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colomom
11-05-2007, 02:15 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/news/14511488/detail.html

FFS, here we go again...

STELLA, Mo. -- Investigators suspect foul play was involved in the disappearance of a 9-year-old girl from her southwest Missouri home late Friday or early Saturday.
Rowan Ford, of Stella, was getting ready for bed around 8:30 p.m. Friday when her mother, Colleen Spears, left for work at a nearby Wal-Mart, authorities said.
The girl's stepfather, David Spears, told investigators that she was asleep when he looked in on her before going out with friends around 10:45 p.m., said Newton County Sheriff Ken Copeland.

(continues)

Squishified
11-05-2007, 02:20 PM
Ugh! Hope they solve this one quickly.

colomom
11-05-2007, 02:24 PM
More here:

http://www.joplinglobe.com/neosho_newton_mcdonald%20county/local_story_308225837.html?keyword=topstory

colomom
11-05-2007, 02:26 PM
"Copeland said the stepfather and two of his male friends were with the girl at the home until they decided to go out together about 10:45 p.m. The stepfather told investigators that he looked in on the girl in her bedroom before leaving, and she was asleep."

I have a really bad feeling about this......

colomom
11-05-2007, 02:41 PM
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/missouristatenews/story/32F1766195E510B38625738A00479EF5?OpenDocument

"The sheriff said David Spears later told investigators that he left home a second time during the night Rowan disappeared.

Spears called his mother sometime after 1 a.m. Saturday and asked to use her vehicle, Copeland said. She took it to him around 1:30 a.m., then stayed at his house while Spears used her vehicle for about 5 1/2 hours, the sheriff said.

Copeland declined to say what Spears told investigators he was doing with the vehicle."

I trust that he is currently being interrogated....better be!!

ella's mom
11-05-2007, 02:48 PM
Look at that, the story changes during the second round of questioning. I have a pretty good idea of what he needed a vehicle for for 5 1/2 hours. I sure hope they have that vehicle in custody right now.

I am very curious what he told his mother he needed the car for and what he told police he used it for. If his mother stayed at the house for 5 1/2 hours (so until at least 7:00am) she had to of known the child wasn't there.

How sad. Hate to say it, but pretty sure this will not have a happy ending.


http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/missouristatenews/story/32F1766195E510B38625738A00479EF5?OpenDocument

"The sheriff said David Spears later told investigators that he left home a second time during the night Rowan disappeared.

Spears called his mother sometime after 1 a.m. Saturday and asked to use her vehicle, Copeland said. She took it to him around 1:30 a.m., then stayed at his house while Spears used her vehicle for about 5 1/2 hours, the sheriff said.

Copeland declined to say what Spears told investigators he was doing with the vehicle."

I trust that he is currently being interrogated....better be!!

Squishified
11-05-2007, 02:50 PM
This is very sad and does not sound good. :(

colomom
11-05-2007, 03:02 PM
http://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do?searchType=name

DAVID W SPEARS
777 GROVE ST
STELLA, MO 64867
Date of Birth: 11/14/1982

colomom
11-05-2007, 03:05 PM
I see driving without a license, DWI, forced child support and a garnishment for a hospital bill.

Not a stranger to the courts :mad:

LE needs to find the "friends" also.

MissieMt
11-05-2007, 03:16 PM
That link just sent me to the main page. I tried doing a search but just found stuff for fines, etc. My question:
how on earth was the Mom gone working at walmart for over 12 hours? I work at walmart and NO ONE works a 12 hour shift here.

colomom
11-05-2007, 03:26 PM
That link just sent me to the main page. I tried doing a search but just found stuff for fines, etc. My question:
how on earth was the Mom gone working at walmart for over 12 hours? I work at walmart and NO ONE works a 12 hour shift here.

There are many little tabs on the page to click for more details (I fixed the link to go to search page).

Ex-wife is a winner too, IMO.

Off to check on current wife (Rowans mom).

dr dona
11-05-2007, 04:17 PM
This case reminds me of Evelyn Miller from Ia. Mom working-Husband/boyfriend/stepfather at home with child. Starts boozing it up with buddies and- POOF- child is missing---NOT GOOD!!!!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

colomom
11-05-2007, 07:23 PM
http://www.kctv5.com/news/14511488/detail.html

FBI Joins Search For Missing Girl

Why???

colomom
11-05-2007, 07:28 PM
http://www.neoshodailynews.com/articles/2007/11/05/news/02stella.txt

Heartbreaking.....

philamena
11-05-2007, 07:30 PM
I'm betting the mother's husband sexually abused the little girl, killed her and then hid her body. grrrrrrrrrrr

I am sick of hearing about this cases. :(

SeriouslySearching
11-05-2007, 08:24 PM
I haven't followed this case, but it does sound like that man has everything to do with her disappearance. If his mom came over to loan him a car in the middle of the night and she stayed there...did she bother to check in on the little girl? I know I would have! I would have also asked a LOT of questions as to why my son needed my car in the middle of the night, too!! What was this woman thinking or does she know what he was doing already? There is so much hinky about this case.

There is no way he is not involved in this and no way this is going to come to a good end.

Bless her little heart. She sounds like such a dear, sweet child. She just wanted acceptance and love by the way she showed up early to surround herself with kind, loving people. This points to what she was missing at home.

Barnaby
11-05-2007, 08:29 PM
Another tragedy which I doubt will have a happy ending!

concernedperson
11-05-2007, 08:31 PM
I haven't followed this case, but it does sound like that man has everything to do with her disappearance. If his mom came over to loan him a car in the middle of the night and she stayed there...did she bother to check in on the little girl? I know I would have! I would have also asked a LOT of questions as to why my son needed my car in the middle of the night, too!! What was this woman thinking or does she know what he was doing already? There is so much hinky about this case.

There is no way he is not involved in this and no way this is going to come to a good end.

Bless her little heart. She sounds like such a dear, sweet child. She just wanted acceptance and love by the way she showed up early to surround herself with kind, loving people. This points to what she was missing at home.This is going to be one of those cases where we wonder how much evil plays a part.

There is no way this mom of his wasn't aware of what he was doing and trying to hide the fact. I have seen it on other cases where it is prevalent. I know it is soon to call and judge but there is an ongoing malignancy to obscure facts of a case when the end result bears a strong resemblence to your own family. You have got to look at these people and their motives.

colomom
11-05-2007, 08:54 PM
Can you guys tell me why the FBI would be called in? Would that be because she was taken out of state? Are there other reasons? Forgive my ignorance, this is new to me.

Thanks.

CaliKid
11-05-2007, 10:40 PM
Can you guys tell me why the FBI would be called in? Would that be because she was taken out of state? Are there other reasons? Forgive my ignorance, this is new to me.

Thanks.

It's probably because a child is involved. FBI get into these cases very early nowadays to make sure local LE doesn't screw them up.

If David Spears went out drinking early in the evening, how did he get there? Was he picked up? It sounds as if he didn't have a car, otherwise why would he have to borrow one from his mother?

CaliKid
11-06-2007, 12:18 AM
I'm wondering why the mother waited so long to actively search for Rowan. She returned home at 9, and her daughter was missing. She waited 7-8 hours? to begin looking for a 9-year-old? If none of her friends had heard from her, I would've been organizing people and driving around by noon at the latest.


"I came in around 10 minutes to 9 a.m. Saturday and went to the bathroom," said Colleen. "A lot of times she (Rowan) will open the door (to see me), when I would pull up, sometimes she would wait until I was out of the bathroom."

Not seeing her daughter, Colleen went into her bedroom to check on her. She was not there.

"I then woke him (David Spears, Colleen's husband and Rowan's stepfather) up, because he was sleeping on the couch, and asked him if she went to someone's house," Colleen said.

Colleen started calling Rowan's friends around 10 a.m.

Colleen said Rowan likes to ride her bike, but the bike was still at the house.

Not finding her daughter, Colleen started searching around 4:30 or 5 p.m. Saturday.

Mygirlsadie
11-06-2007, 02:25 AM
CaliKid I hear ya! I start freaking out almost immediately if I don't know where one of my kids are. I go into panic mode if I call them more then twice and they don't answer me..I have a son who likes to ''hide'' he has mild autism and is also 9 years old I am surprised he has not given me a heart attack yet because I just can't handle not knowing where any of my kids are at all times. He did escape the house one time when he was about 3 years old and as soon as I searched the house I ran outside and began searching the neighborhood within 15 minutes I had the Police and all the neighbors already out looking with me I don't wait because time is too precious when it comes to our kids.




I'm wondering why the mother waited so long to actively search for Rowan. She returned home at 9, and her daughter was missing. She waited 7-8 hours? to begin looking for a 9-year-old? If none of her friends had heard from her, I would've been organizing people and driving around by noon at the latest.

ceeaura
11-06-2007, 08:11 AM
Another missing story that is not adding up :( That stepdad/boyfriend had to have had something to do with it.His story is not sitting well with me.Basically he said he left a 9 yearold girl home alone while he went out drinking pfft then his mom bring her car for him to use at 1 am in the morn for 5 and a half hours.Yea ok theres a lot to do in those am hours.

What is up with the mom not even physically looking for her daughter until 4:30 - 5 pm:waitasec: I would have been in panic mode as soon as I saw she wasn't in her bed or at home anywhere and her bike that she rode everywhere was still sitting in the yard.

Nope nope nope story is not adding up.I hate to say this but its not looking good that she will be found alive :( Hope she is found soon so justice can be served.

colomom
11-06-2007, 09:26 AM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_story_310005403.html?keyword=leadpicturestor y

http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/images_sizedimage_310005427/resources_photoview

CaliKid
11-06-2007, 11:49 AM
If the stepfather is a POI, it makes sense that he wouldn't be participating in the searches, but there's no reason to not honestly answer questions about Rowan unless he has something to hide. I'd say, give this man a polygraph and lock up his butt if there's any indication of foul play.

Mygirlsadie
11-06-2007, 04:32 PM
tsk tsk tsk...








http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/images_sizedimage_310005427/resources_photoview

Lovely home....

felder
11-06-2007, 11:18 PM
This doesn't sound good. Originally found on the Shawn Hornbeck website:

A ShawnAlert has been issued for 9 year old Rown Ford of Stella, Missouri. Rowan, a fourth-grader at Stella Elementary School, was getting ready for bed around 8:30 p.m. Friday when her mother left for work at a Wal-Mart story in nearby Purdy. She was discovered missing the next morning when her mother returned home from work. Newton County Sheriff Ken Copeland said he has every reason to believe there is foul play involved.

More at links:
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_308225837.html
http://tinyurl.com/yphval

Spazkat9696
11-06-2007, 11:20 PM
Who was supposed to be watching her?The step dad and his friends went out hummm sound funny to me.

hoppyfrog
11-07-2007, 12:13 AM
If you're interested, there's a long thread for Rowan already here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55797

felder
11-07-2007, 12:42 AM
If you're interested, there's a long thread for Rowan already here:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55797

Thank you. I did a search before posting the new thread, and didn't find anything, but I clearly did something wrong.

Moderators, feel free to delete this thread.

hoppyfrog
11-07-2007, 11:07 AM
Nah. You didn't do anything wrong. Just wanted to point out the other thread so you could go there for more info if you wanted to. :)

Hoppy

bnhall
11-08-2007, 10:21 PM
Still no sign of her. :(

In the sixth day of the search for missing Rowan Ford, 9 of Stella, Newton County Sheriff Ken Copeland informed the media at 3 p.m., Thursday, that Ford has not been found.

http://www.neoshodailynews.com/articles/2007/11/08/breaking_news/01update.txt

bnhall
11-08-2007, 10:22 PM
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2007/11/where-is-rowa-1.html

Another article with a pic of her mom. Very sad.

And an interview with the stepdad.
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/11100216.html

reb
11-09-2007, 01:38 AM
Wow........ I was thinking the same as everyone... he was sexually abusing her and killed her, obviously... but then after seeing that short interview,, he really does seem sincere.. not like a monster.... so, either he is telling the truth and someone else (a neighbor?) went in the house and took her,, OR.... the guy has some kind of split personality... possibly brought on by alcohol.
So... has he explained WHY he asked his mother to lend him a car in the middle of the night and where they went? You mean to tell me, they really can't 'remember'...?? Surely that can't be true.

He seems like he really loved her (judging by his demeanor and his tears)... but if you really care about a child, why in the hell would you leave them alone to go drinking, and on top of that,, LEAVE THE DOOR UNLOCKED....???

KansasCutie
11-09-2007, 02:07 AM
ok after watching that video i feel like he didnt do it anymore...but then again im a really gullible person. Gosh i hope shes found safe, shes so adorable!! :(

ceeaura
11-09-2007, 08:46 AM
After watching the video I kept thinking of Susans Smith tears ect during her interviews.Don't know if he is guilty or not but his story is not adding up with me and if true he left her there all alone with an unlocked door in the middle of the night :banghead: .

It concerns me that he is out searching for her just him and his friend.They could move her or contaminate the area when she is found and any evidence they find of him being there would be a defense lawyers dream.


*sigh* I am so cynical :doh:

Kymistry35
11-09-2007, 09:09 AM
He still doesn't have me convinced. Evil people get away with stuff because they are able to blend in and look innocent. I think he either did it, or one of his buddies did and he helped hide the body. I pray that they find her soon.

mrs.kravitz
11-09-2007, 10:31 AM
I saw his interview and he seems sincere, but that doesn't explain the 5 1/2 hour absence. I agree that this poor child was so poorly supervised all of the time and left alone in an unlocked house, I can easily see how someone could have been watching her and waiting for such an opportunity. If David could just explain where he was that night. Maybe he's having an affair and doesn't want his wife to know.

Jen_in_Indy
11-09-2007, 12:51 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/14549471/detail.html

A 9-year-old southwest Missouri girl missing for a week was found dead Friday in a sinkhole in eastern McDonald County, a law enforcement official said.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because authorities had not yet made an official announcement, said the body of Rowan Ford was found on private land near Powell, about 10 miles south of the girl's hometown of Stella, a village of about 200 people.

colomom
11-09-2007, 01:01 PM
God bless you Rowan, this should never have happened to you.

The world is a very dark place today.....

http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/basic/tears.gif

Squishified
11-09-2007, 01:02 PM
Oh, NO!!!! :( :( :(

ceeaura
11-09-2007, 01:09 PM
Oh no.This is so very sad.I am glad they found her though.Now to find out how she got there and by whom.

Kymistry35
11-09-2007, 01:47 PM
God bless that little angel.

KansasCutie
11-09-2007, 02:38 PM
Ohh no that just made me so sad...(i really should stop coming on this site when i wake up...ruins my whole day!) even though i knew it wasnt going to end good...just seeing the words makes it soo sad!!

SheWhoMustNotBeNamed
11-09-2007, 03:27 PM
Horrible news. The outlook for this one never did look good, but you still hate to hear this. There is always hope. May she rest in peace, and whoever did this to her be brought to justice.

Tristen07
11-09-2007, 03:28 PM
Ohhhh!!! :(:(:(
Is there any chance she fell in the sinkhole??

SewingDeb
11-09-2007, 04:13 PM
This is awful!

GlitchWizard
11-09-2007, 04:22 PM
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_GIRL?SITE=FLTAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

This little one was missing in Montana for a week and there is one paragraph in there that leads me to think that this wasn't a stranger abduction. He borrowed a car for 5 and 1/2 hours at one in the morning and can't account for his whereabouts... the night the girl went missing.

NewMommy09
11-09-2007, 04:35 PM
ok after watching that video i feel like he didnt do it anymore...but then again im a really gullible person. Gosh i hope shes found safe, shes so adorable!! :(


Did anyone else notice that he talked of Rowan both in past tense and then later in present tense?
Also, his tears could very well be real and heartfelt, but perhaps more for himself than for Rowan???

JMO

Tristen07
11-09-2007, 05:13 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3843172&page=1

I think he killed her. It was says they identified her by her clothes...

Why wasn't she in pj's?
Also this article says he was gone until 7am, YET he says she might have woken him up in the middle of the night to ask to go to her friends. WHEN??
He was gone all night! :banghead::banghead::banghead:

SeriouslySearching
11-09-2007, 05:38 PM
http://www.kmbc.com/news/14549471/detail.html

A 9-year-old southwest Missouri girl missing for a week was found dead Friday in a sinkhole in eastern McDonald County, a law enforcement official said.

The source, who spoke on condition of anonymity because authorities had not yet made an official announcement, said the body of Rowan Ford was found on private land near Powell, about 10 miles south of the girl's hometown of Stella, a village of about 200 people.No nine year old is going to walk ten miles either in the middle of the night or first thing in the morning then jump into a sinkhole! This is a homicide and the story will start unraveling soon. I bet the stepfather's mom's car tire tracks will be crucial in this one.

Maxine
11-09-2007, 05:59 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21708153/

I am not buying step dad's story for nary a second.

MagicRose99
11-09-2007, 06:01 PM
There is already a thread on this here: http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55797

Maxine
11-09-2007, 06:10 PM
Sorry...I didn't see it. I apologize.:doh:

colomom
11-09-2007, 06:13 PM
Did anyone else notice that he talked of Rowan both in past tense and then later in present tense?
Also, his tears could very well be real and heartfelt, but perhaps more for himself than for Rowan???

JMO

Absolutely, I was going to post that myself!! Anyone know when that interview was filmed? Why would he refer to her in the past tense if it was filmed before the discovery of her body? Why, indeed...

englishleigh
11-09-2007, 06:19 PM
I bet he was drinking and wanted to go out with his friends and Rowan didn't want him to leave her alone and they got into an argument and he hit her too hard or something....just awful. Stepdad sounds like a real winner. Poor little Rowan. :*(

Reannan
11-09-2007, 06:33 PM
Stick a fork in him....this guy is done. He is lying out of his mouth and his butt. Rowan "may have woke up in the night and asked him to take her to a friend's house", but he doesn't remember? His "mother" who drove over in the middle of the night to loan him the car never checked on the little girl? WTF to both of these two idiots. Do they think WE are stupid? I got to give him props, however, for the interview and the crying he did. He really looks upset. The only possible way that I can think of for him to have NOT been involved, would be for it to have been one of the "friends" he left with. I guess I can see a scenario where he and two "friends" leave to go drink (and do drugs IMO), and one of them splits off early. Upon returning to the house, he DID check on the little girl, and she is gone. Perhaps due to what was said by one of the friends, or what he saw upon returning home, he thinks that this "friend" has taken the little girl. He then calls his mother and borrows her car to go hunt the friend down. Naaahhhh.......too complicated - he did it. :banghead: :furious:

hoppyfrog
11-09-2007, 06:39 PM
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/11154166.html

A 9-year-old Missouri girl who has been missing for nearly a week was found dead Friday in a sinkhole on private land about 10 miles from the girl's home.
The girl’s stepfather told authorities he last saw her on Nov. 2 before he went out with friends.
He said he returned home around midnight and called his mother to ask to use her car.
She dropped the car off and then he left for another five and a half hours.
His mother says she didn’t check on Rowan during that time.
The girl's mother returned from her night shift early Saturday and found the girl missing.
She was reported missing Saturday evening.

hoppyfrog
11-09-2007, 06:43 PM
http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/11154166.html

A 9-year-old Missouri girl who has been missing for nearly a week was found dead Friday in a sinkhole on private land about 10 miles from the girl's home.
The girl’s stepfather told authorities he last saw her on Nov. 2 before he went out with friends.
He said he returned home around midnight and called his mother to ask to use her car.
She dropped the car off and then he left for another five and a half hours.
His mother says she didn’t check on Rowan during that time.
The girl's mother returned from her night shift early Saturday and found the girl missing.
She was reported missing Saturday evening.

hoppyfrog
11-09-2007, 06:51 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3843172&page=1

"The body was discovered about 8 o'clock this morning by a deputy in McDonald County," Jeff Lanza, a spokesman for the FBI's Kansas City field office, confirmed to ABC News.

The determination was made based on the girl's clothing, Lanza said, adding that authorities had been planning to search the area where the body was found today.

"I was told it was a cave," Lanza said, describing the area where the deputy found the body, private land about 10 miles south of the girl's hometown of Stella, Mo.

The case is being investigated as a homicide, but Lanza declined to provide additional details, such as how the girl died and whether suspects have been named.

and

"The stepfather [David Spears] was uncooperative with us," Copeland said, adding that Spears has refused to speak with police anymore until he consults with an attorney.

more at link

hoppyfrog
11-09-2007, 06:52 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3843172&page=1

"The body was discovered about 8 o'clock this morning by a deputy in McDonald County," Jeff Lanza, a spokesman for the FBI's Kansas City field office, confirmed to ABC News.

The determination was made based on the girl's clothing, Lanza said, adding that authorities had been planning to search the area where the body was found today.

"I was told it was a cave," Lanza said, describing the area where the deputy found the body, private land about 10 miles south of the girl's hometown of Stella, Mo.

The case is being investigated as a homicide, but Lanza declined to provide additional details, such as how the girl died and whether suspects have been named.

and

"The stepfather [David Spears] was uncooperative with us," Copeland said, adding that Spears has refused to speak with police anymore until he consults with an attorney.

more at link

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 09:33 PM
They've arrested a suspect
news conference at 8pm

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_313202924.html

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 09:37 PM
Found mom's myspace because I'm nosy like that.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=236309969

David the stepdad is on there too it looks like. He's 24??!?!!?!?!?!?!?

I wonder if he was the suspect that they arrested.

This whole case makes me angry.

www.joplinglobe.com (http://www.joplinglobe.com) has been posting minute by minute updates all day... from the time they have removed the body from the site, ect. :-(

FBI did polygraphs of ALL people who were at the house - mom, stepdad, the two friends dad went out with, and the grandma. They did not say who did or did not pass though. But they did take them.

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 09:53 PM
Found mom's myspace because I'm nosy like that.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ID=236 309969 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=236309969)

David the stepdad is on there too it looks like. He's 24??!?!!?!?!?!?!?

I wonder if he was the suspect that they arrested.

This whole case makes me angry.

www.joplinglobe.com (http://www.joplinglobe.com/) has been posting minute by minute updates all day... from the time they have removed the body from the site, ect. :-(

FBI did polygraphs of ALL people who were at the house - mom, stepdad, the two friends dad went out with, and the grandma. They did not say who did or did not pass though. But they did take them.

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 09:54 PM
They've arrested a suspect
news conference at 8pm

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/loc...313202924.html

More local links. Very heart wrenching...
http://www.koamtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7336096

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 09:59 PM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_313202924.html

Check this out:
quote from the grandma -
David Spears, Ford’s stepfather, does have several friends from Wheaton whom he met the night of Ford’s disappearance, his mother, Myrna Spears, said in a phone interview this evening.
“I am hoping it is not who I think it is,” she said of the man, who she confirmed “was there that night.”
A news conference has been scheduled for 8 p.m. today.

Alice253
11-09-2007, 10:46 PM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/neosho_newton_mcdonald%20county/local_story_313214050.html?keyword=secondarystory

One man has been arrested in Barry County and another is in custody at the Newton County Sheriff’s Department — both expected to be charged in Barry County with the murder of 9-year-old Rowan Ford, of Stella.

snip...

He would not discuss whether either of the men under arrest is David Spears, Rowan Ford’s stepfather.

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 10:52 PM
No word on if one of them is the stepfather. I'll update if I see something on local newscast tonight. Looks like the grandma is flappin her jaws.

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 11:03 PM
David Spears is still at the police station according to local news - his mother has stated to local reporters she has not heard from him since he went there for questioning this afternoon. The arrest of the second suspect occured about an hour ago.
The names of the suspects will not be announced until tomorrow.

reb
11-09-2007, 11:06 PM
OK I take back what I said about the stepfather.... the events only point to one obvious thing. He is crying croc tears because he obviously knows he did something bad.... maybe he blacked out and doesn't remember... maybe he did love Rowan as his own but now he's horrified at what he's done and he's scared he's gonna get caught.

I do think this is a case of alcoholic blackout-induced split personality.

Long-term sexual abuse??? possibly... no-- make that probably. In fact.. knowing how much younger he is (than his wife)... I wonder if he didn't marry her in order to be able to get to the girl.
When I look at her face in that picture,, her smile looks very forced and she looks very sad.

What's up with the mother?? Apparently, she is retarded....?? OK, yes.. I'll come over and give my blazing DRUNK son my car for 4 hours in the middle of the night, and I'll sit here like an idiot for 4 hours but not check on my sleeping granddaughter.

WTF...........................?!?!

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 11:08 PM
http://www.koamtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=7339249

Affliate news.

I believe that the dad is listed on the Mom's myspace as David as 24 years old. This article says that one being held is 24 years old. HUM. I bet it is him. LOSER.

pedinurse
11-09-2007, 11:23 PM
http://blogs.kansascity.com/crime_scene/2007/11/where-is-rowa-1.html

Another article with a pic of her mom. Very sad.

And an interview with the stepdad.
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/11100216.html

I totally think they arrested him. And knowing she is dead now makes me see this totally fake interview... and what he said... in a different light. Gives me the willies.

Reannan
11-10-2007, 12:10 AM
Pedinurse, thanks for the link to that Myspace of little Rowan's Mom. Poor little girl. Looks like she had to live her short life with a bunch of idiotic stoners. I would be willing to bet you that the guy from Wheaton County who is arrested is the "Chris" guy on Mom's Myspace. The picture on his Myspace is of him sitting on what appears to be a slide at a playground somewhere. The last day he logged on was 11/2/07 - the day Rowan went missing. Why, why, why, why......!!!!!

dark_shadows
11-10-2007, 12:40 AM
Two men arrested click here for link (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071110/ap_on_re_us/missing_girl) (updated a few minutes ago)




Respectfully,
dark_shadows

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 12:41 AM
Pedinurse, thanks for the link to that Myspace of little Rowan's Mom. Poor little girl. Looks like she had to live her short life with a bunch of idiotic stoners. I would be willing to bet you that the guy from Wheaton County who is arrested is the "Chris" guy on Mom's Myspace. The picture on his Myspace is of him sitting on what appears to be a slide at a playground somewhere. The last day he logged on was 11/2/07 - the day Rowan went missing. Why, why, why, why......!!!!!

Nothin like a skeleton holding a bunch of screaming heads with a pokey thing (scythe?) as your background to make you look suspicous in the murder of a small child....

Reannan
11-10-2007, 12:51 AM
Nothin like a skeleton holding a bunch of screaming heads with a pokey thing (scythe?) as your background to make you look suspicous in the murder of a small child....

Funny you would say that. I was actually thinking as I looked at the MySpace account about his music choice and background. Pretty much shares a lot of the same interest I do!!! (I like heavy metal, among other forms of music - including classical). I don't live my life stoned for 23 hours of the day and bragging about being stoned the other hour, however. I am always hesitant to judge someone by their MySpace account, which is sort of silly, because it is usually one of the first things I look at in criminal investigations. Viewed in terms of the pages of the friends, the pictures that are posted, and the comments, you can usually get a pretty good feel for the person. I don't find a lot of redeeming qualities in these people. I am going to bet there was something going on that night besides a dime bag of weed being smoked. I am going to bet that methamphetamines were involved.

philamena
11-10-2007, 12:52 AM
If you click on other pics on that myspace page they go to other pages of supernatural believers.

Wonder if they really believe in ghost?

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 12:57 AM
I bet he was drinking and wanted to go out with his friends and Rowan didn't want him to leave her alone and they got into an argument and he hit her too hard or something....just awful. Stepdad sounds like a real winner. Poor little Rowan. :*(
And then I think that friend took HIS car, so he called his mom to bring her car and he took that car and they met up. Three counties are where the crimes were involved.... kidnapping in one. the murder in one. the body was found in another. :(

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 01:00 AM
I was going to post earlier that i thought that meth was involved too.

raisincharlie
11-10-2007, 01:24 AM
I totally think they arrested him. And knowing she is dead now makes me see this totally fake interview... and what he said... in a different light. Gives me the willies.


Arrested - Chris Collins and David Spears - both are currently at the Barry County jail. Charges will be filed tomorrow. Barry County Sheriff's have released the names of both on their website.

numbernine
11-10-2007, 02:28 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071110/ap_on_re_us/missing_girl

It's been updated. He was arrested. How horrific.

Elphaba
11-10-2007, 02:47 AM
I was just reading the comments on the Joplin page and one really jumps out: a mother said that her 2 sons are afraid to go bed, now, because they are afraid of being taken. One of her sons is in Rowan's class... so I hope LE sends a counselor to the school to talk with her classmates... poor little angels must be terrified. :(

reb
11-10-2007, 03:04 AM
no surpise here.. but he really did fool me with those very sincere-looking tears.... i guess he was shocked at what he did and felt he had to lie because the truth was too terrible to believe......

RIP little sweetie. :(

PrayersForMaura
11-10-2007, 04:52 AM
Found mom's myspace because I'm nosy like that.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ID=236 309969 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=236309969)

David the stepdad is on there too it looks like. He's 24??!?!!?!?!?!?!?

.

Cute posts on there from one of her daughers. :(

CaliKid
11-10-2007, 05:49 AM
I was afraid of this. The stepfather was definitely a suspect IMO, especially asking to borrow his mother's car in the middle of the night. I hope we don't learn she was sexually abused, but I'd bet she was. Poor little girl.

CaliKid
11-10-2007, 05:50 AM
Scumbags!

Reannan
11-10-2007, 09:26 AM
Some people say that things are not really getting worse. Some people say this stuff used to happen just as often years ago, but it just gets reported more frequently now. I don't believe that. I think things have definitely gotten worse. Here we have a situation where TWO adult men MURDERED a defenseless little NINE YEAR old girl. This would have been unimaginable when I was a little girl. I used to ride my bike to town all by myself and play on vacant lots, around the old buildings, pretty much everywhere. There really wasn't anyplace that I was supposed to avoid due to safety issues. I would NEVER let my children do the things I did.....I practically don't let them out of my sight. The other thing that has changed is the public's reaction over these sort of events. WE, i.e the people who read and post here at WS's are acutely aware of how horrible this is, and we are ANGRY.:furious: I fear that there are many more people in society who will read the headline about "Two Men Arrested in Murder of Nine Year Old Girl", and they will just skip right on over it. People seem to have grown accustomed to this news.....maybe not accepting of it, but at they are at least expectant that "these things just happen". How do we stop it?

believe09
11-10-2007, 09:49 AM
What possesses an adult to focus so much rage at a child? It is mind boggling...And imagine Spear's mom-knowing her son transported the body of a child (at the minimum) in her car for the 5 hours she sat there in the house supposedly babysitting...Bless the detective who recalled the cavern and the sinkhole and decided to check it out on his way to work. At least Rowan can be given back to her mother now...

I found 4-5 Christopher Collins listed as sex offenders on the Family Watchdog website...It will be curious to see how this unfolds and if this was the person Spear's mom had misgivings about...

IdahoMom
11-10-2007, 10:05 AM
Reannan-

I agree- things are worse now than before and I think that people pay less attention to the news than in years past. Our prisons are more crowded than ever, and we're seeing strange sentences because of that.

I don't know how we solve the problem, but I wish I did! The world is such an unsafe place for kids.

eta: actually the world is unsafe PERIOD. As soon as I typed that the world is unsafe for kids, Dru Sjodin and Kelsey Smith came to mind! :(

twinkiesmom
11-10-2007, 10:30 AM
I may be wrong, but I could swear that I heard one of the sheets was missing as well as the girl herself....If so, I really doubt this was a rage-based crime.

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 10:35 AM
I may be wrong, but I could swear that I heard one of the sheets was missing as well as the girl herself....If so, I really doubt this was a rage-based crime.

Yes, a pink sheet was missing with the girl.
I bet it was a sex assult. Well find out with the autopsy. And I bet that stepdad was involved. I wonder if this as an ongoing thing. I wonder how the buddy got involved though.

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 10:38 AM
It makes you just sick, doesn't it.
RE: the stepdad's tears... maybe it is because I saw the interview late, but Reb, I thought they looked fake. He had the crazy eyes going on. Like he was trying to read the interviewer to see what he needed to do next or say next. Some of the thing he was saying too were like... why were you bring THAT up now... like sending her to her room? Like about if you were a bad guy she wouldn't like you and she would "stay away" from you (I am remembering this on the fly, so those may not be exact quotes, but that is the jist of what I remember from being just getting ready to go to bed before I saw it)? Hum.
Usually people in this situation would have been talking about getting the child back, how much they are missed, their happy go lucky personality, how they have friends at school, how they have medical needs or they like to have a routine at night, and almost always say PLEASE BRING HER BACK in a plea to the abductor. I don't think I saw him say that at all in ANY of his interviews. That's my inexperienced, unprofessional synoposis.
But I tend to be a good people reader. I always have been.

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 10:58 AM
Pedinurse, thanks for the link to that Myspace of little Rowan's Mom. Poor little girl. Looks like she had to live her short life with a bunch of idiotic stoners. I would be willing to bet you that the guy from Wheaton County who is arrested is the "Chris" guy on Mom's Myspace. The picture on his Myspace is of him sitting on what appears to be a slide at a playground somewhere. The last day he logged on was 11/2/07 - the day Rowan went missing. Why, why, why, why......!!!!!

They are reporting on the other thread that a Chris Collins has been arrested in connection with murder. So you were spot on.

Link to the myspace of the Chris from Wheaton, MO - who has been referenced in MULTIPLE news reports. Linked to the mom's myspace too. We're thinking this is the guy who was arrested in connection with the murder.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74281145
Creepy dude sitting on a slide...
We need to get these two threads merged.

raisincharlie
11-10-2007, 11:21 AM
A bit of information in this artcle outside of confirming who was arrested:

http://www.joplinglobe.com/homepage/local_story_313235520.html?keyword=leadpicturestor y

"He said when one of the friends dropped him back off at the house around midnight, he did not check on her again before going to sleep.
Spears did not initially tell investigators that he left the house a second time around 1:30 a.m. after calling his mother and asking to borrow her vehicle. He was gone for 5 1/2 hours in the mother’s Chevrolet Suburban, returning about 7 a.m. Myrna Spears reportedly watched television in her son’s living room and never checked on the girl during that time."




Perhaps I'm crazy but WTH is wrong with this woman ?

believe09
11-10-2007, 11:21 AM
They are reporting on the other thread that a Chris Collins has been arrested in connection with murder. So you were spot on.

Link to the myspace of the Chris from Wheaton, MO - who has been referenced in MULTIPLE news reports. Linked to the mom's myspace too. We're thinking this is the guy who was arrested in connection with the murder.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74281145
Creepy dude sitting on a slide...
We need to get these two threads merged.

Just as an FYI, there is a Christopher Earl Collins listed as a SO on the Family Watchdog website. With the exception of weight, he appears a good match for the person shown on the myspace you posted...there is not a photo of him in the registry but he served time for sexual assault on a child under 12 and lewd behavior.

STEADFAST
11-10-2007, 11:30 AM
..Bless the detective who recalled the cavern and the sinkhole and decided to check it out on his way to work. At least Rowan can be given back to her mother now...



I'm very impressed that these officers found Rowan, too! McDonald County is practically all woods and there are caves and caverns everywhere. I bet the perps never expected her to be found, with all the evidence her body will provide. There's a drug element in McDonald County that is very violent and scary; it's good to know their police force is so clever and knowledgeable.
:woohoo:

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 11:32 AM
On the other thread we have the myspaces up of the other one who was arrested.
I have NO clue why the mother of Spears continues to defend him. None. He told her that he needed that five hour drive to clear his head. And she just drove over, gave him her car, sat up and watched TV in his living room (without checking on the little girl) for FIVE hours in the middle of the night without a second thought? AND THE WHOLE POINT OF THE VISIT WAS NOT TO BABY SIT BUT TO GIVE HIM THE CAR! THEY WOULD HAVE CONTINUED TO LEAVE HER THERE ALONE OTHERWISE!! WTF? This is a normal occurance?

rccook555
11-10-2007, 11:36 AM
Found mom's myspace because I'm nosy like that.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ID=236 309969 (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=236309969)

David the stepdad is on there too it looks like. He's 24??!?!!?!?!?!?!?

I wonder if he was the suspect that they arrested.

This whole case makes me angry.

www.joplinglobe.com (http://www.joplinglobe.com/) has been posting minute by minute updates all day... from the time they have removed the body from the site, ect. :-(

FBI did polygraphs of ALL people who were at the house - mom, stepdad, the two friends dad went out with, and the grandma. They did not say who did or did not pass though. But they did take them.

Chris Collins the second suspect also has a myspace page. You can find his under Collens friends.

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 11:40 AM
I'm very impressed that these officers found Rowan, too! McDonald County is practically all woods and there are caves and caverns everywhere. I bet the perps never expected her to be found, with all the evidence her body will provide. There's a drug element in McDonald County that is very violent and scary; it's good to know their police force is so clever and knowledgeable.
:woohoo:

I swear to God every time I drive into Mac county I hear the banjos start dueling. Anyway, seems there are some local people on the thread... hi!

I am very impressed as well. Some people have taken pot shots at the local LE, saying that is why the FBI was called in, but that is common with child abductions (that the FBI was called in). Apparently the 50 plus of them have been in town for the past week. That is common in these cases. Local LE is inexperienced in child abductions, and I am sure they would be the first to admit that. But I think that prosecutions are going to be handled locally. At least that is what is being reported by local media.

It is thick down there (wooded) with small communities. Caves and sink holes are common. Like some of the articles are saying, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the perps to have gotten her down there unless they were EXTREMELY familiar with the area. Especially at night.
God bless the police officers who battle that drug problem down there and the social workers who have to deal with the issues down there also. Mac county has issues.

pedinurse
11-10-2007, 11:41 AM
Chris Collins the second suspect also has a myspace page. You can find his under Collens friends.
yup he's the creepy dude on the slide. JERK!

golfmom
11-10-2007, 01:08 PM
yup he's the creepy dude on the slide. JERK!

NASTY! :eek:

raisincharlie
11-10-2007, 02:14 PM
I swear to God every time I drive into Mac county I hear the banjos start dueling. Anyway, seems there are some local people on the thread... hi!

I am very impressed as well. Some people have taken pot shots at the local LE, saying that is why the FBI was called in, but that is common with child abductions (that the FBI was called in). Apparently the 50 plus of them have been in town for the past week. That is common in these cases. Local LE is inexperienced in child abductions, and I am sure they would be the first to admit that. But I think that prosecutions are going to be handled locally. At least that is what is being reported by local media.

It is thick down there (wooded) with small communities. Caves and sink holes are common. Like some of the articles are saying, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for the perps to have gotten her down there unless they were EXTREMELY familiar with the area. Especially at night.
God bless the police officers who battle that drug problem down there and the social workers who have to deal with the issues down there also. Mac county has issues.

Lots of teens on the eastern part of McDonald County know about that area - use to be a hang out area for teens for several years. Most of them know about that sinkhole - there is a large cave at the bottom. Bet it gets filled in now.

englishleigh
11-10-2007, 03:03 PM
This really is, as someone said, incredibly reminiscent of the Evelyn Miller case. :(

raisincharlie
11-10-2007, 03:36 PM
Just got word folks - both Spears and Collins have been charged with rape, and murder in Barry County. Kidnapping will be filed in Newton County.

Will get a link as soon as it comes up.

Trino
11-10-2007, 04:00 PM
This is just absolutely sick, that two men would rape a 9 year old child. And, while I understand some May-December marriages work, 24 is 20 years younger than the mother's age. What was she thinking? Was she raising another child? How long had they been married?

I'm sorry, but, lady, you've got a child. She should have come first in your life.

golfmom
11-10-2007, 04:01 PM
Just got word folks - both Spears and Collins have been charged with rape, and murder in Barry County. Kidnapping will be filed in Newton County.

Will get a link as soon as it comes up.

Thanks for the update ... I was so hoping not to hear the R word ...

golfmom
11-10-2007, 04:05 PM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3848168&page=1

Prosecutors in Missouri filed rape and murder charges against two suspects in the disappearance and death of a 9-year-old girl -- including the child's stepfather.

raisincharlie
11-10-2007, 04:37 PM
This is just absolutely sick, that two men would rape a 9 year old child. And, while I understand some May-December marriages work, 24 is 20 years younger than the mother's age. What was she thinking? Was she raising another child? How long had they been married?

I'm sorry, but, lady, you've got a child. She should have come first in your life.

Colleen Spears has been with the step Dad for 5 years - I don't think I'm ready to throw her under the bus because of age, nor for having to work on a job that required her to be away at night. Yes she has another daughter who is over 18, but not living in that home.

Perhaps the mother that belongs under the bus is the one who thought nothing of loaning her son a vehicle at 130 am so he could "clear his head" and who sat in that house for 5.5 hours and never checked on that little girl - if we are going to throw innocents under the bus.

Taximom
11-10-2007, 04:44 PM
This is one case where I wouldn't mind beheading and burning. :mad:

raisincharlie
11-10-2007, 05:00 PM
This is one case where I wouldn't mind beheading and burning. :mad:

Tie them to the stake and get it over with :p

I agree

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5288604.html

Step daddy is full of stuff ...

golfmom
11-10-2007, 05:47 PM
Myrna Spears told The Associated Press Saturday that her son admitted to her from jail Friday night that he had taken part in the crime. He claimed to have suffered a blackout and his memories of that night started coming back to him on Friday, she said.

:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

What a load of $HIT. During his blackout he was able to call his mommy to get her vehicle -- without arising her suspicion so that she wouldn't check on Rowan -- manage a trapsing around THREE counties, raping, murdering and hiding a little girl and he FORGOT! Whatever :razz:

Trino
11-10-2007, 07:56 PM
[QUOTE=raisincharlie;1785776]Colleen Spears has been with the step Dad for 5 years - I don't think I'm ready to throw her under the bus because of age, nor for having to work on a job that required her to be away at night. Yes she has another daughter who is over 18, but not living in that home./QUOTE]

The reality is that he was 19 years old when they met/married. She was 39. He was certainly not what I would consider an adult worthy of becoming a step-dad.

Samiya
11-10-2007, 08:41 PM
Excerpt from Probable Cause Affidavit.

Warning: Graphic.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/11173121.html

They need to be flailed. SLOWLY.

I'd be happy to give two public demonstrations! I'd be worth the airfares.

Sami

Sami

Taximom
11-10-2007, 08:45 PM
:( :sick: :mad:

I have no words after reading that except this can't be their first time. Surely there are other victims, and I bet sweet Rowan had been abused before.

These two definitely need to suffer.

believe09
11-10-2007, 09:39 PM
Fortunately they appear to be sparing everyone the expense of a trial by confessing-Mr. Spears mom should be so proud of her son and the role she played unwittingly(?) in this...what incredible deviance.

KatK
11-10-2007, 10:18 PM
Here (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MISSING_GIRL?SITE=FLTAL&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT) is the article I am posting an excerpt to, the quoted part *kills* me, no mother should have to go through that. :furious: :( :( :(



Bill Alsop, the village mayor, said Colleen Spears was too upset to speak with reporters.
"She's numb," Alsop said. "She's trying to keep herself busy. She's in there right now on the sewing machine, sewing something for her baby's funeral."

coastallady
11-10-2007, 10:44 PM
Excerpt from Probable Cause Affidavit.

Warning: Graphic.

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/11173121.html

They need to be flailed. SLOWLY.

I'd be happy to give two public demonstrations! I'd be worth the airfares.

Sami

Sami
The above article does not say how Rowan got to Collings trailer. According to Spears when he arrives at the trailer Collings is already molesting the child. I think there is more to the story than what is being told.

STEADFAST
11-10-2007, 10:55 PM
The above article does not say how Rowan got to Collings trailer. According to Spears when he arrives at the trailer Collings is already molesting the child. I think there is more to the story than what is being told.

I don't understand either. At what point did Spears get his mom's car? Did he maybe allow Collins to take Rowan away to molest her and then decided to participate later, so he got his mom's car? Or did he go get his mom's car to hide Rowan? Or did he borrow his mom's car to take Rowan to Collins' trailer? I'm confused.

Opie
11-10-2007, 11:03 PM
This whole thing is very ugly and only gets uglier as we learn more. What a creep! Also his so-called friend. As for his mother...better not even say what I think of her.

gitana1
11-11-2007, 12:31 AM
Someone on here asked how we can stop this kind of thing from happening. One way to at least prevent some of these crimes is to teach all the mothers out there that they absolutely must protect their babies from "step-fathers". Boyfriends, step-dads, they are very dangerous to young children. I know. Not all. But the statistics I have read over the years bear out that children are at much greater risk for abuse and murder from unrelated male partners of their mothers than from any stranger on the street. In the animal world, new mates will often kill the offspring of the mother so they can free the nursing mother for a new pregnancy and disseminate their own gene pool. This tendency translates to humans. It does not explain the rape part. None of us understand what attraction there can be towards a little child. It sickening. But, mothers need to start realizing the threat to their children's wellbeing from their partners. When are they going to learn?? The need to have a man in one's life simply must not supercede the need to protect one's child. I'm sick of it. The financial or emotional gain of having a mate is not worth the risk. At the least, these mom's need to NEVER, EVER, EVER LEAVE THEIR CHILD ALONE WITH THE "BOYFRIEND". I have had enough. My heart is broken.

Taximom
11-11-2007, 12:35 AM
Great post, gitana1. Welcome to WS!

hoppyfrog
11-11-2007, 12:37 AM
Great post, gitana1. Welcome to WS!

What Taximom said. Times ten.

Hoppy

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 12:58 AM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3848168&page=1

Prosecutors in Missouri filed rape and murder charges against two suspects in the disappearance and death of a 9-year-old girl -- including the child's stepfather.

:banghead: dammit!!!!

philamena
11-11-2007, 01:03 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74281145
Chris Collins myspace page. WARNING.....contains sexual material.

concernedperson
11-11-2007, 01:20 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74281145
Chris Collins myspace page. WARNING.....contains sexual material.

Why would a guy in his 30's have such a nasty myspace fraught with images indicating violence? Oh, I know why he is a rapist and murderer. I think as time goes one these myspaces accounts are going to play a bigger role in apprehending and convicting rapists and murderers as they seem to leave a graphic trail.

Soonerbabie
11-11-2007, 01:32 AM
The above article does not say how Rowan got to Collings trailer. According to Spears when he arrives at the trailer Collings is already molesting the child. I think there is more to the story than what is being told.

Maybe he is trying to cover up for his Mom knowing anything?

raisincharlie
11-11-2007, 01:52 AM
[quote=raisincharlie;1785776]Colleen Spears has been with the step Dad for 5 years - I don't think I'm ready to throw her under the bus because of age, nor for having to work on a job that required her to be away at night. Yes she has another daughter who is over 18, but not living in that home./QUOTE]

The reality is that he was 19 years old when they met/married. She was 39. He was certainly not what I would consider an adult worthy of becoming a step-dad.

While I agree - I still don't find it reason to speak so harshly of a woman who has just lost a child in the most heinous fashion either. People make mistakes, they mess up - eveyone does. Study on the guilt she must feel for this happening, if you think she feels none you are greatly mistaken.

Reannan
11-11-2007, 02:14 AM
What I see in Rowan's mother breaks my heart. She is an aging woman who thought she had found a new soul-mate in life....but he ended up being the devil in disguise. If you look at the Myspace layouts of the main characters in this tragedy, you have essentially a satanic looking layout of "Chris", and the private account of Spears.....complete with his "cool" cowboy persona. Colleen, the mother, has a motif depicting an Indian maiden and wolves. Colleen reminds me of the old movie Billy Jack. In my opinion, she is a woman who loved nature, and probably her family. She had a "F"ing job, which is probably more than you can say for Spears and company! Many predators prey on women like this. They look for older women with younger children....especially women who probably are clueless that there is evil in this world. I don't understand why it took so long for the mother to report little Rowan missing. WTF did they DO all day? I wish I lived close enough to go and visit Spears and Chirs in prison. I would just like to look them in the eye and ask them WHY!!! I don't understand. I don't think any sane person can understand. I also REALLY need to know what kind of drugs were involved so that I can step up the battle against them. I am just sick over this. Probably will have a migraine in the morning. I am tired of crying and grieving over innocent children who have been hurt beyond anything I could ever imagine. I am tired of grieving. I am angry. I want it to stop. I hate evil.

Swannie
11-11-2007, 03:10 AM
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=74281145
Chris Collins myspace page. WARNING.....contains sexual material.

Did anyone notice how it says "horny" as Chris' mood on his MySpace profile? I am just sickened beyond words.

Hello, everyone, I hope this post finds you in good spirits. While this is my first post, I am surely not new to this site. I've been reading for a very long time; however, I just couldn't help myself. I had to post regarding this case since it is so close to where I reside. (One of our beloved got me hooked on this site - Joyce Harrison.)

From the first moment I heard of Rowan's missing to when her so-called step-father was crying on the news, I knew he had played a part in her disappearance. He didn't even help look for her with the search party nor was he staying at the family home after she went missing. ODD!!

Many prayers to Rowan's family and may she find the peace she didn't have in the last moments of her short life.

And, thanks for having me...

Swannie

believe09
11-11-2007, 08:56 AM
Welcome Swannie-I appreciate your heartfelt post. I am a single parent, survivor of a very difficult marriage and scorched earth divorce. I have small children and let me pass along my philosophy regarding companionship...my children are first second and third in my life. I am a big grownup who can manage my feelings and my loneliness when it happens-what is the big rush to bring someone new into your life out of desperation? There is no one that I have spent time with that I have even mentioned to my children, much less introduced them to. Why confuse them-my adult life is separate from my life as a parent for now and I would rather maintain that until they are teens. Be skeptical and be cautious when it comes to the people who touch your children's lives!!!!!!! You have to keep them safe-it is your responsibility and your job.

Trino
11-11-2007, 10:15 AM
Welcome Swannie-I appreciate your heartfelt post. I am a single parent, survivor of a very difficult marriage and scorched earth divorce. I have small children and let me pass along my philosophy regarding companionship...my children are first second and third in my life. I am a big grownup who can manage my feelings and my loneliness when it happens-what is the big rush to bring someone new into your life out of desperation? There is no one that I have spent time with that I have even mentioned to my children, much less introduced them to. Why confuse them-my adult life is separate from my life as a parent for now and I would rather maintain that until they are teens. Be skeptical and be cautious when it comes to the people who touch your children's lives!!!!!!! You have to keep them safe-it is your responsibility and your job.

Wonderfully said. While I feel much sympathy for the mother, and I don't really want to fix blame, the truth is that a woman needs to separate companionship from responsibility for her children.

Has anyone heard about the biological father?

golfmom
11-11-2007, 10:33 AM
Maybe he is trying to cover up for his Mom knowing anything?

I just can't understand how he was so *messed up* that he blacked out and yet his mother isn't suspicious when he calls her in the middle of the night for her vehicle ... not to watch Rowan, because he's going out ... not to check on her ... but to use her vehicle. COME ON, this lady knows way more than she's revealing.

STEADFAST
11-11-2007, 10:40 AM
I just can't understand how he was so *messed up* that he blacked out and yet his mother isn't suspicious when he calls her in the middle of the night for her vehicle ... not to watch Rowan, because he's going out ... not to check on her ... but to use her vehicle. COME ON, this lady knows way more than she's revealing.

I agree. I think most people would say "no" if their adult son wanted them to bring over a car in the middle of the night and sit up waiting while he drove around to "clear his head." At the least, there would be much suspicion and lots of pointed questions about why such trouble was necessary.

golfmom
11-11-2007, 10:44 AM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_314221543.html

The village of Stella, with a population of fewer than 200 people, is in southern Newton County. David Spears’ mother, Myrna Spears, lives nearby, and said Saturday that she was unsure whether her son could have committed the crime.

“My heart says no, but my brain says anybody is capable of anything,” she said. “Get enough booze in them and there’s no telling what they’ll do, even if it’s totally against their nature.”

Myrna Spears stopped short of saying her son had a problem with alcohol, which authorities have said may have played a role in the murder.

“He’d been off booze for about a year,” she said, but said that her son had started drinking again recently.

MagicRose99
11-11-2007, 10:50 AM
I think his mom is trying to justify what this monster did to herself... and alchohol problem? Uh... yea... that excuses murder...

STEADFAST
11-11-2007, 10:51 AM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_314221543.html



“My heart says no, but my brain says anybody is capable of anything,” she said. “Get enough booze in them and there’s no telling what they’ll do, even if it’s totally against their nature.”

Myrna Spears stopped short of saying her son had a problem with alcohol, which authorities have said may have played a role in the murder.

“He’d been off booze for about a year,” she said, but said that her son had started drinking again recently.

So, is she saying he was drunk when she lent him the car? Surely she doesn't believe that normal people are likely to rape and murder children when they are drunk.

concernedperson
11-11-2007, 11:01 AM
So, is she saying he was drunk when she lent him the car? Surely she doesn't believe that normal people are likely to rape and murder children when they are drunk.

Why would you lend your car to a drunk person? Maybe this woman had some fear herself of him? Maybe he had threatened her before or been abusive before? I don't believe the behavior shows up from 1 night of drinking but a regular occurance. This mom knows more than she is sharing. IMO.

golfmom
11-11-2007, 11:04 AM
Why would you lend your car to a drunk person? Maybe this woman had some fear herself of him? Maybe he had threatened her before or been abusive before? I don't believe the behavior shows up from 1 night of drinking but a regular occurance. This mom knows more than she is sharing. IMO.

My personal opinion, I don't think she was afraid of him as much as she was afraid for him.

"He's my one and only," Myrna Spears said about her son, choking back tears.

Where exactly are the tears for ROWAN?

golfmom
11-11-2007, 11:09 AM
The only consolation I have in this case is that these two SOB's will be given the extraordinary special treatment they deserve once they hit prison.
:behindbar :behindbar :behindbar

Trino
11-11-2007, 11:50 AM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_314221543.html

The village of Stella, with a population of fewer than 200 people, is in southern Newton County. David Spears’ mother, Myrna Spears, lives nearby, and said Saturday that she was unsure whether her son could have committed the crime.

“My heart says no, but my brain says anybody is capable of anything,” she said. “Get enough booze in them and there’s no telling what they’ll do, even if it’s totally against their nature.”

Myrna Spears stopped short of saying her son had a problem with alcohol, which authorities have said may have played a role in the murder.

“He’d been off booze for about a year,” she said, but said that her son had started drinking again recently.

His mother didn't live with him. His wife DID. Surely, Rowan's mother knew of his problem(s), yet she left her child in his care? I DO feel sorry for the mother, but she made questionable decisions.

believe09
11-11-2007, 12:40 PM
Easy for me to quarterback-but if Myrna Spears got a call from her son and he was drunk, wanting to use her car etc...she should have called Rowan's mom rather than covering tracks for her son...it seems clear to me she knew Rowan was not in the house, I think. I suspect she knew that the child had been taken and was expecting her son to bring her back when he requested her vehicle. :(

golfmom
11-11-2007, 12:48 PM
Easy for me to quarterback-but if Myrna Spears got a call from her son and he was drunk, wanting to use her car etc...she should have called Rowan's mom rather than covering tracks for her son...it seems clear to me she knew Rowan was not in the house, I think. I suspect she knew that the child had been taken and was expecting her son to bring her back when he requested her vehicle. :(

That got me to thinkin' ... If she went there to give him the car and not to babysit Rowan ... why didn't he drop her off at home after she gave him the car? Supposedly she lived close by.

Why did she sit there for hours watching TV?

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 01:04 PM
http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_314221543.html

The village of Stella, with a population of fewer than 200 people, is in southern Newton County. David Spears’ mother, Myrna Spears, lives nearby, and said Saturday that she was unsure whether her son could have committed the crime.

“My heart says no, but my brain says anybody is capable of anything,” she said. “Get enough booze in them and there’s no telling what they’ll do, even if it’s totally against their nature.”

Myrna Spears stopped short of saying her son had a problem with alcohol, which authorities have said may have played a role in the murder.

“He’d been off booze for about a year,” she said, but said that her son had started drinking again recently.
I'm sorry, I think that he probably was hooked up with this mom LONG before the night Rowan died because he was abusing her... the drinking did not make him rape or murder her. :behindbar His nature did. I would bet you a hundred bucks that this was going on long before this night. OK, reading that article with the probable cause... did you get that Collins was abusing the girl, then the stepdad came upon it and then participated and then one of them (unclear) murdered her? Was this going on for a while (the abuse with the friend being involved?).
I think that grandma should be charged as an accessory. I think she is trying to cover up.

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 01:07 PM
My personal opinion, I don't think she was afraid of him as much as she was afraid for him.

"He's my one and only," Myrna Spears said about her son, choking back tears.

Where exactly are the tears for ROWAN?

There are none.
If that grandma had just called the police because something bad was going on... maybe, just maybe Rowan would still be alive!!!!
Do we have the DP in Missouri? I hope to god we do!

bnhall
11-11-2007, 01:32 PM
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071111/NEWS01/711110398

Barry County Sheriff Mick Epperly said Collings confessed to authorities Friday. Based in part on Collings' statement, the affidavit Epperly sent to the prosecutor alleges that Collings and Spears took Rowan from her home to a camping trailer where Collings lived in Barry County, about 10 miles east of Stella.

Epperly said a kidnapping charge was expected to be filed in Newton County against Collings but likely not against Spears, because as the girl's stepfather he had legal guardianship.

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 01:51 PM
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071111/NEWS01/711110398

Barry County Sheriff Mick Epperly said Collings confessed to authorities Friday. Based in part on Collings' statement, the affidavit Epperly sent to the prosecutor alleges that Collings and Spears took Rowan from her home to a camping trailer where Collings lived in Barry County, about 10 miles east of Stella.

Epperly said a kidnapping charge was expected to be filed in Newton County against Collings but likely not against Spears, because as the girl's stepfather he had legal guardianship.

See, I don't get THAT either. Can't the mom say that he had NO right to take her from the family home to do that to her? From the article I read that quoted the article, it seemed like maybe Collins took her first - but I couldn't tell... of course, they (LE) have a better grasp of what happened than we do from just the articles we have read.

golfmom
11-11-2007, 02:00 PM
One of the early statements Spears said he walked in on Collins abusing Rowan and joined in.

golfmom
11-11-2007, 02:05 PM
http://www.dreamindemon.com/2007/11/10/david-spears-chris-collings-arrested-in-death-of-rowan-ford/

Photos of Trailer and accused POSs

golfmom
11-11-2007, 02:09 PM
http://bimedia.ftp.clickability.com/kytvwebftp/kytv_RowanFordProbableCause.pdf

PROBABLE CAUSE REPORT

I threw the link up before reading. WARNING VERY GRAPHIC.

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 02:36 PM
i think we need to have a death by public stoning or hanging in MO. i mean, this is ozark and hillbilly country anyway :-)

we could AT LEAST change it for this case.

RPPaolin
11-11-2007, 02:36 PM
That poor little girl. Those men are monsters!

golfmom
11-11-2007, 03:15 PM
Interesting PC states that Collings entered home UNLAWFULLY and took Rowan, never mentioning Spears involvement. BOTH men confess to murdering her.

So did Spears have to call his mommy so he could go play with his friend Collings trailer? Otherwise he didn't have a ride to the party. :sick:

STEADFAST
11-11-2007, 03:25 PM
Interesting PC states that Collings entered home UNLAWFULLY and took Rowan, never mentioning Spears involvement. BOTH men confess to murdering her.

So did Spears have to call his mommy so he could go play with his friend Collings trailer? Otherwise he didn't have a ride to the party. :sick:

I think the PC reflects what the suspects said. Collings must have said he sneaked into Rowan's house, kidnapped her and raped and killed her and disposed of her body in his truck (Was he covering for Spears?). Spears must have said he went over to Collings' trailer where Collings had her somehow and was raping her, raped her, killed her, used his mom's car to hide the body.

It does sound to me like they're leaving out someone else whom they fear.

golfmom
11-11-2007, 03:26 PM
It does sound to me like they're leaving out someone else whom they fear.


I think you're right.

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 04:27 PM
I think the PC reflects what the suspects said. Collings must have said he sneaked into Rowan's house, kidnapped her and raped and killed her and disposed of her body in his truck (Was he covering for Spears?). Spears must have said he went over to Collings' trailer where Collings had her somehow and was raping her, raped her, killed her, used his mom's car to hide the body.

It does sound to me like they're leaving out someone else whom they fear.

That's an interesting theory. And very plausible. I wonder if it would have taken more than the one or two of them to get her down into that sink hole (if they just threw her) or if they tried to lower her in there, hide her... and then crawled out... that would have taken more coordination in the middle of the night, especially if it was remote. That would have taken more people, lights, ect. I think I saw on the news that they actually had to lower people in there to recover the body. :-(
I wonder who this person was - a friend - that grandma was saying was that "she hopes wasn't who LE was talking about" or something like that (I quoted it earlier, an article from the Joplin globe) that was with her son that night. I wonder if it was Collins or someone else. If it was someone else, that lends something to this theory.

STEADFAST
11-11-2007, 04:32 PM
That's an interesting theory. And very plausible. I wonder if it would have taken more than the one or two of them to get her down into that sink hole (if they just threw her) or if they tried to lower her in there, hide her... and then crawled out... that would have taken more coordination in the middle of the night, especially if it was remote. That would have taken more people, lights, ect. I think I saw on the news that they actually had to lower people in there to recover the body. :-(
I wonder who this person was - a friend - that grandma was saying was that "she hopes wasn't who LE was talking about" or something like that (I quoted it earlier, an article from the Joplin globe) that was with her son that night. I wonder if it was Collins or someone else. If it was someone else, that lends something to this theory.

They said her body was "under a ledge" down there, so it seems like someone (or more) would have had to actually go down there to hide her.
I remember that quote you posted. Hope the mom keeps rambling and speculating so we can get an idea of the cast of characters that might be involved.

Indy Gal
11-11-2007, 07:03 PM
Just wanted to add about the "blackout" While I do not have a drinking problem I do have a problem controlling my intake levels. LOL Which is why I dont drink often. I almost always blackout and can tell you honestly you dont remember chit, Even when people tell me the stuff I do. I still dont remember. So I do not for one minute believe he blackedout then started remembering.

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 08:32 PM
Just wanted to add about the "blackout" While I do not have a drinking problem I do have a problem controlling my intake levels. LOL Which is why I dont drink often. I almost always blackout and can tell you honestly you dont remember chit, Even when people tell me the stuff I do. I still dont remember. So I do not for one minute believe he blackedout then started remembering.

He's a total liar. And at like, 400 lbs, how much would you have to drink to black out? Like, a freakin brewery??!?!??!?!?! All the beer in Missouri? Come on!

pedinurse
11-11-2007, 08:35 PM
They said her body was "under a ledge" down there, so it seems like someone (or more) would have had to actually go down there to hide her.
I remember that quote you posted. Hope the mom keeps rambling and speculating so we can get an idea of the cast of characters that might be involved.

I bet the step dad didn't do it alone. He couldn't have gotten back out of that sink hole alone. It might have eaten him up! I don't know how these sink holes are in MO, I haven't been here long enough I guess, but down in OK where I was from... if you got in them, they would sink in on you at times and get you! This one seemed more like a cave / sink hole though... but he was big and it seemed like it was DEEP. I don't think he could have gotten back out!!!

Let's just say he doesn't seem like he's the most physically fit. But I guess the other guy didn't seem like / look like he was either from that mug shot on that link someone posted earlier. EEEWWW.

But I mean if they were having to LOWER guys down in there to get to her little body. :( Poor little thing. What a horrible thing this little one had to go through.

arielilane
11-11-2007, 10:29 PM
Did anyone notice how it says "horny" as Chris' mood on his MySpace profile? I am just sickened beyond words.

Hello, everyone, I hope this post finds you in good spirits. While this is my first post, I am surely not new to this site. I've been reading for a very long time; however, I just couldn't help myself. I had to post regarding this case since it is so close to where I reside. (One of our beloved got me hooked on this site - Joyce Harrison.)

From the first moment I heard of Rowan's missing to when her so-called step-father was crying on the news, I knew he had played a part in her disappearance. He didn't even help look for her with the search party nor was he staying at the family home after she went missing. ODD!!

Many prayers to Rowan's family and may she find the peace she didn't have in the last moments of her short life.

And, thanks for having me...

SwannieGlad to see you posting Swannie. Did you know Tybee when she lived in MO?

Ang50
11-11-2007, 11:48 PM
I bet the step dad didn't do it alone. He couldn't have gotten back out of that sink hole alone. It might have eaten him up! I don't know how these sink holes are in MO, I haven't been here long enough I guess, but down in OK where I was from... if you got in them, they would sink in on you at times and get you! This one seemed more like a cave / sink hole though... but he was big and it seemed like it was DEEP. I don't think he could have gotten back out!!!


If they couldn't get back out, then I've got a better solution than prison. Let's just throw them down the sinkhole and fill it in.

philamena
11-12-2007, 01:50 AM
...... think as time goes one these myspaces accounts are going to play a bigger role in apprehending and convicting rapists and murderers as they seem to leave a graphic trail.

I think so too concernedperson.

philamena
11-12-2007, 01:56 AM
Did anyone notice how it says "horny" as Chris' mood on his MySpace profile? I am just sickened beyond words.
.......
And, thanks for having me...

Swannie

Welcome Swannie.
I noticed Chris's mood....if Chris had a computer, which he most likely did since he has a myspage page. I hope LE confiscates it and takes a good look at everything Chris has looked up on the net.

philamena
11-12-2007, 02:03 AM
i think we need to have a death by public stoning or hanging in MO. i mean, this is ozark and hillbilly country anyway :-)

we could AT LEAST change it for this case.
I agree. These 2 pos's should suffer greatly before dying. :furious::furious::furious:

golfmom
11-12-2007, 04:11 AM
This doesn't sound like much of a blackout to me ...

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_315234942.html?start:int=15

Copeland said Sunday that David Spears has told investigators that he discovered Rowan missing before he called his mother.

“He said he knew Chris (Collings) would have her (Rowan),” Copeland said.

He said Spears has said that after borrowing his mother’s car, he drove to Collings’ travel trailer, where he alleged that he found Collings raping the girl.

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“We had three different cadaver dogs hit on (Myrna Spears’) car,” Copeland said. “We know the body was in there at some point.”

MagicRose99
11-12-2007, 10:12 AM
So, instead of murdering the SOB for taking and raping his step daughter, he decided to join in?!? What a piece of *****!

Trino
11-12-2007, 11:31 AM
Does anyone know what these losers did for a living? Did they actually work?

raisincharlie
11-12-2007, 11:42 AM
Does anyone know what these losers did for a living? Did they actually work?


No actual jobs - not full time, just here and there. Last project was helping to build a barn on a private farm - both of them

believe09
11-12-2007, 12:01 PM
That got me to thinkin' ... If she went there to give him the car and not to babysit Rowan ... why didn't he drop her off at home after she gave him the car? Supposedly she lived close by.

Why did she sit there for hours watching TV?

In case Rowan's mom called, is my guess...

Reannan
11-12-2007, 12:43 PM
I can't remember the last time I personally wanted to hurt someone as bad as I do these two animals. I also can't remember the last time I wanted someone to burn in Hell so bad.

Trino
11-12-2007, 12:45 PM
No actual jobs - not full time, just here and there. Last project was helping to build a barn on a private farm - both of them

So, basically, Rowan's mom was supporting this creep.

KatK
11-12-2007, 12:50 PM
So, basically, Rowan's mom was supporting this creep.

This song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbXPHiyE7uE) applies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K1InOOLEsQ) to him, eh?

raisincharlie
11-12-2007, 01:44 PM
Funeral services for Rowan Ford will be at 2 p.m. Wednesday at Gospel Lighthouse Church in Neosho. Visitation will be from 10 a.m. to 7 p.m. Tuesday at Clark Funeral Home in Neosho, where the family will receive friends from 5 to 7 p.m. A memorial fund has been established. Donations may be made at any Hometown Bank.
Donations may be mailed to ...


Hometown Bank
1285 S Neosho Blvd
PO Box 510
Neosho, Mo 64850
(Please mark such donations as being for the Rowan Ford fund)


Flowers, Cards, etc, may be sent to...
Clark Funeral Homes
312 S Wood Street.
Neosho, Mo.
417-451-2345

Not sure I should post the donation info but if you would like to send a card the info is above. If this is a violation, some one please advise and I will edit if required.

raisincharlie
11-12-2007, 01:46 PM
So, basically, Rowan's mom was supporting this creep.

Spears use to have a job but...

Collings recently returned from Arkansas - his wife and children remain in Arkansas.

raisincharlie
11-12-2007, 02:10 PM
This article isn't worth much but one of the comments attached afterwards is very interesting:

http://neoshodailynews.com/articles/2007/11/11/news/02brother.txt


third comment "ex-collings" - don't know if it is for real but would not surprise me if it is true.

nanandjim
11-12-2007, 02:28 PM
This article isn't worth much but one of the comments attached afterwards is very interesting:

http://neoshodailynews.com/articles/2007/11/11/news/02brother.txt


third comment "ex-collings" - don't know if it is for real but would not surprise me if it is true.
I believe it. These people sound like a pack of animals. If this is an ex-wife, why did he stay with him for nine years allowing him to beat her and her children and now complain that he doesn't see the children? You would think that she would be thankful that he was out of their lives.

Also, from the arrest warrant, it says that David Spears is 5'8" and weighs 370 pounds. :eek:

These guys are not afraid or covering for anyone. They were probably drunk and/or drugged out of their minds. I hope that they get the death sentence.

ETA: I bet that this poor little girl was abused before. How did David Spears instantly know that Rowan was over at Chris' house?? Instead of being enraged, he decides to join in and rape and murder his stepdaughter...What scum...

Swannie
11-12-2007, 02:50 PM
Welcome Swannie-I appreciate your heartfelt post. I am a single parent, survivor of a very difficult marriage and scorched earth divorce. I have small children and let me pass along my philosophy regarding companionship...my children are first second and third in my life. I am a big grownup who can manage my feelings and my loneliness when it happens-what is the big rush to bring someone new into your life out of desperation? There is no one that I have spent time with that I have even mentioned to my children, much less introduced them to. Why confuse them-my adult life is separate from my life as a parent for now and I would rather maintain that until they are teens. Be skeptical and be cautious when it comes to the people who touch your children's lives!!!!!!! You have to keep them safe-it is your responsibility and your job.

Thanks for the welcome, believe09. I appreciate your post as well for it's so true. I've been fortunate. My Mother married my Step-Father when I was 7 yrs old and he was the best father figure I could possibly have. He treated my brother and I as his kids. They remained married until his death 21 years later. Yes, I've been blessed. There are a lot of step-parents (both men and women) who mistreat their spouses children. I wonder why this is? A child is a child, regardless of whose child it is. Common sense has seem to have fallen by the wayside these days. How sad. :(



Glad to see you posting Swannie. Did you know Tybee when she lived in MO?

Yes, arielilane, I did. I met the Harrisons shortly after my fiance and I started dating back in Nov. 2001. We were sad to see Craig and Joyce move to Tybee Island when they did, but looked forward to their visits back to MO.



Welcome Swannie.
I noticed Chris's mood....if Chris had a computer, which he most likely did since he has a myspage page. I hope LE confiscates it and takes a good look at everything Chris has looked up on the net.

Thanks for the welcome, philamena. I wonder if LE will indeed confiscate Chris' computer as well as David's. Surely, one would think so...no? I also wonder if LE even knows he was on MySpace?


Swannie

opme
11-12-2007, 03:38 PM
I cant even fathom the horrific evening that sweet little girl endured at the hands of those beasts.. It brings me to tears thinking of her last moments, the pain and terror she must have been feeling. And knowing she had to look at one of those two animals as she took her last breaths.. there is no justice for this. no child should endure this kind of abuse. Dragging these 2 behind a vehicle across, broken glass, barbed wire, cactus etc until there is no trace of them is not even close to what they should endure for the crimes that they committed against this dear little girl.
Her photos.. she looks so resigned, and sad.. I can only think that they will find this wasnt the first time she was abused. I pray that she is free and finds some peace now. There are so many of these lost little angels now.. its so sad to think of all of those children.. and of all those still enduring such horrors daily.

Squishified
11-12-2007, 04:03 PM
She reminds me a little of Lisa Steinberg :(

arielilane
11-12-2007, 07:31 PM
Yes, arielilane, I did. I met the Harrisons shortly after my fiance and I started dating back in Nov. 2001. We were sad to see Craig and Joyce move to Tybee Island when they did, but looked forward to their visits back to MO.

Swannie Thank you for your reply Swannie.
http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_14_52.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSYYYYYYMSUS)

arielilane
11-12-2007, 07:36 PM
What is Rowan's mother stating in all of this? I'm thinking it's about time these parents start being held accountable for not protecting their children. This case just sends me through the roof...I'm mad as hell...

raisincharlie
11-12-2007, 07:58 PM
I believe it. These people sound like a pack of animals. If this is an ex-wife, why did he stay with him for nine years allowing him to beat her and her children and now complain that he doesn't see the children? You would think that she would be thankful that he was out of their lives.

Also, from the arrest warrant, it says that David Spears is 5'8" and weighs 370 pounds. :eek:

These guys are not afraid or covering for anyone. They were probably drunk and/or drugged out of their minds. I hope that they get the death sentence.

ETA: I bet that this poor little girl was abused before. How did David Spears instantly know that Rowan was over at Chris' house?? Instead of being enraged, he decides to join in and rape and murder his stepdaughter...What scum...

nanandjim.

Good to see you.

As to Spears and Collings - they knew each other well. Collings is reported to have been living with Spears up until 2 months ago...I'd say they had a good understanding of each other.

KansasCutie
11-12-2007, 08:06 PM
What is Rowan's mother stating in all of this? I'm thinking it's about time these parents start being held accountable for not protecting their children. This case just sends me through the roof...I'm mad as hell...

Thats exactly what my mom says. She feels like the mothers should also be punished.

pedinurse
11-12-2007, 08:19 PM
nanandjim.

Good to see you.

As to Spears and Collings - they knew each other well. Collings is reported to have been living with Spears up until 2 months ago...I'd say they had a good understanding of each other.
ok, THAT'S IT GUYS!
my hinky meter has been going off this entire time.

1) why didn't the mom CALL SOMEONE before 6PM? OK, she doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed, but come on. Some might say MAYBE the stepdad might have been abusive, cohersive, a drunk, or whatever, but as a mom - i'm telling you, that for most women - you can do whatever you want to ME, but NOT to my baby... if he had said ANYTHING hinky, she should have been... BS, give me the phone I'm calling LE.
2) Why, when LE's cadavar dogs was hitting on the car that the stepfather's mom owned, did they NOT arrest HER right away? WTF?

I bet you that this abuse was going on long before the night of this rape and murder. If Spears mother says "I hope it wasn't who I think it was" to local news, I wonder if she was talking about Collins. If so, I wonder if they truely did suspect that something was happening to Rowan before he moved out. Furthermore - I wonder if they KNEW that something was happening to poor Rowan and ignored it! Let's just AMUSE the stepdad and say that what he says was true - he knew that when Rowan was gone, Collin's had kidnapped her. So he went to the trailer, where Collin's was in the process of violating the child. That makes me think that EVERYONE in that damned house - MOM, STEPDAD - both knew that Collin's was probably habitually violating the child when he was in the house. How else did he know? How did he just "become enlightened??" Or at least, Spears KNEW that he (Collins) was at risk for doing so (kidnapping, raping - Rowan).
Then the Grandma - she knew what was going on too and is just playing blind. I don't believe a minute of her crap.
Let's just stick them all in jail.
Up until now I have been thinking that the mom is an innocent. I am starting to NOT feel that way as time is going on. I am starting to feel that maybe, just maybe, SHE HAD TO HAVE KNOWN THAT SOMETHING WAS GOING ON. ESPECIALLY IF COLLINS WAS LIVING IN THE HOUSE UNTIL RECENTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sorry, you can't live with two baby muderers and not know that something is seriously amiss. :furious:

Indy Gal
11-12-2007, 09:12 PM
IMOO, I wont blame the mom just yet. I know most will say this would never happen to my baby etc.. but the fact is you cant watch your children 24/7, sorry just not possible. For the time being, until LE says other, I feel for this woman. Again JMO

colomom
11-12-2007, 09:49 PM
I too have felt "uncomfortable" with Rowan's mom, I cannot pin it down, it is just there.

I have been deeply affected by this case. I have an 8 year old daughter. I have had a really hard time getting to sleep at night and find myself in tears at the thought of the suffering of sweet Rowan.

This is the exact point where my faith hits a brick wall. I cannot for the life of me understand how a loving God could let this happen to an innocent child. I also know that her case is one of many and that just makes it worse.

I think that demons can possess a soul, if we "allow" it to. I sense a demon in these perps, a nasty, brutal, repulsive demon. It scares me to death. It makes me think that anyone could be there, dancing with the devil. I have heard many times about mothers that "had no idea" that anything was going on as their daughter (or sons) were being brutalized. It makes me question my own husband, my children's biological father. Gitana1's post was spot on, profound and should be written in stone (IMO) (http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1786249&postcount=120). It breaks my heart that men cannot step up and take care of the children they bring into the world but then leave them at the mercy of animals. Single mothers are left alone, hungry and don't have the inner strength, resources or support necessary to stand up and protect their children at all costs. In order to provide a home and food for them, they are forced to intrust their children, sometimes to virtual strangers, sometimes to predators. We must support these mothers in all ways, in any way, to protect these innocent children. There are some deep fundamental changes that must take place in our society before we see an end to this brutality.

I have prayed for a touch on my heart. A touch that tells me that Rowan was not "there" that night, that she was mercifully taken away and was in the arms of an angel. I have begged God to bring me peace so that I can continue to put one foot in front of the other.

I became involved with WS because of Maddie and I honestly don't have the constitution for this. I don't want to read about these horrors. I would rather be ignorant. I cannot bear it, the pain is too great.

That said, I know that once the Maddie McCann case has reached it's finality, I will be gone from here. But, I have been profoundly changed.

Thanks for letting me vent and write this down, it is cathartic.

You are all wonderfully strong and determined people. We NEED you, we would perish without you.

~peace

Indy Gal
11-12-2007, 09:53 PM
(((((Heather)))):blowkiss: :blowkiss: Please stay after Maddie is done, you are so respected here, But do understand if you dont...

Ang50
11-12-2007, 09:55 PM
Why is it this case seems particularly awful? I've been thinking about this poor girl so much.

The way I see it - stepdad left a little girl home asleep to go drinking with buddies, buddy decides that little girl is home along and defenseless and he'll just kidnap and rape her, stepdad gets home - sees Rowan gone - knows where she is (probably b/c buddy talked about his plan anyway - otherwise how would you know?? Or worse - stepdad had already talked about previously abusing Rowan and buddy thought he could too) and stepdad goes to find Rowan. Except when he finds her, he joins in - figuring they'll make it all better by killing her.

Then - when his wife is crazy looking for her daughter, he's playing dumb. I really do want a few minutes alone with these guys and a waterboard.

raisincharlie
11-12-2007, 09:59 PM
IMOO, I wont blame the mom just yet. I know most will say this would never happen to my baby etc.. but the fact is you cant watch your children 24/7, sorry just not possible. For the time being, until LE says other, I feel for this woman. Again JMO

Seems to me, of the cases I have followed, there is always an element that happened prior to the event that could have have been viewed as a sign of something wrong. The question becomes, how good of a mind reader is each individual ?

The girl's Mother more than likely would have definitely prevented this if she had a thought it could have happened - I seriously doubt she wanted any of this. I'm not much for blame except for those arrested. If this Mother had some clue of the future - she will suffer dearly for it. Quess I don't understand this condemnation of the girl's Mother without a knowledge of the circumstances...seems petty to me.

Indy Gal
11-12-2007, 10:04 PM
Agreed!

colomom
11-12-2007, 10:07 PM
Seems to me, of the cases I have followed, there is always an element that happened prior to the event that could have have been viewed as a sign of something wrong. The question becomes, how good of a mind reader is each individual ?

The girl's Mother more than likely would have definitely prevented this if she had a thought it could have happened - I seriously doubt she wanted any of this. I'm not much for blame except for those arrested. If this Mother had some clue of the future - she will suffer dearly for it. Quess I don't understand this condemnation of the girl's Mother without a knowledge of the circumstances...seems petty to me.

raisincharlie,

it is not about condemnation, it's about fear.

If this mother (or any mother) cannot "see" the potential destruction of her child then none of us can and we are all potential victims, all of our children are at risk.

It is entirely human for us to question, to hope that maybe something else was going on, maybe there was duplicity.

None of us want to admit we are so at risk.

P.S. Thanks for the hug Indy....I needed that! :blowkiss:

Indy Gal
11-12-2007, 10:08 PM
If this mother (or any mother) cannot "see" the potential destruction of her child then none of us can and we are all potential victims, all of our children are at risk.
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IMO no one is safe from this happening...

Ang50
11-12-2007, 10:18 PM
raisincharlie,

it is not about condemnation, it's about fear.

If this mother (or any mother) cannot "see" the potential destruction of her child then none of us can and we are all potential victims, all of our children are at risk.

It is entirely human for us to question, to hope that maybe something else was going on, maybe there was duplicity.

None of us want to admit we are so at risk.

P.S. Thanks for the hug Indy....I needed that! :blowkiss:

Cognitive dissonance is the technical term for what you described. It happens a lot - it's why we ask what a rape victim was wearing or how much she drank - because we dress differently or don't get drunk. Or when a child is taken from their front yard - we automatically think that parent doesn't watch their child.

I will say that I would be rocked to my core if my husband was a pervert with children. And I simply could not believe it - and there would have to be some really overt signs because my mind would probably just be in disbelief. However, there have probably been other women that have felt just the same...

Indy Gal
11-12-2007, 10:26 PM
Cognitive dissonance is the technical term for what you described. It happens a lot - it's why we ask what a rape victim was wearing or how much she drank - because we dress differently or don't get drunk. Or when a child is taken from their front yard - we automatically think that parent doesn't watch their child.

I will say that I would be rocked to my core if my husband was a pervert with children. And I simply could not believe it - and there would have to be some really overt signs because my mind would probably just be in disbelief. However, there have probably been other women that have felt just the same...Great post!!! Sad but these days we have to watch all people around our children. My baby to be is going to live a very sheltered life due to this forum. We have to watch our husbands, Bfs, even our own dads and granddads. Sad world we live in now days.

believe09
11-12-2007, 10:34 PM
Oh, I think this crime was a while in the making as well-but I think it was planned...perhaps in part revenge for Collings being given the boot 2 months prior? Either because of Rowan and what she may have experienced with him, or because these two "boys" were separated. I think that Collings took Rowan in Spears car-that they knew they couldn't leave the house empty just in case Rowan's mom called, that Spears called his mom and said-I need your car, Collings has Rowan-answer the phone if xxx calls, will ya? And then off he went into the night to not only brutalize his stepdaughter, but to wrap the blind cord and pull it so tight she was lifted from the bed...(didn't I read that somewhere?) He convinced his wife not to call police as long as he could with his silly story of "she is at a friends and I don't know who". As soon as Mom found out that he had his mom sit, she gave him the boot because in her heart she knew he was involved...I do not cast blame on Rowan's mom until something says otherwise-she is going to spend every waking moment of her life playing "what if."

Ang50
11-12-2007, 10:38 PM
Great post!!! Sad but these days we have to watch all people around our children. My baby to be is going to live a very sheltered life due to this forum. We have to watch our husbands, Bfs, even our own dads and granddads. Sad world we live in now days.

It's also the reason that if hubby and I should ever get divorced - I won't remarry and will not have a man at the house if my kids are there. Too much risk and not worth it for me.

Indy Gal
11-12-2007, 10:39 PM
It's also the reason that if hubby and I should ever get divorced - I won't remarry and will not have a man at the house if my kids are there. Too much risk and not worth it for me.
totally agree!!!!

Reannan
11-12-2007, 11:09 PM
Ah, Colomom, I wish I could reach out and give you a hug! :blowkiss: I suspect there are a lot of us here that know exactly how you are feeling right now. I posted the other night that this case was going to give me a migraine....and it did. I got up to go to church yesterday morning, washed my hair, went to reach for the conditioner; and I couldn't see it. Sometimes, I get vision loss prior to a migraine - it comes back in about 30 minutes along with a Jimmi Hendrix style black-light show! I am just now recovering from the miserable headache I got. I also understand your questioning of God. Been there, done that. I don't want to hijack the thread, but HE answerd and got me through it. I think it is important that someone cares enough to be sick and ill over the evil that is responsible for this case and others like it. I know that there is a battle between good and evil in this world, and it is critical that someone cares. With all of that said, I also think there IS something a bit different about this case. Let's not confuse the fact that there are TWO mothers involved. Rowan's mother who was at work when the crime was committed, but didn't report her missing for hours upon returning home. Then there is Spears mother, who comes over in the middle of the night with a vehicle (which latter transported her little body), while she did God only knows what - EXCEPT check on Rowan. If there is another arrest in this case, it will be Spears mother. She should be held accountable, because she HAD to know something was going on. Rowan's mother is pathetic on many levels, but the more I read about Rowan's life leading up to this crime, the more upset I get with her mother. If my child got up to WALK to school and church that early every morning, I would be asking her and myself WHY. She HAD to know that Rowan was unhappy. Also, if you go to the adult daughter's website, she makes statements about being so unhappy at home, and glad to be away. Rowan's mother did not run a happy household. She was obviously not wealthy, and she was working to support herself, Rowan, and apparently several loosers. Money isn't necessary, however, to keep your home happy and safe - I know because I grew up in a poor household, that was relatively safe and happy. Anyone who had ever harmed me would have suffered the wrath of my Mother. I am certain Rowan suffered that night - how could she not? I am equally certain that Rowan is in a better place and those who brought this evil into her life will suffer for eternity beyond anything that we can imagine. Almost makes me want to go to Hell to watch them burn.

philamena
11-13-2007, 12:28 AM
So, instead of murdering the SOB for taking and raping his step daughter, he decided to join in?!? What a piece of *****!
Ditto! :furious::mad::furious::mad:

philamena
11-13-2007, 12:29 AM
I can't remember the last time I personally wanted to hurt someone as bad as I do these two animals. I also can't remember the last time I wanted someone to burn in Hell so bad.

Honey,
Don't forget Chester Stiles....:sick:

reb
11-13-2007, 01:14 AM
except 'patience' is alive and this one was brutally murdered, and tossed aside like trash....

raisincharlie
11-13-2007, 09:26 AM
A few interesting tidbits in this story:

http://www.neoshodailynews.com/articles/2007/11/12/news/01coroner.txt

David Spears told investigators he and a man named Nathan went to Wheaton to take Collings home, then went to buy more beer. The other man then took Spears back to the Spears home in Stella around midnight.

"David said he came in, checked Rowan's room and found she was gone," Copeland said. "He said he knew Chris had gotten her and taken her to his house. He got there, and Chris was raping her. He raped her too. Then they thought they would be in trouble, so they killed her and threw her in a hole."





According to the Newton County Coroner (former sheriff) Spears was riding around with him looking for Rowan. From the above it seems to me that at a minimum - David Spears knew of something that had happened in the past to make him think Collings had taken Rowan - or something was said earlier before they took Collings home. No other reason Spears would automatically think Collings had taken the girl. IMO

Interesting that Spears had a child of his own...

twinkiesmom
11-13-2007, 11:11 AM
IMO no one is safe from this happening...

I strongly disagree. Many of us are married to men of character who live lives of sobriety and dignity and would never behave in this fashion.

There is an element of our society that lead lives of chaos, fueled by alcohol, drugs, and porn. They drift in and out of friends homes. The women are not smart enough or sober enough to keep their children separate from these men. Adult male friends are treated like family...The children become an easy target when left alone in their care...The mothers are only too happy to get the free babysitting.

This is a crime that starts out by the perversion of the mind, and any instinctual disgust is overrun by lust and intoxication.

twinkiesmom
11-13-2007, 11:17 AM
A few interesting tidbits in this story:

http://www.neoshodailynews.com/articles/2007/11/12/news/01coroner.txt
According to the Newton County Coroner (former sheriff) Spears was riding around with him looking for Rowan. From the above it seems to me that at a minimum - David Spears knew of something that had happened in the past to make him think Collings had taken Rowan - or something was said earlier before they took Collings home. No other reason Spears would automatically think Collings had taken the girl. IMO

Interesting that Spears had a child of his own...

Alternatively, the first attack happened in Rowan's room (hence the sheet missing), and Spears knew exactly who took her and where and just needed Mom's car to dispose of the body (thereby no trace evidence or cadaver dogs hitting on his own car).

MagicRose99
11-13-2007, 11:42 AM
That story just doesn't make sense... they tooks Collings home and on the way back to Spears' stopped for beer... so, Collings decided to what... jump in his car, snatch Rowan and take her back to his trailer? All this before Spears made it back home? If Grandma was there watching over Rowan... what, she just let Collings take her?

KatK
11-13-2007, 11:56 AM
That story just doesn't make sense... they tooks Collings home and on the way back to Spears' stopped for beer... so, Collings decided to what... jump in his car, snatch Rowan and take her back to his trailer? All this before Spears made it back home? If Grandma was there watching over Rowan... what, she just let Collings take her?

Step-Grandma didn't go there until after the Step-Father arrived home (and apparently found Rowan missing). He called her after he'd been out drinking so he could borrow her car. It's pretty obvious that Rowan was missing by then.

Jodibug
11-13-2007, 12:12 PM
I think that this is one of the most disgusting cases that I've ever read about.


and so close to home, too. :(

raisincharlie
11-13-2007, 12:14 PM
Alternatively, the first attack happened in Rowan's room (hence the sheet missing), and Spears knew exactly who took her and where and just needed Mom's car to dispose of the body (thereby no trace evidence or cadaver dogs hitting on his own car).

I have been wondering why the sheet would be missing from her room because it simply does not appear to match up with this story. The alternative is Collings tied her up with it so he could transport her to his camper.

I am also wondering why Spears didn't tell his own mother Rowan was missing when he called to get her suburban - did he and Collings already have a plan ? Spears DL was revoked tdue to a DWI - no license but mommy lends him a vehicle anyhow? Did he tell his Mother he was going to get her because Collings took her- so she didn't bother to check on the little girl and his Mother knew when it was reported Rowan was missing that both Spears and Collings were up to no good and she said or did nothing ? Why wouldn't he just call the cops to accompany him to Collings' place if he suspected Collings took Rowan ?

The whole thing stinks - Spears cannot be believed I think.

STEADFAST
11-13-2007, 12:19 PM
I think it's suspicious that Spears must have been pretty confident that his mother would not check on Rowan, find out she was missing and call the police. I bet he told his mother that Rowan was spending the night with someone, and his mother didn't want to admit he'd said that when Rowan was finally reported missing.

Indy Gal
11-13-2007, 01:47 PM
I strongly disagree. Many of us are married to men of character who live lives of sobriety and dignity and would never behave in this fashion.
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I have read to many cases to think this way, IMOO Not always are drugs and booze the cases, but sick men and sick minds

ETA but you are right in a way some of us dont have to worry about our husbands. But withthat said there is always at least one bad guy everyone knows, IMOO. Do a search of how many SO there are and those are the ones registered. My point was you never know who is in your kids life who may harm them, unless you keep your child locked in their rooms 24/7. heck noadays the perps are in schools and are even the kids peers.

SeriouslySearching
11-13-2007, 01:51 PM
There was no reason for the step-grandmother to stay at the house other than to watch the child....but why would he bother to ask her to "sit" when she already thought he had left the child alone all evening anyway? I think I agree with the theory that she was left there in case the mother happened to call.

The step-grandmother has more information. She has to.

raisincharlie
11-13-2007, 02:02 PM
This article provides an explanation as to how Rowan was found - the time of the events.

However - page 2 of this article contains information concerning Rowan's condition when she was found

IT IS GRAPHIC and not pleasant - read at your own risk:

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_316202605.html


Both of these animals were arraigned this morning in Barry County. Both have plead Not Guilty but will be held in custody without bond, both are on suicide watch. Prelim date not yet set but forthcoming

Indy Gal
11-13-2007, 02:10 PM
IMO both men started it not just the one like they are saying. Why do I think so? Because why would the SD one come in and join in and then kill her and also why were her sheets gone. I think this started at her house and moved to the other mans house. Also it keeps stating it started at night and went in the morning, accourding to reports that doesnt fit with spears story of 130 going and finding her.

Reannan
11-13-2007, 02:23 PM
This story makes me have the taste of bile in my throat, and I really, really, need to see these two men suffer - terribly. I am so angry, so sick, and so sad for Rowan. God bless her little soul. I am going to be even more vigilant for future Rowan's.....they are out there as we speak.

SeriouslySearching
11-13-2007, 02:26 PM
I agree. This started at her home first then continued at the trailer. So where are the sheets now?

Swannie
11-13-2007, 04:02 PM
This article provides an explanation as to how Rowan was found - the time of the events.

However - page 2 of this article contains information concerning Rowan's condition when she was found

IT IS GRAPHIC and not pleasant - read at your own risk:

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_316202605.html

Both of these animals were arraigned this morning in Barry County. Both have plead Not Guilty but will be held in custody without bond, both are on suicide watch. Prelim date not yet set but forthcoming



http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071113/BREAKING01/71113026

OK, I've heard it all now. These men have pleaded NOT GUILTY!!! :behindbar So, does this mean a lengthy trial at our cost? What is this world coming to?! UGH!!

There is a lot of talk about how the Joplin Globe (link above in quote) has stepped over the line in detailing how Rowan Ford was found and the condition of her body. It is a graphic article; however, it is also the truth. What do you think? Should these details have been left out?


Swannie

raisincharlie
11-13-2007, 04:57 PM
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071113/BREAKING01/71113026

OK, I've heard it all now. These men have pleaded NOT GUILTY!!! :behindbar So, does this mean a lengthy trial at our cost? What is this world coming to?! UGH!!

There is a lot of talk about how the Joplin Globe (link above in quote) has stepped over the line in detailing how Rowan Ford was found and the condition of her body. It is a graphic article; however, it is also the truth. What do you think? Should these details have been left out?


Swannie

Personally, I think the Globe went a bit too far at this time- for one reason only - I don't want a slick defense lawyer to try and get a change of venue. I want this trial to stay in SW Mo. What the Globe printed is going to come out sooner or later...

arielilane
11-13-2007, 06:34 PM
I don't think they "crossed the line", the truth is the truth. Stuff was written about what happened to Jessica Lunsford and it didn't hurt the case any. It just makes people more angry than they already are and maybe more motived to get some laws changed.

believe09
11-13-2007, 07:05 PM
I am no prude, but there is no need to publish the details of the state she was found in. Not unlike on this board, we have to be mindful of the chance that someone from her family will read harsh, unedited statements. I don't need anyone drawing me a verbal picture of what happened to Rowan physically after she was raped by two adult men...it is a no brainer. It's bad enough they tossed her away because they were afraid they would "get in trouble." Please don't check their IQ's-I am fearful they won't meet the minimum required by the Supreme Court to be given the DP.

pedinurse
11-13-2007, 07:53 PM
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071113/BREAKING01/71113026

OK, I've heard it all now. These men have pleaded NOT GUILTY!!! :behindbar So, does this mean a lengthy trial at our cost? What is this world coming to?! UGH!!

There is a lot of talk about how the Joplin Globe (link above in quote) has stepped over the line in detailing how Rowan Ford was found and the condition of her body. It is a graphic article; however, it is also the truth. What do you think? Should these details have been left out?


Swannie
Good, now I am just WAITING for my turn to be called to jury duty!! ***eyes rolling***
i thought these jerks confessed? WTF? how can you confess then say not guilty?

Squishified
11-13-2007, 07:59 PM
I don't think they "crossed the line", the truth is the truth. Stuff was written about what happened to Jessica Lunsford and it didn't hurt the case any. It just makes people more angry than they already are and maybe more motived to get some laws changed.

I agree with you arielilane, but I can totally see where those who disagree are coming from.

coastallady
11-13-2007, 08:13 PM
IMO both men started it not just the one like they are saying. Why do I think so? Because why would the SD one come in and join in and then kill her and also why were her sheets gone. I think this started at her house and moved to the other mans house. Also it keeps stating it started at night and went in the morning, accourding to reports that doesnt fit with spears story of 130 going and finding her.

I think the two perverts started sexually abusing Rowan long before David called his mother to borrow the car. I think they got drunk started raping the child and had to call Mama to use her car in order to get all of them away from the house before Colleen arrived home. I bet he told his mama not to mentioned that Chris was around that evening or he may have been hiding outside with Rowan when mama arrived. I wonder if they checked Rowan's bed and I would be checking both sides of her mattress, floor and maybe the sofa for blood stains.jmo

golfmom
11-13-2007, 08:41 PM
There was no reason for the step-grandmother to stay at the house other than to watch the child....but why would he bother to ask her to "sit" when she already thought he had left the child alone all evening anyway? I think I agree with the theory that she was left there in case the mother happened to call.

The step-grandmother has more information. She has to.

I read that they do not anticpate charging anyone else at this time ... I really hope that they rethink that and look LONG & HARD at the step-grandmother. :mad:

Swannie
11-13-2007, 08:57 PM
Good, now I am just WAITING for my turn to be called to jury duty!! ***eyes rolling***
i thought these jerks confessed? WTF? how can you confess then say not guilty?

From what has been explained to me by my lawyer bud in KC, since they were not represented by a lawyer at their hearing today, each had to plead not guilty since it is the law. They have both asked for a public defender. Poor soul whoever gets appointed to this case.

Swannie

Swannie
11-13-2007, 09:00 PM
Personally, I think the Globe went a bit too far at this time- for one reason only - I don't want a slick defense lawyer to try and get a change of venue. I want this trial to stay in SW Mo. What the Globe printed is going to come out sooner or later...

I have a sinking feeling there will be a change of venue for their trials. Everyone around these parts are in an uproar, rightfully so. Seems as if the whole SW MO area has been affected by this madness. :(

Swannie

Swannie
11-13-2007, 09:03 PM
I read that they do not anticpate charging anyone else at this time ... I really hope that they rethink that and look LONG & HARD at the step-grandmother. :mad:

I agree, golfmom; however, I think they need to look long & hard at Rowan's mother as well. Something had to be wrong for Rowan to walk to school so early in the morning and to church whenever she did. Seriously!!

I heard Colleen willingly took a lie detector test. I wonder what the outcome of it was??

Swannie

pedinurse
11-13-2007, 09:21 PM
I agree, golfmom; however, I think they need to look long & hard at Rowan's mother as well. Something had to be wrong for Rowan to walk to school so early in the morning and to church whenever she did. Seriously!!

I heard Colleen willingly took a lie detector test. I wonder what the outcome of it was??

Swannie
I think that it is SERIOUS bullsh!$ that they are not going to charge the stepgrandmother in this! She had to have known what was going on!

Reannan
11-13-2007, 10:11 PM
The step-grandmother is either lying or she is an idiot. I think she is lying.

Swannie
11-13-2007, 10:32 PM
Ok, I found the link regarding Colleen taking a lie detector test. Here:
http://www.ky3.com/news/local/11121476.html?video=pop&t=a

Perhaps this third person (who has the vehicle with the Arkansas license plates / the other man that went drinking with Spears and Collings) is involved as well?? Hmmm...

Rowan's bio-father has never been around her. Sad. I wonder if he has been contacted about her death?

Maybe Colleen really didn't know anything or chose to overlook the warning signs (Rowan walking to school at 6:30AM when class doesn't start until 8AM, walking to church early).

Has no one thought to question the step-grandmother yet? Geez. Yes, I am frustrated. :furious:

Swannie

KatK
11-13-2007, 11:13 PM
Could it be she was walking to school to arrive early enough to eat breakfast there, and maybe play with friends? Breakfast and lunch are sometimes the only hot meals poor children get. :(

raisincharlie
11-14-2007, 12:02 AM
Could it be she was walking to school to arrive early enough to eat breakfast there, and maybe play with friends? Breakfast and lunch are sometimes the only hot meals poor children get. :(


This is possible KatK.

In a follow up - we will have to see where this leads:

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/11250846.html


"The East Newton School District superintendent confirmed that someone from the district made a hotline call about Rowan and that the district followed procedures required for mandated reporters.

KSPR has filed an open records request with the state for the file on Rowan Ford.

Today, the Department of Social Services would not confirm or deny Rowan having a file.

The state has 3 days to respond, but could still turn down our open-records request."

raisincharlie
11-14-2007, 12:08 AM
I agree, golfmom; however, I think they need to look long & hard at Rowan's mother as well. Something had to be wrong for Rowan to walk to school so early in the morning and to church whenever she did. Seriously!!

I heard Colleen willingly took a lie detector test. I wonder what the outcome of it was??

Swannie

I think the outcome is obvious - Colleen is not in jail and Sheriff Copeland has been quoted as saying she was never a suspect.

Filly
11-14-2007, 12:54 AM
Oh, my heart is breaking for this little girls sister. The dynamics in that "family" could lend to this poor kid not knowing her sister was being sexually abused. Perhaps it happened to her. I mean no matter she's a teenager and she has had her little sister taken from her. Here's what struck me as weird. In the world of myspace wouldn't it serve to have your husband as your immediate friend on there? THEN the guy who had been living with you. Hate to say it, but I so am hoping there was not anything going on with Mrs. Chris Spears and Collings. The entire thing is very, very sad. I hope the sister of Rowan will get some professional help of some kind. She must be devastated.

philamena
11-14-2007, 02:00 AM
I think that it is SERIOUS bullsh!$ that they are not going to charge the stepgrandmother in this! She had to have known what was going on!
Darn right. She SHOULD by all accounts be charged.

Ang50
11-14-2007, 02:45 PM
I have a sinking feeling there will be a change of venue for their trials. Everyone around these parts are in an uproar, rightfully so. Seems as if the whole SW MO area has been affected by this madness. :(

Swannie

Swannie -

I wouldn't worry much about a change of venue. These cases won't go to trial. My prediction is that the DA will get a life in prison sentence for both in exchange for avoiding the DP. Plus, they'll both have incentive to plea. Whoever doesn't take a deal will likely have the other on the stand testifying against him. That would not be good for the defendant.

Sabal
11-14-2007, 04:07 PM
This article confirms that the school placed a hotline call to family services about Rowan; doesn't say when it was done.

http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_318140946.html

Sabal
11-14-2007, 04:37 PM
http://www.clarkfuneralhomes.com/sitemaker/sites/clarkf0/obit.cgi?user=colleenspears

raisincharlie
11-14-2007, 08:05 PM
For Rowan - it is her favorite:

http://www.homestead.com/deecross/ruggedcross.html

Sabal
11-14-2007, 10:50 PM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/361276.html

pedinurse
11-15-2007, 01:37 AM
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/361276.html

You know... not to start a religious debate... but you know Rowan was religious. Showing up like she did to church. Finding refuge there from her crappy home.
Makes you wonder where God was when those horrible things were happening to her. :( Poor Rowan. It just makes me ask why?

philamena
11-15-2007, 01:48 AM
You know... not to start a religious debate... but you know Rowan was religious. Showing up like she did to church. Finding refuge there from her crappy home.
Makes you wonder where God was when those horrible things were happening to her. :( Poor Rowan. It just makes me ask why?

I don't think that question will start a debate pedinurse. It won't with me anyway. I said the very same thing earlier today when I read about Rowan and how religious she was. I know I shouldn't question God's presence, but I did. Where was he when this nasty, horrible, demented thing happen to her? :(:(:(

indigomood
11-15-2007, 01:58 AM
http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071113/BREAKING01/71113026

OK, I've heard it all now. These men have pleaded NOT GUILTY!!! :behindbar So, does this mean a lengthy trial at our cost? What is this world coming to?! UGH!!

There is a lot of talk about how the Joplin Globe (link above in quote) has stepped over the line in detailing how Rowan Ford was found and the condition of her body. It is a graphic article; however, it is also the truth. What do you think? Should these details have been left out?


Swannie
At the risk of sounding prudish, I felt it was in poor taste. Not because I am a prude, I assure you I am not, but because I felt it diminished Rowan's dignity.

Most reasonable adults should be able to deduce the ravages and the trauma inflicted when two adult males (animals) forcibly rape a young child.

It was unnecessary and salacious, IMO. Rowan and her family deserved better.

KansasCutie
11-15-2007, 02:08 AM
I think they definitely could have left the blood running down her legs part out. Kids at her school wouldnt understand that & i think its a little disrespectful to Rowan herself.

twinkiesmom
11-15-2007, 10:47 AM
You know... not to start a religious debate... but you know Rowan was religious. Showing up like she did to church. Finding refuge there from her crappy home.
Makes you wonder where God was when those horrible things were happening to her. :( Poor Rowan. It just makes me ask why?

I disagree with the pastor's premise that we're supposed to set aside our anger because Satan wins. It is righteous anger and properly focused (protecting the next kid rather than stringing up these two wastes of skin) it is entirely Godly anger. Jesus himself physically tossed out the money lenders out of the temple...I can't imagine Him being less angry at these two.

SewingDeb
11-15-2007, 11:27 AM
I disagree with the pastor's premise that we're supposed to set aside our anger because Satan wins. It is righteous anger and properly focused (protecting the next kid rather than stringing up these two wastes of skin) it is entirely Godly anger. Jesus himself physically tossed out the money lenders out of the temple...I can't imagine Him being less angry at these two.

Amen twinkiesmom. The bible speaks about those who harm the little ones.

Swannie
11-15-2007, 07:13 PM
This is possible KatK.

In a follow up - we will have to see where this leads:

http://www.kspr.com/news/local/11250846.html


"The East Newton School District superintendent confirmed that someone from the district made a hotline call about Rowan and that the district followed procedures required for mandated reporters.

KSPR has filed an open records request with the state for the file on Rowan Ford.

Today, the Department of Social Services would not confirm or deny Rowan having a file.

The state has 3 days to respond, but could still turn down our open-records request."

I am watching the 5PM news on KOLR10. Apparently, there were two incidents in which phone calls were placed to the DSS regarding Rowan. One in 2000 for neglect (when she and her mother were living in Neosho - Spears was not in the picture) and another in 2006 for chronic lice (when they lived in Stella and Spears was in the picture). Once the link is up online, I will edit to add to this post.

Here is the link: http://ozarksfirst.com/content/fulltext/?cid=14109


Swannie

raisincharlie
11-15-2007, 07:33 PM
I am watching the 5PM news on KOLR10. Apparently, there were two incidents in which phone calls were placed to the DSS regarding Rowan. One in 2000 for neglect (when she and her mother were living in Neosho - Spears was not in the picture) and another in 2006 for chronic lice (when they lived in Stella and Spears was in the picture). Once the link is up online, I will edit to add to this post.

Swannie

Same report on KY 3 - all complaints related to hygene and concluded that none of the children of Colleen Spears were in any danger.


http://www.kspr.com/news/local/11384626.html



A case investigator visited Rowan's school and spoke with Triway Elementary's school nurse. The nurse indicated that Rowan was sent home at least every month with lice problems and contact had been made with Rowan's parents to correct the problem.

At one point Rowan was asked several questions. The investigator wrote: "Ms. Ford came and say down. I observed her to be quite and shy. She explained where she lived in Stella and said her mom has fix her head lice problem. She told me who her mother was and that she worked at Wal-Mart. I asked if she had a sister and she said yes, but she is at home today...I observed this little girl to be dressed appropriately to the weather conditions outside."

pedinurse
11-15-2007, 11:14 PM
How sad. Poor Rowan.

pedinurse
11-15-2007, 11:22 PM
I disagree with the pastor's premise that we're supposed to set aside our anger because Satan wins. It is righteous anger and properly focused (protecting the next kid rather than stringing up these two wastes of skin) it is entirely Godly anger. Jesus himself physically tossed out the money lenders out of the temple...I can't imagine Him being less angry at these two.

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!

makes me kind of want to :slap: that minister a bit. but i guess he was trying to make poor little Rowan's funeral a nice one rather one a grevious one. looking at the entire article as a whole.
i have been to funerals where the funeral is a sad, mournful one. and i have been to ones where the funeral is like, in a way, a celebration. the people there are sad, but in a way... they are happy. they miss their loved one, but they know that their loved one is in a better place, and that their loved one was looking forward to going there. maybe that was what he was getting at.
but i am sorry, there is no way to get around having a mournful funeral at the burial of a 9 year old child who was put to death in such a horrendous manner. and to say "try to put aside your anger at the murders" - THAT is the wrong thing to say to a group of people who are in shock. especially the mother and family of that baby!

raisincharlie
11-16-2007, 01:34 PM
I have no problem with a pastor asking for anyone to remove hate and anger from their minds and lives. Might actually help stop a lot of things. For me, what the pastor said was exactly what I needed to hear - to make me stop thinking the mean things I was thinking - otherwise the anger was going to eat me alive.

The service was meant to honor a dear sweet little girl not speak of or think of the two monsters who took her life. More than appropriate...