Police Look For Girl, Man In Sex Tape

[ceeaura]

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14182672/detail.html

Police Look For Girl, Man In Sex Tape

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NYE COUNTY, Nev. -- After receiving a graphic tape of a young girl being assaulted by an adult male, Nye County police need help identifying both the victim and the man.


They show still pictures of the victim and the perp in a video at the link above.Everyone take a look and see if you know who the little girl is.

These sick pedos really need to be taken out :furious:

[SeriouslySearching]

OMG! That is awful! I can't believe that jerk kept the tape (if he did find it in the desert) for five months and showed it around! He deserves to be charged to the hilt like they are doing. If he had only done the right thing and turned it in...they could have gotten possible evidence from it AND perhaps saved this child from another five months of hell! GRRRR!!

They need to find this poor girl and the POS who did this to her. The DP is too kind for that animal.

[Taximom]

:mad: What an idiot that Tuck guy is. How could he show that to other people??? He deserves to be in jail as much as the guy IN the film.

Those are really good pictures, nice and clear. I hope that the guy is found and that they have good clues from the background. I always worry that this is an adopted child that nobody knows about. (Like the girl from Russia that was abused here for so many years.)

:( Let's get this creep.

[SeriouslySearching]

It looked like there were better photos of the perp in the video than the one they are showing. Do they have those stills on another site...such as LE's? (Nothing on Nye's County sheriff's Office site at all!)

If that jerk did find this in the desert...I don't know if this would indicate this child is now missing. We need to check on that possibility tho.

[christine2448]

I am going to write the station and ask that they emails us the stills so we can proceed to get these faces out there on the net. I can't save pics from video link :(

[Taximom]

I am going to write the station and ask that they emails us the stills so we can proceed to get these faces out there on the net. I can't save pics from video link :(

Yes! The video was about 2" tall on my screen. She could be from anywhere in the world, and they need to get these pictures out. I can't tell from just her face (they had one of her from the waist up, but they pulled back on it so it was really small on my screen), but she looks too young for school. That poor baby.....

You'll get his too, right?

[ceeaura]

I am going to write the station and ask that they emails us the stills so we can proceed to get these faces out there on the net. I can't save pics from video link :(

Great idea christine!

SeriouslySearching

If that jerk did find this in the desert...I don't know if this would indicate this child is now missing. We need to check on that possibility tho.

Yikes that thought didn't even cross my mind!:doh: .

I hope the guy that "found" the tape does get life.He deserves it.Oh I hope they find this little girl and the perp.

[christine2448]

Yes! The video was about 2" tall on my screen. She could be from anywhere in the world, and they need to get these pictures out. I can't tell from just her face (they had one of her from the waist up, but they pulled back on it so it was really small on my screen), but she looks too young for school. That poor baby.....

You'll get his too, right?

Yes, I requested any stills they can send via email. Explained we can't save and distribute from the video. Hopefully they will reply and quickly.

Not even sure yet what to do once I get them, haven't thought it through yet, just jumping right now...for one post here, maybe get someone to set up myspace page, get everyone to sent out bulletins, ummm, find out if we have anyone local to where the tape was found and get fliers out?

Once we have the pic of the guy and girl we can start searching for them? I wonder if they are related, or she is a missing child?

Thinking out loud....this really gets me, get's me deep.

I CANNOT believe the guy had the tape for 5 months, 5 months, it may be too late.

[ceeaura]

Thank you for posting those links christine2448.

Looking at that little girl I am crying a river right now :( .Just looking at her eyes you can see her innocence is gone and she is so young.Oh my it is just heartbreaking!

I just want that molester to pay and pay greatly!

[christine2448]

I encourage anyone that has a webpage, myspace page, etc to please post these pictures, if you do, please post to us so that we can follow how many are working on getting these pics out there.

I will get my volunteers to get pics and story and bulletins up on my 2 pages and also send to Kelly J and anyone else I can think of.

Fox 5 has the link to this thread ;)

Also, the missing, could this little girl be abducted??

[christine2448]

I know the pics aren't good, but, do their chins/mouths look similar?

[ceeaura]

I know the pics aren't good, but, do their chins/mouths look similar?


I think they do!Great observation there!

[Taximom]

Thanks for getting those pictures, Christine.

Does her hair look like it's been lightened? Her eyes are so dark, that's why I wondered. HE looks like the devil himself. :mad: Surely someone will recognize him at least.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I noticed the similarities, too. I only hope it isn't her natural father, but that is always a strong possibility in such cases.

Her hair color looks natural to me. Her eyes have dark circles and lines under them which would be from the abuse/lack of sleep/trauma this child has endured. The way LE spoke of the tape...the child appeared to be "used" to the abuse and so it wasn't the first time which makes this even more horrific.

[STEADFAST]

I know the pics aren't good, but, do their chins/mouths look similar?

They do look similar. I think their eyes (or "eye" in his case) look similar, too.

[IdahoMom]

I was happy to hear on that news video that Geraldo is planning to do a story on this.http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif The word really needs to get out on this. This could have been filmed anywhere, not just Vegas.

[MissieMt]

Oh my goodness Christine!! I will get a bulletin out on myspace.

[SeriouslySearching]

Would you guess her age to be 3 or 4 years old? It is kind of difficult to pinpoint.

[mrs.kravitz]

They do look similar to me. That poor, poor baby. And the story of finding it in the desert just doesn't wash with me. Nope, Tuck knows more than he's telling. Prayers for this little girl.

[IdahoMom]

Would you guess her age to be 3 or 4 years old? It is kind of difficult to pinpoint.

I think so...the difficulty is in determing the age of the tape. Perhaps that will be done by experts analyzing background details in the tape- for instance, the TV make and model and the dates that TV were made available for sale.

[mrs.kravitz]

SS,
I'm thinking 3. She looks very young to me. And did the pervert SOB put her in a leopard nightie? I want to throw up.

[MissieMt]

PM me if you want a copy of the myspace bulletin I posted, if you are on Deanna's friends list there you should get it soon.

[SeriouslySearching]

SS,
I'm thinking 3. She looks very young to me. And did the pervert SOB put her in a leopard nightie? I want to throw up.
It looks like it is a little sundress with a flower on it in the video when they show the more full length photo of her.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think so...the difficulty is in determing the age of the tape. Perhaps that will be done by experts analyzing background details in the tape- for instance, the TV make and model and the dates that TV were made available for sale.
I was looking at the reflections on that tv screen for clues, too. I wonder if it was on or if what we are seeing is in the room?

[MissieMt]

Ihave checked NCMEC for NV,AZ, TX, NM and CA-no obvious matches so far. I thin she looks like the guy, might be her father and she may not be missing, but I will continue to look

[docwho3]

I would be interested in seeing pics of darren tuck also.

From the news report I get the idea that L.E. believes he knows more than he has told otherwise they would not be throwing the book at him with the charges filed. I think they very much doubt his story of finding the video by chance.

Knowing who he is and who he associated with might lead to where the video was obtained.

[SeriouslySearching]

His photos will be plastered all over the media very soon, Doc!

[MissieMt]

oh man. I haven't even been able to read the whole article. Everytime I try I just have to stop, I cant read all of it.

[SadieMae]

I know the pics aren't good, but, do their chins/mouths look similar?
That was the FIRST thing I noticed and thought they have to be related! The noses are shaped the same too. Dear God!...is this her father doing this to her? And where is her mother? I'll be praying everyday this little girl is found and her abuser brought to justice. This just sickens me SO much!!! Even Tuck who found the tape. Who in their right mind sees this and then want to SHOW it to others? He's a sick one too. I'd have to have the police pick the tape up...I'd be too angry, disgusted, horrified and hysterical to try to drive myself to turn it in.

[LMax]

She looks a little bit like Brittney Beers. http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/beers_brittney.html

[Mygirlsadie]

He looks like the guy who killed the little girl in Texas. I can't think of her name off the top of my head right now but it was recent and they found her outside hanging in the garage?

[MissieMt]

In the article (i seriously cant get through it) do they have a physical discription of the girl? i.e. eye color, etc.

[philamena]

OMG OMG OMG :furious::furious::furious::furious::mad:

Makes me cry, makes me mad. I swear I'd like to take a sawed off shotgun and take care of thatpos Tuck for keeping that tape for 5 months. AND HE SHOWED IT TO PEOPLE?@?!? ANYONE WHO LOOKED AT THAT TAPE IS A PEDOPHILE. Was Tuck arrested?

What I'd like to do to the ******* attacking the sweet child I actually can't write here because I'd certainly be kicked out.
Gawd this is not what I wanted to read first thing when I came here.

Dear God, please, please, please I beg you to watch over this little girl and let her be rescued now.
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[philamena]

christine,
I vote yes! Anything to help this precious child who's being abused in the worst way possible.

[christine2448]

christine,
I vote yes! Anything to help this precious child who's being abused in the worst way possible.


Calling now. Just to give them link so they can look through pics, STEADFAST good thinking!

[MissieMt]

Oh puuuuuhlease Christine! You are an angel-it was the absolutely least I could do considering how much you do!

[MissieMt]

It's on CNN now!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

That picture was taken more than 2 years ago, though. ALL the little blonde girls look like her to me. The 19th picture on the "Wild West Extravganza. . ." looks kind of like the guy to me. I'm not very good at this.
We don't know when the video was taken. It could be years ago.

I was going by the way her eyes curve down on the outside, her eyebrows, and the chin/jaw structure. Also..her hair looks to be simply "chopped" off and not done by a professional in the video...which looks to be the case in the Easter photo of the girls.

Anyone think that mustache on the man in the video looks very fake?

[MissieMt]

I don't think any stone should be left unturned, steadfast-good job on finding that page with all the photos! And I also think the girls in the photo bare a resemblance to the girl in the video, even if they aren't her they may be related in some way. I wonder just how much this Darren guy knows, and why he held onto the video for so long. What prompted him to now turn the video in? Maybe someone who he showed it to told him if he didn't go to LE they were going to.

[SeriouslySearching]

You know, Missie...that sounds like a likely scenario. Someone was going to turn him in for having it and he did it to try to save his own neck. If so...it sure backfired on him! Good!

[MissieMt]

Well, if that is the case i hope he speaks up about where he got it-but I've never seen a pedo with the conscious to fess up 100%

[tiredblondy]

He looks like the guy who killed the little girl in Texas. I can't think of her name off the top of my head right now but it was recent and they found her outside hanging in the garage?


That was exactly what I was thinking. Especially his picture.. but...I cannot find the link to those pictures now!!!

[MissieMt]

That was exactly what I was thinking. Especially his picture.. but...I cannot find the link to those pictures now!!!
http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070913_wz_hanna.ccb03634.html

[MissieMt]

someone seriously needs to call that in!!!!

[tiredblondy]

someone seriously needs to call that in!!!!


Thanks for the link...just did call and left a message with the Crimestoppers number at the bottom of the first article..If it is him and Hannah I hope this helps put the noose around his neck!!!

[christine2448]

I have the direct email to the det working this case, I just got off the phone with him.

I am going to email him the info you all found while I was at lunch.

[MissieMt]

that would be SO great Christine-they do look very similar

[kgeaux]

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070913_wz_hanna.ccb03634.html

This is extremely close to the man in the video. Identical, even.

I hope the little girl is safe.....

and I hope LE is planning to swat Tuck around a few blocks. Dear God, when you think of what a little girl had to endure while he was showing off his find. It makes me want to puke.

[STEADFAST]

This is extremely close to the man in the video. Identical, even.

I hope the little girl is safe.....

and I hope LE is planning to swat Tuck around a few blocks. Dear God, when you think of what a little girl had to endure while he was showing off his find. It makes me want to puke.

I agree with your whole post, kgeaux.

[teonspaleprincess]

I am so sick over this. I hope that POS is found and burned at the stake. I am going to post her pic on myspace also and send it to others to do the same.

[SeriouslySearching]

I would be interested in seeing pics of darren tuck also.

From the news report I get the idea that L.E. believes he knows more than he has told otherwise they would not be throwing the book at him with the charges filed. I think they very much doubt his story of finding the video by chance.

Knowing who he is and who he associated with might lead to where the video was obtained.
His photo was shown on the video of the newcast which was posted earlier, Doc. He doesn't look like the same guy in the tape, imo.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14182672/detail.html

[tiredblondy]

If it wasn't Hannah and if it is Kevin Anders maybe the police can trace his history and find out where this little girl could have been in his past travels?

[Reannan]

I wonder why Tuck kept the tape for several months and decided to turn it in NOW??? Could it be because he knows Kevin Wayne Anders from the Hanna Mack case, and since KWA is most likely going down, Tuck has decided to concoct the story about finding the tape in the desert to explain why HE has a tape with child porn on it?? In other words, if Tuck was trafficking in child porn with Kevin Wayne Anders, perhaps he has gotten concerned with Anders arrest, and is now trying to come up with an excuse for why he might have the tape?? Just a thought. I totally agree that the perp on the tape looks a LOT like Kevin Wayne Anders.

[Taximom]

You guys are amazing.

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, My! There is a striking similarity between both of them! They do need to look closely at him.

[christine2448]

I emailed all pics and info to detective, also just left him a voicemail asking him to return my call...I want to be sure he sees this guy.

[tiredblondy]

I have the direct email to the det working this case, I just got off the phone with him.

I am going to email him the info you all found while I was at lunch.


Chtistine, please let us know if you hear anything. The way Hannah was found has upset me more than I usually am with these kind of cases. Knowing it was reported that she was scared the night before and the terror she must have suffered has caused me to be majorly depressed. I wish the police who have Kevin Wayne Anders locked up would just let him out in the general prison population for just a few minutes...

[docwho3]

His photo was shown on the video of the newcast which was posted earlier, Doc. He doesn't look like the same guy in the tape, imo.

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14182672/detail.html
Right, I did not think Tuck was the same guy as perp in tape but he might be able to lead to where he got that tape from. Who are Darren Tuck's pals and who do THEY know and so on. Let L.E. shine the light far enough under enough rocks and people might begin to talk enough and when the perp is caught and convicted it will be 'nuff said.

He looks very much like this guy's pic I found online.
http://chilledheat.com/glastonbury/index.php?dir=skate+photos%2F13thMarch05&img=1

Close up
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/tuck/tukclos1.jpg

[christine2448]

I am tempted to email this to the tv station...what do y'all think?

[docwho3]

I am tempted to email this to the tv station...what do y'all think? Sounds ok to me. Hope TV station leads to perp getting caught.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Wow, those pics gave me goosebumps!! They look identical to the victim and the perv in the video! Way to go guys!

[STEADFAST]

Pahrump is (or was) home to the notorious brothels The Chicken Ranch and Sherri's Ranch. Now is also home to Heidi Fleiss, the Hollywood Madam. http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://media.lvrj.com/images/1905166.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lvrj.com/news/8270092.html&start=144&h=267&w=400&sz=39&tbnid=iy5yc9Lta71BDM:&tbnh=83&tbnw=124&hl=en&um=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dpahrump%26start%3D140%26gbv%3D1%26svn um%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN No telling where that video was taken.

[christine2448]

It's driving me crazy! I wish I knew if the Det has our email and if this guy could be a match.

[mysteriew]

Now posted at Lost in Lima Ohio
http://lostinlimaohio.blogspot.com/

[christine2448]

OK! Just got off the phone with Det again :D He opened the email while we were on the phone and he agreed, good match..he said that he was asked to assist Navarro with something here recently, not sure if this is the case, the assault/murder of Hannah (the det I am speaking to is in Sexual Assault Unit) He was thankful for all the info, he was on WS while we were on the phone, he last words to me was "let me work this, I will be in touch".

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

OK! Just got off the phone with Det again :D He opened the email while we were on the phone and he agreed, good match..he said that he was asked to assist Navarro with something here recently, not sure if this is the case, the assault/murder of Hannah (the det I am speaking to is in Sexual Assault Unit) He was thankful for all the info, he was on WS while we were on the phone, he last words to me was "let me work this, I will be in touch".

That is great!!! Christine thank you so much for all the hard work you do, you and all the other WSers that put in so much effort to help give a voice to those who cannot speak. Although the stories on this board often make me cry, I'm usually smiling when I log off just thinking about all of the wonderful people on the board!

[JanetElaine]

That is great!!! Christine thank you so much for all the hard work you do, you and all the other WSers that put in so much effort to help give a voice to those who cannot speak. Although the stories on this board often make me cry, I'm usually smiling when I log off just thinking about all of the wonderful people on the board!

Amen! You guys are amazing.

[SeriouslySearching]

Great job, Christine! I am not sure the little girl is Hannah, but it certainly looks like Kevin in the video.

I went back and took a look at the other photos by pausing the newscast. The mustache is a lot thinner, but the eyes, cheekbone, and chin sure look like that scumbag, Kevin. He looks a bit younger, but not much.

From Kevin's myspace page, he traveled around singing gospel and could have accessed many children in various places. Didn't someone who knew them say he had only been with Hannah's mother for a year or so? I will have to go back and find that.

[teonspaleprincess]

I think she looks alot like Hannah,but she also looks like Britney Beers like someone mentioned earlier. To me the guy and Anders don't look that much alike. The perv in the picture has a narrower nose. Anders' nose is more bulbous, but it's worth a shot anyway. You guys rock!

[imthemom]

I think the pictures of the men are similar. The faces look a lot alilke but the man in the video looks quite a bit bigger than, Kevin, face is broader and he has very broad shoulders where Kevin seems to have small ones. This little girl already may be safe. There was a case awhile back where they were looking for a girl in a video and she was found living in a foster home and the perp was already in prison. She had been adopted from Russia for this man's sick purpose at the age of 5. I hope this isn't the case for this poor little girl and she was adopted internationally for this or maybe she is from another country and the video was brought back here. I wonder what makes the cops think she is use to being abused? Could this be her father, Maybe her mother knows? There are sick parents that sell their own children. I don't know but I hope they identify her quickly.

[Taximom]

I HOPE the news/talk shows like Nancy Grace or Greta pick this up tonight. Can you imagine the coverage?

There's been an arrest in the Johnia Berry case...and I bet that will take precedent on a lot of these shows though.

[SadieMae]

The photo comparisons gave me goosebumps. The perps photo is not that clear, but I'm sure whoever has the video can tell if it's the same person. In the background of the girls photo...is that a computer monitor? Looks like it has the fish screen saver. I wonder if that piece of sh*t's been putting the tape on the internet?

I still think something is VERY wrong with Tuck. NO NORMAL MAN is going to watch that tape without being sickened by it, let alone invite others to see it. I think his "found" story is bullcrap. A tape left in the desert heat probably wouldn't even be playable after ONE day in the Nevada sun. The case is plastic on a VHS tape. Just for sh*t and grins I'm going to put an old vhs tape in my front yard...it's about 88 today in TX. He had the tape months, and NONE of his friends turned him in for having it? Does this make sense? Are his friends pedo's too that get off on this?

If it turns out the two in the photos are not the same person...Tuck needs to be squeezed hard!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is the article where I got the photo and it talks about him being arrested only for a traffic violation in 2005 in Texas.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070913_wz_hanna.ccb03634.html

In Post #111, Gabby talks about her boss knowing the family and Kevin only having been with Hannah's mom for about a year.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53311&page=5

[Taximom]

http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC837981c1.jpg

[Taximom]

Here's the link, SS, if you need that:
http://www.missingkids.com/photographs/NCMC837981c1.jpg

[MissieMt]

http://www.geocities.com/farmgirl1032001/Brittney_Beers.html

[MissieMt]

I'm not writing Brittney Beers off, but keep in mind her dob is in 1991, even if that tape was made 10yrs ago she would have been six

[Taximom]

Does anyone else think that's a reflection of a large hand resting on (perhaps) the arm of a chair or sofa to the right of the little girl as you look at her? It's reflected in that tv screen or pc monitor. If that's the case, doesn't that mean there are two people with her? One filming and one sitting there?

I'd like to see the whole outfit she's wearing too. Maybe we could track down who sells it or sold it and the timeframe.

:mad: :mad: How can anyone do this to little kids???

[SeriouslySearching]

I think they will squeeze Tuck VERY hard anyway. Hopefully, they will get the entire story from him and find out where he really got the tape, who is in the tape, and where they are now. I just hope they don't let him make any deals while trying to get that information.

I think it looks like the tv or the monitor...whatever that is...is actually on. You can also see what looks to be reflections which are more opaque on it. It might be a teddy bear or a doll...but it is too blurry to tell for sure what it is.

If you go to the newscast, pause it on the photo of her where it shows the outfit better. I was wrong before, I think, because I thought it showed a pink flower when actually...there is just blurs of pink on it. It does look more like a nightie than a dress, too.

[mysteriew]

The photo comparisons gave me goosebumps. The perps photo is not that clear, but I'm sure whoever has the video can tell if it's the same person. In the background of the girls photo...is that a computer monitor? Looks like it has the fish screen saver. I wonder if that piece of sh*t's been putting the tape on the internet?


I think you are right, I think that is a computer monitor. I don't know about the screensaver, but if you look along the bottom of the monitor you see the buttons for fine tuning.

PS I used the screen zoom and took a better look at the screensaver. It is a fish.

[Gabby]

OK! Just got off the phone with Det again :D He opened the email while we were on the phone and he agreed, good match..he said that he was asked to assist Navarro with something here recently, not sure if this is the case, the assault/murder of Hannah (the det I am speaking to is in Sexual Assault Unit) He was thankful for all the info, he was on WS while we were on the phone, he last words to me was "let me work this, I will be in touch".



This is great... Thanks so much for helping with this... I am so impressed.

[Luzer]

I am trying to put Britney's pic in here.

I think she looks a lot more like the girl in the video than Hannah.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

IMO Brittany looks older in that pic than the girl on the tape.

[MissieMt]

IMO Brittany looks older in that pic than the girl on the tape.
I agree-Brittney was 6 when she went missing, and would be 15 now. Even if the video is old-she would still be older than what the girl in the video looks to be. I wonder if they could give a possible age for the girl?

[Taximom]

I think his high cheek bones match those of Hannah's killer. oops. Alleged.

[SadieMae]

How can I find out what the temp weather condition was in the desert where the tape was supposedly "found" by Tuck 5 months ago. I put my vhs tape in my front yard, and will see if it plays after 24 hrs. in the heat. If it will play, I'll let it stay out another 24hrs and so on. It played perfectly before I put it out on the lawn. Temp here probably won't go past low 90's for the next few days. Just wanting to know how long before it will be un-playable exposed to heat and weather.
I'll keep y'all posted on when it no longer plays or screws up the player.

[philamena]

Sadie,
Why don't you send Buzz a pm? He is an excellent weather searcher guy. I bet he can find that information for you. ;)

Besides, this creep Tucker knows good and well he didn't find that tape in the desert. It's been hot as hades this summer....like that tape would have held up.

[Taximom]

How can I find out what the temp weather condition was in the desert where the tape was supposedly "found" by Tuck 5 months ago. I put my vhs tape in my front yard, and will see if it plays after 24 hrs. in the heat. If it will play, I'll let it stay out another 24hrs and so on. It played perfectly before I put it out on the lawn. Temp here probably won't go past low 90's for the next few days. Just wanting to know how long before it will be un-playable exposed to heat and weather.

Heck, I have some in my home that don't work well because they accumulated dust!

What a loser he is.

[SuziQ]

I am sitting here with major goosebumps. Christine, that is definitely Kevin in that sick video. Thank you for calling in the tip. And keep us posted. Very good catch Christine, very good.

[LMax]

Brittney may have been abused for years by her uncle before she disappeared. I think I finally found his mug shot from Michigan http://www.state.mi.us/mdoc/asp/otis2profile.asp?mdocNumber=456713

[Indy Gal]

I encourage anyone that has a webpage, myspace page, etc to please post these pictures, if you do, please post to us so that we can follow how many are working on getting these pics out there.

I will get my volunteers to get pics and story and bulletins up on my 2 pages and also send to Kelly J and anyone else I can think of.

Fox 5 has the link to this thread ;)

Also, the missing, could this little girl be abducted??
Okay I wasnt going to jump in but I thought they looked similar as well. For me it is the eyes. Also It looks as though she has a birth defect, clef pallette?

[SuziQ]

Here is the article where I got the photo and it talks about him being arrested only for a traffic violation in 2005 in Texas.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/wfaa/latestnews/stories/wfaa070913_wz_hanna.ccb03634.html

In Post #111, Gabby talks about her boss knowing the family and Kevin only having been with Hannah's mom for about a year.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53311&page=5

In that article it says that Kevin was married. Does he have a daughter(s) or stepdaughter(s) with his wife?

[Indy Gal]

PM me if you want a copy of the myspace bulletin I posted, if you are on Deanna's friends list there you should get it soon.
I will repost it as soon as I log on. Thanks !!!!

[Indy Gal]

He looks like the guy who killed the little girl in Texas. I can't think of her name off the top of my head right now but it was recent and they found her outside hanging in the garage?
Ding ding ding. I thought I have seen this man before and that is where. While I dont know if they are the same they look VERY similar!!

[SuziQ]

Ding ding ding. I thought I have seen this man before and that is where. While I dont know if they are the same they look VERY similar!!

I'm still catching up on posts. Kudos to Mygirlsadie for making the connection. And thank you Christine for calling in the tip!

[SadieMae]

I think you are right, I think that is a computer monitor. I don't know about the screensaver, but if you look along the bottom of the monitor you see the buttons for fine tuning.

PS I used the screen zoom and took a better look at the screensaver. It is a fish.
If it is the "aquarium" screen saver, it was downloadable from the internet. I had that one about 5 years ago on mine.

I agree-Brittney was 6 when she went missing, and would be 15 now. Even if the video is old-she would still be older than what the girl in the video looks to be. I wonder if they could give a possible age for the girl?
I think there is a similiarity in the photos. I haven't seen a video camera that records on VHS in stores for about 3 years, they mostly record on DVD's now. So this tape could be as much as 10 years old or older. On the VHS tape itself, can LE determine the brand? Are there numbers on it to identify the manufacturer, item code, etc to help come up with at least a date of manufacture? The one I put outside has white ink letters and numbers on it...it was a blank one you purchase to copy things on.

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

I have posted the pics on my myspace bulletin, thanks MissieMT

[Indy Gal]

and the picture in the red sweater, she also has very sad, abused looking eyes :mad:
IMO eye shapes dont match. Still catching up here though

[imthemom]

If it is the "aquarium" screen saver, it was downloadable from the internet. I had that one about 5 years ago on mine.


I think there is a similiarity in the photos. I haven't seen a video camera that records on VHS in stores for about 3 years, they mostly record on DVD's now. So this tape could be as much as 10 years old or older. On the VHS tape itself, can LE determine the brand? Are there numbers on it to identify the manufacturer, item code, etc to help come up with at least a date of manufacture? The one I put outside has white ink letters and numbers on it...it was a blank one you purchase to copy things on.

The tape could be a copy, if sold by a underground child porn ring, it might not be the only one. The screen saver is older though I remember my mom having this about 7 or 8 years ago but if you have an older computer this screen saver would still be on there. I think she is around 3 maybe 4. She looks malnourished from the circles around the eyes so she probably is small for her age. The case about the adopted girl earlier, her abuser barely fed her to keep her small and from going into puberty, sick SOB!!!:behindbar

[Indy Gal]

:clap: :clap: I got my dd to play around with this..at least he has another eye...still working on it tho...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd238/MsPooh321/mmmmm.jpg

[Indy Gal]

I also see marks on her neck, left middle and I also see blood in her left nostril. Anyone if I am not seeing right please correct me. TIA

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

I do see where there are marks under her eyes and on the cheek. Also, it looks like bruising on the jawline. I can't tell if its blood or a shadow on her nose though, either way this girl for sure looks like she has been beaten. :(

[Indy Gal]

I take back the birth defect. Now with the bigger photo I think her lip may be swollen. I am not seeing anything useful in the background. What is that on the bottom our right? I think it kinda looks like a webcamrea??

ETA I see that is the computer now. Then what is above it. also I keep blowing it up and in the upper our right it look like a tiny window which looks as though it has two pices of duck tape on the left corners. that of a vent but I see light through it. Sorry for rambling

[MissieMt]

She may be malnourished, but I also think the dark circles around the eyes are not uncommon for fair-skinned people. I have them, and so do my kids-none of us are malnourished.

[BethInAK]

I know the pics aren't good, but, do their chins/mouths look similar?

I think the shape of the eyes and sockets look very similar. I think they ARE related.

[BethInAK]

This child has very distinct features -a large chin, very full lips, a very wide nose and almost flattened eye sockets. the distance between the nose and mouth is very short. If someone who sees the photo has ever seen that child, they'd know.

I personally don't think she resembles Brittany Beers at all, except for coloring.

[SeriouslySearching]

In that article it says that Kevin was married. Does he have a daughter(s) or stepdaughter(s) with his wife? I will have to find it, but there was a mention of him having children from the other marriage.

[Reannan]

I am not sure it is a computer monitor behind the little girl. It looks more like a cheap TV in a cheap TV cabinet like you would find in a motel. I think the "duct tape" looking thing in the upper right hand corner is the reflection from a window that is in the background. I also, sadly think the little girl is wearing some sort of nightgown. The look of terror and misery on her face just makes my blood boil. I had sworn that THIS week, I was going to cut back on whiskey and wine......but maybe not until after this case. :banghead: :furious:

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

Reannan, that was just what I said to my husband, looks like a hotel room. I'm going to try and blow up/adjust/agonize over this pic for some kind of clue :(

[ceeaura]

Wow you guys have done great while I have gone.Great job everyone posting this in their myspace (I am still trying to figure out how to post pictures in the bulletin :blushing: )Great job on contacting the authorities also.I hope we hear something soon.Mainly that this little girl is alive and well.(as well as can be expected anyway)

[Indy Gal]

I am not sure it is a computer monitor behind the little girl. It looks more like a cheap TV in a cheap TV cabinet like you would find in a motel. I think the "duct tape" looking thing in the upper right hand corner is the reflection from a window that is in the background. I also, sadly think the little girl is wearing some sort of nightgown. The look of terror and misery on her face just makes my blood boil. I had sworn that THIS week, I was going to cut back on whiskey and wine......but maybe not until after this case. :banghead: :furious:
You are so right!!! It is a reflection and it is a tv.

[Indy Gal]

Wow you guys have done great while I have gone.Great job everyone posting this in their myspace (I am still trying to figure out how to post pictures in the bulletin :blushing: )Great job on contacting the authorities also.I hope we hear something soon.Mainly that this little girl is alive and well.(as well as can be expected anyway)
Just hit reply to poster when it pops up copy/paste that info into your our bulletin

[MissieMt]

Has anyone sent all of this to AMW? I really think this needs a lot of national attention. I saw a blurb earlier on CNN, but nothing since. Thanks for the larger pics guys!!

[j2mirish]

I am not sure it is a computer monitor behind the little girl. It looks more like a cheap TV in a cheap TV cabinet like you would find in a motel. I think the "duct tape" looking thing in the upper right hand corner is the reflection from a window that is in the background. I also, sadly think the little girl is wearing some sort of nightgown. The look of terror and misery on her face just makes my blood boil. I had sworn that THIS week, I was going to cut back on whiskey and wine......but maybe not until after this case. :banghead: :furious:
I agree with you

[Tom'sGirl]

I wasn't going to post here, but after reading this guy with the video was from Pahrump and many tweekers out here have sought refuge in that area i started reading.

I have a friend who made the mistake years ago of investing in some property to build a vacation home in Pahrump since her sister lives in LV. (my apologies to anyone who may live there if I offend w/my remarks)

Okay, back to this case...........to me the child in the photo is older than she looks, but that's JMO. After viewing the full screen of the video it appears she may be posing, even has her right hand curled up........not sure there may have been something in her hand. The leopard design 'whatever' doesn't appear to be a nightie to me as it's slightly fitted at the waistline with slight bulge at bustline.

Viewing the background it appears to be a TV housed in a wood Armoire as there are drawers and it looks like the top portion has had one door removed with a henge on the left side of the photo visible.

What was additionally disturbing was hearing the officer say the child appeared to used to being victimized.

[ceeaura]

Just hit reply to poster when it pops up copy/paste that info into your our bulletin


Thank you!!! Duh :doh: You can learn something new everyday :D

[teonspaleprincess]

It is definately a tv and you can see about three dresser drawers underneath it. I wish I could see the reflection on the screen better, but can't clear it up. Is it just me or does it look like the little girl has small breast? It looks almost like some stuffed a training bra or something. I disagree that this girl is 3-4. I think she looks older, maybe as old as 7. I posted her picture everywhere that I could think of. I hope that they find her soon and that she is safe now.

[Indy Gal]

It is definately a tv and you can see about three dresser drawers underneath it. I wish I could see the reflection on the screen better, but can't clear it up. Is it just me or does it look like the little girl has small breast? It looks almost like some stuffed a training bra or something. I disagree that this girl is 3-4. I think she looks older, maybe as old as 7. I posted her picture everywhere that I could think of. I hope that they find her soon and that she is safe now.
I thought the same but thought I was crazy. I do see it. Also TG thanks for pointing out the waisteline.

[MissieMt]

I thought the same but thought I was crazy. I do see it. Also TG thanks for pointing out the waisteline.
me too, but i just didnt want to believe it.

[Reannan]

After viewing the full screen of the video it appears she may be posing, even has her right hand curled up........not sure there may have been something in her hand. The leopard design 'whatever' doesn't appear to be a nightie to me as it's slightly fitted at the waistline.

Viewing the background it appears to be a TV housed in a wood Armoire as there are drawers and it looks like the top portion has had one door removed with a henge on the left side of the photo visible.

What was additionally disturbing was hearing the officer say the child appeared to used to being victimized.

I think she is holding the edge of her nightgown in her hand, and I think the right side of the armoire looks different because the door isn't swung all the way out. It looks like one of those motel cabinets that you can close the doors and hide the TV. This one appears to have one door swung open far enough to see the hinges, but the other one is angled in a manner that prvents a view of the hinges. Now, back to what the reflection in the TV is.... It really did look like a fish from one of those screen savers that was so popular about 5 years ago. From the larger picture, the TV appears to be off, so whatever we ar seeing is a reflection of something. It almost appears as if it is the left arm and hand of someone holding something out to the little girl. It appears to be something that reflects light quiet well, and has a "hole" in the middle of some sort; almost like a gun barrell, but it is too big and not really round enough for that. Dang! I wish LE would give us more to go on with these things.

[eel]

It's a night gown she's wearing. My daughter has the exact one. :furious:

[Indy Gal]

The bigger photo looks so different than the first. I think she is holding the nightgown. Do you see the circle patch to the her right toward bottom of dresser? That circle has the same pattern as dress.. imo

[Indy Gal]

Might be a strech but at her right elbow I believe those are shoes. If we could just get someone to clear this photo up. Wait, I will send it to a poster here and see if she can do something. She makes some of my banners.

[2luvmy]

It's a night gown she's wearing. My daughter has the exact one. :furious:


Where did you get the night gown? That could be clue as to where and when it was purchased and what stores stock it, etc.

[Gina_M]

How can I find out what the temp weather condition was in the desert where the tape was supposedly "found" by Tuck 5 months ago. I put my vhs tape in my front yard, and will see if it plays after 24 hrs. in the heat. If it will play, I'll let it stay out another 24hrs and so on. It played perfectly before I put it out on the lawn. Temp here probably won't go past low 90's for the next few days. Just wanting to know how long before it will be un-playable exposed to heat and weather.
I'll keep y'all posted on when it no longer plays or screws up the player.

On these sites you can look up weather history by plugging in the zip code and date:

http://www.almanac.com/weatherhistory/index.php
http://weather.org/weatherorg_records_and_averages.htm

[Angels_Not_Forgotten]

me too, but i just didnt want to believe it.Me too!!

[SeriouslySearching]

It's a night gown she's wearing. My daughter has the exact one. :furious: Where did you get it and how long ago?! What is the manufacturer's name? This could give us an idea of when this video was taken.

Is there a flower type thing on it or where does the pink come from?

I can see it is a television in an armoire now. It looks like LE could tell us if it was taken in a hotel room or not.

The blown up photos of her do show redness and swelling. It makes me sick to think about it.

[Reannan]

On closer inspection, I think the reflective object in the TV is something on a table underneath the window. Alarm clock perhaps? I also can see dark men's shoes up against the wall in the corner by her right elbow. Definitely has a motel room feel to it. If she IS the daughter of this monster, perhaps this is what happens when they take a trip together....and thus, the Mother doesn't know???

[eel]

I got the night gown at a store in Winnfield, Louisiana called The Youth Shop.
It carries brands like Roxy and a lot of nicer lines. My daughter wore hers out and I wanted to get her another one in a larger size but after I think a size 6 or 8 it only came in the top with pants. Maybe that can narrow down her age. I'll have to look for the gown to find out the brand. I know it's around here somewhere.

[Indy Gal]

I got the night gown at a store in Winnfield, Louisiana called The Youth Shop.
It carries brands like Roxy and a lot of nicer lines. My daughter wore hers out and I wanted to get her another one in a larger size but after I think a size 6 or 8 it only came in the top with pants. Maybe that can narrow down her age. I'll have to look for the gown to find out the brand. I know it's around here somewhere.Thank you so much!

[Indy Gal]

On closer inspection, I think the reflective object in the TV is something on a table underneath the window. Alarm clock perhaps? I also can see dark men's shoes up against the wall in the corner by her right elbow. Definitely has a motel room feel to it. If she IS the daughter of this monster, perhaps this is what happens when they take a trip together....and thus, the Mother doesn't know???
I just dont get the hotel feel. Why would they have a TV that big but have a broken drawer? Also the window seems too high for a hotel. JMO though could be wrong myself

[Tom'sGirl]

I am tempted to email this to the tv station...what do y'all think?

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7102515 has run the story, maybe they will run more information Chris

[eel]

Found the gown. The brand is Laura Dare.

[MissieMt]

Found the gown. The brand is Laura Dare.
i think you should send all of this information to LE

[Tom'sGirl]

Desperate search for missing girl, assailant
Sep 24, 2007 03:01 PM PDT

Nye County detectives are calling it a horrific crime. A young girl being sexually abused and it was all caught on tape. And perhaps even worse than the crime itself is the fact that police have no idea who the victim is or even the identity of the man abusing her.
As News 3's Collette Wieland (cwieland@kvbc.com) shows us, police have released her picture in hopes someone will know who she is.

"The more eyes and ears that you have working on any type of investigation, the better it is. Because that's what helps generate leads," says Stephanie Parker with Nevada Child Seekers.

* **


Earlier this month, a different man, Darren Tuck, said he found the videotape in the desert then confessed to having it for five months. Tuck told police he did not know the people on the tape but is now in jail for possession of child pornography.
If you have any information that might help police in this case, you are urged to call Crime Stoppers. That number is 385-5555.


http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7121727 (http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7121727)

[reb]

OK, here's an obvious question....didn't the police try to get some fingerprints or DNA from the tape...??????

Also.. is this the only still they have released? Why can't they release some more to get a better image of the girl, the room, etc....???
I mean,,, Hello......??????

I agree that the photo is a spitting image of the Texas girl's killer. He has the same close-set, beady, almond-shaped eyes, and the same look, the same intensity. Same mouth, cheekbones.. same vacant stare. And the mustache. Now all they have to do is torture it out of him.
I also agree that finding the tape in the desert is a lie. OF COURSE it would warp in the sun.. you can't even leave a video in your car for 5 minutes before it is history!! Obviously the guy's intelligence was reflected in this but also in how he passed the thing around. I will bet anything, his mother- or someone else with a shred of conscience told him to take it to the police... otherwise he woulda never even thought of it (duh). In fact I bet the only reason he did was in hoped of getting some kind of reward money.

I also think the girl is around 5 yrs old, based on her overall size & her hands.

[MissieMt]

I don't think LE is very stuck on whether or not to punish him, he's already been charged for possesion of child pornography, and something else.

[Indy Gal]

Well they are throwing the book at the guy. AS THEY SHOULD!! There is no figging way he found that tape. Hopefully they will search his computer and house!

[reb]

Agreed... but there must be SOME reason that he turned the tape in.. no matter where he got it from. So...... what was it........???

I hope they are also interviewing every single individual who he passed the tape around to... as well as their wives/girlfriends who might be a little more honest and not so protective of him. Because, surely every single person asked him "dude, where'd you get this?!" and it would be interesting to hear what he told all of THEM.....
and I guess all of those guys would end up being charged too, for child porn.........??

[Indy Gal]

Agreed... but there must be SOME reason that he turned the tape in.. no matter where he got it from. So...... what was it........???Well going with this man is the same man as the one who killed the other girl, he turned it in because he felt LE would find it first??

[mrs.kravitz]

Found the gown. The brand is Laura Dare.

That is exactly what I was thinking. It is a Laura Dare, sold in nicer kids' stores. The pattern is a fairly recent one. Leopard with pink roses.

[reb]

indygal,, can you please explain that again...? i didn't get what you just said...

[Tom'sGirl]

I just dont get the hotel feel. Why would they have a TV that big but have a broken drawer? Also the window seems too high for a hotel. JMO though could be wrong myself

I don't get the motel room feel either Indy, more like someones bedroom.

[SeriouslySearching]

We thought earlier it could be because someone was going to turn him in if he didn't. He thought with his desert story...they would not connect or charge him. When LE found out he had it and passed it around for five months...he was culpable.

I agree it looks more like someone's bedroom, but without full shots of the room it is difficult to tell.

Thanks, Eel! Do you know how long ago you purchased that gown?!

[reb]

i think it's a living room in a home also (not a hotel). And the object behind her looks more like a TV to me than a computer. but what's strange is.. the light coming through the window on the other side of the room (in the reflection, in the bigger pic)... why on earth would a person be abusing a child this way with the window wide open....???

[philamena]

Found the gown. The brand is Laura Dare.

I'm searching Laura Dare pj's now but haven't found anything that looks like the one in the picture. TIA

I remember buying a gown similar to the in the picture at Dillards a year or 2 ago.

[Indy Gal]

indygal,, can you please explain that again...? i didn't get what you just said...
If the man in the video is the same man who killed the 6 year old girl Hanna, then I believe he felt LE would be coming for him. Meaning that I think if the two men are the same I believe there was a sex porn ring here involving Man in video and guy who finds tape. I already think that of the man who killed 6 year old. Guy who "finds" tape gets scared and turns it in before it is found by cops.

[teonspaleprincess]

i think it's a living room in a home also (not a hotel). And the object behind her looks more like a TV to me than a computer. but what's strange is.. the light coming through the window on the other side of the room (in the reflection, in the bigger pic)... why on earth would a person be abusing a child this way with the window wide open....???

Maybe they live in a remote area near the desert and don't have to worry about getting caught?

ETA: I sent a request to court tv online asking them to run something about this girl.

[Indy Gal]

Maybe they live in a remote area near the desert and don't have to worry about getting caught?
Like a trailer? Would explain why area looks small...grrrr:banghead: :banghead:

[reb]

oh so you mean.. tuck might be an associate of hannah's killer.. and got scared and turned the tape in, to try to absolve himself in case he/ the ring got busted....??

[philamena]

SieSie,
thanks so much. Sure looks like her little mouth may have been hit.
WHERE is this child's mother? I mean, was this little one reported missing? Did her mother know this was happening? Surely she'd know.:(:(:(:(:(

[MissieMt]

is this it?
http://www.newicm.com/s07-jungle_garden.htm

from the spring '07 line
http://www.newicm.com/images/S07_LD_387566-586-596.jpg

[Indy Gal]

Honey thank you so much!!:blowkiss:

Can you sharpen the photo enough to see the relection on the TV and anything else that pops out to you. I have no clue how to sharpen photos, plus I dont have photoshop.

[philamena]

MISSIEMT,
Honey that's it! You've got to send that link to LE. Be sure you tell exactly which one it is.

Style: 387586 - Strappy Gown -

[reb]

exactly.... i was thinking trailer,, all along. it looks exactly like the kind of furniture you'd see in a trailer. big, chunky, dark, woody, 70's stuff. And yes the room does look small. Also the window blinds being open made me think that it wasn't a hotel.. If you stopped into a hotel to do something like this,, or even lived in an apartment bldg, you'd surely have all the blinds drawn,, no......??

[Indy Gal]

oh so you mean.. tuck might be an associate of hannah's killer.. and got scared and turned the tape in, to try to absolve himself in case he/ the ring got busted....??
You got it!! Sorry names are so gone right now, trying to keep up with 3 threads...lol

[Tom'sGirl]

Agreed... but there must be SOME reason that he turned the tape in.. no matter where he got it from. So...... what was it........???



Beats me, but this snip I found sort of funny, redeeming qualities:doh:"At least he had enough of a conscience to come forward. He didn't just throw it away and in that respect Mr. Tuck has some redeeming qualities," Sheriff Demeo said.http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7102515 (http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7102515)

[reb]

mother could be a drunk, druggie, prostitute, didn't want a kid to begin with, coulda been raped,, coulda sold her, who knows......... :(

[Indy Gal]

is this it?
http://www.newicm.com/s07-jungle_garden.htm

from the spring '07 line
http://www.newicm.com/images/S07_LD_387566-586-596.jpg
Everything looks exactly the same except the one on the girl doesnt have a pink trim and bow at the top. The one in this photo has that. Do they make knock off kid clothes???

[MissieMt]

MISSIEMT,
Honey that's it! You've got to send that link to LE. Be sure you tell exactly which one it is.

Style: 387586 - Strappy Gown -
i dont have an email addy for them, but i will try to send it to Christine

[Reannan]

The trailer makes more sense than the motel room. The window which is reflected in the TV screen doesn't make sense for a motel, now that I think about it. What do we know about Kevin Wayne Anders, the alleged murderer of Hanna Mack? Do we know if he had children with his wife?

[SuziQ]

The only reason Darren Tuck turned himself in with the tape is because the people he showed the tape to, turned him in to LE. I do not by his story that he found the tape in the desert. The nightgown proves the tape was made in the past year or so.

[Tom'sGirl]

The trailer makes more sense than the motel room. The window which is reflected in the TV screen doesn't make sense for a motel, now that I think about it. What do we know about Kevin Wayne Anders, the alleged murderer of Hanna Mack? Do we know if he had children with his wife?

The walls look wrong for a trailer or mobilehome, to me anyway unless it was a new mobilehome and not paneled.

[reb]

i think the girl's face could be this way because that's just how she looks.. unfortunately she kind of has that poor kid look.. kind of bloated, with baggy eyes... probably doesn't sleep well... maybe malnourished.. then again it's true that some people just have that look genetically, and there's certainly nothing wrong with it... it doesn't mean they aren't cute or good-looking kids, if they are healthy otherwise.. however it's also true she may have been beaten, and that's why she appears a bit swollen.. i sure hope that isn't the case.

i wonder how soon they will search tuck's house and talk to those who know him?? i sure hope they get to it ASAP and don't waste any time with bureaucratic legal BS!!!!!!

[Tom'sGirl]

The more I study the photo, the more she doesn't look like a child to me!

[Indy Gal]

The more I study the photo, the more she doesn't look like a child to me!
Do tell please! So glad you are here:blowkiss:

[reb]

OH!!!! So, I misunderstood!! So he did NOT turn himself in. Hmmm.... Interesting..... I still want to know what he said to everyone though, about where he got it. OK.. so if you have a tape like this in your possession... I can't imagine passing it around,, if you were in a child porn ring, or you ordered it off the 'net, unless you were a complete moron. Most men would be ashamed and try to hid it. Maybe he did really find it somewhere... but what the heck would make you pass it around?? Would you not think you would get in trouble??

btw... does anyone know what the law is for this kind of thing? For instance, if you found something like this, what would be the longest you would have to turn it in or contact police before you would be charged with possession? 24 hours..?

[docwho3]

oh so you mean.. tuck might be an associate of hannah's killer.. and got scared and turned the tape in, to try to absolve himself in case he/ the ring got busted....??
That was something along the idea I had I mind. That tuck knew L.E. was likely to get wind of it because he had been showing it around to "friends" so maybe he decided to turn it in and pretend he had just found it.

I also think that L.E. does not believe his story either or they would have been easier on him rather than charges that could net him life in prison.

Thats why I posted thepic of him and his biking buds. Maybe the perps pic would have turned up among his friends or friends of friends.
And Maybe if L.E. looks at enough of his friends, putting them in the spotlight, they might decide to be "helpful" and point to the perp so the spotlight will go elsewhere.

Edited to add:
Remember that pic I posted of tuck on a bike with people watching?
I zoomed in on one of those people and see what I found?
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e232/docwho3/tuck/myst1.jpg

Any chance this could be the mystery man perp?

[Cherlee]

The more I study the photo, the more she doesn't look like a child to me!

I would have to say I agree..Something about her neck doesn't look like a childs neck to me.. And it looks to me the way her upper chest area is that she has small breasts..Could be the way the gown fits, but I trust that the LE can tell that it's a child if there is sound to the tape.

[Tom'sGirl]

OH!!!! So, I misunderstood!! So he did NOT turn himself in. Hmmm.... Interesting..... I still want to know what he said to everyone though, about where he got it. OK.. so if you have a tape like this in your possession... I can't imagine passing it around,, if you were in a child porn ring, or you ordered it off the 'net, unless you were a complete moron. Most men would be ashamed and try to hid it. Maybe he did really find it somewhere... but what the heck would make you pass it around?? Would you not think you would get in trouble??

btw... does anyone know what the law is for this kind of thing? For instance, if you found something like this, what would be the longest you would have to turn it in or contact police before you would be charged with possession? 24 hours..?

From this post http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698151&postcount=154 it says "Earlier this month, a different man, Darren Tuck, said he found the videotape in the desert then confessed to having it for five months.

So, this being the 24th, the LE has know of this tape for a few weeks!

[OceanEyes]

I was also thinking she looked like a little person. Something about her facial features.

[Reannan]

Here is a link to a document that seems to be referring to a Kevin Anders wife. This is very interesting if it is the same Kevin Anders whom I undertand was still married to the lady mentioned in the article while he was living with Dana, Hanna Mack's mother.

http://www.prison-online.com/index.php?topic=3755.0

If this is the same Kevin Anders, apparently KWA's wife, was abused by her own brother (Robert Bates) when she was a child. She was coerced by her brother into blaming someone else for the abuse, and the innocent guy is now serving time. Subsequently, she says her brother also molested one of her cousins. Evidence of this abuse of the cousin was observed by KWA. So, we have a guy who marries a young girl (wasn't she 15 or something??) who had previously been abused, and during the marriage, he "witnessed" possible abuse of another child. Here is a snip from the above article:

11. When I was about fourteen. I was allowed to return home to the custody of my mother. At that time, Robert Bates continued to sexually abuse me on several occasions by variously touching my breasts, watching me in the shower, and in other ways. Dorothy Edwards, my niece, has told me that Robert Bates abused her also. My husband, Kevin Anders has seen Robert Bates in inappropriate situations with Dorothy Edwards. This occurred as recently as about 1997 or 1998, after which two of my nieces and a nephew were removed from the custody of my grandmother, Dorothy Lee Crecy (my mother).

:eek: So, if this is the same Kevin Anders, we have a guy that married a very young girl (14 or 15, right??) who had been abused. He then is a witness of the abuse of another family member. Don't forget, he also was a witness to another hanging; an apparent suicide. He then has the misfortune to look exactly like a guy who surfaces on a child porn video. 2 + 2 = 4 still, doesn't it??

[Tom'sGirl]

Tom'sGirl... OMG.. I think I see what you are seeing now!!! I knew there was something strange about the girl's hands, her face, her chest... do you think there is any possibility that this little person is actually....... a grown adult (or teenager) with dwarfism...????

Yes, that's what I meant, I wanted to be delicate about how I approached that possibility.

[docwho3]

I edited post 188 to add a link I would like people to look at. Please and thanks.

[Reannan]

I had the same thoughts about the dwarfism possibility. There is something about her stance, however, that still seems childlike to me.

[SeriouslySearching]

Dwarfism. Hmmm..you really might be onto something there. I hadn't really thought about it before, but it could explain her facial features. Notice how long her hands seem also.

[Indy Gal]

I had the same thoughts about the dwarfism possibility. There is something about her stance, however, that still seems childlike to me.
My only thought is that we only see one still frame while LE has seen the whole tape. They would have to know the difference wouldnt you think???

[SeriouslySearching]

I edited post 188 to add a link I would like people to look at. Please and thanks. It is so blurry it is difficult to tell. I guess it could look like him tho.

[reb]

Another possibility is that she is older than we are thinking, but something has stunted her growth... malnutrition, fetal alcohol syndrome, some chromosome abnormality, retardation, again it's hard to tell from the pic and she may well be completely normal (the cops who viewed might have a better idea, but maybe they aren't saying)... I just think it's important to look at all possibilities. It's also possible that the photo & her stance may be distorting how she really looks somewhat. And the hair in her face doesn't help either.

Wasn't there a girl in a mysterious picture, just like this one, a few months back, whom the police were trying to identify? Whatever happened with that, did they find her...???

[SeriouslySearching]

My only thought is that we only see one still frame while LE has seen the whole tape. They would have to know the difference wouldnt you think???I don't know...how many naked dwarfs do you think they have seen? Also, with certain forms of dwarfism...they use hormone injections to retard the onset of puberty. The girl could certainly be much older and still have a body with a childlike appearance.

[docwho3]

It is so blurry it is difficult to tell. I guess it could look like him tho.Yes it is blury but perhaps L.E. needs to look at it. If it is the guy then it links the perp to tuck directly and they might use that to pressure some more info out of tuck.

[reb]

Maybe for legal reasons the investigators aren't allowed to reveal any details about the person or their features. Then again, the difference between a child and a teen/adult who is a dwarf, should be obvious to anyone.... right?

[Indy Gal]

now that I close up on the face her eyes look much older. I dont know if this could be due to fear but I do see what you guys are seeing, I just dont see how the cops wouldnt

[Indy Gal]

I don't know...how many naked dwarfs do you think they have seen?
Thank you for making me laugh tonight!!:blowkiss:

[MissieMt]

My only thought is that we only see one still frame while LE has seen the whole tape. They would have to know the difference wouldnt you think???
ITA-and knowing they have had it for a few weeks, it has probably been analyzed, and re-analyzed to be sure this was a child and not someone with dwarfism. Even if it was someone with dwarfism I'm sure she would quietly contact LE to get her face out of the news.

[reb]

Yeah, I know... for one thing a grown person with dwarfism would be talking & acting like an adult (unless there was something mentally wrong).. also they have a particular way of walking... still, there is something odd about the way she looks...

[SeriouslySearching]

Thank you for making me laugh tonight!!:blowkiss: You needed it! :crazy:

[Tom'sGirl]

Yeah, I know... for one thing a grown person with dwarfism would be talking & acting like an adult (unless there was something mentally wrong).. also they have a particular way of walking... still, there is something odd about the way she looks...

It doesn't mean there was sound to the video reb.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes it is blury but perhaps L.E. needs to look at it. If it is the guy then it links the perp to tuck directly and they might use that to pressure some more info out of tuck.
True! Send it to them, Doc! Can't hurt them to check him out!

[Reannan]

Doc, I think you should send that picture which is at least a lead for them to follow up. If nothing else, it may make some of Tuck's friends talk if they find out people on the web are scoping them out and finding their pictures suspicious. Reb, are you referring to the mysterious picture from the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation of the dead woman that fell out of a truck in Purcell, Oklahoma? The last thing I recall was that she had been identified as being an Iraqi woman who died in Iraq. A soldier had a picture that he sent back to a relative in Oklahoma, and it had fall out of the truck. The outstanding people here at Websleuth's had already figured out she was middle eastern - just from the picture. So, I don't guess it is too much of a stretch that you guys would also figure out the dwarfism thing. Believe it or not, I don't think LE scrutinizes these things like we do. They have techniques and tools we don't have, but I am not sure they become as obsessed!

[Indy Gal]

True! Send it to them, Doc! Can't hurt them to check him out!
Maybe once siesie catches up she can clear that photo up too. Man I will owe her big time!

[SeriouslySearching]

Yeah, I know... for one thing a grown person with dwarfism would be talking & acting like an adult (unless there was something mentally wrong).. also they have a particular way of walking... still, there is something odd about the way she looks...If the men watching this in disgust were thinking it was a little girl and they didn't clue in on that she could be a dwarf...would they have really noticed?

What if she is a dwarf in on the game instead of a victim? She would pretend to BE a little girl in such a scenario. (Not saying it happened this way...just saying it could!)

[reb]

correct.. but you can still watch a person's mouth move, and kind of tell if they are speaking as an adult would... that is, IF she is speaking at all...?

[Indy Gal]

That is so true they had no clue she was Iraqi! You guys may be on to something!

[MissieMt]

okay guys-i have to go to bed. I expect to see that you all have identified her in the morning,lol.

[Taximom]

I still think the object reflecting on the tv is a man's hand, partially curled, resting on perhaps the arm of a chair. If you lay your hand down with the fingertips tucked under and the thumb straight, you get that "hole" effect that I see in the reflection on the TV.

This is what I'd like LE to do. They need to get as many pictures of this environment out there like they did with the Walt Disney girl. They blocked out her images which left us with a lot to go on.

According to a medical growth chart I'm showing the following heights 50th percentile) for girls ages 4-7 yrs:
4yrs approx. 40"
5yrs approx. 43"
6yrs approx. 46"
7yrs approx. 48"

Anyone want to attempt figuring out her height based on the tv/entertainment center?

[reb]

well, it certainly wouldn't hurt to ask the investigators about it, if anyone is in touch with them.

Reannan.. no, I was referring to a photo of a little girl with straight dark brown hair, she had her head down, was laying sideways on a sofa, reading a book, wearing shorts & some kind of halter top.. looked like she was in a hotel. I think the investigators thought it might have been in Florida, or they found it near Disneyworld or something. It was in the news & on here too.. but like with most things,, I don't ever remember hearing the outcome. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Tom'sGirl]

correct.. but you can still watch a person's mouth move, and kind of tell if they are speaking as an adult would... that is, IF she is speaking at all...?

reb, don't know who you were responding to as there was no quote ???

If it was to me, your IF she was speaking at all is probably the case.

[reb]

sorry.. I'm going too fast. I was responding to (was it you?) who said.. that doesn't mean there was sound on the tape. which is true, there's obviously a lot we don't know. I hope the cops realize that (as Taximom just said).. the more they get out there, the more CLUES people will have to go on!!

[Indy Gal]

Guys I am sorry but i have to go to bed! I will come straight here after work. keep up the good work all! Maybe someone overnight should compile something for Christine to send in to LE. She has a lot of stuff to do and this may make it easier for her.

[Reannan]

well, it certainly wouldn't hurt to ask the investigators about it, if anyone is in touch with them.

Reannan.. no, I was referring to a photo of a little girl with straight dark brown hair, she had her head down, was laying sideways on a sofa, reading a book, wearing shorts & some kind of halter top.. looked like she was in a hotel. I think the investigators thought it might have been in Florida, or they found it near Disneyworld or something. It was in the news & on here too.. but like with most things,, I don't ever remember hearing the outcome. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Oh yea...I remember that case. Her name was Mea, and she had been adopted from a Russian orphanage by the guy that abused her. She was subsequently placed in a foster home, and he was already in jail when she was identified. Here is a link to an article aobut the case:
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05149/512403.stm

Ok....I have to get to bed also. Early day tomorrow. Take care everyone, and hopefully, the second shift can show up and keep on searching!!! :blowkiss:

[Taximom]

She could be mildly retarded as well. There are different syndromes where you don't necessarily look like the typical Down's Syndrome child.

She seems to me to be lifting her shoulders up some, like she's startled.

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_5_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)Please everyone, take a moment and say a big prayer that this girl is safe somewhere tonight. I hope this publicity does not cause her any additional torment or end her life. I pray that LE gets many tips and that they identify the creep as soon as possible.http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/12/12_5_2.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNxdm824YYUS)

[Taximom]

well, it certainly wouldn't hurt to ask the investigators about it, if anyone is in touch with them.

Reannan.. no, I was referring to a photo of a little girl with straight dark brown hair, she had her head down, was laying sideways on a sofa, reading a book, wearing shorts & some kind of halter top.. looked like she was in a hotel. I think the investigators thought it might have been in Florida, or they found it near Disneyworld or something. It was in the news & on here too.. but like with most things,, I don't ever remember hearing the outcome. Anyone know what I'm talking about?



They did track him down I believe. She had been adopted from Russia by a single, divorced father that had also abused his own daughter. His bio-daughter now feels guilty because she knew of the adoption and wondered if he was abusing her, but never said anything.

The girl has been interviewed by Diane Sawyer, I think. Sorry, I don't remember the name though!

Sorry, I just saw Reannan's response-yes, that's the one!

[Reannan]

I think the handle bar looking thing under her right arm is a chair made from wrought iron - like a cafe chair of kitchen dinnette chair.

[SuziQ]

I don't think this little girl is a dwarf. She's too balanced. Dwarfs have normal size heads. And their faces age the same rate as the rest of us. I'm seeing a normal little girl that's about 4-6 years old. It's odd though, she doesn't look well in the face. Like she's exhausted. And to me she looks battered and unkempt. She doesn't look like she is starved though.

I think the other case someone is asking about is the one that ended up being the adopted girl from Russia and she's a teenager now.

[Tom'sGirl]

sorry.. I'm going too fast. I was responding to (was it you?) who said.. that doesn't mean there was sound on the tape. which is true, there's obviously a lot we don't know. I hope the cops realize that (as Taximom just said).. the more they get out there, the more CLUES people will have to go on!!

Also, they may have a photo showing exactly just what she seems to be holding in her right hand by what looks like a handle to something.

If the video show her being sexually assulted, they would have to have very close photos of both the victim, and the perp.

[2luvmy]

OK I think the reflection in the TV is the man laying on a couch with his arm underneath/behind his head.

I am also wondering if the girl has a cleft that has been repaired.

[philamena]

I don't know...how many naked dwarfs do you think they have seen? Also, with certain forms of dwarfism...they use hormone injections to retard the onset of puberty. The girl could certainly be much older and still have a body with a childlike appearance.

I personally don't think she's a dwarf because this little girl's arms look proportionate to her body. Dwarf's have short arms.

[Tom'sGirl]

I personally don't think she's a dwarf because this little girl's arms look proportionate to her body. Dwarf's have short arms.

Types of Short Stature

Most types of dwarfism are known as skeletal dysplasias, which are conditions of abnormal bone growth. They are divided into two types: short-trunk and short-limb dysplasias.

People with short-trunk dysplasia have a shortened trunk with longer limbs, whereas those with short-limb dysplasia have an average-sized trunk but small arms and legs.

[reb]

Just to clarify.. when I said starved, I mean malnourished.. i.e., you can be on an American fast food/ junk food diet and still be malnourished. She definitely doesn't look healthy.

[SieSie]

Finally read through the whole thread and I must get to bed. I wish I could've cleared up the pictures better.

Prayers for the little girl to be found and for all these perps to get justice (not that there's ever justice for what they've done to these innocent children!!!). :banghead:

[reb]

Thanks for all you did SieSie.. that was a difficult photo to work with! good night...

[Taximom]

Thanks, SieSie, you did a great job. I know it's appreciated by all here! :blowkiss: Sweet dreams.

[philamena]

Thank you Tom'sGirl! :blowkiss:

[Tom'sGirl]

Thank you Tom'sGirl! :blowkiss:

Back at ya!

[teonspaleprincess]

I have blown the pic up and studied it from every angle. I agree with the person who said that the reflection looked like a man's hand. That is what it appears to be to me. I think there must have been at least two other people there besides her, because I don't think the reflection is coming from the person who took the picture.

[Taximom]

What if that object on the left side of the picture (her right) is a children's chair? Not that it matters really....

Regarding her arm length, in typical children (and people) your elbow crease generally matches up with your waistline. Her arms are up a little, so it's hard to tell if something is going on there, or if they are "typical".

[reb]

Interesting info, Tom's Girl.. you never know. She could be afflicted with any number of things.. or, nothing.

[SeriouslySearching]

Cases like this are hard to walk away from and try to sleep.
Time for bed here, too. My eyes are deceiving me at this point. I don't know what I see anymore! G'nite!

[reb]

Goodnight, everyone who's going to bed. Great work!

[Taximom]

I think she'd have to be facing that person on the couch if they were taking this picture. It could just be a person laying on the couch, face-down, arm bent up under their chin, right? Perspective wise I'm trying to figure out what fits better...a man's hand or a person laying down.

Surely LE could figure that out, right? Whether or not there were two people in the room with her?

[philamena]

Just found this:
http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7122379

SNIP
Their only link, Darren Tuck, is not talking.:furious:
It is a desperate search to identify the girl, believed to be 4 or 5 years old.
Police fear she is still in the hands of a sexual predator.
The videotape shows the child being raped repeatedly and forced to pose in lingerie.
Investigators say it is evident from the tape that the girl is used to being victimized.
She shows no tears or emotion with every sexual assault.
:(:(:(:(:(

[philamena]

Everyone pray....I have a feeling if this pos still has this little girl and the case has gone nationwide, this child may loose her life. Pray, pray, pray that she will be found alive!

[Tom'sGirl]

Interesting info, Tom's Girl.. you never know. She could be afflicted with any number of things.. or, nothing.

I hate to bring a 'rank' topic up here, but there are many Porno sites dedicated to those with many type of physical traits other than the norm.

I somehow think this may be one intended for one of those sites, and even though I may have opened a can of worms, I do stand by my observation that this is not a child.

Nite all, will check in here in the morning......hugs to all.

[philamena]

Snip #2 from the above article:
No family member has yet to come forward or report a missing girl that matches her identity.
Tuck faces possession of child porn and promoting a sex act of a minor from showing the tape to people.
He could face life in prison.
This case is expected to be featured on America's Most Wanted.

[Taximom]

That proves he knows something then. So let him be in general population for a few hours and see if he'll barter talking about this crime with being separated from the rest when he serves his time.

I hope she's not dead. :(

:mad:

"She shows no tears or emotion" :mad: Oh, that's so horrible.

Thanks, philamena.

[teonspaleprincess]

Why isn't there a better picture of the pervert? Maybe this little girl has been hidden away and no one who knows about her cares enough to come forward? THey need to get a clearer shot of him out to the public.

[reb]

TG,, you may very well be right... who knows. Thanks for your keen observations. Good night!

[teonspaleprincess]

I am exhausted. I have to get up in 4 hours. I will check back in the morning. Goodnight all. Thank you for all of your hard work and the hours you dedicate to angels like this little girl.

[SuziQ]

I don't know if anyone has posted this thought yet. I don't think the perp intended to be caught on the video and maybe never realized he was. If you notice the difference between the victims pic and the perps pic. One is in color, the other is in black and white. I think his reflection was caught in a TV screen or something and that is why it looks the way it does. Otherwise we'd have a better pic like the victim. I think LE was able to enhance the tape and get that snippet.

[teonspaleprincess]

That would explain it Suzi. Good thinking.

[philamena]

omg READ THIS from the same article. It says Tuck is already out of jail. He's lawyered up.
The people he showed the tape to turned HIM into the cops.
http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7122379


Police say Tuck has had the tape since May and has shown it to other people during that time.

Those people contacted police, exposing a string of lies in Tuck's story.[/SIZE]

He has been arrested, and with no criminal record, released on his own recognizance.

With hundreds of tips coming in nationwide, there is still no link.

[Taximom]

Good night, teons. Sweet dreams.

[SuziQ]

I wonder if Tuck obtained the video while commiting a crime, such as burglary. He doesn't want to admit to the burglary and get charged with that too. Maybe LE can offer to waive the charges if it leads to wherever the tape came from. I can't believe Tuck is out of jail!

[Taximom]

What?! Tuck should be behind bars for child pornography!

[philamena]

The article said he was released on his own recognizance.

Does that mean he will get in touch the predator??? Will Tuck warn him?

[SuziQ]

The article said he was released on his own recognizance.

Does that mean he will get in touch the predator??? Will Tuck warn him?


Could be LE wants to see if Tuck does just that. Maybe there is a method to their madness?

[philamena]

THANK you SuziQ!
Maybe that's what they're doing.

[SuziQ]

THANK you SuziQ!
Maybe that's what they're doing.

lol, or we can hope they know what they are doing.

However Tuck obtained that video. He sure has a reason for not telling the truth. Sad, because it could be something so lame as stealing it out of someone's storage unit. And he could lead LE right to the perp and the little girl.

[docwho3]

As I said before, tuck was likely not being straight and needs to have his life examined under a microscope, his friends and acquaintances and everything.

". . . Police say Tuck has had the tape since May and has shown it to other people during that time.
Those people contacted police, exposing a string of lies in Tuck's story.. . ."
http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7122379

I sent the info on that blurry pic to christine and if she deems it worthy she can pass it on to the det. she is in contact with.

[Cherlee]

I am probably way off here, but something about this little girls face looks very similar to me. She was kidnapped last yr, and though she has black hair in this pic, her hair could have been changed.



http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1046382&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

[Fermi]

Hey all...great work :blowkiss: :blowkiss:
I have been a member here since the early Scooter days..and the days of the infamous crash...and so on and so on....
I read here all the time, but rarely post...
Anyhow...Reb...I think that the reflection in the tv is a man and he is holding a camera up with his right hand. Her head almost obscures this. I think while he was "posing" her his reflection got captured in the TV.
Also, I think what she is holding in her right hand is a Barbie doll? :waitasec:
One last thing....it looks to me like this is a hotel room and I am wondering if the "handle" by her right side is one of those pull-up handles on luggage.
Okay...one more one last thing...lol...I think she is a little girl (4-5) it is just the angle and quality of the picture that makes her appear older/deformed.
I will try to hop on my desktop (I'm on a laptop right now) and see if I can enhance this photo with one of my photoshop programs.
You guys are all so awesome and GREAT catch on the little nightgown :clap:
God suffer the little ones....
These cases hurt my soul :banghead:

[Tom'sGirl]

Well, got back up after watching a show and came back here to see if anything new had be found.

This case is all over our local news tonight, hopefully we will have more photos coming forth.

[SuziQ]

I am probably way off here, but something about this little girls face looks very similar to me. She was kidnapped last yr, and though she has black hair in this pic, her hair could have been changed.



http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=1046382&orgPrefix=NCMC&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=10