Book Found in Vista Mar villa

[kiltubrid]

This stood out to me in one of the translations Colomom posted in the Portuguese Press section in an article called "PJ Reconstitutes Crime." This was included in a list of evidence:

from Sol paper edition, September 15:
Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=28 (http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=28)

3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy
b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators
c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)
d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children

Not exactly typical vacation reading, is it?

[ceeaura]

If true I just can't wrap my mind around B.:eek:

[poco]

where was this printed/published besides another forum?

[colomom]

This stood out to me in one of the translations Colomom posted in the Portuguese Press section in an article called "PJ Reconstitutes Crime." This was included in a list of evidence:

from Sol paper edition, September 15:
Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=28 (http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=28)

3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy
b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators
c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)
d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children

Not exactly typical vacation reading, is it?

Mind-boggling isn't it....of course it should be immediately disregarded because it is "just a book". It proves nothing....

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[colomom]

where was this printed/published besides another forum?

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1681310&postcount=64

Sol (paper version...not online) and from our friends in Portugal:

Sol is a respectful weekly, in fact an offspring of Expresso and its closest competitor. The coverage from Sol has been more intense, but you'll have to distinguish between 'investigative' reports from Felicia Cabrita and news articles, which will cover the stuff they get from Lusa. Controversial in a well founded way.

I can guarantee that our translator read the paper and translated it as professionally as they have done all the others.

[narlacat]

This stood out to me in one of the translations Colomom posted in the Portuguese Press section in an article called "PJ Reconstitutes Crime." This was included in a list of evidence:

from Sol paper edition, September 15:
Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=28 (http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=28)

3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy
b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators
c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)
d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children

Not exactly typical vacation reading, is it?

You used a link to another message board?

Not much good of a link, anyone who isnt registered at that board can't open it without joining that forum.

Links like that aren't proof of anything.

[poco]

You used a link to another message board?

Not much good of a link, anyone who isnt registered at that board can't open it without joining that forum.

Links like that aren't proof of anything.

That's what I was thinking too Narla, although I don't want to dispute what anyone is saying - am just wondering why there hasn't been more on this in the news. If it WERE true, I would think the media would be all over it and so far I haven't heard a word.

[colomom]

You used a link to another message board?

Not much good of a link, anyone who isnt registered at that board can't open it without joining that forum.

Links like that aren't proof of anything.

The translations that our Portuguese friends have been so kind to allow us to copy from their board have been handled with the utmost professionalism and integrity. :furious:

I can vouch for them 100%.

I am sure that they read the paper version of this paper and graciously translated it so we could all read it and judge for ourselves. No article from a paper is guaranteed "proof".

....thisclose....

[colomom]

You used a link to another message board?

Not much good of a link, anyone who isnt registered at that board can't open it without joining that forum.

Links like that aren't proof of anything.


Oh, and another thing....join it, it's free. I work VERY HARD at copying, pasting and providing them to you....out of the goodness of my heart....so you don't have to join the forum if you don't want to. I also worked very hard at getting special permission to do so.

And please do not doubt my honesty and integrity either!

[KOOL LOOK]

This stood out to me in one of the translations Colomom posted in the Portuguese Press section in an article called "PJ Reconstitutes Crime." This was included in a list of evidence:

from Sol paper edition, September 15:
Copied from: http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com... 86581&page=28 (http://helpmadeleine.proboards79.com/index.cgi?board=latest&action=display&thread=1182386581&page=28)

3. In the Vista Mar villa (rented by the McCanns)

a) cadaver odour, detected by the dogs on clothes that belong to Kate, and on the pink soft toy
b) an English book, normally used by police, that focuses on the different types of crimes, as well as on what clues should be looked for to identify its perpetrators
c) a bible, on Kate’s bedside table, open at the Old Testament, at the passage that tells the death of King David’s son (God punished David with the death of his son, in order to force him away from sin and to return onto the path of good)
d) Kate’s diary, in which she writes about daily difficulties, in dealing with her children

Not exactly typical vacation reading, is it?

Interesting,if true. When you continue to put detail after detail, if it is all true, makes for a darn good argumentative case for guilt.

King David's son died at Birth due to his sin in taking another man's (Uriah) wife (Bathsheba), and haing intimancy with her. Hmmm don't know what Kate or Gerry's motive for that section of the Bible would be.

I did read my Bible on vacation for five weeks in Florida. I do believe this. Their entering the presence of the Pope could very well be a curse just as much as a Blessing. Be careful what you pray for, it may come true in ways you didn't expect.

I'm sure the Pope prayed for answers and a return of Maddy. Most annointed men of the cloth are led and given the acceptable prayer as it's time to prayer when given to them that particular opportunity. Who knows what effects this having visited the Pope has played in the case.

[poco]

Oh, and another thing....join it, it's free. I work VERY HARD at copying, pasting and providing them to you....out of the goodness of my heart....so you don't have to join the forum if you don't want to. I also worked very hard at getting special permission to do so.

And please do not doubt my honesty and integrity either!

Colomon - this has nothing to do with your honesty or integrity, honest! I'm just a little skeptical that's all. You have made a lot of contributions to the Maddy forum and it is greatly appreciated. I didn't realize what was written was from a Port newspaper and was translated into English. I'd love to find out more about this though - see what you can come up with.

[KOOL LOOK]

Oh, and another thing....join it, it's free. I work VERY HARD at copying, pasting and providing them to you....out of the goodness of my heart....so you don't have to join the forum if you don't want to. I also worked very hard at getting special permission to do so.

And please do not doubt my honesty and integrity either!

Absolutely, and no one is going to doubt you on my watch.

[narlacat]

Oh, and another thing....join it, it's free. I work VERY HARD at copying, pasting and providing them to you....out of the goodness of my heart....so you don't have to join the forum if you don't want to. I also worked very hard at getting special permission to do so.

And please do not doubt my honesty and integrity either!


I don't want to join the forum no, I'm trying to get the facts here, doing that would just confuse me more.

I don't know why you would think I would doubt you or your integrity- I dont even know you- what I am saying is-a link to another board and another posters thoughts aren't proof of anything.

[colomom]

Colomon - this has nothing to do with your honesty or integrity, honest! I'm just a little skeptical that's all. You have made a lot of contributions to the Maddy forum and it is greatly appreciated. I didn't realize what was written was from a Port newspaper and was translated into English. I'd love to find out more about this though - see what you can come up with.

No, no, no...not you poco..you have been nothing but respectful when interacting with me and I very much appreciate that.

It was the other comment that was like an insult.

Sorry...

I will do that, I too, want to learn more about this book.

[narlacat]

Colomon - this has nothing to do with your honesty or integrity, honest! I'm just a little skeptical that's all. You have made a lot of contributions to the Maddy forum and it is greatly appreciated. I didn't realize what was written was from a Port newspaper and was translated into English. I'd love to find out more about this though - see what you can come up with.

And what Poco said!

[narlacat]

No, no, no...not you poco..you have been nothing but respectful when interacting with me and I very much appreciate that.

It was the other comment that was like an insult.

Sorry...

I will do that, I too, want to learn more about this book.

I didn't mean to insult you Colomon, I can see you are taking this case to heart and I'm not here to upset you.

In serious case discussions like this case or say the JBR case- legitimate sources are crucial, otherwise it becomes really hard to differentiate between what is truth and what is idle rumour.

[colomom]

I don't want to join the forum no, I'm trying to get the facts here, doing that would just confuse me more.

I don't know why you would think I would doubt you or your integrity- I dont even know you- what I am saying is-a link to another board and another posters thoughts aren't proof of anything.

Read what you wrote.

"Not much good of a link, anyone who isnt registered at that board can't open it without joining that forum".

So, in essence, you are saying that the link is in question because only I (who is the one who copied and pasted it) has access to the forum.

Perhaps that is the issue after all....you do not realize how you are coming across.

[narlacat]

Read what you wrote.

"Not much good of a link, anyone who isnt registered at that board can't open it without joining that forum".

So, in essence, you are saying that the link is in question because only I (who is the one who copied and pasted it) has access to the forum.

Perhaps that is the issue after all....you do not realize how you are coming across.

Um well I'm sorry Colomon, but that is how it is, a link to another message board is not a legitimate source whichever way you look at it.

I will try to come across in a more pleasing way.

[colomom]

I didn't mean to insult you Colomon, I can see you are taking this case to heart and I'm not here to upset you.

In serious case discussions like this case or say the JBR case- legitimate sources are crucial, otherwise it becomes really hard to differentiate between what is truth and what is idle rumour.

Ok, deep breaths here....

I can assure you that it is a legitimate "source", as legitimate as any newspaper article can be. The newspaper in question is Sol, we have learned alot from them. They are not considered a tabloid or a "rag".

I hope you understand how your comments could be misunderstood.

And actually, it is Madeleine that I have taken to heart and I am determined to see that someone speaks for her. I am a passionate person about that, for sure.

[Shazza]

Ok, deep breaths here....

I can assure you that it is a legitimate "source", as legitimate as any newspaper article can be. The newspaper in question is Sol, we have learned alot from them. They are not considered a tabloid or a "rag".

I hope you understand how your comments could be misunderstood.

And actually, it is Madeleine that I have taken to heart and I am determined to see that someone speaks for her. I am a passionate person about that, for sure.
Colomom you are doing a great job and it is deeply appreciated by all the posters who want to know what happened to Madelaine, I too have taken this little girl into my heart, just keep on doing the great job you are doing.

[KOOL LOOK]

Colomom you are doing a great job and it is deeply appreciated by all the posters who want to know what happened to Madelaine, I too have taken this little girl into my heart, just keep on doing the great job you are doing.


I haven't even been on this case like you, colomom and a bunch of the others. I kept popping in during highlights. But the dedication ya'll have shown has been over the top. Your prayers are being answered. We will have answers one day about maddy.

I commend you and the rest of the crew who have been here during the long haul, not when it was just sensational, but when all that was going on were tears and worry for a little girl.

[narlacat]

I have received information that you only came to the Maddie thread to cause trouble, whether this is true or not I dont care, but this thread is about a little girl who has disappeared and the posters here are all trying to work hard to find out what has become of Madelaine, and we dont need someone coming in and causing conflict between the posters.


I am disputing a source, nothing more, nothing less.

[narlacat]

It is okay to question sources Shaz, in fact, it pays to question sources.

[Texana]

So let's get back to what we do know, more or less.

I've seen the notation about the Bible being open to that page from more than one source, not message boards (I don't read them, just for time's sake.)

It is the kind of thing detectives notice, just as the U.S. detectives noticed Scott Peterson had the yellow pages open to "criminal defense attorneys."

Does it by herself prove guilt? Of course not.

Does it go to state of mind? Very possibly.

[narlacat]

So let's get back to what we do know, more or less.

I've seen the notation about the Bible being open to that page from more than one source, not message boards (I don't read them, just for time's sake.)

It is the kind of thing detectives notice, just as the U.S. detectives noticed Scott Peterson had the yellow pages open to "criminal defense attorneys."

Does it by herself prove guilt? Of course not.

Does it go to state of mind? Very possibly.

Hi Texana

Do you have a source for the bible being open to that page?
A source you can post so we can all see this is not a rumour...it's getting really hard to work out whats fact and whats fiction in this case.
TIA!

[Texana]

There are hundreds and hundreds of interviews and articles about this online now, and when I try to google one I get three pages of the most recent news event in the case, and ten pages of garbage.

I spent a lot of time going back and finding a particular source this week for something I said, and once I posted it, the response was..."well, that's just opinion."

Other times I posted links and got deafening silence.

If we're going to end up at "just opinion" then let's just start there, and we'll cut out the extra 15 or 20 minutes I spend looking up the source and posting it, only to hear that it's not a credible source, or it's just opinion as to my conclusions, whatever.

[petra]

PT has hard copy newspapers and internet versions of the hard news available for your reading pleasure and ability to have a legitimate source.

These are written in European Portuguese, not Brazilian Portuguese.

I have provided you with the links. (colomom has links with the english translation posted in thread above)

LINKS TO PT NEWSPAPERS

Website: http://www.publico.pt/
Paper: Publico
Periodicity: daily at 13:00 pm
Language: European Portuguese

Website: http://www.dn.pt/
Paper: Diario de Noticias
Language: European Portuguese

Website: http://www.jnoticias.pt/
Paper: Jornal de Noticias
Language: European Portuguese

Website: http://www.dnoticias.pt/
Paper: Diario de Noticias Made

It would be so helpful if you would translate them.
I would love to compare notes.;)

[Texana]

Petra,
Coincidentally enough, we had a long discussion last night at ballet class about Brazilian Portuguese vs. European Portuguese.

Also, thanks to you, I finally know how to spell Portuguese correctly. :rolleyes:

[petra]

Petra,
Coincidentally enough, we had a long discussion last night at ballet class about Brazilian Portuguese vs. European Portuguese.

Also, thanks to you, I finally know how to spell Portuguese correctly. :rolleyes:

Ballet class....that sounds wonderful!! It has been too many years for me to count. I am jealous......;)

I do Brazilian Portuguese and Argentine Spanish, so it is different than European-similar but with some dialects difficult to understand.

I guess similar to British, American, Aussie, Jamaican, Ghana es, etc English.

Least we forget Scottish, Irish or Texan English.

Languages are such an intriguing study, there is just so much to learn.

[CaliKid]

To all of you who want to complain about not having what you think are credible links to the English translations of Portuguese news articles, I want to make a suggestion.

First of all, you can click on the links from petra (above). Or you can go to this WS thread below:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176

These are links in the original Portugese. If you want, you can use a translation program, such as Babel Fish, and turn the Portuguese into English on you own. Now, if you're still concerned, compare your translation to the ones that colomom gave us. Hers are accurate.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Good luck and have fun!

[petra]

And don't forget The Rosetta Stone Language programs approved by almost every country for language training for military, CIA, FBI, M15 etc.

You can teach yourself a basic understanding in only a few months.:D

[petra]

So let's get back to what we do know, more or less.

I've seen the notation about the Bible being open to that page from more than one source, not message boards (I don't read them, just for time's sake.)

It is the kind of thing detectives notice, just as the U.S. detectives noticed Scott Peterson had the yellow pages open to "criminal defense attorneys."

Does it by herself prove guilt? Of course not.

Does it go to state of mind? Very possibly.

I have never read the Bible....:blushing::blushing: It is on my list of things to do:rolleyes:

So thank you for the description of that passage about King Davids son....
Wonder how that could relate in her mind ? If it does at all.

I have no idea about a police procedure book...LOL...I think I have a few on my night stand too. Along with a very weird assortment of other books.

[concernedperson]

I have never read the Bible....:blushing::blushing: It is on my list of things to do:rolleyes:

So thank you for the description of that passage about King Davids son....
Wonder how that could relate in her mind ? If it does at all.

I have no idea about a police procedure book...LOL...I think I have a few on my night stand too. Along with a very weird assortment of other books.

O/T Petra, I have always enjoyed being on a case with you. Your input is invaluable and your perspective always makes me pause. Glad to see you around.

[STEADFAST]

I don't believe this news story is true. (I mean, I DO believe it was in the news, but I don't believe the story itself.) C'mon. Those three particular books? A diary outlining how hard it was to parent the children, a bible opened to a relevant passage, and a book detailing how to get away with murder? In some Portuguese journalist's dreams!

[Texana]

If it is the passage I'm thinking of, (and this is not saying that it was found at all, blah, blah, blah) King David saw a beautiful woman bathing on her rooftop and he said to himself, I want that woman.

Her husband Uriah was a military leader in David's army. David arranged for the general to be left alone and basically, set up to be killed, so he could have Bathsheba as his wife.

She became pregnant, and they had a son. The prophet Nathan showed up to give David a talk. Nathan tells David a story about a man who is so wealthy, and has many sheep, but takes the lamb of a very poor man. David is outraged and says the wealthy man who had so much, should be punished.

And then Nathan tells David that "you are that man." As penance for the sin of killing Uriah, the child will die.

David goes into deep repentance with ashes and seclusion and fasting, praying for the child's life to be spared, but the child still dies. David stops his fasting and accepts his consequence.

It's a deeply tragic and moving story.And of course, could have no bearing upon this at all.

[AlohaGal]

To all of you who want to complain about not having what you think are credible links to the English translations of Portuguese news articles, I want to make a suggestion.

First of all, you can click on the links from petra (above). Or you can go to this WS thread below:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53176

These are links in the original Portugese. If you want, you can use a translation program, such as Babel Fish, and turn the Portuguese into English on you own. Now, if you're still concerned, compare your translation to the ones that colomom gave us. Hers are accurate.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Good luck and have fun!

Aloha!
I learned a little trick about using the online translators during the "Holloway" case.. At times I found that translating a language(for example, dutch) to another language(another example, spanish) and then to english helped me clarify an article just a tad more than a straight translation. Try it sometime.
Have a great evening.

[Texana]

Aloha!
I learned a little trick about using the online translators during the "Holloway" case.. At times I found that translating a language(for example, dutch) to another language(another example, spanish) and then to english helped me clarify an article just a tad more than a straight translation. Try it sometime.
Have a great evening.

Thanks, Aloha! ;)

[petra]

O/T Petra, I have always enjoyed being on a case with you. Your input is invaluable and your perspective always makes me pause. Glad to see you around.

Thanks CP. I always enjoy your insight. Hope we cross paths more often.

I thought I might get tomatoes thrown at me for not knowing my Bible passages, so I was afraid to come back. LOL
Nice to know it didn't happen.!!:woohoo:

[petra]

I don't believe this news story is true. (I mean, I DO believe it was in the news, but I don't believe the story itself.) C'mon. Those three particular books? A diary outlining how hard it was to parent the children, a bible opened to a relevant passage, and a book detailing how to get away with murder? In some Portuguese journalist's dreams!

Probably not!!! It does read like a media dream of suspense and intrigue.

[Reannan]

First, I would like to say thanks to Colomom, Calikid, and all the others who have been so faithful in keeping all of us up to date on this case. :clap: It is very, very, much appreciated. Secondly, my thoughts on those books. :twocents: The Bible being opened to that passage doesn't really point me towards guilt or innocence. I can see that passage being appropriate either way. If Kate saw her activities during the vacation as being "sinful", she may see Madeleine's abduction/accident/murder as God's punishment for her own sin. We could probably do several pages of postings based on this alone! She may feel guilty about having left Madeleinie (I sure would), or they may have been couples which experimented with the "swinging" lifestyle. The book about identification of criminals - well honestly, I might be reading that myself if I were in Kate's shoes, and was innocent. I would want to know if LE seemed to be on the right track or not.

I still think from the 30,000 foot view, these people know more than they are saying. I include the Tapas 9 in that statement also. I suppose time will tell......at least I hope so.

[Zelda]

I don't believe this news story is true. (I mean, I DO believe it was in the news, but I don't believe the story itself.) C'mon. Those three particular books? A diary outlining how hard it was to parent the children, a bible opened to a relevant passage, and a book detailing how to get away with murder? In some Portuguese journalist's dreams!

Someone posted earlier about KM's journal. I thought it said that the police asked Kate to keep it after Maddy disappeared. I doubt very much that the journal would mention KM's possible abuse of her children.

[petra]

If it is the passage I'm thinking of, (and this is not saying that it was found at all, blah, blah, blah) King David saw a beautiful woman bathing on her rooftop and he said to himself, I want that woman.

Her husband Uriah was a military leader in David's army. David arranged for the general to be left alone and basically, set up to be killed, so he could have Bathsheba as his wife.

She became pregnant, and they had a son. The prophet Nathan showed up to give David a talk. Nathan tells David a story about a man who is so wealthy, and has many sheep, but takes the lamb of a very poor man. David is outraged and says the wealthy man who had so much, should be punished.

And then Nathan tells David that "you are that man." As penance for the sin of killing Uriah, the child will die.

David goes into deep repentance with ashes and seclusion and fasting, praying for the child's life to be spared, but the child still dies. David stops his fasting and accepts his consequence.

It's a deeply tragic and moving story.And of course, could have no bearing upon this at all.

Wow. No wonder why I could never get through the Bible. I take things so literally that this goes right over my head.:crazy::crazy:
...or it could be that it is 4.30 am here!!!
Thanks for teaching me something new tonight.

[KR2tonenow]

Interesting,if true. When you continue to put detail after detail, if it is all true, makes for a darn good argumentative case for guilt.

King David's son died at Birth due to his sin in taking another man's (Uriah) wife (Bathsheba), and haing intimancy with her. Hmmm don't know what Kate or Gerry's motive for that section of the Bible would be.

I did read my Bible on vacation for five weeks in Florida. I do believe this. Their entering the presence of the Pope could very well be a curse just as much as a Blessing. Be careful what you pray for, it may come true in ways you didn't expect.

I'm sure the Pope prayed for answers and a return of Maddy. Most annointed men of the cloth are led and given the acceptable prayer as it's time to prayer when given to them that particular opportunity. Who knows what effects this having visited the Pope has played in the case.

If true, the PL has the evidence they need to charge the McCanns!

[Texana]

Wow. No wonder why I could never get through the Bible. I take things so literally that this goes right over my head.:crazy::crazy:
...or it could be that it is 4.30 am here!!!
Thanks for teaching me something new tonight.

you're welcome, but I have to confess, I did my best to avoid Old Testament when I was at a private religious-based university, because it was brutal. You had to memorize all the Jebzites and Hittites and tribes, and it was populated strongly by stern-minded pre-preacher boys. I took economic history which had a much higher ratio of, in my opinion, dateable men.

Now you know how truly shallow I was. :dance:

That said, I'll add, O/T, that David was spoken of in the Bible as being a man after God's own heart. He blew it big time, but he was publicly repentant and humble and in the end, wanted to please his God.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled discussion...

Kate is always described as being "deeply religious" as opposed to Gerry, but I really don't know how much more so she is, than him. He might be just as convicted but not so convinced he has to attend weekly Mass. She might truly be much more convicted than him, and this is a point of contention between them. Or they might be equally laissez-faire in believing but not feeling the need attend weekly--prior to Maddie's disappearance.

[txsvicki]

King David repented and was forgiven, but he was guaranted that there would not be peace in his own house as was proven with what happened with Absalom. David remained married to Bathsheba who later bore King Solomon, Israel prospered and did well under David's reign, and there was peace in the land. Maybe Madeline's mother was reading a little further than just repenting and hoping that her life could continue on without too much punishment.

[Reannan]

txsvicki said "Maybe Madeline's mother was reading a little further than just repenting and hoping that her life could continue on without too much punishment." Well, it appears that she might get her wish. Unless REAL big news happens.....not just a major "swoop" or "breaking news" that we have heard for weeks now, I fear that we will be discussing this case along side JBR's for years to come.

[ThoughtFox]

Hi Texana

Do you have a source for the bible being open to that page?
A source you can post so we can all see this is not a rumour...it's getting really hard to work out whats fact and whats fiction in this case.
TIA!
I've been on this forum for a long time, and if something is printed in a newspaper, even a foreign one that has to be translated, it is considered a source. Everything is actually a "rumor" unless it comes directly from the police, and we are not likely to get any better sources before a trial.

I guess I don't see what the problem is. Someone is just posting what they read in the newspaper, and not an "opinion."

And object mentioned in the newspaper cannot just be an opinion.

[BethyC]

"Not exactly typical vacation reading, is it? "

I think the vacation ended the night Maddy went missing.

Regarding the book about crimes, perhaps they were doing a bit of their own investigating, trying to figure out who took her?

It's all how we look at things, glass half empty/full....