6 Youths Shot Dead in Wisconsin; Sheriff’s Deputy Sought

[chicoliving]

Wisconsin town is under lockdown after a suspect believed to be with the local sheriff's office went on a killing spree, gunning down as many as six youths in their Crandon home early Sunday morning.

Crandon Mayor Gary Bradley told FOX News that the town is under a "gag order" regarding the overnight event but no one in the town can leave church, home or anywhere else they happened to be Sunday morning.

A witness told WMTJ Radio that gunfire erupted in the home at about 3 a.m. Sunday morning. Ten area youths from the ages of 16 to 21 were reportedly in the home when the shots were fired. Fatalities are being reported, but the number of casualties is still unconfirmed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299946,00.html

[dkitty]

Good Heavens..Hope he caught soon!!

[Al_B]

This is terrible. I hope they catch him soon.

[philamena]

:eek:
The entire town is on lockdown.
Hopefully this person will be caught soon.

[oceanblueeyes]

This is terrible. I hope they catch him soon.

I am wondering if one of his children was there at the party. They said this happened around 3 am this morning.

There will be survivors imo since they are saying about 10-12 kids were there.

Good grief all these multiple murders lately. It is so chilling.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

:eek:
The entire town is on lockdown.
Hopefully this person will be caught soon.

I think he has probably gone somewhere and blown his brains out.

imoo

[dark_shadows]

Wisconsin town is under lockdown after a suspect believed to be with the local sheriff's office went on a killing spree, gunning down as many as six youths in their Crandon home early Sunday morning.

Crandon Mayor Gary Bradley told FOX News that the town is under a "gag order" regarding the overnight event but no one in the town can leave church, home or anywhere else they happened to be Sunday morning.

A witness told WMTJ Radio that gunfire erupted in the home at about 3 a.m. Sunday morning. Ten area youths from the ages of 16 to 21 were reportedly in the home when the shots were fired. Fatalities are being reported, but the number of casualties is still unconfirmed.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299946,00.html
To my very dearest Chicoliving,:blowkiss:
Thank-you for posting this thread.
My heart goes out to the murdered teens and their families.
My heart hurts hearing about this.

So much Love and Respect to you,
dark_shadows

[chicoliving]

CRANDON (WFRV/WJFW) - Witnesses at the scene in Crandon said gunfire broke out at a home near the intersection of Hazeldell and Washington streets around 3:00 this morning.

According to WJFW.COM, a witness says 10 area youth between the ages of 17 and 20 were at the home at the time of the shooting.

http://www.wfrv.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=58f02ffe-d144-4d73-a6c2-3676469d6504

Suspect is Forest County Deputy Tyler Peterson and considered armed and dangerous.

[gooniequeen]

cops seem to have gone mad lately!

[SuziQ]

They think Tyler Peterson, an employee of just one week, opened fire at a party late last night

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/10300257.html

[SuziQ]

Here is a link to the Forest County Sheriffs Dept Staff List. Peterson was so new he wasn't listed yet.

http://tinyurl.com/2zghsg

[chicoliving]

Police and the FBI just found a Forest County Sheriff's employee dead.

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/10300257.html

[chicoliving]

The wife of Crandon, Wis., Mayor Gary Bradley confirmed Sunday afternoon that several people are dead and several more are injured. The Associated Press puts the number of fatalities at five.

One young man was treated and released from St. Mary's Hospital in nearby Rhinelander, a hospital representative said. A second young man is being treated at St. Joseph's Hospital in Marshfield. His condition is currently unknown.

http://www.wisn.com/news/14287494/detail.html

[SuziQ]

I lost my link and can't find it. Tyler Peterson was a part time employee of the Crandon Police Department and recently hired as a part time employee of Forest County Sheriffs Department. So he wasn't necessarily new to law inforcement work. What the heck was this shooting about?

[Lola]

The reporter I heard said that it may have started about something having to do with an ex-girlfriend.

[dark_shadows]

Police and the FBI just found a Forest County Sheriff's employee dead.

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/10300257.html
My dearest Chicoliving,:blowkiss:
Is the Sheriff's employee him or another Sheriff or a dispatcher?

All of my Love and Respect to you,
dark_shadows

[Taximom]

I wonder if this is him...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=40556571

[SeriouslySearching]

I have never heard of a town given a gag order or put on lockdown before!! Wow! That is absurd!!

I am glad the POS is dead and I feel so sorry for the families of the victims. Who would imagine someone in LE would gun down defenseless kids?!

[chicoliving]

A Wisconsin town was to have its state of lockdown lifted after a police chief said law enforcement is no longer looking for a suspect — believed to be with the local sheriff's office — who went on a killing spree early Sunday morning, gunning down at least five youths in a Crandon home.

Crandon Police Chief John Dennee, speaking outside the police department about two blocks from the shooting site, would not say whether the suspect was dead. But he said: "We're not looking for anybody anymore."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299946,00.html

Well that's something anyway. Fox News Channel reporting that a possible press conference will occur.

[Taximom]

Census data shows Crandon has about 2,000 citizens. WOW. I know high schools with more kids than that.

[chicoliving]

A reporter on FNC via phone is reporting that Tyler was a sheriff deputy and a Crandon police officer. He went to his ex girlfriends apartment where this party was happening and started shooting. Party goers were recent high school grads and current high schoolers. Neighboring county is reporting that there will be a presser at 6 local time but the reporter can't confirm that since no one is returning calls but he says a presser would be the next logical step.

[Taximom]

Fox news says they will cover the PC at 6:00 e.s.t.

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if this is him...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=40556571

I would think he is older. It was supposed to be his ex-girlfriend's house. I wonder if she was home at the time? But he may have been dating one of the younger girls too. Never can tell these days.

imoo

[SuziQ]

http://www.wisn.com/news/14287494/detail.html

Crandon Mayor says shooter brought down by a sniper

[chicoliving]

Shortest presser in history! There will be a full presser tomorrow. The person speaking announced just that and walked away but questions started pouring out and a few were answered. He was off duty and 20 yrs old, the family has just been notified. There will be a meeting of some sorts with the attorney general tomorrow and more info at tomorrows presser.

[SuziQ]

Crandon township supervisor Ray Statezny Jr. said that the shooting was the result of a love triangle involving the deputy, a young woman, and another police officer.

Another resident says he heard suspect broke up with girlfriend last week. She is apparently still in high school. This was supposedly a homecoming party.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/10299502.html

[Indiana at Heart]

Dang!!! Means she was underage?

[cheko1]

I wonder if this is him...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=40556571


Taximom,

I'm just getting astarted reading this........but I know Eleva is a long way from where the shooting took place.....will post more once I get caught up!

[SuziQ]

Dang!!! Means she was underage?

She could be 18 if she is a senior. I'll be curious to find out though.

[cheko1]

I wonder if any made it out without injury?

This is getting to be horrible all the mass shootings & LE being involved.
They are hired to protcet people not go nuts & start killing them.

I am glad he was killed or killed himself.

[concernedperson]

I wonder if any made it out without injury?

This is getting to be horrible all the mass shootings & LE being involved.
They are hired to protcet people not go nuts & start killing them.

I am glad he was killed or killed himself.

This story is bothering me a lot. I can't elaborate just now as I am still sorting through all my feelings.It just seems that LE hires without further testing or evaluations on the people in certain areas. I know about budget constraints but some of these people are time bombs and the same could be said for the security forces hired as independent contractors in Iraq.

I had an LE friend tell me that these firms were hiring felons. So, with that said we have to wonder who is allowing these miscreants to be part of a force that is supposed to be protecting us.

[oceanblueeyes]

Taximom,

I'm just getting astarted reading this........but I know Eleva is a long way from where the shooting took place.....will post more once I get caught up!

How far is Arragon from where this happened. That is where he was when he was killed.

TIA

Maybe since his girlfriend was so young he was a young man too. Although I always thought one had to be at least 21 to be on the police force.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if any made it out without injury?

This is getting to be horrible all the mass shootings & LE being involved.
They are hired to protcet people not go nuts & start killing them.

I am glad he was killed or killed himself.

Since they said about 10 were at the party there will be survivors thank the Lord.

Yes that story is not clear either. One article is saying a police sniper took him out and the others are saying it was self inflicted and they found him.

imoo

[cheko1]

How far is Arragon from where this happened. That is where he was when he was killed.

TIA

Maybe since his girlfriend was so young he was a young man too. Although I always thought one had to be at least 21 to be on the police force.

imoo

Argonne is 6.83 miles from Crandon according to mapquest

[cheko1]

Crandon township supervisor Ray Statezny Jr. said that the shooting was the result of a love triangle involving the deputy, a young woman, and another police officer.

Another resident says he heard suspect broke up with girlfriend last week. She is apparently still in high school. This was supposedly a homecoming party.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/10299502.html


It sounds like from this article besides killing the people he may of went to another home & held 6 people hostage. What the heck.......??? Or am I reading to much into this?

[teedie2]

An article said that this happened at the home of his ex-girllfriend ~ a love triangle, with another officer involved. The shooter was 20, Taximom, HOW do you find these people on myspace???

Anyway, I wonder how old the other officer is, and how many officers in that town are 21 or younger.

[Indiana at Heart]

An article said that this happened at the home of his 16 y/o ex-girllfriend ~ a love triangle, with another officer involved. The shooter was 20, Taximom, HOW do you find these people on myspace???

Anyway, I wonder how old the other officer is, and how many officers in that town are 21 or younger.

16 yrs old!! WTF is this world coming too. He was 20.:sick: :sick:

[teedie2]

It sounds like from this article besides killing the people he may of went to another home & held 6 people hostage. What the heck.......??? Or am I reading to much into this?

That's what it sounds like to me, too. Presser tomorrow? I'd sure like to hear about the hostages.

What a small town Crandon is. And what a huge loss of young people. I feel so sorry for them all.

[Indiana at Heart]

Small town and everyone knows everyone! The whole town is in morning

[cheko1]

That's what it sounds like to me, too. Presser tomorrow? I'd sure like to hear about the hostages.

What a small town Crandon is. And what a huge loss of young people. I feel so sorry for them all.


I was looking up any myspace pages but never had any luck.....any names listed in news articles are set to private.

Yes there are many very small towns in Wis & everyone knows everyone or are related to each other. Will be a sad day for everyone once the names are released. My thoughts & prayers goes out to the entire community & friends & families.

[Dena]

This story is bothering me a lot. I can't elaborate just now as I am still sorting through all my feelings.It just seems that LE hires without further testing or evaluations on the people in certain areas. I know about budget constraints but some of these people are time bombs and the same could be said for the security forces hired as independent contractors in Iraq.

I had an LE friend tell me that these firms were hiring felons. So, with that said we have to wonder who is allowing these miscreants to be part of a force that is supposed to be protecting us.

Which is funny to me because in larger cities it is nearly impossible to get into the police force. My husband went out for the police last year and he made it through the written exam and 90% of the physical exam until the end when he had to pick up a gun and pull the trigger 10 times and aim into a tiny ring. He made it 6 times until his finger cramped up and that was it for him. Even if he would've passed, he just would've been on a waiting list. He wanted to be a police man so bad and it kills us to hear about all these jerkoff police officers abusing their responsibilities and being a-holes. There are a lot of caring people who want to be on these forces and would do great jobs.

My thoughts go out to the grieving families.

[oceanblueeyes]

I wonder if this is him...
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=40556571

I wonder if this is the perp. He may have moved recently to Canden.

imo

[SuziQ]

How does a 20 year old become a cop, and in two departments at that? I know the small towns around me can afford to be selective as alot of big city cops want to semi-retire to small towns. You usually end up with over qualified older cops being underpaid. 20 years old? Was his dad the mayor or something?

[oceanblueeyes]

How does a 20 year old become a cop, and in two departments at that? I know the small towns around me can afford to be selective as alot of big city cops want to semi-retire to small towns. You usually end up with over qualified older cops being underpaid. 20 years old? Was his dad the mayor or something?

I was under the impression that one had to be at least 21 to join the force.

Maybe the age of the suspect is wrong perhaps?

No 20 year old is mature enough to be a policeman imo. It does make me wonder if his family has pull.

Oops sorry: ETA I do see they are confirming he IS 20 years old.

I wonder if the guy in his 20s that had glass cuts was the other policeman? (boyfriend)

imoo

[SuziQ]

I would be curious to know how old the second cop was that stepped in and started dating the ex GF that Tyler just broke up with.

[Lady GL]

The victims:

Authorities did not release details of the killings or names of the victims Sunday but from interviews with families and friends the following were believed to have been killed:


- Jordann Murray, 18, the suspect's former longtime sweetheart who graduated from Crandon High School in 2006.

- Katrina McCorkle, an 18-year-old senior at Crandon High.

- Leanna Thomas, also an 18-year-old senior at Crandon.

- Bradley Schultz, 20, a 2005 graduate of Crandon and a student at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee majoring in criminal justice.

- Aaron Smith, called "Chunk" by his friends, also a 2005 graduate of Crandon.

- Lindsey Stahl, age 14.


http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=671874

[oceanblueeyes]

I would be curious to know how old the second cop was that stepped in and started dating the ex GF that Tyler just broke up with.

One of the articles states there is a guy in his 20s that was there at the time. He got cuts from glass shattering.
I bet he is the new boyfriend.

imoo

[SuziQ]

Thanks Lady GL, what a tragedy.

[SuziQ]

One of the articles states there is a guy in his 20s that was there at the time. He got cuts from glass shattering.
I bet he is the new boyfriend.

imoo


Probably. And the ex-GF was 18, so the age difference doesn't point to anything.

[oceanblueeyes]

Probably. And the ex-GF was 18, so the age difference doesn't point to anything.

I agree.

I think he most likely learned that the new boyfriend was over there. Who knows he may have watched the house for hours before bursting in at 3 in the morning.

He broke up with her last week the articles stated and the next week she started to see this new guy.

Such a tragedy for those victims that were sitting ducks as he started firing on them. There is nothing one can do but try to run. But when someone is firing bullets the ending is going to be so heartbreaking as it was here.

imoo

[CaliKid]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21181501/

What a terrible tragedy. I can't understand how someone so young could become a cop either. But if he's 20, it sounds as if two of the victims graduated in his same class. Those poor kids, they had absolutely no chance.

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21181501/

What a terrible tragedy. I can't understand how someone so young could become a cop either. But if he's 20, it sounds as if two of the victims graduated in his same class. Those poor kids, they had absolutely no chance.

Fox just showed the gunman's photo. It does look like the same guy on myspace. He is a little older in the ms photo. Its probably a recent photo. The one on Fox looks like one of him in high school. Looked like a nice friendly clean cut teenager.

They have been saying this was his longtime girlfriend. I wonder how long they had dated.

imoo

[CaliKid]

My teenaged daughter is 17 and doesn't date, thank God. It's getting so you don't know who to trust your child with. This man was a police officer, for heaven sakes.

[cheko1]

I wonder if this is the perp. He may have moved recently to Canden.

imo

On the News they stated he was born & raised in Crandon.
News could be wrong.......but thats what they said.

[oceanblueeyes]

On the News they stated he was born & raised in Crandon.
News could be wrong.......but thats what they said.

Did you see the photo that they showed? He sure looks like the guy on myspace though except the picture on tv was when he was in high school.

Maybe he put another town in on myspace because he didn't really want others to know exactly where he lived.

Oh well it may not be him but he sure favors the guy. Dark hair and all.

imoo

[cheko1]

Did you see the photo that they showed? He sure looks like the guy on myspace though except the picture on tv was when he was in high school.

Maybe he put another town in on myspace because he didn't really want others to know exactly where he lived.

Oh well it may not be him but he sure favors the guy. Dark hair and all.

imoo

I did see the picture of him & your correct it sure did look like him.

[Taximom]

Well, I know from some searches that he went to Eleva-Strum high school... I haven't googled the locations, but isn't it possible those two cities are close together?

[CaliKid]

Two or more towns could share a high school. It happens all the time in small communities.

[Taximom]

Now I'm wondering because I don't think he looks the same! The one at the Fox news site looks like such a happy, healthy young man. What in the world goes so wrong that you go ballistic and kill others and then yourself? Over a GIRL? How are kids getting the message that this is ok to do?

Anyway, Fox news says the pic is from the Crandon HS yearbook. There was a TP that went to Eleva-Strum though, and was in athletics.

My prayers are with all the families and friends right now. In such a small town everyone will have trouble with this one. :(

[Lola]

School District of Crandon (http://www.crandon.k12.wi.us/)

Teenager says Crandon High School students among victims (http://www.wbay.com/global/story.asp?s=7180667)



Seven Dead in Shooting Rampage (http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=7180437)

[cheko1]

Now I'm wondering because I don't think he looks the same! The one at the Fox news site looks like such a happy, healthy young man. What in the world goes so wrong that you go ballistic and kill others and then yourself? Over a GIRL? How are kids getting the message that this is ok to do?

Anyway, Fox news says the pic is from the Crandon HS yearbook. There was a TP that went to Eleva-Strum though, and was in athletics.

My prayers are with all the families and friends right now. In such a small town everyone will have trouble with this one. :(


Eleva is South of Eau Claire Wi / it would be quite a ways from Crandon.To far for them to share a high school. I googled them & its 188 miles one way.

I heard this AM that one of the kids is in critical condition from injuries. Has anyone heard yet what time the presser is?

[angarella]

I happened to see this story on my Comcast homepage this morning and came here to WS to find out more. What a sad, sad story. My thoughts and prayers to the victim's families and the whole town. :mad:

[cheko1]

Just found these, my prayers are with the families! http://news.google.com/images/cleardot.gif More Top Stories
http://news.google.com/news?imgefp=ZIe1HVIF14AJ&imgurl=images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2007/united_states/shooting_081007_232.jpg
TVNZ (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1392813)Town reels after rampage kills 6 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/chi-shooting_for_wiresoct08,0,1546717.story?coll=chi-sportscollege-hed)
Chicago Tribune - 23 minutes ago
By Robert Gutsche Jr. | Special to the Tribune October 8, 2007 MADISON, Wis. - A 20-year-old lawman shattered the calm of a small logging town in the North Woods of Wisconsin on Sunday morning, crashing a house party and shooting to death six high ...
Police track down deputy who stormed party, killed six people (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/wisconsin.shooting/?iref=mpstoryview) CNN International
Jilted police officer kills six in Wisconsin rampage (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/08/2007-10-08_jilted_police_officer_kills_six_in_wisco.html) New York Daily News

[cheko1]

On the News lastnight they stated Lindsay Stahl (14 yr old killed in rampage ) & Peterson ( shooter) were related. Stahl's Dad is a fireman.

[KatK]

On the News they stated he was born & raised in Crandon.
News could be wrong.......but thats what they said.


That doesn't mean he lives there now though, does it? Or, do you have to live in the town you work in as a police officer? Maybe he had to live in another place in order to be a Deputy though, and got a pass because of that? :waitasec:

[cheko1]

That doesn't mean he lives there now though, does it? Or, do you have to live in the town you work in as a police officer? Maybe he had to live in another place in order to be a Deputy though, and got a pass because of that? :waitasec:

I am certain a deputy has to live in the county he works for. At least the deputies I know & the local LE has to live in the township. At least thats the way it is here.

[Taximom]

Eleva is South of Eau Claire Wi / it would be quite a ways from Crandon.To far for them to share a high school. I googled them & its 188 miles one way.

I heard this AM that one of the kids is in critical condition from injuries. Has anyone heard yet what time the presser is?

Thanks for clearing that up, cheko1.

[cheko1]

Your welcome, Taximom.

[PrayersForMaura]

from one story I read, it sounded like the 14 yr-old as his girlfriend but it makes more sense that it was the 18-year old girl.

This is so sad. The killer is too young to have been a deputy sheriff!! That's just crazy.

[PrayersForMaura]

Just found these, my prayers are with the families! http://news.google.com/images/cleardot.gif More Top Stories
http://news.google.com/news?imgefp=ZIe1HVIF14AJ&imgurl=images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_images/news2007/united_states/shooting_081007_232.jpg
TVNZ (http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411366/1392813)Town reels after rampage kills 6 (http://www.chicagotribune.com/services/newspaper/printedition/monday/chi-shooting_for_wiresoct08,0,1546717.story?coll=chi-sportscollege-hed)
Chicago Tribune - 23 minutes ago
By Robert Gutsche Jr. | Special to the Tribune October 8, 2007 MADISON, Wis. - A 20-year-old lawman shattered the calm of a small logging town in the North Woods of Wisconsin on Sunday morning, crashing a house party and shooting to death six high ...
Police track down deputy who stormed party, killed six people (http://edition.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/wisconsin.shooting/?iref=mpstoryview) CNN International
Jilted police officer kills six in Wisconsin rampage (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime_file/2007/10/08/2007-10-08_jilted_police_officer_kills_six_in_wisco.html) New York Daily News

thanks for the links. wow, this line of the Tribune story kills me :(

"A second victim was Bradley Schultz, 20, a third-year student at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee who was home to visit his friends, said his aunt Sharon Pisarek.

"We still don't have many details, but from what they've told us, there was a girl next to him and he was covering her, protecting her," she said, sobbing. "He was loved by everybody. He was everybody's son.""

:(

[Trino]

Apparently, Peterson acted without thinking through the consequences of his actions and did not even consider how this would forever impact the lives of his friends and relatives or the community.

One defining characteristic of an adult is that he/she thinks long term. When this happens is different for each person, but 20 seems quite young. I wonder how long he had been an officer. Peterson was also dating a high school student, which indicates to me that he hadn't really moved on from his own h.s. years and was still not what most persons would call an adult either by age or by maturity.

What Crandon and Forest County did was essentially to arm a kid they thought - probably by background - would be a good clean fit. Obviously, this was not enough. Peterson's pictures show a clean-cut guy, but revealed nothing about what was inside of him. Although nothing is guaranteed, Wisconsin should at least have an age limit of 21 for LE officers. It will be interesting to see how his pre-murder behaviors unfold as the investigation progresses.

[mysteriew]

A possible reason for the change of address: He is from a small town. He would have to go elsewhere to get the law enforcement training. So he could have grown up in Crandon, graduated in the last few years, moved to a larger community for LE courses, then moved back to his hometown so he could get a job.

[Trino]

http://www.co.forest.wi.gov/county/app/public?COMMAND=gov.wi.county.view.command.ShowStaf fList&selectedDepartment=200407061534551419823&countyName=Forest

I note that Peterson is NOT listed as a deputy for Forest County. Either he was very new or his name has been removed.

[SuziQ]

Here is a link to the Forest County Sheriffs Dept Staff List. Peterson was so new he wasn't listed yet.

http://tinyurl.com/2zghsg (http://tinyurl.com/2zghsg)

Trino, here is my post from yesterday. Peterson had only been with Forest County a short time.

[SuziQ]

They think Tyler Peterson, an employee of just one week, opened fire at a party late last night

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/10300257.html

He had only been an employee of Forest County for one week.

[hoppyfrog]

On WBBM radio out of Chicago this a.m. they reported that the shooter had recently told people he was under a lot of stress and had girlfriend problems. That, coupled with the facts that he was only 20 and had access to guns absolutely screams to me "Take away the guns and put him on leave!"

Hoppy

[Trino]

He had only been an employee of Forest County for one week.

The mainstream news media have not published this fact. Thanks for digging around.


Here are the victims:

Lindsey Stahl, 14

Jordanne Murray, 18

Katrina McCorkle, 18

Leanna Thomas, 18

Aaron Smith

Bradley Schultz, 20

The town sounds like it's filled with nice caring people:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting

"The town of about 2,000 people last made headlines in August, when community groups and a soldier helped bring an Iraqi girl to the United States for a cornea transplant."

[cheko1]

I seriously can't imagine LE handing over a badge to a 20 yr old much let alone make him a deputy sheriff.

You'd think some heads would be rolling in Wi today for such stupidity on the behalf of LE.

I don't care what kind of a nice kid people thought he was. He WASN"T he killed 6 & critically injured a 7th. LE gave him a badge to go in & kill innocent people! Why because the idiot got dumped???? Well big whoopty doo......it happens everywhere in the world people get dumped & not everyone goes out & kills that many kids. If he snapped that easily he shouldn't of had the rights to carry a gun or arrest anyone! JMHO

[oceanblueeyes]

He had only been an employee of Forest County for one week.

I know I read somewhere (and I have read so many articles they are all swimming together:doh: ) that he was hired in January of this year. I cant remember if it was the Deputy position or the part time position he held with the Canden PD.

But let me ask a dumb question because I know nothing about myspace. Do you have to put your actual town down or are you allowed to put any town down that you want on your profile? tia

imoo

[SuziQ]

[quote=Trino;1724507]The mainstream news media have not published this fact. Thanks for digging around.

MSM did publish that fact. It's in the article I linked to my original post.

[SuziQ]

The station may have got it wrong. Just trying to clarify where I got my info. I try to link info whenever possible.
******

They think Tyler Peterson, an employee of just one week, opened fire at a party late last night.

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/10300257.html

[oceanblueeyes]

I seriously can't imagine LE handing over a badge to a 20 yr old much let alone make him a deputy sheriff.

You'd think some heads would be rolling in Wi today for such stupidity on the behalf of LE.

I don't care what kind of a nice kid people thought he was. He WASN"T he killed 6 & critically injured a 7th. LE gave him a badge to go in & kill innocent people! Why because the idiot got dumped???? Well big whoopty doo......it happens everywhere in the world people get dumped & not everyone goes out & kills that many kids. If he snapped that easily he shouldn't of had the rights to carry a gun or arrest anyone! JMHO

Oh I have no doubt wrongful death lawsuits will be filed against the police department.

What is scary is this guy had a supplied gun to do his madness and was to protect and serve the public...not kill them.

This motive is old as time both with men and women that have murdered because of jealousy. However it is extremely rare that the perp goes on a killing spree and kills everyone there just because they were there.

Give a loaded gun to a guy that is infuriated over the loss of his girlfriend and the ending is going to be horrendous.

Why he killed them all is just so hard to understand. But I never understand the mindset of killers.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

The station may have got it wrong. Just trying to clarify where I got my info. I try to link info whenever possible.
******

They think Tyler Peterson, an employee of just one week, opened fire at a party late last night.

http://www.nbc26.com/news/local/10300257.html

Thank you. Maybe what I read about him being hired in January was to do with the part time police officer and not the Sheriff's office.

He worked for both, right?

imoo

[Taximom]

I know I read somewhere (and I have read so many articles they are all swimming together:doh: ) that he was hired in January of this year. I cant remember if it was the Deputy position or the part time position he held with the Canden PD.

But let me ask a dumb question because I know nothing about myspace. Do you have to put your actual town down or are you allowed to put any town down that you want on your profile? tia

imoo

You can put any town down you want. I think it's by the zip code that you put in when you make your profile. My WS myspace (one I use to look for crime-related profiles) shows I live in Beverly Hills! hee hee

[SuziQ]

Thank you. Maybe what I read about him being hired in January was to do with the part time police officer and not the Sheriff's office.

He worked for both, right?

imoo

Yes. LE confirmed that much in the brief presser yesterday. I will be curious as to what info is released in the presser today. In the process to get the news out quickly, the media makes mistakes.

[oceanblueeyes]

You can put any town down you want. I think it's by the zip code that you put in when you make your profile. My WS myspace (one I use to look for crime-related profiles) shows I live in Beverly Hills! hee hee

:D :laugh:

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes. LE confirmed that much in the brief presser yesterday. I will be curious as to what info is released in the presser today. In the process to get the news out quickly, the media makes mistakes.

I haven't read all the new posts today. When is the PC today? Sorry to be a pain. I missed much of it last night as my house was wall to wall baseball playoffs. lol

imoo

[cheko1]

Oh I have no doubt wrongful death lawsuits will be filed against the police department.

What is scary is this guy had a supplied gun to do his madness and was to protect and serve the public...not kill them.

This motive is old as time both with men and women that have murdered because of jealousy. However it is extremely rare that the perp goes on a killing spree and kills everyone there just because they were there.

Give a loaded gun to a guy that is infuriated over the loss of his girlfriend and the ending is going to be horrendous.

Why he killed them all is just so hard to understand. But I never understand the mindset of killers.

imoo

They claimed that one person was treated & released at the hospital. With there being so many at the pizza party / I wish one of them would of been able to kick him where it counted.

They said TP was downtown earlier & stated he was going home. Just can't imagine what ticked him off to fly into a rage that severe......

[Shamrock]

I had a busy weekend and didn't hear about this until this morning. How sad. It amazes me that stuff like this happens. Those poor kids. :(

[BrowneyedEmily]

I'm going to have to echo a lot of you guys - why was a 20yo given this badge? I've been speaking with a gun nut friend of mine, who is amazingly responsible and has been shooting guns since he was very young, and he said LE officers don't have to go through the same processes to get a gun as citizens. Which, I guess, is understandable in most cases, but not this one.

For a 20yo to be allowed to bypass many regulations and requirements involved with being allowed to carry a handgun just because he was appointed to an LE position...that's not good. His age should have been a huge factor - I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone in their mid to early 20s carrying a gun just because their jobs say they can. I want to be assured that they're getting as much training and clearance as the average citizen, if not more.

[SuziQ]

WISN.com will live stream a news conference from Crandon High School today at noon.

http://www.wisn.com/index.html


That's central time zone. So in about an hour.

[oceanblueeyes]

I'm going to have to echo a lot of you guys - why was a 20yo given this badge? I've been speaking with a gun nut friend of mine, who is amazingly responsible and has been shooting guns since he was very young, and he said LE officers don't have to go through the same processes to get a gun as citizens. Which, I guess, is understandable in most cases, but not this one.

For a 20yo to be allowed to bypass many regulations and requirements involved with being allowed to carry a handgun just because he was appointed to an LE position...that's not good. His age should have been a huge factor - I might be wrong, but I wouldn't be comfortable with anyone in their mid to early 20s carrying a gun just because their jobs say they can. I want to be assured that they're getting as much training and clearance as the average citizen, if not more.

Fox just had a reporter on the scene and he said a Pastor that knew Tyler Peterson well, said that TP had just completed SWAT TEAM training. So he had to be an excellent shooter.

Those poor young people never stood a chance.

imoo

[BrowneyedEmily]

Fox just had a reporter on the scene and he said a Pastor that knew Tyler Peterson well, said that TP had just completed SWAT TEAM training. So he had to be an excellent shooter.

Those poor young people never stood a chance.

imoo

Wow, that's awful. While there have been instances in the past that have made me believe SWAT team members haven't received the best training, it's definitely better than what typical LE and "normal" citizens have. What poor kids...

[cheko1]

Fox just had a reporter on the scene and he said a Pastor that knew Tyler Peterson well, said that TP had just completed SWAT TEAM training. So he had to be an excellent shooter.

Those poor young people never stood a chance.

imoo

I also heard that he had went to the house earlier & got into a fight with his Ex girlfriend......he left & came back with his guns shooting everyone.

[Taximom]

This just gets me so angry. Even if you think you are protecting your children from danger, you just never know what one of their friends or acquaintances might do.

This has to be so difficult for all the families. I wonder if his family will make a statement?

[PrayersForMaura]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting_victims;_ylt=Ah8zB4l2UcjVmaL5t3 WUXz1H2ocA

profile of CORRECTION: 2 victims

[cheko1]

Your so correct Taximom.....
I am so glad I have my kids all raised. With my Grandkids getting to be a age where they want to psend time with friends you just never know when you could get a phone call & your life can be changed forever.

These kids were just at friends house, not bothering a soul. All gunned down for no reason! To think a Swat Team member could / would do this is unthinkable.

[PrayersForMaura]

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/10/08/wisconsin.victims.ap/art.stahl.jpg
One of the victims of Sunday's shooting was 14-year-old Lindsey Stahl, her mother said.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/10/08/wisconsin.victims.ap/index.html

[PrayersForMaura]

did the 7th victim die? I just saw a headline "7 shot dead..."
Oh never mind ... they were counting the shooter as one of the dead :doh:

Apprently he had someone held hostage when he was shot. I wonder who that poor person was?

[SuziQ]

Now the press conference has been moved to 1pm CST.

[Trino]

I don't care for the idea of a 20 yr. old being a deputy sheriff. While there certainly are exceptions, most 20 yr. olds don't have their life together yet. Cripes! The kid couldn't even legally drink! I'll bet heads will roll and lawsuits will follow.

One big question is what training and evaluation did recruits need to meet to become a deputy? Maybe in those small towns there isn't a lot of potential recruits from which to choose.

[cheko1]

did the 7th victim die? I just saw a headline "7 shot dead..."
Oh never mind ... they were counting the shooter as one of the dead :doh:

Apprently he had someone held hostage when he was shot. I wonder who that poor person was?

Lastnight they stated he held 6 hostages before he was shot!

[Taximom]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting;_ylt=AuTyleA_4wDf_BYs0lBoy69H2o cA

Peterson's father, Steve Peterson, said that the family planned to draft a statement to the public, but declined Monday to talk in detail. Nothing his family said about him now would be believable to most people, he said.
"It is very trying," he said.

and
The shooting raised questions among residents about whether Peterson had met requirements to become a law enforcement officer. David Franz, who is married to Marci Franz, said it was hard to accept that someone in law enforcement was the gunman.
"The first statement we said to each other was, 'How did he get through the system?'" Franz said.

[Trino]

Lastnight they stated he held 6 hostages before he was shot!

The person who was shot and released from the hospital was another officer. Apparently, before Peterson was killed, there were gunshots exchanged between him and his LE comrades.

However, there is still another person from the party who is still hospitalized in critical condition.

[SuziQ]

[quote=Taximom;1724767]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting;_ylt=AuTyleA_4wDf_BYs0lBoy69H2o cA

Peterson's father, Steve Peterson, said that the family planned to draft a statement to the public, but declined Monday to talk in detail. Nothing his family said about him now would be believable to most people, he said.
"It is very trying," he said.

I'm not dissing Petersons parents here. The comments people make under stress are odd sometimes.

[cheko1]

The person who was shot and released from the hospital was another officer. Apparently, before Peterson was killed, there were gunshots exchanged between him and his LE comrades.

However, there is still another person from the party who is still hospitalized in critical condition.

Thanks Trino I must of missed that!

[cheko1]

[quote=Taximom;1724767]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting;_ylt=AuTyleA_4wDf_BYs0lBoy69H2o cA

Peterson's father, Steve Peterson, said that the family planned to draft a statement to the public, but declined Monday to talk in detail. Nothing his family said about him now would be believable to most people, he said.
"It is very trying," he said.

I'm not dissing Petersons parents here. The comments people make under stress are odd sometimes.


Yes, I thought that statement was pretty off the wall too.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Does anyone know if they're streaming the PC?

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Never mind, it's streaming here.

http://www.wisn.com/index.html

[Taximom]

[quote=SuziQ;1724789]


Yes, I thought that statement was pretty off the wall too.


I think they are probably as surprised he did this as anyone else is. Maybe he lived his two different lives very well, and hid them from his family too.

[CaliKid]

So were these hostages the ones he killed or others?

[SuziQ]

Cnn.com is having the presser. I like CNN over local stations because the local reporters usually interrupt or cut the presser short.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Awesome, thanks :)

[Taximom]

Fox says they are covering it too, starting now.

[BrowneyedEmily]

PC:

TP went to the house and argued, went to his car and got a gun, forced his way in and fired about 30 rounds. then he left the apartment and fired rounds at a responding officer, hit his cruiser and injured him, and then ran. They found him, shots were exchanged, and he was dead. They're performing autopsies on TP and victims.

[Taximom]

Atty Genl speaking. Thoughts and prayers go out to the families. Will continue to investigate this matter to establish an understanding of what happened. Still seeking answers. Investigation is ongoing.

Confirm now:
all evidence perp was Tyler Peterson and only him
2:47 a.m. 201 N. Hazelbel Apt B, TP entered, argument ensued, TP left the bldg, retrieved a rifle from his truck and forcibly reentered apartment. Approx. 30 rounds were fired. Naming victims now. Single survivor who was shot and has been interviewed by the DOJ. After he opened fire in the apt. he left and began shooting numerous rounds at Officer Carter, striking his car injuring Carter. TP then fled.

Agents and DOJ personnel were dispatched when asked for help. They are lead investigators. After TP fled, he was a fugitive. TP had phone conversations with LE, including Crandon Police Chief confirming he was the shooter. They located him (couldn't type fast enough for location where he was found) Shots were fired by LE and TP but won't say till autopsy is complete how he died. All the victims are undergoing autopsies.

Still working to complete the investigation. etc etc about different agencies involved etc.

Not all information in the media is accurate, some is speculation.

TP was employed by the Crandon PD and the Forest County Sheriff's dept. Both agencies cooperating in the investigation.

[BrowneyedEmily]

Superintendent:

School district working with LE agencies and AG and will not comment on investigation. Focus on helping students cope with the tragedy - extend sympathy to families and friends of young people who have died. Experts say returning to some type of normalcy asap is very important to help children begin healing process. Reopening school on Wed. District staff is processing tragedy and planning for students' return. Received offers from various school districts and will accept services that best help students and staff begin healing process.


Family memorial fund established - deposits made at any Leola (sp?) State Bank location to help families. Taking time to assess needs of students, staff, families and community before making decisions on school events. What they know now:
JV Football game - cancelled
Middle school basketball games tomorrow - cancelled
Girls volleyball game - undetermined
Varsity football game Friday - undetermined

Coaches and teams will make decisions on games.

Counseling services were available at a chapel - school counseling services for students will continue on Wed. at school. Do not know when funerals will be planned. Anticipate announcements will be made by families and authorities.

[Taximom]

Peterson family statement sounds like they are in shock over this too. I hope emily got it!

Good job and thanks, emily!

[BrowneyedEmily]

Pastor:

Asked by TP family to share statement:

Our hearts go out ot the victims, their families and their friends. We are grieving for yoru losses, we are very sorry for what has happened. This huge tragdey deeply affected everyone. Feel guilt and shame for TP acts. Struggling to respond like most of you. Don't know what we should to - many asking why and looking for answers. There is nothing that happened before or after yesterday's events that has given us any insight into why. We are in shock, disbelief that he would do such terrible things. This is not the Tyler we knew and loved. We don't know how to act - express love and support, are unsure of appropriate. Are hurting for all your losses as well as ours.


I didn't get all of it, some of it though!

[Taximom]

Said the gun/rifle he used was an AR-15:
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/oly_k9gl-angle-left.jpg

Just heard no psych exam done. WHY NOT?

[BrowneyedEmily]

Q&A:

There was some type of dispute.

They were in a relationship in a few years, broken up back and forth. She was with friends, not with another BF - but still under investigation.

Approx. 2:47 am was when cop was not shot - received glass, etc. injuries. Treated and released.

Where gun came from? Still being investigated and confirmed, including whether there were multiple guns. The rifle was an AR15. LE uses a similar type of rifle - not confirmed that from LE, but is used by sheriff's department.

Victims? Asleep? Awake? Where in house? Details about victims - still being collected and confirmed to put together entire story, understand what going through.

Training TP received? Screening? He met the requirements to be hired in state of WI. Went through background investigations, ride-alongs, training. Not a psychological evaulation. Had no indication this would occur - shock, but important to realize that we treated him no longer as a cop, he was treated as a fugitive.

Conversation on phone with TP? Not getting into demands TP may have made to DAs office. DA had discussions with TP, attempt to have him surrender, discussion as to how accomplished, did attempt to negotiate settlement, but unsuccessful. We did talk to him, attempted to resolve the situation, but that was unsuccessful. When I talked to him on the phone, he was calm, he understood dilemma he was in. Not certain where he was at - he was on the phone.


Maybe more coming....

[BrowneyedEmily]

Concluding Remarks:

Another PC tomorrow morning, but if have a lot of new info. maybe today.

Reasons why called PC to close with no other questions: many people commented to press about ongoing events. Want to make sure people know that the only info. can take as absolutely accurate is info. from DOJ. We do not want to mislead any members of the public. Victim's families who received most of info. from press. Info. may be inaccurate. Trying to release as early as possible as much info. as possible to make sure press, community and victim's families are as informed as possible. Much of info. in questions asking will be able to release in near future, but because of...investigation, multiple crime scenes, short passage of time, not confident in our answers to all questions. Do not have further information, will have more as soon as receive it.

[Mygirlsadie]

I feel very very sorry for his family. I would hate to be in their shoes right now. Not only did they lose a child also but their child is the one responsible for taking 6 other lives..I think I can kind of understand their comment about ''It is very trying,''





[quote=Taximom;1724767]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071008/ap_on_re_us/wisconsin_shooting;_ylt=AuTyleA_4wDf_BYs0lBoy69H2o cA

Peterson's father, Steve Peterson, said that the family planned to draft a statement to the public, but declined Monday to talk in detail. Nothing his family said about him now would be believable to most people, he said. "It is very trying,"
he said.

I'm not dissing Petersons parents here. The comments people make under stress are odd sometimes.

[cheko1]

[quote=Mygirlsadie;1724947]I feel very very sorry for his family. I would hate to be in their shoes right now. Not only did they lose a child also but their child is the one responsible for taking 6 other lives..I think I can kind of understand their comment about ''It is very trying,''

After hearing the statement from the family it made me heartsick......
They are also related to some of his victims & how would you be able to cope? They couldn't of did anything to prevent it from happening. They were probably in bed sleeping. I feel sorry for them.

[Taximom]

Emily, thanks again for the transcript. Someday I won't have cable and I'll really appreciate things like this!

I'm glad you caught "no psych exam" because right after I heard a Fox reporter say basically "TP passed all the police exams, psych exams" etc. My eyeballs popped out of my head because that's not what I heard from the PC.

I swear we would make better reporters than half of the ones on TV.

[Squishified]

Emily, thanks again for the transcript. Someday I won't have cable and I'll really appreciate things like this!

I'm glad you caught "no psych exam" because right after I heard a Fox reporter say basically "TP passed all the police exams, psych exams" etc. My eyeballs popped out of my head because that's not what I heard from the PC.

I swear we would make better reporters than half of the ones on TV.
Did he have to pass those psych exams to be a cop? Is that what they mean?

[oceanblueeyes]

Gunman told friend he lost control after they began to call him a "worthless pig."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=672136

But the way I am reading this article it doesn't say he got in a shootout with police I don't think. The man said TP walked about 50 yards outside the friend's home and was shot by the police that had surrounded the 200 acres.

How do ya ll interpret it? The friend did talk him into talking to the police and giving up his AK15 police issued assault rifle but he would not surrender his pistol.

imoo

[Taximom]

Did he have to pass those psych exams to be a cop? Is that what they mean?

Hi Squishified!

I have NO clue what the reporter meant. I heard distinctly from the press conf. that TP passed several police exams (probably physical, law enforcement knowledge etc) but there was no psych exam given. Hopefully that reporter corrects his statement before long.

[Trino]

I just wonder if a little common sense wouldn't have gone a long way. Twenty years old seems quite young to be in law enforcement. We've been informed he was a deputy with Forest County since January 2007, but how long did he work part time with the Crandon Police Department? If Peterson graduated at 18 from h.s., how long did he actually spend training? (Obviously, not long enough.)

I, too, feel sorry for the family. How can they survive in this town when nearly everyone in Crandon knows or is related to one of the victims?

[KatK]

Hi Squishified!

I have NO clue what the reporter meant. I heard distinctly from the press conf. that TP passed several police exams (probably physical, law enforcement knowledge etc) but there was no psych exam given. Hopefully that reporter corrects his statement before long.

I heard it too, it was very carefully stated that there was *NO* psych exam given to him, but that he passed every "required" exam in order to be a police officer/deputy.

[Mygirlsadie]

I interpret it the same as you. It says nothing about a shoot-out or a hostage...





Gunman told friend he lost control after they began to call him a "worthless pig."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=672136

But the way I am reading this article it doesn't say he got in a shootout with police I don't think. The man said TP walked about 50 yards outside the friend's home and was shot by the police that had surrounded the 200 acres.

How do ya ll interpret it? The friend did talk him into talking to the police and giving up his AK15 police issued assault rifle but he would not surrender his pistol.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

I heard it too, it was very carefully stated that there was *NO* psych exam given to him, but that he passed every "required" exam in order to be a police officer/deputy.

So psych exams in Wisconsin must not be mandatory? Because the police officer stressed he passed all required exams.

imoo

[oceanblueeyes]

I interpret it the same as you. It says nothing about a shoot-out or a hostage...

Maybe they were telling to stop in his tracks and get down on the ground or they would shoot and he just kept walking. I don't think he ever intended to give himself up. He knew the police would kill him if he did not obey commands.

imoo

[Trino]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:
"Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers..."


Here's another "take" on what happened:
http://www.wisn.com/news/14293447/detail.html

"After Peterson left the apartment, he fired rounds at a responding police officer and struck the cruiser. The officer suffered minor injuries from flying glass."

[oceanblueeyes]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:

Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers...

Guess we'll need to wait for more results. I'm not convinced that the 50 yards story isn't true.

Me either the father of the friend seemed very honest to me. I think he was trying to tell what he saw unfolding. They had known Tyler for so long and no matter what he had done it had to be hard for them seeing him killed.

Such a tragedy. I wish he had just thought before he reacted and caused such horror and grief.

imoo

[Trino]

The same article says Peterson was found in a residence in the town of Argonne hours later and that shots were fired by both Peterson and and law enforcement officers.

The critically wounded young man has been upgraded to serious, although there has been no reports of the extent of his injuries.

[oceanblueeyes]

[QUOTE=Trino;1725259]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:
"Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers..."


Here's another "take" on what happened:
http://www.wisn.com/news/14293447/detail.html
******************************************
Oops I messed up your quote Trino. I am sorry.

I think the confusion is there were two different places.

From what has been said the police officer that was hit by shattering glass was at the original scene where the shootings occurred. This would support the neighbors saying they heard 5-6 shots then a pause and about 6 more shots then about 8 shots when they heard TPs tires screeching off when he fled. Remember when the neighbor heard it she was going to call 911 but noticed the police were already there?

I think in the PC today they said that the officer did not pursue TP at that time. He probably called and waited for backup.

So that still doesn't clear up if he was in another shootout in Argonne. I tend to think he wasn't but did not comply to their demands and kept walking knowing they would fire if he didn't.

JMO of course. lol

Ocean

[mysteriew]

Psych exams are required by some police and sheriff's depts. But it is not something that is required by state or fed. gov. Therefore smaller police depts and sheriffs depts. and even some state LE don't give them routinely. They rely on their training instructors observations, background info, their own impressions of the officer.
If there are any problems with an officer on the job, they may or may not be referred for psych.

LOL, in some small LE you do get some who are shall we say, have an inflated sense of their 'power'.

[oceanblueeyes]

The same article says Peterson was found in a residence in the town of Argonne hours later and that shots were fired by both Peterson and and law enforcement officers.

The critically wounded young man has been upgraded to serious, although there has been no reports of the extent of his injuries.

Ok Trino, I read the article closer and I guess he shot back at the officers in both places.

Suicide by cop..........Tyler knew they would kill him and they did just as he knew they would do. I guess he wasn't strong enough to take his own life so he let them do it for him.

imoo

[Taximom]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300003,00.html

Foxnews says he exchanged gunfire with officers:
"Tyler Peterson, 20, who later died after exchanging gunfire with law enforcement officers..."


Here's another "take" on what happened:
http://www.wisn.com/news/14293447/detail.html

"After Peterson left the apartment, he fired rounds at a responding police officer and struck the cruiser. The officer suffered minor injuries from flying glass."

The 2nd part of the above quote happened right after he killed those kids, right outside of that home. The 1st part is from when they located him a few miles away and had called in other agencies to help. That's where LE isn't saying whether they killed him or he killed himself, due to multiple shots being fired. That's what I heard anyway!

ETA: I just saw Ocean's next comment about this! Sorry for the duplicate info.

[SuziQ]

[quote=Mygirlsadie;1724947]I feel very very sorry for his family. I would hate to be in their shoes right now. Not only did they lose a child also but their child is the one responsible for taking 6 other lives..I think I can kind of understand their comment about ''It is very trying,''

After hearing the statement from the family it made me heartsick......
They are also related to some of his victims & how would you be able to cope? They couldn't of did anything to prevent it from happening. They were probably in bed sleeping. I feel sorry for them.

To clarify my point of the original post, which by the way, I said I wasn't dissing the parents. It was just an observation on how stress makes you say the oddest things. Because the situation for his parents is way beyond "trying". It's downright horrifying!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

I just wonder if a little common sense wouldn't have gone a long way. Twenty years old seems quite young to be in law enforcement. We've been informed he was a deputy with Forest County since January 2007, but how long did he work part time with the Crandon Police Department? If Peterson graduated at 18 from h.s., how long did he actually spend training? (Obviously, not long enough.)

I, too, feel sorry for the family. How can they survive in this town when nearly everyone in Crandon knows or is related to one of the victims?
I don't know if this applies in WI, but C.L.E.E.T. basic training for full time peace officers here is 326 hours. Also it requires that they have a HS education or a GED and be 21yo before completion of basic certification training. This seems to only apply to full time here and he was only part time with their PD.

http://www.cleet.state.ok.us/about.htm

[cheko1]

Psych exams are required by some police and sheriff's depts. But it is not something that is required by state or fed. gov. Therefore smaller police depts and sheriffs depts. and even some state LE don't give them routinely. They rely on their training instructors observations, background info, their own impressions of the officer.
If there are any problems with an officer on the job, they may or may not be referred for psych.

LOL, in some small LE you do get some who are shall we say, have an inflated sense of their 'power'.


Our small town has had several "power freak cops". They hired one & he was the town drunk in the next town over. He was a wise guy / always belittling people & throwing his badge around like he was King Tut. They had sooooo many complaints against him they finally let him go. This guy was nuts & a drunk.......but he did his little stint is what we call it here. He rode around in a cruiser with other cops / had connecvtions & was hired.

I asked where he got his training ( just curious) from the police chief. Later the chief got fired for cruel & inhuman treatment / theft & had to do time in jail / he would go to parties & take alcohol from the kids then sell it to the bars or take it home & drink it.

Now I'm not saying all LE is like that because I know they ARE NOT!
But some little towns don't have the standards as the bigger towns. Normally in order for someone to get hired so young they have to have connections.....I bet that will come out he had to of been related to someone to get hired so young! We'll watch & see if I'm correct!

[cheko1]

[quote=cheko1;1725015]

To clarify my point of the original post, which by the way, I said I wasn't dissing the parents. It was just an observation on how stress makes you say the oddest things. Because the situation for his parents is way beyond "trying". It's downright horrifying!!!!

Oh SuziQ......:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

I didn't mean it that way........
I just meant being the parents how could they cope???
They live in a small town / probably friends & neighbors & related to most of them. How sad for them!!!

I knew you were NOT dissing them! I'm so SORRY you thought I meant that.....please forgive me!!! :truce: :truce: :truce: :truce:

[SuziQ]

[quote=SuziQ;1725417]

Oh SuziQ......:blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss: :blowkiss:

I didn't mean it that way........
I just meant being the parents how could they cope???
They live in a small town / probably friends & neighbors & related to most of them. How sad for them!!!

I knew you were NOT dissing them! I'm so SORRY you thought I meant that.....please forgive me!!! :truce: :truce: :truce: :truce:

Lol, it's cool. I just wanted to clarify my post before anyone else commented on it! You know what got me about Petersons dad? When he said, IIRC, that they don't know what to say, because no one would believe it anyways. Very sad and very true.

[SuziQ]

Gunman told friend he lost control after they began to call him a "worthless pig."

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=672136

But the way I am reading this article it doesn't say he got in a shootout with police I don't think. The man said TP walked about 50 yards outside the friend's home and was shot by the police that had surrounded the 200 acres.

How do ya ll interpret it? The friend did talk him into talking to the police and giving up his AK15 police issued assault rifle but he would not surrender his pistol.

imoo

Wow, and how many 911 calls were made over how many hours? It doesn't appear that Peterson was holding this family hostage either.

[cheko1]

[quote=cheko1;1725473]

Lol, it's cool. I just wanted to clarify my post before anyone else commented on it! You know what got me about Petersons dad? When he said, IIRC, that they don't know what to say, because no one would believe it anyways. Very sad and very true.


Yes living in a small town in Wi like I do. Oh my gosh!!! I truely have the deepest sympathy for the Peterson family. They will be shunned by everyone..........I sincerely hope that doesn't happen to them.

But we all know thats the way it really is. It just breaks my heart for his poor family. They I bet were sleeping minding there own business when it occured. The pain they must feel!!! SOOOOO SAD!!!

[philamena]

Horrifying situation for all involved.
I have a few questions:
Did the gunman/cop show any signs of depression?
Did he mention to anyone that he was planning on attending the party even though he and his gf had broken up?
Lastly, in my state you cannot be a policeman if you're not 21 when you graduate from the academy.

[cheko1]

Horrifying situation for all involved.
I have a few questions:
Did the gunman/cop show any signs of depression?
Did he mention to anyone that he was planning on attending the party even though he and his gf had broken up?
Lastly, in my state you cannot be a policeman if you're not 21 when you graduate from the academy.

In 1 article I read he was depressed on account of the break up.
He had seen some friends about *;30 pm & told them he was going home.
In Wis you apparently can be a cop at 19, scarey as it sounds. Its not what you know in Wi its who you know.

[mssheila]

Hi Guys- I was listening to Wisconsin Public Radio today, and the host Ben Merens was discussing this incident with a reporter. The reporter had spoken directly with the man who spent the last hours with the suspect after the shooting. Some interesting information came about. I hope there is a transcript. Here's a link to the host's page.

http://wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=bme

[SuziQ]

Hi Guys- I was listening to Wisconsin Public Radio today, and the host Ben Merens was discussing this incident with a reporter. The reporter had spoken directly with the man who spent the last hours with the suspect after the shooting. Some interesting information came about. I hope there is a transcript. Here's a link to the host's page.

http://wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=bme

Thank You! There is an audio, I'm starting to listen to it right now.

[cheko1]

Hi Guys- I was listening to Wisconsin Public Radio today, and the host Ben Merens was discussing this incident with a reporter. The reporter had spoken directly with the man who spent the last hours with the suspect after the shooting. Some interesting information came about. I hope there is a transcript. Here's a link to the host's page.

http://wpr.org/webcasting/audioarchives_display.cfm?Code=bme


Thank you mssheila! I am listening to it now.

[oceanblueeyes]

In 1 article I read he was depressed on account of the break up.
He had seen some friends about *;30 pm & told them he was going home.
In Wis you apparently can be a cop at 19, scarey as it sounds. Its not what you know in Wi its who you know.

Yes, he must have cared deeply for this girl. I don't think he had any intentions of going there....not at 8:30 pm anyway. He probably drove by there later and recognized all the cars in the driveway and he may could have seen them through the windows from the outside. IMO he probably parked somewhere close by and began obsessing about what he thought was going on in that house and how quickly she had gone on with her life. When he couldn't control himself anymore I think that is when he approached the door pleading with her to be his girlfriend again but when the others and maybe she started calling him names like "worthless pig" he went ballistic. I think they probably said many other things to him than just the "pig" statement.

I think this had a lot to do with immaturity. One of the Cranden citizens yesterday said this was a crime of passion. I wish he had just left and calmed down and remembered that no crisis last forever and in time it would have been better.

The father of his friend said that TP was very remorseful for what he had done and that is why imo he made the confrontation happen with the Swat Team. He knew one pull of the sniper's trigger and it would be all over for him and he wouldn't have to think about what he had done to so many innocent people including his own parents.

imoo

[Trino]

Yes, he must have cared deeply for this girl. I don't think he had any intentions of going there....not at 8:30 pm anyway. He probably drove by there later and recognized all the cars in the driveway and he may could have seen them through the windows from the outside. IMO he probably parked somewhere close by and began obsessing about what he thought was going on in that house and how quickly she had gone on with her life. When he couldn't control himself anymore I think that is when he approached the door pleading with her to be his girlfriend again but when the others and maybe she started calling him names like "worthless pig" he went ballistic. I think they probably said many other things to him than just the "pig" statement.

I think this had a lot to do with immaturity. One of the Cranden citizens yesterday said this was a crime of passion. I wish he had just left and calmed down and remembered that no crisis last forever and in time it would have been better.

The father of his friend said that TP was very remorseful for what he had done and that is why imo he made the confrontation happen with the Swat Team. He knew one pull of the sniper's trigger and it would be all over for him and he wouldn't have to think about what he had done to so many innocent people including his own parents.imoo

One can only imagine what life behind bars would have been for a cop who killed 6 unarmed people, one of them just 14. Peterson, undoubtedly, knew all of this before the last time he walked out.

A previous poster said that a person could be a cop at age 19 in WI. Can you imagine a middle-aged couple involved in a domestic dispute calling 911 and having a kid arrive? Or, how about an underage cop arresting someone for under-age drinking? Crazy.

Here's what it takes to be a cop in Wisconsin:
The state of Wisconsin doesn't make a psychological evaluation mandatory. The state says applicants should not possess mental or emotional troubles that would adversely affect their duties as an officer. Applicants must also be at least 18 years of age, have a two-year associate degree or 60 college-level credits, and have no felony convictions and no misdemeanor convictions involving domestic violence. What is Wisconsin thinking?

http://www.wisn.com/news/14296792/detail.html

According to this article, Peterson was hired as full-time deputy sheriff on Sept. 11, 2006, at the age of 19, according to personnel records released by the Forest County clerk.

Nineteen and you can be a full-time deputy? Again, what is Wisconsin thinking?

[Trino]

I wonder who and why the people at the party called Peterson a "worthless pig." He held a full-time and a part-time job. That doesn't seem worthless to me.

[SuziQ]

I wonder who and why the people at the party called Peterson a "worthless pig." He held a full-time and a part-time job. That doesn't seem worthless to me.

And he must have had the college credits to get that job.

[cheko1]

Many of the reasons they hire young inexperienced cops is its cheap labor. They can hire LE for $8000.00 to $12,000.00 per yr. The less experience the cheaper the labor.

I am sure that will be the case for TP. The small towns don't have much in the line of budgets for LE.

I heard tonight, TP had a very bad temper. Someone in LE had to of known that about him in a small town.

I still think he was hired by someone who was related to him on the council board / LE / mayor or someone of importance.Thats small town Wi.

[philamena]

In 1 article I read he was depressed on account of the break up.
He had seen some friends about *;30 pm & told them he was going home.
In Wis you apparently can be a cop at 19, scarey as it sounds. Its not what you know in Wi its who you know.
cheko1,
hi and thanks for the information.
Earlier this evening I got a chance to watch a news report about the shootings--understandably it's devastated the entire town.:( Fox News reported that the shooter's parents were grieving with the families of those who were killed....the community was that close knit.

[cheko1]

To become a Deputy Sheriff in the state of Wis:

The state says applicants should not possess mental or emotional troubles that would adversely affect their duties as an officer. Applicants must also be at least 18 years of age, have a two-year associate degree or 60 college-level credits, and have no felony convictions and no misdemeanor convictions involving domestic violence.

This doesn't really make sense, if TP was hired at 19 how could he of got his 2 yr associate degree? Or 60 college level credits?

[cheko1]

cheko1,
hi and thanks for the information.
Earlier this evening I got a chance to watch a news report about the shootings--understandably it's devastated the entire town.:( Fox News reported that the shooter's parents were grieving with the families of those who were killed....the community was that close knit.

Yes they are related to some of them. 2 of the guys he killed were his very best friends......it's just so sad.

[philamena]

OMG! I hadn't read that. How sad.....

[cheko1]

OMG! I hadn't read that. How sad.....

On the News this morning I heard that the 14 yr old girl who he killed was related to him. News painted all of them as very close friends.

[CaliKid]

And how can anyone truly assess someone that young for emotional fitness?

[MagicRose99]

And how can anyone truly assess someone that young for emotional fitness?

I'm not sure how other agencies do things, but when my son applied for the CHP, part of the exam process was an written test where they asked him some deep questions, such as "Do you hate your sibling?", "Do you love to garden", "Do you hate roses?".

They also wanted to know everything about his life, from fighting with siblings to shoplifting, problems in school, to drug use... very in depth.

The next process is the oral interview where they ask you about your answers on the written portions of the test.

Third is the "voice stress" test aka lie detector test

Fourth they ask your 5 close non-related references questions about you and your attitudes, views, feelings, etc.

They warn at the beginning of all the testing... out of 50 applicants only about 5 will go on to the academy.

[cheko1]

I'm not sure how other agencies do things, but when my son applied for the CHP, part of the exam process was an written test where they asked him some deep questions, such as "Do you hate your sibling?", "Do you love to garden", "Do you hate roses?".

They also wanted to know everything about his life, from fighting with siblings to shoplifting, problems in school, to drug use... very in depth.

The next process is the oral interview where they ask you about your answers on the written portions of the test.

Third is the "voice stress" test aka lie detector test

Fourth they ask your 5 close non-related references questions about you and your attitudes, views, feelings, etc.

They warn at the beginning of all the testing... out of 50 applicants only about 5 will go on to the academy.

Thanks MagicRose,
I wondered what agencies in other states did, before hiring LE.
Apparently Wis is really lax in the hiring of LE. Since even the Govenor never knew the process maybe that will get changed now.

[AfterMidnight]

Yes, he must have cared deeply for this girl. I don't think he had any intentions of going there....not at 8:30 pm anyway. He probably drove by there later and recognized all the cars in the driveway and he may could have seen them through the windows from the outside. IMO he probably parked somewhere close by and began obsessing about what he thought was going on in that house and how quickly she had gone on with her life. When he couldn't control himself anymore I think that is when he approached the door pleading with her to be his girlfriend again but when the others and maybe she started calling him names like "worthless pig" he went ballistic. I think they probably said many other things to him than just the "pig" statement.

I think this had a lot to do with immaturity. One of the Cranden citizens yesterday said this was a crime of passion. I wish he had just left and calmed down and remembered that no crisis last forever and in time it would have been better.

The father of his friend said that TP was very remorseful for what he had done and that is why imo he made the confrontation happen with the Swat Team. He knew one pull of the sniper's trigger and it would be all over for him and he wouldn't have to think about what he had done to so many innocent people including his own parents.

imoo

Imagine what this girl friends life would have been like if she had married him.

[SuziQ]

I guess I am searching for answers. But Peterson, almost looks like an over achiever. If he met the college credits and taken swat training as reported, and held two law enforcement jobs, he accomplished alot by the age of 20. I haven't heard anyone saying anything bad about this guy. Then you have his peer group calling him a worthless pig. Why would his good friends and family members turn on him like that? In the radio program it was stated that this was not a party like gathering. It was more like friends supporting a friend. What is that about?

[cheko1]

I guess I am searching for answers. But Peterson, almost looks like an over achiever. If he met the college credits and taken swat training as reported, and held two law enforcement jobs, he accomplished alot by the age of 20. I haven't heard anyone saying anything bad about this guy. Then you have his peer group calling him a worthless pig. Why would his good friends and family members turn on him like that? In the radio program it was stated that this was not a party like gathering. It was more like friends supporting a friend. What is that about?

I am with you on this......I totally fail to see how he could of gotten that many college credits & could not of had a 2 yr associate degree by the time he was 19 yrs old to be hired as a deputy. Something just isn't right???
If TP was smart enough to become a deputy & complied with with the college credits / wouldn't you of thought somewhere along the lines of sticks & stones may break my bones......but words will never harm me?

I'm sure we'll be hearing more as the days go by, especially with the National media involved. We'll see Wis is way behind on the scope of achievers being hired by LE. Its a disgrace!!!

Can you imagine if everytime someone got called a name such as "worthless pig" they went out & murdered 6 people?

[cheko1]

Imagine what this girl friends life would have been like if she had married him.

No kidding!!!
Marriage wouldn't of helped this relationship.

[cheko1]

Gunman's motives remain a mystery in Wisconsin mass killing. (http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_7122027) Pioneer Press




This article will clear up a few things!!! After reading this it put things in a better light for me.He probably wasn't qualified for the job when he was hired / his family had clout & that means everything in small town Wisconsin!

[oceanblueeyes]

I am with you on this......I totally fail to see how he could of gotten that many college credits & could not of had a 2 yr associate degree by the time he was 19 yrs old to be hired as a deputy. Something just isn't right???
If TP was smart enough to become a deputy & complied with with the college credits / wouldn't you of thought somewhere along the lines of sticks & stones may break my bones......but words will never harm me?

I'm sure we'll be hearing more as the days go by, especially with the National media involved. We'll see Wis is way behind on the scope of achievers being hired by LE. Its a disgrace!!!

Can you imagine if every time someone got called a name such as "worthless pig" they went out & murdered 6 people?

I think this shows no matter what you can't take out the human being just because someone is a cop.

I don't feel he would have taken it to heart if some scumbag criminal had called him filthy names but due to his heart being on his sleeve about his personal relationship when his own friends began to join in and heckle him it stung like a scorpion's sting.

Imo it is who is trying to break you with sticks and stones. I think we all know words do hurt deeply especially if they come from someone we care about and are close to.

I am not sure how he got certified but I do believe the PC when he said he passed all that was required of him in the State of WI.

I am not even sure they do psyche testing on PD that is in an adjoining larger town from my town. If they do they are failing miserably because so many cops on the force have been caught doing illegal and corrupt things. Some in the city are more worried about some of these cops than the perps out there.

imoo

[cheko1]

I took this out of the article:
This kind of explains what I meant about small towns & my phrase its not what you know but who you know!

Former schoolmates described Peterson as someone who had, in high school, hoped to be popular, but never quite made it.
"He didn't have a lot of friends because he was arrogant," Michael Zold, 20, said. "He was always very stuck up, like he always had an attitude, 'I have money, I'm better than everybody else.' "
Zold added, "After he became an officer, it was a power trip to him."
Steven Bocek, whose nephew, Bradley Schultz, was one of the victims, said Peterson had gotten his police job so young, in part, because he was known in Crandon.
"The bottom line is he should have never been a police officer," Bocek said. "They have a bunch of young people there who shouldn't be there. It's mostly family members."

[tezi]

Wisconsin's requirements for hiring a LE officer are actually a lot better than the ones where I live in S. Arkansas! You do have to be 21 years old and have no felony convictions, but you have one year to attend the police academy after you are hired to be a LE officer!!!! Basically, if you are hired, they give you your gun, ticket book, and car and send you on your merry way!!!! No pysch evaluation is required either!!!

About eight years ago in a small town near where I live a police officer shot an unarmed man three times in the back because he wouldn't stop walking after the police officer told him to stop. There were plenty of witnesses to the shooting and one witness even said the police officer threw a gun near the victim! The gun turned out to be a gun that was used in a previous murder in the same town that LE was supposed to have destroyed! This gun was stolen from a pawn shop after it was supposed to be destroyed. Two years later, this same police officer killed another unarmed man involving similar circumstances. And he is still a police officer!!!!! I know the parents of the first victim sued the city, and the city settled out of court. This city has less than 5,000 citizens. I should add that this police officer had NOT attended the police academy before the first shooting.

Sorry to get so far off topic!!!

I feel so sorry for the victims, the victim's families, and the family of the shooter in this incident. I hope that Wisconsin, Arkansas, and other states that have such lax requirements for hiring LE officers look at this case and change the requirements!!!!

[philamena]

http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_7126108
Snip from above article--

He said the 20-year-old Peterson came to his door about five hours after the rampage early Sunday and calmly told him what happened.
"He wasn't running around crazy or anything. He was very, very sorry for what he did," Kegley told the newspaper, adding he gave Peterson coffee and food and later made repeated calls to911. Kegley also said his family coaxed Peterson into giving up his assault rifle, but he kept a pistol in the back of his shirt.

[philamena]

Did his parents/family know about the shootings?
Did they know that he had a gun in the back of his shirt?

[cheko1]

It was stated in one of the articles that he left the friends home to go see his Mom & Grandma.

I guess I just don't understand if LE knew he was at the friends home why they never arrested him. Nobody was held hostage, they cooked him food to eat. The parents went to see where LE was at. So some of it don't make sense to me.

[SeriouslySearching]

The whole thing makes no sense. I feel so very, very sorry for everyone involved including his parents. The kid lost it. He would have been charged with six counts of First Degree Murder and probably have been given the DP. His suicide saved his family from going through tremendous grief in the end, but I am sure this is of no consolation to them.

[Mygirlsadie]

You know what scares me is that I had a boyfriend one time who was exactly like this. When I saw this guys picture I was like whoa! They could be brothers they look soooo much alike. My x boyfriend got kicked out of the army and put in jail for assault and got out and ran his car into a pregnant girl and jammed her up against a tree killing her unborn baby. He was sick. My best friend called me years ago to tell me she was driving home from work one night and and he came up behind her and she had to pull over because he was basically forcing her to when he got out of his car he went to her window and asked where I was. She told him that she don't talk to me anymore. Anyway I had to move and to this day I am unlisted in the phone book and I always use a fake name on websites etc..people like this scare me & this was years ago.. p.s when he found out I got married he would sit outside my husbands work and stalk him..he even asked my husbands co-workers questions about my husband..






I took this out of the article:
This kind of explains what I meant about small towns & my phrase its not what you know but who you know!

Former schoolmates described Peterson as someone who had, in high school, hoped to be popular, but never quite made it.
"He didn't have a lot of friends because he was arrogant," Michael Zold, 20, said. "He was always very stuck up, like he always had an attitude, 'I have money, I'm better than everybody else.' "
Zold added, "After he became an officer, it was a power trip to him."
Steven Bocek, whose nephew, Bradley Schultz, was one of the victims, said Peterson had gotten his police job so young, in part, because he was known in Crandon.
"The bottom line is he should have never been a police officer," Bocek said. "They have a bunch of young people there who shouldn't be there. It's mostly family members."

[SeriouslySearching]

Yes, those are exactly the kind of men who commit these types of crimes. You are smart to maintain your anonimity. I hope he has given up on you and has sought treatment, but my guess would be he has turned his attention to someone else which is horrible.

[poco]

Here's what it takes to be a cop in Wisconsin:
The state of Wisconsin doesn't make a psychological evaluation mandatory. The state says applicants should not possess mental or emotional troubles that would adversely affect their duties as an officer. Applicants must also be at least 18 years of age, have a two-year associate degree or 60 college-level credits, and have no felony convictions and no misdemeanor convictions involving domestic violence. What is Wisconsin thinking?

http://www.wisn.com/news/14296792/detail.html

According to this article, Peterson was hired as full-time deputy sheriff on Sept. 11, 2006, at the age of 19, according to personnel records released by the Forest County clerk.

Nineteen and you can be a full-time deputy? Again, what is Wisconsin thinking?

We send them to war younger than that!

[SeriouslySearching]

We send them to war younger than that!This is a valid point!!! We sure do! :doh:

[cheko1]

You know what scares me is that I had a boyfriend one time who was exactly like this. When I saw this guys picture I was like whoa! They could be brothers they look soooo much alike. My x boyfriend got kicked out of the army and put in jail for assault and got out and ran his car into a pregnant girl and jammed her up against a tree killing her unborn baby. He was sick. My best friend called me years ago to tell me she was driving home from work one night and and he came up behind her and she had to pull over because he was basically forcing her to when he got out of his car he went to her window and asked where I was. She told him that she don't talk to me anymore. Anyway I had to move and to this day I am unlisted in the phone book and I always use a fake name on websites etc..people like this scare me & this was years ago.. p.s when he found out I got married he would sit outside my husbands work and stalk him..he even asked my husbands co-workers questions about my husband..

Oh Sadie that is horrible.......At least you were smart enough to get away from him.

[CaliKid]

As twisted as this case is, I guess it's a mixed blessing LE took care of him before there was a trial. Prosecuting him would put the entire town on trial.

[angelwngs]

We send them to war younger than that!

Exactly.

[cheko1]

As twisted as this case is, I guess it's a mixed blessing LE took care of him before there was a trial. Prosecuting him would put the entire town on trial.


Yes, that is very true........

[cheko1]

Profiles of the shooting victims:

http://www.channel3000.com/news/14298897/detail.html (http://www.channel3000.com/news/14298897/detail.html)#

[cheko1]

This is also very interesting: Tells about the survivor playing dead.


http://www.channel3000.com/news/14299134/detail.html (http://www.channel3000.com/news/14299134/detail.html)

[CaliKid]

This is also very interesting: Tells about the survivor playing dead.


http://www.channel3000.com/news/14299134/detail.html (http://www.channel3000.com/news/14299134/detail.html)

This is exactly what I'd do if confronted by a gunman and I had the time and my wits about me.

[dkitty]

This is exactly what I'd do if confronted by a gunman and I had the time and my wits about me.

Me too!!

[concernedperson]

Me too!!


Me, three.

[Mysticchic]

The whole thing makes no sense. I feel so very, very sorry for everyone involved including his parents. The kid lost it. He would have been charged with six counts of First Degree Murder and probably have been given the DP. His suicide saved his family from going through tremendous grief in the end, but I am sure this is of no consolation to them.

They don't have the DP in WI, but they are talking about it. WI has a high number of mass murders. In the past few years this is the 3rd one. The first was the hunters that were murdered. Second one was the Chruch shooting at the Sheridan in Milwaukee and this one. Everyone there seems to own a gun!
The police in WI have a very high rate of brutality and shootings (some fatal). Kenosha and Milwaukee are really bad when it comes to this.

[mssheila]

They don't have the DP in WI, but they are talking about it. WI has a high number of mass murders. In the past few years this is the 3rd one. The first was the hunters that were murdered. Second one was the Chruch shooting at the Sheridan in Milwaukee and this one. Everyone there seems to own a gun!
The police in WI have a very high rate of brutality and shootings (some fatal). Kenosha and Milwaukee are really bad when it comes to this.

Waitttt just a sec. I haven't heard anything along these lines. In fact, Madison police are often critisized for being like mayberry cops, as opposed to metropolitan police officers. Look at all the unsolved murders in Madison..... I know this is not directly related, but I do think it's important not to paint with such a broad brush.

[Indiana at Heart]

They don't have the DP in WI, but they are talking about it. WI has a high number of mass murders. In the past few years this is the 3rd one. The first was the hunters that were murdered. Second one was the Chruch shooting at the Sheridan in Milwaukee and this one. Everyone there seems to own a gun!
The police in WI have a very high rate of brutality and shootings (some fatal). Kenosha and Milwaukee are really bad when it comes to this.



I read the book on the hunters!!!

[Mygirlsadie]

Wow thank God he was able to do that. I would love to think I could do that if ever in that horrible situation but I already know I probably couldnt pull it off. I tend to hyperventilate. One time someone was trying to break in my house and instead of grabbing the phone to call 911 I stood there staring at the guy through the window and I was frozen solid hyperventilating..:banghead:




This is also very interesting: Tells about the survivor playing dead.


http://www.channel3000.com/news/14299134/detail.html (http://www.channel3000.com/news/14299134/detail.html)

[Paladin]

What's up with the name Peterson these days? Too many of them are going bonkers.

[cheko1]

I read the book on the hunters!!!


What is the name of the book?
Dang I must of missed that one. I knew some of the guys who were killed, also Loren the one who lived.

[lisag]

Waitttt just a sec. I haven't heard anything along these lines. In fact, Madison police are often critisized for being like mayberry cops, as opposed to metropolitan police officers. Look at all the unsolved murders in Madison..... I know this is not directly related, but I do think it's important not to paint with such a broad brush.

I agree!! My DH is LE in WI .... Let's not generalize or make false statements against WI LE just because one guy went wacko!

[cheko1]

Wow thank God he was able to do that. I would love to think I could do that if ever in that horrible situation but I already know I probably couldnt pull it off. I tend to hyperventilate. One time someone was trying to break in my house and instead of grabbing the phone to call 911 I stood there staring at the guy through the window and I was frozen solid hyperventilating..:banghead:

I sincerely wish I could of done it too...........but can't imagine being shot 3 times & not scream out in agony begging for help. Nope I'd of been gasping for air right along with you!!!

[cheko1]

I read this morning on CNN that TP had shot himself 3 times with his revolver / twice under the chin & once thru the right temple. He was shot once by the swat team.

[oceanblueeyes]

I read this morning on CNN that TP had shot himself 3 times with his revolver / twice under the chin & once thru the right temple. He was shot once by the swat team.

Yes, I think the sniper was only trying to wound him so they could take him down by shooting him in the bicep.

I noticed that the DA said when he talked with TP no negotiation was made for him to give himself up. Imo he planned all along to kill himself. It was a final and easy way out.

imoo

[Warof2010]

I read this morning on CNN that TP had shot himself 3 times with his revolver / twice under the chin & once thru the right temple. He was shot once by the swat team.Amazing - I hadn't ever heard of someone shooting themselves three times in the head - they consider two self-inflicted shots to the head a very rare occurence. Three times - simply amazing.

[cheko1]

Amazing - I hadn't ever heard of someone shooting themselves three times in the head - they consider two self-inflicted shots to the head a very rare occurence. Three times - simply amazing.


I was shocked when I read that! How he was able to do that is beyond me?

[Warof2010]

I was shocked when I read that! How he was able to do that is beyond me?One of life's great mysteries.....that last deadly shot saved the county millions in court costs, and freed many people from having to spend 100's of hours in court, rehashing a very painful incident.

[Shamrock]

They don't have the DP in WI, but they are talking about it. WI has a high number of mass murders. In the past few years this is the 3rd one. The first was the hunters that were murdered. Second one was the Chruch shooting at the Sheridan in Milwaukee and this one. Everyone there seems to own a gun!
The police in WI have a very high rate of brutality and shootings (some fatal). Kenosha and Milwaukee are really bad when it comes to this.

It's because all of us in WI are mean, evil, gun-toting crazies!!! <insert evil laughter here>

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[Mysticchic]

Here are the 911 calls these are really chilling..they didn't post the one with the father who found the kids..sorry if these had been posted before.

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/10467632.html

[Mysticchic]

Here are 3 more 911 calls from the family that had Paterson in thier house. It's so amazing how cool they all are

http://www.wisn.com/news/14353368/detail.html?treets=mil&tid=2652603960813&tml=mil_4pm&tmi=mil_4pm_1_04000310162007&ts=H

[CaliKid]

Those calls are truly horrendous. Listening to them gives a better sense of horror at what was happening in that house and to the whole community. My prayers go out to the loved ones of the victims and Tyler Peterson's family.

[philamena]

Who are the Kegley's and why did the murderer go to their home after the shootings?

[CaliKid]

It sounds as if they both knew Patterson and were connected with law enforcement.

[mssheila]

It sounds as if they both knew Patterson and were connected with law enforcement.

I agree with you. They definetely knew Peterson, because he voluntarily went there after shooting all those people. They were reported as saying he was calm while there, and was very very sorry for what he had done. But in listening to the 911 calls from Mary and Mike Kegley, they did speak as if they were connected with LE somehow. One example that stuck out to me is that both Mary and Mike each called the police cars "Squads". Mary asked the Cheif... "Please just send one squad up here". I wonder what they do?

[Mysticchic]

The final victim has now been released from the hospital. I think today you see so much of the police thing on TV that people use those terms. It's a very small town and everyone knows each other.

[mssheila]

The final victim has now been released from the hospital. I think today you see so much of the police thing on TV that people use those terms. It's a very small town and everyone knows each other.

You are probably right. Do you know how this family knew Peterson?

[Mysticchic]

They were friends with him. I think the son was the friend and he felt comfortable to go there after what he did. He was looking for forgiveness and to confess his sins to someone. From the 911 tape the mom says they took his rifle away from him but she felt he still had a hand gun. But the 3 calls no one sounded scared.

[mssheila]

They were friends with him. I think the son was the friend and he felt comfortable to go there after what he did. He was looking for forgiveness and to confess his sins to someone. From the 911 tape the mom says they took his rifle away from him but she felt he still had a hand gun. But the 3 calls no one sounded scared.

Yes, I listened to the calls. They really did sound remarkably calm. Mary and Mike did say that they took the rifle away, but he still had the handgun in his waistband.

[chicoliving]

The lone survivor of a mass slaying in Crandon, Wis., last month is speaking publicly for the first time about the horrific event.

Charlie Neitzel told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel that the gunman, Tyler Peterson, was a "crazy psycho" and a "cold blooded murderer."

Neitzel survived his three gunshots by playing dead, he said. Neitzel was the last person Peterson shot during his Oct. 7 rampage.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310605,00.html

[SuziQ]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandon8-2008jun08,0,4703845.story?page=1

The house where a tragic memory lives

Families of six rampage victims are thwarted in trying to burn down the crime site.

(more at link)

[SuziQ]

I haven't listened to the calls. I don't know if I will.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-crandonaudio8-2008jun08,0,4517639.story

What happened in Crandon on Oct. 7

A voice mail from Tyler Peterson to his ex-girlfriend, as well as 911 calls from friends whose cabin he went to after his rampage, are among the pieces in a portrait of tragedy. (more at link)

Listen to a cellphone message from Tyler Peterson to Jordanne Murray (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-8-jordanne-mp3%2C0%2C2944901.mp3file).

Listen to one of the first 911 calls to report the shooting (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-1-donnell-mp3%2C0%2C5357057.mp3file), from Donnell Dachelet at 2:49 a.m.

Listen to a 911 call at 5:22 a.m. from Eldred Pagel (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-2-eldred-mp3%2C0%2C5667445.mp3file), looking for a son who was dating a victim.

Listen to a 911 call from Tyler’s friend Mike Kegley at 9:15 a.m. (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-3-mike-mp3%2C0%2C7575981.mp3file), saying Tyler is at the Kegleys' home in the woods outside Crandon.

Listen to a 9:30 a.m. 911 call from Tyler’s friend Mary Kegley (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-4-mary-mp3%2C0%2C5867464.mp3file) to Crandon Police Chief John Dennee.

Listen to a 911 call from Mike Kegley at 9:34 a.m. (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-5-mike-mp3%2C0%2C886710.mp3file), telling Chief Dennee more about Tyler's demeanor.

Listen to a 911 call at 12:45 p.m. from Special Agent Jody Wormet (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-6-jody-mp3%2C0%2C6522823.mp3file), requesting medical assistance for Tyler.

Listen to a 911 call at 12:46 p.m. from Wormet (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-7-jody-mp3%2C0%2C7178184.mp3file), canceling the request after Tyler's death.

[chicoliving]

The home where six young people died when a jealous off-duty sheriff's deputy went on a shooting rampage eight months ago has been likened to an infection in this small northern Wisconsin city.

The cure came early Saturday morning, when workers demolished the house.
"The house has got to go," said Bill Farr, pastor of Praise Chapel Community Church and chairman of the committee that bought the property near downtown to convert it to a memorial.

"It has no symbol of hope," he said. "It has no symbol of peace. It is only a symbol of tragedy."

http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=6219690

[kline]

This was such a tragedy its a wonder things like this dont happen more often.
the town I live in is only slightly larger then Camden.
Both the city police and county sherriffs office are prone to hiring 20 to 22 year old kids who's main qualifications seem to be they are buddies of the existing officers and who go on ride alongs until they can ingratiate themselves into a position ussually starting at the jail then a few months later they are turned loose on the street with a car full of weapons.
Three of the officers they have now failed the probationary period at the correctional facilty where I worked ( I had two of them as trainees) after proving themselves unsuitable for the job.
All of them are now full time armed law enforcement officers with the city or the county.
In eight years one of them is still the only trainee I ever had to raise my voice to to stop them from doing something stupid.(Harassing and teasing inmates over an intercom).
One of the others Was prone to vertigo and sweaty panic attacks being locked on a housing unit alone with inmates.
Its kind of scary really.Small town politics.