50/60 year old Amnesia Victim, Savannah, Ga area

[A.Wood]

I was not sure what to call the article. I posted a little bit of the article, go to the link to read more. I wonder why it took 3 years for anyone to talk about this man?! His picture is posted at the link also...


http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

He has no name.
He doesn't know his birth date.
He has no home and no job.
He's been called a vagrant, a bum and John Doe.
He wishes he knew more to counter those accusations, but he can't remember anything.
He calls himself a "real live nobody."

The only life he knows started shortly before 7 a.m. Aug. 31, 2004, when a former Burger King (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Burger+King+Corporation) manager found Kyle (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Benjaman+Kyle) lying next to a Dumpster behind the restaurant on U.S. (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=United+States) 17 in Richmond Hill (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Richmond+Hill), according to a police report.
Kyle (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Benjaman+Kyle) was naked and unresponsive. He was sunburned and covered in bites from fire ants, according to paramedics' reports.
The fast-food manager called police, who labeled the man with no name a "bum" and sent him off in an ambulance, the report stated.

[Taximom]

For pete's sake, they waited 3 years?? Poor guy.

[Taximom]

He should be asked to be treated like an illegal immigrant so he could get some type of ID! (a little sarcastic) I feel sorry for the guy that he can't get a decent job because of his amnesia.

I think it's cool that he's been looking on the internet for himself. It seems like people have been trying to ID him all these years afterall. I wish him well, and I'll keep looking too.

[hoppyfrog]

From http://savannahnow.com/node/364434

Kyle (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Benjaman+Kyle) said he remembers living in Indiana (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Indiana) and Colorado (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Colorado), but he doesn't know when or where. He has no memories of Richmond Hill (http://savannahnow.com/content/related?topic=Richmond+Hill) or any other place in the South.

Anyone want to check missing persons list in those two states?

Hoppy

[Synthia1021]

Possible??


http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200705109S

[Angie4b1g]

That guy didn't go missing til 2 years after this one was "found".

[Angie4b1g]

How about this one?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300485W

[Synthia1021]

Oops.. sorry.. got the dates wrong..

[aj1020]

This is fascinating! Here's a picture, just so we can "see" who we're looking for! :)

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k15/alisonrhae/202282929.jpg

[aj1020]

He looks like a good guy, ya know what I mean? Like not scary, not someone who would be living on the streets or would have run from home. He looks like someone's uncle or dad. :(

[meowy]

I think he looks a bit like this man, hard to compare when one is smiling and one is frowning. Looks a bit like the same eyebrows and nose maybe? 2 inch difference in height, but maybe when they filed this missing report they weren't exactly certain of Mr Stewart's height and they say Kyle is "about" 5 foot 11.. two abouts could be the same height.


Waymon Eugene Stewart
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401288S

[aj1020]

He looks possible, but he has no teeth:
Identifying Characteristics:Appendectomy scar, surgical scars on right thigh and hip, no teeth.

I would think they would mention that Kyle has no teeth. But that was 3 years ago, he could certainly have false teeth by now.

There's also something that looks a bit, umm, "skinny" (bad word choice, but I can't put my finger on it) about Mr. Stewart. Kyle looks bigger-boned, a little more hearty I think. Something is different between the two.

Good find though!

I think he looks a bit like this man, hard to compare when one is smiling and one is frowning. Looks a bit like the same eyebrows and nose maybe? 2 inch difference in height, but maybe when they filed this missing report they weren't exactly certain of Mr Stewart's height and they say Kyle is "about" 5 foot 11.. two abouts could be the same height.


Waymon Eugene Stewart
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401288S

[teonspaleprincess]

I saw a few that resembled this guy, but they all had tattoo's, and I didn't see any tattoo's or scars listed in the article. I am going to add him to my unidentified living persons on myspace.

[Angie4b1g]

He looks really familiar to me, but I say that with every unidentified living person. :doh:

[teonspaleprincess]

He looks really familiar to me, but I say that with every unidentified living person. :doh:

He reminded me of someone on tv, on some drama.

[Taximom]

He reminded me of someone on tv, on some drama.

Ugh, that was bothering me too, but I think I figured it out (for me anyway):
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1060/Events/1060/wi20001213_GeraldMcRaney_Granitz_131581.jpg.html?p ath=pgallery&path_key=McRaney,%20Gerald
Gerald McRaney

Well, if there's ever a movie done about this case, we know who could play Benjaman. :D

[Angie4b1g]

Oh wow you are right, he does look like Gerald McRaney!!

[Angie4b1g]

I guess we need to find out about tattoos/dental work/surgery scars/etc.

[lymom3]

I guess we need to find out about tattoos/dental work/surgery scars/etc.


I'd also like to know if he has any discernable accent.

[Bluecat]

I found three listings for missing men that have some characteristics that resemble those of this man.

Samuel Norris Campbell (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604457S)

Thomas Ray James (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502549S)

William Dale Lott (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502304S)

They all are around the right height. The second one went missing earlier the same month this man was found. Our John Doe is not listed in the unidentified persons area of NCMA. Also is not listed on the Doe Network site.

[Beyond Belief]

he has a very familiar face. I started seaching the missing persons by alphabet, but I am only on the D's.

[Beyond Belief]

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503449S

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300485W

[Taximom]

WOW, BB, that looks like a great match!!! I mean, just from the picture. Does everything else match? Eye color etc?

[Gina_M]

I saw a few that resembled this guy, but they all had tattoo's, and I didn't see any tattoo's or scars listed in the article. I am going to add him to my unidentified living persons on myspace.

Wow, poor guy. He does seem like a good guy. I hope he can find out who he is, or at least obtain a new SSN!

teonspaleprincess, what's your myspace link? I want to make sure I have it added to my friends :)

[Angie4b1g]

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503449S

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300485W

That 2nd one is the same one that I picked up on! They look very similar, I think!

[Beyond Belief]

Its says eye color black. BK definitely has blue eyes. Sure looks like him tho.
Also the pix of BK shows those lines between his eyes that you get from squinting. I wonder if he wore glasses.

[Gina_M]

I found three listings for missing men that have some characteristics that resemble those of this man.

Samuel Norris Campbell (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604457S)

Thomas Ray James (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502549S)

William Dale Lott (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502304S)

They all are around the right height. The second one went missing earlier the same month this man was found. Our John Doe is not listed in the unidentified persons area of NCMA. Also is not listed on the Doe Network site.

I'm not that great at noticing resemblances, but I think the first one here, Samuel Norris Campbell, has a resemblance to him. Missing since 1985, he would have aged quite a bit since then. Wish there was an age progression of the missing guy.

I hope Benjaman Kyle (John Doe) gets listed with the NCMA and the Doe Network, and has DNA put in CODIS. Anything to help find a match!

[Angie4b1g]

I did notice the "black" eyes, but that seems weird to me. Black eyes.

[Gina_M]

Yeah, I didn't think "black" was really an eye color. If someone has very dark eyes I would say "brown" or "dark brown".

[Salem]

How about this one?

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200300485W

I really like this guy - but, when I put the pictures side by side, I notice that the eyes, where the eyebrows are, are more "hooded" (not really the right word), the mustache grows differently and the shape of the bald part of the head is somewhat different. However, it sounds like BK has gained some weight if he is really 240 pounds. His picture sure doesn't look like 240, but I'm not good at guessing weights.

I think this picture is pretty close and is worth looking at further. There is an 8 year difference between the two pictures so it would be natural for there to be some physical changes in that time.

Just my 2 cents. Good find!

Salem

[teonspaleprincess]

Ugh, that was bothering me too, but I think I figured it out (for me anyway):
http://www.imdb.com/gallery/granitz/1060/Events/1060/wi20001213_GeraldMcRaney_Granitz_131581.jpg.html?p ath=pgallery&path_key=McRaney,%20Gerald
Gerald McRaney

Well, if there's ever a movie done about this case, we know who could play Benjaman. :D


Is that the guy who played the Major on some show? That is EXACTLY who he reminded me of.

[teonspaleprincess]

Wow, poor guy. He does seem like a good guy. I hope he can find out who he is, or at least obtain a new SSN!

teonspaleprincess, what's your myspace link? I want to make sure I have it added to my friends :)

myspace.com/can_u_help_identify_me (http://www.myspace.com/can_u_help_identify_me) :D

[meowy]

He doesn't look like the teacher I had really, but he reminds me of the English teacher I had in high school.

[dimples37398]

I think the Thomas Ray James one someone listed is a good possability. If something bad didn't happen to this Thomas guy and he was the one driving his car when it was found in KY then that shows he was heading south for some reason. Maybe he ran out of gas or something, car broke down.......he hitchhiked south to Florida with someone and either they mugged him and knocked him in the head or they dropped him off and someone else mugged him and left him there.

It doesn't sound to far fetched.....it says thomas james has a medical condition .....so maybe it could be him. The height and build are right. Hard to tell from the photo.....but adding a few years, it could be a match.

The Thomas James guy says brown balding hair...5'11-6'0 ....200lbs.....it says brown eyes, but it could be hazel or greenish brown maybe. Benjaman Kyle looks to me like he has green eyes from the one photo.

I think this could be a pretty good match. ......

[teonspaleprincess]

Hi everyone. I received a message on myspace today from someone who says that his registration here never goes through, but he wanted to post a picture of Ronald McNutt who is missing and known to have memory loss spells.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s287/itsjustapicture_T/McNutt_Ronald.jpghttp://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s287/itsjustapicture_T/mrrnobody.jpg

I do think they look similar. I am wondering if BK has tattoo's that aren't mentioned?

[Angie4b1g]

That looks like a fairly good match, too!!

[Gina_M]

Ronald Todd McNutt
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200401434S

Born in 1959, 6' tall, blonde hair, blue eyes, tattoo of eagle head on right arm.

http://www.carolesundfoundation.com/sections/missing?person=295

medical history of memory loss.

[Taximom]

Is that the guy who played the Major on some show? That is EXACTLY who he reminded me of.

Yes! Major Dad. I loved that show. I used to have a crush on him. :blushing:

He's married to Delta Burke (Designing Women).

[Beyond Belief]

Didn't this man show up in Savannah right before hurricanes Frances and Jeanne rolled into Florida? Seems like about August 28, 04 the news was talking alot about the first storm coming up the east coast. I am wondering if he headed up that way getting out of florida.

[SeriouslySearching]

Awww...Can I adopt him?! I don't know who he is...but I am willing to adopt him until we find out! LOL

[Angie4b1g]

SS, I had the same thought! LOL

We need to find out if this guy has tattoos. Maybe he'll find us since he's searching the internet for himself!

[Gina_M]

This guy needs to go on national TV and get his story out there. There was a similar case with a guy who showed up in Denver with no memory. He ended up going on Good Morning America, and a friend watching the show recognized him. Turned out to be Jeffrey Alan Ingram from Seattle. I have a blog about Jeffrey and a few other amnesia victims - added BK to it too, in the hopes that someone will recognize him:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=148979586&blogID=311164872

But I really think BK should go on national TV the way Jeffrey did.

[Gina_M]

BTW someone wrote me on MySpace in response to my bulletin...she also thinks he looks like Gerald McRaney. LOL! :D

[SeriouslySearching]

BTW someone wrote me on MySpace in response to my bulletin...she also thinks he looks like Gerald McRaney. LOL! :DI happen to think he is...I don't know...more of a golfer than Gerald M! We could only take him for a test run to see...well...we do have Southern Hills Golf course for that one and all. hehehe

I was thinking I need a penpal. Anyone have his addy?! LOL

Oh, Did I laugh? I was being serious. : )

[Angie4b1g]

I found this while scouring about today:

LOUIS BENJAMAN KYLE
GROVE - Louis Kyle, age 92, died at his home after a sudden illness. The son of Daniel M. and Katherine (Gurland) Kyle, he was born on January 9, 1909 in Festus, Mo. Louis was a member of the Moose Lodge in Grove. He worked as a machinist for McDonald Douglas and Boeing for 25 years, retiring at age 65 in 1984.
Survivors are: two children, Daniel Murry Kyle and Ila Lou Robbins; a brother, Ed Kyle Sr., and two grandsons, David and Daniel Kyle.
The funeral will be at 2 p.m. on Friday, August 24, in the Worley-Luginbuel Funeral Home. The interment will be in the Woodlawn Cemetery in Sand Springs. The services are under the directions of the Worley-Luginbuel Funeral Home in Grove.

I wonder if he could be Daniel? Although, if Louis Kyle was 92 in 2001, that would have made him 98 in 2007 - how old would his kids likely be? Maybe older than our guy, huh?

[Angie4b1g]

http://www.jcsd.org/images/Maty.jpg

Mark Arthur Maty
Birth Date: 03/20/1951
5'10" tall 150 lbs.
Blue Eyes, Blond Hair
Mark Maty disappeared on April 18, 1994 from his home in Pacific, Missouri and has not been seen or heard from since.


Not sure about the nose here, but this picture is at least 13 years old, and a lot can change.

[aj1020]

I found this while scouring about today:


I wonder if he could be Daniel? Although, if Louis Kyle was 92 in 2001, that would have made him 98 in 2007 - how old would his kids likely be? Maybe older than our guy, huh?




THAT gave me goosebumps! Even if Benjaman isn't his father, it could be his grandfather (Daniel's son) Where is this obituary from? Georgia? Fantastic find!

[Angie4b1g]

That obit was from Missouri.

[concernedperson]

Hi everyone. I received a message on myspace today from someone who says that his registration here never goes through, but he wanted to post a picture of Ronald McNutt who is missing and known to have memory loss spells.

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s287/itsjustapicture_T/McNutt_Ronald.jpghttp://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s287/itsjustapicture_T/mrrnobody.jpg

I do think they look similar. I am wondering if BK has tattoo's that aren't mentioned?

This guy looks like he could be the one. He was more robust in his younger years but a lot of the same twinkle in his eyes are there. Also, the hairline as it would naturally recede.

The one thing is I can't tell if that is a dimple in the younger man's chin or hair growth. The dimple is not apparent in the older man so that is where it could vary.

[benjamankyle]

Hello Synthia 1021:

I am a nurse who is trying to help Mr. Benjaman Kyle to get his identity back. First and foremost, Mr. Kyle and I would like to thank you for your interest in his case. We received an e-mail regarding your immediate response to the newspaper article. We would also like to express our gratitude to all of you out there in cyberspace who have taken an interest in Mr. Kyle's situation. It is so heartwarming to witness so much compassion in this world.

I noticed some very good questions so I am going to try to respond to them now: Mr. Kyle appears to be in his 50's. He has no tattoos. He has a scar across the front of the neck that is most likely from cervical disk surgery. He has two parallel scars on his left elbow and believes it pertains to reparative surgery on the elbow that most likely entails surgical implantation of pins and/or plates. He believes the elbow surgery dates back to his 20's and is not very clear about the cervical surgery timeframe. He is 5"11" and currently weighs approximately 240 pounds. He is a large-framed man. He would have had brown hair in the past but it is graying now with a receding hairline. His eyes are blue-green.

He was found unresponsive early in the morning of August 31, 2004 behind a Burger King located on Highway 17 in Richmond Hill, Georgia (directly across from U.S. Interstate 95 - exit 87). No identification was recovered on his person. To date, he has been unable to remember his name and where he comes from. However, He has memories of Indiana and Colorado. His accent is not native to Georgia. I am really no expert on accents so I am going to have to leave that one alone.

Mr. Kyle is well-mannered and probably received a good education. He comes across as very professional. He is of above-average intelligence and seems to possess a great deal of knowledge regarding restaurant buildings, supplies and equipment. He also seems to know a great deal about buildings in general. This may possibly relate to his career prior to his amnesia.

We have been checking the website for the National Center for Missing Adults to no avail. I have called many times and also attempted to register by e-mail including some digital photos in that e-mail. I never did get a response. I learned later that Hurricane Katrina placed a very heavy workload on them and that subsequent budget cuts to their program - which were quite significant - proved to be crippling to them.

If anyone out there knows any reputable and reliable websites that post missing and unidentified person photos please let me know. I have digital photos ready to be posted. Also, I am probably not as computer savvy as many of you are. Can you take his picture and post it on places like my space and you tube so it can get around all over and eventually be recognized by someone who can help to identify Mr. Kyle? I have additional photos that could prove helpful but I do not know how to post them to this site. Any help you can offer will be highly appreciated.

Thank you so much.

[benjamankyle]

Hello Synthia 1021:

I am a nurse who is trying to help Mr. Benjaman Kyle to get his identity back. First and foremost, Mr. Kyle and I would like to thank you for your interest in his case. We received an e-mail regarding your immediate response to the newspaper article. We would also like to express our gratitude to all of you out there in cyberspace who have taken an interest in Mr. Kyle's situation. It is so heartwarming to witness so much compassion in this world.

I noticed some very good questions so I am going to try to respond to them now: Mr. Kyle appears to be in his 50's. He has no tattoos. He has a scar across the front of the neck that is most likely from cervical disk surgery. He has two parallel scars on his left elbow and believes it pertains to reparative surgery on the elbow that most likely entails surgical implantation of pins and/or plates. He believes the elbow surgery dates back to his 20's and is not very clear about the cervical surgery timeframe. He is 5"11" and currently weighs approximately 240 pounds. He is a large-framed man. He would have had brown hair in the past but it is graying now with a receding hairline. His eyes are blue-green.

He was found unresponsive early in the morning of August 31, 2004 behind a Burger King located on Highway 17 in Richmond Hill, Georgia (directly across from U.S. Interstate 95 - exit 87). No identification was recovered on his person. To date, he has been unable to remember his name and where he comes from. However, He has memories of Indiana and Colorado. His accent is not native to Georgia. I am really no expert on accents so I am going to have to leave that one alone.

Mr. Kyle is well-mannered and probably received a good education. He comes across as very professional. He is of above-average intelligence and seems to possess a great deal of knowledge regarding restaurant buildings, supplies and equipment. He also seems to know a great deal about buildings in general. This may possibly relate to his career prior to his amnesia.

We have been checking the website for the National Center for Missing Adults to no avail. I have called many times and also attempted to register by e-mail including some digital photos in that e-mail. I never did get a response. I learned later that Hurricane Katrina placed a very heavy workload on them and that subsequent budget cuts to their program - which were quite significant - proved to be crippling to them.

If anyone out there knows any reputable and reliable websites that post missing and unidentified person photos please let me know. I have digital photos ready to be posted. Also, I am probably not as computer savvy as many of you are. Can you take his picture and post it on places like my space and you tube so it can get around all over and eventually be recognized by someone who can help to identify Mr. Kyle? I have additional photos that could prove helpful but I do not know how to post them to this site. Any help you can offer will be highly appreciated.

Thank you so much.

[SeriouslySearching]

It would be ideal if they could release an audio of his accent. People from certain parts of the country could place it and narrow down the search field perhaps. I have heard of people with amnesia developing a psuedo accent, but this may not pertain to him.

If there are pins or plates present in his elbow, would they not also contain numbers which could be traced? I don't know how one would go about obtaining the numbers short of exploratory surgery, but it is a thought.

Wouldn't it be clear in x-rays if he had a cervical repair on his neck? If not, could the surgery have been for other reasons such as thyroid? Has there been an effort to contact the AMA in possibly tracking down a surgeon who may have performed the work on either his neck or elbow?

[SeriouslySearching]

This man looks similar to him:
http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503385S

http://www.theyaremissed.org/gallery/photos/A200503385S_3380.jpg

I think he would do well with national exposure. We can start a letter writing campaign to get his story out to various news organizations and shows. I feel this would be a more immediate way to find out his true identity.

[lymom3]

What about the Today Show? This case is fascinating to me. I can't imagine what it must be like for him. I don't know if Mr. Kyle would want to put himself out there on national TV like that but millions of people would see his face that way. Somewhere there has to be someone that recognizes him. A neighbor, a business associate, a family member, someone.

Sorry SS. If I would have read your entire post instead of just looking at the picture I would have seen that you were on it already!

[SeriouslySearching]

The Today show is only one place to write to! Now where did I put that list we had of all the addresses and such? Maybe Indy has it. I will pm her.

I know he might be very anxious about going national, but it really is the best way. After all this time, he has rebuilt a life and is making new memories...but somewhere out there are people missing him.

Here is a story he should read:

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=37918&src=2

We also have a thread on that one: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53544

[Gina_M]

Hello Synthia 1021:

I am a nurse who is trying to help Mr. Benjaman Kyle to get his identity back.
~snip~
If anyone out there knows any reputable and reliable websites that post missing and unidentified person photos please let me know. I have digital photos ready to be posted. Also, I am probably not as computer savvy as many of you are. Can you take his picture and post it on places like my space and you tube so it can get around all over and eventually be recognized by someone who can help to identify Mr. Kyle? I have additional photos that could prove helpful but I do not know how to post them to this site. Any help you can offer will be highly appreciated.

Thank you so much.


Hello and thanks for joining us! I posted Mr. Kyle's picture in my MySpace blog about amnesia back in September:
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=148979586&blogID=311164872

I'd be glad to make a YouTube video with his photos...I'll send you a private message so we can exchange emails :)

[SeriouslySearching]

By the way, who is Synthia 1021?

[Synthia1021]

A fellow concerned sleuther! :0)

[SeriouslySearching]

Hello, Synthia!! I was just curious since I have not had the opportunity to meet you yet!! Welcome to WS~

It was a wonderful idea to write the nurse!! Great job!! I just wanted to say, "Thank You!!".

[Synthia1021]

Hello all.. Im usually here in hiding (cause I am working), I thought awhile back I would write to see if we could get more info on Ben, was so thrilled to here from his nurse! Could you please take a look at this missing person, I know his hair states blonde, but without the CA sun, maybe it went a little darker in the years he has been missing! What do you guys think?? Thanks

http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200503449S

[SeriouslySearching]

I did take a look, but if you will notice that Kyle has a very distinct nose. It is quite thin coming down the bridge and has an upward type flare of the nostrils. (Even if you lose/gain a lot of weight...it doesn't affect the way the nose is made.) I think this is one feature which will be very beneficial in helping figure out his true identity.

It would be great to reunite him with his family. I hope the nurse drops in again soon and can discuss with him about going national. I don't want to pursue it until we have his blessings.

[benjamankyle]

Hi Synthia 1021:

This is Benjaman's nurse. I just wanted to let you know thay Mr. Kyle was on the 6:00Pm news (WSAV-TV) on our local channel 3 in Savannah, Georgia tonight. Maybe you can check it out on their website. I recall someone asking about his accent - if you can play it back you may be able to learn more. The pictures of him may be better, too. It would be great to get that footage played on a national level. Please let me know if you get any feedback about him.

Thanks again.

[benjamankyle]

Hello Gina:

This is Benjaman's nurse. Thank you for your kind welcome. Please check out the news station WSAV-TV for 10/15/07. The 6:00Pm news profiled Mr. Kyle. I hope you will be able to view the whole clip - it will show more angles of him than the one photo in the newspaper article from September and if you can pick up sound you will be able to hear his regional accent.
Can we get that clip out there in cyberspace? Please let me know if there is anything I can be doing to help get him recognized by his loved ones.

Thank you kindly.

[benjamankyle]

Dear SS:

Thank you for your help. This man, Defoe, is not Mr. Kyle. Mr. Kyle is 5'11" and 240 pounds. He has a large frame. So far we have checked out all the photos on the NCMA webite. Do you know when is the last time they posted anything new? Also, do you know any other reliable websites that I can be looking at?

Thanks again.
Benjaman's nurse

[dottierainbow]

Here is the link to the video. http://www.wsav.com/midatlantic/sav/news.apx.-content-articles-SAV-2007-10-15-0025.html

He sounds like a Hoosier to me and I think I've seen his face before.
Indy Gal or any other Hoosier, what do you think about us sending the link to WTHR, WRTV, WISHTV?

[dottierainbow]

Ok. I sent an email to Jim Scott WishTv channel 8 and a link to the video of amnesia victim.

[dottierainbow]

http://indianamissingadults.com/default.asp

Here is some missing Adults in Indiana. One is Walter Smith A.K.A. TOM who is missing from Shelby County which is where I'm from. He was missing I believe from FlatRock Area.

[MaconChange]

Benjamin was found in August 2004 so the dates won't work with Walter Smith.

[aj1020]

Here is the link to the video. http://www.wsav.com/midatlantic/sav/news.apx.-content-articles-SAV-2007-10-15-0025.html

He sounds like a Hoosier to me and I think I've seen his face before.
Indy Gal or any other Hoosier, what do you think about us sending the link to WTHR, WRTV, WISHTV?

I think he sounds Coloradoan too - it's hard to pinpoint a specific state, but he definitely doesn't sound like he's been in the south for a huge part of his life, nor does he sound North Eastern.

Prayers to find your identity, Mr. Kyle, you've been on my mind lately!

[dottierainbow]

No, he couldn't be Mr. Smith. I was just saying I saw that he was from my county. He has brown eyes too.

[Gina_M]

Accent sounds "rural Midwest" to me. He pronounces "Indianapolis" the same way I do (I'm from Chicago), but most of his speech has a sort of rural "twang" to it. Anyone know if it's possible to extract the video and post it elsewhere?

[Gina_M]

Hello Gina:

This is Benjaman's nurse. Thank you for your kind welcome. Please check out the news station WSAV-TV for 10/15/07. The 6:00Pm news profiled Mr. Kyle. I hope you will be able to view the whole clip - it will show more angles of him than the one photo in the newspaper article from September and if you can pick up sound you will be able to hear his regional accent.
Can we get that clip out there in cyberspace? Please let me know if there is anything I can be doing to help get him recognized by his loved ones.

Thank you kindly.

Hi and thanks for your reply. I'm glad to see that Mr. Kyle was on the local news. I will post this link on MySpace.

Did you get my email and/or private message? In your original post you mentioned having additional photos of Mr. Kyle. If you could send these to me by email, I could use them to put together a video.

[Gina_M]

Just had another thought - maybe someone could make a MySpace profile for Mr. Kyle.

[benjamankyle]

Dear Dottie Rainbow:

Thank you for the link. Yes, we would be ever so grateful if you could get him on the news.

[benjamankyle]

Thanks again.

[benjamankyle]

Hi again,

We have checked Walter Smith. Sorry, no match yet - but we're one step closer.

Thanks.

[benjamankyle]

I just tried to register him on indianamissingadults.com, illinoismissingadults.com, wisconsinmissingadults.com, and coloradomissingadults.com. I attached a photo. Let's see if they pick it up.

Thanks to everyone for all your help.

P.S. (I checked out the americasmissingadults.com and they charge $49.95. I hope the others are free.)

[KT Can]

I can't imagine what it must be like for Mr. Kyle, being stuck in limbo & unable to move forward that is. I will send a barrage of emails to different media outlets, hopefully with all of our help someone will decide his story is worthy of national exposure like we think it is. Someone, somewhere knows him.

[MaconChange]

I've been searching all night....does this look like a possibility? I realize the weight and height aren't exact but my husband pointed out that sometimes people leave the same weight and height on their license even after they've gained weight....and as people get older they lose inches in height.

http://www.nampn.org/cases/barros_benjamin.html

[SuziQ]

I found three listings for missing men that have some characteristics that resemble those of this man.

Samuel Norris Campbell (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200604457S)

Thomas Ray James (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502549S)

William Dale Lott (http://www.theyaremissed.org/ncma/gallery/ncmaprofile_all.php?A200502304S)

They all are around the right height. The second one went missing earlier the same month this man was found. Our John Doe is not listed in the unidentified persons area of NCMA. Also is not listed on the Doe Network site.

I keep coming back to Samuel Norris Campbell. It says he's got a scar on his neck.

ETA: But the eye color is wrong.

[Gina_M]

Here are the additional photos of Mr. Kyle (sorry if they're too big)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle4.jpg

[SeriouslySearching]

I believe he is either from Colorado or maybe even Oklahoma...because being from NE Oklahoma...I don't detect any accent at all. He sounds like one of us. LOL

I think the new photos and the sound bites will move his case along. I will send letters to our local stations here in Tulsa and OKC. If we can get widespread coverage with local and national media attention, I honestly don't think it will take long to find out where he belongs.

His elbow surgery interests me. Does he recall playing any sports where he could have gotten the injury or developed an injury over time? Has he shown any "natural" abilities or a keen interest in any one sport?

I can also try to contact the Arch Diocese in Colorado to see if it is possible for them to aid in this. Perhaps they can include him in newsletters throughout the area.

[Gina_M]

I took some screen caps from the news video too:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle5.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle6.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle8.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/ginad42/BenjamanKyle10.jpg

[benjamankyle]

Thank you so much.

[SeriouslySearching]

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/BenjamanKyle4.jpghttp://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/BenjamanKyle5.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/BenjamanKyle1.jpg http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/BenjamanKyle2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/BenjamanKyle3.jpg

[Al_B]

I will send the video to the Indy stations and pray they will air them. I didn't really notice an accent either how does he say they word wash I know here they dont have the southern accent but they still say it with an r or at least some people do

[Gina_M]

I've heard wash pronounced as "warsh" from people from Maryland, Indiana and Missouri. Not sure how indicative it is of a particular area :waitasec:

[Gina_M]

Here's the video I put together:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym30i3BUXWg

I also made Benjaman my current profile pic on MySpace and have been sending out bulletins
http://www.myspace.com/missinginplainsight

[Al_B]

r washr "warsh"r oilr "oirl"r boilr "boirl"
(Inserting an r in words like the above is typical of the southern Midland, especially the Ohio River basin, including southwestern Pennsylvania, southern portions of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, and parts of the "Border States" to the south.)

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bender/chklst.html


doesm't mean anything but who knows

I did get the video e mailed out to the news stations

[phenolred]

wow I live in Indianapolis and I just saw this on the news here this morning. He thinks he has ties here in Indy. I feel so sorry for him. He said he spends time going through missing persons sites hoping he is on there how sad. He said when he got his sight back he was so surprised at how old he was LOL..... I will defanately help out with this case...

[Al_B]

wow I live in Indianapolis and I just saw this on the news here this morning. He thinks he has ties here in Indy. I feel so sorry for him. He said he spends time going through missing persons sites hoping he is on there how sad. He said when he got his sight back he was so surprised at how old he was LOL..... I will defanately help out with this case...
which channel?

[phenolred]

it was on channel 13 this morning wthr......The first I heard of it so I jumped right on here to see if there were any disscussions about him...Great job getting it on

[phenolred]

its on their website now here is a link...

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7218919

[Al_B]

cool it made it on! I hope someone knows him!

[teonspaleprincess]

DH and I both listened to it twice and think he sounds like he is from the mid-west somewhere. Definately not a southern accent or one from way out west like Cali.

[lymom3]

Doesn't sound like he's from farther north either like Wisconsin or Minnesota. That has a disctinctive sound as well.

[KT Can]

Great news about the Indiana news! I hope he gets some answers soon! BK does have a disctinctive sound as well as a distinctive look, he's someone I could almost swear I've seen before, but I'm sure that's just wishful thinking on my part.

[Al_B]

I sent the link to the Ft.Wayne Station just to be safe. Hope they pick it up too and the other2 indy stations

[Synthia1021]

Just added to the Doe Network..wow! that was quick!

Link:

http://www.doenetwork.org/

its case number 1007umga

[KT Can]

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/mpch/mpdetails.asp?id='M10/17/200110:11:36AM'

Not the best pictures & the height/weight are a little off but I don't always trust those. That info is usually given by whoever reported them missing & who knows how many people get that right.

[aj1020]

r washr "warsh"r oilr "oirl"r boilr "boirl"
(Inserting an r in words like the above is typical of the southern Midland, especially the Ohio River basin, including southwestern Pennsylvania, southern portions of Ohio, Indiana, and Illinois, and parts of the "Border States" to the south.)

http://www2.hawaii.edu/~bender/chklst.html


doesm't mean anything but who knows

I did get the video e mailed out to the news stations


I'm afraid we might be getting a bit hung up on his accent (or lack there of) pointing to a specific location - my dad and my husband both say warsh (as in "I'm going to warsh the dishes") and it drives me BONKERS ;) ("there's no R in wash..." I tell them). But they're both from Nebraska. I think his accent sounds very mid-American - but the lack of a specific accent could point to anywhere from Nevada to Ohio.

Also - he could have grown up and lived the better part of his life in "mid-America" and then moved to somewhere with an indigenous, more obvious accent - Georgia, Texas, Boston, etc. He could be reported missing from anywhere if that was his last known location.

Benjaman looks like he could be my uncle - maybe we can adopt him until he finds his own family. :p

[Synthia1021]

I was going to ask about adopting also.. ha ha

[aj1020]

I was having a thought (be careful, they're few and far between :p ).

What if we each sent an email out to our circle of family and friends with Mr. Kyle's picture and a short blurb about him, and include LE contact information? I don't want to create a negative impression of Mr. Kyle through a series of forwards, but a single, well-timed email that our friends and colleagues might take a minute to forward might mean the difference in this case.

I'm just thinking back to an email I got last week about a litter of 6 puppies who were found on a gravel road. The original sender wanted to find homes for them, and by noon that day I had received the email a couple times - but all the puppies were placed by early that afternoon. Maybe that was an isolated incident, but it seems like the good in people usually comes through to rally around a cause.

What do you think?

[Synthia1021]

I think its a wonderful idea.. and certainly couldn't hurt!

[kaylenbabysims]

Height/weight way off... but thought I'd post this just in case ;)

Jerald M. Gelb

http://projectjason.org/downloads/comehome005JeraldGelb.pdf

[aj1020]

Okie - I sent the email to lots of friends and family. As I was adding people, I realized how many people I know in different geographical regions of the US. So hopefully we'll get his picture out there and someone will recognize him!! Please PM me if you want a copy of the email, I can forward it to you to pass along.

I'm feeling hopeful today! :woohoo:

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm afraid we might be getting a bit hung up on his accent (or lack there of) pointing to a specific location - my dad and my husband both say warsh (as in "I'm going to warsh the dishes") and it drives me BONKERS ;) ("there's no R in wash..." I tell them). But they're both from Nebraska. I think his accent sounds very mid-American - but the lack of a specific accent could point to anywhere from Nevada to Ohio.

Also - he could have grown up and lived the better part of his life in "mid-America" and then moved to somewhere with an indigenous, more obvious accent - Georgia, Texas, Boston, etc. He could be reported missing from anywhere if that was his last known location.

Benjaman looks like he could be my uncle - maybe we can adopt him until he finds his own family. :pI disagree on being hung up on his accent. I think it is quite telling as to his origins. It wouldn't matter where he was reported missing if someone knew him from where he came from 20 years or more ago. It would be a name and a starting point.

I already have dibs on the adoption tho....try page two post #40. LOL :crazy:

[SeriouslySearching]

Okie - I sent the email to lots of friends and family. As I was adding people, I realized how many people I know in different geographical regions of the US. So hopefully we'll get his picture out there and someone will recognize him!! Please PM me if you want a copy of the email, I can forward it to you to pass along.

I'm feeling hopeful today! :woohoo:This worries me as most people see those forwarded cases as hoaxes. This could propose a problem for credibility of this case.

[aj1020]

This worries me as most people see those forwarded cases as hoaxes. This could propose a problem for credibility of this case.

That was my only concern - however I think it's worth the risk. I included a link to the doenetwork page in my email, so readers could verify the validity of the case. I'm crossing my fingers that those with concerns will do their research before dismissing it.

Two things will happen when someone reads the email - either they'll forward it or they won't. If they don't forward it, then we're not out anything. Plus that's one more person who will have seen his face.

[aj1020]

.

I already have dibs on the adoption tho....try page two post #40. LOL :crazy:

Maybe we can share him - he can have Thanksgiving dinner with me, and then you can let him visit for the holidays. :) Mr. Kyle, are you reading this? Do you care if we pass you around?? :waitasec:

[SeriouslySearching]

I sent his story, information, and links to our news media, so hopefully they will pick it up. I noticed the one thing we are lacking is a direct link to Mr. Kyle to be included in our letters. I think the news media will find this troubling in such a story because it will mean they have to go through the Savannah media to obtain this.

Our credibility is on the line here, too. We need to provide them with accurate information.

[aj1020]

I sent his story, information, and links to our news media, so hopefully they will pick it up.

Good deal! I really really wish GMA, The Early Show, or The Today Show would pick this story up, he needs some national, blanketing coverage.

[aj1020]

I sent his story, information, and links to our news media, so hopefully they will pick it up. I noticed the one thing we are lacking is a direct link to Mr. Kyle to be included in our letters. I think the news media will find this troubling in such a story because it will mean they have to go through the Savannah media to obtain this.

Our credibility is on the line here, too. We need to provide them with accurate information.

I agree - I replied too fast! :)

On the doenetwork site, there's a link to the Savannah FBI with a contact # - maybe we can share that. That's the contact info I put in my email.

[aj1020]

from: http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1007umga.html

Investigators
If you have any information about this case please contact:
FBI - Savannah, GA
Bill Kirkconnell
912-232-3716
You may remain anonymous when submitting information.

[SeriouslySearching]

For a news story, I don't know if they will want to contact the FBI as opposed to contacting him personally or his spokesperson, as the case may be.

[SeriouslySearching]

Good deal! I really really wish GMA, The Early Show, or The Today Show would pick this story up, he needs some national, blanketing coverage.They are good avenues for starters, but CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc. will rerun the piece in intervals instead of just once which happens on the early morning shows.

[aj1020]

For a news story, I don't know if they will want to contact the FBI as opposed to contacting him personally or his spokesperson, as the case may be.

True - I thought you were looking for credibility. The FBI is more credible than Savannah area media, IMO.

[KT Can]

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

Longshot, but worth a look.

[KT Can]

http://www.dps.state.ak.us/ast/abi/graphics/Kephart.pdf

Another longshot...

[SeriouslySearching]

True - I thought you were looking for credibility. The FBI is more credible than Savannah area media, IMO.No, what I am talking about is when you ask news media to do a story on a person that is not a criminal, you normally provide them with direct access to that person instead of the FBI or another news organization. I am not saying the FBI isn't credible, but I don't know they want to bother with the media at this point. Before his story goes national...Mr. Kyle needs to either set up a way to contact him or he needs to appoint someone to be a spokesperson on his behalf to handle the media blitz. The nurse seems to be willing to fill this role in some capacity, but is she capable of handling things if they become national?

[Al_B]

forward the interview to all the morning shows along with his doenetwork and other unidentified pages. If everyone does it thsy might just air his story

[SeriouslySearching]

forward the interview to all the morning shows along with his doenetwork and other unidentified pages. If everyone does it thsy might just air his storyThey will want to set up their OWN interviews with Mr. Kyle!!

[Al_B]

his nurse should know I would think maybe she can answer that for us. I also think sometimes they can contact the local affiliates of stations and pick up story and contact information

[aj1020]

My point IS...they will want to set up their OWN interviews with Mr. Kyle!! So how do they go about it?!

I would THINK the Savannah news outlets could give the national media Mr. Kyle's contact info if they need it to set up the necessary interviews - I don't think WE need to be the ones to do so. If the nurse or Mr. Kyle himself are not capable of handling all the contacts, I'm sure they will find someone to do it.

[Mark Franzeo]

I am not so sure he is that much of a long shot after all. I mean he is the right height, right hair and eye color, the right age range and close to the right weight. The thing that gets me is the nose. They both have that same very distinctive nose and the mustache looks alot alike too. Out of all the missing persons I viewed so far this is actually the best match from a information and looks stand point. Now there is the thought no one is missing him and he has no family left. At that age, if he got divorced or never married at all or never had any kids, it is entirely possible that he has no family left. It is a very sad thought but entirely possible too.

[concernedperson]

I am not so sure he is that much of a long shot after all. I mean he is the right height, right hair and eye color, the right age range and close to the right weight. The thing that gets me is the nose. They both have that same very distinctive nose and the mustache looks alot alike too. Out of all the missing persons I viewed so far this is actually the best match from a information and looks stand point. Now there is the thought no one is missing him and he has no family left. At that age, if he got divorced or never married at all or never had any kids, it is entirely possible that he has no family left. It is a very sad thought but entirely possible too.

I agree there are a lot of similarities in the two. Aging changes a lot but the nose is awfully close IMO.All I can see is his bottom lip but it fits.

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

[KT Can]

Are we moving to a new thread??? I saw that another one was started.....

[KT Can]

It was mentioned that perhaps Mr. Kyle was on a business trip to or through the area when the the event that caused his amnesia took place, so I thought it might be helpful to know what the major industries are in & around that area.....

http://www.savannahchamber.com/relocation/business.shtml

http://www.richmondhillga.com/

http://www.citytowninfo.com/places/georgia/richmond-hill

[SuziQ]

Another odd thing, wouldn't his employer notice he was missing? Why is no one looking for him? Maybe there are people who are missing him, but they are missing him in another Country. Far fetched, but maybe his last know place was in a foreign country for work and people known to him assume he went missing there. Unknownst to them he had returned to the US and met with misadventure here. Does that make sense?

This case is driving me nuts. I can only imagine how Benjaman must feel!

[SuziQ]

Here is a database that lists international missing. I didn't see any matches. But Benjamin might want to get his picture into them, just in case.

http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/areyoumissing/

[dimples37398]

What about this one???

http://www.isp.state.id.us/mp_viewer/showMissingPerson.action?id=M314638336

[SeriouslySearching]

What about this one???

http://www.isp.state.id.us/mp_viewer/showMissingPerson.action?id=M314638336
That guy is 6'3" so it can't be him.

[Gina_M]

Jacksonville, FL
Three Years After Memory Loss, Georgia Man Continues Search For Real ID
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/strange/news-article.aspx?storyid=93641


Atlanta, GA
Man With Amnesia Starts New Life
http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=104800

[LMax]

I noticed CNN also has the video. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/offbeat/2007/10/17/pratt.amnesia.man.cnn

[Al_B]

good deal there hopefully someone will identify him like they did the other guy
(http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2006/10/21/bowman.amnesia.gut.speaks.kdvr.kdvr other guy)

[phenolred]

Good Morning All, I wanted to let you know that I saw his story in a very quick little spot on the local fox station here in Indianapolis last night on the 10 o'clock news... Fox 59

I also sent out an email and I sent out a bulletin on myspace

[dimples37398]

If anyone had to guesstimate.....what time frame should we search for missing persons?

I don't know how long he was missing or whatever before being found behind the burger king? Any suggestions? I have been searching all morning but can't find but a couple that went missing around the same time he was found.

Kel

[lymom3]

His video is on CNN's main page this morning. Here's to hoping!

[aj1020]

Good Morning All, I wanted to let you know that I saw his story in a very quick little spot on the local fox station here in Indianapolis last night on the 10 o'clock news... Fox 59

I also sent out an email and I sent out a bulletin on myspace

Yay!! Hopefully a news outlet with wider coverage (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc.) will pick it up if there is enough interest!

[aj1020]

If anyone had to guesstimate.....what time frame should we search for missing persons?

I don't know how long he was missing or whatever before being found behind the burger king? Any suggestions? I have been searching all morning but can't find but a couple that went missing around the same time he was found.

Kel

ehh. That's a hard one. The amnesia "spell" could have started months before he was found if he went missing and then was just aimlessly wandering around before the attack. I tend to think his amnesia was onset due to the attack, so I would think he would have known who he was up until that point. If that was the case, more than likely he would have been reported missing in the days or weeks surrounding August 31, 2004. Who knows how long he wasy lying behind the Burger King, too. BUT, this is all purely conjecture on my part though.

He may not have had family or friends at all, and he may NEVER have been reported missing. :( I'm hoping that's not the case, and someone, somewhere out there is waiting for him.

[SeriouslySearching]

I began searching on the date he was found have gone backwards on different sites so far. I searched one site last night back to 2000. (Took four hours and found nothing except many, many missing people other than BK.)

While it is reasonable to believe the amnesia occurred due to the attack, there simply isn't any way to know.

I found the good link to the story about the man with amnesia who was found by his wife after 12 years. Here it is: http://www.dailyherald.com/story/print/?id=37918

~snipped from the article above~
According to Dr. Kathy Borchardt, director of neuropsychology at Central DuPage Hospital's Neurosciences Institute in Winfield, retrograde amnesia is unusual. A case that lasts for several years is "extremely rare," she said.
An individual who suffers amnesia due to a head injury typically loses the memories immediately after the trauma, said Borchardt, who has never treated Hyzy. And most cases of memory loss are resolved in three to six months, she said. But many mysteries still surround the brain.
"Memory is not a simple process," she said. "There's a lot we still don't know about head injuries and amnesia."
Different memories involve different areas of the brain and separate pathways between those areas. Name recognition, for example, is processed differently than relational memory, such as knowing who your wife is.

[aj1020]

Which sites have you all searched? I was on the NCMA site earlier today, but also found nothing remotely similar. I wish wish wish there was just one consistant site for the missing. Until then, we'll keep digging...

[Synthia1021]

just to let everyone know.. I searched all of www.missingadultsmap.com (http://www.missingadultsmap.com) for every state starting yesterday and finished today, everything I thought was a good lead, I forwarded to BKs nurse. I went back as far as 1997 just to be safe. I started on NCMA, for each state, viewing every last name, every pic that remotely resembles BK, and also any names with Benjamin.. its a long, slow process and more eyes are best! Good luck, lets find his family!

[SeriouslySearching]

Great work! However, I would prefer we discuss them here instead of forwarding them on to the nurse. If we weed out the ones we feel either are not applicable or don't match...we can alleviate some of the pressure on her.

I went through the North American Missing Persons Network (www.nampn.org (http://www.nampn.org/)) for hours last night. While it isn't the best of sites for searching (you have to click on every name to get any info), I went back as far as 2000...so I have more to go on that site today.

I think we can forgo NCMC/NCMA as they have already searched diligently and found nothing there.

[MaconChange]

I've become obsessed with this case....I searched again this afternoon....check this one out....

http://www.dse.vd.ch/police/communique_presse/2005/051120.htm

[Synthia1021]

I did post them here also.. sorry I wasn't clear about that in my post :0) .. only had a couple that I thought might be or could be him..

[aj1020]

What about Thomas Ray James? http://www.nampn.org/cases/james_thomas_ray.html BlueCat mentioned him earlier, and I think he's a possibility. He's from Michigan, but his car was found in Kentucky.

I was searching at nampn.org also, I searched April - September, 2004 and he's the only one I felt was close enough to post.

[aj1020]

It drives me crazy when people don't put pictures of their missing loved ones. This guy fits the height/weight, but who knows if it's him??

Timothy A Felton http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=19

[SeriouslySearching]

I've become obsessed with this case....I searched again this afternoon....check this one out....

http://www.dse.vd.ch/police/communique_presse/2005/051120.htm Gosh, I wish I spoke French! LOL I think the eyebrows are set higher, haircoloring is much darker plus the guys ears stick out a lot more, IMO. The shape of his face is good tho. : )

[SeriouslySearching]

It drives me crazy when people don't put pictures of their missing loved ones. This guy fits the height/weight, but who knows if it's him??

Timothy A Felton http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=19 BK's hair isn't gray tho. It does match everything else quite well. Did you try doing a search on his name and last location? Maybe he is listed on other sites or they have one set up for him somewhere.

[SeriouslySearching]

What about Thomas Ray James? http://www.nampn.org/cases/james_thomas_ray.html BlueCat mentioned him earlier, and I think he's a possibility. He's from Michigan, but his car was found in Kentucky.

I was searching at nampn.org also, I searched April - September, 2004 and he's the only one I felt was close enough to post. Yes, I saw him too...his nose seems too wide and his eyes are brown.

[SeriouslySearching]

I agree there are a lot of similarities in the two. Aging changes a lot but the nose is awfully close IMO.All I can see is his bottom lip but it fits.

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473 I like this one. He does resemble him a lot.

[Gina_M]

I've become obsessed with this case....I searched again this afternoon....check this one out....

http://www.dse.vd.ch/police/communique_presse/2005/051120.htm

According to babelfish, here is what the French text says:

Mr. Ferenc MAYER, born 21.08.1951 the, originating one in Lausanne, doctor for the ICRC, disappeared since the 18.12.2001. It was then in Pretoria, in South Africa. Description: 177 cm, white race, mean stoutness, blue eyes, carry a scar on the upper lip and the thigh of the left leg. Us prions people in measurement to provide us an indication about disappeared to agree to inform the municipal Police force of Lausanne to the telephone number 021 315 15 15 or it police station nearest.

[aj1020]

BK's hair isn't gray tho. It does match everything else quite well. Did you try doing a search on his name and last location? Maybe he is listed on other sites or they have one set up for him somewhere.

Unfortunately not that I can find. The only place Timothy Felton is listed is the Iowa missing person's page.

[aj1020]

I like this one. He does resemble him a lot.

I do too, it's an old picture, and he's been missing for 22 years, but the mid-face region looks strikingly similar to Mr. Kyle.

[SeriouslySearching]

I do too, it's an old picture, and he's been missing for 22 years, but the mid-face region looks strikingly similar to Mr. Kyle.I guess we can only wait to hear if they have already ruled him out. : )

[marysawol]

BK's hair isn't gray tho. It does match everything else quite well. Did you try doing a search on his name and last location? Maybe he is listed on other sites or they have one set up for him somewhere.

BK's hair is gray. His mustache is brown with a touch of gray in it too.

http://www.wsav.com/midatlantic/sav/news.apx.-content-articles-SAV-2007-10-15-0025.html

[KT Can]

I have searched a million sites, literally! :banghead: Can you say obsessed? I have searched through the Texas DPS Missing Persons Clearinghouse, California DOJ Missing Persons, and almost every state that had an offical state or police missing persons website. I've also searched tons of local police departments from Florida to Ohio to Washington and beyond as well as all the regular missing persons websites such as Charley Project, DoeNetwork, etc. I've gone back as far as the 80's because you never know, hence William Herbert Pear. Anyone I've found who could be a potential match I've posted on this thread. BK has a very distinctive look and sad to say, I can't help but wonder if anyone has even reported him missing. On the bright side though, I am soooo glad that the major media outlets are starting to pick his story up, hopefully he'll have some answers soon!

[concernedperson]

I like this one. He does resemble him a lot.

I hope his nurse takes a close look at the site as I feel it could be him.Adding the link.

http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=4819314830473

[SeriouslySearching]

BK's hair is gray. His mustache is brown with a touch of gray in it too.

http://www.wsav.com/midatlantic/sav/news.apx.-content-articles-SAV-2007-10-15-0025.html I don't consider his hair to be gray. I would consider it to certainly be brown with some graying...but definitely not gray. When he went missing in 2004 or before, it would have been even more brown, imo.

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/SeriouslySearching/BenjamanKyle7.jpg

[Mark Franzeo]

I looked at William's picture again tonight and I noticed something. Look closely at the left side of his face. Blow up the picture if possible. Doesn't that look like a indentation on the left lower cheek? Much like Mr. Kyle's puncture wound? Now if only we could get a picture of William's left side or talk to anyone that knew him to see if he had that mark. Also, He was last seen leaving where he worked. I wonder what profession he was in?

[Spazkat9696]

I looked at William's picture again tonight and I noticed something. Look closely at the left side of his face. Blow up the picture if possible. Doesn't that look like a indentation on the left lower cheek? Much like Mr. Kyle's puncture wound? Now if only we could get a picture of William's left side or talk to anyone that knew him to see if he had that mark. Also, He was last seen leaving where he worked. I wonder what profession he was in?


I think they look a like. His hair could have grayed in the past 3 years. It would be nice to have a shot of him with out a mustache just to see what he looks like with out it. Facial hair can make a huge difference in appearance.

[Gina_M]

Doe Network and Charley Project mention something about him possibly hitchhiking to Long Beach or San Diego from Morro Bay (Morro Bay is up north). Wish we could find more information.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/pear_william.html
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/681dmca.html

[SeriouslySearching]

We can. Who wants to write to the Morrow Bay Police Department? LOL (That is AFTER we run this by the nurse and Benjaman...that is.)

[concernedperson]

We can. Who wants to write to the Morrow Bay Police Department? LOL (That is AFTER we run this by the nurse and Benjaman...that is.)

I think this does need to be done sooner than later.JMO.

[SeriouslySearching]

OK...well, go for it! I just thought maybe they had already checked with Morrow Bay and had this one ruled out is all. : )

[SeriouslySearching]

I choose to believe he has family and a life to return to. Maybe it is my optimistic side, but everyone has someone. They might not be blood relatives. They might be friends who adore him. Or...as in the case of Jon missing from NV...perhaps LE refused to classify him as missing and instead decided he was an adult who chose on his own to leave. In any event, I want to believe he will find the ones who love him and would give anything to see him again. I guess I am a born romantic.

[concernedperson]

I choose to believe he has family and a life to return to. Maybe it is my optimistic side, but everyone has someone. It might not be blood relatives. It might be friends who adore him. Or...as in the case of Jon missing from NV...perhaps LE refused to classify him as missing and instead decided he was an adult who chose on his own to leave. In any event, I want to believe he will find the ones who love him and would give anything to see him again. I guess I am a born romantic.

That is a good thing.

[Gina_M]

I agree, he seems like such a sweet guy, he must have someone out there who cares about him. Perhaps LE never filed an official missing persons report, or perhaps his family presumed him deceased for some reason. I am hoping this will be a heartwarming reunion story, similar to this one:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53544
(Thanks for bumping that up, SS!)

I also thought it might be a good idea to search websites related to the restaurant industry, for any mention of a missing person. Benjaman says he has a lot of knowledge in that area and may have worked in the restaurant industry. Even if he wasn't officially listed as a missing person, someone out there has to be wondering what happened to him.

[SeriouslySearching]

It is a good idea to search everywhere in fields he could be related to. Maybe we also need to check college sites for missing alumni. Architecture, Civil Engineering, or General Contracting would be other fields to check into since they mentioned his knowledge of buildings, etc.

[KT Can]

Just a thought, maybe BK remembers the name "Benjaman" because it was the name of a town he lived in.....

Benjamin, TX
Benjamin, MO
Benjamin, PA
Benjamin, UT

[SeriouslySearching]

Could be. There is also a street named Benjaman in Greenville, NC.

Here is a post made by a Benjaman back in 2004 on a physics forum. It hasn't been accessed since 7-7-04 according to Google.

A question about evolution (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=31409)07-06-2004, 11:16 PM, Last edited by benjaman : 07-07-2004 at 04:59 AM. ... benjaman. benjaman is Offline:. Posts: 2. chromosomal allocation in meiosis ...

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=31409

[SeriouslySearching]

His story picked up in Chattanooga, TN: http://www.wrcbtv.com/news/index.cfm?sid=346
Atlanta, GA: http://www.11alive.com/news/article_news.aspx?storyid=104800

[marysawol]

Here is a post made by a Benjaman back in 2004 on a physics forum. It hasn't been accessed since 7-7-04 according to Google.

A question about evolution (http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=31409)07-06-2004, 11:16 PM, Last edited by benjaman : 07-07-2004 at 04:59 AM. ... benjaman. benjaman is Offline:. Posts: 2. chromosomal allocation in meiosis ...

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=31409

I joined that website just to see his profile. Here it is:

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Additional InformationGroup MembershipsDate of Birth: October 6, 1965 Age: 42 Biography: Boring Bulky Chinese Medic Location: Body in Hong Kong, spirit in Neverland. Interests: Day Dreaming with Thematic Variations (Temporal Threashold around 24 hours thematic change recurs) Profession: Medical Doctor and to make important decisions for patients, only in between thematic changes

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[SeriouslySearching]

Well..that is interesting. I wonder how much BK can remember about physics and medicine...or Hong Kong? LOL

[kaylenbabysims]

ETA: did a search on his name on this thread and didnt see it but if its a repost i'm sorry!!


Charles Elmquist.. long shot but , thought i'd post it just in case! some things do match though (alot better than the last guy I put up! :innocent: )

http://www.icgov.org/policefiles/mpB4.jpg

http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39

[kaylenbabysims]

another just in case one
Ronald Zellmer
http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=245

[SeriouslySearching]

ETA: did a search on his name on this thread and didnt see it but if its a repost i'm sorry!!


Charles Elmquist.. long shot but , thought i'd post it just in case! some things do match though (alot better than the last guy I put up! :innocent: )

http://www.icgov.org/policefiles/mpB4.jpg

http://www.iowaonline.state.ia.us/mpic/Controller.aspx?cmd=personDetailCommand&id=39 I looked at both very seriously. You are certainly on the right track! I don't think they match as well as they should, but close!

[dottierainbow]

Why would this bother you? I'm sure pschyciatrist ,nurses, and counselors are helping him. I would hate to walk in his shoes and I'm sure you would too. Hopefully he will find out where he belongs home to soon.I would love for him to come here and help us. We are searching and spending countless hours to find him. I think he would find we are dedicated and relentless in the pursuit. We know he has access to the internet...so why doesn't he know about the nights we sit up and try to find out who he really is? This bothers me.

[Gina_M]

He might not be very computer literate. My parents are in their 50s and they know how to check email and stuff like that, but they're not forum-savvy :D

ETA: I'm sure he appreciates everything that is being done to help him :)

[dimples37398]

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/kidnap/gricar_rf.htm

possibly?

[dimples37398]

nevermind missed the date difference

[dottierainbow]

Dimples, Gricar went missing after the amnesia victim was found. In my opinion our Benjamin looks like a professional person. That is more reason why I am baffled he was not found sooner. Could it be he was presumed drowned in a boating accident or something?

[benjamankyle]

I just want to express my gratitude for all that you are doing. I am trying my best to keep up with you - there are so many good ideas out there! Benjaman and I are following every lead and looking into everything you put out there.

Thanks again.

[SuziQ]

Dimples, Gricar went missing after the amnesia victim was found. In my opinion our Benjamin looks like a professional person. That is more reason why I am baffled he was not found sooner. Could it be he was presumed drowned in a boating accident or something?

I'm thinking of a presumed dead situation as well. Benjaman has fallen through the cracks of missing person data bases for some reason. I think the next step is to search news reports during the time of his discovery at BK to see if there was any accidents/incidents during that time. Another poster commented on the Florida Hurricane evacuations. There are so many of us here. Maybe we can each take a state and be in charge of the state, local and county databases. And research news reports? That way there won't be as much duplication of searches while other areas are being missed? Taking your home state would be a good start. I'll take Utah if no one objects.

[SuziQ]

The fact that Benjaman was found minus clothing could indicate a water type misadventure. Car into water, boating accident, swimming?

I would think that whatever happened, happened really close to the BK. I don't think he would have gone far from whatever incident occured.

[phenolred]

I just want to express my gratitude for all that you are doing. I am trying my best to keep up with you - there are so many good ideas out there! Benjaman and I are following every lead and looking into everything you put out there.

Thanks again.
Thanks for checking in with us and we are all here to help in your search, You have come to the right place, we never give up around here....Keep your chin up and were are all here anytime, or for any questions or if you need any help with research etc. Tell Benjaman we are all praying for his return to his real life and family.

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm thinking of a presumed dead situation as well. Benjaman has fallen through the cracks of missing person data bases for some reason. I think the next step is to search news reports during the time of his discovery at BK to see if there was any accidents/incidents during that time. Another poster commented on the Florida Hurricane evacuations. There are so many of us here. Maybe we can each take a state and be in charge of the state, local and county databases. And research news reports? That way there won't be as much duplication of searches while other areas are being missed? Taking your home state would be a good start. I'll take Utah if no one objects.I will take Oklahoma! This is a good idea!!

[phenolred]

The fact that Benjaman was found minus clothing could indicate a water type misadventure. Car into water, boating accident, swimming?

I would think that whatever happened, happened really close to the BK. I don't think he would have gone far from whatever incident occured.


When I read about the no clothes issue, the first thing that popped into my mind and I dont know why is a gay sex thing gone wrong and they beat him. Please dont attack me I do not mean anything negative about being gay, but for some reason this popped into my head.

Then I thought of another angle, maybe he was in a relationship with a woman maybe a married woman and her husband showed up while they were in the act, he went beserk and attacked BK and dumped him off as is..

I have read alot about business men that travel alot for their jobs, some of them get lonely on the road and they keep mistresses in the towns they frequent. I also wonder if BK has a preference men or woman now ? That might help in finding out his true identity.

[aj1020]

I'm thinking of a presumed dead situation as well. Benjaman has fallen through the cracks of missing person data bases for some reason. I think the next step is to search news reports during the time of his discovery at BK to see if there was any accidents/incidents during that time. Another poster commented on the Florida Hurricane evacuations. There are so many of us here. Maybe we can each take a state and be in charge of the state, local and county databases. And research news reports? That way there won't be as much duplication of searches while other areas are being missed? Taking your home state would be a good start. I'll take Utah if no one objects.

I'm following your line of thinking - and I agree. We've all poured over the missing person's sites in the last few weeks (not to mention all the searching Benjaman has done for the last 3 years!) to no avail. Although I'm sure there are sites that we haven't perused yet, if he was ever listed on a major site (ncma for example) it seems we should have found him by now. Please please keep checking the all the missing person sites, that's not what I'm getting at.

I do think this could be a case of presumed dead OR as someone mentioned earlier, a case where LE at the time wouldn't take the missing persons report. (Such as the troubles Maureen, wife of missing Jon Van Dyke, has had with his case (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51148)

I like the idea of searching for news articles from the time surrounding Mr. Kyle's "find", hopefully something will surface soon. I will take Nebraska. :)

[SuziQ]

When I read about the no clothes issue, the first thing that popped into my mind and I dont know why is a gay sex thing gone wrong and they beat him. Please dont attack me I do not mean anything negative about being gay, but for some reason this popped into my head.

Well any thought is a good one at this point. A odd set of circumstances is what probably happened. It also could be a person who was responsible for Benjaman's injuries never reported him missing, because they didn't intend for him to be found.

[SuziQ]

You guys are fantastic!

SS-OK
AJ1020-NB
SuziQ-Utah

I am currently on page 7 of Google news search "presumed drowned+2004. Nothing sticks out yet, but I can see exactly how this scenario could happen.

[KT Can]

I thought about the water angle as well. The Ogeechee River appears to run through Richamond Hill leading to the Ossabaw Sound & Atlantic Ocean. Wonder what types of activities and/or industry are most prevalent along the river?

[KT Can]

I'll take Texas, I've actually already done some searching for "presumed drown" in Florida.

[KT Can]

Another question I have that I feel is very important is what was BK's health & hygeine like when he was found? I know he was in bad shape due to the beating, fire ant bites & sun exposure, but what I mean is, what was the length of his hair, the condition of his fingernails, his dental health? What was his toxicology? I say this because it could very well be that BK was a transient & that no one would know to report him missing. I agree that he looks very well put together & business like at this point, however it is amazing what a little soap, a haircut & some decent clothes can do for a person, no offense meant to BK. BK could have been someone who rode the trains as there is a railroad that goes right through Richmond Hill at I-95 & HWY 17, very close to the Burger King. One scenario could be that BK along with some of the other train riders got off the train in Richmond Hill to get some food. It's possible that BK was beaten up by his fellow train riders simply because he had money at the Burger King & they didn't, however small the amount. They could have beaten him up for his money & stole his clothes, being that clothes can be a hot commodity in the transient community. If alcohol were involved that could possibly explain why BK laid there & was exposed to the sun & fire ants for so long. I would suggest emailing Salvation Army centers, homeless shelters, etc. in addition to our other searches. Just a thought...

[phenolred]

I have done a very limited amount of searching here in Indiana. If anyone else would like to help with Indiana I would appreciate it. I think Indy should be looked at very closley since he seems to have some memories of Indy and maybe the sourrounding states to Indiana, It seems like every other person in Indiana came from Kentucky and the were born and raised there but grew up and moved to Indiana looking for better jobs.

Also, I dont know if it would be worth all the extra work to search states far away from Georgia for a presumed drowning, and then have him turn up on the other side of the country still naked doesnt seem likely but who knows

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is a report of a missing boater on White Oak Creek along the Satilla River, Ga on 8-10-04:

http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/46504/

Another missing boater in July:

http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/43974/

Missing swimmer at Tybee in June:
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/41654/

Missing diver in May off St. Marys GA:
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/37886/

Boater (John Nance) missing in Silver Creek, SC in 4-19-04:
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/36683/

I also checked their later releases to see if any of these were found, but they didn't mention them again.

Still checking Oklahoma, but haven't come up with anything here.

[phenolred]

Yeah I wonder about more information about when he was found. I mean homeless people werent always homeless and they at one time took better care of their appearance. I wonder more about his injuries, what made him unconsceience and how long approx he was laying there? The day before? What were ALL the injuries. Did he smell of alcohol? Did the person who dumped him think he was dead? Then I go back to the traveling businessman senario, I have heard of men leaving their wifes and just up and leaving and never looking back. Could this be what he did and he has never been officially listed as missing, because if someone just leaves you because you werent getting along etc. You would really have no reason to report them missing or have any idea they were "missing" if you think they left because they wanted to leave.

[SuziQ]

Also, I dont know if it would be worth all the extra work to search states far away from Georgia for a presumed drowning, and then have him turn up on the other side of the country still naked doesnt seem likely but who knows

The presumed drowning angle would be somewhere close by, I would assume.

[SuziQ]

SS post 197, wow! good finds!

[aj1020]

Are all government workers fingerprinted? I know his DNA and fingerprints were checked for matches, but what if he was some type of aid worker that was in the south for the hurricanes and was presumed dead after he didn't return home?

[SuziQ]

This is interesting, from the first link in SS post 197:
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/46504/

(Snip)
People in the area noticed a man in a bass boat around 10:30 a.m. Only an hour later people in the area reported the vessel adrift with no one manning the vessel in the White Oak Creek area. Articles of clothing were also discovered along the creek

The name of the boater is not known at this time.

[SuziQ]

Red Cross and the Salvation Army search for missing people don't they? Benjaman should register his case with them, if he hasn't already.

[aj1020]

Ooo, fancy, thanks SS!

Learned something new today.

[aj1020]

Might be a stretch, but...
The charred remains of a life boat from the sunken tanker Bow Mariner floats off the coast of Virginia, Sunday Feb. 29, 2004. The 570-foot tanker exploded and sank 50 miles off the coast of Chincoteague, Va., Saturday evening. Three crewmembers were killed and six resuced 18 others are missing. The Coast Guard have called off the search for the remaining crew. (AP Photo/US Coast Guard, ho)

The search for 18 missing crewmen who vanished when their tanker carrying industrial ethanol exploded and sank has been ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-91661171.html

[SeriouslySearching]

This is interesting, from the first link in SS post 197:
http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/46504/

(Snip)
People in the area noticed a man in a bass boat around 10:30 a.m. Only an hour later people in the area reported the vessel adrift with no one manning the vessel in the White Oak Creek area. Articles of clothing were also discovered along the creek


The name of the boater is not known at this time.

I like this one, but it is so far away from Richmond Hill. I don't know how he would have gotten that far with no clothing unless he just had shorts on. Would be a very long walk!

The man missing from Tybee Inlet would make more sense because with the rip tide...it could have washed him down towards Ossawba Island and carried him inland...but he would have been gone for three months.

Also, I ran across information on a 100 day heat wave in GA during that time. Could explain why he had on no clothes maybe.

[aj1020]

Not a possibility, but it gives us HOPE for Mr. Kyle!!

Missing man turns up at hospital

A Highland man reported missing on June 22 resurfaced Tuesday morning at St. Joseph's Hospital in Highland with no memory of where he had been or why he had left town, authorities said. By Tuesday evening, James E. Schauster, 53, had been released from the hospital and stood outside his house pondering where he had been for the last two weeks.
Schauster said he remembered bumping his head on a water pipe in his basement on June 19 as he worked to fix a leak.
The next thing...

http://tinyurl.com/299cmr

[Spazkat9696]

Might be a stretch, but...
The charred remains of a life boat from the sunken tanker Bow Mariner floats off the coast of Virginia, Sunday Feb. 29, 2004. The 570-foot tanker exploded and sank 50 miles off the coast of Chincoteague, Va., Saturday evening. Three crew members were killed and six resuced 18 others are missing. The Coast Guard have called off the search for the remaining crew. (AP Photo/US Coast Guard, ho)

The search for 18 missing crewmen who vanished when their tanker carrying industrial ethanol exploded and sank has been ...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-91661171.html


I remember this. I think the missing were all Hispanic and there was some question as to the immigration status.

[SeriouslySearching]

Missing 37-year-old man from Virginia Beach, VA from cruise ship July 23, 2004:

http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/43709/

[aj1020]

Also a stretch... this is from Oklahoma:
Driver missing after truck plunges into lake
http://www.kfor.com/Global/story.asp?S=1696011

I'm searching the words missing presumed dead in Google News for all articles appearing in 2004. Unfortunately between the tsumanis, some major disaster in Haiti, and what seems like a TON of missing mountain climbers, it's a lot to weed through. There are 2100 articles though, maybe something will come up.

[Al_B]

he was attacked who is to say they didn't steal his clothes along with everything else? Maybe he was down there under false pretenses for a business deal and the person thought he was dead when they dumped him behind the dumpster. Did they check the dumpster when they found him for any clues? Check hotels in the area?(do they make copies of ID's at all hotels?maybe left luggage behind and didn't check out)

Sorry just thinking out loud.

[aj1020]

Missing 37-year-old man from Virginia Beach, VA from cruise ship July 23, 2004:

http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/43709/

Here's a second article on that same thing:

http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2094741&nav=0nqxPE9S

[aj1020]

I have to take off for the weekend, but I was searching these words missing presumed dead on Google News from 2004. I got through page 50. If someone is bored and wants to pick up where I left off, you can have at it! :D

Have a good weekend, and here's to hoping Mr. Kyle has an identity when I get back! ;)

[Al_B]

how long do they think he was where they found him?
I also found 4 hotels on 17 does anyone know if there are more?

[Spazkat9696]

Missing 37-year-old man from Virginia Beach, VA from cruise ship July 23, 2004:

http://www.piersystem.com/go/doc/586/43709/


This man's name was Christopher Caldwell. Despite the fact he appeared very intoxicated a crew member ignored his condition and left him outside on the aft deck rather than escorting him back to his cabin. Give his level of intoxication I think he probably drowned.
http://www.internationalcruisevictims.org/LatestMemberStories/Christopher_Caldwell.html

[SuziQ]

I feel like I opened up a can of worms! Humans can get themselved into the darndest situations. I can really see now how easily Benjaman got into the situation he is in. Outside of CNN posting the video interview, where does the national exposure stand? That really has to be the best option right now.

I'm almost done checking Utah now. I didn't think I would find anything there. But at least we can cross that one off the list.

[Gina_M]

I have done a very limited amount of searching here in Indiana. If anyone else would like to help with Indiana I would appreciate it. I think Indy should be looked at very closley since he seems to have some memories of Indy and maybe the sourrounding states to Indiana, It seems like every other person in Indiana came from Kentucky and the were born and raised there but grew up and moved to Indiana looking for better jobs.

Also, I dont know if it would be worth all the extra work to search states far away from Georgia for a presumed drowning, and then have him turn up on the other side of the country still naked doesnt seem likely but who knows

I can help with Indiana. I've been sending out friend requests on MySpace to people in Indiana, Colorado, and/or restaurant-related pag