Girl Scout Murders, 3 children 7, 8, 9 yrs old

[WasBlind]

Bumping so we don't forget these children.

[LP Moderator]

Darlin, is there a link or somewhere we can read about this case??

[Ghostwheel]

Here are some:
http://www.osbi.state.ok.us/History/GirlScoutMurders.htm

http://www.geocities.com/welkerlots/scouts.htm

http://www.ardmoreite.com/stories/060997/news/news08.html

[LP Moderator]

Thank you Ghostwheel. I'll check 'em out!

[Scrappinmama]

This story not only scared me, but just broke my heart.

[reneevalenti]

when this happened i was scheduled to go to girl scout camp here in michigan and went but scared to death anything new and what happened to the camp and families

[WasBlind]

reneevalenti, I did not start the initial thread on this case....someone else did. Back then, threads expired after 30 days if not bumped, and I bumped the thread. I know absolutely nothing about this case.

I network missing, lost and abducted persons cases.
Please join us in the missing forum sometime
http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

To see who actually started any thread, whether their posts are gone or not, simply look under the thread title, in this case it was blueclouds.

With love and HOPE, Lanie
Help For The Missing

[blueclouds]

reneevalenti, I did not start the initial thread on this case....someone else did. Back then, threads expired after 30 days if not bumped, and I bumped the thread. I know absolutely nothing about this case.

I network missing, lost and abducted persons cases.
Please join us in the missing forum sometime
http://websleuths.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

To see who actually started any thread, whether their posts are gone or not, simply look under the thread title, in this case it was blueclouds.

With love and HOPE, Lanie
Help For The Missing

Hi, that's ME.

Here's a link I had to pull up from an archive. Hopefully link works.

http://web.archive.org/web/20001101214922/http://www.nydailynews.com/1998-11-30/News_and_Views/Crime_File/a-12295.asp


This is incredibly sad and for the most "UNSOLVED". I think they got the right guy... but my understanding on an article last year is that the "official" testing of DNA is still backlogged regarding this case.

Thanks for bumping this.

[sharon25]

I searched for any new info on this and wasn't able to find any.
anyone else know anything about the DNA testing?
It also seems that it would be difficult to rape and murder 3 girls at the same time alone. doesn't it?

[reneevalenti]

I think it is still closed. But is it grown over or buildings torn down? How are the families doing?

[Richard]

This story is 7 years old now, and the crime was committed over 28 years ago. Although the main suspect was acquitted of the murders, it would be interesting to see what DNA says about it today. It is possible he might, in fact, have committed the crimes, but if not, then perhaps the real killer or killers might be found still.

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From: New York Daily News OnLine; News and Views | Crime File |
Monday, November 30, 1998
Unsolved Mystery
By JOSEPH McNAMARA
Terry Tennant awoke in her tent. Although deep in sleep, she thought she had heard a scream. The 12-year-old awakened a friend, a pal girl scout on the first night of their planned two-week camping adventure. Both listened intently. They heard nothing like a scream. Both went back to sleep.

Elsewhere in the camp of 120 girls, another scout thought she heard screams. It had been a night of great excitement, as the girls chatted and giggled away the evening in the warm embrace of canvas. This scout now listened with hushed breath, but heard nothing. She also went back to sleep. It was 3 a.m. June 13, 1977.

But screams there might well have been, for at 6 a.m. a counselor going to wash found that three young girls had been torn from their tent and slain.

Michele Guse, 9, and Lori Lee Farmer, 8, had been beaten to death. Doris Milner, 10, had been beaten and strangled. All three had been raped. Two bodies lay in zipped sleeping bags. The third was on the open ground.

Fear raced through Camp Scott, about a mile outside sleepy Locust Grove in the northeast corner of Oklahoma. Mayes County Sheriff Glen Weaver was among the first of many investigators to reach the scene. He decided that the slayer had picked that particular tent because it was 50 feet from the others and near thick brush, which would have given the killer cover.

Also — and probers wondered if the killer might have known it — the fatal tent was among very few that did not have an adult counselor sleeping in it.

With the murder of the three girls, all from the Tulsa area 30 miles west, investigators descended on Locust Grove, a town of 1,019 people.

"I just don't think we have that many nuts in the area," the sheriff said. "It makes me pretty mad."

Hot on a Trail

Two days later, two tracking dogs were brought in from Pennsylvania to find the killer's path. Within a week, one died of heat prostration and the other was hit by a car. Others were brought in and led searchers to a small cave a mile from the murder scene.

Empty food cans indicated someone had lived there, if briefly. Also found: two tattered photographs of three women. The pictures, when spread across area newspapers, brought results in a day. The women were guests at the 1969 wedding of a prison worker's daughter.

Among those attending that wedding was a prison trusty named Gene Leroy Hart, who worked as a darkroom assistant at the prison.

"He's got to be our man," Weaver said.

At the time of the wedding Hart, 33, a Cherokee Indian, was serving a 10-year sentence for kidnapping two young women in Tulsa in 1966 and raping one of them.

He was paroled later in 1969 but was arrested within months on four counts of burglary. Convicted of the robberies, Hart was given 305 years — the second-largest term ever meted out in Tulsa. In 1973, during a transfer, Hart broke out of Weaver's jail in Pryor, Okla., and was still loose at the time of the three slayings.....

Links:

http://web.archive.org/web/20001101214922/
http://www.nydailynews.com/1998-11-30/News_and_Views/Crime_File/a-12295.asp

[smile22]

this story always struck close to home i was a girl scout and my sister is a girl scout i remeber going away to camp it was my first camping trip everyone else was staying overnite except me and another scouter we left at the end of the day. then i remember our leaders telling us about another camp which was farther away and it was a longer stay a few days i think to a week, i wanted to go but at the time i was still afraid to be away from home and never went. how said that a camping trip turned wrong. i hope that the murders can be solved didnt that guy who was in jail die of heart problems?

[missacorah]

It reminded me a little of the Memphis 3 case which was equally heart breaking. Do you think there may have been more than 1 killer bearing in mind there were 3 victims?

[Mullins]

Were any prints lifted from cans, etc, from the 2nd cave? If so, I wonder if they've been run through any databases recently?

[sabego]

They have announced that they are doing new DNA testing this week in Oklahoma City. The results should be known by the end of this week!

I can't hardly wait to hear the results.

Stay tuned!

Sabego

[Marie]

It'd be wonderful if this case were solved.

[sabego]

Here is the link to the story in the Tulsa media.

http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=128048

I have always felt that Gene Leroy Hart was guilty. I lived in Tulsa then and had two kids around the same age.

My husband's aunt and uncle had a cabin near the camp ground and it had been broken into and stuff stolen. They traced it back to Hart.

Sabego

[raindrops300]

There is another thread on this in "Crimes in the News". Can they be merged here? Does anyone know how?

Last awaiting DNA results...anyone heard anything?

[gaia227]

There is some very interesting discussions going on at A&E Cold Case forum. A man truly believes his brother committed the murders. Terry Lee Allen is his name and he apparently molested many little girls in his family. His brother claims that Allen lives right at the entrance of the girl scout camp and he takes visitors there often showing them the spot where the girls were found and laughs about it. Very Creepy. This guys whole family hates him and believe he is the murderer. They have contacted police but of course the police haven't done anything. Here is the link. I found the information from the brother 'Springcreek' around page 50.
http://boards.aetv.com/thread.jspa?threadID=100001959&start=735

Here is one of springcreek's posts regarding his brother. His niece also posts as well.

As everyone knows by now, that the last DNA test on GLH came back negative. So the killer is STILL out there. Has everyone forgotten that Terry Allen Martin took his nieces with their parents to the sight where the three girls were killed and actually showed them the spot and the exact tree that they were found by, and he would laugh as if it were nothing. Take it from me, he is a very sick person. Reports from his nieces have been turned in to the Mayes County Sheriff's office, stating in detail what he did to them. I read one of them and I cried all the way through it. How dare he do this to my nieces. He is an animal!!! Still nothing has been done to him. I want to see him behind bars. I can't understand why he hasn't been arrested. How many more children will he molest??? Once a child molester, is always a child molester. How can the law enforcement let him run free, when they know what kind of person he is. Who knows, maybe he had something to do with the Girl Scout Murders. I hear he's selling his propery that he stole from his mother and moving out of state. He may run, but he can't hide.

[suzannec4444]

Hi
This is very sad.This case can be solved.It needs alot of publicity and to keep pushing this case.Put it everywhere and keep bumping it up.Has the DNA taken from the girls bodies been put into the DNA data base to check criminals DNA for a possible match or in families DNA CODIS.If not WHY?

suzanne

[gaia227]

I know they collected DNA from the crime scene because they used it to test against Hart's DNA(came back inconclusive). I don't know if it has been put into CODIS or not.

[suzannec4444]

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Camp director Barbara Day said she knew that the camp had received several threatening notes. The notes claimed that four little girls would be killed. Also, she said the camp had been burglarized several weeks before the camp opened, but she never considered the notes or the burglaries to be serious.

This is terrible.There were threats and they still let little girls go to camp?Did they check or can they check now for clues from the threats?Fingerprints ect...on the notes?Were the notes handwritten?was the hand writtig similar to any ones back then?Can some one check to see if they put this DNA into the DNA data base.If he killed like this before.He probably did it many times again?Were there any other similar killings through out the years?What more do they know of Jack Shroff's and his farm?


http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/girlscoutmurders/

[suzannec4444]

Hi
I am reading alot on this story.I find it very interesting.I saw something in The Oklahoma Hero's:The Oklahoma Peace Officer's when I googled this. Was Doris Milner's father a police officer then?I wonder if that had to do with anything.I think they need to check the fingerprint found in the databases everywhere too.


suzanne

[Shecky]

Bumping this case up. This is one of those cases that seems too horrible to be reality.

I spent my morning reading posts on this forum: http://girlscoutmurders.yuku.com/forums/63/t/General-Discussion.html

Lots of interesting thoughts and some pictures of the campsite there.

[gaia227]

Yes it is pretty unbelievable with everything that went on that night the counselors were not starting to get suspicious. Numerous girls reported seeing a strange man lurking about, peeking in their tents, etc. How he raped and murdered three little girls with so many people around is bizarre.

I posted the link a few posts up in Feb to the Cold Case Files forum. There are family members who post there who really think on of their family members is responsible. He was a child molester, he lived near the sight, he was very interested in the case, he still lives by the sight and likes to take people there, etc, etc. It is pretty interesting. LE has DNA but won't listen to these people and just try to test this guy's DNA to see if there is a match.

[Laura_Bean]

You would think, if someone was looking in the girls in their tents before this happened, he was someone the children trusted and knew. I would start there, with someone who the children knew and were fond of. How he could rape and murder three small girls with no one realizing it until morning is fairly simple, sadly. One, if they knew him and trusted him they wouldn't start screaming until he hurt them. Secondly, and this is even sadder, all he would have to do to shut them all up, would be to tell them if you scream I kill these two. If you scream I kill these two. And if you scream, I kill these two. So they stay quiet, until he kills the first and than he quickly kills the other two before they have much screaming time. Than he leaves. And probably the counselors believed some of the children just stayed up and were telling scary stories or something, and most children were with counselors in their tents so, they probably believe it's being handled by one of them.

[ScreenName]

Just started reading about this case. I have heard about it when I was younger...even attended a girl scout camp in WI in 1986. (not sure how my mother could allow that!) Does anyone know where I can find some pics of the camp?

[gaia227]

If you go to Google and type in girl scout murders camp scott and then set it to images you will see some pics.

There used to be a whole website devoted to the murders but it has been closed recently :(