Death of Kelly Stanley, Indiana

[Indy Gal]

Since we have one for Erin it would be nice to seperate the two cases as right now they are not connected. MODS If this is wrong, please move and know that I am sorry...

[Indy Gal]

Kelly was found 6 days after her sister Erin was murdered. Her death has NOT been ruled a murder yet! The first autopsy was inconclusive and we are awaiting for additional test to come back!

[Indy Gal]

Hawg brought up a good question in Erins thread. What kind of evidence could they be looking for in her car?
These are only my thought as I have no facts
1.CPU disks
2. Purse
3. Medication she was taking
4. Fingerprints
5. DNA

[Indy Gal]

http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/ori..._sisters1.html
The pathologist has not determined the second death as a homicide," Shipman told the Associated Press. "And until the pathologist determines it to be a homicide, I am unwilling to name anyone in that particular investigation."

According to police, Kelly was already dead when they arrived on the scene. Unlike Erin's death, police did not hesitate to label her sister's as suspicious.

According to Shipman, the results of Kelly's autopsy were inconclusive. The pathologist has asked for additional toxicology analysis, and he has formally requested to examine photographs of Kelly's bedroom.
"Requesting the photographs is very common," Shipman told Indystar.com. "The additional testing means that he is testing for something different than what was originally tested for."

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dl...470/-1/LOCAL17

Shipman, the prosecutor, said investigators continue to wait for a determination on how Kelly Stanley died. Toxicology reports came back "clean," meaning they showed no signs of alcohol or drugs, Shipman has said.
Now, additional toxicology tests are being done, and the pathologist working on the case is discussing it with other pathologists, Shipman said.

[Busylady]

Just found this, dont know how accurate of a source this is

An autopsy performed Sept. 8 on Kelly Stanley came back with inconclusive results

If this is correct then it means the warrant was issued before the autopsy.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070918/LOCAL/70918022/0/LOCAL18&template=printart

[Indy Gal]

Kelly's MySpace Page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=12042210)

Dispatch information from Kelly's 911 Call (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1706272&postcount=469)

[Indy Gal]

I believe the warrant WAS issued before the autopsy. I seriously think the reason it is listed as homicide is because of Erins death. We NOW know that they dont know if it was homicide or not.

[Busylady]

I totally agree!!!

I believe the warrant WAS issued before the autopsy. I seriously think the reason it is listed as homicide is because of Erins death. We NOW know that they dont know if it was homicide or not.

[CvilleMom]

911 call adds details in Centerville deaths (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070918/LOCAL/70918022/0/LOCAL18&template=printart)

But, this article that was printed on September 18th states that "Kelly's death is also believed to be a homicide.

"Kelly Stanley was helping police in the investigation of her sister's death, according to an affidavit for a search warrant of the Stanley home that was released Friday by Wayne County officials.

Kelly Stanley's death is also believed to be a homicide."

[Indiana at Heart]

Ok Indy somewhere I seen some facts listed for Erin and Kelly can you post Kelly facts here please

[Indy Gal]

Kelly Stanley's death is also believed to be a homicide."
Shipman, the prosecutor, said investigators continue to wait for a determination on how Kelly Stanley died.

October 11, 2007 http://www.crimelibrary.com/news/original/1007/1101_stanley_sisters1.html
The pathologist has not determined the second death as a homicide," Shipman told the Associated Press. "And until the pathologist determines it to be a homicide, I am unwilling to name anyone in that particular investigation."

[Littledeer]

But then they backed off on the "homicide" theory and said it was labeled "suspucious" at one time.

I beleive that we will need to wait for the "official" autospy" reports to know if Kelly died from someone else's hands or from another source. (medical, etc.)

The window comes into play here for Kelly, along with the search addivative (sp?) for her car. Two critical items in Kelly's death. IMO

[Indy Gal]

I beleive that we will need to wait for the "official" autospy" reports to know if Kelly died from someone else's hands or from another source. (medical, etc.)
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Very well said. No one but the person doing the autopsy knows how she died at this point. I am starting to believe that since the autopsy came back inconclusive, the two were not connected. As James didnt kill Kelly.

Question if it turns out she committed suicide(which I dont believe) Would James somehow be charged? He WOULD be indirectly connected if that is what happened.

[Busylady]

This pretty much just confirms the search warrant autopsy thing, apparently they were in the process of issuing search warrant when the 911 call came in, guess they just changed it and added Kellys death.

Kelly 911 Transcript
The printout shows that the 911 call came from the Stanley home, but does not say who the caller is. Comments have been entered by several people in this report. The called was received at 8:05 am on September 7, 2007.

Entry: "Not breathing"

Entry: "18 Y/O female"

Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

Entry: "Laying on the bed. Caller advising that she cannot touch her."

Entry: "CM4 called dispatch and advised he didn't want it on the radio but female has been 10-0 for some time."

Entry: "Req 89-300" (coroner)

Entry: "Looks suspicious per cm4."

There are also entries for a prosecutor being contacted and officer being at prosecutor's office for search warrant. There is an entry mentioning James McFarland person of interest.

[Indy Gal]

Entry: "Laying on the bed. .
Maybe now we can put to bed the rumor that she was half on half off the bed as it has been stated many times. I have never read anything about how they found her except that she was in bed. If I am wrong about this PLEASE!! provide a link where it says she was half on half off bed!

[Littledeer]

WOW

Step out to the ladies room and say HI to hubby (nice to pop in once in a while to keep him calm) :) and you guys bring to this forum all this information!!!

GREAT JOB!!!!

Indy:

When you say "indirectly" charged...........are you thinking that he could be charged for Kelly commiting suicide if that is what the final diagnosis is of Kelly's death????

[Indy Gal]

I am wondering if that is even possible??? Does anyone know this???

[Littledeer]

Indy:

I know for a fact that ONE OF THE GIRLS WAS HALF ON AND HALF OFF THE BED::

Will need to go back and read threads to see if it was Erin or Kelly.

This is why I thought having a separate thread would be helpful.

[Indy Gal]

[quote=Littledeer;1738883]Indy:I know for a fact that ONE OF THE GIRLS WAS HALF ON AND HALF OFF THE BEDquote]
Please do because I cant find it and I swear this was not reported, only said here by a local, no links. I have read all links to news tonight and I dont see it mentioned even once.:confused:

[Al_B]

I don't know about Indiana I know some states they can but not sure if it's because of Kevorkian (spelling) assisted suicides, cause I sure would have sued a few people in my ex's suicide

[Busylady]

I think it may of come from here but its from a friend who told someone something who then told someone else kinda thing. Thread 2 -post 290

[mysteriew]

We have always assumed that the search warrant for the car was due to Kelly's death. But what if it was really related to Erin's death.
Had Erin been driving that car since her return?
Interviews for Erin's death were still being conducted when Kelly died. What if someone told LE that an incident (James hitting Erin in the car or something similar.) By the time they got the interview and applied for the warrant, then when Kelly died we all just assumed it was related to Kelly's death.
My reasoning is don't they have to have some indication that evidence might be present in order to get a warrant? So something pointed them to the car. And then it takes some time to get the warrant written and put through the system. Then Kelly died and it was assumed that the warrant was looking for something re her death.
The only other possibility that I wondered about is that maybe someone may have seen James confront Kelly or seen him near her car while she was at work.

The coroner, the inconclusive autopsy, the new toxicology and the pictures of the bedroom. The coroner's request for pictures of the bedroom- maybe to determine the source for fibers found? New toxicology- we assume it is to search for more drugs- but could it be to do a more indepth search for the chemical changes that might be present during suffocation? Inconclusive autopsy- isn't suffocation one of the causes of death that is hardest for a coroner to determine?

[Indy Gal]

Great thinking MV!!!!! Very possible IMO that the car warrant isnt even related to Kellys death!!

[Busylady]

Very very good point mysteriew, because the search warrant was already in process before they knew of kelly's death so chances are the car has more to do with Erins death then Kellys.

[Busylady]

You know how when you go back and reread things for the millionth time you see things you didnt notice before. On the transcription of the 911 call it says

Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

I always thought it meant she was not on a cordless phone and couldnt reach her, but this says with a cordless phone she cannot get to her? Why couldn't Lonny get to the daughter? Maybe holding baby, maybe in shock?

[Indy Gal]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1699501&postcount=290

here is the post about the way kelly was found. While I do value ALL local info, it is just hard to believe something that is said around town. Too many times I have believed stuff in other cases that were far from the truth. Ya'll Might think I am like a link Nazi or something but I only go off facts listed by LE! I hope you guys dont misunderstand this, I am only interested in facts. But hey if this was the case, I will personally write this poster and tell them I was sorry I didnt believe them. I have dont that many times before.

[HAWG]

Thats what Im wondering is if they issued the warrent for Erin or if it was for Kelly????:bang: :bang: :bang:

[CvilleMom]

I don't know about that if were suicide, I do know that they can charge someone with murder in the event of a crime being committed by more than one person and one ends up being killed in the process, even if they didn't do it directly, we recently had that happen in Cambridge City, a drug store was being robbed by 2 suspects and one of them was shot and killed by police and they charged the other one with his murder, but not so sure that would stick in this case, IF it were to end up being suicide, in which is the furthest from my opinion.

[Indy Gal]

We agree CM, I dont believe for a second she died of suicide!!! But I had to bring it up as anything is possible. I like to think of every single thing that could have happened. Sometimes wrong, sometimes right. But Most times one persons theories have been correct in other crimes.

[Busylady]

The suicide thing does make me think of the Nancy Grace story - could a wrongful death suit be brought? (if this is found to be a suicide) In Nancy Grace story, a women committed suicide after taping an interview for Nancy Grace show and they are claiming the former prosecutor's questioning of the woman contributed to her death.

[Indy Gal]

I know that for fact they can file a wrongful death suit, but what about criminal charges??? BTW Busy that is what got me to start thinking of it here..LOL Two great minds....

[CvilleMom]

We agree CM, I dont believe for a second she died of suicide!!! But I had to bring it up as anything is possible. I like to think of every single thing that could have happened. Sometimes wrong, sometimes right. But Most times one persons theories have been correct in other crimes.

Indy, I understand your reasoning for bringing it up, and I too agree that all angles need to be looked at...I was simply answering your question about the possibility of charges being filed if that were the case, and in the end I also was giving my opinion as well. And I also am sure that when this is all figured out that someone's theory will have been correct.

[Busylady]

Was there ever an obituiary for Kelly and I have just missed it?

[Littledeer]

Good thought on the car having something to do with Erin's death as opposed to Kelly's based on time of affidavit and other circumstances!!!

With only 6 days separating these 2 deaths, it does become confusing!! How to connect facts either separately or do they connect together??

Have to go now...........be back tomorrow. Keep up the Sleuthing!!!!

[DawnTCB]

Here's my transcript of the top third of the page of the search warrant for Kelly shown in the video here (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html).

" AFFIDAVIT FOR A SEARCH WARRANT
The affiant, Andy Wandersee, of Centerville, Indiana, Police Department swears that he believes and has good cause to believe that evidence related to the homicide of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley is concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm, Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, described as a white with brown trim one story single family dwelling with a two car attached garage. Further evidence is likely to be located in a four door, 1992 grey Lumina with license plate ?9G1209 parked in the driveway at the residence.

Affiant learned in the course of his employment as an officer with the Centerville Police Department that 19 year-old Erin Stanley was found dead in her bed at 704 Elm in Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, on Saturday morning, September 1, 2007. An autopsy later that day determined the cause of death to be homicide. On September 7, 2007, affiant was sent to 704 Elm […] time to investigate the death of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley, the younger sister of Erin Stanley."

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Dawn for the reminder, they WERE looking at the car in referance to Kellys death!! Again great job with that transcipt!!

[Indy Gal]

I do believe I see a new poster from Richmond registering here!!!! Cant wait until they are done and we can hear what they have to say!!

[Indiana at Heart]

We have always assumed that the search warrant for the car was due to Kelly's death. But what if it was really related to Erin's death.
Had Erin been driving that car since her return?
Interviews for Erin's death were still being conducted when Kelly died. What if someone told LE that an incident (James hitting Erin in the car or something similar.) By the time they got the interview and applied for the warrant, then when Kelly died we all just assumed it was related to Kelly's death.
My reasoning is don't they have to have some indication that evidence might be present in order to get a warrant? So something pointed them to the car. And then it takes some time to get the warrant written and put through the system. Then Kelly died and it was assumed that the warrant was looking for something re her death.
The only other possibility that I wondered about is that maybe someone may have seen James confront Kelly or seen him near her car while she was at work.

The coroner, the inconclusive autopsy, the new toxicology and the pictures of the bedroom. The coroner's request for pictures of the bedroom- maybe to determine the source for fibers found? New toxicology- we assume it is to search for more drugs- but could it be to do a more indepth search for the chemical changes that might be present during suffocation? Inconclusive autopsy- isn't suffocation one of the causes of death that is hardest for a coroner to determine?



She had been back in Indiana only hours before her death

[HAWG]

Yes thanks What would I do without you guys keeping me straight???LOL

[Indy Gal]

That is what is wonderful here HAWG!! We work together to get down to the cold hard truth!

[HAWG]

Thats What Im talkn about Willis!!!LOL

[Indy Gal]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thats What Im talkn about Willis!!!LOL

[Busylady]

James myspace appears to now be private, was hoping to see if anymore of his friends or family had posted any comments.

[Indy Gal]

James myspace appears to now be private.
Log in silly...LOLOLOL:blowkiss:

[mysteriew]

Here's my transcript of the top third of the page of the search warrant for Kelly shown in the video here (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html).

" AFFIDAVIT FOR A SEARCH WARRANT
The affiant, Andy Wandersee, of Centerville, Indiana, Police Department swears that he believes and has good cause to believe that evidence related to the homicide of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley is concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm, Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, described as a white with brown trim one story single family dwelling with a two car attached garage. Further evidence is likely to be located in a four door, 1992 grey Lumina with license plate ?9G1209 parked in the driveway at the residence.

Affiant learned in the course of his employment as an officer with the Centerville Police Department that 19 year-old Erin Stanley was found dead in her bed at 704 Elm in Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, on Saturday morning, September 1, 2007. An autopsy later that day determined the cause of death to be homicide. On September 7, 2007, affiant was sent to 704 Elm […] time to investigate the death of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley, the younger sister of Erin Stanley."

Thanks Dawn. So they were looking at the car for Kelly. But it does look like they are looking for something specific, and something they think was 'likely' to be in the car. How soon after Kelly's death did they apply for the warrant? Could Kelly have called the officers and told them she had something, probably some evidence in Erin's death? Since they got the warrant for both the house and the car? (motive for her death)
Or was the search of the home routine because of a crime being committed there, and the search of the car because James was either seen confronting Kelly or seen in and around the car?

[Busylady]

OOPS!!!!!!!:doh: :doh:

Log in silly...LOLOLOL:blowkiss:

[Busylady]

Don't know exact time they applied for warrant, but at the bottom of the 911 transcript call for Kelly it states something to the effect of prosecutor notified, officer at prosecutors office for search warrant.

Thanks Dawn. So they were looking at the car for Kelly. But it does look like they are looking for something specific, and something they think was 'likely' to be in the car. How soon after Kelly's death did they apply for the warrant? Could Kelly have called the officers and told them she had something, probably some evidence in Erin's death? Since they got the warrant for both the house and the car? (motive for her death)
Or was the search of the home routine because of a crime being committed there, and the search of the car because James was either seen confronting Kelly or seen in and around the car?

[mysteriew]

Don't know exact time they applied for warrant, but at the bottom of the 911 transcript call for Kelly it states something to the effect of prosecutor notified, officer at prosecutors office for search warrant.

So they knew almost immediately after Kelly's death that they wanted the warrant on the home and the car? And they are looking for something specific- this is a presumption on my part. It sounds like Kelly had told them she had something and after she died they wanted to make sure that they got their hands on it quickly.

Because the home was a possible crime scene, they would have had access anyway. If Kelly had something they must have felt she would have hidden it somewhere, it wouldn't be in plain sight, maybe not in her room. That may have been the reason they went for a warrant even though they already had access to the scene in her room.

[SeriouslySearching]

I was going through this whole story to fill my mom in and when I heard it as I was telling her...it sounds even more bizarre!

She said, "He probably killed the first sister and maybe the second sister was trying to recreate the scene then accidently killed herself." Hmmmm...one theory I haven't heard mentioned at least.

[Indy Gal]

Never once did I think of that!! Please tell your mom you need no help puzzling my mind! LOLOLOL

[SeriouslySearching]

Never once did I think of that!! Please tell your mom you need no help puzzling my mind! LOLOLOLI know! Last time I tell her about these cases!!! LOL :doh: The bad part is that it ALMOST makes sense. I don't think it is possible...but hey...this case is as strange as they get.

[Indy Gal]

I know! Last time I tell her about these cases!!! LOL :doh:
No, No maybe you should sign her up, then she could get us both:laugh: :D

[Wrinkles]

Greetings BusyLady, oh you are ON!

You wrote:
>>
Entry: "Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone. 5 mo old only other person in the house."

I always thought it meant she was not on a cordless phone and couldnt reach her, but this says with a cordless phone she cannot get to her? Why couldn't Lonny get to the daughter? Maybe holding baby, maybe in shock?
<<

Maybe the room was a disaster and there had been a sign of a big struggle and there was furniture and/or other things moved hither and thither?

IndyGal found the message (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1699501&postcount=290) that stated the half on and half off the bed. WITHIN that same message was this posted by Richmond resident aloc63:

>>It was obvious that a struggle had occurred.<<

Hmmmmmmm hmmmmm, HUMMM!

W

[Mysticchic]

I was going through this whole story to fill my mom in and when I heard it as I was telling her...it sounds even more bizarre!

She said, "He probably killed the first sister and maybe the second sister was trying to recreate the scene then accidently killed herself." Hmmmm...one theory I haven't heard mentioned at least.

Are you back and doing good? PM me!!

[Busylady]

I wouldnt of thought of that, but it does make you think doesnt it.

I was going through this whole story to fill my mom in and when I heard it as I was telling her...it sounds even more bizarre!

She said, "He probably killed the first sister and maybe the second sister was trying to recreate the scene then accidently killed herself." Hmmmm...one theory I haven't heard mentioned at least.

[Busylady]

Wrinkles, that could be possible but if things were thrown around and that big of a mess, I will really have a hard time buying that no one heard anything.

[Busylady]

Sorry had another thought after I responded Wrinkles, I would think when Lonny went to wake her up, if things were thrown around she would of moved mountains to get to her daughter before calling 911.

[Indy Gal]

Wrinkles, great eye you have! My only concern with the rumors that have been said, is some if true would compermise the investigation. As tight lipped as LE has been in this case i wouldnt think this kind of info would be getting around town. IMO the only person that knows this as fact would be Lonny. I just dont see her telling people in the town about something like this as it would hurt the case further down the road. Wouldnt it? I am not sure about this one, do you know?

[Wrinkles]

Hiya BusyLady,

Good point about the noise, but I am still really confused about exactly "when" Kelly's time of death was, and where Lonny and Dale were at the time. Maybe Lonny took Dale to work? Maybe Lonny went shopping early AM? I'm just very unclear on these things.

W

[Indy Gal]

W~~~ while I am not sure I have been "guessing Time of death about 1-3 hours before being found. Only by response of mom not wanting to touch her and that they could tell she was dead by looks.

[Bobbisangel]

I think that by the state of Kelly's room and her condition that LE knew right away that it was a murder. That is why LE made some of the statements that they did right afterward. Then the Pros came in just like he did in Erin's case and back tracked. I think they all know Kelly was murdered but the cornor is having a hard time trying to figure out how he did it. And yes, suffocation is one of the hardest things to prove unless they can find fibers in her airway or throat...mouth. The cornor must be looking for something in particuliar to prove that she was smothered with a pillow or something like that. It is good that he/she is consulting with others in the same profession. I think that in the end the will say that Kelly was murdered.

Didn't Kelly drive the car to work that day or evening? James has probably been in that car before so they must be looking for something that will tie him to the murder besides fingerprints, etc. I will be shocked if he isn't the one responsible for Kelly's death. Those two girls dying 6 days apart speaks pretty loudly to me. I still believe that Kelly confronted James at some point on her last day alive. Whether it was in the car, on the phone, or at the house is yet to be determined but I think she really set him off. I think she would have done whatever needed to be done, in her mind ,to prove who killed her sister.

[imnotheonlyone]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: Very well said. No one but the person doing the autopsy knows how she died at this point. I am starting to believe that since the autopsy came back inconclusive, the two were not connected. As James didnt kill Kelly.

Question if it turns out she committed suicide(which I dont believe) Would James somehow be charged? He WOULD be indirectly connected if that is what happened.

absolutely not, suicide is not a crime

[imnotheonlyone]

I don't know about Indiana I know some states they can but not sure if it's because of Kevorkian (spelling) assisted suicides, cause I sure would have sued a few people in my ex's suicide

Assisting in a suicide is a crime (depending on where you live), but committing suicide is not - and... even if Kelly did take her own life, James would not have "assisted" her in doing so. His actions may have been a direct link to the suicide (if it was, I don't believe so), but he didn't "assist" per say

[centervillejustice]

Can someone tell me what time Dale left for work and if Lonny was working the night before Kelly died? If she was do you know what time she got home that morning? If Kelly had been dead for awhile then it seems to me that she died sometime between Dale leaving for work and Lonny getting home. Just wondering how long between his leaving and her returning. Lots of good posts on here today. Finally got caught up reading them.

[Al_B]

Assisting in a suicide is a crime (depending on where you live), but committing suicide is not - and... even if Kelly did take her own life, James would not have "assisted" her in doing so. His actions may have been a direct link to the suicide (if it was, I don't believe so), but he didn't "assist" per say
I understand that and I understand sometimes you can sue for failing to prevent and enabling the act
granted they are civil suits and it's not unheard of to do. However with who is being discussed I don't think anything could come except maybe a wrongful death type civil suit

http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2006/09/05/suicide
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/12/22/national/main662423.shtml

[Indy Gal]

Off to bed guys, keep up all the good work!! I work most of the day tomorrow so I wont be around until later~~~~

[CvilleMom]

Off to bed guys, keep up all the good work!! I work most of the day tomorrow so I wont be around until later~~~~

G'night Indy...Pleasant Dreams!

[Busylady]

It has been stated that Lonny had not returned to work yet, and have read that Dale left for work around 6:15 (but that is not fact).

Can someone tell me what time Dale left for work and if Lonny was working the night before Kelly died? If she was do you know what time she got home that morning? If Kelly had been dead for awhile then it seems to me that she died sometime between Dale leaving for work and Lonny getting home. Just wondering how long between his leaving and her returning. Lots of good posts on here today. Finally got caught up reading them.

[Wrinkles]

Hello BusyLady and all,

BusyLady, you wrote:
>>if things were thrown around she would of moved mountains to get to her daughter before calling 911.<<

I understand your thinking, good point... But I have to wonder what might have prevented her? Might a dresser or chair been propped against the door to keep it from opening? Perhaps she was only able to push the door in a little and see something, but she didn't have the ability to push it in further? i.e. perhaps it hung up against something else in the room? Might she have been able to push it in just far enough to see Kelly's body, then noticed that it was lifeless and/or maybe even affected by rigor? Did she at that point feel that she had a murder scene on her hands and she shouldn't disturb it?

I think that it would be possible for someone with strength to pick up and place something against a door without making noise. I also think that it would be possible for someone to quietly search a room. This would be particularly true if Kelly had already been murdered (if that is the case.) WITH the door blocked, IF someone was searching the room, and heard footsteps toward the room or someone trying to open the door, they could probably bolt out the window (if there were one and it had been prepared for escape.) The item against the door might have been placed there to buy a perp time to do a search, but escape quickly.

So looking at this again...
>>Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone.<<

A cordless phone leaves us untethered, so why couldn't she get to her? I wonder if others can throw their thoughts in here with ours, what might this mean?

Having said the above, IF there was something placed up against the door, if there did appear to be a struggle in the room, then how did the perp (if there was one, and a struggle seems it would indicate one) exit the room? Was there a window in the room, is that the window that was removed? Was there another doorway exiting the room?

It would certainly be helpful if one of Kelly's friends could let us know about the room, i.e. doors, windows, if the removed window was hers or a hallway door. Still wish we had a definite layout of that house, walls, windows, doors, bathroom, kitchen, halls etc.

Again thinking... IF Lonny initially revealed some things during that 911 call that ONLY the perp would know (if there was a perp), like "there is a dresser against the door" etc., it makes perfect sense why the 911 call would not be released i.e. isn't it, sometimes, upon slipping up on saying that which has NOT yet been released to the public that a perp is often caught? On the other hand, it is one thing to say a 911 call will not be released, and another thing to say it didn't get recorded due to an equipment failure. BUT...haven't I read that LE can lie at times if it is pertinent to the investigation or preservation of a case?

W

[CvilleMom]

Good Morning to all!!

W..you wrote
"It would certainly be helpful if one of Kelly's friends could let us know about the room, i.e. doors, windows, if the removed window was hers or a hallway door. Still wish we had a definite layout of that house, walls, windows, doors, bathroom, kitchen, halls etc."

That has been confirmed that it was Kelly's bedroom window that was removed and then boarded.

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I'm certain that one of the locals said that window was in the hallway. It was in one of the earlier threads.


"that window was kelly's bedroom window."

[SeriouslySearching]

Wrinkles~ I think the person typing that into the system simply made a mistake. I believe they did mean she was on a land line with a cord and could not reach her because she didn't have her cordless phone.

I think we are possibly reading too much into it.

[TGIRecovered]

Wrinkles-

My first thought upon reading that she couldn't get to the victim and she was on a cordless phone was that the 911 dispatcher found this important to note because it seemed strange.

In other words, say you are taking the call and you ask the caller if the victim is blue, still breathing, cold to the touch etc. and they tell you they can't touch the victim. You suggest the caller get the cordless phone and the caller says "I am on the cordless". If I were the dispatcher I would find this strange, especially in light of the fact that this is the second time in a week that Lonny has had to call 911 for one of her kids and there was an issue with her not using the cordless and being unhelpful in ascessing the condition of the first daughter because she "couldn't reach her". Now here she is, on the cordless this time and still "Can't reach her".
It is just weird.

I'm not implying Mom had anything to do with murder, just that Mom seems to be strangely inefficient. Almost as if she would rather not be involved and so chooses to be incompetent.

Not bashing, just observing!

Susan

[CvilleMom]

I just sent an e~mail to WHIO-TV requesting a copy of the SW, it was their site in which I originally found the video that showed part of it. Just have to wait and see if I hear anything back from them, I felt it was worth a shot as we know from the video that they do in fact have it. I work this afternoon and will not be home til later tonight, but will post if I hear anything from them.

[TGIRecovered]

Wrinkles~ I think the person typing that into the system simply made a mistake. I believe they did mean she was on a land line with a cord and could not reach her because she didn't have her cordless phone. Didn't they say later in the call she went to go switch phones or something?

I think we are possibly reading too much into it.

SS, that happened in the first call for Erin. This is why I find it so strange that she also could not reach Kelly, since she was all too aware that dispatch would be asking questions which would require her to have access to Kelly while she was on the phone.

This time, she apparently remembered to use the cordless, and still she couldn't help the dispatcher to ascess the victim.

Susan

[HAWG]

Or just maybe she didnt want the baby to see her aunt that way I know that would be my first thought.

[FormerRichmondRes]

If I were the dispatcher I would find this strange, especially in light of the fact that this is the second time in a week that this former nurse has had to call 911 for one of her kids and there was an issue with her not using the cordless and being unhelpful in ascessing the condition of the first daughter because she "couldn't reach her".

I believe we have determined that Lonny was never a nurse. I think someone may have said Lonny's mother was a nurse, and that Lonny had worked in nursing homes in the past - but she is not a nurse.

Others - correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was determined.

[centervillejustice]

I believe we have determined that Lonny was never a nurse. I think someone may have said Lonny's mother was a nurse, and that Lonny had worked in nursing homes in the past - but she is not a nurse.

Others - correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was determined.

Someone said somewhere that it was Lonny's mother who was the nurse. I read it in a post that Lonny's aunt ( I think)had posted, maybe in PI post.

[joyfulmorning]

In the 911 call of Erin's death Lonnie says toward the end that she is going to go get the cordless phone. In the notes of the 911 call for Kelly it says that comp can not reach her with a cordless phone. Maybe Lonnie just knew that it was too late by looking at her and with the events of Erin's death, she knew not to touch anything?

[TGIRecovered]

I believe we have determined that Lonny was never a nurse. I think someone may have said Lonny's mother was a nurse, and that Lonny had worked in nursing homes in the past - but she is not a nurse.

Others - correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was determined.


Thanks for correcting me...I must have missed some posts.

I edited out the nurse part so it is fixed now.

Susan

[gooniequeen]

hi gang!


I just caught myself up and have a few thoughts.

1. With the phone. I tend to agree with SS that Lonny was on the landline (again) and this is what the operator meant - meaning she can't get to her with a cordless phone, becasue she's not on a cordless phone. I also have to say at least in my house - time and time again my cordless phone is left off the charger and quite frequently is dead so I have to use my cell phone (sorry no landline for me)

2. If god forbid I was in Lonny's position, I cannot tell you that I would be able to get to my child either, if they appeared obviously dead, which according to the notes was obvious to someone (request the coroner) I panic very easily even if my children get hurt. I pass out at the sign of blood or boken bones and would SURELY freak out if I saw someone dead. However I'd also be incoherent, which we all know (at least for Erin Lonny was not)

3. Regarding the dog...oddly enough the night before last when we were all debating the "dog" and the fact that the dog didn't make a fuss....I had put my dog (who is a barker and we've heard from a neighbor that the Stanley's dog is also a barker) in the laundry room for the night. So I go upstairs and get in bed and over the next 30 minutes the dog is barking away in the laundry room (on and off) and I was saying to myself "shut up ya damn dog" and then it occurred to me that a lot of people with yappy dogs IGNORE their dogs. Kind of like those pesky car alarms. So that's just a thought.

OK that's it for now. I really wish we had a copy of that search warrant...

[centervillejustice]

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No someone is trying to E-M the station that aired it. Still waiting for reply
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[gooniequeen]

:) Hi CVJ

yep I read that - just wish we HAD it in our hot little hands. :dance:

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:) Hi CVJ

yep I read that - just wish we HAD it in our hot little hands. :dance:
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Me too. Can't wait to read it.

[HAWG]

Im trying to be pacient but it is hard!!!!!LOL

[centervillejustice]

It's been awhile since she posted that so maybe soon she will post something. Until then we sit on needles and pins! lol

[HAWG]

I cant hardly even sit. LOL

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I cant hardly even sit. LOL




lol

[gooniequeen]

who are we waiting on? I saw a bunch of people were trying to get it...i know someone has DOXPOP but can't remember....:D

[HAWG]

CentervilleJustice is waiting to get reg.

[gooniequeen]

CentervilleJustice is waiting to get reg.

huh? Oy I'm confused. CVJ said she's waiting too? Do you mean CVMom? (ha ha so many CVs)

[HAWG]

post #81

[HAWG]

Imnotheonlyone posted it over on the Erin site Im sorry.

[centervillejustice]

Imnotheonlyone isn't signed on but hope when she does sign on she has the SW. Seems like no matter what we do in life there is always waiting involved....don't you just hate that! lol

[HAWG]

YES!!! So why we are waiting here is something to think about.
you know how James changed his myspace the night of Erins death, Well what if Kelly was just being a teenager and she changed it and it caused even more problems between Erin and James. So after the death of Erin, Kelly was helping the LE with sites and she told them about what she had done and they know that Kelly did it but didnt think anything of it. Butt James figured it had to be Kelly and that is what triggered him???? Just a thought of what if????

[gooniequeen]

YES!!! So why we are waiting here is something to think about.
you know how James changed his myspace the night of Erins death, Well what if Kelly was just being a teenager and she changed it and it caused even more problems between Erin and James. So after the death of Erin, Kelly was helping the LE with sites and she told them about what she had done and they know that Kelly did it but didnt think anything of it. Butt James figured it had to be Kelly and that is what triggered him???? Just a thought of what if????

I think this theory was brought up earlier as well...however Kelly's grammar appears to be MUCH better than James'. I think James did it to piss Erin off actually. I think James/Erin had a fight (about moving back to Cville and the reasons for that and Erin's parents "issues" with James) and either Erin said "we're over" or James did and then he changed his MS page to reflect "single"

To me that seems more likely a reflection of what happened and age appropriate for kins in their late teens early 20's. It's also a classic defense mechanism people who feel rejected will use - the "oh so you dont want me? Fine I'll find someone else) Either way, SOMETHING happened between James/Erin those last 24-48 hours leading up to her death and I'm sure will all point to motive.

[Busylady]

The fighting that ocurred the night before her death is something I don't think we will ever get the true details of. There are so many possibilities, Did Erin defend James and was angry at her parents for not allowing James to stay there? Did Erin tell her parents if you won't let James stay here then im leaving with him and taking the baby with me? Was Erin angry with James about not having a job and wasnt standing up for him during the fight? Part of me feels like if Erin was not supporting him and not defending him against her parents, James would of just walked out the house that night and not been asleep in the same bed? But its something I don't think we will ever know.

I might be missing something also, and I am not totally familar with house myspace works, but how do we know he changed his myspace the night of Erins death. Are we talking about changing it August 31st or Sept 1st. Im just confused how anyone would know that except for a very select few, people in the town didnt even know about her death until Sept 2nd after reading an obituary so its not like people would of had a reason to look at his myspace a day before the death and the day of her death to know it was changed? Hope this makes sense I think I have even managed to confuse myself lol.

[centervillejustice]

If your talking about it saying he's single, that was probably put on when he joined myspace. He was single so I don't think that's anything to be concerned about.

[finally]

A couple of quick things. First, the search warrant??? for Kelly's car. What if something was taken from the car to the home that was used in the bedroom scene. Perhaps Kelly was found with something obvious from the car. Maybe they needed the SW to get finger prints to tie the car part to Kelly's death. Second, maybe Lonny said that she couldn't touch her because it was a obvious homicide scene to her, and she didn't want to destroy evidence.

[Bobbisangel]

During the 911 call for Kelly didn't Lonnie say "I can't touch her" or something to that affect? I took that to mean that she couldn't bring herself to touch Kelly knowing that she was dead. I couldn't have brought myself to touch my daughter either so I can understand her feeling that way...especially after she had just been through the same thing 6 days before. I can't even imagine being in that mom's shoes. I think I would have just been numb.

[finally]

Yes, people forget that she saw both daughters in their rooms deceased. How horrific for a parent. I still think the "can't touch her" pertains to not so much she won't touch her, but she can't as in shouldn't.

[finally]

one more thing. the "missing" 911 call might have had many details as to what the scene was like, my daughter is __________, she has a ______ on/at/near _____, I know ________ killed her, etc.

[lovemykids]

I remember seeing somewhere in a post that when Lonny called 911 about Kelly that her first comment was " James has done it again" and also the reason she said she couldn't touch her was because she didn't want to mess up any evidence. I can't for the life of me find the post and I know I didn't dream it up. Also read SOMEWHEREEEEEEE that that's the reason they are saying the 911 call was not recorded ( Lonny accusing James). Maybe it was just someones theory or a rumor I really don't know. I wasn't going to post this until I found the actual post it came from but I decided to in the hopes that someone on here had seen the post too. I hope it's ok that I did. :confused:

[Busylady]

Here is a transcript of an interview which I hadnt seen before with Greta, on October 10, 2007 scroll part way down the page to find, it starts out with a transcript of the 911 call from Erin but then goes into discussion about Kelly.

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007214&docId=l:683366950&start=20

[Busylady]

I think the whole story of the 911 call not being recorded is a bit fishy, but if they were holding it back because of evidence, I can't imagine them releasing a bogus transcript either. In my opinion they would just not release anything at all on the 911 call.

[Indy Gal]

Hey guys not that this is going to slow me down, but I may not be here as often as I usually am. This is why....LOL
http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54977

[FormerRichmondRes]

Here is a transcript of an interview which I hadnt seen before with Greta, on October 10, 2007 scroll part way down the page to find, it starts out with a transcript of the 911 call from Erin but then goes into discussion about Kelly.

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007214&docId=l:683366950&start=20

Great job! Can you please post this link on the timeline thread as well?

[imnotheonlyone]

I shouldn't have said anything until my DOXPOP account was set up - I'm sorry guys ... it's free to CASA/GAL volunteers, and everything is ready to go except that I cannot get my scanner to work, and the only other piece of information they need is my certificate - I will scan it in first thing in the morning (work) and get it off to them, they said it will take less than an hour to get the account going after they receive it.

Sorry

[Indy Gal]

You guys are great!! Busy is sure Busy as a bee as always! I just want those damn warrants already, why are they not releasing them? I dont remember having to wait so long in other cases, could just be me being impaitent....LOL

INTOO(?LOL) GREAT job trying to get those warrants for us. I guess we all should have just signed up the pther night like we were saying...LOL

[miss_vegemite]

Hello BusyLady and all,

Might a dresser or chair been propped against the door to keep it from opening? Perhaps she was only able to push the door in a little and see something, but she didn't have the ability to push it in further? i.e. perhaps it hung up against something else in the room? Might she have been able to push it in just far enough to see Kelly's body, then noticed that it was lifeless and/or maybe even affected by rigor?

I think that it would be possible for someone with strength to pick up and place something against a door without making noise. I also think that it would be possible for someone to quietly search a room. This would be particularly true if Kelly had already been murdered (if that is the case.) WITH the door blocked, IF someone was searching the room, and heard footsteps toward the room or someone trying to open the door, they could probably bolt out the window (if there were one and it had been prepared for escape.) The item against the door might have been placed there to buy a perp time to do a search, but escape quickly.

So looking at this again...
>>Comp cannot get to her with a cordless phone.<<

A cordless phone leaves us untethered, so why couldn't she get to her? I wonder if others can throw their thoughts in here with ours, what might this mean?


W

Wrinkles, what you said makes a LOT of sense to me. I have to agree that is a likely scenario to me..OR, did Kelly's bedroom door have a lock on it? Was the bedroom locked and the mother, upon hearing baby crying and dog etc...try to open it, but couldn't so ran around side of house to Kelly's window and looked in? Maybe the first paramedic or police on the scene had to climb through window (ie.towel on sill) to open her door up?

[CvilleMom]

I just got in from work, and as I posted prior to leaving for work today that I had sent an e~mail to WHIO-TV asking for a copy of the SW, I was soooooooo hoping to find it in my e~mail tonight when I got home, but nothing. Not even a response.:(

[SeriouslySearching]

WOOHOO! We finally got a forum!!! Now maybe I can keep things straight!! Thank you, Mods!!!

[miss_vegemite]

I am :blushing: to admit this...but I couldn't find our new forum LOL...it took me ages. I was getting a little frantic while searching around this site...talk about a newbie:confused:

[Indiana at Heart]

Where is Indylaw. I know she could get us the SW information!

[Indiana at Heart]

I am :blushing: to admit this...but I couldn't find our new forum LOL...it took me ages. I was getting a little frantic while searching around this site...talk about a newbie:confused:

Breath MV you made it now!:woohoo:

[miss_vegemite]

Breath MV you made it now!:woohoo:
:eek:before......and:woohoo: after!

[IndyLaw]

Where is Indylaw. I know she could get us the SW information!

Doxpop doesn't have links to the actual docs and it only has the court filings. I looked last night and the search warrant doesn't appear. It has the dates for a pre-trial conference (I think) and a trial date.

[imnotheonlyone]

You guys are great!! Busy is sure Busy as a bee as always! I just want those damn warrants already, why are they not releasing them? I dont remember having to wait so long in other cases, could just be me being impaitent....LOL

INTOO(?LOL) GREAT job trying to get those warrants for us. I guess we all should have just signed up the pther night like we were saying...LOL


???????

[imnotheonlyone]

Doxpop doesn't have links to the actual docs and it only has the court filings. I looked last night and the search warrant doesn't appear. It has the dates for a pre-trial conference (I think) and a trial date.

Are you the one who has an account? And nothing shows?

[imnotheonlyone]

Wrinkles, what you said makes a LOT of sense to me. I have to agree that is a likely scenario to me..OR, did Kelly's bedroom door have a lock on it? Was the bedroom locked and the mother, upon hearing baby crying and dog etc...try to open it, but couldn't so ran around side of house to Kelly's window and looked in? Maybe the first paramedic or police on the scene had to climb through window (ie.towel on sill) to open her door up?

THIS is an excellent theory - excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[IndyLaw]

Are you the one who has an account? And nothing shows?

Right. It's just the CCS.

[IndyLaw]

I should have also added that search warrants are issued under seal and are generally unsealed after they have been executed. However, the judge has the power to seal them after execution and exclude them from the public record. That may be what has happened here, but I can't be sure.

[imnotheonlyone]

Is someone local able to call and ask whether the search warrants have been sealed or not?

[centervillejustice]

I got an email from a relative of mine that lives two blocks from the Stanley's and I thought I'd share it with you. Has anyone heard anything about a rape that happened in Centerville that hasn't been made public? Part of my email I received is below:

Just a lot of rumors............ I think the boy friend did both of them .
at least he is in Jail.... ...
there has been a rape in town and no one is talking about that..
(I removed her husband's name) went to the town meeting and it was in the police report..but did not say any if the details.of it

[imnotheonlyone]

I got an email from a relative of mine that lives two blocks from the Stanley's and I thought I'd share it with you. Has anyone heard anything about a rape that happened in Centerville that hasn't been made public? Part of my email I received is below:

Just a lot of rumors............ I think the boy friend did both of them .
at least he is in Jail.... ...
there has been a rape in town and no one is talking about that..
(I removed her husband's name) went to the town meeting and it was in the police report..but did not say any if the details.of it

Please ask your friend for more details - date of town meeting, etc. - the last minutes posted were from Sept. 11

[imnotheonlyone]

I got an email from a relative of mine that lives two blocks from the Stanley's and I thought I'd share it with you. Has anyone heard anything about a rape that happened in Centerville that hasn't been made public? Part of my email I received is below:

Just a lot of rumors............ I think the boy friend did both of them .
at least he is in Jail.... ...
there has been a rape in town and no one is talking about that..
(I removed her husband's name) went to the town meeting and it was in the police report..but did not say any if the details.of it

These are the only LE related notes that I see from the Sept. 11th meeting:

Chief Larry Hart gave the Police Department report for August: 3 accidents; 1 battery; 1 burglary residence; 4 criminal mischief; 1 forgery; 3 incident; 6 theft; 2 vehicle theft. Arrest report: 1 warrant Preble County; 1 M.C.A.B.; 1 warrant Randolph County; 1 public intoxication; 1
CM 9-11-07 (con’t.) Page 2

delinquent curfew and mischief; 1 residential burglary; 1 intimidation; 1 O.X.I.; 1 theft; and 1 D.C. There were issued 14 state tickets, 1 town warning ticket, 25 total vehicle stops, 170 total calls, and 5,126 total miles driven.

[pooky169]

Great Idea mods for putting all of this in one section so we don't have to look all over for the threads!!!!!!!! I just think this tragedy gets more complicated by the minute and I wish there would be more info as to what happened. It seems to me Centerville tries to keep things hidden maybe they don't want all the bad stuff coming out so the town looks like a perfect little town. I mean things can and do happen all over it doesn't make me anymore scared to go to Centerville or anywhere else I live in Richmond and we have alot more going on and I feel safe here.


And a lil off topic I am glad Chester Stiles has been arrested maybe he will fry for what he has done I feel sorry for that innocent little girl,


Now we just need justice for Erin and Kelly!!!!!!!!
Prayers for Alexis!!!

[centervillejustice]

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I got an email from a relative of mine that lives two blocks from the Stanley's and I thought I'd share it with you. Has anyone heard anything about a rape that happened in Centerville that hasn't been made public? Part of my email I received is below:

Just a lot of rumors............ I think the boy friend did both of them .
at least he is in Jail.... ...
there has been a rape in town and no one is talking about that..
(I removed her husband's name) went to the town meeting and it was in the police report..but did not say any if the details.of it

Please ask your friend for more details - date of town meeting, etc. - the last minutes posted were from Sept. 11


I will ask her and see if she remembers the date that the meeting was held.

[Littledeer]

Ok. So thus far, we have no verification of the sealed warrant and now what might be a "cover up" of a rape.

I am confused!! HELLO PEOPLE, THIS IS TUESDAY 10/16/07, and the pathologists STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RULE CAUSE OF DEATH???

Sorry, venting.

[imnotheonlyone]

Ok. So thus far, we have no verification of the sealed warrant and now what might be a "cover up" of a rape.

I am confused!! HELLO PEOPLE, THIS IS TUESDAY 10/16/07, and the pathologists STILL HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO RULE CAUSE OF DEATH???

Sorry, venting.

What's up today, no one's around?!?!?! I too can't believe this - what the heck is going on?

[imnotheonlyone]

Bumble, are you around?

[Littledeer]

I don't know where everyone is on this case. But it will NOT BE FORGOTTEN!!!!!

We are still waiting for the Search Warrant............and the final autospy report!!!!

From those those documents, we can then figure out how sweet Kelly's life was ended far too early!! (along with all other facts we have accumulated so far)

[imnotheonlyone]

I don't know where everyone is on this case. But it will NOT BE FORGOTTEN!!!!!

We are still waiting for the Search Warrant............and the final autospy report!!!!

From those those documents, we can then figure out how sweet Kelly's life was ended far too early!! (along with all other facts we have accumulated so far)

Glad you're here Littledeer....was beginning to think I'd been adandoned :rolleyes:

[Indy Gal]

So sorry I am just going to jump here as I have not read anything today...sorry. I just wanted you guys to know I made a couple other threads. It is a lot easier now that we can speard out our discussions. I welcome you all to make a thread of something you would like to discuss as well. Hopefully by me starting some and you looking around WS you can tell how you can do it. If not please feel free to pm me if you dont know how to make a thread.

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL I was waiting for you to go crazy on this new forum, Indy! I knew you would be getting threads up and going soon. : )

[Indy Gal]

LOL I was waiting for you to go crazy on this new forum, Indy! I knew you would be getting threads up and going soon. : )
Yeah but this dam& baby is slowing me down...LOL I have been so tired, so hoping others will help me out...You know me and forums though....LOL:D

[HAWG]

Im here you guys just got caught up I was off line all day and have not been a happy camper!!!! There must of been a bad wreck because went off line around 9:30 this morning. It has been HELL!!!!

[imnotheonlyone]

Im here you guys just got caught up I was off line all day and have not been a happy camper!!!! There must of been a bad wreck because went off line around 9:30 this morning. It has been HELL!!!!

Glad to see you :dance:

[Littledeer]

What is with more threads??? I think that is more confusing? Does that mean I have to jump around now??

And here I was used to one for Kelly and one for Erin??

[HAWG]

I was thinking about this alibi of James and maybe he is the one that was taking James back and forth to the Stanleys, to their work places, and so on. The more I think about it he would have to have some body dropping him off and picking him up because he dosent have a car. How would he walk all that way and not be seen by anyone?????

[imnotheonlyone]

What is with more threads??? I think that is more confusing? Does that mean I have to jump around now??

And here I was used to one for Kelly and one for Erin??

Me too....why would having to jump around to 6,7,8 threads make it more convenient/easier?????? I'm with ya Littledeer~!

[Littledeer]

HAWG:

I am not one to believe alot in what is said in the PI forum. But there was a forum user that said James was at his/her house for 4 days including the day BEFORE he was arrested.

Could that be the person that was his alibi?? I don't know how to bring that over and not only that, but it has been said a couple of times NOT to bring anything over here from PI.

Just throwing that out for thought.

Anyone else catch/notice that????

[imnotheonlyone]

HAWG:

I am not one to believe alot in what is said in the PI forum. But there was a forum user that said James was at his/her house for 4 days including the day BEFORE he was arrested.

Could that be the person that was his alibi?? I don't know how to bring that over and not only that, but it has been said a couple of times NOT to bring anything over here from PI.

Just throwing that out for thought.

Anyone else catch/notice that????

I do remember that....

Maybe we should create a thread for PI POSTS :doh:

[HAWG]

YES I remember that also the one where she said he was laughing about LE. I just would like to know who that was he was staying with. All that we know is that is was a 40 something old man right???

[mahmoo]

I don't know where everyone is on this case. But it will NOT BE FORGOTTEN!!!!!

We are still waiting for the Search Warrant............and the final autospy report!!!!

From those those documents, we can then figure out how sweet Kelly's life was ended far too early!! (along with all other facts we have accumulated so far)

I'm still here even though I don't really post much.........i'm in it for the long haul.....i can't forget it.

Maybe everyone is reading up on the Stiles arrest.

[Littledeer]

onlyone:

One more thread ..........

I DON'T THINK SO!!!!

I want the dam.......................SW............

and the PATHOLOGIST'S REPORT.

OK............In summarization for Kelly:

1.) Found Dead on 9/7/07.

2.) Today's Date is 9/16/07.

3.) No COD released by Pathologist or LE's Office.

Lot's of speculation.

Sister's SUSPECTED murderer behind bars.

Sorry........those are the FACTS. Need to go and take care of family.

HAWG: As Indy said ,and as you can see from other posters (INLUDING imnottheonlyone), we will stay on this case. You just take care of yourself and your daughter and that beautiful grandchild you have!!!!!!

We will also be taking care of Erin too!!! Both here and on the other site.

[Indy Gal]

What is with more threads??? I think that is more confusing? Does that mean I have to jump around now??

And here I was used to one for Kelly and one for Erin??

Me too....why would having to jump around to 6,7,8 threads make it more convenient/easier?????? I'm with ya Littledeer~!
The reason they made us this forum instead of a thread is because we have a lot of info that needs to be split up so we dont have to go through all the posts to find something. Also all discussions happen at the same time in a thread but when you have a lot of threads you are just discussing that topic. Feel free to post where you like, I mean I am not like telling you guys where to post. I am just Greatful that they made us this special place. Many of cases have never made it to a forum. Remember everyone was like when will we get a forum, well we got it YAY.

[mahmoo]

Littledeer.......i think you need to edit your post while you still can......today's date is 10/16/07.....your item (2)

[Littledeer]

Hanging my head in shame.

I am VERY HAPPY FOR A FORUM.

Heck mahmoo: BOTH NEED TO BE EDITED TO OCTOBER. (10/7 and 10/16)

Thanks!

[Busylady]

No the 9/7 is correct date for Kelly being found deceased.

[Littledeer]

BL

That is correct. It should be 9/7 for Kelly's death.

And todays' date as 10/16 for no SW or Pathologist's report being released.

HAWG: Sorry, but you said the word "her" in replying that James was staying with someone prior to his arrest.

Do you know who she was?

[HAWG]

No I dont know who he was staying with that is what I would like to know.

Im pretty sure it was a she that was speaking over at PI??? correct me if Im wrong.:confused:

[ucka]

No I dont know who he was staying with that is what I would like to know.

Im pretty sure it was a she that was speaking over at PI??? correct me if Im wrong.:confused:

From britbrat0234

Ok, I have spoke to James myself...he was in bed with her....he said she soiled herself, wet herself and everything...duh! He did it! its bogus! He was at my house 4 days in a row and even the day before they arrested him....I grew up with him and both Erina nd Kelly......he played it cool and laughed about how the cops hadnt questioned him anymore...i knew he did it i knew it....I loved those girls...they were the sweetest and i will miss them always and all he could do was laugh??? Cmon? WTF? Let these girls rest in peace and let him go to jail and rot for what he did to BOTH OF THEM.

Who knows if that's true or not.

[Busylady]

Yep we have no clue if its true or not - but the statement of I knew he did it - yet he was at their house 4 days in a row and the day before he was arrested. Thats just what I would do is let someone be at my house that I thought was capable of murder.

[pooky169]

Finally I got on my net has been screwy today I try to come here cause I have the site listed in my fav's and it gives me some sort of error message. And they say comps are the wave of the future Hahahahaha!!!!
I am getting really antsy for more news to be released I agree we should have more info by now.


Ok, I have spoke to James myself...he was in bed with her....he said she soiled herself, wet herself and everything...duh! He did it! its bogus! He was at my house 4 days in a row and even the day before they arrested him....I grew up with him and both Erina nd Kelly......he played it cool and laughed about how the cops hadnt questioned him anymore...i knew he did it i knew it....I loved those girls...they were the sweetest and i will miss them always and all he could do was laugh??? Cmon? WTF? Let these girls rest in peace and let him go to jail and rot for what he did to BOTH OF THEM.


I sure wouldn't be spreading the news I had a killer in my house for 4 days the poster sounds like they are proud of the fact. Knowing my luck I would have been arrested for aiding and abetting a criminal. But I wouldn't have gotten myself into that mess.

[imnotheonlyone]

I've got DOXPOP, what do we need from there?

[HAWG]

Doxpop doesn't have links to the actual docs and it only has the court filings. I looked last night and the search warrant doesn't appear. It has the dates for a pre-trial conference (I think) and a trial date.
We was searching fo SW:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[imnotheonlyone]

I just talked with a gal in the Clerk's Office who said that the search warrant can be picked up for $1.00 at the Clerk's Office !??!?!

She asked, "Are you sure you're not looking for the affidavit?" I said, "no, the actual search warrant." She said, "I was just checking cause everyone else that's come in has wanted the affidavit, and that's $2.00"

[Wrinkles]

Hiya ImNotTheOnlyOne,

That which was on the TV station was an Affidavit for Search Warrant, I believe.

BTW, when you go to doxpop and do a search on:
mcfarland, james

There are 4 things listed, are you able to see anything on those?

Also, did you ask the clerk if those documents are available online through any of the document places like doxpop?

W

[Wrinkles]

Hello,

For those who didn't see it earlier:

DawnTCB's transcript (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1739011&postcount=35) from the video shown here: (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html)

>>
" AFFIDAVIT FOR A SEARCH WARRANT
The affiant, Andy Wandersee, of Centerville, Indiana, Police Department swears that he believes and has good cause to believe that evidence related to the homicide of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley is concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm, Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, described as a white with brown trim one story single family dwelling with a two car attached garage. Further evidence is likely to be located in a four door, 1992 grey Lumina with license plate ?9G1209 parked in the driveway at the residence.

Affiant learned in the course of his employment as an officer with the Centerville Police Department that 19 year-old Erin Stanley was found dead in her bed at 704 Elm in Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, on Saturday morning, September 1, 2007. An autopsy later that day determined the cause of death to be homicide. On September 7, 2007, affiant was sent to 704 Elm […] time to investigate the death of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley, the younger sister of Erin Stanley."
<<

[DawnTCB]

Geez! Well could she FAX us a copy or do we have to walk into the office????

:banghead:

[imnotheonlyone]

Hiya ImNotTheOnlyOne,

That which was on the TV station was an Affidavit for Search Warrant, I believe.

BTW, when you go to doxpop and do a search on:
mcfarland, james

There are 4 things listed, are you able to see anything on those?

Also, did you ask the clerk if those documents are available online through any of the document places like doxpop?

W

There are several things listed - I don't know what I can or can't post here anymore?

The lady was VERY rude and short - she knew the case# by heart I could tell, there was no hesitation.... she just said that it can only be obtained by coming in and paying $1

[imnotheonlyone]

Geez! Well could she FAX us a copy or do we have to walk into the office????

:banghead:

According to her, a person has to come in to the office - it'd make it much easier on them (and us) if they used a company to scan to...

[imnotheonlyone]

Hello,

For those who didn't see it earlier:

DawnTCB's transcript (http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1739011&postcount=35) from the video shown here: (http://www.whiotv.com/news/14134344/detail.html)

>>
" AFFIDAVIT FOR A SEARCH WARRANT
The affiant, Andy Wandersee, of Centerville, Indiana, Police Department swears that he believes and has good cause to believe that evidence related to the homicide of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley is concealed inside the residence located at 704 Elm, Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, described as a white with brown trim one story single family dwelling with a two car attached garage. Further evidence is likely to be located in a four door, 1992 grey Lumina with license plate ?9G1209 parked in the driveway at the residence.

Affiant learned in the course of his employment as an officer with the Centerville Police Department that 19 year-old Erin Stanley was found dead in her bed at 704 Elm in Centerville, Wayne County, Indiana, on Saturday morning, September 1, 2007. An autopsy later that day determined the cause of death to be homicide. On September 7, 2007, affiant was sent to 704 Elm […] time to investigate the death of 18 year-old Kelly Stanley, the younger sister of Erin Stanley."
<<

There should be a list of evidence collected upon execution of the search warrant

[CvilleMom]

There should be a list of evidence collected upon execution of the search warrant

I could possibly go on my lunch break tomorrow and get it, but then I won't get home from work til after 6ish pm. If someone else intends to do so, please let me know, because leaving for lunch at times can be difficult for me, especially this time of year.

[imnotheonlyone]

I could possibly go on my lunch break tomorrow and get it, but then I won't get home from work til after 6ish pm. If someone else intends to do so, please let me know, because leaving for lunch at times can be difficult for me, especially this time of year.

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[imnotheonlyone]

Hiya ImNotTheOnlyOne,

That which was on the TV station was an Affidavit for Search Warrant, I believe.

BTW, when you go to doxpop and do a search on:
mcfarland, james

There are 4 things listed, are you able to see anything on those?

Also, did you ask the clerk if those documents are available online through any of the document places like doxpop?

W

Ok, I don't know where to start looking for this, so I'm just gonna ask - sorry, it's hard to keep this all straight.... what did James' father die of? Mother? He is listed as a party in a wrongful death case / he was the executor of the estate
89C01-9906-ES-051

[CvilleMom]

Ok, I don't know where to start looking for this, so I'm just gonna ask - sorry, it's hard to keep this all straight.... what did James' father die of? Mother? He is listed as a party in a wrongful death case / he was the executor of the estate
89C01-9906-ES-051

If I remember correctly, it was said that his Mother and Father died in seperate accidents, and the Step-Mother was of an aneurism.

[imnotheonlyone]

I may be wrong, as there is no middle initial in this case, just James Mcfarland Jr. - (wrongful death), so....disregard and I'm sorry

[gooniequeen]

I may be wrong, as there is no middle initial in this case, just James Mcfarland Jr. - (wrongful death), so....disregard and I'm sorry

I think our James is actually a III. His dad was a Jr as his Grandfather's name was also James.

James died was a single fatality in a pile up car wreck in June 1999.

[gooniequeen]

I just talked with a gal in the Clerk's Office who said that the search warrant can be picked up for $1.00 at the Clerk's Office !??!?!

She asked, "Are you sure you're not looking for the affidavit?" I said, "no, the actual search warrant." She said, "I was just checking cause everyone else that's come in has wanted the affidavit, and that's $2.00"

Well consider it $3 well spent!! :) I'm still traveling and a bit out fo the loop - I hope you get to go pick it up so we can finally see it. I guess it's not sealed after all?

[Indiana at Heart]

I want to know have we found a time that Kelly got home from work on the 6th yet?

[comfort80]

Ok, I don't know where to start looking for this, so I'm just gonna ask - sorry, it's hard to keep this all straight.... what did James' father die of? Mother? He is listed as a party in a wrongful death case / he was the executor of the estate
89C01-9906-ES-051
didnt hawg say that he sold the property of someone who had passed?

[imnotheonlyone]

didnt hawg say that he sold the property of someone who had passed?

Yeah, I think so - that he'd sold something that didn't belong to him (of his father's estate I believe)....

[HAWG]

YES he spent 45ays in jail, during the time that my daughter gave birth to their daughter.

[imnotheonlyone]

YES he spent 45ays in jail, during the time that my daughter gave birth to their daughter.

What state did he spend time in?

[imnotheonlyone]

Did you all see the Affidavit of Search Warrant that Deb posted?

[Busylady]

I did and its awesome that a local went and got it unfortunately it doesnt give us anymore information, the affidavit was done before autopsy or any investigation, so I think they assumed she died the same way as Erin and didnt base the affidavit off of physical evidence from Kelly.

quote=imnotheonlyone;1747894]Did you all see the Affidavit of Search Warrant that Deb posted?[/quote]

[imnotheonlyone]

I did and its awesome that a local went and got it unfortunately it doesnt give us anymore information, the affidavit was done before autopsy or any investigation, so I think they assumed she died the same way as Erin and didnt base the affidavit off of physical evidence from Kelly.

quote=imnotheonlyone;1747894]Did you all see the Affidavit of Search Warrant that Deb posted?[/quote]

I want to know what the record that states all of the evidence that was COLLECTED is called and how we obtain that.

[imnotheonlyone]

HAWG, do you know of a Jennifer McFarland, Rebecca McFarland, or Amber McFarland? I'm trying to determine if the wrongful death case is in fact James' father -

[HAWG]

It is his father.

[HAWG]

What state did he spend time in?
Indiana

[imnotheonlyone]

HAWG, do you know of a Jennifer McFarland, Rebecca McFarland, or Amber McFarland? I'm trying to determine if the wrongful death case is in fact James' father -

Why the "wrongful death" suit?

[imnotheonlyone]

Indiana

Wonder why I don't see the case in DOXPOP?

[HAWG]

Im not sure about that. Maybe bumble bug can clear that all up.

[imnotheonlyone]

Im not sure about that. Maybe bumble bug can clear that all up.

Haven't seen him around & I've even PM him but...no reply. Hope you're okay Bumble

[Busylady]

If I remember correctly James father was killed in a car accident, so the wrongful death suit may be from that.

[HAWG]

Okay Shipman your vacation is over. Lets get some work done on this case!!!! We want to know what happened to this little girl????

[imnotheonlyone]

Okay Shipman your vacation is over. Lets get some work done on this case!!!! We want to know what happened to this little girl????

Call 'em HAWG, ask 'em what the delay is????

[imnotheonlyone]

Is there a local that could call the Clerk's Office ( I don't have my cell and am at work, can't call long distance ) and ask if the Search Warrant RETURN is available to pick up? This is the document that will list the evidence COLLECTED.

Clerk's Office Phone: (765) 973-9220

The case # is
89C01-0710-MR-001

[Littledeer]

I was reading a post in another forum and two people were let out of jail because they could not be charged within the time frame due to lack of information from the Coroner's Office, etc. to be able to charge them. (paraphrasing from memory, which I had just read).

Does anyone know if there is a time frame for the Prosecutor's Office to file charges against someone for Kelly's death????

[IndyLaw]

I was reading a post in another forum and two people were let out of jail because they could not be charged within the time frame due to lack of information from the Coroner's Office, etc. to be able to charge them. (paraphrasing from memory, which I had just read).

Does anyone know if there is a time frame for the Prosecutor's Office to file charges against someone for Kelly's death????

There is no statute of limitations on murder.

[Littledeer]

IndyLaw:

That is what I thought thinking of the Moxler Murder. But that post sort of confused me. Had I been thinking right, it boils down to NOT having any kind of proof, not that the limit ran out. Even though that was what was posted on the site. So maybe, there is a time frame from the time you are in jail.............which also came in play from that post.

If you want, I will go get that and post it here as a reference.

[IndyLaw]

IndyLaw:

That is what I thought thinking of the Moxler Murder. But that post sort of confused me. Had I been thinking right, it boils down to NOT having any kind of proof, not that the limit ran out. Even though that was what was posted on the site. So maybe, there is a time frame from the time you are in jail.............which also came in play from that post.

If you want, I will go get that and post it here as a reference.

I know what you mean, but in this case he's already in jail w/o bond charged with Erin's murder. He's not going anywhere so there's no clock running as to Kelly. If he had been arrested on suspicion of murder they would have xx number of days to formally charge him.

[cardionurse]

No word on anything? I would think the Pathologist would be coming up with a COD by now. They've had 6 weeks to run toxicology screens.

[Indy Gal]

There is no news anywhere I have been searching for days now!!!

[Sheromom]

Do any of you personally know the parents? I can't help but wonder how they are holding up through all of this.

[centervillejustice]

Coroner: Second Stanley sister died of natural causes
BY RYAN S. CLARK
PALLADIUM-ITEM STAFF WRITER



Kelly Stanley’s cause of death has been ruled as natural causes due to seizure and no criminal charges are planned.
The findings were made after the second set of tests on Stanley had been order. A release from the Wayne County Coroner's Office indicates that the manner of death was natural and that her toxicology report was negative.

The findings were released late this afternoon to his office.
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Stanley, 18, died six days after her sister Erin Stanley, 19, was found unconscious in her bedroom at the same Centerville home.
Erin Stanley’s boyfriend, James H. McFarland, 23, was arrested for murder on Oct. 10 in connection with her death.
Because Kelly Stanley died of a seizure there is no indication a homicide has been committed, Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Shipman said on Tuesday night.
However, the fact that Kelly reportedly had been assisting investigators in trying to solve her sister's death, which was being investigated as a homicide, public suspicions were being directed toward McFarland.
Shipman countered those Tuesday. “The criminal investigation has been concluded," he said. “If no homicide has been committed, we cannot prosecute a crime.” Shipman said he had not been in contact with Stanley’s parents, Dale and Lonny Stanley, regarding the findings.


http://pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071023/UPDATES/71023024

[Indy Gal]

Well now we have one murder that still needs our attention. I believe it may have been caused from the stress so if anyone knows about this disorder, please do tell!

[gooniequeen]

"We investigated her (medical) history,” Coroner Kevin Fouche said. “But I cannot release what we found.”

I would guess this is due to medial privacy acts since it was not a homicide and therefore it's not public knowledge? Seems to me she DID have a medical issue....

Any locals have an idea of what this issue was?

[SeriouslySearching]

If such a medical history existed which included seizures...obviously her family and close friends would have known this. Isn't it odd it never came out?

Seizures are also known to run in family histories...so who is to say that Erin didn't experience the same thing? If Kelly's death was from a seizure...it shouldn't have taken LE this long in figuring it out. Maybe they are just as wrong about Erin...but they have no body to go back to examine as she was cremated.

[Indy Gal]

When they release the name of the disorder we will find out more. QUICK someone get a hold of someone and find out the disorder...LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

Here is some info on seizure disorders: http://www.enotes.com/nursing-encyclopedia/seizure-disorder

This case included bruising etc. (who can say for certain the trachea wasn't collapsed due to either the act of a seizure or the medical personnel trying to revive Erin): www.vwc.state.va.us/listdecisions_all/REV2002/2077300.rev.doc VIRGINIA (http://www.vwc.state.va.us/listdecisions_all/REV2002/2077300.rev.doc)

[centervillejustice]

Police officers found the body of 18-year-old Kelly Stanley on Friday morning after being called to the home of her parents, state police Sgt. Noel Houze Jr. said. Whether the death of Stanley, who had been healthy, involved foul play was not immediately determined and an autopsy was planned for Saturday, he said.

Since she was healthy I guess it must have been from stress.

[SeriouslySearching]

SUDEP stands for Sudden Unexpected and Unexplained Death in Epilepsy. It is a category of uncommon sudden death, used when a person with epilepsy dies unexpectedly, without apparent cause. In a typical case of SUDEP, an otherwise healthy person with active epilepsy dies suddenly, unobserved, while in bed.

http://www.epilepsytoronto.org/sudep.html

[centervillejustice]

an otherwise healthy person with active epilepsy dies suddenly, unobserved, while in bed

Her mother stated that she didn't have any medical condition. If Kelly had active epilepsy wouldn't her mother have known it? Just a thought.

[SeriouslySearching]

For them to rule it was a seizure and it related to her medical history...one would have to assume there was a type of disorder there which caused seizures. I haven't found anything else which did not involve drugs...to cause such.

My premie baby had seizures for a short time when she was only months old. They never termed her with a disorder..because they did not find any. It could be a case like this. If someone asked me now...I don't think I would include that part of her history as being vital because it hasn't happened again in 18 years.

[dancer_girl]

an otherwise healthy person with active epilepsy dies suddenly, unobserved, while in bed

Her mother stated that she didn't have any medical condition. If Kelly had active epilepsy wouldn't her mother have known it? Just a thought.

she had NEVER had a seizure before.

[centervillejustice]

she had NEVER had a seizure before.

I for one am having a hard time buying this outcome. It seems as strange to me as the rest of this case has been.

[Busylady]

I am glad they finally released the cause of death and have ended the six weeks of rumors flying around about this. My one question is did they make a mistake on Erin's cause of death? Something we will never know but I will always wonder if innocent mans life is about to be ruined?

[greeneyz]

This whole case gets stranger and stranger!!!!

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't know if you can truthfully state she never had a seizure before. At least, she didn't as far as you both know.

Seizures can take many forms and it is even possible her mother wasn't aware she was having them. They can range from something as simple as "zoning out" to Grand Mal seizures.

[ckwood32]

According to two of the posters (one is a Dr and one an ex-cop) under the Star News article - "psychogenic" seizures do not cause death.

[Al_B]

here's the list of siezures I found and it looks like all can be tested for
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/seizures.html

and what you need to do if you have siezures to get a license
http://www.in.gov/search?q=cache:EF8U_3EJrvc:http://www.in.gov/fssa/mental/pdf/title%25209%2520-%25202003.pdf+seizures+and+driving&site=in-gov&output=xml_no_dtd&client=in-gov&proxystylesheet=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.in.gov%2Fbmv%2Fab out%2Fgoogle_xmlcss.xml (http://www.in.gov/search?q=cache:EF8U_3EJrvc:http://www.in.gov/fssa/mental/pdf/title%25209%2520-%25202003.pdf+seizures+and+driving&site=in-gov&output=xml_no_dtd&client=in-gov&proxystylesheet=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.in.gov%2Fbmv%2Fab out%2Fgoogle_xmlcss.xml)

[gooniequeen]

Gosh this whole thing is just not sitting right with me. After all Indiana is the same state that brought you this debacle...

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-02-coroner_x.htm

Has anyone been able to figure out why it took SIX weeks to determine this? Or was it a case of lets look at everything else and when we find nothing call is a psychogenic seizure?

What does a coroner see in an autopsy that concludes it was a seizure?

All this rally does is brings up more questions than answers. wow.

[finally]

why was the window removed for a "seizure" death?

[gooniequeen]

why was the window removed for a "seizure" death?

Apparently they believed it was a 2nd murder and I guess there were prints on the window. We had a pretty lengthy discussion a while ago about teens sneaking in/out of their homes (and I assume it's plausible that other teens might have snuck in as well) so there may have been unidentified prints on the window.

So the LE going under the assumption that it w