there swarming the place? I can't believe a criminal would come back AGAIN to the same house to commit another murder just one week later? It doesnt make sense to me...

[Bobbisangel]

I think the same person came back again. He knew how close the sisters were and that Kelly knew that he was the killer. He probably knew that she was talking to LE and was afraid of what she would tell them and he decided to shut her up for good. He had a big motive to kill Kelly.

[SewingDeb]

I think the same person came back again. He knew how close the sisters were and that Kelly knew that he was the killer. He probably knew that she was talking to LE and was afraid of what she would tell them and he decided to shut her up for good. He had a big motive to kill Kelly.

I think you are right. I wonder why police searched the parent's car though.

[Mygirlsadie]

Isnt it weird though how the same criminal would come back to the same house to murder AGAIN one week later?.. As far as the parents car I had no idea but are the parents considered suspects?



I think you are right. I wonder why police searched the parent's car though.

[SuziQ]

I read about this case on Crime Library. The author discusses how LE only admited Erin's death was a homicide because of the attention Kelly's death brought. So one has to wonder, when did LE know that Erin was strangled and could they have prevented another homicide?

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0907/1101_stanley_sisters.html

There is also a debate going on about releasing one of the 911 calls. LE is trying to hang on to that one. I wonder what was said on that call?

[SuziQ]

Okay...maybe a fourth time is the charm. I apologize if four posts show up!

Anyways, Kelly must have known about some foul play if she was helping LE. And isn't COD by strangling obvious? What method of strangling wouldn't be? A paralytic (sp) drug perhaps?

[JUSTAPLAYONWORDS]

:( This is a very strange and extremely sad story. I originaly thought it was a murder/suiciced case. The poor baby will someday grow up and learn how her mom and Aunt died. May she always have very strong support.

[SewingDeb]

Isnt it weird though how the same criminal would come back to the same house to murder AGAIN one week later?.. As far as the parents car I had no idea but are the parents considered suspects?

I don't think the parents are considered suspects but searching their car makes me wonder.

[SewingDeb]

Okay...maybe a fourth time is the charm. I apologize if four posts show up!

Anyways, Kelly must have known about some foul play if she was helping LE. And isn't COD by strangling obvious? What method of strangling wouldn't be? A paralytic (sp) drug perhaps?


Good question, SuziQ.

[SewingDeb]

911 call involving the death of a Centerville woman on Sept. 1 indicates she was found unconscious by her boyfriend at her parents’ home.

The call, released today by Wayne County officials, reveals that 19-year-old Erin Stanley’s mother, Lonny Stanley, called 911 and told operators that the teen’s boyfriend, who was not identified, found her unresponsive in the home.

The call also reveals that police and emergency medical responders performed CPR on Erin Stanley before she was taken to Reid Hospital, where she was pronounced dead.

Erin Stanley’s sister, Kelly Stanley, 18, was found dead Sept. 7 in their parents’ home at 704 Elm Drive.

Erin Stanley’s death was ruled a homicide although authorities did not reveal that fact until after the death of Kelly Stanley, who was helping police in the investigation of her sister’s death, according to an affidavit for a search warrant of the Stanley home released Friday by Wayne County officials.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070917/NEWS01/70917023

[Taximom]

Hmm. Found by the boyfriend, eh?

[SuziQ]

Here is a link to an audio file of the 911 call. It doesn't seem like anyone in the house was willing or concerned about doing CPR. The mother seems oddly disconnected.

http://www.pal-item.com/assets/mp3/A085830917.MP3

[CvilleCit]

I have been following this fourm, and find everything that you guys have said very interesting. I am from Centerville (the town they are/were from) and remain very confused by all of this. From what I understand the car that they searched was in the parent's names but Erin drove it. My mom does that with my car. It's in her name from when I was in high school, but I drive it. Also, listening to the tape is very confusing. I knew these girls.... had class with them and mutual friends. They were the last people in this town I would expect this to happen to. It's so random. Our town is so small and personal. I live in town too, and cops drive by every 15 mins just keeping things under control. If you guys have any questions about the community or anything general feel free to direct them to me, and I'll do my best to help you guys out. I really can't put my two cents in about what happened though, because I was certain that it was the boyfriend until I heard the 911 tape now I'm clueless. I'm hoping to rule them out Saturday at the memorial service.

[Lilybug1]

I agree that the mother sounds strangely calm and unconcerned. The only indication that the mother is nervous is her deep breathing. Very weird the way she keeps putting the phone down...and then only after awhile in the conversation decides to get the cordless. The way she answered questions in re: to CPR I thought there was no cordless in the house...it also seemed like at first the daughter was in the room alone. I don't know about you but if someone in my family was gasping for air, I'd make sure someone was with them...but who knows? People act very strangely under stress.

[CvilleCit]

I really don't know what to make of how quiet the house is. I guess the mother probably thought that she would make it... she was breathing eventhough she was fighting for it. I've seen a little boy turn blue and stop breathing from falling, and the mother remained calm and got him to start breathing again. I can't figure out if it didn't hit her that this was serious or what. I am also confused why there isn't more confusion in the house. My family would be all over the place trying to get the information to the 911 person fast and loudly. They would be yelling into the other room and stuff. What do we make of this?

[SuziQ]

I have been following this fourm, and find everything that you guys have said very interesting. I am from Centerville (the town they are/were from) and remain very confused by all of this. From what I understand the car that they searched was in the parent's names but Erin drove it. My mom does that with my car. It's in her name from when I was in high school, but I drive it. Also, listening to the tape is very confusing. I knew these girls.... had class with them and mutual friends. They were the last people in this town I would expect this to happen to. It's so random. Our town is so small and personal. I live in town too, and cops drive by every 15 mins just keeping things under control. If you guys have any questions about the community or anything general feel free to direct them to me, and I'll do my best to help you guys out. I really can't put my two cents in about what happened though, because I was certain that it was the boyfriend until I heard the 911 tape now I'm clueless. I'm hoping to rule them out Saturday at the memorial service.

******

Welcome! I do have a few questions. Do you know the boyfriend well? What type of employement do the boyfriend, mom and dad have? The mom is pretty adamant that no one even the boyfriend didn't know CPR. How does she know that about the boyfriend? I don't know if my daughter's boyfriends know CPR or not.

I am still creeped out by the mom's matter of fact statement, IIRC, "I you know, gave her a couple of puffs of air." I feel like saying gee, don't put yourself out lady! I know, I shouldn't be so harsh. People do react differently under stress...but still. And here's this, when she needs to be on the phone getting instructions on CPR, she puts the phone down and walks away.

[CvilleCit]

I don't know the boyfriend well. I am pretty sure from other (unreliable) sources that he lives in Ohio. In an area there that I am unfamilure with. Since our neighborhood is pretty much on the border of IN and OH going to OH a way of life.... I can't really recall if they have ever told me what their parents did for a living. I'm guessing that the father worked at one of the local factories or something. From a newspaper article I'm guessing that the mother may have been a home-maker. When we were in class we really didn't have many conversations about our parents it was more about typical school gossip. Erin sat beside me and Kelly sat behind her in one class and they would always chat and so our little corner of the room would always be chatting about something they were laughing about.
Seriously, I can't imagin what happened. They were so sweet and stuff it's hard to think that it was the parents, because of their personalities. I guess that it really doesn't matter who the parents are the children will be their own people, but still. I really don't understand the Erin and Kelly I knew and how their mother could seem soooo.... sooo... disconnected and cold?

[SuziQ]

CvilleCit, thank you. I have listened to the 911 call about 4 times now and each time I listened to it I find more and more that bothers me. I think the BF would be the most likely suspect. The parents the least. But I just can't get over how the mother seems "inconvenienced" by the whole thing. Most 911 tapes I have heard have people begging for CPR instructions. 911 operators have to tell the caller to calm down and listen. And why do I get the feeling the whole 911 conversation wasn't released?

[AfterMidnight]

I agree that the mother sounds strangely calm and unconcerned. The only indication that the mother is nervous is her deep breathing. Very weird the way she keeps putting the phone down...and then only after awhile in the conversation decides to get the cordless. The way she answered questions in re: to CPR I thought there was no cordless in the house...it also seemed like at first the daughter was in the room alone. I don't know about you but if someone in my family was gasping for air, I'd make sure someone was with them...but who knows? People act very strangely under stress.

I would probably act the same way the mother did, trying to stay calm, in control and doing the best I can. I was not raised to be hysterical or a screamer. I can be very detached when things get crazy. You do what you gotta do with a minimum of fuss because somehow you find yourself in a dream world.

[SuziQ]

I agree that the mother sounds strangely calm and unconcerned. The only indication that the mother is nervous is her deep breathing. Very weird the way she keeps putting the phone down...and then only after awhile in the conversation decides to get the cordless. The way she answered questions in re: to CPR I thought there was no cordless in the house...it also seemed like at first the daughter was in the room alone. I don't know about you but if someone in my family was gasping for air, I'd make sure someone was with them...but who knows? People act very strangely under stress.

My thoughts exactly. It seems like pulling teeth would be easier to do than getting this bunch to help the poor girl.

[AfterMidnight]

Guess I should add you detach, you become two people, one watches the other and gives instructions. Odd, I know, but true.

[CvilleCit]

Yeah, I don't think it was either. It seems to have a very abrupt (sp) ending. Especially since she said that she'll stay on the phone until the CFD got there. The FD is all of 3 mins away from their house so I don't know what took them so long. The PD seems to be further than the FD.... Listening to it right now... the mom's breathing may signal concern... and I think that she is talking to Kelly or someone else in the room at one point. I also would like to know what she was saying when the 911 person says, "I told her to stay on the line, and she put the phone down is in the other room yelling at her." I'm also trying to find out what she's saying when the 911 person says <I want somebody to stay with her, and if she quits breathing....> The mom says something... WHAT IS IT!?!?! Mom once again sets the phone down... Why isn't she getting the chordless when she's leaving the room?!?! I guess maybe because she's more concerned with getting back to the 911 person? Suzi I want to know what happens after she gets the other phone... don't you?

[SuziQ]

I should add that I usually don't put too much into someone's emotions or lack of when they are under stress. For some reason though, the 911 call has my hinky meter on high alert. And my hinky meter could be completely wrong.

[SuziQ]

Yes CV, I do want to know what happened when the mother got the cordless phone. I wonder if the Palladium, who fought for this tape, realizes they didn't get the whole thing?

[CvilleCit]

even if she is staying close to the phone to keep up with the 911 person and her husband in the other room... Why doesn't she have Kelly or James (the boyfriend) get the other phone? I guess I wasn't there, and have NO idea what she was going through so.... I don't know what she was thinking.

[Bobbisangel]

Guess I should add you detach, you become two people, one watches the other and gives instructions. Odd, I know, but true.


I know exactly what you are talking about cause I've been there too. I don't think that it is fair to judge anyone's behavior when a tragedy is unfolding. One person might scream and cry and the next person might be like Kelly's mother. It doesn't mean either are guilty of anything. When I was told that my daughter was dead my first words were "she was so beautiful!" What that had to do with anything I will never know but that is what came out of my mouth as I was bent over unable to even stand on my feet. But this is what I mean.....sometimes the things we say or do don't make a lot of sense because we are in shock or not even able to grasp what is going on. As for me, I'm not opening my mouth about these parents unless I hear some facts straight from LE mouths. I can't imagine being in the parents shoes with the loss of their 16 and 18 year old girls. I would probably be in a mental hospital about now. That would just be to much to handle. It's horrible and a nightmare they will live for the rest of their lives. I'm glad that they have Erin's little girl to love.

[Mygirlsadie]

This has nothing to do with the two sisters who died but Bobbisangel I have read a few times where you talk about your daughter and it just breaks my heart. I take it that it has been awhile since your daughters murder but its so obvious that pain never goes away and you were just in love with her..I'm so sorry. :(




I know exactly what you are talking about cause I've been there too. I don't think that it is fair to judge anyone's behavior when a tragedy is unfolding. One person might scream and cry and the next person might be like Kelly's mother. It doesn't mean either are guilty of anything. When I was told that my daughter was dead my first words were "she was so beautiful!" What that had to do with anything I will never know but that is what came out of my mouth as I was bent over unable to even stand on my feet. But this is what I mean.....sometimes the things we say or do don't make a lot of sense because we are in shock or not even able to grasp what is going on. As for me, I'm not opening my mouth about these parents unless I hear some facts straight from LE mouths. I can't imagine being in the parents shoes with the loss of their 16 and 18 year old girls. I would probably be in a mental hospital about now. That would just be to much to handle. It's horrible and a nightmare they will live for the rest of their lives. I'm glad that they have Erin's little girl to love.

[sleuthin4fun]

I would probably act the same way the mother did, trying to stay calm, in control and doing the best I can. I was not raised to be hysterical or a screamer. I can be very detached when things get crazy. You do what you gotta do with a minimum of fuss because somehow you find yourself in a dream world.


AfterMidnight- I am with you. I am a nurse and I function the best in high stress situations. It is kind of a detachment I think. I maintain focus and do a better job that way I think. For example. My son broke his arm when he was 9 while riding a skateboard. I heard him scream out and I said to his sister go see what happened with your brother and get him some ice for me please. She brought him in, set him on the couch and did what I told her. No one was hysterical (including my son) we did what needed to be done and then went to the hospital. He got a lot of love and kisses with out hysteria!!! To some of you that may seem odd but, we had no drama. Cool, calm and collected is how it is with me in most situations. Now, don't make your bed and clean your room now that can create drama in our house.

[cheko1]

:( This is a very strange and extremely sad story. I originaly thought it was a murder/suiciced case. The poor baby will someday grow up and learn how her mom and Aunt died. May she always have very strong support.

Welcome to WS!!!

[cheko1]

:( This is a very strange and extremely sad story. I originaly thought it was a murder/suiciced case. The poor baby will someday grow up and learn how her mom and Aunt died. May she always have very strong support.

Yes that poor baby will have to endure alot.

[Indy Gal]

Welcome CC, I too have been following this case just unable to post. I am going to listen to 911 call now and catch up.

[SuziQ]

Bobbisangel, I think what you said about your daughter was so beautiful. I am very sorry for your loss.

[Indy Gal]

I too find the 911 call odd. I am waiting for 40 minutes until BF goes to work so I can really listen to that tape. But I do find it odd and I dont recall hearing her say the BF found her. As soon as I am able to listen to it loud I will post again.

[Indy Gal]

this is what i found~~~~

http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7086171&nav=menu188_1

During the eight-minute call, Mrs. Stanley told the dispatcher she and her husband were sleeping. Erin's boyfriend woke them up.
"We've been asleep since midnight," said Lonny Stanley.
"Did you wake up and find her this way?" the dispatcher asked.
"Her boyfriend did," said Stanley.

I didnt hear this so they must have NOT released the whole tape.

[Indy Gal]

Here are my thought now.

1. why only release part of the tape?
2. Could this be rough sex gone bad? I only say that because if the BF wanted to strangle her, why would he get the parents that quick? I mean there was still a chance she could have lived IMO.
3. If #2 is correct maybe sister knew of their habits and told someone, BF found out and killed her too?
4. Why is every single person in that house is calm. I mean I can totally understand one or two but IIRC there were 4 people in that house. No one was yelling no crying, hell I dont even hear anyone talking in background except dad a couple times. Me so confused about that tape. Also it had to be cut up as I never once hear her refur to BF


This is just my thoughts of course none of them are facts.

[SuziQ]

We've been told the Cod on the first sister was strangulation. The court filing says same cause of death from an outside party. Do we really know the real COD? I've been reading up on strangulation. It's hard to detect and the signs aren't always obvious. Except for defensive and offensive wounds. There are almost always signs of a struggle. Unless the victim was incapacitated somehow. The fluid in the airway that the mother alludes to does sound like a resperatory event of somesort.

[Indy Gal]

We've been told the Cod on the first sister was strangulation. The court filing says same cause of death from an outside party. Do we really know the real COD? I've been reading up on strangulation. It's hard to detect and the signs aren't always obvious. Except for defensive and offensive wounds. There are almost always signs of a struggle. Unless the victim was incapacitated somehow. The fluid in the airway that the mother alludes to does sound like a resperatory event of somesort.
My sis suggested posioning??

[Jen_in_Indy]

I did suggest some sort of poisoning or something that couldn't be immediately detected. But, I was suggesting that because I had the 911 calls mixed up. I thought I was listening to a call concerning Kelly, not Erin.

I'm thinking the mucuos sound could have been Erin simply trying to draw breath. If she was strangled and her windpipe was crushed, breathing would have been very loud.

And I'm skeptical that they died in the exact same manner since an autopsy did not determine the COD for Kelly. The report that was quoted said that it was due to similar actions from a third party. I just took that to mean that a third party caused both their deaths. JMO.

[SuziQ]

Indy, I was thinking the same thing. Some quick acting resperatory depressant or something like that.

Jen, what you said may be closer to the truth. That someone caused the deaths. Not that they died in the same manner.

[Indy Gal]

Little sister getting snappy...LOL Me loves you!

I get it now, you know you have to draw me maps sometimes.

[calidreamin]

Good points Suzie Indy and Jen. I think that means Kelly was also killed by a third party. The 911 tapes also are strange to me. I know people react differently to stress but there were 4 other people in that house you would think there would have been more caos going on JMO of course.

[Wrinkles]

Hmmm... Good catch on the news article referencing the boyfriend, but the tape did not...

Another thing, didn't someone direct us to an article where it was supposedly said that there was no recording because of a glitch (or broken machine) at the 911 center, but there WAS a recor