Arrest made in Erin Stanley case General Discussion #4

[Jeana (DP)]

Continue here, keeping in mind all of the requests that I've made in previous threads.

[gooniequeen]

I have requested a copy of the SW and as soon as it's faxed to me I will post it.

[Busylady]

Does fingerprint dust turn things black or have I just watched too much CSI?

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Jeana!

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1737250&postcount=443

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1737277&postcount=454

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1737317&postcount=464

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1737334&postcount=470

[Busylady]

Good deal will be anxious to see what it says.

I have requested a copy of the SW and as soon as it's faxed to me I will post it.

[Taximom]

RE: DOXPOP
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goonie:
I have doxpop ill take a peek:crazy:




CALLING READR60!!! WE NEED YOU!!! :blowkiss:

[Taximom]

Hmm, I saw the "we need some time apart" thread and thought it was our new thread. :D

:blowkiss: :blowkiss:

As far as the calendar goes, I'll do my best to keep the rumors out. I did notice several instances of "the parents called 911" reporting when talking about KS. So, that's out there, but now we know what really happened. If anything, the calendar can just be a quick reference for these cases.

[Indy Gal]

Taxi
You are too funny!!
I love having the calender, taxi! it is very very helpful!!

[Taximom]

I like the window enhancements, but I still think it was the metal frame of the window. I can see how one can see material, but my eyes still see a bent frame!

No worries though. Either way, it's strange.

[Taximom]

Wouldn't it be cool if they decided to have a CSI-WS series?

(Where are my sunglasses?)

[tiredblondy]

This is being covered on Fox The Line-Up now. I can't watch it but wanted to let you all know.

[Indy Gal]

SOMEONE get that channel on!! Thanks TB!!

[dimples37398]

Here is the original, with only contrast change, you could still see those spots before contrast change but you can see them better now.

I still definately don't think that is the screen torn or bent, something under the window....really not sure what....

The dark spots on the window could be anything from dirt to paint peeling, who knows. Just something I thought I would throw out there since it caught my eye for a sec.

http://i22.tinypic.com/25fou2p.jpg

Kel

[gooniequeen]

RE: DOXPOP
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goonie:
I have doxpop ill take a peek:crazy:




CALLING READR60!!! WE NEED YOU!!! :blowkiss:

Readr60 tried to get on DOXPOP yesterday and couldnt :( do you see the 3 search warrants or do you want me to go find their case #s?

[gooniequeen]

I must have missed it on the Lineup....I turned it on at 10:21 and it was a commercial now it's back and it's covering another story. Did anyone see it?

[dimples37398]

I can only hope if it was the screen torn or bent or whatever, that they wouldn't have sat it down, bent/torn side down on the ground. I would hope they would be more careful with evidence or potential evidence than that. Otherwise they might have problems if they treat evidence like that........

If ya look at the photo of the screen leaned up against the house, the bent/torn part isn't at the top so that means it is sitting down on the ground with someones spit, gum, cigarette butts and who knows what else.

[Busylady]

Wondering if the dark spots are from fingerprint dust, tried looking up if fingerprint dust was dark and all i could find was you can use hersey coca powder on light surfaces and talcum powder on dark surfaces.

[Busylady]

I turned Fox Line-Up on but they were talking about parents losing parental rights.

[Busylady]

Yep Dimples thats my concern that the window was not secured and reports could walk right up to look in the window before it was removed.

[Taximom]

OK, so we need the person here with the reporter relationship to ask them what they know about the window!

[gooniequeen]

OK, so we need the person here with the reporter relationship to ask them what they know about the window!

That would be moi. I already asked him about it and he asked Shipman about it and Shipman said it was "normal"

This is the questions I asked:

Did you know that police have taken the window, frame and all, off the house?

And this was the reporters reply:

I asked Shipman about it and he told me it was a normal part of any investigation.

[Taximom]

Readr60 tried to get on DOXPOP yesterday and couldnt :( do you see the 3 search warrants or do you want me to go find their case #s?

Oh rats, didn't see that. Thanks, readr60!

I can find the case #'s if that helps. Hold on a sec!

[Taximom]

That would be moi. I've requested it.

LOL, ok, just smack me.

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While I'm sitting here waiting for the 60 second post again countdown, has anyone else noticed that WS seconds are much slower than the seconds you count off on your own? :waitasec: :p

3...2...1...this should work...

[Littledeer]

bumblegug:

I had replied to your message and after I replied it told me the thread was closed!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

So going to try again.

I have copied your post and edited so I can resond accordingly. Hopefully, I will not violate any WS regulations/laws in doing so.

James is not all that big. If you look at his picture,,,does he look large to you? My son is 6' tall, I am 4'10" tall, so looking big or large would be depending on how the other person is statured in size.

As virtually everyone has spoken here ... there is much that remains unknown. Fact!!

Do you yourself have any theories or thoughts?? I am thinking you know James, but I could be wrong.

[gooniequeen]

Shipman Search Warrants

9/11 89C01-0709-MC-044 (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/SingleCaseSubscription?action=GET-SUBSCRIPTION-CHOICE&caseId=18106C107MC044)
9/24 89C01-0709-MC-047 (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/SingleCaseSubscription?action=GET-SUBSCRIPTION-CHOICE&caseId=18106C107MC047)
9/26 89C01-0709-MC-048 (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/SingleCaseSubscription?action=GET-SUBSCRIPTION-CHOICE&caseId=18106C107MC048)

[Taximom]

89c01-0709-mc-048
89c01-0709-mc-044
89c01-0709-mc-047

[joyfulmorning]

Welcome Bumblebug!

Great work with the window today. I am impressed. It bothers me that part of the window is on the ground. It looks like they would have been more careful with it.

[Littledeer]

I leave to clean the house and do (work work) and watch some baseball.........

lots of windows to REALLY look at tomorrow!!!

All I could mange was responding to bumblebug.

Keep going WS!!!

[Indy Gal]

Should we all pitch into a paypal and get the records....LOL I guess we could wait until Monday, they probably will be posted. But we could...LOLOLOL

[Littledeer]

Indy:

Here's my $10.00

Just give me the address.

[Indy Gal]

LOL i guess I am not the only inpaitent person...So we are up to twenty...LOL

[Littledeer]

Indy:

Normally I am a very patient person.........

however in this case, I am on threads and needles.

Good thing I didn't type noodles there, but then again, that too, as this is very perplexing with Kelly's death!

[Taximom]

How much is it?!

[Indy Gal]

yeah guys nevermind, we get one case for 40 dollars....I guess we will sit on threads and needles..>LOL

Unless I read wrong, go to goonies links above??

[greeneyz]

My thoughts on the window are it is either the screen was cut out and removed and what we are seeing is some remaining screen at the bottom of the screen window frame....or possibly duct tape that was perhaps used to hold the screen in...or it does also look like something that is closed in the main part of the window. Is hard to tell, wish we had a better picture of it to work with. :(

From what I gathered from reading, Goonie requested the documents and is just waiting for them to be faxed to her and then she will post them here.

[CvilleMom]

Yep Dimples thats my concern that the window was not secured and reports could walk right up to look in the window before it was removed.

I have been out of town and have been "trying" to get caught up now for a few hours, (still not there) but had made a note of post # 283 from Busylady on the last thread...and now it is brought up again, so I will explain, I think that my original post of the boarded up window pic it was misunderstood when I stated "the window was there on the day Kelly was found, but boarded up the next"..leaving time for someone to possibly tamper with it. I personally do not know when the window was taken, I assume that it was done immediately during the initial investigation...but what I actually stated was in comparison to another picture based on pics taken from the newspaper articles, it clearly showed the window was there when the first pics were taken. I took the picture of the boarded up window the next day. Someone questioned "was the window boarded up because of this or were they possibly doing some work and it was already boarded?" I was simply showing a pic that was taken the morning of Kelly's death that it was there and then the next day "when I drove by" it was gone, hence the pic. I personally don't think they left that window there for someone to tamper with, I feel it was taken immediately. IMO

[greeneyz]

Welcome back CvilleMom and thank you for clearing that up for us!!!

[Busylady]

My post was referring to a comment posted from a neighbor who said that a reporter had walked up to the window looking in and a police officer drove by and told the report to back up to the sidewalk. The window may of very well been taken out the same day, my point was if a reporter could walk right up and a police officer driving by stopped him, then the window wasnt secured. If you go back further in the thread you can see were I reference the post from the neighbor. I know its alot to come in and read and catch up so trying to clarify what my post was pertaining to.

[Busylady]

With regards to the search warrant I wonder if it will be released to the public?

Key also said that records of search and arrest warrants are public documents when a judge rules on them. Palladium-Item reporters have sought records of search warrants this week. A judge can seal those documents if he or she is asked to do so, but they are public at the initial ruling.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070913/NEWS01/709130308

I don't know how we would know if a request to seal them has been made, but seeing how Shipman didnt want to release the 911 recording I am sure he doesnt want to release the search warrant either.

[CvilleMom]

My post was referring to a comment posted from a neighbor who said that a reporter had walked up to the window looking in and a police officer drove by and told the report to back up to the sidewalk. The window may of very well been taken out the same day, my point was if a reporter could walk right up and a police officer driving by stopped him, then the window wasnt secured. If you go back further in the thread you can see were I reference the post from the neighbor. I know its alot to come in and read and catch up so trying to clarify what my post was pertaining to.



This is the one I was referring to hon....
If you look on the sticky post, there is a picture of the window zoomed in that shows damage to the screen, then another picture of the boarded up window. If you watch the video http://www.theindychannel.com/news/14069431/detail.html it appears by listening to the video it was taken the day of Kelly's death, but if I recall whoever posted the boarded up window pictures states it was not boarded up the same day Kelly died but the next day. I do not know when the pictures of the torn screen were taken. What I am trying to understand why would LE leave the evidence there overnight and not take it with them right away. I think that would leave the risk of the defense being able to say someone tampered with it after the fact?

After reading my original post, I could also see as to where it might have been mistaken as to the way it was worded, and I knew I was the one who originally posted that picture, so I felt I needed to clarify it. :)

[Busylady]

Oh ok cvillemom i thought you were referring to my post that I had made to dimple that you had put in quotes. But I appreciate you clarifying.

[miss_vegemite]

Boy this window has me stumped:confused: One minute I'm sooh sure it's the flyscreen bent, next time I look I see some sort of material, ie..towel or something!!

Whatever it is though, I do think the window was used either for both entry and exit, or at least one of them..

[Busylady]

I showed my husband the picture of the window and his first response was thats the good old towel trick. So I asked what the heck that was, he explained he use to put a towel in the window when he would sneak out so that when he came back home to sneak in you had something to grab on to with both hands to start to open the window quietly, because there is nothing to grab onto on the outside of the window to open it once its closed unless you use a screwdriver or something to get it started. He grew up in an older home with woodcased windows and said it was harder than heck to open with nothing to grab on and he was afraid a screw driver would leave marks. I am trying to visualize this working?

[miss_vegemite]

I showed my husband the picture of the window and his first response was thats the good old towel trick. So I asked what the heck that was, he explained he use to put a towel in the window when he would sneak out so that when he came back home to sneak in you had something to grab on to with both hands to start to open the window quietly, because there is nothing to grab onto on the outside of the window to open it once its closed unless you use a screwdriver or something to get it started. He grew up in an older home with woodcased windows and said it was harder than heck to open with nothing to grab on and he was afraid a screw driver would leave marks. I am trying to visualize this working?

I might have to get myself one of those "husbands" lol..they seem to be quite helpful WS partners!

I am now putting on my 'thinking cap' so I can figure out a scenario that I'm happy with:waitasec: ..

[greeneyz]

Hmmmm I like your husbands theory about the towel BusyLady! It would make sense...maybe that towel was placed there for later use to be able to get easy access inside the bedroom! Now I wanna know IF that was the case then WHEN was it put there and by WHOM? :banghead:

[Busylady]

I cant come up with a scenario either, for one thing why would you leave the towel there once your back in the house if thats what it was used for? Could LE of even placed it there to keep the window from sealing to preserve a finger print or something they got off the bottom of the window? It just doesnt make sense to me at all.

[Bobbisangel]

Maybe that is the way LE found the window. It does look like a towel or rag..something cloth that would keep the window from totally shutting. It probably wouldn't be noticed from the inside because of curtains or the shades. If someone went in through the window but left by the door they may have just been in a hurry to get out of the house and quietly went out the door and forgot about the rag in the window. With that rag in the bottom of the window it would be easy to open the window quietly without Kelly hearing anything...especially if she had taken something to help her sleep because of the trauma of Erin's death. It really does make sense...the husband's viewpoint..and we know that someone got in that house some how.

[Taximom]

If someone used the towel to prop open the window for easy access, when did that person put it there? And if that's used to help open the window to get inside, it's not going to stay there while you climb over the sill. It would fall off. If you climb in, then turn around and put the towel back on the window...why? If he brought his own towel, it will have his DNA all over it. It doesn't make sense to me. Sometimes I need things explained over and over again before I have that aha moment though!

I still think it's the metal frame that's bent from someone prying it open or using the frame as leverage to get up into the home and/or out of the home.

[miss_vegemite]

Maybe that is the way LE found the window. It does look like a towel or rag..something cloth that would keep the window from totally shutting. It probably wouldn't be noticed from the inside because of curtains or the shades. If someone went in through the window but left by the door they may have just been in a hurry to get out of the house and quietly went out the door and forgot about the rag in the window. With that rag in the bottom of the window it would be easy to open the window quietly without Kelly hearing anything...especially if she had taken something to help her sleep because of the trauma of Erin's death. It really does make sense...the husband's viewpoint..and we know that someone got in that house some how.

Yes, your right that it wouldn't be noticed from the inside, due to the curtains. But you no what I find puzzling is - if the person (you all know who I think:)) did climb in through the window, then exited from another point in the house, why they put the flyscreen back on after climbing into the window. It would be taking a bigger risk once you climb in to then try and lean out the window, grab the screen and put it back on somehow...

I wonder if "this person" had some help..did someone else play a minor role in this? By putting the screen back on once "HE" was in the window. I feel that whoever did climb through that window, probably did so before Kelly was home. JMT :D

[miss_vegemite]

If someone used the towel to prop open the window for easy access, when did that person put it there? And if that's used to help open the window to get inside, it's not going to stay there while you climb over the sill. It would fall off. If you climb in, then turn around and put the towel back on the window...why? If he brought his own towel, it will have his DNA all over it. It doesn't make sense to me. Sometimes I need things explained over and over again before I have that aha moment though!

I still think it's the metal frame that's bent from someone prying it open or using the frame as leverage to get up into the home and/or out of the home.

Good points about the towel/cloth theory...I also can't figure out the whys and hows of it...

[cold case lady]

was just wondering,has any body actually been arrested in reguard's to erins death? :confused:

[miss_vegemite]

I cant come up with a scenario either, for one thing why would you leave the towel there once your back in the house if thats what it was used for? Could LE of even placed it there to keep the window from sealing to preserve a finger print or something they got off the bottom of the window? It just doesnt make sense to me at all.

Maybe the carpenter who cut the window placed the towel there? :banghead:

[miss_vegemite]

was just wondering,has any body actually been arrested in reguard's to erins death? :confused:
LOL...Yep, JAMES MCFARLAND was arrested a few days ago!! WooHOOOOO....but only in the case of Erin, so far!

[pooky169]

I remember my parents putting like an old dishtowel in the window similar to that when I was young because we had a gap in the window there and in the wintertime when it was cold it helped act like a sealant for the window to keep it warmer inside. But it was folded up somehow as not to show and we could still lock the window. But since it was early Sept when those pics were taken it was still really warm out so it couldn't be there for a sealant if there was a gap it was there for another purpose.

[gooniequeen]

According to the PI article dated 9/14 titled "CENTERVILLE DEATHS INVESTIGATION UPDATE: Records indicate sisters died in the same manner"

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070914/UPDATES/70914013

"Records released today by Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman reveal Centerville sisters Erin and Kelly Stanley died in the same fashion"

This would indicate to me that the search warrant is public record. And based on that date it would have to be this Search Warrant

89C01-0709-MC-044 (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/SingleCaseSubscription?action=GET-SUBSCRIPTION-CHOICE&caseId=18106C107MC044) dated 9/11 (this is the incorrect record) ** Correct Record is - 9/7 89D01-0709-MC-022 (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/SingleCaseSubscription?action=GET-SUBSCRIPTION-CHOICE&caseId=18106D107MC022)

Now if we could only see it :banghead:

PS- DoxPop, Public Records at Your Fingertips




With regards to the search warrant I wonder if it will be released to the public?

Key also said that records of search and arrest warrants are public documents when a judge rules on them. Palladium-Item reporters have sought records of search warrants this week. A judge can seal those documents if he or she is asked to do so, but they are public at the initial ruling.

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070913/NEWS01/709130308

I don't know how we would know if a request to seal them has been made, but seeing how Shipman didnt want to release the 911 recording I am sure he doesnt want to release the search warrant either.

[Indy Gal]

hopefully it is okay to bring this over.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1737351&postcount=477

[Truthful Lies]

Are there any upcoming court dates for James McFarland?

[gooniequeen]

December 10th is a pretrial hearing.

http://m.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/NEWS01/710110310/-1/NEWS&template=wapart

It also states he's been given til October 24th to hire an attorney or the Judge will appoint one for him.

[Truthful Lies]

December 10th is a pretrial hearing.
Thanks, Goonie :)

[Taximom]

Good morning to all!

Are there any upcoming court dates for James McFarland?

1/8/08 9 a.m. Trial set to start, but I'm sure that date will change due to defense tactics, unless he wants a speedy trial

Has he asked for change of venue yet? What would his options be in Indiana? Where's Edwin Hall's case being handled? Can I ask anymore questions that we probably don't know the answers to yet? :D

[Indy Gal]

Hey i know where EH case is being handled, Kansas!! So I did answer one. LOL I do believe he will ask for a COV, but is unlikely to get it.IMO I will look more into Indiana Law and will BRB hopefully will some more answers for ya..LOL

[Taximom]

Hey i know where EH case is being handled, Kansas!! So I did answer one. LOL I do believe he will ask for a COV, but is unlikely to get it.IMO I will look more into Indiana Law and will BRB hopefully will some more answers for ya..LOL

OH! Why did I think EH was in Indiana? :waitasec: :slap: :blushing: Thanks, Indy.

[Al_B]

well, I think it's possible but not likely. Then again I wouldn't have thought they'd move the truck driver that crashed into the Taylor U van either and they did. Richmond is bigger then Marion though so who knows.
change of venue info
http://www.in.gov/sboa/publications/manuals/clerk/clerk99/clerk06.pdf
http://www.in.gov/sboa/publications/manuals/clerk/clerk98/clrkch06.pdf

[Indy Gal]

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/localrules/current/wayne-all-032907.pdf
talks about WC courts.
I am having trouble finding any kind of cases with murder in wayne county. Any help? I want to see if they use the DP or is it usually LWOP

[Indy Gal]

So true Al I forgot about that one (Taylor U) IF they did move it, where do you think it would go?

[Taximom]

well, I think it's possible but not likely. Then again I wouldn't have thought they'd move the truck driver that crashed into the Taylor U van either and they did. Richmond is bigger then Marion though so who knows.
change of venue info
http://www.in.gov/sboa/publications/manuals/clerk/clerk99/clerk06.pdf
http://www.in.gov/sboa/publications/manuals/clerk/clerk98/clrkch06.pdf

Not to go too way OT here, but what happened in this case? Do we have a thread on it? TIA.

[Indy Gal]

Not to go too way OT here, but what happened in this case? Do we have a thread on it? TIA.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39943&highlight=taylor+university+crash

[gooniequeen]

I dont see anything yet where he's requested a COV, but i suppose him getting an attorney is his first order of business. :)

I came across an interesting article that i didn't recall seeing earlier, but it goes to James charachter

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/LOCAL/710110470/-1/LOCAL17

An 81-year-old neighbor who lived across the street described McFarland as friendly and helpful to others along the street. He said McFarland had helped a woman in the neighborhood move Tuesday.

"Just to talk to him, he didn't strike you as that kind of guy," Cleo Rybolt said in reference to the murder charge. "He was friendly and soft-spoken."

Lori Duran, who lived next door to the home where McFarland was staying, said the two of them would often sit on her front porch and talk. "He seemed really nice."

McFarland had gone to the unemployment office in Richmond to look for a job, she said. "I think he was planning on not going to jail, obviously."


Has he asked for change of venue yet? What would his options be in Indiana? Where's Edwin Hall's case being handled? Can I ask anymore questions that we probably don't know the answers to yet? :D

[Al_B]

Not to go too way OT here, but what happened in this case? Do we have a thread on it? TIA.
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/stories/2007/08/14/statenews.nw-094215.sto

[Al_B]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/LOCAL/710110470/-1/LOCAL17


"Just to talk to him, he didn't strike you as that kind of guy," Cleo Rybolt said in reference to the murder charge. "He was friendly and soft-spoken."

."
sadly some never seem like that kind but they are. if only the people who commit murder looked like monsters then it would be easier to stay away from them

[Jeana (DP)]

please Do Not Increase The Font Size. As Far As I Know Everyone Here Can Read Regular Font Sizes Just Fine And Its Just Really Annoying. Anyone Increasing The Font Size Will not Like What Their Posts Look Like After I Edit Them.

[Jeana (DP)]

Okay, so already this morning, I had to delete about 20 posts. DO NOT take the bait. If someone is trolling for a fish, ya'll would be the perfect posters. Just because one poster is going off the deep end and posting off topic remarks or trying to irritate you, that doesn't mean you've got to fall for it. INGORE the person and send me a PM or something.:mad:

[Indy Gal]

I was thinking by the way he has been descibed as woo is me, blah blah could he have something like this or similar. Of course I am only throwing it out here, i dont know for sure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

Thanks Jeana (blushing icon)

[CvilleMom]

Originally Posted by Busylady http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1737663#post1737663)
With regards to the search warrant I wonder if it will be released to the public?

On this newscast video, there is a close up copy of the search warrant, now if one of our dear members who are good at that can grab a screen shot of it and zoom in on it, maybe, just maybe we can get some info from it.

911 Call Released In Death Of Centerville Sisters - News Story - WHIO Dayton (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html)

[Taximom]

I dont see anything yet where he's requested a COV, but i suppose him getting an attorney is his first order of business. :)

OH YEAH, that would be important. Forgot he didn't have one yet. This will surely delay the 1/2008 trial date.

I came across an interesting article that i didn't recall seeing earlier, but it goes to James charachter

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/LOCAL/710110470/-1/LOCAL17

An 81-year-old neighbor who lived across the street described McFarland as friendly and helpful to others along the street. He said McFarland had helped a woman in the neighborhood move Tuesday.

"Just to talk to him, he didn't strike you as that kind of guy," Cleo Rybolt said in reference to the murder charge. "He was friendly and soft-spoken."

Lori Duran, who lived next door to the home where McFarland was staying, said the two of them would often sit on her front porch and talk. "He seemed really nice."

McFarland had gone to the unemployment office in Richmond to look for a job, she said. "I think he was planning on not going to jail, obviously."

This was posted on the timeline sticky and it's on the calendar, just FYI. When I saw it I thought immediately of Scott Peterson because all of his neighbors said the same thing. SP even drove one of his neighbors to the doctor's office when her car broke down one time! ROFL

Also, I wish the reporter had followed up on the unemployment office statement. I bet you a zillion dollars that it's just a lie to make himself look good to that neighbor and to gain that person's sympathy.

[Indy Gal]

I sure hope Bumblebug will join us today. I am ready to her what they have to say. Please, do jump in!!

[gooniequeen]

Excellent find! I can read it and it says (someone else will have to do their magic and enlarge and paste it here)

"believes and has good cause to believe, that evidence related to the homicide of 18 yo Kelly Stanley, in concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm Dr., Centerville Wayne County...

further evidence is likely to be found in the 4-door 1992 grey lumina"


Originally Posted by Busylady http://www.websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1737663#post1737663)
With regards to the search warrant I wonder if it will be released to the public?

On this newscast video, there is a close up copy of the search warrant, now if one of our dear members who are good at that can grab a screen shot of it and zoom in on it, maybe, just maybe we can get some info from it.

911 Call Released In Death Of Centerville Sisters - News Story - WHIO Dayton (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html)

[CvilleMom]

Excellent find! I can read it and it says (someone else will have to do their magic and enlarge and paste it here)

"believes and has good cause to believe, that evidence related to the homicide of 18 yo Kelly Stanley, in concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm Dr., Centerville Wayne County...

further evidence is likely to be found in the 4-door 1992 grey lumina"


Hmmmmmm

[gooniequeen]

and HERE is the actual SW in DoxPop!!!!

9/7 89D01-0709-MC-022 (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/SingleCaseSubscription?action=GET-SUBSCRIPTION-CHOICE&caseId=18106D107MC022)

Shipman's name isnt' even on it and this is most likely becasue the ISP is handling Kelly's - I had been searching under Shipman's name.

**correction**

ZWICKEY, SHEILA Attorney Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106A1650-70)SNOW, P THOMAS Judge Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106J01)SEARCH WARRANT DEFENDANT Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106PD107MC022-1)STATE OF INDIANA Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106XS)

If I recall correctly one of the locals says Sheila Zwickey is the Assistant Prosecuter to Shipman - so my bad it was Shipman's office that requested it......hmmm, tricky little buggers, thought no one would find it this way perhaps???

[CvilleMom]

and HERE is the actual SW in DoxPop!!!!


ZWICKEY, SHEILA Attorney Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106A1650-70)SNOW, P THOMAS Judge Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106J01)SEARCH WARRANT DEFENDANT Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106PD107MC022-1)STATE OF INDIANA Cases (https://www.doxpop.com/prod/court/CourtQuery?cmd=get-actor-cases&actor_id=18106XS)

If I recall correctly one of the locals says Sheila Zwickey is the Assistant Prosecuter to Shipman - so my bad it was Shipman's office that requested it......hmmm, tricky little buggers, thought no one would find it this way perhaps???

Yes, Sheila Zwickey is also the one who signed the PC affadavit, she was on the scene (shown in pics) on the day of Kelly's death (Homicide)
She is the one in green.

Palladium-Item - www.pal-item.com - Richmond, Indiana (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=A0&Date=20070907&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES&ArtNo=907001&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1)

[gooniequeen]

Yep here she is

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709080302

And it says she's the "chief deputy prosecutor"

I wonder who will actual prosecute? Her or Shipman.

(side note - Ed is wearing a Philadephia shirt so he must be "ok") :woohoo:

[the bumblebug]

bumblebug is back
The last time I saw James he looked about 5'9" tall and perhaps 170 lbs. That was a few weeks ago. I hope that answers one question. Someone also asked me if I thought the two deaths were related. It appears to be two much of a coincidence not to be. Even if Kelly's death was of natural causes or by her own hand there would still be a cause and effect relationship. Her sisters death might have been more than she could handle,. Regarding James, let me say I was glad that someone posted the kind words spoken by his neighbors. I think it good to understand that even troubled folks can treat people well. James could best be described in these terms: If he were a car and there was only one pot hole on the street...he would not only hit it...he would then be bounced into a telephone pole. Kind of like the song "If it weren't for bad luck he'd have no luck at all. James was never what I call a planner or thinker. He would often have the good intent to do the right thing but he just never seemed to have the patience or dedication to complete the necessary tasks to accomplish his goals. Having said this ....and in spite of his lack of responsibility in certain areas....I feel sure he has a genuine love for his children. I know that sounds hard to believe because of what has been said about his inability to hold a job or pay child support...nonetheless I think it's true. The bottom line is that he hasn't been able to create for himself the kind of stability in his life that would lead to some sort of positive emotional growth. In other words, one might say he is troubled. It is my hope that he get a fair trial and that this event is brought to a just conclusion. I will pray for James, for the Stanley family, and most of all for Alexis.

[Al_B]

So true Al I forgot about that one (Taylor U) IF they did move it, where do you think it would go?
I think that all depends on money and what Wayne County has. But Jay Co. is only on the Other side of Blackford Co.
so it could be any where from 2 to 10 counties away. I figure they will stay southern though as it's most like it's own County I am not certain if a judge would look at county demographics to see if a county would have the same population make up or not for jury selection or not

[CvilleMom]

Sheila Zwickey is a great person, as well as prosecutor. She is very personable and warm hearted and seems to take her cases to heart. She works very close with the victims and family and gets their feel for what they desire to see happen and also uses that info in her conviction/sentencing proposals. I was the victim of a home burglary (ex b/f) and I spent countless hours on the phone with her. I feel we are in good hands (as stated before) IMO, She would be one I would desire to be on my side as opposed to against me...LOL

[Indiana at Heart]

I just wanted to say what a great job you are all doing on this thread http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54837

Keep up the good work and we will get all the answers as things come out!

[gooniequeen]

I was doing a little research on her and she started out as a Public Defender in the 80's before moving over to the Prosecuters office. I don't know why but this always interests me when attorneys "switch teams"

I also was reading the case of the guy Richard Bishop where she was the Prosectuer. She asked for 139 years and the guy was sentenced to 105. Appears she's hardcore. (good for her)

BB - I really do enjoy your posts. While i do lean more towards the lilkelyhood that James is involved, it will help to gain better perspective of him. And yes, I know folks who are his "type" as well and i know they would never harm a fly. so who knows.

I just hope like you he gets a fair trial, a level playing field (venue) and an excellent attorney. It would be a complete miscarriage of justice if he is not.



Sheila Zwickey is a great person, as well as prosecutor. She is very personable and warm hearted and seems to take her cases to heart. She works very close with the victims and family and gets their feel for what they desire to see happen and also uses that info in her conviction/sentencing proposals. I was the victim of a home burglary (ex b/f) and I spent countless hours on the phone with her. I feel we are in good hands (as stated before) IMO, She would be one I would desire to be on my side as opposed to against me...LOL

[DawnTCB]

Since I can't get into that doxpop site without paying for a subscription, I transcribed what is visible from the video link posted of the search warrant. Here's what we can see:

"AFFIDAVIT FOR A SEARCH WARRANT
The affiant, Andy Wandersee, of Centerville, Indiana, Police Department swears that he believes and has good cause to believe that evidence related to the homicide of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley is concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm, Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, described as a white with brown trim one story single family dwelling with a two car attached garage. Further evidence is likely to be located in a four door, 1992 grey Lumina with license plate ?9G1209 parked in the driveway at the residence.

Affiant learned in the course of his employment as an officer with the Centerville Police Department that 19 year-old Erin Stanley was found dead in her bed at 704 Elm in Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, on Saturday morning, September 1, 2007. An autopsy later that day determined the cause of death to be homicide. On September 7, 2007, affiant was sent to 704 Elm […] time to investigate the death of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley, the younger sister of Erin Stanley."

It appears to be dated September 7. It looks like there is at least 3 maybe 4 paragraphs below this one when the reporter holds up the sheet, but they do not do a close up on the lower half of the page. I did find it interesting that they classified Kelly's death as a homicide in this warrant.

[Indy Gal]

GREAT JOB DAWN!!! I cant wait until it is released as this is just the start. IMO we will see what items were taken from the home and car!

ETA would they say this in there if they believed that is what happened on that day? If only we could see the others! I have never wanted Monday to come so fast!!

[gooniequeen]

Thank you Dawn! Do your eyes hurt now :blowkiss:

[Indy Gal]

From this site and explanation I believe Shipman will be the one who does the trial.
http://www.co.wayne.in.us/prosecutor/index.html

Or maybe not?????

Here is another link but I am not seeing anything telling as to which may do the trial.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecution

[MelInTN]

Dawn, thank you so much!! Awesome job!

[CvilleMom]

It is IMO that the prosecutor (Michael Shipman) oversees all of the deputy prosecutors, but that each are assigned to specific courts and this case (IF tried) in Wayne County, would be tried in Superior 1, in which Sheila is the the Chief Deputy Prosecutor. In which also makes sense as to why she was the one to sign the PC affadavit.

[Indy Gal]

I am just so conused...not hard I know... Here in Indy our main pros. Also tries the high profile cases. I am starting to think the two Shipman/Shelia would maybe try this case together?

ETA I never knew this, learn something new everyday...LOL
The Prosecuting Attorney and Deputy Prosecuting Attorneys are law enforcement officers under Indiana law.

[Indy Gal]

Another Question.....Does he still have a chance to be appointed a PD? If not who will be paying for his lawyer, GF?

[SeriouslySearching]

If the search warrant stated it was a homicide then they change the ruling to be something else in Kelly's COD...can they still use the evidence collected in her death against James in Erin's homicide?

Can they use the evidence collected during the search of Kelly's death as evidence in Erin's case even if Kelly's COD remains homicide or is the evidence then exclusive to Kelly's case? I don't know how this would work since this type of case is so rare. Anyone?

(Sorry, if this sounds confused...it is. Hope you see what I am getting at here.)

[Littledeer]

Great finds ladies!! Was it Indy who said she couldn't wait for Monday????
Bet that's a first for you!!! LOL

bumblebug: Thank you for sharing the "humaneness" of James. It reveals another side/perspective of James that we would not have known about, without people who personally knew James coming here and sharing.

I also hope that James gets a fair trial and will be found guilty/not guilty based on facts alone.

[gooniequeen]

It is IMO that the prosecutor (Michael Shipman) oversees all of the deputy prosecutors, but that each are assigned to specific courts and this case (IF tried) in Wayne County, would be tried in Superior 1, in which Sheila is the the Chief Deputy Prosecutor. In which also makes sense as to why she was the one to sign the PC affadavit.

Now we just have to sit tight and wait for Kelly's autopsy and COD to be made public. If it is infact murder, you have to wonder why Shipman retracted the original statements made by the police and endorsed by his own prosecuter in the affidavit.

Interestingly enough, homicide does not always mean murder which makes this all the more interesting.

I'm not much into conspiracy theories, but this case just has something very strange about it. I mean the 911 tape for Erin, as far as I can tell there isn't anything too revealing so why would they want to supress it? And then there's Kelly's 911 recording. I think we're all pretty much in agreement that that is very fishy.

[gooniequeen]

Brilliant! Wouldn't that be a total disaster!

ETA: Perhaps though it says homicide, which to my understanding is any death caused by another (accidental or intentional) and I THINK it also includes suicide. If it has said "murder" that might have made it exclusive.

But I dont know, just throwing it out there.


If the search warrant stated it was a homicide then they change the ruling to be something else in Kelly's COD...can they still use the evidence collected in her death against James in Erin's homicide?

Can they use the evidence collected during the search of Kelly's death as evidence in Erin's case even if Kelly's COD remains homicide or is the evidence then exclusive to Kelly's case? I don't know how this would work since this type of case is so rare. Anyone?

[Littledeer]

Question of Law in Indiana:

If James is charged with Kelly's murder, do they try the two cases together or separately?? (One for Erin and one for Kelly)

[Indy Gal]

Question of Law in Indiana:

If James is charged with Kelly's murder, do they try the two cases together or separately?? (One for Erin and one for Kelly)
I believe he will have 2 trials. Off to learn more of Law...LOL By the time I get down watch out I could be your next lawyer...LOL

[Indy Gal]

SS you have stumped me! I have no frekin idea on how to search for an answer to your question. Anyone??

[Littledeer]

Indy:

Here's my retainer of 1 cent for your services if needed. LOL

[Indy Gal]

I do believe the reason it is listed as homicide is because that is what they thought until the autopsy came back.....Like SS said could this warrent now be invalid if is it proven this was not homicide???

[Indy Gal]

Indy:
Here's my retainer of 1 cent for your services if needed. LOL
:laugh: :laugh: I dont even get 2 cents? LOLOLOL

[Littledeer]

SS question will be ruled by the Judge. It usually is decided at the "discovery" phase of a trial if there is another case that is related to the case at hand. My mother used to work for a Judge and I beleive that was how it was handled. Of course, that is here in Ohio, so don't know if different states have different rules or if that is covered under a universal law.

IMO

[Littledeer]

Indy:

Your only on page 1 of learning law today! :)

[Indy Gal]

Thanks for helping us out LD! I couldnt find chit to say on way or another.

[SeriouslySearching]

SS you have stumped me! I have no frekin idea on how to search for an answer to your question. Anyone??I finally stumped you, huh?! :waitasec: LOL :eek:

It worries me as the guidelines are so strict about how evidence is handled in any case.

Thanks for the info, Littledeer! This should be a hot topic for the Judge.

[Littledeer]

I try Indy! I'll ask Mom today or tomorrow on this question.

[Littledeer]

Gotta go and finish up some errands. See you all later and keep sleuthing!!!

:)

[Al_B]

well so far I found case types
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/admin/courtmgmt/stats/1998/trialcourts/case_report.pdf
I will keep looking at the state codes

[Indy Gal]

I finally stumped you, huh?! :waitasec: LOL :eek:It worries me as the guidelines are so strict about how evidence is handled in any case.
LOL You ALWAYS keep my brain working!

It also worries me that if there was anything on that window or the scrren that it will be compermised(?) for 2 reasons. One they just put the screen on the ground as someone pointed out and two the way the reporters and anyone else was just able to walk up to it.

SS While you are here, BB brought up that the arrest warrent wasnt really much other than James was there ETC.... Is this normal? I do remember other cases and as he pointed out there should be more info in there. Am I wrong??

[gooniequeen]

interesting....

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Inferring+probable+cause:+Obtaining+a+search+warra nt+for+a+suspect's...-a083794813

Probable cause is a somewhat nebulous standard, yet officers are called on to apply that standard with some exactness each day. Many have tried to apply "a one size fits all" standard of probable cause to every situation, because they believe that probable cause is one consistent standard of proof that occupies a fixed point. In fact, probable cause offers a range of proofs that occupies a zone. (1) This zone allows for a flexible standard for probable cause, which depends on the circumstances. (2) Generally, the more serious the crime, the more latitude the police are allowed when deciding whether probable cause exists. (3)

IMO this means to me that bascially the officer just has to THINK a murder took place (and why wouldnt they seeing as Erin died 6 days prior in the same house) to go to the judge and request a Search Warrant. Seems the law gives them a pretty wide scope.

However, I'm still puzzled as SS said, if Kelly's death proves to not be a homicide can they use the evidence against him for Erin?

My thinking is they can use it, because this was not his residence or his property (the car) vs. if they used the SW for his home or his car...

does that make any sense?

ETA: Thinking of a way to rephrase this...

In other words - Could James' attorney at trial move to throw out evidence found by a search warrant that was not for James' personal residence or property. Or would it be moot since the evidence was found at the residence of the Stanley's?

[SeriouslySearching]

It also worries me that if there was anything on that window or the screen that it will be compromised for 2 reasons. One they just put the screen on the ground as someone pointed out and two the way the reporters and anyone else was just able to walk up to it.

SS While you are here, BB brought up that the arrest warrant wasnt really much other than James was there ETC.... Is this normal? I do remember other cases and as he/she pointed out there should be more info in there. Am I wrong??As far as the search warrants...they have to be specific in what they are collecting. There should be more. However, in these cases, nothing has been normal that LE has done! I think the warrants will lead to a lot of sidebars and heated discussions during trial/trials.

I agree with your statement on the outside of the window and screen being compromised leading me to believe whatever they found was on the inside of the window.

[Indy Gal]

Good point about the window "evidence" SS!! I guess I just got stuck on thinking it was the outside stuff. But now I am going back to my first statement. It could have been Fingerprints, Dna ETC.... If the window is even in evidence...LOL Hurry up Monday, wait I work 11 hour shift on Monday what am I thinking..LOL

[Al_B]

I think like with any murder case they can chose whether to try them together or not usually if they are uncertain in a case they won't list all the vic's in case they want to retry the person after a person has been tried and acquitted they can not retry for the same crime as double jeopardy then applies. I am still searching the evidence thing. I know past crimes can't be used against a person unless it allowed by the judge and then I think they have to show it's the same type of crime .
crime scene evidence I think you can serve as many warrants as you want on a location until all evidence they deem has been collected . 2 murders in one house I am not certain how they will divide evidence if they do the cases separately since both crime occurred in the same house and thats if they deem Kelly's death a homicide

[Indy Gal]

Great sleuthing AL!!! You may be the lawyer after this is all done. I am trying to read but it is so confusing to me at least

[CvilleMom]

Another Question.....Does he still have a chance to be appointed a PD? If not who will be paying for his lawyer, GF?

Why would he not have a chance to be provided with a PD?

"Anyone accused of a crime that can result in incarceration is entitled a lawyer. Because of that constitutional guarantee, federal and state governments must provide lawyers to the indigent accused of crime."


http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/opia/docs/guide-public-defender.pdf (http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/opia/docs/guide-public-defender.pdf)

[SeriouslySearching]

With the crimes taking place several days apart, it would seem to me that Erin's homicide would have to be tried as a separate case. Shouldn't this divide the evidence found in the warrants, too?

[Wrinkles]

Thinking after having caught up reading...

Dimples, AWESOME find on the fabric at the bottom of the window. That DID look like a towel to me, then someone else said they thought it looked like a towel too...interesting.

BusyLady, interesting towel trick thing from your husband, but I'm trying to get my brain around how it would fit into the whole scenario completely. The towel trick did make sense though...

Screen on the ground. Did we see the base of the screen once it was taken out? Was it placed "on the ground" or did LE put it onto a proper surface to protect evidence? It seems that if they were thinking to remove the window for evidence sake that they might also have protected the base of the screen.

DawnTCB, thanks so much for doing the work on the Affidavit for Search Warrant!!

Next question in my mind... At what time was the search warrant put together:

>>AFFIDAVIT FOR A SEARCH WARRANT (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1738260&postcount=87)
The affiant, Andy Wandersee, of Centerville, Indiana, Police Department swears that he believes and has good cause to believe that evidence related to the homicide of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley is concealed inside the residence<<

Now then, would that time be significant? Erin's autopsy began some 8 hours after the 911, if I recall (about 1PM). i.e. probably about 7 hours after she was pronounced dead. How soon was Kelly's autopsy begun after 8AM on the day she was found "deceased." AND did that search warrant get written up after it had begun (i.e. preliminary suspicious findings, maybe a crushed trachea too?) OR was it written up just based upon the two deaths in the same house of two healthy girls and in only 6 days?

Hmmmm...

So many of you have done such really phenomenal work on this.

W

[Indy Gal]

I believe, but wont be able to prove it as fact, that this was wrote up before/during the autopsy. This is the reason I want to see the others. The one we are talking about is dated Sept 7 th the day of kelly's death. I beieve they started back tracking as the autopsy didnt back up the thoughts?? Just trying to figure this out

ETA I am just thinking that when they get there, they already know erin was murdered so they immeditly get a search warrant. Which is why I would think it was done before or during her autopsy..

[gooniequeen]

Do you mean time of day? I know it was on 9/7...

[Al_B]

He will more then likely be appointed a public defender at his first listed court date. Some courts have you fill out a questionnaire in regards to property ,assets , and any thing else that can be sold to pay for legal defense

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Al, I am trying to search on so many things the small things are gettong confusing. You can ask SS it is ALWAYS the small things that get me...LOL For some reason I thought he already pleaded guilty which was confusing me even more.

So we will have to wait until Dec 10th to see.

http://www.in.gov/judiciary/about/06-courtprocess.html

Initial Hearing. Mr. Piper would then be brought before the judge in the county where he was arrested. If Mr. Piper had not yet secured an attorney before the trial, he would be appointed a Public Defender at his initial hearing. After consulting with his attorney, Mr. Piper would then enter a plea of guilty or not guilty. The judge will then release Mr. Piper on bail (http://www.in.gov/judiciary/about/glossary-body.shtm#bail), or Mr. Piper could be detained (http://www.in.gov/judiciary/about/glossary-body.shtm#detain) until his trial date.

[gooniequeen]

He will more then likely be appointed a public defender at his first listed court date. Some courts have you fill out a questionnaire in regards to property ,assets , and any thing else that can be sold to pay for legal defense

i read somewhere a bit earlier that actually he only has until 10/24 to find his own attorney or one will be appointed for him.

The link is posted ^^^ somewhere :)

[Indy Gal]

Hey guys he did plea which is what was throwing me off.
http://www.newslinkindiana.com/index.php?src=news&refno=1085&category=Headlines

CENTERVILLE-23 year old James McFarland of Centerville has entered a "not guilty" plea for being charged with the murder of his 19-year-old girlfriend, Erin Stanley.

How can he enter a plea without a lawyer??? Anyone??

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hecHuHdBTWA2VsvID_QeEkKlwNdgD8S6QF780
Circuit Judge David Kolger entered a not guilty plea on McFarland's behalf during an initial court hearing, a court employee said. Kolger set a pretrial hearing for Dec. 10.

With the above I am back to confused. It says in my above post that a PD will be appointed at inital hearing and that has happened. That is why I am asking he he is still maybe going to get one.

[Wrinkles]

Hiya GoonieQueen,

>>Do you mean time of day? I know it was on 9/7...<<

Precisely, time of day would be my question... IF it was prior to preliminary autopsy results, it may have been issued just due to the 2 deaths, same home, in one week. IF it was after the prelimary autopsy findings (i.e. pathologist might have contacted the authorities and said, "Uh guess what I found.") I would be curious to learn if LE waited just long enough into the autopsy to learn something confirming orginal gut, then said, "Uh huh, lets get to the house NOW!" On the other hand, what do I know :D

Wasn't there a log of police events that day? I wonder if that could add insight (i.e. when did they go back and collect the window). BUT it is the autopsies, the times, the findings, that I really want to see.

You know, I think it was ImNotTheOnlyOne that said, "I think he will sing" (referring to James.) I "think" that LE is keeping the release of certain findings on Kelly back as a type of keeping James in the dark about what they really know, "Look we have it on you buddy, confess and we'll give you a deal" kinda thing. Whether they do or do not have what is needed in Kelly's autopsy (OR if she was even murdered, which is my tendency to believe), is another question to me.

I do keep going back to James saying in the news article: (http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071002/NEWS01/710020302)

>>"The police have been checking me out pretty good and people been blaming me. But I didn't do it. I didn't kill none of them girls."<<

So did the police ask James, "Do you know how these girls died?" or "Do you have any idea who KILLED them?" If they did NOT phrase their queston like the latter, then I find the "I didn't kill none of them girls" (Lord Lord the misuse of English) very interesting, i.e. he knew "them girls" were killed but how would he know that when no one else did?

W

[Al_B]

OK then it happens like that sometimes
but he may still be required to fill out an asset questionnaire and then they may have a set pd for said court or they may have a rotation

[Al_B]

well I think a not guilty plea is standard and you don't need an attorney present for that

[Indy Gal]

Okay thanks Al you just answered most of my questions of the day...LOL

[Al_B]

So he could still be appointed one then?
yes and without choice it's a random act of the courts hope he isn't given a newbie cause that can leave room for a reversal if he is found guilty

[CvilleMom]

[quote=Indy Gal;1738433]Hey guys he did plea which is what was throwing me off.
http://www.newslinkindiana.com/index.php?src=news&refno=1085&category=Headlines

CENTERVILLE-23 year old James McFarland of Centerville has entered a "not guilty" plea for being charged with the murder of his 19-year-old girlfriend, Erin Stanley.

How can he enter a plea without a lawyer??? Anyone?? [quote]

The initial court appearance is called and arraignment, that is set only for the state to read the charges, seek to find need of PD, (at which time they are given an application to fill out to see if they are in fact eligible for a PD)ask an initial plea, to set bond (if there is one to be set) and to set further court appearances. This, I believe is standard procedure on court appearances.
Arraignment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arraignment)

Arraignment - Findlaw for the Public - (http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/criminal_stages/criminal_arraignment/)

[DawnTCB]

Ok, forgive me if this is a hopelessly ignorant question, but why is it that the news media had the search warrant over a month ago but it is not anywhere that we can read it? Why wouldn't the tv stations post it online or something? It is just not making sense to me?

:waitasec::waitasec:

[Al_B]

can any one in Wayne County and check if these are the public defenders listed they are at the bottom
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/pdc/docs/roster-cc-lead.pdf

[Indy Gal]

Why wouldn't the tv stations post it online or something?
:waitasec::waitasec:
I believe they might on Monday! Maybe...LOL

[Indy Gal]

Al this is what I got in a search for PD in wayne county----Just one name. It is a small town is it possible they only have one?
http://www.co.wayne.in.us/offices/
Public DefenderDiane Williams(765) 973-9263

[Busylady]

In the reading of this article IMO the search warrant was done before the autopsy. To me Shipman is saying cant call both homicide because autopsy didnt confirm the inital beliefs of the officers.

The document, released Sept. 14, adds vaguely that the sisters appear to have died “by similar action on the part of another party.” It says officers were seeking DNA, a computer the sisters shared and other items that could shed light on “the perpetrator of these offenses.” And it uses the word “homicide” in referring to each death.

In e-mails sent Thursday, however, Shipman cautioned against calling both sisters' deaths homicides, noting that an autopsy on Kelly Stanley was inconclusive.

“The pathologist's observations during Kelly Stanley's autopsy did not confirm the initial beliefs of the officers,” Shipman said in his e-mail.

http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/SE/20070921/NEWS/709210309

[Busylady]

This is kinda strange the person who signed the warrant Sue Anne Lower is shown on the directory as handling small claims, traffic, and voter registration?

[Al_B]

did any one post the rules of evidence ,if not here
http://www.in.gov/judiciary/rules/evidence/evidence.pdf

[gooniequeen]

This is kinda strange the person who signed the warrant Sue Anne Lower is shown on the directory as handling small claims, traffic, and voter registration?

She's most likely the clerk of courts. I mean i would have assumed a judge would sign it himself ...but maybe he did rule in favor and then the clerk of courts draws up the actual warrant?

[Indy Gal]

This is kinda strange the person who signed the warrant Sue Anne Lower is shown on the directory as handling small claims, traffic, and voter registration?
I do believe she is the court clerk. Maybe this is what the clerks do for the Judge??
http://www.co.wayne.in.us/clerk/

The Clerk processes and issues documents for court cases:

* Criminal documents include arrest warrants; jailer's
releases; commitments to jail and correctional
facilities; change, release and forfeiture of bond
forms; bondsman ordered to produce notification;
and transport orders.

[Al_B]

This is kinda strange the person who signed the warrant Sue Anne Lower is shown on the directory as handling small claims, traffic, and voter registration?
no she is the clerk
clerks do all the filing of said judicial paperwork the clerk stamps and sends it along make sure it is filed and all that

[Busylady]

I also looked through the court calendar for Superior Court I hoping it would show when the search warrant was ruled on so we could get a time frame, but its probably one of those things done in Judges Chambers type thing have no clue how they go about getting a warrant.

[readr60]

Wayne county covers quite a large area. (hagerstown,richmond,centerville,cambridge...) There are quite a few Public Defenders that the county utilizes):crazy:

[Busylady]

Ok that makes sense if she is the court clerk, didnt look that far was just going off the directory should of known better lol.

[Indy Gal]

Wayne county covers quite a large area. (hagerstown,richmond,centerville,cambridge...) There are quite a few Public Defenders that the county utilizes):crazy:
Thanks, I just cant find any others...LOL I knew there had to be more than one:doh:

[DawnTCB]

I believe they might on Monday! Maybe...LOL

Ok, but that video I transcribed the screenshot from was dated 9-17-07... are we saying no one in the world thought that piece of paper was important enough to post somewhere, or is it being withheld for some reason?

Dawn

[CvilleMom]

Al this is what I got in a search for PD in wayne county----Just one name. It is a small town is it possible they only have one?
http://www.co.wayne.in.us/offices/
Public DefenderDiane Williams(765) 973-9263

Diane Williams is the office director, there is more than one attorney in Wayne County who are public defenders.

[Indy Gal]

Good question. I do not have the answer though... Maybe because it contains incorrect info? I have no clue just asking.

[Indiana at Heart]

She's most likely the clerk of courts. I mean i would have assumed a judge would sign it himself ...but maybe he did rule in favor and then the clerk of courts draws up the actual warrant?


She is the clerk of courts

[imnotheonlyone]

Bumblebug, can we ask.... have you had contact with James since his arrest?

[Al_B]

as far as I know from experience the clerk files what is presented to the court something like a warrant I would guess would have to be signed by a judge wouldn't it

when I filed for pro se case on my daughters I filed with the court through the clerk and had to have everything in 3's was a pain in the bum then I found a nice attorney who helped me pro bono

[imnotheonlyone]

Ok, so.... did someone say that they are suppose to receive the search warrant copies on Monday?

[imnotheonlyone]

Someone mentioned that they are a CASA - are you from Wayne County? The reason I ask is because DOXPROP is free to CASA/GALs - I signed up for an account, but I doubt they will grant access as I'm not from Indiana.

[Indy Gal]

We are hoping!!!!

[imnotheonlyone]

We are hoping!!!!

Did someone make a records request, or .... are we hoping that it's posted online somewhere tomorrow?

[Indy Gal]

Did someone make a records request, or .... are we hoping that it's posted online somewhere tomorrow?
BOTH, IndyLaw I think said as soon as it was sent to them(on fri i think) that they would post it. I am also thinking that one of the many news channels will post it, I really hope!

[imnotheonlyone]

BOTH, IndyLaw I think said as soon as it was sent to them(on fri i think) that they would post it. I am also thinking that one of the many news channels will post it, I really hope!

Me too - this is drivin' me nuts...:(

[Littledeer]

If I am not mistake it was L L & S that worked with CASA. I also do the same along with my mom and daughter here in Ohio. Will have to go back through the threads and see who is actually was though.

AL B: You are correct in the Clerk of Court's position and duties. So won't answer that question.

[Littledeer]

dang, that should be mistaken and not mistake in my previous post!!! slippery fingers! :)

[Indiana at Heart]

Hopefully we will have some new this week. This case is taking too long! I've beat my head alot on this case. I just want Justice for these two girls.

We all want facts! The truth will come out!

[Indy Gal]

Indiana I assure you this is only the start of a very long road ahead. More than likely the trial wont start in Jan as expected. One of my cases happened in June and we are still waiting for a trial to start. Unless he just tells all, I believe we have a while....

[Littledeer]

Indy:

You are now up to 2 cents! LOL

[Indy Gal]

:laugh: :laugh: :blowkiss: Indy:You are now up to 2 cents! LOL
YAY ME!!

[Littledeer]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Since I don't see any discussion on theories on Kelly's death, has that been announced as a murder?

If not, then we still need to discuss that along with Jame's upcoming trial.

It sure would be nice to be able to separate this thread to two forums:

[Indiana at Heart]

Yeah a long road ahead I'm sure with you there!! This family has been threw so much. And I have even said things I shouldn't of said but we are all looking for answers. I love this site and hope to see it around for years to come!!

We all have different opinions and opinions are like a$$hole we all have one! (Nothing agaist anyone so don't take it the wrong way people)

[Littledeer]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Since I don't see any discussion on theories on Kelly's death, has that been announced as a murder?

If not, then we still need to discuss that along with Jame's upcoming trial.

It sure would be nice to be able to separate this thread to two forums:

1.) Arrest made in Erin Stanley case

2.) Kelly Stanley Found Dead in Her Home 6 days After Sister's Death.

Then when LE also charges James in Kelly's death we can merge them to:

[Littledeer]

darn slippery fingers again!

Trial in Stanley Sisters Deaths

[Indy Gal]

Well this is the thread for erin so this is for Kelly

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1738759#post1738759

[Busylady]

Littledeer cause of death has not been announced for Kelly they are waiting for the final autopsy results.

[Littledeer]

:laugh: :laugh: :blowkiss:

Right back ya Indy.

[HAWG]

A quetion that I keep coming back to is what could be in the car that they got the warrent for??????

[Indy Gal]

Well this is the thread for erin so this is for Kelly

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1738759#post1738759
Thinking you guys are missing this....LOL

[Wrinkles]

Quick Question:

http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html

If WHIO TV was able to receive a copy of the search warrant, is this not public information now? IF it is, can we not write to WHIO and ask them if they might provide that file OR ask the Pal-Item if they would do so? Am I like re-asking something that has already been asked?

W

[Littledeer]

BL:

Thanks. That is what I thought. Which led me to the remark of the lack of discussion of Kelly's death.

That is also why I brought about separating this discussion to two different forums.

I am still new here, so don't know how this works in a case where there are TWO SEPARATE EVENTS HAPPENING AT THE SAME TIME.

[Indy Gal]

Quick Question:it is, can we not write to WHIO and ask them if they might provide that file OR ask the Pal-Item if they would do so? W
Please do!!!!

[Busylady]

I am not sure, only thing I can come up with is it was the last place she was before she passed away? I cant remember but seems there have been reports that the search warrant states memory devices, cell phones, computer,and hard drive, maybe they wanted to cover all bases in case any of those items were in the car?

A quetion that I keep coming back to is what could be in the car that they got the warrent for??????

[Littledeer]

INDY!!!!!

You are now officially up to $1.00 an hour for separating the discussion!!

LOL

Inflation does hurt though! :)

[Indiana at Heart]

A quetion that I keep coming back to is what could be in the car that they got the warrent for??????

Hawg thats what I want to know!! That is the weird part of it :banghead: :banghead:

[Littledeer]

HAWG:

I had asked earlier if anyone knew of the time that Kelly left work and the time she came home. Got no response, so can assume that no one knows that.

Based on that, I would think LE also does not know that....so it would be logical to check out the car. IMO Who knows if someone else was in it during the time from leaving work to arriving at home??

[Indiana at Heart]

Thinking you guys are missing this....LOL


Wow been gone to long didn't know about that tread thanks Indy

[Indy Gal]

HMMMM You guys wanted a seperate thread, yet no one is asking these questions there....LOL HAWG I answered your question over there. Although I really have no facts to my thoughts

[Al_B]

it could be for anything not in plain sight. I know I keep more then just insurance and registration in my car. could also be for hair and fibers. Notebooks anything that she might have written anything down about her sisters.

[Littledeer]

Also, another thought that just came to me.

Probably way off base here. But supposedly a neighbor saw them fighting and heard from James, to move the car.

We still don't know what car...............anything on that matter.

Was the car that Kelly drove to work, the car that James drove (IF HE DID) that day after their fight??

IMO The car being in the search affidavent means SOMETHING!!

[Indiana at Heart]

HAWG:

I had asked earlier if anyone knew of the time that Kelly left work and the time she came home. Got no response, so can assume that no one knows that.

Based on that, I would think LE also does not know that....so it would be logical to check out the car. IMO Who knows if someone else was in it during the time from leaving work to arriving at home??



I could be wrong but I believe it was said in another tread she worked til 11 pm on Sept 6th

[HAWG]

Thanks that is on the line of what Im thinking. My head is starting to hurt if you know what I mean. Had to fight the the old man for the computer!!!! I won LOL

[imnotheonlyone]

A quetion that I keep coming back to is what could be in the car that they got the warrent for??????

Me too HAWG - have you spoke to LE following James' arrest?

[imnotheonlyone]

Thanks that is on the line of what Im thinking. My head is starting to hurt if you know what I mean. Had to fight the the old man for the computer!!!! I won LOL

This I can be very thankful for, I don't have to fight for the computer...yet - :crazy:

[HAWG]

NO I think they fogot my number maybe I should call them. LOL

[Indiana at Heart]

Thanks that is on the line of what Im thinking. My head is starting to hurt if you know what I mean. Had to fight the the old man for the computer!!!! I won LOL


I don't have to fight for computer time. Mine hubby and one for kids LOL now the kids have to fight for there time!!!!:laugh: :laugh:

[Littledeer]

HAWG:

Don't want your head to hurt worse...........but there is another thread going on for Kelly. Bookmark it if you want.

How is everyone doing?? Have the "kids" set a date yet? Yes, I know they are not kids any more, but mine are 22, 24, 28, 32 and 34. THEY ARE STILL KIDS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!! :)

[HAWG]

HAWG:

Don't want your head to hurt worse...........but there is another thread going on for Kelly. Bookmark it if you want.

How is everyone doing?? Have the "kids" set a date yet? Yes, I know they are not kids any more, but mine are 22, 24, 28, 32 and 34. THEY ARE STILL KIDS AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED!! :)
Thanks I sure will. They havent set a date yet. Yes they are still kids to me also!!!! The ring is beautiful:woohoo: :woohoo:

[Littledeer]

HAWG:

We are all happy here for you and the family!! I know this has been very hard for you, but we are here still searching for answers and justice for both Erin and Kelly.

As I mentioned earlier, there has been another forum (thread) set up for Kelly. However, we will also be back here for Erin.

[Indy Gal]

I do believe I see a new poster from Richmond registering here!!!! Cant wait until they are done and we can hear what they have to say!!

[HAWG]

HAWG:

We are all happy here for you and the family!! I know this has been very hard for you, but we are here still searching for answers and justice for both Erin and Kelly.

As I mentioned earlier, there has been another forum (thread) set up for Kelly. However, we will also be back here for Erin.
Thanks allI want is justice for Erin and Kelly whoever this sad case turns out!!!!

[cardionurse]

Can any locals identify the other people in the 1st picture? Do Centerville police usually work in blue jeans and t-shirts??

Yep here she is

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007709080302

And it says she's the "chief deputy prosecutor"

I wonder who will actual prosecute? Her or Shipman.

(side note - Ed is wearing a Philadephia shirt so he must be "ok") :woohoo:

[Indy Gal]

Can any locals identify the other people in the 1st picture? Do Centerville police usually work in blue jeans and t-shirts??
Det Ed and the CDP Shelia.

[cardionurse]

Sorry, I gave the link to the wrong picture. You must have thought I was blind asking that question. :-)

This is the picture I was referring to.
http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Site=A0&Date=20070907&Category=PHOTOGALLERIES&ArtNo=907001&Ref=PH&Params=Itemnr=1

There's 3 other people in the picture. One in uniform and two in street clothes.

[Indy Gal]

Det ed, shelia, guy wearing a badge or gun(?) and cop, can not make out man behind cop. Guy unknow does have badge/gun on so I just assume he is with LE???

[imnotheonlyone]

NO I think they fogot my number maybe I should call them. LOL

I would - what have ya got to lose?

[greeneyz]

I keep thinking of the "various computer sites" that Kelly was helping the LE "gain access to" Aside from the Myspace accounts I wonder what those sites could be? And what evidence they could possibly hold? Unless there were private emails or messages that Kelly was able to log into under Erin's screen name? I have searched all over and the only sites I have come up with so far is the Myspace accounts of all three (James, Erin and Kelly)

[cardionurse]

Maybe there was information in emails that would clarify the motive. I still wonder if James had any enemies out there that were looking to even the score with him and Kelly knew who they were. Possible Erin knew more than she should and was going to talk, so he felt the need to silence her.
Do we know if he was in to drug dealing?

There was information in previous posts that Erin met him at the WC fair last July, which means she must have gotten pregnant very soon after meeting him. Does anyone know where they lived from July 06 to Aug 07? Were they living with the Stanleys or traveling back and forth between Ohio and Indiana? I would think they stayed close to Centerville for OB appointments and baby was born in Richmond (April, 07)

[HAWG]

From my understanding they lived at the home up until they went to Ohio.

[Al_B]

I don't remember if this has been asked or not,did James smoke,drink or use drugs at all?

[HAWG]

He smoked cig but as for drinking and drugs dont know because alot can happen in a two years time since he was around here.

[Al_B]

ok any one if any one in the Stanley family smoked ?

[HAWG]

Are we thinking the same thing that there may have been a cig but in car from James?????

[Al_B]

no but could is possible there was thinking more along the lines late at night may have been smoking in the house with the window up and open disrespectful I know but does happen and if he drank or used he could have been sneaking in and out of the house in the past which would have left things open so to say.

[HAWG]

Could be, who knows with teenagers!!!

[Al_B]

but I am just going off what I know a lot of the slackers here use and are prone to breaking laws like burglery and such they use drugs,drink etc. so I had to ask he was old enough to drink and if he did things the rest of the family didn't it would cause tension especially if he was using her for money and everything else. I know it has in my house with my daughters step sisters from their dads side I cut them off and it's because of their loser boyfriends cause to me they are grown men and should be taking care of them and not the other way around

[HAWG]

AMEN!!! If you are going to have those habits you better get a job to sopport those habits!!!

[Al_B]

this is off topic but the one step sister of the girls. works goes to highschool and takes care of a 23 yr old man who is in and out of trouble and I suspect there is some abuse going on too. the other sister there is abuse and I told her I wouldn't help her is she was around him . These aren't my step kids and they have 2 living parents I didn't mind helping them out at times but it got to be where thats all they came over for and I was like ah no you have to help yourself and if you are going to have the dead weight dragging you down then thats your problem. I got my own kids to take care of and they got grown men who should be helping them if they want to be with them

[gooniequeen]

Greetings Sleuthers!

I am traveling on buisiness this week but did just receive a message from the reporter at the PI who i had asked for a copy of the affidavit from. I bascially got a very quick (and not so friendly) reply from him and no copy of the affidavit. :mad:

So if anyone else can get their hands on it that would be great.

[CvilleMom]

Greetings Sleuthers!

I am traveling on buisiness this week but did just receive a message from the reporter at the PI who i had asked for a copy of the affidavit from. I bascially got a very quick (and not so friendly) reply from him and no copy of the affidavit. :mad:

So if anyone else can get their hands on it that would be great.

I just sent an e~mail to WHIO-TV requesting a copy of the SW, it was their site in which I originally found the video that showed part of it. Just have to wait and see if I hear anything back from them.

[Wrinkles]

To the gang...

I emailed the following to WHIOTV at 7online@whiotv.com
Perhaps some of you can join me?

>>
Greetings,

On Sept. 17th, the following was posted online:
http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html

Upon that page is a video with Meredith Taylor reporting. In that report, Meredith holds up an "Affidavit for Search Warrant" in the Stanley case. Since your station has a copy of that affidavit, would it be possible for you to post that document (perhaps in pdf format) upon your website, and such that it can be read by your site visitors? If so, might I be informed where it can be found once posted?

I join a multitude of people across the nation who are very closely watching this case. We hope to learn that law enforcement is vigorously pursuing answers. Further, we are in hopes that justice will be served appropriately for Erin and for Kelly, should it be learned that she is also a victim of homicide.

Those of us watching count upon responsible and agressive investigative reporting from news channels such as yours. Thank you for staying on this case.
<<

There you go IndyGal! DONE!

EDITED: CvilleMom, you and I were obviously working on the same thing at the same time! WELL DONE MOMMA!

[centervillejustice]

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To the gang...

I emailed the following to WHIOTV at 7online@whiotv.com
Perhaps some of you can join me?

>>


I just sent a request in to WHIO also. Hope we hear back soon from them.

[lovemykids]

Someone on the PI forum said that Erin and Kelly had facebook pages too.

[HAWG]

I seen that that is probley who Indy said was trying to get logged on last night. We need all the help we can get!!!!

[lovemykids]

I'm on facebook now.....found Kellys but not Erins and I can't access it because you have to be a high school student to get in her network. Let me try something else........

[imnotheonlyone]

Just got on, haven't looked through the last few pages, but has anyone located a SW yet?

[centervillejustice]

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Just got on, haven't looked through the last few pages, but has anyone located a SW yet?


I haven't seen it posted where anyone has located SW yet.

[HAWG]

No someone is trying to E-M the station that aired it. Still waiting for reply

[imnotheonlyone]

No someone is trying to E-M the station that aired it. Still waiting for reply

I am almost registered at DOXPOP, will post as soon as I'm on

[Indy Gal]

Hey guys not that this is going to slow me down, but I may not be here as often as I usually am. This is why....LOL
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54977

[miss_vegemite]

Hey guys not that this is going to slow me down, but I may not be here as often as I usually am. This is why....LOL
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54977
:clap: That's wonderful news Indy..I wish you and bubs the very best...my fingers and toes are crossed for you both:)

[miss_vegemite]

[quote=Wrinkles;1739852]To the gang...

I emailed the following to WHIOTV at 7online@whiotv.com
Perhaps some of you can join me?

I have just sent an email to WHIOTV as well...on behalf of AUSTRALIA hehe... hope they listen to us:)

[Indiana at Heart]

What are the facts on this
Did James keep baby A when they took Erin to Hosptial (per James interview in newspaper)

Or did baby A go to a neighbor has some as posted!

I would like to know the facts on that.

Also I give up with the PI foums they get nasty by the day and they don't always say fact or otherwise. I just want Justice for these two girls and thier familys.

[miss_vegemite]

What are the facts on this
Did James keep baby A when they took Erin to Hosptial (per James interview in newspaper)

Or did baby A go to a neighbor has some as posted!

I would like to know the facts on that.

Also I give up with the PI foums they get nasty by the day and they don't always say fact or otherwise. I just want Justice for these two girls and thier familys.

I am thinking we don't have the facts yet on whether James was with A..whilst Erin taken to the hospital? I may have missed something along the way, but I am pretty sure we do not know one way or the other!

I occasionally scan the PI forum and errr:rolleyes: the lack of education is mindblowing... It's like one BIG BRAWL session over there lol.. I feel as if we are the private school and they are the public school (no offence intended, JMO)...

[Indy Gal]

Thank you Thank you for this MODS!!! I work late again today but when I get home I will help out in making us some threads here if it hasnt been done already! Thanks Again MODS!!

[FormerRichmondRes]

Thank you Thank you for this MODS!!! I work late again today but when I get home I will help out in making us some threads here if it hasnt been done already! Thanks Again MODS!!

:clap::clap::clap:

[centervillejustice]

I got an email from a relative of mine that lives two blocks from the Stanley's and I thought I'd share it with you. Has anyone heard anything about a rape that happened in Centerville that hasn't been made public? Part of my email I received is below:

Just a lot of rumors............ I think the boy friend did both of them .
at least he is in Jail.... ...
there has been a rape in town and no one is talking about that..
(I removed her husband's name) went to the town meeting and it was in the police report..but did not say any if the details.of it

[Littledeer]

Indy & Miss V:

IMO from reading past threads, there has b