Indiana Sisters Dies Days Apart #5

[Indy Gal]

Not a mod but continue on....LOL

[Indy Gal]

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I was near you guys today and relized on the way home. I was at Haspin Acres, Do you know this place? Had fun although I flipped over the handlebars of my ATV....LOL I am okay although I am black and blue in some places

[Indiana at Heart]

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I was near you guys today and relized on the way home. I was at Haspin Acres, Do you know this place? Had fun although I flipped over the handlebars of my ATV....LOL I am okay although I am black and blue in some places



You poor thing!! You will be sore in the morning.:doh:

[Indiana at Heart]

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maybe i can clear some stuff up.. when kelly told me about the police questioning the family and james she also told me that james and her parents had told her that her mom was asleep on the couch and woke up around 3-3:30 and heard james up in the bathroom and then heard him a little while later but thought nothing of it ...nothing out of the ordinary...then james woke up around 4:45 i think it was..in bed with erin..and found her that way.

yes the thread is getting too long.



Carried this over!! Why is mom sleeping on the couch and not in the bed with Dale. This is getting crazier!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

Now...Indy...when we start a new thread...what do we do? LOL

Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54189)

[SeriouslySearching]

So the mother wasn't in bed and was awake when James was in the bathroom. Interesting. This gives all three of them an opportunity, if you ask me. She can't verify the father didn't get up before then. He can't verify her whereabouts until she came to bed. James was up earlier than previously stated and was out of the room for a time...allowing opportunity for either of the other two to go in unnoticed.

[Wrinkles]

Here are the previous threads:

Number 1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184)

Number 2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53752)

Number 3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54099)

Number 4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54189)

Stanley house plans thanks to "yourfriendbuddy" (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698866&postcount=260)

James offender data:
On the web (http://www.in.gov/apps/indcorrection/ofs/?lname=mcfarland&fname=james&search1.x=33&search1.y=15)
A question on the offender data (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1722918&postcount=674)

Comments "maybe" from the grandmother of James' first child?
First set (reference user "nanarondu") (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&start=105)
>>
Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:14 pm Post subject:
well people ive lived with this kid and i can tell you from personal experience...im not here to bash him,but he's a moocher ,a thief and a habitual liar.he's stole from me and everyone he's ever lived with.thats why its so hard for him to find anyone to live with,unless you dont know him ,then your fair game.if anyone out there is feeling sorry for him,BEWARE,LOCK UP YOUR PRIZED POSSESIONS!As for im4kids if he didnt do it,now the killer knows he has another child that may be put in danger,dumas. As for his ex girlfriend,she wants nothing to do with him or this whole nightmare,she got rid of him has moved on and is trying to establish a life for the chld as well as herself. im sorry theres another child involved in this but thats what happens when babys have babys.
<<

Second set (reference user "nanarondu") (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=10961&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120&sid=b61509b2015858deb3ba2a78bded7f90)
>>PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:55 am Post subject:
you sure do have a right to state your opinion! iam not saying he did it or if they did it because i dont know the Stanleys but i do know him and i want everybody to know what kind of trouble he is. this is a good example of it he had our house in temiol the whole time he lived here.my daughter got rid of him two years ago and look here he is agian putting her in harms way. will we ever be rid of him. it is scarey to think that he could do this or that he could have made somone so mad that they did it. i just want justice for the girls and the baby! iwant him out of our lives foever! who knows what he could be doing to make somone that mad.<<

Obituary James' mom and some other possible info (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1720986&postcount=461)

Fiber in Erin's throat? Hearsay? (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1722941&postcount=675)

James speaks:
* Boyfriend: 'Nothing to hide' -- Father of Erin Stanley's child says he's cooperating with authorities (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710020302)
* Boyfriend of dead sister talks (http://www.newslinkindiana.com/index.php?src=news&refno=1050&category=Headlines)

[Indy Gal]

:razz: :razz: Now...Indy...when we start a new thread...what do we do? LOL

Indiana Teen Sisters Die Days Apart #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54189)

[Wrinkles]

Also continuing a discussion from the last thread...

Per Bumblebug and an alibi for James...

Bumblebug was quoted as writing:
>>(1) It is my understanding ...not a hunch or idea... that the boyfriend has a verifiable alibi for Kelly's death. In fact, I have seen this posted somewhere on one of the forums.<<

Bumblebug has not stated their source of information. They have an "understanding" from whom, how did they get this understanding? I have yet to see any responsible news media source indicate that James had a verifiable alibi as pertains to Kelly's death. Has anyone seen anything like this to which they could refer me?

To state that something is no hunch or idea is to try to indicate a "special knowledge" of something, but there is no resource for this special knowledge. That someone says they saw something posted on a forum, unfortunately, means very little and a "forum statement" is certainly not a reliable resource.

It would be EXTREMELY helpful if we could learn that James had a totally verifiable AND reliable alibi from approx. 7PM on Sept. 6th, 2007 to approx. 8AM on Sept. 7th, 2007. The window for the alibi need could possibly be shortened based on expert pathology (approx. time of death.)

It is always "interesting" to hear that something valuable might be entered into this picture, but an "understanding" with no indication or confirmation of the truth of that understanding is tough... It can work for conjecture only, but we can conjecture anything and not have a resource, right?

Bumblebug, if you are reading... It would be very helpful if you would tell us the source of your "not hunch" and "not idea" but your understanding. IF James has a credible and verifiable alibi, we would sure like to know what it is. That could really be helpful.

W

[Wrinkles]

Hello Indy, Indy, IndyGal,

You wrote:
>>He is living with his Grandfather. I would assume in a house or apartment. Why would he be staying in an outhouse type building? I have heard MANY times he is living there and have no reason to doubt this.<<

I haven't read ONE PLACE, nor have I heard ONE SOURCE state that James is living with his grandfather. PLEASE point me to your source/s so that I can get my sorry self corrected.

W

[Indiana at Heart]

So the mother wasn't in bed and was awake when James was in the bathroom. Interesting. This gives all three of them an opportunity, if you ask me. She can't verify the father didn't get up before then. He can't verify her whereabouts until she came to bed. James was up earlier than previously stated and was out of the room for a time...allowing opportunity for either of the other two to go in unnoticed.



SS, I don't know about you but this case is crazier then it was before. Ok I said before JAMES did it, one out of the 3 of them did it. Mom on couch, James unknown where and Dale in his and his wife room. Dale was in his room right???

This case is driving me crazy:confused:

[CvilleMom]

Hello Indy, Indy, IndyGal,

You wrote:
>>He is living with his Grandfather. I would assume in a house or apartment. Why would he be staying in an outhouse type building? I have heard MANY times he is living there and have no reason to doubt this.<<

I haven't read ONE PLACE, nor have I heard ONE SOURCE state that James is living with his grandfather. PLEASE point me to your source/s so that I can get my sorry self corrected.

W

I think that question probably came from this that was described in the article "Nothing to hide"
"He wore baggy blue jeans, a long-sleeved pullover T-shirt and tennis shoes as he sat in a metal shed next to a family member's home on Church Street in Cambridge City."

Palladium-Item - www.pal-item.com - Richmond, Indiana (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710020302)

[Cicada]

And that leaves a 1 hr and 15 min time span before she was found "gurgling".

[Indy Gal]

Hello Indy, Indy, IndyGal,

You wrote:
>>He is living with his Grandfather. I would assume in a house or apartment. Why would he be staying in an outhouse type building? I have heard MANY times he is living there and have no reason to doubt this.<<

I haven't read ONE PLACE, nor have I heard ONE SOURCE state that James is living with his grandfather. PLEASE point me to your source/s so that I can get my sorry self corrected.

W
I heard on my local news. Channel 13 i think. Looking to see if it is on their website.

[Indy Gal]

Also I remember something being said the night the guy spoke for him On Nancy Grace. Can someone look for transcipts? I looked and didnt see it.TIA

[Indy Gal]

I just found this and read it as the parents were sleeping together.

During the eight-minute call, Mrs. Stanley told the dispatcher she and her husband were sleeping. Erin's boyfriend woke them up.

http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7086171

[aloc63]

I just talked with someone who I believe is telling the truth.

The heated argument between Dale and James was over Dale telling James he needed to start taking responsibility for his Erin and Alexis. I.E. getting a job.

The Stanley's only asked James to stay with them after he had nowhere else to stay. I was told no family member he asked would let him stay with them.

James was sleeping in the bedroom with Erin when she died.

James left the house shortly after the police arrived. They couldn't find him for a few days. I don't know if he was first questioned before Kelly's death or after. This contradicts what he stated to the newspaper about staying behind with the baby.

The family and close friends know a lot more but are keeping it quiet so as not to jeopardize the investigation.

I hope some that are close to the family can verify some of this information.

[Cicada]

Why would Erin share a bed with him? Did she not want him to leave?

[SeriouslySearching]

Authorities later determined that Erin Stanley had been strangled inside her home. I don't remember seeing this before. Strangled as opposed to suffocated. I wonder who their source was for this info.

During the eight-minute call, Mrs. Stanley told the dispatcher she and her husband were sleeping. Erin's boyfriend woke them up.
"We've been asleep since midnight," said Lonny Stanley.
"Did you wake up and find her this way?" the dispatcher asked.
"Her boyfriend did," said Stanley. It doesn't say they were sleeping together...just sleeping.


http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7086171

[SuziQ]

Sheesh, more information is supposed to answer questions, not create more of them! Why would the mom be sleeping on the couch? It would make more sense that James would be. And maybe it was. We all are guilty of being told something and remembering it differently.

[SeriouslySearching]

Maybe she fell asleep watching a movie.

[Indiana at Heart]

we need some more FACTS on this case

[Indy Gal]

Authorities later determined that Erin Stanley had been strangled inside her home. I don't remember seeing this before. Strangled as opposed to suffocated. I wonder who their source was for this info.

During the eight-minute call, Mrs. Stanley told the dispatcher she and her husband were sleeping. Erin's boyfriend woke them up.
"We've been asleep since midnight," said Lonny Stanley.
"Did you wake up and find her this way?" the dispatcher asked.
"Her boyfriend did," said Stanley. It doesn't say they were sleeping together...just sleeping.


http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7086171
I just said I read it as saying they were, not for fact they were. All this is getting so confusing now. I mean with all these locals here all saying pretty much the same thing, it is making me lean off the fence. I mean unless you all are just one big group...LOL Then I doubt you all would be telling the same. I dont know me so confused. The thing that gets me is like SS said. i cant see him doing it twice. I could see if it was just Erin, but to come back 6 days later when you know everyone is looking at you. Maybe I need sleep...LOl

OT Packers have already scored.....nevermind sleep, go BRETT!!

[Indy Gal]

I couldnt find anything. So I guess we scratch that one for now too....LOL We are really back to square one here. My only hope is knowing thats Det. voice that he was sure they knew who it was. Again NO he didnt outright say this but made it clear. If that makes sense.

[Wrinkles]

Hello Dancer_Girl,

I need your help... You wrote: (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1723379&postcount=718)

>>maybe i can clear some stuff up.. when kelly told me about the police questioning the family and james she also told me that james and her parents had told her that her mom was asleep on the couch and woke up around 3-3:30 and heard james up in the bathroom and then heard him a little while later but thought nothing of it ...nothing out of the ordinary...then james woke up around 4:45 i think it was..in bed with erin..and found her that way.<<

Okay...this is where I need the help. You wrote:
>>and heard james up in the bathroom<<

Is this a frame of speaking, or have I read your phrasing wrong? There was no upper story (right?), so no "up in the bathroom." But perhaps you meant that Kelly's mom had heard James up, i.e. awake, and in the bathroom of the home. The mom also heard him a little while later, but didn't think much of it... Do I have this correct?

Also...can you clarify, did both James and the parents agree when talking to the police? i.e. they all said that Erin's mom was asleep on the couch, that James was in the bathroom between 3-3:30AM, that James was up a little while later, and that James woke up about 4:45AM? Were you indicating that elly noted all of these people in agreement? Or can you clarify?

This so-called waking of James at 4:45AM (did he have a watch?, was there a clock in the room?), particularly if he "sounded an alarm" to the parents seems to pose a problem if 911 was not called until 5:15AM (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14131793/detail.html).

Also, you wrote:
>>i think it was..in bed with erin..and found her that way<<

Are you absolutely positive that Kelly reported, from the information of her mom, dad and James, that James was sleeping with Erin that night? I realize that all of this probably wasn't something you wrote down, because you never suspected that your friend might die and this would be important. I'm just wondering how clear you are in your memory of what Kelly told you. Of course, this would be 2nd hand information. i.e. we know that Kelly was staying the night elsewhere, on the night before the morn that Erin was found dying.

Dancer, are you aware of ANYONE that heard Kelly say the same thing to you as she did to them? i.e. Erin and James were sleeping together that night. Again, if Kelly said that, it would have had to be based on information given to her by her mom, dad and/or James.

W

[CvilleMom]

Authorities later determined that Erin Stanley had been strangled inside her home. I don't remember seeing this before. Strangled as opposed to suffocated. I wonder who their source was for this info.

During the eight-minute call, Mrs. Stanley told the dispatcher she and her husband were sleeping. Erin's boyfriend woke them up.
"We've been asleep since midnight," said Lonny Stanley.
"Did you wake up and find her this way?" the dispatcher asked.
"Her boyfriend did," said Stanley. It doesn't say they were sleeping together...just sleeping.


http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7086171


"A pathologist ruled Erin's death a homicide, but hasn't said why publicly. Local reporters have quoted one trooper who responded to Kelly's death as suggesting that Erin was strangled.
Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman said Friday the trooper's statement "is accurate" but did not elaborate"

Centerville mystified by deaths of 2 sisters | IndyStar.com (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070924/LOCAL/709240377/-1/LOCAL17)

That is where the "Strangulation" came from.

[notfaraway]

Hear say,, I can not prove nor verify!
The Stanleys took the baby next door to a neighbor and took her back when they got home from hospital. I do not know if this was during the commotion, after the responder got there, or before they left to go to the hospital. as I said "I can not prove this". But if James left and the police could not find him right away then he did not stay and take care of the baby cause she was at a neighbor.

[miss_vegemite]

bumblebug



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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=63682#63682)Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: websleuthsIf anyone knows what e-mail accounts they accept perhaps I can obtain one.
If some one would please place a note saying that I will continue to post on the PI site, perhaps I can answer their questions for me from here. Thanks in advance. The people on websleuths seem to have good insights sometime but less info from the area. Regarding my last posting I can only say what I said. Those reading will have to read what I have written in the past and decide for themselves if I appear to be informed. My main concern at this time is Alexis. I just hope that the case is resolved in way that accurately reflects what actually happened in the house. I suspect there has already been a lot of suffering on all sides.

I'm not sure if this has already been posted.

[CvilleMom]

[quote=miss_vegemite;1723583]bumblebug



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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=63682#63682)Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2007 8:44 pm Post subject: websleuthsIf anyone knows what e-mail accounts they accept perhaps I can obtain one.
If some one would please place a note saying that I will continue to post on the PI site, perhaps I can answer their questions for me from here. Thanks in advance. The people on websleuths seem to have good insights sometime but less info from the area. Regarding my last posting I can only say what I said. Those reading will have to read what I have written in the past and decide for themselves if I appear to be informed. My main concern at this time is Alexis. I just hope that the case is resolved in way that accurately reflects what actually happened in the house. I suspect there has already been a lot of suffering on all sides.

Bumblebug I had the same problem, they will only accept the e~mail address in which is your internet server provider, such as verizon.net, insight.net, but will not accept a Yahoo e~mail, anything that is of free service will not be accepted. Once I corrected that, I got right in without further problems. Good Luck!!

[mahmoo]

Not to belittle any of the posts but i don't really think it matters who was sleeping where the night Erin was murdered.............we're not talking about some 15,000 sf home ya know........it's a very small place seems like. Also, i've seen posts alluding to James sleeping in a "guest room".....from the size of their house........i don't think they had a guest room. The home is quite small..........if it matters.

[mahmoo]

And i guess just to expound a little more on my previous post.............i'm questioning how no one in that house heard ANYTHING either time their daughters were murdered???

[mahmoo]

this is for bumblebug..............you seem to be very close to this situation.........i'm not even going to ask you to reveal who you are. I'm sure that it's purely speculation on your part...........but can you please share with us what you feel happened to these two young ladies......if you can do so without putting yourself in any kind of jeopardy. I continue to just shake my head at how absolutely ironic this case is.

[miss_vegemite]

And i guess just to expound a little more on my previous post.............i'm questioning how no one in that house heard ANYTHING either time their daughters were murdered???

Yes that is strange isn't it. If the rumours are true that the parents were heavy drinkers, maybe that could be a reason??

[mahmoo]

Maybe the heavy drinking could be an excuse......the first time..................but not twice.

[Indy Gal]

Where did you hear they were heavy drinkers, MV????

[miss_vegemite]

this is for bumblebug..............you seem to be very close to this situation.........i'm not even going to ask you to reveal who you are. I'm sure that it's purely speculation on your part...........but can you please share with us what you feel happened to these two young ladies......if you can do so without putting yourself in any kind of jeopardy. I continue to just shake my head at how absolutely ironic this case is.

That's a really good question mahmoo. It would be interesting to hear bumblebug's thoughts on what she/he thinks may have occurred.

[miss_vegemite]

Where did you hear they were heavy drinkers, MV????

MV??? lol, what does that stand for?

Geez, we read so much don't we, and then when we repeat what we read, someone wants to know where we heard it...it's like :waitasec: I will try to hunt out where I read that...i do remember someone saying the parents had bought a bucketload of alcohol from the bottlestore etc...this was all rumours of course, insinuating that they are heavy drinkers.

I keep thinking of the word "chinese whispers" LOL..

[Cicada]

And i guess just to expound a little more on my previous post.............i'm questioning how no one in that house heard ANYTHING either time their daughters were murdered???

Especially if you had been awakened an hour and fifteen minutes earlier. Would you be in that deep of a sleep within that time frame? I wonder how long before the mother and James fell back to sleep?

[miss_vegemite]

Maybe the heavy drinking could be an excuse......the first time..................but not twice.

Who was home on the night that Kelly died? I think her father was, but for some reason I thought her mum was working.

[mahmoo]

not sure where that info came from and/or if it's reliable...........all's i know........it is unbelievably bold for someone to go back to the scene of a very new crime and commit another crime..........i mean, that is beyond ba--sy.

[miss_vegemite]

Especially if you had been awakened an hour and fifteen minutes earlier. Would you be in that deep of a sleep within that time frame? I wonder how long before the mother and James fell back to sleep?

If say it is true that the mother was sleeping on the couch and woke and heard James using the bathroom, then I wonder how she knew it was James in the bathroom, and not Erin or Dale?

[Cicada]

If say it is true that the mother was sleeping on the couch and woke and heard James using the bathroom, then I wonder how she knew it was James in the bathroom, and not Erin or Dale?

Good question. I also wonder how close the couch is to Erin's room or the bathroom.

[mahmoo]

I'm not gonna offer my two cents on who i think had a hand in these crimes right now..............i will say though...........James was definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time...........coincidence????

[mahmoo]

Did the neighbors actually video James & Erin arguing in the yard?

[mahmoo]

Just one more thing and I'll quit hogging the board....................surely, surely, surely at least ONE of these young ladies put up a valiant struggle against whoever it was that took their lives.......NO ONE heard it????? Either time???

[miss_vegemite]

Good question. I also wonder how close the couch is to Erin's room or the bathroom.

Yes, that would be helpful to know.

It's just incredibly hard to find a scenario that fits these crimes. I've run through the father doing this for the reasons that we have all quite obviously thought about. If the father did do this, while James was lying next to Erin, then he took a huge risk. And why didn't James wake up if this was the case? What was he going to do if James did wake up..I felt Erin's death was more a spur of the moment incident, but who knows. I'm looking forward to hearing bumblebugs thoughts.

[miss_vegemite]

Did the neighbors actually video James & Erin arguing in the yard?

That rings a bell, that someone had a voice recording of them arguing?? That was way back in the beginning, probably somewhere in the first thread.

[mahmoo]

Just don't forget.......no matter where any one was sleeping.........it appears that the house is quite small......maybe 1500-1660 sf........just guessing.

[mahmoo]

That rings a bell, that someone had a voice recording of them arguing?? That was way back in the beginning, probably somewhere in the first thread.

It was early on in the threads......i do remember that it was mentioned though.........i thought a neighbor actually reported it and/or had videoed it.

[miss_vegemite]

Just one more thing and I'll quit hogging the board....................surely, surely, surely at least ONE of these young ladies put up a valiant struggle against whoever it was that took their lives.......NO ONE heard it????? Either time???

That's a very good point, and I also wonder the same. They weren't frail tiny girls, so you would think they may be a bit of strength in them to fight back somehow.. I can't imagine how Kelly could have not been woken up, as I would think she would be sleeping nervously anyway..

[mahmoo]

It's just incredibly hard to find a scenario that fits these crimes.

I'm looking forward to hearing bumblebugs thoughts.

I'm with you..........on both statements!!

[mahmoo]

I'm assuming both of them were attacked while they were sleeping and i'm sure that would catch anyone off guard so to speak but still.........i would think human instinct would kick in and they would put up a major fuss...........that's what's so baffling about this...........makes me wonder if they weren't possibly drugged in some way before hand.......like something on a rag put over their noses???

[Busylady]

I don't know if this is a 3 bedroom or 2 bedroom home, but because kelly didnt stay there the night Erin was killed could Erin of been sleeping in Kelly's room, James in Erins room and mom on the couch to make sure James didnt sneak off to be with Erin? If you look at Erins myspace page nothing in it signals to me she didnt want to be with James, last log in was day before she passed away and it still has something to the effect of I love James.

[gooniequeen]

Any locals - who have been in the Stanley home? Can you describe it? Walk us through it - describe what's where. Was it a neat home? Messy?

Also did Erin & Kelly share a room and the 3rd bedroom was a guest room or did they each have their own room. Is their a basement or is it built on a slab? If it has a basement what'sthe basement used for? Storage or is it finished?

As for mom sleeping on the couch - this is NEW AND INTERESTING information.

I hope bumblebug gets in here soon.

[gooniequeen]

I don't know if this is a 3 bedroom or 2 bedroom home, but because kelly didnt stay there the night Erin was killed could Erin of been sleeping in Kelly's room, James in Erins room and mom on the couch to make sure James didnt sneak off to be with Erin? If you look at Erins myspace page nothing in it signals to me she didnt want to be with James, last log in was day before she passed away and it still has something to the effect of I love James.

good point. But she could have also been busy with "Stuff" and not had an opportunity to modify it.

[mahmoo]

I'm not totally ruling out the possibility that Kelly was the initial target. And, if that is the case.............who is the person that was brave enough to go back twice?????? Holy Cow...........gotta be someone scary is all I can say.

[miss_vegemite]

I see there being two possible suspects at this stage...being Dale and James. That is if the mother was at work the night Kelly died, which I'm not 100% sure of. If she wasn't at work, then we can add her.

I also wonder what information it was that Kelly could have had, the she was killed for?

[miss_vegemite]

I'm assuming both of them were attacked while they were sleeping and i'm sure that would catch anyone off guard so to speak but still.........i would think human instinct would kick in and they would put up a major fuss...........that's what's so baffling about this...........makes me wonder if they weren't possibly drugged in some way before hand.......like something on a rag put over their noses???

Very good point re: drugging them first.

[miss_vegemite]

I'm not totally ruling out the possibility that Kelly was the initial target. And, if that is the case.............who is the person that was brave enough to go back twice?????? Holy Cow...........gotta be someone scary is all I can say.

And that's also what is very strange. I mean, wouldn't you think that LE would be advising people to lock up at night, due to the brazen nature of the killer?

I keep wondering if there could be two separate killers here. Hypothetically, say James killed Erin. Then maybe because Kelly was shooting her mouth off, one of James' friends is pissed off at her accusing James and decides to shut her up?

[gooniequeen]

And that's also what is very strange. I mean, wouldn't you think that LE would be advising people to lock up at night, due to the brazen nature of the killer?

I keep wondering if there could be two separate killers here. Hypothetically, say James killed Erin. Then maybe because Kelly was shooting her mouth off, one of James' friends is pissed off at her accusing James and decides to shut her up?

this was my theory as well.

[FormerRichmondRes]

In the last thread (#4, I believe) - someone was looking at James' record and asked what FD stands for . . .

I think it means - Felony D . . . I could be wrong, but that's my guess.

I've been busy with work and homework and I come back to like 12 pages! This is nuts!

[CvilleMom]

And that's also what is very strange. I mean, wouldn't you think that LE would be advising people to lock up at night, due to the brazen nature of the killer?

I keep wondering if there could be two separate killers here. Hypothetically, say James killed Erin. Then maybe because Kelly was shooting her mouth off, one of James' friends is pissed off at her accusing James and decides to shut her up?

There were NEVER any warnings to locals to be cautious even after Kelly was found. And there was not even any knowledge of Erin's death prior to Kelly's, outside of a very small obituary. It wasn't until after Kelly was found dead that the majority of us locals even had knowledge of these deaths. And still to this day they are saying we are safe. I have never locked my doors since I have lived in this town, including now.

[miss_vegemite]

There were NEVER any warnings to locals to be cautious even after Kelly was found. And there was not even any knowledge of Erin's death prior to Kelly's, outside of a very small obituary. It wasn't until after Kelly was found dead that the majority of us locals even had knowledge of these deaths. And still to this day they are saying we are safe. I have never locked my doors since I have lived in this town, including now.

That is scary...I just wonder how they can be so sure that there is not someone out there who enjoyed doing this and will do it again? It makes you think that LE must have some sort of evidence that both Erin and Kelly were the only targets..no more to come! But if i was you, I would be locking my doors lol...I'm a scardy cat.

[CvilleMom]

That is scary...I just wonder how they can be so sure that there is not someone out there who enjoyed doing this and will do it again? It makes you think that LE must have some sort of evidence that both Erin and Kelly were the only targets..no more to come! But if i was you, I would be locking my doors lol...I'm a scardy cat.


LOL...I do have 3 dogs that would scare the snot out of anyone who tried to enter this house. But, LE have stated that the town IS safe, so that certainly leads me to believe that they have a pretty good idea of who did this and also that it is an isolated case.

[miss_vegemite]

LOL...I do have 3 dogs that would scare the snot out of anyone who tried to enter this house. But, LE have stated that the town IS safe, so that certainly leads me to believe that they have a pretty good idea of who did this and also that it is an isolated case.

Yeah, it sure seems to point in that direction...

[SeriouslySearching]

I'm assuming both of them were attacked while they were sleeping and i'm sure that would catch anyone off guard so to speak but still.........i would think human instinct would kick in and they would put up a major fuss...........that's what's so baffling about this...........makes me wonder if they weren't possibly drugged in some way before hand.......like something on a rag put over their noses???
It would have shown up in the tox screens or other tests they did during autopsies. There were no known drugs or substances found in Kelly for certain and I believe they said the same about Erin, but I haven't found that article yet.
An updated news article arrived on the 20th Sept., but seems to bring only more confusion now. (http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=75457)

I also wondered how the mother would have known it was James in the bathroom instead of someone else.

[Taximom]

Hear say,, I can not prove nor verify!
The Stanleys took the baby next door to a neighbor and took her back when they got home from hospital. I do not know if this was during the commotion, after the responder got there, or before they left to go to the hospital. as I said "I can not prove this". But if James left and the police could not find him right away then he did not stay and take care of the baby cause she was at a neighbor.

I know it's hearsay. IF it's true, then why did he run?

When did LE get to talk to him next, IN PERSON, so they could see if he had any scratchmarks or whatever else Erin might have done to him in a struggle? (Even if he didn't run, when did LE see him to check this out?)

Hearsay. Argh! I want to know more!!!

INDY, I'm glad you are ok. My nephew had a bad accident in an ATV and it affected him badly. :( Be careful, my friend.

Anyone in chat right now?

[gooniequeen]

Can somoene explain to me why they can't arrest the person they think it is and charge them?

I don't watch enough Law & Order and I'm a newbie to WS but I'm not sure what the liability would be if they did. I mean people have been arrested and convicted with little to no evidence.

My guess is they have NO evidence. If James did it it would easily explain his DNA, finger prints etc. same with the parents. I mean how does one gather evidence in a situation like that?

[Taximom]

Not to belittle any of the posts but i don't really think it matters who was sleeping where the night Erin was murdered.............we're not talking about some 15,000 sf home ya know........it's a very small place seems like. Also, i've seen posts alluding to James sleeping in a "guest room".....from the size of their house........i don't think they had a guest room. The home is quite small..........if it matters.

Someone had the layout of the home and info back on thread #2 I think.....

[Taximom]

not sure where that info came from and/or if it's reliable...........all's i know........it is unbelievably bold for someone to go back to the scene of a very new crime and commit another crime..........i mean, that is beyond ba--sy.

It IS ba--sy, but I think the person that killed Erin thought "they think she had a heart attack and now that Kelly is helping them I can do the same to her and nobody will know."

I know some say that you'd have to have a high intelligence to commit these 2 crimes, but I think it's the other way around. Someone was stupid enough to think they could get away with two murders.

IMO, of course.

[Taximom]

It would have shown up in the tox screens or other tests they did during autopsies. There were no known drugs or substances found in either girl.

I also wondered how the mother would have known it was James in the bathroom instead of someone else.

I didn't know all drugs had been ruled out in both cases. I thought they were still waiting for some results. :waitasec:

It's getting to where I need to start writing things down. Maybe we should start our own thread of FACTS known.....so we can refer back to it in 3 weeks when someone says aliens landed in Cville both nights and everyone saw them! :D Heck, we might already have that thread...or is that the Stiles case? :doh:

[Taximom]

I want to know if the window that was boarded up was in a hallway, or was actually right in Kelly's room. If it was in K's room, surely she would have heard someone prying at her window, if that's what happened. So there's another mystery we need answered. Was the window damaged before or not? Who's window is it? I can't wait for more locals to join.

As far as Mom sleeping on the couch, I've done that if hubby is having a bad snoring night. Oh man, those are bad. Or like SS said, she could have just fallen asleep watching TV. Or maybe she disagreed with Dale about how he was treating James and they hadn't made up yet. **shrugs**

BUMBLEBUG we need you! I thought you had a nick and pw, but couldn't post. Did you see my comment earlier today about checking the "remember me" box on the WS login page?

[imnotheonlyone]

Hi there, could I please a copy of the email from the news reporter from someone?

Thank you so much!

[SeriouslySearching]

Can somoene explain to me why they can't arrest the person they think it is and charge them?

I don't watch enough Law & Order and I'm a newbie to WS but I'm not sure what the liability would be if they did. I mean people have been arrested and convicted with little to no evidence.

My guess is they have NO evidence. If James did it it would easily explain his DNA, finger prints etc. same with the parents. I mean how does one gather evidence in a situation like that?Before they arrest and charge a person with high profile and capital crimes such as 2 murders...they will make certain they have enough evidence to take to court and prove their case. They are limited in time after the arrest because of the right to a speedy trial unless it is waived by the defendant. (The reason they don't even call a person a "suspect" anymore is due to the fact that person can then invoke their rights.) Before an arrest is made, they can take as much time as needed to build their case.

I would assume the evidence they looked for was standard. Blood, hair, fibers, bodily fluids (DNA), weapon (anything that could be used to strangle or smother them with), fingerprints, etc. The other evidence such as what was on the computer, notes, journals, and other possible clues would go toward motive. (I still don't see what could be in the car they were interested in tho.)

I think one of the most telling pieces of evidence they surely have will be found in the scrapings from underneath Kelly's fingernails. When someone is being strangled or smothered...you would think anyone would claw or try to gouge the person to get away.

[CvilleCit]

Holy cow! I can't read this fast enough. I've been reading for hours, and you guys are moving soooo fast!!!! Jeez! When I check to see what all of you have said I will relay some information I got over the weekend. Some details about James.... and his personality type and stuff.... I'll be caught up in a while....

[mysteriew]

It IS ba--sy, but I think the person that killed Erin thought "they think she had a heart attack and now that Kelly is helping them I can do the same to her and nobody will know."

I know some say that you'd have to have a high intelligence to commit these 2 crimes, but I think it's the other way around. Someone was stupid enough to think they could get away with two murders.

IMO, of course.

I agree.

On the question of how it could be done without the girls struggling I can see it happening.
If the girls were asleep on a bed and the 'killer' laid on top of them, their body weight would limit the girls movements and the bed would muffle any sounds. A hand or pillow over the face and mouth would muffle any attempts to scream.
On the question of why Erin would be sleeping with James if she planned to break with him, the question is was she really intending to break it off with him? If so, why was her Dad demanding that he grow up and take care of both Erin and Alexis? And many women, esp. young girls would feel it best to continue to sleep with him until they had at least told the guy it was over.

Here is my theory (totally speculation) on Erin. Dad and James have the argument the night before. It quiets down, but James is still angry. That night they go to bed and James wants sex. For whatever reason she says no (parents house and they are home, she is also angry etc.) James already angry at her Dad, then snaps. He can't yell at her because then her parents would get involved, so he puts his hands on her.

On Kelly, I really believe that James thought that eventually LE was going to get him on Erin. He didn't like Kelly, she was talking about him to cops and to others and he thought Erin may have told her something or that Kelly knew something incriminating. So he might as well.

The fact that the two girls died in similiar ways is pretty telling. What works for us once, if we do it a second time we tend to try to do it the same.

If the story about James not being at the home while the others went to the hospital is true (and it makes more sense that the baby went to the neighbors so family could go to the hospital), then James' statement to the press shows signs of manufactured story.

[CvilleMom]

Can somoene explain to me why they can't arrest the person they think it is and charge them?

I don't watch enough Law & Order and I'm a newbie to WS but I'm not sure what the liability would be if they did. I mean people have been arrested and convicted with little to no evidence.

My guess is they have NO evidence. If James did it it would easily explain his DNA, finger prints etc. same with the parents. I mean how does one gather evidence in a situation like that?



"They also are waiting on results of an autopsy done about a week later on Kelly Stanley.
No legal action will come, Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman said Friday, until those results are available. "I'm in a holding pattern until I can get those reports back," Shipman said. "I am not going to take any official action until I have those reports."

Palladium-Item - www.pal-item.com - Richmond, Indiana (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710060302)

I feel like they have plenty of evidence, they are just waiting to finalize it all, to add stability to their case.

[SieSie]

If say it is true that the mother was sleeping on the couch and woke and heard James using the bathroom, then I wonder how she knew it was James in the bathroom, and not Erin or Dale?
I'm not sure if it's important or not, but I wondered the exact same thing when I heard that story. :waitasec:


Just one more thing and I'll quit hogging the board....................surely, surely, surely at least ONE of these young ladies put up a valiant struggle against whoever it was that took their lives.......NO ONE heard it????? Either time???
I'm not as informed about this case - have they released any toxicology reports to show if the girls had been drugged? It is very odd that there wouldn't have been commotion/struggling and therefore noises that would wake the others that were in the house.


I'm not totally ruling out the possibility that Kelly was the initial target. And, if that is the case.............who is the person that was brave enough to go back twice?????? Holy Cow...........gotta be someone scary is all I can say.
This is the only scenario that seems plausible to me - Kelly was the initial target and the perp got the wrong girl the first time. Very ballsy to go back and kill again, no matter who it was. I hope they arrest the perpetrator quickly.


It would have shown up in the tox screens or other tests they did during autopsies. There were no known drugs or substances found in either girl.

I also wondered how the mother would have known it was James in the bathroom instead of someone else.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up - so the results did come back and the tests for drugs came up empty. Hmmm. Really makes you think there would've been a struggle then, in both girls deaths. This is so bizarre.


I didn't know all drugs had been ruled out in both cases. I thought they were still waiting for some results. :waitasec:

It's getting to where I need to start writing things down. Maybe we should start our own thread of FACTS known.....so we can refer back to it in 3 weeks when someone says aliens landed in Cville both nights and everyone saw them! :D Heck, we might already have that thread...or is that the Stiles case? :doh:
LOL!! I agree, it's maddening trying to follow these detailed cases, isn't it? Especially if you're involved in more than one, which most of us are. It would be nice to have a forum so we can break things down - links, photos, media, facts/rumors, etc...

So, drugs have NOT been officially ruled out yet then?? Again, things that make ya' go hmmmmm.

[SeriouslySearching]

Holy cow! I can't read this fast enough. I've been reading for hours, and you guys are moving soooo fast!!!! Jeez! When I check to see what all of you have said I will relay some information I got over the weekend. Some details about James.... and his personality type and stuff.... I'll be caught up in a while....Forget catching up! SPILL IT!!! LOL :D

We do need a forum on this case!

Shipman also said he had received a toxicology report Thursday on Kelly Stanley that showed there were "no drugs, alcohol or other substances in her system which would have caused her death." He said a pathologist will review the report and make a final ruling on how she died.
An updated news article arrived on the 20th Sept., but seems to bring only more confusion now. (http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=75457) <<from WIBC

[Bobbisangel]

I just found this and read it as the parents were sleeping together.

During the eight-minute call, Mrs. Stanley told the dispatcher she and her husband were sleeping. Erin's boyfriend woke them up.

http://wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7086171


If the parents had been watching TV in the frontroom and the mom fell asleep the husband might have just covered her with a blanket and let her sleep there figuring that if she woke up she would go on to bed. Makes sense to me anyway.

Sounds like James was up rattling around in the house at least half of the night. Wonder what was keeping a young guy like that awake. Murder on his mind??

[SeriouslySearching]

For the mother to know this...she would have had to be awake herself.

However, remember this is hearsay...and we do not know for a fact any of this is true.

[CvilleMom]

Holy cow! I can't read this fast enough. I've been reading for hours, and you guys are moving soooo fast!!!! Jeez! When I check to see what all of you have said I will relay some information I got over the weekend. Some details about James.... and his personality type and stuff.... I'll be caught up in a while....


LOL CC, are ya done yet, are ya...huh, huh?? hahaha

[SeriouslySearching]

I think we need to get someone to do a daily update on posts! LOL Once a day at a certain time...someone goes back and reads the past 24 hours and highlights the new info! Any volunteers?!

[Bobbisangel]

Maybe the heavy drinking could be an excuse......the first time..................but not twice.


Who has said that the parents are heavy drinkers?

[CvilleMom]

I think we need to get someone to do a daily update on posts! LOL Once a day at a certain time...someone goes back and reads the past 24 hours and highlights the new info! Any volunteers?!

Hmmm, I think you would do a fine job for us! ~Smiles~:dance:

[Taximom]

Perhaps the parents bedroom had an attached bathroom that Dale would have used. Hence, Lonny assuming it was James in the bathroom she heard him in.

Although now I have to wonder how she knew it was James and not Erin. :waitasec:

[SuziQ]

Who has said that the parents are heavy drinkers?

I think it came from a post at the P-I.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm, I think you would do a fine job for us! ~Smiles~:dance:I would love to, but I go back to a normal work routine tomorrow...and was asking selfishly for someone to keep track for me. LMAO :blushing:

[CvilleCit]

Lol, I was done until I had to refresh, and see what you guys had written lol....


Okay, this weekend I ran into an ole' friend. Someone that knew the girls when they were really little, and worked at the school. This person said that Lonny (their mother) was just not one to get excited. When they heard the 911 call it sounded like her. That's just the way she is.
This person also thought that I should know James, because I guess he went to my school. I really don't remember him, but can barely recall some of the events that he caused that this person mentioned. He/she said that he was kicked out of CHS for drugs or drug dealing <I only heard about that once, and I was in Jr. high when that happened. *that is possible because James is 23/24 and I'm 20*> She also said that he was always in detention, and was into a mess. I believe this person VERY much, and their personal experience with James was NOT good.

Also, I was talking to dancer earlier, and remembered that I didn't cry or anything when my grandpa died, because I felt like I had to be strong. I was really close to him... actually probably the closest out of all of the grandchildren, and just didn't cry. AT ALL, EVER! I just didn't. I miss him, and still can't believe that he's gone, but have never mourned his passing.
If you know me personally you would NEVER guess that, because I cry all the time. I acutally cry over silly stuff. Just ask my boyfriend that deals with me crying of not seeing him as much as I like, and super silly stuff. I think when it comes to others feelings mine are set aside, and I do what I have to. I get things done and do it right.


-The window was Kelly's
-According to dancer in a previous thread the window was cut out that NIGHT
-If their house is anything like mine you can see the call area from the livingroom. When our couch is set up right you can see every bedroom door and the bathroom door.
-Man Pal-Item writer I hope you get added! I would LOVE to hear what you have to say!!!! Even if you change your name. The information you have would be great to share. I think all of us here are up for something that would put James into question. We've been looking for reasons to rule James out. Please help if you can. We don't have to know it's you.

[Taximom]

I can beat others to it by saying there are lots of teens that use/deal drugs and get in trouble at school and they don't go and murder two people! lol


Anyway, SS, I nominate Indy for the daily recap job...since she's not here to say no! hee hee hee

[SeriouslySearching]

So basically what you are saying is that this person says James was a rebellious teenager. This doesn't surprise me at all. I think we pretty much surmised that he is one of those types that is a severe underachiever and probably did/does drugs.

Lonny being so calm could very well be her normal personality, but she was losing her daughter! I don't see how anyone could have been that calm about it, but I guess she was. (shrugs shoulders)

People do handle grief differently. There is no right or wrong way to grieve. Some people don't cry and others can't stop crying.

[CvilleCit]

I can beat others to it by saying there are lots of teens that use/deal drugs and get in trouble at school and they don't go and murder two people! lol


Anyway, SS, I nominate Indy for the daily recap job...since she's not here to say no! hee hee hee


Indy's in ROFL! jk

About the drug dealers in schools thing... Yeah, I get that. I went to college in South Eastern Kentucky for two years, and may return.... You hear a lot of stories about drug dealing, however, if you had the stories of his behavior in school, and consider most of what I have heard from pretty much EVERYONE that has talked about him.
We also discussed how a great girl that seems out of place in the same enviornment that James appeared to be involved with, and how the only reason we can think of is that she wanted a relationship and the attention. I can put together Erin and him.... I don't know why, but something just with the mix of upbringings. Maybe I have everything wrong.... It is VERY possible, but feel like information says a lot about his character.
Which the conversation about his attitude in school really helped me get the idea that it WAS him. My source very well may be VERY partial to the family, because she was watched the girls grow up. So, I am just adding to the rumors I suppose, but feel like it's important to understand the impression the individuals have made on those that know them.

[SeriouslySearching]

Anyway, SS, I nominate Indy for the daily recap job...since she's not here to say no! hee hee hee :D I second that motion!!! Now...when you pm her to tell her of her new job...please mention we would like her to have it up by 5:00 pm when I get off work. :cool:

[CaliKid]

I can beat others to it by saying there are lots of teens that use/deal drugs and get in trouble at school and they don't go and murder two people! lol


Anyway, SS, I nominate Indy for the daily recap job...since she's not here to say no! hee hee hee

And you two are such best buds that she's become one of your kids, LOL :angel:

[mysteriew]

Indy's in ROFL! jk

About the drug dealers in schools thing... Yeah, I get that. I went to college in South Eastern Kentucky for two years, and may return.... You hear a lot of stories about drug dealing, however, if you had the stories of his behavior in school, and consider most of what I have heard from pretty much EVERYONE that has talked about him.
We also discussed how a great girl that seems out of place in the same enviornment that James appeared to be involved with, and how the only reason we can think of is that she wanted a relationship and the attention. I can put together Erin and him.... I don't know why, but something just with the mix of upbringings. Maybe I have everything wrong.... It is VERY possible, but feel like information says a lot about his character.
Which the conversation about his attitude in school really helped me get the idea that it WAS him. My source very well may be VERY partial to the family, because she was watched the girls grow up. So, I am just adding to the rumors I suppose, but feel like it's important to understand the impression the individuals have made on those that know them.

Were the things you were told about related to temper?

[SeriouslySearching]

Speaking of tempers, what kind of temper does Dale have? Anyone know?

[CvilleCit]

I really feel that Erin had died and James freaked out when she started doing the death shuttering thing. So, he yelled for help. When Lonny (mom) walked in there Erin appeared to be breathing. There's not much she can do if she doesn't know CPR. So, she called 911 and tried to get help. For all she knew she was choking or something. I know that WE know all of the signs that death HAS happened, but if you don't know and think that she'll be fine with some help. Do you really scream and what would seem at the time over-react? I wasn't there. I have never gone through anything, but really think that the Parent's are NOT at fault. I can be wrong. None of us know anything right now.


Also,
IN THE HOME AT TIME OF DEATH

Erin--- James, Alexis, Mom, and Dad
Kelly-- Mom, Alexis, and Buster? <WS name for their dog.>

HOW IT WAS DISCOVERED
Erin---
Story 1--- James screamed and parents came into the room to find Erin hardly breathing. Mom calls 911, gives Erin a couple puffs of air, and believed Erin was still breathing, therefore, there was no reason to do CPR according to the 911 operator.
Story 2--- Alexis cried, James woke up, got the baby, turned on the light, noticed that something was wrong and yelled for parents.

Kelly---
Story 1--- Baby was crying, and the dog needed to go outside, and lonny (mom) went to get Kelly to help with the baby and the dog. When she walked in Kelly was half on and half off the bed.

Haven't heard any other story about how Kelly was found.

[CvilleCit]

James---
Yes, behavior that is related to his attitude and temper. Things he would do to get into trouble, and what he would do when approched or during the attempt to dicipline<sp> him in the office.


Dale---
Dancer may be able to shed some light on that for us. She knows the family, and can probably help in some way. I went to school with the girls, and we had some friends in common. So, she will be more helpful than myself, but I don't know. I'm sure she'll let us know if she can.

[mysteriew]

Was there anything mentioned about how he treated girlfriends, females or female students?

ETA You don't need to give specific incidents, just discriptive terms LOL.

Sweet, generous, controlling, jealous etc.

[CvilleCit]

Was there anything mentioned about how he treated girlfriends, females or female students?


Well, I think someone posted on the last TREAD<Thread> some posts made from is 4 yr old child's grandmother. They were NOT favorable post!So, in my conversation this person was VERY clear that they think he is capable of this behavior from his/her experiences with him.

I will try to find that post if you're interested.

The person in my conversation said that he could be easy with words if he had to be, but couldn't keep that persona for long. He/she said that from what they can understand... maybe he sweet talked her, and then showed his true self after he got her..... Like I said this is another persons idea of him and her (Erin). <that was mentioned when we were talking about how they could have gotten together.>

[mysteriew]

Well, I think someone posted on the last TREAD<Thread> some posts made from is 4 yr old child's grandmother. They were NOT favorable post!So, in my conversation this person was VERY clear that they think he is capable of this behavior from his/her experiences with him.

I will try to find that post if you're interested.

That's ok, I think I remember reading that. I was just looking for another person's POV.

[CvilleCit]

Hey, edited my comment MW

[mysteriew]

Hey, edited my comment MW

Ok, I saw that. Was there any mention of jealousy or controlling behaviors? Stalking or abusive behavior in past relationships?

[CvilleCit]

Nothing that I can recall was directly stated. Maybe I can get my source to get on WS. That would be helpful, and I really hope that the person from the Pal-Item would join. We need some pro-James sources to see what the other side is saying.

[Sheromom]

[quote=CvilleCit;1724087]I really feel that Erin had died and James freaked out when she started doing the death shuttering thing. So, he yelled for help. When Lonny (mom) walked in there Erin appeared to be breathing. There's not much she can do if she doesn't know CPR. So, she called 911 and tried to get help. For all she knew she was choking or something. I know that WE know all of the signs that death HAS happened, but if you don't know and think that she'll be fine with some help. Do you really scream and what would seem at the time over-react? I wasn't there. I have never gone through anything, but really think that the Parent's are NOT at fault. I can be wrong. None of us know anything right now.

I agree with this. To me the mom sounded stressed but not out of control. I don't think she realized her daughter was dying at that point; she thought she was still breathing. After all, one of the first things she said on the 911 call was: "Hurry!"

[Taximom]

There are many comments from victims and witnesses after this article regarding the hayride/truck accident last night.

I'm so glad there weren't any fatalities. CVille has been through enough lately.

http://pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071007/NEWS01/710070317

[SeriouslySearching]

Gosh, I am so glad no one was hurt badly in that accident! How lucky they all were!

[Taximom]

I know, SS! If I read that one comment correctly, the people facing the highway weren't allowed to have their legs hanging off the side. Those people saw the truck run along that same side, is what it sounded like to me!!! Can you imagine? There were lots of angels on that hayride last night.

[CvilleCit]

I was very impressed with Trackstar's post! Wouldn't it be crazy if we had a clear cut post like that on this thread!?!
Man, I wanna go to bed, but I'm scared to wake up to another 20 pages to read. You all have gotten crazy lately with posting. Well, I hope you all are having a blessed night, and have a wonderful day.

[Taximom]

Good night, CvilleCit. I know what you mean about finding more pages to read! Yikes!

[Indy Gal]

If the parents had been watching TV in the frontroom and the mom fell asleep the husband might have just covered her with a blanket and let her sleep there figuring that if she woke up she would go on to bed. Makes sense to me anyway.

Sounds like James was up rattling around in the house at least half of the night. Wonder what was keeping a young guy like that awake. Murder on his mind??
Dont you find it A little odd we are just now hearing of this???? I mean come on this is important info. No offense to anyone but CV is a small town and it sounds as if rumors are flying.

[miss_vegemite]

Would this be Jame's sister Chelsea's Myspace, do you think?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=31615531
It's strange how the comments all stop on 31st August...

[miss_vegemite]

She mentions her pa died on 2/2/06? Can anyone remember if we have that detail at all? My brain is sleuthed out ATM hehe..

[Indy Gal]

She mentions her pa died on 2/2/06? Can anyone remember if we have that detail at all? My brain is sleuthed out ATM hehe..
I dont know but they have at least one different parent as her last name is different than his. Hers is Moles and His Is Mcfarland.

SS her is what the facts are thus far.....sorry

Erins death is a homicide and 3 ppl were there James, mom, and dad
Kellys death they are unsure but think homicide.

Yeah not a lot of facts and we are 5 threads deep

[Indiana at Heart]

She mentions her pa died on 2/2/06? Can anyone remember if we have that detail at all? My brain is sleuthed out ATM hehe..



Looking now to see what I can find. I didn't find a moles for Feb 2006

[Indiana at Heart]

Would this be Jame's sister Chelsea's Myspace, do you think?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=31615531
It's strange how the comments all stop on 31st August...


I don't know I can't find a obit that fits. Also I thought she lived in Richmond, not Cambrige Now I'm lost

[Indiana at Heart]

Would this be Jame's sister Chelsea's Myspace, do you think?
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=31615531
It's strange how the comments all stop on 31st August...



I don't see James on her friends list and I don't see Amber either. I don't think it's the right one

[Littledeer]

But she does list a "james" under Other people I love.

[gooniequeen]

My guess on the above, if she did not "see" him was she "heard" him I have 6 kids and a husband and I can tell you when I'm sleeping and someone gets up I can just tell fro their "sounds" (i.e. walk, cough, peeing standing up vs. sitting down etc)

Perhaps the parents bedroom had an attached bathroom that Dale would have used. Hence, Lonny assuming it was James in the bathroom she heard him in.

Although now I have to wonder how she knew it was James and not Erin. :waitasec:

Also I just received confirmation from my PI source that in fact the window WAS removed and according to Shipman this is "standard procedure"

[gooniequeen]

I believe that is Chelsea. Chelsea Moles is James 1/2 sister. They share the same mother "Pamela" who is also deceased.

You know, all of these kids are orphaned....how sad is that. Not only are both James' bio parents dead but his step parents as well and both of Chelsea's parents are dead.

This bears no relevance, but I find it interesting/sad

[gooniequeen]

But she does list a "james" under Other people I love.

yes but she also has a "james" in her top friends...so who knows.

[gooniequeen]

oh and my guess on why NONE of James siblings and himself have comments after 8/31 is that James has told them to stop accepting comments. His 1/2 brother Brett Adkins (JPorker) also has no comments as well.

[Indiana at Heart]

But she does list a "james" under Other people I love.


There is a James on her list but not this james we are talking about

[Taximom]

I don't know. She's a minor and really not involved other than sticking up for family. Maybe the link can be kept in PM?

[Busylady]

Not sure its relevant but his 1/2 brother has several comments after 8/31.

oh and my guess on why NONE of James siblings and himself have comments after 8/31 is that James has told them to stop accepting comments. His 1/2 brother Brett Adkins (JPorker) also has no comments as well.

[Littledeer]

I was hoping that Shipman would get some of the lab results today, but just remembered that today is Columbus Day and most county/federal offices are closed.

More waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:doh:

[SuziQ]

My guess on the above, if she did not "see" him was she "heard" him I have 6 kids and a husband and I can tell you when I'm sleeping and someone gets up I can just tell fro their "sounds" (i.e. walk, cough, peeing standing up vs. sitting down etc)



Also I just received confirmation from my PI source that in fact the window WAS removed and according to Shipman this is "standard procedure"

I don't think removing a window is standard procedure. I can't think of a single removed window from any crimes I can think off. The following cases involved windows as main evidence and yet the window wasn't removed. Trenton Duckett, Maddie McCann, Kira Simonian.

[SuziQ]

Mr. Shipman is really starting to piss me off. It's murder then it's not a murder. Window removal is standard procedure. Accusing someone of hindering a murder investigation in Ohio by quoting an Ohio LE officer regarding this case. And what the heck is all that about? Shipman really wants people to back off on this case. I can understand that, we've all seen it happen. But Shipmans methods are very unprofessional, IMO.

And I'm not sure I buy that the second 911 call didn't record. Can LE and the DA get into trouble for lying about that? Sure, but it's easier to ask for forgivness than permission. Especially if they can justify the need for secrecy. And they were already shot down trying to hide the other call.

[Indiana at Heart]

I did not find any obits for Feb 2, 2006 that had any of these names in it. So I don't think we have the right my space for her!

Pamela J. Moles
PERSHING - Pamela J. Moles, age 38, of Pershing, died unexpectedly Monday, July 14, 2003, in Fayette Memorial Hospital, Connersville.

She was born in Richmond on May 10, 1965. She was a lifetime resident of Wayne County, a long time Hagerstown resident and had resided in Pershing for the past five years.

She was a graduate of Hagerstown High School, had been employed by Cinram in Richmond and the Bottle Shoppe in Cambridge City, and enjoyed quilting and fishing. She was a member of Jacksonburg Christian Church.

She is survived by her husband, Ron Moles four children, Jennifer McFarland and James McFarland Jr., both of Goshen, Amber McFarland of Pershing and Chelsea Moles of Pershing two stepchildren, Shammra Eales of Hagerstown, Pauline Moles of New Castle her father, James Arnold (companion Linda Melton) of Richmond her mother, Margie Garrett of Winona, Miss. three brothers, James Arnold and John Hedges, both of Mississippi, Jamie Arnold of Milton her maternal grandmother, Lillie Chasteen of Richmond, Ky. a special friend, Becky Sharp of Cambridge City.

She was preceded in death by her maternal grandfather, Hershel Williams paternal grandparents, Otis and Fay Arnold.

Funeral services will be at 1:30 p.m. Friday, July 18, in Culberson Funeral Home, Hagerstown, with Stan Eastman officiating. Burial will be in Lutheran Cemetery, Pershing. Visitation will be 5-8 p.m. Thursday at the funeral home.


James Arnold is not listed as dying in Feb 2006. The other grandfathers were died already and there is no Moles listed for Feb either. So I think we got the wrong my space

[gooniequeen]

To quote my reporter contact he said "baloney" regarding the statement about the window being removed as "standard procedure"

I don't think removing a window is standard procedure. I can't think of a single removed window from any crimes I can think off. The following cases involved windows as main evidence and yet the window wasn't removed. Trenton Duckett, Maddie McCann, Kira Simonian.

Mr. Shipman is really starting to piss me off. It's murder then it's not a murder. Window removal is standard procedure. Accusing someone of hindering a murder investigation in Ohio by quoting an Ohio LE officer regarding this case. And what the heck is all that about? Shipman really wants people to back off on this case. I can understand that, we've all seen it happen. But Shipmans methods are very unprofessional, IMO.

And I'm not sure I buy that the second 911 call didn't record. Can LE and the DA get into trouble for lying about that? Sure, but it's easier to ask for forgivness than permission. Especially if they can justify the need for secrecy. And they were already shot down trying to hide the other call.

I am with you 100% on this. I also received clarification on the "ohio" connection. It's not what I initially thought it might be.

However it tells me that Mr. Shipman is a bit of a hot head and might I add a control freak.

I ALSO 1000% do not for ONE SECOND (can ya tell I'm pissed) believe that Kelly's 911 tape was not recorded. I think this is what LE is saying to not have a repeat of the PI asking for it to be released.

[gooniequeen]

I did not find any obits for Feb 2, 2006 that had any of these names in it. So I don't think we have the right my space for her!

Pamela J. Moles
PERSHING - Pamela J. Moles, age 38, of Pershing, died unexpectedly Monday, July 14, 2003, in Fayette Memorial Hospital, Connersville.

She was born in Richmond on May 10, 1965. She was a lifetime resident of Wayne County, a long time Hagerstown resident and had resided in Pershing for the past five years.

She was a graduate of Hagerstown High School, had been employed by Cinram in Richmond and the Bottle Shoppe in Cambridge City, and enjoyed quilting and fishing. She was a member of Jacksonburg Christian Church.

She is survived by her husband, Ron Moles four children, Jennifer McFarland and James McFarland Jr., both of Goshen, Amber McFarland of Pershing and Chelsea Moles of Pershing two stepchildren, Shammra Eales of Hagerstown, Pauline Moles of New Castle her father, James Arnold (companion Linda Melton) of Richmond her mother, Margie Garrett of Winona, Miss. three brothers, James Arnold and John Hedges, both of Mississippi, Jamie Arnold of Milton her maternal grandmother, Lillie Chasteen of Richmond, Ky. a special friend, Becky Sharp of Cambridge City.

She was preceded in death by her maternal grandfather, Hershel Williams paternal grandparents, Otis and Fay Arnold.

Funeral services will be at 1:30 p.m. Friday, July 18, in Culberson Funeral Home, Hagerstown, with Stan Eastman officiating. Burial will be in Lutheran Cemetery, Pershing. Visitation will be 5-8 p.m. Thursday at the funeral home.


James Arnold is not listed as dying in Feb 2006. The other grandfathers were died already and there is no Moles listed for Feb either. So I think we got the wrong my space


hmmm unexpectedly at the age of 38....

[SuziQ]

I ALSO 1000% do not for ONE SECOND (can ya tell I'm pissed) believe that Kelly's 911 tape was not recorded. I think this is what LE is saying to not have a repeat of the PI asking for it to be released.[/quote]

Maybe the PI should request it anyways. Maybe they have and that's where the denial of the tapes existence came about?

[Taximom]

:clap:

I don't think removing a window is standard procedure. I can't think of a single removed window from any crimes I can think off. The following cases involved windows as main evidence and yet the window wasn't removed. Trenton Duckett, Maddie McCann, Kira Simonian.

Standard procedure, MAYBE, if the window shows signs of being pried open so they can match tool marks. Other than that?! :slap:

[CvilleCit]

I don't know. I think the Pal-Item should stand back for some time. I have already expressed my frustration with them, and stand by it. They have not been respectful as far as I'm concerned. At the memorial service they were trying to get people to talk, and I personally felt creeped out. It wasn't like a fair where people were wanting to talk to everyone. It's one thing to be respectful in getting news, and it's another thing to force news out of people.
I think they should wait until LE offers information. They'll get what they want.... and what we want, but they need to be respectful.

Oh yeah, and standard procedure my anus. I'll believe that when I see a Smoky the Bear fly over my house.

[SuziQ]

:clap:



Standard procedure, MAYBE, if the window shows signs of being pried open so they can match tool marks. Other than that?! :slap:

It does make you wonder what evidence is on the window that wouldn't be destroyed in the process of removing the window.

[Taximom]

It does make you wonder what evidence is on the window that wouldn't be destroyed in the process of removing the window.

Yes, that too! There might be more than just tool marks, but I wonder what?

What was the weather like that day? Maybe they couldn't take prints if it was rainy? Fibers from clothes?

[SeriouslySearching]

Awww Indy~ You are doing so well! : ) Thanks for the update! (We were actually just kidding around. You don't have to! hehehe)

I have to agree with SuzyQ. To remove an entire window is very costly to the family and makes no sense. It is NOT standard procedure, as I have never heard of it in any other case either! The only way to take out a window without causing damage would be to use a saw and go around the entire outside of the window effectively taking it out as one piece.

Hmmm...you might be onto something with that 911 tape. The PI should proceed if there is a chance it is there and they aren't being honest about it. It would not be the first time LE has lied to the public or misled them about evidence.

[SuziQ]

I always thought that maybe the window was possibly accidently broken during the rescue/investigation. But Shipmans comment, although it wasn't official, definitely indicates evidence.

Maybe LE has a very good reason for hiding the second 911 call, if they are hiding it that is. But they said that about the first call as well. Hmmmm.

Thank you Indy! And I hope you aren't too sore today!

BTW, a presser is supposed to be held in about 40 mins regarding the shootings in Wisconsin.

http://www.wisn.com/index.html

ETA: The presser I mentioned above has been moved to 1PM CST

[pooky169]

My brain hurts from all this. I just hope they release more info soon or my head will explode from all the presure of trying to figure this case out!!!
I don't remember if I seen this or if it was asked in previus threads but is the family back in the home after the deaths or are they staying somewhere else? Me myself I think I would buy another home there would be too many bad memories in that one to stay there. And I checked out the PI site before I came here and Bumblebug is having problems with finding an e-mail addy to use for here it sounds like she just uses aol and that kind of e-mail addy isn't accepted here.

[norcalgirl03]

Forget catching up! SPILL IT!!! LOL :D

We do need a forum on this case!

Shipman also said he had received a toxicology report Thursday on Kelly Stanley that showed there were "no drugs, alcohol or other substances in her system which would have caused her death." He said a pathologist will review the report and make a final ruling on how she died.
An updated news article arrived on the 20th Sept., but seems to bring only more confusion now. (http://www.wibc.com/News/Story.aspx?ID=75457) <<from WIBC

Just trying to get caught up from not logging in over the weekend. The quote says that there is nothing in Kelly's system that would have caused her death. Maybe I'm reading wrong, but I don't take that as there are no drugs in her system at all. When my mom died they gave my dad and I both Ambien to help us sleep. I know mine was because of nightmares of seeing my mom dead...it's possible that she could have had a prescription of anxiety and or insomnia and had taken them. It would not be enough to cause her death, but it might be enough to delay her reaction to fight if someone was suffocating her as suspected. twocents:

I still have no idea what to make of this case. At the beginning I though it was James and rough sex gone bad but with the lack of facts and overwhelming amount of rumors, I just don't know what to think these days.

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmm...I guess it does read that way. She could have had some in her system. They would have indicated drugs could have played a role in the death even if it wasn't the cause...wouldn't they? There was no mention in the search warrant they were looking for prescriptions or anything though.

[readr60]

bumblebug



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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=63736#63736)Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: postin g on websleuthsprivate1two -- I have an aol account and am still having trouble so if you know someone who is using aol and posting to websleuths I'd appreciate knowing it. On websleuths "gooniequeen commented about the boyfriends mother dying unexpectedly at age 38. I seem to recall that no autopsy was performed on her either. At that age, I would think it would have been at least requested if not required. I would appreciate it if someone could place this on websleuths for me till I can work out a plan B. Gooniequeen might find it interesting

[Wrinkles]

Hello Mysteriew :blowkiss:

In an earlier message here you wrote:

>>If the story about James not being at the home while the others went to the hospital is true (and it makes more sense that the baby went to the neighbors so family could go to the hospital), then James' statement to the press shows signs of manufactured story.<<

I don't know if the following can be of any help at all...

Interestingly, I am remembering a video that was presented from this web page (http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?s=7044469) on Sept 21st. That video has subsequently been removed, a shame, I wish they would put it back. You can see my notes about it here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1669792&postcount=30)

Also, in a message just below the one I wrote pertaining to the video, I wrote more, some of which was: (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1669873&postcount=33)
>>BTW, in the video previously mentioned, there was a note that Alexis was taken away from the home by relatives. It appears that something is being done to protect Alexis, and I certainly hope so, particularly due to the situation of her mom's death.<<

I distinctly remember watching in that video as people were walking away with Alexis (bundled), the note being that she was being taken to a relatives. I do not know if this was before or after Erin was pronounced dead. I do believe it was the same day, and I seem to recall police tape up on the property at the time they were walking away. Either way, those I saw walking away appeared to all be women. I could be mistaken.

The above, unfortunately, does not tell us who was caring for Alexis when the Stanley's were at the hospital. It does appear to give us some information about Alexis going to relatives (of someone) at or around the time of Erin's death.

W

[Wrinkles]

To All,

In this thread, message 7 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1723418&postcount=7) I have put some links to the old threads, the house plans (Missy Taximom) and to the offender data (FormerRichmondRes.) I will try to add to those, but I sure wish someone would pick up a "news and notes" section :)

W

[Wrinkles]

To those wondering about the bathroom noise, and how mom might have known it was James...

Okay gang, REALLY NOW REALLY, have none of you ever noticed the difference in sound between a girl "wizz" and a boy "wizz"? (assuming this was a wizz!)

In the case of a boy you hear like a waterfall, major water dump from X amount of feet over the toilet water, a pounding of the water (not to mention the sound of sprinkling and spraying all over the room!!!) A girl wizz is at closer proximity to the toilet water, within 1 foot, and usually sounds a bit softer/muffled due to the fact of the cushioning "bottom" covering the toilet seat.

Okay...sorry, but thought I would add a slight moment of humor along with a little "hearing discernment" possibility.

W

PS. Other ear discernment...
A tinkle, the sound of toilet paper unrolling, a pause and a flush as opposed to a flush midflood stream.

[LorinMarie]

To those wondering about the bathroom noise, and how mom might have known it was James...

Okay gang, REALLY NOW REALLY, have none of you ever noticed the difference in sound between a girl "wizz" and a boy "wizz"? (assuming this was a wizz!)

In the case of a boy you hear like a waterfall, major water dump from X amount of feet over the toilet water, a pounding of the water (not to mention the sound of sprinkling and spraying all over the room!!!) A girl wizz is at closer proximity to the toilet water, within 1 foot, and usually sounds a bit softer/muffled due to the fact of the cushioning "bottom" covering the toilet seat.

Okay...sorry, but thought I would add a slight moment of humor along with a little "hearing discernment" possibility.

W

PS. Other ear discernment...
A tinkle, the sound of toilet paper unrolling, a pause and a flush as opposed to a flush midflood stream.

ROFL! :) That was a very accurate and highly amusing account of the difference between a male and female wizz, thank you!

[Littledeer]

Wrinkles:

Roflol

I have never heard the difference explained that way before and so eloquently!

[Indy Gal]

:clap: She is only a child and isnt involed in any way here.I don't know. She's a minor and really not involved other than sticking up for family. Maybe the link can be kept in PM?

[pooky169]

If Alexis did go to a neighbors or friends house during the ordeal and James did not stay with her and he took off for a few days where did he go? Did he go somewhere to have someone help him figure out how to cover up his crime or did he just need to be away for the fact he was so upset that his fiance was just found dead??? It makes you wonder??

[SeriouslySearching]

a flush as opposed to a flush midflood stream.This is totally off topic...but...
:waitasec: Hmmm...I have noticed this before. I have never bothered to ask....WHY do men do this?!?! LOL Are they just THAT impatient or what?! :p

[gooniequeen]

ha. i have 4 sons and I would just be happy if they would flush at ANY point during the process.

[SeriouslySearching]

If Alexis did go to a neighbors or friends house during the ordeal and James did not stay with her and he took off for a few days where did he go? Did he go somewhere to have someone help him figure out how to cover up his crime or did he just need to be away for the fact he was so upset that his fiance was just found dead??? It makes you wonder??It also makes me wonder how they even TOLD James about Erin being declared dead which was done at the hospital if he had taken off. Did the parents call him? How did they inform him of her death? WHEN did they inform him of her death? If Alexis was with a neighbor...why didn't James go to the hospital with the family? You would expect her live-in boyfriend to rush right to her side...wouldn't you?!

[Wrinkles]

Hello GoonieQueen,

Pertaining to James' mom, you wrote:
>>hmmm unexpectedly at the age of 38....<<

I remembered this article blurb: (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710020302)
>>His mother, he said, died of an aneurysm in 2003. His stepmother died last year.<<

W

[pooky169]

There are so many unanswered questions and so much that we do not know it is very frustrating. I just want justice for Erin and Kelly and Alexis to be safe and well taken care of.
And it bothers me that it seems like it is going in slow motion as to any new evidence or anything being said about it anymore in the media like it has been swept under the rug.
Did anyone from here who lives in the Centerville area that knew the family somewhat attend the memorial service and if they did what was it like and what was the demeanor of the parents?

[IndyXgirl]

"In response to that court filing, McFarland had this to say- quote " i plan to do whatever it takes to have Alexis in my custody".

McFarland plans to have his grandfather help him through the process as he is currently unemployed. The document also notes that the stanley parents do feel like this is an an emergency and hope to continue to care for the infant by setting up a 1,000 dollar trust fund in her name"
I am quoting this from the news article..

I was wondering if James decided that he wanted custody now because he found out about that she would be able to get social security.

[pooky169]

"In response to that court filing, McFarland had this to say- quote " i plan to do whatever it takes to have Alexis in my custody".

McFarland plans to have his grandfather help him through the process as he is currently unemployed. The document also notes that the stanley parents do feel like this is an an emergency and hope to continue to care for the infant by setting up a 1,000 dollar trust fund in her name"
I am quoting this from the news article..

I was wondering if James decided that he wanted custody now because he found out about that she would be able to get social security.

Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it? Since he is unemployed and she is a baby he would probably get quite a bit for her care for the next 18 to 21 yrs if she decided to attend college.

[Wrinkles]

Hello Pooky169,

AND BTW, welcome to WS :D

You wrote:
>>If Alexis did go to a neighbors or friends house during the ordeal and James did not stay with her and he took off for a few days where did he go?<<

Hmmmm Well now... Reading here and according to James (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007710020302):

>>McFarland said it seemed to take "forever" for the ambulance crew to arrive at the home. When they took Erin to Reid Hospital he wanted to go, he said, but the Stanleys told him to stay behind with Alexis.<<

I believe that someone posted police logs (I can't recall if those dealt with Erin's death too), and durnit, I don't have those. If I (or someone else, hint hint) could dig them up, I would post them in the message I am posting with some links for all of us I here. (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1723418&postcount=7)

Suffice to say, I seem to recall the police/ER services were only at the Stanley home briefly, upon the call for Erin. James is saying he was asked to stay home with Alexis, although there have been some hearsay reports that she was with a neighbor. Neither of these reports have been confirmed, nor do they seem mutually exclusive. Perhaps both things happened, perhaps James stayed behind with the baby and a neighbor said, "Let me take her to my house." Was James in the presence of other people all the while that the Stanley's attended Erin to the hospital and at the hospital?

Now all of this makes me curious... IF James was left at the home, was he alone (except for maybe with Alexis)? Might he have gone on to the family computer, which we are told all had use of, at that time? If so, might he have spent his time wiping former messages on his and other's MySpace? Of course, this is pretty presumptious of me, but I surely wish we could have some facts to wipe some of the presumption.

And yes... If James left the home, did he tell police where he was going? I might guess that he was feeling fairly lost for a covering of any sort. Who would he go to be with? Where would he go? And...it seems that James has many relatives, did all welcome him OR has he kinda burned some bridges per who might take him in? WHEREVER he went, I would like to look at their computer over the days of August 30th through Sept. 8th.

W

[IndyXgirl]

Hello everyone,
I am from the small town of Centerville,but currently reside in Indy, and was shocked about the two sisters.
I have been lurking for awhile, but decided to join.

[Sheromom]

I live in a very low crime rate community and, on the very RARE occasions that we have had a murder, the police quickly planned community meetings on safety and other relevant information. I don't understand why this hasn't been done for this community. With so many locals here, I think you should call and DEMAND one; they are being ridiculous and two lives have already been lost!!!!

[Taximom]

Hi and welcome, IndyXGirl. Did you know Erin and/or Kelly? Or anyone else in this crazy mystery?

[IndyXgirl]

No, I didn't know them. I graduated in 99. But I would never have thought this would happen in the small town.

[Indiana at Heart]

No, I didn't know them. I graduated in 99. But I would never have thought this would happen in the small town.



It happens more then you think.

[IndyXgirl]

Hi and welcome, IndyXGirl. Did you know Erin and/or Kelly? Or anyone else in this crazy mystery?

My mother knows someone that is close to the family but she really has kept quiet it about what is going on.

I do know that the police have spoken with her.

[Wrinkles]

Hello SeriouslySearching,

Oh dang those people who take us off topic (like Wrinkles <--- )

BUT, you asked:
>>Hmmm...I have noticed this before. I have never bothered to ask....WHY do men do this?!?! LOL Are they just THAT impatient or what?!<<

SO FUNNY, great question! :D

Well, I just asked my husband if he could answer your question, he was "nearly" speechless! I pressed him, he responded "just a hurry up?" -- "maybe its fun to watch the wizz go down the drain?" OH, but this was his topper, "Women sit there and look like they are relaxing, we want to be 'doing something!!!'" BWAHAHAHAHAHA! SO HELPFUL, SO ENERGETIC!

My thinking is that, in my household, they hope that the noise of the flushing sounds compliant, while obscuring the sound of not lifting/closing the seat or lid and while hosing the entire bathroom (an obvious exaggeration). In the event you are interested, remind me to tell you of the story of some nearly 40 years ago when I cut out and taped targets around the base of the John, on the side and back walls etc! certainly a topic for another thread!)

W

[IndyXgirl]

Thanks for welcome

[IndyXgirl]

Does anyone know the time of death for Kelly?

[pooky169]

I know that I for one was in shock when I heard about this. In this day and age things can happen in the smallest of places. I have a friend who lives in Cambridge City and the murder of Tarra Pickett happened about 5 houses down from where she lives and her 13 yr old daughter was out at about the same time as Tarra's murder and it scared her to death and now her kids don't go anywhere without using the buddy system.

[Wrinkles]

BACK ON TOPIC:

Greetings and welcome IndyXGirl! It is comforting to know that LE is interviewing people. Thanks for sharing that info with us.


Also Indy Gal, did you just tell us you rolled with an ATM the other day? Silly Indy, your husband is probably much softer to roll with. I hope you are feeling okay and none the worse for that nasty roll :( OHHHHHHHHH and BTW, I did see your note that you had contacted LE in Cville. THANKS.

BTW, FormerRichmondRes, thanks for the note on the FD in the "offender data."

YA'LL -- does anyone have the time or feel brave enough to call a local sheriff in Indiana and ask them what FD means in an offender data report?

W

[Al_B]

I don't see James on her friends list and I don't see Amber either. I don't think it's the right one

Kinda makes you wonder doesn't it? Since he is unemployed and she is a baby he would probably get quite a bit for her care for the next 18 to 21 yrs if she decided to attend college.
surivors benefits are based on what they have paid in during their life time at her age I doubt it would add up to much and would only probably equal what one would get for tanf
the benefits also run out as soon as the child graduates highschool be it 18 or 19 and only till 19 and 1 month or they graduate which ever comes first

[Indiana at Heart]

Does anyone know the time of death for Kelly?


Her mother found her 8 to 8:15 am but she was already dead. So no sure time

[IndyXgirl]

Was she by herself in the house all night?

[IndyXgirl]

surivors benefits are based on what they have paid in during their life time at her age I doubt it would add up to much and would only probably equal what one would get for tanf
the benefits also run out as soon as the child graduates highschool be it 18 or 19 and only till 19 and 1 month or they graduate which ever comes first

Yeah but to someone that is unemployed with no job anything is better than what they have now

[IndyXgirl]

could someone send me the letter from the reporter?