Arrest made in Erin Stanley case General Discussion #2

[WindChime]

Continue on.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54576

[miss_vegemite]

Thought we all deserved a wee bit of a chuckle here on WS... I found this amusing post on PI and just couldn't resist sharing with my WS family:)

"But to walt's point about whodunit addicts...the best place is the websleuth website. They have analyzed every bit of official information and most of the rumors and determined at least 5 different people guilty at one point or another. "

[Indiana at Heart]

Thought we all deserved a wee bit of a chuckle here on WS... I found this amusing post on PI and just couldn't resist sharing with my WS family:)

"But to walt's point about whodunit addicts...the best place is the websleuth website. They have analyzed every bit of official information and most of the rumors and determined at least 5 different people guilty at one point or another. "


5 people wow was 5 people even in the dang house!!

[Littledeer]

Guess they consider Buster (dog) a person?? That would make 5! LOL

[Littledeer]

I meant to say:

Guess they thought WE considered Buster (dog) a person! That would make 5!

[Littledeer]

Has anyne heard anything from SS??????????? Is she out of the hospital??

[miss_vegemite]

Guess they consider Buster (dog) a person?? That would make 5! LOL

Not trying to be offensive, but from some of PI's posts...that sure is a possibility:D

And No, I haven't heard any news on SS yet...hoping she is on the road to recovery....real quick.

[Indiana at Heart]

Has anyne heard anything from SS??????????? Is she out of the hospital??

Haven't heard anything about SS. I hope she doing ok:)

[Samiya]

Well I guess that "the boyfriend", "the baby's father", "James", "James McFarland" and "the POS" makes 5 people.

Either way, we was right, lol.

:)

Sami

[miss_vegemite]

Well I guess that "the boyfriend", "the baby's father", "James", "James McFarland" and "the POS" makes 5 people.

Either way, we was right, lol.

:)

Sami

;) Hi-Five:slap:

[Indiana at Heart]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :woohoo:



Well I guess that "the boyfriend", "the baby's father", "James", "James McFarland" and "the POS" makes 5 people.

Either way, we was right, lol.

:)

Sami

[Mygirlsadie]

Hey we all like to keep our options open!! tsk tsk tsk





Thought we all deserved a wee bit of a chuckle here on WS... I found this amusing post on PI and just couldn't resist sharing with my WS family:)

"But to walt's point about whodunit addicts...the best place is the websleuth website. They have analyzed every bit of official information and most of the rumors and determined at least 5 different people guilty at one point or another. "

[miss_vegemite]

Hey we all like to keep our options open!! tsk tsk tsk

Arrgh I can't laff anymore, my sides are hurting:p

[FormerRichmondRes]

Well I guess that "the boyfriend", "the baby's father", "James", "James McFarland" and "the POS" makes 5 people.

Either way, we was right, lol.

:)

Sami

:doh:

[FormerRichmondRes]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/NEWS01/710110310/1008

[lovemykids]

:waitasec:
http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=11311 :confused:

[FormerRichmondRes]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/NEWS01/710110311/1008

[gooniequeen]

Well I guess that "the boyfriend", "the baby's father", "James", "James McFarland" and "the POS" makes 5 people.

Either way, we was right, lol.

:)

Sami

muahahahahahaha :slap:

[gooniequeen]

2 part post for me.

1. To Lonnie's Aunt Maggie and anyone else who is angry at those of us who looked at every possible angle. Everyone seems as if it was OK to accuse James, but that parents were off limits? Seems a bit one sided to me. Sadly the real culprits here are your LE who never even hinted that James was a POI "from the start". Were you (Maggie) on the horn with Shipman and Buckholtz every day demanding they name a POI and let Lonny and Dale off the hook? You see it was THEIR silence that casued all of this speculation and innuendo. I am truly sorry for your loss. I cannot even imagine the grief all of this has caused your family, but I think your resentment is misguided.

2. Here's my question about Kelly and why would James go back and kill Kelly...I dont see how killing kelly would have helped James if was simply because she "knew" he did it. We have to assume that he would have killed Lonny and Dale as well if that was the case. Perhaps he intended to kill them all that night he came back and chickened out?

I still have unanswered questions about Kelly's death, though I'm sure James is the perp - it just is such a waste is all I keep thinking.

[gooniequeen]

2 part post for me.

1. To Lonnie's Aunt Maggie and anyone else who is angry at those of us who looked at every possible angle. Everyone seems as if it was OK to accuse James, but that parents were off limits? Seems a bit one sided to me. Sadly the real culprits here are your LE who never even hinted that James was a POI "from the start". Were you (Maggie) on the horn with Shipman and Buckholtz every day demanding they name a POI and let Lonny and Dale off the hook? You see it was THEIR silence that casued all of this speculation and innudeno. I am truly sorry for your loss. I cannot even imagine the greif all of this has caused your family, but I think your resentment is misguided.

2. Here's my question about Kelly and why would James go back and kill Kelly...I dont see how killing kelly would have helped James if was simply because she "knew" he did it. We have to assume that he would have killed Lonny and Dale as well if that was the case. Perhaps he intended to kill them all that night he came back and chickened out?

I still have unanswered questions about Kelly's death, though I'm sure James is the perp - it just is such a waste is all I keep thinking.

OK I'm gonna answer myself....

What IF James thought by killing Kelly and then saying he has an alibi (perhaps he has a friend or family member willing to lie on his behalf) that it would then point away from him for Erin and make it seem like some crazed serial killer on the loose!

I think James just might be dumb enough (or watch a lot of movies) to make that seem like a good idea to him!

yes yes, this is my theory now!

[HAWG]

OK I'm gonna answer myself....

What IF James thought by killing Kelly and then saying he has an alibi (perhaps he has a friend or family emeber willing ot lie on his behalf) that it would then point away from him for Erin and make it seem like some crazed serial killer on the lose!

I think James just might be dumb enough (or watch a lot of movies) to make that seem like a good idea to him!

yes yes, this is my theory now!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I have been answering my own question alot latley!!!
I think we are on the same page here.

[SewingDeb]

gooniequeen...sounds possible to me!

[readr60]

Goonie I AGREE!! I believe the silence is exactly what caused all the questions. My heart goes out to the family of these 2 beautiful girls and may the perpetrator rot in %$##%%. But I honestly believe if we had heard more from the family it would have eased the minds of those that cared. The LE wasnt talking and maybe they r the ones that advised the family to do the same. But imo if this had been one of my children theyd have to have muzzled me Im not sure if I could have kept silent that long.

[Smugshots]

OK I'm gonna answer myself....

What IF James thought by killing Kelly and then saying he has an alibi (perhaps he has a friend or family member willing to lie on his behalf) that it would then point away from him for Erin and make it seem like some crazed serial killer on the loose!

I think James just might be dumb enough (or watch a lot of movies) to make that seem like a good idea to him!

yes yes, this is my theory now!

I think you could be right about that. If Kelly died of the same cause, he could try to say, see the same thing happened to Kelly and I wasn't sleeping next to her, just ask my friend/family member I was staying with.

[Indy Gal]

2 part post for me.

1. To Lonnie's Aunt Maggie and anyone else who is angry at those of us who looked at every possible angle. Everyone seems as if it was OK to accuse James, but that parents were off limits? Seems a bit one sided to me. Sadly the real culprits here are your LE who never even hinted that James was a POI "from the start". Were you (Maggie) on the horn with Shipman and Buckholtz every day demanding they name a POI and let Lonny and Dale off the hook? You see it was THEIR silence that casued all of this speculation and innuendo. I am truly sorry for your loss. I cannot even imagine the grief all of this has caused your family, but I think your resentment is misguided.

2. Here's my question about Kelly and why would James go back and kill Kelly...I dont see how killing kelly would have helped James if was simply because she "knew" he did it. We have to assume that he would have killed Lonny and Dale as well if that was the case. Perhaps he intended to kill them all that night he came back and chickened out?

I still have unanswered questions about Kelly's death, though I'm sure James is the perp - it just is such a waste is all I keep thinking.
just reading at work but where did this come from? I am so confused

[readr60]

:angel: Indy I was thinking the same thing. Could someone please point us to the original post that this answers?

[deb2007]

I didn't see this posted anywhere (of course I could be wrong) but did anyone see Greta last night? Sorry, I'm at work and trying to do this really fast. Just thought it was interesting how the mother of the Kelly's best friend seemed to be watching how she worded the things she said.

[Smugshots]

:angel: Indy I was thinking the same thing. Could someone please point us to the original post that this answers?

It's on page 20 of the last thread, I think post 491, it was brought over from PI forum, apparently Lonny's aunt had posted a message there.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54576&page=20

[Indy Gal]

TY Smug shots! Also Goonie, who says kelly was a murder. When I get home guys I am going to be posting heart condition that I think needs to be looked at. I have this condition myself and know when I am stressed it is worse. Back to work before I get fired...LOL

SS youi better freakin email me as soon as you are home!!!!!

[Indy Gal]

Just read that comment by the aunt, WOW is all I will say. If the family is all nurses then why in the hell didnt someone do CPR on these babies.....geesh! Dont get me wrong I kinda understand where she is coming from but dang.

[gooniequeen]

TY Smug shots! Also Goonie, who says kelly was a murder. When I get home guys I am going to be posting heart condition that I think needs to be looked at. I have this condition myself and know when I am stressed it is worse. Back to work before I get fired...LOL

SS youi better freakin email me as soon as you are home!!!!!

too far fetched for me to believe. Not to mention a few other things we know to be FACTS such as the officer screwing up and being quote as saying it seemed to be the "same manner of death". I think when someone's strangled it's pretty obvious. Of course the LE wants to play this BS song and dance with the public and i think it's horribly unprofessional and irresponsible of them. (IMO of course). It was obvious enough that Erin had been strangled as well yet it took them more than a month of jerking around to make that public.

I cannot wait for all the facts to be laid out on the table because I'm sure this is not some really obscure case - I'm sure it was pretty plain and simple a double homicide by strangulation. and the more I read/think/write about it the more pissed I am at this guy Shipman. He's the one gagging everyone and for what?

:furious:

[Shamrock]

But Indy, wouldn't the heart condition have been seen at autopsy?

[gooniequeen]

Just read that comment by the aunt, WOW is all I will say. If the family is all nurses then why in the hell didnt someone do CPR on these babies.....geesh! Dont get me wrong I kinda understand where she is coming from but dang.

I think she meant Lonny's MOTHER was a nurse and not Lonny herself. Remember we were unable to find any nursing licences for Lonny in the state of Indiana.

[deb2007]

too far fetched for me to believe. Not to mention a few other things we know to be FACTS such as the officer screwing up and being quote as saying it seemed to be the "same manner of death". I think when someone's strangled it's pretty obvious. Of course the LE wants to play this BS song and dance with the public and i think it's horribly unprofessional and irresponsible of them. (IMO of course). It was obvious enough that Erin had been strangled as well yet it took them more than a month of jerking around to make that public.

I cannot wait for all the facts to be laid out on the table because I'm sure this is not some really obscure case - I'm sure it was pretty plain and simple a double homicie by strangulation. and the more I read/think/write about it the more pissed I am at this guy Shipman. He's the one gagging everyone and for what?

:furious:

On Greta last night when she asked the mother of Kelly's friend something to the effect of did the family (Dale & Lonny) believe that Kelly was murdered or did they think she died of natural causes...the reply was that the family didn't think that it was natural causes.

[Amraann]

SS is ok and home :)

Just a little update :)

[pooky169]

Thats good that SS is home now. My prayers are with her for a speedy recovery. I just hope they release the findings of Kelly soon this is still driving me nuts!!!:crazy:

[Indiana at Heart]

Driving me nuts too. Still so many unanwsered things

[cheko1]

SS is ok and home :)

Just a little update :)

Thank you Amraann!
Speedy Recovery SS!!!!

[Indiana at Heart]

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/NEWS01/710110310

[cheko1]

On Greta last night when she asked the mother of Kelly's friend something to the effect of did the family (Dale & Lonny) believe that Kelly was murdered or did they think she died of natural causes...the reply was that the family didn't think that it was natural causes.

I'm sure the family has more knowledge & privvy to a great deal of info. LE is keeping them very informed as they should. Especially since they aren't talking to anyone.

[joyfulmorning]

2 part post for me.

1. To Lonnie's Aunt Maggie and anyone else who is angry at those of us who looked at every possible angle. Everyone seems as if it was OK to accuse James, but that parents were off limits? Seems a bit one sided to me. Sadly the real culprits here are your LE who never even hinted that James was a POI "from the start". Were you (Maggie) on the horn with Shipman and Buckholtz every day demanding they name a POI and let Lonny and Dale off the hook? You see it was THEIR silence that casued all of this speculation and innuendo. I am truly sorry for your loss. I cannot even imagine the grief all of this has caused your family, but I think your resentment is misguided.

2. Here's my question about Kelly and why would James go back and kill Kelly...I dont see how killing kelly would have helped James if was simply because she "knew" he did it. We have to assume that he would have killed Lonny and Dale as well if that was the case. Perhaps he intended to kill them all that night he came back and chickened out?

I still have unanswered questions about Kelly's death, though I'm sure James is the perp - it just is such a waste is all I keep thinking.
Well said Gooniequeen. I do not think that we have anything to apologize for at WS. We would be doing Erin and Kelly a great injustice if we did not question all the parties involved in this.

[Indy Gal]

too far fetched for me to believe. Not to mention a few other things we know to be FACTS such as the officer screwing up and being quote as saying it seemed to be the "same manner of death". I think when someone's strangled it's pretty obvious. Of course the LE wants to play this BS song and dance with the public and i think it's horribly unprofessional and irresponsible of them. (IMO of course). It was obvious enough that Erin had been strangled as well yet it took them more than a month of jerking around to make that public.

I cannot wait for all the facts to be laid out on the table because I'm sure this is not some really obscure case - I'm sure it was pretty plain and simple a double homicie by strangulation. and the more I read/think/write about it the more pissed I am at this guy Shipman. He's the one gagging everyone and for what?

:furious:
One LE HAS NEVER said they think the two are the same. ONLY the media has said this! If this was a simple strangulation we would know this by now but seeing how they are doing more tests leaves me to believe this is worse than we think. But I dont believe this is murder. As I said when I get home I will post the heart condition!

BTW goonie me loves ya we can disagree, some have been taking me the wrong way. Hope you dont. Really guys back to work I cant lose my job!

[joyfulmorning]

Just read that comment by the aunt, WOW is all I will say. If the family is all nurses then why in the hell didnt someone do CPR on these babies.....geesh! Dont get me wrong I kinda understand where she is coming from but dang.
This whole CPR thing has me puzzled. I just don't get it.

[Taximom]

Maybe he came back to get Alexis or do something to her, and Kelly woke up and saw him? I keep thinking that maybe she had a conversation with him and maybe told him off, or told him what she was doing to help so he thought the easy way out would be to kill her too. Since he didn't know EITHER that it was quite obvious to the coroner and LE how Erin died, he probably assumed he could do it again and get away with that one. :waitasec: :waitasec: I don't know, just thinking out loud....

Goonie, that was a great comment and I couldn't agee with you more. I have to say that I think our threads probably focused on James about 90% of the time, and looked at other possibilities (ALL of them, including the poor (HA) ex-con living a few miles away) (hee hee) about 10% of the time.

I'm sure LE had to rule the parents out too in the very beginning because that's their job. Fortunately James made it easy for them to do, but LE didn't quite pass that on to us....

SS, I'm glad to hear you are back home and hope you get well soon!!! I was worried about you. Thanks, Amra, for the update.

[imnotheonlyone]

IM4KIDS



Joined: 22 May 2007
Posts: 74
Location: Centerville
http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=64451#64451)Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: pjlallen....I don't think the Stanleys, the police, or even Kelly expected this death to occur. Out of all the posters in the forums and those interviewed that knew the family and Kelly, not a one of them has said she feared for her life. Keep in mind, the first death was not made a crime scene. They did not tape off the area and investigate until later. The police were in the process of sorting through things when the second death took place. Remember....most of the community wasn't even aware that the first death occured until Kelly died only six days later, so everyone was caught by surprise including the police, the Stanleys, and Kelly. The police did have James in jail for a short stay, but they didn't have enough evidence or a confession to keep him at that time. Evidence is the key if there is no confession in America. You are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what seems to make sense.

Anyone know if this is true?

[gooniequeen]

IM4KIDS



Joined: 22 May 2007
Posts: 74
Location: Centerville
http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=64451#64451)Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: pjlallen....I don't think the Stanleys, the police, or even Kelly expected this death to occur. Out of all the posters in the forums and those interviewed that knew the family and Kelly, not a one of them has said she feared for her life. Keep in mind, the first death was not made a crime scene. They did not tape off the area and investigate until later. The police were in the process of sorting through things when the second death took place. Remember....most of the community wasn't even aware that the first death occured until Kelly died only six days later, so everyone was caught by surprise including the police, the Stanleys, and Kelly. The police did have James in jail for a short stay, but they didn't have enough evidence or a confession to keep him at that time. Evidence is the key if there is no confession in America. You are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what seems to make sense.

Anyone know if this is true?

Who knows but IM4KIDS is wrong with several of the facts.

a. they DID know it was a crime immediately. however there is no explanation why it doesnt appear that they treated the scene more like a crime scene.

b. one of Kellys co-workers/friends DID say that kelly was afraid and slept with her lights on.

I am so glad I get to hang out wiht you smarties on WS and not the PI. That place drives me bonkers.

[imnotheonlyone]

Who knows but IM4KIDS is wrong with several of the facts.

a. they DID know it was a crime immediately. however there is no explanation why it doesnt appear that they treated the scene more like a crime scene.

b. one of Kellys co-workers/friends DID say that kelly was afraid and slept with her lights on.

I am so glad I get to hang out wiht you smarties on WS and not the PI. That place drives me bonkers.

Me too!!! The spelling and grammar alone are enough to drive ya batty :(

[CvilleMom]

thetruthwillcome



Joined: 03 Oct 2007
Posts: 5

http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=64374&sid=403bfff0b6baf20c0efd0ec14f8c8214#64374)Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: They moved back on the 31st of August because James didn't have a job and they couldn't afford rent and utilities let along formula and diapers. Kelly told me that her parents hadn't planned on letting James stay there because he couldn't keep a job. Kelly said that the her parents and Erin along with James had been arguing over the matter on the night of the 31st. Erin was found dead the morning of September 1st. Kelly had went to stay the night with her best friend because she didn't want to hear them arguing. (I personally was told this by Kelly the day after Erin died.)
I assume that this is the "Stressful Day" that was talked of on the 911 call.

[gooniequeen]

Clarification of FACTS:

Did they know Erin was a homicide all along


A final report on the autopsy on Erin Stanley confirmed the former Centerville resident was strangled. (this means there was an INITIAL report that also said it was strangulation)


Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman said he received the final report Tuesday, a pathologist's analysis of the autopsy that revealed the death was a homicide and that Erin Stanley, 19, died Sept. 1 of "asphyxia due to strangulation."
That was not a surprise, he said. "It is not new but it is finalized in a report," Shipman said. "Having the pathologist's report is very critical to this investigation." (this shows THEY KNEW IT WAS MURDER ALL ALONG)


Did Kelly possibly HAVE drugs in her system though they were not the cause of her death?


The toxicology report initially showed that Kelly Stanley had no drugs or alcohol in her system when she died. (sure, perhaps they are now looking for some rogue undectible drug that Kelly mysteriously ingested)
Shipman said he was still unsure as to when he would receive the final report on Kelly Stanley's death.

It is only the media saying that Kelly died by the same manner as Erin


Officials initially said that a preliminary analysis of her autopsy indicated Kelly died in the same fashion as her sister. (this was not merely an officer observations, but the actual autopsy)

Later they said that further analysis of the autopsy did not confirm that claim. (Im sure this pissed Shipman off that someone blabblered that to the press) (also it says it did not CONFIRM it, but it does not say it ruled it out)

[Smugshots]

Who knows but IM4KIDS is wrong with several of the facts.

a. they DID know it was a crime immediately. however there is no explanation why it doesnt appear that they treated the scene more like a crime scene.

b. one of Kellys co-workers/friends DID say that kelly was afraid and slept with her lights on.

I am so glad I get to hang out wiht you smarties on WS and not the PI. That place drives me bonkers.

OMG, I ventured over there this morning, new rumor, Lonny and James were, I can't even type it, you know what. I've forbidden myself from going there again. :doh:

[imnotheonlyone]

OMG, I ventured over there this morning, new rumor, Lonny and James were, I can't even type it, you know what. I've forbidden myself from going there again. :doh:

Thank God they stay over there.... in that little world.

[gooniequeen]

OMG, I ventured over there this morning, new rumor, Lonny and James were, I can't even type it, you know what. I've forbidden myself from going there again. :doh:

OK on THAT note I have to share with you the reply from my reporter contact when I asked him if he had been keeping up with the PI forum.

"I don't read the PI forums. They are too depressing. I deal with enough stupid people without searching for more."

[imnotheonlyone]

OK on THAT note I have to share with you the reply from my reporter contact when I asked him if he had been keeping up with the PI forum.

"I don't read the PI forums. They are too depressing. I deal with enough stupid people without searching for more."

Smart man/woman! :dance:

[pooky169]

I can't blame Kelly for not wanting to be around the drama. As far as Kelly's death when she came back home the next day from her friends and learned of Erins death it was probably from her parents who told her and probably said to her that James had did it. Then when LE started asking questions and Kelly wanted to help put away her sisters killer that somehow James found his way back to kill Kelly. Because she was making waves and he knew it was a matter of time before he would be caught and charged with Erins death. So Kelly was killed to keep her quiet.
They need to hurry up and finish the reports for Kelly so we all will know what happened but I have a sneaky suspicion it was James because who else would it be? If I am wrong I will gladly admit to it but in my gut I don't think I am.

[imnotheonlyone]

I can't blame Kelly for not wanting to be around the drama. As far as Kelly's death when she came back home the next day from her friends and learned of Erins death it was probably from her parents who told her and probably said to her that James had did it. Then when LE started asking questions and Kelly wanted to help put away her sisters killer that somehow James found his way back to kill Kelly. Because she was making waves and he knew it was a matter of time before he would be caught and charged with Erins death. So Kelly was killed to keep her quiet.
They need to hurry up and finish the reports for Kelly so we all will know what happened but I have a sneaky suspicion it was James because who else would it be? If I am wrong I will gladly admit to it but in my gut I don't think I am.

Erin and Kelly's parents went to Kelly's friend's home that evening and told her - at least this is what has been reported.

[pooky169]

Sorry everyone I do on occasion post on the PI when I find something worthy of posting on over there. I have been a member there for almost 2 yrs and only have about 250 posts LOL so nothing is that worthy really and I agree with everyone there is too much drama there. Thats why I don't post more often there. I have been a member of the new Talk-Richmond forums since April of this year and have well over 1,000 post there they have alot of drama since you can say as you like there but it has all been done in good fun most of the time.

[gooniequeen]

I can't blame Kelly for not wanting to be around the drama. As far as Kelly's death when she came back home the next day from her friends and learned of Erins death it was probably from her parents who told her and probably said to her that James had did it. Then when LE started asking questions and Kelly wanted to help put away her sisters killer that somehow James found his way back to kill Kelly. Because she was making waves and he knew it was a matter of time before he would be caught and charged with Erins death. So Kelly was killed to keep her quiet.
They need to hurry up and finish the reports for Kelly so we all will know what happened but I have a sneaky suspicion it was James because who else would it be? If I am wrong I will gladly admit to it but in my gut I don't think I am.

Again why just kill Kelly? Why not kill Dale & Lonny since they knew it too. I still think this was some elaborate plan to make it look like some crazed intruder and give James an alibi.

I want to know what his ALIBI is....he claims to have one, or so we've been told.

[pooky169]

Erin and Kelly's parents went to Kelly's friend's home that evening and told her - at least this is what has been reported.


Thanks I was unaware of that I just feel so sorry for Alexis and the Stanleys it will be a long time before their life even gets anywhere close to being back together. Nothing will ever be normal for that family again and that is truly sad.

[readr60]

PI has just posted the posible cause charge on its sight sorry cant cut and paste

[CvilleMom]

PI has just posted the posible cause charge on its sight sorry cant cut and paste


Readr, I am not seeing anything new that wasn't already there, can you elaborate on exactly what it is? Please!!

[gooniequeen]

this?

http://palitem.com/assets/pdf/A0858841010.PDF

[Indy Gal]

Who knows but IM4KIDS is wrong with several of the facts.

a. they DID know it was a crime immediately. however there is no explanation why it doesnt appear that they treated the scene more like a crime scene.

b. one of Kellys co-workers/friends DID say that kelly was afraid and slept with her lights on.

I am so glad I get to hang out wiht you smarties on WS and not the PI. That place drives me bonkers.
I agree and this is supposed to be the aunt? How can she be so wrong if she is the aunt.

[imnotheonlyone]

Again why just kill Kelly? Why not kill Dale & Lonny since they knew it too. I still think this was some elaborate plan to make it look like some crazed intruder and give James an alibi.

I want to know what his ALIBI is....he claims to have one, or so we've been told.

I've been thinking on the theory posted earlier today regarding the possibility of James returning to take Alexis...or maybe returning to take something else - anything - maybe it wasn't a premeditated murder (Kelly) at all, but a result of being "caught" in the act (whatever that "act" may have been?)

[joyfulmorning]

OMG, I ventured over there this morning, new rumor, Lonny and James were, I can't even type it, you know what. I've forbidden myself from going there again. :doh:
I have heard this rumor also, since the beginning of the investigation. It isn't anything new around town. I never posted it, because I had nothing to back it up. Who knows anymore? If that is the case, I am sure James will fess up in order to get a deal for himself or something.

[CvilleMom]

I agree and this is supposed to be the aunt? How can she be so wrong if she is the aunt.


Been reading for a while but haven't posted before now.... Just read this on PI and didn't know if you guys had seen it yet. It is supposably Lonnies aunt.

__________________________________________________ _____________

For all the people who have been so hard on this family, who offered nothing except opinions.Really hurtful ones too. I would like to reveal myself to Iam4kids. as well as others.I am Lonny's aunt.The police let the Stanleys have the baby because they already knew who did it.Doesn't take too many brains to know he was the only person besides the baby in the room with her.Lonny's demeanor is calm by nature.My sister was a nurse.She was Lonny's Mom.All of Lonny's sister have worked caring for others and handling emergency situations.Alexis will be cared for and loved.She may have been a victim but she won't have the hurt Lonny and Dale will have from losing their two daughters.Then to have a community turn on them as some of you did.She may not be as refined as allof you thought she should be however she could never be as cold hearted as some of you.For those of you who were friends with Kelly and Erin and knew the Stanleys thanks for your words of encouragement.The rest may God forgive you.


I don't think Iam4kids is the aunt...I read it as she was revealing herself to Iam4kids as the Aunt in reference to a post of Iam4kids...did I misread it?

[FormerRichmondRes]

For all the people who have been so hard on this family, who offered nothing except opinions.Really hurtful ones too. I would like to reveal myself to Iam4kids. as well as others.

I don't think Iam4kids is the aunt...I read it as she was revealing herself to Iam4kids as the Aunt in reference to a post of Iam4kids...did I misread it?

I think you're right - whoever posted this was revealing herself TO IM4Kids and the other posters.

[Indiana at Heart]

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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=64451#64451)Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject: pjlallen....I don't think the Stanleys, the police, or even Kelly expected this death to occur. Out of all the posters in the forums and those interviewed that knew the family and Kelly, not a one of them has said she feared for her life. Keep in mind, the first death was not made a crime scene. They did not tape off the area and investigate until later. The police were in the process of sorting through things when the second death took place. Remember....most of the community wasn't even aware that the first death occured until Kelly died only six days later, so everyone was caught by surprise including the police, the Stanleys, and Kelly. The police did have James in jail for a short stay, but they didn't have enough evidence or a confession to keep him at that time. Evidence is the key if there is no confession in America. You are innocent until proven guilty regardless of what seems to make sense.

Anyone know if this is true?


The police did have James in jail for a short stay, but they didn't have enough evidence or a confession to keep him at that time.

First I have heard of this

[FormerRichmondRes]

I did not get to see Greta last night . . . is there a video? I have a hard time navigating the foxnews site for some reason.

[gooniequeen]

I agree and this is supposed to be the aunt? How can she be so wrong if she is the aunt.


IM4KIDS i not the aunt - MAGGIE is.

[CvilleMom]

Where is CvilleCit and Dancer at?? I have not seen a post from them since the arrest, unless I missed it....has anyone heard from either of them?

[Indiana at Heart]

PI People are nuts!!!

But I agree with one thing someone over there said. I don't think if it was rough sex that James would dress her back in sweat pants.

I'm tired of the sex part. She was KILLED

[Smugshots]

PI People are nuts!!!

But I agree with one thing someone over there said. I don't think if it was rough sex that James would dress her back in sweat pants.

I'm tired of the sex part. She was KILLED

Amen!

[imnotheonlyone]

PI People are nuts!!!

But I agree with one thing someone over there said. I don't think if it was rough sex that James would dress her back in sweat pants.

I'm tired of the sex part. She was KILLED

None of us knows.....

[Taximom]

PI People are nuts!!!

But I agree with one thing someone over there said. I don't think if it was rough sex that James would dress her back in sweat pants.

I'm tired of the sex part. She was KILLED

:clap::clap:STANDING OVATION HERE!!! :clap: :clap:

[Wrinkles]

Well now...

Have any of you heard about the "but monkey?"

Think about this... (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1728745&postcount=356)

Evidently James step brother posted the following on his site:

>>hey bro i know right now ya lockt up 4 some **** that i dont think u did but keep ya head up and stay on track son FREE JAMES<<

>>I "know" ya lockt up<< (awwww poor James, and Erin has her so-called lover strangle her with his bare hands, she's been cremated, James' is sucking down grits)

>>that i dont "think"<< OHHH we have gone from "know" to "think" --- I'd say he thinks something he didn't write!

AND THEN the "but" monkey jumps in... So, my guess this fella has a lot of thoughts on whether James did it, "but monkey" go ahead and "keep ya head up and stay on track son" <---------- stay on what track? Lying? Denial?

I don't think this person is at all convinced that James didn't do this, on the contrary.

W

[imnotheonlyone]

Well now...

Have any of you heard about the "but monkey?"

Think about this... (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1728745&postcount=356)

Evidently James step brother posted the following on his site:

>>hey bro i know right now ya lockt up 4 some **** that i dont think u did but keep ya head up and stay on track son FREE JAMES<<

>>I "know" ya lockt up<< (awwww poor James, and Erin has her so-called lover strangle her with his bare hands, she's been cremated, James' is sucking down grits)

>>that i dont "think"<< OHHH we have gone from "know" to "think" --- I'd say he thinks something he didn't write!

AND THEN the "but" monkey jumps in... So, my guess this fella has a lot of thoughts on whether James did it, "but monkey" go ahead and "keep ya head up and stay on track son" <---------- stay on what track? Lying? Denial?

I don't think this person is at all convince that James didn't do this, on the contrary.

W

He KNOWS James is locked up but doesn't THINK that James did the crime...

[readr60]

cvillemom:
Im sorry I wasnt aware it had been previously posted

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I didn't see this posted anywhere (of course I could be wrong) but did anyone see Greta last night? Sorry, I'm at work and trying to do this really fast. Just thought it was interesting how the mother of the Kelly's best friend seemed to be watching how she worded the things she said.


I'm glad someone else seemed to think that she was choosing her words carefully. I think there is still a lot more information that is going to come out of all of this. I'm still not convinced that James was the only person involved in all of this. Maybe it's because of the mother being so calm on the 911 tape. I just want more information to come out! Not putting much stock in what Shipman says. I need facts from another source that's more along the line of true facts that aren't being withheld from the public. Hope this makes sense. I'm thinking out loud now.

[readr60]

centervillejustice:
You know I have to say I agree. Theres that "somethings not right that keeps haunting me about this case" God forgive me if Im wrong. I just cant shake that feeling

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I didn't see this posted anywhere (of course I could be wrong) but did anyone see Greta last night? Sorry, I'm at work and trying to do this really fast. Just thought it was interesting how the mother of the Kelly's best friend seemed to be watching how she worded the things she said.


I'm glad someone else seemed to think that she was choosing her words carefully. I think there is still a lot more information that is going to come out of all of this. I'm still not convinced that James was the only person involved in all of this. Maybe it's because of the mother being so calm on the 911 tape. I just want more information to come out! Not putting much stock in what Shipman says. I need facts from another source that's more along the line of true facts that aren't being withheld from the public. Hope this makes sense. I'm thinking out loud now.

I too was mystified by the mother's tone during the 911 call, but when I thought about it, there are are justifiable possibilities such as: did she take sleep medication? I take a prescription sleep aide that would not ALLOW me to function clearly if I wanted to during certain hours after taken....

[Mygirlsadie]

I agree whole-heartedly with part 1 of your post goonie!! You pulled the words right out of my mouth!





2 part post for me.

1. To Lonnie's Aunt Maggie and anyone else who is angry at those of us who looked at every possible angle. Everyone seems as if it was OK to accuse James, but that parents were off limits? Seems a bit one sided to me. Sadly the real culprits here are your LE who never even hinted that James was a POI "from the start". Were you (Maggie) on the horn with Shipman and Buckholtz every day demanding they name a POI and let Lonny and Dale off the hook? You see it was THEIR silence that casued all of this speculation and innuendo. I am truly sorry for your loss. I cannot even imagine the grief all of this has caused your family, but I think your resentment is misguided.

2. Here's my question about Kelly and why would James go back and kill Kelly...I dont see how killing kelly would have helped James if was simply because she "knew" he did it. We have to assume that he would have killed Lonny and Dale as well if that was the case. Perhaps he intended to kill them all that night he came back and chickened out?

I still have unanswered questions about Kelly's death, though I'm sure James is the perp - it just is such a waste is all I keep thinking.

[deb2007]

I did not get to see Greta last night . . . is there a video? I have a hard time navigating the foxnews site for some reason.
I don't know if there is a video or not. If there is I would love for someone to direct me to it.
I was surprised that they had a interview Kelly's best friends mother. It was good hearing (finally) someone from Centerville speaking on Fox. I believe that Greta was trying to learn what they knew about Kelly's death, what her frame of mind was...etc. The mother said that her daughter and Kelly were suppose to hang out on Friday (in my mind showing that Kelly didn't have thoughts of suicide. Also as I previously posted that the family did not believe that Kelly's death was from natural causes. Sorry, not any more help to you than that.
Shoot, I have a hard time turning the darn t.v. on after someone has played a game on it...have to ask my 14 yr old how to do it.:doh:

[CvilleMom]

cvillemom:
Im sorry I wasnt aware it had been previously posted


NP Readr, I was just "hoping" for something new and then couldn't find anything LOL

[FormerRichmondRes]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


Shoot, I have a hard time turning the darn t.v. on after someone has played a game on it...have to ask my 14 yr old how to do it.:doh:

At least it isn't your 4 year old . . :slap:

[Busylady]

I still think there is alot of pieces missing in this puzzle. If Kelly was murdered and in my opinion that is still a big if at this point, how did James get back in the house without waking anyone up, kill Kelly and leave. I would think after losing Erin and they knew at that time it was murder and they suspected James they would be on edge and not sleeping peacefully through the night, every little noise would make you jump.

If I am understanding this right the original autopsy on Kelly strangulation was pretty much ruled out, now they are doing more tox screening which indicates they are testing for things they didnt originally test for. The delay in releasing cause of death is because they are consulting with other pathologist, which tells me they have no idea how she died at this point that there was not the signs of strangulation. I think the police officer on the scene made a big mistake by staying it appears they died in the same fashion, which I understand would be the first assumption, two sisters 6 days apart found dead both lying in bed. But as a LE officer you cannot make assumptions.

The other things that bothers me they waited until the final autopsy to state strangulation before they made the arrest. Do they not have any physical evidence against James except that he was in the same bed with Erin when she died?

[imnotheonlyone]

I don't know if there is a video or not. If there is I would love for someone to direct me to it.
I was surprised that they had a interview Kelly's best friends mother. It was good hearing (finally) someone from Centerville speaking on Fox. I believe that Greta was trying to learn what they knew about Kelly's death, what her frame of mind was...etc. The mother said that her daughter and Kelly were suppose to hang out on Friday (in my mind showing that Kelly didn't have thoughts of suicide. Also as I previously posted that the family did not believe that Kelly's death was from natural causes. Sorry, not any more help to you than that.
Shoot, I have a hard time turning the darn t.v. on after someone has played a game on it...have to ask my 14 yr old how to do it.:doh:

I am SO glad to know I'm not the only one! :confused:

[Bobbisangel]

I think that they have enough evidence on James for Erin's death. It seems unlikely that someone else came into the bedroom and strangled Erin while James slept right next to her.

I think that it is possible that Kelly confronted James during the evening and told him that they know that he murdered Erin. Or she may have talked on the phone with him that night. I think he came through her window as the LE took the window...cut it right out. I think he came through the window and possible smothered her instead of strangled her. If he climbed through the window and landed on top of her he could have smothered her before she even had much time to react. Smothering won't show up in a autopsy. I don't doubt that James murdered Kelly for whatever reason. I think LE know that it was James that murdered Kelly just like they knew that he murdered Erin.

[Taximom]

I still think that Kelly would have heard someone prying at her window if that's what happened. That was some serious damage to the metal around that window. So a surprise attack by coming through that window doesn't float with me.

STILL so many questions!

[FormerRichmondRes]

I still think that Kelly would have heard someone prying at her window if that's what happened. That was some serious damage to the metal around that window. So a surprise attack by coming through that window doesn't float with me.

STILL so many questions!

Have we determined for certain if anyone but the baby was in the house when Kelly died?

[Wrinkles]

Early morning revelation...

First of all, I do not have ANY criticism of how Lonnie handled Erin's 911 call, never had -- I felt like I heard her breathing, tension, concern and her "Hurry." I realized that some people had some questions, confusions about some things, and while I shared some considerations, I felt that I heard Lonnie's concern LOUD AND CLEAR!

Now for the revelation... This morning I was thinking...

One thing that someone with any medical knowledge knows is that when a person expires their bladder and bowels may let loose. We have NO clue whether Lonnie checked Erin's pulse when she first walked into that room, my guess is that she might have (and maybe without anyone really realizing). IF she had somewhat knowledgeable eyes, she may have seen red around Erin's throat that hadn't been there 5 hours before when they all went to bed. She did know about the tension in the house.

Now then... WHAT IF Lonnie immediately thought her daughter was the victim of an attemped murder (my guess is she suspected this based on James waking earlier and going to the bathroom -- if this is true, then later screaming for help, and what she was seeing in Erin). First, you don't do CPR on someone who is still with a heart beat and breathing, you do what you can to assist them (like turning them on their side, or on their back and head sideways.)

What if you sensed that the person who did the attempted murder was right there in the room with you? You don't want them to think you "get it" -- you just want help to get there ASAP because THEY will "get it" (or so you hope they will.) And...we have a father of a beloved teen there in the house/room who may have suspected attempted murder. Did Lonnie and Dale's eyes meet and Lonnie tried to calm dad so he didn't go for the family gun? My husband might have, he might have held the person at gun point or gone ballistic. If I had been in the situation, I would have wanted to get my daughter help, and keep my husband from ending up in jail. OR keep him from suspecting what I did.

SO...if you are trying to keep the whole room calm, 1st and 2nd guessing your gut, you remain as calm as you can so no one gets tipped off and the environment doesn't change. You tell 911 "She pissed herself" (hoping that they GET IT, there may be a death.) You tell them that she is unresponsive and blue. You tell them "she is trying to breathe" (even if you know better, because you want them HEARING YOU TO GET THERE NOW!) Maybe Lonnie had slipped up Erin's shirt and saw blood pooling on her body near the bed, knowing what that meant. Why say you don't know CPR? Maybe you know she has been dead for a while, or maybe she is still breathing, maybe to say "GET HERE, GET HERE, WE HAVE THE MURDERER IN OUR HANDS GET HERE" without saying it.

And where was Alexis, in James arms? With grampa, or Lonnie? IF that baby was in James arms, do you think that Lonnie or Dale would have done anything to upset that situation and put that baby at risk? Was Dale poised to move on James if he tried to leave, but Lonnie didn't want James to know, "Just sit their James, we can't do anything right now."

Maybe, Lonnie and Dale had a clue (knowing that Erin was NOT alive) and were just trying to fake James out by being positioned in several places in case they turned their back and he tried to leave with the baby... Maybe, they were JUST trying to keep things moving in the right direction to get Erin help while making sure that James didn't try flight.

Now then...who had Alexis when Dale and Lonnie went to the hospital. IF they suspected flight, I think it might be more likely that the baby was taken to a neighbor (we need facts). AND/OR perhaps the police were with James when they left for the hospital and they figured the police would get it, OR once they got out of James presence they would make a phone call to say, "DON'T LET HIM GO!"

Ah yes...and maybe, just maybe James would have liked to have scooted out of the house after killing Erin, but Lonnie was on the couch and in plain view of the exits of the house. Better for him to try to fake things?

Okay...so where are the holes in the above?

W

[Taximom]

Have we determined for certain if anyone but the baby was in the house when Kelly died?

I am SO totally the wrong person to ask! lol Where's SS when you need her?!

I don't think I've seen confirmed who was in the home when Kelly died. I guess we'll have to wait for the affidavit on that too....

[greeneyz]

Don't know if any of you saw this post over at PI yet, I wonder who this poster is????


http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=11311&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30


britbrat0234


Look, I KNEW HE DID IT FROM THE GET GO. It is about time they got him, duh you cant just lay in bed next to someone while they are being strangled and not feel it....god that is stupid. I knew he did it and now there is finally justice for Erin, and I KNOW HE KILLED KELLY i know he did...why wouldnt he? She was helping the cops....why wouldnt he? There will be justice for both of my girls. I love you both girls....there will be justice, he did it, hes going to pay and everyone is here for Alexis Erin...you girls rest is peace babies....rest in peace

[Taximom]

Didn't one of them have a friend named Brittany (sp)?

[ucka]

Well now...

Have any of you heard about the "but monkey?"

Think about this... (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1728745&postcount=356)

Evidently James step brother posted the following on his site:

>>hey bro i know right now ya lockt up 4 some **** that i dont think u did but keep ya head up and stay on track son FREE JAMES<<

>>I "know" ya lockt up<< (awwww poor James, and Erin has her so-called lover strangle her with his bare hands, she's been cremated, James' is sucking down grits)

>>that i dont "think"<< OHHH we have gone from "know" to "think" --- I'd say he thinks something he didn't write!

AND THEN the "but" monkey jumps in... So, my guess this fella has a lot of thoughts on whether James did it, "but monkey" go ahead and "keep ya head up and stay on track son" <---------- stay on what track? Lying? Denial?

I don't think this person is at all convinced that James didn't do this, on the contrary.

W

JokerP is one of the most illiterate people I have ever seen, have you checked out his blogs?

Good luck trying to read this without your head exploding...

being with that speshle some one dont have to be like walkin on glass and u shodent ever have to kiss that speshal some ones ass and after u say sorry once thats a nuff 4 all ya ****ups u did in the past so if u have your speshal some one wish ya the best and hopfly yours and mine will both be up 4 the task and maybe thay both will lastI can't take anything he says seriously

How do you make it past the age of ten and still write like that?!?!

However, do we know who James was staying with in Cambridge City?, because it looks like JokerP's girlfriend lives there according to her myspace.

[Wrinkles]

Oh also...a thought...

My guess is that there are several reasons for the hold up on all facts coming out on Kelly's death.

My bet is that law enforcement:

a) wants to be sure they can nail James for this, it is probably fairly clearly this was not a natural death and they need to work hard to get this right now

and

b) knows that there is a lawsuit on their hands due to not putting James in custody when they KNEW Erin was strangled, thus resulting in another death. i.e. DON'T make any more mistakes than you already have

Of course, the above is just me blathering :)

W

[Wrinkles]

Oh....and another couple thoughts...

Why didn't James have an attorney?

Perhaps his suggestion that grandpa was going to help with anything was a pie in the sky kinda thing in James' mind. IF grandpa was going to help, and if he was a federal investigator or knowledgeable about things like this, it seems he might have foreseen an arrest on murder and lined up an attorney.

Or, maybe grampa said, "Let the judge handle this at first, I'll hunt up a good defense attorney."

Frankly, I hope that grampa conserves his money for himself and his children who will be inheritors. I think it would be a shame for everyone to lose even more due to what I believe are James actions.

I feel a deep sadness for all the families. Now then, I hope that James' family doesn't start acting out and convert my sadness to madness.

W

[Wrinkles]

Hello FormerRichmondRes,

I do not think we have anything but anecdotal info on who was in the house at the time Kelly died/was murdered. I do not recall any official or press information on this.

W

[imnotheonlyone]

JokerP is one of the most illiterate people I have ever seen, have you checked out his blogs?

Good luck trying to read this without your head exploding...

I can't take anything he says seriously

How do you make it past the age of ten and still write like that?!?!

However, do we know who James was staying with in Cambridge City?, because it looks like JokerP's girlfriend lives there according to her myspace.

Oh my gosh.............. I'm amazed that he's figured out how to log on to MySpace.....

[CvilleMom]

Hello FormerRichmondRes,

I do not think we have anything but anecdotal info on who was in the house at the time Kelly died/was murdered. I do not recall any official or press information on this.

W

Wasn't is stated in the 911 transcript who was in the house at the time of the call (From Kelly's death, the one that wasn't recorded) I know that posting is soo far back, but surely someone has saved that, or at least the original poster of that 911 transcript could find it?? I was sure that it stated only other people present was Lonny and Alexis.

[FormerRichmondRes]

Hello FormerRichmondRes,

I do not think we have anything but anecdotal info on who was in the house at the time Kelly died/was murdered. I do not recall any official or press information on this.

W

I didn't think so either . . . ty.

[imnotheonlyone]

Oh....and another couple thoughts...

Why didn't James have an attorney?

Perhaps his suggestion that grandpa was going to help with anything was a pie in the sky kinda thing in James' mind. IF grandpa was going to help, and if he was a federal investigator or knowledgeable about things like this, it seems he might have foreseen an arrest on murder and lined up an attorney.

Or, maybe grampa said, "Let the judge handle this at first, I'll hunt up a good defense attorney."

Frankly, I hope that grampa conserves his money for himself and his children who will be inheritors. I think it would be a shame for everyone to lose even more due to what I believe are James actions.

I feel a deep sadness for all the families. Now then, I hope that James' family doesn't start acting out and convert my sadness to madness.

W

I understood the "Grandpa will get me an attorney" statement to be in reference to obtaining custody of Alexis...?

[FormerRichmondRes]

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Here is the information that I had been waiting on from the 911 call from Kelly's death. I also saw that Channel 13 out of Indianapolis aired a segment tonight and had this information. This is not as good as a recording would be.

The printout shows that the 911 call came from the Stanley home, but does not say who the caller is. Comments have been entered by several people in this report. The called was received at 8:05 am on September 7, 2007.

Entry: "Not breathing"

Entry: "18 Y/O female"

Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

Entry: "Laying on the bed. Caller advising that she cannot touch her."

Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Entry: "Req 89-300" (coroner)

Entry: "Looks suspicious per cm4."

There are also entries for a prosecutor being contacted and officer being at prosecutor's office for search warrant. There is an entry mentioning James McFarland person of interest.

It sure would be nice to have the recording to listen to the caller identified as "she" and what was actually said.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1706272&postcount=469

[CvilleMom]

Wasn't is stated in the 911 transcript who was in the house at the time of the call (From Kelly's death, the one that wasn't recorded) I know that posting is soo far back, but surely someone has saved that, or at least the original poster of that 911 transcript could find it?? I was sure that it stated only other people present was Lonny and Alexis.



And here it is....
Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

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Here is the information that I had been waiting on from the 911 call from Kelly's death. I also saw that Channel 13 out of Indianapolis aired a segment tonight and had this information. This is not as good as a recording would be.

The printout shows that the 911 call came from the Stanley home, but does not say who the caller is. Comments have been entered by several people in this report. The called was received at 8:05 am on September 7, 2007.

Entry: "Not breathing"

Entry: "18 Y/O female"

Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

Entry: "Laying on the bed. Caller advising that she cannot touch her."

Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Entry: "Req 89-300" (coroner)

Entry: "Looks suspicious per cm4."

There are also entries for a prosecutor being contacted and officer being at prosecutor's office for search warrant. There is an entry mentioning James McFarland person of interest.

It sure would be nice to have the recording to listen to the caller identified as "she" and what was actually said.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1706272&postcount=469

Where's the rest? This can't be all that was said......during the entire call....does 911 claim that these are the only comments?

[Taximom]

Right, but we still don't know if Lonny worked or not that night, leaving Alexis and Kelly the only ones there. I forgot about Dale-had he just left early that morning for work?

[FormerRichmondRes]

Where's the rest? This can't be all that was said......during the entire call....does 911 claim that these are the only comments?

This is all that was typed into the computer by the 911 dispatcher working the phones that morning. They still say they don't have a recording of the actual call.

I have HEARD that Lonny yelled out something to the effect of "HE DID IT AGAIN" and that was why the call was 'lost' - but that is purely speculation/rumor.

[imnotheonlyone]

This is all that was typed into the computer by the 911 dispatcher working the phones that morning. They still say they don't have a recording of the actual call.

I have HEARD that Lonny yelled out something to the effect of "HE DID IT AGAIN" and that was why the call was 'lost' - but that is purely speculation/rumor.

I just have a hard time understanding HOW on Earth he could have come through a window (noise), and killed someone without disturbing anyone else.... but then, I don't remember - does Lonny work nights? I thought she'd been home since Erin's death? And the father...does he work days/nights?

[imnotheonlyone]

This is all that was typed into the computer by the 911 dispatcher working the phones that morning. They still say they don't have a recording of the actual call.

I have HEARD that Lonny yelled out something to the effect of "HE DID IT AGAIN" and that was why the call was 'lost' - but that is purely speculation/rumor.

Does anyone have a time frame that the 911 recording system was supposedly "down?"

[FormerRichmondRes]

I just have a hard time understanding HOW on Earth he could have come through a window (noise), and killed someone without disturbing anyone else.... but then, I don't remember - does Lonny work nights? I thought she'd been home since Erin's death? And the father...does he work days/nights?

From what I understand - Lonny came home (or woke up) and found her . . . the 911 transcript states that no one else was in the house except Kelly and the baby.

[gooniequeen]

I still think there is alot of pieces missing in this puzzle. If Kelly was murdered and in my opinion that is still a big if at this point, how did James get back in the house without waking anyone up, kill Kelly and leave. I would think after losing Erin and they knew at that time it was murder and they suspected James they would be on edge and not sleeping peacefully through the night, every little noise would make you jump.

If I am understanding this right the original autopsy on Kelly strangulation was pretty much ruled out, now they are doing more tox screening which indicates they are testing for things they didnt originally test for. The delay in releasing cause of death is because they are consulting with other pathologist, which tells me they have no idea how she died at this point that there was not the signs of strangulation. I think the police officer on the scene made a big mistake by staying it appears they died in the same fashion, which I understand would be the first assumption, two sisters 6 days apart found dead both lying in bed. But as a LE officer you cannot make assumptions.

The other things that bothers me they waited until the final autopsy to state strangulation before they made the arrest. Do they not have any physical evidence against James except that he was in the same bed with Erin when she died?

This is incorrect -

Officials initially said that a preliminary analysis of her autopsy indicated Kelly died in the same fashion as her sister.

Later they said that further analysis of the autopsy did not confirm that claim. (it says it did not CONFIRM it, but it does not say it ruled it out)

Also have we thought of the possiblity that the perp broke in the window and hid waiting for Kelly? Perhaps in her closet and waited for her to go to sleep before attacking her? This would explain someone breaking in and not being detected.

[CvilleMom]

Where is CvilleCit and Dancer at?? I have not seen a post from them since the arrest, unless I missed it....has anyone heard from either of them?


Has ANYONE heard from either of these two??

[imnotheonlyone]

Where did you go Hawg? Haven't heard from you in a bit

[gooniequeen]

From what I understand - Lonny came home (or woke up) and found her . . . the 911 transcript states that no one else was in the house except Kelly and the baby.

I think we received confirmation that Lonny only returned to week this past week and WAS in the home when Kelly died. She awoke to the dog barking and the baby crying and went to get Kelly to help and that is when/how she found her. This was appox. 8am.

[gooniequeen]

Has ANYONE heard from either of these two??

nope. hmmm wouldn't that be bizzare if "they" were James?

[gooniequeen]

This is all that was typed into the computer by the 911 dispatcher working the phones that morning. They still say they don't have a recording of the actual call.

I have HEARD that Lonny yelled out something to the effect of "HE DID IT AGAIN" and that was why the call was 'lost' - but that is purely speculation/rumor.

And this is WHY i believe that 911 tape exists and they were keeping it under wraps. Perhaps now that he's been arrested they can release it!

yikes, i got the chills - i can only imagine the terror that Lonny experience opening that door and seeing her baby Kelly dead.

[imnotheonlyone]

nope. hmmm wouldn't that be bizzare if "they" were James?

Oh my gosh, now I'm freaked out - when was Dancer's last post? James hadn't logged in to his MySpace since Oct. 4th - I assume that this is when he left his Grandfather's to stay elsewhere

[imnotheonlyone]

And this is WHY i believe that 911 tape exists and they were keeping it under wraps. Perhaps now that he's been arrested they can release it!

yikes, i got the chills - i can only imagine the terror that Lonny experience opening that door and seeing her baby Kelly dead.

From James' very short message (that he sent to me on MySpace), he wouldn't have been one to sit and disguise himself - he was brief and "to the point"

[Taximom]

Since I can't keep anything straight anymore, I'm asking if Bumblebug ever made it here? Or has Bumblebug posted at p-i since James was arrested?

[Taximom]

From James' very short message (that he sent to me on MySpace), he wouldn't have been one to sit and disguise himself - he was brief and "to the point"

He wrote you back?! Wow. Let me guess. Two words and one started with F? lol

[CvilleMom]

nope. hmmm wouldn't that be bizzare if "they" were James?


I guess that would be bizarre, but I really don't think so. Thier posts were also much more intelligible than I feel he would be able to compose. But, I have missed them and knew I had not seen any posts from either of them since the arrest. I had spoken to CvilleCit in PM and I just don't think that would be probable.

[Busylady]

I will try and find where I read that Kelly was suppose to be up for school at 7:00 and dad had left the house around 6:15 to go to work. Lonny went at 8 to ask for help with Alexis and letting the dog out. If this is correct then Lonny, Dale, and Alexis were all in the house when Kelly died.

[gooniequeen]

From James' very short message (that he sent to me on MySpace), he wouldn't have been one to sit and disguise himself - he was brief and "to the point"

but maybe his sister, or another friend? Whomever Dancer Girl was she hasnt signed on since 10/9 that day of james arrest.

who knows.

CvillCit singed on today but no posts since just after the arrest the other night.

[gooniequeen]

Since I can't keep anything straight anymore, I'm asking if Bumblebug ever made it here? Or has Bumblebug posted at p-i since James was arrested?

i dont think BB ever showed up here. :mad:

[imnotheonlyone]

He wrote you back?! Wow. Let me guess. Two words and one started with F? lol

He did, I was amazed - he said, "not doing good just lost a loved one that I was very close to"

[Taximom]

He did, I was amazed - he said, "not doing good just lost a loved one that I was very close to"

Oh wow! ~~putting brave WS'er gold medal around your neck~~

I thought maybe he was going to tell people off. Did you get to ask him anything else or was he already arrested by then?

[gooniequeen]

He did, I was amazed - he said, "not doing good just lost a loved one that I was very close to"

yeah so close you choked the life out of her.

ooops did i just say that.

[Taximom]

yeah so close you choked the life out of her.

ooops did i just say that.

I know I shouldn't laugh, but that got me.:silenced:

[FormerRichmondRes]

but maybe his sister, or another friend? Whomever Dancer Girl was she hasnt signed on since 10/9 that day of james arrest.

who knows.

CvillCit singed on today but no posts since just after the arrest the other night.

We need Indy - but I am pretty positive that both CvilleCit and DancerGirl were personal friends of Kelly . . . Indy has spoken either through chat or pm to both of them . . . so I am pretty certain they are NOT James. he is not that coherent.

[gooniequeen]

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Here is the information that I had been waiting on from the 911 call from Kelly's death. I also saw that Channel 13 out of Indianapolis aired a segment tonight and had this information. This is not as good as a recording would be.

The printout shows that the 911 call came from the Stanley home, but does not say who the caller is. Comments have been entered by several people in this report. The called was received at 8:05 am on September 7, 2007.

Entry: "Not breathing"

Entry: "18 Y/O female"

Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

Entry: "Laying on the bed. Caller advising that she cannot touch her."

Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Entry: "Req 89-300" (coroner)

Entry: "Looks suspicious per cm4."

There are also entries for a prosecutor being contacted and officer being at prosecutor's office for search warrant. There is an entry mentioning James McFarland person of interest.

It sure would be nice to have the recording to listen to the caller identified as "she" and what was actually said.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1706272&postcount=469

What's a Cm4?

[LorinMarie]

I would have thought that if they were James they would have been defending him, Dancer very openly stated that she thought it was him. I hope everything is ok!!

[imnotheonlyone]

Oh wow! ~~putting brave WS'er gold medal around your neck~~

I thought maybe he was going to tell people off. Did you get to ask him anything else or was he already arrested by then?

I tried, I replied and I do know that my second message was read (it's reflected as so) but he never did reply back......

I left him a comment on the day he was arrested, then thought I'd better remove myself from that situation and deleted not only the comment but also deleted him as a friend...

[imnotheonlyone]

What's a Cm4?

Probably just the officer number (ID)

[imnotheonlyone]

yeah so close you choked the life out of her.

ooops did i just say that.

That's what I said in my comment "LOST a love one huh?!?!?!?!?!?!"

[Indiana at Heart]

None of us knows.....


You just don't arrest someone for rough sex you arrest someone who killed another person. It's been said time and again that rough sex and killing someone is two different things.

The cops know what they are doing and they didn't arrest him for rough sex they arrest him for MURDERIN ERIN

[FormerRichmondRes]

Goonie - clean out your PMs!

[ucka]

That's what I said in my comment "LOST a love one huh?!?!?!?!?!?!"

Ha ha I actually saw that before you deleted it. I didn't realize you were from WS I thought it was one of his old friends or something.

[Indiana at Heart]

From what I understand - Lonny came home (or woke up) and found her . . . the 911 transcript states that no one else was in the house except Kelly and the baby.



LONNY Woke up she had not been back to work yet from Erin Death

[imnotheonlyone]

You just don't arrest someone for rough sex you arrest someone who killed another person. It's been said time and again that rough sex and killing someone is two different things.

The cops know what they are doing and they didn't arrest him for rough sex they arrest him for MURDERIN ERIN

I work in a Coroner's Office, there are many, many more ACCIDENTAL deaths by means of autoerotic asphyxiation / asphyxiophilia than you would care to know of.... I'd never heard of such a thing before coming here, and have seen case after case of such....

If the police "know what they are doing" I would hope they would have known to have kept Kelly and her parents & niece safe.... they didn't

[imnotheonlyone]

Ha ha I actually saw that before you deleted it. I didn't realize you were from WS I thought it was one of his old friends or something.

Probably not the smartest idea huh? I deleted it quickly

[FormerRichmondRes]

:slap:Probably not the smartest idea huh? I deleted it quickly

[FormerRichmondRes]

What's a Cm4?

I agree that it was most likely the officer or first responder on scene - they always have code numbers for each person on the FD or PD . .

For future reference . . .

http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html This has a listing of all the police scanner codes.

[Indiana at Heart]

I will try and find where I read that Kelly was suppose to be up for school at 7:00 and dad had left the house around 6:15 to go to work. Lonny went at 8 to ask for help with Alexis and letting the dog out. If this is correct then Lonny, Dale, and Alexis were all in the house when Kelly died.



Don't know anything about School!
Dale was at work already as they had to find him to break the news of his 2nd daughter and he broke down!

Lonny did not work she had not been back to work.

Kelly, Lonny, and baby was the only ones there!!!

[CvilleMom]

but maybe his sister, or another friend? Whomever Dancer Girl was she hasnt signed on since 10/9 that day of james arrest.

who knows.

CvillCit singed on today but no posts since just after the arrest the other night.

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I have 11 pages to read.... WOW!!!! You guys are movin'!



This is the last post that I find from CvilleCit, and that was prior to the arrest, I just find it hard to believe that she is not here with us after the arrest. She seemed to always be right on top of things and wanted this so badly...Where are you, and are you okay?? That is my concern! :waitasec:

[Busylady]

No wonder this is so confusing

According to the report, Dale Stanley called 911 saying his 18-year-old daughter Kelly was in bed not breathing. An arriving officer said it appeared as if the teenager had been dead for quite some time. Toxicology tests ruled out drugs or alcohol as a cause of death.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21036577/

So who really made the 911 call? This is confusing enough without discrepencies in news paper articles.

[Indiana at Heart]

No wonder this is so confusing

According to the report, Dale Stanley called 911 saying his 18-year-old daughter Kelly was in bed not breathing. An arriving officer said it appeared as if the teenager had been dead for quite some time. Toxicology tests ruled out drugs or alcohol as a cause of death.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21036577/

So who really made the 911 call? This is confusing enough without discrepencies in news paper articles.



Lonny made the call not dale

[centervillejustice]

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I haven't seen any posts from bumblebug on PI since the arrest.

[CvilleMom]

I agree that it was most likely the officer or first responder on scene - they always have code numbers for each person on the FD or PD . .

For future reference . . .

http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html This has a listing of all the police scanner codes.

Probably just the officer number (ID)

Yes, cm4 is the officer ID CM is for "Centerville" Not really sure where the "M" fits in....but I hear it on the scanner all the time, that is how I determine Centerville calls from Richmond calls. My scanner sits on the computer desk near me and is on 24/7.

[Indiana at Heart]

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I haven't seen any posts from bumblebug on PI since the arrest.


Me either:waitasec:

[HAWG]

Where did you go Hawg? Haven't heard from you in a bit
Im here my daughter took the baby to the doc and she has a sore throat:sick: :sick: :sick: Im just sitting back kinda stund if you know what I mean. It is just so hard to believe that my family is this close to something like this.

[Taximom]

Whew, glad to see you are ok, Hawg.

[CvilleMom]

Okay, in the 911 transcript, it says this..........
Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Yet, if you go to the scanner codes page that was posted earlier and look at the code for 10-0, it says "caution" which doesn't make sense, I assumed that it meant "dead"
Police Scanner Codes (http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html)

[Laurapalmer]

I still can't figure why they let James go to Kansas for awhile after they questioned him the first time.
Also, I doubt he disguised himself as someone else. Look at his grammar
in his interviews. There is no way he could disguise himself.(sorry,mother used to be an English teacher)

[FormerRichmondRes]

Okay, in the 911 transcript, it says this..........
Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Yet, if you go to the scanner codes page that was posted earlier and look at the code for 10-0, it says "caution" which doesn't make sense, I assumed that it meant "dead"
Police Scanner Codes (http://www.radiolabs.com/police-codes.html)


A long time ago - I dated a fireman from Wayne county - and 10-0 does mean "dead." Maybe that page is wrong.

[FormerRichmondRes]

My apologies - here is an INDIANA code list . . .

http://ttfd.whitleynet.org/Frequencies/indiana_10_codes.htm

[Busylady]

The codes are different based on State.

http://ttfd.whitleynet.org/Frequencies/indiana_10_codes.htm

10-0 fatality

[HAWG]

I still can't figure why they let James go to Kansas for awhile after they questioned him the first time.
Also, I doubt he disguised himself as someone else. Look at his grammar
in his interviews. There is no way he could disguise himself.(sorry,mother used to be an English teacher)
Where did you get that he went to Kansas?????

[CvilleMom]

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I haven't seen any posts from bumblebug on PI since the arrest.


Actually, I have found two posts from BB on PI since the arrest, could be more, but I have found 2.......
here is the first...

bumblebug



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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=64004&sid=58310261e753ea70b8ad3c41ffd69472#64004)Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject: WebsleuthsIf someone would be so kind as to post this on websleuths I would certainly be grateful. I am still having problems getting on their site. There appears to be individuals there that are posting sensitive information that certainly should not be posted on a forum like this one or any other. This is especially true when it's medical information or information that could be considered confidential with respect to this case. I sure that those who hold professional licenses (medical, legal etc.) know this. If in fact the boyfriend has an already verified alibi for the second death, it is likely that you may be hurting other family members without any cause to do so. If you were an innocent family member how would you feel about it. Enough said... I hope. One thing for sure, no matter who did this, these forums are virtually guaranteeing three things. 1. a change of venue 2. lots of reasonable doubt 3. plenty of scenarios to be investigated.

And the second......
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http://forums.pal-item.com/templates/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif (http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?p=64022&sid=58310261e753ea70b8ad3c41ffd69472#64022)Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:38 pm Post subject: the arrestFor those of us who knew James we are of course saddened by today's event. Nonetheless, I believe I would rather his future be handled in the courts than in the minds of those who had already decided his guilt. I also hope this puts an end to all the wild speculations and to all the finger pointing. In all, over the past few weeks, I have read more speculation about this case than I ever wanted to. I can only hope that common sense will prevail and that a fair and just resolution to this case will follow. I ask all to pray for the families of those effected by this tragedy and especially for Alexis.

[notfaraway]

This was posted earlier, I think this was posted by family.notice my highlites.Aunt?,uncle?,mom?,dad?


Don't know if any of you saw this post over at PI yet, I wonder who this poster is????


http://forums.pal-item.com/viewtopic.php?t=11311&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30


britbrat0234


Look, I KNEW HE DID IT FROM THE GET GO. It is about time they got him, duh you cant just lay in bed next to someone while they are being strangled and not feel it....god that is stupid. I knew he did it and now there is finally justice for Erin, and I KNOW HE KILLED KELLY i know he did...why wouldnt he? She was helping the cops....why wouldnt he? There will be justice for both of my girls. I love you both girls....there will be justice, he did it, hes going to pay and everyone is here for Alexis Erin...you girls rest is peace babies....rest in peace

[CvilleMom]

My apologies - here is an INDIANA code list . . .

http://ttfd.whitleynet.org/Frequencies/indiana_10_codes.htm

LOL....Thank You!! I knew what it had to have meant based on the situation, but it didn't make any sense to me.

[Taximom]

Oh yeah, those posts! Thanks Cville Mom. :blowkiss:

[CvilleMom]

Oh yeah, those posts! Thanks Cville Mom. :blowkiss:

You are quite welcome, I try my best! haha

[Indiana at Heart]

I still can't figure why they let James go to Kansas for awhile after they questioned him the first time.
Also, I doubt he disguised himself as someone else. Look at his grammar
in his interviews. There is no way he could disguise himself.(sorry,mother used to be an English teacher)



We don't know for a fact he went to Kansas. If the LE was looking at him from the start I beleive they told him "NOT" to leave town

[greeneyz]

We don't know for a fact he went to Kansas. If the LE was looking at him from the start I beleive they told him "NOT" to leave town

I read somewhere that he had left but was asked to return and he did...trying to find a link to it "somewhere" I have read so much on this I have no idea where I read what

[HAWG]

Thanks because we have other kids also!!!!!

[Indiana at Heart]

I read somewhere that he had left but was asked to return and he did...trying to find a link to it "somewhere" I have read so much on this I have no idea where I read what



It was posted here or the PI but it's not a fact.

Facts is all I care to know now!! meds kicking my butt and type slow and that make me mad!! my kids call me one armed Momma now!!! Dang BratsI could :slap: them

[greeneyz]

Ok I found where I read it at...was hearsay but I wonder if it was in fact true?



http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1700708&highlight=James+Kansas#post1700708


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Ok, I asked my mother again about what she heard about James.
(I forgot her source,but she usually is pretty reliable and not a gossip)
She said James was questioned and then went to Kansas. Then,
after it was decided homicide was involved,he was told to return and he did.

[gooniequeen]

Total speculation...but what IF CvillCit was someone in the home with James....(where he was staying) 3:21pm is about 40 minutes before he was arrested. Is it possible they took the computer there as evidence?

My guess is CvilleCit will reappear, but in the meantime I suppose we're free to speculate.

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I have 11 pages to read.... WOW!!!! You guys are movin'!



This is the last post that I find from CvilleCit, and that was prior to the arrest, I just find it hard to believe that she is not here with us after the arrest. She seemed to always be right on top of things and wanted this so badly...Where are you, and are you okay?? That is my concern! :waitasec:

[Littledeer]

Just some thoughts after reading some of these posts! You guys moved fast today! I'm assuming we are of same mind that Erin was killed by James as also the LE as that is what he has been charged with.

So the following would be for Kelly only:

Window: Could it have possibly been cut out at a time when no one was home by someone, thus making it easier for someone to climb in with far less noise? This could only mean the bottom part cut so all one had to do was lift up the screen? What was the weather like that night? Has anyone checked on that?

Officer stating "same fashion": Probably just meant that a female was in bed and dead. Just like her sister 6 days before. Or, was the bed also wet indicating that Kelly has also let loose her bowels?

Have we determined that James through anyone had a verifiable alibi for the period prior to Lonny/Dale finding Kelly?

Got more, but need to catch up with more reading!!

P.S. SS: glad your home! Get well fast hon!

Thanks all you sleuthers for keeping up and HAWG, hope your sleeping better and hope your grandchild gets well soon! I have your family in my prayers along with Baby Alexis and the family.

[Littledeer]

Indiana at Heart:

I didn't see anywhere what the results were of your hand?? Last I knew the swelling needed to go down??

Is it in a cast or what??

[HAWG]

Thanks, Im sure she will back to her self soon.

We have kids in Kansas and I really dont think he went anywhere but I will be asking them tonight!!!!!!

[imnotheonlyone]

Thanks, Im sure she will back to her self soon.

We have kids in Kansas and I really dont think he went anywhere but I will be asking them tonight!!!!!!

Did LE ever contact you following James' arrest Hawg?!?!

[HAWG]

NO they sure have not and I dought that they do until court time.

[Taximom]

NO they sure have not and I dought that they do until court time.

Have you considered writing everything down w/dates and times in case a trial doesn't come soon? I know I'd have to with my memory!!

[imnotheonlyone]

NO they sure have not and I dought that they do until court time.

Can I ask, Hawg, what your daughter is feeling? Is she shocked, or does this not come as a complete surprise to her (having known him)?

[Littledeer]

Good adivce Taxi for Hawg. Especially, since it most likely won't happen until January of 2008.

[HAWG]

I have most of it put down. this has nightmare so I have probley missed somethings but thats what lawyers are for to keep you straight?????HAHA

[Indiana at Heart]

Total speculation...but what IF CvillCit was someone in th