Dr. phil 10-17

[Indy Gal]

My sister just emailed me to tell me Dr. Phil (i know guys lol) is doing a phone interview with M's Mom. Didnt know if you guys knew or not!! It come on at 3pm est

[Busylady]

Oh gotta watch this today, on Dr Phils site it also says this

Then, Stiles' ex-girlfriend and her son talk about their conflicting accounts of Stiles' behavior. If it's happening now, Dr. Phil is going to talk about it now!

This should be good!

My sister just emailed me to tell me Dr. Phil (i know guys lol) is doing a phone interview with M's Mom. Didnt know if you guys knew or not!! It come on at 3pm est

[DeltaDawn]

I can't even believe M's Mom would go on a national tv show..I know by phone..considering she wants privacy for M.

What is with these people..they seem like media junkies? They have no problem admitting they knew CAS and were dating/ friends or whatever with him considering this is one sordid mess ? These people do need Dr Phil.
Hope Dr Phil brings up the drug use, etc.

[Jeana (DP)]

I think that if they want to talk, which I completely disagree with, they should wait until AFTER the trial and sentencing.

[Al_B]

go watch it on drphil.com M's mom is beating herself up bad enough

[DeltaDawn]

I think this whole thing with Dr Phil could have been done privately. I think he is using this case for ratings. I ususally like Dr Phil and his advice , but I don't think he had to air this segment at this point. I wish he would have just waited to air it at a more appropriate time or not aired it and just given these people his help. I will be watching, but I think the key players in this made a poor choices to continually put themselves in front of the media.

[mahmoo]

Statements from Dr. Phil's website:


Mother of "Michael," ex-girlfriend of Stiles:
"he was extremely abusive -- mentally, physically and sexually. I left about 12 years ago, and it took about four or five years after me leaving him for the violence to stop, because he continued to stalk me, watch over me, has broken into my house several times."


Todd Allen
Mom dated Chester Stiles on and off for 10 years; called Stiles his "stepdad":
"My reaction was half ecstatic, half disappointment. Disappointment because it wasn't me who caught him."

"I have major concerns about this, because I feel that my mother has not been as open with the authorities as she should be."

"We have threatened multiple times to turn her and him over to the police ourselves. Her own children have, because she's always known where he's been."

[Lurker]

Statements from Dr. Phil's website:


Mother of "Michael," ex-girlfriend of Stiles:
"he was extremely abusive -- mentally, physically and sexually. I left about 12 years ago, and it took about four or five years after me leaving him for the violence to stop, because he continued to stalk me, watch over me, has broken into my house several times."


Todd Allen
Mom dated Chester Stiles on and off for 10 years; called Stiles his "stepdad":
"My reaction was half ecstatic, half disappointment. Disappointment because it wasn't me who caught him."

"I have major concerns about this, because I feel that my mother has not been as open with the authorities as she should be."

"We have threatened multiple times to turn her and him over to the police ourselves. Her own children have, because she's always known where he's been."

Looks like you guys hit the nail on the head about Tina!

[mahmoo]

if her son's statements are true......wonder if LE is going to arrest Tina for aiding and abetting.

[Shamrock]

I'm sooooo over Dr. Phil but I do want to see this. I'm hoping my husband gets home in time to tivo it for me.

[Class-z]

I think that if they want to talk, which I completely disagree with, they should wait until AFTER the trial and sentencing.

I'd like to know if that mother has that child in therapy?

All reports are that the child has no memory, it's repressed, that's for now, the frist time she has another trama in her life, it will come to the surface, better to deal with it now while she's young..

I'd be finding her a good therapist, and forget about Dr. Phil whose out for ratings

[Jaded]

"We have threatened multiple times to turn her and him over to the police ourselves. Her own children have, because she's always known where he's been."

My question is WHY didn't they? Why threaten multiple times? He violently raped a baby! That trumps ANY feelings they may have for those two, imo.

[Shamrock]

I'd like to know if that mother has that child in therapy?



I heard that M is seeing someone about it.

[philamena]

....I feel that my mother has not been as open with the authorities as she should be.":furious:

"We have threatened multiple times to turn her and him over to the police ourselves. Her own children have, because she's always known where he's been."That certainly speaks volumns.:liar:

Oh tina.....hope orange is your favorite color.

[Indy Gal]

M'ms mom was VERY!! angry in the phone call. She said M has never acted different. She asked m if anyone has ever touched her and m sadi no and if they did she would scream and tell mom. I feel so sad for this family. Mom is also 8 months pregnant. She also said she would kill him herself. She is beating herself up because she thinks she let this happen. This woman is going through so much, please pray for her.

[Indy Gal]

Todd says CAS was way to eager to meet kids.....HMMMMMMM

BTW Todd is on there. said CAS son and ex GF is coming up

[alpharee]

I think this whole thing with Dr Phil could have been done privately. I think he is using this case for ratings. I ususally like Dr Phil and his advice , but I don't think he had to air this segment at this point. I wish he would have just waited to air it at a more appropriate time or not aired it and just given these people his help. I will be watching, but I think the key players in this made a poor choices to continually put themselves in front of the media.

I think every case is ratings to him...

[Dryad]

You can see the interview here...Dr. Phil talks to M's mom on the phone in his office.

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/959/#

[Shamrock]

You can see the interview here...Dr. Phil talks to M's mom on the phone in his office.

http://www.drphil.com/shows/show/959/#

Thanks for the link as I'll be missing the show. :(

[DeltaDawn]

I just finished watching The DR PHIL Show and the Nye County DA was also on there. He is of course very interested in this tape , CAS, and Tuck. He says that when CAS lived in Pahrump he lived only about 6 miles from Tuck, and about the same distant from where the tape was found.

Dr Phil asked the Nye County DA about Todd's feelings that Tina may have helped him hide or knew where he was during the time he was wanted on these charges. The Nye County DA said that would be aiding and abetting a known criminal, which they would bring charges for, and if she ever helped him cross state lines then it would become a federal case against her. He said that LE is looking into whether or not anyone has helped CAS and their involvement in this case.

So Tina certainly better be getting her affairs in order, because she cannot count on CAS to keep his mouth shut. I think that now after today's hearing he is going to be very cooperative with LE .....ladies who have sheltered him are gonna be out in the cold.

On a different note, when CAS lived either with Tina or Elaine (I couldn't discern which address they were discussing) HE BASICALLY LIVED RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL...and yes the mothers in that neighborhood are angry about that.

[Mysticchic]

I think you all may know my feelings about Dr Phill..he's full of himself,
He thinks he is omnipotent..his holier then thou altitude
He's doing this for ratings.

[alpharee]

I think you all may know my feelings about Dr Phill..he's full of himself,
He thinks he is omnipotent..his holier then thou altitude
He's doing this for ratings.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: took the words right outta my mouth :D

[DeltaDawn]

I don't care why he is doing it if it gives us more info on CAS and the different players..which today's show did. Ratings..absolutely...info yes.

[SeriouslySearching]

I think you all may know my feelings about Dr Phill..he's full of himself,
He thinks he is omnipotent..his holier then thou altitude
He's doing this for ratings.Well, of course he is!!! If I could get a show doing the same thing...would I?! Of course, I would!!! LOL Would I be sneaking into the flipping jail to get an exclusive with that POS?! Naw. Waste of time! I don't think ANY of us cares what he has to say.

[j2mirish]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I think that if they want to talk, which I completely disagree with, they should wait until AFTER the trial and sentencing.
boldpart by j2m
I'm sooooo over Dr. Phil but I do want to see this. I'm hoping my husband gets home in time to tivo it for me.

I think every case is ratings to him...

I think you all may know my feelings about Dr Phill..he's full of himself,
He thinks he is omnipotent..his holier then thou altitude
He's doing this for ratings.

[itsreenw]

if her son's statements are true......wonder if LE is going to arrest Tina for aiding and abetting.

Or arrest Todd and Stephani for aiding and abetting them both.

He ought to be careful what he says before he gets his own butt in trouble.

[DawnTCB]

We have threatened multiple times to turn her and him over to the police ourselves. Her own children have, because she's always known where he's been."

Just wanted to say, after watching this, it sounded to me like what he was trying to say was that she always used to know where he was at, not that she specifically knew where he was/has been for the last four to five weeks.

In other words, more like she has known where he ran off to before, so she probably knew this time, but they had no proof. Did anyone else get that impression?

:banghead: I hope that I am making sense, it is still early!

[alpharee]

thats the impression I got too, Dawn

[Mysticchic]

Tina was just on CNN talking about what her son said about her on Dr Phil. She said she will go to councling with him to sort this out. She is not in love with Chester, just she wanted to help him sort things out. She had no clue he was doing that to a child she loved so much. Her fake crying act is going again..Oh and how she gave the police the discription of him with long hair that lead to his arrest. blah blah blah poor her

[MsPooh]

Tina was just on CNN talking about what her son said about her on Dr Phil. She said she will go to councling with him to sort this out. She is not in love with Chester, just she wanted to help him sort things out. She had no clue he was doing that to a child she loved so much. Her fake crying act is going again..Oh and how she gave the police the discription of him with long hair that lead to his arrest. blah blah blah poor her

Well ummm...Tina it's a little late for that..don't ya think? Oh she wants to be a Mom now?!?!?
Really...puuuufreakinleeeezzzzeeeeeeeee..
:sick:

[FormerRichmondRes]

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Well ummm...Tina it's a little late for that..don't ya think? Oh she wants to be a Mom now?!?!?
Really...puuuufreakinleeeezzzzeeeeeeeee..
:sick:

[cheko1]

I can only imagine her booooohoooing...as though Todd would want counciling with her! Wake up Tina your kids are ashamed of you!

[DeltaDawn]

Tina was just on CNN talking about what her son said about her on Dr Phil. She said she will go to councling with him to sort this out. She is not in love with Chester, just she wanted to help him sort things out. She had no clue he was doing that to a child she loved so much. Her fake crying act is going again..Oh and how she gave the police the discription of him with long hair that lead to his arrest. blah blah blah poor her

What show was it on ? Maybe they'll repeat it later.

[STEADFAST]

Tina was just on CNN talking about what her son said about her on Dr Phil. She said she will go to councling with him to sort this out. She is not in love with Chester, just she wanted to help him sort things out. She had no clue he was doing that to a child she loved so much. Her fake crying act is going again..Oh and how she gave the police the discription of him with long hair that lead to his arrest. blah blah blah poor her

She probably wants to go with Todd to his counselling sessions so she can control what is said.

Can you imagine if you went to counselling to recover from your messed up parent, and said parent was always there with you?

[itsreenw]

Just wanted to say, after watching this, it sounded to me like what he was trying to say was that she always used to know where he was at, not that she specifically knew where he was/has been for the last four to five weeks.

In other words, more like she has known where he ran off to before, so she probably knew this time, but they had no proof. Did anyone else get that impression?

:banghead: I hope that I am making sense, it is still early!

I understand what you mean.
BUT...
Shoulda, woulda, coulda.... what's the point in coming forward now to say what he threatened to do back then? I assume he is referring to the period between the 2003 abuse and the video tape surfacing.

To me, it makes him look worse, admitting that he possibly could have pointed LE in the right direction to apprehend a child molestor but only threatened to. I hope he clarifies what he meant. I want to like this guy.

[Tom'sGirl]

To me, it makes him look worse, admitting that he possibly could have pointed LE in the right direction to apprehend a child molestor but only threatened to.

Exactly, and so did Stephani know.

I can't believe that if Steph and 'M's' mom were such good friends for so many years that 'M's mom also hadn't heard about the charges, and yet, no one said a word to the LE. He even shows up to get a dog from them, oh brother!

Now everyone is crawling out of the woodwork to do an interview to try and cover themsleves and paint themselves as victims.

[STEADFAST]

Exactly, and so did Stephani know.

I can't believe that if Steph and 'M's' mom were such good friends for so many years that 'M's mom also hadn't heard about the charges, and yet, no one said a word to the LE. He even shows up to get a dog from them, oh brother!

Now everyone is crawling out of the woodwork to do an interview to try and cover themsleves and paint themselves as victims.

I burns me up, too. Plus, even if no one knew he was a child molester, they sure as heck knew he was a criminal -- that he lived a criminal lifestyle for a living, apparently. I imagine he and Tina had plenty of criminal friends in and out of their house all the time. Great day-care environment!

[Tom'sGirl]

I burns me up, too. Plus, even if no one knew he was a child molester, they sure as heck knew he was a criminal -- that he lived a criminal lifestyle for a living, apparently. I imagine he and Tina had plenty of criminal friends in and out of their house all the time. Great day-care environment!

Well we know Todd knew, he wrote about it in his blog, the whole family knew if he knew,

[DeltaDawn]

I agree they all knew..and nobody did anything for that little girl. Now their all up in arms because this became public and it was another friend of the families child. I think if this never hit the press they would have swept it under the rug the way they did with this other little girl. Obviously, these people have very short memorys.

What really bother's me is M's Mom statement on Dr Phil that she could have lived without knowing this. What is she saying...even if she didn't know, this still happened and M is depending on her to help her through this. What kind of person says I could've lived without knowing this? Most mother's reaction would have been I only wish I knew this sooner to help her or I wish I had known then...but no, I wish I never knew about this?
No wonder Little M didn't tell her mother then..mommy sounds like someone little M feels like she needs to shelter. And for her Mom to say that M doesn't remember is wrong...that child cried when they showed her the pictures..she has known and has not had a single soul she felt she could tell about this, becuase this pedo was a family friend. About now..I feel they all belong in jail and in some treatment center to learn to be human again.

And another thing about M's Mom..has anybody ever heard her say she feels bad for M that this happened..or my poor baby..or Dr Phil help us get through this.....no....just M doesn't remember, I do not know this man, I want to kill this man, and I wish I never knew about this.
That makes me very angry. She knew the man, M knew the man, it did happen and she needs to stand up and do with right thing by her daughter..meaning help her.

Okay..you can flame me if you feel you have too.

[philamena]

,,,,,
And another thing about M's Mom..has anybody ever heard her say she feels bad for M that this happened..or my poor baby..or Dr Phil help us get through this.....no....just M doesn't remember, I do not know this man, I want to kill this man, and I wish I never knew about this.
That makes me very angry. She knew the man, M knew the man, it did happen and she needs to stand up and do with right thing by her daughter..meaning help her.

Okay..you can flame me if you feel you have too.


DD,
That is what I noticed but I was afraid to post it. :silenced:
I listened to M's mom on Dr. Phil's show and the repeat of the phone conversation on LKL.....she never ever said my poor little girl, how will she heal....nada. She commented about herself. :doh:
I hope M has someone who truly cares about her and loves her in her daily life.

[STEADFAST]

What really bother's me is M's Mom statement on Dr Phil that she could have lived without knowing this. What is she saying...even if she didn't know, this still happened and M is depending on her to help her through this. What kind of person says I could've lived without knowing this? Most mother's reaction would have been I only wish I knew this sooner to help her or I wish I had known then...but no, I wish I never knew about this?


I think this is very insightful.

[Busylady]

M's mom says she doesnt know this man yet he was at her house a week before it all came ot in the news buying a puppy form her and M acted jsut find with CAS

[itsreenw]

M's mom says she doesnt know this man yet he was at her house a week before it all came ot in the news buying a puppy form her and M acted jsut find with CAS
I just listened to her atty at a presser and he said she didn't recognize her daughter in the video but she recognized CAS. I had to play it twice to make sure i heard right.

[dottierainbow]

This will not be a popular statement but and I'm not saying M's mom knew or not knew but............................................... .......
She had to say she didn't know! If she knew and didn't report it to LE she herself would be in deep trouble. The child was raped. I hope she has seen a Dr. and had an exam.
DD,
That is what I noticed but I was afraid to post it. :silenced:
I listened to M's mom on Dr. Phil's show and the repeat of the phone conversation on LKL.....she never ever said my poor little girl, how will she heal....nada. She commented about herself. :doh:
I hope M has someone who truly cares about her and loves her in her daily life.

[DeltaDawn]

I just listened to her atty at a presser and he said she didn't recognize her daughter in the video but she recognized CAS. I had to play it twice to make sure i heard right.
How do you not recognize your own little child in a photo of her? But you recognize this loser CAS, the furniture and the bedding? That says alot right there doesn't it.

[alpharee]

Why do you people get off on attacking the victims?

About Dr. Phil, it's possible lots more was said, they edit tapes to get the "good rating stuff" only. I know this from being there myself.

It's all ratings with those kind of shows, you really can't rely on what was said or not said. It's an entertainment show. Many guests don't know this til they are aired and see for themselves.

So please don't "attack" her, just because of what was said or not said on some stupid talk show.

[alpharee]

also, being in front of the media, sometimes people get nervous and things don't come out as they intend. Been there, done that. Glad I didn't have some of you there to judge me:rolleyes:

[DeltaDawn]

Well, C did have her attorney right there on the show, so if anything was said or presented in a way that was not right her attorney would have had the opportunity to correct it right then and also before the show aired.
Later he was on LKL and the same things were said, and not said, so if the story were different from C's point of view she had an attorney there to make things right.
Also, once you hop on the media circuit in a case like this you know that people are going to be forming opinions about you ...some good, some bad, some indifferent. So if C didn't want the publicity herself, she could've let her attorney keep doing the talking for her. She choose not to. People will always have opinions and they may not always be the same.

[Busylady]

I understand what you are saying, and I am sorry if you feel like I am attacking M's mom but if you go to the Dr phil site you can listen to the entire interview, not just what is shown on tv. She talks about not wanting to know this every happened, she talks about being 8 1/2 months preg and the stress this has put on her, she says she would like to kill CAS, she says she crys about it all the time, talks about being a single mom and working to pay for day care so it was easier to let someone else babysit, talks about being in a relationship now and how she doesnt trust anybody now. Not once does she say it hurts her to know what her daughter went through once again its all about how this effected her as the mom. Makes it hard for me to swallow, I don't understand her doing the interview in the first place, but if your gonna do it why cant the focus be on how you are helping your daughter, not how its just messed up your life, just seems to me the little girl in all this has been forgotten.
Why do you people get off on attacking the victims?

About Dr. Phil, it's possible lots more was said, they edit tapes to get the "good rating stuff" only. I know this from being there myself.

It's all ratings with those kind of shows, you really can't rely on what was said or not said. It's an entertainment show. Many guests don't know this til they are aired and see for themselves.

So please don't "attack" her, just because of what was said or not said on some stupid talk show.

[DeltaDawn]

Well said Busy,
All the adults in this case seem to be focusing on themselves and saying how they didn't know then, how they feel now, what this has done to their lives...What about Little M..she is the true vic in this and nobody there has said they hope she gets the help she needs...oh but Tina did say she hopes CAS gets the help he needs. This leads me to beleive they live in a very adult world that has little time or room for children. They are to be sent to school, babysat, brought to the adult outings sometimes...but in all those pictures on Myspace you never see a child's party where there is birthday cake and children playing...like a regular child's party...these events even seem to be turned into adult parties with cases of beer sitting around, etc. There are no first day of school pictures,,,it's always kids in relation to the party the adults are having.

[Tom'sGirl]

Why do you people get off on attacking the victims?

About Dr. Phil, it's possible lots more was said, they edit tapes to get the "good rating stuff" only. I know this from being there myself.

It's all ratings with those kind of shows, you really can't rely on what was said or not said. It's an entertainment show. Many guests don't know this til they are aired and see for themselves.

So please don't "attack" her, just because of what was said or not said on some stupid talk show.

Most of us posting on this case thread/now Forum have followed the case since it broke in the news last month. We have been very active in following every aspect of the case, and the "Cast of Players" as was mentioned in the Media.

When someone chooses to do an interview on a Nat'l syndicated T.V. show, whether in person or by phone they put themselves out there to be scrutinized by the Public. They have the option when contacted by the Media to say "no comment" and decline an interview of any type.

The victims mother was in the beginning doing the smart thing by speaking only via her attorney, but now has put herself out there and her words and demeanor to be discussed.

[alpharee]

I understand what you are saying, and I am sorry if you feel like I am attacking M's mom but if you go to the Dr phil site you can listen to the entire interview, not just what is shown on tv. She talks about not wanting to know this every happened, she talks about being 8 1/2 months preg and the stress this has put on her, she says she would like to kill CAS, she says she crys about it all the time, talks about being a single mom and working to pay for day care so it was easier to let someone else babysit, talks about being in a relationship now and how she doesnt trust anybody now. Not once does she say it hurts her to know what her daughter went through once again its all about how this effected her as the mom. Makes it hard for me to swallow, I don't understand her doing the interview in the first place, but if your gonna do it why cant the focus be on how you are helping your daughter, not how its just messed up your life, just seems to me the little girl in all this has been forgotten.

Busy that is NOT the entire conversation. It has STILL been edited. I heard what was said on the website and I know how things are edited on the website and the show. Been there, done that. Know the ppl behind the scenes here. Was once there myself....you will NEVER see or hear the entire conversation that went on. I say this because I traveled down this road, I'm not just stating my opinion on this one.

[alpharee]

Most of us posting on this case thread/now Forum have followed the case since it broke in the news last month. We have been very active in following every aspect of the case, and the "Cast of Players" as was mentioned in the Media.

When someone chooses to do an interview on a Nat'l syndicated T.V. show, whether in person or by phone they put themselves out there to be scrutinized by the Public. They have the option when contacted by the Media to say "no comment" and decline an interview of any type.

The victims mother was in the beginning doing the smart thing by speaking only via her attorney, but now has put herself out there and her words and demeanor to be discussed.





I've been here too from the very beginning and if they had said no comment, ya'll would swear they had something to hide!!! :rolleyes:

Ppl were bashing her WAY before she made ANY comments too

[DeltaDawn]

If she had said no comment, I for one ,would have thought she was cooperating with the police and that they had asked her not to comment. I know she is cooperating with the police because they have said she is. That is conclusion I would have drawn, not that she was hiding anything.

[DeltaDawn]

Well I didn't bash her until she started commenting and then I had my own thoughts about her comments and expressed those thuoghts here. I thought that is what we did here..express our opinions? I knew I might get flamed for those thoughts, so I do understand.
You're opinion is different then mine but I do respect your right to post your opinions.
I do understand that you feel we are wrong in our thinking, but it doesn't change my opinion, nor would I want you to change yours.

[itsreenw]

Why do you people get off on attacking the victims?

About Dr. Phil, it's possible lots more was said, they edit tapes to get the "good rating stuff" only. I know this from being there myself.

It's all ratings with those kind of shows, you really can't rely on what was said or not said. It's an entertainment show. Many guests don't know this til they are aired and see for themselves.

So please don't "attack" her, just because of what was said or not said on some stupid talk show.Alpharee, I don't see people attacking the victim (M is the victim), or her mother. We are all entitled to our opinions.

The comment I quoted in my above post was not made on a "stupid" talk show, but a press conference held by her own attorney.
http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/topstories_story_275071045.html
He makes the comment about 2:40 into the video that she did not recognize her daughter but recognized Stiles. This is the same attorney that had just implied she did not know Stiles.

I don't include or rule out anyone as innocent or guilty simply because of their family ties to a victim.

I watched a documentary last night about a mom who's kids told her they'd been molested. She drove to the man's job, confronted him and shot him dead. A couple months ago, I saw a newsclip about a mother being arrested for taking her 5 yr old daughter to a motel to meet a man that was going to pay her so he could have sex with her child. Luckily, the authorities were alerted and intervened in the parking lot.

They each looked like your everyday, average mother.

Before their stories came to light, who knew what lengths one would go to to protect her kids as opposed to the other who placed her child in an unsafe setting for money? I can't tell if M's mom is a good or bad mother. I have never met the woman. Just looking at all the possibilities.

IMO, at this point, M is the only one that can clearly be considered a victim.

[Tom'sGirl]

that is NOT the entire conversation. It has STILL been edited.

Yes, we are aware it had been edited, most interviews are for length and other reasons. It was edited I'm sure to paint her in the best light, but it didn't come off that way to many of us.

To date the mother of Stiles victim from '03 hasn't been in the Media, or has the mother of Stiles son.

In all probability there are others out there who may be the parents of victims Stiles has abused that are not responding to Public Interviews but may do so privately with the LE.

[KOOL LOOK]

Well said Busy,
All the adults in this case seem to be focusing on themselves and saying how they didn't know then, how they feel now, what this has done to their lives...What about Little M..she is the true vic in this and nobody there has said they hope she gets the help she needs...oh but Tina did say she hopes CAS gets the help he needs. This leads me to beleive they live in a very adult world that has little time or room for children. They are to be sent to school, babysat, brought to the adult outings sometimes...but in all those pictures on Myspace you never see a child's party where there is birthday cake and children playing...like a regular child's party...these events even seem to be turned into adult parties with cases of beer sitting around, etc. There are no first day of school pictures,,,it's always kids in relation to the party the adults are having.

I understand what you are saying, and I am sorry if you feel like I am attacking M's mom but if you go to the Dr phil site you can listen to the entire interview, not just what is shown on tv. She talks about not wanting to know this every happened, she talks about being 8 1/2 months preg and the stress this has put on her, she says she would like to kill CAS, she says she crys about it all the time, talks about being a single mom and working to pay for day care so it was easier to let someone else babysit, talks about being in a relationship now and how she doesnt trust anybody now. Not once does she say it hurts her to know what her daughter went through once again its all about how this effected her as the mom. Makes it hard for me to swallow, I don't understand her doing the interview in the first place, but if your gonna do it why cant the focus be on how you are helping your daughter, not how its just messed up your life, just seems to me the little girl in all this has been forgotten.

Well, C did have her attorney right there on the show, so if anything was said or presented in a way that was not right her attorney would have had the opportunity to correct it right then and also before the show aired.
Later he was on LKL and the same things were said, and not said, so if the story were different from C's point of view she had an attorney there to make things right.
Also, once you hop on the media circuit in a case like this you know that people are going to be forming opinions about you ...some good, some bad, some indifferent. So if C didn't want the publicity herself, she could've let her attorney keep doing the talking for her. She choose not to. People will always have opinions and they may not always be the same.

How do you not recognize your own little child in a photo of her? But you recognize this loser CAS, the furniture and the bedding? That says alot right there doesn't it.

This will not be a popular statement but and I'm not saying M's mom knew or not knew but............................................... .......
She had to say she didn't know! If she knew and didn't report it to LE she herself would be in deep trouble. The child was raped. I hope she has seen a Dr. and had an exam.

M's mom says she doesnt know this man yet he was at her house a week before it all came ot in the news buying a puppy form her and M acted jsut find with CAS

Bravo to all these posts. Absolutely and anything explanatory is just idiotic, foolishness doesn't even cut it. It's about the victim, and finding out who are real victims, all I know at this present moment in time is Purity Patience is the only victim I'm seeing after changing my seeing views since we first caught wind of this. Now I could change my mind, in the future as facts come out, but as of right now, based on everything we have to go on to this point, I'm upset, angry disappointed in everyone of the so called self proclaimed adults. This is our society ills, people, look and learn. Goes on all the time. Adults behaving irresponsibly, criminally and neglectfully.

I'm also tired of our members having to always be pushed under the rug, made to feel horrible or ashamed for their opinions, we should care more about one another here as a websleuth family forum than any others except our own personal families and friends. Posters opinions will differ. I've seen no attacking of anyone yet. I've read true no glossed over opinions, but that's it. I don't need sugar coating, I want the facts and justice for M.

Out of the mouth, the abundance of the heart flows. That's the word I live by, and find it to be full of wisdom in every situation. There is evil all around us, we're getting a real life visual with more information than we're normally accustomed too, especially if you've never been exposed to such low life evil behaviors. Some people, yes even a group of them, can be of the lowest of life I wouldn't even let tend to my animals, for animals are genuinely pure and not evil rooted in their souls and spirits.

Anyone that was in that environment, should have picked up on the evilness in the midst, it would have been too obvious to overlook. By the way, I didn't watch the interview with Dr. Phil or LKL, I'm just commenting on this thread, what I've read and heard from our valued trust worthy members here who I trust more than the media. :croc: This forum is here to discuss, allow our people to do it here unless it's against tos and rules, I've seen no attacks.

[Busylady]

Alpharee, even if there are still edited parts of the interview, the things I heard still disturbed me and those are what I am commenting on. I do not feel anyone is bashing her, I feel we are trying to fit together all the pieces. SHE chose to do this interview, which opened her up for discussion. I have not seen anyone attacking her at all, just discussing what was said and how it fits in to the entire "family" group involved in this case. I feel I have been respectful in my comments, I am sorry you disagree but thats ok everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I will continue to try and piece together who these people are and how they all fit into this picture. I honestly believe by going through this and looking at each person who puts themselves out in the media we will find some connection some how to Tuck.

[believe09]

There have been a number of infant/toddler rapes on websleuths forums lately-CO, MI to name a few of the states. I think it is immensely difficult to discuss the cases without talking about the elephant in the room-ie: the mothers of the victims and our presumptions/assumptions about them as the caregivers of their children, and what they might have noticed. You can rest assured that my first impulse would not be to talk to LK or Dr. Phil. I would be saving my words for After the trial, and I would be building a world of bubble wrap around my precious Patience...and I would be with great difficulty holding myself still so I wouldn't be doing time for offing the dude who hurt my child if I could find them....I just don't get the adults in this case at all.:twocents:

[KOOL LOOK]

There have been a number of infant/toddler rapes on websleuths forums lately-CO, MI to name a few of the states. I think it is immensely difficult to discuss the cases without talking about the elephant in the room-ie: the mothers of the victims and our presumptions/assumptions about them as the caregivers of their children, and what they might have noticed. You can rest assured that my first impulse would not be to talk to LK or Dr. Phil. I would be saving my words for After the trial, and I would be building a world of bubble wrap around my precious Patience...and I would be with great difficulty holding myself still so I wouldn't be doing time for offing the dude who hurt my child if I could find them....I just don't get the adults in this case at all.:twocents:

Eloquently said, keep believing the truth is coming and I believe all the right ones will be exposed and brought to the light so they can't hide under cover any longer. This is the root of evil in our society harming our children and the family. This is how we put a stop to the rapes and murders, by showing irresponsible, neglectful criminal adults your behavior will not go unchecked, have consequences and punished. There needs to be at the least minimum, forming in my mind to date, some consequences for these adults. As more facts come out, even more so. I see culpability, but that word is a nice one, I see evil abuse rearing it's head from a dark force, look at how all involved are so sexually driven un-naturally. Party, sex work to pay for more party and sex.

I like to have fun, love the intimatcy in relationships, all about a good time. But this isn't what I consider adults having a good time. I see self serving selfish evil fools who harm the innocent. If they just harmed themselves, fine, but they hurt the baby. Now I'm mad.

[DeltaDawn]

From these interviews, I think it was the LKL interview with DR Phil hosting for LKL, that it was said that pedos know other pedos and exchange tapes and photos of their experiences( FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD). So, Tuck ends up with a tape that 's obviously a copy due to other footage on the tape. That means he atleast knows someone who knows CAS and had a tape that was then copied. That also means someone else in Pahrump who gave this tape to Tuck (either on their own or from a burglary) knows whoever made the tape and probably is connected to the taping of the other girl seen in the tape. Meaning there is still a pedo out there in Pahrump who made the tape of the other little girl. They really need for both CAS and Tuck to talk honestly with them inorder to get to the bottom of where the rest of the pedos are and who they are. Cas is the one who perpatrated this crime, but he wasn/t the person with the tape. So it sounds to me like CAS ans Tuck are just the tip of the iceberg in this case. Any ideas how and who else is involved?

[itsreenw]

I will probably sound like a dummy, but who is Hall?

[Tom'sGirl]

I will probably sound like a dummy, but who is Hall?

Okay, found what you are referring to in this post
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1758848&postcount=62

It was just a little 'slip up' and not meant to be Hall............that's another case DD is following.

[DeltaDawn]

Thanks for he save Tom's Girl...Yes my old brain is on overload tonght..Hall refers to another case I am activley trying to follow. Sorry for the confusion over the names. My oops. I corrected Hall to read CAS now...hope my post makes more sense. Hey, ITSREENW, thank you for reading my post and bringing that to my attention.

[Jeana (DP)]

I'm also tired of our members having to always be pushed under the rug, made to feel horrible or ashamed for their opinions, we should care more about one another here as a websleuth family forum than any others except our own personal families and friends. Posters opinions will differ. I've seen no attacking of anyone yet. I've read true no glossed over opinions, but that's it. I don't need sugar coating, I want the facts and justice for M.



I beg your pardon, but I take great offense at this comment. Our members have NEVER been pushed under the rug, made to feel horrible or ashamed about their opinions, etc. If that were the case, I very seriously doubt that we would be the tremendous forum that we are today, with dozens of new membership requests daily.

[itsreenw]

Thanks for he save Tom's Girl...Yes my old brain is on overload tonght..Hall refers to another case I am activley trying to follow. Sorry for the confusion over the names. My oops. I corrected Hall to read CAS now...hope my post makes more sense. Hey, ITSREENW, thank you for reading my post and bringing that to my attention.
LOL!! I just thought I missed some new development or something and figured I'd better ask before I got too out of the loop :o) .

It is hard to keep up with all the players in so many cases.