General case discussion

[DeltaDawn]

I thought we could continue here since the other thread was locked.

[DeltaDawn]

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Stiles stood wearing blue jail scrubs, his eyes downcast and with unkempt hair over his forehead. His fists shackled at his side to a chain belt, Stiles said "No ma'am," when asked if he could pay for a lawyer. Deputy Public Defender Jeff Banks was appointed to represent Stiles

Outside court, Banks characterized Stiles as "down in the mouth" but said he expected he would fight the charges at future hearings. "Of course he's going to plead not guilty," Banks told reporters.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,303181,00.html

Looks like Stiles has been given the public defender who was in court with him yesterday as his attorney in this case.

No matter how he pleads he is going to prison for life due to the video evidence..in my opinion anyway.

[Jaded]

That's the guy that FOX News reported he would argue the authenticity of the tape. How the heck does he think that's going to fly? His face is in it.

[DeltaDawn]

I don't think it will fly, bu the has to come up with a defense of some sort. I think he is probably going to go the route of letting Stiles talk to LE and spilling everything he has.
Because LE really wants to know about tuck and any other porn industry info in Vegas
that Stiles can give. They also know that he hs lots of other info they could use against various people.
Then he'll go for the horrible childhood routine he had, etc
Then he'll be happy with his client getting life, segragated from the gp.

[cheko1]

I don't think it will fly, bu the has to come up with a defense of some sort. I think he is probably going to go the route of letting Stiles talk to LE and spilling everything he has.
Because LE really wants to know about tuck and any other porn industry info in Vegas
that Stiles can give. They also know that he hs lots of other info they could use against various people.
Then he'll go for the horrible childhood routine he had, etc
Then he'll be happy with his client getting life, segragated from the gp.

Jeffrey Dahmer was also supposed to be isolated from GP. They still got him......couldn't of happened to a nicer fella! JMO

[laura2007]

THE THING THAT BOTHERED ME THE MOST ABOUT THAT INTERVIEW WAS THE SHE SAYS " I HAVE SMALL CHILDREN THAT I NEED TO TAKE CARE OF...
So Todd, Stephani, and friends think Tina knew was Stiles was and was possibly in contact with him this whole time....meanwhile she is still watching the kids????? All these people need a reality checkI agree, the idea of her still watching kids is disturbing. If it's true. It sounded like she threw that out there to show how trustworthy she is. She doesn't seem to understand that nobody is buying her act.

[DeltaDawn]

I think LE is waiting for Stiles to start naming names with appropriate info on that person before they start picking these people up. I think they will try to do it in one operation. On LKL last night Nye Co Sherriff is hoping that Stiles can lead them to more info and people involved in Vegas porn rings. They say they know he has connections to the dark side of porn, the underbelly of Vegas porn. So I think they will play this close to their chest and not pick anyone up until they have all the info they think they can get. Otherwise that would tip off other assoc of his and they would vanish...as Stiles and Tina were both known to do before.

[greeneyz]

I seriously think that Tina herself is a pedofile. And she is soooo "in love" still with CS it's sickening...I mean she is more upset that he has been caught then the fact he was molesting M in that video?!?!?! Give me a break Tina!!! I have a three year old grand daughter and the whole thought of what your lover boy has done makes me SICK! M's mother is the ONLY one thus far that I have seen reacting in an appropriate manner to any of this!!!!

[justche]

I think LE is waiting for Stiles to start naming names with appropriate info on that person before they start picking these people up. I think they will try to do it in one operation. On LKL last night Nye Co Sherriff is hoping that Stiles can lead them to more info and people involved in Vegas porn rings. They say they know he has connections to the dark side of porn, the underbelly of Vegas porn. So I think they will play this close to their chest and not pick anyone up until they have all the info they think they can get. Otherwise that would tip off other assoc of his and they would vanish...as Stiles and Tina were both known to do before.

I still think that "dark underbelly" is why the police weren't more active in locating him. It was totally accidental - but it should have been a slam dunk - he's too dependent on manipulating others to assist him.

I think there are powers that be that will insure the whole story doesn't get out - maybe the dingleberries involved like Tina, but not the real who's who of that world.

[DeltaDawn]

I think that the Nye Co Sherriff, detective and the DA really are not afraid to tread on toes here to get the info they need to connect Tuck and put him away, and anybody else that happens to come to light. Also from the Vegas presser I got the feeling that the man in charge there, i forget his name, was probably not the type to back off a case because of a little pressure. We' ll have to wait and see I would guess.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think that the Nye Co Sherriff, detective and the DA really are not afraid to tread on toes here to get the info they need to connect Tuck and put him away, and anybody else that happens to come to light. Also from the Vegas presser I got the feeling that the man in charge there, i forget his name, was probably not the type to back off a case because of a little pressure. We' ll have to wait and see I would guess.

Capt. Vincent Cannito?

[DeltaDawn]

Yes, thank you Tom's Girl.

[Buzzm1]

That's the guy that FOX News reported he would argue the authenticity of the tape. How the heck does he think that's going to fly? His face is in it.That public defender is just trying to capitalize on his 15 minutes of fame. How often has he had reporters clamoring around him before, and when will he ever have this opportunity again.

CAS is dead meat; he's guaranteed a life sentence. Be good if he just pled guilty and saved the public the cost of a trial; but then again how would all those attornies, and officials, ever get their pictures on TV, and in the paper, and gain fame, and notoriety?? Lots of wasted space in the newspapers, and on the internet.

[alpharee]

That public defender is just trying to capitalize on his 15 minutes of fame. How often has he had reporters clamoring around him before, and when will he ever have this opportunity again.

CAS is dead meat; he's guaranteed a life sentence. Be good if he just pled guilty and saved the public the cost of a trial; but then again how would all those attornies, and officials, ever get their pictures on TV, and in the paper, and gain fame, and notoriety?? Lots of wasted space in the newspapers, and on the internet.

I highly doubt that, he isn't a volunteer. He was appointed by the Judge. Attorneys speak to the media, always have, always will.

[Tom'sGirl]

I highly doubt that, he isn't a volunteer. He was appointed by the Judge. Attorneys speak to the media, always have, always will.

You're rigght alpha, Stiles waived a reading of the charges and said he could not afford an attorney.

Judge Deborah Lippis appointed Public Defender Jeff Banks to the case.

[DeltaDawn]

http://www.lvrj.com/news/10597137.html

Police said the Buick belonged to an acquaintance of Stiles. The original owner had given Stiles the Buick and was "unaware of Stiles' activities," Las Vegas police Capt. Vincent Cannito said.

Allen said the original owner of the car was a friend of hers from Massachusetts who had given the car to Stiles long before he went on the lam.

http://www.sarcasticcrime.com/

Elaine says:
The last time I saw him was 13th or 14th of September. He called and said he had an accident with the truck, wants to sell it, but needed a place to store it.
Susan picked him up, and then he came back driving the Century that he had gotten from a friend of his, that Susan bought him and said he’d be back in a week or so to pick it up.

This case is so hard to keep track of because everything I read ties into each other but eveybody seems to have a little bit different story about it..like the Buick Century Stiles was driving.

Did Tina's friend in Mass give it to Stiles or did Susan buy it for Stiles from a friend of his?

The Captain,s statement seems to be a mix of the two statements....but none of them is exactly the same.

[DeltaDawn]

[quote=Buzzm1;1746332]That public defender is just trying to capitalize on his 15 minutes of fame. How often has he had reporters clamoring around him before, and when will he ever have this opportunity again.

The attorney who was assigned to Stiles probably is enjoying this alot less then you might think....he is surrounded by police as bodyguards whenever he is going into court or to see Stiles because of the death threats made against Stiles and his attorney.

[CarpeDiem]

[quote=DeltaDawn;1746332]

The attorney who was assigned to Stiles probably is enjoying this alot less then you might think....he is surrounded by police as bodyguards whenever he is going into court or to see Stiles because of the death threats made against Stiles and his attorney.

True. And sometimes we forget that if Stiles didn't have effective counsel, he would get off. This IS America. The attorney's family doesn't deserve people going wacky on him/them either. I'm going to give him a chance, see what happens. Even Michael Devlin's attorney's ended up doing the right thing, and a darn good job for their client.

[dee10134]

[quote=DeltaDawn;1746844]

True. And sometimes we forget that if Stiles didn't have effective counsel, he would get off. This IS America. The attorney's family doesn't deserve people going wacky on him/them either. I'm going to give him a chance, see what happens. Even Michael Devlin's attorney's ended up doing the right thing, and a darn good job for their client.

As they say, "innocent until proven guilty." The attorney should NOT be treated as if HE is the criminal. It is his JOB to defend POS' like CAS!

We all know that CAS is GUILTY AS SIN and I hope he fesses up and just pleads GUILTY to the crimes he committed against Patience. That way he'd spare the taxpayer's money and the poor public defender that was assigned to his case.

[DeltaDawn]

Nice to see you back Dee.

[dee10134]

Nice to see you back Dee.

I've been around! LOL Busier than heck at work though!

[DeltaDawn]

This is such a horrible thing to say, and if I get flamed I understand, but this thought has been at the back of my mind for so long I have to get it out here. Okay here goes: Do you think it is at all possible that Tina, Elaine and other women that CAS dated did not find it offensive for him to introduce a very young child to sex? Meaning he was introduced to sex at a young age, maybe they were too. OR here is what I really think..that Tina, Elaine, and his other women were introduced to sex at a young age, but they didn't like it due to what they now feel was their partners clumsiness, harshness or lack of finese, lets say. So since they all feel CAS is such a great lover, that they felt His introducing young girls to sex was an advantage to that girl, since he was such a great lover..and they knew and enjoyed this. I know this is a horrible thought, but because Elaine and Tina keep referring to him as this great lover boy, over and over, that they really would think something like this? Sick as it sounds..I can just about hear those words being the next words out of Tina's mouth?

[Tom'sGirl]

THE RANT: Stiles Reward
POSTED: 5:50 pm PDT October 19, 2007
UPDATED: 6:03 pm PDT October 19, 2007


RANT: In regards to your online poll about the reward, (http://www.fox5vegas.com/news/14381899/detail.html?rss=vegas&psp=news#) I think it is a disgrace if the policemen get this money. They were simply doing their job! It is their job to look for these kind of people and stop cars without license plates and protect the citizens. This is outrageous. I believe the money should be donated to a fund for abused children.

I VOTED AND IN THE MAJORITY OF OTHERS

[DeltaDawn]

I went there after you gave us the link, thank you Tom's Girl.

I voted too, turns out it was with the majority. And can I say that the police arrested him..but admitted they didn't know who he was until he told them. This money should go to M..not her mom, but in an account for her education or whatever she needs down the road.

[Tom'sGirl]

I copied one of Todd's post a few weeks ago, and this part stuck out at me...............

July 14, 2006 - Friday
http://x.myspace.com/images/spacer.gif7:39 PM (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4268050&blogID=144646743&Mytoken=952D47AB-C822-4A15-AE735CD40F0CD00B97365882) - Peace Out
Current mood: http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/iBrads/pissed.gif pissed off
This goes out to all those i used to kick it with on Friday and Saturday nights, I have been banned from dxxxxx, and it was done on a night it wasnt even open... Get that sxxx. Cxxxxxx has decided she runs Dxxxxx, and she controls our lives, no matter how much we have done for her. She has gone to far this time. Over the years, i have bent over backwards for her, as most of you know, all she would have to do is ask and i would do anything for her and Mxxxxxx

[philamena]

Tom'sGirl,
Is Todd talking about Tina controlling his life? Or is he referring to M's mom?

[DeltaDawn]

In that post he was referring to M's Mom.

[philamena]

Thanks!

[Busylady]

Well I may be getting in trouble for this, but in all honestly from what i hae read and seen, the adults party life, sex adventurs etc were more important than taking care of their children. I am not saying being a dom makes you a bad person, but is it the right environment for chldren to be around. C worked two jobs to support her family but yet time to party etc, Stephani had small children, and found time to party alot. Todd talks about drinking alot, sleeping with various girls, being a dom and gaining spiritual power of necoramces froma grave yard. Lots of young kids having babies not married and hooking up with other men later. The pot growing I will never believe it was just CAS involved i think the others enjoyed the benefits of all that. Yes CAS was a munipilator but when children areinvolved especially you have tomake the right decisions and have a health environment -In 2001 Tinas father called the police for a sexual assault charge on a minor, then in 2004 the other sexual assault. I could by the possiblity of one charge not being believed but two charges and you still ignored it and didnt turn him in? Stephani had to know about those charges and she didnt stop her friend from being around CHester? I am ranting I know but I am so angry because I cant help but wonder what is going on in these peoples heads. I understand being a single mom is hard but you do not put your kids in danger because its the easiest alternative. I will probably be smacked up side the head for this but I don't feel Tina, Todd, Stephani, or M's mom is a victim i all this, only victim is littel M. Hope this makes sense.

[Busylady]

Apologize for typos took a fall down flight of stairs and taken muscle relaxers so bear with me please.

[SuziQ]

Apologize for typos took a fall down flight of stairs and taken muscle relaxers so bear with me please.

I hope you are ok! Too many of you here have been hurting themselves lately. You all be careful.

Busylady and DeltaDawn, I think you both bring up points that initially would have seemed inflamatory. However, as time goes on and more insight into these people lives are becoming apparent, you have to wonder. And I always keep thinking that people tend to hang out with the same type of people. For instance, if you don't drink, it's hard to hang out with people who do. If you are conservative sexually, it would be hard to stomach the lifestyle of someone who is isn't. Alot of players in this case have a very different thought process and I don't think they have the boundaries that most of us have.

[DeltaDawn]

I still get the impression that these people would not feel this was such a big deal if it hadn't gone public. And once it did they hopped right on the media train...they haven't given much insight into anyone but themselves and no one seems to be able to tell the whole truth..they each have a different story that weaves in and out of the other story.
And Busy, I too do not think of C as a victim anylonger due to her reaction and her lying..she says she didn't know CAS yet he was at her house 1 week before this story broke. And then to say he was not part of her circle of friends..I am sure she saw him frequently if she was Stephani's best friend.
These people seem to feel no accountability connected to their children.
They knew about the other incident with the 6 year old and still did not really question letting Tina babysit, knowing that CAS would probably also be there at some point.

[alpharee]

Who told of him receiving a dog from her?

I have a best friend and I have no idea who her Mom dates

[Busylady]

Well in 2001, Tina's father called the police in regards to CAS molesting a little girl, yet Tina continued to see him in then in 2004 there was the other charge and Tina ignored that also. So it tells me Tina knew he had problems with little children clear back in 2001 and yet she still allowed him around her grand children and other children that in itself speaks volumes to me.

[Busylady]

Alpharee I will try to find the interview that speaks of him buying the dog for M's mother.

[Busylady]

Nye County authorities asked for help identifying the little girl on the tape September 19th. In Stiles arrest warrant, the mother of the 3-year-old victim says Tina and Stiles came to her house together just last month to pick up a dog.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21352683/

[Busylady]

You have to remember M and M's mom lived with Stephani and Todd, and Tina would bring CAS over there, so they all knew who she was dating.

Who told of him receiving a dog from her?

I have a best friend and I have no idea who her Mom dates

[DeltaDawn]

Even though C keeps saying she doesn't know him, we know she does. He adopted the pregnant dog from her, he was living with Tina off and on while C was living with Todd and Stephani and Tina and CAS would come over. So how she says he's a friend of a friend several times removed I don't understand...other then she does not want to admit she knows him.

[alpharee]

I believe her when she says she didn't know him. I believe she knew he was Tina's BF and his name was Chester but I don't think she "knew" him. I don't think she had anything to do with him. I don't think she associated with him, etc. She knew of him but didn't "know" him.

[alpharee]

thanks busy for the link

[KOOL LOOK]

I believe her when she says she didn't know him. I believe she knew he was Tina's BF and his name was Chester but I don't think she "knew" him. I don't think she had anything to do with him. I don't think she associated with him, etc. She knew of him but didn't "know" him.


She knew he participated in baby sitting her child? No? How and why not?

[angarella]

I copied one of Todd's post a few weeks ago, and this part stuck out at me...............

July 14, 2006 - Friday
http://x.myspace.com/images/spacer.gif7:39 PM (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4268050&blogID=144646743&Mytoken=952D47AB-C822-4A15-AE735CD40F0CD00B97365882) - Peace Out
Current mood: http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/iBrads/pissed.gif pissed off
This goes out to all those i used to kick it with on Friday and Saturday nights, I have been banned from dxxxxx, and it was done on a night it wasnt even open... Get that sxxx. Cxxxxxx has decided she runs Dxxxxx, and she controls our lives, no matter how much we have done for her. She has gone to far this time. Over the years, i have bent over backwards for her, as most of you know, all she would have to do is ask and i would do anything for her and Mxxxxxx

That is very interesting to say the least.

[KOOL LOOK]

I copied one of Todd's post a few weeks ago, and this part stuck out at me...............

July 14, 2006 - Friday
http://x.myspace.com/images/spacer.gif7:39 PM (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=4268050&blogID=144646743&Mytoken=952D47AB-C822-4A15-AE735CD40F0CD00B97365882) - Peace Out
Current mood: http://x.myspace.com/images/blog/moods/iBrads/pissed.gif pissed off
This goes out to all those i used to kick it with on Friday and Saturday nights, I have been banned from dxxxxx, and it was done on a night it wasnt even open... Get that sxxx. Cxxxxxx has decided she runs Dxxxxx, and she controls our lives, no matter how much we have done for her. She has gone to far this time. Over the years, i have bent over backwards for her, as most of you know, all she would have to do is ask and i would do anything for her and Mxxxxxx


I feel this needs to be turned over to law enforcement, possibly department of social services, and let them decide if there's any merit or further investigation that may need to proceed. This is no environment or lifestyle a child should be subjected to. I don't want to hear, M isn't exposed, blah blah, thekids are no where around, blah blah, we already know what happens to kids in their care, three of them for sure with facts to base this on.

Great great find Tom'sgirl, and kudos to you for the vote, I will go myself and vote the same, I agree, the money needs to be spent on other children, if not a fund for M for she be in need of a good home before this is all over with.

If i was an authority dealing with this case, M would already be placed in a safe home until this investigation was complete, for I would have enough evidence and negligence at this point to make that decision to move the courts on behalf of the minor child.

I just wanted to add, Tom'sgirl, delatadawn, Angarella, Busylady, Interestedwoman, Philimmena, SuzieQ, you have this forum up to date and interesting. Keep finding this evidence, it's not gossip or irrelevant, I feel the info you gals are locating are pivotal to acquiring an understanding of the dynamics that was and is still going on here in order to get to the root of the problem and how all this happened to begin with. Dig deeper, we're hitting pay dirt.

[cheko1]

I still get the impression that these people would not feel this was such a big deal if it hadn't gone public. And once it did they hopped right on the media train...they haven't given much insight into anyone but themselves and no one seems to be able to tell the whole truth..they each have a different story that weaves in and out of the other story.
And Busy, I too do not think of C as a victim anylonger due to her reaction and her lying..she says she didn't know CAS yet he was at her house 1 week before this story broke. And then to say he was not part of her circle of friends..I am sure she saw him frequently if she was Stephani's best friend.
These people seem to feel no accountability connected to their children.
They knew about the other incident with the 6 year old and still did not really question letting Tina babysit, knowing that CAS would probably also be there at some point.

DD, I also feel none of the players in this would think twice had this not went National news.

To me none of the players seem overly concerned about Patience. The comments they've all made make me cringe! She is doing well! I've seen her & she is a very happy little girl...........She has no problems / She has no memories of it. blah .........blah ............blah!!!

CAS was well known to P Mom! She knew him thru Stephani / Stephani's Mom babysat for P.P had to either be taken to Tina or Tina had to go to there house & I can't imagine Tina not dragging CAS with her whenever she had the chance..... We know Tina left P with CAS or she was openly involved, someone left that precious little girl with him. I agree with LE I highly doubt it was the first time or P would of been crying.

If Todd & Stephani knew about the other little 6 yr old & the accusations whay did they feel it was ok for CAS to be around the little kids? Why would they trust Tina & CAS that it was a lie? It makes me irate & mad at all of them.

I also was a single Mom & I would never leave my kids with just anyone because it was cheap & yes I worked 2 jobs.

[teedie2]

Interesting message left on MMom's boyfriend's myspace. What in the world is going on with those people? Looks like someone might be trying to cause problems.

[Tom'sGirl]

Interesting message left on MMom's boyfriend's myspace. What in the world is going on with those people? Looks like someone might be trying to cause problems.

You mean the post by Danyell on 10/19/2007?

[greeneyz]

What a lifestyle they ALL seem to lead...somebody dosen't seem to happy in that comment and are definately looking to settle a score of some type...what's that saying "HELL HATH NO FURY LIKE A WOMAN'S SCORN"???

[Jaded]

That is very interesting to say the least.

Where was that posted at? Is D's the bar they hang out at?

[Dryad]

I think that entry was from Todd's MySpace blog that was set to private. It seems that M's mom works at D****'s, the group all hangs out there frequently and parties there. That's how I figured it was so convenient for CAS to do this. She's at work all hours of the night (probably until 2 or 3 a.m.), Stephani and the rest of the group parties there all night so they're not around either and guaranteed to be gone for many hours. So it's just Tina and CAS all night with the kids. They were probably babysitting Stephani's boys (or probably just one boy in 2003) also. She probably worked long, late, night shifts.

[teedie2]

You mean the post by Danyell on 10/19/2007?

Yes. Very disturbing, and depressing. True? Or just someone mad and hateful?

Poor M does not have one single role model at this point in her life. Maybe later. Maybe too late? That's the part that is depressing.

If MMom lives with the Tina-crew, where does the bf/babydaddy live? I can think of a lot more questions than that, but am afraid to post them.

M was exposed to CAS because of the cheesy lifestyle of her adults. IMO

I am tired. And Pixxed.

Excuse me for not giving more info as to what I was referring to. If it weren't the newest post, I would have. Should I have copied Danyell's message to here?

[itsreenw]

From Elaine Thomas's interview on http://sarcasticcrime.com/ :
Regarding the 2003 case:
The story was that he and Tina Allen were staying at the little girl’s parents house for the weekend because the parents were having issues and he and Tina were there to take care of the kids. He said that the closest they were to being alone was that he was in the bedroom with them watching TV and Tina was in and out of the room periodically. Apparently, from what he said, the little girl’s mother mother had an issue with him, and he and Tina left.

This is the story that CAS told her about the 6 yr old and I dont believe it happened as he said, but once again, it places Tina babysitting a friend's child with CAS tagging along.

Why did she need him always tagging along on her babysitting jobs and why would he want to go?? I still have issues with how comfortable CAS felt making that video in the middle of the day in M's mom's bedroom. And who bougnt that dress???

M's mom didnt recognize M in the vid. If she didnt recognize her own daughter's face, that dress is distinct for a child of that age to wear. Seems she would remember the dress moreso than the sheets on the bed. I am curious to know if M's mom ever saw that dress before recently. If it was presented to her as a gift from Tina for M when C came home from work. Does that make sense??

I have often had my niece with me and bought her a gift and sent it home with her. If so, that would let her know Tina was involved for sure.

[KOOL LOOK]

Yes. Very disturbing, and depressing. True? Or just someone mad and hateful?

Poor M does not have one single role model at this point in her life. Maybe later. Maybe too late? That's the part that is depressing.

If MMom lives with the Tina-crew, where does the bf/babydaddy live? I can think of a lot more questions than that, but am afraid to post them.

M was exposed to CAS because of the cheesy lifestyle of her adults. IMO

I am tired. And Pixxed.

Excuse me for not giving more info as to what I was referring to. If it weren't the newest post, I would have. Should I have copied Danyell's message to here?


Yes, bring it over so we can all know, and discuss, thanks honey for the find. This case is starting to have all the low down dirty rotten stinking aspects I assumed from the very beginning of learning about this case and seeing the tape. My worst fears are coming true slowly but surely, one piece at the time as it unfolds into the truth.

[cheko1]

Yes, bring it over so we can all know, and discuss, thanks honey for the find. This case is starting to have all the low down dirty rotten stinking aspects I assumed from the very beginning of learning about this case and seeing the tape. My worst fears are coming true slowly but surely, one piece at the time as it unfolds into the truth.

Here is the post on his myspace page:
Posted by Danyell:


Oct 19 2007 9:14 PM

thanks for tonight it was great feeling you inside me again... how about tomorrow while C*** at work...just hope i dont end up with a mexican jumping bean too because the condom broke...just remeber i love u no matter what happens...

[Indiana at Heart]

OMG Thats sicks! some people just need beat

Here is the post on his myspace page:
Posted by Danyell:


Oct 19 2007 9:14 PM

thanks for tonight it was great feeling you inside me again... how about tomorrow while C*** at work...just hope i dont end up with a mexican jumping bean too because the condom broke...just remeber i love u no matter what happens...

[cheko1]

I hope I don't kicked off WS for posting it.....
Yes it is sick if the mods thinks its inappropriate they can delete it. :slap:

[dee10134]

Here is the post on his myspace page:
Posted by Danyell:


Oct 19 2007 9:14 PM

thanks for tonight it was great feeling you inside me again... how about tomorrow while C*** at work...just hope i dont end up with a mexican jumping bean too because the condom broke...just remeber i love u no matter what happens...

I think someone's just talking crap to stir the pot. If you look at Danyell's headline it says "You Reap what You Sow!!!!" I think C and her boyfriend and Danyell had a falling out of some type and this is Danyell's way at revenge.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think someone's just talking crap to stir the pot. If you look at Danyell's headline it says "You Reap what You Sow!!!!" I think C and her boyfriend and Danyell had a falling out of some type and this is Danyell's way at revenge.

I think so too dee, and it's strange that Z-man became active all of a sudden when he hadn't checked in for awhile.

He could delete her from his friends, or make his page Private.........shish, he is 36, not a kid :crazy:

[teedie2]

I hope I don't kicked off WS for posting it.....
Yes it is sick if the mods thinks its inappropriate they can delete it. :slap:

You are a lot braver than I! Thanks for bringing it over, cheko1. :)

That disgusting message sure got my mind to going about the entire situation surrounding this group of family and friends. There are a ka-zillion questions I would like to ask, but I would probably be chastized by the mods.

:chicken: :chicken: :chicken:

[KOOL LOOK]

We're allowed to discuss, ask questions, bring over posts etc... as long as it's shown where and no mis-understandings so far to my knowledge.


We can't discuss this case and be in fear. Ask away, I'm sure you know how to word your questions appropriately and if any of it is sexually oriented, which is sadly the deal here concerning the case, it's not our fault. This is the crux of the case. Sexual evil deviancy, that's what drove this molester to harm Purity Patience.

I'm starting to feel and believe this whole group of people are "freef or alls," that's the words that come to mind for lack of any better ones. Anything goes, no rules boundaries or limits. Even when it comes to kids. Sick! This case is not going to be for the faint hearted. Some maybe shouldn't stick and stay with this case, it probably wouldn't hurt to have a warning at the top of this particular forum topic to have those warnings we see often where discretion is advised, even for the adults viewing and reading. It's strong sexual content, I don't know, maybe one of the mods will read this and consider the warning on top of this forum.

Unfortunately, I don't see it ending, only piliferating as we learn more and more. That was our members can be prepared to make a decision each time before opening up and going there. This case is horrible. Seems like the adult players are stacking up to be the same too.

[Tom'sGirl]

Preliminary Hearing Set For Nov. 6

POSTED: 11:44 am PDT October 22, 2007
UPDATED: 11:55 am PDT October 22, 2007

PAHRUMP, Nev. -- The man who turned in a videotape featuring the sexual assault of a toddler was in court Monday.

Darrin Tuck pleaded not guilty to a felony possessing child pornography charge.

After debate between prosecution and defense attorneys, Tuck's bail was set at $3,000. The judge said that since Tuck's family is all based in Pahrump and they are a stable support system, he did not think Tuck was a flight risk and there was no need for a higher bail.

ETA: Notes..........Tuck Jr.'s lawyer has been talking to Chester Stiles' public defender, Jeff Banks, about clearing his client's name.

"We're just hoping Stiles comes forward," Rasmussen said. "If he accepts a negotiation and says, 'Yeah, I put the tape there. Yeah, I don't know Mr. Tuck,' the state will hopefully drop the charges against him."

But District Attorney Robert Beckett said Tuck Jr.'s story is inconsistent.

"Bottom line is we want to get at the truth, the whole truth," Beckett said. "If it comes from Tuck -- fine. If it comes from Stiles -- fine. We just want to know what happened."

Although the bail was set at $3,000, Tuck will not get out of jail just yet. He's still in custody for not paying child support, and he will appear in court next Monday on those charges.

The judge set his preliminary hearing in the child pornography case for Nov. 6.

http://tinyurl.com/2boomu

[DeltaDawn]

Geez,
So probably as we speak (write) Tuck is free as a bird again. I think they should of kept him in jail to keep the pressure on him. I don't think he's a flight risk, but I sure hope nothing happens to him before trial...jail might have been much safer for him since the death threats CAS is getting.

[cheko1]

Don't you think Tuck was kept in jail to prove to CAS LE meant business? I heard the talking heads state many times once CAS was captured they'd be singing a different tune & let him post bond.

I also dout he is a flight risk.

[cheko1]

I think so too dee, and it's strange that Z-man became active all of a sudden when he hadn't checked in for awhile.

He could delete her from his friends, or make his page Private.........shish, he is 36, not a kid :crazy:


I agree with you TG........he could even go in & delete that comment. As you say he is 36 & no kid!!!

[Dryad]

M's mom didnt recognize M in the vid. If she didnt recognize her own daughter's face, that dress is distinct for a child of that age to wear. Seems she would remember the dress moreso than the sheets on the bed. I am curious to know if M's mom ever saw that dress before recently. If it was presented to her as a gift from Tina for M when C came home from work. Does that make sense??

I thought I read somewhere that M's mom said that "dress" or nightgown was M's favorite and she recognized it. I don't know where I read that, but I remember it somewhere.

[dee10134]

I don't think it's strange that Z-man is checking his myspace all of the sudden now when he hasn't checked it in a while. It is possible that he has it set up to notify him by email that he received a comment. It's also possible he didn't have time to check his myspace in a long time.

My suspicions on the comment is that someone was being spiteful when they wrote it. Z-man may just want to show C what it says before he deletes it.

[dee10134]

I thought I read somewhere that M's mom said that "dress" or nightgown was M's favorite and she recognized it. I don't know where I read that, but I remember it somewhere.

I remember that too.

[Tom'sGirl]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dryad http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1753554#post1753554)
I thought I read somewhere that M's mom said that "dress" or nightgown was M's favorite and she recognized it. I don't know where I read that, but I remember it somewhere.



I remember that too.

Yes, she said "favorite dress" and at the time I thought it strange for a little girl to think of it as her favorite instead of some little girl type one.

[Tom'sGirl]

I don't think it's strange that Z-man is checking his myspace all of the sudden now when he hasn't checked it in a while. It is possible that he has it set up to notify him by email that he received a comment. It's also possible he didn't have time to check his myspace in a long time.

My suspicions on the comment is that someone was being spiteful when they wrote it. Z-man may just want to show C what it says before he deletes it.

True, he may not have personally checked his MS page, but I bet 'momma to be' did/does from her page and told him of the post.

Or for that matter, all of them are on each others pages and they may have called and told him.

[DeltaDawn]

So when she originally didn't recognize her daughter, but did recognize the furniture, and sheets..then she said later that was her daughter's favorite dress. That just does'nt look like a little 2-3 year olds favorite..to me. It looks like a younger verision of adult sleep wear. I think a little girls favorite dress would be something like a fairy dress or such. Not a leopard print nighty. But with CAS saying how he worked for SEIGFRIED AND ROY I can see how that might of been his favorite.

[DeltaDawn]

As far as the recent myspace comments..well do these people have any self esteem at all..what type of young women, meaning DANYELL puts that on someone's myspace when this man's girlfriend is 8 1/2 months pregnant..and makes herself seem like a hoe. Even if she is mad..she makes herself look worse for her comments. Total loser in my opinion. Hope she reads here so she can see what kind of impression she makes on others.

[Tom'sGirl]

As far as the recent myspace comments..well do these people have any self esteem at all..what type of young women, meaning DANYELL puts that on someone's myspace when this man's girlfriend is 8 1/2 months pregnant..and makes herself seem like a hoe. Even if she is mad..she makes herself look worse for her comments. Total loser in my opinion. Hope she reads here so she can see what kind of impression she makes on others.

LOL, and she's on another MS page also, but this one not very active.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=54796261 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=54796261)

[DeltaDawn]

Saw that one too Tom'sGirl, which one is the evil twin...I think we all know it isn't Mary, but Danyell!!!

[itsreenw]

I thought I read somewhere that M's mom said that "dress" or nightgown was M's favorite and she recognized it. I don't know where I read that, but I remember it somewhere.

Hmmmm...I bet there are a lot of conflicting comments. I posted this on the Dr Phil 10-17 thread but here it is again where her atty said she didnt recognize M on the tape. That dress is hard to forget. Dont know how her mom didnt recognize it right away...Listen

http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/topsto...275071045.html (http://cbs11tv.com/topstories/topstories_story_275071045.html)
He makes the comment about 2:40 into the video that she did not recognize her daughter but recognized Stiles.

On another note:

We can't discuss this case and be in fear. Ask away, I'm sure you know how to word your questions appropriately and if any of it is sexually oriented, which is sadly the deal here concerning the case, it's not our fault. This is the crux of the case. Sexual evil deviancy, that's what drove this molester to harm Purity Patience.

I was probably one of the 1st members to post my suspicions of M's mom and was sternly warned. My comments were not sexual in nature but mentioned what one would assume about the physical signs a parent might notice on their 3 yr old daughter after being assaulted. I felt my post was worded appropriately but at the time it went against the grain. (speaking out against C).

[DeltaDawn]

I still wonder about that too..if her Mom says she thinks this happened before she was 3 years old..how could repeated sexual offenses from a grown man not leave signs of abuse. The LE investigators thought that this was not the first incidence that they were watching on tape, due to the childs reaction. They certainly have seen this before and would know how a child reacts who has been repeated raped as aposed to a child that this is the first time that it took place. Something is still very off with the mother's reaction and verbage on this situation.

Of course to me, somthing seems very disfunctional about each of the players involved ..so I think why should the mother be any different? I don't hold much hope for this changing any of their lives for the better, or any of them seeing that any of their behavior may have made this easier for CAS to use little M like that. I think they are all pointing the finger at CAS and Tina, as the adult in charge, yet they knew Tina was not an adult that anyone should have left in charge due to the other allegations. No one here seems to be able to make a decision and stick to their beliefs beyond what partying they are going to do that night. They seem to have known Tina and CAS were not reliable adults, didn't personally like him..but thought nothing of intrusting their most precious gifts, their children to these same people. And Todd, Stephanie, and Tina's Mom all disliked him and didn't trust him..if M's Mom is Stephanie's best friend and living in that same enviroment she had to know about the original charges..heck Todd was in Ohio and he knew and wrote about in his journal.

[Tom'sGirl]

So when she originally didn't recognize her daughter, but did recognize the furniture, and sheets..then she said later that was her daughter's favorite dress. That just does'nt look like a little 2-3 year olds favorite..to me. It looks like a younger verision of adult sleep wear. I think a little girls favorite dress would be something like a fairy dress or such. Not a leopard print nighty. But with CAS saying how he worked for SEIGFRIED AND ROY I can see how that might of been his favorite.

Snip from article of what she said:

The girl's mother chose not to watch the video, but told police that she recognized striped sheets, her daughter's favorite leopard-print dress at the time and the knob-less wooden armoire in an apartment they moved from before the girl's third birthday in September 2003.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20071017-0358-sextape-suspect.html (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/nation/20071017-0358-sextape-suspect.html)

[DeltaDawn]

You know this is very mean to say, but how could her mother not watch the video..yes it would have been horrible, but I would have made myself watch it..because I do want to know what happens to my children. I f she had watched it, maybe then she might have really been able to understand what kind of hell this little girl lived with without a single soul to talk to about it...and someday she may need to talk about it..so , Yes as painful as it would have been , I would have watched it on my own for my daughter's benefit in the future. You can't change the past, but if you put your mind to it, you can learn from it..which I don't see these people doing that.

[JWG]

Hi, I am a lurker and finally had to comment.

I have a 3-year old who looks eerily like M. When I first saw M's picture on CNN I almost went into shock. I also have seen more recent pictures of M on cached Myspace pages, and they look like my oldest daughter when she was 7. Needless to say, this case has touched me in an unusual way.

Regarding the leopard print dress being M's favorite, I believe it. My daughter has favorite clothes, and I would consider her tastes rather strange. But she is 3, and it is not a battle we choose to fight. I will never forget her odd choice in clothing, and in fact it is a memory I will certainly cherish as she gets older.

People question the fact the mother did not recognize M at first, but recognized the dress, sheets, dresser, etc. I believe it. She was in shock and in denial. If my daughter were 7 and I found out this happened when she was 3, that would be my first reaction. I am sure it did not take long for her brain to finally admit what she saw.

How could the mom not know...? I have no idea what the physical trauma might look like, but let's assume the perp knows how to minimize it. Further, if mom was working two jobs, how often was she bathing M? Was that something left to the babysitter? We had a sitter for out daughter who did most of the bathing, so honestly it would be weeks between the times we actually would see our daughter's privates. C not knowing - in my mind - is quite plausible.

[itsreenw]

The girl's mother chose not to watch the video, but told police that she recognized striped sheets, her daughter's favorite leopard-print dress at the time and the knob-less wooden armoire in an apartment they moved from before the girl's third birthday in September 2003.
I think at this point any of us could recognize M's little face after seeing her image every day for 4+ weeks, even if she was in another outfit. After being this child's mother for 7 years, how did her mother recognize the background items before she recognized her own daughter's face????????? She didn't have to see the whole video, only the portions we saw to see her child's image clear as day.

[JWG]

You know this is very mean to say, but how could her mother not watch the video..yes it would have been horrible, but I would have made myself watch it..because I do want to know what happens to my children.

Look at CAS in the still images. Calm. Cool. Nothing but business. Look at the few images of M. Dead eyes. Why - as a parent - would I want to see more?

I think she knows / understands the hell without viewing the video. Seeing the video would be more torment than is necessary.

[Tom'sGirl]

I think at this point any of us could recognize M's little face after seeing her image every day for 4+ weeks, even if she was in another outfit. After being this child's mother for 7 years, how did her mother recognize the background items before she recognized her own daughter's face????????? She didn't have to see the whole video, only the portions we saw to see her child's image clear as day.

And especially the one close up with the light in the child's eyes where she truly looks a little less than 3 years of age.

[philamena]

JWG,
Welcome and kudos on your first post. You got me to thinking, my youngest is now in her late teens and as a toddler she definitely had favorite outfits and gowns so I don't think that is odd.

[itsreenw]

Look at CAS in the still images. Calm. Cool. Nothing but business. Look at the few images of M. Dead eyes. Why - as a parent - would I want to see more?

I think she knows / understands the hell without viewing the video. Seeing the video would be more torment than is necessary.
I would never want to see anyone's child being raped, however, as DeltaDawn stated, if I had to endure seeing that terrible video to know what my baby was living with inside, I'd force myself to sit through it, if I had to have nightmares every night, I would have to live through that, if I had to feel guilty every day for the rest of my life, I would live with all of that. As the person primarily responsible for making sure she was safe, I would have to experience all the pain my child felt, in order to help her get through it. I would never want to tell my daughter "I can only imagine what you went through..."
I would have to force myself to sit through it...after all, her daughter actually lived through it. My torment would be the least matter of importance.

M's mom stated on National television that she could have "lived without knowing about it". That's kinda cold and selfish, dontcha think??

[JWG]

M's mom stated on National television that she could have "lived without knowing about it". That's kinda cold and selfish, dontcha think??

I don't think so at all. Up to this point, in her eyes, M seemed fine. Some of the cached pictures I have seen show M with her mother. Both seem very happy and content. I really believe MMom adores M. So could she have lived without knowing this? Yes, I believe she could have.

[teedie2]

I thought the nightgown looked like it was made for an older person, and that perhaps it was her mother's gown she was dressed in. It looked sort of like it had some bosom room.

If it were my daughter, I know I would wish I were dead after watching the video, but I would watch it because what other way can you know what she went through, and knowing might give more insight into helping her later.

If it were my daughter, I would want to skin that creep alive, and I would start with the tenderest part in order to inflict the greatest amount of pain.

[julyfire]

Hello all - I am newly registered (took awhile to figure out the registration process and had to go through it twice) but I have been obsessively following this case here from almost the beginning. It just shocked me that a man would do such horrible things with such a young child...and then TAPE it as well. I know that such things happen every day (and wish they didn't) but I guess actually seeing his slimy face on those video captures really made me obsessed with this case in particular.

I have lots of different thoughts pent up from my long delay in registration, but I'll start with this...

I don't actually find it so hard to believe that M's mother could be a good mother and yet wish she had never found out about this. From what is being said, the little girl was TWO years old when this happened - not even 3 yet.

I remember exactly ONE thing that happened when I was two. My husband remembers NOTHING from that age. My son remembers nothing from that age and he is still a child even. My sister had quite a traumatic accident at that age that caused lots of pain, bleeding, and so forth to her private parts at that age (NOT sexual abuse - a bad straddle fall) and she remembers *nothing* about it. The only reason she even knows it happened is because other family members have told her.

My point is that it is VERY possible that it is true that M remembers nothing. Especially if CAS was skilled at "techniques" (gag, barf) to make whatever he did physically be fairly or entirely pain-free. Even if there was some physical pain, M may still not remember it (as in my sister's case). I doubt a child of that age would have any emotional pain at all, given that they are too young to understand what is going on or that it is wrong or anything that some people might be bothered by or ashamed of.

I can see where if M's mom truly believed that her daughter did not remember it that she would wish it was just never known at all. Because now with everything going on, M *will* know that something bad happened and may develop negative issues that were never there in the first place, KWIM?

It's just too bad that CAS couldn't have been locked up somehow without bringing M into the case or limelight at all. I know the police were doing what they needed to do, but it is too bad.

[itsreenw]

There have been so many interviews and pressers that I dread watching all of them to find the one where they say M and her mom looked at pics of CAS and they both cried. If M didn't remember anything she would have no reason to cry.

None of us really know the extent of the damage physically or emotionally that this poor baby girl will have to deal with for the rest of her life. Her story is national news so whether or not she remembered up to this point, she wont escape knowing what he did to her. And a 6'3" grown man raped this 2 yr old in every way possible according to police. There has to be some internal damage not to mention he stole her virginity from her before she even knows what that is and the precious value of preserving it.

I still think it's callous for her mother to say she could have lived without knowing that happened to her child. That would leave her child to suffer alone.

[julyfire]

I would think that M could have been crying just because her mother was crying. I know that sometimes when I have cried in front of my children, they cry as well - when they don't even know what is wrong. They are just sad and crying because Mommy is crying.

It's true that we don't know if there is any damage physically to M. I hope not, but I can see where there could be. I won't comment on the virginity thing except to say that I think you are a virgin until you WILLINGLY choose to have sex for the first time.

And M's mom may or may not have been being callous. I don't feel I have enough info to judge that right now. I have tremendous sympathy for her still - I can't imagine finding out something like this had happened to my baby...and then to know that the whole world knew about it as well. Who's to say what the "proper" way to react to such devastating news is, or whether any one of us would say the "right" things when going through such a shock. It's easy to judge from the sidelines.

My point is just that it is quite possible that if she thought M had no memory at all of it that she wished that she (and M and the rest of the world) would have never found out about it. You say it would leave M to suffer alone...but if there was no memory or suffering to begin with? But it is true that now M will be traumatized in some way whether or not she was to begin with, just from being told about this, as well as seeing her mother's (naturally) devastated reaction, if nothing else.

[DeltaDawn]

When her little face was first published in the news, M looked very forlorn and emotionally shut down in those pictures. Le even said from her reaction this had happened many times before. When small children are abused like that by an adult that is around them frquently, in this case CAS was probably there most of the time when Tina babysat the children, they tend to not tell on the adult because they are trying hard not to disrupt the family as they know it. More on that issue is in the Dr Phil taping of the LKL show, and his guest says that the children are protecting the family member and unit as they know them. Think that interview sheds light on how M may react to this in the future. Just because she doesn't remember now, does not mean that she won't remember in the future. It also lets us know that she really had no one to go to with this issue. And I still say if it were my daughter I would have made myself watch that tape and then prayed to god that LE found CAS before I did.
One thing we cannot forget in all this is this was not a normal family to begin with..CAS had been accused of harming another little girl yet he was still around and none of them turned him in or did a thing..they continued to let him be around their children. So everyone in this family's reaction was much different then the reaction most of us would have given to the first offense. They simply did what was easiest for them at the time.

[JWG]

teedie2:

From http://www.lvrj.com/news/10065001.html

"A woman from North Carolina identified the manufacturer of the animal-print dress the younger girl is wearing on the tape. The leopard-rose print, spaghetti-strapped jumper is part of the Laura Dare collection..."

[teedie2]

teedie2:

From http://www.lvrj.com/news/10065001.html

"A woman from North Carolina identified the manufacturer of the animal-print dress the younger girl is wearing on the tape. The leopard-rose print, spaghetti-strapped jumper is part of the Laura Dare collection..."

Thanks, JWG. I did know about the gown, I was just saying that this is what I thought when I first saw it. I still think it looks like a print for an older person, but, hey, I didn't have any little girls! :)

[teedie2]

I would think that M could have been crying just because her mother was crying. I know that sometimes when I have cried in front of my children, they cry as well - when they don't even know what is wrong. They are just sad and crying because Mommy is crying.....

Just what I wanted to say, but didn't. And I really hope that is why M cried, and not because she remembered.

[JWG]

Thanks, JWG. I did know about the gown, I was just saying that this is what I thought when I first saw it. I still think it looks like a print for an older person, but, hey, I didn't have any little girls! :)

Hey Teedie2, no problem...I have two girls. One is three right now, and I can vouch for the fact that her taste in clothing is nothing short of bizarre, and seems to have no connection to what the rest of her family or friends wear. And she never watches TV.

[JWG]

Just what I wanted to say, but didn't. And I really hope that is why M cried, and not because she remembered.

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a link to the article that says this event occurred? It is not something I remember reading.

[Tom'sGirl]

Out of curiosity, does anyone have a link to the article that says this event occurred? It is not something I remember reading.

I will try and find something to back it up if you have some doubts. It was the words spoken in a 'Presser' by Det. David Boruchowitz after he had gone to see 'M' and her mother.

[DeltaDawn]

JWG,

The link is in the first thread at the top of the forum page, photo and link thread. It is on page 1 of that thread, post 17. Click on the link there and it will take you to the almost 1/2 hour interview, during which this info on the little girl crying when she was shown the pictures of herself and Stiles from the tape was released.

[Tom'sGirl]

JWG,

The link is in the first thread at the top of the forum page, photo and link thread. It is on page 1 of that thread, post 17. Click on the link there and it will take you to the almost 1/2 hour interview, during which this info on the little girl crying when she was shown the pictures of herself and Stiles from the tape was released.

Yes, right here
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1710894&postcount=17
Thank you DD...............

[DeltaDawn]

TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST, WE CAN DEBATE THE POINT FOREVER OF RATHER M REALLY REMEMBERS THIS OR NOT AND WE STILL REALLY WILL NEVER KNOW OR GET A DEFINITIVE ANSWER.
And in protection of M and her Mom the police would'nt have said if she did remember this...CAS was still on the loose at that time and I am sure they were very aware that he might come after them. If Elaine was afraid for her life for turning him in, then I am sure M and her Mom were afraid he would come after them too. The police didn't want to say yes she remembers and she has confirmed it was him. They just wouldn't do that. The next questions from the press would have been what exactly does she remember, can she name CAS, can she remember when this happened, and on and on. If I was her Mother, I as well would be publicly saying (through my lawyer) she doesn't remember, so as to take the glare of publicity off of her, so we could go about getting help and healing in privacy. This would then put the person who did this, CAS, back in the public eye, where he belonged at that time. And he was the one who should've been getting the press' full attention.


That's just my take, everyone is entitled to their own thoughts on this issue.

[DeltaDawn]

What are your theories on how Tuck ended up with this tape that was copied and what is the connection between Tuck and CAS?

[dee10134]

What are your theories on how Tuck ended up with this tape that was copied and what is the connection between Tuck and CAS?

I think maybe CAS let someone borrow the tape and they copied it. I think Tuck happened upon the VCR that was being used to copy the tape. Either he or one of his burglary ring buddies stole it.

I think Tuck may very well be telling the truth about finding the tape, just lying about WHERE he found it.

I believe Tuck failed his lie detector test because
(a.) He really "found" the tape inside of a VCR that he stole or someone else stole, and
(b.) He probably DID watch the entire tape, even though he adamantly denies viewing the entire thing.

I think the only thing Tuck is guilty of is IF he watched the entire tape, a child pornography charge. That's really the only thing that LE and the prosecutors can PROVE.

[JWG]

My instinct says he bought it on the local black market, maybe not so much because he is a pedophile, but perhaps it held some "novelty" value to him. Anyone know if LE had a search warrant executed on his residence?

[DeltaDawn]

Yes they did way back at the begining of the case.

[itsreenw]

What are your theories on how Tuck ended up with this tape that was copied and what is the connection between Tuck and CAS?
I believe he committed a burglary and stole a VCR with the tape still in it &
curiosity made him watch the tape.

I think Tuck watched the tape repeatedly alone and with various people, kinda like "hey man, look at this sick sh*t", to get the shock effect from people for him coming into possession of something so taboo. I believe he did watch the entire tape more than once and secretly enjoyed it while he was alone.

I believe the last person he showed it to was not impressed and told him he should turn it in to the police. That may have concerned enough into thinking that if he didn't turn the tape in, they would turn him in. JMO

[DeltaDawn]

We know that Tuck showed it to a girl friend back in May.. the police have stated in one of the interviews that is how they knew he had the tape longer then he said. This girl may not be his girlfriend, but just a girl that is a friend of his. So, we know he didn't find the tape in the desert in Sept and then watched a small portion and turned it in. A burglary member could've given it to him, or he acquired it during a burglary. So, who did these people burglarize? ProbablyTuck does not know CAS and he does not know the person who had this tape before it was stolen. But, do the police know every house that these people broke into? Probably not, because if someone stole contraband, like this tape, you would never report it to the police, unless you were extremely stupid....which means they could have stolen other things from the same house which the owner reported after they got rid of anything illegal they had or the owner never reported the crime because more contraband other then this tape was stolen. So, I think Tuck is associated but in a very removed way..unless he personally stole it and will come forward with the address that he stole it at..and at this point I don't see him doing that.

[itsreenw]

That's exactly what I think. The person who owned the VCR wouldn't have reported it stolen and Tuck won't tell where he stole it from so burglar buddies will turn on him. It's likely that he would've felt relaxed enough around his own friends to tell the truth.

[DeltaDawn]

Did anyone find any background info on Tuck that is in reference to his fencing stolen merchandise, fencing porn, selling drugs, anything along that line? Or the names of the other suspects in the burglary ring? I've been digging but haven't gotten what I am looking for.

[Tom'sGirl]

Did anyone find any background info on Tuck that is in reference to his fencing stolen merchandise, fencing porn, selling drugs, anything along that line? Or the names of the other suspects in the burglary ring? I've been digging but haven't gotten what I am looking for.

Nope, I have no info. either, only where his folks live, but had that for a long time.

[itsreenw]

has anyone found if he has sibs?
I found a Curtis Tuck, 25, that's in a NV prison for being under the influence of a controlled substance.

His sentence 1s 19mo to 4 yrs.

[itsreenw]

Darrin Tuck Sr and wife Linda speaking about Tuck's criminal history
in the http://www.pahrumpvalleytimes.com/2007/Oct-24-Wed-2007/news/17455284.html


He also explained that his son had been struggling with a methamphetamine addiction, which is what led him to not pay child support in the first place.

Linda Tuck, stepmother of the accused, added that Tuck had voluntarily enrolled in the drug court program in August.
"He was clean for a month, and then decided to turn the tape in as part of the (rehabilitation) process," she said. "He's not a hardened criminal."




And with meth comes an underworld of all things criminal.

[believe09]

"Poor" Tuck-his stepmother's final statement to the reporter in the Pahrump times just took care of his Defense attorney's assertions that the tape was found and turned in in September. (To paraphrase) "He was clean for a month and turned the tape in as part of the rehabilitation process." So clearly he had possession of it prior to his rehabilitation process.:crazy:

[itsreenw]

"Poor" Tuck-his stepmother's final statement to the reporter in the Pahrump times just took care of his Defense attorney's assertions that the tape was found and turned in in September. (To paraphrase) "He was clean for a month and turned the tape in as part of the rehabilitation process." So clearly he had possession of it prior to his rehabilitation process.:crazy:
Good catch!! That's what happens when people want to jump in front of a a camera and start yapping. Now if he reaally wanted to start the rehab process, he'd tell where the tape actually came from.

[DeltaDawn]

Good catch!! That's what happens when people want to jump in front of a a camera and start yapping. Now if he reaally wanted to start the rehab process, he'd tell where the tape actually came from.


You are so right..he knows where he, or one of his tweeker friends, got that tape..he should've stayed in jail until his memory cleared up..
And what is with his stepmother..she wants her 15 minutes of fame too I guess...I never saw so many people that knew such degenerates wanting to get on TV and acknowledge that fact. This case is about to set a record for people willing to talk to the camera. Not one of these people knows how to say "No Comment"

[Tom'sGirl]

Tuck Sentenced To Five Month In Jail

Sentence Comes From Child Support Parole Violation
POSTED: 3:37 pm PDT October 29, 2007
UPDATED: 3:54 pm PDT October 29, 2007

PAHRUMP, Nev. -- One of the men arrested in the case revolving around a pornographic videotape will go to jail for unrelated charges.
Nye County officials said Darrin Tuck was sentenced to five months in jail for violating his parole. Tuck's parole stemmed from unpaid child support.
Tuck, 26, turned in a tape showing the sexual assault of a toddler to authorities. Police said they were investigating Tuck's involvement in a string of burglaries, and that led him to turn in the tape.

http://tinyurl.com/2tbss7

[DeltaDawn]

Thank you Tom's Girl..now Tuck may be able to regain his memory..or maybe one of his friends will for him. Being a tweeker in jail he has nothing to lose now...not paying child support so he could continue his meth habit, hope they also cut off any access to his child until he regains his memory and stops his illegal life style.

[itsreenw]

You are so right..he knows where he, or one of his tweeker friends, got that tape..he should've stayed in jail until his memory cleared up..
And what is with his stepmother..she wants her 15 minutes of fame too I guess...
:laugh:
I never saw so many people that knew such degenerates wanting to get on TV and acknowledge that fact. This case is about to set a record for people willing to talk to the camera. Not one of these people knows how to say "No Comment"
LOL!!

[Tom'sGirl]

Thank you Tom's Girl..now Tuck may be able to regain his memory..or maybe one of his friends will for him. Being a tweeker in jail he has nothing to lose now...not paying child support so he could continue his meth habit, hope they also cut off any access to his child until he regains his memory and stops his illegal life style.

I may be wrong, but I don't think she ever got out of jail and has been in there since arrested.

[DeltaDawn]

I thought he got out of jail for a few days when he posted bail on the other charges about the porn tape. Like maybe the weekend free..or I could be wrong, maybe he never posted bail on the porn tape charge, since he knew he was in parole violation on the child support charges ..hard to keep track of this nice upstanding young man's jail time.

[DeltaDawn]

I know we've beaten this subject until it was a dead horse, but I just have to say this.
Remember the reporter at the door to Stephani's house showing her the picture of CAS and then the picture with just little M in the bedroom? Remember her answer to the reporter's questions of do you know this child? She answered yes this is my best friends child, Do you recognize where this is? Yes, it's right here , I know that bed, those sheets, etc. Also ID'D Stiles and visabley backed away .
Then here's the question..if Stephanie could verify that was little M from the still picture, which is also what the police showed M's Mom...how could M's Mom not have recognized her own daughter when her best friend did?
Maybe she did ..but what would have been her lawyers point in saying she didn't?

[philamena]

I thought he got out of jail for a few days when he posted bail on the other charges about the porn tape. Like maybe the weekend free..or I could be wrong, maybe he never posted bail on the porn tape charge, since he knew he was in parole violation on the child support charges ..hard to keep track of this nice upstanding young man's jail time.

You're right, Tuck got out of jail for a few days and then the cops said he was a wanted man for parole violation. He was back in jail a few days later.

[Tom'sGirl]

Originally Posted by DeltaDawn http://websleuths.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1766381#post1766381)
I thought he got out of jail for a few days when he posted bail on the other charges about the porn tape. Like maybe the weekend free..or I could be wrong, maybe he never posted bail on the porn tape charge, since he knew he was in parole violation on the child support charges ..hard to keep track of this nice upstanding young man's jail time.


You're right, Tuck got out of jail for a few days and then the cops said he was a wanted man for parole violation. He was back in jail a few days later.

Yes DD, you were right............and thank you philamena.

[itsreenw]

I know we've beaten this subject until it was a dead horse, but I just have to say this.
Remember the reporter at the door to Stephani's house showing her the picture of CAS and then the picture with just little M in the bedroom? Remember her answer to the reporter's questions of do you know this child? She answered yes this is my best friends child, Do you recognize where this is? Yes, it's right here , I know that bed, those sheets, etc. Also ID'D Stiles and visabley backed away .
Then here's the question..if Stephanie could verify that was little M from the still picture, which is also what the police showed M's Mom...how could M's Mom not have recognized her own daughter when her best friend did?
Maybe she did ..but what would have been her lawyers point in saying she didn't? Yes DD, she did say that the furniture in the pics was there (where she was being interviewed) she did say that she recognized the sheets as hers then said they were "her friend's" and regarding M, she said she was her friend's daughter and I think she added "if that's the same little girl..."

IF that's the same girl???? Poor M. Her mother didn't recognize her and her mom's best friend wasn't so sure. But by golly, I bet they could both ID those bed sheets with their eyes closed!!!

[Jaded]

<SNIP>

I never saw so many people that knew such degenerates wanting to get on TV and acknowledge that fact. This case is about to set a record for people willing to talk to the camera. Not one of these people knows how to say "No Comment"

You're not kidding! Next stop, Jerry Springer.

[JWG]

Then here's the question..if Stephanie could verify that was little M from the still picture, which is also what the police showed M's Mom...how could M's Mom not have recognized her own daughter when her best friend did?

I believe it. My daughter is 3 1/2. I looked at some pictures of her recently when she was between 1 and 2 - not too long ago. I really could not believe she used to look like that. For C, add to it the trauma of knowing her daughter was abused and you can imagine that a lot of her mind did not want to believe it was M. I would not read too much into this.

[Indy Gal]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=226832607

This was pointed out to me by someone if they want it to be known who they are then they can say who they are. This is from BELLes myspace friend who is posting about ws. Read the blog websleuths. Interesting indeed.

[DeltaDawn]

Welcome PJay..we are a motley crew but we do try to figure out here what is true and what is fabrication and take it from there. I am sure you well add to our lively discussion.
DD

[Indy Gal]

So true! I LOL and rushed to join. Hello everyone...that post there broke the camels back for me. I've been following this case here and many times have agreed with many on this site. Most times I think it and one of you will type it.

Thanks for allowing me to join!
WELCOME to WS:blowkiss:

[DeltaDawn]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=226832607

This was pointed out to me by someone if they want it to be known who they are then they can say who they are. This is from BELLes myspace friend who is posting about ws. Read the blog websleuths. Interesting indeed.

I wanted to let everyone here know that it was I, DD, that gave the info to Indy to find that blog. I didn't want anyone thinking that it was TOM'SGIRL. We are having enough confusion now that Elaine is posting thru AllyBeamer, that I did not want the wrong person blamed for something I passed on to another member. So if you don't like that info being posted you know exactly where to come to express that.

[Indy Gal]

Thanks DD I didnt know if I should say who led me there or not. Thanks again!

[Tom'sGirl]

So true! I LOL and rushed to join. Hello everyone...that post there broke the camels back for me. I've been following this case here and many times have agreed with many on this site. Most times I think it and one of you will type it.

Thanks for allowing me to join!

Welcome to WS and to this Forum discussion PJay!

[Tom'sGirl]

I wanted to let everyone here know that it was I, DD, that gave the info to Indy to find that blog. I didn't want anyone thinking that it was TOM'SGIRL. We are having enough confusion now that Elaine is posting thru AllyBeamer, that I did not want the wrong person blamed for something I passed on to another member. So if you don't like that info being posted you know exactly where to come to express that.

Aww, you sweet gal, heck I don't care who may have thought I gave the link, I have broad shoulders.

Also I will add "who cares" what a circle of people that are not Members here have to say about our Site, or our posters, specifically me I gather since I mentioned RCC.:)

[DeltaDawn]

Aww, you sweet gal, heck I don't care who may have thought I gave the link, I have broad shoulders.

Also I will add "who cares" what a circle of people that are not Members here have to say about our Site, or our posters, specifically me I gather since I mentioned RCC.:)

TG,
I THINK YOU ARE A VERY INTELLIGENT, THOUGHT PROVOKING PERSON. IF YOU READ THE LOG FROM THE ON AIR INTERVIEW YOU WERE GIVING SHANNON ALOT OF PRAISE...YOU DON'T DESERVE THIS BACKLASH, NO ONE DOES. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST WISH ELAINE WELL IN HER FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS CASE AS WE WERE..WITH ALL THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES WE CAN FIND.
DD

[Indy Gal]

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: TG,
I THINK YOU ARE A VERY INTELLIGENT, THOUGHT PROVOKING PERSON. IF YOU READ THE LOG FROM THE ON AIR INTERVIEW YOU WERE GIVING SHANNON ALOT OF PRAISE...YOU DON'T DESERVE THIS BACKLASH, NO ONE DOES. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST WISH ELAINE WELL IN HER FUTURE ENDEAVORS AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISCUSS THIS CASE AS WE WERE..WITH ALL THE AVAILABLE RESOURCES WE CAN FIND.
DD

[SeriouslySearching]

This thread gets more strange all the time! (shaking my head)

Everyone having anything to do with this horrific crime seems to be so far from "normal".

[philamena]

Yes DD, you were right............and thank you philamena.

You're welcome TG. ;)

[DeltaDawn]

This thread gets more strange all the time! (shaking my head)

Everyone having anything to do with this horrific crime seems to be so far from "normal".

I totally agree with you SS..this is one long walk down a very dark and dingy street, with depravity lurking at every corner. If anyone in their life ever questioned what extreme sex, extreme partying, extreme drug use, and even stealing can do to a person they need to read poor little M's story here.

[DeltaDawn]

I am in agreement with you SS..she would not have even known CAS if she were living a normal life..which it seemed she spent alot of her time and Shannons (aka AlleyBeamer) trying her best to get us to beleive. However I am grateful she did the right thing by turning CAS in, but anyone who knew him should've done that..and I think that although she is reported as the first to do so, there were many others who did almost at the same time. If she had not been into group sex, S & M, and didn't really give much attention to drug use or past criminal history, by her own admission, and things she said on her website, then she never would have come into contact with a man like this. The lifestyle we choose certainly affects the people we meet along the way. She just wanted to be the hero, but without anyone looking into what she really did with her life. She turned in a past lover, and it was the right thing to do. She could have declined interviews and just said no comment, but she chose to put herself in the position she is in now. I won't speak of her further because really she has added very little into our investigation of the other players and Tuck, basically because shehas said she didn't know them or didn't know them that well.

[itsreenw]

Just wondering if anyone has found anything new about the case? I'm trying to find out who Darrin Tuck's friends are and also find police logs to see if there was a particular area with a high burglary rate during the time LE believes he came into possession of the tape.

[JWG]

While it is important as part of the investigative process to look at known associates, from what I have been able to see I've come to the opinion that M's mom, Tina's kids, and Elaine are being judged a bit too harshly here. I'm still not sure about Tina.

One of the most telling things I ran across was the slideshow that Todd Allen had running on his myspace page before it went private. In it I saw a bunch of normal looking people enjoying a day at the beach, including a 6 or 7-year old M. Anyone who saw this would have to agree that everyone in the pictures looked happy, at ease with each other, and genuinely affectionate toward each other. Todd looked like a normal, happy-go lucky guy - almost a chunky Donny Osmond (sorry Todd) - and not at all like the bad-boy persona he tries to portray elsewhere on his page.

Another image I found - presumably from the same day - was C giving M a kiss. It was clear there is a great deal of mother-daughter affection there. We can wonder how she could possibly miss the signs of abuse, but I submit it is possible. We can wonder how she could not initially recognize her daughter's image when the police first showed it to her - but I submit that is possible as well. While things might have gone differently if our own child were the victim is irrelevant. Each individual case is different. In this one C did not know it happened and must now live the rest of her life knowing this happened to her daughter. Its tragic for both mother and daughter.

With respect to Elaine, I don't see how her side profession has any bearing here. If it is the reason she was introduced to CAS...so what? Heck, I'm glad it happened because she was then able to ID CAS. But to draw a parallel between what she does and CAS's acts is too much of a stretch. I know a few people with "alternative lifestyles" whom I call friends. If I were asked to name three characteristics of these people I would start with happy, nice, and respectful.

I'm sure they have run into people who live more on the "seedy" side, but haven't we all? As it turns out, I went to high school with a man who I now know is a convicted pedophile. He was not a close friend, but he was still a friend. He was in my grade, many of my classes, we ran cross country and track together, and were in several clubs together. I'd been to his house a few times. However, when I heard about eight years after graduation that he was in jail for his crimes, I thought it was a joke. I thought I knew this kid, but I was wrong.

My point is, let's try to be fair to the side parties in this tragedy. I think the real questions that need to be answered are: 1) Who else did CAS victimize and 2) what was the chain of possession of the tape? Whoever held / owned that tape and did not turn it in is a criminal. Perhaps it went straight from CAS to Tuck via a robbery, but I doubt that.

[Tom'sGirl]

Just wondering if anyone has found anything new about the case? I'm trying to find out who Darrin Tuck's friends are and also find police logs to see if there was a particular area with a high burglary rate during the time LE believes he came into possession of the tape.

My thinking is that Darrin/Darren Tuck probably got that tape from a fellow tweeker as payment for a line, not stolen.

[Tom'sGirl]

While it is important as part of the investigative process to look at known associates, from what I have been able to see I've come to the opinion that M's mom, Tina's kids, and Elaine are being judged a bit too harshly here.
~snipped for length
Your post was very well written and put together JWG, I wish it were all as simple as you posted, but it isn't.

[DeltaDawn]

There is a connection somewhere how Tuck acquired this tape, it most likely either is having do to with Tuck's drug use, or the robberies, or both.
I am still searching for a connection that can lead us to Tuck's aquisition of this tape.

[dee10134]

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7293271

Edward Lawrence, Reporter
New Evidence Revealed Against Chester Stiles
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"Eyewitness News has uncovered disturbing new details in the case against Chester Stiles. Metro is trying to link Stiles to two sexual assaults on little children by DNA evidence.


Most of his 23 state charges come from a videotape turned over to the Nye County sheriff. Police say the tape shows Stiles raping a girl not even 3-years-old.


On Oct. 16, the day after Henderson police captured Stiles, Metro detectives collected his DNA. Metro Captain Vincent Cannito confirmed they collected the evidence.


"In addition to some additional interviews, the execution of a search warrant for Mr. Stiles' DNA that was signed this morning by Judge Lippis. The samples were collected at CCDC," said Capt. Cannito.


Search warrant documents say Metro police actually identified the sheets seen on the videotape showing Stiles raping a girl not even 3-years-old. The documents show the tape was made in 2003 in an apartment building on West Rochelle and they show the video was 20 minutes long, taped in one continual shot.


The search warrant says the video shows evidence from Stiles landed on the sheets. The search warrant goes on to say police recently got those sheets from the victim's mother. Metro's crime lab technicians say they can recover DNA evidence from the sheets even now, four years later.

The search warrant goes on to say Stiles' DNA may also be found in evidence from a second victim. She was just 6-years-old at the time of the sexual assault.


Police say Stiles assaulted the girl. Metro collected underwear, sheets, pillows, part of a carpet, a sweat shirt, and sweat pants the day of the crime in 2003. The evidence has stayed with police and can now be tested against Stiles' DNA.


Based on this, police may be able to link Stiles to the crimes by more than just the videotape.


Metro declined comment on whether items acquired by the search warrant were a match. Still, police appear to have more evidence than just the videotape in one assault and the word of a victim who was 6-years-old at the time."



GO METRO!!!! :woohoo: With this evidence, they're gonna put this POS away for LIFE!

[dee10134]

The search warrant says the video shows evidence from Stiles landed on the sheets. The search warrant goes on to say police recently got those sheets from the victim's mother. Metro's crime lab technicians say they can recover DNA evidence from the sheets even now, four years later.

How gross is it that M's mom still has those sheets and was probably sleeping on them with CAS' DNA on them. :sick:

Either way, it's really quite amazing what the crime labs can do!

[Tom'sGirl]

Chester Stiles Search Warrant Nets Cocaine, Glass Pipes, Video Cam

Nov 1, 2007 03:46 PM PDT

New information Thursday about Chester Stiles, the man accused of videotaping his sexual assault of a little girl. Police know the name he was using and where he was staying in the days before his arrest.

When Metro police searched the car Chester Stiles had been driving, they found a receipt to a weekly apartment rental. That place was room D1045 at the Suites Weekly Apartment Complex on Boulder Highway.

The management at the complex told police they did not recognize Stiles and said the room was registered to a Bill Richardson. Metro detectives believe that was an alias Stiles used.

Officers got a search warrant (http://news.eyewitnessnews8.com/documents/stiles_searchwarrant.pdf) for the room. What police found was a shocking amount of cocaine -- about a quarter of a pound. Officers also collected a digital scale, baggies used for distributing cocaine, a video camera, two glass pipes, and the owners manual to a 1996 Buick Century.

http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7299642

[DeltaDawn]

So, some have said that the only drug he ever used or sold was pot, well , I wonder how many of you still believe that Miss Elaine/Belle, Miss Tina and her children were telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

GREAT job Tom's Girl...some people want to beleive Cas and those in close assoc with him were almost babes in the woods...they need to take a second look at what really consitutes these people...meth hasn't shown up yet, but it will. They are going to arrest a tweeker and that tweeker is going to spill everything to save themselves..and that trail will lead to Chester, and those that say they knew nothing...nothing of this. My bet is Chester will cooperate and name names...he has nothing to loose...those doing TV interviews about knowing him, living with him..beware..your goose is about to be cooked too.

It seems if you are a big time Vegas drug dealer to bands , celebraties, etc..you do and will supply more then just pot. My premise from the beginning.

[Tom'sGirl]

So, some have said that the only drug he ever used or sold was Marijuane, well , I wonder how many of you still believe that Miss Elaine/Belle was telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

Sure does make you think about her statement of "He Wouldn’t even date people on meth or drugs" doesn't it :)

[DeltaDawn]

Yes, it does TG..infact looking at his arrest picture compared to the earlier pictures...it doesn't look like just life on the street for a week..it looks like a coke / meth addict to me. But you have to know how these people change appearance as far as facial blemishes..where they pick at their lesions to know that. In his first arrest picture I thought on the left side of his face it looked like the start of one, around his cheek bone area...but his hair was also there so ..it could be a photo blur...kinda doubt it though. Tina certainly used more then pot, even from her on air interviews, you can tell she is prehaps without her normal self prescribed meds...Todd talked about other drug use in his journals...so the story goes. I think they have been very brazen and it is sad that they would come forward to the extent they all did..I think they not only wanted their 15 minutes of fame..but needed to cover their butts.. No comment would have sufficed in any case.

[Tom'sGirl]

Todd talked about other drug use in his journals...so the story goes. I think they have been very brazen and it is sad that they would come forward to the extent they all did..I think they not only wanted their 15 minutes of fame..but needed to cover their butts.. No comment would have sufficed in any case.

And ironically, it's only 1 minute (0.60 miles) from 'D's. Coincidence I guess, but it is interesting!

[DeltaDawn]

And there is Susan in SO Cal, not only a love interest, but now probably a link in the drug connection...either user, or supplier to others, or CAS himself..to keep the money rolling in..wouldn't you find places for your assoc to stay?

[itsreenw]

Sure does make you think about her statement of "He Wouldn’t even date people on meth or drugs" doesn't it :)

Heck, we all knew that was a lie. Maybe he led her to believe that since she didnt use drugs.

That statement does sound like denial. Meth IS a drug and even more damaging to society than cocaine.

I doubt CAS just started this new business venture when he went on the run. So we know he had customers who knew he was Public Enemy #1 but didnt turn him in so they could still use him as their coke "connect".
I wonder if there were security cams in the area to see who was coming and going.

[DeltaDawn]

Still checking out Pahrump arrests during last summer, and I have to say, that for the size of the population they have a very big meth and burglary problem...which go hand in hand. It's hard to figure which burglary arrests have do to with friends or connections to Tuck. With use of cell phones today by most younger people that makes their addresses and employment harder to track online. I am at a loss although I have come up wth arrests that coinded with 1 or 2 burglaries. One was a copper burglar arrest, the burglary seemed to have gone on more then 1 or 2 times. The other was about stolen property and sexual asault and possesion of stolen property. Both of these incidents involed atleast three or more people prior to Tucks turnover of the tape. But there are many more arrests for people for the drugs and stolen property..so it is hard to pinpoint which may have been assoc of Tuck...esspecially with sell phone use and rental properties. When I tracked back all seemed to deal with meth at some point.

[DeltaDawn]

itsreenw,
off the subject..but I hope you and your family did not sustain much damage in the recent earthquake in th SF area.

[itsreenw]

itsreenw,
off the subject..but I hope you and your family did not sustain much damage in the recent earthquake in th SF area.
DD, thanks so much for being concerned. :blowkiss:
I'm in Sacramento now so I didn't feel a thing. My family that's in the bay area didn't mention that they felt it either and I was down there last night so I know there was no structural damage. It was quite a jolt from what I hear, though!

[Reannan]

"The man accused of molesting a little girl in an explicit sex videotape hid out last month in a short stay apartment where authorities have found a video camera and a quarter-pound of cocaine, a detective said Friday."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307824,00.html

[Filly]

You guys are doing a really good job sleuthing this. Don't know if this will help, but since the connection between crytal meth and sex offenses is alarming I wanted to let you know there's actually a registry. Much like that of the Sex Offender registry. As of now I think only Tennessee is up and running. I found a Bill Richardson with the alias of Billy Gene Henderson who lived in Pahrump, Vegas, and two places in Tennessee. Just a shot in the dark, but ya never know. Crystal is worse than a cancer. The population can be small, but once that drug hits virtually everyone is effected. Here's a link about the registry. Maybe it will help. Sorry, I so wish I had time today to check it out. Great work though you all.http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=117748

[teedie2]

"The man accused of molesting a little girl in an explicit sex videotape hid out last month in a short stay apartment where authorities have found a video camera and a quarter-pound of cocaine, a detective said Friday."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,307824,00.html


That SOB POS sure is attached to his video camera, isn't he?

I notice that he has received death threats, too. Oh, poor fellow!

[DeltaDawn]

You guys are doing a really good job sleuthing this. Don't know if this will help, but since the connection between crytal meth and sex offenses is alarming I wanted to let you know there's actually a registry. Much like that of the Sex Offender registry. As of now I think only Tennessee is up and running. I found a Bill Richardson with the alias of Billy Gene Henderson who lived in Pahrump, Vegas, and two places in Tennessee. Just a shot in the dark, but ya never know. Crystal is worse than a cancer. The population can be small, but once that drug hits virtually everyone is effected. Here's a link about the registry. Maybe it will help. Sorry, I so wish I had time today to check it out. Great work though you all.http://www.stateline.org/live/ViewPage.action?siteNodeId=136&languageId=1&contentId=117748

Great job Filly!

I saw that same Richardson and I thought too, with him living in Pahrump at one time and the use of Henderson as an alias, with Henderson being outside Vegas too...could this also be him.
The states need to start these list of meth abusers and linking them with sex offenders, and domestic battery. When I lloked at Pahrump's sherriff's record in the Pahrump Valley newspaper it was alarming that most of the crime there is domestic abuse, battery, and drug use, along with burlgary.

[Filly]

There's lots of information out there about crystal meth, but this article tells a bit about the children who suffer sexual abuse in households where it's being used, made which is usually both. I haven't been keeping up with all of this, but if Tuck is definately a crystal user he'll do pretty much anything for the next hit. Any of these people lived in Oregon at all? Sorry, if that was stated or a redundant question. Crystal hit there really hard. This is a sad link, but unfortunately reality.http://www.authorsden.com/visit/viewarticle.asp?AuthorID=2211&id=20133

[DeltaDawn]

Very interesting article Filly, and that seems to feed right into this case..because we already know that Tuck is a meth user, he preferred his drug obviously over his child support payments, and who knows tha tmay have been what ended his marriage..his meth use.

[Tom'sGirl]

Tuck To Be Arraigned Dec. 3

PAHRUMP, Nev. -- The man who claims he found the tape of a toddler being sexually assaulted is going to trial for possession of child pornography. During a preliminary hearing Tuesday, Nye County District Attorney Bob Beckett convinced a judge to move forward with the felony allegations against Darrin Tuck Jr.

It took Beckett less than an hour to convince the judge that a crime had been committed, and that Tuck Jr. should face charges in connection to that crime.
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Outside the courtroom, Tuck Jr.'s family stands behind him completely.
"I think my son is a hero," Darrin Tuck Sr. said. "There's a criminal off the streets now -- a dangerous criminal -- there is no telling what else he would be doing. He's in jail thanks to my son."
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Rasmussen said he thinks Tuck Jr. will be found not guilty.

"We're confident that after a jury reviews the information, they are not going to get 12 people to convict this kid," he said.

Tuck Jr.'s arraignment is Dec. 3.

Authorities said he will be held in custody until then.

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[Tom'sGirl]

~snip from LVSun

A friend of Tuck's, James Childs of Pahrump, testified that Tuck told him in May that he found the videotape, Beckett said.

Pahrump Justice of the Peace Tina Brisebill threw out a defense subpoena seeking to compel DeMeo to testify about allegations linking Stiles and Tuck. The judge ruled that the document was improperly filled out, Rasmussen and Beckett said.

Tuck's arraignment was set Dec. 3 in Nye County District Court. Rasmussen said he will plead not guilty and fight the child pornography charge.
Tuck remains jailed in Pahrump on a five-month sentence for violating probation by failing to pay child support.

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[Filly]

TG, if that fiend of Tuck's testified he told him he found the tape in May I'm guessing that he's obviously not the person who viewed it. So, are they holding out for that to be reveled at a later time? If they know who that person is that saw it wouldn't he have to testify? Ya'd have to wonder exactly what he told this friend Chris. Anyone told you that you would surely talk them into turning that tape in immediately.