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petra
09-09-2007, 01:40 AM
McCanns are outside their rented villa getting ready to catch an Easyjet flight

at 9.30 am. Going back home to UK.

Easy jet 6552 from Faro to East Midlands - depart at 9.30

On their way to airport circa 5.40 am PDL.

petra
09-09-2007, 02:01 AM
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2165457,00.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6985454.stm

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,91210-1283316,00.html

JinxieJada
09-09-2007, 02:10 AM
I think they are running...while they still can:chicken:

petra
09-09-2007, 03:28 AM
Short video clip of the McCanns leaving house in PDL

http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,30000-1283325,00.html

.........also other video clips to be found.

delilah
09-09-2007, 03:36 AM
News24 reporting that the MCanns will make a statement at the airport on their return to the UK.

Elizabethsmum
09-09-2007, 04:11 AM
I have been watching live coverage of their departure and journey to the airport since 7am UK time and no statement was made, they have checked in through a VIP entrance and are now waiting to board.

Several journalists were able to get seats on the plane. apparently the computers were down in the airport but the plane was due to leave on time.

kelly

Mygirlsadie
09-09-2007, 04:40 AM
I don't understand why they are being followed around like its the paparazzi or something.

delilah
09-09-2007, 04:49 AM
I have been watching live coverage of their departure and journey to the airport since 7am UK time and no statement was made, they have checked in through a VIP entrance and are now waiting to board.

Several journalists were able to get seats on the plane. apparently the computers were down in the airport but the plane was due to leave on time.

kelly

The statement will apparently be made on their arrival at East Midlands airport in the UK

delilah
09-09-2007, 04:53 AM
The statement will apparently be made on their arrival at East Midlands airport in the UK

Ooops, no, Justine Mc has just made a statement at the airport. Nothing of significance, McCanns had nothign to do with disappearance, returning to UK for sake of twins, with full agreement of PJ, etc etc

Elphaba
09-09-2007, 05:02 AM
I don't understand why they are being followed around like its the paparazzi or something.


It's a product of the McCann media machine... the BBC got their info about them going home, from a family source.

lizziedripping
09-09-2007, 05:17 AM
Did anyone notice when the McCanns left Portugal (the place they swore they would never leave until Maddie was found), there was not a hint of upset, no tears, no looking back, no sadness to be leaving the place their daughter may still well be, dead or alive. Also why did such a close knit family not even arrive at the airport together in the same car?

How annoyed I am, knowing how much money these two stand to make from their impending chat show appearances, media interviews, book deals etc….. I am in the UK and am not looking forward to seeing the McCann’s or a member of their family on TV every time I look at it or seeing their pre-planned stories in the newspapers day in day out.

You just know that the interviewers & media in the UK are going to pussyfoot around the McCanns and not ask any searching questions like they were asked in Germany all those months ago.

This has turned into a ‘poor McCanns’ circus, what about ‘poor Madeleine’ who is still missing due to their parents neglect.

delilah
09-09-2007, 05:44 AM
You just know that the interviewers & media in the UK are going to pussyfoot around the McCanns and not ask any searching questions like they were asked in Germany all those months ago.



Err there's an important principle here of not prejudicing a trial. Given what's already been written over the last few weeks, IF they are charged, they are going to be able to make a good case for media coverage being prejudicial to a fair trial.

poco
09-09-2007, 05:53 AM
I was under the impression they couldn't because they were "suspects." I would think if the PJ had any evidence of significance they wouldn't be allowing them to leave. If the PJ find more evidence against them or wish to interrogate them again or even arrest them, I assume they have to go back????

If I were in a foreign country and my child was kidnapped, I just don't know if I could ever leave. I would feel like I was giving up on her, desserting her, leaving my baby ALONE in a foreign country. It would be tough!

lizziedripping
09-09-2007, 06:12 AM
Err there's an important principle here of not prejudicing a trial. Given what's already been written over the last few weeks, IF they are charged, they are going to be able to make a good case for media coverage being prejudicial to a fair trial.

Err so it's ok for the McCanns to talk to the media as and when they please, say what they please, make a daily blog for the whole world to access -it works both ways. If they are asked direct questions that they don't like then they just don't answer, right?
IF there was to be a trial, it would be in Portugal wouldn't it, so how can talking to the media in the UK prejudice the trial, or am I wrong?

MoonGoddess
09-09-2007, 06:41 AM
I personally believe the PJ have allowed them back home for a few days to settle the twins into their new home whilst Mama and Papa face Justice - I think the PJ have done this on compassionate grounds, I think they know they will face charges this week...

Their hire car has been taken back to their villa which maybe might indicate that they will be returning there...

An representative from an Anglo/Portuguese law firm was speaking on BBCNews24 and made it clear that if they continue to talk through the press that it could be damaging to them and the 'conditions' of their Arguido status could be changed - I really dont think we'll see Fiona Phillips or Richard & Judy fornicating with them...

I personally believe they will be back in Portugal before the weeks is out...

petra
09-09-2007, 06:50 AM
I was under the impression they couldn't because they were "suspects." I would think if the PJ had any evidence of significance they wouldn't be allowing them to leave. If the PJ find more evidence against them or wish to interrogate them again or even arrest them, I assume they have to go back????

If I were in a foreign country and my child was kidnapped, I just don't know if I could ever leave. I would feel like I was giving up on her, desserting her, leaving my baby ALONE in a foreign country. It would be tough!

Yes, they would have to go back. There is a Euro Arrest Agreement, both PT and UK have signed. Other Euro-Scandic countries have had an agreement previously in place.

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l33167.htm


I think it would be very hard for me to leave any place I had a missing loved one. :(
Remember the distance between Faro, PT and the Eastmidlands is circa a 2.5 hour plane flight away.

Euroland is a pretty close knit community. ;)

petra
09-09-2007, 07:03 AM
SNIPPET===========================

Reporters on the plane said the first two rows had been reserved for the McCanns and their 2-year-old twins. They were expected to arrive in England just after noon, following a three-hour flight.
As the plane took off, a family spokeswoman, Justine McGuinness, read out a brief statement, saying the McCanns were "returning to Britain after careful thought" and in order to give their twins a more normal life.
"They played no part in the disappearance of their beloved daughter," she said.
McGuinness said the McCanns were contemplating "their response to and future actions in relation to the events of the last few days which have been so deeply disturbing to them," a reference to the police questioning.
"Their heartfelt plea is that the search for Madeleine should continue and that people should continue to remain vigilant," McGuinness said, adding that the couple wished they could say more, but were barred from doing so under Portuguese law.
Earlier, police pushed back hundreds of journalists camped outside the McCanns' vacation home, allowing the couple and their twins to leave for the airport. Less than an hour later, the car pulled into the airport's VIP entrance.
The McCanns have said they would be available to return to Portugal for questioning if needed.
Despite being classified as suspects in the May 3 disappearance of their daughter, there are no charges against the McCanns. Nonetheless, police could have asked a court to block their exit from the country====================SNIP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_eu/portugal_missing_girl


I wanted to print out some of the article--because these media reports seem to be forever changing or disappearing :waitasec:

petra
09-09-2007, 07:06 AM
I personally believe the PJ have allowed them back home for a few days to settle the twins into their new home whilst Mama and Papa face Justice - I think the PJ have done this on compassionate grounds, I think they know they will face charges this week...

Their hire car has been taken back to their villa which maybe might indicate that they will be returning there...

I personally believe they will be back in Portugal before the weeks is out...

Hi MG-:blowkiss:

I agree with you. Maybe another week or so. But they will be back.

Guruinu2
09-09-2007, 07:48 AM
I think that the PJ LI and UK LI are working together on this very closely..why not let them feel that they have escaped back to the comfort of the known.. how ever temporally? Perhaps they will attempt to reinvent their story to new listeners.....I would not doubt if the M's flat in the UK is bugged.....I think LI have recorded incriminating evidence...now they are looking for other physical evidence to support what they believe to be true based on conversations LI has overheard.

missacorah
09-09-2007, 09:12 AM
Im amazed that theyve decided to return to the UK after all their vows to wait till Maddie was found.

I fear they are going to be in for a lot of stick in the street in England.

Texana
09-09-2007, 09:13 AM
It's a product of the McCann media machine... the BBC got their info about them going home, from a family source.

Interesting.

colomom
09-09-2007, 09:27 AM
I personally believe the PJ have allowed them back home for a few days to settle the twins into their new home whilst Mama and Papa face Justice - I think the PJ have done this on compassionate grounds, I think they know they will face charges this week...

Their hire car has been taken back to their villa which maybe might indicate that they will be returning there...

An representative from an Anglo/Portuguese law firm was speaking on BBCNews24 and made it clear that if they continue to talk through the press that it could be damaging to them and the 'conditions' of their Arguido status could be changed - I really dont think we'll see Fiona Phillips or Richard & Judy fornicating with them...

I personally believe they will be back in Portugal before the weeks is out...

Morning MG!

I soooo totally agree with you. I get the feeling that this is just for the twins. The PJ are awesome and my respect for them grows every day!

They are doing a fine job of making sure that they do not appear to be cruel or insensitive. They do not want video of the twins being hussled out of Portugal by extended family as the McCanns are handcuffed and led away.

The thing that struck me about the brief statement that Gerry read at the airport (http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-1283345,.html) was that when he appeared to break down, just a teeny bit, he still refuses to take responsibility for the part that they played in Maddie's dissapearance. If the had not left the babies alone that night, we would not be here today.



I really dont think we'll see Fiona Phillips or Richard & Judy fornicating with them...:eek: :eek: :blushing:

The english language is a wonderful thing

MoonGoddess
09-09-2007, 09:32 AM
Morning MG!

I soooo totally agree with you. I get the feeling that this is just for the twins. The PJ are awesome and my respect for them grows every day!

They are doing a fine job of making sure that they do not appear to be cruel or insensitive. They do not want video of the twins being hussled out of Portugal by extended family as the McCanns are handcuffed and led away.

The thing that struck me about the brief statement that Gerry read at the airport (http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-1283345,.html) was that when he appeared to break down, just a teeny bit, he still refuses to take responsibility for the part that they played in Maddie's dissapearance. If the had not left the babies alone that night, we would not be here today.

:eek: :eek: :blushing:

The english language is a wonderful thing

Good Grief :eek: :eek: I meant to say 'fawning':blushing: :blushing:

:blowkiss:

englishleigh
09-09-2007, 10:05 AM
I think they are running...while they still can:chicken:

I think so, too. :razz: But the PJ is letting them go, so....and they can be arrested in the UK if needed.

MoonGoddess
09-09-2007, 10:10 AM
I think so, too. :razz: But the PJ is letting them go, so....and they can be arrested in the UK if needed.

Hi englishleigh:)

I think the PJ have let them go on compassionate grounds, I really do, I think they have allowed them to get the twins settled in the UK before they charge them later this week...

:blowkiss:

JinxieJada
09-09-2007, 10:30 AM
if they decided to not go back if PJ orders/asks etc...can an international type warrant be put out for them..UK LE (not sure what's it's called over there sorry) pick them up and then can they be extradited back to Portugal? Sorry a bit of a run on sentence....


AkA...even though they have went back home....they're not off scot free correct?

Jdee
09-09-2007, 10:34 AM
I personally believe the PJ have allowed them back home for a few days to settle the twins into their new home whilst Mama and Papa face Justice - I think the PJ have done this on compassionate grounds, I think they know they will face charges this week...

Their hire car has been taken back to their villa which maybe might indicate that they will be returning there...

An representative from an Anglo/Portuguese law firm was speaking on BBCNews24 and made it clear that if they continue to talk through the press that it could be damaging to them and the 'conditions' of their Arguido status could be changed - I really dont think we'll see Fiona Phillips or Richard & Judy fornicating with them...

I personally believe they will be back in Portugal before the weeks is out...

I agree Moon. They are getting those twins out before the schlit hits the fan. I also beleive they will be facing charges VERY soon.:twocents:

mjak
09-09-2007, 10:35 AM
In my mind the Mccaans have just about admitted guilt by leaving portugal now. They have stayed there this long and now they choose to leave?? A week or so ago when things started pointing in their direction they start talking about the need to leave. This after how many times did they declare they would never leave without Maddie??? To me they are just running. I hope I am wrong but I do not think they will ever step foot on Portuguese soil again. I do hold out optimisum that English authorites will step up to the plate and not allow them to hide. I am equally concerned that this couple have powerful ties back home in England and will indeed successful avoid ever returning to portugal.

mjak

Edited to add I am a fencesitter and if I am drawing this conlusion this is not good for the parents at all if they really are innocent!!

Texana
09-09-2007, 10:35 AM
Hi englishleigh:)

I think the PJ have let them go on compassionate grounds, I really do, I think they have allowed them to get the twins settled in the UK before they charge them later this week...

:blowkiss:

I agree. It also gets them out of the way of the actual investigation. They still have to be informed of the evidence because of their arguido status, but they don't have any heads up as to who's being interviewed next or what the PJ is testing, before the results are in.

englishleigh
09-09-2007, 11:03 AM
Hi englishleigh:)

I think the PJ have let them go on compassionate grounds, I really do, I think they have allowed them to get the twins settled in the UK before they charge them later this week...

:blowkiss:

Hey, MG...I think so, too!!! :blowkiss: I really pray they will face justice if they are guilty!!!

mjak
09-09-2007, 11:16 AM
I do not think compassion has anything to do with why the Mccaans were alowed to leave. It is the law in the portugal that they can leave. LE could not do their job if they alowed compassion to direct their behaviors. I belive they are just ( for better or worse ) following their laws.

mjak

delilah
09-09-2007, 11:34 AM
EU extradition treaties mean there is unlikely to be an unholy battle over extradition as is the case sometimes between countries without such an agreement.

Don't the PJ have now to present their case formally before charges can be made? If they think the case is strong enough they are presumably banking on the fact that the McCanns are highly unlikely to do a runner, so feel OK about their leaving Portugal.

I have no idea what Portuguese law is like on the issue of media reporting being prejudicial to a fair trial but if it is anything like UK law the McCanns could make a good case.

I understand the McCanns are legally obliged not to say anything about their interviews or the investigation now, and that applies whether they are in Portugal or the UK. Whether that means their friends and spokespeople will now keep quiet I don't know. Pres the PJ have taken and will take a dim view of the running commentary that has gone on since the interviews.

Barnaby
09-09-2007, 11:52 AM
I do not think compassion has anything to do with why the Mccaans were alowed to leave. It is the law in the portugal that they can leave. LE could not do their job if they alowed compassion to direct their behaviors. I belive they are just ( for better or worse ) following their laws.

mjak
I agree that they are allowed to travel as no bail conditions were imposed but I think it is probably good PR that if there are charges pending then they should be allowed to return the twins to family first.

Guruinu2
09-09-2007, 01:00 PM
EU extradition treaties mean there is unlikely to be an unholy battle over extradition as is the case sometimes between countries without such an agreement.

Don't the PJ have now to present their case formally before charges can be made? If they think the case is strong enough they are presumably banking on the fact that the McCanns are highly unlikely to do a runner, so feel OK about their leaving Portugal.

I have no idea what Portuguese law is like on the issue of media reporting being prejudicial to a fair trial but if it is anything like UK law the McCanns could make a good case.

I understand the McCanns are legally obliged not to say anything about their interviews or the investigation now, and that applies whether they are in Portugal or the UK. Whether that means their friends and spokespeople will now keep quiet I don't know. Pres the PJ have taken and will take a dim view of the running commentary that has gone on since the interviews.
The M's have suggested that they were offered a plea bargain....if they were and stated it, would this be in breach?

jilly
09-09-2007, 01:38 PM
First time 'fence sitter' here.
Has anyone considered that the Portugese Police may have used this tactic (interrogations) just to get rid of them? Maybe they want this case to go away so that they can all get back to some normality in Portugal?

ETA: I just noticed the 'fence sitter and not guility" thread. Sorry.

Guruinu2
09-09-2007, 01:43 PM
I think that the Portugese Police would like to solve the crime. This puts them in the best light and gets rid of a thorn in their side once and for all.

Columbo
09-09-2007, 01:48 PM
First time 'fence sitter' here.
Has anyone considered that the Portugese Police may have used this tactic (interrogations) just to get rid of them? Maybe they want this case to go away so that they can all get back to some normality in Portugal?

ETA: I just noticed the 'fence sitter and not guility" thread. Sorry.

Odd-- this occurred to me, also, Jilly!

CarpeDiem
09-09-2007, 01:50 PM
Don't the PJ have now to present their case formally before charges can be made? If they think the case is strong enough they are presumably banking on the fact that the McCanns are highly unlikely to do a runner, so feel OK about their leaving Portugal.



I just read a translation from one of the Portugal paper's out today that said the case will be presented on Monday, with charges and arrests expected on Tuesday.

CaliKid
09-09-2007, 02:00 PM
I don't understand why they are being followed around like its the paparazzi or something.

From someone who has watched this spectacle since almost the beginning, the McCanns thrive on all this media attention. Despite claiming they don't like interviews and photo ops, they have lived like stars ever since Madeleine disappeared.

Pinkhammer
09-09-2007, 02:06 PM
Thanks, Moon Goddess, for all the inside info and eyewitness reports. You are a gem!

Thanks, Petra, for clearing that up about extradition. It's good to know that the UK and Portugal have a mutual extradition agreement.

mjak
09-09-2007, 02:48 PM
I agree that they are allowed to travel as no bail conditions were imposed but I think it is probably good PR that if there are charges pending then they should be allowed to return the twins to family first.

Good PR for whom? My understanding is the people of portugal no longer are compelty supportive of the Mccaans nor or the people of England. The repuation of PLE is not dependent on them being nice to suspects in a childs dissapearance. If anything the public might find it disconcerning that they be alowed to leave the country after being declared formal suspects. I doubt LE is happy about the Mccaans going back to Enlgand now but their laws alow it. There is no reason for the twins to be returned to family. Family should be comming to portugal now to care for the twins and support the parents. There are huge advances for better or worse going on rearding there child, niece, granchilds dissapareance going on in portugal now and now is when they choose to leave the country??

mjak

Barnaby
09-09-2007, 02:59 PM
Good PR for whom? My understanding is the people of portugal no longer are compelty supportive of the Mccaans nor or the people of England. The repuation of PLE is not dependent on them being nice to suspects in a childs dissapearance. If anything the public might find it disconcerning that they be alowed to leave the country after being declared formal suspects. I doubt LE is happy about the Mccaans going back to Enlgand now but their laws alow it. There is no reason for the twins to be returned to family. Family should be comming to portugal now to care for the twins and support the parents. There are huge advances for better or worse going on rearding there child, niece, granchilds dissapareance going on in portugal now and now is when they choose to leave the country??

mjak
Well I accept that police don't get sentimental when it comes to suspects but what is the point in leaving babies alone in a foreign country & virtually homeless as the lease of the villa runs out on Tuesday?
I expect that if they intend to arrest the McCanns it makes more sense that the children are at home & well cared for. They could be remanded in custody. It would be silly for family to have to move to Portugal to take care of the children if that were to happen with all the inconvenience & expense.
The police have nothing to lose in letting them return to UK as there is an extradition treaty within the EU so if they do not return when asked they would be arrested & taken back forcibly.

mjak
09-09-2007, 03:06 PM
expense.
The police have nothing to lose in letting them return to UK as there is an extradition treaty within the EU so if they do not return when asked they would be arrested & taken back forcibly.

The police take the risk that the Mccaans may never return to Portugal. Extradition treaty is a legal right to have them returned but it i s meaningless if the parents choose not to cooperate with it. It just complicates things greatly to have your suspects in a different country. Of more consequence to me if I was these parents now is the time I would be moving in to the police station using my rights as a suspect to et every bit of evidence to to me Now would not be the time I wold be distancing myself.

mjak

Barnaby
09-09-2007, 03:10 PM
The police take the risk that the Mccaans may never return to Portugal. Extradition treaty is a legal right to have them returned but it i s meaningless if the parents choose not to cooperate with it. It just complicates things greatly to have your suspects in a different country. Of more consequence to me if I was these parents now is the time I would be moving in to the police station using my rights as a suspect to et every bit of evidence to to me Now would not be the time I wold be distancing myself.

mjak
I think they can be forcibly put on the plane to Portugal but I absolutely agree with you, this was not the time to leave.

Barnaby
09-09-2007, 03:12 PM
Perhaps they have come home just to talk privately to get their stories totally straight, they are probably aware that the villa may be bugged but it is unlikely that the police in UK gained entry to bug the house there i think.

petra
09-09-2007, 03:13 PM
Thanks, Moon Goddess, for all the inside info and eyewitness reports. You are a gem!

Thanks, Petra, for clearing that up about extradition. It's good to know that the UK and Portugal have a mutual extradition agreement.

You are welcome, pinkhammer.

A big thank you from me to MG.

mjak
09-09-2007, 03:17 PM
Perhaps they have come home just to talk privately to get their stories totally straight, they are probably aware that the villa may be bugged but it is unlikely that the police in UK gained entry to bug the house there i think.

I just realised your nik is banaby, lol. I love Barnaby Jones so nice to meet you. I think you could be right that they wanted to put some security distance between then and PLE but I think LE in England is fully cooperating with PLE and I would not be suprised if they did bug there home.

mjak

petra
09-09-2007, 03:17 PM
I think they can be forcibly put on the plane to Portugal but I absolutely agree with you, this was not the time to leave.

Yes, the UK LE have the legal authority to arrest them and bring them back to PT if they are called back and to not go on their own.

And UK LE are bound to do so by the Euro Arrest Agreement.
==========================quoting myself post 16

Yes, they would have to go back. There is a Euro Arrest Agreement, both PT and UK have signed. Other Euro-Scandic countries have had an agreement previously in place.

http://europa.eu/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l33167.htm

MoonGoddess
09-09-2007, 03:46 PM
You are welcome, pinkhammer.

A big thank you from me to MG.

You are so very welcome:blowkiss:

I truly wish I had the energy to post more, I am so drained, I have been emotionally and spiritually involved in this since the beginning, it has taken its toll on me...

I found it incredibly sad being out there, but I do think we are close to the truth now...

I feel Kate could crack this week and Gerry will have to say where he laid her...

Diane

jilly
09-09-2007, 04:04 PM
You are so very welcome:blowkiss:

I truly wish I had the energy to post more, I am so drained, I have been emotionally and spiritually involved in this since the beginning, it has taken its toll on me...

I found it incredibly sad being out there, but I do think we are close to the truth now...

I feel Kate could crack this week and Gerry will have to say where he laid her...

Diane

Hi MG! I have been reading alot the last couple of days and I have to say that I've appreciated reading your posts.
Since you have been on this case from the beginning, do you have a theory as to what happened? And if one or both of the parents had something to do with Maddie's death, what do you suppose they did with her?

CaliKid
09-09-2007, 04:11 PM
Diane,

What is your feeling on this? Do you think the McCanns buried Madeleine or threw her in the ocean?

MoonGoddess
09-09-2007, 04:39 PM
Hi MG! I have been reading alot the last couple of days and I have to say that I've appreciated reading your posts.
Since you have been on this case from the beginning, do you have a theory as to what happened? And if one or both of the parents had something to do with Maddie's death, what do you suppose they did with her?


Diane,

What is your feeling on this? Do you think the McCanns buried Madeleine or threw her in the ocean?

Hi jilly and Cali:blowkiss:

I have believed from the very beginning (colomom can verify) that Madeleine died as a result of an accident in the apartment, I feel this was bought on by Gerrys temper as she was playing up because she knew they were going out to party, I do believe she had been sedated but I dont believe this is what killed her, I feel Gerry grabbed her in a rage and she smacked her head and even possibly broke her neck, they knew as Dr's that they couldn't deny the way she died (and sedatives in the system) and they went into a blind panic. I believe he took control, Kate cleaned the apartment and he went and hid her, I feel it happened at bathtime @6.37 and he had her hidden by 8pm in a remote spot within a few miles of the apartment, I do feel he must have had use of a car at that time because I feel he took her out of the apartment in a suitcase and put it in the back of a car (NOT the one he later hired) I haven't been able to verify his having the use of a car, but I feel he could already have hold of some car keys (from the 'swinging' time they were having) or he could have asked one of the other group to borrow it as he had to run an errand?

I think Madeleine is laying in barren/scrubland or parkland, I really dont believe (and having been there cant see how or where he could have thrown her into the sea) I dont think that would fit the profile of a father who had accidently killed his child, he was her father at the end of the day and didn't intend for this to happen, I cant see that he could dispose of her in a bin, as I mentioned I could not see anywhere near the church where she could be....

I think she must be wrapped in a sheet/blanket or large towel as he couldn't bare to look at what he had done, she could even still be in the suitcase or one of those 'clothes protectors' - you know the ones you use to protect suits/dresses when travelling... there are rocks everywhere in these remote spots and he could have placed rocks/large cement blocks on top of her...

I think they will find her and am incredibly anxious to know where...

This is getting a bit long but just quickly to say, I think Kate will confess, I think the PJ could know its Gerry but is seeing if Kate will crack if they imply it is her, or if Gerry will stand by and let her take the wrap for it... once she has confessed he will have no choice but to lead the PJ to her little body - I think they should be the ones responsible for at last giving their child the proper burial she deserves...

All unbelievable I know, to think these two could have gone to dinner after their child had just been laid out somewhere... I dont think they have fully come to terms with it themselves, they are in utter denial...

ALL IMHO of course...

Diane

colomom
09-09-2007, 04:44 PM
And now you know why we consider ourselves "Soul Sisters"....

Very good, MG. Now copy and paste....into Theories.

:blowkiss:

jilly
09-09-2007, 05:02 PM
MG:blowkiss: Thank you for responding with such detail. I've done a lot of reading this past couple of days. I just posted to Calikid on another thread that I'm "inclined" to slide off the fence, however, after reading your theory (which makes perfect sense), I've totally jumped off.

I don't feel good about it, but, it's all adding up.

Zelda
09-10-2007, 02:05 AM
where the body was hidden for 25 days. If this is true, it most have been a safe place. Why did they wait so long to dispose of the body?

And where were the twins while the parents were traveling in Europe?

Geez Louise this case is very baffling. And if true that the parents were involved why did it happen? And when and why and where?

CaliKid
09-10-2007, 05:14 AM
Diane,

Denial- that's something to consider. Denial + Narcissism = "I didn't do it". It could even mean they've convinced themselves that Madeleine really isn't dead.

Shazza
09-10-2007, 05:16 AM
Diane,

Denial- that's something to consider. Denial + Narcissism = "I didn't do it". It could even mean they've convinced themselves that Madeleine really isn't dead.
They need to see a doctor and get help, (couldnt help myself).

MoonGoddess
09-10-2007, 09:41 AM
Diane,

Denial- that's something to consider. Denial + Narcissism = "I didn't do it". It could even mean they've convinced themselves that Madeleine really isn't dead.

Hi Cali:blowkiss:

I honestly feel there is a lot of denial involved - Kates mother has quoted her daughter as saying "I cant believe this is happening to me, I feel like I'm in a film" - as you know I do believe this was an accident, I honestly feel they have been in major denial from the start and have even convinced themselves it didn't happen... very deep and disturbing...

It has been claimed that the police have trained body language experts observing the interviews and it has been reported that the police are using psychologists to also observe the interviews, they put a question to them that they know is not the truth and observe the response, (check to see if body language IS confirming that couldn’t have happened) all this is aiding the PJ to try and find out what happened – does that make sense?

Its only now that they may be anywhere near facing up to what happened, because its only now that they have been faced with it, all these messages of support from public, press and celebrities have only re-inforced in their own minds that this couldn’t have happened...

They are going to need years of therapy and only when they have faced up to it will they ever be anywhere near healing..

What a terrible mess....