Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart #4

[Jeana (DP)]

Please continue here.

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Jeana!!

[FormerRichmondRes]

Carrying over from here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184

and here . . .

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53752

and here . . .

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54099

[joyfulmorning]

I agree that Kelly should have been protected. I think that the question for LE is , "What can we do now to bring this case forward? What can we do differently in future investigations. " Having lived in Centerville, I believe that the first death was so out of the ordinary for this small town that nobody thought it was even a possibility that it could happen again. It probably seemed isolated to them. I do not understand why the family was allowed to stay in the home during a murder investigation. I have no doubt that this investigation has its mistakes. I do not think that the Centerville police are cold, heartless people. I have always found them to very kind and caring toward the citizens they serve. I am sure that this case does keep them up at night, as it does most of the people that live around here.

[CvilleCit]

Go to sleep, wake up, and before I finish reading the new stuff I have to go to a new thread. This is getting out of control. hehe

-The window WAS taken. Cut out actually.
-This case IS driving me nuts, and I personally think that James is just saying stuff to make himself look good.
-If he's not guilty I'm sorry, but unless they have video footage I will never believe that it was either parent.
-I don't care who Alexis is as long as she's being shown that she's loved, and being cared for.
-If James is reading WS, Welcome. I'd be interested in what you have to say. This is a really warm forum, and you might be suprised at how accepting we'ld be to talk to you. Feel free to post at any time.

[Indy Gal]

Hey gals, dont think we have any guys here, I got the email from chris. She is a mod here if you didnt know that. She has told me how to write the email and how to do it the right way. THANKS CHRIS!! So i am off to send out an email. Nothing fancy at first just letting them know there are many people here wanting to know what is being done. Of course in a nice way...lol

[Indy Gal]

UPDATE Just got off phone with centerville pd. The lady who answeared is calling the dect. now and he is going to call me back!!! WOOT!!

His name is det Ed Buchholz. Hope I got that right I will confirm when he calls back.

BTW when she said he wasnt in I said does he have an email I can contact, she said that she wanted him to call me sooner than email. This tells me they are on the ball, IMO. Lets just see how fast he calls back.

[gooniequeen]

:woohoo:

waiting with baited breath....

I'm not so much picking on the individual officers of the Cville PD (though I can see it came across that way) but the higer ups, the Chief i guess to be specific. I mean is it not Criminal 101 that you give protection to your witnesses when the perp is still on the loose? I'm not sure whos job it is to request that - the police or the DAs office...but nonetheless I cannot get over how badly Kelly was failed.

[Indy Gal]

I just got off the phone and this is what I have.

1. They are aware of our site and DET Ed has read here. THANKS AGAIN ED!!
2. the people working side by side are_ Det. Ed Buchholz and ISP (i think it was sgt.) Brian Bunner. I have both phone numbers to contact them if we find anything.
3. I was told when asked if the teen girls in Centerville were in danger. He sad if they felt this wasnt an isolated case he personally would be at every front door alerting all locals.
4. He also said the guy in Florida is a dead end!!!
5. He is a very nice man, we didnt talk long but I can tell he was living this case. I now give it up to CVPD!! There is a lot we are not seeing I feel it!
6. I asked him if I should contact by phone or email he said he prefered "just like we are" So by phone.
7. He also welcomed me to contact him anytime with anything we may find. And he knows how to contact me.

Telling you guys IMO they know who it is and are gathering proof. Not that DET ED said that but just my feelings. I was so nevous during that called I am sure he could tell. I didnt want to mess this up in any way. I told him who I was here and thanked him for all his time and effort.

QUESTIONS??????

[gooniequeen]

hey question for all of you oldtimers....

i do get the creepy feeling that perhpas James is reading these entries and if he's not the killer...perhaps the actual killer is reading as well.

have there been WS threads in the past where the suspects have posted on? either assuming another identity or as themselves?

(i truly watch way too much TV)

[gooniequeen]

I just got off the phone and this is what I have.

1. They are aware of our site and DET Ed has read here. THANKS AGAIN ED!!
2. the people working side by side are_ Det. Ed Buchholz and ISP (i think it was sgt.) Brian Bunner. I have both phone numbers to contact them if we find anything.
3. I was told when asked if the teen girls in Centerville were in danger. He sad if they felt this wasnt an isolated case he personally would be at every front door alerting all locals.
4. He also said the guy in Florida is a dead end!!!
5. He is a very nice man, we didnt talk long but I can tell he was living this case. I now give it up to CVPD!! There is a lot we are not seeing I feel it!
6. I asked him if I should contact by phone or email he said he prefered "just like we are" So by phone.
7. He also welcomed me to contact him anytime with anything we may find. And he knows how to contact me.

Telling you guys IMO they know who it is and are gathering proof. Not that DET ED said that but just my feelings. I was so nevous during that called I am sure he could tell. I didnt want to mess this up in any way. I told him who I was here and thanked him for all his time and effort.

QUESTIONS??????

you da bomb girl.

I guess it's just a matter of time now....

tick tock tick tock - they are coming for you.....

[Taximom]

Nice job, Indy. I feel much better now. It takes a long time sometimes, but I think justice will be served when LE has all their ducks in a row.

I'm sure glad to hear Cville residents don't have to fear for their lives!

[Squishified]

I haven't posted yet on this case (but I've read all posts).

Thank you IndyGal for making the call!
Sounds like the police may know more than they're letting on.
Hope we have answers soon.

[Indy Gal]

I think I may have been wrong to change my mind about James. Not that anything was ever said about him, EVER. If they know who done it then it must be him right?

[Indy Gal]

hey question for all of you oldtimers....

i do get the creepy feeling that perhpas James is reading these entries and if he's not the killer...perhaps the actual killer is reading as well.

have there been WS threads in the past where the suspects have posted on? either assuming another identity or as themselves?

(i truly watch way too much TV)
do a google search of the names and see what website is listed very close to the top. I would say there have been many times, not that pop right into my head though.

[Mygirlsadie]

I just can't imagine what they could be waiting for though? At first I was like ok for certain it is the bf who did it..then I was like hmm after hearing the way the girls mother talked on the 911 tape I was certain SHE did it sorry but just the tone of her voice and something she said p*ssed me off..now I am back to thinking ok the BF again? UGH!..i'm so not a patient person it's a good thing I am not in LE I would of done had the whole dang town in jail on suspicion lol.. :doh:

[FormerRichmondRes]

I just got off the phone and this is what I have.

1. They are aware of our site and DET Ed has read here. THANKS AGAIN ED!!
2. the people working side by side are_ Det. Ed Buchholz and ISP (i think it was sgt.) Brian Bunner. I have both phone numbers to contact them if we find anything.
3. I was told when asked if the teen girls in Centerville were in danger. He sad if they felt this wasnt an isolated case he personally would be at every front door alerting all locals.
4. He also said the guy in Florida is a dead end!!!
5. He is a very nice man, we didnt talk long but I can tell he was living this case. I now give it up to CVPD!! There is a lot we are not seeing I feel it!
6. I asked him if I should contact by phone or email he said he prefered "just like we are" So by phone.
7. He also welcomed me to contact him anytime with anything we may find. And he knows how to contact me.

Telling you guys IMO they know who it is and are gathering proof. Not that DET ED said that but just my feelings. I was so nevous during that called I am sure he could tell. I didnt want to mess this up in any way. I told him who I was here and thanked him for all his time and effort.

QUESTIONS??????

You go girl!! :woohoo::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[Truthful Lies]

hey question for all of you oldtimers....

i do get the creepy feeling that perhpas James is reading these entries and if he's not the killer...perhaps the actual killer is reading as well.

have there been WS threads in the past where the suspects have posted on? either assuming another identity or as themselves?

(i truly watch way too much TV)

Yes. There have been instances. I was involved with one and made sure it was reported to LE. It was so creepy. Others felt the same way. I don't want to post about it on here...if you want more details, PM me.

[Truthful Lies]

tick tock tick tock - they are coming for you.....

What does that mean? That LE will get to the killer? Or that someone is coming for IndyGal? Hopefully not the latter.....you'll have WSers all over you! =)

[joyfulmorning]

:woohoo:

waiting with baited breath....

I'm not so much picking on the individual officers of the Cville PD (though I can see it came across that way) but the higer ups, the Chief i guess to be specific. I mean is it not Criminal 101 that you give protection to your witnesses when the perp is still on the loose? I'm not sure whos job it is to request that - the police or the DAs office...but nonetheless I cannot get over how badly Kelly was failed.

I don't know much about the higher ups in LE. It seems like common sense to me to provide protection for any informant or people working with LE. I guess that it just didn't happen in this case. I really don't think that anyone thought about Kelly at all.

[Indy Gal]

No one will be coming for Indy....LOL I have a nice little friend who says Indy is safe..hehe

[joyfulmorning]

hey question for all of you oldtimers....

i do get the creepy feeling that perhpas James is reading these entries and if he's not the killer...perhaps the actual killer is reading as well.

have there been WS threads in the past where the suspects have posted on? either assuming another identity or as themselves?

(i truly watch way too much TV)

That is a creepy thought! It is very possible though. A killer would want to know what people were thinking and how close the public was to finding him!

[joyfulmorning]

I just got off the phone and this is what I have.

1. They are aware of our site and DET Ed has read here. THANKS AGAIN ED!!
2. the people working side by side are_ Det. Ed Buchholz and ISP (i think it was sgt.) Brian Bunner. I have both phone numbers to contact them if we find anything.
3. I was told when asked if the teen girls in Centerville were in danger. He sad if they felt this wasnt an isolated case he personally would be at every front door alerting all locals.
4. He also said the guy in Florida is a dead end!!!
5. He is a very nice man, we didnt talk long but I can tell he was living this case. I now give it up to CVPD!! There is a lot we are not seeing I feel it!
6. I asked him if I should contact by phone or email he said he prefered "just like we are" So by phone.
7. He also welcomed me to contact him anytime with anything we may find. And he knows how to contact me.

Telling you guys IMO they know who it is and are gathering proof. Not that DET ED said that but just my feelings. I was so nevous during that called I am sure he could tell. I didnt want to mess this up in any way. I told him who I was here and thanked him for all his time and effort.

QUESTIONS??????

Thank you so much for making the call. You are so brave :blowkiss: I don't feel quite so powerless now.

[joyfulmorning]

Just a thought ....
I read on the PI forum that Kelly attended Fresh Start Ministries in Richmond. I am from Richmond and I have never heard of that church, so I did a search of the churches in our area. I found that it was a Baptist church but I cant find the address. I was wondering if Kelly might have confided in a pastor or youth group leader or someone at church after Erin's death. I am sure that she would have reached out to members of her church for support after the death of her sister.

[Hoosier Buckeye]

Way to go Indy Gal. That sounds reassuring. Other locals have said that they think that LE knows alot more than what is being said and it sounds like they are on the ball.

I think that I actually suspect James more now that he is talking.

[pooky169]

This is my first time posting here since I heard about this site from the PI forums. All I can say say is I hope this case is solved soon and whoever did it is brought to justice. The well being of a little girl named Alexis depends on it. And that is what my main focus being interested in this case is all about is that little baby who lost her mom and aunt.

[Indiana at Heart]

I just got off the phone and this is what I have.

1. They are aware of our site and DET Ed has read here. THANKS AGAIN ED!!
2. the people working side by side are_ Det. Ed Buchholz and ISP (i think it was sgt.) Brian Bunner. I have both phone numbers to contact them if we find anything.
3. I was told when asked if the teen girls in Centerville were in danger. He sad if they felt this wasnt an isolated case he personally would be at every front door alerting all locals.
4. He also said the guy in Florida is a dead end!!!
5. He is a very nice man, we didnt talk long but I can tell he was living this case. I now give it up to CVPD!! There is a lot we are not seeing I feel it!
6. I asked him if I should contact by phone or email he said he prefered "just like we are" So by phone.
7. He also welcomed me to contact him anytime with anything we may find. And he knows how to contact me.

Telling you guys IMO they know who it is and are gathering proof. Not that DET ED said that but just my feelings. I was so nevous during that called I am sure he could tell. I didnt want to mess this up in any way. I told him who I was here and thanked him for all his time and effort.

QUESTIONS??????



WAY TO GO INDY:woohoo:

[gooniequeen]

What does that mean? That LE will get to the killer? Or that someone is coming for IndyGal? Hopefully not the latter.....you'll have WSers all over you! =)

ha ha no no, that LE is going to arrest someone.

[Taximom]

This is my first time posting here since I heard about this site from the PI forums. All I can say say is I hope this case is solved soon and whoever did it is brought to justice. The well being of a little girl named Alexis depends on it. And that is what my main focus being interested in this case is all about is that little baby who lost her mom and aunt.

Awww, pooky169, what a great 1st comment. Welcome to WS. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances.

My heart aches for that little girl. No mommy. No auntie.... I hope someone keeps the comments Erin made about her on her myspace. She was really in love with Alexis.

[gooniequeen]

does anyone know where they got the picutre of Erin and Kelly that is shown on this article?

http://viewmydeath.com/Murders/526.html

It was the same picutre that Greta used last night on her segment. It looks to me to be a webcam picture, most likely from a MySpace page, but I dont see it in either girls pages....

Just curious

[gooniequeen]

Awww, pooky169, what a great 1st comment. Welcome to WS. I'm sorry it's under these circumstances.

My heart aches for that little girl. No mommy. No auntie.... I hope someone keeps the comments Erin made about her on her myspace. She was really in love with Alexis.


which comments? I think I missed these.

[Taximom]

does anyone know where they got the picutre of Erin and Kelly that is shown on this article?

http://viewmydeath.com/Murders/526.html

It was the same picutre that Greta used last night on her segment. It looks to me to be a webcam picture, most likely from a MySpace page, but I dont see it in either girls pages....

Just curious

I'm pretty sure I saw that in Kelly's myspace picture album? I can't remember really. Sorry!

[gooniequeen]

Hey Indy...

Now that you have contacted local LE how about contacting the Indiana State Police. The contact name is Noel Houze.

[Indy Gal]

I'm pretty sure I saw that in Kelly's myspace picture album? I can't remember really. Sorry!
me too

[Indy Gal]

Hey Indy...

Now that you have contacted local LE how about contacting the Indiana State Police. The contact name is Noel Houze.
The person working this case from ISP is listed in my post above. He and ED are working side by side and I have both contacts. I will not contact them until we have something for him, concrete. It really does waste time if I call with nothing, ya know.

[gooniequeen]

ahhhh OK, I didn't understand what ISP was...I gotcha.

Hey did anyone read this article?

http://viewmydeath.com/Murders/526.html

I think it's the best written of any of the others I've read and contains a lot of information.

[richmond1998]

Hey all, I made a few posts last night, appears I might be the only guy on here...don't let my wife know...hehe. Anyways with all the seriousness going on I thought I'd let you know that I'm pretty sure this guy has got it figured out.

http://www.abduct.com/worley/worley54.php

From reading the PI forums I guess this was the guy that asked someone how to get a hold of James because he knew the crywoman did it.

[gooniequeen]

Hey all, I made a few posts last night, appears I might be the only guy on here...don't let my wife know...hehe. Anyways with all the seriousness going on I thought I'd let you know that I'm pretty sure this guy has got it figured out.

http://www.abduct.com/worley/worley54.php

From reading the PI forums I guess this was the guy that asked someone how to get a hold of James because he knew the crywoman did it.

you should change your name to the Richmond Stag :D

OK that man needs to be locked up tight somewhere in a padded room. Poor geezer must be off his meds. I can only imagine the chuckle that conversation casued around the watercooler of the Cville PD.

[Mysticchic]

good job Indy!!! you rock!

[joyfulmorning]

you should change your name to the Richmond Stag :D

OK that man needs to be locked up tight somewhere in a padded room. Poor geezer must be off his meds. I can only imagine the chuckle that conversation casued around the watercooler of the Cville PD.

This guy sounds like he is off his rocker. Hard to believe that people like this are roaming free among us. That is a little unnerving that he is forcing himself on locals. I took a look at his website. Man, he is out there. - way out there.

[Indy Gal]

good job Indy!!! you rock!
Thanks!!:blowkiss:

[Indiana at Heart]

http://www.newslinkindiana.com/index.php?src=news&refno=1050&category=Headlines

[gooniequeen]

hey Dancer -

Do you know either of these guys...they both seemed to have had a "thing" for Kelly.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=120144781

and

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49819304

check out this guys comment on one of kelly's pictures....kinda plays into the mistaken identity theory...

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=12042210&albumID=0&imageID=1363593
c'mon play along with me kids :blowkiss:

[docwho3]

Hey all, I made a few posts last night, appears I might be the only guy on here...don't let my wife know...hehe.. . . I am a guy too. You are not alone. I posted earlier in the case but have not said much lately. Just watching how this case shakes out.

[Indy Gal]

Oops sorry guys...hehe

[gooniequeen]

so nice to know it's not a total hen party around here. I'm a member of a mommy forum and well...it's all women (we think) and things can get a bit cagey sometimes with all the chicks.

welcome gentlemen.

[mysteriew]

Just reading to get caught up. In little Jimmy's interviews with media he talks about the sister's not being on good term's with their parents (he doesn't mention them caring enough to drive out of state to pick Erin up), but does he ever mention his argument with the father the night before?

[Indiana at Heart]

Just reading to get caught up. In little Jimmy's interviews with media he talks about the sister's not being on good term's with their parents (he doesn't mention them caring enough to drive out of state to pick Erin up), but does he ever mention his argument with the father the night before?



Good Point! What argument?:banghead:

[gooniequeen]

Good Point! What argument?:banghead:

Indy apparently the "stressful day" Mrs Stanley was referring to was the argument the Dale had with James the day before Erin's murder.

[mysteriew]

Well he kinda sorta did answer a couple of questions wehad. He mentions that when Alexis cried that Erin didn't move- sounds like he might have been in bed with her.
And he was nearby (Cambridge City) when Kelly died.

[calidreamin]

I'm pretty sure I saw that in Kelly's myspace picture album? I can't remember really. Sorry!

Hi Taximom!! I definately saw the picture on Kellies page. I am going to try and pm you tonight about that book we were discussing , some interesting stuff.

[dancer_girl]

yeah that first guy i dont know too much about... i think they met through james/erin.

the second guy definetely knows kelly from erin for sure...i think that was just a comment on the way they look alike. :) but that goes to show they could be mistaken for one another.

hey Dancer -

Do you know either of these guys...they both seemed to have had a "thing" for Kelly.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=120144781

and

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=49819304

check out this guys comment on one of kelly's pictures....kinda plays into the mistaken identity theory...

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=12042210&albumID=0&imageID=1363593
c'mon play along with me kids :blowkiss:

[SuziQ]

Thank you Indy, you are fantastic!

[CvilleCit]

Indy you're amazing! Ed was the first police officer I ever talked to. (When I was in 6th grade a girl's mom called the cops b/c I scratched her arm, and Ed came to my house and asked me about it.)
Dancer- I didn't see the interview with Angela, but I can see her being nervous. I would be.

[Bobbisangel]

I think I may have been wrong to change my mind about James. Not that anything was ever said about him, EVER. If they know who done it then it must be him right?


Thanks so much for making that call. I would have been nervous too. It does sound like they know exactly what they are doing and who the killer is. I never doubted that if they thought the public was in danger that they would alert them. If that wasn't the case and there was another murder it would be on their heads and cause a lot of problems in the town.

I still believe that the killer is James. I think he murdered Erin as they were having problems and she had moved back home...he tagged along even though he must have known that her parents didn't want him there. Her dad and James had a big fight over something not yet known by us yet but it must have caused some conflict as Erin was close to her parents. Then Erin and James fought over the baby. I do believe that he went after Kelly because she knew to much and she may have confronted him. Either way, I believe that we will see James arrested in the future. To take the whole window there must have been evidence on it that will be used in court. That is probably why it was cut out.

I don't feel so uptight about this case now that you have talked to LE. It is just frustrating when nothing is being said although I can understand that the case is still under investigation and they need to keep it under wraps.
Thanks again.

[richmond1998]

Posted on PI forum.

"I just went back and reviewed and it was tam190 and ipfreely that talked about it. but tam190 said kelly told her she was at home that night and ipfreely said she was at her house with the baby that night, so who knows."


ipfreely, have you been posting on this forum? I thought for sure the baby was in the house at the time of Erin's death.

[dancer_girl]

Posted on PI forum.

"I just went back and reviewed and it was tam190 and ipfreely that talked about it. but tam190 said kelly told her she was at home that night and ipfreely said she was at her house with the baby that night, so who knows."


ipfreely, have you been posting on this forum? I thought for sure the baby was in the house at the time of Erin's death.

ipfreely doesnt post here but i know her and she must have typed that by mistake. kelly was at her house but the baby wasnt. :)

[gooniequeen]

hmm I'd like to see that post - that's kind of a big typo to make.

[miss_vegemite]

I just got off the phone and this is what I have.

1. They are aware of our site and DET Ed has read here. THANKS AGAIN ED!!
2. the people working side by side are_ Det. Ed Buchholz and ISP (i think it was sgt.) Brian Bunner. I have both phone numbers to contact them if we find anything.
3. I was told when asked if the teen girls in Centerville were in danger. He sad if they felt this wasnt an isolated case he personally would be at every front door alerting all locals.
4. He also said the guy in Florida is a dead end!!!
5. He is a very nice man, we didnt talk long but I can tell he was living this case. I now give it up to CVPD!! There is a lot we are not seeing I feel it!
6. I asked him if I should contact by phone or email he said he prefered "just like we are" So by phone.
7. He also welcomed me to contact him anytime with anything we may find. And he knows how to contact me.

Telling you guys IMO they know who it is and are gathering proof. Not that DET ED said that but just my feelings. I was so nevous during that called I am sure he could tell. I didnt want to mess this up in any way. I told him who I was here and thanked him for all his time and effort.

QUESTIONS??????

Good morning from Austraila:D well done Indy Gal..

[SeriouslySearching]

Good job, Indy! It is nice to know they know we are here. I don't know that we have come up with many leads, but we surely have given them things to ponder.

I see nothing has really changed today in the case. Hopefully, they will be moving forward soon and naming a POI, at the very least. (Altho...maybe there is more than one!)

[CvilleCit]

Does anyone know how I can watch Greta online (last nights ep. with her (Kelly's) friend (angela?) on it?)

[dancer_girl]

hmm I'd like to see that post - that's kind of a big typo to make.

yeah i know...i guess i just think it was most likely that they meant something else and didnt state it clearly or that they left like half the sentence out that they meant to put. hah.

[CvilleCit]

yeah i know...i guess i just think it was most likely that they meant something else and didnt state it clearly or that they left like half the sentence out that they meant to put. hah.

I do that kinda stuff. I'll have one thing on my mind and it'll basically type itself. I can understand the mistake, because I do stuff like that all the time.

[dancer_girl]

I do that kinda stuff. I'll have one thing on my mind and it'll basically type itself. I can understand the mistake, because I do stuff like that all the time.

yeah i have actually caught myself doing it on here tons of times already...i know this person wouldnt lie about it...im sure it was just a mistake of some sort.

[SeriouslySearching]

Does anyone know how I can watch Greta online (last nights ep. with her (Kelly's) friend (angela?) on it?)I don't know...but I missed it, too!

[Indy Gal]

Good morning from Austraila:D well done Indy Gal..

Good job, Indy! It is nice to know they know we are here. I don't know that we have come up with many leads, but we surely have given them things to ponder.

I see nothing has really changed today in the case. Hopefully, they will be moving forward soon and naming a POI, at the very least. (Altho...maybe there is more than one!)
Thanks Guys!

[notfaraway]

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&start=105

from pal item tonight

nanarondu

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:14 pm
well people ive lived with this kid and i can tell you from personal experience...im not here to bash him,but he's a moocher ,a thief and a habitual liar.he's stole from me and everyone he's ever lived with.thats why its so hard for him to find anyone to live with,unless you dont know him ,then your fair game.if anyone out there is feeling sorry for him,BEWARE,LOCK UP YOUR PRIZED POSSESIONS!As for im4kids if he didnt do it,now the killer knows he has another child that may be put in danger,dumas. As for his ex girlfriend,she wants nothing to do with him or this whole nightmare,she got rid of him has moved on and is trying to establish a life for the chld as well as herself. im sorry theres another child involved in this but thats what happens when babys have babys.

[dancer_girl]

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&start=105

from pal item tonight

nanarondu

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:14 pm
well people ive lived with this kid and i can tell you from personal experience...im not here to bash him,but he's a moocher ,a thief and a habitual liar.he's stole from me and everyone he's ever lived with.thats why its so hard for him to find anyone to live with,unless you dont know him ,then your fair game.if anyone out there is feeling sorry for him,BEWARE,LOCK UP YOUR PRIZED POSSESIONS!As for im4kids if he didnt do it,now the killer knows he has another child that may be put in danger,dumas. As for his ex girlfriend,she wants nothing to do with him or this whole nightmare,she got rid of him has moved on and is trying to establish a life for the chld as well as herself. im sorry theres another child involved in this but thats what happens when babys have babys.

hmm...interesting..

[miss_vegemite]

My thoughts..
-Erins

[gooniequeen]

nanarondu is a brave soul. I'm not sure I'd be saying brazen stuff like that. I mean James may get to the point where he's desperate and gives up and goes on some wacky killing spree. i'm not kidding.

I think leaving this kid out there IS a danger. i think if he was insane enough to go sneak back in and kill Kelly he's pretty much crazy enough to do a lot of things.

I say take him in now.

[Shamrock]

My thoughts..
-Erins

??? I don't get it???

[laura2007]

nanarondu is a brave soul. I'm not sure I'd be saying brazen stuff like that. I mean James may get to the point where he's desperate and gives up and goes on some wacky killing spree. i'm not kidding.

I think leaving this kid out there IS a danger. i think if he was insane enough to go sneak back in and kill Kelly he's pretty much crazy enough to do a lot of things.

I say take him in now.

I'm still not convinced he did it. I realize his character is questionable but why would he call for help for Erin before she was dead if he didn't want her to live? And I thought someone posted that he had an alibi for Kelly's death? Plus I remember it being said he passed the polygraph test?
I just don't know. :confused:

[Shamrock]

We've heard about the polys but I don't believe it's been verified that he (and the parents) took one. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm still not convinced James is guilty. Something with the parents doesn't sit right. This whole case makes my brain hurt.

[miss_vegemite]

I just lost my last post?? not sure where it went too:(

This is the scenario i have in my head..

- The parents go and pick up Erin, Alexis and James. There is a lot of yelling on the drive home. Mr. Stanley is angry at James, maybe calling him some names etc..that he's no good and they will not be supporting him. James is yelling back and Erin is upset.

- There is a lot of anger and tension in the house that night. (Maybe that is why Kelly slept at her girlfriends).

- James is told he can sleep on the couch that night and has to get out the next day. Erin is upset. Erin goes to bed.

- James is seething inside. Throughout the night, he goes into Erins' bedroom to have it out her. She pushes him away, he snaps and chokes/smothers her. The wakes up, starts crying. James hasn't yet finished, but panics and calls out to the parents..

James hates the family. He possibly blames them for this happening. If they hadn't caused all this trouble between him and Erin, then she would still be alive!

He hears stories of Kelly blaming him...

James knows the layout to the family home. He possibly also knows the parents and Kellys' work schedules. He may have already been in the house, hiding, waiting for Kelly to return from work...

[CvilleCit]

Makes sense to me.

[imnotheonlyone]

Just found this site a couple of days ago - I'm SO happy to know that there are others out there who follow these cases :dance: I'd like to hear the 911 call - can anyone direct me to it?

[Indy Gal]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1689954&postcount=417

http://www.pal-item.com/assets/mp3/A085831918.MP3

[Indy Gal]

And Welcome!!

[Shamrock]

Welcome, imnotheonlyone!!

And miss vegemite - good theory!!!

[imnotheonlyone]

Thank you for the welcome - and for the links Indy_Gal

[CvilleMom]

I'm still not convinced he did it. I realize his character is questionable but why would he call for help for Erin before she was dead if he didn't want her to live? And I thought someone posted that he had an alibi for Kelly's death? Plus I remember it being said he passed the polygraph test?
I just don't know. :confused:


I am certainly not in the medical field, but I did work in a hospital for 20 years, seeing death many times and I also experienced the passing of my father in his sleep, during the 911 call, Mrs Stanley stated "sounds like she has mucous in her throat" meaning she was actually hearing death rattles, not breaths, we also thought that my father was still alive when the EMT's arrived, because of those sounds, only to find out that he was NOT, a person also releases bodily fluids as their body has shut down. IMO, Erin was already deceased when the call was made. Recently, of course.

Incontinence
The person may lose control of urine and/or bowel matter as the muscles in that area begin to relax.

Congestion
The person may have gurgling sounds coming from his or her chest as though marbles were rolling around inside these sounds may become very loud.


The signs of death include such things as no breathing, no heartbeat, release of bowel and bladder, no response, eyelids slightly open, pupils enlarged, eyes fixed on a certain spot, no blinking,

Hence the description given by her mother in the 911 call Lonny Stanley said her daughter was "unresponsive, her eyes are halfway open and she's blue."

Again, this is only IMO

[imnotheonlyone]

Please guide me if I speak out of line, I've never done this before...
Has anyone tried contacting James through MySpace to see if by chance he would respond?

[miss_vegemite]

Please guide me if I speak out of line, I've never done this before...
Has anyone tried contacting James through MySpace to see if by chance he would respond?

I'm not sure whether anybody has done this? I would be surprised if he responded to a stranger though..

[miss_vegemite]

I have noticed his Myspace is active, so whether ever James is staying at the moment, he has access to a computer!!

[Mysticchic]

what is James myspace address

[CvilleMom]

what is James myspace address


MySpace.com - james - 23 - Male - columbus, Ohio - www.myspace.com/170796798 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=170796798)

[Mysticchic]

wow that was fast ..thanks Cvillmom

[CvilleMom]

wow that was fast ..thanks Cvillmom


YQW ~Smiles~

[mysteriew]

I am certainly not in the medical field, but I did work in a hospital for 20 years, seeing death many times and I also experienced the passing of my father in his sleep, during the 911 call, Mrs Stanley stated "sounds like she has mucous in her throat" meaning she was actually hearing death rattles, not breaths, we also thought that my father was still alive when the EMT's arrived, because of those sounds, only to find out that he was NOT, a person also releases bodily fluids as their body has shut down. IMO, Erin was already deceased when the call was made. Recently, of course.

Incontinence
The person may lose control of urine and/or bowel matter as the muscles in that area begin to relax.

Congestion
The person may have gurgling sounds coming from his or her chest as though marbles were rolling around inside these sounds may become very loud.


The signs of death include such things as no breathing, no heartbeat, release of bowel and bladder, no response, eyelids slightly open, pupils enlarged, eyes fixed on a certain spot, no blinking,

Hence the description given by her mother in the 911 call Lonny Stanley said her daughter was "unresponsive, her eyes are halfway open and she's blue."

Again, this is only IMO

In one of the interviews didn't James say that Erin's parents gave her CPR?

[CvilleMom]

In one of the interviews didn't James say that Erin's parents gave her CPR?
He did say that in his interview, but it is also obvious from the 911 call that that info was NOT true, other than her mother stating "I gave her a couple puffs of air"..though seconds later when asked by the 911 dispatcher if she or anyone in the house knew how to administer CPR, the answer to both questions was a VERY stern "NO"

[CvilleMom]

G'night all, Sweet Dreams, Stay Safe!! :)

[philamena]

I'm going to throw in my 2cents worth here. Parts of the 911 tape startled me.
For starters:
Why didn't the mom or dad call from the cell phone to begin with? Don't know why but that sounds hinky to me. And why were these parents so dang nonchalant?
Mother. I might go and get the cordless phone. I haven’t had a chance to grab it.

Then this:

911. She’s not had any complaints or anything today?

Mother. No

911. apart from just feeling bad?

Mother. No. We’ve had a stressful day.

Why mention the stress of the day? Stressful days don't usually cause teens to die.
These deaths are unbelievable.....

[dellemma]

Didn't the 911 operator tell Lonny to have someone go into the room with Erin so they could begin CPR until paramedics arrived? Maybe this is what James is talking about...who knows if Dale gave proper CPR but maybe James saw him attempting it. Just a thought.

[philamena]

Didn't the 911 operator tell Lonny to have someone go into the room with Erin so they could begin CPR until paramedics arrived? Maybe this is what James is talking about...who knows if Dale gave proper CPR but maybe James saw him attempting it. Just a thought.

That's how it seemed to me after reading the 911 transcript.

[dellemma]

That's how it seemed to me after reading the 911 transcript.

Ok good, at least I am not alone in my take on that!

[CaliKid]

That's how it seemed to me too.

[miss_vegemite]

I'm going to throw in my 2cents worth here. Parts of the 911 tape startled me.
For starters:
Why didn't the mom or dad call from the cell phone to begin with? Don't know why but that sounds hinky to me. And why were these parents so dang nonchalant?


Then this:


Why mention the stress of the day? Stressful days don't usually cause teens to die.
These deaths are unbelievable.....

The mother may have been operating under auto-matic pilot..when you are under emormous stress you just to function at a basic level.. mentioning the stress of the day may have been the only possible thing she could think of in answer to the question. That is assuming she didn't know what was wrong with Erin at that time..which I believe IMO, she didn't.

[miss_vegemite]

My beautiful 16 yr old daughter was killed in a road accident 1 year ago. I alternated between desperate panic and dead calmness. When I hear this mother on the phone, I can almost understand her. It is very hard to know how any person will react/respond when faced with such a horror as your daughter dying..

[dottierainbow]

I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter. I believe (IMO) that sometimes when a person is in shock that it as if it is a dream and you may be on autopilot with your responses.
My beautiful 16 yr old daughter was killed in a road accident 1 year ago. I alternated between desperate panic and dead calmness. When I hear this mother on the phone, I can almost understand her. It is very hard to know how any person will react/respond when faced with such a horror as your daughter dying..

[miss_vegemite]

I'm sorry for the loss of your daughter. I believe (IMO) that sometimes when a person is in shock that it as if it is a dream and you may be on autopilot with your responses.

Thanks dottierainbow. You're right, shock is the bodies way of coping with trauma..without it, we could die..its like natures' anasesia..

[Taximom]

((miss vegemite)) My condolences and prayers regarding the loss of your precious daughter. Nobody should have to go through that.

[miss_vegemite]

((miss vegemite)) My condolences and prayers regarding the loss of your precious daughter. Nobody should have to go through that.

Thank you so much Taximom

[gooniequeen]

hmmm did anyone notice James new 'friend' on his MySpace page....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56130675

Any locals know who she is?

[Indiana at Heart]

I just lost my last post?? not sure where it went too:(

This is the scenario i have in my head..

- The parents go and pick up Erin, Alexis and James. There is a lot of yelling on the drive home. Mr. Stanley is angry at James, maybe calling him some names etc..that he's no good and they will not be supporting him. James is yelling back and Erin is upset.

- There is a lot of anger and tension in the house that night. (Maybe that is why Kelly slept at her girlfriends).

- James is told he can sleep on the couch that night and has to get out the next day. Erin is upset. Erin goes to bed.

- James is seething inside. Throughout the night, he goes into Erins' bedroom to have it out her. She pushes him away, he snaps and chokes/smothers her. The wakes up, starts crying. James hasn't yet finished, but panics and calls out to the parents..

James hates the family. He possibly blames them for this happening. If they hadn't caused all this trouble between him and Erin, then she would still be alive!

He hears stories of Kelly blaming him...

James knows the layout to the family home. He possibly also knows the parents and Kellys' work schedules. He may have already been in the house, hiding, waiting for Kelly to return from work...


I buy That!

[dancer_girl]

well it seems that james's ex gf is posting on the PI forums...interesting what she has to say.

"you sure do have a right to state your opinion! iam not saying he did it or if they did it because i dont know the Stanleys but i do know him and i want everybody to know what kind of trouble he is. this is a good example of it he had our house in temiol the whole time he lived here.my daughter got rid of him two years ago and look here he is agian putting her in harms way. will we ever be rid of him. it is scarey to think that he could do this or that he could have made somone so mad that they did it. i just want justice for the girls and the baby! iwant him out of our lives foever! who knows what he could be doing to make somone that mad."

"well people ive lived with this kid and i can tell you from personal experience...im not here to bash him,but he's a moocher ,a thief and a habitual liar.he's stole from me and everyone he's ever lived with.thats why its so hard for him to find anyone to live with,unless you dont know him ,then your fair game.if anyone out there is feeling sorry for him,BEWARE,LOCK UP YOUR PRIZED POSSESIONS!As for im4kids if he didnt do it,now the killer knows he has another child that may be put in danger,dumas. As for his ex girlfriend,she wants nothing to do with him or this whole nightmare,she got rid of him has moved on and is trying to establish a life for the chld as well as herself. im sorry theres another child involved in this but thats what happens when babys have babys."

[joyfulmorning]

Posted by nanna today on the Pal ITem forum
"My daughter-in-law's sister knows the boyfriend. She spoke to him the other day and he said that if he did it that he would have already been in jail. He just seemed so sure of himself. The way he said it really makes you wonder about him. She also said he did have another girlfriend but the girl's parents wouldn't let her be around him. He seems to be telling too many people that he didn't do it. I guess he is trying to convince himself that he is innocent."

I have been rather sympathetic with James up until this point. _trying to understand his background, his circle of friends. life experiences, etc. I have a HUGE problem with him having a new girlfriend. This concerns me greatly and raises some questions for me. When did he start seeing the new girl? Was it before Erin died? Was the new girlfriend jealous? Was Erin jealous? Then there was the argument witnessed by a neighbor before Erin died between Erin and James in the yard at the Stanley home. What were they arguing about? Did Kelly know of new girlfriend? Did this add to the stress in the home? Had James been cheating on Erin? The sudden revelation of a new girlfriend a month after Erin's death alarms me and makes me think that James must have known this girl prior to Erin's death.

[joyfulmorning]

hmmm did anyone notice James new 'friend' on his MySpace page....

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56130675

Any locals know who she is?

Anyone know if this is the new girlfriend?

[Smugshots]

[quote=dancer_girl;1716507]well it seems that james's ex gf is posting on the PI forums...interesting what she has to say.

"you sure do have a right to state your opinion! iam not saying he did it or if they did it because i dont know the Stanleys but i do know him and i want everybody to know what kind of trouble he is. this is a good example of it he had our house in temiol the whole time he lived here.my daughter got rid of him two years ago and look here he is agian putting her in harms way. will we ever be rid of him. it is scarey to think that he could do this or that he could have made somone so mad that they did it. i just want justice for the girls and the baby! iwant him out of our lives foever! who knows what he could be doing to make somone that mad." quote]

When I read this, I was thinking it was his ex-gf mother, sounds like she is talking about her daughter, the ex-gf.

[dancer_girl]

i dont know if james was seeing her before erin died. however, i would not put it past him. I will say i heard rumor of a new girlfriend just 2 weeks after erin's death...2 weeks! come on, that is so fast...especially if they were engaged like he says. ...which i don't believe was true. Who knows though, i guess thats just my opinon and it doesn't have to mean anything.

[joyfulmorning]

[quote=dancer_girl;1716507]well it seems that james's ex gf is posting on the PI forums...interesting what she has to say.

"you sure do have a right to state your opinion! iam not saying he did it or if they did it because i dont know the Stanleys but i do know him and i want everybody to know what kind of trouble he is. this is a good example of it he had our house in temiol the whole time he lived here.my daughter got rid of him two years ago and look here he is agian putting her in harms way. will we ever be rid of him. it is scarey to think that he could do this or that he could have made somone so mad that they did it. i just want justice for the girls and the baby! iwant him out of our lives foever! who knows what he could be doing to make somone that mad." quote]

When I read this, I was thinking it was his ex-gf mother, sounds like she is talking about her daughter, the ex-gf.
I was thinking the same thing. Especially the part about babies having babies. Sounds like someone older.

[joyfulmorning]

i dont know if james was seeing her before erin died. however, i would not put it past him. I will say i heard rumor of a new girlfriend just 2 weeks after erin's death...2 weeks! come on, that is so fast...especially if they were engaged like he says. ...which i don't believe was true. Who knows though, i guess thats just my opinon and it doesn't have to mean anything.
You would think that he would be so grief stricken that he would spend most of his time seeking justice for Erin and Kelly, not picking up new girls to potentually mooch off of. I want to believe that James is innocent. When a young girl dies everyone always assumes that it is the boyfriend ,however, the new girlfirend makes me really question him.

[dancer_girl]

You would think that he would be so grief stricken that he would spend most of his time seeking justice from Erin and KElly, not picking up new girls to potentually mooch off of. I want to believe that James is innocent. When a young girl dies everyone always assumes that it is the boyfriend. The new girlfirend makes me really question him.

yeah..knowing them all ...it is soo easy for me to assume he did it. i know it is kind of a stereotype but everytime i come back to him...

and i feel like he thinks he has gotten away with it..and thats why he is speaking out..

[joyfulmorning]

yeah..knowing them all ...it is soo easy for me to assume he did it. i know it is kind of a stereotype but everytime i come back to him...

and i feel like he thinks he has gotten away with it..and thats why he is speaking out..

Yeah, the part of that he is saying that if he did it he would already be arrested sounds arrogant. It could be code for "look what I am getting away with!" I still have some questions about the parent's involvement. I just don't understand any of this.

[Indiana at Heart]

After just reading the last couple of days here and the PI! I belive James did it and he thinks he got by with it!!

I hope Jutice comes soon for the family and for Erin and Kelly!!

[dancer_girl]

i agree..i do believe that is code for "look what i got away with."

honestly...that statement means nothing. If he did it he would have been arrested by now...well someone did it and no one has been arrested. So that does not rule him out! :rolleyes:

[Indiana at Heart]

i agree..i do believe that is code for "look what i got away with."

honestly...that statement means nothing. If he did it he would have been arrested by now...well someone did it and no one has been arrested. So that does not rule him out! :rolleyes:


Thats right Dancer

[joyfulmorning]

Ohhhh, I just had a thought! Maybe Greta could do an interview with James or the new girlfriend. Call him out on it. Let him try to explain that on national tv. I read that the new girlfriend's parents wouldn't let her see James.

[dancer_girl]

Ohhhh, I just had a thought! Maybe Greta could do an interview with James or the new girlfriend. Call him out on it. Let him try to explain that on national tv. I read that the new girlfriend's parents wouldn't let her see James.

I read that too. I wish he would go on tv and talk...especially on greta! The new girlfriend would be another great person to interview...:laugh: ask her what she is thinking. lol

[gooniequeen]

DG - is this the new gf do you think? or do you know who she is?

http://www.myspace.com/missbrownnn

[joyfulmorning]

Maybe the police have an idea that it was James and are waiting for James to incriminate himself. You know, kind of waiting him out. James' sudden gift of gab could be exactly what they have been waiting for, to close up the investigation.

[dancer_girl]

Maybe the police have an idea that it was James and are waiting for James to incriminate himself. You know, kind of waiting him out. James' sudden gift of gab could be exactly what they have been waiting for, to close up the investigation.

thats exactly what im wondering..

about the gf. i know nothing about her..just heard that he has been seen with her and stuff since about 2 weeks after erin died.

[Smugshots]

thats exactly what im wondering..

about the gf. i know nothing about her..just heard that he has been seen with her and stuff since about 2 weeks after erin died.

I wonder how old the ex-gf with the 4 year old is, do you know?

[dancer_girl]

I wonder how old the ex-gf with the 4 year old is, do you know?

no i dont know. i have wondered that too.

[joyfulmorning]

no i dont know. i have wondered that too.
If we knew where the ex gf was from we could maybe search for a birth announcement or something in a local newspaper. Assuming that james' is listed as the father. Might lead to ex's name.

[Smugshots]

If we knew where the ex gf was from we could maybe search for a birth announcement or something in a local newspaper. Assuming that james' is listed as the father. Might lead to ex's name.

Sounds like the ex-gf wants nothing to do with James or the situation he's in if she's the one posting. I just wondered how old she was when she became pregnant by James. Sounds like he's a real a mooch, living off anyone that will let him from some of the posts on PI. No wonder he's already got another gf, he has to find someone new to mooch off of.

[CvilleMom]

Didn't the 911 operator tell Lonny to have someone go into the room with Erin so they could begin CPR until paramedics arrived? Maybe this is what James is talking about...who knows if Dale gave proper CPR but maybe James saw him attempting it. Just a thought.

The 911 operator asked someone to go in to the room that would be willing to start CPR IF she stopped breathing (according to the parents, she was still breathing) they were told to keep a close watch and to not start CPR as long as she was still breathing, according to the 911 call, that did not happen until after the CPD officer (TJ) arrived at the scene and he began CPR almost immediately.

[gooniequeen]

I'm actualyl kind of shocked that the parent of his ex is posting that stuff. quite frankly I'd be pretty frightened of pissing this guy off until he's taken in...and I believe he will be taken in.

But what if he's never arrested? What if the case is so screwed up and evidence so destroyed that this little turd gets away with it? He sounds like a pretty desperate and shady charachter to me and I'd be afraid of retaliation.

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe it isn't a gf, but just a friend instead. It appears he doesn't have many of those left or family either. It doesn't matter what he does at this point...he is going to be ridiculed for it. Guilty or not...he is in a losing battle with the public's perception of him. I think everyone wants this case to be over and they want someone to blame.

As far as that poster calling him names, it sounds like an ex-gfs' mother. I wonder what she meant by her statement of "again putting her in harms way"? Maybe this is the girl he has been talking to.

[gooniequeen]

The 911 operator asked someone to go in to the room that would be willing to start CPR IF she stopped breathing (according to the parents, she was still breathing) they were told to keep a close watch and to not start CPR as long as she was still breathing, according to the 911 call, that did not happen until after the CPD officer (TJ) arrived at the scene and he began CPR almost immediately.

Yeah but my guess like others have said was the she was NOT breathing all along and Dale's comment "she's trying" was just Erin making death sounds (shudder) Obviously when "TJ" showed up he knew she was not breathing.

Also, I do not think the mother could see into the room - everytime she put the phone down I think she was running in there. So it IS possible that Dale WAS trying to do SOMETHING in the way of CPR like James says. I know if you aske me if anyone in my house knows CPR I'd also say no - however I know my husband would wing it if he had to.

I'm pretty certain Erin was dead when mom made the initial call, but was pronouced dead at the hospital.

[gooniequeen]

Maybe it isn't a gf, but just a friend instead. It appears he doesn't have many of those left or family either. It doesn't matter what he does at this point...he is going to be ridiculed for it. Guilty or not...he is in a losing battle with the public's perception of him. I think everyone wants this case to be over and they want someone to blame.

As far as that poster calling him names, it sounds like an ex-gfs' mother. I wonder what she meant by her statement of "again putting her in harms way"? Maybe this is the girl he has been talking to.


ahhhhhh good guess. Maybe the NEW GF is the OLD GF...

[gooniequeen]

Here's a thought I have in my mind...

Let's say James DID kill Erin. I'm sure it was in a fit of rage, a "crime of passion" where you just snap and rage and adreneline kick in and you dont even realize what you've done til it's too late. (this might explain him screaming for the parents)

But how does one go from that to premediated murder...

I mean what goes on in someones mind where they will set out to kill someone. Climb in their window and murder them, in cold blood.

It is just so facinating to me how some humans can be murderous, while others (I'm int he others category) can't even squish a bug w/o some level of guilt.

[SeriouslySearching]

If we knew where the ex gf was from we could maybe search for a birth announcement or something in a local newspaper. Assuming that james' is listed as the father. Might lead to ex's name. :confused:What is the point of dragging his ex and other child into this?! Do we really want to destroy two children while we bash their father?! If it turns out that James is not the perp...the collateral damage to Alexis has already been done. She will have to grow up knowing all the horrible things that were said and written about her father. If he is guilty...look at what a burden she already has to bear for the rest of her life.

[FormerRichmondRes]

More from the P-I forums . . . someone has been warning people not to accuse in a public forum due to slander/libel . .

thetruthwillcome
"I never claimed I wasn't libel. I will not fight on these forums and further run Kelly and Erin into the ground. Everyone here wants to fight with each other over what they think. That is fine, but carry on without me. I believe what I believe and I will continue to do so. I would like to point out that others have said they also feel he is guilty. I understand that you may not. You are entitled to your view and me mine. If he wants to sue me for all the millions of dollars I'll never have for slander (which I'm not doing...), let him do so. Will it cause me suffering, hassel, and pain? Probably? Will I still feel I am right? You bet. I wasn't Kelly's closest friend by any means, but she was my friend. She thought James killed her sister and I think he killed them both. I will continue to hold this opinion. Nothing will change my mind unless someone else is proven to be guilty. If that is the case, I'll be the first one to appologize to James. Kelly believe with all her heart that James killed Erin. She was silenced, I believe because of this. Who else would have been angry enough to do it? Hate me all you want, argue with my view all you want, threaten to sue all you want. I feel what I feel and I know what opinion I hold.

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/about/glossary-body.shtm
Libel: Harmful remarks, made in writing, that might injure a person’s reputation (could also be in a picture, sign, etc.). Slander refers to the same type of remarks that are made verbally. In both cases, the remarks must be false and the person who makes the oral or written remarks must know those remarks are untrue.

I don't know that my comments are untrue. No one really knows if anyone's comments are true or untrue. We won't really know until someone is arrested and tried in the court of law."

Also . . .

mrm
"Public Court records indicate they have appointed a Guardian Ad Litem to investigate the case for the Stanleys and the guardianship petition, they will get to the bottom of it I am sure if there is a HUGE alcohol problem, I agree that being seen at a Liqour Store does not equal unfit parenting, 75% of Wayne County probably would not have their children if that was the standard."

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=135&sid=3856cad24a5ee38bd93ce47ebbc94848

[Smugshots]

Maybe it isn't a gf, but just a friend instead. It appears he doesn't have many of those left or family either. It doesn't matter what he does at this point...he is going to be ridiculed for it. Guilty or not...he is in a losing battle with the public's perception of him. I think everyone wants this case to be over and they want someone to blame.

As far as that poster calling him names, it sounds like an ex-gfs' mother. I wonder what she meant by her statement of "again putting her in harms way"? Maybe this is the girl he has been talking to.

When I read this I was thinking it was the ex-gf mother posting, and she was saying James has again put her daughter in harms way. Made me wonder what she meant by harms way again? Did something in the past happen with her daughter that put her harms way because of James? The mother of James second baby was murdered, is the mother of his first daughter in danger now too?

[Smugshots]

:confused:What is the point of dragging his ex and other child into this?! Do we really want to destroy two children while we bash their father?! If it turns out that James is not the perp...the collateral damage to Alexis has already been done. She will have to grow up knowing all the horrible things that were said and written about her father. If he is guilty...look at what a burden she already has to bear for the rest of her life.

I agree, I wouldn't mention her name if I found it. I do wonder what her age is though, I wonder if she was young and living at home and he moved in with her and her parents, similiar to what happened with the Stanley's.

[joyfulmorning]

:confused:What is the point of dragging his ex and other child into this?! Do we really want to destroy two children while we bash their father?! If it turns out that James is not the perp...the collateral damage to Alexis has already been done. She will have to grow up knowing all the horrible things that were said and written about her father. If he is guilty...look at what a burden she already has to bear for the rest of her life.
Geez, it was just an idea. I am not trying to bash anyone. I don't want to believe that James is the perp. but the new girlfriend situation causes concern. I was just thinking outloud, I guess. I hope that Alexis grows up knowing that a whole bunch of people cared enough to try to figure out who killed her mommy any aunt and fight for justice for them. Do you honestly think that the police are not asking these questions? I am sure that they are plus many more that we haven't came up with yet. I thought the purpose of this forum was to ask questions. Maybe, I was wrong. Sorry, if I offended you.

[FormerRichmondRes]

Geez, it was just an idea. I am not trying to bash anyone. I don't want to believe that James is the perp. but the new girlfriend situation causes concern. I was just thinking outloud, I guess. I hope that Alexis grows up knowing that a whole bunch of people cared enough to try to figure out who killed her mommy any aunt and fight for justice for them. Do you honestly think that the police are not asking these questions? I am sure that they are plus many more that we haven't came up with yet. I thought the purpose of this forum was to ask questions. Maybe, I was wrong. Sorry, if I offended you.

Joyful -

My belief is that this forum is for us to look at every possible angle - and since we're not hearing anything more on this case, we are all grasping at straws in frustration. No, I don't want the children to be dragged through the mud - but the 4 yo. is Alexis' half sister (as far as we know) and is always going to be connected to this.

The other thing we need to remember is that it is hard to tell people's Tone of Voice (TOV) or actual intended tone when we are typing something. Don't always be quick to assume that someone is upset with your suggestion - the just may be matter-of-factly stating their opinion on the subject, but when typed, it comes out much more harshly then it was meant. :)

FRR

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry, if that came off as being flip or harsh. Bringing in the ex and his other child seems unneccessary.

We are here to discuss every possibility, but unless his exgf has something to do with the deaths...I just don't see how it would help to bring her into it. I just want to protect innocent children while trying to find answers to our hard questions. (While we may not post her name all over...someone else with no scruples might if we lead them to that information. This is my point.)

[dellemma]

The 911 operator asked someone to go in to the room that would be willing to start CPR IF she stopped breathing (according to the parents, she was still breathing) they were told to keep a close watch and to not start CPR as long as she was still breathing, according to the 911 call, that did not happen until after the CPD officer (TJ) arrived at the scene and he began CPR almost immediately.

We have no way of knowing if CPR was tried -- even if it wasn't done right it may have been attempted. I certainly hope that someone attempted CPR at some point before the paramedic arrived, whether they knew the correct way or not.

[joyfulmorning]

[quote=FormerRichmondRes;1716872]Joyful -

My belief is that this forum is for us to look at every possible angle - and since we're not hearing anything more on this case, we are all grasping at straws in frustration. No, I don't want the children to be dragged through the mud - but the 4 yo. is Alexis' half sister (as far as we know) and is always going to be connected to this.

The other thing we need to remember is that it is hard to tell people's Tone of Voice (TOV) or actual intended tone when we are typing something. Don't always be quick to assume that someone is upset with your suggestion - the just may be matter-of-factly stating their opinion on the subject, but when typed, it comes out much more harshly then it was meant. :)

I see what you mean, no problem. :crazy:

[CvilleCit]

I think it's important to take what some people say on here with a grain of salt, because it is hard to tell what their intentions are.
-I don't believe that CPR was being attempted, because of what is said on the 911 recording, but anyone can be wrong with any of this information.
-The new girlfriend seems to be really weird. Which brings me to what seems to be another lie in his interview with PI. When he said he was really devestated.
-It would be really funny to see James and the new gf on something like Dr. Phil.
-I think it was the ex-gf's mother also.-- What she had to say was very interesting.

Take it easy with eachother. We all want justice fot the girls, and the very best for Alexis, and the other child. If that's not what we want we wouldn't be here. We are grasping for any idea. We have tried to pin this on other people, such as the convicted murder .2 miles from the Stanley home, and we can't help it if things always float back to James. We have no other reason to believe someone else did it, or that they died from natural causes. If we did I'm sure we would gladly give every senerio to that person or situation.

[Shamrock]

What new girlfriend are we talking about here?? The last I heard, it was just rumored that James had a new girlfriend. Has that been confirmed and now we know who she is??

[joyfulmorning]

Sorry, if that came off as being flip or harsh. Bringing in the ex and his other child seems unneccessary.

We are here to discuss every possibility, but unless his exgf has something to do with the deaths...I just don't see how it would help to bring her into it. I just want to protect innocent children while trying to find answers to our hard questions. (While we may not post her name all over...someone else with no scruples might if we lead them to that information. This is my point.)

I guess I see your point. There are all kinds of people that read our posts here. You never know what someone would do with the information. Please know that I would never intentionally post anything to place exgf and daughter in danger or cause them discomfort, but you are right, someone else may. :) I understand what you were saying now.

[joyfulmorning]

I agree, I wouldn't mention her name if I found it. I do wonder what her age is though, I wonder if she was young and living at home and he moved in with her and her parents, similiar to what happened with the Stanley's.
I guess this was more along the lines of the information I was after. I was just curious about her situation with James, rather than her name. History has a way of repeating itself, and usually it is worse than before.

[joyfulmorning]

I think it's important to take what some people say on here with a grain of salt, because it is hard to tell what their intentions are.
-I don't believe that CPR was being attempted, because of what is said on the 911 recording, but anyone can be wrong with any of this information.
-The new girlfriend seems to be really weird. Which brings me to what seems to be another lie in his interview with PI. When he said he was really devestated.
-It would be really funny to see James and the new gf on something like Dr. Phil.
-I think it was the ex-gf's mother also.-- What she had to say was very interesting.

Take it easy with eachother. We all want justice fot the girls, and the very best for Alexis, and the other child. If that's not what we want we wouldn't be here. We are grasping for any idea. We have tried to pin this on other people, such as the convicted murder .2 miles from the Stanley home, and we can't help it if things always float back to James. We have no other reason to believe someone else did it, or that they died from natural causes. If we did I'm sure we would gladly give every senerio to that person or situation.

Thanks CvilleCit, you are so sweet. :D New g/f is so Dr. Phil isn't it? I think he should get right on that. Can you imagine what Dr Phil would say to James regardless of if the was guilty or not!

[dellemma]

Maybe the father gave Erin a couple of puffs of air like the mom did and that's what James is considering CPR.

911. Ok, but she is breathing some?

Mother. Yeah I turned her on her side because she sounds like she’s got, you know, mucous in her throat and I tried to give her a couple puffs of air. But it, like I said, it sounds like mucous in the throat and she just...

911 Ok, do you know how to do CPR?

Mother. No

911. Ok Does anyone in the house know how to do it?

Mother. No

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1689954&postcount=417

Thank you Samiya for transcribing the 911 call.

[Smugshots]

I guess this was more along the lines of the information I was after. I was just curious about her situation with James, rather than her name. History has a way of repeating itself, and usually it is worse than before.

It kind of seems like it was the same type of scenario where he moved in with the ex-gf and her parents. There's a few new posts on the Pal-Item that appear to be from ex-gf's mother.

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&start=150&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

[greeneyz]

A few years ago my best friends husband died of a sudden heart attack, it was she who found him, she called 911 and could not bring herself to even attempt CPR on him, the operator tried to get her to go check and make sure he was not breathing and was asking other questions about his vitals etc and all my friend could do was cry and say "I can't" over and over....we have talked about that quite a bit and to see someone you love dead or dying can make people react in ways they'd never dream of. On Labor Day of this year my sister in law also died suddenly, her husband called 911 and told us he could not bring himself to go back into the bedroom after he initially found her. So in all fairness I do not find Lonny's reactions or responses to be that odd considering she was just woke up at 5 am to find out her daughter was possibly dead or dying. It's easy to THINK what you would do I suppose, trust me when I heard both of these stories I started to think well "I would have done this or that" etc but I guess until it actually happens to you, you just really don't know how you would react.

[SeriouslySearching]

Go listen to the 911 call of the father that just learned his two daughters were drowned and then listen to the 911 call in this case. One is wraught with emotion and the other seems void of it. This could just be the difference between the way people react, but it shows two complete extremes.

[notfaraway]

A few snip- its from pal item with Nanaroundu ( ex gf mom)
She deffently has a bad feeling for James

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&start=150

Bully asks:
Nanarondu, you said he has put your daughter in harms way again, did something happen in the past that put her in harms way because of him?

Trying to understand.

nanarondu

no he didnt put her in harms way when he was here but with this sisuations i feel anything could be possible and i fear for her and my grandchild. that is why im trying to think of all possibilities. im not saying he was abusive to her but he sure wasnt any help in raising the baby. sure they had there arguments but everyone dose it is in how you solve the arguments. he is a messed up kid!!!!!!!


Bully
I do wonder if he really got up to get the baby because she was crying when Erin didn’t wake to get her

nanarondu

if he did get up for the baby that is a shock to me, he was probley in a mood if he did.

Bully
Has James ever had a job? From those that know him that have posted he sounds like a mooch, being a mooch doesn’t make you a killer but it sure says a lot about your character when you have two children and no job and no place to live.


nanarondu
when he was here he had two good jobs that we got for him and that was a mistake because he didnt keep any of them. he worked at one job for almost a year and then he quit and told us that he got fired which was a lie he quit because he got his butt chewed out for messing things up and he walked out. temper!temper! he hasent had a steady job in the 7 or 8 years that i have known the kid !!!!!!!

[joyfulmorning]

It kind of seems like it was the same type of scenario where he moved in with the ex-gf and her parents. There's a few new posts on the Pal-Item that appear to be from ex-gf's mother.

http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&start=150&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=


There are some really interesting posts today. Ex gf's mom sounds like she knows him well.

[greeneyz]

Go listen to the 911 call of the father that just learned his two daughters were drowned and then listen to the 911 call in this case. One is wraught with emotion and the other seems void of it. This could just be the difference between the way people react, but it shows two complete extremes.

I do agree that the mothers voice does sound flat and emotionless but then again I think maybe that is just how her personality is. When my sister in law was found dead on Labor Day my mother in law was very "matter of fact" throughout everything, even the funeral, and I have no doubt that she loved her daughter, it was her first born child and they were very close. When she called here to tell us she asked my husband if she could speak to me so that I could be the one to tell him, and her conversation with me was NOT emotional on her part AT ALL, it was very to the point. Do I think that makes her a cold and uncaring individual? No I do not. My other two sister in laws are VERY emotional and did not take the news well at all, as they were told I watched my mother in law remain very calm and to the point...I really think it is a personility thing.

[joyfulmorning]

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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=63136#63136)Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:01 pm Post subject: Nana, in your opinion if he did do this and I say "IF" what do you think could have been a motive for it? (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=150#top)


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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=63138#63138)Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:15 pm Post subject: i would say that the parents are fed up with him and his bull and they say he had to go and that made him angery. angery enough to to kill i dont know because i dont dont know what he is into these days. there are alot of factors there because so much can happen in two years. maybe he got caught in one of his many lies?????????
This was just posted on Pal Item forum : Interesting.

[Taximom]

(from thetruthwillcome)
"I never claimed I wasn't libel. I will not fight on these forums and further run Kelly and Erin into the ground. Everyone here wants to fight with each other over what they think. That is fine, but carry on without me. I believe what I believe and I will continue to do so. I would like to point out that others have said they also feel he is guilty. I understand that you may not. You are entitled to your view and me mine. If he wants to sue me for all the millions of dollars I'll never have for slander (which I'm not doing...), let him do so.

As Greta said last night RE: HKStern vs. Rita Cosby...You have to have a reputation in the first place to ruin. lol

Stay safe whoever you are, truthwillcome. :blowkiss:

[Shamrock]

Some of those posts from the pal-item drive me nuts. Can these people spell or at least attempt a normal sentence?? I can't even understand some of what they're trying to say!! I'm not the grammar police by any means, I make mistakes when I'm typing too, but man oh man!!

[gooniequeen]

I think many of them are young kids and they are typing like they all do on MySpace...drives us old folk mad.

[Shamrock]

I think many of them are young kids and they are typing like they all do on MySpace...drives us old folk mad.

I know, it really does!! I have young kids and I will teach them NOT to type/write that way if they want to live under my roof :D!!!!

UGH!! :banghead:

[gooniequeen]

i have a 13 y/o boy and when i spy on his MySpace messages I have to say I'm quite proud that he uses proper english. :bang:

[FormerRichmondRes]

I know, it really does!! I have young kids and I will teach them NOT to type/write that way if they want to live under my roof :D!!!!

UGH!! :banghead:

Amen! :banghead:

[richmond1998]

Off the subject, but my writing pet peeves are using "there" instead of "they're" and "your" instead of "you're"...I'm also a nerd though.

[Shamrock]

Off the subject, but my writing pet peeves are using "there" instead of "they're" and "your" instead of "you're"...I'm also a nerd though.

Me too. There was a whole thread about this sort of thing in the Jury Room. If you're a nerd for that, I'm a nerd as well. That stuff bugs me!!

[Shamrock]

Does anyone know if this case is being covered on any of the shows tonight? NG, LKL, Greta, etc? It just seems like we've gone so long with little or no new information.

[gooniequeen]

Anyone ever read - Eats shoots and leaves?

[SeriouslySearching]

I was going to say proper use of the English language is off topic, but after reading some of the posts put in the local rag...I don't place much stock into anything they are saying. If they were educated and showed at least a minimal sign they had mastered the English language...I might feel differently.

[gooniequeen]

If they made a movie about this it might be something like "Waiting for Guffman" meets Truman Capote's "In Cold Blood"...

all joking aside, this is boardering on nuts that they cannot arrest someone. it's been over a month since Erin's death and in a few days will be over a month for Kelly.

The only thing I can assume, like others have said, they are missing a crucial piece of the puzzle and just waiting for James to open mouth insert foot....or perhaps someone else we're unaware of yet.

[dellemma]

Here are two fairly short video clips I found on Fox discussing this case. The first video I have listed has that small portion of the unedited 911 call we had been discussing in the last thread.


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100207/100207_live_twins&Live_Desk&Death%2520Mystery&Death%2520Mystery&US&-1&News&217&&&new


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100107/100107_lineup_twins&The_Lineup&Twin%2520Tragedy&Twin%2520Tragedy&US&-1&News&280&&&new

[gooniequeen]

Here are two fairly short video clips I found on Fox discussing this case. The first video I ahve listed has that small portion of the unedited 911 call we had been discussing in the last thread.


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100207/100207_live_twins&Live_Desk&Death%2520Mystery&Death%2520Mystery&US&-1&News&217&&&new


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100107/100107_lineup_twins&The_Lineup&Twin%2520Tragedy&Twin%2520Tragedy&US&-1&News&280&&&new

neither work for me :(

[dellemma]

See if you can get them to work directly from the web site...

http://search2.foxnews.com/search?access=p&getfields=*&output=xml_no_dtd&sort=date%3AD%3AS%3Ad1&ie=UTF-8&client=my_frontend&filter=0&site=video&proxystylesheet=my_frontend&q=Stanley

[CaliKid]

Me neither.

[CvilleCit]

the direct link worked for me. :)

[Busylady]

I have no clue if James did this or not I am still sitting on the fence, something just doesnt sit right about the parents with me. I don't think i will ever be able to get over the 911 call. Plus one article states Dale was the one who made the 911 call regarding Kelly, yet other articles state it was Lonny. What I find amazing is all the post on the pal (think thats what it is called) with all the people that knew Kelly Erin, and James. The one that really sticks out is the one who said she was a friend to Kelly not a best friend but a friend, yet Kelly told her she was sure James killed Erin? I am just wondering how much of the post are simply rumor and not facts. Does James really have a new girlfriend who knows, was he seen eating at a restaurant with a girl therefore its rumored he is seeing someone already? The people who are posting all this information, obviously don't care for James and they may have good reasons but once again im just wondering how much is rumor and emotions and not fact.

[dellemma]

Thanks for letting me know CvilleCit!

[CvilleCit]

At first the 911 call shocked me. I was thrown by the calmness in her voice, however, after I walked away for about 12 hours and listened to it again it sounded different. I believe at first I was expecting something loud and harsh, and when I realized that's not the way it was I could listen to it in a different light. I think that you can hear the fear in their mom's voice. You can hear her gasping for words and air. Trying to stay calm, and get as much info to the 911 op. as possible. I don't know if that's how I would react, but I don't know. I don't have any children, but I know that when I was younger my mom had to be taken to the hospital, and it was just me and my mother. I was in the living room and could hear her teeth cattering from her bedroom. I went in there and tried to see what was wrong with her. I ended up calling my grandma. I stayed calm, because I just needed to get some help for her. There was nothing I could do. The goal was to get her to the hospital. When we got there they said she was mins away from dieing. I am anything but heartless. I'm actually very emotional, but when it comes to the safty of other people I stay calm and try to do whatever I have to. I no longer see an issue with the 911 call, because it makes sense. As far as I'm concerned the parents are in the clear.

You're welcome Dell

[SeriouslySearching]

Small towns have a rumor mill that I am quite familiar with and I know a lot of things being said have no merit. One huge story can grow out of a sentence into a paragraph then into a novel very quickly...when the first sentence was based on nothing more than speculation. The real story is going to come from the facts.

[Indiana at Heart]

I just hope this comes to light soon. These has went on too long!!

[Indy Gal]

:blowkiss: My beautiful 16 yr old daughter was killed in a road accident 1 year ago. I alternated between desperate panic and dead calmness. When I hear this mother on the phone, I can almost understand her. It is very hard to know how any person will react/respond when faced with such a horror as your daughter dying..
I am so sorry for you loss

[Indy Gal]

Here's a thought I have in my mind...

Let's say James DID kill Erin. I'm sure it was in a fit of rage, a "crime of passion" where you just snap and rage and adreneline kick in and you dont even realize what you've done til it's too late. (this might explain him screaming for the parents)

But how does one go from that to premediated murder...

I mean what goes on in someones mind where they will set out to kill someone. Climb in their window and murder them, in cold blood.

It is just so facinating to me how some humans can be murderous, while others (I'm int he others category) can't even squish a bug w/o some level of guilt.
Just remember though, at this point we dont know kellys COD. That is what is driving me crazy!!!!

[Indy Gal]

:confused:What is the point of dragging his ex and other child into this?! Do we really want to destroy two children while we bash their father?! If it turns out that James is not the perp...the collateral damage to Alexis has already been done. She will have to grow up knowing all the horrible things that were said and written about her father. If he is guilty...look at what a burden she already has to bear for the rest of her life.
This is so true SS. BTW that is why in none of my posts, I dont think, I have not posted the daughters name.

[Indy Gal]

Go listen to the 911 call of the father that just learned his two daughters were drowned and then listen to the 911 call in this case. One is wraught with emotion and the other seems void of it. This could just be the difference between the way people react, but it shows two complete extremes.
Speaking of that SS I hope I never ever in my life have to listen to something that hard again in my life. I was crying as soon as that call started. Sorry for being off topic.

Also Please know that we have a great group here. While catching up I have read some things and just want to say. We are all here for the same reason I hope. That being said, we are bound to be emotional here. Lets just all stay together. IMO we should not post these kids myspaces. I have thought about it and maybe we can pm it to each other. Again that is JMO and I am just a little poster here, not a mod. I never want that job....LOL We are really a great group. No one IMO will be mad at anyone for posting what we feel, just dont want to bring possible innocent people into this crazy circus.

WTF Is with a Guardian Li? I forgot but I thought that was to see what is in the best intrest of the child? Why would that be needed here? Maybe because he doesnt have a job or house?

[Indy Gal]

Here are two fairly short video clips I found on Fox discussing this case. The first video I have listed has that small portion of the unedited 911 call we had been discussing in the last thread.


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100207/100207_live_twins&Live_Desk&Death%2520Mystery&Death%2520Mystery&US&-1&News&217&&&new


http://www.foxnews.com/video2/player06.html?100107/100107_lineup_twins&The_Lineup&Twin%2520Tragedy&Twin%2520Tragedy&US&-1&News&280&&&new
Thanks DELL!! I hadnt heard that one yet!

[Indy Gal]

I have no clue if James did this or not I am still sitting on the fence, something just doesnt sit right about the parents with me. I don't think i will ever be able to get over the 911 call. Plus one article states Dale was the one who made the 911 call regarding Kelly, yet other articles state it was Lonny. What I find amazing is all the post on the pal (think thats what it is called) with all the people that knew Kelly Erin, and James. The one that really sticks out is the one who said she was a friend to Kelly not a best friend but a friend, yet Kelly told her she was sure James killed Erin? I am just wondering how much of the post are simply rumor and not facts. Does James really have a new girlfriend who knows, was he seen eating at a restaurant with a girl therefore its rumored he is seeing someone already? The people who are posting all this information, obviously don't care for James and they may have good reasons but once again im just wondering how much is rumor and emotions and not fact.
I dont even read them anymore. Sorry but there is a whole lot of rumor there mixed with a little fact! At least how I feel

BTW busy:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

[Indy Gal]

Where is everyone??????

[dancer_girl]

i have been wondering the same thing...its getting quiet on here tonight.

[dellemma]

WTF Is with a Guardian Li? I forgot but I thought that was to see what is in the best intrest of the child? Why would that be needed here? Maybe because he doesnt have a job or house?



A guardian ad litem would be appointed here to represent the interests of the minor child. They would advocate for the child to be with the person who would be in the child's best interest. In this case, I believe the Stanley's are wanting to either establish legal guardianship or maintain legal guardianship. In this case, both James McFarland and the Stanleys will be slinging mud at each other. A guardian ad litem will look at both sides and then make a determination which person/s will be in the best interest and in turn will represent that to a judge . The GAL is not beholden to either the parent/s, current guardians or even the state. They are strictly to represent (after coming to a determination) what will be in the child's best interest.

[Indy Gal]

I love and care for each person on this thread, I can honestly say that!! Do you know abouth the people they lived with in Ohio? I think it said Amanda and Craig? Also can you get on erins myspace and maybe capture some shots for us. Some here have been waiting a long time for that.

[SeriouslySearching]

WTF Is with a Guardian Li? I forgot but I thought that was to see what is in the best intrest of the child? Why would that be needed here? Maybe because he doesnt have a job or house?
A Guardian Ad Litem is appointed by the court and becomes the minor child's advocate in the legal system. He/she reports to the Judge directly and is essentially the only representative for the child. The Guardian Ad Litem is legally bound only to the child and is working for the best interest of the child. In other words, he/she is objective in the case and doesn't take sides. Does this make sense now?

[Indy Gal]

A guardian ad litem would be appointed here to represent the interests of the minor child. They would advocate for the child to be with the person who would be in the child's best interest. In this case, I believe the Stanley's are wanting to either establish legal guardianship or maintain legal guardianship. In this case, both James McFarland and the Stanleys will be slinging mud at each other. A guardian ad litem will look at both sides and then make a determination which person/s will be in the best interest and in turn will represent that to a judge . The GAL is not beholden to either the parent/s, current guardians or even the state. They are strictly to represent (after coming to a detremination) what will be in the child's best interest.
Thanks for explaining to me. I must admit the first thing I thought of was anna nicole.....sorry...LOL

[dellemma]

I love and care for each person on this thread, I can honestly say that!!

I just went to spend time with my hubby! Honestly, I've seen a couple posts now alluding to some high emotions or small conflict on here and I haven't seen any posts at all that struck me as such. I don't take it personally if someone disagrees with me. There will be people disagreeing on every issue or case on a message board like this. I've been a member of Websleuths off and on (under all of it's previous monikers) for close to 10 years and I can promise you that's just the very nature of message boards.