Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart #3

[Jeana (DP)]

Please continue here. Thanks!!!

[FormerRichmondRes]

Carrying over from here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184

and here . . .

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53752

[notfaraway]

This might have already been posted but this case has so many posts

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10270&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45



tam1190

before siging off id like the people of centerville to know some things about these two girls on how i remember them.
erin always would come in with a smile never a sad face. she enjoyed going to work at the taco chicken place. she couldnt wait to find a boyfrined when she did she was so excited to bring him down to meet me to hear me say how cute he was at that time. when she got pregnant she had kelly tell me then she walked in my door with a look waiting for me to preach like there parents would i just hugged her and told her i cant wait to see it and i hoped she had a girl because she was naming it james jr if a boy so i refused for her to have a girl. she was scared to tell the parents because she was so young but they were happy to be having a grandbaby.
kelly great girl would do anything for anyone especially her sister. they were always together until the boyfriend appeared so she come talk to me and waste time til she could hang out with her friends. i remember her gracking up when she got into her van but it was mine to leave mine looks identical to hers she always sad hers was nicer it was. she always wanted a boyfriend but she was picky i told her shed never find one as good as her .she loved her dad he would come in and bring her money all the time and always take her shopping i used to make fun of them of shopping i always told them i wish my dad woould take me shopping he was always doing something with the girls.he was there one day and she sat on his lap beggin to take her to a certain store and i told her she was spoiled and the dad said yeh and she said she was daddys little girl.
the dad hes a great man for what i met of him wonderful personality and always talked highly of the girls i never got a chance to meet the mom she brought them money one time.
i just want to say this is the wrong family for this tragedy to happen to and im glad i got the chance to know them i did ill never forget i hope this all comes out and puts the girls to rest so we a;; can heall

[Truthful Lies]

Oh wow...I'm trying to read these posts from the pal-item forum and the down style is giving me a headache! Interesting that Dad spoiled them so much...I didn't sit on my Dad's lap at that age...nor did any of my friends.

Interesting that alcoholism is brought up more than once.

[dellemma]

I was just told by a source very close to James that he (James) took a polygraph at the Indiana State Police location in Pendleton Indiana. This person says that James passed the poly.

[Truthful Lies]

Question: could anti-anxiety medications sedate a person enough for a neutral polygraph?

[Smugshots]

Question: could anti-anxiety medications sedate a person enough for a neutral polygraph?

Do you they normally drug test someone when they give them a polygraph for this very reason?

[FormerRichmondRes]

Q. What drugs can affect a Polygraph test?
Anti-depressant medication (i.e., Lithium, Prozac, Valium or Xanax). These drugs DO NOT allow someone to 'beat' a polygraph, contrary to some claims. It will give skewed results that are immediately seen in the Pre-test Process. Only the Examiner, through the Pre-test Process, can determine if the subject can take a Polygraph while on these drugs.

From http://www.accreditedpolygraphservices.com/products/

[Indiana at Heart]

I was just told by a source very close to James that he (James) took a polygraph at the Indiana State Police location in Pendleton Indiana. This person says that James passed the poly.


Well if he did it should hit the papers so they can clear James!

[ucka]

Hey guys I'm new here I have been following this story from the beginning. It took a while for my account to get verified so I am posting this now.

Anyway from this post in thread #2....

This might be a stepmom
HAGERSTOWN, Ind. -- Karen Sue Adkins, 49, of Hagerstown, died Thursday, May 18, 2006.
Born June 18, 1956, in New Castle, she was the daughter of John and Roberta Bennett Overbey.

Survivors include her mother; son, Brett Adkins; stepchildren, Jennifer, Amber and James McFarland; sisters, Fran Werking, Rita Risch, Lynda Guilmette and Bonnie Thalls; brother, John Overbey.

Her father died in 2005.

I just wanted to point out that Brett Adkins is James' myspace friend who goes by the name JokerP.

Also I have the unedited audio from the 911 from the Greta show if anyone wants it still. There isn't anything different except for the part where the mom says Erin "pi**ed herself"

Good work on this case and others, I have been reading all your posts everyday.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was just told by a source very close to James that he (James) took a polygraph at the Indiana State Police location in Pendleton Indiana. This person says that James passed the poly. This would be an interesting twist, wouldn't it?! Of course, you have to consider the source. Until LE clears him...which shouldn't be long if he did pass the poly...it will leave two.

[FormerRichmondRes]

Hey guys I'm new here I have been following this story from the beginning. . . . . Good work on this case and others, I have been reading all your posts everyday.


Welcome!

[Taximom]

Well, like I said before, "What If". I'm glad James took a poly, I think that says a lot about him. He's still under my radar though!

I really think they should do a paternity test. I won't say what I could be thinking if James isn't involved.

Welcome ucka! Don't be shy.

[dellemma]

This would be an interesting twist, wouldn't it?! Of course, you have to consider the source. Until LE clears him...which shouldn't be long if he did pass the poly...it will leave two.


I can't say for certain of course because I wasn't there but I will say that as of right now, I believe my source.

[ucka]

Somebody logged into James myspace account today, and his friend count went from 12 to 15, but it looks like the new "friends" are just the usual fake skank spam accounts. But still someone had to log in and approve them. I doubt if LE was checking his account they would be approving friend requests.

Other than that nothing else is new, no new comments or pictures etc.

[SeriouslySearching]

You know my thoughts on this case. For some reason, I don't feel like James was involved in their deaths. I hope Dell's source is correct and he did pass the poly. Not only would this put the pressure on LE to figure out exactly what DID happen and to look beyond the boyfriend theory...it should allow James to stay in the life of his child.

[Indiana at Heart]

Hey guys I'm new here I have been following this story from the beginning. It took a while for my account to get verified so I am posting this now.

Anyway from this post in thread #2....



I just wanted to point out that Brett Adkins is James' myspace friend who goes by the name JokerP.

Also I have the unedited audio from the 911 from the Greta show if anyone wants it still. There isn't anything different except for the part where the mom says Erin "pi**ed herself"

Good work on this case and others, I have been reading all your posts everyday.



Thanks for the info on Joker

[dellemma]

You know my thoughts on this case. For some reason, I don't feel like James was involved in their deaths. I hope Dell's source is correct and he did pass the poly. Not only would this put the pressure on LE to figure out exactly what DID happen and to look beyond the boyfriend theory...it should allow James to stay in the life of his child.

I agree with you 100%!

[gooniequeen]

for everyday that goes by with no suspect named I am more and more sensing that James is NOT responsible for their deaths.

Now I am getting a much more sinister vibe - and I think several of you are with me on this.

I want more details on the girls immediate family.

[SeriouslySearching]

I want LE to tell us the person/people present for both deaths and then confirm the results of their polygraph test/tests.

[gooniequeen]

I want LE to tell us the person/people present for both deaths and then confirm the results of their polygraph test/tests.

And I want to still believe in Santa Claus :crazy:

I have been a crime junkie for many many years and I have never seen something as bizzare as this with the LE giving NO details. Many times LE leak information to get tips from the public - but not in this case. It's a very arrogant posture they are taking IMO.

How can they be so certain no one else is in danger?

Seems pretty darn irresponsible if you ask me. Aren't these folks elected officials? Where is the outrage?

:banghead:

[CvilleCit]

OMG!!! You guys have gone crazy! I don't check for 48 hours and come back with 20 pages to read. Jeez!
-I am losing respect for PI
-I would normally think that they would let us know SOMETHING. They really aren't giving the locals any information that will relase some of the general tention in this case. Living in the small town with this going on you would think that they would at least give comforting words or something. Some general words to the public.
-I have ruled out Mom/Dad and can't figure out what's taking them so long to nail this person. Who all could have been involved?
-Can anyone find some sort of list or something that gives insight to how an investigation is done? General rules of thumb that will tell us what might be taking so long?

[Taximom]

(snipped)
-I have ruled out Mom/Dad and can't figure out what's taking them so long to nail this person. Who all could have been involved?


Welcome back! lol If this place was a set of encyclopedias, I think I might have read all volumes at least 20 times by now!

Why or how have you ruled out Mom/Dad? I'm just curious.

[calidreamin]

Hi everyone! Taximom I havent been following things here as much as I would like because of my kids so fill a sista in LOL. James has taken a poly? That puts a new twist on things.

[gooniequeen]

Why or how have you ruled out Mom/Dad? I'm just curious.

Yes I am curious how you have ruled them out as well.

Also can you shed any light on the parents. Were there ever rumors of alcholism? Abuse? Problems?

What were their general personalities like?

[SeriouslySearching]

I have ruled out Mom/Dad and can't figure out what's taking them so long to nail this person. Who all could have been involved?
-Can anyone find some sort of list or something that gives insight to how an investigation is done? General rules of thumb that will tell us what might be taking so long?
In answer to your question of who all COULD have been involved: Mom, Dad, and James are at the top of the list. Anytime you have a suspicious death or homicide...LE has to look at the people who were present or had direct access first. If James passed his polygraph (which is only rumor), the parents would still be considered prime persons of interest in the case. After these 2, the list would grow to include family, friends, and acquaintances then move to everyone else on the planet.

There is no real list to detail how an investigation is supposed to work. It varies from agency to agency and is under the direction of the lead person in charge of the case.

Most likely, they would begin first by ascertaining and collecting direct evidence from the scene before the body is ever removed (unless the person is still alive and sent to the hospital). Evidence could be anything they deem pertinent to the case...ie. blood spatter, bodily fluids, fingerprints, clothing, hair, fibers, and all of the above plus tons more. They will photograph/videotape all evidence and the scene.

They will take statements from those present and begin to develop a course for the investigation from there.

One possible reason this is taking so long is because they are working two cases separately, but in conjunction with two different agencies. DNA testing and other tests take time to come back. They have to comb over the evidence, track down every lead given to them to follow up on, go over every detail leading up to and surrounding both deaths...and the list goes on. This is going to take a lot longer than a usual case. They have two crime scenes, two bodies, two of everything to compare and deduce.

[Taximom]

Hi everyone! Taximom I havent been following things here as much as I would like because of my kids so fill a sista in LOL. James has taken a poly? That puts a new twist on things.

Hi Cali! :blowkiss: What? You have a life outside of WS? :p

Check out comment #5 above for the poly "scoop".

[calidreamin]

Hi Cali! :blowkiss: What? You have a life outside of WS? :p

Check out comment #5 above for the poly "scoop".

Thanks sweetheart I will!:blowkiss:

[Indiana at Heart]

Still no new from Mr. Shipman!!! I'm getting very upset on this case!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

Still no new from Mr. Shipman!!! I'm getting very upset on this case!!!!
Take a deep breath and calm down....

It does get quite frustrating when there is no news especially if they give an indication there will be something forthcoming. I am learning patience with LE and the way they dangle that carrot knowing the public is waiting.

[FormerRichmondRes]

Something else from the PI forums . . .

" One minute, Im sure its one of the two ( james or Mr. Standly) and then Next neither makes sense. One thing that does is i'm sure theres nothing to fear, serial killer, myspace stalker ( as some of the rumors going around) Or the LE would have issued a Statement. I believe that they already KNOW who did it ( or they would have already came out and said otherwise) Its just a matter of getting ALL the evidence in order to make an arrest, so the person doesnt slip through the cracks or flee."

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10532&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105&sid=eacd4124244bc92e6c4ad5bb7a0e2a7b

Myspace stalker?

[gooniequeen]

People keep assumming James was in the room with her when she (Erin) died. As far as I know we do not know that. It is possible he was sleeping on the couch perhaps and "heard" something?

1. A struggle
2. Erin trying to breath
3. The baby crying (were we ever able to find proof that Alexis was with Kelly the night Erin died and was not in the home)

Maggie



Joined: 28 Sep 2007
Posts: 3

http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=62370&sid=ba0ecd6740a9bf5826f4a6d1daaf048d#62370)Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: Yes Lonny has worked in a nursing home before as well as her siblings. However if the boyfriend who might I add was the only one in the room with her waited until it was to late to revive her. Then What! What I don't understand is he was in the room with her.He called out to her parents.Did someone else slip in and smother her without him knowing.hmm I wonder

[dellemma]

Something else from the PI forums . . .

" One minute, Im sure its one of the two ( james or Mr. Standly) and then Next neither makes sense. One thing that does is i'm sure theres nothing to fear, serial killer, myspace stalker ( as some of the rumors going around) Or the LE would have issued a Statement. I believe that they already KNOW who did it ( or they would have already came out and said otherwise) Its just a matter of getting ALL the evidence in order to make an arrest, so the person doesnt slip through the cracks or flee."

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10532&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105&sid=eacd4124244bc92e6c4ad5bb7a0e2a7b

Myspace stalker?


It's been awhile since I looked at Kelly's Myspace page but I don't remember seeing anything stalkerish there (Of course Erin's is private so I haven't seen it). Also, one of Kelly's friends mentioned that Kelly was talking with a guy who lived in Florida...wouldn't she mention if Kelly was feeling skiddish because of someone online. But then again it is said that LE is looking at their personal computer data. I know you didn't write that post FormerRichmondRes, I'm just thinking out loud here.

[dellemma]

People keep assumming James was in the room with her when she (Erin) died. As far as I know we do not know that. It is possible he was sleeping on the couch perhaps and "heard" something?

1. A struggle
2. Erin trying to breath
3. The baby crying (were we ever able to find proof that Alexis was with Kelly the night Erin died and was not in the home)


You are right, we don't even know if James was sleeping in the same room as Erin.

[Indiana at Heart]

Take a deep breath and calm down....

It does get quite frustrating when there is no news especially if they give an indication there will be something forthcoming. I am learning patience with LE and the way they dangle that carrot knowing the public is waiting.


Ok I'll clam down but it's hard!

[gooniequeen]

another thing that creeps me out (and breaks my heart at the same time) is that poor little Alexis was all alone in that house from whatever time Dale Stanley left for work on the morning on the 6th until Lonny Stanley came home with Kelly being dead.

Maybe Alexis was screaming when Lonny got home and Lonny was like "why isn't Kelly getting her"! and that's when she checked on her?

[gooniequeen]

You are right, we don't even know if James was sleeping in the same room as Erin.

My guess is he wasn't.

[yourfriendbuddy]

They have two crime scenes, two bodies, two of everything to compare and deduce.


Well, not anymore... one was cremated.

Thats why people in town cry cover-up.

[gooniequeen]

Well, not anymore... one was cremated.

Thats why people in town cry cover-up.

but coverup on WHOS part? LE didnt cremate her, her family did.

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, I am aware the family had her cremated...but the forensics were still done previously. They did have 2 bodies to do testing on.

I think the only cover up came from the killer in this case. Was the second death an effort to cover up the first one? If it walks like a duck...

[gooniequeen]

Yes, I am aware the family had her cremated...but the forensics were still done previously. They did have 2 bodies to do testing on.

I was replying to the PP who said the folks in centerville were crying "cover up" and I took it they were saying this partly becasue Erin had been cremated. So my reply was that her parents had her creamted not LE so who are they directing the coverup comment to? LE or Family?

[Indy Gal]

Yes, I am aware the family had her cremated...but the forensics were still done previously. They did have 2 bodies to do testing on.

I think the only cover up came from the killer in this case. Was the second death an effort to cover up the first one? If it walks like a duck...
Hey Hun! Still catching up but i have always thought since they didnt consider Erins death susp. How well was that autopsy done? We all know thay only stayed at the crime scene for like 30 minutes IIRC.

[SeriouslySearching]

An autopsy was performed because it was an unattended death (by an MD) and there are standard tests for toxicology etc. The report is all they will have to go on, but should contain enough information for the investigation.

When I first heard she was cremated...my first thought was "too convenient" and made me even more interested in the parents.

[gooniequeen]

Well I just cannot wait to hear what Shipman and the rest of the "gang" have to say. it's most likely that this mortician/coroner did a crap job with Erin and not until AFTER she was cremated AND Kelly was killed did it occur to anyone that is was foul play...and along with Erin went all the DNA evidence.

again, like others have said, otherwise healthy 19 year old die in their sleep all the time.

what's the Coroner's name again?

[SeriouslySearching]

I was replying to the PP who said the folks in centerville were crying "cover up" and I took it they were saying this partly becasue Erin had been cremated. So my reply was that her parents had her creamted not LE so who are they directing the coverup comment to? LE or Family?
;) So was I. LOL I was replying to "Buddy", too. I think Buddy was probably inferring cover up to mean by LE...but they would have no reason. Right?

[gooniequeen]

anyone see this? Article (sounds more like an editorial) regarding the ineptness of the Coroner.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070910/NEWS01/709100304/1008


Evidence collected before cremation
BY MICHELLE MANCHIR
STAFF WRITER



All the evidence available in the Sept. 1 death of a Centerville teen had apparently been collected before her body's cremation this week, said Wayne County Coroner Kevin Fouche on Sunday evening.
Before the autopsy of 19-year-old Erin Stanley's body, Fouche said officials "got all the evidence we were able to obtain before it was released for disposition."

The issue arose after Doan and Mills funeral home officials disclosed that Erin Stanley's body had been cremated.

"(There was) no need in holding up the family's wishes to have the body cremated," Fouche said.
It is believed that Erin Stanley may have been strangled, according to state police spokesman Noel Houze. Her body was found at her family's 704 Elm Drive home.
Meanwhile, authorities were unable to pinpoint the cause of death of Kelly Stanley following an autopsy Saturday. Kelly Stanley was Erin's 18-year-old sister whose body was found by her parents, Dale and Lonny Stanley, on Friday morning inside her family's home.
The Stanleys' home was unattended Sunday afternoon. No police vehicles were in the area, and a call to Dale Stanley, the father of both victims, went unanswered. Meanwhile, a spokesperson at Indiana State Police said there were no updates in the death investigations Sunday. The state police have requested that further questioning be forwarded to Mike Shipman, Wayne County prosecutor, who told Palladium-Item on Friday he will not discuss the case or answer questions until Monday. A call to Shipman's cell phone went unanswered Sunday.

[gooniequeen]

all better now :doh:

I just found this article. Thank GAWD, Coroner Fouche was 99% sure it was a drug overdose. I swear I have never heard a coroner use the term "99% sure"

:banghead:

http://cache.zoominfo.com/CachedPage/?archive_id=0&page_id=1479057259&page_url=%2f%2fwww.indystar.com%2fapps%2fpbcs.dll% 2farticle%3fAID%3d%2f20060319%2fNEWS01%2f603190520 %2f1006%2fNEWS01&page_last_updated=3%2f19%2f2006+6%3a25%3a18+AM&firstName=Kevin&lastName=Fouche

2 men discovered dead likely suffered overdoses

Richmond -- Two men found dead in an eastern indiana home from apparent drug overdoses were suspected of robbing a pharmacy of the painkiller OxyContin about 13 hours before a friend found their bodies, police said.

Nelson Reed, 28, and David Walker, 23, were found dead Friday morning on the floor of Walker's tidy bungalow, Richmond Police Detective Sgt. Brad Berner said.

Reed was subsequently identified as the man who hopped over the counter of a CVS Pharmacy in Richmond on Thursday night, told the pharmacist, "Don't worry, I'm a nice guy," and made off with a bottle of 80-milligram OxyContin tablets, Berner told the Palladium-Item.

An OxyContin bottle found by police at Walker's home was traced to the CVS robbery in the city about 70 miles east of Indianapolis.

"And we've got a picture of him (Reed) on the surveillance camera," Berner said.

A woman who told police she had been "partying" with the pair the night before found the bodies of the two men when she woke up at about 10:30 a.m. Friday, police said.

Berner said cardiopulmonary resuscitation was attempted.

"It's our understanding they had been grinding the pills up and snorting them," Berner said, adding that the pair also had been drinking alcohol.

Wayne County Coroner Kevin Fouche said neither victim had any signs of trauma, and he is "99 percent sure" the pair succumbed to overdoses.

[SeriouslySearching]

I just found this article. Thank GAWD, Coroner Fouche was 99% sure it was a drug overdose. I swear I have never heard a coroner use the term "99% sure":banghead:




LOL Now that you mention it...I haven't either. :eek:

(I take it to mean until he gets the tests back tho...er...well...at least, I hope that is what he means!)

[gooniequeen]

well let's hope they FINALLY got the results back...I mean that article was from March of '06...but I guess you never know...

:dance:

[SeekingJustice]

I am not sure in which post, but I think I remember someone saying that the autopsy or autopsies were done in Ft. Wayne, not here by the Wayne County Coronor...does anyone else remember seeing this?

[cardionurse]

Yes, the autopsies were done at hospital in Fort Wayne. I don't know why Wayne County contracts with Allen County. No word on who actually did the autopsy. W.C. coroner is an elected position, not a medical pathologist.

[FormerRichmondRes]

I am not sure in which post, but I think I remember someone saying that the autopsy or autopsies were done in Ft. Wayne, not here by the Wayne County Coronor...does anyone else remember seeing this?

As was mentioned before, the coroner is an elected position. Kevin Fouche did NOT perform the autopsies - they called in an outside pathology lab to do that.

[cardionurse]

Do you know why the autopsies were done in Fort Wayne instead of Reid Memorial? Reid is a large enough hospital to be doing their own autopsies.

Erin probably didn't have a life insurance policy and the family went with cremation because of the high cost of funerals/burials. This isn't a family with a lot of extra money. I don't think it had anything to do with a cover-up by the family.

The parents both took polygraph tests at the same time as James. All were supposedly cleared. If there was an issue with the parents, CPS would have been involved by this point and the baby wouldn't still be with them.


As was mentioned before, the coroner is an elected position. Kevin Fouche did NOT perform the autopsies - they called in an outside pathology lab to do that.

[dancer_girl]

People keep assumming James was in the room with her when she (Erin) died. As far as I know we do not know that. It is possible he was sleeping on the couch perhaps and "heard" something?

1. A struggle
2. Erin trying to breath
3. The baby crying (were we ever able to find proof that Alexis was with Kelly the night Erin died and was not in the home)

Maggie



Joined: 28 Sep 2007
Posts: 3

http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=62370&sid=ba0ecd6740a9bf5826f4a6d1daaf048d#62370)Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:29 pm Post subject: Yes Lonny has worked in a nursing home before as well as her siblings. However if the boyfriend who might I add was the only one in the room with her waited until it was to late to revive her. Then What! What I don't understand is he was in the room with her.He called out to her parents.Did someone else slip in and smother her without him knowing.hmm I wonder


ok....i do know that james WAS in the room. and no..alexis was NOT with kelly. i dont know if she was in the room with erin and james or not..but she was in the house.

[dancer_girl]

another thing that creeps me out (and breaks my heart at the same time) is that poor little Alexis was all alone in that house from whatever time Dale Stanley left for work on the morning on the 6th until Lonny Stanley came home with Kelly being dead.

Maybe Alexis was screaming when Lonny got home and Lonny was like "why isn't Kelly getting her"! and that's when she checked on her?

lonny didnt come home and find kelly. she woke up to the baby crying and needing to let the dog out...when she went to ask kelly for help with the baby ..thats when she found her.

[dancer_girl]

I am not sure in which post, but I think I remember someone saying that the autopsy or autopsies were done in Ft. Wayne, not here by the Wayne County Coronor...does anyone else remember seeing this?

erins was done in wayne county but kellys body was sent to fort wayne for an autopsy

[Indy Gal]

erins was done in wayne county but kellys body was sent to fort wayne for an autopsy
I was just looking for that. That is what I remember too!

[dellemma]

I'm not sure if this has been posted before and I know on the last thread we were wondering who made the 911 call the day Kelly died (Kelly's mom or dad).

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7143648&nav=menu188_2

Investigation continues in two sisters' mysterious deaths
Sep 28, 2007 03:50 PM CDT
Erin Stanley
Kelly Stanley

Rich Van Wyk/Eyewitness News

Centerville - On Monday it will be one month since the first of two Indiana sisters died mysteriously in their home. Police in Centerville have said very little, but there are new details available about the 911 call made after the second daughter's death....

According to the report, Dale Stanley called 911 saying his 18-year-old daughter Kelly was in bed not breathing. An arriving officer said it appeared as if the teenager had been dead for quite some time. Toxicology tests ruled out drugs or alcohol as a cause of death.

[SeriouslySearching]

lonny didnt come home and find kelly. she woke up to the baby crying and needing to let the dog out...when she went to ask kelly for help with the baby ..thats when she found her. This would indicate that James wasn't present when they found Kelly then...further assumption would be he wasn't in the house the night she died. This would narrow it down to the parents.

I understand the cost factor of having a cremation. I also understand the importance to a crime to have a body cremated before anyone figures it out.

[cardionurse]

That's interesting article. The transcription of the 2nd 911 call said "she" made the call.. and the only other person in the house was a 5 month old. How did we get to "Dad" made the 2nd 911 call?

From previous post:
"Here is the information that I had been waiting on from the 911 call from Kelly's death. I also saw that Channel 13 out of Indianapolis aired a segment tonight and had this information. This is not as good as a recording would be.

The printout shows that the 911 call came from the Stanley home, but does not say who the caller is. Comments have been entered by several people in this report. The called was received at 8:05 am on September 7, 2007.

Entry: "Not breathing"

Entry: "18 Y/O female"

Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

Entry: "Laying on the bed. Caller advising that she cannot touch her."

Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Entry: "Req 89-300" (coroner)

Entry: "Looks suspicious per cm4."

There are also entries for a prosecutor being contacted and officer being at prosecutor's office for search warrant. There is an entry mentioning James McFarland person of interest.

It sure would be nice to have the recording to listen to the caller identified as "she" and what was actually said."

[dellemma]

That's interesting article. The transcription of the 2nd 911 call said "she" made the call.. and the only other person in the house was a 5 month old. How did we get to "Dad" made the 2nd 911 call?
....


I agree...it's all so strange!

[itsreenw]

Did anyone ever have the chance to ask James why he didn't call 911 instead of going to wake the parents? The girl was BLUE!! I believe the mom asked James (on the 911 tape) if Erin had been out or was sick the night before and he said "no" as if he knew that for a fact. I think they were together all night. The parents went to bed at midnight and the mom didn't indicate Erin was out when they went to bed.

I believe James tried to strangle her but panicked when it took more of an effort than he expected. During those couple minutes he may have had a change of heart and didn't realize it was too late. And WHY was he not in the room with Erin the entire time they were trying to revive her? Where the hell was he? Dad was doing whatever mom told him to do. The mom had to put the 911 operator on hold to get the cordless phone and unlock the door for the EMT's herself. James couldn't have done those things for her? No yelling her name??? "Erin, Please don't die", etc...


Dont really understand though...I didn't think death from strangulation could be a delayed, lingering process. Meaning, I thought once the hands or object used was released from blocking the airway, that your breathing resumed. Does that make sense?? I know what I wanna say but it's not coming out right.

[miss_vegemite]

None of this makes any sense!! I am sooooh confused trying to figure this out??

I can't help it, but I keep thinking that it ties in with Kelly somehow?? I've been over and over her myspace.. i definately think her friend 'I'm Walking away from wat really hurts' is interesting!! his blogs are quite 'scary'...the anger side. I also found interesting the comment she had from her friend 'Chosen'

Last time I talked to you though was at the dairy queen. I will miss you. But I know I will see you someday. Its ok. Its over now....now you can rest. but you just started to live your life!!! and college.....If anyone ever gets this...know parents.

I'm wondering now if that is some sort of cryptic message?? I may be starting to go mad ;), this case is driving me insane LOL....

[miss_vegemite]

What does 'chosen' mean, when he says "its ok, it's over now"????

[Indiana at Heart]

What does 'chosen' mean, when he says "its ok, it's over now"????


Thats what I want to know. This case has had me :banghead: I just can't point in the right way. If the parents and James took the test and all passed it's time to look some where else! myspace is a start. I'm going crazy mad!! I know I know clam down!!!

[deb2007]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071002/NEWS01/710020302


Boyfriend: 'Nothing to hide'
Father of Erin Stanley's child says he's cooperating with authorities
BY BILL ENGLE
STAFF WRITER

This was in the PI today, 10/02/07. Interesting

[Indiana at Heart]

chosen myspace background is scary "Have a nice Death" wow

[Indiana at Heart]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071002/NEWS01/710020302


Boyfriend: 'Nothing to hide'
Father of Erin Stanley's child says he's cooperating with authorities
BY BILL ENGLE
STAFF WRITER

This was in the PI today, 10/02/07. Interesting


Wow I'm is shock!! I think he is telling the truth. I think it's time to look some where else in this death. Parents and myspace!! I'm still lost but at least it's something and he is talking now

[miss_vegemite]

Yes, I think we have got a bit stuck on James...the most obvious 'person of interest'.. if he was that obvious, then i would assume the Police may have already pulled him in for some serious questioning!!

I can't help but keep thinking that this has something to do with Kelly.. I just can't figure it out LOL...most puzzling case i've tried, from my 'armchair' recently!!

I imagine she would have been extremely sad, yet gullible and innocent re: Erins death...

Whose bedroom window was boarded up?? was it Erins or Kellies? or did they share a room? I just can't help but wonder if the perp was after Kelly from the start...

[Indiana at Heart]

Yes, I think we have got a bit stuck on James...the most obvious 'person of interest'.. if he was that obvious, then i would assume the Police may have already pulled him in for some serious questioning!!

I can't help but keep thinking that this has something to do with Kelly.. I just can't figure it out LOL...most puzzling case i've tried, from my 'armchair' recently!!

I imagine she would have been extremely sad, yet gullible and innocent re: Erins death...

Whose bedroom window was boarded up?? was it Erins or Kellies? or did they share a room? I just can't help but wonder if the perp was after Kelly from the start...

I think it might have something to due with Kelly do as Erin just moved back the night before "killer" thought he was getting Kelly but got Erin and went back to finsh the job. It was Kelly window that was boarded up!

Don't pay attn to my spelling not had my coffee yet!!

[miss_vegemite]

Geez am I obsessed lol!! but 'Chosen's comment

"now you can rest. but you just started to live your life!!! and college.....If anyone ever gets this...know parents. Im praying for you.

This comment...well, it seems a little weird to me. What does he mean, "if anyone ever gets this...know parents??? does that make sense to anyone? It may be my aussieness lol??

I'm a beginner ;-).....

[miss_vegemite]

Hey Indiana, I can't help but agree with you. I also believe the 'killer' didn't know Erin was back there... assumed that it would be Kelly and well, who knows what took place (probably James asleep in the lounge), this person, shocked, but pumped up...killed Erin

[Indiana at Heart]

Geez am I obsessed lol!! but 'Chosen's comment

"now you can rest. but you just started to live your life!!! and college.....If anyone ever gets this...know parents. Im praying for you.

This comment...well, it seems a little weird to me. What does he mean, "if anyone ever gets this...know parents??? does that make sense to anyone? It may be my aussieness lol??

I'm a beginner ;-).....


I'm obsessed too. I think he meant to say If anyone gets this, let the know parents I'm praying. I think! I think he meant it in a good way!

[Indiana at Heart]

Hey Indiana, I can't help but agree with you. I also believe the 'killer' didn't know Erin was back there... assumed that it would be Kelly and well, who knows what took place (probably James asleep in the lounge), this person, shocked, but pumped up...killed Erin


Yep I think he went after Kelly knowing that Erin was in Ohio he didn't know Erin came back and got the wrong sister! He had to go back a few days later and get Kelly cause she was talking to the cops!!

I hope the person that did this rot in HE!!. He took a little girl from her mother and aunt!

[miss_vegemite]

I agree with you, to see justice served is the reason we all spend our free time trying to help in some way.. My heart goes out terribly to the family and little baby Alexis..They all deserve and NEED closure to his horror. To lose two children and a mother, must be horrendous.

[Truthful Lies]

Interesting theory...that Erin was mistaken for Kelly. Could it really be something as sick and simple as being targeted by a stranger? That scares me more than personal motivation...but the only reason I can see someone coming back to finish things is a VERY personal reason. Following that train of thought, the parents would not have mistaken one girl for the other. Neither would James (presumably). Someone close enough to have a personal reason but not close enough to know details of Kelly's life (that her sister had come back, etc.)

[SuziQ]

Kelly being the intended target the whole time is very interesting. I just can't get past how someone else killed Erin with James sleeping right next to her. Did James and Erin go to bed at the same time? Or was Kelly in the room by herself for any length of time? I thought knowing if James was sleeping in Erin's bed would answer questions for me. Instead it has created more.

Although it is odd to have two apparently healthy young girls die naturally a week apart, are we sure it was murder?

ETA: remember, the DA flipped flopped on this being a homicide.

[miss_vegemite]

I may be wrong, but i am assuming from all I have read that we have no idea where "James" slept the night of Erins murder.. If her dad was so anti-james...its very possible he did sleep in the lounge etc...and woke up early am...thought he would sneek into Erins bed for a cuddle...but discovered her unconsious!!

[miss_vegemite]

This case is keeping me awake at night LOL...i really wish the police would hurry up and solve it!!!

[Truthful Lies]

I can honestly say that it wouldn't really matter what was going on around me if I was sleeping...I sleep through anything. Having a home alarm is important - I can't sleep through that siren.

[miss_vegemite]

Truthful Lies...I am also unaware of any outside influence waking me up!!! Short of a bomb exploding LOL...im gaa gaaaah...

[gooniequeen]

ohh, I love waking up to updates!

I still dont' see where it says James was IN the bed with Erin. He simply says he woke up heard Alexis and went to check on her and when he flipped the light on and realized Erin wasn't breathing.... (though mom says she was "tryin' to")

I find it strange that when moom was asked if anyone knew CPR she said no, yet James reports Dale was doing CPR on Erin. Maybe instinct just took over and he was attempting it?

Dancer Girl - I see you are new. I take it you are local to Cville and know the Stanleys? How do you know James was sleeping in the same room with Erin?

Also - I jut read in the P-I under comments to the latest article about James - that he already has a new girlfried? Are we sure of this?

[Hoosier Buckeye]

Hi, I'm new here, but not new to following this case. I live nearby, just across the Ohio border. I am from Richmond and my husband grew up in Centerville. I have been reading WS for awhile now.

While we all have many questions, I have a new one after reading the PI this morning. James said that Erin's Dad began doing CPR and the mom called 911. But Mrs. Stanley told the dispacher that no one in the house knew how to do CPR????????? According to James, the Stanley's just returned home from the hospital and stated that Erin didn't make it. One would have thought that there would have been calls back and forth from the hospital to the house keeping James informed, and James calling to see what was going on.

[Hoosier Buckeye]

An extremely reliable source has told me that one of the responders to the house, the morning that Erin was found, has stated that the Stanley's were both in another part of the house when they arrived but that James was in the bedroom with Erin. This is not surprising considering the way that the mom sounded on the 911 call. I just do not think that Mr. Stanley was doing CPR.

[gooniequeen]

they were in another part of the house? what is wrong with these people?

Re: calling from the hospital w/updates - after the way the parents have reacted so unemotionally up to this point it actually doesn't shock me that they wouldnt have.

I'm sure they came home, threw the keys on the kitchen table, opened the fridge, grabbed the OJ and said "well james...she didn't make it" and then took a big gulp right out of the container.

I still cannot see how these people "spoiled" these girls.

[Hoosier Buckeye]

Gooniequeen, I envision the scenario of the Stanley's coming home from the hospital just as you do. Which is why I do not think that the father performed CPR. Yes, I completely agree, these girls were not doted over, the 911 call shows that.

[SuziQ]

I'm sure they came home, threw the keys on the kitchen table, opened the fridge, grabbed the OJ and said "well james...she didn't make it" and then took a big gulp right out of the container.

I still cannot see how these people "spoiled" these girls.

Omg, I could see that happening. Why couldn't James go to the hospital with the baby?

[gooniequeen]

Can someone repost the 911 recording? the Greta one and the one that was released by the P-I.

With 50+ pages of posts i can't seem to locate it.

pretty please.

thx

[SuziQ]

In the previous thread, someone local described the memorial where the emotion of the family was not appropriate for the funeral of two girls who died suddenly and unexpectedly. But what really got me was the fact one of the parents, was it the mom? Was holding a donation bucket?

Does anyone find it odd that on Erin's 911 tape, that the mother only becomes concerned and grabs the cordless phone when someone with CPR knowledge arrives to help Erin? As if she only wants to know if Erin is saved at all?

[Shamrock]

I may have missed something but why is Alexis with her grandparents? I know they petitioned for custody but doesn't James have the automatic right to her?? Unless he's been officially named a suspect, I don't understand how the parents can get her over him?

[SewingDeb]

Shamrock, it may be because he and Erin were not married.

[miss_vegemite]

It's just so very strange..this case. But who does know what really did happen on that terrible morning that Erin was found?

Personally, I find it hard to judge these parents. I imagine the shock would be horrific. We all act differently under shock!

[Hoosier Buckeye]

The second 911 call print out shows that the cordless phone was not used again for that call.

[Hoosier Buckeye]

James may not be able to keep the baby right now. He is staying with family members. Both of his parents are deceased. He may not even have a job and a car.

[gooniequeen]

Shamrock, it may be because he and Erin were not married.

It should not matter if they were married or not - James is the father and by all means has automatic "rights" to Alexis. However James has no place to live so I would assume he initially decided to let Alexis stay with them and now they are suing for guardianship.

[Shamrock]

Is James listed on the birth certificate? As long as his name is on there, it wouldn't matter if they're married or not. The point about him not being able to care for her makes sense though. Is he working?

[richmond1998]

I was convinced yesterday that the boyfriend had nothing to do with the murders, now I'm not so sure. I can see him possibly sleeping through a strangulation, I know I can sleep through literally anything, but his comments about being engaged and planning on getting married seem really off to me. The one thing I constantly come back to is the fact that the baby is living with the Stanleys. After reading the article in the P-I, that seems to be fact now and trumps any idea I had that the parents might be involved. Looks like more questions have arose from the newest article.

[dancer_girl]

This would indicate that James wasn't present when they found Kelly then...further assumption would be he wasn't in the house the night she died. This would narrow it down to the parents.

I understand the cost factor of having a cremation. I also understand the importance to a crime to have a body cremated before anyone figures it out.

I see where youre coming from, but it really doesn't narrow it down. her window was completely cut out for evidence...couldn't he have come in the house...maybe through the window?

[miss_vegemite]

I just don't seem to think these parents had anything to do with this horrible tradegy. Their responses, although strange, and a quite odd, don't make them guilty of anything..I am of the belief that unless we have walked in their shoes, we shouldn't judge them..The facts just don't add up.. that's the problem with this case LOL...nothing ADDS UP!

Oh I wish these Police would hurry up and share some details with us..steer us all in the right direction;)

[Truthful Lies]

they were in another part of the house? what is wrong with these people?

Re: calling from the hospital w/updates - after the way the parents have reacted so unemotionally up to this point it actually doesn't shock me that they wouldnt have.

I'm sure they came home, threw the keys on the kitchen table, opened the fridge, grabbed the OJ and said "well james...she didn't make it" and then took a big gulp right out of the container.

I still cannot see how these people "spoiled" these girls.

:::laughing::: I know it's not funny..but the visual your comment produced was perfect.

[dancer_girl]

I may be wrong, but i am assuming from all I have read that we have no idea where "James" slept the night of Erins murder.. If her dad was so anti-james...its very possible he did sleep in the lounge etc...and woke up early am...thought he would sneek into Erins bed for a cuddle...but discovered her unconsious!!

actually he WAS in bed with her.

[richmond1998]

actually he WAS in bed with her.

I don't recall reading that anywhere.

[dancer_girl]

I don't recall reading that anywhere.

i know the family personally...

[Indiana at Heart]

I just don't know anymore. I don't even think the cops know.

[Shamrock]

I don't recall reading that anywhere.

I read it somewhere too but I can't remember where.

[dancer_girl]

i personally believe that the cops have A LOT of info they aren't sharing.

[miss_vegemite]

Geeez...i missed that bit LOL

[miss_vegemite]

do we know where baby Alexis was sleeping? If she wasn't in Kellys' room that night??

[Shamrock]

do we know where baby Alexis was sleeping? If she wasn't in Kellys' room that night??

I believe she was in the room. James said normally Erin got up with her but she didn't that morning, so James made his way to her crib in the dark.

[Indiana at Heart]

"It was strange because usually Erin got up with her," McFarland said. "But (Erin) was laying on her side and she never moved. It was pitch black, but I found my way to the crib.

[gooniequeen]

Greetings Dancer Girl. Thank you for joining us.

Were you one of Kelly's close friends? Can we assume that you got your details from Kelly after Erin had died in regards the where James was?

Is it possible for you to share your theory on what happened? I know when I was younger a good friend of mine (i use the term lightly) brutally murdered a husband and wife. It made national headlines (that is until OJ went and killed Nicole & Ron and bumped my friend out of the headlines) But my point is, is that we ALL knew what happened before the press reported it and before the police made comments. So I'm wondering if in Centerville it's also a very well known FACT (not assumption) what happened.

Also, please know that I dont believe any of us are judging or accussing Erin's parents - it's just with the information we have thus far their behavior seems so strange. Actually when I think of it, my very own mother might behave the same way...then again my very own mother is a mental case...but that's besides the point.

any insider light you can shine on this would be greatly appreciated.

[gooniequeen]

See I could almost buy James sleeping through a strangulation/smothering in the same bed, and I can somewhat buy that a 5 month old too could sleep through it undisturbed.....but you have to then think WHO would stangle someone with 2 others in the room? I mean you'd be taking a huge risk that the 6' 205lb man sleeping next to her wouldnt wake up and kick your ass. I just cant' see it happening that way, too risky.

So...the only other theory I see is that Erin went to bed w/o James anmd was killed while she was alone in the room and James was laying next to a dead/dying woman all night...

hmmm, this leads me back to James again.

Here's my next question. So let's say James did it. His DNA and fingerprints would be in the room obviously. So what the hell are they looking for? I guess his DNA/prints on the window if he came in to get Kelly.

Also keep in mind whomever came to get Kelly KNEW which window was hers....so I cant' see some random internet stalker.

[FormerRichmondRes]

See I could almost buy James sleeping through a strangulation/smothering in the same bed, and I can somewhat buy that a 5 month old too could sleep through it undisturbed.....but you have to then think WHO would stangle someone with 2 others in the room? I mean you'd be taking a huge risk that the 6' 205lb man sleeping next to her wouldnt wake up and kick your ass. I just cant' see it happening that way, too risky.

So...the only other theory I see is that Erin went to bed w/o James anmd was killed while she was alone in the room and James was laying next to a dead/dying woman all night...

hmmm, this leads me back to James again.

Here's my next question. So let's say James did it. His DNA and fingerprints would be in the room obviously. So what the hell are they looking for? I guess his DNA/prints on the window if he came in to get Kelly.

Also keep in mind whomever came to get Kelly KNEW which window was hers....so I cant' see some random internet stalker.

I keep thinking about the friend they interviewed on Greta that worked with Kelly at DQ. She said that Kelly had a new guy she had met online, but the girl seemed to go overboard in explaining that this guy was really broken up over the death because he hadn't gotten a chance to know Kelly yet. It sounded strange to me.

Also - if it WAS a stranger who had come in and gotten the wrong sister the first time, (because Kelly was not home that night) - he should have known enough about the house to know that the empty room was obviously Kelly's when he came back.

This is just me thinking out loud . . .

[notfaraway]

A dog was mentioned, I have heard that they had a boxer dog and it was very protective of the family. Yet we heard no dog barking on the 911 tape. And if the dog was in the house when Kelly died why did it not bark if some one was getting in and wake up anyone??

[gooniequeen]

A dog was mentioned, I have heard that they had a boxer dog and it was very protective of the family. Yet we heard no dog barking on the 911 tape. And if the dog was in the house when Kelly died why did it not bark if some one was getting in and wake up anyone??


well that would all go to my theroy that doggie knew the killer.

[Busylady]

But wouldnt the dog of also barked when the police or first responders showed up? I don't recall hearing a dog bark at all on the 911 call.

[Truthful Lies]

Maybe the dog was kept outside, chained in the backyard? Or, in a pen of some sort? Along the internet boyfriend theory, Kelly could have easily said "Oh, Buster shuts right up with a piece of bologna" in idle chat.

[gooniequeen]

where did the detail of the dog come from anyway?

[laura2007]

Also keep in mind whomever came to get Kelly KNEW which window was hers....so I cant' see some random internet stalker.
I'm certain that one of the locals said that window was in the hallway. It was in one of the earlier threads.

I was thinking that the LE was keeping everything quiet and then after the puzzle was solved they would maybe hold a press conference or something. But now I'm beginning to think quite the opposite. I'm thinking they have no idea and they are being quiet to avoid admitting that they botched the whole thing. Like maybe everyone will get bored of waiting for them and just forget it ever happened. I hope I'm wrong though.

I have no ideas to add to theory though. This whole thing is so confusing, there seems to be no apparent motive for anyone that was in the house those nights. But I will say that from what I've heard so far, the parents creep me out a bit.

I wonder if Erin could have been poisoned earlier that evening? That would explain how nobody seemed to have access to her during the night, except James. I don't know if certain poisons would be traceable or not. But I'm thinking it James killed her, he would of finished the job before alerting the parents. I mean, why take the chance that she survives and points the finger at him?

I hope this doesn't end up being an unsolved mystery. :banghead:

[notfaraway]

lonny didnt come home and find kelly. she woke up to the baby crying and needing to let the dog out...when she went to ask kelly for help with the baby ..thats when she found her.


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[aj1020]

I'm certain that one of the locals said that window was in the hallway. It was in one of the earlier threads.

A window in a hallway?? I've never seen a hallway with a window, I don't believe. I thought the previous poster said it was Kelly's bedroom window, but I will see if I can find that...

[FormerRichmondRes]

ipfreely (that name makes me laugh) posted this on the PI forums . . . I believe that this is the forum name for the person who claims Kelly was sleeping at her house when Erin was killed . . .

"I for one think his {james} story is bull ----! If he loved Erin so much why have I heard he already has a new girlfriend. I also have never heard that he was engaged to Erin, and I do know the family very well. So bull ----!"

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961

[FormerRichmondRes]

More stuff from P-I . . .

(ipfreely) "James told the parents after Erin was murdered to keep the baby because they could take care of her better than he could. As for Lonnie leaving the phone on the 911 call is an example of her being upset. She is not a person that goes crazy when things happen, everyone handles things differently."

(babygirljr77) "If James was capable of taking care of Alexis then a judge would not grant the grandparents custody...hmmmm. If James was in bed with Erin, which he was, then how did he sleep while someone strangled her. And just because James says he wasn't at the house the time of Kelly's death, that doesn't mean he didnt sneak in, if you drive by the house on Elm Drive you will see that the window to Kelly's room has been boarded up...that tells me it was taken for evidence. I have also been told that James already has another girlfriend, doesn't seem like hes mourning!!! He just sounds like a punk to me!!"

And something interesting from bballmom11, "Does anyone know how to get a hold of James McFarland or know what his relatives names are that he is staying with on Church Street? Some older man came up to me wanting a phone book to look for him because he said it was very important that he speak to him. He said he didn't do it and he needed to speak to him. He says he's not crazy, but.........."

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=ca13318ff116133b88f03fe5daa31cee

[FormerRichmondRes]

I was taken to task by Htownmom32 (on the P-I forums, which I do not post to, I only read) for not posting her whole comment in an earlier posting on WS. For some reason, she is unable to get on Websleuths to post herself. My reason for only posting part of it was that it was relevant to what we were talking about - and I copied the link so that others could read the rest of it. (our forums were getting so long, I was trying to only post relevant information.) I apologize to Htownmom32, I was not trying to take anything out of context . . .

As per her wishes, I will post her whole comment here . . .

"I have been following this story since the begining. Mostly on websleuths.com But for some reason i am not able to post there.
I spoke to someone a while ago, who knows james family. She said she was told by a family member, that theres enough evidence to prove James innocent. Thats all the family member would say, as its an on going investigation and could not say more.

This whole case is awful. As a parent myself I can not even imagine what the Standly family must be going through. I feel sorry for everyone involved, family and friends and anyone who knew these girls. I didnt know them, but I havent heard a bad thing said about them.

At first, you think you know who did it. You think that James has to be the one , he was in the room ( or so, i can only imagine he was ) so you feel it had to be him. And then you hear stories that there was a fight, ( first i heard it was Erin and James, then i heard it was James and Mr. Standly) either way there was an argument, and then It comes out that the father doesnt like James. So then speculation comes out about the father.

One minute, Im sure its one of the two ( james or Mr. Standly) and then Next neither makes sense. One thing that does is i'm sure theres nothing to fear, serial killer, myspace stalker ( as some of the rumors going around) Or the LE would have issued a Statement. I believe that they already KNOW who did it ( or they would have already came out and said otherwise) Its just a matter of getting ALL the evidence in order to make an arrest, so the person doesnt slip through the cracks or flee.

We all want to know what happened. and too quick to point the finger.
That poor baby. Thankfully shes too little to know or remember what happened, but too sad that she will never remember her mother, who seemed to have loved her so much.
Baby Alex , my prayers are with you."

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10532&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105&sid=ca13318ff116133b88f03fe5daa31cee

[laura2007]

A window in a hallway?? I've never seen a hallway with a window, I don't believe. I thought the previous poster said it was Kelly's bedroom window, but I will see if I can find that...

This is the post I was thinking about: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698380&postcount=229

I don't know if it's accurate or not. It does seem more likely to be a room window, especially if you look at the house layout (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698866&postcount=260), it looks like part of the livingroom/kitchen area?

[TGIRecovered]

In trying to figure out how James could have passed a polygraph even if he did kill someone, I have begun to wonder if it is possible that James experienced a total blackout the night Erin was killed. He could have strangled her as she slept while he was blacked out and have no immediate memory of it when he woke up.

Having recovered from alcoholism myself, I can tell you that waking up and not knowing what happened the night before can be a very panicky feeling, which could explain why James might rush to wake Erin's parents immediatly upon finding her dying. Having no memory of having attacked her, he might assume that she was having a medical emergency of some kind. He could come to remember some of what happened later, or even if he does not remember what happened he may start to realize that he must have done it even if he doesn't remember.

I do know that medical research has led to the conclusion that people who are not alcoholic pass out completely when they have too much to drink, but alcoholics can experience a blackout in which they function as if they are awake, sometimes doing complicated things such as driving home and have no memory of it at all. I don't believe that a blackout could cause him to attack Erin unless he already had some kind of violent intentions toward her. If he did have a desire to kill her, a blackout would simply remove his inhibitions about acting on possible murderous intent.

I don't know if James is an alcoholic, but I believe that it is highly unlikely that someone else snuck in ans strangled her with him in the room. Even if James slept on the couch, what intruder would take the chance that Erin would be in bed alone when her boyfriend and her baby were at the home?

Just another theory.

Susan

[aj1020]

This is the post I was thinking about: http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698380&postcount=229

I don't know if it's accurate or not. It does seem more likely to be a room window, especially if you look at the house layout (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698866&postcount=260), it looks like part of the living room/kitchen area?

That could be. I was just thinking of the quote posted above that the PI poster said it was Kelly's bedroom. Basically it's all hearsay, so we don't really know. :o Thanks for the info though!

It seems odd to me that LE would take a living room/kitchen/hallway window for evidence though. I mean if a perp was going to break in through a window, why would they choose such a conspicuous room to "land in"? (Unless they didn't know the house layout, which doesn't seem likely.) I would think a bedroom break in would be a bit quieter and unnoticeable to the rest of the occupants in the house. Such a strange, strange case.

[aj1020]

In trying to figure out how James could have passed a polygraph even if he did kill someone, I have begun to wonder if it is possible that James experienced a total blackout the night Erin was killed. He could have strangled her as she slept while he was blacked out and have no immediate memory of it when he woke up.

Having recovered from alcoholism myself, I can tell you that waking up and not knowing what happened the night before can be a very panicky feeling, which could explain why James might rush to wake Erin's parents immediatly upon finding her dying. Having no memory of having attacked her, he might assume that she was having a medical emergency of some kind. He could come to remember some of what happened later, or even if he does not remember what happened he may start to realize that he must have done it even if he doesn't remember.

I do know that medical research has led to the conclusion that people who are not alcoholic pass out completely when they have too much to drink, but alcoholics can experience a blackout in which they function as if they are awake, sometimes doing complicated things such as driving home and have no memory of it at all. I don't believe that a blackout could cause him to attack Erin unless he already had some kind of violent intentions toward her. If he did have a desire to kill her, a blackout would simply remove his inhibitions about acting on possible murderous intent.

I don't know if James is an alcoholic, but I believe that it is highly unlikely that someone else snuck in ans strangled her with him in the room. Even if James slept on the couch, what intruder would take the chance that Erin would be in bed alone when her boyfriend and her baby were at the home?

Just another theory.

Susan

I agree with you, and the alcoholism theory is interesting. Either way it's hard for me to imagine that she was strangled by someone -anyone- else while James slept soundly in the bed next to her. I don't think strangulation is exactly a quiet event, and unless she was already "out of it" I would think and hope that she would put up some kind of fight, enough to shake the bed and wake up anyone else in that room.

I also find it hard to believe that Erin's death was supposed to be a "hit" on Kelly, and the killer got them mixed up. The girls really look NOTHING alike, at least in the pictures from the P-I. I think the killer knew exactly who they were when they were killing them. But I really have no clue or guess who it was that took these girls' lives.

[gooniequeen]

well we are all assumming it was a "break in" as in it made a lot of commotion. This is a one story home. It was early September, could have been hot and windows were most likely open.

Also small towns like Centerville - people most likely dont lock their doors (at least until this happened)

so someone could have quietly rasied the screen and in they went.

ETA: Ohhh it just occurred to me after reading what I wrote. "people most likely don't lock their doors"

Is it possible the perp came in the front door and then out through the window? Not that it matters, but just a thought. Like they came in the front door and heard something got spooked and (heard someone in the LR) and left via the window since they couldn't get back to the front door.

[aj1020]

well we are all assumming it was a "break in" as in it made a lot of commotion. This is a one story home. It was early September, could have been hot and windows were most likely open.

Also small towns like Centerville - people most likely dont lock their doors (at least until this happened)

so someone could have quietly rasied the screen and in they went.

I completely agree with you. I'm not saying that it was a loud event. I do think that if someone was going to enter a home through a window, picking a less obvious window (such as a bedroom window) would be slightly more inconspicuous (and less likely to alert the other occupants of the home) than going in through the kitchen or living room window.

[ucka]

James updated his myspace today, check out his "ABOUT ME" section...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/james.jpg

I highlighted it because the text was hard to read with the background.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=170796798

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't buy the break-in theory. 4 adults (should have been 5 had Kelly been home and how would a stranger know she was gone?) and a baby in a small home...so a stranger only breaks in to strangle one without taking anything or disturbing anyone? Makes no logical sense.

Nor do I buy the alcoholic blackout theory. No one has said a word about James being drunk the night before and I believe it would have come out. Besides, that makes no logical sense either. I don't think James wanted Erin dead. He wouldn't have subjected himself to Erin's father to come stay with Erin and the baby if he didn't care strongly for both. He would have gone to stay with relatives or friends instead. No one wants to be where they are not wanted unless there is a good reason. Erin and the baby were his reason.

[Shamrock]

In trying to figure out how James could have passed a polygraph even if he did kill someone, I have begun to wonder if it is possible that James experienced a total blackout the night Erin was killed. He could have strangled her as she slept while he was blacked out and have no immediate memory of it when he woke up.



I snipped your quote so it wouldn't take up too much space but I wanted to applaud your theory. Very interesting. It makes sense and sounds very plausible.

P.S. Congratulations on the recovery. I've been through this with a family member and it's no easy feat. One day at a time.

[greeneyz]

Been thinking here (scary thought I know) and the ONLY way I could see this happening and it not being someone who was in the house both times would be by means of some kind of poisoning that maybe can't be detected in a regular toxicalogy screening? Maybe someone Erin was with earlier in the evening slipped her something and then did the same to Kelly? I don't know if there is such as a thing that wouldn't show up in the toxicology report? I wonder if either or both of the girls were allergic to anything that could have been fatal to them if consumed or if they came into contact with it? This whole case has me just baffled! :confused:

[Indiana at Heart]

I give up! I have thought of everything. The newspaper did not say he took a poly but someone said he did I don't think he did cause if he had he would of said that in his interveiw

[dancer_girl]

Greetings Dancer Girl. Thank you for joining us.

Were you one of Kelly's close friends? Can we assume that you got your details from Kelly after Erin had died in regards the where James was?

Is it possible for you to share your theory on what happened? I know when I was younger a good friend of mine (i use the term lightly) brutally murdered a husband and wife. It made national headlines (that is until OJ went and killed Nicole & Ron and bumped my friend out of the headlines) But my point is, is that we ALL knew what happened before the press reported it and before the police made comments. So I'm wondering if in Centerville it's also a very well known FACT (not assumption) what happened.

Also, please know that I dont believe any of us are judging or accussing Erin's parents - it's just with the information we have thus far their behavior seems so strange. Actually when I think of it, my very own mother might behave the same way...then again my very own mother is a mental case...but that's besides the point.

any insider light you can shine on this would be greatly appreciated.

GreetingS!! :crazy: Yes i was a close friend of Kelly's. yes my facts comefrom kelly and her family after erin's death. Everyone has suspicions but no one has facts. I have my own personally STRONG opinion but i dont want to share it right now. Trust me the truth will come out im sure.

[dancer_girl]

A dog was mentioned, I have heard that they had a boxer dog and it was very protective of the family. Yet we heard no dog barking on the 911 tape. And if the dog was in the house when Kelly died why did it not bark if some one was getting in and wake up anyone??

they do have a dog...it is not a boxer. it did bark a lot at a lot of stuff.
if he went in through kelly's room...maybe the dog didnt know..or maybe since james lived there if it was him the dog recognized him and did not bark.

[dancer_girl]

I'm certain that one of the locals said that window was in the hallway. It was in one of the earlier threads.

I was thinking that the LE was keeping everything quiet and then after the puzzle was solved they would maybe hold a press conference or something. But now I'm beginning to think quite the opposite. I'm thinking they have no idea and they are being quiet to avoid admitting that they botched the whole thing. Like maybe everyone will get bored of waiting for them and just forget it ever happened. I hope I'm wrong though.

I have no ideas to add to theory though. This whole thing is so confusing, there seems to be no apparent motive for anyone that was in the house those nights. But I will say that from what I've heard so far, the parents creep me out a bit.

I wonder if Erin could have been poisoned earlier that evening? That would explain how nobody seemed to have access to her during the night, except James. I don't know if certain poisons would be traceable or not. But I'm thinking it James killed her, he would of finished the job before alerting the parents. I mean, why take the chance that she survives and points the finger at him?

I hope this doesn't end up being an unsolved mystery. :banghead:

that window was kelly's bedroom window.

[Mygirlsadie]

I can NOT believe that we don't know more about this case yet.. Are the parents off the hook completely? I am so sorry if it offends anyone that I ask that question but I just can't shake the comment the mother made on the 911 call about her daughter ''p*ssed herself''..that comment threw me for a loop. People react differently to situations so I am not trying to pass judgement here...

[FormerRichmondRes]

Since everyone has been commenting on the update to the boyfriend's myspace page . . . check out the lyrics to the song on his page . . .

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Forever-lyrics-Papa-Roach/53FF3F0A08AEC2E4482571EB00138A40

I just found it interesting.

[SuziQ]

Here is a link showing the boarded up window in case there is still any confusion about it.

http://tinyurl.com/2qm5vb

http://i21.tinypic.com/j08juc

[Indy Gal]

An extremely reliable source has told me that one of the responders to the house, the morning that Erin was found, has stated that the Stanley's were both in another part of the house when they arrived but that James was in the bedroom with Erin. This is not surprising considering the way that the mom sounded on the 911 call. I just do not think that Mr. Stanley was doing CPR.
HUmmmm. I found this sorry if it has already been posted( HAHA TAXI your day of skimming queen is done) And welcome honey!!:blowkiss: So nice to have so many people living and breathing this case.

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7157249&Call=Email&Format=HTML

"It was strange because usually Erin got up with her," McFarland said. "But (Erin) was laying on her side and she never moved. It was pitch black, but I found my way to the crib. When I turned the light on I could tell right away that there was something wrong. Erin was just laying there and she wasn't breathing."
McFarland said he screamed for Stanley's parents to help. They called 911 and performed CPR, he said, but Stanley later died.
McFarland, whose father died in a 1999 car accident and whose mother died of an aneurysm in 2003, said his daughter was living with Stanley's parents.

I think I may have to eat some crow on this one....LOL I thought for sure he killed at least erin, not so much now!

[gooniequeen]

HUmmmm. I found this sorry if it has already been posted( HAHA TAXI your day of skimming queen is done) And welcome honey!!:blowkiss: So nice to have so many people living and breathing this case.

http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7157249&Call=Email&Format=HTML

"It was strange because usually Erin got up with her," McFarland said. "But (Erin) was laying on her side and she never moved. It was pitch black, but I found my way to the crib. When I turned the light on I could tell right away that there was something wrong. Erin was just laying there and she wasn't breathing."
McFarland said he screamed for Stanley's parents to help. They called 911 and performed CPR, he said, but Stanley later died.
McFarland, whose father died in a 1999 car accident and whose mother died of an aneurysm in 2003, said his daughter was living with Stanley's parents.

I think I may have to eat some crow on this one....LOL I thought for sure he killed at least erin, not so much now!

What did he say that changed your mind?

[gooniequeen]

Since everyone has been commenting on the update to the boyfriend's myspace page . . . check out the lyrics to the song on his page . . .

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Forever-lyrics-Papa-Roach/53FF3F0A08AEC2E4482571EB00138A40

I just found it interesting.

Yes that's the song he's had on there for a while. Haunting, isn't it? :eek:

[SeriouslySearching]

Since everyone has been commenting on the update to the boyfriend's myspace page . . . check out the lyrics to the song on his page . . .

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Forever-lyrics-Papa-Roach/53FF3F0A08AEC2E4482571EB00138A40

I just found it interesting.I agree it is interesting...but if you sat and read lyrics to half the songs written today...you would swear they were written by serial killers and terrorists.

[dancer_girl]

What did he say that changed your mind?

yeah, what exactly did change your mind, indygal? i dont understand. Also, we have to be sure we aren't too quick to believe everything that people say..especially him.

[FormerRichmondRes]

I agree it is interesting...but if you sat and read lyrics to half the songs written today...you would swear they were written by serial killers and terrorists.

ROTFL:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Indy Gal]

Something to ponder why I catch up...LOL

Do these parents have life insurance on the girls??

[Indy Gal]

Shamrock, it may be because he and Erin were not married.
His name is listed on BC. In Indiana he has more rights to the baby then the GP's do.

[dancer_girl]

His name is listed on BC. In Indiana he has more rights to the baby then the GP's do.

After Erin died he told them they should keep the baby because she would be SAFER with them..hmm..

[SeriouslySearching]

After Erin died he told them they should keep the baby because she would be SAFER with them..hmm..Where did you see or hear this? Links please!

[dancer_girl]

kelly told me.

[SeriouslySearching]

Oh, sorry. Then Kelly must have also told you why he would think she would be "safer" at that time with them, too.

[dancer_girl]

Oh, sorry. Then Kelly must have also told you why he would think she would be "safer" at that time with them, too.

she said that he just said that he knew he wouldnt be able to get custody of alexis or be able to take care of her. I think she also said something about him being sued by an insurance company...but i dont know what was going on with that. I never heard anything else about it.

[SeriouslySearching]

In other words, he was looking out for his daughter and putting her best interests ahead of his own. I think this speaks well for James, IMO.

[Indy Gal]

Since everyone has been commenting on the update to the boyfriend's myspace page . . . check out the lyrics to the song on his page . . .

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Forever-lyrics-Papa-Roach/53FF3F0A08AEC2E4482571EB00138A40

I just found it interesting.
This is #2 on my myspace!! I love thaqt song, as for the meaning i think he really misses her. I think of my ex when I hear that song. Kinda like a goth lovesong? Best I can descibe it. Also on my myspace you will fin Pantara, Marilyn Manson, AFI, Sex pistols, and kayne West. Does this make me a killer as well? I know many of cases on WS I have been in and some have talked of the songs. To me they mean nothing as I listen to most that is posted...LOL

I know my wording is good, no offense:blowkiss:

[dancer_girl]

In other words, he was looking out for his daughter and putting her best interests ahead of his own. I think this speaks well for James, IMO.

possibly..but it could also be a line of crap....i feel like a lot of what hes is saying is so that he will look good in the public eye. I also feel like that is why he agreed to do an interview with the pal-item

[Indy Gal]

After Erin died he told them they should keep the baby because she would be SAFER with them..hmm..
To me this tells me he cares very much for his daughter. Seein how he puts them into the hands of people he knows will take good care of him, and probably someone he trusted as well. After all he is 19 years old. I do believe we were too quick to jump to the most looked at person. LE has said nothing, but saying nothing could mean they have nothing?

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe he wants to clear his name since people are pointing the finger at him...if he wasn't involved.

[dancer_girl]

To me this tells me he cares very much for his daughter. Seein how he puts them into the hands of people he knows will take good care of him, and probably someone he trusted as well. After all he is 19 years old. I do believe we were too quick to jump to the most looked at person. LE has said nothing, but saying nothing could mean they have nothing?

well if he thought the parents could have been involved in the deaths i dont think he would say they should take the baby.

[Indy Gal]

well if he thought the parents could have been involved in the deaths i dont think he would say they should take the baby.
I dont think Parents are involed either, would anyone?? Would you be able to think your GF/BF parents killed them if you were in his shows? That would be the last person I would think. Just my thoughts though

[gooniequeen]

This is #2 on my myspace!! I love thaqt song, as for the meaning i think he really misses her. I think of my ex when I hear that song. Kinda like a goth lovesong? Best I can descibe it. Also on my myspace you will fin Pantara, Marilyn Manson, AFI, Sex pistols, and kayne West. Does this make me a killer as well? I know many of cases on WS I have been in and some have talked of the songs. To me they mean nothing as I listen to most that is posted...LOL

I know my wording is good, no offense:blowkiss:

The song has been on there before Erin was killed.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know he thought that initially...and neither did anyone else including LE. If he had been trying to lay blame somewhere else other than himself...he would have said something to LE which would indicate her death was suspicious.

[gooniequeen]

Dancer Girl - do you know anything about James having a 4 y.o. daughter with another woman?

[Smugshots]

I wonder if James has any thoughts on who is responsible for these two deaths.

[gooniequeen]

Does anyone have confirmation on these polygraph tests? Did they happen for sure or is that still heresay?

[SeriouslySearching]

I wonder if James has any thoughts on who is responsible for these two deaths.Good question!

[Indy Gal]

Also dancer....Thinking outside the box for a moment, Can you think of anyone ever that knows both girls and would have a reason for this. I know it sounds weird but really think of anything, no matter how small.

[dancer_girl]

Dancer Girl - do you know anything about James having a 4 y.o. daughter with another woman?

yeah i knew about that..i dont really know anything about who the mother is or anything but i do know erin and james have bought a few things to give to her. i also heard a rumor that she said james choked her once, but i do not know how true that is.

[dancer_girl]

Also dancer....Thinking outside the box for a moment, Can you think of anyone ever that knows both girls and would have a reason for this. I know it sounds weird but really think of anything, no matter how small.

i really cannot think of anyone at all..trust me i have went over all the possibilities i can think of at all sooo many times.

[Indy Gal]

Can someone make a list of fact from rumor. This is getting confusing. If not I will do it tomorrow, but it aint going to be pretty....LOL

[dancer_girl]

Can someone make a list of fact from rumor. This is getting confusing. If not I will do it tomorrow, but it aint going to be pretty....LOL

i would love to get one too...i have a good list but im too tired and honestly,lazy to make one right now...maybe tomorrow. :)

[FormerRichmondRes]

Can someone make a list of fact from rumor. This is getting confusing. If not I will do it tomorrow, but it aint going to be pretty....LOL

The facts are very few . . .

[SuziQ]

Ever since the DA flipped flopped on the cases being "homicide", I can't get past that this may just be a medical related event. The two deaths are certainly suspicious and warrants a death investigation. But after the DA backtracked on the homicide statement, no one has officially restated it's a homicide have they?

[SeriouslySearching]

There really are no facts to speak of, Indy. There hasn't even been an official COD released on the girls. Your list will be mighty small on that side!

[Indy Gal]

There really are no facts to speak of, Indy. There hasn't even been an official COD released on the girls. Your list will be mighty small on that side!
Then maybe, just maybe, It WILL be pretty....LOL:D

ETA WHO wants to be our go to person to stay in contact with LE? We need someone to get a fire under their asses!!!!

[gooniequeen]

Dancer - Are you aware of James dating again already? Was there rumor of another girl? Also there was an "Amba" as his #2 friend on James MySpace - she has recently deleted her account. We believe James has a sister named Amber. Can you she any light on any of this?

sorry for so many questions, but you seem to be able to clear up these pesky little details.

[dancer_girl]

Dancer - Are you aware of James dating again already? Was there rumor of another girl? Also there was an "Amba" as his #2 friend on James MySpace - she has recently deleted her account. We believe James has a sister named Amber. Can you she any light on any of this?

sorry for so many questions, but you seem to be able to clear up these pesky little details.

i have HEARD that he has a new girlfriend. im not sure how long they have supposedly been together. I also heard that his sister had been posting on the PI forums, but honestly know nothing about her. Although, i do TRULY believe that bumblebug on PI is someone who must know james well.

[gooniequeen]

well according to James Dad/Mom and Stepmom's obits he had a gaggle of biological brother/sisters and step brother/sisters. JPoker is one of Jame's friends and apparently that is his stepbrother.

[Indy Gal]

Being close to the family can you tell us how e1 feels about all this? If not I understand!! This is such a confusing one...

[CaliKid]

I have to say, James getting a new girlfriend (if true) only a month after Kelly's death raises a lot of questions for me.

[Shamrock]

I'd like to say a (late) welcome to dancer girl and say that your insight is very much appreciated here!!

[gooniequeen]

I have to say, James getting a new girlfriend (if true) only a month after Kelly's death raises a lot of questions for me.

not to mention, who'd be the girl who'd want to date him? :doh:

[dancer_girl]

I'd like to say a (late) welcome to dancer girl and say that your insight is very much appreciated here!!

Thank you! :D

[laura2007]

I was just thinking about food allergies. For example some people who are allergic to peanuts have to take a special medication right away if they accidentally eat something made with peanuts or peanut oil. The reason they have to take the medicine is because if they don't, their throat swells and breathing becomes difficult. I'm thinking the outcome would be bleak if they didn't take the medicine after ingesting the offensive food item. So if, for example, Erin was allergic to peanuts and someone put one (or a bit of peanut oil) in her mouth while she was sleeping, that person might not want to tell the paramedics about such an allergy (or might not think to mention that at all). And maybe the swelling might look like she could of been strangled because what else could it be?

Just trying to think of possibilities. I have no idea if Erin had any allergies.

As for Kelly, my thought is that maybe she was smothered. I'm not sure why I feel this way, maybe I read something about that possibility earlier in this case.

I wish we knew more about the lie detector tests. I can't imagine why this information hasn't been released. I have never read about a case so tight lipped before. Usually, there's a lot of update news stories that follow after something like this.

[Indy Gal]

OMG Thanks Sham, where are my manners! Wecome to WS Dancer! And I think there was another one I missed, so I will just say welcome to all new members, your input is very much needed!!

[Shamrock]

OMG Thanks Sham, where are my manners! Wecome to WS! And I think there was another one I missed, so I will just say welcome to all new members, your input is very much needed!!

Where ARE your manners?? I'm SO disappointed!!! :p

[Busylady]

The obitituary for James mother list the following survivors, so yes he has a sister named Amber
She is survived by her husband, Ron Moles four children, Jennifer McFarland and James McFarland Jr., both of Goshen, Amber McFarland of Pershing and Chelsea Moles of Pershing two stepchildren, Shammra Eales of Hagerstown, Pauline Moles of New Castle her father, James Arnold (companion Linda Melton) of Richmond her mother, Margie Garrett of Winona, Miss. three brothers, James Arnold and John Hedges, both of Mississippi, Jamie Arnold of Milton her maternal grandmother, Lillie Chasteen of Richmond, Ky. a special friend, Becky Sharp of Cambridge City

[dancer_girl]

The obitituary for James mother list the following survivors, so yes he has a sister named Amber
She is survived by her husband, Ron Moles four children, Jennifer McFarland and James McFarland Jr., both of Goshen, Amber McFarland of Pershing and Chelsea Moles of Pershing two stepchildren, Shammra Eales of Hagerstown, Pauline Moles of New Castle her father, James Arnold (companion Linda Melton) of Richmond her mother, Margie Garrett of Winona, Miss. three brothers, James Arnold and John Hedges, both of Mississippi, Jamie Arnold of Milton her maternal grandmother, Lillie Chasteen of Richmond, Ky. a special friend, Becky Sharp of Cambridge City

Thanks for clearing that one up. :):clap:

[Shamrock]

Being close to the family can you tell us how e1 feels about all this? If not I understand!! This is such a confusing one...

Who is e1?? :confused:

[dancer_girl]

Who is e1?? :confused:
I think they meant the family..but i was also confused.

[Indy Gal]

I will take charge in contacting police, if no one objects...LOL All I need is the name of the person handling this case. Does anyone know?? I ask you all I will be sending a email/making first phone call Tomorrow so if you have anything you want me to ask or add please pm the info.

[Indy Gal]

Who is e1?? :confused:

I think they meant the family..but i was also confused.
Yes i was meaning the family.

[gooniequeen]

I think they meant the family..but i was also confused.

e1 = everyone ( i think)

[gooniequeen]

wow! so what does one say when contacting LE? Hi I'm a websleuther and I want DETAILS!!! :p

Sorry I'm new to this stuff and find it facinating. I'm actually a pen-pal with good ole' Bill Engle of the P-I and have been since the get go. I have never shared details of his emails to me since I felt they were somewhat private.

[Indy Gal]

Goonie, many have worked close with LE in other cases and it is worth a shot here. Of course they wont tell us anything big, but they may clear up some of the trival things. I also plan on asking who we should be focasing on. And Yes Chris you WILL be getting an email sometime tonight on guidence on how to word my letter...LOL

[gooniequeen]

Goonie, many have worked close with LE in other cases and it is worth a shot here. Of course they wont tell us anything big, bu