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PORTUGUESE police last night mounted a robust defence of their investigation against the McCanns and insisted: our case is strong.
Police sources hit out after it was suggested their case against the couple was close to collapse after a judge rejected their application to bring the McCanns back to Portugal for questioning.
And they made it clear that they are determined to continue to build a case against the couple which they believe will lead to a successful prosecution.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/19494/-Our-case-against-the-McCanns-is-strong-
Either
a) they know a heck of alot more than we think they know, or
b) they are pulling a Mark Geragos
firstly the article quotes "sources "from police ie nobody official no statement that we can rely on
the only quote is to some local newspaper - ie whatever
just another tabloid rag making news --
SleuthMom
09-18-2007, 08:53 PM
Don't get it: Our case is strong but "will continue to build a case against the couple"? :confused:
Is this paper a rag???????????????
Is this paper a rag???????????????
the express , the sun , mirror are all tabloids - they will print what they can get away with purely to sell copies . They on the whole will make things up . If I ever see from a tabloid quotes like " sources " say. I know it is probably BS
They do sometimes hit a story - but please do not believe everything you read in the UK Tabloid press
GonzoReiter
09-18-2007, 10:24 PM
the express , the sun , mirror are all tabloids - they will print what they can get away with purely to sell copies . They on the whole will make things up . If I ever see from a tabloid quotes like " sources " say. I know it is probably BS
They do sometimes hit a story - but please do not believe everything you read in the UK Tabloid press
what's the olde saying?...choosing between The Sun, The Mirror or The Express is like choosing between scurvy, malaria or yellow jaundice? ...summet like that, anyways.
Trino
09-19-2007, 07:28 AM
If the case against the McCanns was strong, the McCanns would be back in Portugal, locked up.
IMO the longer the "investigation" goes on, the more people are questioning the competence of Portugese LE. The McCanns are official suspects, but now what?
Okay okay, sorry all for posting the headlines from a TABLOID - I have no idea what the foreign papers are. I was hoping the PJ were onto something. NOT that I want the McCann's to be guilty, I just want to KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO MADDIE!!!!!
PagingDrDetect
09-20-2007, 07:35 AM
Don't get it: Our case is strong but "will continue to build a case against the couple"? :confused:
Sure you can have a strong case and keep investigating. A strong case won't necessarily result in a conviction. An airtight case normally will. Apparently they have a strong case and are continuing the investigation to make it stronger thereby making it less likely the accused will walk. LE doesn't just stop investigating once they have a strong case. They stop investigating when there is no longer anything more to investigate... which is how it should be.
april4sky
09-20-2007, 09:05 AM
McCanns welcome police decision
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7004081.stm
The parents of Madeleine McCann are "very encouraged" that Portuguese police are not currently seeking to reinterview them, their spokesman said.
Kate and Gerry McCann have also learned that other lines of inquiry are not being ruled out by detectives.
The attorney general office's disclosure came after a judge examined a 1,000-page police dossier, including evidence involving Madeleine's parents.
ceeaura
09-20-2007, 09:16 AM
I think they will be reinterviewed.Just as soon as the resulths come back from that second apartment they searched and also the results from the church/church grounds.Also that other area That I just can't remember what it is called.
Notice how quite it got about those searches and findings?Hopefully the PJ LE have finally decided not to leak that stuff so there cannot be a spin put on it.So I am thinking in the next couple of weeks (3 or 4) we should be hearing more about those searches.
Who knows maybe those results will prove the McCanns are innocent.
I still can't help but feel they are guilty and that they will get off on every thing and that we will never know what happened to Madeleine :(
ThoughtFox
09-20-2007, 09:40 AM
I used to dismiss tabloids as unimportant, too. But that was before the Laci Peterson case, when I learned an important lesson: don't dismiss the tabloids.
Since tabloids often "pay" for news from their sources, they often get people to come to them who wouldn't visit the mainstream press. Also, because they protect their sources really well so they can go back to them in the future, they often hit a goldmine of information that the mainstream press will ignore. During the Peterson case, the tabloids were correct down the line, and were first with the breaking news.
So believe me, just because something is in a newspaper which might have a reputation as a tabloid, that doesn't mean they can't stumble over the truth as well as any other form of journalism. TV reporters read the tabloids for leads, I promise you.
Jeana (DP)
09-20-2007, 11:22 AM
McCanns welcome police decision
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7004081.stm
The parents of Madeleine McCann are "very encouraged" that Portuguese police are not currently seeking to reinterview them, their spokesman said.
Kate and Gerry McCann have also learned that other lines of inquiry are not being ruled out by detectives.
The attorney general office's disclosure came after a judge examined a 1,000-page police dossier, including evidence involving Madeleine's parents.
If the rumors that there are several questions that Mrs. McCann cannot or will not answer, I don't see what good rehashing the other stuff will do. She needs to open her life like a book and it the entire thing transparent.
SewingDeb
09-20-2007, 12:46 PM
ThoughtFox, you are so right. I was amazed at how the tabloids had the scoop so many times in the Laci Peterson case and it was factual.
Jeana,
I agree, Kate needs to be completely open with the police. The fact that she has not answered some of their questions really bothers me.
I'm still on the fence but wondering.
CaliKid
09-20-2007, 01:43 PM
If the rumors that there are several questions that Mrs. McCann cannot or will not answer, I don't see what good rehashing the other stuff will do. She needs to open her life like a book and it the entire thing transparent.
My opinion is that people who refuse to answer questions have something to hide. If you have something to hide concerning a crime involving your child, it makes you a suspect.
I don't understand how reasonably intelligent people don't understand this. Or maybe they just refuse to.
Jeana (DP)
09-20-2007, 01:54 PM
I don't understand how reasonably intelligent people don't understand this. Or maybe they just refuse to.
Well I'm not sure what people you're talking about, but if its other posters, let's just not discuss them, ok?
CaliKid
09-20-2007, 02:11 PM
Well I'm not sure what people you're talking about, but if its other posters, let's just not discuss them, ok?
I'm talking about the McCanns and their arrogance in thinking they can fool everyone, not anyone here.
Jeana (DP)
09-20-2007, 02:59 PM
I'm talking about the McCanns and their arrogance in thinking they can fool everyone, not anyone here.
You're definately right about the McCanns!!!!!!:D
narlacat
09-20-2007, 06:02 PM
that anyone is being charged.
Pinkhammer
09-20-2007, 06:14 PM
that anyone is being charged.
..."that anyone is being charged YET."
There...fixed that.
colomom
09-20-2007, 06:18 PM
that anyone is being charged.
Not yet.....
colomom
09-20-2007, 06:36 PM
It takes time to build a case, remember how long it took the PJ to actually interview the McCanns the second time?
There DNA is solid, no matter what anyone says. I seriously doubt that the world's best forensics lab is going to makes errors in that investigation. The McCanns were interviewed a second time based partly on those findings. Along with other incriminating evidence.
There is no reason to re-interview the McCanns at this time because there is nothing further to discuss with them. After all, they refused to answer the questions anyway. When the rest of the forensics come back that will be re-evaluated. The questons will need to be answered. If the McCanns refuse to cooperate with the PJ than the British police will do the questioning. As I have said before, the PJ is trying very hard to be careful and to avoid an international incident.
IMHO...this will not just go away and there is more to come.
ceeaura
09-20-2007, 06:52 PM
IMHO...this will not just go away and there is more to come.
I agree.Have you all noticed how quite it has been about what they have found/not found in that other apartment and the church area? I think the PJ are not going to let this leak and what they have gathered has been sent off to the labs.So we should be hearing about those results in a couple of weeks.
SleuthMom
09-21-2007, 03:17 PM
I just read in Fox news that the Police is back to the original theory that someone abducted Madeleine? Thoughts?
docwho3
09-21-2007, 04:04 PM
It takes time to build a case, remember how long it took the PJ to actually interview the McCanns the second time?
There DNA is solid, no matter what anyone says. I seriously doubt that the world's best forensics lab is going to makes errors in that investigation. The McCanns were interviewed a second time based partly on those findings. Along with other incriminating evidence.
There is no reason to re-interview the McCanns at this time because there is nothing further to discuss with them. After all, they refused to answer the questions anyway. When the rest of the forensics come back that will be re-evaluated. The questons will need to be answered. If the McCanns refuse to cooperate with the PJ than the British police will do the questioning. As I have said before, the PJ is trying very hard to be careful and to avoid an international incident.
IMHO...this will not just go away and there is more to come.
What you say sounds reasonable. However I do note that while I agree that the labs probably did an excellent job I am concerned with how the evidence was collected and when it was collected. Both of those things can change the reliability of the evidence tested, or so I am given to understand from reading various articles on the subject.
Still, all in all, I think you are most likely correct that there may yet be more to come concerning evidence in this case.
Pinkhammer
09-21-2007, 04:09 PM
I just read in Fox news that the Police is back to the original theory that someone abducted Madeleine? Thoughts?
I don't trust FoxNews on this case. They are definitely biased in favor of the McCanns, and do not give full details about anything...just headline blurbs from SkyNews, their sister station in the UK.
KOOL LOOK
09-21-2007, 04:18 PM
I just googled the mccanns, and found some new articles I've not seen posted here.
Headliners:
Gerry demands everyone not to refer to Maddy as Maddie/ Maddy.
Dna evidence. This article named a lab source who spoke concerning the mix ups concerning the dna testing per a family member and he said, with certainty there's no mix up, or contamination concerning the siblings. He said it's impossible the results could be intertwined. Siblings have separate different dna. We all know that folks. That's not new news.
Why are we now questioning dna itself. It does distinguish between each and every individual, even siblings. He also stated they are now awaiting toxicology results. Hmmmm, does that mean they are testing for drugs on any of these children? I sure hope so, for I think it's relevant and should be investigated, being the parents are doctors and have access and knowledge to the world of drugs.
I'm not going to question any dna results in this case, I'm not falling for that spin.
Also, Colomom has named an article about the Father now stating he believes the kidnapper was hiding behind the door when he went in to check on the children at 9:05p.m. A family member states that after 41/2 months he's pondered it and is sure of it now.
Don't know how to bring over links to the threads, just google Gerry MCCann, you'll find the up to the minute articles.
I could go along with the kidnapper, if there is an abduction, having been caught during the attempt, and hiding as Gerry has said. Plus their saying the door was shut and then was ajar. If we can believe them, but I have a hard time believing Gerry. I feel he would have made that known from get jump street.
I'm getting really discouraged about this whole process. Especially the obvious non efforts of adults in the area not looking for Maddy. Where are the good ole samaritans?
Oops, forgot, more info concerning the pet crematory too in that page that pulled about on the google. The owner of the crematory stated he kept all names of clients, and always looked in every bag he cremated. So that should help in knowing Maddy wasn't cremated, unless he's a liar too.
Pinkhammer
09-21-2007, 05:40 PM
Interesting that Gerry has changed his story and his timeline once again now that he has hired a new Portuguese defense attorney ("the best on the Iberian Peninsula" croaks the Daily Mail). This attorney gets 700 pounds per hour (is that about $1000 American?).
This is expected to be paid for with the 100,000 pounds donated by Richard Branson to the McCann Defense Fund, accoring to The Mail.
Pinkhammer
09-21-2007, 05:41 PM
Kool Look,
Although I have a very low opinion of the McCanns, I don't believe they would ever take Maddie's body to a pet crematorium. That is way out there!
Salem
09-21-2007, 05:52 PM
I just googled the mccanns, and found some new articles I've not seen posted here.
Headliners:
Gerry demands everyone not to refer to Maddy as Maddie/ Maddy.
As soon and Gerry and Kate are cleared of all suspicion, I will go back to Maddie's formal name. Until then, no way in !!!! will I call her anything buy Maddie. I feel like these two people betrayed their daughter's trust in more ways than one and if they are going to insist on calling her by her formal name, then I have to insist on calling her Maddie. Every child deserves a nickname given with love............... for me, that's Maddie.
Salem
narlacat
09-21-2007, 06:32 PM
..."that anyone is being charged YET."
There...fixed that.
Still waiting.
If the PJ had anything concrete on the Mc's they would be charged already.
colomom
09-21-2007, 06:55 PM
Still waiting.
If the PJ had anything concrete on the Mc's they would be charged already.
I suppose that depends on your definition of "concrete". I think we all agree that without a body or most especially a confession, that the LE will need to gather empirical evidence. There are still forensics results that have not been returned from Birmingham. Why would the PJ or the British LE risk their case by trying to charge anyone at this stage? It is not necessary, the McCanns are not going anywhere. The PJ will continue to search, continue to be detectives, continue to build their case until they have all their ducks in a row. They will then run it all past the judge who will have the authority to issue any warrants for arrests.
All this may take time and, as for me, I have all the patience in the world. And I have alot of faith in God.
narlacat
09-21-2007, 07:13 PM
I suppose that depends on your definition of "concrete". I think we all agree that without a body or most especially a confession, that the LE will need to gather empirical evidence. There are still forensics results that have not been returned from Birmingham. Why would the PJ or the British LE risk their case by trying to charge anyone at this stage? It is not necessary, the McCanns are not going anywhere. The PJ will continue to search, continue to be detectives, continue to build their case until they have all their ducks in a row. They will then run it all past the judge who will have the authority to issue any warrants for arrests.
All this may take time and, as for me, I have all the patience in the world. And I have alot of faith in God.
Whats faith in God have to do with anything.
This world is full of injustice, God doesn't always give us the answers we want.
Trying to stitch up the Mc's is a desperate measure by PJ because they have no other real clues/leads.
colomom
09-21-2007, 07:20 PM
Whats faith in God have to do with anything.
This world is full of injustice, God doesn't always give us the answers we want.
Trying to stitch up the Mc's is a desperate measure by PJ because they have no other real clues/leads.
Your opinion of God means nothing to me....IMO your comment was not necessary. I was only stating how I feel...nothing else.
If the "stitch up" as you put it is really going down then that means that Scotland Yard is a part of it, yes?
The PJ are not alone....
narlacat
09-21-2007, 07:26 PM
Your opinion of God means nothing to me....IMO your comment was not necessary. I was only stating how I feel...nothing else.
If the "stitch up" as you put it is really going down then that means that Scotland Yard is a part of it, yes?
The PJ are not alone....
You brought up God not me.
I didn't think your comment was neccasary either fwiw.
I am waiting on allll the evidence against the Mc's- you can pretty much gaurantee they have jack- otherwise an arrest would be taking place.
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 07:31 PM
You brought up God not me.
I didn't think your comment was neccasary either fwiw.
I am waiting on allll the evidence against the Mc's- you can pretty much gaurantee they have jack- otherwise an arrest would be taking place.
I have to agree. It's gone to the judge, yet they aren't even calling the McCann's back for more interviews.
I think the police leaked false info to put pressure on them and it didn't work. It didn't work because they didn't do it, IMO.
Barnaby
09-21-2007, 08:07 PM
The only reason that the McCanns are not being reinterviewed is that there has been no new evidence since their last interviews, this does not mean that they are home & dry by any means!
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 08:10 PM
The only reason that the McCanns are not being reinterviewed is that there has been no new evidence since their last interviews, this does not mean that they are home & dry by any means!
Doesn't mean that they're not, either.
philamena
09-21-2007, 08:53 PM
I have to agree. It's gone to the judge, yet they aren't even calling the McCann's back for more interviews.
I think the police leaked false info to put pressure on them and it didn't work. It didn't work because they didn't do it, IMO.
Yes and as unpopular an opinion as that is here, I also don't think the parents did it. BUT I still try to read each post and try to read all the media links posted. I'm waiting for something concrete.
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 09:02 PM
Yes and as unpopular an opinion as that is here, I also don't think the parents did it. BUT I still try to read each post and try to read all the media links posted. I'm waiting for something concrete.
Me too. I just can't imagine with all these parents are going through that they are being vilified on nothing more than rumor or innuendo. If something concrete comes along, I'll change my tune. I just haven't seen anything yet. IMO.
philamena
09-21-2007, 09:07 PM
Me too. I just can't imagine with all these parents are going through that they are being vilified on nothing more than rumor or innuendo. If something concrete comes along, I'll change my tune. I just haven't seen anything yet. IMO.
Me too IrishMist.
I don't want to be misunderstood. Just the other day I read an article that gave Kate accolades for some chilling comments she'd made about her child's disappearance. I later found out the article I read was from a tabloid type magazine whose source was a friend of a friend of a friend.... there was no direct quote.
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 09:09 PM
Me too IrishMist.
I don't want to be misunderstood. Just the other day I read an article that gave Kate accolades for some chilling comments she'd made about her child's disappearance. I later found out the article I read was from a tabloid type magazine whose source was a friend of a friend of a friend.... there was no direct quote.
Exactly.
csds703
09-21-2007, 09:15 PM
Yes and as unpopular an opinion as that is here, I also don't think the parents did it. BUT I still try to read each post and try to read all the media links posted. I'm waiting for something concrete.
I feel the same way. I keep on reading and keep on reading.
I'm just not comfortable with the information and sources.
CaliKid
09-21-2007, 09:21 PM
All summer the PJ has been mounting a case against the McCanns. Just because they aren't hauling their butts back into interrogation doesn't mean they have nothing on them.
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 09:29 PM
All summer the PJ has been mounting a case against the McCanns. Just because they aren't hauling their butts back into interrogation doesn't mean they have nothing on them.
Or, the PJ could be leaking untruths in an effort to make the McCann's crack.
philamena
09-21-2007, 09:32 PM
I feel the same way. I keep on reading and keep on reading.
I'm just not comfortable with the information and sources.
csds703,
Keep on reading! Hopefully there will be a break in the case soon. If only the police could hold news conferences like those held during the Peterson trial. Did you follow that case?
Thinking about this beautiful little girl being without her family tortures me. I truly hope and pray the case is solved soon.
csds703
09-21-2007, 09:46 PM
csds703,
Keep on reading! Hopefully there will be a break in the case soon. If only the police could hold news conferences like those held during the Peterson trial. Did you follow that case?
Thinking about this beautiful little girl being without her family tortures me. I truly hope and pray the case is solved soon.
I was obsessed with the Peterson cases. LOL.
Barnaby
09-21-2007, 10:03 PM
Gerrys latest claim that he thinks the abductor was in the apartment when he checked on Maddy disturbs me, I doubt this very much & why is he only saying it now?
Pinkhammer
09-21-2007, 10:09 PM
He's saying it now because they just had a six-hour sitdown with their four man legal team, and are being told what to say. The defense is in full motion. This must mean the McCanns expect to be indicted and to be tried in Portugal. They have two British and two Portuguese defense lawyers...all very expensive.
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 10:10 PM
Gerrys latest claim that he thinks the abductor was in the apartment when he checked on Maddy disturbs me, I doubt this very much & why is he only saying it now?
Do you have a link showing where Gerry said that? I don't have that.
Barnaby
09-21-2007, 10:17 PM
Do you have a link showing where Gerry said that? I don't have that.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/21/nmaddy521.xml
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 10:20 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/21/nmaddy521.xml
Thanks, but the very first sentence clears this up.
From the link:
"Gerry McCann is convinced his daughter's kidnapper was hiding behind a door in their holiday apartment as he checked on his sleeping children, according to a friend."
IMO, we really don't know what Gerry has said. Only what a "friend" is claiming.
Barnaby
09-21-2007, 10:25 PM
Thanks, but the very first sentence clears this up.
From the link:
"Gerry McCann is convinced his daughter's kidnapper was hiding behind a door in their holiday apartment as he checked on his sleeping children, according to a friend."
IMO, we really don't know what Gerry has said. Only what a "friend" is claiming.
Well it is the friends also who have now come out of the woodwork & are denying what Kate is reported to have said when she first discovered Maddy missing so it would appear that there is some sort of campaign now going on to refute any damning things that were in the news before.
colomom
09-21-2007, 10:26 PM
Thanks, but the very first sentence clears this up.
From the link:
"Gerry McCann is convinced his daughter's kidnapper was hiding behind a door in their holiday apartment as he checked on his sleeping children, according to a friend."
IMO, we really don't know what Gerry has said. Only what a "friend" is claiming.
There is a great new thread called "Separating Fact from Fiction" (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53594) and you might want to bring that up over there. We all are very much aware that the vast majority of what we are reading is not necessarily FACT but we still would like to discuss it....
Thank you.
IrishMist
09-21-2007, 10:27 PM
Well it is the friends also who have now come out of the woodwork & are denying what Kate is reported to have said when she first discovered Maddy missing so it would appear that there is some sort of campaign now going on to refute any damning things that were in the news before.
I just posted about this on another thread. I'm sure their friends are defending them! But on this particular point, it appears that the author is interviewing a witness.
philamena
09-21-2007, 10:28 PM
Gerrys latest claim that he thinks the abductor was in the apartment when he checked on Maddy disturbs me, I doubt this very much & why is he only saying it now?
I have to admit that bothers me too. Think I'll check out the comments about that on the other thread. ;)
That could happen......remember all the scary movies we watched as kids and teens? There was always someone behind the door. ( FWIW-I'm not making light of Maddie's disappearance.)
Barnaby
09-21-2007, 10:37 PM
I have to admit that bothers me too. Think I'll check out the comments about that on the other thread. ;)
That could happen......remember all the scary movies we watched as kids and teens? There was always someone behind the door. ( FWIW-I'm not making light of Maddie's disappearance.)
Gerry said that he went into the room therefore the kidnapper could not have been in there & would not have had time to hide anywhere else from he heard the patio doors opening I think without being seen by Gerry
Texana
09-21-2007, 11:08 PM
If a person were in the room before Gerry entered--what were they doing that they could so quickly step behind a door and not be seen by Gerry? Leaving absolutely no trace of themselves or sound to be detected by Gerry?
And then, exiting the apartment within the hour...by the rear patio door, having entered by the windows, although that was not noticed by Gerry?
Why leave by the windows at all then? What sense does that make? Carrying a child, you would leave from the inside through the windows?
The tampered shutters were supposedly (next to Cuddle Cat's position) the most egregious signs of an abductor. But why didn't Gerry notice the windows open then? Because they were not.
And if they were not, then the whole abductor theory must go out the window, in terms of the "hiding behind the door" theory.
narlacat
09-22-2007, 02:21 AM
I was obsessed with the Peterson cases. LOL.
I was totally obsessed with the Ramsey case, JonBenet stole my heart- man what a cute kid and what a tragic end to such a short life.
I still think about her.
Shazza
09-22-2007, 02:23 AM
I was totally obsessed with the Ramsey case, JonBenet stole my heart- man what a cute kid and what a tragic end to such a short life.
I still think about her.
This is not helping Madelaine.
april4sky
09-22-2007, 04:14 AM
Friend of McCanns counters claims of "lost" six hours before girl vanished
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2507708.ece
Senior detectives have suggested that there was a six-hour period in which the movements of Madeleine and her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz are unclear. A photograph was taken of the child at 2.29pm at the pool of the resort and, according to police, it is unclear what happened from then until 8.30pm when Mrs McCann sat down to dinner with her friends at the tapas bar.
The McCann family friend said: “Madeleine went to the kids’ club in the afternoon, after the photograph was taken at the pool. There are written records and witnesses.
“Madeleine was there while Kate and Gerry played tennis with the tennis professional and other witnesses. She had high tea at 5.30pm with staff at the kids’ club. She was picked up shortly before 6pm by Kate and Gerry.
The latest account of what happened on May 3 emerged after a restaurant owner in the resort claimed to have seen the couple having tea with their daughter.
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The Staff at the kids club as well as the restaurant owner should be able to confim this version of events.
narlacat
09-22-2007, 04:19 AM
Friend of McCanns counters claims of "lost" six hours before girl vanished
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2507708.ece
Senior detectives have suggested that there was a six-hour period in which the movements of Madeleine and her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz are unclear. A photograph was taken of the child at 2.29pm at the pool of the resort and, according to police, it is unclear what happened from then until 8.30pm when Mrs McCann sat down to dinner with her friends at the tapas bar.
The McCann family friend said: “Madeleine went to the kids’ club in the afternoon, after the photograph was taken at the pool. There are written records and witnesses.
“Madeleine was there while Kate and Gerry played tennis with the tennis professional and other witnesses. She had high tea at 5.30pm with staff at the kids’ club. She was picked up shortly before 6pm by Kate and Gerry.
The latest account of what happened on May 3 emerged after a restaurant owner in the resort claimed to have seen the couple having tea with their daughter.
Yes that is what I've managed to get as a fact, Maddie was last seen at 6pm having dinner with her parents.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23412741-details/Revealed:+Gerry+McCann's+last+dance+with+little+Ma deleine/article.do
Shazza
09-22-2007, 04:21 AM
Friend of McCanns counters claims of "lost" six hours before girl vanished
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2507708.ece
Senior detectives have suggested that there was a six-hour period in which the movements of Madeleine and her parents at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz are unclear. A photograph was taken of the child at 2.29pm at the pool of the resort and, according to police, it is unclear what happened from then until 8.30pm when Mrs McCann sat down to dinner with her friends at the tapas bar.
The McCann family friend said: “Madeleine went to the kids’ club in the afternoon, after the photograph was taken at the pool. There are written records and witnesses.
“Madeleine was there while Kate and Gerry played tennis with the tennis professional and other witnesses. She had high tea at 5.30pm with staff at the kids’ club. She was picked up shortly before 6pm by Kate and Gerry.
The latest account of what happened on May 3 emerged after a restaurant owner in the resort claimed to have seen the couple having tea with their daughter.
I read somewhere where Gerry played tennis with another male friend of his, Kate wasnt present. I think it was written in her diary, as she was angry with Gerry for leaving her with the kids. If this is wrong sorry and if it isnt and anyone can find the link, would be very much appreciated.
april4sky
09-22-2007, 04:28 AM
I read somewhere where Gerry played tennis with another male friend of his, Kate wasnt present. I think it was written in her diary, as she was angry with Gerry for leaving her with the kids. If this is wrong sorry and if it isnt and anyone can find the link, would be very much appreciated.
I don't know about the tennis Shazza but I think it's important if the whereabouts of Madeleine that afternoon can be verified by the staff at the kids club and the owner of the restaurant.
Shazza
09-22-2007, 04:40 AM
I don't know about the tennis Shazza but I think it's important if the whereabouts of Madeleine that afternoon can be verified by the staff at the kids club and the owner of the restaurant.
Thats for sure, wasnt there a photo taken on that day and some thought that the date and time on the photo had been changed, maybe reading Gerry's blog for that day might shed some light as to what happened.
Bobbisangel
09-22-2007, 05:17 AM
PORTUGUESE police last night mounted a robust defence of their investigation against the McCanns and insisted: our case is strong.
Police sources hit out after it was suggested their case against the couple was close to collapse after a judge rejected their application to bring the McCanns back to Portugal for questioning.
And they made it clear that they are determined to continue to build a case against the couple which they believe will lead to a successful prosecution.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/19494/-Our-case-against-the-McCanns-is-strong-
Either
a) they know a heck of alot more than we think they know, or
b) they are pulling a Mark Geragos
Give me an a) I don't think they really have anything. The hipe about the blood and fluids in the trunk can be shot down by an expert...even the hair in the trunk according to experts that I've listened to. I think those cops messed this case up so bad from day one that now they just want to see someone convicted and the McCanns are looking pretty good to them. I don't think they murdered that little girl but then I don't think that John and Patsy murdered Jon B. either. There has never been any proof of either.
CaliKid
09-22-2007, 05:29 AM
Thats for sure, wasnt there a photo taken on that day and some thought that the date and time on the photo had been changed, maybe reading Gerry's blog for that day might shed some light as to what happened.
Unfortunately, Gerry wasn't writing in his blog before Madeleine went missing.
I just posted about this on another thread. I'm sure their friends are defending them! But on this particular point, it appears that the author is interviewing a witness.
The friends are the ones releasing information because, by law, the McCanns aren't supposed to. But it doesn't matter whether the friends or the parents are the spokespeople, the source is the same.
Shazza
09-22-2007, 05:35 AM
Unfortunately, Gerry wasn't writing in his blog before Madeleine went missing.
Well that explains why I cant find it, I have literally been all over the net, wow.....Im really tired now and frustrated.
Bobbisangel
09-22-2007, 05:37 AM
Still waiting.
If the PJ had anything concrete on the Mc's they would be charged already.
For months that neighbor man was a suspect. I don't think they have cleared his name yet. Then when that didn't pan out they suddenly suspect the parents. I think they are grasping at straws looking for someone to blame and convict so this case will go away and people will stop saying how the cops messed this case up.
What if someone did take Maddy...are they going to get away with it? Looks that way. She could still be alive and living with a couple who are who knows where. Maybe someone saw her with her parents and thought she was a little doll and decided that they wanted her to be their little girl. This case is such a mystery. I would never go to a foreign country. These cops messed this case up from the beginning and look at the mess in Aruba.
Do you know where the rumor about Kate not answering all of the questions asked of her came from? Did that come from the cops or is that just more rumors running around to make Kate the focus in this mess? I hadn't read that.
narlacat
09-22-2007, 05:43 AM
For months that neighbor man was a suspect. I don't think they have cleared his name yet. Then when that didn't pan out they suddenly suspect the parents. I think they are grasping at straws looking for someone to blame and convict so this case will go away and people will stop saying how the cops messed this case up.
What if someone did take Maddy...are they going to get away with it? Looks that way. She could still be alive and living with a couple who are who knows where. Maybe someone saw her with her parents and thought she was a little doll and decided that they wanted her to be their little girl. This case is such a mystery. I would never go to a foreign country. These cops messed this case up from the beginning and look at the mess in Aruba.
Do you know where the rumor about Kate not answering all of the questions asked of her came from? Did that come from the cops or is that just more rumors running around to make Kate the focus in this mess? I hadn't read that.
I think so too-
Could be, good age to grab kids- when they are too young to remember anything..
Sorry no I don't- but if I had to hazard a guess it would be the latter, but maybe someone else knows.
docwho3
09-22-2007, 05:49 AM
. . .Do you know where the rumor about Kate not answering all of the questions asked of her came from? Did that come from the cops or is that just more rumors running around to make Kate the focus in this mess? I hadn't read that. I believe you might see something about them not answering all questions in the transcripts of the nancy grace show but I do not know who their source was. I am not sure where the papers got the info for their stories.
Guess we need to go back and research that sometime.
IrishMist
09-22-2007, 08:13 AM
I was obsessed with the Peterson cases. LOL.
I was totally obsessed with the Ramsey case, JonBenet stole my heart- man what a cute kid and what a tragic end to such a short life.
I still think about her.
I was obsessed with both of these.
IrishMist
09-22-2007, 08:22 AM
Well it is the friends also who have now come out of the woodwork & are denying what Kate is reported to have said when she first discovered Maddy missing so it would appear that there is some sort of campaign now going on to refute any damning things that were in the news before.
Why wouldn't their friends want to get the truth out there? :confused:
Well that explains why I cant find it, I have literally been all over the net, wow.....Im really tired now and frustrated.
I can't figure out how to get past the first/front page of his blog to see other posts he made - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IrishMist
09-22-2007, 08:27 AM
Unfortunately, Gerry wasn't writing in his blog before Madeleine went missing.
The friends are the ones releasing information because, by law, the McCanns aren't supposed to. But it doesn't matter whether the friends or the parents are the spokespeople, the source is the same.
We don't KNOW that.
My point is this. So much of what we are reading and hearing has to be taken with a grain of salt. Some people want to leave fact or fiction to just one thread, but I prefer to keep that kind of thing in mind before condemning two people that have already been through Hell.
Shazza
09-22-2007, 08:29 AM
I can't figure out how to get past the first/front page of his blog to see other posts he made - HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Poco,
Have you checked out the Gerry Blogs thread in this forum, in the end thats were I found them.
Hi Poco,
Have you checked out the Gerry Blogs thread in this forum, in the end thats were I found them.
All I can seem to get is the first page - his last few posts --- I want to read them all from day one. Anyway have a link or can tell me how?
Shazza
09-22-2007, 08:39 AM
All I can seem to get is the first page - his last few posts --- I want to read them all from day one. Anyway have a link or can tell me how?
Gerry's blogs start on Day 17, that what I found anyway, in Gerry's blog thread in this forum, I was informed earlier by Calikid that Gerry didnt start his blog from the first day that Madelaine disappeared. Sorry I cant help you more, but I have been looking for blogs earlier than that too.
Im wondering why he didnt start his blog earlier.
Gerry's blogs start on Day 17, that what I found anyway, in Gerry's blog thread in this forum, I was informed earlier by Calikid that Gerry didnt start his blog from the first day that Madelaine disappeared. Sorry I cant help you more, but I have been looking for blogs earlier than that too.
Im wondering why he didnt start his blog earlier.
Thanks Shaz, will go check it out................
iNTERESTEDWOMAN
09-22-2007, 10:48 AM
I think so too-
Could be, good age to grab kids- when they are too young to remember anything..
Sorry no I don't- but if I had to hazard a guess it would be the latter, but maybe someone else knows.
There where 2 younger children in that room that would be a better choice if you where looking for a "new child". The twin girl is as cute as a bugs ear, and only two. If you wanted to start a new family, without the worry of the kid "talking" wouldn't you choose the youngest one with limited language? (if you where a kidnapper)
The only abductor who would take an older girl vs a younger one, wants more than a new child...IMHO.
IrishMist
09-22-2007, 11:15 AM
There where 2 younger children in that room that would be a better choice if you where looking for a "new child". The twin girl is as cute as a bugs ear, and only two. If you wanted to start a new family, without the worry of the kid "talking" wouldn't you choose the youngest one with limited language? (if you where a kidnapper)
The only abductor who would take an older girl vs a younger one, wants more than a new child...IMHO.
I can't tell you how much I hate to agree with this. :(
docwho3
09-22-2007, 04:35 PM
There where 2 younger children in that room that would be a better choice if you where looking for a "new child". The twin girl is as cute as a bugs ear, and only two. If you wanted to start a new family, without the worry of the kid "talking" wouldn't you choose the youngest one with limited language? (if you where a kidnapper)
The only abductor who would take an older girl vs a younger one, wants more than a new child...IMHO. I have only a minute or two to post (other things to do- bills to pay etc.) so here goes:
I have been thinking about the fact that only one out of three was taken and which one that was and why that happened that way. There are a few interesting possibilities.
1. A certain possible serial killer/serial kidnapper had apreference for children of a certain age range. (I read that case in news reports and it has been linked to this case.)
2. Parents did it and so no one was kidnapped and so no relation to why two were left alive.
3. . . . Durn - out of time - sorry will try to post more later tonight.
ceeaura
09-22-2007, 06:19 PM
3. . . . Durn - out of time - sorry will try to post more later tonight.
Doggone it Doc,leave us hanging why don't ya :p
narlacat
09-22-2007, 06:27 PM
There where 2 younger children in that room that would be a better choice if you where looking for a "new child". The twin girl is as cute as a bugs ear, and only two. If you wanted to start a new family, without the worry of the kid "talking" wouldn't you choose the youngest one with limited language? (if you where a kidnapper)
The only abductor who would take an older girl vs a younger one, wants more than a new child...IMHO.
An abductor who was rushing in all likelehood- he probably grabbed the first kid he saw-
Does anyone know if there are any pics of the room the kids were in?
An abductor who was rushing in all likelehood- he probably grabbed the first kid he saw-
Does anyone know if there are any pics of the room the kids were in?
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg
docwho3
09-24-2007, 03:40 AM
Doggone it Doc,leave us hanging why don't ya :p Sorry I have run into a snag in the known facts about where Madeleine was actually sleeping and so I am having to research that and then I will have to rethink some of my conclusions. I had based some of my earlier thoughts on the alleged fact that Madeleine had slept on the same bed (all the children together) and inbetween the twins but that apparently has turned out to be incorrect.
This pic alleges to show the sleeping arrangements for the children.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg
And this news article seems to agree with the picture (picture came from a different news place the daily mail.)
" . . .The other children, two-year-old twins Amelie and Shaun, were still asleep in their cots. . ."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/05/nmadel05.xml
So now I am rethinking some things that were based on that "in the middle" sleeping position which now seems to be very doubtful.
Soon as I have some things straight in my head I will post more on the subject but itmay take me awhile to let things percolate. Something about all that is on the edge of my thoughts and I need time to pluck that nagging almostthought out of thin air and hope it isn't something silly when I finally get it. :)
Shazza
09-24-2007, 07:01 AM
Sorry I have run into a snag in the known facts about where Madeleine was actually sleeping and so I am having to research that and then I will have to rethink some of my conclusions. I had based some of my earlier thoughts on the alleged fact that Madeleine had slept on the same bed (all the children together) and inbetween the twins but that apparently has turned out to be incorrect.
This pic alleges to show the sleeping arrangements for the children.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg
And this news article seems to agree with the picture (picture came from a different news place the daily mail.)
" . . .The other children, two-year-old twins Amelie and Shaun, were still asleep in their cots. . ."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/05/nmadel05.xml
So now I am rethinking some things that were based on that "in the middle" sleeping position which now seems to be very doubtful.
Soon as I have some things straight in my head I will post more on the subject but itmay take me awhile to let things percolate. Something about all that is on the edge of my thoughts and I need time to pluck that nagging almostthought out of thin air and hope it isn't something silly when I finally get it. :)
Hey Doc, this is messing with a lot of our heads, it is like a jigsaw in my head and the pieces just wont fit together.
Dr. Creepin
09-24-2007, 07:15 AM
The McCann's say they felt they were being watched and Gerry believes the kidnapper was hiding in the apartment when he checked the kids at 9:05pm. In their first interview with Sky News, they say the exact opposite! Make up your minds! They also state that they only thought about the horrors their daughter could be enduring, for a couuple of days, and then they regained hope! What garbage! Gruesome thoughts would continue to haunt you for the rest of your life!
http://youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=N44SSvIcDvA&eurl=http%3A//ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%2520McCann&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/N44SSvIcDvA/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJ0oJvouMjSKTSOTnFPMdWU (http://youtube.com/jp.swf?video_id=N44SSvIcDvA&eurl=http%3A//ionglobaltrends.blogspot.com/search/label/Madeleine%2520McCann&iurl=http%3A//img.youtube.com/vi/N44SSvIcDvA/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskJ0oJvouMjSKTSOTnFPMdWU)
[QUOTE=docwho3;1696274]Sorry I have run into a snag in the known facts about where Madeleine was actually sleeping and so I am having to research that and then I will have to rethink some of my conclusions. I had based some of my earlier thoughts on the alleged fact that Madeleine had slept on the same bed (all the children together) and inbetween the twins but that apparently has turned out to be incorrect.
This pic alleges to show the sleeping arrangements for the children.
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/09_03/mccanngraphicES2009_800x622.jpg
[QUOTE]
Per this picture, assuming the intruder came in through the window - he would have had to have walked past two other sleeping children to get to the bed Madeleine was in. Was Madeleine already targeted by this intruder and WHY?
pinto
09-24-2007, 09:00 AM
Per this picture, assuming the intruder came in through the window - he would have had to have walked past two other sleeping children to get to the bed Madeleine was in. Was Madeleine already targeted by this intruder and WHY?
This might sound flippant, and I don't mean it that way, but who in the world would want someone else's 2 year old? They're often kind of a handful, not potty trained, etc. I doubt you'd want to take that on when an easier-to-deal-with target was right there, too
And yes, it's very plausible that they were targeted, if this is what happened. Cute little girl, cute little trusting family, a routine followed at dinner every night where you know the kids are unattended for 15/30 min at a time ...
docwho3
09-24-2007, 10:21 AM
. . .Per this picture, assuming the intruder came in through the window - he would have had to have walked past two other sleeping children to get to the bed Madeleine was in. Was Madeleine already targeted by this intruder and WHY?
You might want to look at the thread about someone who is alleged to have been looking for a blond little girl about that age to abduct and who was alleged to have been in algarve on vacation when Madeleine disappeared May. He had a history. And he was found suicided in july in switzerland after having kidnapped and killed a little blond 5 yr old and he had killed and buried her but the body was found when animal dug it up. He had been seen and had shot an adult just before suiciding, according to the article.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53662
Not saying for sure he did it but he is an obvious candidate.
Edited to add: Sorry, I did not come to this thread just to drive traffic to the other thread. I actually intended to discuss the sleeping position of the children as it relates to the topic of this thread and I still intend to do so when I finally get my thoughts straightened out about it all after the rethink.
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