Was Erin Murdered

[Indy Gal]

Okay so I guess we should have done this with kelly's but I feel now we should have one for Erin.

[Indy Gal]

I voted number 3 I dont know why but I keep coming back to this. Also Maybe I shouldnt have said seizure in 3 so disregard that part please!!

[SeriouslySearching]

And I just cancelled out your vote. : ) I voted she died from a medical condition.

[Indy Gal]

neener neener, I knew what you would say before you did...LOL

[SeriouslySearching]

LOL I knew ya knew.

[Littledeer]

Indy & SS:

I voted yes. Even with today's results on Kelly, IMO Erin was murdered.

[Indy Gal]

Someone agreed with me???? Please if you dont mind post why you voted the way you did. Not you LD but the others who have voted

[Busylady]

I voted she also had medical condition. The sweat pants thing steers me away from the sex idea. Unless while he was supposedly heard in the bathroom she got up and put sweat pants on? Oh hell I don't know, but my gut tells me James did not do this.

[Indy Gal]

I dont believe he murdered her either. I just cant get past the handprints on the neck. I WANT PHOTOS!! I will get to see them. I WILL be going to the trial, whenever that may be.

[SeriouslySearching]

What handprints?!?!

[imnotheonlyone]

I voted she also had medical condition. The sweat pants thing steers me away from the sex idea. Unless while he was supposedly heard in the bathroom she got up and put sweat pants on? Oh hell I don't know, but my gut tells me James did not do this.


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[Indy Gal]

What handprints?!?!
An autopsy found bruising on the woman's neck "as though someone had used their hands and squeezed on Stanley's throat," the affidavit stated.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hecHuHdBTWA2VsvID_QeEkKlwNdgD8S6I5G00

I cant find it now ss i just woke up...lol but i swear somewhere it says you can see handprints on her neck??

[FormerRichmondRes]

An autopsy found bruising on the woman's neck "as though someone had used their hands and squeezed on Stanley's throat," the affidavit stated.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hecHuHdBTWA2VsvID_QeEkKlwNdgD8S6I5G00

I cant find it now ss i just woke up...lol but i swear somewhere it says you can see handprints on her neck??

Today's article says this . . .

"She said that bruising around Erin Stanley's neck was not immediately noticeable. After time it became obvious."

http://www.pal-item.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071025/NEWS01/710250303/1008

[SeriouslySearching]

There are some interesting medical articles on bruising postmortem. This will surely be brought out during the trial. It will be significant when the "bruising" appeared as it can be caused during an autopsy while removing certain parts for examination.

This is what confused me, Indy! Handprints and bruises of hands possibly causing pressure points are two different things. LOL

[Indy Gal]

This is what confused me, Indy! Handprints and bruises of hands possibly causing pressure points are two different things. LOL
Oh I know but IIRC when it was first announced they said there were handprints around her neck. I think they are backtracking on a lot now. Some of the articles dont contain what they used too???

[Busylady]

document said, and the only other people in the house were her parents and daughterMaybe this?

McFarland was in bed with Erin Stanley at the time of her death, the . An autopsy found bruising on the woman's neck "as though someone had used their hands and squeezed on Stanley's throat," the affidavit stated.

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/boyfriend-charged-in-death-of-1-of-2/n20071010160009990003

[Indy Gal]

Thanks Busy!! That is what I read!

[HAWG]

I voted that Im not sure yet because I think at this point in the ivestigation there are toooo many what ifs I need to see some hard evidence to say. It may be wishful thinking on my part but I have alot of doughts now.

[cheko1]

I wish I could go back & change my vote......but to late now!
That said...... I think James is innocent! I went back & read as many articles as I could & feel my vote was very wrong.

I think Erin also died from a medical condition & the ME overlooked the exact cause of death.

This is a case where people failed to do their jobs correctly. I don't want to see a innocent man go to jail. I agree the entire case looked very bad for James from the beginning. This case also been like no other we've encountered here at WS that I can remember.

[deb2007]

I voted too early to say. I don't have enough evidence one way or the other.

[Mygirlsadie]

Did they ever say exactly what happened with these 2 girls? I know the bf of one of them was a suspect and got arrested but did he ever admit to killing both of them or when,why, how?!

[the bumblebug]

Mygirlsadie
Here is what we seem to know thus far. Most came from testimonyin the boyfriend's bond hearing.

Cause of death for Erin was strangulation
Cause of death for Kelly was stated as being from stress related seizure
Boyfriend was interrogated for over one hour and it sas taped
The Stanley's were initially asked about 7 question by a Centerville police officer - not the lead investigator
The police did not have a rape kit on the body
The police did not ask the medical examiner for scrapings from under Erin's fingernails
The bedsheet was removed from the bed by the boyfriend the first day at the family's request and it was then put in a garbage bag and placed in the garage...it swas picked up a few days later by the lead examiner. It was not tested and the lead investigator said he did not have any intention of having it tested. The to sheet and blanket are mission and presumed thrown out. At the autopsy, even though the pathologist said he thought Erin had been strangled neither the pathologist, the lead investigator thought it advisable to run a rape kit or take scraping from underneith Erin's fingernails. It also appears that Erin clothes worn that night are also missing. The boyfriend has never changed his story and claims that he did not have anything to do with Erin's death. The hearing also revealed that the night via Erin's mothers testimony that Erin's father had 10 beers at a local tavern the night before Erin was found. Mrs. Stanley said that she had drank 1 White Russian at home and then 3 more White Russians at the tavern with her husband. She also said they were at the tavern between 1 and 1 1/2 hours. Erin Sister's death was ruled as by "natural causes"

I hope this fills in some of the blanks.

[Mygirlsadie]

Thank you bumble!! So what is the buzz around here? Do you guys think he killed both of them? How does a normal otherwise healthy young lady die of natural causes? :waitasec:

[MCDRAW]

I wonder if Erin didn't die from a seizure too. It just seems to me like James is a convenent scape goat. IMO

[the bumblebug]

Mygirlsadi & McDraw
Centerville is a small town with a police force of five. I would have thought the minute two young women showed up dead in the same house withion 6 days of each other the police would have turned to case over to a much better equipped agency to conduct the investigation. I think the fact that they did not ask for help until after the second girl died begs the question why did they not want to turn it over to another agency. I really think the reason this case was kept in house was becasue they had a real good reason to keep it in house within the community. How else can we explain all the errors made in conducting the investigation. It is almost like they didn't want anything left for the defense to be able to use in defending the defendant. Not asking for fingernail scrapings and not running a rape kit on a 19 year old female that possibly died of strangulation are errors that not even a rookie cop would make let alone a coroner and a pathologist. They were all in the room when the autopsy was conducted. Centerville has at least five known sex offenders in the area and I believe one is identified as violent. We have all heard of recent grabbing of young women from their homes...what are we to believe. The lead investigator said he never considered that someone out of the house might of done this not had he considered that Erin might have gotten up and taken a fall and then made it to the bed only to die. It's like they only had one suspect and that was the only direction they were going to pursue.
When Kelly's cause of death was announced, they did say there was something in the family's medical history that helped them determine that she died from stress related seizures. I have never been comfortable with that diagnoses. If Kelly's cause of death had not been natural then I think it safe to say that the deaths would have probably been considered related. It is my understanding that the defendant had an air tight alibi the the second girl's death. I think this case shows an incredible rush to judgment because of pressure being applied by the local community. To say that others (outside the house) were not considered shows a true lack of critical thinking (outside the box). It is my sincere hope that justice is done in this case. Nonetheless, I don't want anyone convicted without some hard evidence and right now it looks like the only thing they can say about the defendent is that he was in the house tha might...but of course we knew that because he asked Erin's parents to call 9-1-1. Both parents that night said there were no arguments or tension in the house. I still have a lot of questions and hopefully some of them will get answered soon. I hope this synopsis helps some.

[MCDRAW]

I find it odd that both girls died at home so close together. I have often wondered if Erin didn't have a seizure that caused her death too. If someone had come in and raped and stranguled Erin wouldn't James have woke up? I guess I'm thinking they either both had seizures or neither of them did.

[the bumblebug]

mcdraw
The testimony in the bond hearing revealed that there were at least our people in the house if we include the baby. Since there are plenty of people who do not wake up easily, I am not convinced that hearing the event is such a big deal. We know that at least one door lock didn't work some of the time and we know also that the parent's bedroom is across the hall from where Erin and her boyfriend slept. Why didn't Mr. Stanley hear something. I understand that Mrs. Stanley that night slept on a couch in another room. Also, For all we know Erin could have gotten up during the night to feed the baby...perhaps fallen against a piece of furniture...and not realized the seriousness of her injury gotten back into bed and died of internal bleeding caused by a crushed wind pipe or vocal chords. I even wonder if it's clear where the act that killed her took place. If the event that took her life occurred elsewhere, we might not even have a homicide at all. Since both girls' bodies were so quickly cremated, neither side will ever have an opportunity for an objective second look.

[MCDRAW]

mcdraw
The testimony in the bond hearing revealed that there were at least our people in the house if we include the baby. Since there are plenty of people who do not wake up easily, I am not convinced that hearing the event is such a big deal. We know that at least one door lock didn't work some of the time and we know also that the parent's bedroom is across the hall from where Erin and her boyfriend slept. Why didn't Mr. Stanley hear something. I understand that Mrs. Stanley that night slept on a couch in another room. Also, For all we know Erin could have gotten up during the night to feed the baby...perhaps fallen against a piece of furniture...and not realized the seriousness of her injury gotten back into bed and died of internal bleeding caused by a crushed wind pipe or vocal chords. I even wonder if it's clear where the act that killed her took place. If the event that took her life occurred elsewhere, we might not even have a homicide at all. Since both girls' bodies were so quickly cremated, neither side will ever have an opportunity for an objective second look.


My husband is one of those people that sleep very hard. I have a lot of questions in this case. I have wondered if James was guilty. I just have a feeling that he was someone convenient to blame Erin's death on. If her sister hadn't died in the same house just a few days later, it might not be so suspicious in my mind. Mind you, this is only my opinion of what little I have read.

[the bumblebug]

When evidence is not collected, not analyzed, lost and the body is quickly cremated, you have to wonder.... why?

[the bumblebug]

One of the things that bothers me is the almost immediate cremation of the girls' bodies. I not so concerned that they were cremated as that is truly a family's own decision to make. I am very concerned about the fact that almost no information about little details about the burials were reported by local media. I am also concerned that the family did not within a few weeks or a month or two speak to the community and thank them for their concerns and prayers. I cannot imagine the family essentially saying anything for more than 5 months. This case seems to have huge gaps in it and lots of disinformation seems to have flown throughout the community like the girls were in Fort Wayne for forensic testing at the same time. I understand that story was spread early in the investigation. Any comments.