Associations/Connections to CAS Discussion

[Tom'sGirl]

I thought perhaps we could list those associated either directly, or indirectly that have been identified via public media so far in this case.

Please do not post the victims true name in your posts, or the name of her mother until she chooses to reveal it publically!

[Tom'sGirl]

Tina Lee Allen=Mother to 5 children, former Finacée of CAS

Stephani Lynn Allen=Tina's daughter 24

Todd Anthony Allen=Tina's son 23

Nola Ann Krause=Tina's mom 65

[Tom'sGirl]

Clark County Real Property records indicate the address/home where Stephani was interviewed on video is registered to her grandmother and late grandfather as Property Owners. Her grandmother also gave a statement to the press if you recall.

From what I've found, the property is listed Spring Valley, an unincorporated area of Las Vegas. It's a two story dwelling with four bedrooms, 2 full baths & 1 half bath and has a fireplace. The house was built in '77, and purchased by the grandparents in '95.

From cross checking records it appears Tina, Stephani, Todd have all lived there at one point or another, and obviously from the videoed interview at the door with Stephani, still does live there. If you remember at the Tuck interviews her name was brought up, and the reporters knew exactly where she was living.

From photos I saw of Stephani, the same front door is visible and is the same door as in the video and the photos were taken in Jan. of 2003.

[DeltaDawn]

Sylvia ? . .the mother of Chester's bio son, interesingly she does not say exwife she says ex girlfriend, Henderson NV

Michael / Jason ? ...the bio son of Stiles and Sylvia Henderson NV

Elaine Thomas..girlfriend, live-in lover and friend, also known as "Belle, the Domanatrix", runs a phone sex operation, Pahrump NV

Susan ? ....girlfriend?, El Cajon CA connection

[Busylady]

Don't know which thread to put this on but apparently Tina hooked him up with the Buick?

Allen said the original owner of the car was a friend of hers from Massachusetts who had given the car to Stiles long before he went on the lam.

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10597137.html

[Busylady]

I know Sylvia's last name but hesitant to put it on here because the son carries the same last name.

Sylvia ? . .the mother of Chester's bio son, interesingly she does not say exwife, just mother of bio son Las Vegas NV

Elaine Thomas..girlfriend, live-in lover and friend, Also known as Belle, the Domanatrix, Pahrump NV

Susan ? ....girlfriend?, El Cajon CA connection

If anyone has Susan or Sylvia's last names let me know and I will add them.

[DeltaDawn]

I know Sylvia's last name but hesitant to put it on here because the son carries the same last name.

Good thinking Busylady I removed that request from my post.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

[Tom'sGirl]

Sylvia ? . .the mother of Chester's bio son, interesingly she does not say exwife she says ex girlfriend, mother of bio son Las Vegas NV

Michael ? ...the bio son of Stiles and Sylvia

Elaine Thomas..girlfriend, live-in lover and friend, also known as "Belle, the Domanatrix", runs a phone sex operation, Pahrump NV

Susan ? ....girlfriend?, El Cajon CA connection

Stiles son's myspace page says his name is Jason, he's 16 and they live in Henderson

[DeltaDawn]

Stiles son's myspace page says his name is Jason, he's 16 and they live in Henderson
Today on DR PHIL they referred to him as Michael...so I thought that if this is how he is referred to in the press then maybe that's what should be here....I'll put /Jason then we're covered.

[close_enough]

was Tina Lee Allen on Greta's show last night??...i watched the tail end of it...she was a girlfriend of the past...didn't catch her name though

[philamena]

It's wasn't Tina-------------- it was Elaine.
Elaine the dominatrix. :0 lol

[Jaded]

I was able to save a picture from her site before she pulled the plug. http://www.invision.smileyville.net/smilies/girl (14).gif Paddle and all.

[DeltaDawn]

Elaine is trying to come across as such a good helpful person...if the public only knew...

[Busylady]

Now I am wondering if there is another child out there, cause court records don't show Jason to be his name?

Stiles son's myspace page says his name is Jason, he's 16 and they live in Henderson

[Tom'sGirl]

Now I am wondering if there is another child out there, cause court records don't show Jason to be his name?

Maybe he's just using that name for his page, dunno?

[itsreenw]

Nancy Grace had a caller that asked what Darrin Tuck's status was now. Her guest stated that Tuck may be facing additional charges and that "RIGHT NOW" they are trying to link him to Stiles. Curious to see a list of all of Elaine's boarders.

What the heck was she operating?? A pay by the hour motel? She seems to paint a good picture of herself but like Tina, she lists all the reasons you would NOT want a man like that in your life but she kept letting him come back, and was even ok with Tina coming to stay.

Ok, so let's add to the list (indirectly) Darrin Tuck (per NG's guest), and M's mom since she allegedly sold him a puppy shortly before the story broke.

[Tom'sGirl]

Nancy Grace had a caller that asked what Darrin Tuck's status was now. Her guest stated that Tuck may be facing additional charges and that "RIGHT NOW" they are trying to link him to Stiles. Curious to see a list of all of Elaine's boarders.

What the heck was she operating?? A pay by the hour motel? She seems to paint a good picture of herself but like Tina, she lists all the reasons you would NOT want a man like that in your life but she kept letting him come back, and was even ok with Tina coming to stay.

Ok, so let's add to the list (indirectly) Darrin Tuck (per NG's guest), and M's mom since she allegedly sold him a puppy shortly before the story broke.
But, has her name been mentioned in the Media, or just on the blog about Elaine? I haven't seen any of the cable shows, so don't know if her name has been revealed.

[Busylady]

M's first name was revealed on Dr. Phil if I remember correctly.

[Tom'sGirl]

M's first name was revealed on Dr. Phil if I remember correctly.

I only heard the video phone conversation with Dr. Phill speaking with her, so don't know myself. Hate to list her name if it's not been mentioned in the Public Media.

[Busylady]

We also have the name of Stiles former roomate who did an interview, but can't really see that he is connected to all this.

[Tom'sGirl]

I know Sylvia's last name but hesitant to put it on here because the son carries the same last name.

And I think Sylvia is her middle name, first name may be Claudia.

[itsreenw]

Just had to comment on Elaine's discussion with Sarcasticcrime. None of this is funny but Chet's women give women a bad name!!

snips from Elaine's on http://sarcasticcrime.com/?p=56

"He Wouldn’t even date people on meth or drugs."

If that ain't a meth user in denial. That's the worst drug going around right now but she excludes it as a drug.


"...and (CAS had)a very twisted sense of right and wrong most of the time"

So she let him move in and out repeatedly? She knew this but doubted that he really molested the 6 yr old? Uugh! I want to slap her. Tina too.

"I couldn’t do his laundry because I didn’t do it right. He actually sits there and watches the washer to make sure the clothes spread out right. Then, he rinses them 2-3 times."

WTF??? Sounds like he wanted to make sure no DNA or other evidence of his misdeeds were detected on his clothing.

"But, he’s also, like a farmer with animals. They have their purpose. He doesn’t like animals that don’t work"

Did she really say that? She and 3 other women are being sugar mommas to him and he doesn't like animals that don't work!! Have their purpose? Well we know he is a sexual predator. Wonder what his "purpose" was going to be for that dog.


"She was calling to tell me that they released Chet’s name that afternoon and she wanted to know if the police had talked to me about him. Tina also said that what kills her the most is that the little girl in the video just say Chet last week and was fine with him"

Released Chet's name. Not 'have just identified". Tina knew all along but wasn't going to turn him in.

And if Elaine is being honest, Tina sounds like she is mad that M is being looked at like a victim!!! What was the little girl supposed to do? Jump up and kick Chet's a**?

[Jaded]

I wondered if Tina didn't call Elaine thinking that LE was listening in on her conversations. She is the one who mentioned the dominatrix ex-girlfriend on national television. Maybe she thought she could get some suspicion off of her?

[itsreenw]

I wondered if Tina didn't call Elaine thinking that LE was listening in on her conversations. She is the one who mentioned the dominatrix ex-girlfriend on national television. Maybe she thought she could get some suspicion off of her?
You have a point there. Based on Tina's interview you would never think the two women lived in the same household at one time. Tina had the attitude like she knew of this person but not well. That's the impression I got.

And now Tina is declining interviews. Imagine that!!
http://www.kvbc.com/Global/story.asp?S=7229214&nav=menu107_2

[Busylady]

[quote=itsreenw;1745334] Tina had the attitude like she knew of this person but not well. That's the impression I got.

I think they were friends, Tina has Elaine as a friend on her myspace account. Well she did at one point, I just looked and Tina is now down to 9 friends. I am thinking Elaine has done some "cleaning" her dominatrix site is now closed down as well.

[cheko1]

I went to Tina's myspace / went under blogs / then comments & some of the comments were WOWWWWWWWWW........anyone wanting to see it should do so ASAP because I bet she sets it to private.Unless she adores the attention she is getting. !

[dee10134]

Elaine is trying to come across as such a good helpful person...if the public only knew...

Just because you're a dominatrix doesn't mean you're a bad person, does it? Is a stripper "bad person" because they take off their clothes for money?

I believe it's possible for people not to allow their occupations to define who they are outside of their workplaces, don't you?

[dee10134]

And I think Sylvia is her middle name, first name may be Claudia.

Someone told me the son had Stiles' last name. That's incorrect?

[DeltaDawn]

Just because you're a dominatrix doesn't mean you're a bad person, does it? Is a stripper "bad person" because they take off their clothes for money?

I believe it's possible for people not to allow their occupations to define who they are outside of their workplaces, don't you?

I think that is very possible Dee, I just don't think Elaine is one of them....she never turned Stiles in after the other lewedness charge and he was living with her on and off at that time. And now like Tina she is saying she never imagined this of him...I don't buy her story on that part...she knows more then she is saying... I didn't use the word bad..I said if people only knew ..that maybe she isn't as reputable as she sounds.

[DeltaDawn]

Someone told me the son had Stiles' last name. That's incorrect?

I was told he does not have Stiles last name...so we need to do some moe digging on that one too.

[DeltaDawn]

I PM'd Jeana to ask her to let us know what names we can and cannot print here. I think we have alot of info on people related to this case in one way or another, but I wanted to know for sure what we are allowed to print and what we aren't.

[Busylady]

He does not carry stiles last name.

Someone told me the son had Stiles' last name. That's incorrect?

[DeltaDawn]

Jeana answered my PM about who we could give the proper name for in our written accounts here. Below is her answer.
[QUOTE]
Do not use the name of the victim or her mother. As for the "stiles family and son, its okay as long as you don't mention any minors.
[QUOTE]

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote=DeltaDawn;1745861]Jeana answered my PM about who we could give the proper name for in our written accounts here. Below is her answer.
[QUOTE]
Do not use the name of the victim or her mother. As for the "stiles family and son, its okay as long as you don't mention any minors.

Thank you Delta for passing on the information from Jeana. This means Stiles son is off limits, but his ex-wife, if indeed they were married is okay to mention.

[DeltaDawn]

Thank you Delta for passing on the information from Jeana. This means Stiles son is off limits, but his ex-wife, if indeed they were married is okay to mention.[/COLOR]


You are most welcome Tom's Girl.

[DeltaDawn]

Has anyone come up with any info on Susan from El Cajon or SO CAL ?

[Tom'sGirl]

I have found Public Records indicating her name is Claudia Sylvia Iwanicki, age 39.

She is listed as legal owner of a modest Residential Townhome technically registered as Whitney,NV an unicorporated area, but mailing is Henderson, NV.

I believe Iwanicki is her maiden name, so if she was ever married to CAS she took back her maiden name, or never changed it to Stiles.

[Tom'sGirl]

Has anyone come up with any info on Susan from El Cajon or SO CAL ?

Sure haven't Delta, but I bet Elaine would have a bit more information on her I would think.

This Susan may in fact have only lived in the area of El Cajon, but rather in another City..............just guessing here again!

[DeltaDawn]

Right Tom's Girl and since San Diego and it's suburbs are sprawling she could be anywhere now.
Also on Stephani's myspace it looks like she and a few friends took a road trip to San Diego..wonder where they stayed then..maybe with the elusive Susan?

[Jaded]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=82089445

Claudia's myspace. Hasn't logged in for a long time.

[DeltaDawn]

Have any interviewers to any one's knowledge ever come right out and ask Elaine Thomas if she knows Tuck?

[DeltaDawn]

I have found Public Records indicating her name is Claudia Sylvia Iwanicki, age 39.

She is listed as legal owner of a modest Residential Townhome technically registered as Whitney,NV an unicorporated area, but mailing is Henderson, NV.

I believe Iwanicki is her maiden name, so if she was ever married to CAS she took back her maiden name, or never changed it to Stiles.

I know I've seen her name before, it must have been way back at the beginning of the case when we were looking up CAS

Which of the searches bring up the most info( that are Free)?

[Tom'sGirl]

I know I've seen her name before, it must have been way back at the beginning of the case when we were looking up CAS

Which of the searches bring up the most info( that are Free)?

The general ones, and State & County Records.

Oh, BTW, the link you posted in Photos/Media (http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bes...ter.stiles.cnn) I noticed in one old photo of CAS where you see a dog there is Tina in the background on the left.............at one time you can see from old photos/videos she used to be much heavier than she is presently.

[DeltaDawn]

Wonder how she lost the weight and how she feels with Elaine saying he likes older heavier women....the gloves are about to come off of those two!

[DeltaDawn]

DEE10134 FOUND THIS SITE FOR US THAT HAD THE INTERVIEW WITH Elaine Thomas
http://www.sarcasticcrime.com/

Saturday OCT 20TH 3pm pacific 6pm est they will be interviewing Elaine Thomas on live radio for a discussion of Chester Stiles life.... should be interesting.

Thank you DEE10134 for sharing this site with us.

[WhiteWolf]

Can someone please take a few notes from the radio interview and post them? Or maybe record the interview and transcribe parts later? Thanks in advance, I know it*s a lot to ask.

I wish we would have made a list of questions to ask Elaine.

[DeltaDawn]

We could still make up a list of questions to ask Elaine, but we would need someon to be online at that time to do this. Unfortunately I will be away Sat evening so the 6-8pm EST time frame doesn't work for me to be near a computer....

Would anyone be available to listen to this broadcast and either phone in or use the chat as a way to ask our questions?

[Jaded]

We could still make up a list of questions to ask Elaine, but we would need someon to be online at that time to do this. Unfortunately I will be away Sat evening so the 6-8pm EST time frame doesn't work for me to be near a computer....

Would anyone be available to listen to this broadcast and either phone in or use the chat as a way to ask our questions?

I'm not doing anything this weekend. I can try to do it. We should have a backup just in case. Or get a lot of us on there with questions.

[Tom'sGirl]

We could still make up a list of questions to ask Elaine, but we would need someon to be online at that time to do this. Unfortunately I will be away Sat evening so the 6-8pm EST time frame doesn't work for me to be near a computer....

Would anyone be available to listen to this broadcast and either phone in or use the chat as a way to ask our questions?

Don't know if I'll be home Sat. at 3:00 pm Pacific time, but if so, I will listen.

The number they give to call is in Manhattan, NY so don't think I'll be calling and hanging on for a free line :)

I imagine there will be a lot of listeners as I just got this notice:

Google Blogs Alert for: Chet Stiles
Chester Stiles Ex, Elaine Thomas Join us for a 2 hour Show. (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/crime/2007/10/20/Chester-Stiles-Ex-Elaine-Thomas-Join-us-for-a-2-hour-Show)
Stiles' ex girlfriend, Elaine Thomas and her Las Vegas attorney Conrad Claus join us for a 2 hour tell all interview about the life and leisure of Chet Stiles, and the events leading up to identifying him as the offender on the ...
Sarcastic Talk Radio - http://www.blogtalkradio.com/crime (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/crime)

[DeltaDawn]

It is also supposed to be live in their chat room..maybe it would be easier to get on that way? But I think quite a few people will be interested in that interview. Elaine's story so far seems to be the most beleivable of all the characters in this cast. She hasn't tripped up like Tina did by changing her story.

[DeltaDawn]

Todd always refers to "my sister and I" , meaning Stephani..does anyone know anything about her other 3 children ? Who they are, where they are living, their ages?

[Tom'sGirl]

Todd always refers to "my sister and I" , meaning Stephani..does anyone know anything about her other 3 children ? Who there are, where they are living, their ages?
From reading Todd's Journal he mentions his youngest brother's name as Paul, who would now be 18 years old. This has to be the sibling Todd referred to in an interview.

I believe there is another brother 22, possibly named Vaughn Michael Allen.

[DeltaDawn]

Then is there another younger sister to Todd and Stephani ?

I found familly court records that show Tina L Allen went to court to have a name change filed on a minor child to change the last name of the child to Allen. Then after that there appear to be cases involving Tina L Allen vs this child's father for child support..and the amounts are sizable, one is for $10000.

Name change filed on 1/31/01

child support filings against Lodis D Harper 11/15/2005, 11/30/2006, 6/26/2007

[Busylady]

I believe Tina's husbands name was Tony or Anthony.

[DeltaDawn]

That is correct Busy.

[Dryad]

There are 2 younger sisters that I have found. Tina did say that she had 5 children, whether they are all Tony's or not, I have no idea.

But now that someone asked...there is a 20-year-old daughter who recently had a new baby, and a 16-year-old daughter who is still in high school. They are on Tina's MySpace page and I have no doubt they are relatives. One resembles Stephani and the other looks alot like Todd.

[DeltaDawn]

We also have the name of Stiles former roomate who did an interview, but can't really see that he is connected to all this.

Busy,
I think that he could be connected as in also a friend of Tuck's or a friend of a friend of Tucks.. Would you mind psoting the name for us...just incase it is an assoc of other people later named.

[Busylady]

The only thing I can find is the following
Amber 20
Paul 18
Stephani 24
Todd 23
Rick (but no clue how old - got this from one of Todds journals)

[Busylady]

Busy,
I think that he could be connected as in also a friend of Tuck's or a friend of a friend of Tucks.. Would you mind psoting the name for us...just incase it is an assoc of other people later named.

Matthew Stafford

[DeltaDawn]

Thanks Busy...I want to post the name of the other child of Tina's but I can't find her exact birth date...so I am unsure of her age at this point. I am also thinking Rick maybe the boyfriend / husband of this girl.

[Dryad]

There is a girl named Hali who is 16 years old who (according to Amber's pictures) is another sister. She goes to the same high school the rest of the kids went to. She looks alot like Todd. I'm just going on what I find in their MySpace profiles, I have no concrete evidence of this.

[Tom'sGirl]

No matter how many names come up, Tina said she had five children so I think the family names intertwine themselves.

Each boyfriend, fiancé, or husband is referred to as a brother and visa versa for sisters.

Also, if Tony had children by another woman they too would be referred to as brothers or sisters.

Todd even referred to the father of Stephani's child as her fiancé back in Dec of '03, so she wasn't married at that point in time, maybe is now, who knows who's married and who isn't????

Now I wonder if Allen is Tony's last name since Tina goes by Allen, or was Allen her maiden name and grandma Krause remarried?

Maybe the name I found Vaughn Michael Allen 22, is related, but not one of Tina's sons................What a tangled web :rolleyes:

[Busylady]

Delta Dawn from what I found Todd talks about his brother Rick losing his wallet and not able to get a job in Ohio so he was gonna have a hard time paying rent. Thats why I think Rick is a brother. I saw the court record of the minor child name change, but im not sure if thats the same Tina Allen, cant find anything else referring to that name.

[DeltaDawn]

DiD anyone else go under the family courts in Vegas and find the Tina L Allen and the Lordis Harper connection with a name change and a child? Sorry Busy I didn't see your post..so Tina L Allen may not be the same.. okay.
Tom's girl...I am sure that Anthony Allen is the father of Stephani and Todd, and Paul. I think if she had the daughter after that relationship broke up she went to court to change the daughter's last name so that her name would be like everyone else's in the family. Or I may have the wrong person.

[Busylady]

I found birth records for Tina Allen - mother Nola Krause father Jerry Krause, Nola's maiden name was Fenby. Also a court action between Tina Allen and Anthony Allen for 1994 but it doesnt say what its for or anything so clueless if this is even the same people. I so agree with you TomsGirl, don't think there is anyway to know who is who because they all refer to each other as bro and sis.

[Tom'sGirl]

There is a girl named Hali who is 16 years old who (according to Amber's pictures) is another sister. She goes to the same high school the rest of the kids went to. She looks alot like Todd. I'm just going on what I find in their MySpace profiles, I have no concrete evidence of this.

LOL, they all are starting to look related the longer I look:bang: "BabyGirl" I wonder about.

Then there's Leah, and so many others. All I know is they almost all go to the same place to party where 'M's' mother works/worked and they all hang out together on outings and each others parties.

Most of them also have Dave (Z-Man) 'M's' mom's 36 year old boyfriend on their pages also.

[Busylady]

I did see that and a person with the same name as the minor child had a traffic ticket in 2006. But no way to know if they are related to this family.

DiD anyone else go under the family courts in Vegas and find the Tina L Allen and the Lordis Harper connection with a name change and a child?
Tom's girl...I am sure that Anthony Allen is the father of Stephani and Todd, and Paul. I think if she had the daughter after that relationship broke up she went to court to change the daughter's last name so that her name would be like everyone else's in the family.

[Busylady]

Also found in one of Todds journals he says he is a Dom, im sorry but that just sends more chills through me. Seems like this family is into alot of "different" things.

[DeltaDawn]

Thus the connection to Belle/Elaine...

[DeltaDawn]

I deleted the minors first name and middle initial.


Register Of Actions
Case No. 01D264401
In the Matter of the Petition for Change of Name by: Tina Allen§
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Case Type:Name Change PetitionDate Filed:01/31/2001Location:Department LConversion Case Number:D264401
Party Information
Lead AttorneysConversion Extended Connection TypeFinancial Conversion 01D264401
Removed: 03/23/2007
Converted From Blackstone
PetitionerAllen, Tina L
Pro Se
Retained Subject Minor Harper,
Events & Orders of the Court
DISPOSITIONS04/17/2001
8:01 AM Change of Name Granted (Judicial Officer: Lueck, Robert)
Converted Disposition:Description : ORDER FOR CHANGE OF NAMEDebtor : Harper, Kendall LCreditor : Amount Awarded : $0.00Attorney Fees : $0.00Costs : $0.00Interest Amount : $0.00Total : $0.00
OTHER EVENTS AND HEARINGS01/31/2001 Affidavit01/31/2001 Notice01/31/2001 Petition01/31/2001 Petition02/08/2001 Order04/06/2001 Affidavit04/11/2001 Petition04/17/2001 Judgment04/17/2001 Petition (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Lueck, Robert) Parties Present (https://secure1.co.clark.nv.us/odysseypa/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5499264&HearingID=76948144&SingleViewMode=PartyPresent)Result: Granted
Financial Information
Conversion Extended Connection Type Financial Conversion 01D264401 Total Financial Assessment 137.00 Total Payments and Credits 137.00 Balance Due as of 10/19/2007 0.00 01/31/2001 Transaction Assessment 137.0001/31/2001 Conversion Payment Receipt # 00270536 Tina L Allen (128.00)04/17/2001 Conversion Payment Receipt # 00280136 Tina L Allen (9.00)

[DeltaDawn]

I deleted the minor's first name, but it was th e same first name and initial that were on the original...which I know I also deleted.

Register Of Actions
Case No. 05R129948
Tina L Allen, Petitioner(s). vs. Lodis D Harper, Respondent(s).§
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Case Type:DA - UIFSADate Filed:05/03/2005Location:Department ECase Number History:05R129948 Conversion Case Number:R129948
Party Information
Lead AttorneysOtherPublic by DAFS
Roger, David J.
Retained PetitionerAllen, Tina L
RespondentHarper, Lodis D
Subject Minor Allen,
Events & Orders of the Court
DISPOSITIONS11/15/2005
9:52 AM Converted From Blackstone (Judicial Officer: Pomrenze, Sandra)
Converted Disposition:Description : MASTER'S RECOMMENDATION AND ORDERDebtor : Harper, Lodis DCreditor : Allen, Tina LAmount Awarded : $5847.00Attorney Fees : $0.00Costs : $0.00Interest Amount : $0.00Total : $5847.00
11/30/2006
11:55 AM Converted From Blackstone (Judicial Officer: Pomrenze, Sandra)
Converted Disposition:Description : MASTER'S RECOMMENDATION AND ORDERDebtor : Harper, Lodis DCreditor : Allen, Tina LAmount Awarded : $9913.67Attorney Fees : $0.00Costs : $0.00Interest Amount : $0.00Total : $9913.67
06/28/2007
Master's Recommendation (Judicial Officer: Teuton, Sylvia)
Support (Child, Obligor: Harper, Lodis D, Obligee: Allen, Tina L,On Behalf Of: Public by DAFS $10,278.30 , One Time)
OTHER EVENTS AND HEARINGS05/03/2005 Notice05/03/2005 Petition & Request for Enforcement06/06/2005 Affidavit of Service06/27/2005 Hearing06/29/2005 Document Filed06/29/2005 Document Filed08/01/2005 Notice08/05/2005 Converted from Blackstone10/27/2005 Hearing (9:45 AM) (Judicial Officer Kurtz, Thomas) Parties Present (https://secure1.co.clark.nv.us/odysseypa/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5653335&HearingID=77440621&SingleViewMode=PartyPresent)Result: Matter Heard11/15/2005 Judgment12/14/2005 Notice07/03/2006 Writ10/02/2006 Petition10/05/2006 Affidavit of Service10/05/2006 Document Filed10/05/2006 Order11/06/2006 Petition (9:45 AM) (Judicial Officer Muirhead, Greta) Parties Present (https://secure1.co.clark.nv.us/odysseypa/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=5653335&HearingID=77440622&SingleViewMode=PartyPresent)Result: Matter Heard11/13/2006 Review11/30/2006 Judgment02/08/2007 Notice05/14/2007 Review (9:45 AM) (Judicial Officer Beller, Sylvia) Result: Off Calendar07/24/2007 Notice of Entry of Order/Judgment

[DeltaDawn]

So who is 'Little Momma" that seems to showup on all their myspaces?
Okay I read her comments from her friends on MySpace..she is Amber..that makes sense.

[Busylady]

I think Little Moma is Amber one of Tina Allens children. But could totally be wrong.

[Busylady]

And sometimes on friends list seems to be the father of Stephani children (rob)i believe is he name.

[Busylady]

I really don't know how importnat this all is but my main goal is to try and come up with a connection to darren tuck (not even sure of correct spelling have seen it darrin and darren

[STEADFAST]

I really don't know how importnat this all is but my main goal is to try and come up with a connection to darren tuck (not even sure of correct spelling have seen it darrin and darren

There seems to be a fair amount of interest in dirt bike racing in common with Tuck.

[Busylady]

I was gonna search z-man friends and profile to see if there was a darren tuck on there to see if we could find a connection just havent gotten that fair yet.

[DeltaDawn]

If Elaine is in Pahrump and Tuck is living in Pahrump..and Tuck "found" this taape, then there is a connection between this group and Tuck. I think the interview with Elaine tonight may be interesting, but with her lawyer sitting right there I don't think she will say anything to implicate herself in this case.

[DeltaDawn]

Editing my last post I should say Elaine was in Henderson and CAS was in Pahrump and Tuck was in Pahrump.

[Nancye1962]

I have a question, that I've been unable to locate any facts on. Does anyone know if there is a connection between Chester Stiles and the Janice Stiles of Columbus Ohio that is believed to be responsible for the disappearance of Aaron Cody Stepp? Better yet, does anyone know the genealogy of Chester Stiles? Like his father, or grandfather?
Thanks,
Nancy

:(

[Busylady]

Chester A. Stiles born 4/7/1950 died 12/15/1995 his mother was Doris Hartlage

Chester A. Stiles born 9/14/1970 - father listed above mother Sandra L. Cooke

I believe Chesters father remarried in 1990 to a Diane Young

still looking will let ya know if I find more.

[dee10134]

I have a question, that I've been unable to locate any facts on. Does anyone know if there is a connection between Chester Stiles and the Janice Stiles of Columbus Ohio that is believed to be responsible for the disappearance of Aaron Cody Stepp? Better yet, does anyone know the genealogy of Chester Stiles? Like his father, or grandfather?
Thanks,
Nancy

:(

Chester's a junior. His father is Chester Arthur Stiles, Sr. and mother is Sandra L Cooke. Chester was born in Kentucky.

There's a Janice Stiles that died in 1982 in Kentucky at the age of 37. This could be CAS' aunt (his father's sister).

There was a history of purported sexual abuse in CAS' past. Maybe that Janice is a relative in some faculty?

[SuziQ]

I have a question, that I've been unable to locate any facts on. Does anyone know if there is a connection between Chester Stiles and the Janice Stiles of Columbus Ohio that is believed to be responsible for the disappearance of Aaron Cody Stepp? Better yet, does anyone know the genealogy of Chester Stiles? Like his father, or grandfather?
Thanks,
Nancy

:(

Nancy, Very strange story about Aaron. I'm always suspicious of children who are reported missing when they suddenly have to be accounted for. Such as Aarons mom was going to be released from prison the next day. In another case, the Marine who was coming home and Aaron Thompson was pending a DHS visit, IIRC. IMO, this case is deserving of it's very own thread, if there isn't already one.

http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=46759

[Busylady]

I can find stuff on Chester Sr's Mom -
Doris Hartlage born 1925 her parents were Carrie Gardner and John Hartlage
Havent been able to find anything so far on Chester Sr's father.

[JackSprat24]

I am new to this forum, but have been lurking for some time because the details/players involved in this case are so bizarre. Has anyone seen the comments on sarcasticcrime.com from an individual who said he/she attended high school with Stiles in Texas, and that it was likely that he was sold to an active prostition or porn ring as a child in the area since that is what happened to the person writing comment? What does everyone make of that theory?

[Jeana (DP)]

I am new to this forum, but have been lurking for some time because the details/players involved in this case are so bizarre. Has anyone seen the comments on sarcasticcrime.com from an individual who said he/she attended high school with Stiles in Texas, and that it was likely that he was sold to an active prostition or porn ring as a child in the area since that is what happened to the person writing comment? What does everyone make of that theory?

Welcome Jack!!!! You can't post those comments here (and we normally don't even allow the link to the other forums; however, would you be so kind as to send me a copy of those comments at wbsleuth@xmission.com or copy them and PM them to me here.

Thanks very much! I look forward to hearing more from you on this subjectl

[itsreenw]

I am new to this forum, but have been lurking for some time because the details/players involved in this case are so bizarre. Has anyone seen the comments on sarcasticcrime.com from an individual who said he/she attended high school with Stiles in Texas, and that it was likely that he was sold to an active prostition or porn ring as a child in the area since that is what happened to the person writing comment? What does everyone make of that theory?

I just read the comment. This person really should contact LE. Not to help CAS, but if it is true, there are pedos in TX that are getting away with child molestation. They may be older but their sick desire for kids doesn't go away with age.

I hope this person finds the courage to come forward and do the right thing for him/herself, and others that were abused.

[DeltaDawn]

I read those comments also and felt that that person needs to get in touch with LE in that Texas town..because unless they know otherwise it may still be going on. What a sad world we live in when families sell their own children.

[Filly]

Tina also said that <b>what kills her the most is that the little girl in the video just say Chet last week and was fine with him What was the little girl supposed to do? Jump up and kick Chet's a**?
Hey Guys I'm not following this crime at all, but had to comment on this. I hope it is alright. I don't know who "Tina" is, but I'd like to meet her. The little girl was just fine around the sick, depraved, freak, ugly, pervert? Reenw you are so right. If only more people understood this. What the heck is a child supposed to do? The poor little girl who I have heard through media the mom says is just fine. Guess what? She may be fine NOW, and wait until she becomes a mother herself or her child gets to be the age she was when that happened to her. Fine? The person that sexually abused me as a child I was around plenty of times and not until I was an ADULT with my nephew in my arms did it all just come back. I had a child with me in my arms that I loved and to see that freak sitting there and thinking he'd even glance my nephews way had me promptly turn and leave the home and go into hysterics. Vomit and become an emotional wreck. Yeah, I was just peachy from age 8 on up to like 25 until that happened. O.K. thank you I just had to say that. These adults in this world who either want to feign disbelief or are just evil can all kiss my butt. Kid's just fine? Pffffffffffftttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, had to get that out. Poor, poor little girl. Let's not forget there's hundreds more of her out there this very day probably. It sickens me.

[Indy Gal]

((((((filly))))))

[DeltaDawn]

Glad to see your post Filly..hope you'll stay and help us dig for more info on Tuck, Stiles and friends....

[Tom'sGirl]

Glad to see your post Filly..hope you'll stay and help us dig for more info on Tuck, Stiles and friends....
Ditto that!

[DeltaDawn]

So has anyone found out anymore on Tuck in relation to CAS and how he possibly got the tape. We think it was possibly stolen in a robbery..could that robbery have taken place where CAS lived in PAHRUMP? Or when a car was parked in Pahrump? Could any of Tina's kids poSsibly know Tuck..they're about the same age..exactly where that would lead I don't know unless there would be a mutual friend between CAS and Tuck, without either of them knowing the other? I still feel like the other shoe hasn't dropped yet..I don't think this is the only tape CAS ever made and I don't think this is the one and only time he taped himself with a child or an adult for that matter.

[itsreenw]

Filly, thank you for posting. I experienced somewhat the same thing. I didn't speak out until about 10 yrs ago when my niece was starting to rebel after coming from the sitter's house in the evenings. I picked her up for my sis one day and saw that look of "I want to tell you something so bad but I can't"... It was then, that I disclosed to my sister what happened to me as a young child everytime we visited a certain family. Everything is clear in my mind like it was yesterday so while M amy be supressing those memories, they are no doubt, in the back of her mind.

DD, I agree. He was way too relaxed for that to have been his first experience with the cam corder. (Blinds open, daytime, etc) That is brazen.

[itsreenw]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7163785

Don't know if I'm late in posting this but there's a newsclip that says they had a search warrant for Stiles DNA the day after he was arrested.

It said the incident in the video happened at the apt on W. Rochelle (sic) where M and her mother lived at the time.

It said the video shows that "dna evidence from Stiles landed on the sheet" seen in the video and the sheet was turned over to LE by M's mom for comparison. DNA evidence is still obtainable 4 yrs later.

In the 6 yr old's case, there is evidence in custody of LE that can now be compared to Stiles DNA. They have...

Underwear, sweat pants, sweat shirt and part of a carpet.

[Tom'sGirl]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7163785

Don't know if I'm late in posting this but there's a newsclip that says they had a search warrant for Stiles DNA the day after he was arrested.

Thanks so much itsreenw, I just got this update


New Evidence Revealed Against Chester Stiles
Oct 31, 2007 06:06 PM PDT

Eyewitness News has uncovered disturbing new details in the case against Chester Stiles. Metro is trying to link Stiles to two sexual assaults on little children by DNA evidence.

Most of his 23 state charges come from a videotape turned over to the Nye County sheriff. Police say the tape shows Stiles raping a girl not even 3-years-old.

On Oct. 16, the day after Henderson police captured Stiles, Metro detectives collected his DNA. Metro Captain Vincent Cannito confirmed they collected the evidence.

"In addition to some additional interviews, the execution of a search warrant for Mr. Stiles' DNA that was signed this morning by Judge Lippis. The samples were collected at CCDC," said Capt. Cannito.

Search warrant documents say Metro police actually identified the sheets seen on the videotape showing Stiles raping a girl not even 3-years-old. The documents show the tape was made in 2003 in an apartment building on West Rochelle and they show the video was 20 minutes long, taped in one continual shot.

The search warrant says the video shows evidence from Stiles landed on the sheets. The search warrant goes on to say police recently got those sheets from the victim's mother. Metro's crime lab technicians say they can recover DNA evidence from the sheets even now, four years later.

The search warrant goes on to say Stiles' DNA may also be found in evidence from a second victim. She was just 6-years-old at the time of the sexual assault.

Police say Stiles assaulted the girl. Metro collected underwear, sheets, pillows, part of a carpet, a sweat shirt, and sweat pants the day of the crime in 2003. The evidence has stayed with police and can now be tested against Stiles' DNA.

Based on this, police may be able to link Stiles to the crimes by more than just the videotape.

Metro declined comment on whether items acquired by the search warrant were a match. Still, police appear to have more evidence than just the videotape in one assault and the word of a victim who was 6-years-old at the time.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=7293271 (http://www.lasvegasnow.com/global/story.asp?s=7293271)

[DeltaDawn]

From the Pahrump Valley Times yesterday on the sentencing of Tuck for not paying child support

snip/
Sheriff's Det. David Boruchowitz testified to Tuck's turning the tape over to him and his admission to burying it under his trailer after watching part of it.

snip/

http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2007/Oct-31-Wed-2007/news/17608782.html

[dee10134]

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=7163785

Don't know if I'm late in posting this but there's a newsclip that says they had a search warrant for Stiles DNA the day after he was arrested.

It said the incident in the video happened at the apt on W. Rochelle (sic) where M and her mother lived at the time.

It said the video shows that "dna evidence from Stiles landed on the sheet" seen in the video and the sheet was turned over to LE by M's mom for comparison. DNA evidence is still obtainable 4 yrs later.

In the 6 yr old's case, there is evidence in custody of LE that can now be compared to Stiles DNA. They have...

Underwear, sweat pants, sweat shirt and part of a carpet.

I posted this this morning in the General Case discussion thread.

[DeltaDawn]

From the Pahrump Daily Times article dated Oct3,07
SNIP/
Boruchowitz said at a press conference last week that Tuck's turning in the tape coincided with the break-up of a large burglary ring the sheriff's office was investigating at the time, from which quite a few people were arrested.
The detective added that Tuck was directly associated with some of the people in the burglary ring, although no link between that case and Tuck's possession of the videotape was ever defined.
/SNIP


From the Pahrump Daily times OCT5, 2007

SNIP/
One issue of contention is whether or not Tuck showed the videotape to other people prior to turning it over to authorities.
DeMeo has said his office was contacted by people who said they saw a portion of the actual film.
Tuck's lawyers, however, maintain Tuck showed the tape only to people while he was asking for advice about what to do with it, and never played the footage for anyone.
/SNIP

[DeltaDawn]

I am trying to sort out Tuck's involvement with the tape and the burglary ring. From the above articles:

1. Tuck turned in the tape on Sept 9th.
2. At about that same time a burglary ring was broken up, some members arrested
3. Concerning that burglary ring ,Tuck is said by police to have direct connections to some of those people.
4. Tuck said the tape was found in the desert, but admitted to having it 5 months, and burying it under his trailer to Nye County detect.
5. Tuck is said to have turned it in as part of his 12 step program for drug abuse (METH), after only 2 weeks in the program.
6. Tuck says he never played the tape for anyone, however the sherrif's office recd calls from people who had viewed the tape.

My thoughts:
Some time between August and Sept a burlargy ring was broken up that he knew members of directly. I went back to the records , there are a host of drug and burglary arrests in Nye Co at that time. I am going to try to narrow it down some and see what I can find.

[Tom'sGirl]

Perhaps now with this breaking news we may learn a bit more as to who Stiles associates are.......hmm, and who paid for his lodging.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1771543&postcount=143

[DeltaDawn]

Great, great catch Tom's Girl...this blows some people's assumption that CAS only did Marijuana out of the water. Thank you so much.

[Tom'sGirl]

Has anyone come up with any info on Susan from El Cajon or SO CAL ?

We know her name now don't we!

http://news.eyewitnessnews8.com/docu...rchwarrant.pdf (http://news.eyewitnessnews8.com/documents/stiles_searchwarrant.pdf)

[DeltaDawn]

Yes we do TG..thanks to you catching this info.

Thank you, thank you..we know there is more to come once we research her background.

[itsreenw]

I'm afraid to hear what was on the film they found.

[DeltaDawn]

Me too , itsreenw...what an idiot to still have a video camera in his possesion when he knew he was wanted by the police...there had to be film in it that he was afraid at that point to dispose ...since LE knew his face. He was a man with no where to hide an place to dispose of his belongings that would convict him.

[Tom'sGirl]

I'm afraid to hear what was on the film they found.

This all goes to show, many were slamming LV/Clark County for not being on the ball and releasing information like Pahrump/Nye County. It may take some time, but they have to be careful with what they put out there to the Media and not let everyone know every aspect of their investigation.

[Tom'sGirl]

Me too , itsreenw...what an idiot to still have a video camera in his possesion when he knew he was wanted by the police...there had to be film in it that he was afraid at that point to dispose ...since LE knew his face.

Well, he knew enough to keep everything at his Hotel/Motel room and not carry it in the car. BUT, he was stupid enough to have receipts in the vehicle, but then he's not a mental giant!

[itsreenw]

Sheriff's Det. David Boruchowitz testified to Tuck's turning the tape over to him and his admission to burying it under his trailer after watching part of it. [/size]

snip/

http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2007/Oct-31-Wed-2007/news/17608782.html OMG, what a crock... how logical is that?? Is that the advice his girlfriend gave him when he showed it to her?? To bury it for 5 months then turn it in? Good luck, Tuck!!

The search warrant leaves me with many questions...

It's my guess that Stiles was out on a dope run when he got busted. Susan must've been at another location. Nobody was in that room when he got busted or they would've gathered up the dope and paraphernalia and got the heck outta there. So where was Susan and who was she with while he was getting busted?

And exactly how did the security guy know there was about a quarter pound of coke in the bag? Did he drop it on the scale and take a lil bit before he called LE??

Who is Billy Richardson? The motel employees had never seen Stiles (so they say), so who went into the office to check in? The real Billy Richardson, maybe? Did Stiles have a partner in crime? Is he a victim of Stiles? I hope the real Billy Richardson is not a newly listed missing person. That is probably who's license Stiles presented to LE when they pulled him over. They said the pic looked nothing like CAS.

I bet it won't be long before Susan is arrested for manufacturing drugs. The pot she was so concerned about, no doubt, was being used to "cook" the coke and turn it into crack. In a case of this magnitude, would anyone be that concerned about getting a pot back? She's another nominee for her supporting role as the "innocent, naive exgirlfriend".

And wasn't there a story about the white Buick coming from one of Tina's friends in another state??? I cant keep up with the lies.

[SeriouslySearching]

So now he is claiming the tape was buried twice! LE said there was no sign the tape was ever buried in the desert because there was no dirt or sand present. This goes toward Tuck lying again.

"As far as the drug court program, if you check on the dates, I wasn't in drug court two weeks when I decided to turn the tape in," Tuck told Lane. "And like you said, with the twelve steps, that I thought was a part of making amends and ... doing what's right and trying to clear my conscience." http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2007/Oct-31-Wed-2007/news/17608782.html

This statement makes me wonder what he is trying to clear his conscience OF. Was it JUST having the tape and keeping it? Has to be more to it than that, imo. Besides that, didn't we find out that other people were going to turn him in or did?!

Susan sounds like she is in this up to her eyeballs, too. Why would she be stupid enough to ask for her grandmother's pressure cooker back? My guess is she wanted to make it sound quite innocent in case they found it with the drugs...well...that backfired! What was her grandmother's pressure cooker doing in the freaking car she gave to Stiles in the first place? Odd place for Granny to leave it, isn't it?! (rolls eyes) Yes...rocket scientists involved with Stiles for certain!! The cast of characters keeps getting deeper and dumber!!

[Al_B]

how long had Tuck been working those steps? Amends is step 9 and it takes time to get there if you work the steps right.
THE TWELVE STEPS
OF ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS

1. We admitted we were powerless over alcohol — that our lives had become unmanageable.
2. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity.
3. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him.
4. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
5. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
11. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.
http://www.alcoholics-anonymous.org/en_information_aa.cfm?PageID=17&SubPage=68
they are the same for NA except slight word changes

I honestly think he is just full of poo! about everything

[itsreenw]

I spent the last hour and a half looking for the wrong last name.:(

[DeltaDawn]

I haven't been able to find anything on Susan Wyndrum....has anyone else found any info on her?

[dee10134]

Great, great catch Tom's Girl...this blows some people's assumption that CAS only did Marijuana out of the water. Thank you so much.

Maybe he really only did marijuana but was selling the harder street drugs as a way to fund his life on the run?

[dee10134]

:clap::clap::clap: EXCELLENT catch Tom's Girl!

Perhaps now with this breaking news we may learn a bit more as to who Stiles associates are.......hmm, and who paid for his lodging.

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1771543&postcount=143

[dee10134]

I'm afraid to hear what was on the film they found.

They listed the films on the search warrant:

One was "Exit to Eden" which is a 1994 film. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109758/

Another was a Magnavox tape with Stevie Ray Vaughn (musician) on it.

And the last was a tape of Victor Wooten and Carter Beauford, which are also musicians. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/victor_wooten_and_carter_beauford/

Now, just because they are titled VHS tapes doesn't mean that CAS didn't record OTHER stuff over them..... :sick:

[dee10134]

I've answered within the quote.

<snip>
The search warrant leaves me with many questions...

ME TOO!

It's my guess that Stiles was out on a dope run when he got busted. Susan must've been at another location. Nobody was in that room when he got busted or they would've gathered up the dope and paraphernalia and got the heck outta there. So where was Susan and who was she with while he was getting busted?

And exactly how did the security guy know there was about a quarter pound of coke in the bag? Did he drop it on the scale and take a lil bit before he called LE??

Really? I couldn't walk into a room and say, hey there's a quarter pound of coke. $20 says he took a baggie of his own, but then again, he could have taken it all and the cops would never have known...

Who is Billy Richardson? The motel employees had never seen Stiles (so they say), so who went into the office to check in? The real Billy Richardson, maybe? Did Stiles have a partner in crime? Is he a victim of Stiles? I hope the real Billy Richardson is not a newly listed missing person. That is probably who's license Stiles presented to LE when they pulled him over. They said the pic looked nothing like CAS.

I think Billy Richardson could have been the drivers license that CAS was passing off as his own.

I bet it won't be long before Susan is arrested for manufacturing drugs. The pot she was so concerned about, no doubt, was being used to "cook" the coke and turn it into crack. In a case of this magnitude, would anyone be that concerned about getting a pot back? She's another nominee for her supporting role as the "innocent, naive exgirlfriend".

They call her his EX-girlfriend, but really who knows. She was one of the last people to see CAS before he went out on the run (she "sold" him her car...)

And wasn't there a story about the white Buick coming from one of Tina's friends in another state??? I cant keep up with the lies.

Susan is purportedly from El Cajon, California, but I thought that Tina mentioned the car came from somewhere on the east coast?

[dee10134]

So now he is claiming the tape was buried twice! LE said there was no sign the tape was ever buried in the desert because there was no dirt or sand present. This goes toward Tuck lying again.

"As far as the drug court program, if you check on the dates, I wasn't in drug court two weeks when I decided to turn the tape in," Tuck told Lane. "And like you said, with the twelve steps, that I thought was a part of making amends and ... doing what's right and trying to clear my conscience." http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2007/Oct-31-Wed-2007/news/17608782.html

This statement makes me wonder what he is trying to clear his conscience OF. Was it JUST having the tape and keeping it? Has to be more to it than that, imo. Besides that, didn't we find out that other people were going to turn him in or did?!

Susan sounds like she is in this up to her eyeballs, too. Why would she be stupid enough to ask for her grandmother's pressure cooker back? My guess is she wanted to make it sound quite innocent in case they found it with the drugs...well...that backfired! What was her grandmother's pressure cooker doing in the freaking car she gave to Stiles in the first place? Odd place for Granny to leave it, isn't it?! (rolls eyes) Yes...rocket scientists involved with Stiles for certain!! The cast of characters keeps getting deeper and dumber!!

The warrant says it's her MOTHER's pressure cooker. But still, why the hell would it be in the back seat of the car Susan "sold" CAS if it was her mother's???

[dee10134]

Is there a different 12 steps for Narcotics Anonymous? They mentioned Tuck had a meth addiction, not an alcohol addiction. I guess it's the same addiction, just a different animal?

[dee10134]

I haven't been able to find anything on Susan Wyndrum....has anyone else found any info on her?

DD I'm looking more into Susan Wyndrum and into Bill Richardson. I'll let you all know if I can find anything...

[DeltaDawn]

DD I'm looking more into Susan Wyndrum and into Bill Richardson. I'll let you all know if I can find anything...

The drivers license was an expired California license when he was arrested. So I looked for a Billy Richardson in California...there are alot them. However the only Susan Wyndrum I could find, was by spelling the last name with with an i instead of y, and that person currently lives in Wash.State. So maybe Susan Wyndrum is an alias that she uses, like CAS using Billy Richardson.

[DeltaDawn]

"Exit To Eden" is a R rated movie, so not porn, but a comedy, but interestingly enough Dana Delaney and Rosie O'Donnell each play a Dominatrix in this movie..why does that theme keep coming up in this case?

Also I agree that these tapes are probably old and what better to record his sexual adventures on..I hope someone in LE has viewed these to be sure they are not more of his child porn tapes.

[Al_B]

in NA drugs is used in place of alcohol and alcohol is a drug covers everything
http://www.nawny.org/PI/12_STEPS.HTML
they just switch out whatever addiction in general for the steps be it drugs ,food, gambling

"dee10134
Is there a different 12 steps for Narcotics Anonymous? They mentioned Tuck had a meth addiction, not an alcohol addiction. I guess it's the same addiction, just a different animal?"

[dee10134]

The drivers license was an expired California license when he was arrested. So I looked for a Billy Richardson in California...there are alot them. However the only Susan Wyndrum I could find, was by spelling the last name with with an i instead of y, and that person currently lives in Wash.State. So maybe Susan Wyndrum is an alias that she uses, like CAS using Billy Richardson.


I saw the exact same thing. Susan WINDREM in California, but she's up near San Francisco (Kelseyville to be exact) and married to a Roberto Lozano.

[dee10134]

"Exit To Eden" is a R rated movie, so not porn, but a comedy, but interestingly enough Dana Delaney and Rosie O'Donnell each play a Dominatrix in this movie..why does that theme keep coming up in this case?

Also I agree that these tapes are probably old and what better to record his sexual adventures on..I hope someone in LE has viewed these to be sure they are not more of his child porn tapes.

Oh, I'm sure they have. With his history, I wouldn't put it past him.

[DeltaDawn]

There is a Susan M Windrem, age 54 in San Diego.. not sure if that is the person we are looking for. She seems a little older then CAS usually 40 somthing girlfriends.

Susan M Windrem, age 54, San Diego, also went to El Cajon Valley High School. M stands for Michele.

There are also addresses listed for her in Las Vegas and Mount Pleasant, Arizonia.

Looks like she has two children, possibly a son and daughter-in-law, or they are neice and nephew, that would be about CAS age...maybe that is how she met him... and they decided to do a little business together. How else would a man on the run come up with 1/2 pound of coke? Or maybe she is a past associate of his parents, she'd be the right age for that. Either way I don't think she is squeeky clean.

The son and daughter or daughter-in-law, or neice and nephew haven't figured which yet, have addresses in Vegas and Arizonia, too. Robert Windrem and Claire Windrem. A Jon Windrem is also listed as a relative age 59. Could this be a husband or ex husband or brother? He also has addresses in Vegas and Mount Pleasant AR., but not San Diego.

Didn't Elaine and/or Tina talk about a girlfriend or friends of CAS in Arizonia?

The son has alises too in the last name of Robinson, although his real last name is listed as Windrem.

Now we just need to tie this into Billy Richardson, which I did find 1 Billy Richardson living in San Diego CA that has 2 alises he uses...Maurice Peete, and Billy M Peete, age listed as 53, no relatives listed. Maybe another friend of CAS or Susan, who let CAS have the old license.

This is getting interesting now.

[dee10134]

GREAT SLEUTHING DD!!!! I think this is CAS' Susan.

[DeltaDawn]

Thank you DEE for posting the link to Claire's MySpace. I do think this is the right family..maybe Jon and Susan are divorced or brother and sister. Or maybe they are married and are into swinging..

When I read Claire's Myspace it says that Robert's Dad died a few years ago.

[Filly]

Claires a legal assistant. Interesting. Plus she was born in Scotland. Good lookout you guys. Super Sleuthing.

[Tom'sGirl]

And wasn't there a story about the white Buick coming from one of Tina's friends in another state??? I cant keep up with the lies.


IIRC I heard the Buick was registered in Boston, Massachusetts in July '07. In one of the videos of the inside of the car after Stiles was arrested the camera panned the inside of the vehicle, and there was some sort of registration card/or other that had Mass on it. Sorry, but most of the videos are no longer available.

So, if the car was registered to Susan, she must have had temporary registration????

[DeltaDawn]

Claires a legal assistant. Interesting. Plus she was born in Scotland. Good lookout you guys. Super Sleuthing.

Claire seems very different from her website, then say Tina's children. And she is a legal assistant who has held the position for quite sometime. I wonder if she ever met CAS? It just doesn't seem like he would fit in with that side of Susan's family. I wonder if she and her husband were divorced, because he doesn't have a San Diego address..just Vegas and Arizonia. Maybe they divorced and the son lived with him. And maybe that is part of the reason Susan would make trips to Vegas, to see the family.

[dee10134]

ARIZONA CONNECTION?

"Beth D. Windrem Passed away October 18, 2004 after a long struggle with cancer. She is survived by husband, Emory; sons, Kevin and Craig; two nieces; and one nephew. One of her greatest pleasures was needlework. She was an active member of The Tucson Chapter, American Embroiderer's Guild, The Embroiderer's Guild of America, Tucson Chapter and Embroiderer's of Tucson. She also enjoyed playing bridge with the First Wednesday Bridge Group. She assisted with needlework projects for the Alter Guild at St. Philip's. A memorial service will be held at St. Philip's-in-the-Hills Episcopal Church, 4440 N. Campbell Ave at 2:00 pm on Saturday, October 30, 2004."

From the Tuscon.com Tuscon AZ Newspapers.

[dee10134]

MARRIAGE INFORMATION FOR ROBERT & CLAIRE:

Groom: Robert Wallace Windrem II
Bride: Claire Rachel AL Chisholm
Date of Marriage: 20 Mar 1999
Type of Ceremony: Religious
County: Clark
Book 330, Page D045806, Instrument #79340.

So Robert is a JR. So his father would be Robert Wallace Windrem, Sr. I want to figure out when he died and when he married Susan. I wonder why the cops had her last name spelt incorrectly on the search warrant for CAS' room?

[dee10134]

BIRTH RECORD FOR ROBERT WINDREM, JR.

California Birth Index, 1905-1995 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5247&enc=1)
about Robert W Windrem

Name: Robert W Windrem
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1972
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Jarvis----->>>> This would be Susan's maiden name.
Birth County: San Diego

[dee10134]

BIRTH RECORD FOR ROBERT WINDREM, SR.

California Birth Index, 1905-1995 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5247&enc=1)
about Robert W Windrem

Name: Robert W Windrem
Birth Date: 23 Dec 1917
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Wood
Birth County: Los Angeles

[dee10134]

IS THIS SUSAN'S MOTHER??? THE ONE THAT SUPPOSEDLY OWNED THE PRESSURE COOKER???? (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4109&enc=1)

San Diego Union-Tribune (California) Obituaries, 1993-94 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=4109&enc=1)
about Jarvis, Donna Jean

Name of Deceased: Jarvis, Donna Jean
Spouse: Jarvis, Arthur
Children: Robert, Christopher, Susan Windrem, Nancy, Joyce Clancy, LuAn
Date of Death: 02-Jul-93
Place of Death: El Cajon
Misc: died at the age of 65

[dee10134]

1960's POSSIBLE PHOTO OF SUSAN WINDREM AT U.C.S.C.:

http://www.pioneerclass.org/trailer1e.html

[dee10134]

I'M CONFUSED:

Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1100&enc=1)
about Susan Michele Jarvis

Name: Susan Michele Jarvis
Gender: Female
Residence State: California
Spouse: Jon M Windrem
Spouse residence state: California
Marriage Date: 20 Mar 1971
Marriage city: Las Vegas
Officiant type: Religious celebrant
Recorded Date: 8 Apr 1971
Recorded county: Clark

[Jeana (DP)]

DO NOT POST INFORMATION ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ARE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE AND NEVER, NEVER, NEVER POST INFORMATION SUCH AS ADDRESSES, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, ETC.

Also, no posting of Myspace page links. I don't care if you PM them to one another, but I don't want them posted here unless they belong to a perp.

[dee10134]

DO NOT POST INFORMATION ABOUT INDIVIDUALS THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ARE INVOLVED IN THIS CASE AND NEVER, NEVER, NEVER POST INFORMATION SUCH AS ADDRESSES, SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, ETC.

Also, no posting of Myspace page links. I don't care if you PM them to one another, but I don't want them posted here unless they belong to a perp.

What if they're dead? The Social Security DEATH Index, is just that, an index of deceased people and their social security numbers. There is no living person's info there.

[Jeana (DP)]

What if they're dead? The Social Security DEATH Index, is just that, an index of deceased people and their social security numbers. There is no living person's info there.

I don't care. Just XXXXXX out that part.

[dee10134]

I don't care. Just XXXXXX out that part.

That's all part of public record. And they cannot be reused. I don't understand what the big deal is. Anyone can go to Ancestry.com or anywhere else and look these people up.

I'm not trying to be a pain, I just want to understand the policy.

[dee10134]

And should I be going back to my previous post and XXXXX'ing out stuff? If so, what info should be XXXXXX'ed out?

[Jeana (DP)]

That's all part of public record. And they cannot be reused. I don't understand what the big deal is. Anyone can go to Ancestry.com or anywhere else and look these people up.

I'm not trying to be a pain, I just want to understand the policy.

We are NOT going to post social security numbers. That's the policy. Thanks for your cooperation.

[Jeana (DP)]

And should I be going back to my previous post and XXXXX'ing out stuff? If so, what info should be XXXXXX'ed out?

I deleted most of them, but if you see another, PM me the link please. Thanks.

[itsreenw]

Maybe he really only did marijuana but was selling the harder street drugs as a way to fund his life on the run?They found crack pipes in the room so it is likely he was also smoking crack. (Unless they were crank pipes???)

Hey, I didn't see a VCR listed on the search warrant but he had video tapes in the room. Kinda scary. Gives me the idea that the labels on the tapes were not really what was on the tapes. He kept those tapes in his possession while he was on the run even though he had a storage locker and no VCR to watch them on. Probably wanted to make sure those didn't end up on the news. too.

[MrsBuckWeaver]

M CONFUSED:

Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1100&enc=1)
about Susan Michele Jarvis

Name: Susan Michele Jarvis
Gender: Female
Residence State: California
Spouse: Jon M Windrem I'm confused too! Did she marry both brothers??? Or just marry Jon and have Robert's son a year later?? Or do we know for sure that Robert's her son? Maybe a nephew that lived w/ them? How did we figure out it's her son?

ETA: oh, here. I'm even more confused now. California Birth Index, 1905-1995 (http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=5247&enc=1)
about Robert W Windrem

Name: Robert W Windrem
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1972
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Jarvis

[DeltaDawn]

I think that the first Robert Windrem is Jon's father, the second Robert Windrem is Susan and Jon's son who they named after John's father.

[dee10134]

They found crack pipes in the room so it is likely he was also smoking crack. (Unless they were crank pipes???)

Hey, I didn't see a VCR listed on the search warrant but he had video tapes in the room. Kinda scary. Gives me the idea that the labels on the tapes were not really what was on the tapes. He kept those tapes in his possession while he was on the run even though he had a storage locker and no VCR to watch them on. Probably wanted to make sure those didn't end up on the news. too.

Maybe there was a VCR in the room he rented? If not, if the video camera in his possession recorded on standard VHS tapes, he could always connect it to the TV to play the movies...

[dee10134]

I think that the first Robert Windrem is Jon's father, the second Robert Windrem is Susan and Jon's son who they named after John's father.

Why would he list "II" as if he is a junior on his marriage license then if his father wasn't Robert?

But everything else pretty much makes sense...

[DeltaDawn]

Because he would be the II, not a junior, junior is reserved for the father /son same name, when you skip a generation the II can be used, but junior cannot.

[dee10134]

My father was a Jr., but he also went by "II." I don't think I've ever encountered someone that went by "II" that wasn't a junior, but I'm sure it happens.

[MrsBuckWeaver]

I think that the first Robert Windrem is Jon's father, the second Robert Windrem is Susan and Jon's son who they named after John's father.
_____

I think you're right.

[Tom'sGirl]

So now we have another name associated with CAS!

Police Search For Man Who Registered Rooms For Stiles
POSTED: 6:49 pm PDT November 3, 2007
UPDATED: 6:11 pm PDT November 3, 2007

LAS VEGAS -- More information is coming forward in the Chester Stiles investigation. Metro officers said investigators found a video camera and a quarter of a pound of cocaine in a short-stay apartment where Stiles stayed while on the run.

According to a search warrant and documents from Metro, officers also want to talk to a man named Bill Richardson, who showed a West Virginia driver's license when registering the rooms for Stiles.

Richardson's not sought on criminal charges, police said. They just want to find out how he came across Stiles.

http://tinyurl.com/2xkqfa

[SeriouslySearching]

Strange as I recall the police said it was only an alias he used. Guess there really is a man with that name.

[Tom'sGirl]

Strange as I recall the police said it was only an alias he used. Guess there really is a man with that name.

Now I'm wondering if this person had a fake ID showing Bill Richardson like the fake CA license Stiles presented to the LE when he was stopped?

[SeriouslySearching]

Crickey!! It didn't ring a bell until I started trying to pull up Bill Richardson!! He is going to be more difficult to locate with his name being also the name of the Gov. of NM. Sheesh!

[Tom'sGirl]

A very old case found at:
http://courtgate.coca.co.clark.nv.us:8490/
mentions the names of:

Robert W. Windrem II
Jon M. Windrem
Susan M. Windrem

There is also a minor listed, or she was minor at that time in 1990. She has a different last name, and another person, a male, is mentioned with the same last name. These may be Susan's children???

[SeriouslySearching]

Hmmmm...interesting.

[itsreenw]

I found several Bill/Billy Richardsons in WV but since we don't know which one it is I cant post the info here. I found a William Richardson in OR on the Megan's Law website that could pass for Stiles brother.

[Tom'sGirl]

I found several Bill/Billy Richardsons in WV but since we don't know which one it is I cant post the info here. I found a William Richardson in OR on the Megan's Law website that could pass for Stiles brother.

With the way the spelling of names has been reported in the media, we know not all spelling is correct.........what was reported as Darren is now Darrin.

Susan's last name was spelled Wyndrum in the report, now we find that was also a misspelling. Most records spell it Windrem, and in one place I found it spelled Windreman :doh:

Could Bill/Billy Richardson's last name be spelled Richardsen??

[DeltaDawn]

The Bill Richardson I found in San Diego had two aliases under his name.. I am thinking they are the real name of this indidvidual and they just keep coming up with fake ID under that pseudo name...could be wrong though..that's happened lots of times.

[DeltaDawn]

TG,
When I look at the old case from 1990, it appears their is a minor child and her father who are the plaintives against, Susan, her husband, son and another man. But it looks like that case was dismissed in 1992. Is this the same case yuo are referring to? If so, why would 3 adults, 2 men and a woman be charged in a case against a minor ? Even though it was dismissed it still makes me go hmm..in relation to what Susan really was into with her then husband and now CAS.

[Tom'sGirl]

There are also addresses listed for her in Las Vegas and Mount Pleasant, Arizonia.

Looks like she has two children, possibly a son and daughter-in-law, or they are neice and nephew, that would be about CAS age...maybe that is how she met him... and they decided to do a little business together. How else would a man on the run come up with 1/2 pound of coke? Or maybe she is a past associate of his parents, she'd be the right age for that. Either way I don't think she is squeeky clean.

The son and daughter or daughter-in-law, or neice and nephew haven't figured which yet, have addresses in Vegas and Arizonia, too. Robert Windrem and Claire Windrem. A Jon Windrem is also listed as a relative age 59. Could this be a husband or ex husband or brother? He also has addresses in Vegas and Mount Pleasant AR., but not San Diego.


I also found an address is Batesville, AZ for Susan with address, and the address of a place in LV.

The names associated with her are: Claire Rachel Windrem 33 and Robt. Wallace Windrem 36. Wallace does reflect a Scots name if that means anything????

[Tom'sGirl]

TG,
When I look at the old case from 1990, it appears their is a minor child and her father who are the plaintives against, Susan, her husband, son and another man. But it looks like that case was dismissed in 1992. Is this the same case yuo are referring to? If so, why would 3 adults, 2 men and a woman be charged in a case against a minor ? Even though it was dismissed it still makes me go hmm..in relation to what Susan really was into with her then husband and now CAS.

Yep, that's the case, strange isn't it?

[DawnTCB]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but did you guys notice the "F'ed-up Family" myspace has been replaced?

[DeltaDawn]

Check out Filly's post 154 over on the general discussion thread. That is a very interesting post about meth users being registered in some states and also another Billy Richardson.

[Filly]

Check out Filly's post 154 over on the general discussion thread. That is a very interesting post about meth users being registered in some states and also another Billy Richardson.

Don't know if that will be much help Delta, but statistics show that crystal meth and sexual abuse go hand in hand. There's so many little kids being harmed because of that drug in so many ways it makes a person sick. I was kind of shocked to find they already were registering people arrested on crystal charges. It makes sense though cause that's one drug just don't go away. Actually, people now make it in their cars. Rolling meth labs so them lousy creeps could be making it in their cars. Supposedly it smells though so I doubt that freak was cooking it in that weekly rental.

[dee10134]

There is an empty myspace page for Bill Richardson, age 28, in Las Vegas. He's listed there as an Aries.

[Tom'sGirl]

IF RWWindrem is Susan's son, I read in Public Property Records that he and his wife Claire have a home in LV recorded in their name since 2000.

[DeltaDawn]

So in trying to connect the dots between CAS, Tuck, Billy Richardson and Susan...my bet is placed on it being the drugs and possibly the burglary ring. So if there is a Billy Richardson in Pahrump , Henderson or Vegas that is around 28..that is also in Tucks age range for friends..the thing is with meth addicts, whoever has the meth or a means to get it is their friend..so he could be any age really and still know Tuck and CAS. But after everything on the news about CAS I don't think whoever rented the room for him is really named Billy Richardson. That would just be plain stupid, because the police could track him down in no time. So I am thinking Billy Richardson is an alias that someone is using, but that most people who know him, know him by another name.

[Tom'sGirl]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but did you guys notice the "F'ed-up Family" myspace has been replaced?

Yes, but still the same account who belongs to JL who lives in Henderson with her husband and two kids.

With all the case investigation and with everyone's names out there I was surprised she hadn't changed it before this.

[Tom'sGirl]

So in trying to connect the dots between CAS, Tuck, Billy Richardson and Susan...my bet is placed on it being the drugs and possibly the burglary ring. So if there is a Billy Richardson in Pahrump , Henderson or Vegas that is around 28..that is also in Tucks age range for friends..the thing is with meth addicts, whoever has the meth or a means to get it is their friend..so he could be any age really and still know Tuck and CAS. But after everything on the news about CAS I don't think whoever rented the room for him is really named Billy Richardson. That would just be plain stupid, because the police could track him down in no time. So I am thinking Billy Richardson is an alias that someone is using, but that most people who know him, know him by another name.

I agree, but find it interesting that the ID indicated another State.

[DeltaDawn]

Do you think they had that ID made up by forgers? And maybe purposely had listed another state like WVA because they thought that locally in Vegas and the western states people and LE would not be as likely to know exactly what that ID would like? Maybe easier to get away with a hologram image or whatever that state uses. And interestingly I found some people that over the summer were arrested in Pahrump for forgery and having forgery equpt.

[itsreenw]

NV LE can contact the WV agency that licenses drivers and find out if that was an actual license. If so, they could show the photo on the news to see if anyone can ID him.

They may already have that info and are just not going to be as public with it as they were with CAS so he doesn't go into hiding.

[DeltaDawn]

NV LE can contact the WV agency that licenses drivers and find out if that was an actual license. If so, they could show the photo on the news to see if anyone can ID him.

They may already have that info and are just not going to be as public with it as they were with CAS so he doesn't go into hiding.


I agree with that...they are going to keep a low profile now in order to catch the other players in this case. I think the WVA is a fake.. like everything else in this case...fake people airing their feelings on TV so no one will suspect them ..while that just made us dig for who they really were. Most so caught up in their own selves and the drugs..yes I am talking Tina and family, that he could provide, as well as his income from drug dealing. These were people he used as a family..now I want to see his business assoc in child porn, they all know each other in a given area because they trade tapes, his associates in the drug business, can't sell drugs without buyers, and his suppliers, can't get that quantity of drugs without someone selling them to you in the first place.

[Tom'sGirl]

NV LE can contact the WV agency that licenses drivers and find out if that was an actual license. If so, they could show the photo on the news to see if anyone can ID him.

They may already have that info and are just not going to be as public with it as they were with CAS so he doesn't go into hiding.

I think they, the LE has also checked out the CA ID License # Stiles had to learn who it originally belonged to.

[itsreenw]

It looks like the minor (Katzgen) and her parent(s) are suing the Windrems. I noticed there was a Dr subpoenaed so maybe it was a car accident in which the Windrem's son was driving and the other minor got injured. Charles Farr is listed as a plaintiff and defendant. It's possible that he was the registered owner of the vehicle that was involved in the accident so the Plaintiffs are suing him making him a defendant, and he joined the suit as a plaintiff against the Windrems for their son wrecking his car.

I noticed that in San Diego County there is a wrongful death suit (auto) on behalf of the Windrems. There is also a suit against a hospital. I think it is something to do with the death of the father.

Not sure if any of that is relevant to CAS.

[DeltaDawn]

So Susan seems to be the low profile person in the bunch of friends and girlfriends CAS had. By now I am sure different TV networks have contacted her to do interviews and she has not done a single one. She also has not even done a local news or TV interview. She must be very different then the other players in this case.

[dee10134]

Maybe she's so low key because she's involved in some way?

[Tom'sGirl]

Maybe she's so low key because she's involved in some way?

That would be a fair assumption. She seems to be the one he's kept in touch with the most and he was driving a car registered to her along with her mother's Pressure Cooker pot :crazy:

[itsreenw]

I have a feeling they are going to connect her to being in that room with him. Harboring a fugitive. She probably knows she's looking at some kind of charges. She didn't live in LV but she was out there, probably staying with him.

[Tom'sGirl]

I have a feeling they are going to connect her to being in that room with him. Harboring a fugitive. She probably knows she's looking at some kind of charges. She didn't live in LV but she was out there, probably staying with him.

Lets not forget she has family in LV who own a home, and she was readily available to take possession of the Buick.

[Filly]

Lets not forget she has family in LV who own a home, and she was readily available to take possession of the Buick.

And the pressure cooker pot. Remember I was saying they have rolling meth labs now in cars? Do you use a pressure cooker in that process I wonder?Maybe I'm thinking of a crock pot. Maybe someone went to a big party and brought food? Got me wondering.

[DeltaDawn]

Something that I have been wondering about for a while now, but I haven't seen any further reference to on this site is a comment by Elaine on Jaded site after the arrest of CAS. She said that the whole video clip with Stephanie at the door to her house with the reporter showing her the still photos of CAS and little M was staged. That Stephani, and everyone else involved already knew about this..but according to the reporter that was filmed either right before or right after LE announcing CAS was the person on the tape. So my question is, how did these people (Steph, Tina, etc) know that if they weren't watching TV? Or had they been aware all along and just did not come forward with CAS name and little M's name?

[philamena]

DD,
Some of the interviews may have been staged, but imo, the look of surprise on Stephanie's face meant she had no idea that CS had brutally raped a toddler that she knew.
Now Tina---she may be another story entirely.

[Tom'sGirl]

DD,
Some of the interviews may have been staged, but imo, the look of surprise on Stephanie's face meant she had no idea that CS had brutally raped a toddler that she knew.
Now Tina---she may be another story entirely.

I disagree, I think it was a drama play while standing there at the door. The entire time she kept looking down at her cell phone. She knew her name came up at the Presser in Pahrump, she didn't fool me for a minute.

[DeltaDawn]

So if we think this was staged..then did they possibly know this was CAS prior to the presser in Pahrump?

Had they actually been seeing this on the news and just not responding to what they were seeing?

I am asking all these questions because personally I don't believe that CAS will go down alone. I think he knew other pedos. I think he knew other druggies and drug dealers. I think somewhere in this maze of people is someone who is a connection between CAS and the tape showing up in Tuck's possession in Pahrump.

Opinions anyone?

[Tom'sGirl]

So if we think this was staged..then did they possibly know this was CAS prior to the presser in Pahrump?

Had they actually been seeing this on the news and just not responding to what they were seeing?

I am asking all these questions because personally I don't believe that CAS will go down alone. I think he knew other pedos. I think he knew other druggies and drug dealers. I think somewhere in this maze of people is someone who is a connection between CAS and the tape showing up in Tuck's possession in Pahrump.

Opinions anyone?

I agree with you Delta, CAS will not go down alone in this. If Tina called Elaine after she saw on T.V. the photo of little 'M' then Stephanie had also seen it.

[Filly]

I agree with you Delta, CAS will not go down alone in this. If Tina called Elaine after she saw on T.V. the photo of little 'M' then Stephanie had also seen it.

That's one tangled weave they spun. It's going to come back and bite them.

[DeltaDawn]

I hope that everyone involved in this crime and the cover up of this crime is prosecuted. No child deserves what happened to little M and no adult who even had an inkling of this should be left without some prosecution. We need for people to start to realize that even if you didn't actually participate in the crime, but particiated in the cover up of a crime or not bringing the individuals to justice, when you know who they are ..that is unacceptable. If people got this message they would stop covering for these SOB 's and start talking to LE. No wonder we have such a crime problem, if family and friends take a whatever type of view to an individuals criminal behavior as I beieve both Tina and her kids, and Elaine did with Chester. Todd wrote in his journal about the 6 year old and said he would hurt him bad next time he saw Chester...I would like to ask Todd..what happened to those feelings..did you just get over it and forgive and forget..or was it too much trouble to turn the SOB in? Now Todd's all over the news saying how he never liked him, etc. So why didn't you take some action before this,Todd, if that's the way you felt?
They do themselves and society a disservice by turning a blind eye to his illegal ventures and pedo behavior.

[Tom'sGirl]

[quote]We need for people to start to realize that even if you didn't actually participate in the crime, but particiated in the cover up of a crime or not bringing the individuals to justice, when you know who they are ..that is unacceptable.

Absolutely right Delta!