Wanted-Chester Stiles-Video Taped rape of 3 yr old child! NV Thread 7

[Jeana (DP)]

Carry on folks.

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[KOOL LOOK]

I don't understand something. We know all the names, we respectfully do not use M's name, but the mothers name is going to be made public sooner than later so why is it we can't say her name and have to refer to her as M's mother? I personally don't know her name, I've been off the boards for a few days, but I just don't see why it appears to be kept as if it's a secret here at websleuths. I do understand we don't want to victimize her, bash her, etc...

What is the harm in just calling her by first name only for discussion purposes? I don't see the harm in a first name only basis, am I correct in understanding she also has a myspace page too like the allens? I'm just asking, I don't know? I'm really behind, it sure didn't take long either on this case to get way behind. Thanks anyone for helping me out, I don't mean to be a pain.

[Al_B]

In 2001, the father of Stiles' then-girlfriend, Tina Allen, called and reported to police that he was suspected of child molestation and sexual assault.
http://lasvegas.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleView&articleId=2842288&_action=validatearticle

so Tina had some idea back in 2001 what her man was like and still exposed all those babies to him.

[Indy Gal]

THANKS JEANA!!!



As i cant say what i really want to as I value this board, I will say TINA needs to be locked up right there with him

[Al_B]

one can only hope she is arrested with him and not let out for turning states on him

[Indy Gal]

one can only hope she is arrested with him and not let out for turning states on him
Lets hope honey lets hope!!


I am lost did someone see CTM recently?

[Dryad]

And how stupid can she be? She keeps repeating in interviews..."All of his girlfriends were older than him"...:rolleyes:

Well, of course they were....that means they probably had small children at home. I'm sure he has a string of victims along his traveled path of ex-girlfriends. It's not because he found them irresistable, just a convenient opportunity. Some women are so caught up in the ego trip, that they sacrifice innocent lives.

[Indy Gal]

And how stupid can she be? She keeps repeating in interviews..."All of his girlfriends were older than him"...:rolleyes:

Well, of course they were....that means they probably had small children at home. I'm sure he has a string of victims along his traveled path of ex-girlfriends. It's not because he found them irresistable, just a convenient opportunity. Some women are so caught up in the ego trip, that they sacrifice innocent lives.
All I keep telling myself is what kind of mother would do this to another mother???????

[Al_B]

thats what I am searching for now I know yesterday I read a blog but can't find it now from one of the reporters and it something about him being see in a couple of casinos one person said he had long blond hair and another said he was bald but I don't think it's reliable.
but so far nothing just that little article not finding to much news on him

[Indy Gal]

thats what I am searching for now I know yesterday I read a blog but can't find it now from one of the reporters and it something about him being see in a couple of casinos one person said he had long blond hair and another said he was bald but I don't think it's reliable.
but so far nothing just that little article not finding to much news on him
Thanks I thought is was from the news, so it is possible it was not CTM then.

WHERE ARE YOU MONSTER!!!! We will find you just give up already!

[Al_B]

And how stupid can she be? She keeps repeating in interviews..."All of his girlfriends were older than him"...:rolleyes:

Well, of course they were....that means they probably had small children at home. I'm sure he has a string of victims along his traveled path of ex-girlfriends. It's not because he found them irresistable, just a convenient opportunity. Some women are so caught up in the ego trip, that they sacrifice innocent lives.
well some older women have young kids but a lot are the grandma and therefore he has access to the grandkids and it is:sick:
I know most of the people where I live that are my age have kids my kids age and some of the kids my kids age have babies(not mine won't have it forced them to be resposible drove them to pp, my kids are 16,15 and 6 and was referring the older 2 but just shows and I just turned 37)
which is alarming

[Tom'sGirl]

Lets hope honey lets hope!!


I am lost did someone see CTM recently?

Indy, CTM ?

[dee10134]

In 2001, the father of Stiles' then-girlfriend, Tina Allen, called and reported to police that he was suspected of child molestation and sexual assault.
http://lasvegas.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleView&articleId=2842288&_action=validatearticle

so Tina had some idea back in 2001 what her man was like and still exposed all those babies to him.

Key word, "the father!" Why the hell wasn't Tina Allen calling the police to report this sh!t. I bet that happened under her watch too!

If there is a single link between all of these occurrences is that Tina Allen is involved in one way or another.

[Al_B]

exactly she can't be that blind she knows way more then she is letting on.

[Indy Gal]

Indy, CTM ?
He has no name to me other than Cheaster the molester or monster sorry if i confused you

[Tom'sGirl]

He has no name to me other than Cheaster the molester or monster sorry if i confused you
Chester Arthur Stiles, or as we have been posting CAS

[blaize]

I don't understand something. We know all the names, we respectfully do not use M's name, but the mothers name is going to be made public sooner than later so why is it we can't say her name and have to refer to her as M's mother? I personally don't know her name, I've been off the boards for a few days, but I just don't see why it appears to be kept as if it's a secret here at websleuths. I do understand we don't want to victimize her, bash her, etc...

What is the harm in just calling her by first name only for discussion purposes? I don't see the harm in a first name only basis, am I correct in understanding she also has a myspace page too like the allens? I'm just asking, I don't know? I'm really behind, it sure didn't take long either on this case to get way behind. Thanks anyone for helping me out, I don't mean to be a pain.

Hello KOOL LOOK, you're not being a pain at all.

After LE found "M" they requested that the family be given privacy as they were all considered to be victims. That extends to not naming "M" or any of her direct family because this could unfortunately lead to them being found directly in RL and on the web and lead to further victimization & /or harassment.

If it's easier maybe we could refer to the mom as MMom rather than use her first name?

I hope that's of some help.

[alpharee]

In 2001, the father of Stiles' then-girlfriend, Tina Allen, called and reported to police that he was suspected of child molestation and sexual assault.
http://lasvegas.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleView&articleId=2842288&_action=validatearticle

so Tina had some idea back in 2001 what her man was like and still exposed all those babies to him.

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Beffie]

Has anyone heard if Tina has talked to LE yet? Has anyone heard anything from her? Haven't seen her telling her lies to anyone with a camera and microphone in the past few days.

[Tom'sGirl]

Hello KOOL LOOK, you're not being a pain at all.

After LE found "M" they requested that the family be given privacy as they were all considered to be victims. That extends to not naming "M" or any of her direct family because this could unfortunately lead to them being found directly in RL and on the web and lead to further victimization & /or harassment.

If it's easier maybe we could refer to the mom as MMom rather than use her first name?

I hope that's of some help.
That was the request of Nye County, not clark County and they were referring to the victim and her mother.

Tina and Todd Allen have not only been mentioned in the news, they have appeared in interviews.

[Indy Gal]

Chester Arthur Stiles, or as we have been posting CAS
Again sorry if I confused ya. I have been saying that for a while now. What can I make for CAS......Cocky(?) A$$ Sucker. Ok I will use CAS.:blowkiss:

[Tom'sGirl]

Has anyone heard if Tina has talked to LE yet? Has anyone heard anything from her? Haven't seen her telling her lies to anyone with a camera and microphone in the past few days.

My guess would be that yes, she more than likely has been questioned by LE and that information has not been made public.

[blaize]

That was the request of Nye County, not clark County and they were referring to the victim and her mother.

Tina and Todd Allen have not only been mentioned in the news, they have appeared in interviews.

Hello Tom'sGirl, I thought KOOL LOOK was referring to the victim's mother?

[Beffie]

My guess would be that yes, she more than likely has been questioned by LE and that information has not been made public.

Thanks, last I heard they couldn't find her. I hope they hooked the lie detector up to her, and it shocked her every time she lied. :dance:

[Tom'sGirl]

Again sorry if I confused ya. I have been saying that for a while now. What can I make for CAS......Cocky(?) A$$ Sucker. Ok I will use CAS.:blowkiss:

I know you have, but the name of this case in the Forum is: Wanted-Chester Stiles-Video Taped rape of 3 yr old child! NV

[Beffie]

Again sorry if I confused ya. I have been saying that for a while now. What can I make for CAS......Cocky(?) A$$ Sucker. Ok I will use CAS.:blowkiss:

I love that name for him. :clap:

[KOOL LOOK]

Hello Tom'sGirl, I thought KOOL LOOK was referring to the victim's mother?


You were right Blaize, thanks too. It does help to do it the way you mentioned. It just kept buggin me for some reason to keep reading m's mom, it was just one of those things I guess.

Thanks, I like your suggestion lots.

[cheko1]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Indy LMAO!


Again sorry if I confused ya. I have been saying that for a while now. What can I make for CAS......Cocky(?) A$$ Sucker. Ok I will use CAS.:blowkiss:

[Indy Gal]

You were right Blaize, thanks too. It does help to do it the way you mentioned. It just kept buggin me for some reason to keep reading m's mom, it was just one of those things I guess.

Thanks, I like your suggestion lots.
Would it help if called her jane doe? jane for short?

[Indy Gal]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Indy LMAO!
YAY I made someone laugh today. I havent in a couple days...

[blaize]

You were right Blaize, thanks too. It does help to do it the way you mentioned. It just kept buggin me for some reason to keep reading m's mom, it was just one of those things I guess.

Thanks, I like your suggestion lots.
Welcome KOOL LOOK. And yes it does look odd & impersonal but it's just safer that way.

Hopefully Stiles will soon be apprehended.

[Tom'sGirl]

Hello Tom'sGirl, I thought KOOL LOOK was referring to the victim's mother?

LOL, I was responding to your post where you said


"That extends to not naming "M" or any of her direct family"


Tina and Todd are direct family.............

Sorry for the confusion if I caused any!

[blaize]

Would it help if called her jane doe? jane for short?

Lol Indy, you just want to confuse everyone even more.

[KOOL LOOK]

Would it help if called her jane doe? jane for short?


I don't know, I just feel she has a name, hasn't anything to be ashamed of, guiltless, and it just seems to hell with the way criminals has caused the innocent to have to live, act and re-act. To Hell with them and the system. This mother has a name given at birth and it's something to be proud of and to be honored.

Blankity Blank for the way crime has caused the innocent to have to change everything about them, instead of the criminals watching every single thing they do with a fine tooth comb. Just seems twisted.

[Tom'sGirl]

Lol Indy, you just want to confuse everyone even more.

:D :laugh: :D :laugh:

[Indy Gal]

Lol Indy, you just want to confuse everyone even more.Hey I am just trying to help out Kool. LOL That would be confusing though....scratch that thought

BTW good job with those photos:blowkiss:

[blaize]

LOL, I was responding to your post where you said



Tina and Todd are direct family.............

Sorry for the confusion if I caused any!

No problem Tom'sGirl.

[blaize]

Hey I am just trying to help out Kool. LOL That would be confusing though....scratch that thought

BTW good job with those photos:blowkiss:

Thanks Indy.


I understand the point KOOL LOOK is making though that it seems the innocent victims and their families get treated in a more depersonalised way than the actual criminals do.

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Indy.


I understand the point KOOL LOOK is making though that it seems the innocent victims and their families get treated in a more depersonalised way than the actual criminals do.
I didnt think of it that way. Thanks for pointing that out!!

[cheko1]

:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: You sure made me laugh! Thank you I needed that today!


YAY I made someone laugh today. I havent in a couple days...

[blaize]

I didnt think of it that way. Thanks for pointing that out!!
Thanks & welcome Indy.

I find that someone on websleuth's is always offering me a different perspective on one thing or another, not that I always agree but it's often gives me pause for thought and an appreciation for the other's person's point of view.

I seriously hope they catch Stiles soon.

[CityPea]

In 2001, the father of Stiles' then-girlfriend, Tina Allen, called and reported to police that he was suspected of child molestation and sexual assault.
http://lasvegas.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleView&articleId=2842288&_action=validatearticle

so Tina had some idea back in 2001 what her man was like and still exposed all those babies to him. So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?

Sure, Tina. Hope you look good in orange, hon.

[blaize]

So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?

Sure, Tina. Hope you look good in orange, hon.

Right CityPea. This guy is a real piece of work.

I bet he's the type who boasted about aspects of his criminal past, just like his empty navy seal and survivalist bragging, to puff himself up in Tina's eyes & to make himself feel the big man. :sick:

[Source (http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7144168)]

Chester Stiles has a long arrest record in Las Vegas dating back eight years.

He is currently wanted by Metro for lewdness with a child under 14 years of age. That warrant was issued in April of 2006.

Metro also sent us this long list of other arrests. In April of 2003 Stiles was arrested for conspiracy to commit grand larceny auto. Three years earlier he was arrested for a series of crimes from resisting a public officer to domestic violence.

In June of 1999 Stiles was arrested on several charges including obstructing a police officer and assault with a deadly weapon and battery domestic violence.

Stiles has the following arrest record through the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department:

04/2003 - Conspiracy to Commit Grand Larceny Auto

05/2001 - Leaving the Scene of an Accident

04/2001 - Grand Larceny and Auto Burglary

02/2001 - Contempt of Court

02/2001 - Probation Violation - C.C.W.,Battery-Domestic Violence, False Information to a Police Officer, Resisting a Public Officer, Battery by a Prisoner (2 CTS)

06/1999 - Aiming a firearm

06/1999 - Possession of an Unregistered Firearm, Resisting a Police Officer, Obstructing a Police Officer, Assault with a Deadly Weapon and Battery Domestic Violence.

[Tom'sGirl]

So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?

Sure, Tina. Hope you look good in orange, hon.

Even Tina's mom made a public statement on 10-01-07 to the press about how she felt about Stiles.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10174791.html

[Al_B]

I say we reverse everything Tina has ever spewed forth in regards CAS and that will be more to the truth in this situation

[MsPooh]

snipped from article....
But at her Las Vegas home, Allen's mother, 65-year-old Nola Krause, said Monday she always had a bad feeling about Stiles. Krause said she made it clear to Stiles that she was not, going to be civil toward him, so Stiles stayed away from the family's house when she was there.
"I did not like him. He was not a person I cared to have around," she said from her Las Vegas home.

Poor lady, I wish her daughter had followed suit!

[MsPooh]

I say we reverse everything Tina has ever spewed forth in regards CAS and that will be more to the truth in this situation

Starting with "I thought he would be a good role model for my children"?

[MsPooh]

A Las Vegas woman who said she is Stiles' former girlfriend told ABC's "Good Morning America (http://www.inform.com/Good+Morning+America)" on Monday that he is a master of deception who fooled her for at least a decade.


This is my all time favorite quote here, fruit loop wasn't fooled at all...LOL Master of Deception!Yeah

[cheko1]

snipped from article....
But at her Las Vegas home, Allen's mother, 65-year-old Nola Krause, said Monday she always had a bad feeling about Stiles. Krause said she made it clear to Stiles that she was not, going to be civil toward him, so Stiles stayed away from the family's house when she was there.
"I did not like him. He was not a person I cared to have around," she said from her Las Vegas home.

Poor lady, I wish her daughter had followed suit!

Smart lady for sure!!!!!
He just looks like a creep...

[Al_B]

A Las Vegas woman who said she is Stiles' former girlfriend told ABC's "Good Morning America (http://www.inform.com/Good+Morning+America)" on Monday that he is a master of deception who fooled her for at least a decade.


This is my all time favorite quote here, fruit loop wasn't fooled at all...LOL Master of Deception!Yeah
She wasn't fooled one bit she allowed and ignored it.
Then she thinks she is helping by spreading what she already knows to be lies argh.
what is wrong with her

[dee10134]

So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?

Sure, Tina. Hope you look good in orange, hon.

The mugshot where his face is all scratched to hell is probably from the resisting arrest and battery by a prisoner charges..... :D I'm glad to see the cops possibly got a punch or two back at him.

[cheko1]

A Las Vegas woman who said she is Stiles' former girlfriend told ABC's "Good Morning America (http://www.inform.com/Good+Morning+America)" on Monday that he is a master of deception who fooled her for at least a decade.


This is my all time favorite quote here, fruit loop wasn't fooled at all...LOL Master of Deception!Yeah

Master of Deception!!! Yep, Tina sounds like the only person he fooled was you. Your folks knew better, your son knew better & your still sitting in the dark ages!!! GO FIGURE!!!!

[blaize]

Even Tina's mom made a public statement on 10-01-07 to the press about how she felt about Stiles.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10174791.html

Tina's mother made it clear Stiles wasn't welcome around her so Tina knew people close to her were getting seriously bad vibes about the guy. And Tina's dad felt strongly enough to suspect stiles of child molestation & to report him to LE.

Come on now Tina, just how stupid do you think people are?

[Source (http://www.lvrj.com/news/10174791.html)]
Allen's mother, 65-year-old Nola Krause, said Monday she always had a bad feeling about Stiles. Krause said she made it clear to Stiles that she was not, going to be civil toward him, so Stiles stayed away from the family's house when she was there.
"I did not like him. He was not a person I cared to have around," she said from her Las Vegas home.

[Source (http://lasvegas.cox.net/cci/newslocal/local?_mode=view&view=LocalNewsArticleView&articleId=2842288&_action=validatearticle)]

According to the Review-Journal" Stiles may of assaulted a third victim. In 2001, the father of Stiles' then-girlfriend, Tina Allen, called and reported to police that he was suspected of child molestation and sexual assault. Stiles was arrested in that incident and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner and other charges.

[dee10134]

Master of Deception!!! Yep, Tina sounds like the only person he fooled was you. Your folks knew better, your son knew better & your still sitting in the dark ages!!! GO FIGURE!!!!

I don't think Tina was fooled. I think she WANTED a bad boy. I think she KNEW whole heartedly what she was getting into. She loved him so much to put up with all of the crap he's been dishing her for 10 YEARS!

Now she's trying to backtrack and justify WHY she allowed such a creep around her children and grandchildren by making up all these lies first about how "great" of a "family guy" he was then in the same breath saying how violent he was. On one hand he's a "great lover" and the next is into "sex shows." S

She goes from one extreme to the next.... :bang:

[MsPooh]

I don't think Tina was fooled. I think she WANTED a bad boy. I think she KNEW whole heartedly what she was getting into. She loved him so much to put up with all of the crap he's been dishing her for 10 YEARS!

Now she's trying to backtrack and justify WHY she allowed such a creep around her children and grandchildren by making up all these lies first about how "great" of a "family guy" he was then in the same breath saying how violent he was. On one hand he's a "great lover" and the next is into "sex shows." S

She goes from one extreme to the next.... :bang:

I have a feeling that bad boy is going to sing like a canary when caught
about her possible involvement...I mean what does the devil do when he gets the best of someone?

[Shari_Gal]

The apartments 4550 Karen Avenue Las Vegas, where the assault by CAS upon M occured (& probably the 2003 assault by CAS on the 6 year old girl also), is on the Nevada Housing Division list of low income subsidized family apartments:

link to TANF family apartments list:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:rslfch07HbcJ:nvhousing.state.nv.us/pr/family%2520units%2520southern%2520nevada.htm+4550+ karen+avenue+family&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a (http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:rslfch07HbcJ:nvhousing.state.nv.us/pr/family%2520units%2520southern%2520nevada.htm+4550+ karen+avenue+family&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a)

Here are 2 reviews of the same Karen Avenue apartments:

http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments.html
04/13/2007has potential (http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments-609558.html)NO2.0 At one time this complex was very very nice but now it is over run with loud thump thump music and people using the "N" and "F" words. When it went from asigned to open parking was really a bad ... more (http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments-609558.html)

04/06/2003Undesireable (http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments-123955.html)NO2.0 This place rent to anybody. Way too many unattended kids. Too much in and out traffic of non-residence. More rules than the projects. Courtesy Patrol rarely shows up. Too many gangsters.

[pooky169]

I have been on here posting in the Indiana Teen Girls thread and decided to check this thread out. I hope he is apprehended soon he is a very sick man that needs to be off the streets our children will not be safe until it happens. I checked out the photo thread of him and the altered pics with different hairstyles one caught my eye if you kinda look at him with the spiky hair alteration he kinda looks a lil like Ty Pennington fron extreme home makeover.
I hope he is caught I live in Indiana and I work in a very public out of the way kind of place at a rest area on the highway as a custodian there so I will keep my eyes open for him ya never know where he may be or where he may end up so I will have to be aware.

[dkitty]

I don't think Tina was fooled. I think she WANTED a bad boy. I think she KNEW whole heartedly what she was getting into. She loved him so much to put up with all of the crap he's been dishing her for 10 YEARS!

Now she's trying to backtrack and justify WHY she allowed such a creep around her children and grandchildren by making up all these lies first about how "great" of a "family guy" he was then in the same breath saying how violent he was. On one hand he's a "great lover" and the next is into "sex shows." S

She goes from one extreme to the next.... :bang:

It's not gonna surprise me if she is the one holding the camera..

[Mygirlsadie]

Eww I wouldnt even consider CAS a 'bad boy' I would consider him a disgusting creepy loser! I think Tina probably took whatever she could get..





I don't think Tina was fooled. I think she WANTED a bad boy. I think she KNEW whole heartedly what she was getting into. She loved him so much to put up with all of the crap he's been dishing her for 10 YEARS!

Now she's trying to backtrack and justify WHY she allowed such a creep around her children and grandchildren by making up all these lies first about how "great" of a "family guy" he was then in the same breath saying how violent he was. On one hand he's a "great lover" and the next is into "sex shows." S

She goes from one extreme to the next.... :bang:

[Busylady]

Maybe I missed something but how do we know the assault on M occurred at the Karen Avenue address?

[Shari_Gal]

Maybe I missed something but how do we know the assault on M occurred at the Karen Avenue address?

The Karen Avenue address is the apartments where where Tina resided, is the one Las Vegas address listed for CAS.

M's mother lived with M in another apartment unit at the same address which she shared with Stephani.

[dee10134]

The apartments 4550 Karen Avenue Las Vegas, where the assault by CAS upon M occured (& probably the 2003 assault by CAS on the 6 year old girl also), is on the Nevada Housing Division list of low income subsidized family apartments:

link to TANF family apartments list:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:rslfch07HbcJ:nvhousing.state.nv.us/pr/family%2520units%2520southern%2520nevada.htm+4550+ karen+avenue+family&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Here are 2 reviews of the same Karen Avenue apartments:

http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments.html
04/13/2007has potential (http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments-609558.html)NO2.0 At one time this complex was very very nice but now it is over run with loud thump thump music and people using the "N" and "F" words. When it went from asigned to open parking was really a bad ... more (http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments-609558.html)

04/06/2003Undesireable (http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/NV-Las-Vegas-Desert-View-Apartments-123955.html)NO2.0 This place rent to anybody. Way too many unattended kids. Too much in and out traffic of non-residence. More rules than the projects. Courtesy Patrol rarely shows up. Too many gangsters.

Now that's funny because according to Tina Allen, Chester Stiles was NOT living at the apartment with M's mom, M, Stephani, and Todd. BUT if you do a search on residences for Chester Stiles, you will see that there is a record for Chester Stiles living at 4550 Karen Ave. in Las Vegas.... So WAS he living there with everyone????

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM....

[dee10134]

Eww I wouldnt even consider CAS a 'bad boy' I would consider him a disgusting creepy loser! I think Tina probably took whatever she could get..

You know what I mean by "bad boy." One of those wannabe thugs that treats women like scum to get what they want. Some women find losers like that irresistable. They make me want to barf. :sick:

[dee10134]

The Karen Avenue address is the apartments where where Tina resided, is the one Las Vegas address listed for CAS.

M's mother lived with M in another apartment unit at the same address which she shared with Stephani.

Yeah but didn't they say that the attack occurred in the apartment that Todd, Stephani, M, and M's mother lived in?

[cheko1]

I don't think Tina was fooled. I think she WANTED a bad boy. I think she KNEW whole heartedly what she was getting into. She loved him so much to put up with all of the crap he's been dishing her for 10 YEARS!

Now she's trying to backtrack and justify WHY she allowed such a creep around her children and grandchildren by making up all these lies first about how "great" of a "family guy" he was then in the same breath saying how violent he was. On one hand he's a "great lover" and the next is into "sex shows." S

She goes from one extreme to the next.... :bang:

A friend of mine & I were talking about her today. We came to the conclusion that if she broadcasts how violent he is.........how he is never going to be taken alive / carries weapons / a severe threat to society so if he made a wrong move once LE catches him that LE would shoot & kill him. That then he couldn't sing like a canary to LE & have her arrested for participating in the rape......

[Shari_Gal]

Maybe if Tina admitted he lived at her apartment she would lose some sort of welfare benefits.

[Mygirlsadie]

Yeah I do know what you mean! I wouldnt mind if a real life gangster/thug got ahold of CAS though and taught him a lesson.





You know what I mean by "bad boy." One of those wannabe thugs that treats women like scum to get what they want. Some women find losers like that irresistable. They make me want to barf. :sick:

[dee10134]

Maybe if Tina admitted he lived at her apartment she would lose some sort of welfare benefits.


GREAT POINT! If she was on Section 8 and had any unauthorized persons living in the apartment, then she could lose her apartment subsidy. At least that's the way it is here in IL.

[SieSie]

From Thread #6, Post #271 (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1719192&postcount=271)
OT hey siesie do you know anyone who can do age proggession photos?

Indy, unfortunately, I don’t know anyone that can do age progression.

Thanks, last I heard they couldn't find her. I hope they hooked the lie detector up to her, and it shocked her every time she lied. :dance:
:woohoo: Wouldn't that be cool?? :D

So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?

Sure, Tina. Hope you look good in orange, hon.
:eek:
This is horrible news, isn't it? Who knows how many other innocent victims he has out there. He needs to be caught, and I'm hoping he doesn't have someone near him who could be held hostage - he's not going to go down without a fight, and I am soooooo ready for him to go down!!! :furious:

BTW – Welcome, CityPea!

[Tom'sGirl]

Yeah but didn't they say that the attack occurred in the apartment that Todd, Stephani, M, and M's mother lived in?

Yes they did

[dkitty]

Maybe if Tina admitted he lived at her apartment she would lose some sort of welfare benefits.

haha..Good one:D

[angarella]

The thing is Tina admitted on the AMW interview about CAS's abuse to her as far back as 2001. And yet, she stayed with him. She also witnessed CAS "clocking" his ex in front of her (Tina). She knew he was no good at least as far back as 2001, yet she chose to stay involved. So, Lord only knows what else she was involved with or knew about.

[Shari_Gal]

Yeah but didn't they say that the attack occurred in the apartment that Todd, Stephani, M, and M's mother lived in?

A recent news report said that the attack on M occurred while the mother was away at work, so M was probably attacked in her mom's apartment, remember Stephani recognizing the sheets?

Perhaps Tina was babysitting M at the time of the assault

[dee10134]

Yeah I do know what you mean! I wouldnt mind if a real life gangster/thug got ahold of CAS though and taught him a lesson.

I'd pay to watch that!:crazy:

[Al_B]

so same complex different apartment numbers
so he had access to lot's of little girls

[dee10134]

Indy, unfortunately, I don’t know anyone that can do age progression.


:woohoo: Wouldn't that be cool?? :D


:eek:
This is horrible news, isn't it? Who knows how many other innocent victims he has out there. He needs to be caught, and I'm hoping he doesn't have someone near him who could be held hostage - he's not going to go down without a fight, and I am soooooo ready for him to go down!!! :furious:

BTW – Welcome, CityPea!

There are ways to do it using Photoshop. I have Adobe Photoshop CS (and the related software packages in the CS suite). It's the professional package.

Anyways, I could attempt doing it, but I don't know if it's all for naught, since the latest mug shot is from 2004. I don't think a whole lot would change about his general age appearance in just 3 years... Basically, hair length, beard/moustache length, weight, could change, but the general appearance around the eyes and mouth would still remain the same IMHO.

[dee10134]

A recent news report said that the attack on M occurred while the mother was away at work, so M was probably attacked in her mom's apartment, remember Stephani recognizing the sheets?

Perhaps Tina was babysitting M at the time of the assault

Tina already admitted that, I believe.

[Busylady]

Maybe im just not following this, how do we know Tina lived at the Karen address? I can't find any directories that list Todd, Stephani, or Tina every living at the Karen address.

[Indy Gal]

There are ways to do it using Photoshop. I have Adobe Photoshop CS (and the related software packages in the CS suite). It's the professional package.

Anyways, I could attempt doing it, but I don't know if it's all for naught, since the latest mug shot is from 2004. I don't think a whole lot would change about his general age appearance in just 3 years... Basically, hair length, beard/moustache length, weight, could change, but the general appearance around the eyes and mouth would still remain the same IMHO.
For this case, trying to help out chris! http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54060

[Tom'sGirl]

There are ways to do it using Photoshop. I have Adobe Photoshop CS (and the related software packages in the CS suite). It's the professional package.

Anyways, I could attempt doing it, but I don't know if it's all for naught, since the latest mug shot is from 2004. I don't think a whole lot would change about his general age appearance in just 3 years... Basically, hair length, beard/moustache length, weight, could change, but the general appearance around the eyes and mouth would still remain the same IMHO.

Not 2004, but rather 1999
[/URL]
[URL="http://fe12.news.re3.yahoo.com/photo/070928/480/919e62e0cc9b42d4b0f64bd9c2ce84f2"]AP Photo: (http://fe12.news.re3.yahoo.com/photo/070928/480/919e62e0cc9b42d4b0f64bd9c2ce84f2) In this 1999 booking photo provided by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Friday, Sept 28,...

[dkitty]

Not 2004, but rather 1999
[/URL]
[URL="http://fe12.news.re3.yahoo.com/photo/070928/480/919e62e0cc9b42d4b0f64bd9c2ce84f2"]AP Photo: (http://fe12.news.re3.yahoo.com/photo/070928/480/919e62e0cc9b42d4b0f64bd9c2ce84f2) In this 1999 booking photo provided by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Friday, Sept 28,...

God he's ugly.

[Shari_Gal]

Maybe im just not following this, how do we know Tina lived at the Karen address? I can't find any directories that list Todd, Stephani, or Tina every living at the Karen address.

The Karen Avenue address is Nevada Housing Division Family apartments

CAS Las Vegas address is listed as 4550 Karen Avenue, yet he couldn't have rented at 4550 Karen since it's family housing, so he would've been staying at the apartments with Tina, who could rent there

LVMPD did go looking for CAS there once the case moved from Nye County to Las Vegas.

[Busylady]

The Karen address is where the mother of his son lived and that is who the domestic violence charges occurred against. So its a possibility that he lived with his son and the mother of his son during that time.

[capps]

Thanks Indy.


I understand the point KOOL LOOK is making though that it seems the innocent victims and their families get treated in a more depersonalised way than the actual criminals do.

That may be,but that's the way the family wants it,they requested it. They could have gone the way of Natalie Holloway's mom,and been on tv with their name in the media,but they chose not to.So knowing the family demands that privacy,it doesn't seem that impersonal to me.

[capps]

Lol Indy, you just want to confuse everyone even more.

It was confusing! With the threads going so fast,I couldn't read them all,and then suddenly a CTM was being thrown around,and I found myself back tracking the posts because I thought there was a new player in the case,and missed it,until I figured out what CTM stood for.

Indy stop it!!! :)

[WhiteWolf]

A friend of mine & I were talking about her today. We came to the conclusion that if she broadcasts how violent he is.........how he is never going to be taken alive / carries weapons / a severe threat to society so if he made a wrong move once LE catches him that LE would shoot & kill him. That then he couldn't sing like a canary to LE & have her arrested for participating in the rape......



HA! I*m thinking the same thing, cheko1. I*m not sure she participated in the rape, but she sure doesn*t want everyone to know she probably facilitated it.

[KOOL LOOK]

Thanks Indy.


I understand the point KOOL LOOK is making though that it seems the innocent victims and their families get treated in a more depersonalised way than the actual criminals do.


Exactly Blaize. It just upsets me. A mother's name should be plastered everywhere for being a mother, it's a highly honorable thing to have done, to bring life into this world. Now, she has to cover and try to keep it private because of the very thing she should feel good about herself for, having this little girl.

Stiles and Tina has also stolen Motherhood innocence, that should be added to the charges. Tina's all over tv talking about her five kids, m's mom can't go around telling anyone, what a sick twisted unfair predicament to be in.

How was your motherhood? Oh well, it sucked! I pray the Lord gives them double for their troubles, she and little Patience deserve it.

[Shari_Gal]

The Karen address is where the mother of his son lived and that is who the domestic violence charges occurred against. So its a possibility that he lived with his son and the mother of his son during that time.

There are lots of families at the Karen Avenue address, maybe Tina & Stephanie lived at the same apartments?

[KOOL LOOK]

That may be,but that's the way the family wants it,they requested it. They could have gone the way of Natalie Holloway's mom,and been on tv with their name in the media,but they chose not to.So knowing the family demands that privacy,it doesn't seem that impersonal to me.

There's also a difference in making a practical wise decision based on circumstances than following your heart and living life joyfully and without evil having visited it in such a horrid way as to feel this is the only good choice for them.


A thought just occurred, ummmmmmmm, giving birth sort of all of a sudden takes personal private moments to an all time show and tell seems like the whole world gets to watch when the little bundle comes out. Privacy just grew wings and flew away. :crazy:

[Shari_Gal]

Zabasearch shows a record of Chester Stiles at the 4550 Karen Avenue address as of 2005, at least.

[WhiteWolf]

Zabasearch shows a record of Chester Styles at the 4550 Karen Avenue address as of 2005, at least


Thanks, Shari Gal, for all of your good research. :)

I thought Tina had her own apartment which Chester probably shared. Then Todd, Stephani, MMom, and M shared another apartment in the same complex. Is that right?

[philamena]

So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?

Sure, Tina. Hope you look good in orange, hon.

She keeps digging herself in deeper and deeper. It makes me sick that she suspected CAS of child molestation in 2001. Yep.....orange is a good color or Tina.

[LMax]

"Sources close to the investigation say police have Chester Stiles' thumb print on evidence collected in this case"

"I would not call him Mr. Stiles. Let's call him what he is -- Chester the Molester," said Klaas. Klaas is glad the girl is safe. Now, he says, time is critical to prevent Stiles from hurting another child.
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7176289

[concernedperson]

I would have hoped he could be caught by now. This is taking too long or am I impatient again? Seriously, this guy needs to be locked up soon.

[LMax]

Stiles indicted on 18 counts http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=49286

[dkitty]

Stiles indicted on 18 counts http://www.amw.com/fugitives/brief.cfm?id=49286

Wow...God, I hope he is caught soon!!!!!!

[Taximom]

From the AMW link above.

Stiles Indicted On 18 Counts

NEW DEVELOPMENTS: While the nationwide manhunt for Chester Stiles continues, Las Vegas authorities have announced that the suspected child rapist now faces 10 counts of sexual assault and 8 counts of lewdness with a minor. The 18 counts only pertain to the case involving Stiles' alleged videotaped sexual abuse of a three-year-old girl.


These are just from the assault on M. :(

[SuziQ]

If Grandpa called LE in 2001, I'm thinking the victim is probably a family member. Why weren't charges sought in that case?

[CityPea]

Welcome, CityPea!


Many thanks. :)

[Tom'sGirl]

So, Tina's father, who later died, suspected CAS of child molestation and sexual assault all the way back in 2001? And CAS was hauled in as a result of his report to the police and charged with resisting arrest, battery by a prisoner, and other charges? And Tina had no idea?


The incident was logged on Stiles rap sheet, however not as a sexual assualt. I do remember Tina in one of her interviews mentioning the battery incident was against her daughter.02/2001 - Probation Violation - C.C.W.,Battery-Domestic Violence, False Information to a Police Officer, Resisting a Public Officer, Battery by a Prisoner (2 CTS)

[Indiana at Heart]

We need to find this man before he hurts another child!

[SuziQ]

The incident was logged on Stiles rap sheet, however not as a sexual assualt. I do remember Tina in one of her interviews mentioning the battery incident was against her daughter.02/2001 - Probation Violation - C.C.W.,Battery-Domestic Violence, False Information to a Police Officer, Resisting a Public Officer, Battery by a Prisoner (2 CTS)

I'm not sure what charges are related to which person. But I think the incident with the ex-wife and the gun held on Stephanie is in those charges somewhere. At least that's what I understand from Tina's AMV interview. I could be wrong though. So who was the third victim of sexual assault and I would really like to know why charges weren't filed.

ETA: I've been looking at this too long. There are two domestic related charges. The one in 1999 involved assault with a deadly weapon.

[Shamrock]

Zabasearch shows a record of Chester Styles at the 4550 Karen Avenue address as of 2005, at least

His last name is spelled Stiles.

[Shari_Gal]

His last name is spelled Stiles.

:o Thanks, I knew that (whoops, misspelling on my part.):doh:

[Shamrock]

:o Thanks, I knew that (whoops, misspelling on my part.):doh:

No biggey!! Just want to make sure when we're searching this guy out, we have the right guy!! :)

[Tom'sGirl]

:o Thanks, I knew that (whoops, misspelling on my part.):doh:

You just make a littletypo, no biggie, the info. you posted was correct as per Zaba...........


CHESTER STILES
4550 KAREN AVE Recorded: 09/01/2005 (http://www.zabasearch.com/redirects/addresslink_redir.php?a=4550 KAREN AVE&c=LAS VEGAS&s=NV&z=89121)
LAS VEGAS, NV 89121

[lizzybeth]

Now that's funny because according to Tina Allen, Chester Stiles was NOT living at the apartment with M's mom, M, Stephani, and Todd. BUT if you do a search on residences for Chester Stiles, you will see that there is a record for Chester Stiles living at 4550 Karen Ave. in Las Vegas.... So WAS he living there with everyone????

Things that make you go HMMMMMMMMM....

I mentioned waaay back in one of the other threads that there's an entry in Todd's journal where he's upset that his "roommates" have allowed their drug dealer to move into their place.

He doesn't mention names and sorry I don't have a link. It's there if anyone wants to go back and look through his journal.

[teedie2]

I mentioned waaay back in one of the other threads that there's an entry in Todd's journal where he's upset that his "roommates" have allowed their drug dealer to move into their place.

He doesn't mention names and sorry I don't have a link. It's there if anyone wants to go back and look through his journal.

http://tinyurl.com/3a2l4p

He does say that everyone he can stay with wants money for him to stay there, even his own family, lololol!

Makes you wonder, tho. This was pretty soon after he went back to Vegas for his grandfather's funeral.

Some people seem to live their entire lives in pure HE!!. I can't imagine living like that. I hope these young people are able to break away, if they really want[/I] to.

[Busylady]

Thought it might help to list the charges all in one place
9/12/1996 - child custody
1/9/1998 - domestic violence (mother of his son)
5/8/1998 - domestic violence (mother of son)
7/8/1999 - aiming/discharging firearm at human being
carrying a concealed weapon
5/11/2000 - domestic violence (mother of son)
3/22/2001 - battery on police officer - substantial bodily harm - resisting
arrest
4/25/2001 - grand larceny of motor vehicle
12/03/2003 - indecent acts with minor

There is probably more out there, but Clark County is the only one that seems to have public access to court records.

[SeriouslySearching]

Why can't they find this creep?! GRRRRR! Time for Metro to deal with the public and media more!!! WAKE UP, LE!

[lizzybeth]

http://tinyurl.com/3a2l4p

He does say that everyone he can stay with wants money for him to stay there, even his own family, lololol!

Makes you wonder, tho. This was pretty soon after he went back to Vegas for his grandfather's funeral.

Some people seem to live their entire lives in pure HE!!. I can't imagine living like that. I hope these young people are able to break away, if they really want[/i] to.

Makes you realize just how low Tina really is. She's moving a possible pedophile/drug dealer (CAS) into the home where her son, daughter, friend and her little girl and possibly her grandchildren live. If she didn't actually think that he would harm them in some way then she's dumber than she appears (and that's pretty dumb). Worse, would be if she did know and put her needs and wants ahead of their safety.

Somebody please find that sack o' sh&t today!

[dkitty]

Tina is bound to know where this scum is...:mad:

[Indiana at Heart]

Makes you realize just how low Tina really is. She's moving a possible pedophile/drug dealer (CAS) into the home where her son, daughter, friend and her little girl and possibly her grandchildren live. If she didn't actually think that he would harm them in some way then she's dumber than she appears (and that's pretty dumb). Worse, would be if she did know and put her needs and wants ahead of their safety.

Somebody please find that sack o' sh&t today!


Some people always put thier needs before thier own children. My ex for years but the needs and wants of his new wife before our own two sons. Sons are now 16 and 18 and they know now that dad always put step moms needs first and always took her side in everything! I never said a thing to my boys as they have to find out on thier own and they did and still to this dad step mom comes first. He hasn't seen our 18 yr in two years seen our 16 this summer and 16 yr old said Mom I'm not going back!

Some women I know living in a Army town always but thier husband needs before the children. The 3rd ID where I live most of these husband are oversea right now and they let the kids run wild so they can party and then they wonder why the children are in trouble with the law and why the children grow up and stay in trouble all they can say is it's cause dad in Iraq!! Wake up parents it's our job to raise them not the streets.

Chester needs to be found before he hurts another little girl!!!!!!!

[LorinMarie]

Morning everyone. I thought for sure today would be the day I woke up and they would have him in custody. I am wondering if he is hiding out in the woods long enough for the heat to die down. Little does he know it never will and the second he shows his ugly face he's all done for. Just thinking about what they would do to a loser like this in jail.....

[believe09]

Good Morning-
Today HAS to be the day...Devlin is going to plead guilty rather than putting those poor boys through a trial (see Shawn Hornbeck thread), the doping scandal that has been making our athletes false heroes for years is finally unravelling, the stars have to be aligning-I just want to know why CAS's picture isn't everywhere...is it having more play in the West where he is thought to be??

[dottierainbow]

How many of you have had a MySpace for your child under the age of 12? Yes, this baby is the victim! I don't understand as I went to a cached Myspace of Todd's that this victim had her own Myspace. She is just a small child! It has been removed as of now. I'm thankful for that but why did she need one in the 1st place?

[LorinMarie]

How many of you have had a MySpace for your child under the age of 12? Yes, this baby is the victim! I don't understand as I went to a cached Myspace of Todd's that this victim had her own Myspace. She is just a small child! It has been removed as of now. I'm thankful for that but why did she need one in the 1st place?

I personally do not have myspace pages for my children, I agree they are too young. I do have a friend that has a page for her 11 year old. It is private and I think she has friends on it from school. When I was that age I didn't need the computer to talk with my friends, I just had them all over and drove my mom nuts :)

[angarella]

Not trying to cause any waves here. But I do know a lot of people that have kids under the age of 12 that have MySpace accounts. I am not saying that I agree that it is a good thing, but it is reality. I would hope that anyone that young that has one, that it would be set to private. :(

[angarella]

Good Morning-
Today HAS to be the day...Devlin is going to plead guilty rather than putting those poor boys through a trial (see Shawn Hornbeck thread), the doping scandal that has been making our athletes false heroes for years is finally unravelling, the stars have to be aligning-I just want to know why CAS's picture isn't everywhere...is it having more play in the West where he is thought to be??

I so hope that you are right believe09!

Good news about Devlin!

[Jaded]

Key word, "the father!" Why the hell wasn't Tina Allen calling the police to report this sh!t. I bet that happened under her watch too!

If there is a single link between all of these occurrences is that Tina Allen is involved in one way or another.

Why haven't they caught this POS yet?

[DawnTCB]

... and then they wonder why the children are in trouble with the law and why the children grow up and stay in trouble

This is something that has been on my mind with this case... I don't have any reason to think my thoughts will help find this POS, which is why I haven't posted them. But it keeps occurring to me how close to the edge of the law it seems Tina was, and still is maybe. And how irritated it makes me when she says POS deserved an academy award, because from the outside it seems to obvious to us how horrible he was.

<deep breath>
By themselves, I don't necessarily think the actions of this mother are horrible... being into S&M doesn't make you a bad parent (as another poster pointed out). Smoking dope at a party which is adults only doesn't make you a bad parent... presumably if you have properly taken care of your children and it isn't too frequent. Partying on the lake... living in a bad part of town... having close friends in the sex trade... none of those are inherently bad, and good people are living that life every day I am sure. But it seems to me that at some point a person gets too accustomed to the "seedy" side... the lines get blurred... and it becomes more difficult to determine good from evil. So when a man comes along who "loves" you... and provides some income and companionship and acts like you are wonderful... I guess it would become easier to overlook that he was ACCUSED of child molesting. (Note, I do think he was guilty of the charges before Patience. But I don't think Tina knew. Yet.) It would be easier to forgive his pointing a gun at your daughter or throwing your son up against a wall.

Our former next door neighbors had a tumultuous relationship. They had fights involving a lot of violence between each other, although it seemed they left their two sons out of it. There was a lot of alcohol involved most time. Several times I watched the mother throw herself across the hood of the father's car as he sped out of the driveway after an argument. Many times she was tossed to the ground and laid there, bleeding and crying. But she never threw him out. They always made up.

They let their sons smoke cigarettes when they were 14. I caught the older son smoking pot in the woods one day when he was 15. By himself. They let their older son drive without a permit, by himself, at 14. They let the younger son drive alone at 12. When the older one got caught, they apologized to the police and then rolled their eyes to me when he left... clearly the son is capable of driving! Why were the police hassling them? they asked me.

Eventually the older son straightened up and the younger one got worse... he grew pot in OUR backyard and when I went to his parents they were shocked AT ME... surely I didn't think their son could be a law breaker! Later he got pulled over at 14 driving, so they took the license plate off "his" car... so he came and took a plate off of our car in the night. Ended up before we moved he had a DUI... at 15 years old, and wrapped his car around a tree. He lived, but his mother cried to me, "I don't understand how this happened!"

I tried to comfort her... her son was in the hospital and facing a long stint in JD... but I was mulling over, how do you not understand? And as a parent, how do you draw the line? If she scoffs at the tobacco laws and the driver's license requirements... not to mention put up with assault on a regular basis, how would her child know which laws are important to obey and which can be ignored? And clearly there was lawless behavior she could ignore, both from her husband and her sons, and probably from herself.

I know there are several posters who have said something along the lines of "My mom was a Tina too"... and I truly feel for you. :blowkiss: I think there is a pattern of life where people consistently cross the line between legal and illegal... just a little... and eventually they don't know where the line is any more. Through the grace of God, I didn't have any Tinas in my immediate family but I have seen them IRL. I don't condemn them, exactly, but I wish I could make them see.

From the pictures I have seen, Patience seems "happy"... she seems to have an extended group of family and friends and to be provided with many opportunities to have fun and be a kid. Just the fact that there ARE pictures of her taken say something to me. If no one cares about you, they are not going to take your picture to show their friends. There seem to be many people that love her. This comforts me.

But I am concerned about Tina, because I think she has lived on that edge of the law too long. She doesn't seem to have any understanding of appropriateness or good or bad. And I think from the photos and postings and blogs that there are other people in that group who are living on the edge too. And that frightens me.

Ok that's my thought on this. I hope that POS is found today and that Patience's mother is granted the brains and the means to help Patience through this and the rest of her life.

Dawn

[Indiana at Heart]

This is something that has been on my mind with this case... I don't have any reason to think my thoughts will help find this POS, which is why I haven't posted them. But it keeps occurring to me how close to the edge of the law it seems Tina was, and still is maybe. And how irritated it makes me when she says POS deserved an academy award, because from the outside it seems to obvious to us how horrible he was.

<deep breath>
By themselves, I don't necessarily think the actions of this mother are horrible... being into S&M doesn't make you a bad parent (as another poster pointed out). Smoking dope at a party which is adults only doesn't make you a bad parent... presumably if you have properly taken care of your children and it isn't too frequent. Partying on the lake... living in a bad part of town... having close friends in the sex trade... none of those are inherently bad, and good people are living that life every day I am sure. But it seems to me that at some point a person gets too accustomed to the "seedy" side... the lines get blurred... and it becomes more difficult to determine good from evil. So when a man comes along who "loves" you... and provides some income and companionship and acts like you are wonderful... I guess it would become easier to overlook that he was ACCUSED of child molesting. (Note, I do think he was guilty of the charges before Patience. But I don't think Tina knew. Yet.) It would be easier to forgive his pointing a gun at your daughter or throwing your son up against a wall.

Our former next door neighbors had a tumultuous relationship. They had fights involving a lot of violence between each other, although it seemed they left their two sons out of it. There was a lot of alcohol involved most time. Several times I watched the mother throw herself across the hood of the father's car as he sped out of the driveway after an argument. Many times she was tossed to the ground and laid there, bleeding and crying. But she never threw him out. They always made up.

They let their sons smoke cigarettes when they were 14. I caught the older son smoking pot in the woods one day when he was 15. By himself. They let their older son drive without a permit, by himself, at 14. They let the younger son drive alone at 12. When the older one got caught, they apologized to the police and then rolled their eyes to me when he left... clearly the son is capable of driving! Why were the police hassling them? they asked me.

Eventually the older son straightened up and the younger one got worse... he grew pot in OUR backyard and when I went to his parents they were shocked AT ME... surely I didn't think their son could be a law breaker! Later he got pulled over at 14 driving, so they took the license plate off "his" car... so he came and took a plate off of our car in the night. Ended up before we moved he had a DUI... at 15 years old, and wrapped his car around a tree. He lived, but his mother cried to me, "I don't understand how this happened!"

I tried to comfort her... her son was in the hospital and facing a long stint in JD... but I was mulling over, how do you not understand? And as a parent, how do you draw the line? If she scoffs at the tobacco laws and the driver's license requirements... not to mention put up with assault on a regular basis, how would her child know which laws are important to obey and which can be ignored? And clearly there was lawless behavior she could ignore, both from her husband and her sons, and probably from herself.

I know there are several posters who have said something along the lines of "My mom was a Tina too"... and I truly feel for you. :blowkiss: I think there is a pattern of life where people consistently cross the line between legal and illegal... just a little... and eventually they don't know where the line is any more. Through the grace of God, I didn't have any Tinas in my immediate family but I have seen them IRL. I don't condemn them, exactly, but I wish I could make them see.

From the pictures I have seen, Patience seems "happy"... she seems to have an extended group of family and friends and to be provided with many opportunities to have fun and be a kid. Just the fact that there ARE pictures of her taken say something to me. If no one cares about you, they are not going to take your picture to show their friends. There seem to be many people that love her. This comforts me.

But I am concerned about Tina, because I think she has lived on that edge of the law too long. She doesn't seem to have any understanding of appropriateness or good or bad. And I think from the photos and postings and blogs that there are other people in that group who are living on the edge too. And that frightens me.

Ok that's my thought on this. I hope that POS is found today and that Patience's mother is granted the brains and the means to help Patience through this and the rest of her life.

Dawn


AMEN Dawn :twocents: I 2nd you

[capps]

This is something that has been on my mind with this case... I don't have any reason to think my thoughts will help find this POS, which is why I haven't posted them. But it keeps occurring to me how close to the edge of the law it seems Tina was, and still is maybe. And how irritated it makes me when she says POS deserved an academy award, because from the outside it seems to obvious to us how horrible he was.

<deep breath>
By themselves, I don't necessarily think the actions of this mother are horrible... being into S&M doesn't make you a bad parent (as another poster pointed out). Smoking dope at a party which is adults only doesn't make you a bad parent... presumably if you have properly taken care of your children and it isn't too frequent. Partying on the lake... living in a bad part of town... having close friends in the sex trade... none of those are inherently bad, and good people are living that life every day I am sure. But it seems to me that at some point a person gets too accustomed to the "seedy" side... the lines get blurred... and it becomes more difficult to determine good from evil. So when a man comes along who "loves" you... and provides some income and companionship and acts like you are wonderful... I guess it would become easier to overlook that he was ACCUSED of child molesting. (Note, I do think he was guilty of the charges before Patience. But I don't think Tina knew. Yet.) It would be easier to forgive his pointing a gun at your daughter or throwing your son up against a wall.

Our former next door neighbors had a tumultuous relationship. They had fights involving a lot of violence between each other, although it seemed they left their two sons out of it. There was a lot of alcohol involved most time. Several times I watched the mother throw herself across the hood of the father's car as he sped out of the driveway after an argument. Many times she was tossed to the ground and laid there, bleeding and crying. But she never threw him out. They always made up.

They let their sons smoke cigarettes when they were 14. I caught the older son smoking pot in the woods one day when he was 15. By himself. They let their older son drive without a permit, by himself, at 14. They let the younger son drive alone at 12. When the older one got caught, they apologized to the police and then rolled their eyes to me when he left... clearly the son is capable of driving! Why were the police hassling them? they asked me.

Eventually the older son straightened up and the younger one got worse... he grew pot in OUR backyard and when I went to his parents they were shocked AT ME... surely I didn't think their son could be a law breaker! Later he got pulled over at 14 driving, so they took the license plate off "his" car... so he came and took a plate off of our car in the night. Ended up before we moved he had a DUI... at 15 years old, and wrapped his car around a tree. He lived, but his mother cried to me, "I don't understand how this happened!"

I tried to comfort her... her son was in the hospital and facing a long stint in JD... but I was mulling over, how do you not understand? And as a parent, how do you draw the line? If she scoffs at the tobacco laws and the driver's license requirements... not to mention put up with assault on a regular basis, how would her child know which laws are important to obey and which can be ignored? And clearly there was lawless behavior she could ignore, both from her husband and her sons, and probably from herself.

I know there are several posters who have said something along the lines of "My mom was a Tina too"... and I truly feel for you. :blowkiss: I think there is a pattern of life where people consistently cross the line between legal and illegal... just a little... and eventually they don't know where the line is any more. Through the grace of God, I didn't have any Tinas in my immediate family but I have seen them IRL. I don't condemn them, exactly, but I wish I could make them see.

From the pictures I have seen, Patience seems "happy"... she seems to have an extended group of family and friends and to be provided with many opportunities to have fun and be a kid. Just the fact that there ARE pictures of her taken say something to me. If no one cares about you, they are not going to take your picture to show their friends. There seem to be many people that love her. This comforts me.

But I am concerned about Tina, because I think she has lived on that edge of the law too long. She doesn't seem to have any understanding of appropriateness or good or bad. And I think from the photos and postings and blogs that there are other people in that group who are living on the edge too. And that frightens me.

Ok that's my thought on this. I hope that POS is found today and that Patience's mother is granted the brains and the means to help Patience through this and the rest of her life.

Dawn

Good post Dawn,but I have to admit that you are a more compassionate and forgiving person then I am.

I am fully aware of families that are down on their luck,or had a life time full of hard knocks,and are willing to turn their heads with certain things they probably should not have,but this is different.

If my boyfriend ever pointed a gun in the face of my daughter,or threw my young son against a wall,hard knocks or not,he would be out of my life so fast his head would be spinning.Just those two,and with Tina there were so many other things.

I see a woman who didn't care about what was going on aound her,and took the selfish easy route,by letting this sick moron continue in her and her childrens life.

When does one stop making excuses for people like her...when is enough ..enough.

[Indiana at Heart]

Good post Dawn,but I have to admit that you are a more compassionate and forgiving person then I am.

I am fully aware of families that are down on their luck,or had a life time full of hard knocks,and are willing to turn their heads with certain things they probably should not have,but this is different.

If my boyfriend ever pointed a gun in the face of my daughter,or threw my young son against a wall,hard knocks or not,he would be out of my life so fast his head would be spinning.Just those two,and with Tina there were so many other things.

I see a woman who didn't care about what was going on aound her,and took the selfish easy route,by letting this sick moron continue in her and her childrens life.

When does one stop making excuses for people like her...when is enough ..enough.


Yeah like the old saying. "Step up to the plate and be a man about it"

[SeriouslySearching]

Excellent post, Dawn. You are right about no boundaries and a blatent disregard for the law. I have seen it in many families myself. Makes me want to smack the parents!

I have to agree with Capps on the the part where Tina allowed such abuse of her children. Nobody is allowed to threaten or touch my children. Of course, we don't know if she physically abused or threatened them right along with him tho.

Since that post is so long...could we possibly refrain from reposting it over and over tho? This thread is going to get a lot longer when that POS is caught!! (Wouldn't it be GREAT if it happened today?!)

[Indiana at Heart]

Yeah I'm sorry to long of a Post. Can't wait for AMW tonight his face will be in millions of living rooms tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[angarella]

Great post Dawn! Thank you.

Let's pray this guys if found today!!!!!!

[Indy Gal]

Dawn, great post!!!!

[Taximom]

Yes, Dawn, great post.

It still worries me that M "appears" to be happy. Who wouldn't be happy when swimming in the lake with family and friends?!

I think Tina said that "she's been happier lately" or something to that effect in her first interview. (please someone help me here!)

We don't have a clue as to when the abuse stopped, do we? Anyway, I worry about her tremendously and will keep her and any other victims of CTM/CAS in my prayers. (and I'm not asking for a discussion about M, just commenting)

[SeriouslySearching]

The only problem I have with AMW is they seem to not have gotten the story quite right! I have seen a lot of mistakes in their reporting. They locked into the "survivalist & Navy Seal" garbage spewing from Tina and how dangerous this creep is. We know this is ridiculous. They need to recheck their facts before they go on air tonight.

[Tom'sGirl]

The only problem I have with AMW is they seem to not have gotten the story quite right! I have seen a lot of mistakes in their reporting. They locked into the "survivalist & Navy Seal" garbage spewing from Tina and how dangerous this creep is. We know this is ridiculous. They need to recheck their facts before they go on air tonight.
Agreed SS, several mistakes/errors at their site, and not updated.

[Taximom]

The only problem I have with AMW is they seem to not have gotten the story quite right! I have seen a lot of mistakes in their reporting. They locked into the "survivalist & Navy Seal" garbage spewing from Tina and how dangerous this creep is. We know this is ridiculous. They need to recheck their facts before they go on air tonight.

SS, I don't get how an entire board of amateur sleuthers can get all the facts right about a case, and someone like Geraldo Rivera, who is paid BIG MONEY to know this stuff, goes on O'Reilly and spews wrong information???!!! I heard him last night talking about this case and couldn't believe my ears! If I had the time I'd write them all about the misinformation! :mad:

AMW probably won't even cover tonight. :razz:

[DawnTCB]

I am not sure if I would consider myself "compassionate" for Tina, because I definitely want LE to get to the bottom of her role and prosecute her for whatever they find that is illegal.

But I guess I am not to the point that I think she is evil... at least not from the information we have yet. My way too lengthy post (sorry! :blushing:) was trying to say that so far, the facts we have show her to be like so many other women we all have seen... needy, not too bright, and living a lifestyle on the fringe of lawlessness. Those of us who do not wear her shoes can say we would have left this POS at the first hint of his violent behavior, not to mention his arrest warrants. I certainly would! The only man who ever raised a hand to me got unceremoniously dumped out of my car to walk home. Lord only knows what would happen if someone tried to hurt my child, or any child that I had access to. But I do think this kind of lifestyle makes your judgment blur and can make it easier to overlook horrible things, and then say later how shocked you are.

Maybe Patience's mom could move away... start a new life in Ohio or someplace. Maybe then she could break free of that old life and start fresh.

[Tom'sGirl]

SS, I don't get how an entire board of amateur sleuthers can get all the facts right about a case, and someone like Geraldo Rivera, who is paid BIG MONEY to know this stuff, goes on O'Reilly and spews wrong information???!!! I heard him last night talking about this case and couldn't believe my ears! If I had the time I'd write them all about the misinformation! :mad:

AMW probably won't even cover tonight. :razz:


I agree TM, lets face it, in actuality they know very little about any of the cases they report on. They personally don't follow the current coverage.

They report for a living, and I see time after time reporters go on Nat'l TV and report on mis-information that supposedly is the latest facts.

I had to fill my daughter in on the facts on many cases as all she hears is what's put out there by the media which is so far behind, or not factual.

[Taximom]

I agree TM, lets face it, in actuality they know very little about any of the cases they report on. They personally don't follow the current coverage.

They report for a living, and I see time after time reporters go on Nat'l TV and report on mis-information that supposedly is the latest facts.

I had to fill my daughter in on the facts on many cases as all she hears is what's put out there by the media which is so far behind, or not factual.

They are paid big money to talk about these cases and they should have staff that is researching and verifying facts before they go to press. Nancy Grace is another one that doesn't know half the facts of a case but will stick on one issue, usually incorrect, for 30 minutes at a time.

We shouldn't accept this at all if they are professing to be factual. I expect errors out of a show like "inside edition" et al, but not from people that are usually former members of the legal profession and should know better.

The good thing is, we have WS to come to for the truth most times! Yay us!

(I know this post sounds terse, but it's truly conversational!) :blowkiss:

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, you would think their fact checkers would be scouring our site for the latest and most up to date information! LOL A great reporter would come here first THEN go get the rest of the story since half their 'homework' would already have been done!

[Taximom]

Yes, you would think their fact checkers would be scouring our site for the latest and most up to date information! LOL A great reporter would come here first THEN go get the rest of the story since half their 'homework' would already have been done!


SS, lol, that's what I was thinking! And it's free! :p

[CityPea]

I think Tina said that "she's been happier lately" or something to that effect in her first interview. (please someone help me here!)

In one of the early interviews of Tina, she said something to the effect that M is doing better or getting better. I wish I could remember her exact words but the way she qualified M's current condition made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I knew, right then and beyond a doubt, that Tina knows a WHOLE lot more than she's saying. I hope that LE is keying in on her, too. She's a very bad liar.

ETA: I found it. Tina said that M is "a lot happier, that I see. She's still got some adjusting to do."

Tina KNOWS what happened and I have a terrible feeling that the tape we all know about was neither the beginning nor the end of that poor child's nightmare.

[teedie2]

.......This thread is going to get a lot longer when that POS is caught!! (Wouldn't it be GREAT if it happened today?!)

LOL, we all want to be right here when the good news comes!

My DH was watching tv in another room the other day, and he called out to me to come there! I hollered "Did they get him?" before I even got up. :D Heck, he wanted me to see the world's smallest dog! What a letdown!

I think Tina is a S.S. :loser:

:croc: The one on the left is CAS. The one on the right is LE, or just anyone who might get real lucky!!!

The above is, of course, just my opinion. (heh)

[SeriouslySearching]

I think Tina is a S.S. :loser:

:croc: The one on the left is CAS. The one on the right is LE, or just anyone who might get real lucky!!!

The above is, of course, just my opinion. (heh)My sentiments exactly!!!! (Too funny about the world's smallest dog! We are looking for the world's largest slug!;))

[Tom'sGirl]

In one of the early interviews of Tina, she said something to the effect that M is doing better or getting better. I wish I could remember her exact words but the way she qualified M's current condition made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I knew, right then and beyond a doubt, that Tina knows a WHOLE lot more than she's saying. I hope that LE is keying in on her, too. She's a very bad liar.

ETA: I found it. Tina said that M is "a lot happier, that I see. She's still got some adjusting to do."

Tina KNOWS what happened and I have a terrible feeling that the tape we all know about was neither the beginning nor the end of that poor child's nightmare.

Here's the link to her video interview where she said he showed no signs, etc...............makes me gag!
http://abcnews.go.com/search?searchtext=tina%20allen&type

[teedie2]

My sentiments exactly!!!! (Too funny about the world's smallest dog! We are looking for the world's largest slug!;))


LOL, you are soooooooooo right!

BTW, did you notice that I abbreviated S.S., being very careful not to say "SS" ~ lest I get :slap:

[SeriouslySearching]

Hahahahaha Yes, I did notice it. And Thanks!

[SeriouslySearching]

Here's the link to her video interview where she said he showed no signs, etc...............makes me gag!
http://abcnews.go.com/search?searchtext=tina%20allen&type Yes, it makes me curious because first of all...would Tina know the signs of a sexually abused child? If she did...was she "looking" for this child to show them?!;)

[dee10134]

Not 2004, but rather 1999

AP Photo: (http://fe12.news.re3.yahoo.com/photo/070928/480/919e62e0cc9b42d4b0f64bd9c2ce84f2) In this 1999 booking photo provided by the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, Friday, Sept 28,...

No, the one with the grey shirt is the most recent. From 2003-2004.

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe we should all meet in Vegas and go find this POS ourselves!! I love to gamble. : ) All bets are on that we could find him if he is still there!

[Taximom]

In one of the early interviews of Tina, she said something to the effect that M is doing better or getting better. I wish I could remember her exact words but the way she qualified M's current condition made the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I knew, right then and beyond a doubt, that Tina knows a WHOLE lot more than she's saying. I hope that LE is keying in on her, too. She's a very bad liar.

ETA: I found it. Tina said that M is "a lot happier, that I see. She's still got some adjusting to do."

Tina KNOWS what happened and I have a terrible feeling that the tape we all know about was neither the beginning nor the end of that poor child's nightmare.

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. I knew right then she or they knew something had happened. What that "something" is though, I don't know. I shudder to think about it, actually.

It's also quite possible M told someone about this other than her mom or "nana", and maybe nobody believed her.

[dee10134]

I mentioned waaay back in one of the other threads that there's an entry in Todd's journal where he's upset that his "roommates" have allowed their drug dealer to move into their place.

He doesn't mention names and sorry I don't have a link. It's there if anyone wants to go back and look through his journal.

He was living in Toledo, Ohio at the time of that journal entry. Sorry, but as far as I know, Chester was living in Vegas with Tina, so that drug dealer could not have been involved with Todd's "roommates."

[CityPea]

Here's the link to her video interview where she said he showed no signs, etc...............makes me gag!
http://abcnews.go.com/search?searchtext=tina%20allen&type

Yep. That's the one. And it makes me gag, too. Do you think LE is picking up on Tina's crap?

I remember that, the first time I saw Susan Smith speak, I knew she was lying through her teeth, and I wondered if the cops knew it, too. As it turned out, of course, they were on to her all along and they very skillfully got her to tell the truth. I only hope that LE is just as insightful and skillful in this case.

[CityPea]

I shudder to think about it, actually.

Me, too.

[itsreenw]

Indy, unfortunately, I don’t know anyone that can do age progression.


I have a contact that is a forensic artist student who volunteers her services. She did Lori Peugeot's age progressions. I will contact her this weekend.

I want to apologize if I offended anyone with my last post about M's mom and Tina. I strayed from our usual politically correctness and wrote out of sympathy for little M and anger at the people that were supposed to protect that baby. The comments I made were graphic but they were very logical. How could this happen without anyone noticing?

I strongly stand by everything I said but I do apologize for saying M's mom should be arrested for being an idiot. I guess what I was trying to say is that this is not "just" a molestation case, from the statements by experienced LE, it was much more brutal and severe and I just don't understand how nobody saw the signs.

It upsets me that IMO, M was failed in every way possible by the adults in her life. It takes a village to raise a child.... but it starts in the home. Although we would like to think we can trust others with our kids, it is our responsibility to know who we have in our lives.

And I believe Tina told on herself by saying M was 'happier or doing better' not sure of the exact quote.. for Tina to compare M's present emotional state to the past, she must have known something was wrong at some point to even make that statement.

Regarding Todd's post on his myspace about his roommates letting their drug dealer move in?? Wasn't he roommates with M's mom and his sis? I think someone referred to Tina as his roommate in a reply to that post. I'm lost..who was he referring to as roommates?

[CityPea]

Regarding Todd's post on his myspace about his roommates letting their drug dealer move in?? Wasn't he roommates with M's mom and his sis? I think someone referred to Tina as his roommate in a reply to that post. I'm lost..who was he referring to as roommates?

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that comment made during one of the periods when he was living in Ohio?

[Taximom]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that comment made during one of the periods when he was living in Ohio?

That's what I thought too, but can't find my link now! Drats.

[Taximom]

I have a contact that is a forensic artist student who volunteers her services. She did Lori Peugeot's age progressions. I will contact her this weekend.

(snipped)

itsreenw, that's mighty kind of you.

[KOOL LOOK]

I have a contact that is a forensic artist student who volunteers her services. She did Lori Peugeot's age progressions. I will contact her this weekend.

I want to apologize if I offended anyone with my last post about M's mom and Tina. I strayed from our usual politically correctness and wrote out of sympathy for little M and anger at the people that were supposed to protect that baby. The comments I made were graphic but they were very logical. How could this happen without anyone noticing?

I strongly stand by everything I said but I do apologize for saying M's mom should be arrested for being an idiot. I guess what I was trying to say is that this is not "just" a molestation case, from the statements by experienced LE, it was much more brutal and severe and I just don't understand how nobody saw the signs.

It upsets me that IMO, M was failed in every way possible by the adults in her life. It takes a village to raise a child.... but it starts in the home. Although we would like to think we can trust others with our kids, it is our responsibility to know who we have in our lives.

And I believe Tina told on herself by saying M was 'happier or doing better' not sure of the exact quote.. for Tina to compare M's present emotional state to the past, she must have known something was wrong at some point to even make that statement.

Regarding Todd's post on his myspace about his roommates letting their drug dealer move in?? Wasn't he roommates with M's mom and his sis? I think someone referred to Tina as his roommate in a reply to that post. I'm lost..who was he referring to as roommates?

I didn't read the comment post your speaking of, but I stand with you. A mother is suppose to be that. There wasn't just a little petting going on, or suggestive speech. I'll believe LE description of the events that they witnessed on the one tape that was found.

[Tom'sGirl]

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't that comment made during one of the periods when he was living in Ohio?

No, it was posted in May of '04 when he was in LV, then his next entry the following month on 6-25-04 he's back in Ohio.

[CityPea]

No, it was posted in May of '04 when he was in LV, then his next entry the following month on 6-25-04 he's back in Ohio.
Well, then. That makes it a very interesting comment, indeed!

[Indy Gal]

itsreenw, Thanks

[Tom'sGirl]

Well, then. That makes it a very interesting comment, indeed!

In his blog of 6-25-04 he mentions "last i posted i was still in las vegas .. im back in ohio now and have ben for about a week.. Im lookin for a job so i can make enough money to go on to maine in a few months.. i have some things up there to take care of.. but while i was still in vegas i had my nephews 2nd birthday and my mothers 42nd birthday .. oboth interesting days"

[Indiana at Heart]

Lets hope someone watching AMW tonight see his pictures and turns his sorry A$$ in.

I pray a tipters called in and tells where he is at. We need Justice for all the little girls he has hurt!!!!

[Jaded]

Lets hope someone watching AMW tonight see his pictures and turns his sorry A$$ in.

I pray a tipters called in and tells where he is at. We need Justice for all the little girls he has hurt!!!!
What time is it on tonight?

[Indiana at Heart]

9 pm on east coast Fox here

[LMax]

9p.m. on the east coast. In about 25 minutes...

[Busylady]

Unfortunately I think he is going to be hard to catch. The type of lifestyle he leds means he is associated with people that would be willing to hide him out. In addition, it appears he has connections in TX, CA, and NV so lots of different places he can go.

[Lisahas2cats]

Unfortunately I think he is going to be hard to catch. The type of lifestyle he leds means he is associated with people that would be willing to hide him out. In addition, it appears he has connections in TX, CA, and NV so lots of different places he can go.

Is there a reward for information leading to his arrest? I'm hoping that his association with the type of people who'd be willing to hide him out also means he's associated with the type of people who'd be willing to SELL him out.

[LMax]

http://www.lvmpd.com/crime/wanted_fugitives.html This is the only thing I have found as far as a reward involving crime stoppers.

[LMax]

on AMW now... Public Enemy #1.

[Busylady]

AMW is airing a story on Stiles now and going to do an interview with Tuck.

[Busylady]

No new information so far except his friends say he had a complusion with washing his hands.

[Indiana at Heart]

I want to see about the tips from last week

[LMax]

Showed the Tuck interview, Tina interview, talked with our favorite Detective and talked to a former roommate. Says compulsive about washing hands, showed a possible car he could be driving and showed picture of dog. I probably left out alot... Hair probably longer, mustache could be shaved.

[AmandaBrown23]

So they still havent caught the POS huh. I hope its soon.

[Indiana at Heart]

So they still havent caught the POS huh. I hope its soon.



Nope but know his pictues was in millions of peoples living rooms tonight. Lets hope we find that sorry SOB. Sorry thats how I feel

[Indy Gal]

Breath Indiana Breath....LOL

[Indiana at Heart]

I'm trying!!

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm trying!!

:) :) :) :)

[believe09]

If you read the write up with the synopsis of the crime on the AMW website, it has some surprising inaccuracies. I sent an email in with some suggested changes, but maybe you more tenured WS'ers could read it and do the same?

[SeriouslySearching]

Believe, it certainly does! I don't know they will listen to us since they believe they are getting the latest and most accurate information from LE. (They wouldn't understand we probably are up on most of what LE knows and perhaps a bit further along in some respects!) Good job writing them tho! Maybe they will come check out this site and figure out their discrepancies!

[Busylady]

Well darn AMW didnt really broadcast anything new tonight except for his obsession with handwashing. Grrrrrrrrrr this man needs to get caught NOW!!!!

[believe09]

Thanks, Seriously-my "gallows humor" moment was the idea that a 3 year old could be an "adolescent" as is stated repeatedly in their write up...jeesh!!:crazy:

[believe09]

I am not sure why he is not in the AMV top 12...He belongs for sure.

[Reannan]

I worry that there are other children out there who are victims, and who have not yet been identified. This whole mess needs to end. CAS needs to face the music of the ugly song he started.

[Indiana at Heart]

I am not sure why he is not in the AMV top 12...He belongs for sure.

Thats casuse he is
Public Enemy Number 1 (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/most_wanted_lists.cfm)

[believe09]

Thats casuse he is
Public Enemy Number 1 (http://www.amw.com/fugitives/most_wanted_lists.cfm)

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!

[angarella]

Please let this man be caught today.

[Taximom]

Please let this man be caught today.

I just thought the same thing. That would make it a perfect Sunday.

[angarella]

I just thought the same thing. That would make it a perfect Sunday.

I know. I am getting so discouraged. It seem that the interest to catch him is waning. I hope not. :(

[Taximom]

I just hope that if people ARE harboring him somewhere that they also have hell to pay.

[Mygirlsadie]

I hope it's not waning..but if it is then at least we can look at the big picture here and know that at least M is safe (as far as we know) and Chester will have to run around now with his tail between his legs & he will never be safe anywhere..that's a pretty crappy feeling.




I know. I am getting so discouraged. It seem that the interest to catch him is waning. I hope not. :(

[Taximom]

That's a good way of looking at it, Mygirlsadie. Thanks.

I hope it's not waning..but if it is then at least we can look at the big picture here and know that at least M is safe (as far as we know) and Chester will have to run around now with his tail between his legs & he will never be safe anywhere..that's a pretty crappy feeling.