Arrest made in Erin Stanley case General Discussion #3

[Jeana (DP)]

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[Al_B]

here's an interesting report I found it's not Indiana but
http://marcpi.jhu.edu/marcpi/DVProtocols/TreatmentofStrangulationCasesforMedicalPractioners .pdf

[Busylady]

If they were sure Erin was murdered right from the start why did they need Kelly's help? The other thing that bothers me is how James got in the house and killed Kelly and nooooooo one heard a thing. If he got in earlier and was hiding out then him having a albi would be tough because it would be a big block of time he would have to have someone account for. Lonny wasnt back at work, Dale didnt leave for work until morning so when Kelly was killed, Lonny, Dale, Alexis and Kelly were all home. There are all kinds of rumors floating around about this case, did Kelly uncover something while trying to help the police that someone else didnt want to be known? Did Kelly have some kind of health condition, that with the stress, the devastation she must of felt for the loss of her sister, maybe taken something to help sleep at night (she was sleeping in the same room her sister had been killed in just days before) those all combined the health condition took her life? I honestly don't think LE has a clue how Kelly died at this point in time and therefore are doing more testing consulting more pathologist in order to get an answer. It also bothers me that if they knew Erin had been strangled, they told the family this the day befautopsy report ore Kelly was killed supposedly then why did it take a month longer for the final to give cause of death before LE could arrest James? Something doesnt seem right about that.

[FormerRichmondRes]

Carrying over from here:

Original Thread #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184)
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Original Thread #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53184)

Original Thread #3 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54099)

[URL="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54189"]Original Thread #4 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53752)

Original Thread #5 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54358)

Arrest Thread #1 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54576)

Arrest Thread #2 (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54770)

Stanley Case Timeline Calendar Sticky (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54837)

[Al_B]

Well, I just mark it up to being Indiana for somethings,and with something like murder I think you want to make sure a case is solid,and you can't just arrest someone just cause it looks like something ,it wouldn't hold up in court.
If she was sleeping in Erin's room who is to say he didn't unlock the window from when he lived there for whatever reasons and no one bothered to check because they assumed it was locked. Not high on my list of things to do when dealing with grief and loss, you assume your house is safe anyway.
Anything is possible at this point I guess with Kelly. But her case has been deemed as suspicious.

[FormerRichmondRes]

(she was sleeping in the same room her sister had been killed in just days before)

Is this just your theory? I have never heard anything about Kelly sleeping in Erin's room the night she died . . .

[Indy Gal]

CC was on last night but did not post.

[wayco]

I guess, my thought on the additional testing is this.........I would think that things such as sleeping pills, other common OTC drugs, prescription drugs and even street drugs and certain toxins and chemicals would be screened for in the average toxicology tests. This test came back clean.

Additional testing (for other substances) I would think to mean tests for more unusual substances. Substances not as common and maybe a little more difficult by their nature to detect. I don't know that much about this, but, what if there is a substance that someone could have used to "silence or somewhat sedate" the girls before strangling them. If that's possible and if it could be detected and proven with further research...........this information would shed a whole new light and would be very meaningful to the entire investigation.

When I read that the pathologist was consulting with other pathologists around the state........my thought was........that this guy may see something a little unusual and he may not quite know what to make of it. Maybe something uncommon and he's wanting the opinions of some other colleagues. Just my opinion.

[Al_B]

Centerville seems kinda small townish to me,not an insult.
I grew up in Jonsboro here in Indiana and I can honestly say I seldom worried about locking the doors and I can honestly say even after moving to Shelbyville still a problem.Since moving back to this area it's been better but can't always say yeah my door is locked. I have a daughter that comes in late from work sometimes and I don't know if she locks it unless I happen to get up and check no one else seems to worried about though.
sorry if this was off topic I just know things are different in smaller towns

[joyfulmorning]

CC was on last night but did not post.

Ok, Thanks. As long as she is ok. :angel: I have been reading up on the heart conditions that you posted a while back. Pretty interesting stuff there. I would think that it should show up on an autopsy, but you never know. Her heart could have went into some kind of funky rhythm or something.

[joyfulmorning]

Centerville seems kinda small townish to me,not an insult.
I grew up in Jonsboro here in Indiana and I can honestly say I seldom worried about locking the doors and I can honestly say even after moving to Shelbyville still a problem.Since moving back to this area it's been better but can't always say yeah my door is locked. I have a daughter that comes in late from work sometimes and I don't know if she locks it unless I happen to get up and check no one else seems to worried about though.
sorry if this was off topic I just know things are different in smaller towns
No insult taken. LOL Centerville is a very small town. It really is a lovely place, lots of history and antiques. :angel:

[joyfulmorning]

Where is everyone today? I guess I will check in later.

[Indy Gal]

Brought this over.

From my link from CTV

"It is not new, but it is finalized in a report," Shipman told WSBT.com. "Having the pathologist's report is very critical to this investigation."( IMO they knew COD on erin right from the start)

Shipman would not comment on whether McFarland is also considered a suspect in her death, which police have labeled as "suspicious."
http://dying.about.com/od/glossary/g/suspicious.htm

Definition:
A death is labeled suspicious:
When a crime is involved
Some cases when an accident has occurred
When the death escapes a medical prognosis
When a person dies die unexpectedly under medical care
When they die because of trauma in a medical settingStill from CTV LInk
"The pathologist has not determined the second death as a homicide," Shipman told the Associated Press. "And until the pathologist determines it to be a homicide, I am unwilling to name anyone in that particular investigation."
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[Indiana at Heart]

Is this just your theory? I have never heard anything about Kelly sleeping in Erin's room the night she died . . .



Me either! I don't see her sleeping in her dead sister bedroom!!

[imnotheonlyone]

I don't believe that "additional test results" are what LE is waiting on here - I believe that they are actually handling this case incredibly well in that they ARE keeping it so tight lipped and hopefully in doing so are preparing a slam-dunk prosecution. I believe that James will talk - I do...he's young, does not appear to be well educated (from his few statements made), and.... if they offer some sort of plea deal that appeals to him, I believe he will break..... I think that LE has some substantiating evidence, but are holding out to seal the deal.

[joyfulmorning]

[quote=Indy Gal;1732745]Brought this over.

From my link from CTV

"It is not new, but it is finalized in a report," Shipman told WSBT.com. "Having the pathologist's report is very critical to this investigation."( IMO they knew COD on erin right from the start)

Good info IndyGal

[joyfulmorning]

I don't believe that "additional test results" are what LE is waiting on here - I believe that they are actually handling this case incredibly well in that they ARE keeping it so tight lipped and hopefully in doing so are preparing a slam-dunk prosecution. I believe that James will talk - I do...he's young, does not appear to be well educated (from his few statements made), and.... if they offer some sort of plea deal that appeals to him, I believe he will break..... I think that LE has some substantiating evidence, but are holding out to seal the deal.
I agree that this is very possible. I think that once the reality sits in that he is going away for a really long time he is going to spill everything he knows in order to cut himself a deal. I wouldn't be suprised if eventually he starts talking about the crimes to his cellmates, etc. I don't think that we have heard the last from ol' James. ;)

[joyfulmorning]

Me either! I don't see her sleeping in her dead sister bedroom!!
Me either, that just sounds way to creepy.

[HAWG]

I don't believe that "additional test results" are what LE is waiting on here - I believe that they are actually handling this case incredibly well in that they ARE keeping it so tight lipped and hopefully in doing so are preparing a slam-dunk prosecution. I believe that James will talk - I do...he's young, does not appear to be well educated (from his few statements made), and.... if they offer some sort of plea deal that appeals to him, I believe he will break..... I think that LE has some substantiating evidence, but are holding out to seal the deal.
This is exactlly what Im thinking because they dont want another OJ !!!!!
I dont think he will talk he will say he is inocent util the end, but as far as a plea he is still going to spend a very long time in jail??????

[joyfulmorning]

This is exactlly what Im thinking because they dont want another OJ !!!!!
I dont think he will talk he will say he is inocent util the end, but as far as a plea he is still going to spend a very long time in jail??????
That's true. Either way he is still going to jail for a very long time.

[Indiana at Heart]

I've been thinking. I hope they talked to the people James has been staying with and was with the night Kelly died. I hope the search that home and other places James has been since both deaths.

Also Dancer girl do you know if Kelly was still in High School or was she going off to collage? If it's collage was she to start the morning she was found?

[HAWG]

That's true. Either way he is still going to jail for a very long time.
LOL I guess we can forget about ever receiving any child support not that we would have anyway!!!! She is just fine without it if I have to work three jobs!!!!!!! If ya know what I mean???

[imnotheonlyone]

LOL I guess we can forget about ever receiving any child support not that we would have anyway!!!! She is just fine without it if I have to work three jobs!!!!!!! If ya know what I mean???

Incarceration alone does not "exempt" James from owing child support....

[joyfulmorning]

I've been thinking. I hope they talked to the people James has been staying with and was with the night Kelly died. I hope the search that home and other places James has been since both deaths.

Also Dancer girl do you know if Kelly was still in High School or was she going off to collage? If it's collage was she to start the morning she was found?
I believe Kelly was in her first semester of college. I am not sure which college. Ivy Tech started Aug 18th ans Indiana University East started the following week. I remember a PI article interviewing a friend named Courtney that had passed her going to classes at the college. I can not find the article now on PI.

[Al_B]

are they making this a death penalty case?

[comfort80]

Incarceration alone does not "exempt" James from owing child support....
If he's in GP- he may be able to have a job while incarcerated, although they only pay very little, the courts might take it to provide for his girls... Its not like he has to support himself while in there...

[HAWG]

Incarceration alone does not "exempt" James from owing child support....
Nice to know because I had know ideal of how that works but how can he pay anything from in there??????

[joyfulmorning]

LOL I guess we can forget about ever receiving any child support not that we would have anyway!!!! She is just fine without it if I have to work three jobs!!!!!!! If ya know what I mean???
I hear making license plates doesn't pay too well anyway. LOL :D

[Indiana at Heart]

They work Jobs in Jail

[imnotheonlyone]

are they making this a death penalty case?

Way too early to know

[Indiana at Heart]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I hear making license plates doesn't pay too well anyway. LOL :D

[HAWG]

THANKS! I will pass that info to my daughter.

[imnotheonlyone]

Nice to know because I had know ideal of how that works but how can he pay anything from in there??????

He's young - and..... I PRAY that I am wrong - I hope he spends the rest of his life in prison - but.... with the system today, that is not likely. As long as there is a child support order in place now, (yes he can have it "modified," but will he?) that back support will accumulate until it's paid. Some day, chances are, he will make an earned income and .... it will be paid (or, at a minimum, paid ON - towards).

[HAWG]

LOL!!!! Maybe he can keep a job in jail?????? It is good to LOL with you guys!!!!! THANKS! I needed that!!!!!

[imnotheonlyone]

LOL!!!! Maybe he can keep a job in jail?????? It is good to LOL with you guys!!!!! THANKS! I needed that!!!!!

And we're SO happy to have you here with us! :D

[Indiana at Heart]

LOL!!!! Maybe he can keep a job in jail?????? It is good to LOL with you guys!!!!! THANKS! I needed that!!!!!



Glad we can make you Laugh Hawg. It's been a rough few weeks for your family

[joyfulmorning]

Glad to have you here HAWG!

[ucka]

I still want to know who the friends are that James was staying with. Just to hear what they have to say, or to see if they are his alibi the night Kelly died.

PI posted the address where he was staying, I did a reverse listing and found the owner, it's a 49 year old man so I assume it's somebodies parents?

Then from their I searched the name, the owner of the home shares the same name as a teacher or faculty member at a local college.

Didn't Bumblebee say he was a teacher?

This is all speculation of course, but I still think interviewing who he was staying with is pretty crucial. I'm sure LE is on that, I just can't wait to see what they have to say.

[HAWG]

I dont know what I would have done without you guys!!!!!! THANKS AGIAN!!! You have been a big help to me and my daughter!!!!!!

[joyfulmorning]

I still want to know who the friends are that James was staying with. Just to hear what they have to say, or to see if they are his alibi the night Kelly died.

PI posted the address where he was staying, I did a reverse listing and found the owner, it's a 49 year old man so I assume it's somebodies parents?

Then from their I searched the name, the owner of the home shares the same name as a teacher or faculty member at a local college.

Didn't Bumblebee say he was a teacher?

This is all speculation of course, but I still think interviewing who he was staying with is pretty crucial. I'm sure LE is on that, I just can't wait to see what they have to say.
Good sluething Ucka! I would be curious to know what James' mood was like the night Kelly died? I would like to know more about his alibi. It looks like someone would step up and say, "Look y'all, he was with me." That is, unless he really doesn't have one. :confused:

[joyfulmorning]

Help me out guys. Refresh my memory. Tell me again who is Bumblebee? I know that it is a poster from the Pal Item, but do we know how they are connected to James?

[gooniequeen]

Help me out guys. Refresh my memory. Tell me again who is Bumblebee? I know that it is a poster from the Pal Item, but do we know how they are connected to James?

Yes BB says he/she is aquainted with James. Not sure how, but i will say BB has always seemed forthright and level headed in their remarks. It is possible that BB truly believes that James is innocent. And of course he is until proven guilty (though I think he's guilty as sin!)

If you want to read up on BB you'll have to go check out the Forums at PI.

BB if you can read this - have you contacted the admin. at WS to be able to gain access yet? We really need some persepctive from James' camp.

[joyfulmorning]

Thanks Gooniequeen! :)

[Taximom]

I don't think Bumblebug wants to be here. It's really not that difficult to register here, and there is plenty of information available on the registration emails about how to contact admin here if they need addt'l help to start posting here.

It's too bad because I'd really love to hear from someone on James' side.

Do we know if James had a cell phone and what part that might play in locating him the night/morning of Kelly's death?

[norcalgirl03]

In regards to the comment that was made stating that Kelly was sleeping in Erin's bedroom the night she died: Why would LE then cut out the window in Kelly's bedroom? I'm not discounting what has been said, but just curious if she was in fact in Erin's bedroom why would the window in her room be cut out?

[HAWG]

He always called from Erins or Kellys I dont think he has one.

[imnotheonlyone]

I don't think Bumblebug wants to be here. It's really not that difficult to register here, and there is plenty of information available on the registration emails about how to contact admin here if they need addt'l help to start posting here.

It's too bad because I'd really love to hear from someone on James' side.

Do we know if James had a cell phone and what part that might play in locating him the night/morning of Kelly's death?

This reminds me....I'd really like to know more about the significance of Kelly's phone ringing beside her the morning she was found dead....that was mentioned for a reason - what does anyone make of this?

[Wrinkles]

Hello Gang,

Couple thoughts:

A few of us have brought up Rigor Mortis in terms of both Erin and Kelly's deaths. I think that this will be an important discussion in trial.

Al_B mentioned "Cadaveric spasm." Thank you Al_B (BRILLIANT!) that was very interesting and may be something we learn more about in a trial later (if anyone can go watch and report!)

Al_B's note:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1731939&postcount=272
Webpage referenced: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadaveric_spasm

Let's hope that whoever will be PROSECUTING THIS CASE doesn't miss the thought on: CADAVERIC SPASM (if a prosecutor is reading, please read up on this topic, hope your "expert" knows this topic too!)

Now then a few thoughts on Erin:

Seems there was a "midnight to 4:45AM or 5:00AM" time window in which she might have been killed. During the 911 call Lonny mentioned "she's trying" (to breath) which would make it seem that her attempted (and successful) murdered occurred just prior to her being found (towards 5AM).

From Samiya's transcription of the 911 call:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1689954&postcount=417

>>
Mother. My daughter, she’s unresponsive. Her eyes are half way open. She’s blue.
911. Is she breathing?
Mother. I don’t know. Is she breathing dad?
(Dad in background) Yep, she’s trying.
Mother. She’s trying
<<

THEN this IMPORTANT note:
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/LOCAL/710110470/-1/LOCAL17

>>The police officer, who was the first to arrive, noted that Stanley's eyes were shut, her teeth were clenched and her lips were blue and that she was not breathing, according to the document filed Wednesday.<<

So, within a few minutes we go from eyes half open to shut. Did she have a pulse I wonder? AND...were here teeth clenched when Lonny attempted to give her "a few puffs?" If so, the reasonable way to give those puffs would be through the nose. Oh poor mommy Lonny :(

From Samiya's transcription:
>>Mother. Yeah I turned her on her side because she sounds like she’s got, you know, mucous in her throat and I tried to give her a couple puffs of air. But it, like I said, it sounds like mucous in the throat and she just...<<

Now that I think about it, re-reading, what was mom trying to say about "she just..." Poor Lonny, so entirely heart breaking :(

SO... It appears that Erin's life was threatened/moved upon not long before the 911, unless her eyes were opening and closing post-mortem and she really didn't have air, really wasn't breathing, but this was just all a "hopeful."

IF Erin's life was on the edge and fading just prior to the 911, the Cadaveric Spasm as a reason for the clenched teeth is very interesting due to that which is noted as "emotion" involved. More research to connect Cadaveric Spasm and clenched teeth with strangulation might be needed.

A few thoughts on Kelly:

Rigor mortis, possible pooling of blood on the under side of her body. WHAT did this indicate in terms of her time of death? Were these signs present?

W

[imnotheonlyone]

He always called from Erins or Kellys I dont think he has one.

So..... he did have contact with his daughter? On a regular basis?

[gooniequeen]

This reminds me....I'd really like to know more about the significance of Kelly's phone ringing beside her the morning she was found dead....that was mentioned for a reason - what does anyone make of this?

i asked this same question a while back. Seems so weird that they mentioned it. But with this case, who knows, could literally mean nothing.

[Taximom]

In regards to the comment that was made stating that Kelly was sleeping in Erin's bedroom the night she died: Why would LE then cut out the window in Kelly's bedroom? I'm not discounting what has been said, but just curious if she was in fact in Erin's bedroom why would the window in her room be cut out?

More guessing here, but if she did sleep in Erin's room it may have been because Alexis was still in there? I would have moved her out of that room myself, but who knows what their circumstances were with a crib etc.

If Kelly was in Erin's room, maybe that's why James used Kelly's window to enter and nobody heard. IF that's what happened at all! Just more guessing. :slap:

[Taximom]

He always called from Erins or Kellys I dont think he has one.

Thanks, HAWG. He may be the first young man in his 20's I know that doesn't have a cell phone!

[HAWG]

So..... he did have contact with his daughter? On a regular basis?
No not really he would call just to give my daughter excuses and more lies about the chid support.

[imnotheonlyone]

No not really he would call just to give my daughter excuses and more lies about the chid support.


Does your granddaughter know him?

[Wrinkles]

About the window...

Perhaps the window was a "way out" and not a "way in." There is anecdotal/hearsay info that James had keys to the house, although that info is shaky (I think I saw it on PI).

Lets say 1) James had keys or 2) the house was unlocked. Perhaps James made his way into the home while no family members were there, and laid in wait for Kelly. Now thats a little hard to figure if the dog was in and out of the house, one might have hoped the dog would have sniffed him out, but who knows. IF James killed Kelly after laying in wait, he would then only need a way out of the house.

It seems to me that my recall of that window would have made it far easier to "leave" than try to enter.

W

[finally]

Newbie here. Been reading most of posts but unable to join in until now. Had lots of ideas, but you guys are so good, you addressed them before I could get registered.

Anyway, I'll add my two cents when I have a thought. Here's one now. The 20 year old without a cell phone -- when you don't have a job, how do you make payments? Even the go phones need a card purchased to use, so that might explain why he was borrowing phones.

[Taximom]

My ex only started paying child support when he was facing jail time, and it took about 11 yrs to get to that point. I'm sorry your daughter and granddaughter didn't have that helpful support, but they all sound strong like you.

[gooniequeen]

If I recall someone here has a subscription to POPDOX? If so can you get some details on the following case #'s:

89C01-0709-MC-048
89C01-0709-MC-044
89C01-0709-MC-047

These are for a search warrants executed by Shipman since Erin's death - wonder if any of them are related to this case. At least 1 must be.

[gooniequeen]

I'm with you on the "lay and wait" theory..but I still think that based on the way that screen wondow frame seemed bent that he pryed it open to get in.

My only hestiation is that according to the pictures I've seen the house is a corner lot and that side of the house with the window is completely exposed. so again the whole thing would just be totally brazen of James to do unless it was under the cover of night.


About the window...

Perhaps the window was a "way out" and not a "way in." There is anecdotal/hearsay info that James had keys to the house, although that info is shaky (I think I saw it on PI).

Lets say 1) James had keys or 2) the house was unlocked. Perhaps James made his way into the home while no family members were there, and laid in wait for Kelly. Now thats a little hard to figure if the dog was in and out of the house, one might have hoped the dog would have sniffed him out, but who knows. IF James killed Kelly after laying in wait, he would then only need a way out of the house.

It seems to me that my recall of that window would have made it far easier to "leave" than try to enter.

W

[Indy Gal]

I have bolded my comments so no confusion hopefully.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1007/1101_stanley_sisters1.html

"The pathologist has not determined the second death as a homicide," Shipman told the Associated Press. "And until the pathologist determines it to be a homicide, I am unwilling to name anyone in that particular investigation."(IMO if this was a homice they would have said this already seeing how they knew Erins was and we didnt have this kind of problem with Erins autopsy. I feel we were not told only so they could nail James with evidence.)

According to police, Kelly was already dead when they arrived on the scene. Unlike Erin's death, police did not hesitate to label her sister's as suspicious.(IMO they labled it susp. because there was another murder in the same house 6 days earlier. FOR intance say someone would have had a heart attack, IMO they would have said it was susp. because of prior death in house)


"It is kind of strange circumstances that you find two deaths in the same home within just a few days of each other," State Police Sgt. Noel Houze told TheIndyChannel.com( this is why IMO they have labled hers as susp.)

According to Shipman, the results of Kelly's autopsy were inconclusive. The pathologist has asked for additional toxicology analysis, and he has formally requested to examine photographs of Kelly's bedroom.
"Requesting the photographs is very common," Shipman told Indystar.com. "The additional testing means that he is testing for something different than what was originally tested for."( IMO they dont know what killed her. IMO I would think if it was murder they would have some type of clue, not always the case though. Also they could be testing all kinds of thimgs, not just for drugs and such.)

[imnotheonlyone]

If I recall someone here has a subscription to POPDOX? If so can you get some details on the following case #'s:

89C01-0709-MC-048
89C01-0709-MC-044
89C01-0709-MC-047

These are for a search warrants executed by Shipman since Erin's death - wonder if any of them are related to this case. At least 1 must be.

Good sleuthin' - let us know if anyone finds some info on these :clap:

[deb2007]

No not really he would call just to give my daughter excuses and more lies about the chid support.

Sounds so much like my ex husband. Always an excuse.:banghead:

[Indy Gal]

About the window, It could have been anything we just dont know. It could have been blood, broken, hair, or some think broke into. I believe it was blood or a hand/fingerprint on there. But it could have be bronken into. Has anyone seen a case where they take the whole window for a break in? Not agruing just asking as I myself have not seen this done.

[Need to know]

Wrinkles wrote:

Perhaps the window was a "way out" and not a "way in." There is anecdotal/hearsay info that James had keys to the house, although that info is shaky (I think I saw it on PI).

I agree. Approximately 3 weeks ago LE stayed outside in front of the home while the locks were changed. This was not done to keep the Stanleys out because I have seen them return for short periods since the lock changing and they did not have LE with them.

[Need to know]

I observed the lock changing......anytime there is any activity there now I am compelled to watch. I feel like an interloper. But I can't seem to help it.

[imnotheonlyone]

Wrinkles wrote:

Perhaps the window was a "way out" and not a "way in." There is anecdotal/hearsay info that James had keys to the house, although that info is shaky (I think I saw it on PI).

I agree. Approximately 3 weeks ago LE stayed outside in front of the home while the locks were changed. This was not done to keep the Stanleys out because I have seen them return for short periods since the lock changing and they did not have LE with them.

Where did this information come from?

[HAWG]

Does your granddaughter know him?
NO I dont think she would even recognize him if she did see him.

[gooniequeen]

I observed the lock changing......anytime there is any activity there now I am compelled to watch. I feel like an interloper. But I can't seem to help it.

Hey NTK glad to see you around! So were these locks changed before or after Kelly's death?

[Wrinkles]

Taximom,

Quick note on your question from the other thread...

You wrote:
>>Can't these heart issues be seen during the autopsy? I really don't know, just asking.<<

1. Some "suspicious" physical anomalies can be seen by merely cutting the heart open and examining it: damaged or malformed valves, vessels that are crimped/pinched/blocked, holes or flaps in between chambers, trabeculae, scarring/fat/fibrosis in the heart wall, etc.)

2. With some SD (sudden death) issues, it is a real "hunt" and matter of slicing heart material (slice after slice with good equipment and from varying notable places) to be reviewed under the microscope. At that point the pathologist must "know" (and this can be a real problem) what things like Sarcoidosis of the heart might look like (granules), or fat/fibrosis that is not "immediately" visible or scarring from a former myocarditis at some point... Any of the latter can disrupt the electric flow of the heart in a dangerous and deadly way.

3. With some SD issues, like channelopathies, there may be no apparent visible signs and genetics might have to be pursued. Unfortunately, genetics is tough and does not yet have all the answers. IF a "known" genetic is found, then you are on a recognizable path. HOWEVER, not all of the genetic mutations for the channelopathies and SD cardiomyopathies have been found. SO if a genetic mutation is not found, it might only mean that it is there, but no scientist has ever recognized and described it. i.e. a positive is a positive, but a negative is not necessarily a negative.

Hope the above helps in some way.

W

[Need to know]

Hi Goonie the locks were changed after kellys death.

[Busylady]

I don't have time to go back and search all the threads, but it was said that Erin was sleeping in Kellys room the night she was killed. At that time people were thinking possibility was that whoever killed Erin was really targeting Kelly and didnt realize Erin was sleeping in Kellys room. That of course was before the arrest of James.

Is this just your theory? I have never heard anything about Kelly sleeping in Erin's room the night she died . . .

[gooniequeen]

Hi Goonie the locks were changed after kellys death.

hmmmmm, perhaps this is customary for LE to do this to secure a crime scene? We know the Stanley's are not staying there so I dont see why else they would do it.

[gooniequeen]

I don't have time to go back and search all the threads, but it was said that Erin was sleeping in Kellys room the night she was killed. At that time people were thinking possibility was that whoever killed Erin was really targeting Kelly and didnt realize Erin was sleeping in Kellys room. That of course was before the arrest of James.

wow I do not remember seeing that. Hopefully someone can find it and paste. I do recall the mistaken identity theory but not that Erin was in Kelly's bed when this happened.

[FormerRichmondRes]

I don't have time to go back and search all the threads, but it was said that Erin was sleeping in Kellys room the night she was killed. At that time people were thinking possibility was that whoever killed Erin was really targeting Kelly and didnt realize Erin was sleeping in Kellys room. That of course was before the arrest of James.

I remember us discussing this as a theory several threads ago - but I don't think we've ever determined this as fact. That is why I was asking - I didn't know if you were presenting a theory of IF Kelly was sleeping in Erin's room . . .

However, if someone can find the link where this was stated as fact, I stand corrected!! :blowkiss:

[joyfulmorning]

hmmmmm, perhaps this is customary for LE to do this to secure a crime scene? We know the Stanley's are not staying there so I dont see why else they would do it.
Maybe the perp had a key?

[Busylady]

It was my understanding that Erin died in Kellys bedroom. I will try and look for the post with that information in it.

In regards to the comment that was made stating that Kelly was sleeping in Erin's bedroom the night she died: Why would LE then cut out the window in Kelly's bedroom? I'm not discounting what has been said, but just curious if she was in fact in Erin's bedroom why would the window in her room be cut out?

[joyfulmorning]

I remember us discussing this as a theory several threads ago - but I don't think we've ever determined this as fact. That is why I was asking - I didn't know if you were presenting a theory of IF Kelly was sleeping in Erin's room . . .

However, if someone can find the link where this was stated as fact, I stand corrected!! :blowkiss:
I believe that you are correct. I don't think that this Erin sleeping in Kelly's room has been determined a fact.

[gooniequeen]

NTK is a neighbor of the Stanley's - they observed the locks being changed on the Stanley home.

Wrinkles wrote:

Perhaps the window was a "way out" and not a "way in." There is anecdotal/hearsay info that James had keys to the house, although that info is shaky (I think I saw it on PI).

I agree. Approximately 3 weeks ago LE stayed outside in front of the home while the locks were changed. This was not done to keep the Stanleys out because I have seen them return for short periods since the lock changing and they did not have LE with them.

Where did this information come from?

[joyfulmorning]

NTK is a neighbor of the Stanley's - they observed the locks being changed on the Stanley home.
It makes sense that they would be concerned that James might have had a key. Maybe he took Erin's or maybe made a copy without anyone knowing. If someone was murdered in my home, you better believe that I would change the locks!!!!!!:)

[joyfulmorning]

Does anybody have any info on how Mr. and Mrs. Stanley are doing at this point? I haven't heard anything for awhile.

[Need to know]

James had lived there a couple of different times during Erins pregnancy. I suppose it would not be unreasonable to think he had a key.

[Taximom]

About the window...

Perhaps the window was a "way out" and not a "way in." There is anecdotal/hearsay info that James had keys to the house, although that info is shaky (I think I saw it on PI).

Lets say 1) James had keys or 2) the house was unlocked. Perhaps James made his way into the home while no family members were there, and laid in wait for Kelly. Now thats a little hard to figure if the dog was in and out of the house, one might have hoped the dog would have sniffed him out, but who knows. IF James killed Kelly after laying in wait, he would then only need a way out of the house.

It seems to me that my recall of that window would have made it far easier to "leave" than try to enter.

W

I'm thinking the Stanleys knew Erin was murdered and would have locked their doors and windows. IMO Did you see the picture of the window that came from media video of the home after Kelly's death? It's around here somewhere, but it showed signs of tampering on the outside to me. Some have said that maybe it was like that before, but if it were there would be no reason to take it out. IMO anyway.

I also don't think James would have had a key because Dale definitely didn't want him around. He could have stolen a key though.

[Indy Gal]

~~~~~~Facts as given by LE~~~~~~

1. Erin Stanley died from being strangled
2. There was brusing around her neck
3. She was wearing sweatpants at time mom came into room
4. Mom had noticed she had urinated in the bed.
5. Teeth were clinched
6. Mom calls 911 to report and state James found her this way
7. Le has said Kelly was helping in investigation
8. James was POI from start per LE
9. COD was known from start per LE
10. Kelly was found dead by her mother just six days later
11. Kelly had been dead for some time( how long ??)
12. Mom called 911 but call was not recorded
13. Kelly's bedroom window was removed from House( not from LE but we can all see it is gone and it was there before Kelly died)
14. Kelly's first autopsy came back inconclusive
15. They are doing more test in Kelly's autopsy.
16. James Mcfarland has been arrested on murder for the death of Erin Stanley.

I may have forgot some please add if so.

here are all the links I used.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/LOCAL/710110470/-1/LOCAL17
http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1007/1101_stanley_sisters1.html

[Taximom]

Hi Goonie the locks were changed after kellys death.


Interesting, so maybe they figured he had a key at this point....

[Indy Gal]

Trying to determine how long Kelly could have been dead before mom found her.

http://bprd.nic.in/writereaddata/linkimages/93432152969.pdf

Early signs: Early signs denote molecular or cellular death and include : cooling of the body,
changes in the eye; changes in the skin; post-mortem lividity and changes in the muscles. The
progressive fall in temperature is one of the most prominent early signs of death, the amount of
cooling indicating the approximate time since death. Soon after death, glistening property of the
cornea is lost, it becomes dry, cloudy and opaque. The pupils dilate, the eyeballs become flaccid.
After death, the skin becomes pale, looses its translucency and elasticity. Discoloration or staining
of the skin and organs, known as post-mortem lividity occurs in the dead body due to accumulation
of fluid blood in the dependent parts of the body ( Photo-5). The process commences within an hour
after death and fully developed and fixed in about 6-12 hours. Post-mortem lividity is very important
in medico-legal cases. It is a reliable sign of death, it gives information about the position of the body
at the time of death and any disturbance caused in the dead body as usually happens in homicidal
cases. It also helps to estimate the time since death.

ETA
rigormortis commences in 1-2 hours after death, takes about
12 hours to develop from head to foot, persists for another 12 hours,
and takes 12 hours to pass off.

[gooniequeen]

~~~~~~Facts as given by LE~~~~~~

1. Erin Stanley died from being strangled
2. There was brusing around her neck
3. She was wearing sweatpants at time mom came into room
4. Mom had noticed she had urinated in the bed.
5. Teeth were clinched
6. Mom calls 911 to report and state James found her this way
7. Le has said Kelly was helping in investigation
8. James was POI from start per LE
9. COD was known from start per LE
10. Kelly was found dead by her mother just six days later
11. Kelly had been dead for some time( how long ??)
12. Mom called 911 but call was not recorded
13. Kelly's bedroom window was removed from House( not from LE but we can all see it is gone and it was there before Kelly died)
14. Kelly's first autopsy came back inconclusive
15. They are doing more test in Kelly's autopsy.
16. James Mcfarland has been arrested on murder 2 for the death of Erin Stanley.

I may have forgot some please add if so.

13 - We do have confirmation from Shipman that window was removed and this was "standard procedure"

16 - Can someone show me where it says that the charge is Murder 2 - I missed that.

Thanks :)

[Taximom]

~~~~~~Facts as given by LE~~~~~~

1. Erin Stanley died from being strangled
2. There was brusing around her neck
3. She was wearing sweatpants at time mom came into room
4. Mom had noticed she had urinated in the bed.
5. Teeth were clinched
6. Mom calls 911 to report and state James found her this way
7. Le has said Kelly was helping in investigation
8. James was POI from start per LE
9. COD was known from start per LE
10. Kelly was found dead by her mother just six days later
11. Kelly had been dead for some time( how long ??)
12. Mom called 911 but call was not recorded
13. Kelly's bedroom window was removed from House( not from LE but we can all see it is gone and it was there before Kelly died)
14. Kelly's first autopsy came back inconclusive
15. They are doing more test in Kelly's autopsy.
16. James Mcfarland has been arrested on murder 2 for the death of Erin Stanley.

I may have forgot some please add if so.

I have facts for Erin on the calendar, but not for Kelly's death. If you want to post anything (links too?) on the timeline thread I can update it later!

[Busylady]

Ok lets throw out the Erin was sleeping in Kellys bedroom, I cant find the post and there are way too many threads to go to - so lets chalk that one up to rumor also sorry guys.

[Indy Gal]

I have facts for Erin on the calendar, but not for Kelly's death. If you want to post anything (links too?) on the timeline thread I can update it later!
If ya want to help me read through all this and look for those links later let me know...LOL I will try and find the links although I am sure that most will be in one place. What timeline thread?

[gooniequeen]

Interesting, so maybe they figured he had a key at this point....

Perhaps but who were they protecting? No one was in the house after Kelly died. Seems like a little too late to be worrying about keeping the residents safe.

[Indiana at Heart]

Perhaps but who were they protecting? No one was in the house after Kelly died. Seems like a little too late to be worrying about keeping the residents safe.


So he couldn't sneak back in and mess with the house or anything in that house!:banghead:

[Busylady]

Could be they wanted to secure the scene? A little late in my opinion, but maybe they didnt want to risk someone going in and changing anything?

[Indy Gal]

I don't believe that "additional test results" are what LE is waiting on here - I believe that they are actually handling this case incredibly well in that they ARE keeping it so tight lipped and hopefully in doing so are preparing a slam-dunk prosecution. I believe that James will talk - I do...he's young, does not appear to be well educated (from his few statements made), and.... if they offer some sort of plea deal that appeals to him, I believe he will break..... I think that LE has some substantiating evidence, but are holding out to seal the deal.
Maybe we are all reading wrong but in the above posts it clearly states that the inital autopsy was incluclusive and thay they are awaiting more tests. I do not think this is a stall tatic on behalf of the police, But that is JMO

[joyfulmorning]

Ok lets throw out the Erin was sleeping in Kellys bedroom, I cant find the post and there are way too many threads to go to - so lets chalk that one up to rumor also sorry guys.
I am sure that it will turn up again if it's true. :angel: It is about impossible for me to keep up with all these threads. I am having trouble remembering what fact or rumor came from where. :waitasec:

[Busylady]

Same here joy plus I have read things from other threads, and my brain has turned to mush at this point lol.

[Taximom]

Perhaps but who were they protecting? No one was in the house after Kelly died. Seems like a little too late to be worrying about keeping the residents safe.

At this point maybe they were just protecting what was in the house?

Or keeping him from sneaking in and living in it? lol

ETA: I should read to the end before replying as everyone else had this same idea! lol

[ucka]

The changing of the locks does seem like closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped. I wonder if maybe one of the locks on the house were damaged the night of Kelly's death due to a possible break in. Even if it was a failed attempt they could have been damaged by a screwdriver or something like that, resulting in the need to go in a window.

[Taximom]

"closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped"

Boy, that's for sure, ucka.

[imnotheonlyone]

James had lived there a couple of different times during Erins pregnancy. I suppose it would not be unreasonable to think he had a key.

So, someone please remind me...why did they move away to begin with?

[imnotheonlyone]

Perhaps but who were they protecting? No one was in the house after Kelly died. Seems like a little too late to be worrying about keeping the residents safe.

The parents & Alexis ..... though they may not be there physically at the moment, they reside there.

[imnotheonlyone]

Maybe we are all reading wrong but in the above posts it clearly states that the inital autopsy was incluclusive and thay they are awaiting more tests. I do not think this is a stall tatic on behalf of the police, But that is JMO

I do - they have James in custody now, where they want him - and I am willing to bet that they get him to talk - as I said before, "sealing the deal." Who knows.... sure wish they'd give us an update.

[joyfulmorning]

The changing of the locks does seem like closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped. I wonder if maybe one of the locks on the house were damaged the night of Kelly's death due to a possible break in. Even if it was a failed attempt they could have been damaged by a screwdriver or something like that, resulting in the need to go in a window.

You sure have a way of putting things. LOL :)

[gooniequeen]

The parents & Alexis ..... though they may not be there physically at the moment, they reside there.

Yes I get that, i suppose I was being a wise a$$ in my reply. I was being sarcastic that as was also said - seems a little TOO late for them to be worrying about protecting people.

I too agree it was to secure the crime scene.

[FormerRichmondRes]

All -

I am going through all of our old threads and copying any media links or informational links that we posted. I will filter out all of the duplicates, and try to put a short description for each one. Hopefully this will help TaxiMom with her calendar and it will give us a quick place to look for what has been stated in the media, and not rumor or from the P-I forums.

It will take me a while - I'm only on thread 3 so far . . .

[Indy Gal]

All -

I am going through all of our old threads and copying any media links or informational links that we posted. I will filter out all of the duplicates, and try to put a short description for each one. Hopefully this will help TaxiMom with her calendar and it will give us a quick place to look for what has been stated in the media, and not rumor or from the P-I forums.

It will take me a while - I'm only on thread 3 so far . . .
Thank you so much!:clap:

[Busylady]

Thank you so much ForrmerRichmond that will help tremendously.

[joyfulmorning]

All -

I am going through all of our old threads and copying any media links or informational links that we posted. I will filter out all of the duplicates, and try to put a short description for each one. Hopefully this will help TaxiMom with her calendar and it will give us a quick place to look for what has been stated in the media, and not rumor or from the P-I forums.

It will take me a while - I'm only on thread 3 so far . . .
That will be really helpful. It would be nice to have everything in one place. :crazy:

[gooniequeen]

I have no idea what game (yes i just called them games) LE is playing here.

Based on this article

http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/NEWS06/71010004

Officials initially said a preliminary analysis of her autopsy indicated Kelly died in the same fashion as her sister, but they later backed off of that characterization, saying further analysis of the autopsy did not confirm that claim.

Why back off? I don't think the Officials they speak of are the lcoal CVPD - i assume an official analyzing an Autopsy is a coroner.

Is someone in the MEs office speaking out of turn and taking the spotlight off of Mr. Sphipman and he doesnt like that? ? From what i've seen with Shipman he seems to be a bit of a control freak and I think he doesnt want anyone other than himself making these announcements.

We've already seen that Erin was a clear cut strangulation from day one - yet they let everyone hang on the edge of their seats for over a month to announce it. and then he did so with a snide remark "this is nothing new"

This is nothing new? Well it's news to everyone else on the planet he kept it from AND an innocent teenager paid the ultimate price for his silence and arrogance.

I'm sorry I'm really beside myself with how this investigation has been handled.

Perhaps Kelly wasn't strangled, maybe she was smothered which is harder to detect, but I have no doubt in the next few days we'll hear another...

"this is nothing new" announcement.

for shame.

[Indy Gal]

They backed off because their therory didnt meet the autopsy findings. IMO I do believe this is common when they automaticly think it is murder then told by autopsy it is not.

[Momto3]

I'm a newbie here. I've been reading and lurking since the beginning. I have a few questions that maybe someone knows the answers to. Has it been stated as to what condition Kelly's room was in when her mom found her. Was the bed in disarray? What was she wearing?? Work clothes, PJs or next day clothes. Was the babies crib in her room? I have a few more questions and I'll post them later.

[gooniequeen]

They backed off because their therory didnt meet the autopsy findings. IMO I do believe this is common when they automaticly think it is murder then told by autopsy it is not.

who backed off? Who are these officials the speak of? And this does not mention a theory it says

Officials initially said a preliminary analysis of her autopsy indicated Kelly died in the same fashion as her sister

[imnotheonlyone]

I have no idea what game (yes i just called them games) LE is playing here.

Based on this article

http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071010/NEWS06/71010004

Officials initially said a preliminary analysis of her autopsy indicated Kelly died in the same fashion as her sister, but they later backed off of that characterization, saying further analysis of the autopsy did not confirm that claim.

Why back off? I don't think the Officials they speak of are the lcoal CVPD - i assume an official analyzing an Autopsy is a coroner.

Is someone in the MEs office speaking out of turn and taking the spotlight off of Mr. Sphipman and he doesnt like that? ? From what i've seen with Shipman he seems to be a bit of a control freak and I think he doesnt want anyone other than himself making these announcements.

We've already seen that Erin was a clear cut strangulation from day one - yet they let everyone hang on the edge of their seats for over a month to announce it. and then he did so with a snide remark "this is nothing new"

This is nothing new? Well it's news to everyone else on the planet he kept it from AND an innocent teenager paid the ultimate price for his silence and arrogance.

I'm sorry I'm really beside myself with how this investigation has been handled.

Perhaps Kelly wasn't strangled, maybe she was smothered which is harder to detect, but I have no doubt in the next few days we'll hear another...

"this is nothing new" announcement.

for shame.

You know what I find absolutely CRAZY???? That a Coroner is an Elected Official - at least in our state, no medical training is required.....

[joyfulmorning]

I'm a newbie here. I've been reading and lurking since the beginning. I have a few questions that maybe someone knows the answers to. Has it been stated as to what condition Kelly's room was in when her mom found her. Was the bed in disarray? What was she wearing?? Work clothes, PJs or next day clothes. Was the babies crib in her room? I have a few more questions and I'll post them later.
You have got some really good questions there. I do remember reading somewhere that Kelly was half off half on the bed with her cell phone near her hand. It was ringing or vibrating.

[finally]

Forgive me if this has already been answered, but did the Stanley's have central air conditioning? If they did not, then I'm guessing the windows would have been open at the beginning of September. I realize it is chilly in the Richmond area now, but do the locals remember it being warm (above normal temps in September)?

Also, was someone always home in the Stanley household? If someone was watching the house or knew of various people's schedules based on past experience, i.e. someone who lived in that household at one time or another, they would have opportunity to go in and out without being noticed. I do like the idea that someone mentioned that the window was possibly cut on the way out instead of in. Perhaps the bedroom doors were kept shut and the person was hiding in the room when Kelly came home from work, school, or whatever. Does anyone know what Kelly was found in? Pajamas, work clothes, street clothes? That may be a clue as to what time the attacker (if there was one) was with Kelly.

[Al_B]

here's an interesting report I found it's not Indiana but
http://marcpi.jhu.edu/marcpi/DVProtocols/TreatmentofStrangulationCasesforMedicalPractioners .pdf
sorry to quote myself but after reading this article earlier I have learned some facts and such on strangulation and domestic violence it's worth a look at even though this is a Maryland report

[finally]

Love that report. Very informative. Sorry Momto3, I must have been typing the same thing at the same time. Didn't mean to duplicate.

[Indiana at Heart]

Love that report. Very informative. Sorry Momto3, I must have been typing the same thing at the same time. Didn't mean to duplicate.


It's ok we have duplicate here all the time.

[gooniequeen]

You know what I find absolutely CRAZY???? That a Coroner is an Elected Official - at least in our state, no medical training is required.....

We did actually cover this before....the coroner in this case is actually a mortician and he simply oversees the adminsitrative task of coroner. There was a ME called in to perform both autopsies.

He also ran uncontested.

[Momto3]

When was the last time Kelly's parents saw her alive. I'm going to assume that given the circumstances of Erin's death, they would all be extra vigilient on keeping on eye on each other. That being said, did Kelly's dad check on her before he left for work. Did her Mom or Dad wait up for her on the night before she died? It has been stated that she was at work at DQ. As far as her cell phone, it seems that it would be easy enough to find out her phone history, any missed calls through the night or calls to her voice mail would be in her history.

[Momto3]

Love that report. Very informative. Sorry Momto3, I must have been typing the same thing at the same time. Didn't mean to duplicate.


No problem, at least we are thinking along the same lines. It certain could help to establish a time of death if it was murder.

[readr60]

goonie:
I have doxpop ill take a peek:crazy:

[imnotheonlyone]

goonie:
I have doxpop ill take a peek:crazy:

:blowkiss: Thank you!!!!!!

[readr60]

OMG Im having trouble logging in !!!!!!!!!! Ill keep trying I do know that 1search warrant was sighned on 9/11 a second on 09/24 and a third on 09/26 Let me try again I havent logged on in about 4 months I might need to reset my pw

[Al_B]

I believe there is some training involved in becomming a coroner
http://www.state.in.us/ctb/
and a story of a girl who became a coroner
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/11/715367-teen-becomes-indianas-youngest-coroner

[Busylady]

I guess its all a matter of interpretation, to me this means at first glance they thought she had died in the same manner as her sister, upon further testing and analysis they cannot say she died that way. So I think someone spoke to soon before things were analyzed and just assumed she had died the same way as her sister, but then oops autopsy doesnt indicate that.

who backed off? Who are these officials the speak of? And this does not mention a theory it says

Officials initially said a preliminary analysis of her autopsy indicated Kelly died in the same fashion as her sister

[Taximom]

sorry to quote myself but after reading this article earlier I have learned some facts and such on strangulation and domestic violence it's worth a look at even though this is a Maryland report


Al B, That does look interesting and I haven't had a chance to read it yet!! Thanks for the link.

FormerRichmondRes, thanks for going through the theads for the info. I can help, but not till much later tonight after the kids are in bed. I appreciate your efforts!! :blowkiss:

Momto3, good questions! Keep asking them and hopefully some day we'll have the answers. Maybe we should have a question/answer thread, strictly for that.

"finally", (sorry you are in quotes, but wanted to make sure you saw this!) wasn't Dale in the heating/air business? I can't remember but if he is, I would assume they'd have central air, unless they didn't care for a/c.

DOES anyone know if there's been a fund set up for Alexis? I would like to help out because I know it costs a lot for diapers etc. I thought there was, but my searches have proved fruitless. :(

[Busylady]

There is a fund set up, I do not know any details or who is in control of it or anything, so further research may be needed before you make decision to contribute.
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=200770918013

[Taximom]

Oh thanks, Busylady. :blowkiss:

I see it's going to a bank, so that's a good sign. I wonder if there's any other info that can be provided. In a sad way, I wish Alexis didn't have to carry on the McFarland name.


First Bank is accepting donations at all of its locations, according to a release.
Contributions can be payable to the “Alexis McFarland Benefit Fund.”

[Al_B]

“Yet, while many victims present with no visible signs of injury, trauma to
the neck can result in fractures of the hyoid bone, larynx, and tracheal rings as well as carotid tears and occlusions. Survivors of strangulation attacks frequently present for medical care with complaints of pain, swelling, andchanges to the voice. However, the frequency of these problems is significantly increased in the population of victims that survive multiple strangulation attacks.”

Ligature marks are a clue that the hyoid bone may be broken. As a
general rule, on a post mortem exam, if a hyoid bone is fractured
the death will be a homicide from strangulation until proven
otherwise.45 However, because the two halves of the hyoid do not
fuse until age 30, the hyoid may not break in younger victims who
die as the result of strangulation.46 One third of manual
strangulation victims have fractured hyoids.47

Lung damage may be due to vomit inhaled by the victim during
strangulation.49 This may lead to aspiration pneumonitis—a very serious
condition as the gastric acids begin to digest the lung tissue. Milder cases
of pneumonia may also occur hours or days later.50 The lungs may also
fill with fluid (pulmonary edema) due to complex pathological processes
that may arise from direct pressure placed on the neck.
Victims may have no visible injuries whatsoever, with only transient
symptoms —yet because of underlying brain damage by lack of oxygen
during the strangling, victims have died up to several weeks later.51
Because of the these unforeseen consequences of injuries from a
strangulation attempt that may appear minor to the untrained, officers at
the scene should radio for medics for a medical evaluation of all victims
who report being strangled.52
intereting facts from

http://marcpi.jhu.edu/marcpi/DVProtocols/TreatmentofStrangulationCasesforMedicalPractioners .pdf

[imnotheonlyone]

I believe there is some training involved in becomming a coroner
http://www.state.in.us/ctb/
and a story of a girl who became a coroner
http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/05/11/715367-teen-becomes-indianas-youngest-coroner

I work in a coroner's office - sure there is ongoing training - but no medical license required before or after hire, and..... in my state a coroner is exempt from lawsuit.....

[imnotheonlyone]

Oh thanks, Busylady. :blowkiss:

I see it's going to a bank, so that's a good sign. I wonder if there's any other info that can be provided. In a sad way, I wish Alexis didn't have to carry on the McFarland name.


First Bank is accepting donations at all of its locations, according to a release.
Contributions can be payable to the “Alexis McFarland Benefit Fund.”

Once he is convicted (pray to God!) of killing his child's mother, I would expect that Erin and Kelly's parents would move to terminate his parental rights and at that time request a name change as well.

[Busylady]

Hate to even ask this but do we know for a fact it was Kelly's window removed and not Erins? In searching there some reports that say Kellys window and some that say Erins window?

[Taximom]

All I know for sure is that Erin's bedroom was in the far NE corner of the home per the affidavit. If someone local knows which way N/S/E/W the home was laid out and we can find that layout...we might be able to figure out where Kelly's room vs. Erin's room was.

I notice too that media shows the wrong picture sometimes when discussing the case. Argh. I guess it's easy to do if you aren't really paying attn to the details like some of us try to do! lol

[gooniequeen]

OMG Im having trouble logging in !!!!!!!!!! Ill keep trying I do know that 1search warrant was sighned on 9/11 a second on 09/24 and a third on 09/26 Let me try again I havent logged on in about 4 months I might need to reset my pw


woo hoo cant wait!

[Busylady]

I will try and google earth the address and see what shows up as far as directions on the way the house is situated.

[Indy Gal]

I will try and google earth the address and see what shows up as far as directions on the way the house is situated.
Thank you!

[gooniequeen]

I just looked at Google maps sattelite and I believe it is pointing to the wrong house. I'm pretty positive they are the house on the corner of Elm Dr and Mulllberry Blvd.

[joyfulmorning]

I'm a newbie here. I've been reading and lurking since the beginning. I have a few questions that maybe someone knows the answers to. Has it been stated as to what condition Kelly's room was in when her mom found her. Was the bed in disarray? What was she wearing?? Work clothes, PJs or next day clothes. Was the babies crib in her room? I have a few more questions and I'll post them later.
Welcome Momto3!

[Busylady]

Not sure this helps, because I am not sure which house it points to - when I google my own address the box indicating my address is actually on the house across the street, but maybe a local could tell us which house?
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee109/penny020/704ElmDrive.jpg

[Busylady]

If you look at the picture here the garage is on the left side of the door so it can't be the corner house http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7190621&nav=9TaiPUHM

[joyfulmorning]

I just looked at Google maps sattelite and I believe it is pointing to the wrong house. I'm pretty positive they are the house on the corner of Elm Dr and Mulllberry Blvd.
You are correct gooniequeen, the Stanley home is on the corner of Mulberry Blvd and Elm.

[gooniequeen]

If you look at the picture here the garage is on the left side of the door so it can't be the corner house http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7190621&nav=9TaiPUHM


this is the house i believe is 704 elm - going to get the video from the AP and will brb

http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb196/goonbugs/704elm.png

can a local confirm?

[joyfulmorning]

If you look at the picture here the garage is on the left side of the door so it can't be the corner house http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7190621&nav=9TaiPUHM
The garage is on the left side of the door, but it is the corner house. I am very familiar with the street and I can verify this. :)

[joyfulmorning]

Welcome Finally!

[gooniequeen]

If you look at the picture here the garage is on the left side of the door so it can't be the corner house http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7190621&nav=9TaiPUHM

yep it is the house on the corner. look at the ariel helicopeter view and the house in my PP

http://video.ap.org/v/default.aspx?g=a5dd0b70-9286-4c37-9d69-ecaf623c9d5b&f=kvue&fg=email (http://video.ap.org/v/default.aspx?g=a5dd0b70-9286-4c37-9d69-ecaf623c9d5b&f=kvue&fg=email)

[readr60]

yes that is the house

[Busylady]

Well dang how can google earth come up with two different houses for the same address lol? Should I delete my post of the house to not further confuse anyone?

[imnotheonlyone]

Here is a pdf of the property layout/info

http://prc.co.wayne.in.us/prc_card_storage/312914010900020.pdf

[Taximom]

The window that was boarded up was facing a street, on a long side wall without any other windows, if I recall correctly. At least I didn't see any other windows.

[joyfulmorning]

Well dang how can google earth come up with two different houses for the same address lol? Should I delete my post of the house to not further confuse anyone?
Technology, you gotta love it! LOL :angel:

[Taximom]

Here is a pdf of the property layout/info

http://prc.co.wayne.in.us/prc_card_storage/312914010900020.pdf

That's PERFECT, imnotheonlyone.

The window I thought I saw is labeled "42" on this diagram.

[Busylady]

Ok so we know that Erins room was in the NE corner of the home per the affidavit.

[imnotheonlyone]

OH my guys (gals), this is my first time here (this case) and I'm obsessed/addicted - I've vowed that after this one is complete I can never come back...how does anyone get anything done? :0)

[notfaraway]

Elm Street runs east and west and Mulberry runs north and south. House sets on north side of elm and west side of mulberry. house faces south boarded up window is on north side of house which would be back side of house

[Busylady]

is boarded up window on the n/e side or n/w side nofaraway or do you remember? Thank goodness for locals!!!!

[Taximom]

OH my guys (gals), this is my first time here (this case) and I'm obsessed/addicted - I've vowed that after this one is complete I can never come back...how does anyone get anything done? :0)

Fair warning - it doesn't work like that! LOL I came here for Scott Peterson initially (reading not posting)...and that was how many years ago? :D

WS is my reward for when I get things done around the house.

[Taximom]

Elm Street runs east and west and Mulberry runs north and south. House sets on north side of elm and west side of mulberry. house faces south boarded up window is on north side of house which would be back side of house

OK, I failed miserably in solving math word problems and this looks just like one. :eek:

[Busylady]

LOL I do this while kiddo is in school, and in between doing housework, and then again after everyone goes to bed here, have to admit I have burned dinner not once but twice since I got started on WS.

OH my guys (gals), this is my first time here (this case) and I'm obsessed/addicted - I've vowed that after this one is complete I can never come back...how does anyone get anything done? :0)

[notfaraway]

when you look at the drawing from tax ling below it shows 26 ft. and there is only on window on that section of house the north side then there is concrete then the backside of garage





http://prc.co.wayne.in.us/prc_card_storage/312914010900020.pdf

[Taximom]

I think it's the window marked "42" on the layout. Don't know for sure though.

Is anyone else following the thread about the man in TX that killed his estranged wife, two stepkids and dropped his bio 3 yr old daughter off alive covered in blood at the church his wife worked at? Live camera coverage on that thread...

Then there's a kidnapper on the loose in VT. It's a sad world.

[readr60]

omg I so agree! This is the first for me and Im addicted!!! Ive taken 2 vac days this week!! Im afraid to leave even for a min. Come back and Im lost at playing catch up lol. I appologize too I havent been able to log into my doxpop not sure why. Any other cases that had everyone stumped????:doh:

[Littledeer]

I have a question. It has been stated as fact that the Stanley's had a dog, does anyone know how old this dog is?

If it was an old dog, then probably it did not have good hearing. However, it if was a younger dog, then I would have to assume that it can hear pretty good.

Has anyone said that the dog was barking or not barking during the time leading up to the finding of Erin and Kelly dead?

[Taximom]

omg I so agree! This is the first for me and Im addicted!!! Ive taken 2 vac days this week!! Im afraid to leave even for a min. Come back and Im lost at playing catch up lol. I appologize too I havent been able to log into my doxpop not sure why. Any other cases that had everyone stumped????:doh:

It's horrible, isn't it?

Let's see. Stumped. Hmm. Some would argue Scott Peterson had them stumped. :crazy: (They are STILL talking about it on a thread here somewhere....) :D

[Littledeer]

readr60:

I can relate to that!!! My house is falling apart. My husband is ready to throw out my computer!!

Warned him divorce would be next! LOL (j/k) However, it is addictive!

[Littledeer]

Not on topic but has anyone heard from SS today? How is she doing?

[ucka]

I hope this helps.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/home.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house1.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house2.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house3.jpg

[imnotheonlyone]

readr60:

I can relate to that!!! My house is falling apart. My husband is ready to throw out my computer!!

Warned him divorce would be next! LOL (j/k) However, it is addictive!

I know...... I've never had an "addiction" in my life..... this is nuts :rolleyes:

[FormerRichmondRes]

I hope this helps.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/home.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house1.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house2.jpg

GREAT JOB! :cool::clap::clap::clap::clap:

[notfaraway]

now where it says 26 is where the window is that is the tax measurements 26 feet the side where is says 42 feet is the side facing mulberry


http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house2.jpg

[Indy Gal]

Great Job ucka!!!

[Littledeer]

imnottheonlyone:

CASA is GREAT! My Mom, Daughter and I are all involved with it where we live.

[Littledeer]

Is there a house behind the window labled as 26? Is this Erin's bedroom or Kelly's?

[joyfulmorning]

OH my guys (gals), this is my first time here (this case) and I'm obsessed/addicted - I've vowed that after this one is complete I can never come back...how does anyone get anything done? :0)
I know, I have spent most of the day on here, I am ashamed to say. If I don't stay caught up, I will come back and have a thread and a half to read. LOL

[ucka]

I edited my original post. I forgot the street map. :doh:

[imnotheonlyone]

I hope this helps.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/home.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house1.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house2.jpg

WOW! You are awesome!

[Wrinkles]

Dang guys,

you are too quick. I was writing a message and putsing with the graphic:

Howdy group,

Here is YourFriendBuddy's posting of the houseplans:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1698866&postcount=260

Here is the location of the image in the above message:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=333&stc=1&d=1190731441

Have any of you locals been in the family home? If so, are you able to grab the above document, crop it to the floor plan of the house, then enhance it with the bedrooms, hall, bathrooms, maybe the windows? (using a graphics program) Perhaps you know which bedroom was whose and can label that? Also which side of the house faces which street.

To download that image, right click on it and save the image which is "Stanley Home1.gif"

Address of the house is 704 elm drive, centerville

IF you Google the street address and look at the satellite view, it seems apparent that the photo was taken before the entire tract of homes was finished. Do any of you locals know if it has been finished yet? If not, is there a sales office that would have the floor layout of that particular home in a pamplet that could be picked up and scanned?

BTW, the plans indicate the house has air conditioning.

W

PS. Attached, a crummy drawing done by me, from plans

PSS. A note from BusyLady I believe: "Ok so we know that Erins room was in the NE corner of the home per the affidavit."

[joyfulmorning]

I recieved word today that the parents of Erin and Kelly are back to work now. I also heard that James was spotted several times ,prior to his arrest, near Mrs. Stanley's place of employment. He was reportedly looking for her, asking questions, etc.

[gooniequeen]

I hope this helps.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/home.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house1.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house2.jpg

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/house3.jpg
you are da bomb Ucka!

However i still dont know where Erins' room was...

[Busylady]

Erins room is on the N/E corner per the affidavit so if thats the window boarded up then it is Erins room and not Kellys

[imnotheonlyone]

imnottheonlyone:

CASA is GREAT! My Mom, Daughter and I are all involved with it where we live.

I just became a Guardian Ad Litem (will be volunteering as a CASA, however - I do not want to be compensated financially) - and I get my first case on Monday, I'm so excited!

[Indy Gal]

Erins room is on the N/E corner per the affidavit so if thats the window boarded up then it is Erins room and not Kellys
Great find Busy and others who helped in solving THIS clue!!:clap:

[Wrinkles]

Congrats imnotheonlyone,

BTW, what is CASA?

w

[imnotheonlyone]

Congrats imnotheonlyone,

BTW, what is CASA?

w

Court Appointed Special Advocate - a volunteer that acts as the eyes and ears of the court in cases where there are allegations of abuse, neglect, etc. - advocates for children

[KansasCutie]

Does anyone know how James myspace all of a sudden became private without logging in since Oct. 4?

[CvilleMom]

Okay, y'all...I can't stand it any longer...I am back LOL


If you all remember correctly...I am the one who posted the first snapshot of the boarded up window..and I believe (iirc) that Dancer confirmed it was Kelly's, and they stated that Erins BR is in the NE corner of the home, that would be the back side of the house...where the plan says "26" would be Erins BR which faces N and where it says "42" would be Kelly's BR window which is on the side of the house, which faces E...I hope this clears that up.

[Indy Gal]

It isnt try loggong in.......I just did and see it.

[CvilleMom]

Does anyone know how James myspace all of a sudden became private without logging in since Oct. 4?


It isn't private, you just have to be logged in to myspace to read it.

[Busylady]

James myspace isnt private, I was able to just look at it a few minutes ago.

[KansasCutie]

oops! i wasnt logged in. sorry!!

[gooniequeen]

Okay, y'all...I can't stand it any longer...I am back LOL


If you all remember correctly...I am the one who posted the first snapshot of the boarded up window..and I believe (iirc) that Dancer confirmed it was Kelly's, and they stated that Erins BR is in the NE corner of the home, that would be the back side of the house...where the plan says "26" would be Erins BR which faces N and where it says "42" would be Kelly's BR window which is on the side of the house, which faces E...I hope this clears that up.

Thank you. I didnt' want to say anything thinking I might be wrong but that's what i thought as well from the pictures. I may not know NESorW but i know corners :D and the boarded up window is right smack dab middle.

[Taximom]

So we can safely say the window is from Kelly's bedroom or just that it's not the NE bedroom and therefore not Erin's bedroom window?

What a great bunch of people we have here putting together all these graphics etc. Great job!!! :clap: :clap:

We are having a baseball playoff party at our house but I wanted to sneak in and see what's going on.

That is scary about James hanging around Lonny's workplace. I think he's definitely got something mental going on and doesn't have any boundaries....

[Wrinkles]

Hello All,

FIRST, CVILLEMOM I AM SO SOSO GLAD YOU DID NOT STAY AWAY! We want you here :)

Indy Gal, BusyLady wrote:
>>Erins room is on the N/E corner per the affidavit so if thats the window boarded up then it is Erins room and not Kellys<<

BusyLady, with all due respect, I don't have enough info to come to the conclusion that the boarded up window was in Erin's room. Have I missed something?

Look at the graphic here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54842&page=7

That window is located at approx. the midway mark on what appears to be a 42 foot wall. If one guessed that window in a NE room (based on it being in the true NE corner), that would seem to make that room to be about 25 foot in length. That would be a HUGE room in that 1328 square foot house. In fact, it would indicate a Master BR to me. But...I don't think that is the case.

I believe that we have had hearsay at one point indicating that window to be at the end of a hallway. It sure would be nice if someone who knows that home would step in and augment the floor plan to show the layout.

I'm not sure the issue of where the window is located, room or hall, is solved.

Now then...IF all of the bedrooms are located on the East side of the home, "perhaps" that is Kelly" room? BUT, we do NOT have a proper layout of that home. SOMEONE HELP!

w

[Wrinkles]

Reading CvilleMoms last message again:

>>I am the one who posted the first snapshot of the boarded up window..and I believe (iirc) that Dancer confirmed it was Kelly's<<

YES AND CREDIT WHERE CREDIT IS DUE! BRAVO CVILLEMOM!!! :)

Now then...can we get DancerGirl in here to confirm that the "mid window" is DEFINITELY in Kelly's bedroom, i.e. can she confirm being in the home and KNOWING it?

DANCER GIRL WHERE ARE YOU?

w

[CvilleMom]

[quote=Wrinkles;1734763]Hello All,

FIRST, CVILLEMOM I AM SO SOSO GLAD YOU DID NOT STAY AWAY! We want you here :)


Thank You!! I do believe it was Dancer_girl who confirmed that window was Kelly's.....I have searched her posts, but can not find it, but someone DID confirm that when I first posted that pic. The window was not boarded on the morning that Kelly was found, but by the next day, it was. But, it definitely was AFTER Kelly's death before it was boarded.

[gooniequeen]

I'm glad you are here too :blowkiss:

Okay, y'all...I can't stand it any longer...I am back LOL


If you all remember correctly...I am the one who posted the first snapshot of the boarded up window..and I believe (iirc) that Dancer confirmed it was Kelly's, and they stated that Erins BR is in the NE corner of the home, that would be the back side of the house...where the plan says "26" would be Erins BR which faces N and where it says "42" would be Kelly's BR window which is on the side of the house, which faces E...I hope this clears that up.

[Littledeer]

CVILLEMOM

I also remember that as you said.

but someone DID confirm that when I first posted that pic. The window was not boarded on the morning that Kelly was found, but by the next day, it was. But, it definitely was AFTER Kelly's death before it was boarded.

[ucka]

Hello All,

FIRST, CVILLEMOM I AM SO SOSO GLAD YOU DID NOT STAY AWAY! We want you here :)

Indy Gal, BusyLady wrote:
>>Erins room is on the N/E corner per the affidavit so if thats the window boarded up then it is Erins room and not Kellys<<

BusyLady, with all due respect, I don't have enough info to come to the conclusion that the boarded up window was in Erin's room. Have I missed something?

Look at the graphic here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54842&page=7

That window is located at approx. the midway mark on what appears to be a 42 foot wall. If one guessed that window in a NE room (based on it being in the true NE corner), that would seem to make that room to be about 25 foot in length. That would be a HUGE room in that 1328 square foot house. In fact, it would indicate a Master BR to me. But...I don't think that is the case.

I believe that we have had hearsay at one point indicating that window to be at the end of a hallway. It sure would be nice if someone who knows that home would step in and augment the floor plan to show the layout.

I'm not sure the issue of where the window is located, room or hall, is solved.

Now then...IF all of the bedrooms are located on the East side of the home, "perhaps" that is Kelly" room? BUT, we do NOT have a proper layout of that home. SOMEONE HELP!

w

Thats what I was thinking. In a house that size your typical non-master bedroom would be somewhere around 10x10 or 12x12 feet, maybe a little more.

So they should stack up something like this...

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q30/ucka11/rooms.jpg

[gooniequeen]

Someone posted earlier that James was booked on Murder 2 and I was wondering where that information came from and how they are determining from Murder 1/2 in this case.

I dont think i saw it in the PC document - anyone?

[IndyXgirl]

This is the latest article...
Palladium-Item loses public records challenge in dead sisters' investigation


INDIANAPOLIS — The state’s public access counselor has found Wayne County officials operated in compliance of public records in refusing to release a 911 tape in their investigation of the deaths of two Centerville sisters last month.
The body of Erin Stanley, 19, was found Sept. 1 and, six days later, the body of her sister, Kelly Stanley, 18, was found in the Centerville home they shared with their parents.
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For more on this story, see Saturday's Palladium-Item

[readr60]

Could someone please post the picture of the boarded window? I must have missed it.

[IndyXgirl]

I don't know if this is posted or not. If so sorry.this is the affidavtive.
http://www.pal-item.com/assets/pdf/A0858841010.PDF

[gooniequeen]

Interesting how they dont back any of this up...like WHY/HOW was he in compliance.

This is the latest article...
Palladium-Item loses public records challenge in dead sisters' investigation


INDIANAPOLIS — The state’s public access counselor has found Wayne County officials operated in compliance of public records in refusing to release a 911 tape in their investigation of the deaths of two Centerville sisters last month.
The body of Erin Stanley, 19, was found Sept. 1 and, six days later, the body of her sister, Kelly Stanley, 18, was found in the Centerville home they shared with their parents.
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Public Access Counselor Heather Neal said Friday that Prosecutor Mike Shipman was justified in refusing the newspaper’s request.
For more on this story, see Saturday's Palladium-Item

[CvilleMom]

I'm glad you are here too :blowkiss:
Thank You Goonie!! :blowkiss:

[aloc63]

I heard that the Prosecutor, Mike Shipman has left for vacation. I wonder if this means it is going to take longer to get official information on Kelly's death.

I also had heard that when Kelly was found that it was obvious that a struggle had occurred.

[FormerRichmondRes]

Everyone - I am working on a running list of all media stories, pictures, etc. at the timeline sticky that TaxiMom created -- I had added a whole bunch more and hit the WRONG button . . . ::sighs::

So, I get to repost a bunch of it. However, this is a good place to direct people when we are looking for posts, instead of reposting them here.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1734831&postcount=3

I will continue updating throughout the evening.

Thanks!

[gooniequeen]

Yes I saw that FRR on the sticky post - VERY Impressive. :blowkiss:

Everyone - I am working on a running list of all media stories, pictures, etc. at the timeline sticky that TaxiMom created -- I had added a whole bunch more and hit the WRONG button . . . ::sighs::

So, I get to repost a bunch of it. However, this is a good place to direct people when we are looking for posts, instead of reposting them here.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1734831&postcount=3

I will continue updating throughout the evening.

Thanks!

[gooniequeen]

I heard that the Prosecutor, Mike Shipman has left for vacation. I wonder if this means it is going to take longer to get official information on Kelly's death.

I also had heard that when Kelly was found that it was obvious that a struggle had occurred.

Are you effin' kidding me? He's on vacation? This is most likely the single most important case of his career yet he has time for vacation?

can someone confirm this?

I also heard there were obvious signs of a struggle.

[CvilleMom]

Could someone please post the picture of the boarded window? I must have missed it.


http://i21.tinypic.com/j08juc

[aloc63]

My hair dresser told me about Mike Shipman being on vacation. She was positive about this. Does anyone know how we could find this information?

If I remember correctly didn't the prosecutor in the Natalee Holloway case do the same thing

[Busylady]

Wrinkles, if you will follow the post you will see that my statement was made after a comment by from another poster

"Elm Street runs east and west and Mulberry runs north and south. House sets on north side of elm and west side of mulberry. house faces south boarded up window is on north side of house which would be back side of house"

Then se