Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart #2

[Jen_in_Indy]

Carrying over from here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184

Here's another article that basically states everything from the previous article:
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14171782/detail.html

The one thing I noted was an answer to whose care the baby is in:
"The teens' parents have asked neighbors not to speak to reporters. But one person said Dale and Lonny Stanley and Alexis were no longer living at the ranch-style home, where telephone calls ring unanswered."

[Shamrock]

I am so confused. What is going on???? Erin's death was a homicide but now maybe not?? And with Kelly they have no clue?? This is crazy!!

[misterallgood]

All, in the 1st thread someone referenced this post at CrimeBlog.US:

http://crimeblog.us/?p=555

I was not the author, FYI. The post was authored by "Eyes for Lies" who contributes posts, sometimes weekly, to CrimeBlog.US. Just wanted that to be clear. I like getting credit for my own work, I'm sure she (Eyes for Lies) does too :)

Steve/Mr. A

[Wrinkles]

Hello Reannan,

You asked for an encapsuled version... I don't know if it will help, but you can read a message I wrote (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1689537&postcount=410) and sent out to the news media. Within that message are a number of points and URL references to locations from where quotes were taken.

Samiya wrote up a transcript of the 911 call which was made per Erin. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1689954&postcount=417)

We had this:
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070914/UPDATES/70914013
>>Records released today by Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman reveal Centerville sisters Erin and Kelly Stanley died in the same fashion.

A search warrant of the home of Dale and Lonny Stanley at 704 Elm Drive in Centerville issued Sept. 7 and released today indicates Kelly Stanley had been assisting Centerville police officers in the investigation of her sister's death.

The search warrant included access to a computer at the home, which the girls shared with their parents.

The document also said both deaths appeared to be caused by "similar action on the part of another party."<<

In the above quoted article it also says:
"An autopsy done that day determined Erin Stanley’s death to be a homicide."

Then this... An updated news article arrived on the 20th Sept., but seems to bring only more confusion now. (http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=75457)

The above article at WIBC says this:
>>In e-mails sent Thursday, however, Shipman cautioned against calling both sisters' deaths homicides, noting that an autopsy on Kelly Stanley was inconclusive.

"The pathologist's observations during Kelly Stanley's autopsy did not confirm the initial beliefs of the officers," Shipman said in his e-mail, noting that police had noted the similar location and times _ both in the morning _ of the teens' deaths.

Shipman also said he had received a toxicology report Thursday on Kelly Stanley that showed there were "no drugs, alcohol or other substances in her system which would have caused her death." He said a pathologist will review the report and make a final ruling on how she died.

Officials have declined to say how Erin Stanley was killed. But state police Sgt. Noel Houze, who was at the teens' home the day the younger sister was found, said he was told by a coroner's official that Erin may have been strangled. <<

So... It seems like there is some oddities going on here... There was word of another party involved in both deaths, there was also this note:

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709150301
>>Neither Kelly nor Erin Stanley had any apparent medical conditions that would have caused a sudden death, the search warrant said.<<

Now, a pathologist will review "the report" to determine Kelly's cause of death. This note really bothers me, as it says "review the report" which seems to indicate that Kelly's body is not available for a 2nd or 3rd opinion from another, maybe more qualified, pathologist. Of course, that is a presumption.

W

[Indy Gal]

All, in the 1st thread someone referenced this post at CrimeBlog.US:

http://crimeblog.us/?p=555

I was not the author, FYI. The post was authored by "Eyes for Lies" who contributes posts, sometimes weekly, to CrimeBlog.US. Just wanted that to be clear. I like getting credit for my own work, I'm sure she (Eyes for Lies) does too :)

Steve/Mr. A
Thanks Steve, tell her I am sorry!!

[Indy Gal]

ATTENTION....I have the info needed to find the deleted stuff from myspace. Anyone want to try, I cant figure this kind of stuff out. Let me know I will pm the info to you!

[SuziQ]

But curiosity and interest in the case has been intense on websleuths.com. In fact, Web traffic Thursday on the site involving the teens outpaced that of traffic concerning last week’s Las Vegas robbery case involving former National Football League star O.J. Simpson.

More than 10,500 people read about the Stanley sisters compared to the 6,345 who elected to read about Simpson.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/NEWS01/70921001

[CvilleCit]

It's really crazy to think that all of this is based out of my little town, and two girls I sat next to in class and heard laugh every day of high school. Wow!

[Shamrock]

ATTENTION....I have the info needed to find the deleted stuff from myspace. Anyone want to try, I cant figure this kind of stuff out. Let me know I will pm the info to you!

Has anyone taken you up on this yet? If not, you can pm the info to me and I'll have my husband do it. There's no way I could figure it out but I'm sure he can.

[Samiya]

Hello Reannan,

snipped....


Then this... An updated news article arrived on the 20th Sept., but seems to bring only more confusion now. (http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=75457)

The above article at WIBC says this:
>>In e-mails sent Thursday, however, Shipman cautioned against calling both sisters' deaths homicides, noting that an autopsy on Kelly Stanley was inconclusive.

W

Maybe this might help :)

In e-mails sent Thursday, however, Shipman cautioned against calling both sisters' deaths homicides, noting that an autopsy on Kelly Stanley was inconclusive.

~~~~~~~~

Sami's note:

Due to Kelly's cause of death currently having 'inconclusive' status (COD currently unknown), Shipman is cautioning against statements that Kelly's death was also due to homicide. (Therefore the use of the words "both sister's deaths homicides").

Sami

[Taximom]

But curiosity and interest in the case has been intense on websleuths.com. In fact, Web traffic Thursday on the site involving the teens outpaced that of traffic concerning last week’s Las Vegas robbery case involving former National Football League star O.J. Simpson.

More than 10,500 people read about the Stanley sisters compared to the 6,345 who elected to read about Simpson.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/NEWS01/70921001

What an interesting point. I think this shows where are hearts truly are...with the Stanley sisters and their family.

OJ deserves absolutely everything negative that comes his way. These two young women had their entire lives before them. More children, more time with family and friends, and more learning and loving. They did not deserve to die this young, especially if it's at the hand of someone else.

My thoughts and prayers are still with their family, and especially baby Alexis, who didn't deserve this either.

Go Websleuthers. :blowkiss:

Pal-Item, I appreciate the fact that you are not partaking in spreading rumors and are sticking with the facts as you know them. It's frustrating not knowing everything, but I understand. If you look at the Madeleine McCann case, that's an example of news to the public gone bad.

[Bobbisangel]

But curiosity and interest in the case has been intense on websleuths.com. In fact, Web traffic Thursday on the site involving the teens outpaced that of traffic concerning last week’s Las Vegas robbery case involving former National Football League star O.J. Simpson.

More than 10,500 people read about the Stanley sisters compared to the 6,345 who elected to read about Simpson.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/NEWS01/70921001


All that most people have to say about Simpson is....hang him high! The Stanley girls are a whole nother story. Two sisters dying within 6 days of each other. Something darn strange about that. One was murdered and I would bet anything that Kelly was also murdered by that same person.

[Taximom]

It's really crazy to think that all of this is based out of my little town, and two girls I sat next to in class and heard laugh every day of high school. Wow!

CvilleCit, I know you must still be in shock at what has happened. Especially since nobody knows how or why. It's hard to believe something happened if we don't know how or why. Once we know how (and if we are lucky "why" even though it won't make sense), it's possible our hearts and minds won't be able to handle it. Especially those family and friends that are younger, and those that were close to them at work and school.

I really hope the town and school leaders are pulling together to provide for all of you that may need some kind of counseling as this case progresses. You will all need to talk about this with someone at one time or another. Take them up on the offer if you can. :blowkiss:

[Anita Richman]

Taximom, you are an angel!

[Taximom]

Taximom, you are an angel!

:blushing: I think WS is filled with angels, don't you? Thanks, Anita. :blowkiss:

My heart aches for this family and the little baby girl.
:( I'm a complete stranger to them, so I can't even imagine what their family and friends must be feeling.

[Wrinkles]

Hello All,

Sami, yes... I had caught that distinction on "both" as homicide (and not concluding that both were). When I first heard of this case, I thought, "How can this be?" I could not really imagine that Kelly would be unprotected in her own home after the death of Erin. I could imagine the possibility that Kelly had a sudden death (SD) heart issue like Long QT that had never been found before, that in her severe stress in grieving the loss of Erin that she experienced a deadly heart rhythm (VT, VFib) while sleeping, and passed away.

I watched for news articles. When the one came out mentioning that there was something "not normal" about Erin's death (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070913/NEWS01/709130309/1008), that "Police have said they are treating the case as a homicide and believe Erin Stanley was strangled," (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070913/NEWS01/709130309/1008) then there was the note that both died by "similar action on the part of another party." (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070914/UPDATES/70914013) Then there was the note that , "Neither Kelly nor Erin Stanley had any apparent medical conditions that would have caused a sudden death." (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709150301) In a sense, I put away the SD heart idea due to the note of "similar action." On the other hand, it doesn't rule out that it could have been a contributing factor if another party acted. A fear can bring on an arrhythmia in an affected heart.

Unfortunately, it is not always easy to find arrhythmic death producing heart issues after the fact. As you probably know, there are some heart and/or SD maladies that leave their markers quite clearly, a heart wall is thickened, thinned, affected... There can be holes in the heart walls, enlargement, valves or vessels that are obviously deformed, etc. and so on. Similarly there are some SD maladies in the early phases that may produce an arrhythmic death, BUT leave very hard to find "substrate" (I believe that is the word.) It would take a very knowledgeable and skilled pathologist to know "where" to look for the affected part of the heart, the slides would have to be prepared carefully (sharp "slicing" tools that do not antagonize the prep of the slide material, if you will), and "experienced" eyes would have to examine the heart material. Over the last few years, I have assisted a number of people to get heart slides, as well as whole autopsied or explanted hearts moved to a few specialists. The work of determining the exact diagnosis was certainly not very easy or straightforward in a number of cases.

Having said the above, I am not extremely familiar with certain SD issues which I believe are called "channelopathies" (Long QT, Brugada Syndrome, etc.) These may produce no detectable substrate, or perhaps the words I want are "scar tissue" or "damaged tissue." These diseases may not have any, just a molecular issue that produces arrhythmias producing SD. In essence, family history would have to be taken (are there SDs littering this family group?), maybe genetic testing done to determine if a gene mutation for one of these channelopathies is/was present in the family or affected person. Unfortunately, gene work can be difficult as well, and may not lead to a definite conclusion. Unfortunately, a gene mutation may be present, but it may just not be one of those which is currently recognizable (not all gene mutations have been found). IF the affected person (or one of their family members) IS found with a recognizable gene mutation, there could be a relatively reasonable guess that a person died from SD as a result of the disease. Even so, there are other conclusions which could be drawn...

Example: Let's say that Kelly had a yet undetected SD producing heart disease. Let's say she NEVER experienced one of the disease's deadly arrhythmias (thus she did not have "any apparent medical condition.." (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709150301)) Let's say someone came into her room and 1) started to put their hands around or neck OR 2) held a bottle of some poisonous spray (or dredged rag, or syringe, or or or) in front of her... Fear could have set off an adrenaline surge or "other physiological something" which would, for the first time, kick off a deadly arrhythmia. Whether Kelly was choked, sprayed, powdered, syringed etc. the arrhythmia could have contributed to or caused her death. IN FACT, just "the thought" that someone might have killed her sister, a stressful dream, could have set off something in her body that kicked off a deadly arrhythmia.

But we don't know what is going on... We don't know how thorough Erin's or Kelly's autopsies really were. We do not know the expertise of the person who did these autopsies. We do not know whether Erin's or Kelly's hearts were kept and sent to experts for consideration. We don't know if there is a history of SD in this family or any reason to believe that Erin or Kelly might have had an SD disease (often SD diseases are genetic.) We don't know if other body organs of either girl were kept for further testing, in the event there was some rare poison used, one which would mean more in depth study for its presence in the body by experts. There are so many unknowns.

I hope that the Stanleys, who must surely be so torn up and broken by these horrific events, have had some very stable and wise advocates step up to stand alongside them to help them "pursue" certain answers which could lend to their eventual knowledge of what happened to their precious daughters. IF their daughters need justice, I pray that some BIG help has stepped alongside these people, those with nothing more than righteousness in their minds.

IF there was no murder, so be it... I never look for a scapegoat, but for truth AND, if justice is needed, for the application of that justice. IF there was a murder, there is no other way around it at this time, NONE of us have been informed that a suspect has been apprehended and/or incarcerated! The murderer remains running around and could attack again.

We don't know if LE has apprehended and/or incarcerated a suspect (for any other reason, detaining them without our knowledge and maybe for the underlying purposes of a crime to Erin and/or Kelly, and on some other charge), we don't know if a suspect is being surveilled.

LE would like everyone in the community of Centerville, as well as the greater outlying community, to believe that they have this situation well in hand. They would like us to believe that their "lack of more information" to the rest of us is because to give it would be to damage their work. I would like to believe that the local and state LE involved in this case, as well as the coroner, have this all very well in hand.

I am struggling because that which I have learned so far leads me to the very uncomfortable feeling that things really aren't in hand. I hope that the local and state LE, as well as the coroner prove me very wrong. I am struggling that two lovely young lives are gone, these could have been my girls. They weren't, but they are, they are "our girls" as many of us are/were parents -- and so I have an interest to see these parents comforted, helped, avenged by justice (if appropriate). I am struggling because it seems that there could be a greater wisdom, even a minimal explanation come down from LE to comfort us all, but I have just not felt that...

And...WHERE IS JAMES? Where are his expressions of pain on the internet or in newspaper articles? Will James be present with his baby and at Aunt Kelly's memorial service today?

I don't want "glitz and rumor" in reporting. I don't want a scapegoat. I want truth and, if appropriate, justice. I also do not want anyone else to lose their lives in this scenario.

W

[mysteriew]

In the old thread SusieQ has posted a couple of the articles about the coroners findings.

This is what I just posted at Crimeblog:

SuziQ // Sep 21, 2007 at 10:09 am
It appears the authorites are backtracking on the “homicide” statement. This may not be murder after all.
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It uses the word “homicide” in referring to each death. In e-mails sent Thursday, however, Shipman cautioned against calling the sisters’ deaths homicides, noting that an autopsy on Kelly Stanley is inconclusive.
“The pathologist’s observations during Kelly Stanley’s autopsy did not confirm the initial beliefs of the officers,” Shipman said in his e-mail, noting that police had noted the similar location and times – both in the morning – of the teens’ deaths.
Shipman said he received a toxicology report Thursday on Kelly Stanley that showed there were “no drugs, alcohol or other substances in her system which would have caused her death.” He said a pathologist will review the report and make a ruling on how she died.
Officials have declined to say how Erin Stanley died. But state police Sgt. Noel Houze, who was at the teens’ home the day the younger sister was found, said he was told by a coroner’s official that Erin may have been strangled.
***
http://tinyurl.com/2ug9fm

***
I'm beginning to question the coroners credentials.

09-17-2007, 12:22 AM
SuziQ
Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 158

Here are some interesting articles I came across today

"Wayne County Coroner Kevin Fouche said he noticed something was not normal during the autopsy of 19-year-old Erin Stanley."
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dl...709130309/1008

Records released today by Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman reveal Centerville sisters Erin and Kelly Stanley died in the same fashion.
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dl...DATES/70914013
Q

The way I am reading this is that on Erin, the coroner at first missed signs of strangulation. At first that looks bad on the coroner, but it is my understanding that in a strangulation, if the hyoid bone is not broken, the bruising may not show up for a couple of days so there is little sign. Same goes for smothering. I have known of other cases where the bruising didn't show up until the body reached the funeral home. They finally did admit she was asphixiated. Asphixiated could be either strangled or smothered.

On Kelly, they have said very little about what the coroner said. But what I am reading there is that the coroner did find something. But police didn't agree with it. Police look at the evidence of the scene and the circumstances and the coroner goes solely on the body. Also they had been working with Kelly and knew her mood and how she was coping. So what the two are finding leaves questions- which is why the athorities are so closed mouthed on her case. At first we all thought that Kelly might be a suicide. But the tox that came back doesn't show that. However, a tox screen only tests for certain substances. Usually though an OD does leave some signs the coroner would pick up. Either an entry for an injection or undigested substance in the stomach contents.

So that leaves us at the questions- was it natural causes and police are just being extra cautious? Was it an OD, and police are being extra cautious? Or was it actually a homicide? Keep in mind when the prosecutor gives out info- his job is to protect any findings of the investigation until such time as they are ready to make an arrest. Sometimes they will 'cloud' the issue to protect the investigation. Thus his statement cautioning not to assume it is a homicide could just be a warning that they had not made an announcement yet that it was a homicide.

One thing to note however, is if it was a homicide- Kelly was helping the police with the website entries- so the answer as to who could very well be on the computer.

[TomijoBoltonSchmid]

911 call link
http://www.wishtv.com/Global/story.asp?s=7086963

[AlohaGal]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070922/LOCAL/70922004

Link to memorial article.

:confused:

[deb2007]

Hi, I'm new to this forum. I'm from Richmond, IN not far away from Centerville. I had found this forum awhile back when the girl in Kansas came up missing but never in a million years did I ever think that I would be posting about a case so close to home. I am always amazed at what valuable information that I find here.
I just wish that we could find out the truth of what happened to these girls. There has been a lot of speculation of why Centerville residents aren't throwing more of a fit to find out what the facts are in this case. I was told by one resident that it is because "it's Centerville, things like this just don't happen and some people are in denial" When I asked her if people thought it was a serial killer she told me "no, because it is only dealing with one family." I don't know, maybe the girls died of natural causes, but to me the whole investigation was never handled properly from day 1 (just my opinion) and I'm afraid that they will never know for sure what happened and it will go on as an unsolved case. People in Richmond care and want to know the truth.

[Taximom]

Welcome to new Ws'ers!

deb2007, you're first post is a winner. It's nice to know that we (on the outside) aren't the only ones wondering what the heck is going on in Centerville.

[Taximom]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070922/LOCAL/70922004

Link to memorial article.

:confused:

Thanks for that link. I wonder if James attended.

[deb2007]

Thank you Taximom for the welcome. Some of people in Richmond are wondering if there is a cover up because of the first investington not being handled properly. Hope that is not the case. Did they think that Centerville was such a small community that no one would care, and that they would believe whatever they were told? You are safe there is not a serial killer out there but yet they don't seem to want to come up with facts and when you think they come up with facts they change them. What is up with that?

[Bobbisangel]

It sounds like they really bungled the crime scene when Erin was murdered. It's pretty obvious who the guilty party is in her death. I can't see that anyone would have had a motive to murder Kelly but that same person especially if he was afraid of what she might tell LE and I'm sure that he knew that she was talking to them. I'm inclined to believe that Kelly might have read something on the computer when she helped LE get into their computer. She might have confronted him with it and he made the decision to get rid of her too.

I don't blame the girl's parents for not wanting to stay in their home. I couldn't stay there either knowing that both of my girls died there and at the hands of someone who was supposed to have loved their daughter and granddaughter. Just living the nightmare would be hard enough without living in the house where it all happened.

Does anyone know if LE have tracked James down yet? Kind of odd for him to just disappear isn't it? Especially when he has a little girl that he should want to be close to. I can only imagine why he has made himself scarce. Didn't he fight with Erin saying that he was going to take the baby? He doesn't seem to concerned about her now or the girl's parents.

[Truthful Lies]

I find it odd that the mother says in the 911 call, "Have a seat James, there’s not much we can do right now." I'm not basing the fishy-feeling on someone's reaction to certain events..but it's almost like she isn't surprised. Anyone else feel that?

[docwho3]

It sounds like they really bungled the crime scene when Erin was murdered. It's pretty obvious who the guilty party is in her death. I can't see that anyone would have had a motive to murder Kelly but that same person especially if he was afraid of what she might tell LE and I'm sure that he knew that she was talking to them. I'm inclined to believe that Kelly might have read something on the computer when she helped LE get into their computer. She might have confronted him with it and he made the decision to get rid of her too.

I don't blame the girl's parents for not wanting to stay in their home. I couldn't stay there either knowing that both of my girls died there and at the hands of someone who was supposed to have loved their daughter and granddaughter. Just living the nightmare would be hard enough without living in the house where it all happened.

Does anyone know if LE have tracked James down yet? Kind of odd for him to just disappear isn't it? Especially when he has a little girl that he should want to be close to. I can only imagine why he has made himself scarce. Didn't he fight with Erin saying that he was going to take the baby? He doesn't seem to concerned about her now or the girl's parents.

If she had said she would raise her sisters child and he did not want that happening . . . . . . she had to die.

If she confronted him over her sisters death. . . . . . she had to die.

Either or both reasons are possible motives.

I am not accusing anyone but I am stating possibilities.

[Indy Gal]

Welcome Deb, love your post and of course your siggy!!

[Wrinkles]

"Memory of sisters brings smile" -- People mourn loss of 'wonderful kids' (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070923/NEWS01/709230301)

Edited to add a few blurbs from the article:

>>
When they left, the men and women, young and old, dabbed at tears and hugged, still searching for answers in the haze of mystery that surrounds the teens' deaths.

Mostly, they mourned at the passing of two vibrant young women.

"They were both wonderful kids," said Kathleen Anderson, who lives in Richmond but teaches music at Centerville High School. "They were the kind of students you would want in your class."
<<

>>
Hundreds of people streamed through the funeral home for a three-hour memorial visitation Saturday. Some were happy to talk about the sisters. Others weren't.
<<

I wish the above had been explained. Was this pain and confusion? Was this anger that there are no explanations? Who were not happy to talk and why... Were they told not to talk?

>>
The event was closed to the media and those who spoke of the two sisters did so at a distance from the funeral home.

A Centerville police officer stood guard on the porch of the funeral home and town squad cars prowled the alley behind.
<<

>>
"They were very sweet," Soper said. "We had a lot of friends in common and so I saw them a lot. They were fun to be with and I never ever heard anything negative about them."
<<

[SewingDeb]

Welcome Deb!

[Wrinkles]

Questions, questions, questions... Anyone have any answers?

1. Media was not invited to the memorial (understandably), but they were at a distance. Some people stopped and talked to them. Did anyone notice any TV cameras or trucks? If so, which stations? Did anyone notice any particular reporters from which Newspapers?

2. News coverage? Unfortunately my broadband is down, so I'm slogging with dialup. Has anyone surfed the local papers or media, how about Ohio/Gahanna papers media? Any news?

a. Erin was living in Gahanna prior to her death, or so it seems (from her words in MySpace.) WAS there an announcement in the Gahanna or surrounding papers mentioning Erin and Kelly's memorial service?

b. Does anyone know if James and/or any of his family members were at the memorial service? Has any media reported which family members were there?

3. Does anyone suspect that there were plain clothed officers within or outside the service, and amidst the people meandering around?

4. Has anyone, at anytime, found ANYTHING that would intimate a message from James grieving this situation?

5. Has anyone been able to get those deleted MySpace messages? I'm just not sure how that would be possible except off of an actual machine holding them.

Any thoughts anyone?

W

[calidreamin]

Welcome Deb! Hi there ladies it is good to see you today. That service must have been so sad, I wonder how the parents held up?

[calidreamin]

Questions, questions, questions... Anyone have any answers?

1. Media was not invited to the memorial (understandably), but they were at a distance. Some people stopped and talked to them. Did anyone notice any TV cameras or trucks? If so, which stations? Did anyone notice any particular reporters from which Newspapers?

2. News coverage? Unfortunately my broadband is down, so I'm slogging with dialup. Has anyone surfed the local papers or media, how about Ohio/Gahanna papers media? Any news?

a. Erin was living in Gahanna prior to her death, or so it seems (from her words in MySpace.) WAS there an announcement in the Gahanna or surrounding papers mentioning Erin and Kelly's memorial service?

b. Does anyone know if James and/or any of his family members were at the memorial service? Has any media reported which family members were there?

3. Does anyone suspect that there were plain clothed officers within or outside the service, and amidst the people meandering around?

4. Has anyone, at anytime, found ANYTHING that would intimate a message from James grieving this situation?

5. Has anyone been able to get those deleted MySpace messages? I'm just not sure how that would be possible except off of an actual machine holding them.

Any thoughts anyone?

W
I will try and search some of this stuff out for you this afternonn. I will let you know what I come up with wrinkles.

[Indy Gal]

W~
Someone wrote me a pm and said they did a cashe? of their pages and no messages were found. So far I have not found one comment left from james to anyone. I have found messages of girls they went to school with who have said they are scared, but doesnt mention James.

[dellemma]

Here is James' friend Heather's myspace page when google cached it. The picture James had on his myspace page at that time was a picture of him and I believe Alexis.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HIvghg6Qpl8J:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friend id%3D167180620+myspace.com/getemhornet&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Here's his friend's Jorkerp's cached myspace page.


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:XnbeI4Mi7lAJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friend id%3D219630445+jorkerp&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Unfortunately there weren't any comments on either cached myspace pages from James. I believe from the comments made on James' myspace page that he did indeed write comments to Jorkerp but I believe google cached that page before he left the comments.

[Indy Gal]

Here is James' friend Heather's myspace page when google cached it. The picture James had on his myspace page at that time was a picture of him and I believe Alexis.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HIvghg6Qpl8J:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friend id%3D167180620+myspace.com/getemhornet&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us


Here's his friend's Jorkerp's cached myspace page.


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:XnbeI4Mi7lAJ:profile.myspace.com/index.cfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser.viewprofile%26friend id%3D219630445+jorkerp&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Unfortunately there weren't any comments on either cached myspace pages from James. I believe from the comments made on James' myspace page that he did indeed write comments to Jorkerp but I believe google cached that page before he left the comments.
Thank you for posting that Dell!!!!

[dellemma]

You're welcome IndyGal. I was going to post it a few days ago and completely forgot until I saw your post above! I just didn't want to post the picture of the baby directly here...but everyone can see it if they click on the first link.

[CvilleCit]

I did go to the mem. service, but didn't stay long. It was very hard being there. It just felt like it shouldn't be happening. There was a man from the newspaper talking to people getting in and out of their cars off of the funeral home parking. I didn't want to say anything at all, but he was kinda umm... invasive. I didn't see any news crews just that man running after people coming and going. There WAS a police man on the pourch in full uniform. I also think that it was understood that the family didn't want anyone to say anything, and I understand that, however, I did say something, but that was because I kinda felt required by that man from the paper.

[centervilleparent]

new user doing a test to make sure this is correct






Questions, questions, questions... Anyone have any answers?

1. Media was not invited to the memorial (understandably), but they were at a distance. Some people stopped and talked to them. Did anyone notice any TV cameras or trucks? If so, which stations? Did anyone notice any particular reporters from which Newspapers?

2. News coverage? Unfortunately my broadband is down, so I'm slogging with dialup. Has anyone surfed the local papers or media, how about Ohio/Gahanna papers media? Any news?

a. Erin was living in Gahanna prior to her death, or so it seems (from her words in MySpace.) WAS there an announcement in the Gahanna or surrounding papers mentioning Erin and Kelly's memorial service?

b. Does anyone know if James and/or any of his family members were at the memorial service? Has any media reported which family members were there?

3. Does anyone suspect that there were plain clothed officers within or outside the service, and amidst the people meandering around?

4. Has anyone, at anytime, found ANYTHING that would intimate a message from James grieving this situation?

5. Has anyone been able to get those deleted MySpace messages? I'm just not sure how that would be possible except off of an actual machine holding them.

Any thoughts anyone?

W

[Anita Richman]

I did go to the mem. service, but didn't stay long. It was very hard being there. It just felt like it shouldn't be happening. There was a man from the newspaper talking to people getting in and out of their cars off of the funeral home parking. I didn't want to say anything at all, but he was kinda umm... invasive. I didn't see any news crews just that man running after people coming and going. There WAS a police man on the pourch in full uniform. I also think that it was understood that the family didn't want anyone to say anything, and I understand that, however, I did say something, but that was because I kinda felt required by that man from the paper.
I haven't commented here (except for once) but I have read your posts. You are obviously a kind, caring and respectful person. I am sure that anything you said was appropriate and won't be a concern for the family.

Please let me extend my condolences at the lost of your classmates. I know how shocking and overwhelming this must be for you. I am so glad you are here posting with us; you are in wonderful company!

[Wrinkles]

Dear centervilleparent,

Your message was a quote of another message, as you can see.

If that was your test, it worked. If you tried to add other text and you didn't see it... Just do a message and skip the quote, you can refer to the other message by its number, if need be.

We look forward to hearing your input.

W

[centervilleparent]

There was a Channel 6 news van across the street from the Funeral Home. He was videotaping people going in an out. Hope this helps some.

I think the community is still in a state of shock. Many of us did not know of Erin's death until Kelly was found. None of us understood the reason for the missing obit. We were surprised to read of the memorial service
for both girls.

Our family knew of the Stanley girls but not much more. Our community is very much a bedroom community and majority of professionals work in outside larger communities...including Indy. Centerville is approx. an hour east of Indy. Many in the community commute to Indy daily.

The boyfriend/James is not in the community from what we understand.
Kudo's to all of you for your concern and prayers.

[Wrinkles]

Hello CvilleCit,

I can't imagine how hard it was for you to go to that service.

You wrote:
>>It just felt like it shouldn't be happening.<<

It shouldn't have been... I so understand your feelings. I think that is what makes this so rough for all of us experiencing this situation from near or afar. You shouldn't have lost young friends like this, none of us should be seeing two parents lose their daughters like this, and the whole mystery surrounding things doesn't make anything easier.

You wrote:
>>I didn't want to say anything at all, but he was kinda umm... invasive.<<

Did this man present appropriate ID? Do you really mean "invasive" or do you mean that he was very convincing in wanting information.

You wrote:
>>I didn't want to say anything at all...<<

Ugh... You are young. IF you were my daughter, I would say, "IF you don't want to say anything at all then DO NOT! Not to a newspaper man, not to us, not to anyone. IF LE pursues you for answers, consider discussing with your parents, asking for your rights to be read to you, etc. IF you think you 'might' want to say something to someone at a later point in time (after thinking the matter through), get the person's business card and let them know that you will contact them later, if you wish and after you think about things first. DO NOT contact that person unless and until you are sure they are who they have represented themselves to be AND unless you feel very comfortable in doing so, and be sure to use the wise counsel of your parents and others who you consider to have your best interest in mind."

Although we would very much like information, we don't want anyone endangered OR to compromise themselves.

W

[Indy Gal]

There was a Channel 6 news van across the street from the Funeral Home. He was videotaping people going in an out. Hope this helps some.

I think the community is still in a state of shock. Many of us did not know of Erin's death until Kelly was found. None of us understood the reason for the missing obit. We were surprised to read of the memorial service
for both girls.

Our family knew of the Stanley girls but not much more. Our community is very much a bedroom community and majority of professionals work in outside larger communities...including Indy. Centerville is approx. an hour east of Indy. Many in the community commute to Indy daily.

The boyfriend/James is not in the community from what we understand.
Kudo's to all of you for your concern and prayers.
WELCOME!! We are so happy to have all the locals we can have. CC has been so helpful. We are here to help in ANY way we can, dont be afraid to ask. I live in Indy and have no problem helping in any way.

[centervilleparent]

Thanks. I'll let all of you know if I hear or see anything further.

[CvilleCit]

Welcome bulldog parent!

[Wrinkles]

Dear CentervilleParent,

Thanks for writing and welcome to WS!!

>>There was a Channel 6 news van across the street from the Funeral Home. He was videotaping people going in an out. Hope this helps some.<<

Do you know if this is WHOIS or what the letters or website of this Channel 6 station are (I'm in CA so don't quickly recognize Channel 6)?

>>I think the community is still in a state of shock. Many of us did not know of Erin's death until Kelly was found. None of us understood the reason for the missing obit. We were surprised to read of the memorial service
for both girls.<<

All understandable shock. Do you all get a local "Centerville" newspaper, or is the newspaper you read generated in a larger city, thus maybe not so "personal" to Centerville?

>>Centerville is approx. an hour east of Indy. Many in the community commute to Indy daily.<<

Ugh...the commute :( We are "now" a bedroom community to a huge city and can relate. At one time (40 years ago), we were just a small town, near other small towns, but the bedroom community situation has melted everyone together in huge proportions (now at about 1/2 mil in this valley.) When our town/s was/were small, that which kept us all communicating were the children in schools -- there weren't many, so most kids knew of most kids in some fashion. Also, you couldn't help but meet people in the relatively few local businesses. Now we are HUGE malls and superstores, quite a different situation.

Do Centerville people hang out at community events?

Does Centerville have its own police department? Or do they work as a portion of a county Sheriff?

>>The boyfriend/James is not in the community from what we understand.<<

Hmmm.. Thanks for this information. Is your understanding based on those who know James or the Stanley's?

Thanks for giving us a "feel" for Centerville. I might have thought that it was a tight knit rural community with most everyone knowing everyone. This is not the case?

>>Kudo's to all of you for your concern and prayers.<<

We hurt with those parents. We hurt with those in your town. Who needs their peacefulness rocked by something so strange and upsetting? Who needs two of their local children snatched by that which remains far too mysterious and without explanation.

Again, thanks for checking in and sharing with us here. We appreciate your insight.

W

[Samiya]

WebSleuth's gets a mention.....and a link.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070921/NEWS01/70921001

Sami

[Samiya]

Another Memorial News report. The Indy Channel.

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14181230/detail.html

Of particular interest to me...

quote:

The same day, police filed the affidavit seeking a search warrant for the home. The document states that Kelly had been aiding investigators with their probe into her sister's death, and had helped them gain access "to various computer sites."The document, released Sept. 14, adds vaguely that the sisters appear to have died "by similar action on the part of another party." It says officers were seeking DNA, a computer the sisters shared and other items that could shed light on "the perpetrator of these offenses."And, it uses the word "homicide" in referring to each death.

unquote.

Kelly's Toxicology report was clear. No drugs, Alcohol, nothing.

And;

Donations were collected Saturday for a benefit fund for Alexis, the 4-month-old daughter of Erin.

Can anyone find out the details of the benefit fund for Alexis?

Sami

[Samiya]

And a welcome to 'centervilleparent' too :)

We very much appreciate any input into what is happening around the area.

Sami

Now, Mr Shipman.....what the heck is going on??

[SeriouslySearching]

I am sorry for the family and the horrible loss they are suffering. It is a parent's worst nightmare to bury your children and within days of each other...I can't imagine the pain and suffering. I pray for this family and especially the baby.

While I am not trying to add to this family's suffering, I have to ask some questions. The observations I have made along the way about this case truly bother me. I understand no one else here seems to be asking them and I would like to find answers.

Am I the only one who questions if one of the parents could have done this because of being in the home with both girls? Perhaps, the sister came up with evidence against the parent instead of some outside source such as the boyfriend or other.

They have not mentioned anything about a break-in or forced entry into the home...so again, this leads me to believe it was someone inside the home who belonged there.

Would they have allowed men/boys to simply walk in and out of their home at all hours of the day or night after the possible homicide of one of their daughters? I would assume one parent would be taking extra precautions with their own safety and the safety of the surviving sister and child left in their care. So it doesn't make sense this came from an outsider.

Can someone shed light on how another person would have supposedly gotten into the house...not once...but twice without being noticed or heard by the parents?

Someone said the parents worked at night? Where did they work and why would they feel like it was acceptable to leave their other daughter home alone when they just lost one to a homicide in that house? Personally, I would NOT have allowed it until we knew more about what happened and the person responsible was caught. (Unless the person lived in the home and knew no one else would be "breaking in".)


We do have to look at every possible scenario in this case tho. I realize this isn't a popular theory with people who know this family and I am sorry.

[gooniequeen]

hi all,

I've been traveling for a few days and out of the loop.

one questions and one observation (sorry if they were already mentioned I couldnt find them)

1. Did James or any of his family make an appearance at the funerals?
2. Has anyone noticed James hasn't signed on to MySpace since 9/17...

I wonder if James offed himeself and is dead somewhere?

Where is James?

Also to those who have a theory of James killing Erin because she threatened to takes Alexis away, I don't know, he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that would want that sort of responsibiliites.

I know he has a 4 year old daugther with another woman...has anyone been able to figure out who/where she is? Who is this "Amba" chick on his MySpace friend who is his #2...they seem kind of chummy back in May.

[Taximom]

A heartfelt welcome to centervilleparent. This has bothered me since I read it on someone's myspace, and now you say the same thing:

Many of us did not know of Erin's death until Kelly was found. None of us understood the reason for the missing obit.

That is SO bizarre to me, and I can't think of an explanation for keeping a death like that out of the papers, especially of one so young.

In general, centervilleparent, what is your opinion of law enforcement there? Most people in smaller cities know if they have a good police force, or one that bumbles along. Also, do you know when the last time a murder took place there? Was it solved timely?

I hope you don't mind my questions. I realize I don't have the power to do anything here but pray about the situation....

I'd also like to know more about the fund for Alexis, if anyone else finds anything on that! Thanks. :blowkiss:

[gooniequeen]

FINALLY!

Great Van Sustren is on the case. i just saw a preview for her show tomorrow night regarding Erin and Kelly.

Better Greta than Nancy Grace I suppose.

[gooniequeen]

oh also another observation...."Amba" James #2 friend also has not signed on to MySpace since 9/17 (same day as James last log on) hmmmmmm very very interesting....

[Taximom]

FINALLY!

Great Van Sustren is on the case. i just saw a preview for her show tomorrow night regarding Erin and Kelly.

Better Greta than Nancy Grace I suppose.

Hi gooniequeen! Yay! This is good news to me. Greta seems to usually ask all the right questions and not get stuck on something stupid.

I hope she can find the elusive "James".

[Samiya]

oh also another observation...."Amba" James #2 friend also has not signed on to MySpace since 9/17 (same day as James last log on) hmmmmmm very very interesting....

Wonder if "Amba" is a POI?

Does "Amba" say where she is from on her MS page?

Sami

[Taximom]

Hi Sami! :blowkiss:

I think Amba must be from where James is - Gahanna or Columbus. She comments something to the effect of missing him since he wasn't at work. Just a guess on my part. I can't find her now..... :(

[Samiya]

Hi Sami! :blowkiss:

I think Amba must be from where James is - Gahanna or Columbus. She comments something to the effect of missing him since he wasn't at work. Just a guess on my part. I can't find her now..... :(

mmm, thinketh me smelleth a maximus rodentius.

Sami

[Taximom]

Here's her comment from Jame's myspace on Apr 26 2007:

just leaving sum love...so what u been up 2? I was so bummed cuz u had to work monday. oh well im over it.


I had it wrong, she was bummed cuz he had to work. Oops. Anyway, that's from the myspace page copies from WS comments by dellemma starting with #247 on the original thread #1: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184&page=7

[Samiya]

lol, that's ok. It was a while ago when she posted that. She might just have been a co-worker who got on well with him....I noticed a lot of people leave messages of "leavin some love", "sendin the love" and "feelin the love" on MySpace. *giggles* Sometiems the MS crowd sound like a bunch of hippies from Austin Powers movies.

I did find a few friends of Kelly's while looking around MS. They are absolutely stunned, and one girl (I can't remember her site as I looked through so many) really just can't understand what's going on, and the messages are full of sadness :(

Sounds like both Erin and Kelly were loved heaps by their friends.

I hope this is worked out soon.

Sami

[deb2007]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/NEWS01/709240301
Here is a little background on Centerville.
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/NEWS01/709240303

[calidreamin]

Thank you for posting those and welcome deb! I wish I new where James was, like has he disappeared or is he still around? I hope Greta can tell us tonight.

[SuziQ]

My crosspost at Crimeblog:

SuziQ // Sep 24, 2007 at 8:26 am
Well Emerson, this story just gets stranger. First it’s homicide, then it’s not homicide, now it’s homicide again. Below is a quote and a link:

A pathologist ruled Erin’s death a homicide, but hasn’t said why publicly. Local reporters have quoted one trooper who responded to Kelly’s death as suggesting that Erin was strangled.
Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman said Friday the trooper’s statement “is accurate” but did not elaborate.

http://tinyurl.com/ytuce8 (http://tinyurl.com/ytuce8)

[SuziQ]

By the comments so far, it doesn't appear that James or his family were at the memorial? If true, that's the biggest red flag I have seen yet. Why wouldn't you be at the memorial for your GF and the mother of your baby and grandaughter?

[Taximom]

I saw a comment at the Topix forum that said the baby is being kept away from James. If that's the case, I don't imagine James is anywhere near Erin's family.

Of course, one never knows who is writing those comments, so take it as you want. I'm thinking it's probably true though.

[calidreamin]

I saw a comment at the Topix forum that said the baby is being kept away from James. If that's the case, I don't imagine James is anywhere near Erin's family.

Of course, one never knows who is writing those comments, so take it as you want. I'm thinking it's probably true though.
Hi taximom:blowkiss: ! It would make sense that if the parents believe James murder them they would keep the baby away from him. Those poor parents.

[SeriouslySearching]

I wouldn't be so quick as to judge this "James" person and his parents for not attending the memorial. They could have been "asked" not to come so as not to upset the girls' parents or maybe they decided on their own it wasn't the right time to step in. I don't see this as a red flag.

[CvilleCit]

W,
-We do not have a local newspaper. We used to when I was in elem. school, but it's no longer running.
So, the local paper that even cirulates in parts of Ohio is the Pal-Item. It's based out of Richmond.
-The station is Rtv6 out of Indy.
-We get a lot of our news from Indy and Dayton.
-We're about an hour and something away from Indy and about 45 mins away from Dayton, OH.

I will probably post a little more, but I have to get to class.

[CvilleCit]

Also, there have been questions around page 11 or something about the parents. I personally don't believe that they did it. Here are my reasons.
-They're not going to raise, spoil, and give their everything to two girls for 18-19 yrs and then off them. That doesn't make any sense. Even if they didn't "plan" on loving them..... they still did. They were crazy about those girls.
-Why would you change your locks and stuff right after one daughter dies? Do you really think it's going to hit you again? Would you think that anything that bad could really happen again especially days later? AND since police had been coming in and out of the house off and on throughout the days following Erin's death wouldn't you just feel like they were cloes by?
-We do have something that all of the community gets involved in. It's called Archway Days. We have a town dance, and the adults sit and talk, and the high school/ junior high kids dance. That is the last week of Aug.
-I don't think the parents were working, because they said that they got to bed around mid-night, and they had a stressful day. (said in the 911 call)
-It's been 20 yrs since the last murder. There are two police officers that I know about. What about you CentervilleParent? That's not including anyone else that might be there, but two officers that are out and about. Who else works there. Ed and Lloyd (those are the two I know of.)

[SuziQ]

I wouldn't be so quick as to judge this "James" person and his parents for not attending the memorial. They could have been "asked" not to come so as not to upset the girls' parents or maybe they decided on their own it wasn't the right time to step in. I don't see this as a red flag.

Then you have to ask...Why were they asked not to come. James was welcome in the parents home previously. Why cut him off now unless they feel he's responsible somehow. And why would James and his family feel it wasn't the right time to step in?

And where is James?

[Taximom]

I remember reading on the Topix forum (I think) that a neighbor reported Kelly's window had been boarded up after she was found dead. Are any locals here aware of that as being true?

Thanks for the info, CvilleCit! Have a good day.

[CvilleCit]

I haven't driven by the house, so I can't tell yah. I have thought about taking flowers to the house and setting them in front of the door, but haven't because I don't know where the line is when it comes to respecting the family.
Plus, I wouldn't know which window is Kelly's so it would be pointless for me.
Thanks TM.

[SuziQ]

Also, there have been questions around page 11 or something about the parents. I personally don't believe that they did it. Here are my reasons.
-They're not going to raise, spoil, and give their everything to two girls for 18-19 yrs and then off them. That doesn't make any sense. Even if they didn't "plan" on loving them..... they still did. They were crazy about those girls.
-Why would you change your locks and stuff right after one daughter dies? Do you really think it's going to hit you again? Would you think that anything that bad could really happen again especially days later? AND since police had been coming in and out of the house off and on throughout the days following Erin's death wouldn't you just feel like they were cloes by?
-We do have something that all of the community gets involved in. It's called Archway Days. We have a town dance, and the adults sit and talk, and the high school/ junior high kids dance. That is the last week of Aug.
-I don't think the parents were working, because they said that they got to bed around mid-night, and they had a stressful day. (said in the 911 call)
-It's been 20 yrs since the last murder. There are two police officers that I know about. What about you CentervilleParent? That's not including anyone else that might be there, but two officers that are out and about. Who else works there. Ed and Lloyd (those are the two I know of.)

It is pretty bizzare to think someone would come back and kill another daughter. I don't think that happens too often. Which is what makes this case stand out to begin with. I personally would have changed the locks and installed a security system. I'm shocked that alot of people wouldn't do that. And alot don't. My own sis has had a problem with her BF's ex wife going into their house and doing weird stuff. And this nut is going on trial in Nov for coming after my sis with a pick-ax. They still have not changed the locks and haven't installed a security system.

[Taximom]

Thanks, CvilleCit.

SuziQ, maybe they didn't think Erin's death was murder at the time. I remember reading they found out she was strangled either the Thursday or Friday right before Kelly was killed. Which is why I think Kelly was killed, because now Erin's death wasn't "accidental" or "natural", and Kelly was helping LE out.

So if the parents think their daughter died of something natural, do you go about changing your locks? I probably wouldn't.

I wish I knew what had been so stressful about that day before Erin died....

[Wrinkles]

Greetings SeriouslySearching,

I don't know if you were able to read the first thread on this case. It has a lot of good information in it with a lot of links. It might assist you in updating on some of the few things we know. That first thread can be found >>>here<<< (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184)

You wrote:
>>Someone said the parents worked at night? Where did they work...<<

Hmmm... I've never heard that, who said the parents worked at night? Do you have a source for that?

The following is some information provided to us (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1686426&postcount=151) by someone who went to school with the girls, who knows some of their friends, who lives in Centerville:

>>Okay, I just had a long talk with someone close to the family. This person said that everything he/she knows makes her believe that it was the BF. Aslo, he/she said that the mother is emotional, but in tough situations reacts very calmly. Also found out that Kelly was not in the home that morning. She was at a friend's house. The four people in that case would be Mom, Dad, James (BF), and Alexis (her baby). Someone had asked what their parents done and I asked this question to my reliable source and found out that he worked for a company based out of Indy for heating and air, and she worked for a local Petro. (Don't know what she did it could have been anything from working in the resturant to accepting money for gas.)...<<

The above doesn't help us to know if the parents worked nights, but so far I don't think we have anything indicating that.

As for where the parents appear to have been when Erin was found struggling to breathe, Sami did an enlightening transcription of the 911 call which can be found >>>here<<< (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1689954&postcount=417)

The transcript notes:
>>Mother: We’ve been asleep (? unintelligible word) since midnight.<<

We don't know who the "we" is, but it appears to be the parents. Of course that is a presumption. According to the 911 call, Erin was found dying (by James) on a Saturday morning at 5AM. So, if it was the parents asleep since midnight, they wouldn't have been working that Friday after midnight.

You wrote:
>>and why would they feel like it was acceptable to leave their other daughter home alone when they just lost one to a homicide in that house? Personally, I would NOT have allowed it until we knew more about what happened and the person responsible was caught.<<

We are not sure that the parents had any information leading them to believe that Erin's death was a homicide until AFTER Kelly was found dead.

>>
Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,296171,00.html)

Police officers found the body of 18-year-old Kelly Stanley on Friday morning after being called to the home of her parents, state police Sgt. Noel Houze Jr. said. Whether the death of Stanley, who had been healthy, involved foul play was not immediately determined and an autopsy was planned for Saturday, he said.

Her 19-year-old sister, Erin Stanley, died Sept. 1. The Wayne County coroner's office ruled that death a homicide on Friday. No other details were released. Erin Stanley was mother of a young girl.
<<

The 911 call about Kelly, found dead, was evidently made around 8AM on Friday morning. Of course, we have information, true or not, that there was a glitch in the 911 recording equipment and that the 911 call did not get recorded.

According to a Crime Library story:
>>
On September 7, the top headline at Whiotv.com read, "Police: 2 Teens Found Dead In Same House." The article went on to say:

"Officers with the Centerville, Ind., police department rushed to a house in the 700 block of Elm Drive around 8 a.m. Friday morning ... Authorities said a 911 call came into dispatch on Friday morning, reporting an unresponsive teenager."
<<

So... There appears to be information that could lead us to believe that the parents had no indication of homicide on Erin until AFTER Kelly was found dead. Remember, Kelly was found dead on Friday in the morning. The above article says, "The Wayne County coroner's office ruled that death a homicide on Friday." My best guess, and I think a reasonable one, is that the coroner's office did not do that ruling prior to Kelly's death, but rather later on that Friday (the 7th).

Of course, it is possible that some LE official gave the Stanley parents a heads up that there might have been suspicious circumstances on Erin's death. In fact, their own guts might have had them thinking. We don't know, but is that really where most people go? Do we really start looking for a culprit in our midst? Were mom and dad together sleeping when called in to help per Erin? Would they really suspect James if it was he who alerted them to a problem with Erin, launching the 911 call? We don't know if James was sleeping with or near Erin. We also don't know "who" was abiding in the Stanley home after Erin's death, nor who had access to the house.

But back to what you wrote:
>>why would they feel like it was acceptable to leave their other daughter home alone when they just lost one to a homicide in that house?<<

We have no indication that the parents knew there was a homicide, guessed there was a homicide, felt there was a homicide, left the house even once after Erin's death, etc. and so on. We don't know whether these parents worked nights, we don't know if they continued to work at all in the days preceding Erin's death. We do have anecdotal indications that these girls were very much loved by their parents. Of course, the reality is that we don't know their history or much about them at all.

>>acceptable to leave their other daughter<<
I think of "acceptable," in this sense, in terms of minor children and our accepted duties to protect them. Kelly was 18. My guess is that her parents were protective, but accepted that she was an adult. Kelly had a work responsibility that she obviously decided to maintain. My guess is that the family were all working together in the best way they could. My further guess is that no one, not mom, dad, or Kelly, would have left the other unprotected, had they for a second thought that it could result in a loss of life.

Just my thoughts based on studying this case so far. At this point, I feel quite protective of these parents.

W

[CvilleCit]

W, did you get the answers to some of your questions in my post earlier this morning? I hope I helped. If you need anything else feel free to post another list. I'll try to answer them. I'm sure if I can't CentervilleParent can help me.

[Wrinkles]

Hiya Taximom, you sleuthing lil sleuthmeister (meistress)!

I've been researching this situation and writing for some 3 hours this AM. I hit the "boarded up window" thing in the process. After having posted what I wrote, I subsequently saw your return question about this. You and I are both tracking on something that continues to linger.

So... David Lohr's article on Sept. 11th.
Here is what I found: (http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/0907/1101_stanley_sisters2.html)

>>There was no mention in the paper or in the news that Erin's death was suspicious; however, shortly after her death, rumors began to circulate around the Internet suggesting Erin had been murdered. In addition, at least one neighbor reported that Erin's bedroom window had been boarded up, a claim authorities have yet to dispute. In fact, from the very start, investigators were tight-lipped and nary a word was said suggesting that a murder may have taken place.<<

BUT...
Someone noted as "centervillegal23" on Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:46 pm wrote: (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9913&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75&sid=2bcb21fcf04540ac85188c9d908cd3d5)

>>well i was at the family home and been around this family an talked to them and thru my kids and just dont think erin took her life, she had a young child who she adored and loved and now without a mother and watched erin grow up and she will be missed as well as sister kelly and i heard thru others near the family home that the window was boarded up after kelly died and why would that be<<

HOWEVER...our sleuthmeistress wrote this (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1672697&highlight=boarded#post1672697) at 09-10-2007, 06:55 PM in message # 93 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1672697&postcount=93) (prior to Lohr's article AND credit where credit is DUE!!!)

>>
One of the comments here peaked my interest:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic...sc&star t=105 (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=9913&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105)

I don't remember which poster said it, but they said they heard from neighbors that Kelly's window had been boarded up after her death.

Could be rumor though.
<<

SO...why the boarded up window? Had it been broken at some point? Was the family concerned that someone would try to break in? Hmmm...

W

[Taximom]

Hi wrinkles! :blowkiss:

That comment about the window is so odd, that I think it must be true. I can see rumors flying about other things, but why make up something about a window being boarded up?

SO many unknowns here. I sure hope LE knows a lot more than we do.

Where's Indy Gal, btw? She must be working.

[Wrinkles]

Hello CvilleCit and All,

CvlleCit, "Yes'm honey," I did GET those answers and appreciated them!! THANKS! I saw them only after I posted a message. You and I were thinking of a number of the same things (particularly in your message #69). As for the locks thing, my original question was based on the thought that the parents might have had a clue that Erin's death was a homicide, but I realize now that they may not have been given any real clue on this until after Kelly's death.

Delemma: Thanks for your recent posting. BTW, Heather was noted as saying something about her "great niece" in a MySpace page (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1690308&postcount=436), so Heather appears to be related to James, with Erin being her great niece. Thanks for digging for info! Kinda amazing that James MySpace comments are missing everywhere. Think some of these might be found on Kelly and Erin's computer at vary MySpace pages or others?

GoonieQueen: Thanks for the heads up on Greta.

Also your notice on James' MySpace of "Amba's" comment is very interesting, good eye! How did we all miss that? The comment from Amba can be seen in the 6th graphic here (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1686719&postcount=247).

Taximom pointed out:
>>Here's her comment from Jame's myspace on Apr 26 2007:

"just leaving sum love...so what u been up 2? I was so bummed cuz u had to work monday. oh well im over it."<<

Was "Amba" talking about Monday, April 23rd? Remembering, that was two weeks before Alexis' birth. Baby girl Alexis was born on April 9th, a Monday. (http://www.reidhosp.com/services/healthcare/babies/index.cgi/details?baby_id=5624)

That message from Amba didn't seem like a mere "friendship" kinda thing, but rather a "we were supposed to get together but it didn't happen because you had to work." Oh really now, and where was he working?

I wonder what Erin thought about those comments if she saw them? I wonder if James and Erin were together prior to the birth of Alexis, shortly after, a few months after, etc. We know that she notes that they were living in Gahanna on the 28th of August, assuming the "we" is James, Erin and Alexis.

Sami, Deb2007, and SuzieQ: Thanks for digging up those articles!

W

[yourfriendbuddy]

Some info from various sources deemed reliable...


Father worked at a local electric contractor only a couple miles away.

As for the info about the mother working at "Petro," that could mean a couple of places. First, there is a Petro truck stop just across the Ohio border from Richmond along I-70 and US40 (they cross at the border). Additionally, there are two gas stations in Richmond that are now called "Energy Plus 24" that used to be called "Petro Plus." It is common for them to still be called "petro."

As for the second 911 call, while no information regarding its content has been released, there where those that heard the scanner dispatch that morning. From those sources:

Dispatched:
--18 year old female, blue and on the bed, not breathing, unconscious
--5 month old baby in the residence with the victim
--Mother reportedly states that she will not touch her

[SeriouslySearching]

You really shouldn't read too much into the myspace comments. I have been on ms for years and trust me...the comments aren't really as they seem. Myspace can give you a glimpse into their world...but like her saying she was "bummed cuz u had to work" could simply mean that she didn't get to talk to the person online at the time. She might not even know them personally. Even if she does...it could be totally an innocent relationship. "leavin sum love" is a standard way of saying "Hi" on MS.

[SeriouslySearching]

If the father is an Electrician...there is a strong possibility he was in the home during the night with the girls. The mother could have been working a night shift at any one of those places. Hmmmm...

[Wrinkles]

Welcome to WS "YourFriendBuddy"

Thanks for hopping in and giving us the info!!!

W

[joyfulmorning]

Hello, I am a new to this forum. I am glad that this case is getting so much attention. I have been following it closely and hope that the person who is responsible is found soon. I am a former resident of Centerville, and still live very close by.

TaximomThat comment about the window is so odd, that I think it must be true. I can see rumors flying about other things, but why make up something about a window being boarded up?

SO many unknowns here. I sure hope LE knows a lot more than we do.



I can tell you that the boarded up window is true. I have family that lives a few blocks away, and it is on the way to thier house. It looks like a pretty basic ranch style house. The window on the side of the house is boarded up. I dont recall it being that way prior to Kelly's death.
The other tidbit that I can offer is that I know from a reliable source that the mother works as a casher on night shift at Petro in New Paris Ohio. I called Petro and found out that their night shift runs from 12 midnight to 8 am.

[Wrinkles]

Hello SeriouslySearching,

You wrote:
>>So the mother didn't try to perform CPR on her dying daughter?!<<

Hmmm, sounds like kind of a bold assumption.

Additionally, the transcript of the first 911 call notes that the mother didn't know how to do CPR.

Further, none of us know the full contents of the 911 call and/or whether the 911 operators told the mother to keep her hands off for some reason (crime scene?) We know that the 911 people were going to walk the mother and whoever was at the home during the first call through CPR WHEN there was no breathing, so a reasonable assumption would be that they would have done that in this case IF there was reason to believe that CPR was appropriate.

W

[joyfulmorning]

Your Friend Buddy,
It is Petro Truck Stop. The one with the Iron Skillet restaurant in it.

[SeriouslySearching]

Thanks for the additional info, Joyful! Welcome to Websleuths!

The fact the window is boarded up could mean many things...however, the most obvious could be it was broken into at some point. This doesn't mean the homicide was automatically an outside job tho. Crime scenes are manipulated all the time.

Both girls were found around the time the mother could have been coming in from work. Where was the father? Had he left for work by then? I would like to know both of their schedules.

[SeriouslySearching]

If it is correct that the mother stated she wouldn't touch her...isn't it a reasonable assumption that she did not perform CPR on her?

911 staffers are trained to respond with directions on how to perform CPR in such a situation until an EMT takes over...aren't they?! At least, it is my understanding they are...so the dispatcher's comment would indicate it wasn't being done.

[joyfulmorning]

According to my source the mom had been working the night Kelly died.

[Wrinkles]

Hello JoyfulMorning,

Welcome to WS and thanks for hopping in to help.

Can you tell me something? How long a drive would it be from Centerville to New Paris? Perhaps 12-15 minutes?

W

[SeriouslySearching]

Any information on the night Erin died?

[joyfulmorning]

If you hopped on I 70, which more than likely she did, instead of driving through town, it would probably take 10 to 15 minutes. It takes me 20 minutes, if I go through town.

As for the night Erin died, I am not sure. I will have to get back to you on that one. I will think of a creative way to ask, so I don't seem pushy. :)

[CvilleCit]

Most of my information is based on Erin's death. I don't know much about what happened when Kelly died. So, I'm sorry if some of my information seemed misleading.... but I am more comfortable talking to my friends about Erin than Kelly. I don't know why.... but I think the Kelly thing seems harder to talk about.....
Welcome JM and YFB!! It's good to hear from people on here. Especially when they maintain the warm enviornment of WS.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hugs~ CvilleCit! I do realize how horrible this must be for the girls' family and their friends. It is so hard to comprehend it could happen to one family in such a short period of time...if ever. How does one begin to heal from the shock of it all? I don't think there is any answer. This doesn't happen to people and to try to understand how it could is next to impossible, IMO (in my opinion).

We can only hope to find out who is responsible to bring justice to the sweet baby left behind and the family who must try to endure this pain forever. It breaks my heart to think about a lifetime of such torture for them.

[Wrinkles]

Hello SeriouslySearching,

Originally you wrote:
>>So the mother didn't try to perform CPR on her dying daughter?! <<

Her daughter may not have been dying, but dead and for any number of hours. We don't know the contents of the 911. It might be possible that rigor mortis had already set in and that the operator had discerned that or other things (pooling of blood) through questions asked in the conversation. It is possible that having known that there was another death in that house only several days earlier, that the 911 operator instructed her, "DO NOT TOUCH HER." The dispatch radio might have caught and repeated her compliance with this.

Her mom may have been prepared to take instructions for CPR but was told not to touch Kelly.

W

[SeriouslySearching]

Hello SeriouslySearching,

Originally you wrote:
>>So the mother didn't try to perform CPR on her dying daughter?! <<

Her daughter may not have been dying, but dead and for any number of hours. We don't know the contents of the 911. It might be possible that rigor mortis had already set in and that the operator had discerned that or other things (pooling of blood) through questions asked in the conversation. It is possible that having known that there was another death in that house only several days earlier, that the 911 operator instructed her, "DO NOT TOUCH HER." The dispatch radio might have caught and repeated her compliance with this.

Her mom may have been prepared to take instructions for CPR but was told not to touch Kelly.

W
I guess we will have to wait until they release the 911 calls in their entirety to know. It is possible she was instructed not to touch her, but I believe it would be very unusual to withold CPR in any case of an unconscious person, blue, and in such a situation. I don't recall ever hearing of anyone being told not to try.

[yourfriendbuddy]

Map with relevant markers, etc.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&om=1&msa=0&msid=104492984518691491752.00043ae401e1e365e5540&ll=39.842286,-84.884148&spn=0.190324,0.32135&z=12

[joyfulmorning]

I think that is a valid point Wrinkles. We do not know the time of death for Kelly. She might have died a number of hours before the mom found her. I am sure that the 911 operator could tell from the information that would have been given to her if CPR was warrented. We only have a one sided conversation from the police scanner. She could have relayed the info to the responding officers and then knew a murder had just taken place days before. They might have told the 911 operatoe to tell mom not to touch her. The 911 operatoe might have told mom and then responded back, "She's not going to touch her."

[Wrinkles]

Echoing the question of SeriouslySearching, in the event anyone can get an answer:

>>Where was the father? Had he left for work by then? I would like to know both of their schedules.<<

* Was the dad at home when Kelly was found?
* Did he go to work that day? i.e. Had he left for work already that night/morning. At what time might he have left?
* Did the coroner state how long they felt that Kelly had been dead when she was found (or WAS she dead when ER crews arrived.)
* Where was Kelly found, in bed, elsewhere, in clothing, pajamas, sign of a struggle?

So many questions... And where are the autopsy reports? (although if anything that has been let out by the coroner is indicative of what will be found in them, they aren't going to tell us much.)

W

PS. Could someone have been waiting for the father to go to work to get into the house and at Kelly? Kelly might have been the one to testify against someone.

[joyfulmorning]

That is great your friend buddy. The map really makes it visual. Good work.

[joyfulmorning]

I read in an article somewhere, sorry I cant remember which one, that Kelly's cell was found next to her hand. It was ringing and vibrating. It might not be anything, but I know that most people sleep with their cell phones next to their head. You wouldnt want it next to your hand, because you might loose it it your sleep. I am wondering if she tried to make a call before she died? Just a thought.

[SeriouslySearching]

The father doesn't have far to travel to work at all so depending on when he was scheduled (most electricians begin work at 8:00 am here) and the mother arrived home say about 8:20 am...there doesn't seem to be much of an opportunity to commit such a crime.

[SeriouslySearching]

I read in an article somewhere, sorry I cant remember which one, that Kelly's cell was found next to her hand. It was ringing and vibrating. It might not be anything, but I know that most people sleep with their cell phones next to their head. You wouldnt want it next to your hand, because you might loose it it your sleep. I am wondering if she tried to make a call before she died? Just a thought.
I thought the same thing. I would love to know who was calling and if they had gotten a call from her they were returning. The cell phone could be a good lead in this case.

[Wrinkles]

Okey dokey...

Trying to catch up on some of the new reading. Deb2007 posted a few links, thanks Deb!

A number of us had wondered why the parents car was noted to be searched (I believe this was in the search warrant?) The following article seems to help us with that question and give us a bit more info.

>>A 'quiet little town'
Police suspect evidence may be in car that Kelly Stanley drove home the night before her death (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/NEWS01/709240301)

Kelly helped police

According to the affidavit, Kelly had been assisting police in the investigation of her sister's death, "which included access to various computer sites," according to the affidavit.

Police were interested in searching for bedding, clothes, stuffed animals and other items close to Kelly's body "which contain DNA and other trace evidence," the document said.

The affidavit also mentions that police were interested in a computer used by the sisters and other "memory devices." It also mentions a cell phone belonging to Kelly found near her hand in the bedroom which was ringing and beeping.

Kelly returned home from work the night before she died in the Lumina and police suspect there may be evidence in the car relating to the identity of whoever committed the crime.
<<

also:
>>
Kelly had spent the night at a friend's home when her sister died and was called home by her parents, Tompkins said.

Kelly was upset and wanted to find out what happened, but didn't act like she was afraid for her own safety, she said.
<<

W

[joyfulmorning]

There seems to be a small window of opportunity here with Kelly's death.
Possibilities:
1. Kelly died before dad went to work and Dad didn't check on her before he left. She was a young woman, so I kind of get that.
2. Kelly died between the time dad left for work and mom got home. Which isn't a very long time frame, and maybe they still could have done CPR. I think that if there was any chance, CPR would have been done, so I am thinking that it must have happened before dad left. This isn't a large house. Maybe 3 bedrooms, all one floor. Hard to believe that dad was able to sleep so soundly 6 days after the death of his first daughter that he didn't hear the second one in distress. He was probably up in the house at least an hour or so before he went to work. This gets so confusing ....

[SeriouslySearching]

So Erin was found around 5:00 am by the boyfriend (EMTs arrived 5:15 am)...but I didn't see when the 911 call was made for Kelly. Anyone know the time of that?

Also, if the mother was working at the time...did the BF wait until the mom arrived home and called 911? Why didn't the father call? He seems to be missing in so many parts of these stories which I find odd.

I would think a father would be checking on his daughter and his grandaughter before leaving for work if there was no one else in the home...especially in light of what had happened just days before. It doesn't make sense.

[Truthful Lies]

... While I am not trying to add to this family's suffering, I have to ask some questions. The observations I have made along the way about this case truly bother me. I understand no one else here seems to be asking them and I would like to find answers.
... We do have to look at every possible scenario in this case tho. I realize this isn't a popular theory with people who know this family and I am sorry.

SeriouslySearching,

I posted something a couple of pages back that resembles your hunch. I found it odd that the mother says to the father in the 911 call, "Sit down James, there's not much we can do now". To everyone: I am not judging the parents during a time of extreme emotional distress..just observing and questioning.

[joyfulmorning]

I can't find a exact time the call was made for Kelly, every article I have looked at says around 8:00am. The mom must not have been working the night of Erin's death because the call was made at 5am, she wouldn't have arrived home until after 8am. Does anyone know if BF was still staying at the home after Erin's death, or did he disappear after Kelly's death. I think that this would be important to know. I would think that the dad would have heard something unusual as he probably wasn't sleeping far away. I see your point, you think that he would have checked on Kelly and the baby before he left.

[CvilleCit]

Who all on here is from Richmond/Centerville?

[CvilleCit]

-The BF was not living with them after Erin's death.
-I think the reason we don't hear much about the father in the 911 tape is because he's in there with her. He's the one that would do CPR if their mother got instructions
-Kelly's 911 call was not recorded so we won't get to hear that.

[Wrinkles]

Hiya SS,

I don't know if you saw message #75 in this thread. It was written to you. It has a link to the 911 transcript in Erin's case. That can help answer some of your questions, I think. Message #75 also mentions links to references per the 911 call on Kelly, and well as mentioning why we will probably never get a tape on Kelly's 911 call.

W

[SeekingJustice]

Who all on here is from Richmond/Centerville?

Hi, CvilleCit - I have yet to post here on this thread, but I am from Richmond. Been following this alot and still not sure what to think of any of it, except sad, tragic and senseless.

[joyfulmorning]

Hi CC, I am from Richmond. I lived in Centerville for a couple of years, when I first got married.

[CvilleCit]

Hi, CvilleCit - I have yet to post here on this thread, but I am from Richmond. Been following this alot and still not sure what to think of any of it, except sad, tragic and senseless.


I agree. I'm also glad that there is a site like this that is open to any thoughts and remains very supportive. Welcome to WS SJ.

JM-
There are a lot of people on here that are unfamilure with this area, so if you guys would help me express the type of area this is that would be awesome.

[TGIRecovered]

Can anyone here find out where the baby slept after Erin's death? Such a young baby would surely need attention during the night or very early in the morning for feeding and changing. Who took care of these things when grandma was at work? It seems strange to me that if grandpa had to leave for work before grandma got home, he did not wake Kelly to let her know he was leaving and she should listen for the baby if the child was sleeping , or get up with the baby if she was awake.My husband worked nights and slept during the day when our girls were babies. If I had to leave while he was still sleeping I always woke him just long enough so he would know it was time for me to go and he needed to listen in case the baby woke up.Susan

[joyfulmorning]

Ok, so BF was not staying in the home at the time of Kelly's death. Thats makes 3 people in the house at that night..
- Kelly
- Dad
- Baby Alexis
Someone could have entered the home. When I lived in Centerville, I never locked my doors - ever. There was no need to. However, I suppose if someone had just been murdered in my family, I guess i would. Nothing has been mentioned if there was evidenced of a break in or anything. Centerville police patrol all night long. You would have thought that a neighbor, police or somebody would have seen somebody trying to enter the house. The house sits on a corner, you could plainly see somone trying to get in. There are no trees or anything.

[Wrinkles]

Musing...

Perhaps dad went to bed early in the evening and left very early, not wanting to wake or disturb Kelly or the baby (who appears to have been at the home when Kelly died, UNLESS the mom picked the baby up on the way home from work?) But...what might dad's work schedule have been... We have two reports on his work...

1st report: "Someone had asked what their parents done and I asked this question to my reliable source and found out that he worked for a company based out of Indy for heating and air"

2nd report: "Father worked at a local electric contractor only a couple miles away"

Did dad work "at" the electric contractor's or "for" the contractor? OR did he work at/for the company based out of Indy? Is it possible that the dad was some type of union heating/air man and got job assignments from a hall or a company that he worked for (i.e. the local place, and is the local place a branch of the Indy company?)

We don't know the dad's actual trade do we? IF he was shipped around to different locations like many of the men here, it really depends on where the work location was for the day to determine when he got up for work. Example, a number of men here get up at 3:30-4:30AM, head to the shop (which might be nearby or at 1 hour or more away), and then they go to the work location which could be another hour or two drive away. OR, they might just be able to head straight from home to a distant job location.

W

[deb2007]

Hi CC, I'm from Richmond.

[joyfulmorning]

CvilleCit, Centerville is kind of hard to explain unless you have lieved there, isn't it.
I moved to Richmond in 2006, but my husband and I lived in Centerville for two years before that, and I have been trying to move back ever since. LOL We thought that we wanted to be closer to town and all the stores. I got over that really quick. I long for peaceful Centerville :) That is the kind of town it is. I never locked my doors once. My windows were always open, letting in the fresh breeze. My car doors were always unlocked. It would not be uncommon for the neighborhood kids to pop in my house for a popsicle or a soda at anytime of the day. When my car got stuck in a snow bank and I had to get to work, a police officer stopped and helped me out. When my puppy ran away, a nearby officer even helped me look for him. Not because they had to, they were just nice that way. My husband and I would BBQ outdoors almost every nice day in the summer. It would not be uncommon for neighbors to come over with a dish and join us. We were like family and looked out for each other. You could walk to the little library, small restaurants, etc. I know it sounds a little like "Mayberry," but honestly that is almost like what it is like.

[CvilleCit]

So far locals include
-Seeking
-Joyful
-Deb
and myself.

[dellemma]

Delemma: Thanks for your recent posting. BTW, Heather was noted as saying something about her "great niece" in a MySpace page (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1690308&postcount=436), so Heather appears to be related to James, with Erin being her great niece. Thanks for digging for info! Kinda amazing that James MySpace comments are missing everywhere. Think some of these might be found on Kelly and Erin's computer at vary MySpace pages or others?
W


yeah, I saw Heather's comment but I have no way of knowing who exactly her great neice is -- is it Erin or is it Alexis? If the great neice is Alexis then Heather could be related to James directly. Also, isn't is said that James has a child with another woman? If that child is a daughter, then she could be the great neice. Anyway, don't worry about his missing myspace messages. Authorities can get all of them. People think deleting them from myspace really erases them but those messages are still abled to be viewed through server records.

[CvilleCit]

CvilleCit, Centerville is kind of hard to explain unless you have lieved there, isn't it.
I moved to Richmond in 2006, but my husband and I lived in Centerville for two years before that, and I have been trying to move back ever since. LOL We thought that we wanted to be closer to town and all the stores. I got over that really quick. I long for peaceful Centerville :) That is the kind of town it is. I never locked my doors once. My windows were always open, letting in the fresh breeze. My car doors were always unlocked. It would not be uncommon for the neighborhood kids to pop in my house for a popsicle or a soda at anytime of the day. When my car got stuck in a snow bank and I had to get to work, a police officer stopped and helped me out. When my puppy ran away, a nearby officer even helped me look for him. Not because they had to, they were just nice that way. My husband and I would BBQ outdoors almost every nice day in the summer. It would not be uncommon for neighbors to come over with a dish and join us. We were like family and looked out for each other. You could walk to the little library, small restaurants, etc. I know it sounds a little like "Mayberry," but honestly that is almost like what it is like.

You did a great job expressing Centerville. I tried to explain that we have a town dance (Archway Days) to give an idea of how close knit we are.
I moved away to college, and while away longed to come back here. My friends from school visit, and love how they can walk to Web's or the Shake Shoppe, and end up talking to someone you know. My boyfriend from another town went to the Shake Shoppe with me, and I knew 99% of the people in there. My friends are also in love with Ernie's (the local Superette-market) I also explained the the last thread that the police are ALWAYS driving around. I see Ed or Lloyd like every 15-30 mins.

[CvilleCit]

He has a 4 yr old daughter

[dellemma]

SeriouslySearching,

I posted something a couple of pages back that resembles your hunch. I found it odd that the mother says to the father in the 911 call, "Sit down James, there's not much we can do now". To everyone: I am not judging the parents during a time of extreme emotional distress..just observing and questioning.

I can't tell by your post if you think that James is Erin's father...I just wanted to make sure you knew James was Erin's boyfriend (and her daughter Alexis' father) not her father.

[dellemma]

He has a 4 yr old daughter

Thanks CvilleCit!

So the great neice in the pics Heather mentions could be his 4 year old daughter, Alexis or Erin.

[CvilleCit]

Where's Indy at? She hasn't posted in a while and it seems weird not to hear from her.

[mysteriew]

So it is the kind of place that not being used to locking doors, even if they were aware of what happened to Erin and began locking doors- they may have forgotten to lock a window because of not being in the habit?
Though I do have to say that the possibility of a window being boarded up makes me think the home was broken into.
Also, I do have to say that no matter how short the timeline, no one is as familiar with the household routines as someone who had lived in the home or had spent a lot of time there. So someone knew what time to expect Dad to leave, and what time to expect Mom to come home and how much time they had.
One thing that does puzzle me is that Kelly was young and presumably strong. You would expect some struggle from her. Yet the phone was laying beside her, not knocked off the bed. Caught still asleep and unawares? Or did hear the glass breaking and was trying to call 911?

[joyfulmorning]

CvilleCit,
I used to love walking down to the Shake Shoppe, then to the library, then to pay the electric bill. Everything is right there together.Especially at night, I would notice the police driving by really often. With Centerville being so close knit, I can't understand how Erin's death didn't get out until Kelly died. People talk, and knowone seemed to know? I don't understand it.

[CvilleCit]

Yeah, I don't understand it either. My myspace became flooded with messages expressing sorrow and pain about the loss of the Stanley sisters on the 8th. I didn't understand what was wrong and what had happened until I went to Pal-Item.com

[joyfulmorning]

mysteriew,
Exactly! It makes since that they would lock the doors, but probably didn't think about the window. The window is kind of high up, I am not sure how the perp would have climbed in, but it could be done. If it happed before dad left, he would have probably heard it or heard Kelly call for help. Neighbors would have been up that early in the morning too, getting kids ready for school and going to work themselves.

[Wrinkles]

Time frame thoughts...

Maybe dad went to sleep early in the evening. Maybe mom left for work at 11:40PM. Did mom check on Kelly and the baby before she left for work? Were the two in one room?

At what time did Kelly get home that Thursday evening the 6th? Did she work till closing? What time does the Dairy Queen close on a Thursday night, and/or what time did she leave work to go home (did she go straight home)?

Kelly worked the night before she died: (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/NEWS01/709240301)
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Kelly returned home from work the night before she died in the Lumina and police suspect there may be evidence in the car relating to the identity of whoever committed the crime.

For the last year, Kelly had worked at the Dairy Queen on Richmond's westside. "It was her first job and she was nervous," said Katie Tompkins, one of the restaurant's managers.

Kelly worked nights and the two became good friends. "We'd be singing, dancing, laughing and giggling," said Tompkins. "I mean it was a great time with her."
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So...at this point, unless I have missed something, we don't know whether one of the parents were the last to see Kelly alive (i.e. either of them checked on her Thursday/Friday) OR if someone from the restaurant was.

We know Kelly got home from work, we don't know at what time (Thursday night, Friday early AM?) We don't know if someone was hiding out in the home or garage waiting for a chance to get at Kelly. We don't know if dad left early or later. We know that the mom was there at the time of the 911 call Friday morning, all I have read so far was "around 8AM." (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14069921/detail.html)

Time frame? I don't think I can make it the small window that some have so far.

Wrinkles

[CvilleCit]

Thinking of someone climbing through the window makes me think of when my cousin used to come to my house after school, and we accidently locked him out, and so he climbed through the bathroom window. When my mom and I got home there were 3 cop cars surrounding our house and officers at both doors. We were sooo scared... cops were never seen doing more than pulling someone over. When we talked to the cops they said that the neighbor saw feet going through the window. The neighbor accross the street came over and talked to the police explaining that she's sure it was a relative. My cousin scared to death that the police were after him for some reason or another was sitting in the chair panicing. When we got home the police stayed to make sure that it WAS my cousin, and then left.
It was funny after the fact, and great to know that the neighbors were keeping a close eye on the house.
Knowing all the neighbors helped when explaining that we locked him out, and made for a good laugh.

[Taximom]

Welcome to all locals! I appreciate you sharing your insights about this tragedy. :blowkiss:

I was thinking another reason for a boarded up window (if it's Kelly's) might be that they may not have locked the door to their home, but Kelly might have locked her bedroom door