Wanted-Chester Stiles-Video Taped rape of 3 yr old child! NV Thread 2

[Beffie]

I didn't see a new thread for this and just seen this video. Stephanie Allen, recognizes Stiles and sheets.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/index.html

You have to go to the right of the screen under videos and click on woman identifies Stiles, sheets in tape.

Here is a link to all the videos
http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/index.html

[Al_B]

Is Stephanie Todd's sister?

[SewingDeb]

Brefie, good find! Now we know who Stephanie Allen is. Poor woman, she was pretty shook up when she recognized the sheets.

[Indiana at Heart]

Wow I just watched it. That women is in shock now!! To see her sheets and bed in those pictures she went into shock!!!

[Taximom]

Thanks for that link. Ms. Allen's reaction appears real. I don't understand her mixing up the sheets though. At first I thought she said they were her sheets, and then she says they are a friends' sheets. Maybe I heard it wrong.

God bless all these victims!!

[Al_B]

because I thought the mentioned that he,his sister (at first I thought they said the mom's) and M's mom shared Todd's apartment when it happened

[SewingDeb]

I believe she is. Todd told CNN the he and his sister lived with M and her mom. Stephanie Allen recognizes the sheets as hers.

Chester dated their mother for 10 years and their mother babysat sometimes. That's the connection.

[Al_B]

ok, just making sure I got the connections down. there was some mention that Stephanie might have been Todd's mom so just clairifing. thanks

[DeltaDawn]

Wow...great catch Beffie... !!!
And thank you for starting this new thread.

Oh I feel so sorry for Stephanie Allen, the little girl and her Mom.
Stephanie is reaally genuinely shaken up in that video...who wouldn't be?

So I guess Stephanie is either Todd's sister or Mom. But she said it took place right there in her house..so that would be Todd's mom then right, because Todd said they recognized the furniture from Todd's Mom's Place in the other interview he gave this morning.
Or maybe I am confused. I hope they show that interview with Todd again..

[bnhall]

So this explains how reporters knew Allen's name at the press conference...they had tracked her down earlier in the day.

[DeltaDawn]

Wow..I wonder how the reporters tracked her down so fast... it's daylight out so it must have been prior to the news conf and she appeared like that was the first time she saw the photos..so that reporter found her before the police spoke with her.

[SuziQ]

Here is a quote from this mornings Review Journal. It indicates motive for turning the tape in. I think Tuck thought if he brought the tape forward he could get a lesser sentence in relation to the burglary charges:

"DeMeo and Boruchowitz speculated Saturday that the real reason Tuck came forward with the tape was to distract them from an investigation of a burglary ring that involved many of his associates."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10139011.html

[Indiana at Heart]

Stiles has the following arrest record through the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:
04/2003 - Conspiracy to Commit Grand Larceny Auto
05/2001 - Leaving the Scene of an Accident
04/2001 - Grand Larceny and Auto Burglary
02/2001 - Contempt of Court
02/2001 - Probation Violation - C.C.W.,Battery-Domestic Violence, False Information to a Police Officer, Resisting a Public Officer, Battery by a Prisoner (2 CTS)
06/1999 - Aiming a firearm
06/1999 - Possession of an Unregistered Firearm, Resisting a Police Officer, Obstructing a Police Officer, Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Battery Domestic Violence.

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[Tom'sGirl]

Here is a quote from this mornings Review Journal. It indicates motive for turning the tape in. I think Tuck thought if he brought the tape forward he could get a lesser sentence in relation to the burglary charges:

"DeMeo and Boruchowitz speculated Saturday that the real reason Tuck came forward with the tape was to distract them from an investigation of a burglary ring that involved many of his associates."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10139011.html

Speaking of Tuck............


Look how different Tuck looks in the interview photo compared to his booking photo. Goes to show, a little differerent hair style, and facial hair can, and does change your appearance.


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[CaliKid]

Watched the video, and her emotions appear totally genuine. So is this how they found M? I'm trying to follow the chain of events that led to locating and identifying her.

[Taximom]

This may be totally unrelated but I found "stephanie allen-siegfried" while googling. Not that I want to butt into HER life, but I thought the Siegfried relationship (Stiles working w/them supposedly) was interesting. The actual find was nothing major, just the name peaked my interest....

[SuziQ]

Speaking of Tuck............


Look how different Tuck looks in the interview photo compared to his booking photo. Goes to show, a little differerent hair style, and facial hair can, and does change your appearance.

It seems to have worked for Stiles he's been under everyone's noses for the past three years and no one knew it. I wonder how much Stephanie and Todd's mother knew about Stiles. It had to be obvious he was hiding from something. I'm sure he never kept a regular job among other things. And who gave LE the false tip that Stile's may be in the San Diego area? Stiles was around as of last weekend.

[Indiana at Heart]

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0709/28/lkl.01.html

Our panel to discuss the breaking developments in Parhump, Nevada is Sheriff Anthony De Meo, the sheriff of Nye County, Nevada.

Also is Parhump is Kara Finnstrom, the CNN correspondent.

Go to the web site and read it> http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0709/28/lkl.01.html

[SuziQ]

LE had to have known about Stiles GF if they dated ten years. I'm sure they would have checked with her to see if she knew where Stiles was when the feds filed the warrant in July of 2007. WTF did she tell them?

[Tom'sGirl]

It seems to have worked for Stiles he's been under everyone's noses for the past three years and no one knew it. I wonder how much Stephanie and Todd's mother knew about Stiles. It had to be obvious he was hiding from something. I'm sure he never kept a regular job among other things. And who gave LE the false tip that Stile's may be in the San Diego area? Stiles was around as of last weekend. [/left]

The San Diego (El Cajon) connection came from the Criminal Complaint filing about the sexual assult on the 6 year old that took place on or about 12/13/3003.

On April 26, 2004 LV Judge issued an arrest warrant on CAS and the info. about El Cajon was mentioned there when he fled.

[DeltaDawn]

Maybe they broke up a while ago..in the tape Stephanie seems to back away when she sees it is him..and she says she can't even imagine what he would have done to her...the expression in her voice sounded like she knew he was a bad character..maybe the domestic battery charges in 2001 stemed from Stiles beating on her Mom? But the tape was made in 2003 so must have still been together then.

[DeltaDawn]

Toms Girl,
You're right the El Cajon reference is from the warrant for assault on the other 6 year old girl.
You're also right about hair length and facial hair they can both really change how a man looks ....so his hair was longer within the last couple of weeks. He might keep it long and grow a full beard to look different then the photos the police are distributing

[SuziQ]

The San Diego (El Cajon) connection came from the Criminal Complaint filing about the sexual assult on the 6 year old that took place on or about 12/13/3003.

On April 26, 2004 LV Judge issued an arrest warrant on CAS and the info. about El Cajon was mentioned there when he fled.

IIRC, Todd said he last saw Stiles last weekend. Which I have to assume was in connection with his mom. I know where the connection to San Diego came from. It is stated a tip from Crime stoppers actially. But who gave the tip that was obviously false?

[Indy Gal]

I didn't see a new thread for this and just seen this video. Stephanie Allen, recognizes Stiles and sheets.
http://www.fox5vegas.com/index.html

You have to go to the right of the screen under videos and click on woman identifies Stiles, sheets in tape.

Here is a link to all the videos
http://www.fox5vegas.com/video/index.html
This poor woman. I can only imagine what she may feel like as well. To all who mentioned before, I wished all these POS's would have a tattoo or something. Seems as though he fooled a lot of people.

[Jaded]

IMO, her shock was very genuine.

I'm wondering if POS was a Marine. There is a base near San Diego, and there is also one about 4 hours from Pahrump. That could be how the San Diego connection is brought in - maybe he was stationed at Pendleton.

[CaliKid]

This may be totally unrelated but I found "stephanie allen-siegfried" while googling. Not that I want to butt into HER life, but I thought the Siegfried relationship (Stiles working w/them supposedly) was interesting. The actual find was nothing major, just the name peaked my interest....

Did it google Las Vegas? That would be very interesting.

[Tom'sGirl]

IMO, her shock was very genuine.

I'm wondering if POS was a Marine. There is a base near San Diego, and there is also one about 4 hours from Pahrump. That could be how the San Diego connection is brought in - maybe he was stationed at Pendleton.

His claim to being a Navy Seal is just that, a claim at this point and has yet to be verified.

If at any point he was stationed either at SD Naval facility, or at Camp Pendelton (Marine) it would have had to be serveral years ago as he's 37 years old and not Career Military.

[CaliKid]

IMO, her shock was very genuine.

I'm wondering if POS was a Marine. There is a base near San Diego, and there is also one about 4 hours from Pahrump. That could be how the San Diego connection is brought in - maybe he was stationed at Pendleton.

Or Miramar or the main naval base in San Diego.

[Taximom]

Did it google Las Vegas? That would be very interesting.

The link google found only listed that name, no other identifying information. So it could be totally unrelated. I just thought it was interesting considering...

[Busylady]

My head is spinning LOL - After looking at the video where the women recognizes the sheets my first thought was Stephanie Allen - I took the numbers off the house and looked up us directories under Allen and that house number comes back to a Tina Allen. There is a court case involving Tina Allen and Stephani Allen (not criminal case something to do with a rental car company contract). So I am know wondering if Tina Allen and Todd Allen are Stephani Allens kids?

[Jaded]

...or Tina Allen is the mother who dated Chester?

[Tom'sGirl]

My head is spinning LOL - After looking at the video where the women recognizes the sheets my first thought was Stephanie Allen - I took the numbers off the house and looked up us directories under Allen and that house number comes back to a Tina Allen. There is a court case involving Tina Allen and Stephani Allen (not criminal case something to do with a rental car company contract). So I am know wondering if Tina Allen and Todd Allen are Stephani Allens kids?
Also, listed for Tina L. Allen are the locations:
EL CAJON, CA
LAS VEGAS, NV
SPRING VALLEY, CA

There is also a Stephanie listed as possible relative.

[DeltaDawn]

Also, listed for Tina L. Allen are the locations:
EL CAJON, CA
LAS VEGAS, NV
SPRING VALLEY, CA

There is also a Stephanie listed as possible relative.

Isn't it interesting a EL Cajon address comes up for her.
Maybe the police thought that he would flee to his old girlfriend for protection back when the filed the warrant for the six year old...sorry, from the way her daughter reacted I don't think that family is going to help hide him anywhere.

[Indy Gal]

Also, listed for Tina L. Allen are the locations:
EL CAJON, CA
LAS VEGAS, NV
SPRING VALLEY, CA

There is also a Stephanie listed as possible relative.
Great catch, so safe to assume Tina is Stephs mom

[Tom'sGirl]

...or Tina Allen is the mother who dated Chester?

I find an age of 45 for Tina, and an age of 24 for Stephanie Lyn Allen.

[Jaded]

I found them both on myspace. Stephanie has made hers private.

[Tom'sGirl]

I found them both on myspace. Stephanie has made hers private.

Good work Jaded

[Busylady]

On the case involving the rental company it list Tina Allen as the Plantiff and Stephani Allen as Subject Minor. So Tina Allen would be the mom that had dated CAS.

[Busylady]

Sorry I should of read before posting, you guys had already figured that out.

[SuziQ]

Good info Busylady and Tom'sGirl! I think Tina's kids have been aware for awhile what a loser Stiles is. I doubt they would cover him. Tina I'm not so sure about.

[SuziQ]

I wonder where Tina is right now. And if she's received a visit from "Dog" yet. :eek:

[DeltaDawn]

I would think Tina has received a visit from "DOG" and the police.

[Reannan]

So, do I understand it straight that "M" lived with her Mom over at Stephanie and Todd's apartment. CAS would visit the apartment from time to time becasue he was dating Todd and Stephanie's mother, Tina. That would mean that at some point, Tina or someone, left CAS alone with "M". Even if "M"'s mother didn't know anything was wrong, wouldn't you think Tina would have seen something wrong when she returned from the grocery store? I mean, you can look at the still pictures where "M" looked very young, and then the latter pictures. We weren't even sure it was the same child. I just can't believe a child could be abused to the point of shocking jaded LE, and no one would notice anything!!! I am really not trying to point fingers at Tina, "M"'s mother, or anyone else. I just really need to understand.

[SuziQ]

Reannan, that seems correct. I am not feeling to good towards Tina right now. And I don't feel that way at all towards her kids or "M" and her mother.

[Busylady]

K guys don't know what to do in going through my space I have found some current pictures of people involved in this case do I post or what?

[Tom'sGirl]

K guys don't know what to do in going through my space I have found some current pictures of people involved in this case do I post or what?

I would just post the link myself, but that's your call.

[Jaded]

I also found Todd Allen's myspace. Seems like he was in the Army and didn't make it out of basic training.

[angela]

So, do I understand it straight that "M" lived with her Mom over at Stephanie and Todd's apartment. CAS would visit the apartment from time to time becasue he was dating Todd and Stephanie's mother, Tina. That would mean that at some point, Tina or someone, left CAS alone with "M". Even if "M"'s mother didn't know anything was wrong, wouldn't you think Tina would have seen something wrong when she returned from the grocery store? I mean, you can look at the still pictures where "M" looked very young, and then the latter pictures. We weren't even sure it was the same child. I just can't believe a child could be abused to the point of shocking jaded LE, and no one would notice anything!!! I am really not trying to point fingers at Tina, "M"'s mother, or anyone else. I just really need to understand.
I may have missed it but has it ever been determined whether the camera was on a tripod or hand held? I agree with you, Reannan. My first thought when I watched that video was that Tina either may be involved or left M with CAS without the mother knowing it. If she left her with him for a trip to the store or something, I would think she would have noticed something odd when she returned, either with CAS's behavior or M's. I really am not trying to accuse Tina of anything, Im just saying she may have been the first person to see M after the abuse occured.

[angela]

So, do I understand it straight that "M" lived with her Mom over at Stephanie and Todd's apartment. CAS would visit the apartment from time to time becasue he was dating Todd and Stephanie's mother, Tina. That would mean that at some point, Tina or someone, left CAS alone with "M". Even if "M"'s mother didn't know anything was wrong, wouldn't you think Tina would have seen something wrong when she returned from the grocery store? I mean, you can look at the still pictures where "M" looked very young, and then the latter pictures. We weren't even sure it was the same child. I just can't believe a child could be abused to the point of shocking jaded LE, and no one would notice anything!!! I am really not trying to point fingers at Tina, "M"'s mother, or anyone else. I just really need to understand.
I may have missed it but has it ever been determined whether the camera was on a tripod or hand held? I agree with you, Reannan. My first thought when I watched that video was that Tina either may be involved or left M with CAS without the mother knowing it. If she left her with him for a trip to the store or something, I would think she would have noticed something odd when she returned, either with CAS's behavior or M's. I really am not trying to accuse Tina of anything, Im just saying she may have been the first person to see M after the abuse occured.

[Busylady]

Do I need to ask a moderator? I do not want to do anything wrong or that could cause any harm to those involved.

[SuziQ]

Busylady, asking a mod might be a good idea.

Angela, IIRC, LE has stated that a tripod was used?

[Jaded]

If you found Todds myspace, I would ask that you don't post the link. Pics of the victim are on there.

ETA: I'm a nobody here, but there are pics of the child on there, and if it were my baby I wouldn't want those pics out there. She has grown up.

[bnhall]

Do not post the links. Jaded, you beat me to it.

[Tom'sGirl]

If you found Todds myspace, I would ask that you don't post the link. Pics of the victim are on there.

Thank you Jaded............good to know!

[SuziQ]

Since we are not discussing or linking 'M's' mother here, or her family I don't see where a simple link to the MySpace would cause harm.

True, I'm more interested in the link between Tina and Chet. I really want to know how recent their relationship was and is it still ongoing? And when Tina would have known what when.

[Indy Gal]

PEOPLE PLEASE PM ME THE LINKS.....sorry for caps just going crazy here....LOL

I found it all on my own. yay for me...LOL

[jilly]

Here is a quote from this mornings Review Journal. It indicates motive for turning the tape in. I think Tuck thought if he brought the tape forward he could get a lesser sentence in relation to the burglary charges:

"DeMeo and Boruchowitz speculated Saturday that the real reason Tuck came forward with the tape was to distract them from an investigation of a burglary ring that involved many of his associates."

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10139011.html

This is a very good article - spells everything out clearly. Thank you!

[LMax]

Tuck back in custody http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298668,00.html

[Beffie]

True, I'm more interested in the link between Tina and Chet. I really want to know how recent their relationship was and is it still ongoing? And when Tina would have known what when.

That is my thought. If this relationship is anything like the one like a family members, they have the woman so brainwashed to think everybody is against him. I could only imagine what he would tell her. The police photoshopped his face on there, and the sad thing is she might believe him. I was told (family members relationship) that he told her that I was jealous of their love and that is why I was so against them. Not that he stole from her, threatened her, threatened my family. She even said she was going to sell her house and move away to be with him. I cannot even begin to tell you how frustrating it was to see someone be that stupid. I shouldn't compare my own experience with Tinas, but I cannot help it.

[bnhall]

Tina says on her myspace that she is in a relationship. However, many single women say that because it keeps men from bugging them. There are no pictures of CAS on her page.

[bnhall]

Tuck back in custody http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298668,00.html

:dance:
Maybe they can get some more answers from him now.

[capps]

I may have missed it but has it ever been determined whether the camera was on a tripod or hand held? I agree with you, Reannan. My first thought when I watched that video was that Tina either may be involved or left M with CAS without the mother knowing it. If she left her with him for a trip to the store or something, I would think she would have noticed something odd when she returned, either with CAS's behavior or M's. I really am not trying to accuse Tina of anything, Im just saying she may have been the first person to see M after the abuse occured.

Of course I realize we are all just speculating at this point,but if we are in the right direction,I hardly believe that it was a one time occurance,when Tina happened to leave M alone to do some grocery shopping.According to LE it didn't seem like the first time for the victim.So,either Tina left M alone alot with CAS,or something more was going on.

[DeltaDawn]

I was thinking that if Tuck was smart he should surrender to police. This story is so widespread that Tuck is probably safer in jail then he would be on the streets. If any of his previous friends from the burglary ring found him first they might not hesitate to take their revenge out on him.

On that same note I hope that Stephanie and her brother and that little "M" and her Mom have police protection..if CAS did this there is no telling what else he would do to these people now.

As for Tina I hope she is no longer with this fool and also has some sort of protection from him.. I hope the police have all these places staked out, as well as the mother of his child and his son. That way there is no where for him to run.

Another thought on Tuck's having this tape..this tape has got to be a copy since it is recorded over on the tapeof the peeping Tom incident. Wonder if that incident did not involver CAS, but involved Tuck and/ or one of his unsavory friends..and that's why he ran?

[SewingDeb]

Good thinking DeltaDawn. M's abuse on the tape was 2003 and the older girl's peeping Tom incident was 2005. I would bet if this is an original tape that someone has had much longer than 5 months and is involved in the peeping Tom incident.

[capps]

:dance:
Maybe they can get some more answers from him now.

Tuck was a fool to run,he just made his whole situation worse.

[Dryad]

If Tina is currently 45 and CAS is 34, she is 11 years older than him. If their relationship lasted 10 years and they are not together now...that means she started dating him when he was in his early 20s, and she was 30-something. Does that seem odd? Am I just old, or why would a 30-year-old woman being dating a guy that young?

Another thought...that would mean that Tina's kids would have been very young (9, 10?) when CAS was dating Tina? It was printed that they dated 10 years. That's a long time. Possibly dating her to get to her children? That is what pedophiles do with single women.

I can see how this all happened. Tina is Stephanie's mom. M's mom is Stephanie's friend and Stephanie lives with her mom. M's mom was probably a young, single mother and needed help with babysitting. It appears from their MySpace accounts that they all have kids at a young age and still go out and party with friends based on their pictures, etc.
Tina was able to help her out being the mother of Stephanie and they all were close. So, of course, CAS and Tina would watch the baby while M's mom was out sometimes. Tina goes somewhere (store, work, whatever) and that gives CAS access to M.

[Indy Gal]

Okay new thought could Tuck have been the peeping tom???

[SewingDeb]

I think it's very possible Indy Gal. Someone taped over the 2003 abuse.

[CaliKid]

True, I'm more interested in the link between Tina and Chet. I really want to know how recent their relationship was and is it still ongoing? And when Tina would have known what when.

And LE thought that Stiles left town when news of the rape first came out. I wonder if they suspect Tina for tipping him off.

[capps]

If Tina is currently 45 and CAS is 34, she is 11 years older than him. If their relationship lasted 10 years and they are not together now...that means she started dating him when he was in his early 20s, and she was 30-something. Does that seem odd? Am I just old, or why would a 30-year-old woman being dating a guy that young?

Another thought...that would mean that Tina's kids would have been very young (9, 10?) when CAS was dating Tina? It was printed that they dated 10 years. That's a long time. Possibly dating her to get to her children? That is what pedophiles do with single women.

I can see how this all happened. Tina is Stephanie's mom. M's mom is Stephanie's friend and Stephanie lives with her mom. M's mom was probably a young, single mother and needed help with babysitting. It appears from their MySpace accounts that they all have kids at a young age and still go out and party with friends based on their pictures, etc.
Tina was able to help her out being the mother of Stephanie and they all were close. So, of course, CAS and Tina would watch the baby while M's mom was out sometimes. Tina goes somewhere (store, work, whatever) and that gives CAS access to M.

Sounds plausible to me,the way you explained it,that's where the friend,of a friend,of a friend comes in,that the LE was talking about.

[CaliKid]

I think it's very possible Indy Gal. Someone taped over the 2003 abuse.

Which would explain one reason why Tuck failed the poly if he was asked about the tape-over.

It looks to me as if Darren Tuck might have been a pedophile-in-training, so to speak. Starting as a peeping tom, sliding into viewing porn and eventually, the next step would be abusing kids on his own.

[Beffie]

Okay new thought could Tuck have been the peeping tom???

Oh Indy Gal have you not been paying attention. The person who hid the tape in the walmart bag under the piece of wood in the desert is the peeping Tom. Tuck is innocent...did you not see his attorney and him talking.

Sorry, I cannot help but be a smart @$$...how stupid does he think LE is???

:waitasec:

[Indy Gal]

Oh Indy Gal have you not been paying attention. The person who hid the tape in the walmart bag under the piece of wood in the desert is the peeping Tom. Tuck is innocent...did you not see his attorney and him talking.

Sorry, I cannot help but be a smart @$$...how stupid does he think LE is???

:waitasec:
I started reading and was like HUH? LOL So funny thanks for the laugh

[Beffie]

And LE thought that Stiles left town when news of the rape first came out. I wonder if they suspect Tina for tipping him off.

Well, if she did shame on her. Maybe she should of thought about calling LE and telling M's mom, instead of tipping off her boy toy.

She could very well be innocent, but I think she still has contact with him.

[bnhall]

If Tina is currently 45 and CAS is 34, she is 11 years older than him. If their relationship lasted 10 years and they are not together now...that means she started dating him when he was in his early 20s, and she was 30-something. Does that seem odd? Am I just old, or why would a 30-year-old woman being dating a guy that young?

When my mom was 32, she was dating a 19 year old. I was 11. They dated for 7 years (lived together for over 5 of it). Is it odd? Yeah, it is, but it happens. I remember being a little kid and going to high school football games when he played. Then he graduates and meets my mom in a college class. Despite all of the obstacles, they were really happy for most of the time they were together.

[STEADFAST]

I think it's very possible Indy Gal. Someone taped over the 2003 abuse.

The police have said that the 2003 abuse was taped over the 2005 peeping tom incident. That's what makes it seem like the abuse tape must be a copy. (Like someone had a peeping tom tape and then saw a tape of the abuse and said, "Oh, I'd like that, too. Let me copy it onto this tape." Sounds to me like that person could very well be Tuck.

[bnhall]

Okay new thought could Tuck have been the peeping tom???

It's possible, although I highly doubt he would have turned the video over to police if he was the peeper. Although, he could have thought that no one would suspect him, given what else was on the tape.

[Beffie]

The police have said that the 2003 abuse was taped over the 2005 peeping tom incident. That's what makes it seem like the abuse tape must be a copy. (Like someone had a peeping tom tape and then saw a tape of the abuse and said, "Oh, I'd like that, too. Let me copy it onto this tape." Sounds to me like that person could very well be Tuck.

That is what I am thinking, too. I guess it was too much money to go to Walmart and buy a new tape. I guess the real action was more exciting then the peeping tom video. I guess he couldn't rewind it all the way, either.

[itsreenw]

Don't know if this was already posted...

STILES, CHESTER (http://www-1.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V2hvbGVzYWxlTGlzd HMuQ29uc3VtZXJOVg==&id=2246264&person=Per1&type=name)
4550 KAREN AVE APT 203
LAS VEGAS, NV 89121

[Tom'sGirl]

If Tina is currently 45 and CAS is 34, she is 11 years older than him.
CAS is currently 37, making that's only an 8 year difference in age.

[DeltaDawn]

Okay new thought could Tuck have been the peeping tom???

That was may thought too Indy, see my earlier post a few up. Either he wwas the Peeping Tom or he knows who is the Peeping Tom..and that is perverted. Esspecially to have taped it..it appears if she was in her bedroom at night they were probably waiting for her to undress..so more pedophiles..including Tuck

[Dryad]

CAS is currently 37, making that's only an 8 year difference in age.

They should fix that on the America's Most Wanted profile. They list him as 34 years old.

[Beffie]

That was may thought too Indy, see my earlier post a few up. Either he wwas the Peeping Tom or he knows who is the Peeping Tom..and that is perverted. Esspecially to have taped it..it appears if she was in her bedroom at night they were probably waiting for her to undress..so more pedophiles..including Tuck


Oh my goodness I didn't even think that. Yes, they were probably waiting for her to get her pajamas on. Sick, sick, sick!!!!

[CaliKid]

Anyone know Stiles' first arrest on perv-related offenses? How old was he?

[alpharee]

Maybe they broke up a while ago..in the tape Stephanie seems to back away when she sees it is him..and she says she can't even imagine what he would have done to her...the expression in her voice sounded like she knew he was a bad character..maybe the domestic battery charges in 2001 stemed from Stiles beating on her Mom? But the tape was made in 2003 so must have still been together then.
maybe she knew about the warrant for assaulting the 6 year old and that's why she backed away and made comment. Maybe that's why her Mom broke up with him?

[Al_B]

I think was 34 in the booking photo is why they put it that way or it's an over sight on their part.

[CaliKid]

That was may thought too Indy, see my earlier post a few up. Either he wwas the Peeping Tom or he knows who is the Peeping Tom..and that is perverted. Esspecially to have taped it..it appears if she was in her bedroom at night they were probably waiting for her to undress..so more pedophiles..including Tuck

They need to find him and haul his arse back to jail.

[Tom'sGirl]

Anyone know Stiles' first arrest on perv-related offenses? How old was he?
The offense happended on or about 12/13/2003

[CaliKid]

Wow! He escalated fast. I'd bet it wasn't the first time. Just the first known time.

[Tom'sGirl]

Don't know if this was already posted...

STILES, CHESTER (http://www-1.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V2hvbGVzYWxlTGlzd HMuQ29uc3VtZXJOVg==&id=2246264&person=Per1&type=name)
4550 KAREN AVE APT 203
LAS VEGAS, NV 89121
I find him also related to these locations
STILES, CHESTER ARTHUR (Age 37)

LAS VEGAS, NV
PACT, FL
DARROUZETT, TX
PANAMA CITY, FL

[SuziQ]

And LE thought that Stiles left town when news of the rape first came out. I wonder if they suspect Tina for tipping him off.

And I wonder who's kid was involved in the first perv charges. Stiles was a busy boy in 2003. And if the 10 years is correct. He spent a bit of time in and out of jail during the time he dated Tina. She HAD to have known what he was about. If Tina is responsible for leaving "M" with Stiles, is she responsible for the other incident too? Did he live with Tina?

[CaliKid]

I think they worked it out (from a taped interview with Tina's daughter Stephanie) that Tina and her kids were with Stiles. Tina's friend was M's mother, and they apparently lived there for awhile.

[soobs]

can someone pm me the links to the myspace accounts. I can't find them, at least not Todds's. Thanks in advance!!

[Taximom]

There are plenty of family and friend pictures on Todd's myspace. I believe M's family and his are still close.

[DeltaDawn]

I would also appreciate someone pm me the myspace account of Todd's.
Thank you in advance
DD

[SuziQ]

PM, the links to me too! TIA

[DeltaDawn]

There are plenty of family and friend pictures on Todd's myspace. I believe M's family and his are still close.

From Stephanie's reaction on the video news report they are still friends..She sees the picture of "M" and replies that she is her friend's child. That the room setting is in the place Stephanie is currently living.

I think if it were me I would have to ask LE to clear that room and use it as evidence or I would take it out to the desert and burn it...I'd couldn't live with that stuff being in my house.

[justche]

maybe she knew about the warrant for assaulting the 6 year old and that's why she backed away and made comment. Maybe that's why her Mom broke up with him?

I thought "she's seen him hurt, or been hurt by him" is why she doesn't "even want to think about it.

[DeltaDawn]

I also think that ole CAS has been a pedophile for a long time. I think LE should be requesting a list of names of all children that ever came into contact with CAS when he visited the house.

[Shari_Gal]

:furious:Don't know if this was already posted...

STILES, CHESTER (http://www-1.standard.netdetective.net/people_search_details.php?source=V2hvbGVzYWxlTGlzd HMuQ29uc3VtZXJOVg==&id=2246264&person=Per1&type=name)
4550 KAREN AVE APT 203
LAS VEGAS, NV 89121
service that was at the 4550 E Karen Avenue address, I found the Karen Ave address for Chester Stiles 2 days ago via Zabasearch (the address is to apartments in SE Las Vegas), then I tried googling the address:

here are the google results:

Link for AOL Yellow Pages yellowpages.aol.com/family-guide/day-care/

Pearl's Daycare
702-431-3455 • 4550 Karen Ave, Las Vegas,NV 89121

So there was a daycare business that was operating at the same address that's listed for Chester Stiles!

Shouldn't the LE be checking the bedroom where the little girl was assaulted for evidence?

Excerpt from CNN transcripts about a friend having recognized the sheets:

BORUCHOWITZ: Stiles is connected to the family on a several- tier-friend connection.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This happened in the Allen household in Las Vegas. Talked to Stephanie Allen's friend. She said that she recognized the sheets.

[DeltaDawn]

I thought "she's seen him hurt, or been hurt by him" is why she doesn't "even want to think about it.
Agreed..she does not come across as even liking him in the least. I stated earlier that I thought perhaps the domestic battery charge filed against him was from him abusing her Mom.
I don't think her Mom lived at this house, just visited and babysat from time to time.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think they worked it out (from a taped interview with Tina's daughter Stephanie) that Tina and her kids were with Stiles. Tina's friend was M's mother, and they apparently lived there for awhile.

I'm only guessing/speculating here, but I think 'M's' mom is more than likely a buddie of Stephani's.

Also, the LE has had Tina on their radar I'm sure for a long time due to her relationship with CAS.

I'm also thinking the press had her, and her daughter Stephani on their radar or Stephani's name would not have come out at the Press Conference. When the name of Chester A. Stiles went public they knew just where to go for an interview.

[concernedperson]

I was so hoping they would have caught him by now. This is one that needs to be off the streets as his brand of crime damages for a generation.

[Taximom]

:furious:
service that was at the 4550 E Karen Avenue address, I found the Karen Ave address for Chester Stiles 2 days ago via Zabasearch (the address is to apartments in SE Las Vegas), then I tried googling the address:

here are the google results:

Link for AOL Yellow Pages yellowpages.aol.com/family-guide/day-care/

Pearl's Daycare
702-431-3455 • 4550 Karen Ave, Las Vegas,NV 89121

So there was a daycare business that was operating at the same address that's listed for Chester Stiles!

Shouldn't the LE be checking the bedroom where the little girl was assaulted for evidence?

Excerpt from CNN transcripts about a friend having recognized the sheets:

BORUCHOWITZ: Stiles is connected to the family on a several- tier-friend connection.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This happened in the Allen household in Las Vegas. Talked to Stephanie Allen's friend. She said that she recognized the sheets.

Could the daycare have been a separate business site below apartments in a building? The apt. no. is 203 indicating 2nd floor.

Just a thought, but probably not a coincidence on his part anyway.

[mjak]

I do not mean to come across harsh or innapropriate but I am concerened about the direction this thread has gone in. Thank goodness M has been found and is alive and safe. The circumstances that resulted in her ending up in the horrific situation that occured is really not any of our business. Yes, like everyone else I am curious but my personal curiousity must be ignored when fuffiliing it is detrimental too others. The Allen family have commited no crimes and should be given there privacy. I feel uncomfortable, discussing them, reseraching then and passing judgments on them. I realise the son went on TV but that does mean he has given us free range to invistigate his and his family and past judgments on them. Unless discussion of this family or M's family can add anything to the search for chester the molester I think this line of discussion is unhealthy and unhelpful to those who may very well be victims themselves. Remember what we post here lives on and on...

mjak

[DBinMA]

can someone pm me the links to the myspace accounts. I can't find them, at least not Todds's. Thanks in advance!!

Me too if someone would be so kind

[alpharee]

its possible someone operated a daycare out of their home.

[SuziQ]

Mjak, the whole thing is, CAS is still out there. Tina may or may not be, or was an accomplice. I am not at this point willing to let Tina off the hook yet.

[DeltaDawn]

I do not mean to come across harsh or innapropriate but I am concerened about the direction this thread has gone in. Thank goodness M has been found and is alive and safe. The circumstances that resulted in her ending up in the horrific situation that occured is really not any of our business. Yes, like everyone else I am curious but my personal curiousity must be ignored when fuffiliing it is detrimental too others. The Allen family have commited no crimes and should be given there privacy. I feel uncomfortable, discussing them, reseraching then and passing judgments on them. I realise the son went on TV but that does mean he has given us free range to invistigate his and his family and past judgments on them. Unless discussion of this family or M's family can add anything to the search for chester the molester I think this line of discussion is unhealthy and unhelpful to those who may very well be victims themselves. Remember what we post here lives on and on...

mjak
I don't think anyone here is dissing on "m's mom or Stephanie or Tom or their Mom ..we are just trying to figure out the relationship between these people to better understand how this happened. And also to figure what the next move will be for Stiles. The jig is up on him as far as friends are concerned..he has no option now to go to them..so he's in survival mode so to speak.
But I will be the first to admit that in my mind all of these people, except Stiles and Tuck, are his vics. So we are not trying to hurt or offend them in anyway.

[Shari_Gal]

:cool:Could the daycare have been a separate business site below apartments in a building? The apt. no. is 203 indicating 2nd floor.

Just a thought, but probably not a coincidence on his part anyway.
units, I live in SE Las Vegas and while we were in the general area , my husband and I went by( based on the fact that Zabasearch had 4550 E Karen listed as CAS address) & checked the address.

Most likely there was a private daycare at the address, I found a 2nd address for Pearl's Daycare though, so the Daycare is probably no longer at Karen Street.

From what I've read, I believe that Stephanie Allen had no idea that the little girl had been assaulted by the POS Stiles.

[Tom'sGirl]

I do not mean to come across harsh or innapropriate but I am concerened about the direction this thread has gone in. Thank goodness M has been found and is alive and safe. The circumstances that resulted in her ending up in the horrific situation that occured is really not any of our business. Yes, like everyone else I am curious but my personal curiousity must be ignored when fuffiliing it is detrimental too others. The Allen family have commited no crimes and should be given there privacy. I feel uncomfortable, discussing them, reseraching then and passing judgments on them. I realise the son went on TV but that does mean he has given us free range to invistigate his and his family and past judgments on them. Unless discussion of this family or M's family can add anything to the search for chester the molester I think this line of discussion is unhealthy and unhelpful to those who may very well be victims themselves. Remember what we post here lives on and on...

mjak
In all due respect mjak, we are NOT discussing 'M's' family, but rather as you stated someone who came forth on their own and was aired nationwide.

The Allen family are, since Todd went on air are ONLY of interest to us due to their association with a Child Sex Molester, which all indications appear was not a just casual acquaintance.

Being Sleuthers here, we are trying to tie all aspects together, and are not bashing the victim's family.

Again, I mean this with no disrespect.

[LMax]

fox is covering the story now. Showed the woman's reaction to realizing it was her bed and etc. From a link we saw earlier.

[snarkymalarkey]

Wow..I wonder how the reporters tracked her down so fast... it's daylight out so it must have been prior to the news conf and she appeared like that was the first time she saw the photos..so that reporter found her before the police spoke with her.

I agree. I think it was wrong of them to toss that at her, the media is exploiting. She should have been approached by police first, not media.

[civilatty]

can someone pm the myspace links to me please?

[SuziQ]

How awful for Stephanie. Here is a link to Todd's interview with CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/30/rape.tape.girl/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

[DeltaDawn]

I think no one here belives that anyone in that houselhold knew anything about this side of CAS. They all seem very shocked and dismayed that this would happen to their friend's daughter while they were living with them. An from the myspace photos they are still good friends. This must be very horrible for them as well to realize that CAS did this at their house.

[Taximom]

Todd indicates Stiles could be sleeping in his truck. Sooo why haven't we heard about what kind of truck he has that might be identifiable?

I appreciate Todd coming forth. It sounds like Stiles really pulled one over on them all.

THE VIDEO ALSO INDICATES TUCK HAS TURNED HIMSELF IN TODAY.

[Busylady]

Im thinking CAS had a lot of different things going on the Karen Ave address was the location of the domestic violence charges, not sure how current of an address that is and if he dated Tina Allen for 10 years it appears there may have been an overlap. I am just hoping and praying that these women have it figured out and don't in anyway try to help him, I know sometimes men like this can really brainwash women and do a number on them. It appears he has been alot of different places, has family in different locations, so alot of different options and directions for him to go that is if they still try and help him like they did in the past.

[philamena]

So, do I understand it straight that "M" lived with her Mom over at Stephanie and Todd's apartment. CAS would visit the apartment from time to time becasue he was dating Todd and Stephanie's mother, Tina. That would mean that at some point, Tina or someone, left CAS alone with "M". Even if "M"'s mother didn't know anything was wrong, wouldn't you think Tina would have seen something wrong when she returned from the grocery store? I mean, you can look at the still pictures where "M" looked very young, and then the latter pictures. We weren't even sure it was the same child. I just can't believe a child could be abused to the point of shocking jaded LE, and no one would notice anything!!! I am really not trying to point fingers at Tina, "M"'s mother, or anyone else. I just really need to understand.

Reannan,
Hi,
I agree with everything you said. I watched the video of Stephanie Allen and thought the same thing you did....whoever left little M alone with pos Stiles MUST have noticed the difference in M's appearance if not a difference in her actions.

FWIW- Stephanie seemed genuinely shocked when she saw the picture. I'm thinking that Stephanie may be the one who called LE and identified M.

[DeltaDawn]

Todd indicates Stiles could be sleeping in his truck. Sooo why haven't we heard about what kind of truck he has that might be identifiable?

I appreciate Todd coming forth. It sounds like Stiles really pulled one over on them all.

THE VIDEO ALSO INDICATES TUCK HAS TURNED HIMSELF IN TODAY.


My thoughts too Taximom, why have we not gotten a description of the vehicle he drives. Make, model,color, tag number? I mean that would really help in this situation..no one would need to approach him, just cell phone in the truck is on this road headed in this direction. Police could then zero in and do a road block or something of that nature.

Todd really seemed to be concerned that this guy could live for awhile just on the run..again he said his survival skills would allow him to live in his truck indefinitely.

[DeltaDawn]

Tina has a picture of a white tiger in the background on her myspace. This is a big indication to me that she also may have worked for siegfried and roy at sometime. They also have a passion for the rare white tigers and they are part of their act. Maybe that is how she and CAS meant or maybe she helped him get a job there.

[SuziQ]

Tina has a picture of a white tiger in the background on her myspace. This is a big indication to me that she also may have worked for siegfried and roy at sometime. They also have a passion for the rare white tigers and they are part of their act. Maybe that is how she and CAS meant or maybe she helped him get a job there.

When I saw her MS background, I thought the same thing.

Why don't we have vehicle info?!!!

[capps]

I hear what you're saying busylady,but I think this time it would be hard for CAS to con them,and say "Oh I have a bad rap with the cops,so they're just out to get me" sort of thing,because this time it's on tape in black and white ... even a weak,brainwashed person can't deny this. I don't think anyone is going to try to help him.

[SuziQ]

In the CNN video, Todd seems befuddled as to how the kids would have been left with Stiles. It doesn't sound like that would have been acceptable to Todd.

[capps]

When I saw her MS background, I thought the same thing.

Why don't we have vehicle info?!!!

Maybe the LE are already tracking him?

[Busylady]

I so pray you are right capps. I can't imagine they would either.

I hear what you're saying busylady,but I think this time it would be hard for CAS to con them,and say "Oh I have a bad rap with the cops,so they're just out to get me" sort of thing,because this time it's on tape in black and white ... even a weak,brainwashed person can't deny this. I don't think anyone is going to try to help him.

[philamena]

Can someone please pm me the links to the myspace page too? TIA

[capps]

I don't know why,but I have a gut feeling CAS will be caught soon.

[Indy Gal]

In the CNN video, Todd seems befuddled as to how the kids would have been left with Stiles. It doesn't sound like that would have been acceptable to Todd.
It seemed watching that, that he had been crying a lot. I cant say enough how bad I feel for everyone involed.

[breeze]

can someone pm me the links to the myspace accounts. I can't find them, at least not Todds's. Thanks in advance!!

Would someone please pm the link(s) to me also. Thanks!

[Indy Gal]

I don't know why,but I have a gut feeling CAS will be caught soon.
I also think he is still in Las Vegas. Anyone know where turd turned surrendered? Was he still in LV?

[SuziQ]

Maybe the LE are already tracking him?

Capps, I hope so!

After seeing Stephanie and Todd's reactions and viewing the Myspace pages, how did Stiles even fit in with them? He probably stuck out like a sore thumb. Can you imagine all the eye rolling that went on regarding him?

[believe09]

In the CNN video, Todd seems befuddled as to how the kids would have been left with Stiles. It doesn't sound like that would have been acceptable to Todd.

"Kids" is the whole part that is chilling me to the bone. Why assume M was the only one then? I am sure the LE are working with Stephanie to notify the parents of any other toddlers that might have come into contact with CAS in this fashion.

They should release a vehicle description...

[DeltaDawn]

I think it is very possible that Todd is well aware of the brainwashing and verbal and emotional abuse this CAS is capable of. On tape he said he never witnessed physical abuse of any kind but did witness a very manipulative person who used both verbal and emotinal abuse to others. I take that to mean himself, his sister and his mom as well as any one else who might have been there.
And yes he did seem stunned that anyone would have left him alone with a child...probably due to that alone.

[itsreenw]

I do not mean to come across harsh or innapropriate but I am concerened about the direction this thread has gone in. Thank goodness M has been found and is alive and safe. The circumstances that resulted in her ending up in the horrific situation that occured is really not any of our business. Yes, like everyone else I am curious but my personal curiousity must be ignored when fuffiliing it is detrimental too others. The Allen family have commited no crimes and should be given there privacy. I feel uncomfortable, discussing them, reseraching then and passing judgments on them. I realise the son went on TV but that does mean he has given us free range to invistigate his and his family and past judgments on them. Unless discussion of this family or M's family can add anything to the search for chester the molester I think this line of discussion is unhealthy and unhelpful to those who may very well be victims themselves. Remember what we post here lives on and on...

mjak
Mjak,
I respect your opinion on this but I must disagree. We can't hold the Allens or M's mom accountable for Stiles crimes, however we can't assume they were completely ignorant about what was going on. I believe "M"'s mom was aware as well as this Tina person. The mother said she hadn't seen the news in a few days. What about seeing the signs of sexual abuse in her daughter????

Forgive me if this sounds graphic, but a 3 yr old child's genitalia would absolutely, no doubt, have shown signs of sexual assault for several days following each incident until her little body was used to it(lack of better words).

So who was bathing her? Washing her clothes? Leaving her with a 'tiered friend' time and time again? Who ignored the behavioral signs of this abuse?

Stiles was too at ease in someone else's home to be worried about repercussions of getting caught. He took the time to set up a tripod, left the blinds open and REPEATEDLY rape this child.

LE said the child was void of emotion during the video. This was not the first time she was raped so she must have been left with this "friend of a friend of a friend" several times before the incident in the tape.

I wouldn't feel sorry for the Allens or M's mom just yet.

I think the tape was still inserted in a VCR that Tuck stole in a burglary. JMO

[Busylady]

All it said Darren Tuck turned himself in to Nevada authorities, so apparently he didnt run to far.

[richandfamous]

can someone pm me the links to the myspace accounts. I can't find them, at least not Todds's. Thanks in advance!!

Me too Please! thx

[SuziQ]

"Kids" is the whole part that is chilling me to the bone. Why assume M was the only one then? I am sure the LE are working with Stephanie to notify the parents of any other toddlers that might have come into contact with CAS in this fashion.

They should release a vehicle description...

And it seems like from the MS pages that the kids even "M" are all considered like the grandkids. I can't get past the only person who would have given CAS the opportunity to do this would have been his GF, the "kids" grandma. The whole set-up with the video taping and such just doesn't seem like an adult was asleep in another room. Grandma must have been gone a planned very long time for this to have happened. I don't think Stiles was worried about someone walking in on him. And more than once LE thinks.

[DeltaDawn]

"Kids" is the whole part that is chilling me to the bone. Why assume M was the only one then? I am sure the LE are working with Stephanie to notify the parents of any other toddlers that might have come into contact with CAS in this fashion.

They should release a vehicle description...

Agreed..they need to compile a list of any children that may have come in contact with CAS through them or there MOm. And I do feel for their Mom Tina..she is only guilty at this point of dating a fool for a boyfriend for 10 years..so she must have some huge self esteem issues herself to put up with him. Or maybe she kept breaking it off and he kept turning up like a bad penny and she was too afraid to turn him down. I am sure she is living in her own worst nightmare now after exposing her kids, their friends and their kids to this monster. But remember Todd said he was a master at verbal and emotional abuse ...which also means manipulation.

[Indy Gal]

Mjak,
I respect your opinion on this but I must disagree.

I think the tape was still inserted in a VCR that Tuck stole in a burglary. JMO
:hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: :hand: PLEASE Just stop this. Mods have asked not to do this. I for one just cant stand to read the things you wrote. Thats is the reason I didnt quote most of the post. These people are VICTIMS!! PER LE! Until LE says they are in this somehow this is just rude!

[SuziQ]

DeltaDawn, very true, pedo's are expert manipulators.

[Busylady]

Very well said Indy!!!!!

[Busylady]

I wish they would release his vehicle information it might make all the difference in finding him before he gets to a destination and stays hidden.

[Tom'sGirl]

How awful for Stephanie. Here is a link to Todd's interview with CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/30/rape.tape.girl/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Ah geez, they're still giving out his wrong age :doh:

[Tom'sGirl]

Agreed..they need to compile a list of any children that may have come in contact with CAS through them or there MOm. And I do feel for their Mom Tina..she is only guilty at this point of dating a fool for a boyfriend for 10 years..so she must have some huge self esteem issues herself to put up with him. Or maybe she kept breaking it off and he kept turning up like a bad penny and she was too afraid to turn him down. I am sure she is living in her own worst nightmare now after exposing her kids, their friends and their kids to this monster. But remember Todd said he was a master at verbal and emotional abuse ...which also means manipulation.

Since Todd would only have been 19 at the time of the video filming he may not have noticed a lot of things being a kid himself and not home most of the time.

The fact that a molestation had taken place is horrifying enough, but to know it had been taped in the home is over the top.

[concernedperson]

Mjak,
I respect your opinion on this but I must disagree. We can't hold the Allens or M's mom accountable for Stiles crimes, however we can't assume they were completely ignorant about what was going on. I believe "M"'s mom was aware as well as this Tina person. The mother said she hadn't seen the news in a few days. What about seeing the signs of sexual abuse in her daughter????

Forgive me if this sounds graphic, but a 3 yr old child's genitalia would absolutely, no doubt, have shown signs of sexual assault for several days following each incident until her little body was used to it(lack of better words).

So who was bathing her? Washing her clothes? Leaving her with a 'tiered friend' time and time again? Who ignored the behavioral signs of this abuse?

Stiles was too at ease in someone else's home to be worried about repercussions of getting caught. He took the time to set up a tripod, left the blinds open and REPEATEDLY rape this child.

LE said the child was void of emotion during the video. This was not the first time she was raped so she must have been left with this "friend of a friend of a friend" several times before the incident in the tape.

I wouldn't feel sorry for the Allens or M's mom just yet.

I think the tape was still inserted in a VCR that Tuck stole in a burglary. JMOI received my medical records from my childhood in my 30's. I found out that I had gonorrhea as a 10 month old baby. I asked my mother and she said she never had gonorrhea nor my father. I was abused by an uncle but he was only 7 years older than me. I have to think the abuse went on before and with someone else. Families tend to deny sexual abuse as it is too much for them to deal with or they feel because the child is so young that it will go away. It doesn't go away. I think the child's pic should be removed from Crime Library immediately but to discuss the case and all of its issues should be a forefront. This can save another child if someone has the will to see it through.

[DeltaDawn]

Ah geez, they're still giving out his wrong age :doh:


Can't any of these reporters do the math to figure his right age vs the age some of these warrants, etc was issued?

And someone needs to call LE in Vegas (anyone local please...) TO LET THEM KNOW THE PUBLIC WANTS TO HELP AND NEEDS VEHICLE INFO TO CALLIN TRUCK SIGHTINGS..WITH CELL PHONES THIS IS A NO BRAINER TODAY!

[bnhall]

This is only my opinion, but I don't think anyone should go to Todd's myspace page now that we know M's picture is on there. To me, that is an invasion of her privacy. I think Tina's page is still fine, but as long as her pics are on Todd's, it just doesn't feel right to me looking at her when there is no new info to be gained from his page.

[justche]

This is only my opinion, but I don't think anyone should go to Todd's myspace page now that we know M's picture is on there. To me, that is an invasion of her privacy. I think Tina's page is still fine, but as long as her pics are on Todd's, it just doesn't feel right to me looking at her when there is no new info to be gained from his page.

He's opened himself up as a public figure....

[bnhall]

He's opened himself up as a public figure....

But she didn't. I don't give a d*** about his privacy. Hers, I do.

[Indy Gal]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: But she didn't. I don't give a d*** about his privacy. Hers, I do.

[SeriouslySearching]

We don't need his age...we would know those ears no matter how old they say they are!

I agree they should release any vehicle information on Stiles. He isn't running round on foot and hitchhiking, is he? Of course, that would be great because he wouldn't be getting very far. Right now it would be too risky for him to just jump into a car with strangers. One of those strangers could be DOG! LOL

[justche]

But she didn't. I don't give a d*** about his privacy. Hers, I do.

Well, that's fine to have your opinion. I personally have a hard and fast rule that my daughter's picture is not to go on anyone's website or personal page. Todd knows he's going to be under some scrutiny, and when he makes his page private no one will be able to see it. But if there's just one thing there that helps in the long run, it's fair game.

I have no desire to argue with you - I do think it's odd that you would request people to not go to a site. We're being very respectful of not posting things in public for the general look-e-loos and I think that's appropriate.

[Al_B]

todd has the option of setting his myspace page to private,and he has chosen to be in the public so not doing so with something so publicized like myspace is on him and I am sure we aren't the only one's looking at it after he went on the news.

the owners of myspace were just on the today show the other day and it is something they do talk about
just my opinon sorry

[believe09]

I received my medical records from my childhood in my 30's. I found out that I had gonorrhea as a 10 month old baby. I asked my mother and she said she never had gonorrhea nor my father. I was abused by an uncle but he was only 7 years older than me. I have to think the abuse went on before and with someone else. Families tend to deny sexual abuse as it is too much for them to deal with or they feel because the child is so young that it will go away. It doesn't go away. I think the child's pic should be removed from Crime Library immediately but to discuss the case and all of its issues should be a forefront. This can save another child if someone has the will to see it through.

I am more sorry than I can say for your abuse as a child, concernedperson-I admire you for being willing to discuss it in an open forum like this.

Sexual abuse of children cannot exist in the light of direct, open communication, frank discussion and the removal of the power of the "secret." I understand that this is a charged issue, but I am a single mother of very small children too, and there has to be a way for us to discuss the issues surrounding this case, and others like it, in order to be more successful flushing out the CAS's before they have a chance to do their damage. If you have faith in the studies out there, offenders like him will not learn self-control while in prison...they are predators. One approach is to catch them, and another is to understand they whys/hows of the crime...it didn't take place in a vacuum, right? Just some of my thoughts.

[itsreenw]

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Knowing the mom personally, yes she knew him, He was her best friend's mom's boyfriend. And at that point in time where they believe the tape was made her best friend and her were roomates. She had no idea it happened until this tape and is now trying to figure out how.

20 hours ago

[Indy Gal]

I must add though, that is was a relief, in a way, to see her alive, healthy, and HAPPY. I let out a much needed sigh of relief. I think that myspace will soon be private, as it should be.

[SuziQ]

Todd's MS page is unfortunately public. I am sure we aren't the first ones who found it, and probably not the last. No one here posted a direct link to the page.

[Indy Gal]

Knowing the mom personally, yes she knew him, He was her best friend's mom's boyfriend. And at that point in time where they believe the tape was made her best friend and her were roomates. She had no idea it happened until this tape and is now trying to figure out how.

20 hours ago
Thank you. Have we check other websites for him. This isnt my thing, searching and all LOL, But does he have any sex profiles or ads?

[DeltaDawn]

I must add though, that is was a relief, in a way, to see her alive, healthy, and HAPPY. I let out a much needed sigh of relief. I think that myspace will soon be private, as it should be.
Agreed Indy. Maybe someone should email him or myspace and tell them to make it private..I'm surprised LE hasn't done this already..as we know in most cases they jump in and take over this aspect..which they should.

[SuziQ]

I must add though, that is was a relief, in a way, to see her alive, healthy, and HAPPY. I let out a much needed sigh of relief. I think that myspace will soon be private, as it should be.

And wasn't that great?!!! It was heartwarming for me.

[Indy Gal]

Agreed Indy. Maybe someone should email him or myspace and tell them to make it private..I'm surprised LE hasn't done this already..as we know in most cases they jump in and take over this aspect..which they should.
You do it, Please!:D

[tnajk@cox.net]

I just have to post my feelings on this and I'm not sure why it matters but I can't shake it.

Todd, looks exactly like "M". If he's not her father then why does she have the wide eyes, same nose and unmistakable lips? If he is her father, then why does he claim to have just dated her mother? I'm dumbfounded. Am I the only one that sees it?

[DeltaDawn]

Hope Dog has persauded a few individuals to talk...he can be pretty manipulative when he needs to be too.

[Indy Gal]

I just have to post my feelings on this and I'm not sure why it matters but I can't shake it.

Todd, looks exactly like "M". If he's not her father then why does she have the wide eyes, same nose and unmistakable lips? If he is her father, then why does he claim to have just dated her mother? I'm dumbfounded. Am I the only one that sees it?
Welcome to WS:blowkiss: I didnt notice, and I am not going back there. But what I do remember it seemed as though she WAS part of that family

[DeltaDawn]

I just have to post my feelings on this and I'm not sure why it matters but I can't shake it.

Todd, looks exactly like "M". If he's not her father then why does she have the wide eyes, same nose and unmistakable lips? If he is her father, then why does he claim to have just dated her mother? I'm dumbfounded. Am I the only one that sees it?

Todd dated M's Mom? Wow that is the first I knew about that. Any more info on that aspect?

[SuziQ]

Hope Dog has persauded a few individuals to talk...he can be pretty manipulative when he needs to be too.

Wouldn't it be great to be following along with Dog right now?

I had a thought. Maybe LE has already found and impounded CAS's vehicle?

[SuziQ]

Todd dated M's Mom? Wow that is the first I knew about that. Any more info on that aspect?

Here is the link to Todd's interview with CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/30/rape.tape.girl/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

[tnajk@cox.net]

Todd dated M's Mom?
Well that's what he said on the video clip. The 2 looking alike isn't something I was looking for. It just is. It jumped out at me and now I can't shake it for some reason.

[alpharee]

I do believe if that was his child, Stephanie would have said it was her niece instead of her friends child.

[Indy Gal]

I think if someone could update/bring over that great summery someone made it would be helpful for those just catching up....TIA

[Tom'sGirl]

I must add though, that is was a relief, in a way, to see her alive, healthy, and HAPPY. I let out a much needed sigh of relief. I think that myspace will soon be private, as it should be.

Ah, err, weren't you the one that put in CAPS requesting the email page?
:D

[Busylady]

Think possibly some confusion here - my understanding is that Todd's mother dated CAS during a time when M and M's mom lived with Todd and his sister. I never got the impression that M's mom and Todd dated.

[Indy Gal]

Ah, err, weren't you the one that put in CAPS requesting the email page?
:D
And you better than anyone knows how I am...LOL I am too quick sometimes.

[Indy Gal]

Do you have anything anywhere at any time that he has stated that he dated her mother? Anyone else heard that? First time for me. Dumbfounded yeah...
I think this poster is confused. it has been stated that Tina, Steph and Todds mom, dated CTM. It is very easy to get lost in all this LOL Happens to the best of us.

[justche]

Think possibly some confusion here - my understanding is that Todd's mother dated CAS during a time when M and M's mom lived with Todd and his sister. I never got the impression that M's mom and Todd dated.

He makes it sound like he did on the CNN interview

[dellemma]

I didn't hear Todd state that he dated "M's" mother but the caption under his name during the CNN interview said "Dated Victim's Mother". Maybe they (CNN) got it wrong, but I'm guessing that's where the info came from.

[itsreenw]

IF the above post is correct, Stephani and M's mom were roommates. No mention of Tina living there, too.

So when Stephani identified the sheets as hers, then corrected herself and said "my friends", one would assume that she did own the sheets but M's mom had a bedroom at Stephani's house and those sheets were on the bed M's moms slept in. Probably the reason she corrected herself.

Question....WTF would Stiles be doing at Stephani and M's mom's house when nobody was home? In M's mom's bedroom? Alone with M??
Wonder if he was sleeping with Tina AND M's mom.

Something tells me meth use is going to come out in this story.

[Indy Gal]

Hopefully I did this right...LOL

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Summary of Information
Chester “Chet” Arthur Stiles (37 years old)

Background
B/D 9/14/1970 – Born in Kentucky
Mother: Sandra L. Cooke
Father: Chester Stiles – born April 7, 1950 (39 at time of marriage to the mother)
Father appears to have divorced CAS’s mother, and remarried in 1990.
Stepmom: Diane Young
Father died 12/15/1995 at age of 45
Parents were residents of Jefferson County Kentucky at time of marriage.
Has lived in Pahrump, Nevada
Most recent address was in Las Vegas
Last seen in Las Vegas two weeks ago.
Former animal trainer for illusionist Siegfried & Roy
RUMOR: Past experience as Navy Seal
RUMOR: martial artist
RUMOR: doesn’t gamble or drink
RUMOR: always carries a knife with him
RUMOR: has told people he would never be taken alive.
RUMOR: May currently be in Southern California due to recent warrant
Left Las Vegas to avoid apprehension after being warned by family.
RUMOR: Stiles is paranoid.Current Crime Facts
Victim (“Madison”) was 3 years old when assault occurred.
Assault occurred in Las Vegas in 2003.
CAS does not appear to be related to the family of the assault, but is a friend of the family “several tier’s away”.
Assault was recorded on videotape OVER a segment of peeping tom footage of another 11 year old girl.
The peeping tom incident with the older girl was in October, 2005.
LE became aware of CAS when a Las Vegas attorney notified them that a client had told the attorney that HE was “110 percent positive Stiles was the man on the videotape.” This tip occurred within 30 minutes of the name of the victim being aired.
Tips have also come in from prison inmates.
Pending charges upon arrest include:
Sexual assault of a minor
Lewd behavior with a minor
Possibly kidnapping
Victim’s mother was unaware of her child having been abused.
Victim’s mother was unaware of the media attention and had not seen the news.
Victim’s mother became aware of situation when the mother of one of “M”’s playmates called and told her “your daughter is on TV.”
Victim’s mother was attempting to contact Nye County LE while they were trying to contact her.
Det. Boruchowitz traveled to the Las Vegas home and spoke with both the girl and her mother.
Mother recognized the TV on the video.Additional Criminal History
Outstanding warrant for lewdness with a child (wanted in Las Vegas)
The other crime victim was a 6 year old girl who told authorities about the assault that occurred on or about 12/13/2003.
4/26/2004 - Arrest warrant issued for the 12/13/03 assault. CAS fled when he learned of his arrest warrant.
CAS has been arrested by Las Vegas police at least five times between 2001 and 2003.o 04/2003 - Conspiracy to Commit Grand Larceny Auto
o 06/1999 - Possession of an Unregistered Firearm, Resisting a Police Officer, Obstructing a Police Officer, Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Battery Domestic Violence.
o 06/1999 - Aiming a firearm
o 02/2001 - Probation Violation - C.C.W., Battery-Domestic Violence, False Information to a Police Officer, Resisting a Public Officer, Battery by a Prisoner (2 CTS)
o 02/2001 - Contempt of Court
o 04/2001 - Grand Larceny and Auto Burglary
o 05/2001 - Leaving the Scene of an Accident

Additional Characters Involved

Darren Tuck
26 years old
Resident of Pahrump, also parents (dad & step-mother) live in Pahrump.
Turned video over to NyeCounty officials on Sept. 8, 2007 after another man reported seeing it.
Arrested on charges of promoting child pornography and possession of child porn.
Released without bail pending an appearance Nov. 26 in Pahrump Justice Court.
LE plans to arrest Tuck for violating probation relating to unpaid child support case.
Told LE he found the tape in the desert outside Pahrump more than five months ago.
He said he waited to show LE the video because he was “scared”.
Tuck’s lawyer is Tom Gibson
Tuck failed a lie detector test on Friday, September 28, 2007.Stephanie Allen
Name mentioned by two reporters during 9/28/07 press conference
RUMOR: Attorney in Las Vegas
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[MsPooh]

I think this poster is confused. it has been stated that Tina, Steph and Todds mom, dated CTM. It is very easy to get lost in all this LOL Happens to the best of us.

I am sorry if that came off snippy everyone..I just watched the interview again here:http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/30/rape.tape.girl/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
and also has a caption on there that he "dated victims Mother"
but I didn't hear him say that, I wish the media would just check things before they put them out so that they do not add unneeded confusion to an already confusing case.

[Al_B]

IF the above post is correct, Stephani and M's mom were roommates. No mention of Tina living there, too.

So when Stephani identified the sheets as hers, then corrected herself and said "my friends", one would assume that she did own the sheets but M's mom had a bedroom at Stephani's house and those sheets were on the bed M's moms slept in. Probably the reason she corrected herself.

Question....WTF would Stiles be doing at Stephani and M's mom's house when nobody was home? In M's mom's bedroom? Alone with M??
Wonder if he was sleeping with Tina AND M's mom.

Something tells me meth use is going to come out in this story.

I believe Tina and Stiles would hang out there sometimes and at times Tina was asked to babysit she may have went out or taken a nap or something and thats how stiles came to be in contact with the baby

[DeltaDawn]

Here is the link to Todd's interview with CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/30/rape.tape.girl/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

I listened to that tape again and I still do not hear Todd saying he was anything other then he lived with his sister, her best friend ("M"'S mOM) and M at the time this took place...nothing about him dating "m"'s mom.

[Indy Gal]

[quote=MsPooh;1709856]I am sorry if that came off snippy everyone..quote]
NEVER!:blowkiss:

[Indy Gal]

I listened to that tape again and I still do not hear Todd saying he was anything other then he lived with his sister, her best friend ("M"'S mOM) and M at the time this took place...nothing about him dating "m"'s mom.

I didn't hear Todd state that he dated "M's" mother but the caption under his name during the CNN interview said "Dated Victim's Mother". Maybe they (CNN) got it wrong, but I'm guessing that's where the info came from.

I think this poster is confused. it has been stated that Tina, Steph and Todds mom, dated CTM. It is very easy to get lost in all this LOL Happens to the best of us.
Only reposting in case you missed, moving fast here:crazy:

[DeltaDawn]

Indy you are on fire tonight..lol

[lizzybeth]

I just have to post my feelings on this and I'm not sure why it matters but I can't shake it.

Todd, looks exactly like "M". If he's not her father then why does she have the wide eyes, same nose and unmistakable lips? If he is her father, then why does he claim to have just dated her mother? I'm dumbfounded. Am I the only one that sees it?

You could be right. BTW I e-mailed him and told him he might want to make his site private or at least take "M's" pictures off his page.

[mrs.kravitz]

can someone pm me the myspace links please? thanks!

[DeltaDawn]

I f he was "M"'s father and he knew CAS I don't think he'd be giving interviews to CNN...I think he'd be DOG'S new best friend.

[Tom'sGirl]

You could be right. BTW I e-mailed him and told him he might want to make his site private or at least take "M's" pictures off his page.

He's only 23 and even has his HotorNot photo there, so he is wanting to connect.

Hopefully he will just delete 'Ms' photos, and one I think may be her mother...........otherwise, no harm.

[lizzybeth]

I think the caption was supposed to say that Stiles dated Todd's mom. They just didn't clarify that in the caption.

[DeltaDawn]

I think the caption was supposed to say that Stiles dated Todd's mom. They just didn't clarify that in the caption.

I agree.. sometimes to get things on the air quickly they make mistakes..like this one.

[lizzybeth]

Does anyone think that the reason LE hasn't given a description of CAS's vehicle that he either doesn't have one or they think if they do he'll dump it and get another?

[Jaded]

Does anyone think that the reason LE hasn't given a description of CAS's vehicle that he either doesn't have one or they think if they do he'll dump it and get another?

I don't know why they wouldn't give details on his vehicle. Someone would see it and even if he did dump it, if he's on foot they would be bound to find him soon.

[DeltaDawn]

He's only 23 and even has his HotorNot photo there, so he is wanting to connect.

Hopefully he will just delete 'Ms' photos, and one I think may be her mother...........otherwise, no harm.

I agree..he's not her Dad. I also thought that maybe one or two of those pictures were of "M"'s mom. So I also emailed him. Hopefully he will atleast delete the pictures if not set this to private for the time being.

[jilly]

Reannan,

FWIW- Stephanie seemed genuinely shocked when she saw the picture. I'm thinking that Stephanie may be the one who called LE and identified M.

I heard that it was a neighbor of the mother.

[Tom'sGirl]

I f he was "M"'s father and he knew CAS I don't think he'd be giving interviews to CNN...I think he'd be DOG'S new best friend.

And if he were 'Ms' father he would have been 16 when she was born....which of course is possible, but not probable.

In any event, I think between the media 'boo-boos' and misinterpretation here by some readers, some things have been posted that were/are in error.

Like I posted earlier, I think Stephani is the friend of 'M's' mom, and not a direct friend to Tina other than through her daughter.

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone think that the reason LE hasn't given a description of CAS's vehicle that he either doesn't have one or they think if they do he'll dump it and get another?
Could be he doesn't have one, but by now I would think tips have come in tying him to possible autos he might have access to.

[DeltaDawn]

Even though the house, he says apartment, but it looked to be a townhouse to me, is in their Mom's name ..she may have just signed for the lease for them since they would have been teens at that time. And my bet is they would have wanted to be on their own vs being around CAS

[MsPooh]

[quote=MsPooh;1709856]I am sorry if that came off snippy everyone..quote]
NEVER!:blowkiss:
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[DeltaDawn]

Could be he doesn't have one, but by now I would think tips have come in tying him to possible autos he might have access to.

He does have a truck that was posted earlier. In the interview with Todd Allen he stated CAS could live along side of the ride in his truck due to his survivialist background.

[jilly]

Like I posted earlier, I think Stephani is the friend of 'M's' mom, and not a direct friend to Tina other than through her daughter.

I agree.

About the bedsheets, she firstly said her sheets and then her friends sheets. Perhaps since they were roomies they shared sheets. But I'm sure she said it was her room.

[DeltaDawn]

I agree.

About the bedsheets, she firstly said her sheets and then her friends sheets. Perhaps since they were roomies they shared sheets. But I'm sure she said it was her room.

She did say it was her room..right there in that house..the reporter even clarified that with her. She said that the sheets were her firends.

Doesn't that just really incent everyone even more..to know he did this in "M"'s Momma's room. That horrible hellious pig!! That 's why I said earlier I would need LE to come in that house and take everything from that room as evidence or else I would have to take it out to the desert to burn...I just couldn't live with that stuff there. I'd have to purge the room, repaint it and redo it totally different to be able to walk in there again.

[Dryad]

I just watched the CNN interview again with Todd. It's possible that he dated M's mom after she was born (not the father) because he says they all lived together. Meeting his sister's best friend and dating her, living in the same house, very probable that if not still dating they are close friends.

The other thing that jumped out at me was he mentioned "the children"...there were more than one in that house beside M. This could have happened to another child in that house we don't know of.

[Tom'sGirl]

He does have a truck that was posted earlier. In the interview with Todd Allen he stated CAS could live along side of the ride in his truck due to his survivialist background.

What was missing from the interview though was, how long ago has it been since Todd saw CAS when he had that truck?

[DeltaDawn]

What was missing from the interview though was, how long ago has it been since Todd saw CAS when he had that truck?
True, but since he suposedly saw him within the past two weeks. Didn't hear that in this interview, someone stated that from the original interview early today. Then he very well may know what he was driving then.

[Tom'sGirl]

I just watched the CNN interview again with Todd. It's possible that he dated M's mom after she was born (not the father) because he says they all lived together. Meeting his sister's best friend and dating her, living in the same house, very probable that if not still dating they are close friends.

The other thing that jumped out at me was he mentioned "the children"...there were more than one in that house beside M. This could have happened to another child in that house we don't know of.

Yes, it appears from his MySpace page that his sister Stephani had at least two at the time they were all living together. Her third child is very young, so wasn't around at that period of time.

[Indy Gal]

http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14239352/detail.html

Nye County Sheriff Tony DeMeo said Tuck was on the run but his options ran out, saying media coverage of the case made him "too hot to handle."(( DUH DUMBA$$)) Prosecutors are set to charge Tuck with possession of child pornography and possibly promoting child pornography Monday, DeMeo said.

[Tom'sGirl]

True, but since he suposedly saw him within the past two weeks. Didn't hear that in this interview, someone stated that from the original interview early today. Then he very well may know what he was driving then.

Wasn't it Det. Boruchowitz that stated CAS has been seen two weeks ago, not Todd.............correct me here if I'm wrong, but I heard or read nothing where Todd had mentioned that fact.

[Al_B]

If Todd seen him out in public before he was named at all then its hard to say if he knows for certain what Stiles was driving.

I see people out at stores and such not sure at all what their in.

I also believe they said Stiles preferred a certain type of victim but I don't know if they have had a chance to interview anyone to see if thats changed.(prefer's little girls from what I took as opposed to boys or both,not sure how it works but from programs I have watched I am guessing thats how it works some like one or the other and others want both)

[Indy Gal]

Wasn't it Let. Boruchowitz that stated CAS has been seen two weeks ago, not Todd.............correct me here if I'm wrong, but I heard or read nothing where Todd had mentioned that fact.
No you are correct!;)

[itsreenw]

This TV station seems to be stating as a fact that Stiles is a former Navy Seal and martial artist.

It also says they've received tips from prison-lockup. Everybody hates Chester and his kind.

http://www.ktnv.com/global/story.asp?s=7145807

[Tom'sGirl]

No you are correct!;)

Thank you Indy, I meant Det., not Lt............duh!

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It's Todd Allen
Stiles dated Todd's mom
Todd's mom and stiles would hang out over at said apartment and mom would sometimes watch her.
The family is trying to figure out how he was left alone with her(they probably felt he was safe not knowing his record or lust)

But when Todd seen him last week or so he had longer hair.


This is where I got the info on the interview this morning that said he was seen by Todd in the last week or so and his hair was longer then in photos currently distributed. Then in the snip of an interview I watched tonight he said about CAS being able to survive in his truck along the road.
Wish CNN would rebroadcast the entire interview so we cold all see it at one time.

[SeriouslySearching]

It wouldn't surprise me if there weren't more tapes with others...as horrific as it is to think about it. I wonder where Stiles would have hidden them. Would he have kept them after this? Did he dispose of them? He is a demented person and those are his "trophies". LE needs to comb every bus locker in the area and storage facilities.

Hmmmm...he could be traveling by bus. I hope they have the posters circulating through those stations.

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It's Todd Allen
Stiles dated Todd's mom
Todd's mom and stiles would hang out over at said apartment and mom would sometimes watch her.
The family is trying to figure out how he was left alone with her(they probably felt he was safe not knowin