Wanted-Chester Stiles-Video Taped rape of 3 yr old child! NV Thread 4

[Jeana (DP)]

Please continue here

[Al_B]

Todd said this a few minutes ago on the today show about his name and admitting he dated the mom of m

[Indiana at Heart]

Lot of different things going on in this case! I'm having a hard time keeping up!

[Reannan]

San Diego area, huh? Maybe Dog can get a two for one special and let him share a pair of cuffs with Dennis Potts. :rolleyes:

[Beffie]

Trying to catch up this morning.

The things I noticed about the LKL interview.

The only times she showed any emotion of fear was when she talked about how she feared for her life. Why didn't she get all teared up when the thought of what Chet did to M, and other little girls.

She was trying to give them a description of what Chet looks like and they acted like they really didn't care. Just kept saying they will find him, doesn't matter what his hair looks like, he has certain characteristics that they are looking for hair is not one of them. Almost like they didn't care what she had to say.

Her reaction when they made the comment that he has several girlfriends. She made sure she got her...he always comes back to me. Is she proud of that.

She said that he worked for Sigfred and Roy first when asked what he did for a living. According to them he worked for a few weeks and was nothing to remember. Did he not hold a job for longer. Or was she bragging that he worked for them.

She asked her daughter if he ever touched her and she said Heavens no. She just couldn't believe it. I do not think that was her daughters reaction. Especially when she witnessed Chet throw her brother into the fireplace for goofing around. She knew he was violent.

She really need to get her story straight about when she last seen him. Was it a month ago, two weeks ago or one week ago.

She seemed like she does still think he is a catch, from her bragging about how wonderful he was.

Said she was not dating Chet when he was molesting M. Her father was diagnosed with cancer and she had a back problem. In Todds journal he never mentions his moms bad back. He does mention that his mom fiancee was accused of molesting a little girl...mom ran away again, when her father was dying, and Todd made the comment he is over it.

I was watching towards the end and I think the guy from AMW knew she is guilty as sin. He made the comment that they are still investigating child neglect. He made the comment how did the mom not know, did she not bath her baby. It seems like he is giving Tina the chance to explain why Ms mom didn't notice (A way to hang herself, because she was in charge of watching that baby when the abuse happened).

Well that is all I remember for now.

[angela]

I watched Todd's interview on the Today show this morning. It seemed obvious to me that, although he loves his mom, there is some deep seeded resentment towards her about the past 10 years that she spent with Stiles. We have Tina on LKL talking about how Stiles deserved an academy award, then we have Todd saying that there was alot of things that this man did to this family in the past 10 years, not including the assault. It seems that Tina put this monster before her children. I dont think we have even touched on what Tina's children went through when Stiles was in thier life. Todd may resent her forever for that.

[blaize]

Trying to catch up this morning.

[Respectfully snipped]

I was watching towards the end and I think the guy from AMW knew she is guilty as sin. He made the comment that they are still investigating child neglect. He made the comment how did the mom not know, did she not bath her baby. It seems like he is giving Tina the chance to explain why Ms mom didn't notice (A way to hang herself, because she was in charge of watching that baby when the abuse happened).

Well that is all I remember for now.

Thanks Beffie. Sounds like the interviewers know exactly how much rope to give Tina.

[Jaded]

I watched the LKL interview last night, too and honestly wanted to reach through the television and b*slap this woman. LE does not seem amused by her at all and I think they know that she is not telling all. IMO, she probably knows where he is and more than likely assisted him to get out of dodge.

I was peeved when she turned the interview around to be the Talking Tina show and it was all about her. :furious:

[dottierainbow]

Is there a video link to LK Live with Tina?
Thanks Beffie. Sounds like the interviewers know exactly how much rope to give Tina.

[blaize]

Todd said this a few minutes ago on the today show about his name and admitting he dated the mom of m

Wait, what? My goodness this gets more involved as more information comes out.

Stiles can't be too bright if he thought LE wouldn't check the names of his past associates to come up with aliases he might use.

[Al_B]

yeah but Todd seemed pretty certain he knew that Stiles would be using his name

[mjak]

I am so disgusted by these people. I can not believe that I actually posted that we should not discuss this family and protect their privacy. How could I have been so stupid and nieve. I thought they were innocent victims in this. The more I hear the more revolted I get. How can people be like this.

mjak

[Jaded]

yeah but Todd seemed pretty certain he knew that Stiles would be using his name

Maybe he has been using it while he was on the run from the previous charge. I'm sure they are going to be telling a lot more about this man as the days go on. This is going to end up being a convoluted mess by the time all is said and done, imo. We haven't even seen the tip of the iceberg yet. :(

[Jaded]

I am so disgusted by these people. I can not believe that I actually posted that we should not discuss this family and protect their privacy. How could I have been so stupid and nieve. I thought they were innocent victims in this. The more I hear the more revolted I get. How can people be like this.

mjak

It's because you have a heart. I think all of us wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt because you just don't want to think about someone letting something so rancid as child molestation occur on their watch. But, I'm seeing more and more of these women who will toss everything to the wind, their kids, their lives, EVERYTHING just to be with some puke that no one else wants for the sake of having a man in their lives. It really grosses me out that there are women out there who have so little self-respect.

[christine2448]

Reannan..check your PM please.

[Al_B]

well maybe that's what was discussed when Stiles went to see Tina and she gave up all todds info(and the dog) who knows I wouldn't put it past her though

[Beffie]

Another thought. I wonder if they are purposely not releasing his vehicle information because they know what it is and as long as they do not release it he might feel safe in it. He might ditch it and steal another car if he feels that info is out there.

I tried to find a transcript to Larry King from last night and I couldn't. I also looked for some videos, but couldn't find that either. Sorry. :(

[SewingDeb]

LKL pinned her down to last seeing Stiles on September 4th. I'm glad he pushed it since her story keeps changing.

He does not have the latest transcript up but when it is up it will be found at this page:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/lkl.html

[angela]

Another thought. I wonder if they are purposely not releasing his vehicle information because they know what it is and as long as they do not release it he might feel safe in it. He might ditch it and steal another car if he feels that info is out there.

I tried to find a transcript to Larry King from last night and I couldn't. I also looked for some videos, but couldn't find that either. Sorry. :(
I think that LE suspects Tina guilty of something but are letting it go for now thinking she will lead them straight to Stiles. She is very evasive when asked questions that should get a specific answer. She looked like an idiot on LKL. LE on the show didnt seem to care a whole lot for her or be too concerned for her safety.

[Beffie]

I think that LE suspects Tina guilty of something but are letting it go for now thinking she will lead them straight to Stiles. She is very evasive when asked questions that should get a specific answer. She looked like an idiot on LKL. LE on the show didnt seem to care a whole lot for her or be too concerned for her safety.

That was priceless when she showed so much emotion that he is "right hear, waiting to get me" and the sheriff was not at all concerned. She really needs to realize that playing the victim is not working for her. No one cares (well except her, seems she is very concerned for herself and not the real victims).

[blaize]

Is there a video link to LK Live with Tina?

Hello dottierainbow, hopefully a link to the interview or a transcript can be supplied later when CNN update their site.

[Jeana (DP)]

You know, kids just know when someone is evil. They can somehow sense it. I wish parents of these predators who invite them into their childrens' lives paid more attention to this.

[Mygirlsadie]

Did she actually say ''he always comes back to me?''.. as if that is something to brag about? Oh I will go be sick now... How many of you think she is somehow involved in this in more ways then she is letting on?

[blaize]

Screengrab from the infamous CAS/Tina picnic interview. Her face has been blurred to focus attention on his ugly mug.

[Jaded]

Did she actually say ''he always comes back to me?''.. as if that is something to brag about? Oh I will go be sick now... How many of you think she is somehow involved in this in more ways then she is letting on?

*raises hand*:twocents:

[MsRusty]

After seeing last nights LKL interview, any sympathy I had for this woman went out the window. I only saw like 75% of it because I was flipping between it and DWTS, but am I mistaken or did she turn this whole thing into HER?? While she may be a victim of sorts, there is really only one victim in this whole thing and that would be "M". I thought I heard her say that she hadn't been in contact with M's family since this came out. I would think if M was so close that she would have been in contact by now instead of out giving interviews.......She's in fear of this guy??? Somebody in real fear would be staying away from media and laying low. Why would she even be in fear? And to say how he always returns to her??? Wow....I'm going to agree with the other poster who said she is unstable. She is a loser, and you know what, I'll bet if Stiles called her up today and ask her to join him, she would. That's why he keeps going back to her---because she allows it. There were just too many WTH moments during that interview.

I thought I saw a commercial that said NG would be covering this story tonight (7pm central). Not sure if Tina's appearing on that. Also Glen Beck said they're covering it on Friday, his might just be a compilation of all this weeks coverage though, not sure.

[ceeaura]

You know, kids just know when someone is evil. They can somehow sense it. I wish parents of these predators who invite them into their childrens' lives paid more attention to this.


That is so true.Children and pets just seem to sense evil before adults and if as adults we would pay attention maybe then some of this evil could be stopped.

[blaize]

yeah but Todd seemed pretty certain he knew that Stiles would be using his name
Maybe a few unusual credit card charges showed up on Todd's bank account?

[Mygirlsadie]

What a load of crap this Tina seems to be turning out to be! Poor Todd he does seem normal to me.. ( I hope I am not wrong about that ) This Tina really does think she is the 'cats meow' doesnt she? YUCK! She sure is talking an awful lot..people who have diarea of the mouth usually are trying to cover something else up.

[SuziQ]

Do we know if Dee forwarded all of the info she gathered to LE? LE is definitely on to Tina. But it would be nice to make sure they had as much documentation of her lies as possible.

In reflecting on yesterdays flurry of press junkets, I can honestly say that I have never seen anything as crazy as that. Lie after lie after lie. I wonder if Tina even knew that LE was going to be on LKL. How that must have rattled her!

Van Zandt on MSNBC says that when people are talking about survival skills that could mean that they went camping once in their lives or they can get water out of a cactus. I kinda think camping a few times is the case here. Why do I get the feeling that Tina, for a reason, is trying to lead LE away from looking for CAS in Vegas?

Link to MSNBC article and video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21081572/

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Jeana!!

[Indy Gal]

You know, kids just know when someone is evil. They can somehow sense it. I wish parents of these predators who invite them into their childrens' lives paid more attention to this.
I just read something that says the same thing. It says as children that we know bad from good people, as we grow older we learn not to listen to that voice. So my mission of the next couple of weeks is to see if I can find that voice again.

[tnajk@cox.net]

I will not post the link, but I found that both "M" and her mom had myspace pages that have been taken down.

[MsRusty]

I am also curious why everybody is saying Stiles could survive in the wilderness. Is this something he's told people or what? I mean we know he's a liar, it could be he's bragged about doing so when in reality he hasn't. Frankly I think he'll be found hiding out with a friend or relative...and I wouldn't doubt if it all end in suicide by cop.

[Indy Gal]

OFF TOPIC~~~~

Thanks to our system we know have ways to tell us if these people move close to us. For instance last night in my email I got an alert that a child molester moved right down the street from me. My plan today is to take his flyer to work, make a million copies, and come home and put them in every single mailbox. Hopefully I WONT have a CM living so close for too long


ETA OFF to work see yall later!!

[Al_B]

I doubt Stiles is anything like Les Stroud (surviorman) it probably is the just went camping thing hell I can pitch a tent and bait a hook but to actually survive I think not I'd end up eating poisin berries or starve.

[MsRusty]

OFF TOPIC~~~~

Thanks to our system we know have ways to tell us if these people move close to us. For instance last night in my email I got an alert that a child molester moved right down the street from me. My plan today is to take his flyer to work, make a million copies, and come home and put them in every single mailbox. Hopefully I WONT have a CM living so close for too long


ETA OFF to work see yall later!!

I'm not sure, but I think it's illegal to place flyers in mailboxes unless they have postage on them. It is a good idea though, just be careful, it may not be illegal where you live, but I'd double check just to be sure.

[Al_B]

you can put them in doors or on the curved things that hang on mail boxes for newspaper

[Beffie]

I think Chet likes to toot his own horn and Tina believes all of his crap. I still say they need to check under her bed. His survival skills are kicking in having to live with dust bunnies. He is a liar and Tina is his biggest fan, and I wouldn't doubt he used all these woman to threaten Tina that if she didn't do what he wanted her to do he would go to one of them, her being the desperate woman did what she needed to keep him. It is all about Tina. She doesn't care about her kids or grandkids and about her being a Nana to M. she sucks!!!

[Beffie]

I'm not sure, but I think it's illegal to place flyers in mailboxes unless they have postage on them. It is a good idea though, just be careful, it may not be illegal where you live, but I'd double check just to be sure.

I know here it is illegal, but you can just put them in the doors or in a crease and that is legal...just not IN the mailbox.

[SuziQ]

Intersting story about a survivalist. My BIL's Aunt and cousin was murdered by the cousins husband in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, a couple of decades ago. This man was an ex vietnam vet and really was a survivalist. He fled to the mountains and even he couldn't make it for long. He was so cold and hungry that he surrendered and confessed to two horrified hunters that happened upon him. They held him at gunpoint until LE arrived.

[dee10134]

I am so disgusted by these people. I can not believe that I actually posted that we should not discuss this family and protect their privacy. How could I have been so stupid and nieve. I thought they were innocent victims in this. The more I hear the more revolted I get. How can people be like this.

mjak

I honestly believe that Todd is not in on this. Todd moved to the Toledo, Ohio area for a reason. One of his journal entries says something about how his life in Vegas was so bad that he NEVER wanted to go back there; that he was starting a NEW life for himself.

I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. I know he knew what happened with the 6 year old because his mother told him, but he respected her wishes about that situation, seems like he accepted a lot of crap from her throughout his life in an effort to "respect her wishes" when it came to Stiles.

As far as Todd knowing about Stiles possibly using his name as an alias, that actually is fairly common. My ex-fiance's name was used by one of his past associates and that charge resulted in a warrant being issued for his arrest. When they pulled my ex over for a traffic violation, they ran his name and took him to jail. It took them 4 hours after finger-printing my ex for them to realize they had the wrong guy (yes, they looked similar). LE wasn't willing to let him go based on looks alone, so they wanted to fingerprint him. Now my ex has to carry AT LEAST 3 forms of ID (birth cert, drivers license, ssn card, work ID, credit cards, etc.) with him EVERYWHERE he goes, just in case that scumbag used his name again. So it happens... :slap:

[STEADFAST]

Intersting story about a survivalist. My BIL's Aunt and cousin was murdered by the cousins husband in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, a couple of decades ago. This man was an ex vietnam vet and really was a survivalist. He fled to the mountains and even he couldn't make it for long. He was so cold and hungry that he surrendered and confessed to two horrified hunters that happened upon him. They held him at gunpoint until LE arrived.

I sure hope CAS is cold and hungry and scared right now. Not to mention how great it would be if he were being held at gunpoint, too!

[dee10134]

well maybe that's what was discussed when Stiles went to see Tina and she gave up all todds info(and the dog) who knows I wouldn't put it past her though

Why the hell wasn't the information regarding the pregnant dog released to the public sooner?! I don't understand why Tina waited so long to provide that tidbit of information...

[dee10134]

Did she actually say ''he always comes back to me?''.. as if that is something to brag about? Oh I will go be sick now... How many of you think she is somehow involved in this in more ways then she is letting on?

"he always comes back to me" IMHO translates to "yes, we are still together and no, he will not leave me behind..."

[dee10134]

Screengrab from the infamous CAS/Tina picnic interview. Her face has been blurred to focus attention on his ugly mug.

Just my observation, but it appears when he smiles, his forehead wrinkles and his cheeks puff up more towards his eyes... anyone else see this?

[TGIRecovered]

I think Chet likes to toot his own horn and Tina believes all of his crap. I still say they need to check under her bed. His survival skills are kicking in having to live with dust bunnies. He is a liar and Tina is his biggest fan, and I wouldn't doubt he used all these woman to threaten Tina that if she didn't do what he wanted her to do he would go to one of them, her being the desperate woman did what she needed to keep him. It is all about Tina. She doesn't care about her kids or grandkids and about her being a Nana to M. she sucks!!!

"He is a liar and Tina is his biggest fan," Funny, but sadly so true!

I too believe that CAS's purported survival skills will prove to be very limited. The guy is too self-indulgent to stay all alone out in the wilderness without modern conveniences. Besides, who is he going to have sex with out in the desert? He is addicted to using people, whether it be for sex or any other reason.

IMO he is much more likely to be found hiding behind another gullible woman, letting her feed him , lie for him and take care of him. No way this coward would last alone in the desert more than a day or two.

Susan

[dee10134]

Do we know if Dee forwarded all of the info she gathered to LE? LE is definitely on to Tina. But it would be nice to make sure they had as much documentation of her lies as possible.

In reflecting on yesterdays flurry of press junkets, I can honestly say that I have never seen anything as crazy as that. Lie after lie after lie. I wonder if Tina even knew that LE was going to be on LKL. How that must have rattled her!

Van Zandt on MSNBC says that when people are talking about survival skills that could mean that they went camping once in their lives or they can get water out of a cactus. I kinda think camping a few times is the case here. Why do I get the feeling that Tina, for a reason, is trying to lead LE away from looking for CAS in Vegas?

Link to MSNBC article and video:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21081572/

I posted it on Jaded's site. Who do I email the screen shots to? Does anyone have a tip email to Metro?

[dee10134]

I think Chet likes to toot his own horn and Tina believes all of his crap. I still say they need to check under her bed. His survival skills are kicking in having to live with dust bunnies. He is a liar and Tina is his biggest fan, and I wouldn't doubt he used all these woman to threaten Tina that if she didn't do what he wanted her to do he would go to one of them, her being the desperate woman did what she needed to keep him. It is all about Tina. She doesn't care about her kids or grandkids and about her being a Nana to M. she sucks!!!

She really IS his biggest fan. Didn't you hear, she wants to nominate him for an Oscar. :slap:

[Beffie]

Encore presentation of LKL at 11am this morning.

Catch Tinas acting and lets see if we can nominate her for an Emmy or Tony (isn't that for music???).

I personally think she is not that good of an actress, I am sure the Emmy will go to Chester the Molester not Tina the Enabler.

[SuziQ]

I posted it on Jaded's site. Who do I email the screen shots to? Does anyone have a tip email to Metro?

You might want to PM Christine. You may also want to make sure you send the info to several different people including the detective in Pahrump. More chance of it getting followed up that way.

[dee10134]

Can you believe this?!?!?

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7154235

[STEADFAST]

i just saw Todd Allen on MSNBC, and he said something regarding CAS and himself. Something like, "He is former military, as am I, and as service members, we are trained to disappear."

That seems kind of strange to me -- except for special forces, I would say that military training includes only the minimum of survival skills. I'm around military people all day and night, and I hardly know any that wouldn't starve without someone making them a sandwich.

When was Todd in the military? Has that been discussed? I am not comfortable about anyone in this family.

[Beffie]

"esides, who is he going to have sex with out in the desert?

I hope that is not why he picked up the dog. :eek:

[SuziQ]

"he always comes back to me" IMHO translates to "yes, we are still together and no, he will not leave me behind..."

Lol, you translate very well...

[dee10134]

You might want to PM Christine. You may also want to make sure you send the info to several different people including the detective in Pahrump. More chance of it getting followed up that way.

Hi SuziQ, I just PM'd her. I'll let you know when I forward it on...

[Beffie]

i just saw Todd Allen on MSNBC, and he said something regarding CAS and himself. Something like, "He is former military, as am I, and as service members, we are trained to disappear."

That seems kind of strange to me -- except for special forces, I would say that military training includes only the minimum of survival skills. I'm around military people all day and night, and I hardly know any that wouldn't starve without someone making them a sandwich.

When was Todd in the military? Has that been discussed? I am not comfortable about anyone in this family.

From what I heard Todd didn't make it out of boot camp. We are trained to disappear...disappear from what?

[Jaded]

i just saw Todd Allen on MSNBC, and he said something regarding CAS and himself. Something like, "He is former military, as am I, and as service members, we are trained to disappear."

That seems kind of strange to me -- except for special forces, I would say that military training includes only the minimum of survival skills. I'm around military people all day and night, and I hardly know any that wouldn't starve without someone making them a sandwich.

When was Todd in the military? Has that been discussed? I am not comfortable about anyone in this family.

For reasons unknown, he never finished basic training for the Army. This was on his myspace.

[dee10134]

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7154235

"Nye county officers were given the tape on Sept. 8. That's more than a week before they told the public about the case."

THAT is EXACTLY why she can't get her date straight as to when CAS stopped by for his "friendly hello." So now she says "September 4th" because doesn't want LE thinking he stopped by AFTER the tape was released to the public because she will most definitely catch some flack for that!!!!!!!!
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[Chica]

From what I heard Todd didn't make it out of boot camp. We are trained to disappear...disappear from what?

...disappear from boot camp?? lol

[Shamrock]

I feel bad for Todd in a way. He is obviously the victim of a mother who put her child molester boyfriend before anything else - including her children. Women like that make me sick. She knows more than she is saying and from the looks of her last night on LKL, it seems to me that she's still very much in love with CAS.

Excuse me while I make my way to the bathroom to :sick:

[Shamrock]

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7154235

"[Nye county officers were given the tape on Sept. 8. That's more than a week before they told the public about the case."

THAT is EXACTLY why she can't get her date straight as to when CAS stopped by for his "friendly hello." So now she says "September 4th" because doesn't want LE thinking he stopped by AFTER the tape was released to the public because she will most definitely catch some flack for that!!!!!!!!
[/SIZE]

Good point!!!

[SuziQ]

Hi SuziQ, I just PM'd her. I'll let you know when I forward it on...

Good deal, thanks for everything you've done. :blowkiss:

[Beffie]

Excuse me while I make my way to the bathroom to :sick:

Tip...just keep a barf bucket right next to the computer. I think this is going to get worse before it gets better.

[SuziQ]

Good point!!!

And somewhere at some point, Todd stated that CAS showed up AFTER the tape was released. I'm not saying Todd knew about the tape then saw CAS. I do think Todd put two and two together after the fact. Something his mom can't seem to honestly do.

[laura2007]

She really IS his biggest fan. Didn't you hear, she wants to nominate him for an Oscar. :slap:

LOL! I totally agree. I also think she is covering for him and agree with the person who said they should check under her bed. :laugh:

There is no doubt in my mind that she is under his control. When I saw her on CNN yesterday and she said he is a survivalist and that he could hunt in the mountains with a gun, knife or bow, I figured LE should look in the opposite direction (desert, mexican border or her closet) because she is not going to want him to go to jail where he would be out of her life for good. What would she do then? This woman is whacked.

It will be interesting to see if she disappears and runs off again after her 15 minutes is up.

[DeltaDawn]

In the LKL interview LK asked Tina if she has spoken to M or her Mom since this became public...she said no....but she is on National TV doing interviews..what is wrong with this women.
And she says that M doesn't remember..not to go there

This women is guilty as sin..and she looked high as a kite in that interview....she is going over the edge soon and LE is gonna be there to make sure they get every word of what she has to say.

I thought it was strange there are no pics of CAS since 2004-2007, but obviuosly he had a warrant out and probably would not allow his pic taken.
I aalso did not see any pics of him i the family pics, so I am thinking the kids didn't want anything to do with him and didn't invite him and Mother of the Year to their family outings.

[DeltaDawn]

I still beleive Todd's story that he was in the area as soon as last week, which he said in one of his first interviews..so I guess a week and a half possibly now..but no way did he say the beginnning of Sept as Mother of the Year claims..

[DeltaDawn]

Hoping that if Tina has any children under the age of 18 living in her home that they are taken from her immediately and sent to live with their Dad on the West Coast.

[SuziQ]

Last night's Nancy Grace transcript:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/01/ng.01.html

[Beffie]

Just another thought. What good family man makes the comment he will never be taken alive? I have to say I have NEVER made that comment, my husband has never made that comment. I believe you are admitting your guilt when you make that statement. Yet, Tina didn't believe he was a bad guy.

I just keep hearing family said Stiles is a former Navy Seal, survivalist, knife carrier and vowed to never be caught alive. Tina said she hasn't talked to him in the past week, two weeks, month (I believe more like half hour), yet he makes that comment. Who says that??? And WHEN did he make that comment?

[dkitty]

I'd bet the farm, Tina knows where he is...

[Jeana (DP)]

Can you believe this?!?!?

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7154235

What a bunch of asses.:doh:

[Mygirlsadie]

Could it be Tina don't want LE 'to go there' because she is afraid M might say something about her (tina) as well?.. Obviously CAS got access to M through Tina..but how when why etc etc..(that is probably what she DON'T want M to 'remember')

[Beffie]

Could it be Tina don't want LE 'to go there' because she is afraid M might say something about her (tina) as well?.. Obviously CAS got access to M through Tina..but how when why etc etc..(that is probably what she DON'T want M to 'remember')

BINGO!!! That is exactly what I think, too. Nana not so good!!

[SewingDeb]

What really got me on the LKL interview was when Tina said M was about 18 months old when Chester met her.

[Mygirlsadie]

LOL..umm he didnt even make it through boot camp. I don't know what Todd is talking about but like you I am around military day and night and believe me unless your a SEAL or SF your not trained to disappear in your regular boot camp stint for which he couldnt even complete to the end.. I don't want to make fun of Todd because as of right now to me he is the only sane one in the family (so far) but his statement is obviously laughable to people who know about the military. (was he talking about boy scouts? tsk tsk)

[dee10134]

ANOTHER LIE:

"Allen, who knows of the girl on the tape, said she is now "fairly happy," and apparently remembers nothing from the assault."Don't dig this out of her," Allen said. "Don't make her say anything, don't put her through more torture than she's already been."

Now, Tina, how the heck would you know this if you just said on Larry King last night that you haven't talked to them since Summer...



Didn't good ol' Tina deny knowing ANYTHING about the assault or the tape before 9/8/2007 when they released the tape??? So if she hasn't spoken to the family since SUMMER, then how the world would Tina Allen know anything about M and what M remembers if she said she hasn't spoken to them since summer and the tape just came out last week??!??



Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21081572/

[DeltaDawn]

ANOTHER LIE:

"Allen, who knows of the girl on the tape, said she is now "fairly happy," and apparently remembers nothing from the assault."Don't dig this out of her," Allen said. "Don't make her say anything, don't put her through more torture than she's already been."

Now, Tina, how the heck would you know this if you just said on Larry King last night that you haven't talked to them since Summer...

Agreed..Tina is afraid of what M might remember because Tina is not innocent in this.

[Beffie]

Does anyone know if Tina is making any guest appearances today. I am curious to how her story will change since yesterday. I am hearing the song in my head (from childhood) Liar liar pants on fire, hanging from a telephone wire. ;)

[dee10134]

AND ANOTHER:

"Allen said Stiles stopped by her house last week for a friendly visit before his name was linked to the videotape."

So, does this mean he stopped by after 9/8 when the images were released, but before he was identified as the man on the tape?

So he MUST have stopped over the house to "tell her his plans," say goodbye, pick up some cash, and grab his dog. Probably told Tina EXACTLY where he was going and to cover for him while he trys to run.

She knows SO much more than she's letting on it's ridiculous...

[Jaded]

Email from Sheriff DeMeo regarding my inquiry as to why the vehicle description has not been released to the public:

Hi

Stiles investigation has been sent to Las Vegas Metro since he is wanted there and the crime took place in Vegas as well.

Las Vegas Metro is lead agency any information requests should be sent there.

Thank you for your interest

[DeltaDawn]

Nancy is talking about this case again tonight..wouldn't it be great if she got a crack at Tina....poor Tina wouldn't stand any kind of chance once Nancy started questioning her

[dee10134]

Does anyone know if Tina is making any guest appearances today. I am curious to how her story will change since yesterday. I am hearing the song in my head (from childhood) Liar liar pants on fire, hanging from a telephone wire. ;)

:liar: LOL

[Shamrock]

Nancy would be great at grilling Tina!! Maybe she would point out some of her inconsistencies.

[STEADFAST]

LOL..umm he didnt even make it through boot camp. I don't know what Todd is talking about but like you I am around military day and night and believe me unless your a SEAL or SF your not trained to disappear in your regular boot camp stint for which he couldnt even complete to the end.. I don't want to make fun of Todd because as of right now to me he is the only sane one in the family (so far) but his statement is obviously laughable to people who know about the military. (was he talking about boy scouts? tsk tsk)

Does anyone know exactly how many weeks Todd stayed in boot camp? It's pretty rare, even for the most awkward, homesick, incompetent recruit to not make it through. Usually, they just extend your stay until you do make it. It's not like flunking out of college or something.

One exception -- if you pop positive on your incoming urine test, which takes a while to come back and get processed, etc. Or if they find you lied about something significant in your paperwork, like criminal convictions.

I don't think Todd knew anything about CAS's perversion, but I do think he knew CAS was a criminal and should have known he was not an appropriate person to be around M.

[lviola]

Nancy is talking about this case again tonight..wouldn't it be great if she got a crack at Tina....poor Tina wouldn't stand any kind of chance once Nancy started questioning her


I bet Nancy could get her to crack ... Nancy would have her stumbling over her own words. Nancy would confront her with her lies.

[Samiya]

i just saw Todd Allen on MSNBC, and he said something regarding CAS and himself. Something like, "He is former military, as am I, and as service members, we are trained to disappear."

That seems kind of strange to me -- except for special forces, I would say that military training includes only the minimum of survival skills. I'm around military people all day and night, and I hardly know any that wouldn't starve without someone making them a sandwich.

When was Todd in the military? Has that been discussed? I am not comfortable about anyone in this family.

Sounds like words from a bootcamp non survivor to me.

They tend to make everyone believe they trained Special Ops.

24 hours in the bush....25 hours and cries of "mommy" are heard echoing through the darkness.

Still catching up....
Sami

[dee10134]

Larry King Live Transcript from 10/1/2007:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0710/01/lkl.01.html

[Lurker]

Does anyone else find it odd that Tina said M is now "fairly happy"?

WTH? That strikes me as a very odd comment regarding the welfare of a child.

[dee10134]

"
KING: When was the last time you saw Chester?

ALLEN: A few weeks ago.

KING: A few weeks ago.

ALLEN: Yes."

THEN... later in the transcript:

" KING: When was the last time you saw Chester?

ALLEN: I'm guesstimating about September 4th, it would have been, before his birthday.

KING: And it was a normal day, normal evening?

ALLEN: He just stopped by to tell me his plans, where he had been, to show me that he was driving a new vehicle. Just, you know, kind of catching up like friends do."

[dee10134]

This statement stood out to me for some reason: "I'm guesstimating about September 4th, it would have been, before his birthday."

Isn't CAS' birthday 9/14? I think she saw him ON his birthday and after his birthday, definitely after the release of the images. I'm pretty sure she never broke it off with him.

[dee10134]

Does anyone else find it odd that Tina said M is now "fairly happy"?

WTH? That strikes me as a very odd comment regarding the welfare of a child.

Yeah, that is odd. If someone asks me how my daughter is doing, I will usually tell them how she's doing. You know, "oh, she's doing wonderful" or "she's been sick" or "she's in a growth spurt."

Not that she's "fairly happy." :doh:

[dkitty]

I bet Nancy could get her to crack ... Nancy would have her stumbling over her own words. Nancy would confront her with her lies.

I would love to see her on NG or Dr. Phil..LOL

[cheko1]

Ok so we know Tina is a liar....
She claims not to know where CAS is....
She hasn't talked to him in a week...
or was it a month?
She told the world that CAS 'always' comes back to her.

She says M don't remmber........
But she also says she hasn't spoken to M Mom.

She claims she never knew about the abuse with M.
We also know she knew about the abuse with the 6 yr old.

We also know no woman in her right mind would pretect a child molester.
So why is she talking to media?
To make herself look important?
She definately knows where he is at.

We also know know birds of a feather flock together!
She'll be right back with him as soon as she gets a phone call.

[cheko1]

Does anyone else find it odd that Tina said M is now "fairly happy"?

WTH? That strikes me as a very odd comment regarding the welfare of a child.

Hasn't she stated she hasn't spoken to M or her Mom?
So how would she know or qualify herself to be M's spokesman?

[richandfamous]

What really got me on the LKL interview was when Tina said M was about 18 months old when Chester met her.

oh chit...........

[cheko1]

What really got me on the LKL interview was when Tina said M was about 18 months old when Chester met her.

Was she asked how many times she was left alone with him?

Scares the he!! out of me!!!!!

[laura2007]

"
ALLEN: He just stopped by to tell me his plans, where he had been, to show me that he was driving a new vehicle. Just, you know, kind of catching up like friends do."

This woman makes me sick. This statement...and there are other similar comments she's made. The sole purpose is that she is identifying herself with him.

I would think that any sane woman who finds out her ex-boyfriend is wanted for a monstrous crime would try to distance herself from the guy. :twocents:

[Mysticchic]

From AMW.com
Among the startling revelations from the interview: Stiles claims that he was molested as a child, and that he now practices S&M and bondage. Allen told AMW that Stiles loves animals, treats his pets better than human beings, and that he may be traveling with a dangerous breed of dog.
She is really trying to help him hide.

[SieSie]

I just finished Thread #3, and now I'm here on page 1 and there are already 4 pages. :doh: Will I ever catch up?

Here's a hair adjustment I did (it's a woman's cut, lol) since everyone is saying his hair is longer now - this would also cover his ears, which definitely makes him less obvious.
http://i22.tinypic.com/2v34vt0.jpg

I wonder why they don't have professionals doing this and putting out flyers? The news media really isn't enough - I've had CNN on in the background for 2 hours now and haven't heard a thing about this case - we need to keep his picture out there, as well as possible alterations in his appearance. Surely they have the ability to do this, because I've seen them reconstruct faces from skulls and they can do age-progression and stuff - WHY aren't we seeing that there are posters and stuff all over to be on the lookout for this guy. ??? I hope every store owner in NV, CA, etc... have posters up, but I somehow doubt it.

[Beffie]

If you put on the other CNN news they have LKL on now.

Put your boots on Tinas talking.

CNN Headline news

[Beffie]

Siesie...could you please put Barry Gibbs hairdo on him. With sunglasses on top of the head like a headband...or a baseball cap with Navy Seals on it.

Thinking about the Navy Seals ballcap...do you think if I get a Miss America cap I would be mistaken for Miss America....just a thought. Sorry to get off topic. :crazy:

[STEADFAST]

From AMW.com
Among the startling revelations from the interview: Stiles claims that he was molested as a child, and that he now practices S&M and bondage. Allen told AMW that Stiles loves animals, treats his pets better than human beings, and that he may be traveling with a dangerous breed of dog.
She is really trying to help him hide.

I see how this is all going to play out

It's not the fault of M's mom, because it was Todd's mom's boyfriend, whose criminal activities she could have no knowledge of -- her boyfriend never talked of it? --and she could not know that CAS would ever be left alone with her daughter.

It's not the fault of Todd, because he believed his mother, Tina, that her criminal boyfriend, CAS, would not molest a child, even though he was accused of just that, and anyway CAS was never left alone with the child.

It's not the fault of Tina, because CAS was so charming and such a good actor that, even though she knew he was a criminal and violent, she considered him a good family man and also she never left him alone with the child.

It's not the fault of CAS because he was abused as a child and no one should have left him alone with one.

[DeltaDawn]

From AMW.com
Among the startling revelations from the interview: Stiles claims that he was molested as a child, and that he now practices S&M and bondage. Allen told AMW that Stiles loves animals, treats his pets better than human beings, and that he may be traveling with a dangerous breed of dog.
She is really trying to help him hide.

That's very interesting about the S&M and Bondage for two reasons.

1 This type of pedophile usually is very much into S&M as well as very hard core porn

2. Not to diss Todd, but in one of his journal entries he talks about the fact that he is a dom and always carries handcuffs with him, meaning Todd himself.
I thought my goodness where oh where would have Todd been exposed to that behavior..now we know. More then likely Todd grew out of that stage because this was when he was younger and first moved away.

But obviously Tina didn't mind exposing her own kids to Stiles who grew pot in his sunroom, sold large quantitiesof pot, went in for Bondage and S& M, beat her and broke her jaw, threw her son into the fireplace, had arrest warrants for theft, lewd behavior with a minor child, beating a law officer, burglary, grand theft auto, and obviously was way deep into hard core and kiddy porn.

Gee, I would agree Tina, you never exposed your own kids to any kind of danger..why would you suspect him? He was such a nice strong family man type. You couldn't have known this would happen sweetheart!!!

[Shamrock]

It would also be nice to see enhanced pictures of him with more weight and less weight. The appearance of someone can be changed dramatically depending on their weight.

[Beffie]

I see how this is all going to play out

It's not the fault of M's mom, because it was Todd's mom's boyfriend, whose criminal activities she could have no knowledge of -- her boyfriend never talked of it? --and she could not know that CAS would ever be left alone with her daughter.

It's not the fault of Todd, because he believed his mother, Tina, that her criminal boyfriend, CAS, would not molest a child, even though he was accused of just that, and anyway CAS was never left alone with the child.

It's not the fault of Tina, because CAS was so charming and such a good actor that, even though she knew he was a criminal and violent, she considered him a good family man and also she never left him alone with the child.

It's not the fault of CAS because he was abused as a child and no one should have left him alone with one.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. Case closed. I really have alot of things that need to be done, but I am here. Thanks for the info. I can go about my life now. :blowkiss:

[LovingTheChaos]

Agreed..Tina is afraid of what M might remember because Tina is not innocent in this.

I have a 3 Year old & a 5 year old. My 5 year old is always telling me stories about things that happened when she was 3. Sometimes she remembers things that are so mundane, it surprises me. While I hope this little baby has blocked those memories, it is doubtful that she doesn't remember any of it.

[Jeana (DP)]

I have a 3 Year old & a 5 year old. My 5 year old is always telling me stories about things that happened when she was 3. Sometimes she remembers things that are so mundane, it surprises me. While I hope this little baby has blocked those memories, it is doubtful that she doesn't remember any of it.

I think that even if she doesn't remember (which I seriously doubt), she's going to have lasting emotional trauma from this that will stay with her forever. She may not know why its there, but it will be there.

[DeltaDawn]

SieSie...Great job on the hair adjustments...thank you so much...you are the best.

[philamena]

;):woohoo:SieSie,
GREAT JOB.

[DeltaDawn]

I don't buy the weight change Tina talked about. Todd has never mentioned that in any of his interviews, not once. I think Tina is trying to throw us off the trail here. The hair, Todd mentioned too, but nothing about the weight.

[Indiana at Heart]

I keep hearing about Todd journal entries where are they so I can go read them

[DeltaDawn]

Also don't buy this little girl doesn't have any memory of this..why would she cry when LE showed her the photos of this guy if she didn't have a memory.. Le says both the mom and daughter cried when they were shown the still shots. They have never viewed any of the video, either of them.
This little girl remembers. And if this monster knew her since she was 18 months old that could explain a very slow long process of him gradually abusing her..as he was starting with the other little girl, so that there would have been no physical signs so to speak. Some one else said something similiar over the last few days. LE said it appeared this happened before to the little girl M so he proabably started this almost as soon as he met the child.
You have to wonder how no one knew though..you have to wonder.

[DeltaDawn]

I keep hearing about Todd journal entries where are they so I can go read them

Go to the first thread at the top of the Current Crimes in the News page..there is a thread started ther with many of the links.

[Jaded]

http://i24.tinypic.com/2qlg7zd.png

With hair a bit longer and sunglasses on top.

[SewingDeb]

Was she asked how many times she was left alone with him?

Scares the he!! out of me!!!!!

I don't recall that anyone asked her. I would love to know the answer to that myself.

[dee10134]

I have a 3 Year old & a 5 year old. My 5 year old is always telling me stories about things that happened when she was 3. Sometimes she remembers things that are so mundane, it surprises me. While I hope this little baby has blocked those memories, it is doubtful that she doesn't remember any of it.

I agree. My earliest memory was when I was two. I "ran away" from home after my mother left me on the front porch to check on my little brother for two seconds. I was found by the police about three blocks away, but it was such a traumatic experience that I remember every little detail of it, like it's burned into my brain forever.

My daughter's earliest memory is from when she just turned three. She had this stuffed lamb, "Lambie," since she was born. She also had a problem with sucking her thumb that was usually triggered by holding Lambie. On my mother's advice, Lambie had to go on vacation (I took him and put him away in a box in the attic) and she hasn't sucked her thumb since. She still remembers that Lambie is on vacation and asks me when he's coming back because she misses him... :o

[dee10134]

I keep hearing about Todd journal entries where are they so I can go read them

Indy, go to this link and you should be able to read them there: http://truecrimeboard.com/nuke/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownload&cid=1

[Lurker]

My earliest memory is from when I was about 3. I had a slurpee that my dad bought me and was teasing my brothers saying "Want some? Just kidding" My Dad took it away from me and let them split it. lol

[SewingDeb]

Jaded, would you mind if I borrowed picture that to post on another forum? Trying to get his picture out as much as possible.

[dee10134]

My earliest memory is from when I was about 3. I had a slurpee that my dad bought me and was teasing my brothers saying "Want some? Just kidding" My Dad took it away from me and let them split it. lol

Sounds like you got ripped off! No wonder you remember it. Probably because it made you so mad!

[SewingDeb]

My memories start at 18 months. I hope she has blocked it, even though it may not be the best thing for her in the long run.

[Lurker]

Sounds like you got ripped off! No wonder you remember it. Probably because it made you so mad!


Yep, my Dad kept warning me to stop teasing them and I didn't listen. I had gone with him to pick them up from a sleep over. I was mad for the rest of the day. LOL

I find it highly unlikely that she doesn't remember any of it. And I keep coming back to Tina's "She's doing fairly well" statement. It's just such an odd way to answer that question about how M is today.

[Jaded]

Jaded, would you mind if I borrowed picture that to post on another forum? Trying to get his picture out as much as possible.

Nope, go right ahead. I'm going to toy around with a ballcap pic.

[philamena]

My earliest memory is from when I was about 3. I had a slurpee that my dad bought me and was teasing my brothers saying "Want some? Just kidding" My Dad took it away from me and let them split it. lol

Lurker,
Gosh, that sounds kinda mean. lol
Hope everyone got to enjoy the slurpee. ;)

[jilly]

It would also be nice to see enhanced pictures of him with more weight and less weight. The appearance of someone can be changed dramatically depending on their weight.

I've been thinking this. In the video still he looks a lot heavier. He looks totally different than his previous mug shot.

[SuziQ]

(snip)
But at her Las Vegas home, Allen's mother, 65-year-old Nola Krause, said Monday she always had a bad feeling about Stiles. Krause said she made it clear to Stiles that she was not, going to be civil toward him, so Stiles stayed away from the family's house when she was there.
"I did not like him. He was not a person I cared to have around," she said from her Las Vegas home.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10174791.html

[DeltaDawn]

Excerpt from Todd's Journal
snip
Date:2003-12-24 12:43
Subject:WEEEEEHAAAAAA
Security:Public
Mood:http://img.greatestjournal.com/mood/pne/kanjimood/15-happy.gif relieved
Music:evanessence


Ok enough of the depression crap now for the livening up.. I spoke to members of my family last night and found out that my grandfather is walking agian *jumps up and down* finally after all the crap he has been through the meds are payin off no more wheel chair, but he still has to use the walker.. he aid he can take about 4 steps with out the walker but he is trying his hardest to get back up and mobile.

Now my mother... well lets see.. lost her job.. her fiannce is being charged with Sexual assault on a lil kid, lil kid being 6 year old girl.(i swear i'll kill him if i ever see him), and yet she is still with him.. i dont understand her sometiems but then again love is blind to all actions that are not your own... do you understand?
snip

Now if this doesn't prove grandad was doing better, Mom knew about the SOB and the lewdness charges, was still seeing CAS ..I don't know what does.

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know many men that brag about being a "Dom" and carrying handcuffs (unless you are LE! hehehe). Not that it is a bad thing, but I think Todd is gay and it accounts for some of the things in his journal entries.

Tina's 15 minutes is going to end up getting her 15 years. I couldn't think of a better way to keep her away from other children in the future. If it isn't this child molester...she will find another one to introduce to her family's and friends' children. She is up to her eyeballs in this and it is going to come out eventually what role she actually played. Besides...you can't lie to LE in such an investigation and expect to walk away.

Tina couldn't recall the introduction of Stiles to Patience...but she immediately knew she was 18 months old. She also lied about her not being around during the time the tape was made...why was Stiles at Steph's? Tina wants everyone to believe he went there alone to babysit?! Steph and Todd didn't like him! It didn't happen that way.

[philamena]

Tina is an enabler.
I have a feeling she's covering for CAS. I bet she's heard from him since the tape aired. Now she's running scared and wants protection...too bad.
M and Tina's own kids and grandkids should have had protection from her pos bf.

[Al_B]

Don't know if this has been posted as I just heard the baby's mom's lawyer is going to be releasing a statement in about an hour and a half according to MSNBC

[Beffie]

Just heard on MSNBC that M's moms lawyer is going to hold a news conference. Wants to talk about how M's mom didn't notice abuse. Sounds like M's mom is going to come out fighting. Good for her. Tina might want to hurry and tell Chet to come get her. I can only imagine how angry M's mom is with her. She said she hasn't talked to M or M's mom. I hope to never be in that situation, but if I found out someone I was associated with abused a child I was caring for I would call and beg for forgiveness. But, Tina only seemed to be concerned about her own safety.

[SeriouslySearching]

(snip)
But at her Las Vegas home, Allen's mother, 65-year-old Nola Krause, said Monday she always had a bad feeling about Stiles. Krause said she made it clear to Stiles that she was not, going to be civil toward him, so Stiles stayed away from the family's house when she was there.
"I did not like him. He was not a person I cared to have around," she said from her Las Vegas home.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10174791.html She should have listened to her mother. She sounds like a very insightful and strict woman to me. :clap:

[Beffie]

[QUOTE=philamena;1713031]Tina is an enabler.
I have a feeling she's covering for CAS. I bet she's heard from him since the tapes aired. Now she's running scared and wants protection...too bad.[QUOTE]


I personally think she is just trying to get the attention off herself. She is NOT scared for her safety. Or at least not because of Chet.

[dee10134]

As a mother of a young girl, I was curious what the extent and causes of behavior like this are and if the defense might craft up a psychological excuse for CAS...

Here's the wikipedia article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

It says that "some studies have concluded that at least a quarter of all adult men may have some feelings of sexual arousal in connection with pre-pubescent youths."

I find that absolutely disgusting. :(

"Situational offenders tend to offend at times of stress; have a later onset of offending; have fewer, often familial victims; and have a general preference for adult partners."

That describes CAS to at "T."

[richandfamous]

geeshus h keerist...if I was that girls mom I would be digging a hole and hiding my child from the intense spot light...I would just shoulder the guilt projected by the public and protect her as much as I could. Instead she is probably going to try and exonerate herself! jmo

[lizzybeth]

Does anyone know exactly how many weeks Todd stayed in boot camp? It's pretty rare, even for the most awkward, homesick, incompetent recruit to not make it through. Usually, they just extend your stay until you do make it. It's not like flunking out of college or something.

One exception -- if you pop positive on your incoming urine test, which takes a while to come back and get processed, etc. Or if they find you lied about something significant in your paperwork, like criminal convictions.

I don't think Todd knew anything about CAS's perversion, but I do think he knew CAS was a criminal and should have known he was not an appropriate person to be around M.


I have a very straight laced cousin that was released from boot camp because of physical problem. Something that didn't show up in the initial physical. Let's just say "female problems". Course that was after they operated on her a few times (guinea pig). Todd could have been released for a medical problem. I'm like the rest of you. I don't think Todd knew about this videotape. The journal entry makes me think that he did know that there was a possibility that CAS has molested M in some way. He also says in the entry that the person that told him this (which I assume to be M's mother) didn't want him to tell anyone.

Someone said they couldn't believe that Tina would knowingly allow CAS to molest a child. Anyone remember Carla Holkom (sp)?

[philamena]

I think she's scared Beffie. One of the news reports posted yesterday mentioned that Stiles punched Tina in the nose a few years ago....I think she's scared that he's coming to get her.

[dee10134]

I don't know many men that brag about being a "Dom" and carrying handcuffs (unless you are LE! hehehe). Not that it is a bad thing, but I think Todd is gay and it accounts for some of the things in his journal entries.

(snip)

There is a journal entry in which Todd takes a "sex quiz." I'll post the link if you want to see. He claims in that quiz that he was gay for 2 years in the past... so he must be bi or maybe he went back to women... idk... There is some pretty raunchy stuff in it but if you want the link, I'll send it.

[dee10134]

Just heard on MSNBC that M's moms lawyer is going to hold a news conference. Wants to talk about how M's mom didn't notice abuse. Sounds like M's mom is going to come out fighting. Good for her. Tina might want to hurry and tell Chet to come get her. I can only imagine how angry M's mom is with her. She said she hasn't talked to M or M's mom. I hope to never be in that situation, but if I found out someone I was associated with abused a child I was caring for I would call and beg for forgiveness. But, Tina only seemed to be concerned about her own safety.

Exactly my thoughts on it!

[SeriouslySearching]

We have tried so hard to keep the mom and Patience out of the public eye, but it is her choice if she wants to come forward. I hope her Lawyer has explained what this will mean for the future. Once she goes public, she can never go back to any sense of anonimity and neither can Patience. If the Lawyer thinks he can continue to hide or protect them...he is wrong.

While I realize they are investigating the mother, she doesn't need to respond unless they bring charges. I hope this Lawyer chokes at his presser because it sounds like he is now after his 15 minutes, imo.

[Beffie]

I think she's scared Beffie. One of the news reports posted yesterday mentioned that Stiles punched Tina in the nose a few years ago....I think she's scared that he's coming to get her.

See I did not see that. I think it was all an act about being scared, which was the most emotion she showed the whole interview. It is all about Tina...maybe she is scared, but she seems to live in lala land. I think she is still talking to Chet and waiting for things to die down so he can COME BACK to her...like he always does (maybe because she knows lots of little girls).

[lizzybeth]

Snipped:


I don't know many men that brag about being a "Dom" and carrying handcuffs (unless you are LE! hehehe). Not that it is a bad thing, but I think Todd is gay and it accounts for some of the things in his journal entries.

I wondered about that too. That might account for being released from the military. Don't ask don't tell. Maybe he told. But then again he does mention a lot of women that he has feelings for in his journal. Then again he mentions (is it Keith or Kevin) and him hanging out with some drag queens and the other guy, keith or Kevin, making out with one.

Dunno. Doesn't really matter I guess.

[Dryad]

I remember an entry somewhere in his journal where he mentioned he thought he might have an STD like gonorrhea...does anyone remember that? Would that be reason for a medical release?

[Beffie]

We have tried so hard to keep the mom and Patience out of the public eye, but it is her choice if she wants to come forward. I hope her Lawyer has explained what this will mean for the future. Once she goes public, she can never go back to any sense of anonimity and neither can Patience. If the Lawyer thinks he can continue to hide or protect them...he is wrong.

While I realize they are investigating the mother, she doesn't need to respond unless they bring charges. I hope this Lawyer chokes at his presser because it sounds like he is now after his 15 minutes, imo.

I just thought the lawyer was talking not the mother.

[Al_B]

question if I bought one of these
http://www.usnavysealstore.com/index.asp?action=11&cat=96
does it make me a Navy Seal? j/k

[lizzybeth]

I remember an entry somewhere in his journal where he mentioned he thought he might have an STD like gonorrhea...does anyone remember that? Would that be reason for a medical release?

Don't think so. Our military might be down to just hundreds if that were the case. Don't everyone jump on me for that comment. I love our military and live in a military town. It's just something that happens.

[Beffie]

question if I bought one of these
http://www.usnavysealstore.com/index.asp?action=11&cat=96
does it make me a Navy Seal? j/k


Heck yeah!!! You can just disappear, too. I might want to get me one of those. LOL.

[lizzybeth]

Does anyone know of a link where those who aren't near a tv can watch the press conference?

[lizzybeth]

question if I bought one of these
http://www.usnavysealstore.com/index.asp?action=11&cat=96
does it make me a Navy Seal? j/k

Before I scrolled down I thought you meant that tank looking thingy at the top of the page. Yeah, you could be anything you wanted to with that.

[philamena]

I personally think she is just trying to get the attention off herself. She is NOT scared for her safety. Or at least not because of Chet.

I think she's afraid he's going to come after her since she's doing tv interviews. HE's an abuser and rapist....I've no doubt that he abused Tina. AM I taking her side.nooooo way...I think she's hiding his sorry azz.

Forgot to add, I watched the news conference with the child's mother's lawyer.
HE is an IDIOT. He had the nerve to say that M was a well and normal child even if she suffered abuse. Next he said he didn't know if she was abused because he hadn't seen the video.
Can you say moron? The NYE Sheriff's dept said the video showed the brutal rape of a child.
Repeating, the mother of M needs to get a lawyer with some brains.

[Mygirlsadie]

Ok I am a little confused here..was Todd at one time dating M's mom? Or is Todd gay?

[concernedperson]

Have they caught this guy yet? Jiminy, I hope it is soon.

[DeltaDawn]

The mother of little M had her attorney relaese a statement today.. I put the statement under the links thread....

It appears that little M was under 3 years old when this tape was made.

I kind of thought that because I have a grand daughter that just turned 2...and she has the same body language as M did in the tape and same innocent postures and poses....

I think that nightgown or dress CAS had purposedly rigged to add a little bra inside to make her look as she did on the tape...

He needs to be brought down quick..he is an animal..some one please put him down.

[SeriouslySearching]

I heard he dated her...but not sure that is true. I, personally, think he is gay.

[philamena]

From the media link-mother makes comment-
He described the mother as "super mom" -- always working, the child had a babysitter and he says the mom never saw any signs of abuse.

The lawyer said the mom worked 6 days a week. What do you want to bet that she worked 6 days a week and wasn't always the one to bathe her little girl? I bet the 'babysitter' practically raised little M.
I bet the baby sitter was Tina and her ****** boyfriend.
There's more to this than we've been told.

[SeriouslySearching]

Tip of the iceberg...I am telling you! There is SO much more to this story yet to come. Other families are going to start coming out of the woodwork, too. I bet a few wait until he is behind bars tho.

[believe09]

Good Evening everyone-I saw a report of his list of domestic violence charges since 1993-all were for the mother of his child who is listed as one year older than he is in all of the family court documents. He is a very very violent man, so Tina has a right to be worried at least on the surface. He does not appear to have much respect for the law, or the court system. I think that Tina's story will be unravelling shortly-she seems to have been (I am speculating) his cover/hiding place/shelter during much of his turbulent days as a...dare I say...parent.

Forgive me if I am covering ground that has been covered...I haven't been able to sign on for a while.

[MsRusty]

Does LE still think that there were prior incidents of sexual abuse before the tape was made?

I'm going to ask a question regarding sexual abuse in children this age...Isn't it possible that the child (not only this case but in general) doesn't remember it, not necessarily because they're repressing that memory, but because they are innocent they don't realize something bad has happened to them? I don't know if my question makes sense. I was sexually abused as a child myself, and while it was nothing like this case, at the time it happened I didn't realize it was a bad thing. I don't know how to explain it. I thought nothing about it until several incidents later I was told I "must never mention this to anybody." Then I became scared and realized something was wrong. I was older though, I asked an aunt why somebody would want to do that (describing the act, without saying it was happening to me). She went on to tell me that only grownups do that kind of thing. But by that time I was too scared to say anything and it continued for a while longer. But that led me to wonder that maybe this child put it out of her mind because she didn't know any better, again, hope I'm making sense.

[DeltaDawn]

I don't think that Todd was Gay..he hung around at that time with what appears to be a gothic type of crowd and the handcuffs go with that scenerio. He was always talking about girlfriends..and he seemed to have quite a few that enjoyed being with him. I think he may have dated M 's Mom at some point when they all stayed in the same apartment..

But even if he were gay what does that have to do with this.

I think he has shown himself to be a stand up guy who is trying to take the presses interest off of teh family and M and her Mom. However he seems to be not interested in what happens to his Mom at this point..See this morning's Today Show interview...I could almost feel him saying Mom what goes around usually comes back around to bite you in the butt.

I don't think he has any good feelings about Momma right now.

And talking about Momma..if your kids don't like the guy you're seeing, your own mother doesn't like the guy you're seeing...wouldn't you get a hint there..Tina is not a person who ever placed anyone in her family first but herself.

[cheko1]

MsRusty,

You make perfect sense to someone who has also been abused!

[believe09]

Does LE still think that there were prior incidents of sexual abuse before the tape was made?

I'm going to ask a question regarding sexual abuse in children this age...Isn't it possible that the child (not only this case but in general) doesn't remember it, not necessarily because they're repressing that memory, but because they are innocent they don't realize something bad has happened to them? I don't know if my question makes sense. I was sexually abused as a child myself, and while it was nothing like this case, at the time it happened I didn't realize it was a bad thing. I don't know how to explain it. I thought nothing about it until several incidents later I was told I "must never mention this to anybody." Then I became scared and realized something was wrong. I was older though, I asked an aunt why somebody would want to do that (describing the act, without saying it was happening to me). She went on to tell me that only grownups do that kind of thing. But by that time I was too scared to say anything and it continued for a while longer. But that led me to wonder that maybe this child put it out of her mind because she didn't know any better, again, hope I'm making sense.

You are making perfect sense!! Actually Oprah of all people discussed the exact same issue when she was addressing her own abuse at the age of 9. She said at the time it felt good, it was nice to be loved and admired so it didn't occur to her that it was wrong until she was told it was. (I am paraphrasing.) Children aren't born with shame-they learn it...I think my underlying fear is physical and mental aftermath in the future for M simply because of the possibility of repetition and what age it began. That is my last word on this subject using her initial.

[Al_B]

my question about Tina is why hasn't she spoke to LE ? She has no problem with the press but won't talk to them or at least that was the case this morning

[Mygirlsadie]

Funny how Tina dated Stiles for ten years but now suddenly don't know where he is? Whatever lady..and as for her not talking to LE?.. She don't want to talk to them because she knows they are on to her.

[philamena]

my question about Tina is why hasn't she spoke to LE ? She has no problem with the press but won't talk to them or at least that was the case this morning

Are you serious?:banghead:
I didn't know that. If she 'ain't' talking to LE there's a reason.

[Al_B]

true and actually have to stick to one story true or not

[Al_B]

Are you serious?:banghead:
I didn't know that. If she 'ain't' talking to LE there's a reason.
that's what was reported this morning and LE very much wants to talk with her was what they told the news before M's mom's attorney went public with her statement

[philamena]

Al_B,
I must have missed that somewhere. Her not talking to LE says a lot.

[Tom'sGirl]

Al_B,
I must have missed that somewhere. Her not talking to LE says a lot.

I believe she said she had spoken with the FBI, but not LV Metro.

[MsRusty]

About Tina:

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7159681

[philamena]

Thanks Tom'sGirl.

[cheko1]

This came off the report of the mom of the victims lawyer;;;;;;;;;

Stiles ex-girlfriend Tina Allen told Eyewitness News she would cooperate with police. However, Metro detectives have not been able to find her Tuesday. They want her help in finding Stiles.

[justche]

About Tina:

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7159681

Whoever it was that said "tip of the iceberg" no kidding! She owns houses, rents apts for her kids (I believe I read), where does the money come from?

[hockeymom]

Does LE still think that there were prior incidents of sexual abuse before the tape was made?

I'm going to ask a question regarding sexual abuse in children this age...Isn't it possible that the child (not only this case but in general) doesn't remember it, not necessarily because they're repressing that memory, but because they are innocent they don't realize something bad has happened to them? I don't know if my question makes sense. I was sexually abused as a child myself, and while it was nothing like this case, at the time it happened I didn't realize it was a bad thing. I don't know how to explain it. I thought nothing about it until several incidents later I was told I "must never mention this to anybody." Then I became scared and realized something was wrong. I was older though, I asked an aunt why somebody would want to do that (describing the act, without saying it was happening to me). She went on to tell me that only grownups do that kind of thing. But by that time I was too scared to say anything and it continued for a while longer. But that led me to wonder that maybe this child put it out of her mind because she didn't know any better, again, hope I'm making sense.

So sorry you had to go through this.
My cousins daughter was abused by her stepfather at the age of 2,and she dooes not remember it as a good thing. Without getting too graphic here,I think it might depend on the age. At 2,any penetration is going to be painful,and in my cousins case,there was oral sex involved and that created gagging,vomiting.She had therapy,as much as a little girl could at that age,and was supposedly,"alright",yet lead a promiscuous life as a teenager,settled down,but now at almost 40 is reliving painful memories,and has had lots of problems with her sexuality. She is now in therapy again.
Hopefully this child is not blocking memories.

[Al_B]

for some reason I want the FBI to confirm Tina has talked to them because at this point I find her unreliable.

[philamena]

From Ms. Rusty's above link.
Chester Arthur Stiles' ex-girlfriend says she is convinced he is coming after her.
Now she wants Metro to protect her.
Detectives say Tina Allen is a major part of the case.
They say she is the link between the little girl sexually assaulted on tape and Stiles,--- they want to talk with her immediately.
Allen says she has already talked to federal agents looking for protection.
She's talked to the feds seeking protection but she hasn't spoken with Dect's working the case.


Things that make ya go hummmmmmmmmm.

[concernedperson]

She is a piece of work. Can't believe this woman as she is doing a dance that is called CYA.

[MsRusty]

Regarding this case, I'm getting all my news either from this site, CNN/Fox, or I look up LV tv stations. In some cases I'm away from home for hours and when I get back there's several pages to catch up on, so I might have missed a thing or two. But WHY is it that Tina thinks she's in danger?? I realize he's a violent man and is being considered dangerous, but why would he be after her? Of course at this point it might be because she can't keep her ass off TV, but really....she wasn't scared of him Sept. 4th (or whatever date she decided on) when he visited her. I think on top of everything else she's a drama queen. As I said the bit I saw on LKL last night she made this all about her.

Also, I haven't seen it happening here, but one of the articles I just read regarding the little girl's mother she asked that the little girl's name or picture not be used anymore. Are we going to just use her initial or Precious or what?

[SeriouslySearching]

We originally dubbed her as Patience...which is still how I refer to her. Now, she just has to be patient until we find this POS and put him away.

Tina didn't say why she thinks she is in danger. She came up with that as a response to the question of where she thought Stiles is right now. She was still seething after Bob from Nye made a comment about him having tons of gfs across the sw area. She responded to that first...then went into this "he is coming after me" routine. (rolls eyes)

[SewingDeb]

Interesting that she has not turned up or called Metro police.

[Dryad]

I was just on the Today Show website and they still have M's face shown on the small video player at the bottom of the page. When you click on it, it won't show the video she is sitting there on the bed and her face is still there. It's not blurred out either...don't they know by now to remove it????

[SeriouslySearching]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Interesting that she has not turned up or called Metro police.I guess she feels safer today. LMAO

[MsRusty]

We originally dubbed her as Patience...which is still how I refer to her. Now, she just has to be patient until we find this POS and put him away.



I'm sorry, I meant Patience!!

[Mygirlsadie]

Grose as if he has gf's all over the place..he wishes! The only gf's he is going to be getting is the Tina types so I don't know what she is all worried about. She needs to focus her energy on getting his tail behind bars for what he did to little M and not get her panties all in a bunch because she thinks he might have other gf's out there. Like that is reaaaaaallyyyyy something she needs to give a CHIT about right now?!





We originally dubbed her as Patience...which is still how I refer to her. Now, she just has to be patient until we find this POS and put him away.

Tina didn't say why she thinks she is in danger. She came up with that as a response to the question of where she thought Stiles is right now. She was still seething after Bob from Nye made a comment about him having tons of gfs across the sw area. She responded to that first...then went into this "he is coming after me" routine. (rolls eyes)

[Lilybug1]

This Tina is a piece of work...the whole thing is about how shocked she was and how she could have never known. Okay, maybe she didn't see the videoptape of M being sexuallly assaulted way back in 2004, but to claim you are now shocked is ridiculous. He was already accused of sexual assault before, so this second allegation coming to light would not be a shock! The fact of the matter is that she chose not to believe the first sexual assault allegation, so had there been signs and indicators of his ongoing abuse of M, Tina would have chosen not to notice it. The fact that this woman with can a straight claim to be shocked is ridiculous. I'm sure if it wasn't videotaped, Tina would be standing by her man and stating that M is confused and never happened.

[Shari_Gal]

I just read recently , don't know if this was already posted:

Navy Times article Oct, 2 2007 That says CAS Was Never A Navy Seal::liar: He's a Liar

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/10/navy_suspect_notaseal_071002w/

[SuziQ]

Oh Tina, I hope you like wearing orange...

She has done many interviews, the latest with Larry King.
Now Metro says they want to do some interviews of their own.
They believe she babysat for many children. And since she dated Stiles, they are wondering if there are other victims out there.
As of yet, Allen still has not shown up at Metro.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7159681

[Tom'sGirl]

for some reason I want the FBI to confirm Tina has talked to them because at this point I find her unreliable.

From Ms.Rusty's link..........

Allen says she has already talked to federal agents looking for protection.
Now she wants Metro's help.

But cops say they have not heard from her at all, and they would like some time with her.

In an interview on "Larry King Live" Monday night, Allen told Larry King she was going to Metro for help.

But she still has not shown up and cops want to know where she is.
Allen has traveled across the country talking about her on and off 10 year relationship with Stiles.

She has done many interviews, the latest with Larry King.

Now Metro says they want to do some interviews of their own.
They believe she babysat for many children. And since she dated Stiles, they are wondering if there are other victims out there.
As of yet, Allen still has not shown up at Metro.

[Al_B]

he couldn't even cut it in the Navy! how's that for survival training!

The suspect, Chester Arthur Stiles, 37, spent less than a year in the Navy from 1988 to 1989, but there is no record of him graduating from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training, a Navy spokesman said. Records show Stiles was discharged from the Navy as an engineman fireman recruit.(see above link)

[Jeana (DP)]

Oh Tina, I hope you like wearing orange...

She has done many interviews, the latest with Larry King.
Now Metro says they want to do some interviews of their own.
They believe she babysat for many children. And since she dated Stiles, they are wondering if there are other victims out there.
As of yet, Allen still has not shown up at Metro.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7159681

I'm thinking they have her phone records and have been doing some comparisons.

[angarella]

Gawd, if she has disappeared, I want to go find her myself. Someone give me Dog's phone number. :furious:

[SuziQ]

I'm thinking they have her phone records and have been doing some comparisons.


I am so glad Tina went on the press Junkets. She really hung herself. She may have remained under LE radar if she would have laid low.

[SuziQ]

Gawd, if she has disappeared, I want to go find her myself. Someone give me Dog's phone number. :furious:

I am just as disgusted with her as I am with CAS. I really feel deep down inside that she was a willing participant in all of this. In her own weird way, she must have thought that going on live TV over and over again was her best chance to cry victim, and that everyone would believe it.

[angarella]

I am just as disgusted with her as I am with CAS. I really feel deep down inside that she was a willing participant in all of this. In her own weird way, she must have thought that going on live TV over and over again was her best chance to cry victim, and that everyone would believe it.

So do I now. I think she willingly handed over these poor babies to the :furious: creep. EIther for "love" or money. No wonder poor Todd seems so messed up. I think he seems like a great guy, but one with lots of problems.

[SeriouslySearching]

LE knows exactly where she is. They simply don't want HER to know they are keeping tabs on her.

[SuziQ]

I think he has shown himself to be a stand up guy who is trying to take the presses interest off of teh family and M and her Mom. However he seems to be not interested in what happens to his Mom at this point..See this morning's Today Show interview...I could almost feel him saying Mom what goes around usually comes back around to bite you in the butt.

I also think the same and that Todd wanted to make sure someone told the truth, since his mom is a liar.

[DeltaDawn]

I agree Suzi Q,
I am so happy happy she did these interviews..the whole nation now knows exactly what she is.
Secondly CAS wouldn't even get close to her now...she is out of the pic for him, he's on to new ground...running for his life.
Was this her way of communicating with him to say..look I'm throwing them off? lOOK i'M SAYING NO ONE WOULD KNOW?
What a peice of work she is.....Dog do your thing.

[angela]

I dont believe that Stiles has girlfriends "all over". I think that statement was meant to get a reaction out of Tina and it most certainly did. Perhaps they were trying to make her angry enough to turn on Stiles. They think she knows exactly where he is. So do I.

[SeriouslySearching]

I also think the same and that Todd wanted to make sure someone told the truth, since his mom is a liar. Me, too! I think Todd has done a pretty good job of being honest, but not trashing his mom completely to the public. It seems he has always had to have some loyalty out of obligation to her...but in this case...his loyalty has worn very thin.

[DeltaDawn]

I think that the mother of M is not to blame. The reason is Stephani was her best friend, they live together, she knows Steph's Mom...so why would she suspect that Steph's mom would harm the children..why would she even think anything about Stiles since she didn't know him and probably didn't think he was part and parcel of the babysitting?

I don't think the Tina's kids friends really came into contact with Stiles because Tina's kids didn't like him, they didn't include him in their family photos or parties..so the friends probably weren't as aware of his presence then as you might think.
Also I think Steph had a young child at the same time or soon after..so why would you question your friend's mom babysitting?
Well now I think alot of people will question things like this..but prior, I'd like to think they didn't know Stiles would be there too, then I can see them letting Tina around and babysitting the kids.
Since Patience was only 2 they beleive now, at the time of this occurrence..that means that it was probably prior to the warrant for lewd behavior with the other child.
So they didn't like him..that should have been enough to discourage Tina from having him around her family

[CaliKid]

Oh Tina, I hope you like wearing orange...

She has done many interviews, the latest with Larry King.
Now Metro says they want to do some interviews of their own.
They believe she babysat for many children. And since she dated Stiles, they are wondering if there are other victims out there.
As of yet, Allen still has not shown up at Metro.

http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7159681

Oh yes, she was so afraid of him- liar!

I hope with all my heart there aren't more innocent victims with no memory of what happened to them. LV LE should get Tina into an interrogation room without delay.

[SeriouslySearching]

They don't want her to lawyer up quite yet, Cali.

[Taximom]

I can't catch up till a little later, but I watched a little of TA's interviews and was upset that it was all about her. Me me me. I think she said something about M only when prompted. :( I hate to say it but I think she likes the spotlight. If she can help find him, good. Otherwise it's p*ssing me off.

[Tom'sGirl]

Something I question here...........when Todd was interviewed a few days ago he said he had never seen Stiles be violent, just verbally abusive, manipulative, etc. Then today he says he saw Stiles be abusive to his younger sibling (brother)


Another thing I thought of was obviously there was a video camera in the family, as to which one it belonged to, don't know. In the shots of Stiles, Tina, & Stephani at a picnic it was filmed with a video camera.

[DeltaDawn]

I agree Tom's Girl, but it would be hard to know who owned it..more then Likely either Tina or Stiles..and someone else, maybe Todd, was taking the videos at the picnic.

[Shamrock]

I can't catch up till a little later, but I watched a little of TA's interviews and was upset that it was all about her. Me me me. I think she said something about M only when prompted. :( I hate to say it but I think she likes the spotlight. If she can help find him, good. Otherwise it's p*ssing me off.

I agree, Taximom and it made me sick. Something is wrong with that woman. To be even slightly involved in a case of child molestation and making the entire story about herself.... not right.

[christine2448]

I am trying so hard, but I just cannot keep up peeps!

Eye yi yi!!!!!

[Jaded]

I remember an entry somewhere in his journal where he mentioned he thought he might have an STD like gonorrhea...does anyone remember that? Would that be reason for a medical release?

He said he had chlymadia in his journal entry. I have a bad feeling about Tina's involvement in all this.

[Shamrock]

I am trying so hard, but I just cannot keep up peeps!

Eye yi yi!!!!!

I with ya, sista!!!!

[SieSie]

Siesie...could you please put Barry Gibbs hairdo on him. With sunglasses on top of the head like a headband...or a baseball cap with Navy Seals on it.

Here ya go – with and without the facial hair, too. :D Was working on a ball cap one, but my program crashed. Will get back to it once I'm caught up here. Here's the Barry Gibb hairdo awhile:

http://i20.tinypic.com/15h0p3s.jpg




It would also be nice to see enhanced pictures of him with more weight and less weight. The appearance of someone can be changed dramatically depending on their weight.

I agree – and I can’t believe they don’t have professionals out there doing these kind of computer alterations – where are the possible images of what he might look like now so people can be on the lookout? Are there flyers around Las Vegas and El Cajon, CA and stuff?



SieSie...Great job on the hair adjustments...thank you so much...you are the best.


:wink: :woohoo: SieSie,
GREAT JOB.

Thanks, guys. I really wish I could do this A LOT better, like the specialists who can reconstruct people from skulls and do the age-progression and stuff. They must have incredible software and they definitely have training & skill.