Wanted-Chester Stiles-Video Taped rape of 3 yr old child! NV Thread 5

[Jeana (DP)]

Please continue here.

[dee10134]

www.bellespleasures.com --> Tina's myspace dominatrix friend.

I wonder if SHE resides in Pahrump?

Why does everything appear to go back to Pahrump full circle?.....

[Indy Gal]

Again thanks Jeana. Jaded can you post the website you found. I see nothing strange off the myspace

[Jaded]

http://www.bellespleasure.com

[Indy Gal]

www.bellespleasures.com (http://www.bellespleasures.com) --> Tina's myspace dominatrix friend.

I wonder if SHE resides in Pahrump?

Why does everything appear to go back to Pahrump full circle?.....
am I missing something, when I click on that link it says owner hasnt uploaded anything. How do we know for sure? Not arguing just askin

ETA THANKS Jaded, you link works!

[Indy Gal]

ewwww gross she has photos, who in their right mind would pay this lady for sex....lol...Sorry I couldnt help myself!

[Shamrock]

I'm not clicking on that link because I'm at work. Don't know what the IT guys would think if they knew I was looking at that! :D So Indy, I'm taking your word for it!!

[dee10134]

OKAY! I THINK I HAVE HER NAME!!!

I saw that someone called her "Elaine" on one of the blogs at the myspace.com/bellespleasure site, so I searched for all people named "Elaine" within 20 miles of Pahrump zip code 89041 and I think I found her:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=124495667

There's a pic there that looks VERY similar to the pic of Belle on the Bellespleasure myspace page.

What do ya'll think?

[dee10134]

Hmmm... maybe it's not.
The more I look at her the less they look the same... LOL

and the age is off...

[momtoseven]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but I found it interesting:

"Shelter staff posted Stiles' mug shot on the wall. Reaction to hearing what he was wanted for was extreme. Many of the residents indicated if they found him first, he would be in rough shape by the time Metro was called."

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7160063&nav=15MV

[tnajk@cox.net]

What is the dog's name? I can't find it anywhere.

Re: Chester may have a pregnant dog with him.

[dee10134]

What is the dog's name? I can't find it anywhere.

Re: Chester may have a pregnant dog with him.

"Serenity"

[georgiagirl]

What is the dog's name? I can't find it anywhere.

Re: Chester may have a pregnant dog with him.


Wonder who got the dog pregnant? :confused:

[christine2448]

Wonder who got the dog pregnant? :confused:


I do not know you. Georgiagirl.




Have y'all catched this SOB YET?????

I am so busy...what's UP??

Summary..PULLEEEEZE????

[WhiteWolf]

What is the dog's name? I can't find it anywhere.

Re: Chester may have a pregnant dog with him.



Serenity.

[Indy Gal]

OKAY! I THINK I HAVE HER NAME!!!

I saw that someone called her "Elaine" on one of the blogs at the myspace.com/bellespleasure site, so I searched for all people named "Elaine" within 20 miles of Pahrump zip code 89041 and I think I found her:

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=124495667

There's a pic there that looks VERY similar to the pic of Belle on the Bellespleasure myspace page.

What do ya'll think?
My thought are no

[SuziQ]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but I found it interesting:

"Shelter staff posted Stiles' mug shot on the wall. Reaction to hearing what he was wanted for was extreme. Many of the residents indicated if they found him first, he would be in rough shape by the time Metro was called."

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7160063&nav=15MV

What kind of "survivalist" hangs out at the Salvation Army?

[Indy Gal]

I do not know you. Georgiagirl.




Have y'all catched this SOB YET?????

I am so busy...what's UP??

Summary..PULLEEEEZE????
CHRIS, please check you pm's I sent you an important question last night. Please and thank you

[tnajk@cox.net]

There was an interesting link on bellespleasure myspace page to a "Dog Whisperer". Dogs have thier own myspace. (crazy) Anyway I just thought perhaps Serenity had a webspace too. If she does, it's not listed under her name. ...Or it's been removed

[Indy Gal]

There was an interesting link on bellespleasure myspace page to a "Dog Whisperer". Dogs have thier own myspace. (crazy) Anyway I just thought perhaps Serenity had a webspace too. If she does, it's not listed under her name. ...Or it's been removed
Are you serious, you dont know who Ceasar Milian is?? He is a dog person and my dogs and cat have their own myspaces. I know it is sad...lol

[philamena]

:laugh:What kind of "survivalist" hangs out at the Salvation Army?

bawaaaaa Sorry but that cracked me up.
CAS being a survivalist is as likely as me being one. And that isn't likely attall.

[momtoseven]

What kind of "survivalist" hangs out at the Salvation Army?

The kind that mooches off the goodness of others, apparently.

[philamena]

I do not know you. Georgiagirl.




Have y'all catched this SOB YET?????

I am so busy...what's UP??

Summary..PULLEEEEZE????

Hey Christine.
There 's not too much going on (at least not that we've heard of.)
Tina Allen was caught in a few lies by members who watched and read her interviews.
One of the local NV papers said yesterday that Metro police couldn't reach Tina and they really want to talk to her.

SieSie,
made some great hair changes on CAS on the previous page.

[georgiagirl]

I do not know you. Georgiagirl.




:chicken:

[dee10134]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but I found it interesting:

"Shelter staff posted Stiles' mug shot on the wall. Reaction to hearing what he was wanted for was extreme. Many of the residents indicated if they found him first, he would be in rough shape by the time Metro was called."

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7160063&nav=15MV

Where's he keeping the preggo dog Serenity if he's staying in a shelter....

[christine2448]

:croc: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


:chicken:

[christine2448]

CHRIS, please check you pm's I sent you an important question last night. Please and thank you

Checked and replied Indy. :cool:

[cheko1]

:doh: :doh: :doh:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Wonder who got the dog pregnant? :confused:

[catsmeow]

I keep getting on here in hopes to see that he's been caught and can't believe that he hasn't. He has GOT to be getting help from someone if he has not been caught yet. I hope that LE has gotten warrants for bank and financial records for Tina and those around him to see if withdrawals were made around the time this became public.
I just can't believe this scumbag is still at large. I feel so horrible for this little girl that endured all of this torture and that the only way to get her out of the situation was to have her face plastered nationwide. But it WAS the only way to get her out of it since it seems that noone around her gave a crap and would not have reported it. It's just a heartbreaking story.

[richandfamous]

Franciosa is Belle's last name.

[momtoseven]

Where's he keeping the preggo dog Serenity if he's staying in a shelter....

If I recall correctly, the info that he has the dog with him came from Tina Allen. Not so sure I (or anyone else, for that matter) believe much of what she's saying these days.

[dee10134]

Franciosa is Belle's last name.

I don't know... I think that's a made-up name...

[DeltaDawn]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but I found it interesting:

"Shelter staff posted Stiles' mug shot on the wall. Reaction to hearing what he was wanted for was extreme. Many of the residents indicated if they found him first, he would be in rough shape by the time Metro was called."

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7160063&nav=15MV



If you go to that story below it you can click the reporters blog.
The blog gives more details

In that blog he writes that a security guard at one of the shelters saw CAS recently and he had a fuller beard then what is in the pic..nothing about longer hair or extra weight.

He's maybe cut his hair already...and he is 6' 2" so what could look like extra weight to Tina and Todd might be noticable to someone else.

[dee10134]

Reporters Blog: http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7121402&nav=menu107_1

[DeltaDawn]

How did we get to Belle's myspace..Ican't find her listed on Tina's myspace...I missed something ...help

[dee10134]

How did we get to Belle's myspace..Ican't find her listed on Tina's myspace...I missed something ...help

Click ALL underneath her friends. She's the 10th one which is shown on the ALL page.

[DeltaDawn]

Click ALL underneath her friends. She's the 10th one which is shown on the ALL page.

Thanks Dee I see it now.

Well isn't that lovely ..one of Tina's friends is a madam for a phone sex operation.

That Tina just knows the nicest people in Vegas...I just can't imagine how she hooked up with Stiles??!!

[DeltaDawn]

Click on Marian's picture on Tina's myspace

Then click on My Pictures

AM I seeing right ....does that look like Stephani sitting at a table with a hookah pipe?

[dee10134]

Click on Marian's picture on Tina's myspace

Then click on My Pictures

AM I seeing right ....does that look like Stephani sitting at a table with a hookah pipe?

That is a hookah. Hookah bars are quite common in larger cities. They smoke premium tobacco blends in them.

[DeltaDawn]

gee..I didn't know that...I'm a small town girl myself. I thought they maybe smoked pot in them because of the tin foil lining the hookah.

There I learned something new today.

[dee10134]

gee..I didn't know that...I'm a small town girl myself. I thought they maybe smoked pot in them because of the tin foil lining the hookah.

There I learned something new today.

Well I think they CAN smoke pot in them, but it looks like she's in a bar... and I don't know of any bars that allow pot smoking in them... LOL.

Here's a link to a Hookah Lounge in Vegas: http://www.hookahlounge.com/

[philamena]

Well I think they CAN smoke pot in them, but it looks like she's in a bar... and I don't know of any bars that allow pot smoking in them... LOL.

Here's a link to a Hookah Lounge in Vegas: http://www.hookahlounge.com/

My town has a Hookah Lounge...it's actually in an older, reestablished part of town. No drugs allowed.....only other natural Hookah smoking substances.:crazy:

[Mysticchic]

I had no clue what a hookah bar was

[philamena]

I didn't either until our local newspaper ran an article about them.

[Dryad]

My son is 20 years old and told me Hookah Bars are also a big thing at college...I never even heard of them until then and saw it for myself when I went to visit him. They advertise it outside of the bar, "Hookah Night"...

[Taximom]

OMgosh, phonetically if my son told me he was going to a hookah bar I'd lock him up! lol Must be a fad like oxygen bars.

[CityPea]

Well I think they CAN smoke pot in them, but it looks like she's in a bar... and I don't know of any bars that allow pot smoking in them... LOL.

Here's a link to a Hookah Lounge in Vegas: http://www.hookahlounge.com/

I don't think that's in a bar. I lightened it up and it looks like she's in someone's back yard because you can see a plant of some sort and a sliding glass door behind her. Also, she's sitting in a collapsible camp chair and those are not typical seating in commercial establishments.

[dee10134]

I don't think that's in a bar. I lightened it up and it looks like she's in someone's back yard because you can see a plant of some sort and a sliding glass door behind her. Also, she's sitting in a collapsible camp chair and those are not typical seating in commercial establishments.


I went back and took a second, closer, look at the picture and if you look really close you can see an orange and white swirly bong sitting behind the hookah (or the bong is white with orange flames on it?).... Looks like the entire family are a bunch of winners... :rolleyes:

Here's the link to the image: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=167609272&albumID=0&imageID=3017131

[Indy Gal]

Please I beg of you, let this girl grieve in peace. She IMO had nothing to do with this other than having a who^e of a mom. What she does in her personal life is none of our buisness...IMO

Why are we not trying to find CTM?

[CityPea]

I had to step away from these threads for a short period of time and, when I came back, there was so much new information that I'm having trouble keeping everything straight in my mind. But I do know one thing: The lives of all of these people are just saturated in sex, and I don't think many of them have solid behavioral barriers.

They've all done a little bit of everything, it seems. I'm not saying they're all pedophiles but many, many inhibitions are broken down among the members of this crowd. They seem to regularly cross lines that most people would never dream of crossing. Others may disagree with me but this is just a general sense I get from the whole thing.

[DeltaDawn]

Please I beg of you, let this girl grieve in peace. She IMO had nothing to do with this other than having a who^e of a mom. What she does in her personal life is none of our buisness...IMO

Why are we not trying to find CTM?

We are trying to find Chester through links on the myspaces that are still up...Marion(who had that pic on myspace says she is from VEgas via So Cal

When I look at the myspaces I see that alot of them have some connection to SO Cal.

I think Stephani has a right to her privacy...but if you don't want people to know what you do, you shouldn't put pics on the internet of you doing it.


I agree we need to find CAS..but I would think that there may be some clues by seeing what friends and family do on myspace.

Didn't mean to upset you Indy Gal...please accept my apology.

[DeltaDawn]

Unfortunately for Stiles what happens in Vegas doesn't stay in Vegas.

[Indy Gal]

We are trying to find Chester through links on the myspaces that are still up...Marion(who had that pic on myspace says she is from VEgas via So Cal

When I look at the myspaces I see that alot of them have some connection to SO Cal.

I think Stephani has a right to her privacy...but if you don't want people to know what you do, you shouldn't put pics on the internet of you doing it.


I agree we need to find CAS..but I would think that there may be some clues by seeing what friends and family do on myspace.

Didn't mean to upset you Indy Gal...please accept my apology.
No apology needed, I am just saying 1 she didnt put that photo up, someone else did. 2 I am 99 percent sure we wont find CTM through Steph. I just feel so bad for her. Can anyone imagine what she is feeling right now? I mean she is the reason CTM had a way to m, in a way. She must be devestated. Then what if she does smoke weed and have a party lifestyle. Many people do both and are not child molesters. Again I dont want to make anyone mad I just dont see how this helps. Sorry

[Al_B]

I don't think that's in a bar. I lightened it up and it looks like she's in someone's back yard because you can see a plant of some sort and a sliding glass door behind her. Also, she's sitting in a collapsible camp chair and those are not typical seating in commercial establishments.

I agree it's not a bar there's a bong and a phone on the table it looks like double doors and the glass doors

[DeltaDawn]

I am still looking for a Connection to Susan in PUHRUMP...haven't been able to see anything..she probably goes by a different name anyway.

[DeltaDawn]

Geez these people really are very young and party alot for having young children around. I mean that pic may have been in Tina's backyard for all we know because the way I found Marian was thru Tina's friends on myspace. So hopefully there were no small children in the house while this was going on...and hopefully CAS wasn't in there with them..but I think this tells us alot about the family involved..just like the journals do.

I think this tells how something like this could happen with CAS around..he supplies the drugs, etc, they unknowingly were supplying the kids.

[Shamrock]

I think that looking at the people CTM surrounds himself with (Stephani being one, by association of her mother) gives us more insight into and possibly a road to finding him. She may be innocent in all this but until he is found, everyone in his past and present is fair game, IMO.

[Shamrock]

I really don't think weed has anything to do with anything. A lot of people smoke weed. It doesn't mean they are child molesters, bad people, or are opening their children up to harm (unless they're doing it around the kids, of course).

[Indy Gal]

I really don't think weed has anything to do with anything. A lot of people smoke weed. It doesn't mean they are child molesters, bad people, or are opening their children up to harm (unless they're doing it around the kids, of course).
That is all I was saying Shamrock. How is analyizing this photo help us find him? Thats all didnt me to make anyone mad.

[Al_B]

to me goes to show state of mind,and makes me wonder who is really watching the kids. judgment has to be impaired somewhat with all the party scene's in the photo's. Not that I know how much they party or who their dealer is . As a common courtesy though I always ask before posting someone's photo unless in my immediate family and I have a private myspace and on my flickr no one under 18 is public

[Shamrock]

That is all I was saying Shamrock. How is analyizing this photo help us find him? Thats all didnt me to make anyone mad.

We're in agreement there, Indy!!

[Dryad]

Geez these people really are very young and party alot for having young children around. I mean that pic may have been in Tina's backyard for all we know because the way I found Marian was thru Tina's friends on myspace. So hopefully there were no small children in the house while this was going on...and hopefully CAS wasn't in there with them..but I think this tells us alot about the family involved..just like the journals do.

I think this tells how something like this could happen with CAS around..he supplies the drugs, etc, they unknowingly were supplying the kids.


I have seen more photos of that party. Those party photos with the hookah pipe/bong were at their house, and there were many children there...including M. I saw a photo of Stephani's younger son smoking that pipe with the blue tube and an adult holding it for him. Whether or not there was anything in it, I have no idea. He can't be more than 4 or 5 years old.

I'm just noticing things about their type of lifestyle. So, it just seems like there is alot of "whatever goes" activity. I don't know...I also saw photos of M sleeping, in her pajamas, etc...so I get the impression that she a big part of their family scene.

[dee10134]

Honestly, I think they all were part of the same crew. They all seem to like partying and there's rumor that says Chester was growing pot. Of course these people would hang around him if he could get them pot! I agree, he supplied the pot and they unknowingly supplied the kids...

[Shamrock]

to me goes to show state of mind,and makes me wonder who is really watching the kids. judgment has to be impaired somewhat with all the party scene's in the photo's. Not that I know how much they party or who their dealer is . As a common courtesy though I always ask before posting someone's photo unless in my immediate family and I have a private myspace and on my flickr no one under 18 is public

But how do you know kids were around? Unless I missed a picture of a child sitting next to someone smoking a giant blunt, I don't see how this has any bearing on M's case?? Not trying to be rude, just saying that we're looking for CTM. If his friends smoked some weed one night and have pictures of it... who cares???

[Shamrock]

I have seen more photos of that party. Those party photos with the hookah pipe/bong were at their house, and there were many children there...including M. I saw a photo of Stephani's younger son smoking that pipe with the blue tube and an adult holding it for him. Whether or not there was anything in it, I have no idea. He can't be more than 4 or 5 years old.

I'm just noticing things about their type of lifestyle. So, it just seems like there is alot of "whatever goes" activity. I don't know...I also saw photos of M sleeping, in her pajamas, etc...so I get the impression that she a big part of their family scene.

Where did you see all of these pictures???? Is there a link??

[dee10134]

But how do you know kids were around? Unless I missed a picture of a child sitting next to someone smoking a giant blunt, I don't see how this has any bearing on M's case?? Not trying to be rude, just saying that we're looking for CTM. If his friends smoked some weed one night and have pictures of it... who cares???

If all of the family was gathered at one of these "parties" then it does bear some merit to investigate. Maybe this is how CTM gained access to the 6 year old. Someone said they saw images of M sleeping in her pajamas at one of these parties. Maybe there was a similar situation with the 6 year old after everyone "passed out" for the night...

Besides, this information is in the public domain. Once you put stuff out there like this, you have pretty much given up your right to privacy IMO.

[Al_B]

if you are sitting at home why hire a sitter? they feel they are safe I mean after all they are at home or home of someone they trust

[angarella]

The thing is. Situations like this are reality, if we like it or not. A LOT of adults have parties in their homes. And the children are present. The party may be outside and the children are inside (watching a DVD or sleeping or whatever). But these situations do exist (for both hardcore and softcore party animals). My point, being, if the kids were inside, if an adult/adults get caught up in partying and they assume the kids are safe and happy, how often do you really think that the adults are going to check on them? And who is going to miss an adult that happens to "slip away" for 30 minutes or so.

You can bash me all you want, be these situations do exist. More often than you think.

[Al_B]

The thing is. Situations like this are reality, if we like it or not. A LOT of adults have parties in their homes. And the children are present. The party may be outside and the children are inside (watching a DVD or sleeping or whatever). But these situations do exist (for both hardcore and softcore party animals). My point, being, if the kids were inside, if an adult/adults get caught up in partying and they assume the kids are safe and happy, how often do you really think that the adults are going to check on them? And who is going to miss an adult that happens to "slip away" for 30 minutes or so.

You can bash me all you want, be these situations do exist. More often than you think.
I agree with you .

[angarella]

I agree with you .

Thanks. Looking back on it, I did not think it would make sense to anyone but me.

[Al_B]

well, I get a lot of hell cause I am not like all the parents on the block who let their little kids run the neighbor hood looking out the window isn't good enough for me . I am sheltering my youngest to much but I did that with the girls too and I press charges which has got me death threats

[angarella]

well, I get a lot of hell cause I am not like all the parents on the block who let their little kids run the neighbor hood looking out the window isn't good enough for me . I am sheltering my youngest to much but I did that with the girls too and I press charges which has got me death threats

And IMO, that is a good thing. You can never be too careful with your kids.

[Al_B]

I can't help it when I drive down the road I find my self too young ,too young, where the hell are the parents watching these kids I see them out younger then 4 and want to just go smack these parents don't they watch the news? My older girls get mad at me cause I want location changes called in too their friends don't have to and then I tell them with their height and weight they are in the highest stats for being kidnapped

[CityPea]

As good as everyone here is, I'm sure that the divorce record of a Tina Allen and an Anthony A. Allen has already been found. But I'll mention it here, just in case.

And everyone knows that there's a mobile phone listing for CAS, too, right? It's from 2004 but you never know--it could be valuable information.

[WhiteWolf]

I wonder if the Salvation Army or anyone else thought to send a bulletin with CAS's wanted poster to all SA shelters in Nevada? CAS could be finding short term work with other homeless men to move from place to place.

I wouldn't be suprised if he sold the dog. If Serenity is purebred her puppies would be worth $ to CAS. Any way to get a lead on CAS or who sold him the dog through AKC or maybe UKC registration? A lot of breeders will buy back a bitch they sold especially if she is bred to purebred male.

[TGIRecovered]

well, I get a lot of hell cause I am not like all the parents on the block who let their little kids run the neighbor hood looking out the window isn't good enough for me . I am sheltering my youngest to much but I did that with the girls too and I press charges which has got me death threats

If the people you pressed charges against are such thugs that they would threaten to kill you, pressing charges was obviously the right thing to do. Besides, if someone really wanted to kill you they probably don't want to warn you first. Can you imagine? Hey Al-B! Look out...I'm about to shoot, hit the deck!


Susan

[MistyGirl]

Wow so much info going so fast....I am trying to read and keep up with all the players and I just cant.

Tina - is CS on again od again EX Girl Friend
Stephanie - is Madison's mom & Tina's friend??? Is that right?

[Al_B]

If the people you pressed charges against are such thugs that they would threaten to kill you, pressing charges was obviously the right thing to do. Besides, if someone really wanted to kill you they probably don't want to warn you first. Can you imagine? Hey Al-B! Look out...I'm about to shoot, hit the deck!


Susan

they didn't tell me but it's such a small town it did get back to me lol which is why I couldn't do anything about it because it wsn't said to me directly.(stupid law)
Person I pressed charges on is finally in jail but is only doing 6 mos. for what he did to my daughter just because some sort of age factor thing but it was still wrong and they still blamed me because he wasn't taught any better

[Al_B]

Wow so much info going so fast....I am trying to read and keep up with all the players and I just cant.

Tina - is CS on again od again EX Girl Friend
Stephanie - is Madison's mom & Tina's friend??? Is that right?
tina dated cas and stephani is her daughter m's mom is a friend to tina and stephani

[DeltaDawn]

I think that if you look at what is just the tip of the iceberg..there will be more to come... you can see that the picture painted so far of their lifestyles leads one to beleive that this absolutely could have happened on their watch.
We need to look at the whole picture this paints, each separate part may look like not too much on it's own..but put together it does not look like a healthy environment for small children to live in. Tina's own children don't seem too happy with her or their upbringing by the things that Todd has said and reflects on in his journal.
Tina has friends who are drinking, smoking pot, doing illegal drugs. Into S&m, bondage, and one is even a phone madam., who knows what else her friends do to support themselves.
She vanishes, according to Todd's journal, whenever the going gets tough.
She continues to be in a relationship with a man that is violent, grows and distributes pot, possibly other drugs, her children do not like and her mother will not tolerate being around.
They all seem to be unable to hold a job for vey long. The kids move alot.
The kids grow up and party with their Mom and her friends as well as theirs. They experiment with drugs and alcohol. They have pics on their myspace of these activities. Not too unusual there..however these teens and early 20's have small children to take care of.
They probably feel they care for their children and treat their children better then their Mom treated them...but they are showing the same behaviors in many ways that she did.
All in all it is a family that is very deviant from the norm and they should not be shocked that this happened..
They unwittingly gave Stiles access to just what he needed and he was smart enough to see that he could do this right under their noses and get away with it. Remember we know that M is not the only vic here, there was another little girl who was the daughter of Tina's friend in 2003 who said this happened to her..but they would rather not beleive it then turn in good upstanding citizen CAS. Come on people..this not so hard to imagine happening with the way this family lived. They were not always in the state of mind to see what was in the best interest of their kids.
Stephanie and Todd lead a hard life and they know CAS is a bad guy...hopefully this will help them rethink their lifestyles choices in the future.
Stephanie's comment..I don't even want to know what that man has done..leads you to beleive that she knew this man was capable of anything.

[dee10134]

Wow so much info going so fast....I am trying to read and keep up with all the players and I just cant.

Tina - is CS on again od again EX Girl Friend
Stephanie - is Madison's mom & Tina's friend??? Is that right?

Misty,

Tina is CAS' 10 year "ex-" girlfriend
Stephani is Tina's daughter.
M's mom is Stephani's best friend.
Todd is Tina's son/Stephani's brother and dated M's mom.

Stephani and her kids, M's mom, M, and Todd all lived in the apartment where the assault occurred.

It is presumed that Tina and CAS lived together at Tina's house and were going over to Stephani, Todd, and M's mom's house to babysit the kids.

[Shamrock]

Wow so much info going so fast....I am trying to read and keep up with all the players and I just cant.

Tina - is CS on again od again EX Girl Friend
Stephanie - is Madison's mom & Tina's friend??? Is that right?

Stephani is Tina's daughter. I don't believe we know M's mom's name.

[Shamrock]

Sorry, dee, I posted before I saw your reply.

[dee10134]

Sorry, dee, I posted before I saw your reply.

That's okay! :)

[dee10134]

I wonder if there have been any new developments in the case yet...

Did Metro find Tina and bring her in for questioning like they said?

Some homeless person at the Salvation Army said they saw CAS yesterday (according to the reporter's blog posted I believe on page 2 of this thread) so he has to still be in Vegas somewhere, unless he hit the road. I can't wait until they get him.

I'm actually more anxious for LE to interview Tina and see what she says to them.... LOL

[Tom'sGirl]

Stephani is Tina's daughter. I don't believe we know M's mom's name.

Some here do know 'Ms' mother's name, but until it comes out in the media and is public knowledge, we are not menitoning it here.

[lizzybeth]

I think that if you look at what is just the tip of the iceberg..there will be more to come... you can see that the picture painted so far of their lifestyles leads one to beleive that this absolutely could have happened on their watch.
We need to look at the whole picture this paints, each separate part may look like not too much on it's own..but put together it does not look like a healthy environment for small children to live in. Tina's own children don't seem too happy with her or their upbringing by the things that Todd has said and reflects on in his journal.
Tina has friends who are drinking, smoking pot, doing illegal drugs. Into S&m, bondage, and one is even a phone madam., who knows what else her friends do to support themselves.
She vanishes, according to Todd's journal, whenever the going gets tough.
She continues to be in a relationship with a man that is violent, grows and distributes pot, possibly other drugs, her children do not like and her mother will not tolerate being around.
They all seem to be unable to hold a job for vey long. The kids move alot.
The kids grow up and party with their Mom and her friends as well as theirs. They experiment with drugs and alcohol. They have pics on their myspace of these activities. Not too unusual there..however these teens and early 20's have small children to take care of.
They probably feel they care for their children and treat their children better then their Mom treated them...but they are showing the same behaviors in many ways that she did.
All in all it is a family that is very deviant from the norm and they should not be shocked that this happened..
They unwittingly gave Stiles access to just what he needed and he was smart enough to see that he could do this right under their noses and get away with it. Remember we know that M is not the only vic here, there was another little girl who was the daughter of Tina's friend in 2003 who said this happened to her..but they would rather not beleive it then turn in good upstanding citizen CAS. Come on people..this not so hard to imagine happening with the way this family lived. They were not always in the state of mind to see what was in the best interest of their kids.
Stephanie and Todd lead a hard life and they know CAS is a bad guy...hopefully this will help them rethink their lifestyles choices in the future.
Stephanie's comment..I don't even want to know what that man has done..leads you to beleive that she knew this man was capable of anything.

I agree with all of what you say but I still keep thinking that M's mom must not have had anyone else to turn to. The lawyer (and I guess she could be lying) said she was working six days a week. Yes, I can see how this might happen if she left her daughter in the care of people like this. It makes me even more upset to think they these people were all they (M and her mom) had.

[DeltaDawn]

I agree with all of what you say but I still keep thinking that M's mom must not have had anyone else to turn to. The lawyer (and I guess she could be lying) said she was working six days a week. Yes, I can see how this might happen if she left her daughter in the care of people like this. It makes me even more upset to think they these people were all they (M and her mom) had.


I agree with you about M's Mom..she only had them to depend on, and I think that she probably did work 6 days a week to make ends meet. It is hard for single Moms. I do think that M's Mom probably will sever ties with this family..maybe stay in touch with Stephani and Todd..but I don't see her being around them in the situations they have been in before..as in she and M are no longer living with them. Hopefully this situation has made her rethink her friends and life style choices.

If I were M's Mom I would be be so angry with Tina right now..especially since Tina hasn't even called her, but went on National TV to discuss this...I think that's all, I would be through with this family as friends.

And the truth is Stephanie still has a myspace with pics of M on it that are recent..she hasn't even had the decency to set it to private or remove the pics.

[Tom'sGirl]

I agree with all of what you say but I still keep thinking that M's mom must not have had anyone else to turn to. The lawyer (and I guess she could be lying) said she was working six days a week. Yes, I can see how this might happen if she left her daughter in the care of people like this. It makes me even more upset to think they these people were all they (M and her mom) had.


'M's mom is very much an active friend/part of the Allen family and has been for a very long time. In fact it is my belief that where she works the entire clan, and friends of the clan, go for fun.

Even in one of Todd's more recent blogs before it went private he was venting about 'M's' mom. He had been using her car for a few days while she was out of town and he was 'ticked' that she wanted him to pay for an oil change since he put 200 miles on it while she was gone.

[cheko1]

He had many pix of M on his page also....
I just wish I'd of saved his blog entries!!! #%^*

[Tom'sGirl]

He had many pix of M on his page also....
I just wish I'd of saved his blog entries!!! #%^*
Yes, and the family MS page also has/had photo/s of 'M's' mom!

[itsreenw]

Not sure if this has been shared but the Navy doesn't want to claim the loser...

http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?SP=1&ID=&ZURL=Chet%2BArthur%2BStiles%2Ftrackers%2F3%3FSort% 3Drank&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militarytimes.com%2Fnews%2F20 07%2F10%2Fnavy_suspect_notaseal_071002w%2F

The suspect, Chester Arthur Stiles, 37, spent less than a year in the Navy from 1988 to 1989, but there is no record of him graduating from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training, a Navy spokesman said. Records show Stiles was discharged from the Navy as an engineman fireman recruit.

And Tina Allen might seek police protection. She's afraid Stiles is going to come after her.

[Tom'sGirl]

Not sure if this has been shared but the Navy doesn't want to claim the loser...

http://www.zimbio.com/pilot?SP=1&ID=&ZURL=Chet%2BArthur%2BStiles%2Ftrackers%2F3%3FSort% 3Drank&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.militarytimes.com%2Fnews%2F20 07%2F10%2Fnavy_suspect_notaseal_071002w%2F

The suspect, Chester Arthur Stiles, 37, spent less than a year in the Navy from 1988 to 1989, but there is no record of him graduating from Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL training, a Navy spokesman said. Records show Stiles was discharged from the Navy as an engineman fireman recruit.

Also regarding Stiles,


snip from OC Register:"and was discharged as an E-1 – the lowest pay grade in the military – in 1989. McLellan couldn't release the nature of Stiles' discharge, but it's likely that it was under less-than-honorable conditions.


In other words, not only was this guy not a Navy SEAL; he's not even a bona fide veteran.


"We wish more news organizations would have checked on this," McLellan told me when I called. Unfortunately, once this erroneous information gets out there in the news and on the Internet, it's almost impossible to correct it

[justche]

Does anyone else think it's odd that we all knew he had been spotted at Salvation Army yesterday - but that Metro still hasn't gone there to interview anyone?


I continue to think that the cute detective was a little more determined to find Chester than Metro is

[Tom'sGirl]

Does anyone else think it's odd that we all knew he had been spotted at Salvation Army yesterday - but that Metro still hasn't gone there to interview anyone?

I continue to think that the cute detective was a little more determined to find Chester than Metro is

I believe I did read that they indeed did go there taking his photo along and no one recognized him.

Det. David Boruchowitz, or as you call him the cute dectective :) has a much smaller jurisdiction so he was all over this, but even then, wrong info. had been conveyed to Nye County.

Clark County has the resources available to them that the other smaller counties come to for info anyway.

[justche]

I believe I did read that they indeed did go there taking his photo along and no one recognized him.

Det. David Boruchowitz, or as you call him the cute dectective :) has a much smaller jurisdiction so he was all over this, but even then, wrong info. had been conveyed to Nye County.

Clark County has the resources available to them that the other smaller counties come to for info anyway.
I thought it was a reporter - and at the bottom of the article it mentioned no one from metro had been there.

I just didn't want to look up how to spell Boruchowitz :)

[Tom'sGirl]

I thought it was a reporter - and at the bottom of the article it mentioned no one from metro had been there.


I just didn't want to look up how to spell Boruchowitz :)


Cutie works for most of us, I think he will long be remembered by those posting here for all his hard work on this case. I hope to read more from him regarding Darren Tuck.

[Shari_Gal]

An Interview of Darren Tuck by George Knapp is going to be on KLAS News Las Vegas Channel 8 today::croc:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=7163785

[DeltaDawn]

And what about Darren Tuck..I thought he would be singing a different tune by now..but I quess not..to many old friends already convicted in the burglary ring to start snitching on these people now. But maybe alittle cooperation will buy him a lighter sentence.

[dottierainbow]

I totally agree with you Angarella. Where are role models in these children's life. It's all about let's do whatever feels good. It might feel good for a moment but there are always consequences and others have to suffer. If someone doesn't want their myspace looked @ then they should have it private. I don't hear mods saying we can't look @ others MySpace. We are allowed to have different opinions I believe.
:croc: Ok. Maybe not. I'll put my shades on :cool: and hide in the corner. Anyone have an umbrella?
And IMO, that is a good thing. You can never be too careful with your kids.

[Shari_Gal]

And what about Darren Tuck..I thought he would be singing a different tune by now..but I quess not..to many old friends already convicted in the burglary ring to start snitching on these people now. But maybe alittle cooperation will buy him a lighter sentence.
I think he knows more than he's saying.

[Tom'sGirl]

An Interview of Darren Tuck by George Knapp is going to be on KLAS News Las Vegas Channel 8 today::croc:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=7163785

Thanks SG, will have to jump in the tub now so I don't miss it!

I noticed they are spelling his first name wrong..............gee, they spelled it right in the other posts.

[Shari_Gal]

You're welcome.

[DawnTCB]

I think I am all caught up... did you guys see that Todd posted a message for Dog yesterday?

Dog the Bounty Hunter's MySpace (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=506595&type=friendForum&friendID=97621058&MyToken=49615369-1dff-4b33-9fca-85b250b444b0)


Dawn

[dkitty]

I think I am all caught up... did you guys see that Todd posted a message for Dog yesterday?

Dog the Bounty Hunter's MySpace (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=506595&type=friendForum&friendID=97621058&MyToken=49615369-1dff-4b33-9fca-85b250b444b0)


Dawn

Wow, thanks!!

[DeltaDawn]

Thanks DawnTCB...I HADN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE..VERY INTERESTING

[SewingDeb]

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7121402&nav=menu107_1

10-02-07 - Still on the trail of Chester Arthur Stiles

[DeltaDawn]

Does anyone have a link to Tony and tina Allen's divorce paperwork?
You can PM if you don't want to post it here.

[CaliKid]

I totally agree with you Angarella. Where are role models in these children's life. It's all about let's do whatever feels good. It might feel good for a moment but there are always consequences and others have to suffer. If someone doesn't want their myspace looked @ then they should have it private. I don't hear mods saying we can't look @ others MySpace. We are allowed to have different opinions I believe.
:croc: Ok. Maybe not. I'll put my shades on :cool: and hide in the corner. Anyone have an umbrella?

I don't think 'role model' is a part a lot of parents play in their children's lives anymore. They're so busy living their own lives and think it's more important to be 'friends'. Then when the child turns into a teenager and starts having problems, they have absolutely no control and no say in what's going on.

[philamena]

Please I beg of you, let this girl grieve in peace. She IMO had nothing to do with this other than having a who^e of a mom. What she does in her personal life is none of our buisness...IMO

Why are we not trying to find CTM?
Hey Indy Gal.
Question for you...what girl are you talking about honey, I think I got lost?
I thought the girl at the Hookah Lounge was Stephanie....am I mistaken?

[Indy Gal]

Hey Indy Gal.
Question for you...what girl are you talking about honey, I think I got lost?
I thought the girl at the Hookah Lounge was Stephanie....am I mistaken?
That who I am speaking of, Steph. But that is JMO!

[philamena]

They've all done a little bit of everything, it seems. I'm not saying they're all pedophiles but many, many inhibitions are broken down among the members of this crowd. They seem to regularly cross lines that most people would never dream of crossing. Others may disagree with me but this is just a general sense I get from the whole thing.

Agree 100%

[SieSie]

I had no clue what a hookah bar was
I've never even heard the word "hookah" before! :doh:

ETA: Why isn't this scumbag caught yet?! Do we have any members around Las Vegas who can tell us if there are Wanted Posters around town with his image?? Argh, so frustrating to not be able to help more.

[angarella]

I've never even heard the word "hookah" before! :doh:

ETA: Why isn't this scumbag caught yet?! Do we have any members around Las Vegas who can tell us if there are Wanted Posters around town with his image?? Argh, so frustrating to not be able to help more.

It sure is frustrating! Every time that I sign on, I keep waiting to see the news that he has been captured. :(

[philamena]

The thing is. Situations like this are reality, if we like it or not. A LOT of adults have parties in their homes. And the children are present. The party may be outside and the children are inside (watching a .....

Sing it sista. :clap:
You got it right angarella. That is how it is in many households.

[philamena]

That who I am speaking of, Steph. But that is JMO!
Gotcha! :blushing:
I'll give you my opinion about why it's ok to discuss the Allen's. First of all, Tina dated the scumbag S. Secondly, Tina brought him into M's life. And you're right, this actually has nothing to do with CAS being captured but IMO it's ok for us to discuss the so called inner circle of M because the entire Allen family was around her when this brutal rape happened. Thirdly, with that being said the type of people the Allen's and M's mom hung around were things that AFFECTED M.
Besides this whole group put their life out there on the WWW when they got myspace pages. If they didn't want people knowing their chit they shouldn't have posted it on the internet.:doh: BUT IMO that's exactly what they wanted...attention. Attention about their sex lives, their partying, etc.

[Tom'sGirl]

Gotcha! :blushing:
I'll give you my opinion about why it's ok to discuss the Allen's. First of all Tina dated the scumbag S. Secondly Tine brought him into M's life. And you're right, this actually has nothing to do with CAS being captured but IMO it's ok for us to discuss the so called inner circle of M because the entire Allen family was around her when this brutal rape happened. Thirdly with that being said the type of people the Allen's and M's mom hung around were things that AFFECTED M.
Besides this whole group put their life out there on the WWW when they got myspace pages.

I agree with you philamena, as I'm sure many others here do also.

Just googling alone turns up all kinds of info. in the cashed pages, and some are very weird.............Todd/Strykarian himself went on Nat' TV twice, and now posting elsewhere.

[philamena]

I think I am all caught up... did you guys see that Todd posted a message for Dog yesterday?

Dog the Bounty Hunter's MySpace (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=506595&type=friendForum&friendID=97621058&MyToken=49615369-1dff-4b33-9fca-85b250b444b0)


Dawn

Who's myspace page is that? TIA
It doesn't seem to be Todd's or Dogs;

[philamena]

I agree with you philamena, as I'm sure many others here do also.
.....

Thanks Tom'sGirl. ;)

[SeriouslySearching]

The message for Dog is very interesting. So was the post from someone named Christy from TX. Wonder what kind of pain he has caused a 31yo woman?

Of course, she could be some flake that is lying and trying to gain some attention. They come out by the dozens in high profile cases. Hard to decifer the difference in this case...as it seems so many flakes are actively involved to begin with.

[Tom'sGirl]

Who's myspace page is that? TIA
It doesn't seem to be Todd's or Dogs;

It's apparently is from Monica Rose's page ???, she seems to be a big fan/"Dog Groupie"

Wondering why with Todd being online so much he didn't just click on her page photo and post to the link she has there for Duane aka "Dog" site? So far haven't seen that he's posted anything there.

[philamena]

I decided to do a little reading on Tina and Todd's myspace page. This is the message I recieved minutes ago:
This profile is undergoing routine maintenance. We apologize for the inconvenience!

[philamena]

It's apparently is from Monica Rose's page ???, she seems to be a big fan/"Dog Groupie" ....

Thanks Tom'sGirl.

[Tom'sGirl]

I decided to do a little reading on Tina and Todd's myspace page. This is the message I recieved minutes ago:

Same message given for the Christy in TX who posted, hmmm

[Indy Gal]

I decided to do a little reading on Tina and Todd's myspace page. This is the message I recieved minutes ago:
That happens a lot on myspace. It is routine on mine at least.

[Dryad]

The message for Dog is very interesting. So was the post from someone named Christy from TX. Wonder what kind of pain he has caused a 31yo woman?

Of course, she could be some flake that is lying and trying to gain some attention. They come out by the dozens in high profile cases. Hard to decifer the difference in this case...as it seems so many flakes are actively involved to begin with.

Well, he does have a history back in Texas. I read somewhere earlier this week on a forum where a girl wrote that her best friend from Texas had CAS as her step-dad when she was younger and in her words "he was creepy as hell"....

[CaliKid]

Well, he does have a history back in Texas. I read somewhere earlier this week on a forum where a girl wrote that her best friend from Texas had CAS as her step-dad when she was younger and in her words "he was creepy as hell"....

Creepy as hell... I wonder if he molested her too.

[DeltaDawn]

Well, he does have a history back in Texas. I read somewhere earlier this week on a forum where a girl wrote that her best friend from Texas had CAS as her step-dad when she was younger and in her words "he was creepy as hell"....


I read that too, earlier this week. Just couldn't tell if it pertained to this CAS or another.

[DeltaDawn]

As Beth, Dog the Bounty Hunter's wife, tells him..We ain't dealing with Sunday School teachers here.

[LMax]

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7166137
A Salvation Army security guard called Metro about a half hour after we spoke to him Wednesday, claiming that Chester Stiles was trying to check into the shelter.
A group of men chased that man but lost him. Metro says they're not sure if it was a valid sighting, but is following up on all leads.

[concernedperson]

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7166137
A Salvation Army security guard called Metro about a half hour after we spoke to him Wednesday, claiming that Chester Stiles was trying to check into the shelter.
A group of men chased that man but lost him. Metro says they're not sure if it was a valid sighting, but is following up on all leads.

I bet that is a valid sighting and he could be still in the area. He can't have any money to go far with his mug plastered everywhere so he probably thinks he can filter in with the underground folks easier.

[DeltaDawn]

Thank you LMAX..that was a very interesting article..especially the storm drain part.

I wonder where Tina is hiding out if police can't locate her...but then again maybe they aren't trying too hard ..because I would think they have someone tailing her right now. I bet she leads them right to CAS without even knowing it.

[philamena]

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7165546

Metro police say they are receiving a huge number of viable tips to find Chester Stiles, the man accused of taping himself raping a very young girl. This is the fifth day he has been on the run since being named a suspect. The newest way can be seen from along the highways.
You will start to see Chester Stiles' face on billboards. It's the latest way police want to add pressure. His face has been plastered on television, it's on the Internet -- now Crime Stoppers added it to 15 digital billboards around Las Vegas.

[Shamrock]

As for the Salvation Army sighting, I'm sure there will be many false sightings. That happens in high profile cases like these. Not saying it was for sure false, but it very well could have been. Just an honest mistake maybe.

[CaliKid]

Yes, with the whole nation looking for him, many will think they see him and really not. While he has unforgettable ears, his face is kind of ordinary.

[DeltaDawn]

I'm glad to hear they have his face on billboards. That should help too.

[Tom'sGirl]

As for the Salvation Army sighting, I'm sure there will be many false sightings. That happens in high profile cases like these. Not saying it was for sure false, but it very well could have been. Just an honest mistake maybe.[/quote]

You're right, it probably was. It seems more like Stiles would be holed up somewhere with one of his drug buddies.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm glad to hear they have his face on billboards. That should help too.

Yeah, but lets hope they put up updated ones, the one they keep posting is from 1999.............I don't recognize myself sometimes from looking at a 8 year old photo :(

[SuziQ]

http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7166137
A Salvation Army security guard called Metro about a half hour after we spoke to him Wednesday, claiming that Chester Stiles was trying to check into the shelter.
A group of men chased that man but lost him. Metro says they're not sure if it was a valid sighting, but is following up on all leads.

Omg, I hope this wasn't some innocent guy who's now scratching his head wondering, WTF did I do?!!!

[Tom'sGirl]

Omg, I hope this wasn't some innocent guy who's now scratching his head wondering, WTF did I do?!!!

Thanks SQ, that gave me a good laugh :D

[DawnTCB]

Who's myspace page is that? TIA
It doesn't seem to be Todd's or Dogs;

I think it is from the "official" Dog site, isn't it? If you click on the "Profile" link at the top left, it takes you to the main profile. He has a forum, clips from the show...

Maybe I don't understand enough about myspace yet but I am pretty sure this isn't a fake site... Monica Rose is just the poster of that particular topic.

[cheko1]

Yes, and the family MS page also has/had photo/s of 'M's' mom!

Thanks Tom'sGirl! I had to of seen her then.......

[cheko1]

Gotcha! :blushing:
I'll give you my opinion about why it's ok to discuss the Allen's. First of all, Tina dated the scumbag S. Secondly, Tina brought him into M's life. And you're right, this actually has nothing to do with CAS being captured but IMO it's ok for us to discuss the so called inner circle of M because the entire Allen family was around her when this brutal rape happened. Thirdly, with that being said the type of people the Allen's and M's mom hung around were things that AFFECTED M.
Besides this whole group put their life out there on the WWW when they got myspace pages. If they didn't want people knowing their chit they shouldn't have posted it on the internet.:doh: BUT IMO that's exactly what they wanted...attention. Attention about their sex lives, their partying, etc.

I totally agree with you philamena!

[Shamrock]

Yes, with the whole nation looking for him, many will think they see him and really not. While he has unforgettable ears, his face is kind of ordinary.

Teeeheheheheee!! (I'm so immature)

[Shamrock]

You're right, it probably was. It seems more like Stiles would be holed up somewhere with one of his drug buddies.

That's what I was thinking. I don't see him at the Salvation Army... but you just never know with these freaks.

[cheko1]

The drug buddies better be careful LE is out to get anyone who is involved with CAS.

Even the people who go to the Salvation Army don't want any part of him.

[Shari_Gal]

:razz:Teeeheheheheee!! (I'm so immature)

This was posted at Google Groups alt.true-crime re: CAS freakish ears:

> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 18:15:47 GMT, '''''''
> <''''''... (http://groups.google.com/groups/unlock?msg=941e1b2275e66363&_done=/group/alt.true-crime/browse_thread/thread/6bb0818ea6584028/3748a2325fe973ab%3Flnk%3Draot)@.net> wrote:
>>as well as those odd ears.

> what the hell?

> I *hope* someone distorted that photo coz those ears are FREAKISH

> d~
> --
> www.fibermonkey.blogspot.com (http://www.fibermonkey.blogspot.com/)

Yeah, they are....and some psychologists believe those ears are a
sign of mental disease. One of the young boys who killed kids in
his school a few years ago, had that type of ear and it was brought
up by his defense during the trial. Andrew Wurst, Kip Kinkel....or?
I can't remember the name of the shooter, but the ears were
obvious.
Maybe someone else can remember, from this list?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_related_attacks

[philamena]

I think it is from the "official" Dog site, isn't it? If you click on the "Profile" link at the top left, it takes you to the main profile. He has a forum, clips from the show...

Maybe I don't understand enough about myspace yet but I am pretty sure this isn't a fake site... Monica Rose is just the poster of that particular topic.
Thanks hon,
I don't 'do' myspace either so it's confusing to me. Thanks for the explanation.

cheko1,
Hi and thanks.

[cheko1]

I got a phone call from a friend & she asked me if I'd watched Bill O'Reilley tonight......I refuse to! He makes me ill!

She said, there was an interview on Fox this evening. Apparently, M's Mom DID see evidence of "something going on down there" but thought "M" had a "yeast infection."

She also swore she heard she had a bandage on her arm to cover a bruise.

Just wondered if anyone else heard it? Think most everyone here feels the same as I do about BOR.......Sounds like someone is beginning to talk or is more of Tina's lies???

[philamena]

omg!! A YEAST INFECTION....:banghead:
I'd forgotten that they're so common in toddlers. :hand:
That comment alone tells me all I need to know about M's mother. Too bad little M didn't have someone around her then that had brains and common sense and who put her before anything else.:doh:

I'm sorry but innocent little M was surrounded by idiots.
I raised 2 girls of my own and helped raise my neice and none of them had yeast infections. Yes I know about too much soap and no bubble bath, etc.

Tell you what else makes me furious is the fact that little M looked like she suffered a bloody nose, her lips looked swollen and she probably was bruised, bleeding and in pain. WHAT a bunch of bafoons. They should all be charged.:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar:behindbar

[Jaded]

OMG A YEAST INFECTION....
that's right...they're so common in toddlers. That comment lone tells me all I need to know about M's mother. Too bad M didn't have someone around her then that had a brain and put her before anything else.

I'm sorry but innocent little M was surrounded by idiots.
I raised 2 girls of my own and helped raise my neice and none of them had yeast infections.

I agree with you philamena. If she thought it was a yeast infection, did she take her to the doctor? Obviously NOT or they would have realized sooner that something was going on. I am just going to be sick. I know that as more comes out, we're all going to be here spitting nails.

[philamena]

omg Jaded, I know.
I'll try to catch the repeat of OReilly. Those comments make me sick.

[Tom'sGirl]

omgq!! A YEAST INFECTION....:banghead:
I'd forgotten that they're so common in toddlers. :hand:
That comment lone tells me all I need to know about M's mother. Too bad little M didn't have someone around her then that had brains and common sense and who put her before anything else.:doh:

I'm sorry but innocent little M was surrounded by idiots.
I raised 2 girls of my own and helped raise my neice and none of them had yeast infections. Yes I know about too much soap and no bubble bath, etc.
I about crapped on knowing that also, then looked it up and it's not uncommon I guess, but the question is did she take "M' to the doctor?..........guess not, just thought it was :doh:

http://ezinearticles.com/?Dont-Confuse-Your-Babys-Yeast-Infections-With-Diaper-Rash&id=487184

Hell our family had all girls including myself and none of them ever had a Yeast Infection.

[Tom'sGirl]

omg Jaded, I know.
I'll try to catch the repeat of OReilly. Those comments make me sick.
Oh I hope you will catch it philamena, I don't have cable anymore. Was it an interview with the mother, or someone else I'm wondering?

[philamena]

Honey I bet her mom ignored it because if she'd taken her to the doctor that fact would have been reported tonight too, imo.

[philamena]

Oh I hope you will catch it philamena, I don't have cable anymore. Was it an interview with the mother, or someone else I'm wondering?

I don't know Tom'sGirl but I will find out--hopefully. I'm searching the Fox News and Friends site now.

[Jaded]

Honey I bet her mom ignored it because if she'd taken her to the doctor that fact would have been reported tonight too, imo.

This poor child was surrounded by imbeciles.

[cheko1]

This was my thoughts exactly. Why wasn't she taken to the Dr?

I've got bad vibes about this case........how many more people put this baby at risk & totally failed her?

[Dryad]

New interview on America's Most Wanted with Talking Tina...someone pulled her string. She's all wound up in this one. Why do I get the feeling that she likes this attention a little too much? Once again, all about HER! Maybe she should nominate herself for that Academy Award?

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=49286

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the video...It says "Tina Allen On Chester Stiles" (no pun intended). It's the last video in the set.

[cheko1]

Thanks for the link Dryad.

Wonder why she never stated before he had shaved off his moustache?

After that interview she better go back under the rock she climbed out of. Being with this monster for 10 yrs & wanting everyone to think he was such a role model for her kids. She trusted him to be around the kids she babysit for & he broke the door down?
This lady ( term used lightly) needs help ASAP.

[cheko1]

Does anyone know what type of work "M"' mom did?

[Tom'sGirl]

New interview on America's Most Wanted with Talking Tina...someone pulled her string. She's all wound up in this one. Why do I get the feeling that she likes this attention a little too much? Once again, all about HER! Maybe she should nominate herself for that Academy Award?

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=49286

Scroll down to the bottom of the page for the video...It says "Tina Allen On Chester Stiles" (no pun intended). It's the last video in the set.

WoW, when was that taped? Her mouth was sure running.

She mentions the old Buick, but said he was driving a truck last time she saw him.

Then she mentions all his acts against her and her family, then the other day she says he came by for a friendly chat.

This woman is a mental case, and now I question even more a lot of the things Todd never mentioned in his interview either :(

[Busylady]

In one of those interviews she states the assault charge with the gun was involving her stephi who was 16 and her boyfriend - yet she continued to see him? I just don't get this I really don't.

[Tom'sGirl]

In one of those interviews she states the assault charge with the gun was involving her stephi who was 16 and her boyfriend - yet she continued to see him? I just don't get this I really don't.

The family MySpace page sure has the right song for that crew!

[Busylady]

So no way to believe if the 1996 White Buick with red interior is an accurate vehicle description.

[teedie2]

If the family myspace page is still up, could someone please share the link (again).

tia

[Tom'sGirl]

If the family myspace page is still up, could someone please share the link (again).

tia
It's over at the Photo link, no activity since last month, but all the photos are there!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1712211&postcount=22

[Busylady]

Plus she goes into great detail about the grill being cracked and the hubcaps and which ones were missing etc. I don't know if I would notice all those things if I had just seen the vehicle once. Maybe im just not a car person.

[Tom'sGirl]

Plus she goes into great detail about the grill being cracked and the hubcaps and which ones were missing etc. I don't know if I would notice all those things if I had just seen the vehicle once. Maybe im just not a car person.

She probably rode in that heap enough to remember I bet!

[teedie2]

It's over at the Photo link, no activity since last month, but all the photos are there!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1712211&postcount=22


:doh: :doh: Oh, for Pete's sake! Why don't I think before I ask? :D

Thanks Tom'sGirl.

[Busylady]

But if its a "new" vehicle and he just came by to show it to her, then she shouldn't have been riding in it. Im just wondering if she is giving alot of misleading information to the authorities.

[Tom'sGirl]

But if its a "new" vehicle and he just came by to show it to her, then she shouldn't have been riding in it. Im just wondering if she is giving alot of misleading information to the authorities.

I think that video on AMW was taped at the beginning of the investigation before she made her other 'debuts'

[dimples37398]

Yeah the vehicle description, I thought she said a truck and also in an interview with Todd, he said a truck as well. I think she is gonna end up messing up talking so much. I sure wish she would do an interview with nancy grace or greta, maybe she knows better though......lol.

Kel

[Tom'sGirl]

Yeah the vehicle description, I thought she said a truck and also in an interview with Todd, he said a truck as well. I think she is gonna end up messing up talking so much. I sure wish she would do an interview with nancy grace or greta, maybe she knows better though......lol.

Kel

And neither one of them mentioned in their latest interviews his hair hair had grayed behind his ears or his dumb 'Dick Tracy' mustache being gone.

[Mygirlsadie]

I really wonder what is going on right now behind closes doors with LE..They probably know so much that we don't know and they are just letting Tina 'talk' her way right into their jails errr umm I mean arms...!! :p I wonder if they have her phones bugged her accounts being tracked? Her car being followed...someone somewhere is helping out Stiles.

[CaliKid]

I think the reason Tina isn't in jail is because LE expects her to lead them to him.

[Tom'sGirl]

I really wonder what is going on right now behind closes doors with LE..They probably know so much that we don't know and they are just letting Tina 'talk' her way right into their jails errr umm I mean arms...!! :p I wonder if they have her phones bugged her accounts being tracked? Her car being followed...someone somewhere is helping out Stiles.

Clark County is definately going to keep things close to their vest. Releasing wrong info.,. or premature info. could cause a problem down the line in court.

Look what happend in Nye County/Pahrump, Sheriff DeMeo and Det. Boruchowitz are being raked over the coals by Tuck's attorney due to all the info. they gave in interviews.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think the reason Tina isn't in jail is because LE expects her to lead them to him.

Well at this point what charges could they use to arrest her legally?

O/T
You can tell you and I are on the same time zone, we're the only ones still posting here :D I'm heading in to watch the tube, already missed Leno or Letterman :(

[itsreenw]

Hey I'm here too. I'm also from Cali "916"

[dottierainbow]

Itsreenw,
Good morning! I thought I was the only one who got up so early.
Yes, I just watched the melodramatic tape, ( Tina does not deserve an Academy Award) but I also believe she is a Tweaker. As for what everyone else knew or not knew, I also heard on O'Reilly, where the mom did noticed a yeast infection. I also heard there was a bandage on "M" arm but don't know what time period that was. He said that when M's mom or the other adults who had children had to work that they would have whoever was available @ that time to watch the kids would do so.
Children are so much neglected because of some adult's lifestyles.

[Mygirlsadie]

I will have to go back and find the link but I did read where M's mom said she noticed bruising and dishcharge but did NOT take M to the doctor for it...

[dottierainbow]

I think the Detective spoke too soon in that the mother did not know and she is in a safe environment. I believe he did a good job though in finding the child. I'm not bashing him but I think the family needs to be investigated.

[mysteriew]

I think the Detective spoke too soon in that the mother did not know and she is in a safe environment. I believe he did a good job though in finding the child. I'm not bashing him but I think the family needs to be investigated.

Just because they didn't announce anything in the initial interviews doesn't mean that it is over. From what I read after they found Patience, Mom passed the first test with LE. But that that didn't mean that they were finished checking it out. But unless/until they found something they were treating her as a victim/mother of victim. And that is really what is best for Patience at this time. Patience just had a bad part of her history resurrected, she needs Mom calm. LE also needs Mom calm so she would be open and they could judge her reactions in interviews.

On the other hand I have seen too many reports of young kids (boys and girls) being raped where the parents didn't know. Kids have hidden underwear, hidden pain and did a lot to hide the abuse. Sometimes the child doesn't have the words to tell what happened to them. Sometimes the perp offers excuses (they fell astraddle) or the child is threatened in such a way that they will hide it. Also little girls do get yeast infections. My child did and it scared me to death. She said no one touched her, but I am the type of Mom who took her and had her checked anyway. But some Mom's do take yeast infections for granted.

So I am keeping an open mind at this point, and I feel pretty certain that LE is not done looking at Mommy. They aren't naive and won't take things at face value.

[Taximom]

I will have to go back and find the link but I did read where M's mom said she noticed bruising and dishcharge but did NOT take M to the doctor for it...

I heard the male reporter from AMW say this to Bill O'Reilly. She thought she had a yeast infection.

:(

[Al_B]

Well at this point what charges could they use to arrest her legally?

O/T
You can tell you and I are on the same time zone, we're the only ones still posting here :D I'm heading in to watch the tube, already missed Leno or Letterman :(
well, depending on their local laws hindering prosecution from the earlier case,aiding and abetting and I am sure there are a few more I would have to look at their statues but I am guessing there are a few whether she believed him or not there was a warrant
and as far as it goes they could all be busted for not turning him in they've all seen him since the one warrant was issued

[Indy Gal]

http://lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7163785

I-Team: Exclusive Interview with Darrin Tuck

sorry if already poted.

[Al_B]

oh and as far m's mom goes she probably went to stephani and stephani to her mom for advice about m's condition not excusing anyone but I am guessing that might have been what happened and tina mislead her
How old is m's mom if she is Stephani's best friend I am guessing about 24 or so and making her young when M was born which might be why she doesn't have her only family support or something it's dumb but it still happens

[angarella]

I too, find the comment from Christie in TX (on the "Dog" MySpace) very interesting. She obviously knows who CAS is and he has obviously inflicted pain on her or someone in her family. God knows how many people, in how many states, this guy has hurt. :(

[angarella]

oh and as far m's mom goes she probably went to stephani and stephani to her mom for advice about m's condition not excusing anyone but I am guessing that might have been what happened and tina mislead her
How old is m's mom if she is Stephani's best friend I am guessing about 24 or so and making her young when M was born which might be why she doesn't have her only family support or something it's dumb but it still happens


That is what I was thinking too. She (M's mom) did notice something and got advice from (probably Tina IMO) and they told her, oh that is just a yeast infection, just put some cream on it. :banghead:

I am still giving M's mom the benefit of the doubt at this time.

[Beffie]

I was so hoping that when I came here this morning lover boy (as Tina says in her interview with AMW he was a great lover) and his trusty sidekick (Tina) were under arrest.

About the bandage that Ms mom said was on Ms arm. Do you think it could of been to cover up a needle mark? I still think M looks out of it in those pictures.

Gotta go clean the house. Hopefully they will be arrested when I get done and come back on.

Edited to add my kids all had yeast infections when they were babies. It was usually when they were on a antibiotic and still in diapers and the antibiotic gave them diarrhea and I couldn't get the diapers changed fast enough. I would have to get the athlete foot stuff from the store and use that to clear it up. However the yeast infection was not (sorry for being so graphic) inside it was all over their bottom and outside the where the diarrhea touched their skin. I wonder if M was still in diapers at the time of the attack.

[Al_B]

I am hoping at this point the do take the baby to the Dr.s and make sure it was just a yeast infection. Her being so young I am doubting they are checking there for anything else. I know those exams are tramatic but I would want to make sure it's nothing more serious and I would be getting her AIDs tested as well. He is a grown man who subjected that child to alot and exposed her to all sorts of things by doing what he did.

As I tell my kids getting pregnant is the least of your problems and sex can kill you!

[dkitty]

Praying he is caught today!!!

[dkitty]

I wonder, who is M's dad....?

[lizzybeth]

I'm not sure about the mother either. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt though. My daughter had a yeast infection, I guess she was around two or three. I did take her the doctor and we went over different things that might have caused it and she decided that it was that we had been to the beach the week before. My daughter had a ton of sand in her bathing suit bottom when I bathed her that day. I guess I didn't get all of it out and she became irritated. I took the Dr's word for it. I have no idea if it could have actually been that. Even though it doesn't say M's mom took her to the doctor I do believe if Tina had given her a reason for it she would have believed her.

[lizzybeth]

Snipped:



As I tell my kids getting pregnant is the least of your problems and sex can kill you!


I have a twenty-one yr. old son and a seventeen yr. old daughter and I've been telling them the same thing for years.

[dottierainbow]

This has me very troubled. This was a grown man and this was a toddler. There had to have been trauma. I'm remembering that we were told it was extreme abuse. She was not molested but raped.

[MsPooh]

If I remember correctly, when mine were babies...one was diagnosed with a yeast infection and it looked like mosquito bites on the outside of the diaper area, red bumps and whatever....and I am about to jump on the band wagong of WTH was her mother thinking here? I do not give kudos when it comes to "oh she was so young she probably has no family support"..I had my first baby when I had just turned 18 and our pediatrician wound up telling me to stop being a "hypochondriac" (for my child) because we were there with every sniffle or prolonged cry. I had absolutely noone but myself and hubby to depend on. There's no way in he!* she didn't know what was going on..but I highly doubt that LE is going to come right out and give their opinion on Mom's guilt, we have an awesome team of LE working on this, and they know exactly what needs to be done and what pace this case needs to be taken at. I would much rather all I's are dotted and T's crossed before they jump the gun.

[lizzybeth]

After reading Todd's journal entry where he says that a friend has told him something that he can't talk about, something troubling. I can't remember his exact words. Maybe M's mom did find out about the abuse and she was upset (of course) and told Todd about it. Maybe she decided at that time not to press charges (for whatever reason). Maybe she knew that M had been molested but didn't know that it had been videotaped. That's why all the tears when the police showed her the stills.

We'll never know unless LE decides to make it public. What matters the most is finding CAS so he is never able to do this to another child.

[dee10134]

As for the Salvation Army sighting, I'm sure there will be many false sightings. That happens in high profile cases like these. Not saying it was for sure false, but it very well could have been. Just an honest mistake maybe.

They said it was when he was checking in. I am not 100% sure of the Salvation Army's check in procedures, but don't they have to give a name to check in?

[dee10134]

Omg, I hope this wasn't some innocent guy who's now scratching his head wondering, WTF did I do?!!!

If this was an INNOCENT guy, then why did he run?!

[dee10134]

omg!! A YEAST INFECTION....:banghead:
I'd forgotten that they're so common in toddlers. :hand:
That comment alone tells me all I need to know about M's mother. Too bad little M didn't have someone around her then that had brains and common sense and who put her before anything else.:doh:
(snip)

Children CAN and DO get yeast infections in various forms. Although I must admit that a vaginal yeast infection in a 2 year old is probably rare, kids do get yeast in their mouths, called thrush. Maybe "M's" mom thought she had thrush and by touching her mouth then wiping her privates or whatever she accidentally gave it to her or "M" gave it to herself?

I mean, we are talking about a first time mother here. I don't think "M" has older siblings. I can relate to being a first time mom. For the first 2 years, I completely "winged it." LOL

[dee10134]

I agree with you philamena. If she thought it was a yeast infection, did she take her to the doctor? Obviously NOT or they would have realized sooner that something was going on. I am just going to be sick. I know that as more comes out, we're all going to be here spitting nails.

I completely agree. If my daughter, at 2 years of age, had something that resembled a yeast infection, I would haul her butt to the doc before you could even SAY "yeast infection."

[lizzybeth]

I was a hypochodriac with my kids too. I wonder though if I didn't have health insurance and not much money if I would have taken them as often as I did. I suppose there are free clinics.

[dee10134]

Well at this point what charges could they use to arrest her legally?

(snip)

Aiding and abetting a fugitive of the law from the arrest warrant issued in 2004 for the assault of the 6 year old.

[Linda7NJ]

Thank you LMAX..that was a very interesting article..especially the storm drain part.

I wonder where Tina is hiding out if police can't locate her...but then again maybe they aren't trying too hard ..because I would think they have someone tailing her right now. I bet she leads them right to CAS without even knowing it.

Perhaps they know exactly where she is and only want HER to think she can't be located. I bet she's being watched. Perhaps they are hoping she will lead them straight to the POS

[SewingDeb]

The AMW interview with Tina was very revealing. It really struck me that she took her children along on their first date!

[MsPooh]

There is always Medicaid and State health insurance programs..or good old fashioned paying the doctor bill..luckily my hubby was in the Army when mine were babies, the healthcare then was free ...but I think that a trauma of this magnitude (would have to have been) would warrant a trip to the doc no matter what.

[Mygirlsadie]

I always heard that if you don't have insurance and go to a emergency room that they can not turn you away. I don't know if that is true or not but if I didnt have insurance I guess that is where my kids would be everytime we had a problem esp. if it was my little girl and she was having ''issues'' at 3 years old. There is no telling if we will ever find out what really happened with M in regards to her mom during that time period where that sick dirty sob got his hands on her but I just hope it wasnt as bad as I think it was.





I was a hypochodriac with my kids too. I wonder though if I didn't have health insurance and not much money if I would have taken them as often as I did. I suppose there are free clinics.

[MsPooh]

The AMW interview with Tina was very revealing. It really struck me that she took her children along on their first date!

That stood out to me too...How old would her daughter have been 10 years ago? I am really not trying to open a can of worms here but I am just curious.

[dee10134]

I wonder, who is M's dad....?

No one really knows. I read somewhere that the biological father has not been in M's life, so who knows.

[dee10134]

After reading Todd's journal entry where he says that a friend has told him something that he can't talk about, something troubling. I can't remember his exact words. Maybe M's mom did find out about the abuse and she was upset (of course) and told Todd about it. Maybe she decided at that time not to press charges (for whatever reason). Maybe she knew that M had been molested but didn't know that it had been videotaped. That's why all the tears when the police showed her the stills.

We'll never know unless LE decides to make it public. What matters the most is finding CAS so he is never able to do this to another child.

I don't think that for one second that those tears were not tears of shock and horror. I highly doubt that she knew of the abuse that was occurring.

[SuziQ]

If this was an INNOCENT guy, then why did he run?!

Because he didn't know why an angry mob was chasing him. I would run too.

ETA: BTW, I'm not saying it wasn't Stiles at the Salvation Army. It was just a humorous look at a possible mistaken identity.

[SewingDeb]

Ms Pooh, I'm not sure how old Stephani Allen is now...I think I read 24. If that is true then she was about 14 when Tina started dating CTM.

[dee10134]

I was a hypochodriac with my kids too. I wonder though if I didn't have health insurance and not much money if I would have taken them as often as I did. I suppose there are free clinics.

I was 19 when I got pregnant and 20 when I had my daughter back in 2001. Things were rough back then. I had no parental support, and I did NOT have health insurance, but got on state medicaid when I found out that I was pregnant. Our state (IL) will insure anyone under a certain income bracket.

Either way, insurance or not, or family support or none, I would have had my child at the doctor for anything "down there" that looked out of the ordinary.

Thank God, I had the opportunity to turn my life around, by working full time and going to college full time (I'm finally graduating this year!).

[SewingDeb]

Because he didn't know why an angry mob was chasing him. I would run too.

I would add that many of the homeless have mental problems, paranoia, etc.

[SuziQ]

Good Morning Everyone. Still catching up on the posts here. So do I have this straight about the AMV video. That Tina goes on and on about a detailed description of the Buick. Never mentioning the truck. And then she goes on the press junkets and suddenly mentions a truck? Why do I think the only reason she mentioned the truck was because Todd did. And notice how she goes into great detail to convey that CAS looks much different than the pics. Suspicious if you ask me.

[dee10134]

That stood out to me too...How old would her daughter have been 10 years ago? I am really not trying to open a can of worms here but I am just curious.

I think Steph would have been 14 years old at the time.

I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing the kids along on a date. It takes the pressure off of anything sexual IMHO.

I began dating a great man 4-1/2 years ago and I had a 2 year old at the time. We went out on our first date alone and had a wonderful time. I knew him for longer because we worked at the same company together. He knew of my daughter and met her once or twice at work. I brought her out on our second date and they got along great together.

We've been married for almost a year on Oct. 28th and he has been more of a father to my daughter than her own father has been.

I think Tina's major issue was blindly trusting this man right off the bat. I don't think she had any doubts that he was a "good man" and I still believe she's blind to his actions. :mad:

[DeltaDawn]

Is there alink to the info about the yeast infection in little "M"?

[SuziQ]

(I'm finally graduating this year!).

Congrats Dee!

[dee10134]

Because he didn't know why an angry mob was chasing him. I would run too.

ETA: BTW, I'm not saying it wasn't Stiles at the Salvation Army. It was just a humorous look at a possible mistaken identity.

An "angry mob" just doesn't start chase. Someone had to say something to the person which provoked him to run... and then provoked the mob to chase.

It would be funny though if the guy wasn't CAS and he was running for his life thinking "what the hell?!"

[Jeana (DP)]

I don't see any reason to be bashing M's Mother here, so knock it off, okay?

[dee10134]

Good Morning Everyone. Still catching up on the posts here. So do I have this straight about the AMV video. That Tina goes on and on about a detailed description of the Buick. Never mentioning the truck. And then she goes on the press junkets and suddenly mentions a truck? Why do I think the only reason she mentioned the truck was because Todd did. And notice how she goes into great detail to convey that CAS looks much different than the pics. Suspicious if you ask me.

I bet CAS looks pretty much the same as the pics. I think it may be Tina's way of trying to throw us off.

Only time will tell....

[SuziQ]

An "angry mob" just doesn't start chase. Someone had to say something to the person which provoked him to run... and then provoked the mob to chase.

It would be funny though if the guy wasn't CAS and he was running for his life thinking "what the hell?!"

And if it was Stiles...even more funny!

[dee10134]

Congrats Dee!

Thanks! :woohoo:

[dee10134]

And if it was Stiles...even more funny!

If it was him and he ran, I read somewhere that he could be in the extensive sewer drain tunnel system.

If he's down there, I bet he's miserable right now... living in the stanky ass Las Vegas sewer tunnel system. I hope he catches pneumonia down there. That's WORSE than prison; he might as well just turn himself in. :behindbar

[Indiana at Heart]

I don't see any reason to be bashing M's Mother here, so knock it off, okay?


I agree