Deborah Rae Meyer last seen August 4th 1974 [Archive] - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Khavna

06-12-2006, 12:13 AM

The Doe Network:
Case File 749DFWY

http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/DMeyer.jpg http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/DMeyer1.jpg
Left: Meyer, circa 1974; Right: Age-progessed image to age 47 (circa 2006)

Deborah Rae Meyer
Missing since August 4, 1974 from Rawlins, Carbon County, Wyoming.
Classification: Non family Abduction

Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: October 20, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 14 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'4"; 115 pounds
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Marks, Scars: A small round growth on her left ear.
Dentals: Deborah has a full set of false teeth
Other: DNA available

Circumstances of Disappearance
Deborah left a relative's home in Rawlins, Wyoming on August 4, 1974 to see a movie and never returned. She has not been seen or heard from since.

Investigators
If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:

Rawlins Police Department
307-324-6404

Case Number: 603810

NCIC Number:
M-0244489228
Please refer to this number when contacting any agency with information regarding this case.

Source Information:
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewPoster&caseNum=603810&orgPrefix=NCMC&searchLang=en_US)

marysawol

10-16-2007, 02:31 AM

chicoliving

10-16-2007, 03:39 AM

I saw the last post and brought a copy of this thread originally posted on the Missing Children in America - a Profile forum to here.

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 10:58 AM

While doing research for another victim, I think I may have found Deborah? I submitted my find. Please let me know what you think.

http://www.co.clark.nv.us/CORONER/unidentified/photos/unid_indv_79-0968.htm

The unidentified girl was posted on another forum I'm on.

It was kinda hard to tell at first but if the morgue photo is flipped sideways its alot easier! but great match! let us know when you hear something back!

marysawol

10-16-2007, 12:43 PM

It was kinda hard to tell at first but if the morgue photo is flipped sideways its alot easier! but great match! let us know when you hear something back!

That's what I did too, flipped her around. Then I saw that neither girls had any natural teeth, how many girls that age are like that?

I'll definately post if I hear something from the LE.

lymom3

10-16-2007, 01:56 PM

That's what I did too, flipped her around. Then I saw that neither girls had any natural teeth, how many girls that age are like that?

I'll definately post if I hear something from the LE.

Can anyone see if the coroner's photo has a small growth on her ear. That is her left ear in the photo. The Doe Network description said she had a small growth on that ear.

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 02:03 PM

thats her right ear (I think)

Synthia1021

10-16-2007, 02:04 PM

more info and pics:

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/58ufnv.html

lymom3

10-16-2007, 02:29 PM

thats her right ear (I think)

And I am a MORON!! lol. I don't know if any of you that are getting "older" take meds for various conditions but this newest one I'm on is sucking every last functioning brain cell that I had right out of my head...

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 03:00 PM

Oh no I can see how that mistake could be made! Now i'm starting to wonder how many times i've probably done that :angel:

marysawol

10-16-2007, 03:03 PM

That's what I did too, flipped her around. Then I saw that neither girls had any natural teeth, how many girls that age are like that?

I'll definately post if I hear something from the LE.

The Sherrifs Office (handling Deborah's case) returned my call and he asked to email what I found. He expressed his gratitude for all that have been searching for Deborah here on the internet. As well as, he promised to keep me posted on Deborah's case.

I've been working (on a volunteer basis) on cold cases since 1999 and this is the FIRST time someone called me back. He sounded genuine and truly appreciative of all of our volunteer work.

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 03:10 PM

The Sherrifs Office (handling Deborah's case) returned my call and he asked to email what I found. He expressed his gratitude for all that have been searching for Deborah here on the internet. As well as, he promised to keep me posted on Deborah's case.

I've been working (on a volunteer basis) on cold cases since 1999 and this is the FIRST time someone called me back. He sounded genuine and truly appreciative of all of our volunteer work.

Thats great news!! its kind of a shock when someone actually calls you back.

marysawol

10-16-2007, 03:10 PM

And I am a MORON!! lol. I don't know if any of you that are getting "older" take meds for various conditions but this newest one I'm on is sucking every last functioning brain cell that I had right out of my head...

The first thing I did when I found Deborah and read her story was I cropped the photo and enlarged the ear. Then after five minutes of studying the ear, I realized it was the wrong side, lol

marysawol

10-16-2007, 03:15 PM

Thats great news!! its kind of a shock when someone actually calls you back.

I think I'm still in shock, lol.

chicoliving

10-16-2007, 03:23 PM

I think its wonderful! :)

marysawol

10-16-2007, 03:48 PM

It was kinda hard to tell at first but if the morgue photo is flipped sideways its alot easier! but great match! let us know when you hear something back!

I'm trying to post the photo's side by side but nothing seems to work. I have both saved in photo bucket. Can someone instruct me how to do this please?

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 03:57 PM

i'm not quite sure how to do that! I dont even know how to post pictures on here!

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 04:10 PM

Okay I figured out a way (probably an easier way I'm sure) I kinda took a Black picture then copied and pasted both those photos on it. I can send you what I did but it dont look very pretty and I'm not sure if it appear too big or too small once its up! Not really good with these photo programs!

marysawol

10-16-2007, 04:11 PM

i'm not quite sure how to do that! I dont even know how to post pictures on here!

I'll post them in as links, then people can click on them separtely and put them side by side:

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/marysawol/debbiemeyerrip.jpg
the above photo has been rotated

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p216/marysawol/deborahmeyeralive.jpg

It's the cheeks and her upper lip that makes me think it's her. Not to mention that both girls are without their natural teeth.

comfort80

10-16-2007, 04:29 PM

the nose looks very similar too.
i wonder if she ran away from home?

AmandaBrown23

10-16-2007, 04:44 PM

It does look like a really good match.

hoppyfrog

10-16-2007, 04:44 PM

diamondgirl

10-16-2007, 04:47 PM

I think they do look alike, and it is odd that they both have dentures when they are so young.

The only thing that makes me think this might not be Deborah is that when she went missing when 3 other young ladies went missing around the same time and two of them were found dead. They found the body of the Jane Doe in 79. Like 3-4 yrs later. OF course it's not impossible.

lymom3

10-16-2007, 04:48 PM

The first thing I did when I found Deborah and read her story was I cropped the photo and enlarged the ear. Then after five minutes of studying the ear, I realized it was the wrong side, lol

It was on my left...lol

marysawol

10-16-2007, 04:58 PM

[/list]This math is wrong. If the birthdate is correct, she would have been 15 at the time of her disappearance, almost 16. A minor discrepancy.

Hope you made a match!

Hoppy

She went missing August 4, 1974, two months and two weeks prior to her 15th birthday. There's many sites that have Deborah listed, some have her birth year as 1958, others say 1959. However, they all have her listed as being 14.

The unidentified girl was found almost exactly five years later and was killed the day before. This would have made Deborah almost 20 years old.

kaylenbabysims

10-16-2007, 05:31 PM

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/749dfwy.html has some extra info that wasnt in first post

hoppyfrog

10-17-2007, 12:22 AM

She went missing August 4, 1974, two months and two weeks prior to her 15th birthday. There's many sites that have Deborah listed, some have her birth year as 1958, others say 1959. However, they all have her listed as being 14.

The unidentified girl was found almost exactly five years later and was killed the day before. This would have made Deborah almost 20 years old.

Could you explain your math?

I stand by mine that she went missing when she was two months and two weeks short of her 16th birthday if the birthdate in the first post is accurate.

Hoppy

marysawol

10-17-2007, 01:03 AM

Could you explain your math?

I stand by mine that she went missing when she was two months and two weeks short of her 16th birthday if the birthdate in the first post is accurate.

Hoppy

Because while some of the sites list her birth year as 1958, others list it as 1959, ALL of the sites that list Deborah state she was 14 when she went missing. And the LE I spoke with earlier today also stated she was 14 when she went missing.

hoppyfrog

10-17-2007, 11:33 AM

Because while some of the sites list her birth year as 1958, others list it as 1959, ALL of the sites that list Deborah state she was 14 when she went missing. And the LE I spoke with earlier today also stated she was 14 when she went missing.

Ahhhh, I see. You're going by the 1959 birth year as being accurate. Gotcha.

Hoppy

sweetheart29

02-07-2008, 12:31 PM

Any updates on this.

Fairy1

03-20-2008, 01:34 AM

While doing research for another victim, I think I may have found Deborah? I submitted my find. Please let me know what you think.

http://www.co.clark.nv.us/CORONER/unidentified/photos/unid_indv_79-0968.htm

The unidentified girl was posted on another forum I'm on.

I do believe this is a match! Does anyone know if it's been submitted???

Fairy1

03-20-2008, 02:32 AM

I have sent this into the Clark County coroner. I will let you know if they respond!

meggilyweggily

03-20-2008, 08:13 AM

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/m/meyer_deborah.html

I wonder what was wrong with her teeth? Teenage girls don't normally need a full set of dentures.

kaylenbabysims

03-20-2008, 10:24 AM

oh I hope they respond!!! I think there was another case that had a good match to turn in to clark county coroner but I dont think the thread here ever got an update.... just hope they really look into these possible matches!

but I know a few people who had full dentures when they were very young.. My grandma in law blames it on bad genes but a accident of some sort could of caused the need for dentures too! In some cases its just cheapr to have all your teeth ripped out rather than repaired

InterestedNHelping

03-20-2008, 12:18 PM

You may have to do all the follow up with clark county...I have dealt with them before, and initially they are great, but they are so busy that everyone falls through the proverbial cracks, if you don't stay on top of it...good luck, hope it works well, great job

Fairy1

03-20-2008, 10:24 PM

Although this isn't the outcome we were hoping for, I did get a very quick response from Clark County coroner investigator, Rick Jones. He has passed on some helpful information and I told him to feel free to contact us anytime he feels we can be of help. Below is his response to our submission:

XXX, thank you for the submission. I have been searching sites for years looking for young women with dentures on this case (very few found with dentures at young ages). We checked her several years ago by fingerprints and ruled her out. Thank you and please keep searching. Rick

In case you have not seen this new site of unidentifieds - they are trying to get all of the Coroner's Offices in the country to input their unidentified cases. It is called NAMEUS. Their site is; http://www.identifyus.org/ (http://www.identifyus.org/)

We put our cases into them as the more people that look at them, the better chance we have of getting them identified.

Thanks again.

Rick

Rick Jones D-ABMDI
Coroner Investigator
Latent Fingerprint Examiner
Clark County Office of the Coroner/Medical Examiner
1704 Pinto Lane
Las Vegas, Nevada 89106
Office # (702) 455-3210
Direct # (702) 455-4271
Fax # (702) 455-3101
E-mail: rnj@co.clark.nv.us

Dang - I thought this was a positive match!

Fairy1

03-20-2008, 11:05 PM

After thinking about the response a bit, I got to wondering why a 14 year old girl's fingerprints would be on file. I have followed up asking if the investigator knows if she's in CODIS. I think that would be a better source - if available.

Fairy1

03-26-2008, 01:12 AM

I have contacted the coroner's office for a third time concerning this possible match. The investigator told me Deborah had been ruled out by a fingerprint check. I still find it difficult to believe they had Deborah's fingerprints on file. She was only 14 and her case is reported as a non-family abduction. How many teenagers have a full set of dentures???? She went missing in '74 and the UID was found in '79. I fear there may be some issues regarding DNA availability. But I will keep trying! Feel free to jump in -the squeakiest wheel gets the oil!

Tom Friendly

03-26-2008, 09:03 AM

Maybe she had a minor criminal record, maybe she was fingerprinted at school which was a popular thing to do in the 70's/80's or maybe they lifted prints from her personal belongings. Its not so far fetched to have a young person's prints on file.

ttrachel04

03-26-2008, 09:06 AM

did anyone find out if it was a match?

ttrachel04

03-26-2008, 09:09 AM

nm i didn't read fairy's finger print post the first time

Fairy1

03-26-2008, 11:11 PM

Well, I've heard back from the Clark County coroner investigator again - in record time I might add! I sent him another message last night explaining that I wasn't confident about the fingerprints check when Deborah was only 14. He was kind enough to pull and review the records once again and discovered that, in fact, Deborah's fingerprints were never on file. However, he did find her mother on the Internet some time ago, as he was also convinced this was a probable match. They do have DNA from both Deborah and the UID and there isn't a match. Still not convinced, he had Deborah's mother look at the UID photos, jewelry and clothing and she has advised that this Jane Doe is definitely not her daughter. :mad:

I told the investigator that we will continue searching to help bring Deborah and Jane Doe back to their families. I am so relieved and proud to know that the Clark County Coroner's office is as dedicated as we are. The same cannot be said for all US counties! On we go.....